Botox, Beauty Standards, and Things I Said I’d Never Do (But Did Anyway)

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“I think that is true. - I forgot. - Yeah, I'll use that as my excuse.”

Yeah, my migrants are so bad. I've never had a migraine in my life.

There is some type of moral duty if you're in the public eye to be transparent about some of those things. Yeah. I will be getting my personal stuff. I don't want my eyeballs to be crossed out. Nothing honestly has revealed my own hypocrisy more to me than being a parent. I'm going to make them everything from scratch. No preservatives. Nothing processed.

There was like a seven-month period where I made that kid frozen chicken nuggets with shape permit on cheese on every single night. Welcome back to OEC! Where are your hosts, Abby Howard? - And Abby Howard. And wow. - Wow.

Life is speeding up fast. - It's crazy. I know, I'm glad. I like a fast pace. I know. I feel like you've been on the move on the go. Really? - Yeah. - All your trips when to Rhode Island? I guess that's true. That felt like a paper dream.

Adi and I went to Rhode Island for 48 hours. 48 not even really. - Yeah, I was fully. Most of it was airplane. - Airplane. Lots of airplane. - Lots of long fly from Arizona. You will they flew as to Boston and then we did drive.

Like, was like an hour.

I've been to Boston one time and had amazing pizza with my dad.

And so good so that my dad asked the owner if he could chip it to our house. And they said no. Oh, yeah. Was that embarrassing for you? No, because I was like to have you gotta get the pizza in the same list. Oh, a chip it. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah.

The service that does that. They'll send you pizza from New York. Like, your favorite place. - Wow.

“That's a good idea. - But I mean, I think the restaurant has to be like a clover.”

Yeah, of course. - Like being on it. They feel like this is not like going to just do our passion. But yeah, we went for just a quick work trip with CVS and there and back. Was that your first work trip kind of like that? No, it's not anyone's like that. - So they're really different. - I feel like, but same general thing.

Yeah, I would say was the first. They're all kind of just differently that.

What I've noticed is that I've been this in my second time going with you on most.

It's mostly work that we're doing. And our downtime is reading our candles. Yeah, we did. - We're just those girlies. We just, we went got pedicures and we're kind of... - Right, you don't get a time good time to read. That's actually the thing that I mourn the most. - Reading. - Reading. You get the whole plane ride. - Whole plane ride.

Almost our whole book club book. - Hey, good. - Can I borrow it? Yeah, I have 30 more pages. - Okay. Tell everyone what happened to your book club book. - My book club book is soaked in water also. It's still wet. And this is how you can get wet, that's fine. - Yeah, I read the whole thing.

I read it all the time. - They're all extra here. My, my water bottle was undone in my bag and I had a pool. Like standing water bottle. - She took everything down and then went dumped it in the worst feeling. That's the worst feeling. - It's a river. It was so dumb. - It was so dumb.

It's like I didn't even close this thing. - Oh, I mean it happens. It happens. - It happens. - Maybe the turbulence. They're not the turbulence. They're not the air pressure. We'll go and drag it up. - I mean, I'm the air plane. If you have your hydro-dug lid closed, it should've shoot now.

Let's get a release that pressure. - Seriously. Let's also say Abby talks about her attention span a lot. But this was a five hour flight. Abby read that book all five hours. So it's a good book. - Not a minute taken away on scrolling on her phone. There was Wi-Fi on the point. She just kept reading. - Wow.

“I think I fell asleep for a minute. - I'm ready for that.”

I'm ready for that. - I'm ready for that. - I would have a time-linked. I have. That's my attention span. - I think it's good. I think it's good. - Thanks a lot. - Thanks a lot. Also, I am just entertained. - Yeah. - That's me. You know what I mean? - You know what I mean.

Well, our booklet book if you guys are curious is out in the sphere. I tailor Jake and Thread. So when are we talking about that? - Two weeks. Three weeks. - I really don't have as much time as I need to know. I mean, but it's better. - My body look this.

- Don't worry, you guys. I will finish it. - It's got to be really interested in space. - Cool. - This is second space book I've read recently. - Nice. - And I didn't think I was interested in space now, I am. - Yeah. I was trying to teach you to do the planet the other day, and I learned that I don't remember the planets. - Okay.

- So... - Mercury. - Neptune was the one that has forgotten.

Oh, that one's a forgettable note.

What are we at the reading this book? I'm like, which one of us three is the most likely if we're given the opportunity to go on a rocket ship to space? - 100% you. - Yes. - Who were you going to say? - I am. - darkness. Oh, Abby was going to scare it. I could touch a closer book. One was like,

- You're down for a ride. - You would never skydive. - You would never skydive.

- You would never skydive? - Oh, I have a fear of heights. So I feel like the rocket is telling us a different fear. There I was not afraid of the high aspect when we were playing. It was duct tape. - No. - Multiple, it was covered in duct tape. - We actually don't talk about that too. - We don't want our way to the airport.

We're talking about, I mean, and Abby convinced me I don't want to go to the airport. I'm actually more afraid of skydiving after having skydiving it. It doesn't seem like something that would give me a happy thrill feeling. I think it would get down and throw up. - It does. I did get that. But I also couldn't breathe the whole free fall because the wind is blowing in your face so much.

I was literally like, I'm going to pass out of my eyes. Because I couldn't get a breath of air.

“It's really sad the person I was attached to because you have to tan them fly your first time.”

- He said that. - He said he was going to die going out that way. - Looking up to going crazy or risky jumps. It wasn't just a normal, by the way, I don't think skydiving is really that dangerous. But when you just do a face jumping, he was going to get everything. He was going to be squirrel jumping based jumping, so like that.

Anyway, not about me. My book is soaking wet, but it's also now because it dried. It can't close away. Honestly, it's for the best. I probably needed to be just a little a jar so that I'm like, I'll get in there and I'll read it. - It's open already. - It's already open. I just got to go read it. - It was a good trip. We just made it fun. - Yeah, we did.

- And we got to meet some fun people too. - It was good. - We got to see the East Coast for a bit. - Yeah. - It's very gloomy. - Good man, cold. - It was good to come back. - It makes me appreciate it more here. - Appreciate the sunshine. - I could see that. - I mean, there's so much sunshine here.

Sometimes I'm like, the gloomy days fill in. - It was gloomy.

- It was gloomy. - It was like, oh, it's amazing.

- I'm like, I'm wearing a sweatshirt today. - Yeah, it was gloomy. - Well, on Sunday, have you guys been to Pete's area Bianca? - No. - I can't remember if I've been or if I've just heard you talk about it. - I talked about it all the time. It's so good. - It looks so good. - It looks so good. - The chef Bianca, I forgot it in his first name.

- Really? - Yeah, it's chef Bianca. He has a show like an episode on chef's table on Netflix. And it was the first episode and Caleb was on a plane from somewhere. And the lady was coming to Phoenix just to try his restaurant after watching that. So we watched it and he really hyped up his food in this episode.

So I feel like when I've ever seen something is really hyped up. Naturally, I think it's not going to be that good. Because I'm like, it's just the expectations are so high. - Do you or just like Matt? - Yeah, I think it's maybe the middle top thing. Like his expectations can completely make our regular experience.

- Yeah. - His low expectations and his surprises him. Amazing experience. - Yeah. - His really high expectations. And then just a point in. - No, I'm not going to shut down. - I don't think I'm like that, don't know. - Caleb is like that.

“And that's why I think he likes to properly prepare for something before he goes.”

- Okay. - Because he has to adjust his expectations. - Okay, yeah. - But I just think when it comes to food a lot of times, I'm like, yeah, it's good, but it's not this incredible experience. His food is incredible. And it's so simple and so helpful. If you guys are coming to Phoenix,

you have to stop at Petrie Biancos. You have to go. Yeah, every time I go, the quality is the same. It's amazing. So we went there on Sunday with my parents. And then my parents left to go back home, which was sad. Yeah, my mom's going to come back a little bit in a couple weeks,

but my parents' snowboard thing has come to an end. Is she going to make it to our live event? Um, she will be back in town for that. I do believe. But I also do believe I'll be putting her to work that day. - Okay, yeah. - I should be the first setting up,

but all that she's coming. I think so. - Yeah. - Yeah. - So I think she's on town. - She's on town too far away. - It was all planned.

“- Oh, wait, did I hear the right? We have a live event?”

- Yeah, we have to be going to be doing a local live event. I don't know how much details we're going to release right now, because we're still in the works, but it's happening in April. - Yeah. - It's going to be for the Arizona girlies. Then we'll be a sign up and advance. It'll be really fun.

- Yeah, I'm excited. I feel like this will be something that hopefully we can replicate or you know, learn about setting up events. Because we're kind of doing it a little, we're doing it a little biggie. - Yeah. - A little bigger than what we've done the past, so. - Be fun. - I'm really excited.

- Excited to meet y'all. They're able to come. Do you still want to do a hope in an art today? - I feel like that was my hope in a hard. Good pizza. - Okay. - Sad parents leaving. - Oh, my hope. - My hope is I got to spray tan and it really uplifts my spirits. - That is.

- My hair looking glowy. - Thank you.

- My heart is always like, I got to spray tan.

- I have to be naked. I'm looking for cute little tiny sweet girl. - Has no children. - I don't know. - I tell you that I'm ashamed of my body. - Yeah. - I'm so, I'm not that at all. - But it is just like, it's vulnerable. - It's vulnerable.

I just described, like, my body before kids versus my body after kids.

I just described it as, maybe more womanly, more mature things are different. And I'm just like, sometimes I'm like, I don't know. If you would have just like, if I would have stood naked before myself before kids. After kids, I would have been like, wow. - Okay. - It's changed. - This is different.

- I feel like, but she's used this probably. Also, all of the girls, she spray tan's are just very cute. - Young people. - I know. It's like, I don't think anything of of it and then I'm exposed to someone. And I'm like, well, you know what I'm thinking about it now.

- And it was so cold. - The sprayer is cold. I was like, ah, these are happening to me. (laughing) - This is so cold. - Oh my gosh. - I can't remember where I'm on.

- Yeah. - I was like, we are not, those are brown now. (laughing) - Because like, the ends are sacrifice. - These are going in the oven. - Yeah. - Do you guys, do you?

- I've actually never had in person sprayer.

- Oh, have you ever had a sprayer? - Yeah, I go naked. - Whoa. - You take it off.

“- In my book, they do this for a living. - Do they see it?”

- Do they see it? - In your, no. - I mean, you're not like, that open. - I was doing poses. - But they're not getting down there. - I was like, I didn't do this. - I didn't even feel it. - I didn't even feel it. - Like, everything's tan except that.

- I didn't feel it. - I didn't feel it. - You just got it. - No, I didn't feel it. - You just got it. - I don't know what I, what's the size of this. - But you are naked as if someone has a sprayer. - It's like my gynecologist.

Like, they do it for a living, the spray tan is doing for a living. - Come on. - Come on. - Yeah, I don't think, I think, once you undress it's better. - Yeah. - Me, like, I'm taking my clothes off. And I'm like, try to make conversation.

- Oh, she stays in the room. - I guess.

- Yeah, why would she leave? - She did stay.

I think about that when I get massage, I'm like, "Oh, I'm so exposed. "Libly under sheet." - That's weird. - They know I've naked under here. (laughter) - We're living on my back, you know, like, the disc is vulnerable.

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- Ooh, I started trying frownies. - Oh yeah. - Okay, I started doing these because, hey, I was watching your video, your skin was really looking great. - It's really looking great, thanks. I've only done it five times. - How much are they?

- Are they expensive? - It's $25 a box, and I think the box, like-- - They're one-time use types of things. - Yeah, it's almost like, okay, so if you're not sure a frownies are,

they're basically craft paper stickers with glue on the back.

This is not exactly how it is, but you wet it, and then you put on your forehead,

“and you have to make almost like a cast on your face,”

and it hardens, and you do it while you sleep, so then your face, it's like controlling your muscles and freezing them for a long extended period of time. So you have to stay consistent with it, I was reading a lot of the reviews,

and people say, you know, you do them, it wears off after like an hour, but if you continue to use for like 30 days, and then 90 days, you don't have to wear them all night, like your face will stay longer than we're often you do them.

- Mm-hmm. - Does that make sense? - I guess, what's happening? - I don't know. - You said they stink. - You did wear them all night? - They smell bad. - Yeah. It's just the glue that smells, I sleep and I'm, yeah.

- Is it uncomfortable? - No. - Mm-hmm. - Really? - I mean, it's like, yeah, you can't. But you're not talking or making facial expressions, and it's glute to your head, or maybe you'll try it. Well, I sleep on my back, I'm not a stomach sleeper,

or really a side sleeper, so I don't know what it's all. - I sometimes I'm on my side, but I'm on my stomach, I'm totally honest. - Okay, so I'm on your different things. - But my face isn't in my pillow. - Okay.

“- It's turned to the side like this. - Yeah, I think it'd be fine.”

- Okay. - Yeah, and I mean, I'm 29, and I think I've pregnancy and postpartum.

My skin is so dry, I just look in the mirror

and I'm like, "Done, I'm aging." (laughing) - I wanted to do something like a fine wine. - Thank you. - Thank you. - Thank you. - Yeah, I just, I look,

and now that I feel insecure about my wrinkles, but I'm like, "Hey, there's something I can do right now. It's natural and low-key, whatever, why not take care of my skin and try to extend that?"

And I've never been opposed to Botox,

but it's just not something that I want to do right now, so I'm like, "Well, let's just try this in the meantime." - That's great, and hey, I'm probably way cheaper, less invasive. - I see, Alexa Penteva, I get posts about those all the time. - She looks how I knew about them, yeah.

- And then she does, she uses them a lot. - And you can get it for different parts of your face, like, forehead, they have them for the eyes. I'm just doing my forehead right now. - I just can't wait for, I have really chubby cheeks.

It's just a fact of life. And I feel like, like, there's some perks to that with aging. - Yeah, but also, I just feel like they've got a side. (laughing) - I don't know how to handle it. - No, I doubt it.

- No, that's fine. - We all get it. - This is honestly a great segue into our topic today. - Yeah.

“- Thank you, this is, that's why I said it.”

- Okay. - Well, I was actually going to ask about your friends 'cause I thought you used it in the video, and I heard you say they were stinky. - Yeah, they kind of smell.

- But not enough to make me not use them. - It's just when they get wet. It's like the glue. - The price of beauty. - It is. - So today we're talking about bowtocks and fillers.

- We are. - I want to know the stats. - Well, I read it crazy. Well, when I was doing these frownies, I was just thinking about it.

I feel like, you know, I'm 29. And I've just seen so many girls, my age, and way younger than me, start with injectables. I looked at the stat.

It said, while the average age for treatment is 43, 24% of clients are aged 19 to 34. And that's pretty shocked by that. By a quarter of bowtocks clients are 19 to 34. I feel like the 30s makes sense.

But like young 20s and stuff, I just was really surprised by that. And I definitely feel like that's the way that culture has gone. And what I just almost feel like has become the norm within beauty. But I have some thoughts on it that I definitely want to share.

- Yeah, I honestly like bring this up. Like we were like talking about, I'm so interested in the conversation about talks and fillers, something I've personally explored, but something I've been like,

I've just never really had to collect my thoughts personally on it.

- Right. - And so when I knew we were going to talk about it, I knew that Sadie Robertson and her mom had a conversation on it. So I listened to that because I was like, it was so good.

I don't have like well-developed thoughts on this. I just kind of like wanted like some perspective too. You hear so much in the media too. You also see Botox, like done really well. You see people that look amazing that are like older like,

what, why does your like probably they're doing something. - Right. - And so I just feel like there's just like so much out there. And like, I also have a lot of friends that are like talking about doing it. So I'm just like, I'm interested to have this conversation.

And I was like, I'm like, now, nearing the end of my 20s myself and entering.

“They're honestly, I feel like when you have kids,”

it's like, you get a couple extra rings on your tree. If you know what I mean. (laughing) - Yeah, we know. (laughing)

And so I'm like, it's definitely been something on my mind more and I'm like, I don't know what my personal opinion is on this. - Yeah. I feel like it's something. And this is where I almost had to stop to question.

I'm like, it almost felt that I said, of course I'll eventually do Botox. Like it was just almost like that's the norm that's the expectation. And then I was like, wait, that's kind of crazy that the expectation I have is that I'm going to go spend

thousands of dollars on something to try to achieve a standard.

And I'm not saying I'm never going to do it.

Like, I feel like I probably will eventually at some point. And I'd actually have done it in the past. (laughing) - Talk about it. - I did it once when I was 24.

And I want a gift card. And to a med spa and I went and got it done. And I actually previously gone to my friend the social media in Kansas City and she brought me to one of her events there.

And I got a consultation at this salon event. And the lady was like, hey, you're 24. You're really young. You barely have wrinkles.

“But if you wanted to do something preventative,”

I would maybe do like 11 units on your forehead. - Is that 11 syringes? - No. I don't really know what the difference between a unit and a syringes. - Is that like, yeah.

- I don't have a fluidity. - Yeah. I'll have at you, you can fact I got one. But usually it's like $10 a unit maybe. Or $10 a syringet at that time.

That's what it was. So roughly it was going to cost 110 dollars. So in my head I had that number. I was like, hey, that's not what I want to spend right now. Do you have a fact?

- Yeah. - A syringe is 100 units. - So like a full syringe is 100 units. - Oh, okay, that's, yeah. - So there wasn't very much.

- Wasn't getting any of that. I was getting the 10 to that. - Okay. - So yeah, 10 11 units. So I had that in my head.

So then when I won this gift card, it was $200. I went to this medspawn. And the lady said, "Man, I'm going to put 30 units in your forehead."

And I said, "Whoa, that's like a lot more than I was. I was expecting because I previously been told this." And she said, "Well, I wouldn't even do anything less than 20 units on your 11s." So I had a $200 gift card that I spent fully just right here and between my eyebrows that I wasn't even concerned about my eyebrows.

I wanted like my forehead wrinkles.

And that really rubbed me the wrong way.

I felt like she kind of took advantage of me. Like, I mean, I had a consultation. So that's where I feel like a lot of my thoughts on this come in is that I feel like when girls are young, they've been selling this idea of preventative Botox.

And that's been the conversation. Like, micro Botox, preventative Botox, start now while you're young so you don't have as many wrinkles later and it's not as expensive. But if you're still going and spending $100 to $300

when you're 22 and it metabolizes in three to six months, like that's so much money and like, people's pockets that really, really, I'm like, it wasn't beneficial. Like, I feel like when you're that young,

we are in our fountain of youth. You know, like 40 year olds are trying to look like what we naturally look like in our 20s. And so that was kind of like, I was like,

“this is not really something that I think I should be keeping up at this point.”

And also just like the financial aspect wasn't in the, it wasn't even in the conversation. But I was like, hey, this is really kind of an interesting marketing tactic. I think it was like praying on our fear,

like my fear of getting older and like aging. That's a good young age. I was like, I'm actually, my skin is perfect. My skin producing collagen amazingly. You know what I mean?

Yeah. No, that's a good point. I just found this thing that says how much bowtox do I need and it shows each segment. So for your 11s, it says it's typically 10 to 30 units.

So the fact that she wanted to start with 20 is kind of... I know and I didn't even remember how wrinkled in my levels. So these are just interesting. Yeah, I just thought really taking advantage of and that appointment.

Did you like the results? You know what? It's kind of funny how they kicked in because it takes two weeks for it to fully settle and work. And I remember the one day my eyebrow had fully froze

and I was thinking videos when I had my clothing store at the time. And my one eyebrow and the one video is like not moving and the other eyebrows moving. I think this is kind of scary. Hopefully it doesn't stay like this.

Oh, I hate that feeling when you get dental work done. And then your mouth ain't moving. Can take a drink of my stuff. So to be honest, I didn't really notice the big difference. Okay.

Yeah, I was so young. I just didn't really have any wrinkles. Well, okay. On the other side of things, when people, I see that I have like, I'm like, oh, wow, their skin is like really, looks really great.

Mm-hmm. The front, my friends, they're like very transwers. They're like, oh, it's because I get Botox. I know they look amazing. Like, it's really shiny and smooth.

And I thought it was like, I was like, when I exfoliated or using. I wouldn't have necessarily attributed that to Botox. I would have attributed that to sometimes skincare. I would have serum, some type of like, I don't know.

Maybe red light. I was like, what is it?

“And then they're like, honestly, I just keep getting Botox and make.”

They said it makes your makeup lay off. Like, go on really nicely. I believe that. And so I was like, oh, that's awesome.

But I'd never something I'd like seriously considered.

I feel like it's one of those things where I'm like, once you start, it feels like another thing to do. It's like, I already get my hair done. I get my nails done. Mm-hmm.

I'm like, it's just another thing to add on. Like, regularly, like, the maintenance of a being, a woman that grooms herself. Right. And so I'm like, gosh, I got a spray tan, heck.

Like, and so I guess that like opens up the conversation of like, where do you draw the line? Because in my head, I'm like, okay. I'm Theresa and my feelings are all entrepreneurs. Start with a choppy fight.

A full-time fight. I think the choppy fight is the first day. And the fight makes me no problem. I have a lot of problems, but the platform is not a step forward. I have the feeling that choppy fights are a platform

to continue to optimize everything. It's super, simply integrate and balance. And the time and the money that I can't change can't invest in others. For all of them, in vaccine.

Now the cost list is on choppy fight.de. It's really important to be content and confident in like who you are naturally. But I'm also like me saying that I want to make up basically every day.

I get my hair highlighted. I have a spray tan right now. I get my nails done. I wear clothes that flatter my body. I try to.

And so things like that. I'm like, where does the line draw? Where does it become like an issue? Where does it become too far? And so that's like what I've been thinking about

and preparing for this. Like, where is the line for me? I got my teeth done for heaven's legs. And so that's like a big tip. That's permanent.

Right. And so, yeah. Like now. Like when does it become a problem?

“Because I think we can all agree that it can become a problem.”

And it can become a thing where it's just one more another thing. Another thing. Another thing. Right. And the other issue that I find with this type of like,

I don't know what to call it. Like slippery slope. Is that the more you hear about these procedures? The more you were like, oh my gosh. Wait, is that a problem?

I have like, you guys were telling me about procedures with eyelids.

I never once thought twice about my eyelids.

Yeah. You're my chin. Mm-hmm. Foreheads. Hair like everything.

I'm like, I don't even, I never thought twice about these things.

It's one thing to hear it.

I feel like now is like a mom of two and like, 27. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, okay. I feel like I have like a balanced head on my shoulders.

I'm like, okay. This is a little bit. This is a little bit extreme. Right. But if you were young and like 16 hearing these things,

you're just like, probably just examining in the mirror. Like, okay, what are my eyelids doing? One of my nose. Right. And then I also feel like I'm on a tangent here.

They all start looking the same. If we're all getting the same procedures done, and these cosmetic surgeons are doing the same things. Essentially, like we're all just starting to look more and more like each other. Right.

And that's not necessarily how we were designed. So basically, where do you draw the line? For sure.

I think that's always the question.

And I guess, I mean, I have zero judgment towards people like it. Like, anything like young old, whatever. I'm like, I should click teeth right now. Yeah. I will probably get Botox.

Like, it's not anything that I have judgment. But I think it does. The questions need to be asked. Like, when is it damaging or when is it okay?

“Like, I think those are the questions we all need to ask ourselves”

before we make those decisions to do it. And sometimes I'm like, when really young people are going in to like get injections or filler or different things. I'm like, dang. It just, I'm like, is your, I don't know.

I just like, you have such, you're so much longer in your 20s and your 30s like grow in your confidence in yourself. And I feel like at that age, you know, my young 20s. Like, there were a lot of things that I felt insecure about. And I was just becoming a woman, you know.

And so then to have these messages of like, oh, you're not pretty enough. You're not young enough. You're not, you don't, you don't look at this like, look at that. It's like, I think it's easy then to think, oh, I have to do something

to like change my appearance to have confidence or be pretty

or like follow the standards of the world and what they say we should do. And so I just like, that's a really, I just feel like those are hard messages for young women to hear. Yeah, agreed.

And so it's like, if you're trying to go in to make a change because you feel insecure about something, I feel like that is like a different question. Versus like, oh, I get my hair highlighted because I have gray hairs and like, I want to cover, you know, I get my hair cut

because it's healthier. You know, like, I feel like there's a difference between maintenance and then like changing something because you feel really insecure about something. Like those are two different motives.

Right? That is true. That's a good point. And so none of those motives are bad.

“I just think that you need to evaluate deeply and like,”

think through them really clearly. Yeah. Permented decisions. Like maybe by the time you're in your 30s, hopefully your sense of self is more established more

and it's not like, yes, dependent on these like, procedures, these like external things. Yeah.

And I guess like when I was first like talking it over,

I kept like thinking, I'm like, okay, your confidence can't be relying on this. And I don't think that was actually the right word. Mm-hmm. I feel like it really is like,

like Sadie and her mom were saying, like it's your contentment can't rely on that. Right. Because I can't say, because I was telling talking to Maddoz, my goes, I got a hair transplant.

I have more confidence now. Yeah. And then I was like, well, I guess that's like, I do feel like a little bit more confident when I put together. And like, that was actually even my advice at one point.

I'm like, just do a little bit of something that gives you like a little bit of something. So it's like, it's not necessarily confidence. I do think that confidence does go much deeper than that. Like true confidence and like identity in yourself

goes much deeper than that. But I think there is a certain level, like if you can get that shallow threshold of confidence boost from like these, some of these external things. Right.

But truly if it's like your contentment in yourself, like you feel like settled in your own skin with what you have with how you're showing up for people. Mm-hmm. Like that can't come from these procedures.

“Like that's where I think it becomes a problem.”

And then people are just continuing to spend money and pursue the next thing, the next thing, the next thing. And then then you look in the mirror and you don't even recognize yourself anymore. Yeah.

And I also think, okay, this is another, I don't even know if I've already jumped the next my next thought about this. Yeah. As someone that is like in the like,

we're people in the quote unquote public eye. Yeah. This is something that my opinion has changed on. And I used to think, okay, like even if you're in the public eye,

you don't owe anyone anything. Like, you don't have to tell them the squat about your life, especially if it's like regarding your health or something, just like private and nature.

And I do have a caveat now. And I really do think that there is some type of moral duty if you're in the public eye, especially like towards other women to be transparent about some of those things.

Yeah. And it's not necessarily like, okay, you don't need to give them the details of your personal life. But if they're like looking at your face everyday and they're like, how does my face not look like that?

Like gosh, I can buy her makeup. I can buy her skincare. I can buy, like I can, you know, do the red. Like I can do these things. It's just not really looking the same.

I think there is a moral duty there. Yeah. And like, it's not shame for anyone that isn't doing it, but I personally feel that.

So like, I don't know.

No, I agree.

I think, I think once it's really good, especially if like younger viewers that have these expectations of like, I want to look a certain way, but obviously can't achieve that, right?

And so like what you're saying? I just, I second that a lot. I really deeply respect people when they do share what they've done. Because it is deeply personal

and it probably is hard. And it, well, I think too, like when you are public and you start talking about, oh yeah, I did this to my face.

I got this or that. Then people are like, oh, she was insecure. She wanted to change. And it does open them up to like,

I think trolls to really pick on them, right? And so I really respect people when they do share. Because I'm like, that was hard and probably, like, scary to share. And I think you're right.

I, especially to the younger viewer,

“I'm like, I think it is important to know”

that like, that's just not, it's okay that that's not natural. And, you know, I think it helps set the bar of expectations for self. I think so.

It's getting more normalized. People are sharing more about what they've had done and different things like, Kylie Jenner came out and said exactly what her boobs, how she got him done.

And then people are like going and getting that exact style. Like everything. She's like, happy. She keeps like saying to you. That's it.

And that's all this whole talk made me think about Pamela Anderson. So she stopped wearing makeup a few years ago to everything.

She never wears makeup anymore.

And it's different. Like, you see her on a red carpet with no makeup on. And it really just, we're so used to everyone being so glam on those carpet. So you're like, whoa.

And yeah. Now you just know her that she's, she's just going to show up and just be herself. And so that's kind of the opposite of being in the public eye.

And she said, she described it as a rebellious move against Hollywood's beauty standards. And it's awesome. Just that aging is natural. Women shouldn't feel forced to hide.

They're aging. And it's been fun and free for her.

“I think that's really interesting because my mom has never had anything done to her faith.”

My mom has had some intense facials and lasers. And they're like that. So maybe you would consider that. But she's never had faux talks or anything. I think she's done a really good job.

She has three daughters of like setting this example of aging. Naturally and gracious of your kind of talk about this. Your mom is the same. Like I look at our moms in your mom too. Like they're so beautiful.

And they've aged so well. And just shown like a really natural progression of that as a woman. And I do think it is sad when I think about, oh yeah, that's just my expectation. Like I'll eventually end up getting Botox.

Part of me is like a little sad that I'm like, oh dang. Now I have a daughter. And like what's examples that setting for her. Like is she going to look and think,

okay, eventually I'm going to have to make changes to my face or you know, do some of these more extreme measures to like keep up. And I think that is like really something strongly that I think about a lot. Like I don't know what the right answer is. That was my other big point that I think about a lot.

Because I think you also have a specific duty. Not just in the public eye, but also as a mom. And I think especially to daughters. But I don't I think the same thing extends to boys as well. Like when you make permanent alterations to your body.

Specifically your face. Like things like genetics that you are, you can probably see like mirrored in your children. Yeah. Changing that.

Like I I can't speak from experience because like you said,

like my mom has just she's never had anything done.

Literally anything done because I'm dying her hair. I can't say that from that experience. But I have to I have to assume that there'd be like a question. Open up in my mind like if my mom had to. Okay for instance, I don't like love my nose.

Let's just put my insecurities out there. I don't love my nose. Oh, I didn't know that. We trade oh, that's fine. Have a great nose.

I've never thought that. It's fine. And we just trade market as the baseball nose. My made a name. And it's just one of those things.

And I'm like man, okay. Even if I like go and I first of all. Maybe I'm a hypocrite. I don't see myself changing this ever. You know, it's it's just how it is.

It's me. It's my nose.

“And but also like what does that implication mean for like my children?”

Like what if they're like didn't mind. I was like like moms and then she ended up changing it. Or like I just I just do think it opens up like a what's wrong with me. Or like do I need to get this changed to and. Yeah, yeah, I'd be curious if people live a comment if.

Your mom did stuff and it made you want because I genuinely want to know.

And I've never talked to anyone.

Like I would love to read the comments on that and get people's opinions. Because I feel like that is like I just sharing my thoughts. I don't know from my experience. My friends that have moms that had worked on, which I also think that the numbers are. As you're saying, like the students are going up like crazy.

So we're going to have a lot more data for like really our kids generation. Yeah, but my friends have their moms have more work done. They they have sought a lot more plastic surgery. Yeah, like permanent totally. I mean, it decensatizes it, you know, it's like, oh, that's just an expectation.

My mom does that. Of course I'll do it. I think that's part of it, too. It's like the decensatization of it all. I mean, we grew up in the Midwest where this is.

Just a little bit of a different culture around it. Like, there were, there were the Botox moms. You know what I mean? And they were kind of like, I don't know what you mean. Oh, really growing up in a small town is not amazing bubble.

Because like I was saying, like growing up, I had no idea what Lulu Lennon was.

I know any nice brain was everyone shopped at TJ Maxine or maybe. Like everyone's clothes were from there or Walmart or like the third source. Like there was no like next level there. No one, everyone had the same hairdressers. Like no one, there was no, but I can mark my words.

There was like literally not one person I was doing any type of med spa treatment. There was no med spa. And so like that was just a thing. And then, and so I don't even remember even a talk of like plastic surgery. I just remember my mom and grandma was being like, oh, like it was just like the ultimate vanity.

And so like, and like vanity was like really like, discouraged. Like highly discouraged. Which I think is a good thing. But also it is like, it opens up the conversation of like,

“hypocrisy in a way because like where do you draw the line?”

Because my grandma also like loved her to death. And I say this like in an admiring way because I do, I think it's womanly and sweet and cute. But she would show up to her water aerobics class with a full face of makeup. Her hair curled and would be so mad if she got splashed.

Right. So it's like, she would literally like campaigned. She's like this guy in the pool. I have my makeup and my lips.

She would never like me to self be with her without lipstick on.

And so anyway, it does just like, there's just so much conversation. So me like, I have so many untethered thoughts in this area. So many like same disconnected hypocritical stage. Like thoughts in this area.

And so I just like, yeah, because I'm saying, I feel like the Botox thing I was like, I was like, I would never do that. Right. And then the more that you're around it here,

I think moving out west also too. We're just around it more. We're just around it. Yeah, that's how big deal. It's like, yeah.

“And I guess in my head I'm like, why does it feel different?”

Why does it feel like the next step? I think probably the price point of it.

Like it was always accessible to certain people and not to others.

And I think that is maybe why in our head because I was thinking the same thing. I'm like, how is it different than like going to the gym and like working out to have a good body or like getting your nails down and getting your hair. Like how is Botox different than these things? I think it's just the price point separated people from it.

You know, it's like one was accessible to everyone and Botox wasn't. And so I feel like that is I'm having a breakdown in my head. These things are my now. It's more accessible to more people and more people know about it. So then does it hold the same weight of like,

oh, this is way more vain than other things or is it just more accessible? Do you know what I'm saying? Like, did it only feel really vain to me because it was expensive? I don't know why. Like in my head it was just like because it was a needle.

And I was like, it's just going into your body. Like rather than like on top or like changing your hair. Yeah. I mean, this feels more extreme. It's like freezing your muscles.

Here's one thing too is having a daughter. I'm like, I don't see myself getting Botox. Like I don't see myself doing anything really.

Maybe a boop job eventually never thought I would say that.

But I'm not that point now. All right. You're saying, you're not. You're not. But I think knowing you guys and let's say you got Botox.

You got your teeth done. Let's say you got a nose job. I would feel 100% confident. If Brio wanted to talk to someone about it. Her being able to talk to you guys about it.

Because I know you would have thought through that decision. And like gone through all the thoughts about it.

“And so that's why I'm like, if you guys did get worked on it.”

I'm like, I know they've thought about it. I know they like processed it. Enough that it's not just I hate this about myself. I'm not changing it. You know, yeah.

I think that's part of the danger when it comes to these things. It's like, I think it's so easy and it is so accessible. And now this is the flip side of like people sharing what they've gotten done. I'm like, Dana, everyone knows about all these things that you can do. And so then it's like, oh, I have the slightest issue with this.

Like I just want to tweak it a little bit and then it'll be better. And that is like a really, really. I think you're always in having having a moving goal post of like, what your state of what your picture of yourself is beautiful is. Like the goal post is always going to move.

If you're like the slightest thing, I can make perfect. And that is like, I think it goes back to your what you're talking about contentment. Um, this was really, I was really impressed. And I highly respect Jesse from Super Live of Mormon Wives. She just made a video the past week sharing about.

She had some pretty like dramatic fat grafting done on her face. And some different things that I remember what her surgeries were. But she, she didn't really understand the side effects of what it was going to be. And what her outcome was going to be. She just kind of trusted what the doctor said.

And she said that she deeply regrets it. And she's like, I hate the way I look. I wish I'd asked more questions. I just went off of what was recommended to me. And I didn't really fully understand what I was getting into.

And I wish so badly. I could go back and change it. And she was really honest about doing these things out of insecurity. Which I'm like, I'm, I just think that's like a really amazing example for her to set.

To young girls, like, one, it's okay to talk about our insecurities.

And like, I just, I was really impressed with her video on it.

But I just think we're going to see a lot more of that. Like, everyday native people that are going to do things. And then wish they could go back. Because it is just so easy to get stuff done. I think that's really admirable too.

I love how you say like, you're impressed by her. Being in the public eye and talking about work that she's had done in insecurities too. This, my thought was like kind of incomplete earlier about like sharing, like people in the public eye that have cosmetic procedures done of any kind really. A good point that Sadie had made is that if you're a job,

as an influencer, your job is essentially marketing. And a lot of times your marketing products that are related to skincare and beauty. And then if you're like saying, like, if you're, maybe if you're not explicitly saying, but the, the message underlying is that like, I look this way because I'm using said product. And it's like, that's actually can be considered dishonest.

Because it's not telling the full truth. It's like a half truth. It's like, oh, and I also spent thousands of dollars getting Botox and filler. And so it's like, there is almost like, that's where almost feels like this transparency is. Should maybe be, I'm not going to say mandatory because that surely feels crazy.

But like, morally warranted. I don't know. Yeah. And so because like maybe she is also like marketing beauty products, skincare products, I'm assuming. Yeah.

Up some sort. Yeah. That's an interesting thought. For sure. I have kind of a hot take.

And I want to say this like gently, but also it is just like an opinion that I have. So I'm able to share it freely. Hey, let's just also say this. That's normalized, disagreeing to people and it's actually okay. Yeah.

“And that's what is making this world spin around.”

Yes. And I'm specifically, I okay. I feel like Botox is like one thing. I feel like filler is a totally different thing. Interesting.

I do in my head. I'm like, I don't think Botox is severely changing your face. Whereas I feel like filler is going in and changing your face. So I feel like that distinction is like, I know confidently.

I will never get filler in my face personally because I think filler.

A lot of times follows body trends and that goal that post is always changing. You're right. It is a trend because now I'm seeing the trend of people getting it. Get it filler. It's all.

Yes. It's all like that. It doesn't even mean. I know. It's what they do to dissolve it.

It's just painful. Yeah. It's like another chemical you have to put in your body to dissolve it and get it taken out. It's all like dang. I just feel like filler to me feels like.

There's so many women are just really casually getting filler. Are they the same thing that we're doing it though? Because I feel like if you go in for an appointment, I'm just speaking out of my. But here because I don't actually. I've never been to any of these appointments.

But they're like, oh, well, these kind of like this can correct this. And it's like, I don't know, because like you went in to just get this done. Yeah. You need this. Yes.

I feel like you could easily be talked into both because it's so easy. And I think we have to remember that. Medspot people. Hey, I love medspot people. There's nothing you can do.

But like yellow or also salespeople. You know what I mean? I mean. I don't remember being sold a product. They're trying to make money.

It's a business. And I'm not saying that's in a malicious way. They're trying to do that. Like I think they genuinely think you're going to look beautiful at the end of it. And yeah.

They're working in their product is great, but like they're going to try to sell you on things that like maybe you didn't think that you needed or like necessarily needed.

“So it's like getting multiple opinions is probably the best way to go.”

So that's my hot take. I personally am like, oh, filler just feels like such a intense slippery slope. That is a body trend.

Like I thought that's always going to move a very hot take.

Okay, good. Also, this is how your opinions form, right? Like your own lived life experiences. And then life has a way of giving you new experiences and you change your mind. And that's how that's healthy and good and appropriate.

But also like I grew up in a like we said Midwest, small town. My grandma's and my mom have had like literally nothing except for getting their hair done. And my grandma's have like beautiful skin. Like I think about like I'm like, okay, maybe I was just rely on my genetics. Because I don't know.

I just like gosh, the upkeep just feels kind of miserable. Like at that point, like I'm like, I don't know. I know. It is. It's a lot.

But I'm also like here's the other side flip side. I love being a woman. Like I love girly things. I love getting my hair done. I love wearing makeup.

I love shopping for clothes. I love doing nails. Like I love all these like girly fun things. So that's the flip side. I also just think it's fun.

And if that's the thing that you're like, I just think it's fun. And it's really not that serious.

“And I think that's a great motive more feminine.”

I think that's another great motive. I just think it's fun. Yeah, I think so too. That's how I feel about like my finger. Game of Thrones stuff.

Yeah, it's just fun. Yeah, I just love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.

I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.

I love it. When did you like, when did you know, did your mom know a birth of your type? I'm looking like that? No one ever told me until when I asked your mom when she realized she was so afraid.

Why would that happen?

Why would that happen? I kind of am. I'm like, these, they look normal. See, in my head, my thumbs are normal. Millies of the tips.

That really helps. They're club thumbs. Okay.

“I need to know what, there's probably a procedure for that.”

When you're thinking about it. Really love you. That's why Megan Faust is my icon. Okay, I only know what I've done natural. She did.

My best friend from high school had that. And that was the first person that I knew I had club thumbs. And then you came into my life and I'm like,

I can never win a thumb war.

Or maybe you're really good. It's like really strong. I can't speak out. Yeah. No.

I think this is a good conversation. Again, there's no judgment on anything. That's right. It's just like, I like doing my makeup. Yeah.

I like I make a girl. Yes. And so it's like this, this isn't really that different. I could see where you could make the argument and put this all in the same category. Yeah.

I think I just. Mostly just get upset. I like young girls that I feel like are pretty on. That's what makes me mad about it. I'm like, I'm not even thinking about 30 year olds.

I'm thinking about like the young 20 girl 20 year olds that are like, I have to do this. And it's preventative Botox. I'm like, no offense. But your body's going to get used to that in 10 years. And you're going to have to get more in.

It's like, I don't even know if that's true. Is it you that Botox can help with headaches? I think that is true. I've heard about you. Yeah.

You've got my excuse. Yeah. Hello. It's all the time. My mind is just so bad.

That's right. I've heard of my life. Would you, would you first do Botox versus like the piercing that people say help with? I actually, I feel like I trust my Botox. I would trust Botox more.

Just because the type of headaches I get to are all right here. So I'm like, what would something here do? I don't know. Like, I get them all in the front of my head. Sure.

But also right now as of right now, let's mark my words. It is March of 26. I suppose I don't know the year. As of March 26, I'm not in the market for Botox. Probably down the line.

I know.

And here's what you can do.

You can clock me down the line. Here you go. Let me stitch me. You have my invitation. So when I'm getting heels in my head because here's what you can count on, I will be transferred.

I'm like, I'll tell you. Yeah.

“And so that honestly kind of, do we say everything you want to say about Botox and Fullers?”

Yeah. I'm going to naturally move this on to our next segment. And which we talk about ways in which we are hypocrites. hypocrites. Let's talk about it because why we said, like, your life, you live it.

And your given new experiences. And then your once held opinions might change. And I think that's good and healthy. But also, could maybe give us the definition of hypocrit. Yes.

Wendy Williams is to always say, I'm a woman. I can change my mind. I can change my mind. This is a really natural hypocrisy. Think as we were literally just talking about this.

I am as of right now probably out on Botox and Fullers. I will be getting rest in my best spot. And here girls will be like, I haven't heard them. Don't put any foreign substance in your body. Just silicone.

Big hole silicone. Not a big. No, I actually don't want the big. But yeah. So you really could find if someone, there is for sure.

I probably said it multiple times.

I will never get that done.

You know why I said that? It's because I had naturally good boobs, right? You have the best. That's what I've ever seen to be honest with you so much. And so I was like running my mouth.

Oh, I've never changed anything about myself. And then I have nurse two babies. Things happen. And you know what? I'm also just going to give myself a little bit of a free pass here in a way and say,

I have been told that I have a big transformation. That anyone has ever seen in that department. That video you made that one super viral about your... When you were showing that, but you texted it to play. Are you showing it to play?

You guys not say I. The fact that that's my brother. I remember. I remember. I mean, you look amazing.

“I just remember when we were nursing together.”

Like right after we had CJ and Augie. And we were like in one bedroom. Just looking at each other. We were like, this is crazy. And I just remember.

Like I was like, wow. How did they say on her body? I remember thinking. It was so bad. I was looking at it.

You was not a small baby. No. It had. In comparison. I didn't even think of that audio that people used to remember.

I was so many actually. I was so many can't be shown. But I think about that audio from me. I was like, there's gotta be another way. It's just a boy.

And it's like me. It was just so... I'm so... Honestly impressive. Like that's a flag.

Because I'm in an amazing story. No. I'm sweating. It was so uncomfortable. So crazy.

So shocking. So many stretch marks. And you're such a petite small person. That's what made it so look extreme.

You're so smart.

You're so smart too. You're just a torso. It's your torso. A short person. It's like you're so small.

And that's just I've never seen.

The problem too is how hard they were. Yes. And so they couldn't squish. So they had to go out.

“So if you really were to take a stencil of me.”

And so anyway. All that to say they didn't say things. They've been through something. And they didn't come out the other side. Look in the same.

Sure. They don't recognize themselves. If they weren't looking in the mirror. They're like that. And so I am just saying.

I would love for that to be a day in which they return to their original state of some sort. Obviously, it's going to be a new version of the original. I'm not going to chase my body before. There's a couple things.

I know you can change. You can get your C section scar laser at all. Oh, really? That. I'm like.

I don't care about. No one's saying that. Well, I mean, yeah. For a say say. No one's saying that.

I can't even see it. Right. [LAUGHTER]

And actually, that you've never looked at them.

Yeah. I guess that is fine. Right. I'm not trying to like seek genuinely. I'm not trying to like get my body back to what I was before.

I'm totally different person.

“So obviously, my body should reflect those changes.”

Right. That's just one of those things. I'm like, please. It would be fun. Okay.

I think there'll be a lot of fun. Here there's so fun. Everybody. Yeah. I'm curious when you get your.

I like the door's not closed. Okay. But like when talking to me after my fourth kid. Yeah. You know what I mean?

And then I'm more excited. Because after the first, I was like, no, they're fine. I'll keep them the way they are. But you know, every time they grow and they go back and they grow and then they get small. Every time they get small.

Then it gets. It looks different every time. So I'm like, I'm not going to make any decisions. Tom fully done. And by the time, maybe I won't care.

I'm not even done breastfeeding. I'm already like. No. I'm going to. I'm going to.

I'm going to need stuff. I don't want my nipples be crossed. I don't want my nipples be crossed. I don't want my nipples be crossed. I don't want my nipples be crossed.

I don't want my nipples be crossed. I don't want my nipples be crossed. I don't want my nipples be crossed. I don't want my nipples be crossed. I don't want my nipples.