From Insecurity to Freedom – It Was All God | Sadie Robertson Huff & Indi Kent

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It's Indie Kent all the way from England. Welcome to Louisiana again. I know come on, I talk to him one year. I love it here. It reminds me of where I grew up, really.

Everyone hates on the small town, but I'm for it. I'm so for it. Yeah, people come here and they have, you know, they're like, "Why do you live here?" I'm like, "No, you're missing the magic sauce. This is where everyone lives around the corner." Yesterday, I actually went to Hobby Lobby, and I had a hat on, and I was like, "Call my husband and just talk to me. I see way too many people. I know."

“I mean, that sounds terrible, but you know how it is. That's just small town, the blessing of it. I think you see so many people you know everywhere you go.”

On a bad day, you're like, "I don't want to see anyone. Everyone knows my business." So funny. Okay, so tell us a little bit about where you grew up because it is a little different than here. It is. Yeah, so I grew up in the UK in a tiny little village. And my mom has five siblings. My dad has four, and so like one of five, one of four, and so there's a lot of cousins and everyone lives in the same village. So still to this day, everyone lives in this tiny village. It's really similar to us. Yes, and my grandpa led the local church. Wow. So we were all at the same church. We all went to the same primary schools and like, was in the same friendship groups and just grew up walking around to each other's houses.

And what's crazy as well is that my dad was his musician, he was in a band, and he was in a band with all of my uncles. And so we also traveled together. When the band would go travel and go on to a bus, like, bus, tour bus life. That was like my childhood. And so that was me and all my cousins. So we all lived in this tiny village. Wow. Yeah, we were all traveling like all over the world, but then you just come home and you're like, no one like no one cares here, so that's your father. And so yeah, it was the best, but family has always been like so cool to like who our values and who we are. It's like even just as of my family, but like this so many of us, it's just always been like so ingrained in us.

That's so cool for me. And y'all, they're six of y'all siblings. Like we had so much in common when we first crazy. I'm much rich. We'll get to and how we met, but I was like, oh, our lives are so similar. And it's so cool when you meet someone who lives like in a completely different part of the world. And you have so many similarities. It's like six kids and the tour bus life and, you know, you're kind of going around in the world, but then you come back to this like really quiet small town. We're no one cares you know in the best way.

He was a man called Delirius, which was kind of like 90s 2000s era.

And they were a Christian rock band that that traveled around. And then yeah, I was all my uncles in the band, which is hilarious. So it was just all family. But it started from like hosting youth events in this village. That's true. Yeah, it grew from like, yeah, literally the local youth group, which is so cool. That's crazy. How old were you? I wasn't born when it started. Yeah, so I think my it was before my oldest sister Ellie was born. So she's 28 now.

“Wow. And so yeah, it ran for like 17 years. And that's why we just got to, we just got to travel world.”

It was honestly that the world is chartered to like be chatting with your mates.

And they're like, what are you doing for this summer? And I'm like, I'm going to every state in America. It's crazy. But for a day. Yeah, it's not like I'm traveling the world. I've seen a car park of an event. And I'm going to get there. But yeah, like it's not traveling the world. But it was yeah, it was the wildest childhood seeing people like experience.

Jesus in so many different ways, like around the world, everyone does it and experiences him in such different ways to do with their culture. It was, yeah, not to be able to see to see that. And once you see something like that, you're just like, I don't think I could ever deny him that well. I was just like, he is so real. And I just got to see his realness everywhere. And it was like, you guys don't know what these guys are doing, but yeah, you're somehow on the same page. Wow. And then you will speak in a different language, but you're all kind of saying the same thing, but in another language. I'm like, well, I'm only God family have to do this. Yeah, that's so cool.

It's, it's so cool. A lot of people had told me about your family before I met you all in the context of people would say, like, oh, you got to meet.

“And because she's doing so many similar things as you, but in the UK, or you need to meet Martin Smith because he has the purest heart and the way they lead their family and Anna.”

Because, you know, we're about to step into going on a little bit of a tour. And I used to tour before I had kids and before I got married, but then whenever I got married, I was like, oh, that feels a little crazy to do with our family. And it's just like new territory and they're like, no, you need to meet Anna and then you need to ask them all their advice because they people would say they're like the fun family on the road. That's actually like pure hearted. You know what I mean? Like, it's the bus you want to be on, but it's like wholesome. Yeah, I'm like, they just bring all the kids and they love Jesus so much and it just gave me so much hope that okay.

And I know other people do that. Do you like carrying Cody? Oh, yeah, I'm doing an incredible job with that and Carrie's actually the one that told me about you and likewise as well. She was like, you've got to meet Katie, I was like, okay, one day. She got to see her. Um, but I just heard such wonderful things and so, you know, to know you now and to hear your experience and your stories like, I hope that, you know, one day honey is telling somebody like, we'd like to see God. The crazy is the ways and he's so real and you can't deny him. And like, of course, that is the reality that he is so real. We're seeing it. But so many times, I think like people get so jaded, you know, and people can do things for the wrong reasons.

To be around so many like minded, purehearted people like everyone I know. Truly, I'm thinking of like, all the people we found this podcast people that I know who are doing like pure heart. So we have great leaders in the world right now.

And thankful for that and your family certainly is that. So I mentioned how we met. So Carrie actually told me she's like, you got to meet this girl. She's amazing. She's doing these pink letters.

It reminds me so much of your heart, like you just need to meet her. And then we happened to be going to London with our family.

“And I think I DMed you, yeah. I just see.”

I was like, hey, I've heard a lot about you, you know, all the stuff we should meet. I didn't realize like how far you lived from London. And you're like, yeah, let's have breakfast. I felt so bad. We even met in the morning. And then I, I was like, I am going like no matter what it takes. I'm coming because you haven't even get there. Was it like, I just got the train. The train. Yeah. That that was so cool. Like, yeah, it's just on the train this morning. And I popped out over as like, we, how long was that?

No, honestly, I mean, where I live is kind of like a commuter town for people who work in London. So that's still I was like, I'm seeing this girl like crazy. And we had like the best conversation. I literally didn't even realize how much time had passed. And then all the sudden member Christian shows up with the girls. He's like, let's go.

And then everything you were saying, I was like, yes, I want to champion that. Like, I want to be a part of it in any way. I can't. I want to shout that out to the world.

“And you were vice versa. You're like, hello, sister seems amazing. I want to come to conference. And then you and your mom and your sister ended up coming to conference. And it was the biggest blessing.”

I love to tell you this story a little bit because you wrote this in the card because you had like prayed about coming. Yes, there's something before we even met. This is not I at the beginning of this year. I was just like, I would have so many dreams this year. And so I just drew them out. And I just did like a picture journal. And I like drew all the things that I would love to see. And you know when you're like, these are sometimes like God things. It's like God's if this is in your world, but also like some of them were like cute little like.

Yeah, if that happens, that would be so funny.

And so I drew a ticket of the L.O. conference because me and my sister every year were like, we've got to go like one day. We've just got to do it like it looks so fine. And just we've watched you from afar. And we're just like the sky is so legit. Like we just got to like see what she's doing over there.

“And so yeah, I drew a tiny little like a L.O. ticket. And then it's before we met before we met before all this literally. And then yeah, it was actually we met in February.”

So it happens so quickly. And then that is crazy. So I decided to shout out God for that and dream journals because I love that too. I've done at the beginning of your like kind of vision for the year. And this would be so cool for this happen. And so many of those God has done. And it just increases your faith because you're like, oh, like you didn't even have to do that. That was just a fun thing. But you did it. He's so kind of just like the sweetest gift. So my dad would know that.

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And I, I was one of the only Christians in my school. So that was like super tough in itself, but just the like amount of stuff I had to go through as a teenage go. And like I don't, I don't think my experience was like anything extra. Like I just think I probably had the baseline of what girls go through at school. Plus being a Christian, which is, you know, already made me stand out in my school. I speak to that a little bit because as you know, in the UK, like if it's not such a common thing to basically say you're a Christian, if you're not like practicing following Jesus and like committing your life.

So like yeah, in the UK, if you say you're Christian, you're like you're going for it. It's a lot of things to say at kind of a negative.

And you didn't really know a lot of Christians in your high school.

“No, I was literally, yeah, I think I was one of the only Christians in my, yeah, in my school, which was, was really hard.”

And so I just found, I mean, I was one of the only girls that wasn't experiencing anxiety or panic attacks or self harm. And it was just so hard to be, to see and also see how just the world wasn't like, like, wasn't aware of what was going on. It felt like none of my youth leaders understood what was actually getting spoken about. Like, what guys were actually saying about girls, that's like really hard to repeat,

but we should be repeating this is what's going on at all. How people speak about your body and the things that are supposed to be jokes and like,

how, yeah, how much just happened and I just also was probably one of the first kind of

generation to have phones at schools, which now I think they're like kind of retracting, but it was a free for all when I was in school and so social media in school, Snapchat and the toilet, it's like, well, the bathroom, sorry. Wow. So it was, it was so much.

And I remember when I left school, I was like, I could not think of what going back like, that was so hard. I would cry so much going in school and trying to be so strong in my faith and be bold and like, I'd get grilled about my faith and what I believed. And it was so testing for my faith.

“But I remember just leaving and thinking, I just do not want to go back like, that was so hard.”

What if if you can remember like some of the things specifically that felt so hard because I have filled the same way. High school was brutal and Snapchat was awful. And Twitter was just absolutely worse than like it was just so mean.

Snapchat was so inappropriate.

Twitter was so mean and cruel. And Instagram wasn't even like, that wasn't even the big thing. Instagram I felt for us was kind of like, I just post whatever I wanted. It was really matter. Like it's not what it is now.

Yeah. But that was so hard. I feel like girls are awful. And guys were very inappropriate. I remember all that.

Like you're taking me back to as your family. I forgot. But when you mentioned Snapchat. Yeah. Oh yeah.

That was rough.

And things guys were saying like, I know.

It was bad. But obviously, it's probably gotten a little worse because social media is only. Ramped up. Yeah. And just an appropriateness.

“But what are some of those feelings that you remember having?”

Like when you say like baseline high school girl struggle. What does that look like? I mean, I I remember and like I went to a nice school. So I don't want to paint this picture. Like I went to a lovely school.

Yeah. But I remember I would be sitting in class. And do you guys have like the pair of compasses? You know, it's like you draw a perfect circle with the. They're like tool that helps you draw a perfect circle.

Really? It can pair of compasses. But it has a needle on the end of it. Because you stamp it in the paper. And then you can like make a.

Yeah. I was sitting next to a girl who was sitting her wrists with the needle. Oh my gosh. And then I would be in piano. And I would see scars up my friends arms.

Wow. Because they would be playing the piano. And that's what it is. Wow. And I remember going into the toilets to the bathroom.

And like hearing crying in the corner. And one of my friends had gone to a clinic and got on a portion. Wow. And like this is that that is the reality. Like it is so hard to get your head around that young girls are going through all of these things.

But that is my experience. And that was like still, you know, six, seven years ago now. And so. There was just so much that also you keep. To yourself because you.

There's just not really much room to bring that out to the table. Especially if it's not your. You know, your own personal experience. You know, where do I process that? Where do I bring that out?

You know, if my use of eat is on quite aware of, you know, what's going on. Like it's something that's a hard thing to talk about. But also like. God has saying just like so much stuff about your body. Like when you said that, I remember like I specifically have this memory of needing to get up

to get a tissue and not wanting to get up. Because I knew what certain guys would say literally just from me walking.

Yeah.

And I was like, man, that's crazy.

Like, yeah, I had forgotten how that made you feel. You know, and I remember like as a girl, you're kind of trying to walk that line of like, you know, that's inappropriate and you know that's wrong. But then you're in high school. So like you want the attention.

And it's like, no, but that's not right. Yeah.

“But if that's what guys want, like you're, yeah, the testing of your faith.”

Yeah. Am I going to dress this way? Because then guys will notice me more. But do I really want that from guys? Do I want them to notice me like that?

But then in my, you know, that's, that's a hard thing. Yeah. I know it's so true. Even you say that I remember like making a choice that I wasn't going to roll my scarf. Mm-hmm.

We wore like school skirts because we in the UK have uniforms. And it was like a killed. Um, every girl would roll their scarf and I was like, that is one thing. Like that. I'm not going to fall.

I'm not going to fall to that.

I'm not going to, I don't need to do that. But there's something so like fun about that. I'll just like, just a little one. But I'm like, no, okay. Like, what is my thing that I really believe in?

And yeah, it is, I mean, but then it's hard. Because in the same breath, there's also some really funny. I have some funny memories. I remember this guy. I remember this.

I was pretty, you know, when it's like little buds, you know, let's be honest. There's like, there's nothing there. But I remember a guy coming up to me and being like, indie. If you didn't have feet, would you? Where's your socks?

And I was like, no, it probably not. It's like, well, why do you wear a bra then? Oh my god. Wait, that's actually kind of funny. What was your definition here?

I was like, okay. Like, that is like the funny part of it. You kind of have to laugh as well. We're just like, there are moments. There's really tough moments.

But then there's also moments. Like, okay, we are routine ages. And like, we're all figuring this out together. And it's kind of, there are moments for you. Yeah.

Oh, I love that. You said it because, yes, there's so many funny moments.

“And when I think back, although I was like,”

I was strong in my faith. I also really struggle with that. I was thinking about the rest of that was. Now I'm like, I'm more confident to make those decisions. But back, like the other day, I put on my little leggings.

And I had like a cropped jacket. And then right before I left the house, like, I got this house on the mirror. I was like, I shouldn't wear this. Like, this is not a joke.

I was like, it's literally said to Christian. I said, I look so much cuter with this crop jacket. Yeah. But I'm going to go back in there. And I'm going to put on a bigger, well done.

It's not sure. And I was like, and it's frustrating because I look like. Yeah, I'm like, you're in this. But that's to me. I actually do not want a man to look at me.

And appropriately. And so I'm not going to do that. Yeah. You know, and, you know, people can argue that. I'll be like, well, man, needable.

I'm like, okay, yes.

“But also, like, I can respect myself in this way.”

I don't want that unwanted attention. Yeah. So if I'm home, I'll wear the crop jacket. And look how cute from my husband. But I don't need to like wear this to academy to get my hunting gear.

Well, I'm about to be around a bunch of men. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. You know, it's so true. It's just like I've grown in that where it does.

Like, it's okay. I don't have to look that way. But I'm also a married now. So I feel more confident when you're in high school. It's like, it's all.

I don't want that attention. But then I kind of do like that my flesh is telling me. I do. But I know that's actually not right. You know.

And so I empathize thinking back to high school. It's easier now to say that and laugh about it. It's really hard when you're in it. And so many college girls and high school girls are listening to this podcast. And going like, wow, you see me.

And I love what you're saying about like the youth pastor and not speaking to that. Because I was in church a whole time.

And no one, I never heard, you know, the youth pastor really like.

Yeah. Speaking to that problem necessarily. Like, we talk about modesty. We talk about that. But like, can we talk about just the flesh, you know,

wanting and desire and something and how to die to self and how to, you know, you know, you know, push back that flesh and really invite the fruits of the spirit in. And how to trust that God sees even has you in those moments. Like, it's just a deeper conversation to be had. Yeah.

So I just I love what you're saying. And I know where we're. I know we're going around about way to tell the story. But no, no, I like love that. It needs to be said.

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And it was all the same stuff. It was like a repeat. Just like the same trouble, the same struggles with hot and cold friends. Like one day on my friend, one day on the hold on, like explain that. So many different things that they would then go through.

And it was like, I was, it was like a mirror holding up to my face. I'm like, oh my gosh, I know so well what this is like for them. The reality was so hard to like face. And then I just was really struggling.

“I was like, why, why, how can I do something that would just like help?”

I can't solve every problem. Like, I can't, I am not the savior, you know, I can't save them. But what can I do that's in my hands that could just help my little sisters? And I was talking to my little sister Ruby. And I said to her, like, what can I do here?

Like, how can I help you? Like, I just feel so frustrated at this problem. And I just don't know what to do. And she said, do you know what? Because you just write me a letter of like everything you'd love to tell your younger self.

I was like, I think I can do that. Like, I can buy some paper. I can buy some envelopes. I can buy some stamps. And so I then was a local youth leader.

I think you said a yoga. Yoga leader. And I was a local youth group leader.

“And so I was like, I wonder if the girls in that group would like one to.”

And so I basically made a Google form so sketchy now looking back to it.

I was like, I was 18. And I put it out on Instagram. And I just said, if there is any girls in the ages of 11 to 18, that would love some encouragement every month. I would love to send you a letter.

And share everything I would like to tell my younger self not to do. You want to do or how to navigate certain situations. And just encourage you in this in this time. And that day I was just not expecting it at all. But I had like hundreds of sign-ups.

And I was like, this is so needed. Like there's so many girls looking for encouragement in this time in this season. I was just looking for help and guidance that someone who just understands. And so I went out and I got pink paper and pink envelopes. Because I was like, that's fun and girly.

And so that's where pink letters came from. So cool. And yeah, it was so fun. I just started writing very simple letters. And it gets addressed to the girl, which is so beautiful.

So like the name gets inputted into the letter. And what started to happen was these girls would get these letters. And they would just start plastering them on their bedroom walls or in lockers. And there's this one story I love, which is this mom was cleaning out this her daughter's blazer at the end of the school year. And she was like emptying out all the pockets to put it in the washing machine.

And she found one of these pink letters in the inside pocket. And she asked her daughter like, what is this? And her daughter said, oh, that's like, that's a pink letter and inside the letter. It says that if I need to remind myself who I am and the truth of who I am, go in and read this and go into the bathrooms and read this.

And I'd basically take in scripture and put it into this letter.

And so this girl had opened as letters so many times. And read this truth over herself in the school cubicle toilet cubicle.

And this mom was like, I just have to tell you, like, this is what's going on. And so that was wild for me to see. But then also the fact that this truth is living on bedroom walls. And so then now we, my husband's a designer. And he designs the back cover of it.

And so we make a poster on the back of kind of what the letter's about. And so now there's like posters. So what was magazine covers is now I pray is truth, you know, on like on girls bedroom walls. So yeah, that's and now yeah, just those had the pink letters all over Ella conference. Yes.

All in the bathrooms and they're so cute. Like the little design for them is so cute and I'll be like, God, see you. You are love. Oh, hey girl. They're so fun.

Like, but then they carry so much depth and so much truth. And I love how God has just taken this simple thing.

Because I always tell people, like, use what you have.

Like what's in your hands. Right. Practical story of like you going. What can I do for my sister? I mean, it's the ultimate sister in friend moment.

Like what can I do for my sister? Can you write me a letter? Yes. I could probably do this for some more people to local youth group. Can you write me a letter?

Yes. Now it's multiply. But like you didn't do it for it to reach the world. You did it to reach your sister.

“And I think that like more people had the heart.”

What can I do for my sister? It'll be amazing how that can touch the world. And I think so many times like we're thinking too like of the world. That we miss like the sister moment. And like that is where the magic's at.

Like that's where God really gives you the heart of like what to speak to.

Because I think of even for me.

Whenever I started live original, I had written the book. But I hadn't spoke or done anything like that. And I was like exact same thing. I was struggling in high school was insecure. Everybody knew it was insecure.

Everybody I knew struggled with body image. Everyone I knew struggled with the whole guy thing. Like it was just hard. And I was tired of it. I was like, why is this so like why is this so normal?

Yeah. And why is this just become okay? It's almost like we expect to struggle with those things. Yeah. I expected to be like that.

So it's not even like something that you talk about. The bad thing is what it is. Yeah. I think that's what it is. And at the time I was also feeling a lot of.

I think guilt. Wow.

Because a lot of people would.

This was when goals was a thing like your goals. And like I would post pictures and just like goals goals goals. But I was like so insecure. Wow. So I felt this like guilt of like people think I'm confident.

And I'm not. Yeah. And people think like this images of the goal. But I actually really struggle. And so.

Anyways, I had just like gotten out of the shower. My hair was like, well, I had no makeup on. I had, I think I had like a drama's on. And I talked about sketch. This is so sketch.

I turned on eye movie.

“That's the only thing I had on my computer.”

And like. And it was like literally curtains. And it said three, two, one of the curtains came off. And I was like, hey, I'm sitting in a proper sit. Oh, my goodness.

I didn't even have a YouTube channel. I didn't even do this. I just was like, I'm just going to do this for me. Yeah. Because I just want to have this.

And for my sister. Literally a little sister. And so I make this video. And I'm like. And God looks.

You know, I talk about how I manage it. The awkward difference. I got like to the heart. And I like talking about the heart. And I'm about how I'm insecure.

And I was like, this is what. Now I wouldn't do this because I feel like I'm more aware of like sharing body size. Like what you wear. But I went through the sizes that I was. And I said, and I'm insecure.

And I struggle. And like because I remember at the time. I was doing a little bit of modeling. And I realized like every one of the models was tiny. But they were insecure.

And they were like still striving for something else. And I kind of was me saying, like, I'm not going to keep like waiting until I get to a certain thing to become. And I like, I'm just going to be confident now. And I'm going to live original.

So I do this message of live original. My sister gets back from youth group.

“She walks around and she's like, what are you doing?”

And I'm like, I just made this little video. Yeah. And I just really made it for me. And if you think like it should go and out like you tell me. Or if this is like cringy.

And I don't even know if we use the word cringy. But I was like, if this is like not cool, then like tell me. Oh my gosh. You can count on me your younger sister. I know.

I like that one too as well. That's the scariest person to show something to you. And so Bella Washington. She was like, this is really good. And this is actually really helpful.

And so she helped me make a YouTube channel. And I posted the video on YouTube. And to this day, it's my biggest video ever posted on YouTube.

I've done this for like what 10 years. Something has beat that. No. Maybe our wedding video. Okay.

I don't even think our wedding video beat it. And it was crazy because right after I posted it, Good morning, America. Literally called and had me on the show to talk about the video. Wow.

Because it was so vulnerable. And so at the time, like now we see people do stuff like that. That wasn't like you didn't just get on and just share your biggest and security with no makeup on. You know, that just wasn't a thing.

And it was so contrast to what was out there on social media. And I was talking about faith and Jesus. So good morning, America had me on. I had to tell the story of live original. And that kick started everything I'm doing.

But again, it was for my sister. It was for me.

“And so I think that you do have to simplify.”

Like, what's in your hand? What's in your heart? What's the need around you? Yeah. I heard a girl yesterday.

She. It was so crazy. She's one of our yellow local ambassadors now. And I was just.

I thought I was meeting her for the first time.

And so I was, you know, hey, tell me your story. Like how'd you get involved being an ambassador? Because we were meeting all of our local ambassadors. And she said, um, actually we met a few years ago in a coffee shop. I go, oh my gosh, I remember.

And I said, you asked me like a really specific question. Didn't you? She was like, yeah, she's like, I actually came up to you. And I said, I want to do what you're doing. How do I start?

And she said, you said to me, um, well, if you're looking at my life and you're thinking it's a stage or thinking it's a podcast, whatever. She's like, I said to her, don't think like that. Start with where you're at with what you have. And she said when you said that, I was like, duh.

And so she was like, I started to look for local things to get involved with Bible studies and stuff. And then one thing led to another and my team doesn't know we had this encounter. This is years later. And now she's our local ambassador leading the Bible study because she's been doing this for the last couple of years since we met. Like what such a good example of like, what do you have in your hand?

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I was not expecting it. And actually, if I'm really honest, I was terrified. Like, when I suddenly felt, I would see the number of girls that I was sending a letter to. And I just felt so responsible. I was like, I'm going to screw up all of these girls' lives.

“Like, I guess you had so much input. Is that what you felt?”

Yeah, I was just like, whatever I write in these letters has the impact to change a girl's thought process. Or to have her act a different way. Like, that is the impact.

But more or less, I was just so, it felt so weighty. I just felt like, I cannot. I feel like I just felt so serious in a way.

“It was like, God, you need to be with me in every single letter.”

And like, I need to know your in every letter to know that like, the Holy Spirit carries with these letters and meets the girl. Because this is another thing is you can give someone advice. And it might be the right advice for one girl and the wrong advice for the next. And so it has to be like the Holy Spirit has to be part of it where he can cover.

I'm smiling because I get this. That right there was crippling for me for a really long time before I would like preach places, especially at like passion where it was like such a big room. Yeah. And I would be like, well, if I say this, then what about the person who just went through dot dot dot dot.

And then how is that going to sound?

And then ultimately, it's like, you have to offer that to the Lord and dress that God.

I remember hearing Priscilla Shire pray before she spoke one time. And it's really weird because you know how like people pray for their speak, but you don't really remember what they prayed. Yeah. But I like remembering this.

She prayed. God, would you take this word and divide it into every heart in this room? Wow. And I remember thinking like, that's it. You're going to divide this this message and you're going to divide it into the way that every single person needs to hear it.

And they're going to hear it the way you intended for them to hear it. And it's amazing because I remember one time specifically preaching a message. And then I thought about someone on new in the room and what they just went through. And I thought, I wonder how that landed on their ears. Just because what they're going through is not that what I said wasn't true.

But that might be confusing to them with what they just went through.

So I took that person to coffee and you don't always get the opportunity,

but I actually knew this person. So I was able to. And I was amazed at the way she heard it and how God met her in it. And I felt like the Lord reminded me like, it's not my responsibility necessarily like, like, that's the Holy Spirit's job.

You know, like it's our job to be faithful in what he called us to do. And the Holy Spirit is going to like work the heart. But that is a, that is a weight that I really do understand.

“And I think that, but I also think that's why God chose you.”

I think that's a pure heart. I remember Shelley Gugli would tell me one time. You have so scared to speak at passion for this reason. And I was like, I just so how do you trust me to do this? And I was like, I just don't like, what if I say the wrong thing?

And she was like, this is why we trust you because we trust God any. And she was like, and because we know that you're dependent on him.

And she said, I would never ask someone to go on this stage who was totally confident.

And I was like, that's actually really cool. Like, she's like, I wouldn't trust someone who was totally confident. Wow. I like trust the person who's dependent on the Lord. Yeah.

And so I think it's a beautiful wrestle to wrestle with the Lord. But I think the way and the way you carry it is something beautiful. But it can feel heavy. Yeah. 100%.

It really can. And there's a fine line of fear. And then like, holy fear. Just like the fear of the Lord, really. And then fear of man.

And how, you know, on a good day is like, great. Let's go. And then on a bad day, you're like, I've screwed up this letter. I send a letter out and I'm like, what have I just said? Yeah.

But yeah. You're so right. And it's, it's a funny thing as well. Like, with, with, it being so simple. Like, it's not, it's not anything that, like, exciting. You know, what, it is to me, well, it was so, it's like, it's just pen and paper and a stamp and an envelope. And it's been a real challenge as well of the natural projection of,

kind of, kind of, organisations or businesses in what kind of comes next. And it's been really. It's been a real challenge where I felt he's called me. He'd asked me to write these letters. And then what where my mind goes is great.

So then I'll, I'll do this and then I'll do this and listen to this.

“And like, I'm going to, okay, great. And that's what, that's what you've got to me.”

And then I'm like, wow, no, just letters are the minute. Like, just a medium of the letters. Yeah. And it's been seven years now. And honestly, like, the, the, the, the perseverance he's built in me through this. Like, there's been so many times when I'm getting older now.

Should I keep going or is this like, has it had its time?

Should I pass the baton to someone else? Like, but the simplicity of the just like, I just want you to do this. Like, just, this is what I have for you and like keeping it. And maybe one day, he'll be like, great, let's do this, let's do this together. Let's do that, but even that of like, oh, yeah, okay, just, just where I am.

Right now, it's okay. Yeah, but it is, it is weighty. That is something that, as you're talking, my, that's so interesting. I feel like, I feel like, it's almost a scheme of the enemy to plant this, like, doubts.

“Like, oh, do I not get it now, I'm older or whatever?”

Because I feel that like when you're talking, my man, I say the same thing. Yeah. And then I'm like, but then when you hear other people talk about the way they see you, or the way that you're like, really, do you think that? Like, because you're like, I don't see it that. Myself like that, I don't see this like that. But I think that one thing that I think in general, this generation struggles with,

is committing to something and persevering through something. And we, so, so many seeds in the ground and water. And then we just walk away and just, we're like, if that didn't work, do this, do this. And then you look back and it's like you didn't grow anything and the fruit didn't happen. But like, because people aren't such a rush. And they think, like, okay, I need to be doing my dream job or everything God put in me.

By the time I'm 25, that's just not realistic. Like, you might be on the path of that. But like, you've got to sow seeds and water the ground and like, plow it like you, it takes time before you actually see things grow. And even when you start to see it grow and it's beautiful. God's going to buy his grace, keep putting more in your to grow this like garden to grow this like field. It's not just necessarily one thing.

But I do think there is something to like sticking with that ground, sticking with that plan, sticking with that design that he gave you, even if it takes a lot of time.

And ultimately there's a blessing in that.

Yeah. And I was actually just telling honey that the other day with her schoolwork. I was like telling her, because I showed her something she did at the beginning of the school year. And she was like, that's terrible. And I was like, and she's so hard on it.

So I said, and I'm showing you that to show you how far you've come. And I was like. And even in the same vein, she's doing gymnastics. And she like wants to do this back hands when she's four years old. And so I'm teaching her like how we're going to for right now.

Honey, all we're going to do is we're going to sit. And then we're going to jump up with her hand shirt. It's all we're going to do is she practices every day. So I just want to do it. I'm ready to do it.

And so honey, it's going to take you a long time to do it.

Because practically your arms aren't even long enough yet to protect your head. Yeah. But we're going to do stretches right now that eventually when you do it, it's all going to come together perfectly. And I was telling her a views example of a tree.

And I was like, you see all these trees?

“I'm like, do you know how they had to start a seed in the ground?”

And water. And I said, and then roots had to grow honey. And then one day, this tree came. And I was like, right now what we're doing is we're establishing the roots in the ground. We're doing the fundamentals of a backhand spring.

And when your body physically grows big enough to do it, you're going to be able to do it because your roots are going to be strong. And I'm trying to give her that vision for the future. So I think God gives you that vision for the future to go. Okay, what I'm working on now eventually is going to build to that.

But I can't give up right now what I'm doing and throw this away and go any other way to get there. Like, I physically can't get there yet, you know? And so I think it's cool. I just, as you were talking, I was like, man, I'm experiencing that in my own life. You are. And then the lesson I'm giving honey speaks to us.

Wow. Sometimes I do feel like childlike faith. I feel this way. I feel like I look at that verse differently now that I have kids because when I break it down for them, I understand it more myself.

And I'm like, oh, that makes so much sense. I physically just can't get there yet. But that doesn't mean that that's not the right goal when that's not the right vision. I just have to work towards it right now. And the steps to get there are really simple.

It's sitting and jumping. You know, wow. But it's building something. Oh my gosh. That's so beautiful.

I remember whenever we started low and I had all the what ifs. What if I fail? What if it isn't where I need to be? And looking back, I can see so clearly that God had his hand in the whole thing. Starting something new is exciting, but it's also very scary.

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But I think what you're doing, it's it's so cool. Hug guys already showed you glimpses of the impact like Uganda. What? I know. There. I was nuts. I had a girl reach out to me with her mom and they said,

"We're going on a mission strip to Uganda to this home where girls are in rehabilitation. They've like teenage girls who have either pregnant or just had a baby and they're living in poverty and don't have the support around them." And so it's kind of, it's the home for teenage moms. And we would love, and they said, "We would love to take some of these letters out to these girls."

And I was just like mind-blown that letter that I could write a letter that would reach a young mom in Uganda. And so we worked on a letter and we translated it. And partly, and it was, I was praying about it and it just was like, God was so clear. I'm just like, I just want you to them to know that they're my daughter. Like that, but that was all I got from God was like, just repeat it as many times,

but they are my daughter.

“And I think like, there's something so powerful about like,”

the dad and the daughter thing. And it just like wrecks me every time somebody he's sad and good dad.

And we like, that is like our first love, like that's who we see.

That's our reference point for everything. And so then to like write a letter to probably a lot of girls who don't have a dad was just like, the world is saying, like, God, you would use me to say that to remind them that. And so yeah, it got to like, got to write, yeah, this letter out and they took, they took these letters out and they sent me a picture of this like line of women

with their pink letters standing. And it just has like, my husband drew a little girl holding onto a hand and they were just holding it up. And it was just, it's wild. But it's so like, kind of not jumping back, but slightly when, you know, you'd said just now like, our honey is so hard on herself.

I'm like, it's so interesting. And I don't know if you relate to this at all, but like,

“there's still such a like fight of like, oh, God, am I doing what you want me to do?”

Like, am I? And it's like, everyday fighting for like, I just want to do what you want me to do. Every day, I'm still sometimes, I just want to do the right thing. I just like, I'm doing enough, like, my reading my Bible enough. I put in enough time to it. Sometimes I'm like, gosh, I just so distracted. Like, sometimes, you know, my day is thinking about it.

And I'm like, oh my gosh, like, you've given me this like hell. But how I actually had a friend, this lady, she's a pastor in our local area. I don't actually know how that well. But she just said that she wanted to come and see me. And she sat across from the table. And she just said, sorry.

I just wanted to come here and tell you that God is just so thankful for what you're doing. Well, I was just like, how to think he is thankful. Like, you know, of like, gosh, I feel like I'm just constantly trying to please my dad. Like constantly trying to like, oh my day, you know, all these wonderful things. Like, oh, like, I just like, he's so proud of like a view.

And he's so proud of us and it's like such a wild concept to think, like, the king of kings.

Yep. No, it's my name. Yep. But all the circles me daughter. Yep. And is thankful for what I'm doing. My tiny little letters and my, you know, words that I, you know, I'm trying to, yeah, you know, get from him and all, you know, sitting in my desk and no one was going to.

And even for you and I know once there's so many moments, no one will ever see. But he's just like, so wild. It's so wild to me. He's so into your presence. Like, you do see that when you become a parent. Because when your kids get home, you know, where you get home from work or kids go home from school or whatever. Like, you don't want them or need them to do anything for you or like,

Yeah, see your form or do whatever. It's like, you just want to be with them. You just want to hang out with them. Yeah. You just want to hear how their day was. And like, and you're just so proud of them, not because they didn't anything. Like, my kids are foreign too. They're not doing like super impressive things.

But like, and baby, you're just so proud of who they are. Right. Like they're just everything about them. They're smile the way that they line up, the way that they make people laugh. The good friends that they are to other people. Like you're just so proud of who they are.

“And it teaches you the lesson of like, oh, that's how God sees me. Like you see it.”

Oh, you see me. Like, I see them. Oh, I've looked at this wrong. You know, I remember one day it was before a conference last year. And I was just like overwhelmed so many things. And had the time had two kids and felt that that was crazy. A little dough three was going to be crazy.

And I was just like, I felt like I just wasn't doing enough in any area of my life. Like, I was like, I'm not doing the best job I could do as a mom or as wife or as someone leaving alone. And then it was like, it's like, nothing was going like great on my path.

I was just like, I'm just not giving anything my best. And so finally, I was trying to.

And so finally, after like a finally felt like at the kids down and did this and that. And blah, I was like, okay, I'm going to go spend time with the Lord. And I had geared up to come to the Lord, like, repentant. Like, I'm sorry, Lord, like, I haven't spent time with you. I haven't, like, I was just about to like apologize like, I just haven't been enough.

And I got inside a cinema porch and before I could even say a word, I just felt the overwhelming presence of a loving father as soon to cry. And I was like, you don't need me to say I'm sorry. You don't even want me to say I'm sorry. Like, you don't even, because you're not sitting here thinking I'm not doing enough.

You just love me. You're just actually for me and you're kind. Yeah. And it was so I can't even explain the feeling because it's like when God speaks to you. I was trying to explain this to honey the other day because she was like, when you say God told you that because she heard me talking about kid's name story. Oh, yeah.

“And she was like, did you, like, how do you hear him if he doesn't talk?”

Yeah. And I said, well, he does speak, but instead of like hearing the way you naturally hear with your ears when God speaks, he speaks to your heart, so it's more of a feeling you feel. And that's kind of how I would explain this moment. It wasn't, I didn't feel somebody hugged me, but I felt like I was hugged.

You know, like I felt like I was loved. And later at that night, we have security cameras and it's a cushion. Can you like pull up our cameras and go back to when I walked outside? And it was so cool we watched it back. It was as if I, like, it was so crazy looking because I walked outside.

And I sit down and then I said, no, I'm like, just melt and just cry. And I was like, that was the moment I felt so loved. And it was just like the coolest thing. It was just the coolest experience.

And so it's amazing to walk with God.

It's truly a relationship. It's not. It is a relationship. It's a 24/7 thing. It's a father to a daughter.

Yeah. It is stunning. I want to ask, lastly, about how pink letters operates. Because I know their sponsorships involved. And girls are listening.

Like, I want to pink letter or moms are listening. And they want their daughters to have pink letters. Talk about how you get one and how the sponsorship works. I think it's a beautiful model too. Yeah.

So it's quite special. It's in the way that the mom or the parent or anyone in this goes. Life sponsors them.

“And I think it's significant because it's like.”

It's like, choosing to sew into that girl. Like almost like subconsciously through something practical.

Like, I care about your wellbeing. I also care about, I know, I see you. I think that's it. It's I see.

“So what happens is that you go to the website and you can sign up.”

The website with the website is pink letters.uk. Yeah. But it's it's like a global website. You can anyone can go on it. And you can sign up a girl.

And you just sign up one girl at a time. So if you've got sisters or siblings, just put them on separate signups. But it's five dollars in the US. It's three pound fifty in the UK per month. And that pays for the envelope and the paper.

Postage mailing.

And basically from that, your,

The girl you sign up will get a letter every month until they turn 19. And so, yeah, you can, you can sign up as many girls in your life as you want. And there will be a letter at their doorstep. So cool. Yeah.

Can you sign yourself up? You can. Okay. Yeah. You can.

I love this so much.

“So what's the age bracket one more time?”

So 11 to 18.

You're allowed on so basically on the day, then 19.

Then you're allowed one. So yeah, just like the teenagers. Yeah. It's really, really, really cool. So all of you moms listening.

I know you're going to want to get this for your daughters. I think it's the most beautiful thing. Obviously, you see who's behind it. Pure is heart. So pink letters dot UK.

You can sign your daughters up. You can sign your youth group up. Whatever that looks like for y'all. I love your story, Indie. And more than that, I love who you are.

I think you're incredible.

“And whenever I met you, I was like, everyone in the world needs to know about this.”

So if I can even do the small part and blessing this out to people, I'm grateful. But not even just that. Just introducing them to another incredible influence. I know you use your Instagram and say to cute way too. I shouldn't say cute in a really beautiful way.

Cute seems like undercutting what you do. But her fashion is so amazing. So her Instagram is fashion and so cute. You're in your husband. You're husband.

It's so funny because he's from Florida. But he's like the most British looking person. I don't know. I had to go across the pond to find you. Yet you get less and less exotic because the day is going by.

He sounds British now. I know. I can sign it down the street. He looks like in like British movies. Like nodding hill.

Like he looks like he should be in that movie. For some reason to me. But it's so funny. It's so funny. But y'all are so adorable.

And then she also has her pink letters and serum as well that you can follow. But if there's any influencer worth being followed, it's Indie. So go check her out and thank you for coming all this way. I guess you didn't have to come from the UK. You came from Florida.

But thanks for coming over here for the podcast. Such an honor. Thank you for having me. This is the best. Such a gift.

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