Peruzzi on Losing His Mom, Industry, Making “Assurance” & “Risky” w Davido | Afrobeats Intelligence

What's in between them not being able to give me that in lies, why I'm special? I had just lost my mom when I met them. So, we, on that on a true brotherly level, say, it wasn't music at all. It wasn't music, it was a brother I wanted to put you on, I wanted to put you on. When I came, I knew I was going to, I knew I was going to write, I knew I was going to be a writer.

Because I don't think I know how to say. I just think, I know how to make your nasty, really pay me if you pay me if you pay me if you pay me if you pay me if you pay me if you pay me like. It's like, Joey, I've written songs back to back to back to back four years. At least in 365 days, there's one that my name is that big.

So, I've never not been bad.

“That's how you would say about me, that you just stole all these, that back in the days.”

We can never take this creative part every phone. And in put on music for like three years ago, they took up pen game. They're calling me anyway. I don't know. I want even, I did to the branch myself on this album. But for that's the honest, you know. Yeah, I know, I, I know, I know I feel I'm not saying it, but I never show up. And you say something successful like, bro, what if me, I'm okay with one stream, my guy?

To, to, to, to more, do, when it comes to my name, do always put the respect on my name. I was like, my name was still be my name. It's only very easy out there. Hey, what are my people with your boy Parisian? Yes, I just spoke my truth on Afrobeat intelligence. Joey, I can. Afrobeat intelligence presented by OK Africa. democratizing African music with Joey, I can't.

OK, good to see you, Father.

Yeah, same here much. He always good to see you.

We've always wanted to do this. Yeah, it's just not been the right time.

“He's the only thing. Oh, about that. Maybe I wasn't ready.”

Yeah, I wasn't ready for this, this thing is when I do them, I usually think when he happens is the right time. Right time. Yeah, it likes the thing does. Yeah. And what's interesting about this time is how you are going through or you're bringing the world into your artistic transformation. Yeah, I listen to Maddie. That was radically different.

What is going on in Paris is artistic world? Where are you on this journey? I like the question was going on because a lot went on. We had to, we had to find ourselves. Yeah, me like I had to go back and I'm sitting down and thinking and be like. What would Paris really do?

Unless of what's trending or was in play wasn't how it was. What if what it feels like is the right thing to do? Because I don't want to be boxed. Yeah. Even though I'd need to go carry it without some points because it's bringing a lot of money and stuff. I really don't want to be boxed up.

I have to go through and get through that face to get here.

So there's the part where you really understand why I was even created in the first weeks.

Yeah, that's that. And why I decided to do this music game and where I'm out to get it, especially. Well, what happened to get you to a place where you felt like you had to hit the next, you had to hit the next level or hit the next gear. A few days, I was hearing myself a lot.

And what does that mean? For example, I got scared myself a lot. You got too many copycats. I wouldn't call it copycats because you know when you're doing something that's good, I don't think there's a problem with it. But I felt like it was hacked.

Yeah, I felt like I was hacked. Okay, they know the pin-out and I mean there's a good thing. I needed to do something else. I needed to do me because that was actually nothing. That was the game I met and tried to like find my way through. But isn't it flatrated when people, when something you've created has come into the world,

“and inspired a ton of people, it is very, what does it hurt to the pocket?”

What does that do to the pocket? No, of the creator. What does that do?

But I don't think you'd want to just be the unbelegant.

“You don't be like nobody, don't know this people.”

You're just the city drum, you know. I don't have a problem with people messing with the style. That is loving it enough to create something that sounds like this or writes to sound like this person. It means pictures, the way this person paints pictures and stuff. I don't have a problem with it.

But I don't feel comfortable. I don't feel like I'm dawn. I don't feel, I don't feel like does it. I feel like it doesn't not, it doesn't, the joining has anyone started to get me.

So you say, this isn't you and for years you have been all the time that we've known you.

You have been working with the system you saw in place. I got carried away as well. And you got carried away, so let's talk about the system. I understand what that system is. So what I mean by that is, you know how, for example, you know how my piano came though.

Yeah. And everyone hoped to join it. And join it to the point where, and join it to the point where it's a drop it's a problem. So I got it up my way, trying to do something else was a problem. Because I was enjoying this thing.

You could tell from my pocket, yeah. You could tell from the joy like the joy I get when I go out because of this kind of music. I was enjoying it. I got lost and I got carried away.

So the problem is not people doing it.

This is you now being able to not let that be your destination. Because I haven't done a lot of things, musically. I just started doing them with this album. But what you have done has been very potent. Yeah, it has.

You think good. So how do you feel as a creator?

“How do you feel when something that you consider it's you?”

But it is not, it's not like the, your essence, your full essence. It's just maybe a version of what you can produce. Become so big and so potent that it's, it's other becomes your way for a long time. That all the creative part inside of you does it's cream out. How do you quiet it when everything looks good?

It's rosy, the money is coming in all of the accolades. You had fancy and as a, as a joy by itself. It's more shadows every other thing, but it's because it satisfies. Because you now stop paying attention to this kind of thing that brings, this kind of bread and this kind of happiness and this kind of whatever life you love, you're lost in.

But it's so, it's a force now. So by itself, you just find yourself doing something similar to it. That way, that way, that way, if you don't show yourself to like, find who you are, you just, you just be there.

“And that's why many, sorry, it's got so many, many artists here.”

It's not like, people sit and be like, "Bat, it's been part for years, been part for years, and then after some time, I'm like, he used to be bad or he's not bad again. What do you mean he's not bad again? He's bad. He's bad. He doesn't know what else to do." Because if he comes out, he'll come up with that same thing. But if that same guy should check himself and know what to do, he'll come up with something else,

and you know that he's still bad. But then they're in lies, they're in lies the danger. Because on one hand, and I find this, I find this, I don't know, that's a callative paradox or the irony of it is. Being successful in the game gives you a lot. But the same game that thing you succeeded with is not what would continue that success.

And on one hand, the artist on this end is seeing the benefits of it. The names go up and go. The numbers go up on this cardboard. Everything's good. They can see themselves move across multiple stations and life from this thing. But culture in itself continues to stay fluid and to move and to do it.

points? Is there any marker that would tell an artist that, hey, you need to switch now.

Because you've got to admit some of you guys are in the bubble. Life will leave. You've got a lot of you. I'm even being kind.

“A lot of us. It takes, it takes a lot. That's why it doesn't really happen.”

If you check it, many, many, many engineering artists, they survive or they strive on what's going to stand on music for the longest, the same type. I mean, like,

that's what we see. I must say it doesn't happen. And the other way, most times, that's how it is.

You get me. Could be the fans? Could be the fans? No, this one's on the other side. Yeah, true. Could be the money? Could be the lifestyle. So the different things that could make you not think about or feel like, almost going, man, that's going. That's the problem. When you check the culture, like, the culture is not evolving. Yeah. And, but then becoming a student, again,

having to change means becoming a student. And becoming a student means your ego, take a hit. Because now your limitations, your current limitations show themselves, because the more you learn, the more you know you don't know. And so having to transform,

“learn a new way to to create this thing. What's that process like? I think you missed this”

time. There was never a point where there was never a point where the best they felt like,

he doesn't know. You know, that's not part of the different phases. No, you know, you need something new. It's like, Joey, I've written songs back to back to back four years, at least in three, six, five days. There's one that my name is that big. So I've never not been bad. So the problem is not, I'd like to chill and be right. But that was not the problem. So it's a personality. My friends, who knew me before before I came before you guys knew you.

They listened to this, my album. Guys, this is you now. Like, you know, I know I'm aware. Yeah, I know. You think my guys don't tell me like, guys, we talk about every damn thing. When I got it, the talk, yes, everybody, yes, like yes, I know too. And so what did,

“what did you have to change to put this new creation in place? My way of thinking that is”

the way I was supposed to see things as compared to the way I used to see things because of, because I chose to see things that way. If you me, it's you telling yourself that this camera is black. Back in the days, come, if you are greasy, this camera is not white. So it takes it at me or one. Let's not lie. This thing is black. Let's not lie. If you be type, but even even be able to get to that point where someone around you would point out that.

It's, I wasn't feeling it again. Yeah, but the fact that somebody, that's why I didn't put our music in it. Yeah, you stay the way forever. Yeah, because I wasn't feeling it. I was feeling what I was doing. And I used to feel what I do, anything I do, I used to feel it. How important is it that you feel something? Because you could feel the ting, the ting. If you know you're not a scummer, or a farmer, you're sitting,

things that you would need to experience to check yourself by yourself. Because you don't know,

you're in a different lane where you have to make sure that the end is really amazing.

“So that if they do yields, they will hold it.”

Because you would say about it, I would just stop by this, that back in the days. We can never take

this creative part away from it. Yeah, I didn't put our music for like three years, well, they took a pen game. They're calling my name. Why? I don't know. I want to even add it to the brush myself on this album. But let's stay honest. You know, the thing, the thing, the thing is, I know, I'd be like, I know I didn't feel them. I know say, yeah, but I never show them. The way they talk about the pen game, I don't feel

“that I don't show up like that. Even though what you did has genius in it,”

it's just that nobody was really doing it like that, you know, it was a fresh, a bread of fresh air. It was, I hope this, I was mixing my English on my pigeon in a very sweet way that I was writing like I was just saying, you know, nobody was really doing it. So that was it, but that was not all I had, you know, like, that was not, that was not it. So me personally, I know people that love things have written things up, and I know people that still love them. So you know, enjoy them, I can do this

was that you guys got to know what I'm about. And what got to do, it's like, you know, how to do it. You talk about the fans and how they influence creative decision. So, someone decides to do something and he finds people that consume it and love it so much. It becomes a part of their devtriality. And then there's that at the start of it, that, that, or how it used to be before, before everyone had access to everybody. It used to be, it used to be one way traffic for the

most part, the creators give the people love it, the creators give the people love it. But social media created the two-way channel where people can express their love or their hate or their dislike instantly. And you're saying that and, you know, that influences the creative process. It's less a huge role, if the artist is human, let me say, if the artist is human, it plays a huge role, if the artist really lets himself be human, sometimes he got it, that block certain things.

But if the artist is not able to do that, well, like he will listen to what they're saying. And what did they usually say? Bro, they don't even know. They knew they would have been doing it,

“they don't do anything. You don't who started doing it now. Why listening to that?”

You shouldn't know. I didn't do anything. That's the question.

You're making beautiful music. The first song I heard of you that made me fall in love with you,

you expressing yourself. Or did I come to tell you that it's this genre that people would love about you. So why are you changing it? Why should I now come and tell you that you sang the song based on how you feel now? And I expect you to sound like you sang the song 10 years ago. Is it beautiful music? Well, not everyone can not listen to. No, see what's going on in this. But by also the thing, that's fun. That's fun influence can only, but I mean, your own guy for

indoshegokontai, you say, ah, he was that kind to me. You go shock. Then how much of it is now tied to money? Because the fans, you know, they indirectly or directly untied to your money. It depends. Bro, money that comes from, they kind of money that would

make you stick to the type of genre. It might just be something that you never seen before,

song, this kind of song, this was the reception. Right? Yeah. When you performed this song, somebody came and gave you this type of music. It can make the artistic to that type of music. I don't want to mention it. It happens to money. Now this one, they go. That's the last little I know. Yeah. That is one, they go like this. Now this one, they go like this. Now this one, they go. For you know, that like this, it is just plastic, it just won't, one, you

record it, you saw like this on for you know, but at the same time, you have like 8/10. But you

are bad, you can't do more than that. So that one is not the first. That one might be the

rules of race. Yeah. That one might be the jewel that I would do it to you. That one might be one chief that I would just give you one thing, you got so full of parts from that job. You're human. Feel me. You're human. Yeah. So that's not the final thing. And I don't want this life to because of this kind of song. You're linking this kind of people. You're living this kind of life. Yeah. Feel me. Yeah. Because of this kind of music, you get lost in it.

Changes the circle of friends, changes where you be at. Changes was what you are about.

“How much does that matter in the artistic journey? It does a lot. Because as an artist, you have to be”

aware. Still. You have to be aware. You have to be aware of every step. You have to be aware. I don't know where the land I want from them, but I don't know how I don't know how I don't thought about looking for it. I don't know. So I'm looking to come here come and start like Einstein. Yeah. I don't know. But me. I just. But going through this artistic journey, it's a journey that's filled with multiple variables. Much like there's a possibility at

every point in time that a million things can happen. Because artists magnet people,

artists magnet companies, artists magnet time. Because people pay attention to you. So you magnet time and you define the existence of a lot of people. How do you then with all of these imputes hitting your different points in time? How do you know the path to take? What influences the decision to say? Go here and go here, take this dinner, take this one. How do you navigate? What gives you that? And does

you get easier, the more you travel through your journey? Obviously, it doesn't get easy, you know?

“But then that's why you want, you have people around you. So you have something to do.”

Would I like it or not? You get to call the shots. Would I like it or not?

You get to call the shot. And to call the shots, know what's on what you engage in. That would make you call a final shot. And those things are what matter. Like me. If I want to, if I want to, for example, like, take this decision, maybe I'll go out to the house with something and I'll get back to you. Maybe I have to get back to them tomorrow.

Today, if anybody gets to talk to speak to about that. Yes. The influence of the decision, the stories or anything I hear throughout that day, it might just have something to do with something like that. It could also like influence my decision. They've been the story, the person that did it said, you don't think for doing it. It seemed right. Because of the story, it was printed. It could influence my own decision.

“So that's why I said at the end of the day, is you.”

You know, you know what made you. Everybody, everybody knows. You know, why you're here. You know why you're doing what you're doing. When I came, I knew I was going to, I knew I was going to write. I knew I was going to be a little bit brighter.

You had just drawn to it. I was drawn to it. So you see, when you get to the point where it doesn't seem like, you know that you're on the right button, bro. You have people around you. You have gods. I mean, we have gods. Some who have different things, some who have people that are dead and I speak to them.

Whether you like you to not, if you're me, some people have angels. Whether you like you to.

“So it's between you, yes, what you build, yes, because at the end of the day, you have to make a decision.”

I'm leaving with it. I leave with it. So me, for example, I said it, bro, I will create a music. Any how I feel. Any how he comes.

Because that's always been what I've always wanted to do. It's supposed to be free now.

It's supposed to be free. And do you feel, and it's crazy when people have made a lot of money from the same thing on, bro, you can't just get out of here, you know, see, it's crazy. Well, in your own case, yours was not, was bigger than yourself and your career. You actively gave your gift or she had not gave, she had your gift. Yeah, that's the word,

sharing that's a, that's a beautiful way to look at it. You're inspired and so you shared it. So you shared your gift, you're both for a number of people in house outside, even friends. I did a lot of teaching as well. Oh, that's the part that does not come out. No, it doesn't come out. You did a lot of teaching. Yeah. Why, what do you benefit from teaching people? I learned a lot when I teach. I learned a lot.

I'll be young and things like, I don't know how I'm young and these things, but yeah, I was just like, I need them to stick to my head and give me like, I learned a lot when I,

“bro, I love it. So teach to teach. You have to have like a framework. So no,”

maybe not even, might not be a blueprint of your system, but there's something you're impacting. So when you teach, what do you impact in that person? The freedom of music. Because so I'll say this year. Yeah. I met a whole lot of people that have bigger than me when I came.

I learned a, I can never mention names, though, yeah, since it's the teaching part, but yeah,

I met a lot of people that when I met them, what I was waiting to see, I saw like the other part of them, which was the real part of them. But how do you do this thing? I'm saying male artists, female artists, brother, how do you do this there? Take me to a corner. I need to learn this. There's not, I don't just want to meet you now.

“I was tapping people's backs like to show the bounce I'm talking about. And if you”

want, if you come to me like that, I usually tell them, I'm like, you just allow me to be my self. I could yell at you. I could scream, but I'm screaming to just get this thing down. Maybe people do me and they love me like that. So when you teach people the freedom, the freedom of creating, what now shows you the degree of intake of that person, is it the success of their work or the quality of it? It's the quality of it.

Bro, what did I mean? Sox is like, how did you say it? Sox is successful. Like, bro, what if me I'm okay with one stream my guy? What if, yeah? What if the money for that one stream saves my life like, what if I'm just saying like, don't somebody else, maybe not thing, you know. So I'll leave that for them. Just give me quality. Just on that stand there we are going, because it's a journey where they'm teaching. Yeah. Most times

when I'm teaching, I don't even have the life written. We get the life together. I always say this

is actually coming. And by the time we do two times three times, they don't call me, you know,

“because there's no need, because I don't even want you to call me again like, yeah, you should be back”

to head to you. Sure. So while I'm doing that, I'm learning a lot as well. I have different artists that I picked different things. This one, how to voice, this one, how to leave, or cause this one, cause I didn't know those things as well. So I learned a whole lot from different people, but I lent them while I was teaching. See, shout out to everybody that I love with this one.

So, what you just mentioned, just blew my mind open, because I've always wondered if there was

a system, cause we don't have formal education, we have formal education from music, but we don't have formal education for pop music, we don't have formal education for the intangibles of the music industry. We can teach you a note. What we can't teach you how to generate lumber. Yeah, you can teach you, we can teach you the structure of things. What we can teach you spontaneity. We can't teach you creativity. Delivery. Delivery even. We can't teach you

melody. You can only lend those things by yourself, that's the attitude that you get me. Yeah. So, when it's not like when somebody comes to me, okay, can't teach my son, how to kind of my son, how to sing. I can't teach you son, how to sing. Because I don't know how to sing. I just think, I know how to make your nastancia, you really pay me if you pay me. You pay me like, I have the way I explain my own, if you love, I have the angles I come from, you get me like this.

“Just fill up. That's what I think. So, I can't teach you how to sing.”

But, we can make a song together. Everything you learn from the process of making a song you do it three times. There will just be something about you. It will just be something about you. You start thinking when you're creative space. Because the things you love, things that sound

beautiful to you, they always take. If you pay interest, if you're interested, you're interested,

you're interested. Coming back to my earlier point. So, if you're doing this in your own side, if another person who is gifted in something else, another aspect of the music making, does that informally for the people or for the people that are able to admit to themselves that they need help. If we do that enough, if more than one, they may not be help, but they need help, you said no cause well. No, no, no. No, no. No experience. New experiences. Okay. So, okay.

“Please do you speak. No, I don't think anybody's able to help. Okay, okay, I think you're back.”

Okay, to share your experience with them. Yeah, to share your experience with them. I need to experience and to understand how you experience the world, because that would benefit, would add value to what I do. What I do? What I do? Yeah. So, we have an informal system of education. Go here. Very informal. Some people have own willing to pay for it. Yeah. So, for a long, during this duration of your career, you spent it co-creating. I can look up your song credits.

And then you were tightly, you are tightly affiliated with David. What was special about that creative process with David that made you guys create so much? I think it was the bond, um, I just lost my mom when I met David. So, we, one day on a true brotherly level, say it wasn't music at all. It wasn't music. It was brought out to put you on. I won't put you on tight shit. And then I moved into his house almost immediately. Almost immediately.

Well, you didn't spend time testing spirits now, that you just connected with your person.

Told me to move my things to those. I met him in Dubai and they moved my things before I came back to the business. So, when I came back to the business, to Nigeria, was the house on the street. So, I was there for two years plus. Yeah. And sleeping now, we cannot be in the same house. Two years plus. So, imagine how close we are. So, when you create somebody like that, asked to be different. I can't think like him. He can't think like me. He knows what I can't do.

He knows what I can't do. He knows what I can't do. So, it's easy to work like that. It's very

“easy to work. One thing. We've not had any issues. So, yeah. It's the bond. I think it's the bond.”

And the music was like, it's going like we got it. Yeah. Because the studio was always open.

The studio was right there. We're always working. Freshers, always in the house, always in the house. We're always working. Besides that, we're bonding. We're going out, we're getting in trouble together. We started with different. I was close to a lot of people, like I was close to a lot of people. I was close to a lot of people. I'm still close to a lot of people. Yeah.

Even people with this, I get a problem. They're close to them.

“That's why you never see them. You saw me because I would never have saw them.”

Like, [bleep] He's nuts. They're my guys. There's just my brother. And everybody will start. That's how you go to the movie. Yeah. I'm the first day I ever, first day I ever saw you in person. I remember then, I was running a production for New Yorker, the Americans. And there was supposed to capture, afterwards, to the world, it was just in its infancy. And New Yorker asked me to capture the higher the photographer, Namsal Luba.

And if the Swiss lady, to capture that. So we shot a few interviews, David was one, see me, a few other people. I have to refresh my memory. But David's on was, I came to the house. And even though we took a while before we recorded, we shot. But randomly, I was just walking up the staircase or something. And you were there, just in your room.

I said hello, you're like, "Hi. Always in my room, really."

If I'm no interested to do an Osmo. There are a lot of people downstairs. You didn't want to go back. Back then, they used to, David would be like, "Well, we know, let's go to this moment. I'll link you guys later. I'll never link more steps. It's hard work." Before it goes back, time don't set. Done this, but I was just recording for myself. She was like, "I was, bro, I loved to work, bro." I love work. And the kind of work you do requires a,

a healthy amount of solitude or healthy. Yeah, it's unhealthy, because if you're always working,

somehow you pay for it with the opportunity to cost of hanging. Hell of hanging. Bro, it becomes a part of you. It gets to a point in where nothing else matters.

“I traveled one time. I went to how far and I was in, I think I think it was London or Manchester.”

Therefore, like, were one. I was dying of not having this studio. When I go back, I looked fresh in my room for seven days. I thought I was going to go anywhere. You guys are just locked. You guys take any break or anything. You didn't walk out to get the end, nothing. No, no, we went to the city room, but we didn't go up the house. We created some three solid records, three big records. Thank you, my record. I came out of that. The last period,

yeah, or they were supposed to produce the assurance, fresh record, it took a little bit because we were

They enjoyed it. I can't try to do it. Why can't you do it anymore? Fresh, fresh, fresh. It's so stress,

it's a crazy ass. I mean, I'll do it again, but I will add, or distress. That was crazy. That was crazy.

“It was crazy though, seven days. You have to stretch your mind. I mean, it's no matter how big.”

You can't see it. I've not come and look to you for seven days. I'm don't my album. I was watching for the longest, but I'm not a size of a album, right? I'm relaxing. I think for a writing come, I can't. No, I'm not even cool. Like when I went to Gagastir. Yeah. I just spent a couple of albums there. It was fun. And if it creates so much, is there at any point where it all becomes a blur?

Yes, no. All right, this is a block. This is a real. You have to travel. When you get the block.

Yeah, travel, go in. I don't know nobody. I know like just she people. You can't just pull up on you like miles. You get me like, it was good somewhere. I'm be there. I'm trying to hack it. Maybe experience is like this. No, stop. It's not a few more. I've already slipped my cigar.

“No, what do you know me for real? It's like, free you don't. That's how it works for me. What”

I've been maybe something. So new album coming in. We're getting the new pair of things. They get the pair of Z. I don't know about it. We're getting an extended and extension of pairs. Yeah, you put a lot of new things into into this body of work. We're getting an extension of pairs. Yeah, the professional knowledge and yeah, and the skill fullness under the subtlety and what else. There really know the amazingness of the melodies.

There really know how I be with the writes and how funny I try to get. I'm not too serious. But you, I hope they can tell when I'm serious and I hope they can tell when I'm playing with this album. And you've given so much of yourself. And you still want to give more. What, what now stays behind? What do you now keep for yourself? I get a lot of joy. Yeah, You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying?

“How do people say, okay, I sound like two of us sometimes?”

How did I get that? I lent it. I lent it while I was thinking, I'm learning a lot. Yeah. Why do you know how to say what to keep for yourself and what to keep?

Because I know was amazing and was not amazing.

It's not difficult, well, it's not difficult. It's not difficult, well, and the more you share, the more I learn, it's no hard. And with, with leaving the life of creative generosity, this impulse to constantly create and share. What has it done for you?

What part of the existence do you think would not have existed or would not have become your reality or would not have gotten to the level that it has if you weren't this open fisted or open handed rather? Joey, I'm not going to see down here today, I'm like the kind of records I have given out or I can still give out.

Because I'm done, just bear it because I know, I know, I know, I know, bro, most of this records that give to people, they can't give it to me if you were there. But in between that and now, in between them, not being able to give me that and lies

That's the reason why I can't even sit down here today and you will listen to me.

“Yeah, sure, that's the reason why any of this, to detail tomorrow, when it comes to”

my name, there would always put the respect on my name.

You love me, I don't know about the fans, yeah, yeah me, bro, this, because bro, I wouldn't walk you people that, sure, there was a dream come true, although I didn't know it was going to be the way it played, you understand, I didn't know what was meant to be able

to have this impact on those kind of people, because I thought they were gone, you get

me.

“But yeah, I'm not going to act like it's not, that's why, that's why, that's the whole”

essence. That's why my name does still be my name, it's only very easy that I'm doing this. And just before I, I like how you have been, I like how you've, how you're so selfish on it.

“Oh, what, yourself for sure, you're special, and you know you are, and you understand”

your process, and you understand what, you understand what makes you special, and it is that buster of an ending creativity. And so going forward, just, would you, would you advice just before we go, and thank you for having, I'm going to do this, this is, this is lovely, but just before we go, would you advise people who have a version of your gift and less creativity to spread, to go

down the path you have gone to, the path of extreme generosity, would you tell another person to do that?

All right, okay, but I'll tell you why, the next time you come here, okay, no, never

thought about it, thank you for that. Thank you.