Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor: The 4 Brain Characters That Transform Habits and Critical Thinking | Human Behavior | E390

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- When you were 37, you had a stroke. It took you about 45 minutes or longer to realize that you were having stroke. And you were somebody who studied the brain. How can we know if we're having the symptoms of a stroke

and what are we doing immediately when we feel those symptoms? So the warning signs, here are the warning signs. - I use SP or okay, eat and help people remember. As stands for...

- Hey, Afam, welcome back to another amazing episode. Today's conversation will change how you understand your brain and how you use it. Our guest is Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor, a Harvard trained neuroscientist

who experienced the unthinkable.

“At just 37 years old, she suffered a massive stroke”

and she witnessed her own brain shut down, moment by moment. That life altering experience became the foundation for the whole brain living, a powerful framework that reveals the four distinct characters inside your brain that shape your thoughts, emotions, habits, and decisions.

And once you learn to recognize them, you'll gain the ability to consciously choose clarity over chaos, intention over reaction, and calm over stress. We're gonna be covering this extensively in today's conversation, but first, if you're new here,

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Dr. Jill, welcome to Young Improving Podcast. - I am so happy to be with you, thank you. - Likewise, I'm so excited. I love talking about the brain. I love understanding the brain more as entrepreneurs.

We're using our minds every day. We need to make sure that we're optimizing our minds and our productivity, and so very excited for this conversation today. And something that really made me curious

when I was researching you, Dr. Jill, or was really eye-opening is that you were actually studying the brain before you had this traumatic stroke. And so when I had heard about you in the past, I thought that you had a stroke,

and then you got interested in the brain. But it turns out you were actually studying the brain long before you had your accident, which I wanna hear all about. But first, talk to us about why you decided

to study the brain, what were your curious about, what were the kind of questions that you were trying to solve when you were initially being assigned as an researcher around the brain. Thank you. So yes, I have a brother who's 18 months older

than I, and he would eventually be diagnosed with the brain disorder schizophrenia. So as a child, I just noticed that this guy and I,

we interpreted our experiences. For example, if we're out playing kickball and the ball goes flying out into the yard, and my mom is on the stupid and all of a sudden, she jumps up and she's screaming at us,

I interpret that as terror that her kids are gonna get killed if we run out into the street. But my brother interpreted her, her hollowing as anger. And that's a fundamental difference when we are not understanding and perceiving

people's emotions in the same way. So I just became really fascinated with, what are the differences between me and my brother and what is going on and it had to be at the level of brain because biologically he's the closest thing to me

that exists in the universe. So I became fascinated with body language, social relations, vocal language, gene, all of that. And what am I as a human being? I was just fascinated with what am I as a living being.

So that caught my attention and then as I got older, I really became fascinated with how does our brain create our perception of reality? What is normal, what is not normal? So yeah, no, I grew up to be a neuroanatomist.

I study the brain at a cellular level. So because fundamentally I figured it was the differences between me and my brother were going to be in the way our brains wired each other.

“So I think I really want to dig deep on is the fact”

that you are studying what our reality is, like what is perception, how do we perceive reality and consciousness and itself? So talk to us about how you thought consciousness worked before you had your accident.

- Well, that's a big question.

I believed that first fall, every ability we have

is because we have brain cells that perform that function. And to me, the single cell organism is just this, that is life, that is the miracle. And we just happen to be a bunch of cells stuck together for a multi-cellular life, which is also fantastic.

But I was fascinated with the single cell organism. And how did the universe create a bunch of atoms and molecules that work together in order to become a blueprint for a living entity? And then that living entity is defined

by having a boundary, a cellular membrane that would be semi-permeable. And things would be outside in the universe of that membrane. And then that membrane would allow some things in. And it would have perception of some things.

So I was very cellular. I was very anatomical. So my perception of consciousness was, well, I do believe that a cell has a consciousness. It's, of course, not like ours.

“But it's still, I believe, has an awareness of the difference”

between itself and that which is outside of itself. And you believe this before you're accident that each cell had its own consciousness that's so interesting. Why did you believe that?

Well, because what is life? To me, the difference between, in order for a universe to be able to put all the atoms and molecules in the right formation in order to come up with genetic material.

And then that genetic material becomes somehow, which is nothing other than atoms and molecules. I don't believe that we have the construct of a human body and then consciousness happens to us. I think that we are a culmination of consciousness

and we have different levels of consciousness in different parts of our brain work together in constellations of skill sets that then end up looking like separate consciousnesses. We also end up looking like different personalities.

So I always had that construct, but I didn't,

but I was really interested. I was working in the lab. I was teaching and performing, neuroanatomy, gross anatomy, which is could have a lab. I love it to my life.

I love it to what I was doing. And you know, I had the same thinking pattern of really focused on at a cellular level. What are the differences between me and my brain and my brothers' brain?

So last question before we get into your accident and what happened, who were you back down? Like who was Jill back then?

“How did you self-identify and define success back then?”

I was climbing the Harvard ladder.

And I had my PhD in neuroanatomy and I did my first post-doc

And then once I got my PhD, I went to Harvard Medical School

from my post-doc.

“I was studying in the lab of David Hubel”

and Nobel Laureate. So it was very alpha personality, go, go, go, let's achieve. And then from David Hubel's lab, so I moved from the department of neurobiology to the Harvard Department of Psychiatry

because I wanted to focus my basic science research on the schizophrenia and what is the difference at a neuroanatomical level. So I was climbing the Harvard ladder, doing what a girl had to do.

And I was an artist in my heart. And I chose neuroscience to make a living. And so when I went to the labs, I said to all of my mentors, I am an artist in my heart. So give me projects that you care about

an aesthetic component to the science. And that meant the visualization of cells, neurotransmitters, relationships between these. And let me make for you beautiful art

“and learn new things in the lab at the same time.”

So you got to kind of combine both passions, which is great. So when you were 37, you had a stroke. Take us back to the morning, the day that it happened, what were some of the initial things that you realized were happening, what did you think was happening

in the moment and how did things unfold?

- Yeah, so first of all, I'm a PhD, I am a scientist.

Of course, I have had neuro, I have learned some neurology. I certainly studied stroke at a cellular level. I certainly studied all dementia, all kinds of neurological trauma. But I was a lab rat, so I'm not, by point here,

as I was not an MD, I was not a neurologist. So when I woke up on the morning of December 10, 1996, I woke up as soon as I sat up, I had a major pounding behind my left eye. And it was very unusual for me to experience any kind of pain.

I was generally very happy, healthy, knock-on wood. But I had this pounding pain, and so I thought, okay, I'm gonna exercise and get my blood flowing, and hopefully I would feel better.

So I got up, but as soon as I got up,

I realized that the light coming in through the windows was really burning, it was uncomfortable. And so I closed the windows, closed the blinds, I got on my cardiac lighter, it's a full body full exercise machine back in the 90s.

And I was jamming away on this thing, and I looked at my hands, and my hands looked like, literally looked like primitive claws, grasping onto the bar, and I thought, wow, that's unusual. And the pounding kept going, and I just looked at myself,

and it was, as though I was observing myself, having this experience, instead of being in the body, having the experience, and the pounding in the head, just wasn't getting any better, and I thought, okay, enough of exercise.

So I thought, okay, I'm gonna take a shower, 'cause at this point, I've still had an work. So I'm walking across my living room, and every step is rigid, and it says, though I'm having to tell my legs to move,

move, coordinate, move, and as I'm getting into the shower, as I'm lifting my leg, it literally was this conversation going on inside of my body of, okay, you muscles, you can track, you muscles, you relax, and I literally lost my balance as I was in the shower,

and I'm leaning up against the wall, and I go and I turn the water on, I put it was just pull out this nozzle, the water hit the tub, and the volume was so amplified that I fell backwards, it was like energy, just knocks me over,

I'm leaning up against the wall, and I'm looking at my arm, and I'm realizing I can no longer define the boundaries of where I begin and where I end. I'm just atoms and molecules blending with the atoms and molecules of the wall,

and about this time your audience is thinking, man, this sounds like some kind of a high trip, you know? (laughs)

“Still a side and maybe that's what I usually get,”

but not having had that experience, I can't speak to it, but if you've ever had that experience, it is the dissolving of the boundaries of where we begin and where we end as a biological creature, because I am, we are this massive conglomeration of these cells

and a group of cells literally in that left hemisphere where the hemorrhage was happening,

“they had gone offline, so I could no longer define the boundaries”

of where I begin and where I ended. So eventually I get out of the shower, and I go into my bedroom and I mechanically dress, I just somehow get dressed, and then I'm asking myself, can I drive, can I drive, and in that instant,

my right arm went totally paralyzed by my side, and that's when I'm realizing, oh my gosh, paralysis, warning sign of stroke, oh my god, I'm having a stroke. And then the next thing my brain says is, wow, this is so cool.

How many brain scientists have the opportunity to study their own brain from the inside out? So that out the personality, it was just really saying, okay, we're having a stroke, we'll do this for a few weeks, we'll learn what we can learn,

and then we'll go back to work. And then it took about 45 minutes in order for me to actually make a phone call and get help.

Wow, like what a powerful story.

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this stroke to begin with? Do you feel like there was anything you could have done to prevent this or that we can do to prevent the same thing happening to us? Well, there are, so first of all, there are different kinds

of stroke. Two different kinds of stroke primarily. One is hemorrhagic. And when you have a hemorrhagic stroke, blood vessels come together, they break,

and the blood seeps out into the tissue. And that was the kind of stroke I had.

malformation.

“And this is essentially a, you have an artery”

that is a high pressure system that comes in. And usually then it tapers down to a very small space. And then all the red blood cells line up through the capillary. And then at the other end of that, you have a low pressure

vein and that vein then obliterally absorbs liquid back to take it, dirty blood back to the heart. And I had an arterial venous malformation that I was born with. This was a congenital malformation that I did not know

was there. And essentially an artery is directly connected to the vein without the capillary neutral pressure. And these usually blow between the ages of 25 and 45. And I was 37 at the time.

So no, I did not know it was there. There's nothing I could do about it. Unless somebody had given me an MRI and said, oh, Jill, we have a problem. Which we do now, but those days we, you know, 97,

we weren't given MRIs. But I had been diagnosed when I was 17.

“And I think this is really important for your audience.”

I was diagnosed with migraine headache at the age of 17, 20 years before this thing blew. And I have not had a migraine since I had surgery to remove the malformation. So if there is someone in your audience

who experiences migraine headache and none of the current medications which are really excellent for migraine, if none of those meds help, I encourage people, go get a scan, go get your brain, look at that to see what's actually going on inside of your head.

Because no one, if you have an organic problem, I think is really important. - Yeah, being preventative. And now, like you said, like, MRIs are available. Immediately when you said that I know one person

who always gets migraines, he's in my life,

that I'm like, I need to tell them to go get an MRI scan. - If the meds don't work, then absolutely you want to go and see, okay, what else is maybe going on inside of? And I have had people write to me and say, I heard you give this advice on a podcast

and it saved my life.

“So who knows who out there we can influence positively?”

- Now, one more question. It took you about 45 minutes or longer to realize that you were having a stroke. And you were somebody who studied the brain. How can we know if we're having the symptoms of a stroke?

And what do we do immediately when we feel those symptoms? - Yeah, so the typical type of stroke that happens is when a blood clot gets thrown in your body. And it goes up into the blood vessels in the brain and those brain arteries get smaller and smaller, they taper.

And so a blood clot will go into that tapering blood vessel and then when it's too big, it's going to block the flow. So that's called an eschemic stroke. And so the warning signs, here are the warning signs. And I use STROKE to help people remember

what's going on, S stands for speech. If you have any problems with language,

all of a sudden, I never say that, yeah, bye, how are you?

And you're watching me and I'm now in my mind. I may still be hearing my language, but clearly what's coming out is a problem. That's a huge warning sign. S, speech, T stands for tingling or numbness in the body.

Usually this is going to be on only one side of the body, but not all the time. So really paying attention to what's going on with your limbs and how you're feeling. So S, speech, T, tingling are is remembering.

All of a sudden, are you having a problem? An acute problem with remembering your spouse's name or where you are or where not where you parked your car, that's kind of a common place, that way I'll get. But if you're having some major acute problem

with remembering, that's a warning sign. Oh, off balance. If all of a sudden you're having a real off balance and off inside one side of the body will droop, one side of the face may droop.

You may be dragging your leg all of a sudden. You may have a little bit of paralysis and your arm, you can't get it to go. These are warning signs. So in then, K stands for killer headache,

throbbing, pulsing, like that caustic pain that you get when you bite into ice cream, major warning sign.

Usually one side did, again, not always,

but usually on one side or the other, and then E stands for eyes or all of a sudden major problems with vision. And stroke is, it's a stroke, boom, it usually happens.

What can you do to help prevent it?

What are you eating? Really, food makes a difference. How much sleep are you getting?

“Sleep is time period when new information streaming”

and shuts down, and this is when the cells turn on and the garbage cleaners go in and they clean out all the waste. You have to consider your brain is like 800 billion neurons that are talking to one another. They're eating, they're creating waste while you're busy.

So when we go to sleep, that's when we go in and we flush the system. So that's really important. How much rest are you getting then? And how stressful are you?

What the stress circuitry is a go-go-go, go-go, do-do, go-go more and more. Okay, I reached a goal, but I'll celebrate for this long. And then I want more.

There's always this driving force of that left brain

that wants more. So there are things that we really can do. And let me say this, Hala, about the brain and our vulnerability is if you look at a human brain,

“you can see the blood inside of the blood vessels”

because the walls of the blood vessels in the brain are so thin they're transparent. So the pressure system, when we get angry and when we get mad, when we're going to holding it in or letting it out, but we're in that rage or we're in deep fear,

or we're just, you know, a feeling out of control. This is impacting the internal pressure system of what's going on inside of the brain. And, you know, it's not healthy for the overall animal, the overall organism that we are biologically.

Such good tips, I feel like that's so helpful.

So I want to go back to your story. So suddenly you found yourself, you had awareness, but you didn't have any control, right? And you actually felt you were witnessing your brain shutting down.

What happened next? - What was really interesting to me was, you know, when we look at a human brain, it has these two hemispheres. And these two hemispheres process

different information in different kinds of ways. And the left hemisphere has language and language is me, my ability to create sound, dog, dog is a sound, and then we can comprehend what is that sound and what is the meaning of that sound.

We can read, we can write, we have mathematics, we can speak multiple languages. I mean, the left hemisphere is very, very busy place. And so the hemorrhage was happening in my left hemisphere. And so that left hemisphere would kind of go offline

for a little while. And I would drift into the present moment. Because the right hemisphere, it's just a right here right now machine. It is all about the present moment.

And in the present moment, my name is over there in my left hemisphere. The boundaries of where I begin and end as a human being over there in the left hemisphere. But right here right now is the richness

of the experience coming in through my sensory systems. And it feels like you foria. It's beautiful in the present moment because there's no judgment of what's right, what's wrong, what's good, what's bad,

it's just wow, I'm alive. So I, on the morning of the stroke, I would walk a walk back and forth between being in the present moment. Oh my gosh, I'm alive.

To, oh my gosh, I'm having a problem. I need to get myself help. And so eventually I did make a phone call. And I did get help. But by the time I got help, I had no language.

So I couldn't speak, and I thought I sounded like a golden retriever. The person listening to me, he sounded like a golden retriever. And it was like, fortunately, he knew it was me. He recognized my squawk. And then he did what he needed to do to get me help.

- So you thought that you were barking? I wrote her, I wrote more, I didn't have golden retrievers. They speak like, woo, woo, woo. I mean, they commune again.

“And that's how you feel, that's what you were trying to communicate.”

- It made no sense. - Were you afraid at this time, did you have fear? - No, I did not. I was very fortunate that part of the cells in that left hemisphere in the left emotional portion

of my brain were swimming in a pool of blood as well. And that would be my fear. - So I was fine, and I didn't really care. The right hemisphere doesn't really care.

I was motivated, but it had no information to be able

to attach myself to normal reality

“and do what I needed to do, engage in any way”

I needed to engage in order to take the steps to orchestrate my rescue. But between I waffled in and out of these two hemispheres, fortunately I did not have fear, but I did know I was in grave danger.

And right, after I'd finally made the phone call, I got on my butt and I went down my steps, and I unlocked my door, and I just crawled up into a little fetal ball. And I just heard inside my own mind,

I heard myself saying, hold on, hold on. And then I kept thinking, what am I holding on to? What does that even mean? Hold on, and it was like, don't leave the body. As soon as I'm out of the body, I felt like

I had become so disabled over a course of four hours

“that I was afraid that if I went unconscious,”

then I would never be able to get this body to work again,

because in the consciousness of the right hemisphere, I literally was energetically as big as the universe, because we are energy. And there's no boundaries in the energy. And when you're connected to all that is,

then it is that which becomes of interest and in that expansive openness, there were no details saying, oh my God, I'm gonna die, you know, and all that. You just knew that if you love your body,

you wouldn't be coming back. - I felt like I would be gone. - So, what happened next in terms of like, how did you get better, right? How did you get better?

What did you learn from this? And I know that you realize there's four characters in the brain so I want to talk about that. But just talk to us about what happened next and how you got better.

- So I landed, right as I was passing out, I was in an ambulance arriving at Mass General Hospital emergency room. And I literally fell, I was crawled up in a little fetal ball and I felt, I went unconscious.

I felt, I described it as, I felt my spirit surrender. At that point, I had no say, I was gone. And so within a few moments and I mean literally moments in they take my gurney out, I'm in the emergency room, bright lights,

people are on me, people knew I was coming. And it was just poker and prodding, give me, I, V, here sign this consent form,

“which I remember thinking, what's wrong with you, people?”

You know, it's like, like, it was just consent, right? Take our hand and make us verbal, I was ridiculous. But it was what it was. And so they took me into a room that gave me anti-inflammatories, they gave me steroids,

which are anti-inflammatory.

They already had at the first hospital

that I went to, they already had a CAT scan. They knew I was having a hemorrhage. They also knew that I was employed by Harvard. They are all Harvard Department of Neuro-Norology. So I was considered a VIP.

So I got, you know, I know that that helped me from their perspective. But so they stopped the bleed. And then they decided I needed to have brain surgery. And so two and a half weeks later, they come ahead open.

And they removed the blood clot that was a size of a golf ball. And they sent me up and sent me home and said we have no idea how much you will ever get back. But, you know, that's now your job is to try to recover. And I have a mother who's an absolute angel in my life.

And she dropped her world. And she came to me and she gave, she surrounded me within an environment of love and let's watch. And see, what could I learn? What was in the way of my learning?

And what could she do to rearrange and to literally teach me starting with, she recognized I was now an infant in a woman's body. And we began with, I couldn't see color. She had to teach me colors for different.

in order to be able to have language.

She had to teach me vocabulary. She had to teach me how to walk. I mean, she taught me everything. So she was reared me twice. Wow.

And what did this experience actually teach you about consciousness? I know that you feel like you learned a lot from it. Look, talk to us and realize that a lot of us don't think about consciousness at all.

So we're starting from, we don't. We don't think about consciousness at all. It's like, we just nobody knows how it works. Like, really? And so it's just something that is a nobody thinks about it.

“So I think these are really hard concepts for people”

to grasp, like, really quickly.

So explain it to us, like, we're infants. Like, what do you think consciousness is? So we start with a single cell. And that single cell has all the DNA blueprint that it's going to take to multiply itself

into all these different kinds of cells that will differentiate into specific functions. Like, you're going to start with that single cell. Then you're going to end up with three layers of cells, essentially, one of those layers of cells.

The act of Durham is going to become the nervous system, spinal cord, brain peripheral nervous system, as well as the skin. So it kind of envelops us. And then the major Durham is going to become the muscles.

And then the end of Durham is going to become

connective tissues and other types of tissues.

But all of this is a groups of cells that are differentiated.

“So eventually, we end up with this magnificent human brain.”

The human brain is divided into two hemispheres. It has two-- so the primary difference between a reptile and a mammal is the addition of our emotional system, called the limbic system. So reptiles don't have emotions, mammals have emotions.

And the primary difference between typical mammals in the human is this explosion of thinking cerebral cortex. So we humans, we have four major modules of cells inside of our head, two emotional, evenly divided

between the right hemispheres and the left hemisphere. And then two thinking modules of cells, the right thinking and the left thinking. And most of us have heard of the right hemispheres emotional and the left hemispheres thinking.

And that's simply not true anatomically. Anatomically, we have two emotional and two thinking modules of cells. So the primary difference then between the right and the left for me when I lost my left hemisphere

was I lost one linearity across time.

“So somehow or another, these amazing cells”

step out of the consciousness of the present moment. I mean, this is to me, this is the mind bar. How do they even do that, right? But the right hemisphere is right here right now, machine. So the emotions of the present moment experience,

which does it feel like to be alive as your audiences is listening, what are they doing? What does it feel like to be sitting or to be walking, to be moving your body? What does it feel like as you dive into water?

What does that feel like the experience? What is the temperature of the air or the water against your body? Is it pressure against you? What's happening, you know, the glass is on your nose.

What does those feel like if you focus on that feeling, you can feel that otherwise go pretty unconscious? So the right emotion is experiential. What does it feel like to be here? And then the right thinking is right here right now.

If I'm just in the right here right now, all I'm aware of is what is in front of me. Whatever behind me doesn't exist, whatever happened before this moment in time doesn't exist, including what is my name?

I don't know right here right now, unless I got a big name tag on the wall and front of me, but I don't have that kind of language. So the right experience, the right hemisphere's right here right now emotion and connected to all that is

because I don't have that boundary of where I begin and where I end because that's in that left hemisphere. So we access these parts of ourselves, the right emotion when we are experiencing something. I come from Indiana, we're big basketball, of course.

What does it feel like when you're getting ready to do a layout that feeling of lifting yourself up into the air, throwing that ball, the movement, the calculation of the brain of the arc that you have to make with that ball

in order to get it to go into the basket. So it's the experience of being.

And in this sense of oh my gosh, my life

“is this incredible gratitude of wow, I'm alive.”

And there are people here with me who love me. And it feels like love. And I listen to a podcast where you were speaking about how the close you were to your father. And when your father was ill and he had to go into the hospital,

your heart reached him and his love reached you, even though you couldn't be in the same space with one another. And it is in that that right thinking consciousness where we are beyond the limitations of ourselves.

And we are enveloping one another in this feeling of deep love. So the right hemisphere is right here right now. And then the left hemisphere, it's not right here right now. It, these cells in the emotional system step literally out of the consciousness

of the present moment. So I can say to you how, what did you have for dinner last night? - I had Asian food.

“Okay, where did you go in order to remember that, right?”

You don't have the Asian food right here in front of you. You have stepped out, you have left me here alone in the present moment. You have stepped into another consciousness that is constantly running in the background.

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It's so interesting, like I've never heard of this before, right?

All I ever hear about is left and right brain. So let's bust some pop psychology myths about the left verse right brain. What do we need to know? Well, number one is we only use 10% of our brain.

Now, if it's alive and it's in your head, you're using it. Now, you have a huge life. I mean, just consider for a moment. So here we have a population of entrepreneurs

who aren't generally thinking about their brain, right? However, in order for you to do everything that you do,

“you have to have brain cells that perform that function.”

Some people say to me, oh, I'm not creative at all. And I say, well, for some reason, you're using other cells to dominate the circuits in your right hemisphere that open you up to the possibility. And creativity is in the right hemisphere because it's not

about the box of what's right, what's wrong, what's good, what's bad, what has come before, and let's define it. That's the exact opposite of creativity. So, but if brain cells are like people, we're social.

They're social. They are a single cell can have 10 to 15,000 connections in an network with other neurons. 10 to 15,000, that is a social network. Talk about influencers, boy, it's those brain cells.

So they're busy in there. And it's same for humans. We are social creatures. And what happens to us if we don't socialize? Well, we become more rigid, we become more firm

in our right wrong, good bad, and we kind of curl up in little feet of balls and we die. And the same is true for neurons. So number one, if it's alive and it's in your head, you're using it.

The other biggest one is right hemisphere is emotional. Left hemisphere is thinking, and it's like, well, it is true that the left thinking is the rational, organized, analyze, linear thinking, methodical, that is true. But we do have emotion in both hemispheres.

So let's talk about how each side of the brain proceeds reality. I know you've been talking about it.

But again, like a lot of us are learning this for the first time.

So hearing it multiple times in different ways. I think it's helpful. So how does the left side perceive reality? How does the right side perceive reality? So as far as the medical, traditional medical world

is concerned, only one quarter of our brain is conscious. According to the traditional medical world, only one quarter of our brain is conscious.

OK, let's look at the condition of the world.

We're kind of a mess. We're killing each other.

“I mean, it is like what we value is just that one portion.”

So imagine the world we could live in. If we actually didn't think everything else was unconscious and out of our control. And so we didn't have to take any responsibility for it. Well, if I know what's going on in these four major portions,

modules of cells, and I have the power to recognize in any moment, which of those four parts I'm in, which character am I exhibiting in the world based on what those cells skill sets give to me. And in this moment, I'm exhibiting when I know all four.

It's kind of like a hand. If I just have a hand, and I'm flopping things and pushing things and smashing things,

and it's not very sophisticated.

But as soon as I can differentiate between those four digits of my hand, I have exponentially exploded my capacity to using that hand. And the same is true for our brain. So whole brain living is about figuring out

recognizing what parts am I using when? Do am I happy about that? Am I remotely in balance? Do I need a little more play in my life

“because my left circuitry is running all the time?”

And that's my stress circuitry. And it really has interfered with my relationships. And it drives me, but it is probably interrupting my sleep, as well, in my overall wellness. So as we look at these different parts of who we are,

then we can spread the love, essentially. And I'm not just a biological creature. I'm not a single cell to organism. I'm not a reptile, and I am not a canine. I am a human being.

And in the design of being a human being, we have these four different wonderful groups of cells that serve us. And if I want to be a whole successful human being, then I need to be capitalizing on the skill sets

of all four parts of who I am, because they're a natural part of the design for a reason. Yeah. So I just want to recap the four characters for everybody. Just so everybody's on the same page.

So you've got left thinking, which is about identity, planning, control, achievement. You have left emotional, which is pain, fear, trauma, and memory. You have right emotional, which is play, creativity,

and connection. And you have right thinking, which is witness, wisdom, and peace. Let's talk about these four characters as they influence an entrepreneur, because running a business is very different than being an entrepreneur.

And not always, especially not in this day and age.

There's a lot of overlap, because now a lot of entrepreneurs are running businesses.

“But I think it's kind of, are you going from the left brain,”

left thinking, here's my business, here's my brand, here's my product, these are the beans. I'm going to hire my bean counters. They're all about how much are we going to earn? I'm going to hire a creative team.

They're going to terrify us because they're going to come in and they're not going to give us any information about design other than we can guarantee you that if a woman is going to shop for this and reach for the product, she's going to pick this one

instead of that one. And the left brain is going, oh my god, that's terrifying. We have to change our whole production because you think, and it's like, yeah, that's where it goes. So we end up, all of our lives is about this relationship

between the right hemisphere and the left hemisphere. Entrepreneurs have to have creativity. I mean, isn't that what happens? I'm doing whatever I do, I'm relaxed. I'm thinking about something.

And it's like, oh my gosh, here is a great idea. Great idea, I got a great idea. And then it's like, well, if I don't act on that, great idea, the idea just goes back into the idea, pot and someone else may pick that out of that big,

that in the universe. So I have to turn on my left brain. I have to figure out, how am I going to do it? I have to organize it. I have to get funding for it. I have to step through A through Z in order to set the business

in order to be able to do it. And then I have to be able to figure out how to sell it. And I have to get out of my own fear because, oh my gosh, who am I to start a company? When I don't know anything, I'm over here have got the idea.

And now I got to trust people. Oh my gosh, I got to trust people. Nothing more terrifying than trying to pick your team and figure out who I trust, who I am not trust,

I don't want to have to fire somebody.

I'm an ice girl, all of that.

“So that really does require a whole brain.”

And then you have to have the vision. And the vision is going to be that right thinking that comes in and says, you can do this. You can do all these things. You have good, you have good intention.

You have good energy. You have good logical skills. You have good emotional containment. And you're never alone. And that's the beauty of whole brain living in

is to know that this part of our wisdom, this part of us that connects us with others and connects us within ourselves, that is always there.

So every time I experience fear that says,

who am I to do this? Who am I to say, the whole imposter syndrome thing, that little left emotional fear.

“There's always that wisdom-wise loving part”

that can come in and say, I got you right here inside of our own head. I got you. And that's not arrogant. And it's not narcissism.

It's an awareness that I have fear. And my fear is meant to be in formation. It's not supposed to become a lifestyle. So I'm not supposed to let those kinds of, excuse me, fear's come in and take over and derail me.

And then I get all caught up in that.

It's like, no, my fear is a warning

to take a bigger picture look at everything. And know that I got this, I'm okay. And I have this backfield of people who love me and who know me and who support me. And we're all in this together.

Now, would you say society as a whole is like really left brain dominant? And what part of the brain do you feel like if we all spent a little bit more time trying to understand and tap into, do you feel like would help solve a lot of the problems

that you were just talking about? Like the world feels, we are talking right now. It's like January, mid-January. The world is falling apart between ice and Gaza and Iran and Venezuela.

Like it just seems like one afternoon next. It just feels like we don't love each other anymore. So talk to us about why we're still left brain dominant and how we can become more right brain dominant or what do you think society needs to do?

- Yeah, so you're absolutely right. We are skewed to the values of the left hemisphere. And this has been going on for a very long time. It came in after World War II. The great generation came in and now it's like,

okay, now we want to prosper. And what we value is our family, which is right brain. But we also now need, we want to build our roots. We want the all-American dream. We want to have a house.

We want to have enough money in the bank to do what we want to do. We want to have vacation. I want a nice car, all these things. And then the great generation gave birth to the boomers. Of which I will admit, I am a tail end of the boomers.

And boomers, our parents wanted us to have everything. And they gave us everything that they could give us so that we could live a better life than what they had to go through. Because oh my gosh, they had to live through World War II.

And while did that completely change the landscape, especially of America. And because the U.S. ended up influencing World War II in a way that that war was won because of the atom bomb, it put us at the top of the powers of the world.

So now the U.S. is going to be a dictator of influence in the world because now we were thriving. And so everything happens then.

“And but here's something else that you need to think about.”

Is that the great generation had two very different hemispheres. And they had to show up and become disciplined and become organized in order to win that war. And everybody had to get on board in order to do that. And so the men went to the war, many women did as well.

But the women, they organized in the U.S. in order to be able to take over all the jobs. And so everybody became really, very pragmatic and very left-brain. And the whole system became very left-brain.

And then the wars over and everybody comes back. And then the boomers happen. And the boomers are also a left-brain dominant because we get that now from our parents. But then the boomers had children.

And the technology of what happened

“for the early millennials was the creation”

of really the first little robot.

It was a little teddy bear called Teddy Raspin. And this little teddy bear was the first little living creature that we would stick in the crib with our little millennials so that they could hear a heartbeat. Or they could hear a humming.

Or they could have a little language speaking back to them. So the millennials end up with a robot, essentially, a very, you know, three circuits. But a robot as their significant calmer, emotional contentment. And so then the Gen X, who are right behind the boomers

between the boomers and the millennials, this is a group of people who are still very left-brain, but they are technologically savvy. And they start making everything. They just, you know, all my genes--

I can always tell a Gen Xer.

“And the difference between a Gen Xer and a boomer”

is that the Gen Xers, they just say, just push buttons, just push buttons, and the boomers are gone. Oh, my God, I can't push a button. I'm afraid I'm going to explode it, right? So these are huge societal shifts in populations.

So the Gen Z, the Gen Xers, come along. And they're now making all this technology, all this technology. And our millennial children have our learning from technology. And here's what the difference.

If I give you a pad, and I pad-- and I say, I'm going to teach you the time tables. Well, anybody left-brain? We learn time tables. We memorize them.

That's all we did. We memorize them.

A two plus a two equals a four.

A six times a six equals a 36. We memorize them. But what we did for the millennials was we said two chickens, plus two goats, makes four animals. We gave you a visual, and we started training your right brain.

So the right brain became dominant with the millennial population. And when you think about in business, I have had so many millennials say, I don't get those boomers. I mean, it is like my way or the highway. And if I hate my job, I'm going to suffer

with it for 40 years because oh, my God, it's a paycheck. And the boomers are looking at the millennials going, I don't get these millennials. If they're not happy with their job, they're going to leave. And there's no commitment to the long term of the business,

which is going to make them suffer. So at the fundamental differences between these generations, it is huge right now about how these different age groups develop across time. And so the millennials actually are more connected.

They like to do things in groups. You want me to make a decision. I'm going to check with some of my team, right? Boomers weren't like that at all. Boomers were making decisions.

And if they were bad decisions, they were going to make the decision. So we end up during this point in our lifetime of the left dominant skewed to the left value structure now. What that means is that the millennials, even though they're different in the way that they've learned and grown and developed,

they're still fitting themselves inside of the boomer world. And the boomer world is one for profit. And all that matters is money. My value is money. You have learned that there's plenty of money.

The boomer mindset is some zero. I get it, or you get it. Very different. That's so interesting. And it's so obvious now why there's such differing politics.

Why I'm millennial in Gen Z are way more of a piece. No one against Gen Z against apartheid. All those things, whereas a lot of the boomers are for all those things, or believe everything they see on TV. And so let's not make that gross of an evaluation.

Let's say that the boomers are divided between their values, the Democrats.

“When I think about politics, I go to one thing.”

Texas, where do I want my tax money to go? What kind of things do I want my money to go to? The value of the right hemisphere says, I care about people. I care about social programs.

I care about food stamps for people who don't have any food.

I care about reforming the incarcerated population,

“so that these people can get back into it and get ahead again.”

And so the Democrats are really looking at the value structure of what does the right hemisphere value. And there are a lot of boomers who are Democrats. The Republican brain comes in and says, well, it's about me.

And me means, if there's a me, there's a you. And if there's a you, if you don't look like part of my tribe, then you're not on my team. And the left emotional brain comes online and says, well, we're tribal.

And in that tribalness, it's me against you.

And so we fuel this with our sports teams.

We fuel this with our political teams. We fuel this with any division. It is that left emotional brain that looks at someone and says,

“I am blonde here, blue eyed, I'm a female.”

OK, your black hair, you have a different hue colored your skin. And you're different from me. And the left brain says, because you're different from me, I'm going to push you away. And as soon as the brain says, I'm going to push you away

in racism, I'm also going to elevate myself, happens naturally, to being superior to you. So this is where actually wired at the level of ourselves to do this. The right brain comes in, though, and it says, you're different from me.

You have different color skin. You speak a different language. You eat a different kind of food that smells different. The right hemisphere says, oh, you're different, I am curious about you. I want to know you better.

So to me, racism really boils down to the circuitry, because every ability we have is because we're wired to be that way. But there is a whole half of the boomers who are what they are evenly divided in what they value. So would you say that you have control over which parts of the brain

that you use or which ones are stronger than the other,

or is it something basically you're just born with or you,

it happens instills in you and your child at what point can you change it, and when does it develop? OK. Because we are taught by society, by the traditional medical world, that only a quarter of our brain is conscious,

then that leaves three quarters of our brain as unconscious. OK. Well, now you have a brain scientist who was at Harvard, teaching and performing research about how does our brain create our perception of reality and wiped out

her left thinking tissue, which was the conscious part, and left wiped out the left emotion, wiped out the right emotion. So all I had left was the right thinking tissue. So that's all I had. So I learned, well, in the absence of all that,

those other cells, this is what's going on here. And then once I had surgery and I could then begin to function again and hold some energy inside of my body, so I could actually learn something, then I regain the skill sets of the right emotional tissue.

So I'm really clear that was very different. That portion of who I am, that is a whole different level of consciousness. And then it's like, OK, well, if I'm going to function like a normal human being in society, I have to get my language back. And so I used my right brain to rebuild the skill sets that I knew

that I had lost because I was a neuron atomist after all. I know because I could still visualize the language circuits. I could still visualize the emotional circuits. I just didn't have any of them anymore. So it's like, OK, well, what do I need to do in order

“to reconstruct and rebuild those circuits so they can become functional again?”

So then I regained a new reboot for the emotions. But I used what I had in my right hemisphere to rebuild those skills in my left hemisphere. And so I learned what's going on in these different parts of cells. And so then it's like, OK, well, I have the power to choose.

I can choose in an instant. I can become very angry. I can hit those left emotional. I can become very analytical and do some mathematics with you. I can become very experiential and playful and joyful and creative in an instant.

I don't know if you noticed, but there was a skip in my language.

“Because the language shuts out because I become actually in the present moment.”

There's no language there. So because I had this experience, I gained this insight. And then I gave a TED talk.

And it was the first TED talk that ever went viral.

It was in 2008. And that exploded Joe Bolte Taylor into the world and TED into the world. So that became this really interesting thing. And then I was chosen as one of the time magazines. One hundred most influential people in the world.

Because they recognized what this meant to the bigger picture of humanity. And then my book, which I had already written, my stroke of insight ended up spending 63 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list. So all of that happened. And I'm now writing this way.

Go in little girl from Indiana who had a stroke, all of a sudden exploding in the world. And it's like, well, I didn't plan for that. And so I had to write that tsunami of a wave.

And then I actually, but I always felt like that TED talk was a miss.

Because people walked away with a reference for me. And I didn't need their reference. I was connected to the universe. I wanted people to have a reference for themselves and for their own lives and for the lives of others.

Because that would have shift the value of more and more more into the relationships that we have with one another in our right hemisphere. So my ultimate goal, there's nothing wrong with capitalism. There's nothing wrong with money. But that's a quarter of who we are.

It shouldn't be all of who we are.

“And I truly believe that the driving force power of us as human beings”

is our present moment interrelationships with ourselves and others as humanity.

And then we have these brilliant left brain skill sets that allow us

to do all these magnificent things that they do. So we have about 10 minutes left together. And I feel like we should spend the last 10 minutes just talking about how we can better use the right set of our brain. Like, what do we need to do?

How do we catch ourselves when we're using our left brain? And how do we just build the habits to naturally start using our left brain more? Well, what do you do for fun? I like to work out. I like to go out to dinner. I like to go to the movies.

Spent time with my boyfriend. Okay. So you like to work out. You like to get into your body. The right hemisphere is the relationship, the experiential. What does it feel like?

Now, if you're off doing yoga and you're in your down dog and you're thinking to yourself, okay, let's see. I'm going to have this conversation with this person and I'm doing my yoga now. And but these are the three things that you know, I'm analyzing what I'm going to be doing some other time.

That doesn't count.

“You need to bring your mind to the present.”

So how do you bring your mind to the present? And so if you're doing something physical, be physical. Be there. Listen to music. Get your groove going.

Get the movement. Get a collective hole. Get the whole body awake. Because you are this magnificent biological creature. You're not just a brain.

So I really encourage people to do things that require them not just to go and compete. If everything you do when you're in your body is competing, you're still in your left brain. No, I want you to actually enjoy the fact that you have a body. And that, oh my gosh, it can move. And that, oh my gosh, when the head goes one way,

oh, isn't that interesting, the hips go the other way and oh my gosh, my parts are interactive. So get into your body. That's going to be the right experiential part of who you are. Play, laugh, have joy, be creative, be creative without a purpose, just be creative. So pay attention, and now all those left brains that left thinking portion of the brain,

they're listening to this podcast going, that's a total waste of time. Why on earth do I want to go in waste time? Was the reason why you want to go waste time is because that's where your genius is. Genius is in the right emotional tissue. The left brain, let's just do do do do linear linear linear to do to do.

Cross it off the list, jabber more, build more, make more blah blah blah.

and to do something in a way that is different from the way it was done before.

“So that's number one, get your experiential.”

You know, when you're eating, actually think about your food. Don't be just like watching a movie or doing something or being on the phone and being distracted. If you're going to fuel your beautiful cells, think about what you're feeding them. And if you're standing up and doing something else while you're eating, that's not being in the present moment, having the experience with food.

It's a pause. This is the pause to the go-go-go. So if you don't feel yourself pausing and then some people are going, I don't like the pause.

The pause feels like death to me.

It's like, well, that's okay, you know, boom. We're only pausing for like, try for five seconds, think about your breath. You know, there's why a lot of people do yoga, a lot of people do breath work. Well, why? Because when we breathe, we breathe in the present moment. And in the present moment, I can really simple.

I can increase the frequency of my breath, the amplitude, the depth of my breath. I can hold my breath. Human is the only animal who can, you can say, hold your breath and you can hold your breath. So really bring in your mind into the present. And so that's the do-do.

But then there's this spiritual connection.

And I know a lot of people say, "Ooh, the word spiritual, you just freaked me out." And it's like, "So call it whatever you want, but it's that sense of awe that I existed all." Oh my gosh, I was born. I have a life. I have a voice. I have manual dexterity. I even have bladder capacity. Oh my gosh, if I can't get excited about the fact that I have bladder capacity,

then I'm not paying attention to the miracle of what we are as living beings. And how grateful I am that I'm here in this world at the same time you are. And oh my gosh, look at you. And look at how wondrous you are and all the things that you can do and wow. I mean, I mean, wow, it's just a big wow.

And it's the feeling that one gets when you stand on a mountain top. And you just look out over those mountains and the vastness and the openness. And it's, it's the part that we're standing on a beach. And it's like, "Oh my gosh, I'm alive." And I have this time here in this form in this place.

And I can do anything. I can do anything I want to do.

“What do I want to do and who do I want to be with and how do I want to connect?”

And how do I want to bring my gratitude into my life? And if I can hold on to that and I come from that place, then I'm going to be more consciously aware of what I'm building over here. And how much time I'm spending in that beautiful left hemisphere. This is not about be a right brain or be a left brain.

This is about being a whole human being a whole brain. And fueling all these different parts of who we are and loving all these parts of who we are. Or after everything that you've lived through and been through, what do you want people to understand about who they really are? I want them to understand that every ability we have,

we have brain cells that perform that function. And that this brain is this really precious, vulnerable thing. So I encourage people to take care of it. We exist in a society where we do drugs and alcohol that just, you know, I lost my mind. I lost so much of my brain and I worked so hard to rebuild it that I, you know,

I'll drink a beer, maybe twice a year and love it. But that's enough for me because I want to preserve and protect what's going on inside of my head.

“And I think that if people really value this all four skill sets of what these”

four different parts of their brain bring to their life, they will see that they can truly live a life on purpose and that they can gain the power to in any moment be who they want to be. To me, that's freedom. Mm-hmm.

I totally agree. Well, this is such an awesome episode. I feel like we learned so much. It was just an influx of information. I personally learned so much.

I did not know the major differences between the left and right brain previously.

So I and my show with two questions. I ask all of my guests. The first one is what is one actionable thing are young and profiters can do today to become more profiting tomorrow. So just an actionable tip and I know your expertise is around the brain.

So can be related to that. So I am and since your population is entrepreneurial and probably spends most of its time doing the hard work of the left brain, I think that the actionable is to pause every now and again and ask yourself, which part of my brain am I in right now and what choices do I want?

Do I want to stay there? And this is also for if I become upset. Our emotional reactivity. We have the power to watch an emotion. We have a thought it stimulates the circuit of an emotion.

The emotion stimulates the circuit of physiological response. And from the beginning to the end takes less than 90 seconds. So if I'm staying angry for longer than 90 seconds or sad or jealous or whatever for longer than 90 seconds, then I need to ask myself, do I really want to stay in that loop? Or am I ready to let it go?

I love that and that was also like getting outside of yourself like you were mentioning before.

“And what would you say your secret to profiting in life is?”

So profiting is can go beyond finance and business? I truly believe that our number one job is to love one another. And I think if we come from that and we have in our mind that whatever I'm going to use my energy on benefits all of us, then we all profit.

Dr. Jill, thank you so much for your time. Where can everybody learn more about you and everything that you do? Dr. Jill Taylor.com is my website and and off we go. Amazing. I'll put all those links in the show notes. Thank you so much for your time.

It's been nice. I thank you so much. I was looking forward to this. Yeah, likewise. Well, yeah, fam, what an incredible conversation with Dr. Jill. And I'm still processing everything we learned about the brain today

and consciousness be covered so much ground. And it's something that I don't often think about. But I do think about and studying productivity and performance

and I've always thought about optimizing my brain.

But Jill showed me that we've been missing three quarters of the picture. We've been taught that only our left brain thinking is conscious. But that left us running on a single cylinder. When we have four powerful cylinders or characters inside our heads. And here's what really struck me.

Your genius is not hiding in your to-do list or your relentless productivity. It lives in your right hemisphere or right side of your brain. In the present moment and play in creativity without purpose like Jill said. When you're grinding through your day, checking off task, effort task, analyzing everything,

you're stuck in that left brain loop. You don't want to be there because when you pause, get in your body and actually taste your food instead of scrolling through emails while you're eating,

“that's why all your breakthroughs are going to happen.”

And I just love how Jill explained our four characters. Once you recognize which one is running the show in any moment, you can gain the power to choose differently in that moment. You can say, hey, I want to use more of my right side of my brain right now. And I know it's my left side dominated.

When that left emotional fear kicks in, the imposter syndrome, the whom I to do this, you can tap into your right thinking wisdom that says, "I got you, you could do this." And that's not arrogance, that's just accessing your whole brain. That's whole brain living.

For my fellow entrepreneurs grinding now and stop, remember what Jill said. Your drive and your ambition are beautiful, but it's just one quarter of who you are. The magic happens when you balance that hustle with presence, play, and connection. So get out of your head and into your body, move without competing,

create without analyzing breath in the present moment.

And here's something crucial.

You also want to know the warning signs of a stroke. Speech problems, tingling, memory issues, balanced trouble, severe headaches, vision changes, these are all signs. And if migraines won't respond to medication, get scant, your brain is precious. We want you to protect it.

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