Inside Lindsay Clancy's Home

of suicide and the killing of children, so please listen or watch with care.

“We'll have resources at the end of the episode.”

So we asked her, you know, how are you feeling horrified, and then she wrote down, "Do I have an attorney?" And I said with my team that at this time we're just getting to know you and getting to know the case, and we're not sure exactly what is happening. And we asked her, "Do you have questions for us?" And she asked, "Is my body broken? Are my legs straight?" That was Dr. Gillum Biss Was, a psychiatrist from Brigham and Women's Hospital.

This was consulted on Lindsay Clancy's treatment in January 2023 after the then 32-year-old mother killed her three children and harmed herself at the family's ducksberry Massachusetts home.

“This is a trial that is so hard to watch and yet it's hard to look away from.”

As a reminder, Lindsay is on trial for three counts of first-degree murder, but this is not a case

of did she do it? But why? Her defenses arguing that she should not be held criminally responsible for the deaths of her children by reason a mental disease or defect that she was suffering from postpartum psychosis at the time, exacerbated by the medication she was taking. Under Massachusetts Law, jurors will have to decide whether Lindsay knew that what she was doing was wrong at the time of the deaths, but also whether she had control of her actions at that time.

Clearly, it's a complex case. Opening statements began on July 27 with a trial expected to last several weeks. This week, jurors heard passages from Lindsay's journal as well as testimonies from doctors and nurses about Lindsay's medical treatment and the efforts to save her three young children, Korra, Dawson, and Calen. We've been following this case closely and we covered

the first week of the trial in our last episode. For our continuing coverage, you can check the

case by case feed wherever you find your podcasts or you can watch on the 48 hours YouTube channel. I'm 48 hours correspondent Erin Moriarty and this is case by case. Joining me today is Christina Rex. She's a reporter and anchor for Boston CBS Station WBC TV. Christina, thanks for being here. I know that you're coming right after a long day of court or at least almost two weeks of being in court. Almost two weeks now. Thank you for having me. Well, you've been covering this case

literally from day one. You were actually reporting from the Clancy Home on the night of January 24th, 2023 when these deaths occurred. And you have been present in the courtroom at some extremely intense moments. You heard Patrick Clancy's testimony. His chilling 911 call along with testimonies

“from first responders on the scene. So my first question, honestly, is about you. How are you doing?”

This is this has to have been tough on you. Yeah, I mean, thank you for asking that 911 calls going to stick out in my mind for sure as the most harrowing thing I've ever heard in my 10 years of reporting. And this case has not been easy to cover. As you know, we're supposed to kind of remove ourselves from our coverage, but off maybe at the end of the day, but this is just one that's stick with you. I curious how you would describe what the mood was like in the courtroom, particularly

during that 911 call or even during Patrick's testimony. Yeah. So about the 911 call, just a reminder that Patrick Clancy's request, the judge ruled that that 911 call could not be recorded to distribute. So the mood in the room, it was solemn. It was really tense. It was emotional. You could fear a pin drop. And there were several people shedding tears when the six and a half minute call wrapped up. There were members of the public, even some jurors who you could seek frying and then

Lindsay Clancy herself was loudly sobbing when that call finished playing. And since then, you know,

less emotionally driven than the 911 call in the early days. I understand that Lindsay was first brought

to the ER at South Shore Hospital. And then later was transferred to Brigham and Women's because she needed for the treatment. The children were brought to Beth Israel, Plymouth's ER. What can you tell us about the testimonies from physicians first, the one who treated Lindsay, when she got to the

“hospital, give me some sense of our injuries. Were you surprised by the extent of some of her injuries?”

We had known about some of Lindsay's injuries from her defense attorney. And this week, we got to hear from some of the ER doctors who treated Lindsay at South Shore Hospital. And then prosecutors also questioned psychiatrists from Brigham and Women's with assessed Lindsay's mental state shortly after that night. Now, most of the questions we heard from the prosecution and defense were about treatment. We heard about rounds of CPR that had been used to attempt to

revive the children. We had heard about the marks found on their bodies that were consistent with strangulation. And then also, of course, if you mentioned the injuries from Lindsay's body, so Lindsay did the same serious injuries to her spine. They left her paralyzed. She still paralyzed today from the waist down. We're used to prize out here the discussion about coding that she actually went into cardiac arrest. I had not known that. I had known that from her defense

attorney, so it wasn't surprising to me, but I understand that it may have been surprising to the public. All people knew about what had happened was an alleged suicide attempt. I don't think

the extent of the injuries, including cardiac arrest that first 24 hours in the hospital. I don't

“think that was very publicly known. And let's talk about the children, which I think is very”

difficult to talk about. On Monday, the prosecution called to the stand, the ER physician who treated Dawson and Callon Clancy when they were rushed to Beth Israel that night. And the physician who treated Korah also testified. The doctors went into great detail about the children's conditions and the efforts the heroic efforts to try to save them. These children were only, you know, Korah was five years old Dawson three and Callon eight months old being brought into

the ER with severe injuries. How difficult was that for people in the court to hear? And particularly for Lindsay who was sitting there? Yeah, I mean it was really hard for everybody in the court to hear these life-saving efforts, but Lindsay was visibly upset, especially when they were speaking about the youngest talent, because he regained consciousness after CPR, but he was eventually

“declared dead because his brain never regained function. That was after a few days. And I've also”

noticed in the courtroom that Lindsay doesn't look at pictures of her kids. So she has an evidence screen that's right in front of her at her seat, but often when pictures of her children are up on that screen during these testimonies, she looks at her lap instead of at the screen. The prosecution also entered some pretty graphic pictures of Lindsay from that night showing pictures of her neck and wrist where they were cut. What argument? What is the point of the prosecution

showing these photos to the jury? There's been a lot of testimony about these photos and prosecutors are trying to make the case that Lindsay Plancy's suicide attempt was overdramatized, but this goes directly to prosecutor's attempts to show the jury that Lindsay was in her right mind. That she used a suicide as part of her plan. You know, some of the testimony the prosecutors have elicited. It's focused on calling the

cuts that she made to herself superficial and playing that she didn't cut deep enough to actually kill herself. The defense of course pushed back on that questioning the doctor's full recollection of Lindsay's injuries, and then also this week, prosecutors had elicited some testimony

suggesting that Lindsay may be hung or leaned from her second story window,

rather than actually jumping out of it. Now, a reminder that is what led to her breaking her spine and ultimately the paralysis that she has to bear. What is Toyota Fortability? It all starts with buying smart and your Toyota dealer has great deals available to qualify to customers on reliable cars and SUVs, including the redesigned RAV4, spacious Grand Highlander, sporty cameras, and Corolla's. It means driving for less,

with efficient hybrid and plug-in hybrid options available throughout the lineup, extending your overall driving range and delivering great MPGs, saving you money at the pump,

and has the best resale value brand according to Kelly Bluebook, your Toyota can be worth thousands

“more than average when it's time to trade in. That's Toyota Fortability.”

Buy smart, drive for less, and trade for more. Shop Toyota.com or your local dealer for deals and details. Vehicles projected resale value is specific to the 2026 Maliere for more information visit Kelly BlueBooksKBV.com. Toyota brand average resale value is 53% versus the average vehicle 45%. Toyota, let's go places. Candest of Shopify.com.

Christine, out this week, the jury's game more insight into Lindsay's state of mind on those days leading up to the desk by going through her journal. In it, she wrote about everything from financial guilt to the difficulties of raising her children to her worries about returning to work.

“In court, we actually heard excerpts of some of those journal entries that were read aloud,”

and let's play some of these, first an entry that was read to the jury by one of the

prosecutors at Shannon Buckingham, and then one by Lindsay's defense attorney, Kevin Rattington. That page reads, "It's like I'm so desperate to get a mental break from taking care of everyone that my mind is trying to make something physically wrong with me," you recall reviewing that in the journal. Yes. I'm completely overwhelmed trying to take care of the three kids. I feel like I'm drowning every day, again, another page that's not dated. Correct. At some point, there are

some dated pages in this journal where to say, right? Yes. And there's one on November 18th.

And just November 18th, that page reads, "It's like I'm so desperate to get a mental break from

taking care of everyone that my mind is trying to make something physically wrong with me," you recall reviewing that in the journal. Yes. Christina didn't, the defense also made some references to our mental state at the time. Let's play that exchange here. She wrote, "I have crazy brain fog. I feel like I can't make a plan. I can't carry it out. Like I just live moment to moment, waiting for the next nap time. I'm terrified of cow getting over tired now because I feel

I can't help him." She wrote that, right? Correct. She then wrote, "I'm really worried about going back to work and not being able to function with the brain fog. I feel like I should start with a four-hour shift and see how I do. I can't tell if I am withdrawing from adivine and benadrill or is this my new baseline. I feel completely disconnected with my baby. I feel like I'm going through the motions every day." She wrote that, right? Correct. Christina, it appears that both sides,

both the prosecution and the defense, are using these same entries to make their case.

“How did you think this could aid or hurt the defense's argument?”

At the end of the day, it really depends on how the jury interprets these notes at Lindsay wrote. So, prosecutors say Lindsay was so overwhelmed that she just wanted out of her life completely and that she was allegedly so controlling that she wanted to take her children with her. So, will the jury believe that from hearing these journal entries or will they believe the defense is interpretation? That Lindsay was struggling with severe postpartum anxiety and depression

and that she was making every effort to get help and be there for her family until she snapped one day. We've heard through the trial from many professionals who speak about Lindsay from a very clinical outsider's perspective. But then this week, we got more of a sense of who the Clancy family was from inside the home. Wednesday of this week, we actually heard from Clancy's family's former nanny. I want to play some of her testimony. Did you come to find out that Lindsay

was having some issues? I didn't. Did she talk to you about that? She didn't. And what did she tell you about her issues? She shared with me that she was suffering from postpartum. Now, when she shared this information with you, had you noticed anything different about her demeanor or her presentation around the house? I didn't at all. I observed a wonderful mom who loved her kids who was, she was very concerned with their safety. She was very

Nanny took care of the kids between September and December of 2022, just about a month before

“the deaths of those kids. And on the sand, she spoke about the kids personality and Lindsay's”

parenting. During that testimony, Lindsay seemed to be very emotional. Yeah, it actually looked like Lindsay was crying throughout this testimony. She had her head in her hands and you could see her shoulders shaking and she was pulling tissues to wipe her eyes. And she specifically became visibly emotional when a very short video that the nanny had taken of baby cowland drinking a bottle played on the evidence TV. I can't imagine what was going through her head at that moment

to hear all these kinds of things about herself and the kids. You know, I wasn't in the courtroom.

I'm watching, you know, through the TV and the camera shows Lindsay after, well, it's actually right after the nanny had said something wonderful about her parenting. And it didn't look like Lindsay was even looking at her. And I was a little surprised by that. It looked like she was looking down because it was very sweet testimony from this woman who was a nanny who said she loved Lindsay.

“I said that quoted because I loved Lindsay. I think at that point, the video of the baby had”

already played and there had already been some descriptions of the children's personalities and also Lindsay has a mother and Lindsay seems to have already kind of gotten emotional and have a face in her hands. So you're right that at that point, she didn't look back up. This was near the end of the nanny's testimony. And again, Christina, I can't see what's going on in the courtroom you can. And I was curious, it doesn't look like she is participating very much in her own defense.

Is it am I just unable to see it? No, you're correct. Every now and then her lawyer will ask for a question. But she certainly is just their listening, often crying, often looking down. When the more technical testimonies happening, she tends to watch the witness and actually look. But you certainly in the courtroom don't see her strategizing or contributing or offering information to her lawyer throughout the course of testimony. And then just one other question about her,

you and I both sat through a lot of trials. I have never seen a defendant cry or seem as visibly

upset by the evidence, even refusing to look at things. Do you see the same thing? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it's certainly unusual. But at the same time, isn't that part of the unique nature of this case? You know, you have a defendant here, Lindsay Clancy, who's lawyer says she admits

“what happened. She admits what she did. So I think that that brings the whole new layer of emotion”

into the case. You know, she claims that she had a postpartum psychosis episode when this happened. So if now she then her right state of mind, you might expect to see those emotions. So one Tuesday, we also heard from over a half dozen forensic scientists at the Massachusetts State Police Crime Lab. The prosecution and defense asked about, of course, the medications in Lindsay's system that night. They talked about the blood that was found on the night that she used

to cut herself. And then it was interesting, the bloods batters that were found on the interior and exterior of the Clancy home. I just want to play a bit of their back and forth here because you're going to hear from both the prosecution and then the defense. And defense couple, after you about the red band stains on the window still, the one on the exterior of the interior and asked if it could be from someone leaning out the window, correct? Correct. Could it also be from someone

hanging out the window holding onto in those spots? Correct. When they be drops, and you know, if somebody was bleeding significantly from cuts on their wrist to the extent that one of the marks on the shingle you said had a grippa, right? That's it. So depending on the amount of blood where that contact is coming into place is what is deposited. So if somebody was going to claim out the window and hang on the ledge and then what like you're doing a spider-man and go down

the side of the shingles, they would leave a smeared going all the way down and the shingles wouldn't it? If they came in contact the entire way down, yes, there would be a transfer all the way down. What does it appear, Christina, that the prosecution is trying to do with these blood stains

the validity of Lindsay's suicide attempt, which we had spoken about. In the courtroom,

“you could really sense Kevin Reddington's frustration with this line of questioning as we just”

pertinent, fighter-man reference there. Well, I want to make another point here because I've really noticed it during this trial. It's pretty clear so far that the defense attorney is not waiting to put on his case. You know, I have seen examples over and over again of Kevin Reddington using cross-examination to make some pretty strong points for the defense. I want you to listen to another example of this in this clip. Do you recall collect the knife? Yes. Why would you collect the

knife as part of the crime scene response? Excuse me. There's no objection to any of the

physical evidence. I'm going to allow this line of inquiry just to kind of put things in perspective.

I mean, Christina, you hear him in certain time and time again, points that he wants to make, that you hear him at times saying that Lindsay how how ill Lindsay was when she got to the hospital, he sounds so frustrated at times. Where do you think this tension is coming from? Is this real or is this just a, you know, a defense boy? It could be both to be fair. The feeling has been a theme of the trial. Lindsay's defense attorney Kevin Reddington hit actually offered before the trial

even started to stipulate that she admits to killing her kids in the exact manner that prosecutors claim that she did. In return, he wanted this trial focused only on her criminal responsibility and her mental health issues. Now, at the time, prosecutors actually objected to that idea and the judge ruled against it, meaning that we're seeing what we're seeing now. Prosecutors are still putting on a case where they're proving every little detail and evidence about the actual murders,

“despite the fact that Lindsay Plancy has more or less confessed to them. And I think that's why”

you can see her lawyer getting frustrated as certain testimony comes up. But our legal analyst have also said it would be a little bit of grandstanding for him to kind of play to the jury. So at the end of last week, the trial was actually brought outside the courtroom. Members of the

jury were taken to three locations that were crucial to the events of January 24, 2023. First,

they were taken to the CVS where Lindsay's husband, Patrick picked up meds for Kora, then the restaurant where he got the takeout and then lastly, the jury was taken to the side of the killings, the Clancy family home. Again, we've been talking about cases you've covered, is this kind of trip typical for a trial? And why do you think it was so important for the jury to actually go to the scene of these deaths? Yes, so they call it a jury view and it actually is

very typical in a criminal case as like this. So the judge takes the jurors to view the premises or the property related to the case. When they're there, the prosecution may point out the

“essential features of the location. You know, just wear things are located certain rooms,”

but no comment or discussion is allowed in that time. There are no witnesses who are heard and jurors are not allowed to have any questions or even discuss amongst themselves. And the presence of the defendant in a criminal case, that's left of the judge's discretion. So in this instance, Lindsay was not present because according to her attorney, she chose not to be just because her paralysis, she's wheelchair bound. It was just too much to plan logistically

to get her to all three locations. But observations that are made by the jury in the judge on a view may be used by the jury. The finder of fact, when they start making a decision in this case, in this case, it was interesting because the current owners of the Dutchbury home and new family, they didn't want jurors allowed inside the property, but last week, Judge Blaine Sullivan, who's overseeing this case, he ordered them to allow access to the premises for the purposes of

the view. So in this case, three groups of six or 18 jurors were taken inside the home, one group at a time. They were given specific instructions. You know, not to touch anything, not to open any drawers. But part of that is just being able to see the context of where an event happened. You know, it's all described in four, but then when jurors get to see it for themselves, it kind of puts things in perspective for them. In particular, in this case, going to the other two locations,

not just the house, a big part of the testimony has been about the amount of time that Lindsay spent at home alone with the kids who allegedly commit these crimes. And the reason that the jury is able to experience that is by taking the same journey that Patrick Clancy did, you know, going to CVS, going to the take-up restaurant and going back to the house. That's the exact route that he took

you come across jury views like this and how do you think they helped the prosecution?

“Well, I haven't seen it very often. I think I've only seen a jury go to the scene of a crime”

one time, and that actually surprises me. Because if you look at this specific case, I think the jurors are going to be really interested, interested, since there is, you know, a difference. The prosecution is saying that she carefully planned to go out the window while the defense is saying she threw herself out the window. I think the jurors would want to actually see the home. And I think it often puts the crime scene or the dust scene in context.

And in perspective, in this case, right? I mean, they've seen pictures of the window on the

back of the house and they've been told how high it is off the ground, but to see it in person is

“certainly different. What are you expecting to come out of, you know, the rest of this week and the”

coming weeks? So, of course, more of the trial is going to have to focus on Lindsey State of mind. We have to hear from the doctors and nurse practitioners who've treated her for psychiatric issues before the murders. And then also some additional providers who continue to treat her after the murders happened. That has yet to happen. And the defense attorney actually told me that he doesn't know for sure if prosecutors are going to call,

who's like, I addressed from before the children's death, but if they don't people. Well, because don't you expect the defense to kind of put the medical profession on trial as well? Oh, absolutely. I mean, that's really the central argument of the defense in this case. Is that Lindsey was so over-medicated that she experienced psychosis? We look forward to covering this in our next episode on the trial. Christina, thank you. We're very grateful that you could join us this week to share

your experiences inside that courtroom. I've been thinking about this because even though this trial has been so hard to watch, you know, everyone I know has been talking about it. And I and I feel the people have become really invested in this case. And the reason why might just be because did you mention it at the very beginning? It is so rare for a mother to kill her children. It is so rare that we actually remember the names of other mothers, like Andrea Yates and Texas,

who killed her five children. And yet, here we are back again. I actually had a conversation about this this week. I covered another case here in Massachusetts. It was on Christmas Day several years ago where a mother threw her two children off of a garage roof and then jumped into her own mind.

So something that would never go on trial because she died in that suicide attempt. But when you

fear a case like this, there's so rare but it's really hard to hear it and not immediately think of other similar situations. And I'm hoping that this makes people talk about this issue.

“I think that is the one of the best reasons for putting a trial like this on television and talking”

about it is to let other people know that there is help. Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right. If there can be any silver lining in the case, this horrific, maybe the conversation around mental health is it. Thanks again, Christine. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Now we want to take this opportunity to say that if you or someone you know, maybe experiencing a mental health crisis, please contact the 988 suicide and crisis life line. Just call or text

988. And if you're pregnant or you've just had a baby, you can dial or text the national maternal mental health hotline at 1 833 TLC Mama MA and we'll be back next week with another episode of Case by Case. Be sure to rate and review and let us know which cases you're following and which cases you like us to follow. You know, you have a duty to defend that belt against the best and you're looking at them.

If you want this belt, come to the cage.