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“History This Week - June 6, 1944. I'm Sally Home.”
It's 3 o'clock in the morning. The full moon reflects off the choppy sea. Soldiers begin to climb down the net strapped along the walls of their transport ships. They've been told to keep their guns and equipment loosely strapped to their bodies, because if they slip and fall into the English channel, they'll have to shed their gear or drown. These allied soldiers are climbing down into smaller boats. Both specifically designed
for amphibious assault. They're going to land these boats on the beaches of Normandy. This will be the largest amphibious assault in world history and the soldiers know how dangerous it is. One officer told a group. Look to the right of you and look to the left of you.
There's only going to be one of you left after the first week in Normandy.
Only so many troops can land on the beach at once. So the majority of these boats move to an assembly area out in the water. They're in constant motion, spinning in giant circles, one and a half boat links apart so that they can zoom off into action at the moment's notice. The craft themselves are very specific, perfectly designed for this type of assault. Technically, they are called LCVPs, landing craft vehicle personnel, but you may know them as Higgins Boats.
And the insides are incredibly bare bones. Think of a 36-foot long rectangular wooden box with a motor tucked in the back and a hinged metal door at the front. Up to 36 soldiers with all their equipment are crammed inside. Years later, when surviving soldiers are asked about what
“they remember in this purgatory phase of D-Day, waiting to be deployed, they mentioned two smells.”
The first is diesel. Dozens of Higgins Boats, spinning in a circle, creates a huge,
inescapable cloud of exhaust out on the water. Higgins Boats are engineered to speed through any obstacle, pull up on the beach, drop their ramps, let them end off, and reverse back into the water to load for the next wave, fast. So relative to the size of the boats, the engines are big, hence lots of exhaust. And the other smell is vomit. The choppy waters, the spinning boats, the stench of diesel, the likelihood of death, the man gets sick. And they're stuck in these little
spinning craft. One soldier from the U.S. Army's fourth division says that Gai Higgins ain't got nothing to be proud of, inventing this goddamned boat. But generalize and how we're well later disagree. Killsay, the inventor of these boats is, quote, "the man who won the war for us." Today, the story of Andrew Higgins. How does a small time New Orleans boat builder force his way into the military industrial complex? And what exactly is so special about these boxy little Higgins
boats? Andrew Higgins was interested in boating from a very young age. This despite the fact that he grew up in Nebraska, a state not known for its bodies of water. But one day, at 12 years old, Andrew Higgins makes a chance to discover him. He finds a erect sailboat. No, I'm one of the few legs that that's around there. That is Dr. John Kurtola. He's a senior historian at the National World War II museum in New Orleans. He says the young Andrew Higgins drags this boat
Back home and restores it himself.
work. And he floats it, but he finds it kind of not satisfied, not fast enough for him.
“Even at 12, Higgins likes to go fast. That winter, he builds himself a Bob sled. But that is too”
slow for him too. So he returns to the idea of a boat. But now it's winter in Nebraska. So he decides to build a so-called ace sailing boat. One that can speed across the ice on blades. That'll be much faster. He builds his own boat, called the Anio, which is named after his mother, but he doesn't actually think the process through because he builds this boat in the basement of his home. And then he realizes, I can't get the boat out of the basement. Higgins waits for his
mom to go shopping and makes his move. And he removed a wall between two windows in his
basement. With some friends help, he demolishes hert of the foundation. Jackson's family home
up on timbers that he finds at a junkyard moves the boat out and then re-builds the wall. And as the lower goes, he did this before his mother returned home from the store. The Anio ends up hitting 16 miles an hour, sailing on the ice. As you can already tell, Andrew Higgins is highly confident and likes to take matters into his own hands. He's also a bit of a brawler. He gets kicked out of one school for fighting, starts at another,
but eventually drops out. It's reportedly too slow for him to. He joins the National Guard and eventually finds himself in New Orleans. Where he starts a business, the Higgins lumber and export company. Then his new job, it's going to require him to do something that he loves. Andrew Higgins is going to have to build a boat. He buys attractive woods not far away from New Orleans on the water in Mississippi. That's where he's going to get his lumber. And he does a good
“deal on it because it is almost impossible to access. Do you have to get the wood from the”
value in these swampy areas to the marketplace? This swamp and the river going to it contain all kinds of obstacles. You have cat tails, you have water hyacins, you have all kinds of floor and flan of that will impede the movement of the craft. So Andrew Higgins gets to work. You want a craft that has a very low draft, meaning it doesn't sit very low in the water. The more shallow the boat is, the better it can ride over obstacles like cat tails and boulders. Higgins designs a shallow
boat where the motor is held above the water rather than underneath it. That way it won't hit any value debris. He designs a sort of tunnel for it in the back of the hole and it works. He keeps refining his design over the years, eventually adding a reinforced bow almost like a battering ram. A very robust nose on it that can stand, you know, running into logs or rocks or anything like that
“and have a design that help push the plants and the obstacles that are on the surface away from”
the boat itself. This design evolves into what Higgins humbly calls his wonderboat. It's working for him and he soon realizes other people might need it too, like big oil companies who are heading into the bayou to look for oil or something called the biological survey agency of the United States. But go on air and they survey these lands. The Army Corps of Engineers as they are building dams and levees, they need access to these areas. Higgins starts developing some contacts
within the federal government. He gets a contract with the Coast Guard. Prohibition was the rule of the day and the Coast Guard mission was to intercept bootleggers or rum runners who are bringing alcohol into the country. Higgins sells them some of his boats for that job. But he doesn't stop there. Then by the same token he goes to the bootleggers and the rum runners and he tells them, hey, this is what the Coast Guard has as a vessel. I can build you one better. Then he goes back to
the Coast Guard to say, hey, this is what the bootleggers are using. I can build you one better. So that tells you a lot about his business acumen the way he thought. Higgins is building a reputation as a colorful New Orleans character. He's known to drink, swear, and push until he gets what he wants. And soon, he sets his sights on his biggest customer yet, the Navy. He writes letter to the
Navy Bureau of Construction and Repair, which basically design boats. Higgins knows he's going to have
a tough time competing with huge Northeastern shipbuilders, with our lobbyists in Washington. But he's persistent, and by his own description, possibly obnoxious. And they're right in my letter back and they say, hey, it's a nice design, but we're not really interested in this. Nevertheless, Higgins Industries has developed into a very healthy, successful business
In New Orleans.
Andrew Higgins. It is too slow. Remember, the motor is suspended up in the body of the Wonderboat
“to keep it away from swampy debris. That is kind of the whole point. But as a result, the propeller”
isn't only moving through water. A lot of air gets sucked into, which creates drag. So the question is, how do you stop air from getting into the propeller? One day, Higgins and his engineers are on the factory floor. And one of them makes an error. Just happen, stance on one of these vessels and this mistake creates a, of the section of midship of the section. The whole accidentally has a downward bulge somewhere between the middle of a boat and the motor. It's a manufacturing defect.
Higgins launches into a curseladen tirade at his employees, but he's also a tinker at heart.
And he says, "Okay, finish the boat anyway. See what happens."
What it does is this mistake of building this particular vessel reduces the amount of drag that's
“going underneath the boat itself. This lump in the hole, it actually pushes the air away before it”
gets to the motor. Plus air, less drag, more speed. In fact, almost double the speed. It's faster, it's safer, it's more efficient in terms of its movement through the water. And it's more maneuverable so there's a whole host of things. This design really kind of revolutionizes this idea of shallow water design and the ability to navigate these kinds of areas. Higgins calls this design appropriately, though you're Rika. Now, he is still trying to land his
white whale client, the US Navy. And he knows this boat is better than anything they have in this category. A quick nimble craft that can float over any type of obstacle, it can even go partially onto the shore and then reverse back into the water. What Higgins doesn't know yet is that
“for the military that Yurika is arriving right on time.”
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Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Behind the scenes, unbeknownst to the American public, one of the branches of the US military has been having an identity crisis. There is a strange organization in Northern Virginia called the US Marine Corps. In addition to being a historian, John Cortola himself is a Marine Corps veteran. He explains that after World War I, the Marines didn't really have an obvious purpose. The Marine Corps fought
as a land army during the first World War, so why don't you need a Marine Corps? What is unique about
these guys? If the army can fight on land and the navy fights at sea, the Marines fight on we don't know where. They're looking for a role in a mission. And one of the things that the Marines latch onto during the inner war years is this idea of amphibious assault. Amphibious assault attacking from the water and moving on to land. Famously, the Allied powers in World War I tried this at Gallipoli in modern-day Turkey.
This assault is led by the young head of the Royal Navy, Winston Churchill. The Australians, the New Zealanders, and some French and some British troops tried to do an amphibious assault, and it's a complete failure. This defeat sticks with Churchill for the rest of his life. It's also a cautionary tale for militaries across the globe on how not to do an amphibious assault. But years later, the Marine's reason that if they configured out, master this
tactic, that can be the thing that justifies their existence. Meanwhile, Andrew Higgins is trying to market his new Yerika boat. He has his son, Andrew Jr., taking people out for demonstrations on Lake Pantatrain. They're more like thrill rides. He has the Yerika jump over patches of floating balls. Make hairpin 180 degree turns. It actually will take his Yerika boat and he'll drive it a shore, and then he can put it in reverse and take it off the shore. At the same time,
the Navy has been trying to develop boats on its own to give the Marines the kinds of craft they'll
Need for these amphibious assaults.
want to go with their own design. But their design, it just isn't very good. It's basically a modified
“fishing boat. It's slow, it's difficult to maneuver. The propellers will get stuck in the sand.”
And by coincidence, a Navy officer catches one of Higgins' high-flying demonstrations of the Yerika on Lake Pantatrain. He makes his recommendation to leadership. Let's give this Higgins guy a shot. They offer him $5,200 to build a Navy specific prototype. That is far less than the $12,500 that it costs him in parts and labor. But to Higgins, it is worth the loss to get his hat in the ring. Testing lasts for over a year. They actually do some exercises where they try out the Yerika
against some Navy designed boats. And it is literally better. But the bureaucracy still doesn't budge. We're going to go with a Navy design as opposed to some guy we don't even know who he is. And they tell him that, you know, you're cute, you know, kind of go away. We know what we're doing.
“But the Marines see the promise here. They know that the Yerika is the right option”
for amphibious assault. After all, it can drive right up on land and then back right off.
So, they apply some pressure. Higgins, unsurprisingly, has also never stopped pushing his boat.
And the Navy finally concedes. On November 18th, 1940, a little over a year before Pearl Harbor, they place their order. They want $335 a week about to start. And soon after, minesweepers, tank carriers, patrol boats, rocket launching boats, Higgins needs to move fast. He builds eight separate factories, all in New Orleans. The one in city park becomes his main hub. That was the largest both factory in the world.
And he's going to need it because by late 1941, America is at war. And the Navy keeps ordering Higgins boats.
“By the summer of 1942, Higgins is employing 6,000 people. And he does one of very few business”
owners in New Orleans who is adhering strictly to a recent executive order from President Roosevelt. That wartime industry needs to be integrated. He hires African Americans and they're on those production lines with their white counterparts. And that is something here in the south is kind of unheard of.
It's actually one of the first racially integrated work forces in New Orleans history.
And Higgins is totally on board. He is a huge fan of FDRs. He also starts to employ women, starts schooling ladies to work in the factories themselves and on the production lines. The operation becomes so huge that Higgins builds employee housing, which he simply calls our town. You see him looking out for them outside of their employment by giving them decent housing at a time where there just wasn't a lot of decent housing around.
An average pay is like $58 per week. Higgins reaches near legendary status in New Orleans. He becomes the city's largest employer by far. And his hiring practices help play the groundwork for future civil rights gains. One of the core arguments of segregation was that black people should be paid less because their labor was inherently less valuable. But when large numbers of black and white workers are working together,
it is much harder to maintain that lie. Higgins is a microcosm of this larger progressive movement. Workers saw what happened during the war. Instead, there's a lasting effect. In late September 1942, Andrew Higgins gets a chance to meet President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, himself. FDR decides to come visit the factory. Higgins knows this is a big opportunity. This is how business gets done in New Orleans, face to face.
He's a character and he likes to deal with people in a personal level. You see him playing in this political realm. And that's not strange for New Orleans, you know, political patronage. Who you know, able to get good deals on, say, a leasing contract or tax breaks or whatever the case may be, that is still part and parcel of politics at the time? FDR's train pulls right up to the factory entrance. Higgins' nephew recalled seeing Roosevelt use precious to get into a waiting convertible.
The factory door had been widened by three feet the night before, so his car would be able to drive right down the factory floor. On their tour, Higgins talks the President's ear off. He explains every step of the production process, while workers dressed in all white, staring all at the President, as his motorcades slowly rolls past. At the end, Roosevelt is greeted
By the Higgins company band.
And of course, you know, they all applaud. And then, after that he goes, let's impress the President
“and show him how fast we can get back to work. And they, they scaddle back, you know, to their”
production line. As FDR departs, he says to Higgins, "You're the only man I've ever met, who has done all the talking." Higgins takes it as a compliment. And he is also right that the face time seems to help his business. Shortly after FDR leaves, he gets a new order, a little strange, for 1200 wooden cargo airplanes. Production only continues to grow from there.
Higgins' work force swells to over 20,000 people across his factories in New Orleans.
In September 1943, the Navy has 14,000 vessels of that 13,000 Higgins' books. That includes all boats, not just the Higgim model. And it doesn't include battleships or aircraft carriers. But still, the volume is enormous. Higgins can't produce them fast enough. And the Higgins' recommodel, now just called, "The Higgins' Boat" has become indispensable. It is that vital link, without those, you don't have that efficient movement of men and material
from ship to shore. These boats are crucial and vulnerable. When the U.S. invades North Africa,
they lose 40% of all their landing craft. They also suffer losses later in baiting Italy. And the loss of these boats has leaders anxious. Eisenhower says, "If I die, bury me in the coffin, it looks like a landing craft, because the lack of them is worrying
“you need to death," unquote. Moving into 1944, Higgins' plants are running around the clock,”
pumping out and estimated 54 boats a day. He's at max capacity. And everyone, including Andrew Higgins, knows that a larger Allied invasion of the European mainland is somewhere on the horizon. The only question is when. Winston Churchill wants to move into France from the south, through Italy. The Allies also consider invading at an established French port, which would have been the traditional
tactic, but they'd already tried this in 1942, attacking the French port at D.P. The Germans wiped them out, a more than 50% casualty rate. Still, Hitler thinks they'll try again. The Germans think the Allies are going to come at the Porti KLA at the shortest part in English channel. But the Americans are pushing for something else, an amphibious assault, landing not in a city or a port, but on a beach. In part because that has become their specialty.
The Marines have achieved their dream. They've mastered the amphibious assault, with the help of Andrew Higgins and his boats. Unless you have these vessels, you don't have North Africa, sisterly Solerno, Anzio, and all those other amphibious operations that occur both in the Atlantic and in the Pacific. And now, the rest of the U.S. military is looking to the Marines.
For this invasion, codenamed Operation Overlord, the Allies need a thousand Higgins boats. His classic model, 36 feet long, flat bottomed, mostly made of wood, with a steel drop-down ramp at the front. What started as the Wonderboat, then the Urika, now the Higgins boat, is the most produced naval vessel in the war. Higgins boats are flying out of his factories in New Orleans.
“We asked John Cortola, given the pace of production, does Higgins suspect D-Day is coming?”
He probably doesn't. All he does is get the requirement. I need X amount of boats. June 6, 1944. D-Day. Some of the Higgins boats begin to land on the beaches of Normandy. The rest are turning in the water miles out, rotating in circles.
You have to go to a holding area and you circle around until your wave is rea...
and go inland. Cortola has poured over countless hours of oil histories stored at the National
“War of War II Museum in New Orleans, where it works. These guys are on these boats literally”
four hours before they go ashore. You have sea spray coming over the tunnels, so most of these men are cold-thoped. The sea is pretty rough that morning, so that is guys are bailing water out with their helmets. You know? And so you're in this horrible environment and they still gotta go inland. The world's gonna even get worse once they hit the beach. When a given Higgins boat is called into action, it spins out of the circle and heads towards the shore.
The boat flies onto the sandbar and drops the ramp down, exactly as it's designed to do. It's the scene so many Americans already know, famously depicted in saving private Ryan. It's a blood bath, but the Higgins boats perform their job. When the troops are off,
“the pilot pulls the boat back from the shore and heads back out to sea to get the next wave.”
The casualties are high. Over 10,000 Allied soldiers killed, captured, or wounded. But the number that land on wave after wave of Higgins boats is staggering. 160,000 soldiers on June 6th alone. One thing that the Germans really have not understood is American production capacity. So you talk to some of those German soldiers at that survive and they talk about just seeing ship after ship out there. Even those pilots flying over it,
or the sailors, they all talk about this vast armada. 7,000 ships out there in landing craft. It had to be awe-inspiring to see that much naval presence in the channel. As a national celebrity, he becomes one of Franklin Roosevelt's biggest home front boosters,
“and then Truman Afteren, hosting bond drives, helping on the campaign trail. By the end of the”
war, he'll have built exactly 20,000 and 94 boats. Which, if you think about where he started, annoying the Navy into considering his designs, it's pretty stunning. If it's not for his individual initiative, an individual say stubbornness and pick head of this, which in this case is a good attribute, not a bad attribute. If you would take
no for an answer, you wouldn't have these vessels to the Second World War.
Not everyone treats him as a hero. A year after the end of the war in 1946, the Department of Justice opens an investigation into Higgins, as part of a broad accounting audit into possible wartime profiteering. He goes, "This is all prejudicial against me because he feels like he's being singled out, probably because he's not part of the establishment." He's not a huge corporation, you know, he's not consolidated aircraft. He's not Boeing.
He's a small guy, down there, making these boats, and so, you know, he's probably an easier target than most. A grand jury exonerates him a year later, but Higgins claims that the investigation permanently damages his reputation. His company has a hard time finding its peace time footing. They do manage to secure some military contracts for the Korean War, and it's during that war, in 1952, that Higgins dies from a stomach ailment in New Orleans
at the age of 65. Now, Higgins Inc. hasn't operated in New Orleans for almost seven decades, and a lot of New Orleans don't know the name Andrew Higgins. For the younger generation,
the second world war might as well be the crusades, or ancient Rome. If you know where to look,
there are placards throughout the city where Higgins' factories once stood, where thousands of New Orleans's of all demographics were employed. But perhaps this most tangible legacy is New Orleans's national World War II Museum, where Curtula works. When historians Steven Ambrose first got the idea to build the museum, he said it would be, quote, "to honor Andy Higgins and to preserve the story of the great Allied invasion." The museum now sits at 525 Andrew Higgins Drive,
but he is not as prominent in national memory as other figures from that era.
Higgins didn't lead a charge on the battlefield.
But what Higgins' story does represent, Curtula says, is the power of tenacity.
“Who could have predicted that the kid building a boat in his mom's basement would eventually”
help defeat Nazi Germany? Higgins is a hard-dranking, hard-working, problem-solving,
hard-driving individual who won't take no for an answer to get to his objectives and to find solutions
to very difficult problems. That, he says, is the point of the museum. We're here to remind
“our fellow Americans what we can actually do when we decide to do something.”
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Special thanks to our guest, Dr. John Curtula, Samil Samari Stone, Senior Historian at the National War of War II Museum in New Orleans, Louisiana. His book is Armies of Float, how the development of amphibious operations in Europe helped win World War II. You can find links to that and all the other books we used to put this episode together at our website, historythisweek.com. This episode was produced by Ben Dixon and by me, Sally Helm.
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