“I Spent 4 Minutes With A Living Alien!” -Top Neurosurgeon [Exclusive Interview]

Today's episode of American Alphemy is truly historic.

We interviewed three of the most important UFO witnesses alive today.

You mentioned that the being almost seemed to have control of the room. What did you mean by that? The feeling was that he understood what was happening. He wasn't afraid, he was highly intelligent, at least more than I was. A neurosurgeon, who was face-to-face with an extraterrestrial being for three to four minutes

while it was recovering in a hospital bed. A pilot in UFO crash witness who held pieces of a UFO in his hands. Finally, we interviewed a lead doctor who did the autopsy on a soldier that was likely wounded by an alien being. And you won't believe what they found in this autopsy.

You might be telling yourself at this point, all of this sounds insane and beyond belief. And then you realize how many witnesses on record we have from this case.

“James, how many witnesses do you think you've spoken to, total?”

And a witness is anybody who's seen a ship or an alien body. Maybe 12 to 15 and then the alien body, I think it's up to five. Wow. It's pretty amazing. It is literally a modern Roswell, but in Brazil in 1996.

In fact, the UFO material held by one of our guests today, Carlos Disosa, sounds exactly like the crash material at Roswell. Light, tinfoily, and when he bent it, it would immediately go back into its original shape like some sort of memory metal. The UFO also looked exactly like a tick attack, similar to the famous Nimitz incident

in 2004 from Commander David Fraver. Also like many American UFO crashes, we have Air Force and CIA involvement here. This event is an open secret in the Brazilian city of Virginia, where it occurred. Witnesses of the UFO and the beings that emerged from it range from the local chief of police to this lead neurosurgeon were interviewing today to nurses to everyday farmers.

The former mayor even admits it happened. In fact, the city constructed a large model UFO statue to commemorate the remarkable event. And now, thanks to the tireless and intrepid reporting of my friend and UFO investigative James Fox over the last 15 years, you basically have a complete chain of events with human on record witnesses assembled throughout.

You've mentioned multiple times that there is a video of him essentially performing surgery on this alien.

“If you had to guess, do you think that the tape is lying around in private civilian hand?”

How do you think it's in his house still? Many of these witnesses needed to be hounded over decades by local UFO researchers just to come forward, and none of them have made a penny off their testimony.

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“Carlos Desoza, thank you so much for being here. It's an absolute honor to have you.”

I feel like I know you somewhat from James Fox's amazing documentation of your experience

in the moment of contact. I want you to take us back to the day you had this experience with the UFO, and just give me as much detail as you possibly can about what happened in the moment by moment. In 1996, I was doing a course to become an ultralight pilot. And on my graduation, the colleagues invited us to go to the farm of one of their grandfathers. To have a barbecue, have a good time, spend time together, you know, in between friends.

So I told them, look, I'm going to mean this, and it was going to be in Threysquadassoise, which is a city after Vajinha, which is a closer city. I left it night at a small company. So I left, and went toward Vajinha. And halfway along the way, I stopped and slept a bit to get some rest, it was night time. So the next day, I would wake up early and continue the journey, uh, better rested.

“Well, on that day, I woke up. I left early. I think around five, five, fifteen in the morning,”

very early, and I started driving and left. When I was getting close to Vajinha, what happened? I saw, then I stopped, and then I stopped to look to head, and I saw an object pass over the road. And I noticed that the object was having problems. It was smoking.

From my point of view, at first glance, I never, never imagined that it was some sort of flying object, a ship.

I thought it might have been a, a blimp. In Brazil, during that time, in '96, it was very common to have blimp's, flying over the stadiums, to film the football games. So, for me, it was a blimp. That's all. Just letting you know that I didn't see an immediately think, oh, that's a UFO. I thought it was just a plain old blimp. But I could see that there were problems, and I could see that when it changed angles, there was a tear in the side,

and a lot of smoke coming out of that tear. In other words, I thought, oh, maybe they hit something, a surface of tower, maybe a tree, a hill, and it ripped the side of it, and they're losing altitude, they're falling. But as every good pilot and human being for that

matter, you don't think of anything else. The first thing that comes to mind is, hang on,

there are people in there. They will need help, because only pilots understand what an aircraft

“crash is. In that exact moment, that's what went through my mind. There are people in there,”

they're going to need help. I'm going to them to help them. And see what's going on. And see if I can come to their aid. Immediately, I got into my vehicle, which was a small pickup truck, and followed the aircraft. So, what happened was, it simply appeared to begin to lose altitude. Then all of a sudden, it seemed to gain power and started rising again. And I thought, well, the pilot, or whoever's piloting this craft, this limp, as I thought it was,

knows what they're doing, because there's a city ahead of them. And it appeared to not want to fall on the city, and so it was increasing altitude. And so I thought, wow, they're really clever and trying to avoid a bigger accident. So it crossed over again. So once again, it came, started rising, crossed again over the highway, and went toward an open field, and following it, I looked up. And I could see the object, all of a sudden,

lose altitude totally and fall. And at that time, I accelerated as much as I could, and entered in the very first possible roadway to go to where I believed the

object. It crashed, it seemed to have bounced the rear end of the craft, which was completely

“destroyed. It replaces everywhere, and the front of it, which was practically half of it,”

slid further and ran into a tree. That's literally what it did. It ran into a tree. Hit the tree and stomped, and this rear part, mainly wreckage, and from inside the car I was terrified. I thought, my God, there must be dead people in there. To me, it was a limp. It wasn't.

I never thought it was a spacecraft or a UFO or extraterrestrial. No way. I just thought

it was a flying derogable. And I came down, terrified, and went toward it. The very first thing that I observed and that really caught my attention was the smell. Because at that moment,

“what I was expecting was the smell of diesel fuel or carousine or aircraft fuel. It's normally”

a very strong smell. And on the contrary, the smell that I felt at the crash site felt like a ammonia. It was very strong. I don't know what was the fuel or the substance that was there,

but it was a very strong smell, something different, and it began to burn my eyes.

So I brought my shirt up over my eyes because of the sting, protect my nose, and immediately it couldn't have been more than two minutes later. Coming toward my car was a military convoy. That convoy had a front truck with a cheap

“and you could see that there were officers, an ambulance, and two other trucks. These tarp”

covered trucks from the army, and they stopped in front of my vehicle. A bunch of soldiers got out of

the back, and they didn't appear to get out randomly. They formed a V formation to close off the perimeter.

And from the front truck, there were officers and soldiers that caught out from that Jeep. And one of the officers said, "Look over there, send him away, you can't be here," he shouted, "and a soldier, huge, really strong, probably two meters tall, really strong, came running, shouting, "Get out of here, get out of here!" And just at that time, I could see quite a few pieces of debris on the ground, and I picked them up, and it was kind of

curved, and that I was surprised to see how light it was. You know, aluminum foil that you use to wrap up chicken to roast, that you use normally in the kitchen, it was that kind of weight. It didn't weigh anything at all. And I thought, "Well, this is strange." All right, so I said, "I'll keep it." And so I crunched it up. And so I made this kind of movement, you know, to put it in my pocket. And what happened was this foil or this sheet regained its shape.

So I thought, "What is this?" I was completely floored at that moment, and then that soldier arrived, took his rifle, and started hitting me on the chest and saying, "Get out of here." And I started to question him, saying, "No." There are people there who are going to need help. I'm going to help them. I'm a pilot, man. I know what they're going through. I want to help them and he said, "No, get out of here." And I confronted him and I said, "No,

I'm going to stay." He took a step back, raised his gun, cocked it, and pointed it at my head. Pointing at my head, right here, and said to me, "I'm not asking. I'm giving you an order. If you don't leave, I'm going to blow your brains out." Then I started shaking all over. I thought, "My God." Well, no, no, no, no, no. All right. I'm sorry. I'll leave. You hit my hand and through the piece of debris out of my hand.

because I wasn't understanding at all what was happening.

I did a u-turn on that small road and went back to the main highway, and I was in such a state where I thought, "I can't fly like this," because in order to fly any aircraft, any vehicle,

“you have to be at peace with yourself, especially when your life's at stake.”

So you simply can't be all, "Oh, I'll fly no matter what." That's not how it works. You have to be centered, and there was no way in the state that I was in. So I thought, "I'll go back, have some coffee, you know."

So I can relax a bit. At that moment, when I was going back,

the following thought came to mind. Look, this is probably a government experiment, because I didn't think it was a spacecraft or an extra terrestrial object. To me, it was a government experiment that I shouldn't have seen. In other words, I was in the wrong place that the wrong time saw what I shouldn't, and they sent me away. To me that was it, period. I turned around, went to get some coffee, and when I stopped,

because in Brazil, every gas station, they have places where you can have coffee,

something to eat, and they're always at the side of the road. I went in, told the young man,

"Could you please get me a coffee?" And he said, "What's wrong, Mr? You're shaking. I caught my breath, and saw a black car. It's what at the time in Brazil, we would call an obbala, was popular in Brazil. It pulled up two people in black suits, white shirts, one of them with dark sunglasses, one of them took them off. Looked at me and said, "Are you Mr. Carlos de Sosa residing in such place? Your wife's name is

“such and such. This is your company's name. I looked at him and I said, "What are you crazy?”

Who are you? To interrogate me?" You nuts? He pointed a finger straight in my face and said, "Just a word of advice. You didn't see anything. You don't know anything. If you open your mouth to anyone about this, you're going to have serious problems for the rest of your life. So leave, get out of here and keep quiet. I leaned on the counter. With no idea what was going on. No idea whatsoever. The young man behind the counter served me my coffee and he said, "Mr.

I know some people in the highway police. They can't talk to you that way. So he gave me a little napkin and a pen and said, "Right down the license plate and I'll pass it on to them. To discover who these people are, they can't talk to you that way. So I got the napkin,

“the pen, and went to the door and the car was leaving, and whoever said there was a license plate.”

The car didn't have one. At that moment my blood pressure just dropped. Really, it just dropped completely. I was like, "My God." So then I got back into the car. Thank the young man and thought to myself, "I'm going home." I'm going home because I'm in no condition to do anything. I was still shaking completely. Just wouldn't stop shaking, breathing heavily, trying to process in my mind what was going on. So I got back in the car, drove to saltbottle,

got home and told my wife, "This, this and that happened." She said, "Look, don't say anything about it. We don't know what it is, and we're not going to meddle with what we don't know." Fine. A week passed, but it was still on my mind. To me, up to that point, that was a government experiment. It was no longer limp and was now a government experiment. I shouldn't have seen. I kept my mouth shut. And after some time went by, something like eight or nine months, maybe. The case that

became known is the Vajnya case showed up in the media. Because the Vajnya case came about a week, five or six days after this. When those girls saw the creature, they saw that being. Five or six days after I saw the crash of the object in the town of Vajnya. And I heard later on from some specialists that there's a river called the Hu Vajnya. And from the crash site to this river, there's a distance of about 50 or 100 meters. And the river runs right behind the place where these

girls saw the creature. Just behind it in the town. I heard about it from the media.

oh, I knew it. I'd be lying. And it was during that time. How do you say? A UFO researcher

called Claudia Gouval. He's already died. He went to the media in Brazil and asked for the love of God if anyone has any information to come forward. Because the question at the time was, where did these

“creatures come from? If they're here, they came from somewhere. Was there a crash? Did something happen?”

They didn't just appear out of thin air. They had to have come from somewhere. Because you see, I'm not dumb. Come on. It hit me. I thought my God, could it be? Of course. Of course it did. So I picked up the phone and I called

Claudia Gouval. At that time, there was only landlines. You know, with rotary dials. Especially in

Brazil, this technology was still very old. You had to dial the numbers. It was analog. So I called him and said, is this Mr. Claudia Gouval? He said, yes, speaking. If you'd like to know where the ship crashed, I do. I'm pretty sure it's the same ship because I didn't have 100% certainty.

“But I said, look, I'm almost sure that this is where the craft fell. All of a sudden, his tone”

completely changed over the phone. Please, please give me your address. I'll come over and see you. You took down the address and didn't 15 to 20 minutes here arrived at my company, actually. So he arrived there and I said, look, let's talk somewhere far away from the company. At the corner of the street, close to my company because I wanted to keep it separate. And so we talked and he asked me how it happened and I told him everything that I told you right now.

So he said to me, look, could you take me there? And I said, absolutely. But of course, I can't go during weekdays because I have my company to look after.

“So we'll go on the weekend. Okay. So we went on the weekend. He came with his car.”

And we went to Vajn, and along the way, I told him the whole story. And I took him to the crash site. When we arrived there, he sat down and was like, my god, you know, why? The tree that I told you about, that the ship ran into was burnt to a crisp. And from the foot of the tree, there was a kind of a circle, an elongated circle. All of the vegetation was growing around it except for inside that circle. There wasn't anything,

anything at all. Nothing. And he said, my god, and it was the shape that I described to him. I told him, and he asked me, what was the shape like? I said, it was like a cigar, a cylinder, today. It's known as a tic-tac. The same shape. So people can understand the actual shape of it. People like to say, oh, there were blinking lights. Not true. There were no blinking lights. It was only that kind of aluminum foil, very polished, and the early morning sun.

Its rays would reflect on it and it would shine. But there were no lights. Oh, there were colorful blinking lights. No. There was none of that. Only the shine of the actual metal. So he got down there, and he took samples of the tree, took samples of the soil, and took them. Months later, and he recorded all of this using super-rate cameras, which were big cameras that we had at the time. Not entirely sure he had to use those film roles that get to put in to record.

It was the latest thing in technology at the time, at least for us. So he simply collected those samples, took them to the lab, and some months later he said that the lab results indicated that the burning of the soil and the tree was caused by chemical products. And that they were unknown. In other words, if I had any doubts, they were gone then and there.

And something interesting that happened that I always liked to tell is that close to the crash site,

there were two houses. One small simple place because it's a middle of a big valley, and James filmed it there.

and the people that lived there were your typical country people, very modest. They lived there with their family.

“So Claudia Kuovo said, "Look, if you saw it, these people also saw it." And I said, "Yeah, I agree. Let's go there."”

So he went down. The owner of the house started to shout with his sons and his daughters. "Get inside, get inside, shut up, don't say anything." They went in and he locked the house completely from the inside. So we knocked and he said, "Sir, can we please talk to you?" But he kept shouting, "Go away! I have nothing to say to you guys already spoke to the army. Go away!"

And since he wouldn't talk to us, we thought, "I guess we'll have to leave then. We can't force anything out of him." Then we saw the house in front of it, which was a farm right across from it, filled with cattle. And so he headed up there because it wasn't planer anything.

First there was a plain surface, then a huge depression, really deep, way down. Right next to the river.

So we went up and we knocked on the door of this house, the one with the cattle, and the old man came out.

“And we said, "Good afternoon, how do you do?"”

"Could you kindly tell me if you heard anything unusual around here in January?" And the man said, "Of course I did. My entire house shook." And we said, "Wait a minute, what?" I'm telling you, Mr. It was 5 a.m. I came out to milk the cows and all the cattle started to get agitated.

And there was this large noise in my entire house shook. And we said, "My God, we asked, do you know what it was?" He said, "I don't know." Then a bunch of armed soldiers came telling us to stay inside that there had been an accident and that everything was okay and everything was under control. Oh, okay. Probably a cool of a recorded this. He has this recorded on film.

All this testimony regarding the event. Okay, so fine. We returned some time later and used a metal detector on the place. They didn't find anything. They said, "They found these small springs, but all of these testimonies were with this researcher called Kodi Kulval." And he died all of a sudden.

And his daughter kept them. She's a psychologist. And she's, uh, how can I say a very good person, a very comperson, easy going, thoughtful. And she herself says that her stepmother destroyed all the material. And she still has a part of the material. She kept it being his daughter.

So she has that with her. So if you ask me what material does she have, I don't know exactly. All she said was she had a part of it. So I thought, okay, that's good. Ah, cool. His proof. Great. I was really happy. And I was asked, "Why were you so happy?" Because I was tired of being called a liar.

Because when I would tell this story, because you see, when he called the a recorded it, he leaked the recording at the time to a TV network called Rijigloboi in Brazil. And this network every time would ridicule the case. Took away any credibility. Oh, it's nothing. And everyone, be them from Vajinha or all over Brazil,

started poking fun at the story because of them. You know, these people from the press that seem that they've been bought off

“to take credibility away from the story, that's what they did.”

In other words, when footage of me was leaked in the media, specifically a show called Fantastico, which is pretty much watched all over Brazil. Relatives, everyone started poking fun. Hey, where's he? T, where's the alien? Because if someone would say, I saw the creature,

that's a lie. I never saw the creature. I saw the crash site.

There was no time to see if there was a creature or anything. I didn't see anyone. Because I believe I arrived something like three or four minutes after the crash, just after it happened. Oh, you didn't see a creature? No, I didn't. I didn't. But you know, it's not true. I just wanted to say that I too went with Marco in 2013. And I knocked on every single door of

2013. I have, I have it on video. I didn't use it in the film for whatever reason.

But he said, yeah, yeah, my boss was hearing he heard a boom, like a boom sound. And he said it on camera. Oh, yeah, I know it was known. That was 2013. That would have been what, 2014. We did 17 years after the incident. But I knocked on the small house, and they were new. I knocked on any house. It was within a certain proximity. And we got one farm hand to say, yeah, you'd heard that there was a big impact on the boom. Really, really good morning.

“How can, how can we find this material that might exist? Can you get your hands on this material?”

It's said to me about four or five years ago that her, a lot of her father's archives were in the hands of his ex or his milk. I guess it would have been. And that she was very guarded with some of that material. Then she did get a lot. She, I don't know exactly what she had. I can ask. Do you think that she has the UFO material, the aluminum foil like material? No, not aluminum foil. No, let me explain. There's documentary footage filmed by him.

The aluminum sheet, meaning those pieces of the craft, were taken out of my hand by the military at the moment of the crash, okay? That's one thing. Another thing is this happened later. The evidence she has from the soil, from people hearing things, was recorded by Claudio Covo, eight or nine months later, proving all of that. And what I described ended up connecting everything, like putting the pieces together. Everything the girls talked about,

everything people in the city were saying, because it all started there. The first contact, the first moment happened right there. Who is this guy with the super eight camera that went with

“you to take soil samples and to look at the burnt tree? Who is that exactly? That's what you cover.”

Well, look, I know that Claudio collected the material and sent it to a lab. Now, if I told you exactly where I'd be lying, because look, for me, at the time,

it was simply the crash of an object. I never had much awareness of this kind of thing,

because I was never really into it. I was always very skeptical about this type of phenomenon, you know? I didn't really pay attention to it. In fact, a well-known Brazilian researcher, who is a co-producer of Moment of Contact named Machileau, told me something years later, now around 2019, something like that. In an informal conversation with friends, he said to me, "Claus, do you realize you're one of the few human beings who actually

held a piece of a non-terrestrial object in your hand?" And I said, "Huh? You're right. That's true.

I never thought about it that way. I never, ever gained anything from this.

This is interesting, because just to continue the story I was telling to put everything in order, everything that happened so you can understand the whole picture." When it came out in the media, everyone started mocking me. "Oh, the alien guy. You saw the little alien. People laughed at me. They lied, because when someone is an outsider, they don't have to believe. But when it comes from family, cousins, relatives, that hurts. I was harassed a lot.

“I was ridiculed." Did you ever get a look at the inside of the craft?”

The inside of the craft, because if part of the craft crashed on the ground and then the rest of it kept going, did you ever see the inside or any of the components? "No. No. What I saw, the only thing you could see was half of the craft blown open. You could see there was something inside, okay? Just a silhouette, kind of a shadow, because my eyes were like this, you know? That strong burning sensation was burning, stinging. If I said, "Oh, I saw everything clearly inside. That would

be a lie. I couldn't see it." If I said, "Oh, I saw the instruments inside." No, I didn't. I wasn't worried about instruments. To me, it was a blimp. I was worried about whether there were people heard on the ground. When you smell sulfur now or since then, does it exactly match that smell or is it a unique specific smell? You say ammonia and sulfur? Yes, yes. The smell,

I don't know what that smell was. If I said, "Oh, it was from the creature. I would be a lie. I don't

know. I just know the smell at the site. I don't know if it was the craft's fuel or something else." But it smelled like ammonia mixed with rotten eggs. You mix those two and put them right under your

“nose. Yeah, it's not a good smell. It was awful. What was the exact color of the craft?”

On the outside, it was metallic and on the inside it looks kind of bluish and then defined color. I can't tell you what, it was like this. Nice and clear. You could see everything. No, that'd be a lie. I couldn't really see inside because I was at a distance of maybe where I arrived from the rear part to where it was leaning against the tree. Must have been about 100 to 150 meters away. So there was no clarity, especially with that smell, you know. There was too much going on.

I couldn't say, "Oh, I'm going to look inside." No, I couldn't. I just couldn't see it. How big do you think the craft was? The object was about the size of a mini bus. Like a high school bus. Roughly the same size as a school bus. Do you have any idea as to whether there was radiation or, you know, anomalous electromagnetic activity involved? At the time, no, I wasn't thinking that. At that moment, it wasn't that to me. At that moment to me, it was a

blimp that was in trouble. So radiation, contamination, that never crossed my mind.

If I said it did, I'd be lying. It doesn't cross your mind because you don't expect something like that. It's different from seeing something and thinking, "I'm seeing a UFO. It's going to crash." Oh, radiation. When you look at an object and think, it's a blimp. There are people inside. It's going to crash. And those people will need help. That's all you think about. You don't think about radiation. I didn't think about radiation at any moment. No, I didn't think about it.

Did it feel like time was moving slower in any way or did it feel like, you know, you literally just thought this was this kind of blimp or derigible and it had, you know, crashed? No, time felt normal. There was nothing like lapses in time or anything like that. No. Everything unfolded normally. Like regular time. For me, it was normal and ever felt any temporal distortion. And this was the Brazilian army clearly. Like you could make out that it was definitely the army.

Yes, it was near the Ezza, okay? The army sergeant school in Brazil, Ezza stands for Esquale Gisajientes de Záramas. I didn't know that, okay? In fact, the ones who told me that were James and people from the Ufology community that this small road I mentioned leads directly to the Ezza. So it would be, let's say, a shortcut they used, because to get to the three square

“swans using the official roads, you have to take a long way around. You go all the way around like this.”

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that this was the mechanic for the trucks and as a military base. And he said that he had to make all these extensive repairs on the suspension at that time because he was like they must have been flying down pothole dirt roads because they just did a lot of damage and he had to make all these repairs. Wow. I thought that was a really interesting connection. Well I also think it's an interesting connection that the you know it causes saying that the material is lightweight but maybe it's you

know a lot of weight you know if you're putting a school bus on your truck you know you know that might have the suspension might break. I think it was more for them when they were racing to get them to the site that they were flying down the dirt roads because they got there within minutes. So I was a speculation right. But it's interesting that we had that connection and we got to him through the nurse that we met the night we bought all the doctors together. She was the one that

was telling us more was there. I know it to those telling the truth I know and we were like how do you know and she was shaking she goes because that was there. Well and then we went and met with her at her house and that her partner was the mechanic for as a trucks and he's the one that told us all these reparations had to be made repairs had to be made because he was assuming that they were speeding down the pot hold dirt roads. Just another little piece of the puzzle an interesting

aspect of it of very interesting. And did you hear independently anything about the material being sort of aluminum foil like or you know if you crumple it up it goes back and do it's already

“no the only thing I heard was people first hand witnesses I personally interviewed and it said”

it was cylindrical shaped like a school bus like a cigar had no control services that kind of thing and another interesting aspect of it is Dr. Armando who did the autopsy on the deceased military officer he has two friends farmers that saw exactly what he saw before crashed just in a little piece that yeah the puzzle there's it is so many aspect of of this story. Well you also have farmers documented in moment of contact you also have a guy who looked outside his window

you're looking at it and then you you show the entire flight path. Yes and then I think what I love to be honest about Carlos de Sousa's testimony specifically is you have this very dramatic part of moment of contact where he's showing you the sight crash sight and to me if you were a liar he would have said here it is but he gets there and he goes it wasn't here in fact the landscape has changed and he goes I'm looking for this white house I swear it's a white house to white house

and he took you for two hours yeah I thought this was the I was so disappointed at the time I was like oh my god this is going horribly how could this guy not remember where the spot was and and then when he sees the actual spot not only do you see different topology and vegetation a different color coloration of the ground locally where he says the spot is but he starts crying and he's it's this very moving part of the movie where you say a key a key and you see break down and I don't know

“I don't think you can fake that so yeah I mean you have to ask yourself you know why”

witness has come for it's not selling a book he's not selling a documentary we chased him down

we found him marker lay out found him chased him down and he finally agreed to meet with me

so it'd been 26 years of the time wow you know and I was like man if this guy's lying we don't need any more bread pits or lean order capitals exactly and this remarkable encounter you had at this sort of food stand afterwards with this guy who's wearing a suit two guys wearing a suits and an unmarked car he walks out a lot of people in the US like to talk about this men in black phenomena

which are you could say they're the first responders when it comes to sort of alien experiences

did they seem like they were human and they were coming from intelligence agencies or army affiliated or did they almost seem paranormal or alien themselves uh to me they looked normal I mean

“the only thing to caught my attention because I'm a short guy I'm not tall you know not big or”

muscular was that they were very tall okay they were about the height of someone like James or other tall strong people very military looking you know big muscular ripped I'd look up at them and like huh okay yes sir they were strong okay but if someone says oh they had weird eyes or

something that's a lie they were normal people okay normal human beings just strong and very well

dressed only one of them spoke the other stood next to him just watching wearing sunglasses silent he didn't say a word you finish speaking they turned around and left got into the car and drove away that was when I went to look at the license plate and there wasn't one that's when all of this happened what's so remarkable to me is that they know all these personal details about you your family

“or address hours after you see this event and we're talking about 1996 so this is really before”

the internet before large databases in the US let alone a small town in Brazil so have you speculated about that and thought about how how did he get that information let's correct the story it wasn't hours later it was minutes later it was a minute and 15 minutes 10 15 20 minutes at most so how how does he know they were this question you're asking me is the same question I've been asking myself for 30 years that same question I've asked myself for 30 years how

because that was one of the things that terrified me the most so much so that when I went back to São Paulo and gave this interview to called the Cuavo this ufologist nine months later I deeply regretted it because my life turned it to hell at the time in Brazil all phones were landlines so phones didn't really exist they looked like more radios you know can you read me over that kind of thing the technology was very basic just starting out so 99.99% of the population

had landline phones they had the uh the rotary dials for you to dial the numbers to make a call and I started to notice that every time I picked up the phone to talk there was someone on the other end listening because when what cloudier released aired on global when it leaked you could tell I even changed phone numbers and it didn't make a difference that really started to irritate me and my company inspections started showing up audits tax checks things like that

you know when it feels like someone is looking for something wrong where there isn't anything in other words looking for the smallest excuse to shut you down but those inspections lasted days normally they'd last hours but these went on for days and in front of my company unmarked cars would show up cars without identification fake plates were no plates at all they just sit there watching

watching when you walk toward them they'd start the car and leave they never said anything

and no I was never threatened with death later that's a lie nobody ever threatened me with death but you could feel the pressure like they were saying if you keep talking things are going to get ugly something serious is going to happen to you so you were kind of harassed and intimidated do you think about these men and black characters 10 to 15 minutes after so remarkable to me I take back what I said it's not only unlikely it's impossible that they can know that information

in that amount of time do you ever think that maybe they were not human themselves or they were

“somehow protecting or in coordination with the beings that came down in the ship and crash I believe”

I know just as much as you do okay it was just as surprising to me as it is to you and as I've

information so quickly I came up with a hypothesis that it might have been through my cars license plate at the time radios were very common right and through radio communication they may have gathered some information and started passing it along to those people that could be it now

“listen I'm not saying that's what happened I'm just raising a hypothesis because that was also”

one of the things that scared me the most at the time because the crash itself to me had been just a normal crash of an object I saw something that at that moment I thought was a government experiment something I wasn't supposed to see but when they arrived so quickly that's when I thought my god what is this that was truly frightening and the most interesting part is that after all that process with global and everything being threatened and all that my wife turned to me

and said look shut up don't talk about this anymore disappear so I disappeared I changed my phone number moot houses later I returned to the same place where I lived today but at the time I moved

“into my father's house my father was since passed away it moved to the beach and moved into his house”

you see and basically erased my trail and what's interesting is that the current researcher

moxleyau one day I'm at home calm and relaxed when my phone rings excuse me is this mr. gauss and I thought who wants to talk to him burned once afraid of cold water who wants to talk to him no please don't hang up my name is moxleyau I'm a ufologist and I'd like to talk to you about the vahjinha case the reason I accepted after 26 years actually 25 years this first contact happened about a year or two earlier was because a week earlier I got with birthday party for one of my wife's cousins and I don't

know where they got it from but they brought this story back up and started making fun of me some of them have been drinking a bit too much and you know drunk people have no filter they started crossing the line that made me really angry I told him I said I'll prove it to you even

cursed at him at the time used a swear word I said I'll prove to you that I'm not a liar I never

lied I never gained anything from this and I won't lie now one day I'll prove it to you I'll have the proof and then sure enough Marcus called me the following week so I killed two birds with one stone I thought okay this is the moment to speak up do you know James I didn't even know James existed I had no idea who James was nothing to be very honest my life was fine just the way it was so so I went to the house of a friend of Marcus in a neighborhood called modum b in sampaolo

inside of very small apartment we recorded the interview I told my story he said look let's verify this I said yeah that's fine then he said wow you're account is exactly the same as the one you gave 25 years ago identical not a single detail has changed I said guys I'm just telling you what I saw I don't need to lie all right okay thank you when we finished recording he tried to give me some money I told him no thank you I don't want it no I really don't want it I'm not here for money I don't need it

seriously I don't need it I said do me a favor just one thing take that money and donate it to a charity that needs it because I don't need to live off this yeah you have my word so I told him go donate it he said but I said donate it you said all right so after that I turned my back about a year later he told me that there was a filmmaker a well known American documentary filmmaker who was coming to Brazil and wanted to meet me

he said his name was James Fox I asked who was James Fox he said in the United States he's very

“well known you don't know him I said sorry man but I honestly have no idea”

then he James asked me if I would agree to tell my story in the documentary I said all right and then but I made it clear I don't want to earn anything

I never wanted to make money from this story I never made a single sentiment nothing

it's absurd when people have a story and exploit it charging appearance fees and things like that I mean sorry for the word but that's bad character people who take advantage of others

“in any situation you have to be an honest upright person with integrity one of the things”

I admire most about James today after getting to know him and I even say he's like a brother to me I have a special affection for him is his posture the kind of human being he is he's an upright person someone I truly admire as a human being because he's honest in what he says he only seeks the truth

I've never seen him hide a lie he's the kind of guy that if you're lying he'll tell you straight to your face

look man this story doesn't add up this is a lie he'll say it what is your family think now they were so skeptical you know just five six years ago they were making fun of you at this party now that you've been documented thoroughly by James Fox and two moment of contact movies what do they say to you now what's interesting is that my own brother he's American he's a US citizen he's married to an American woman has American children

and has lived here for over 30 years okay and when he found out he said man you never told me anything

I told him this is my story nobody needs to know because being humiliated being called oh you're the brother of the guy who saw the alien did you see the little alien too I didn't want

“that kind of ridicule for him or for my family so I kept it to myself that's why at that moment”

when I took James to the crash site for me it was like imagine a damn bursting a mix of emotions all those years with everything trapped inside you unable to talk about it not telling anyone

not even family always hiding and you think damn am I going to have to humiliate myself all over again

am I going to go through everything I went through back then I didn't want that for my family especially not my family because when you truly love someone you don't want anything bad to happen to them at all that's why with my older daughter and my younger daughter I always hid many things from them so they wouldn't suffer bullying at school kids making fun of this kind of thing like I always say

“hit me hurt me even kill me if you have to but don't mess with the people I love”

they're not to blame if I made some mistake take it out on me not on them protect them how are you emotionally affected after the original experience and then the sort of men-in-black experience and then you're getting harassed you have to start to think in your head there's something and then all of a sudden you you get corroboration that these three you know girls see a being five six days later in town you make this connection that this might not be from here it

might be ET it might be a non-human entity as soon as you start to make that connection how does that impact you emotionally and as far as your world view after what happened for me when everything came together when everything clicked that's when I truly realized what had happened and what hadn't changed a lot inside me truly why because the idea that we are alone in the universe was never hard for me to accept in billions, billions of planets for us to be the only ones

with life would be like looking at your own belly button and saying I'm the only being that exists on planet earth in other words that's impossible our universe is enormous advanced intelligence has exist for me today the question is no longer whether extraterrestrial life exists that question is minimal the real question is who are they and what are their intentions that's the big question what are you think I want contribution when you're ready good I firmly believe okay that I don't want to go on too long

but I believe we are a biological experiment created by evolved entities putting religions aside

same time I believe in none I believe in the essence of religions not in church labels or institutions

“makes sense um change his brother lived not far from where I am at the New York or New Jersey or”

something and so I said hey man your doors open I'd loved to have you out there you can some stay with me put you up in my barn you can watch the editing process mark away I was there and so he took us up on it and we invited him to stay with us for a couple of weeks which he did and we went hiking we went out to eat and held levels down we were working every day as well and in the edit room I was going through the interview with military x at the time military x wasn't

disguised when he was looking at it and military x I asked military x some question and he's like

he's like everything that happened in Virginia started in my early farm and he he watched that and he had tears pouring down his face because he was just like this weight off his shoulders yeah and I got to witness that as he saw it like it was like I've been telling you you could look like up and tell us how long it sounds like this has been a process of constant vindication over time because you see this thing you think it's some sort of you know aircraft or blimp and then you

have this weird foil aluminum foil like material then you have this kind of very bizarre men and black experience where they seem to know all your personal details then you hear

“about the girls seeing the being in town then you have military x you know this witness key witness”

involved in the transport of the being talking about how you know it all started around my early farm which is where you saw the crash and then you have all of these tests being done on the local soil and on the you know that the tree and stuff and so data point after data point after data point continues to corroborate your initial experience has there been anything that's come out that has made you doubt the experience no nothing at all today ever since everything clicked

for me I have no doubts none no doubts whatsoever an absolutely certain it was an extra extra object I saw the crash I witnessed it and I say this I swear it on a Bible I swear it on anything you want if I'm lying I'll do whatever you want with whoever you're testing I swear to it and your testimony today your testimony a few years ago with James and your testimony you know at this point thirty years ago pretty much the same every single time yes because the truth I can

I can invent something I didn't see I'm telling what I saw and that doesn't change if you witness a fact today that same fact will still be the same 100 years from now it doesn't change and one of the things that caught my attention the most in all of this happened right after James's first documentary aired maybe later he can even confirm this the crash site went 26 years without anyone touching it just as I saw the crash James even commented that the vegetation

grew differently the tree was still there burned completely burned just as it had been and the vegetation in the burned area clearly showed that the soil was different you know

and here's what's interesting when the documentary came out

person from Europe a businessman called me and said he wanted to meet me and was curious to visit the site and that he would pay me I said the same thing as always look I don't want to make any money

“take that money and donate it if you want to go I'll take you no problem I've got time just pay for my”

gas so I can get there it's another state you covered the hotel those things just pay my food and gas and that's it I'll take you there and show you when I got there with this man we met up in Virginia and he said shall we go there let's go let me tell you I was shocked I sat down I didn't know whether to cry laugh or panic I even made a remark to James James went there shortly after that they had done land grading literally there must have been around seven or eight meters of earth

soybeans here they planted soybeans what they spent to remove that amount of earth just to plant soybeans makes no sense they would have to plant soy there for a thousand years just to make a profit

“now listen for me me personally what I believe that happened at the time of the crash someone”

must have gone to them and said get rid of all this and they didn't like a typical Brazilian response

now do it later it's fine that thing we call the Brazilian way it's terrible we always leave things

for later until the very last moment that's one of our traits in this case I'm grateful for the little Brazilian way because maybe that means we can get more of a smoking gun that's something happened James have you ever thought of bringing a geiger counter looking for levels of radiation or metal detectors or you know you could do a grab a tomater anything like that once ago I have a friend who's some quasi-professional with a metal detector and we went out there

for a day or two one we did in the evening it was so hot during the daytime and he he looked to me and he's like man this whole area has been all up turn like it had changed when we flew

our drone over it when we were first me with him at the 26 years out of the site you can clearly see

from the air a visible difference in the soil like just from oh the top is so obvious and then it's changed since then they bulldozed it or something they've shifted it's up all around and my friend said do that would need this is a job and after a couple of days he goes I would need probably several months out here we do have that time how you get something that should be done and also another a comment by the forensic pathologist Dr Armando he said perhaps we could

do some soil samples and bring soil samples we could take a close look because he thinks that

the anything left behind would have been macro particles but they could possibly do so I'd probably

go out there with a geologist and find out where the best areas of runoff animal mounds and mounds you know areas that were where this debris would most likely end up after 30 years

“yeah gather the samples and get a man was I think another good idea is like there's ground penetrating”

radar you know are the things that penetrate even more deeply than you know metal detector like you might want to speak to brand and fugal or you know people who are dealing with what they think of as kind of exotic underground objects and you know how they're and honestly I'll do that as soon as you human as soon as humanly possible because we're we're going to be amplifying the story and so that the anti bodies might come out carlos this experience must have been so profound and

I imagine it's impacted you really really deeply have you ever gotten a hypnotic regression to recall vividly what might have happened yes I did I did it at the beach with a friend person we call saga he's well he says at least he told me that he's one of the specialists in Brazil who does regression hypnosis and he showed me some things that left me kind of shocked

if I told you oh do you remember what you said no he showed me the video okay and that really shook me what he showed me what did you say well according to what's recorded there

“it says that I had a mental contact with the creature I don't remember that if I said I do”

that would be a lie okay and if you ask oh do you remember it no that would be a lie I only saw it in the recording he made but I can't confirm it myself I can't say yes I remember I only talk about what I actually remember in that hypnosis he says I became very distressed very worried it even happened at the beach we were there relaxed and he said let's do the hypnosis the regression and he got scared this saga guy got scared so much so that he suggested let's

write a book and I said no no no forget it erase this wipe it out I don't want to know about this I don't want to make money I don't want anything from this what was the nature of the mental connection and was anything transmitted was anything said between the being and yourself according to what's recorded there this part is erased for me I don't remember it okay I'm only going to report what's on the recording it says that I was desperate trying to get closer

for you here don't come closer go away stay calm we're fine stay calm you can go we just want to

thank you for your concern thank you for worrying but we're fine stay calm we'll talk but stay calm stay calm we're fine be at ease we're fine and I said please I want to help no calm down

“calm down that's what's recorded there do you remember this no I don't remember it and don't worry”

because I'll make this very clear to the audience this is the more speculative part that you are not you're admitting you're not sure of and this is it's a modality that a lot of memories when it comes to traumatic or a very anomalous events get fractured and this is a real modality that

helps you retrieve real memories in many cases so we're taking this maybe with more of a grain of salt

then the rest of your testimony but I do think it's important also if we're trying to get a little deeper into what might have happened you have to hold it loosely but I do think you have to view it as data so you mentioned that the being said they wiped your memory is that is that true they they said that they didn't want you to remember what had happened according to what was recorded there

“they told me that I would never remember that it would be very dangerous for me they didn't want”

me to remember there would do everything to make sure I wouldn't is there anything else you said about the communication between you and the beings in that recording no no what I remember is only that okay then I started getting very agitated in the recording I started crying getting extremely agitated about everything suddenly he himself stopped it and said no calm down I mean my heart was racing I was you know really worked up he said calm down then he brought me back ended it

the regression the hypnosis right he stopped it there after that he told me this was one of the these are Dr. Saga's words that this was one of the most impressive experiences he had ever seen in his life and this hypnotist had no experience with people who've had alien visitations or abduction experiences or anything like that I don't know I really don't know how to tell you I met him on the day of the first screening of James's film we went to Sudokaba which is a city in the

state of São Paulo it's called Sudokaba where the documentary premiered and that person was there and that's where I met him there was also another doctor there who wanted to do hypnosis with me

but I tried to schedule it with her and she was always unavailable busy traveling then Saga came

and said come on let me do it I'm just as much as specialist as she is I said all right and he did the regression with me after that I never wanted to do it again and I don't want to the experience was horrible I felt very bad afterward really bad I don't want it please I kept saying no no no please I don't want this I felt terrible afterward I can't explain the feeling and gave me I interview many experiences some of whom were tree more about their experiences through hypnotic

regression and they say always say the same as you they say we can't say that part for sure is true we know what we experienced in our waking reality and then some of these other things might have happened as well but it's interesting the one common thing that they all say is their heart speeds up in certain case one of them went into a fibrillation because he was re-experiencing the beings so it seems to be this traumatic thing that we repress and that you know often comes out

I guess you know kind of point blank my question to you would be in your hardest of hearts do you think what came out in that hypnotic regression is real and that maybe you did achieve some sort of mental contact with the beings if you had to guess and we're all giving you the grace to know that you're speculating here and that you're being very honest about the line between what you experience in waking reality and what's coming out through this more speculative

“technique I believe it because I saw the tape the recording if I hadn't seen it I wouldn't believe it”

simple as that if someone came to me today and said hey do it again I'd say no sorry I won't I refuse because I felt really bad afterward and from the recording it's impressive looks like my chest was about to explode you could see my chest moving like this it was something

myself was very impactful I thought wow I could have had a massive heart attack right there

“it was very very intense so I I believe it because I saw the recording he made”

he has it all recorded but if you ask me do you believe it consciously no I don't have that conscious memory and what I don't have conscious awareness of I don't fully believe I'm very how can I put it like same Thomas I have to see it to believe it I'm very grounded I don't like make believe or little stories like oh I saw this I saw that just stories I'm much more about

reality did the event happen it did I report the event period I think honesty and sincerity

come above everything else unfortunately you've followed you worldwide not just in Brazil I mean worldwide is often discredited why because people invent too many little stories you know and people just believe them many times when you start talking to these people you realize the stories make no sense at all they can't explain anything they say they saw something and later

“they didn't and it becomes absurd and that's why I'm very skeptical in that regard”

final question Carlos you are a geography teacher and you're an ultra light pilot how is this experienced changed you know your teaching of geography knowing that we are not possibly the only map with habitable universe and then when you fly do you ever wonder if you're going to encounter the UFOs again first of all is a teacher which is something I truly love being it's a profession I genuinely love teaching sharing knowledge it's a unique experience and what

happened well to this day my students never knew about this story only after James did some of them

start to find out but about 90% still don't know they can't connect the dots they can't link their teacher Carlos to that story right and honestly that's a good thing as a person I believe this difficulty exists all over the world people are very religious many believe deeply in religion and religions often deny the existence of other forms of life believing they are the only beings in the galaxy so many times I hold back I don't talk about it I don't comment to avoid arguments

in controversy because then parents complain to the school principal oh he's talking about extraterrestrials that doesn't exist my priest said this my pastor said that then so on so on that's complicated so professionally as a professional I avoid that kind of topic as a professional in the classroom I'm Professor Carlos a geography teacher I'm there to explain geopolitics geo economics geophysics in other words to teach geography and give my best

as a professional to my students now as a pilot of course I hope that one day and I'd encounter something like that again sometimes I even think if I saw an object like the Phoenix lights in the United States that triangle shape and I were flying I'd go to ward it that's a fact but wouldn't you be afraid no I even joked about this with James once I said James if you encountered a craft and they said come with us what would you do he said no I have a young child I laughed and said

oh no I'd go without a problem because something really I don't know changed you know the world I don't believe they're here with bad intentions because if they were they would have taken over a long time ago just imagine as a human being that there are beings capable of crossing the universe with the technology to travel across space do you really think we as mere humans would have any way to fight them if they wanted to invade us they would have done it long ago

“so the only thing I can believe is that they're here to help us and of course we hope that's the case”

that's it there's nothing more to say as a pilot I'd love to meet them as a teacher I keep things separate

I've spent 23 years in the classroom in schools and I was also an entrepreneur for 25 years

“so I can't mix things up what I believe what I know what I saw I don't have the right”

to impose that on anyone else I don't have that right no one does you have free will to believe whatever you want for you to be free if you believe great if you don't that's fine too I

respect you as a human being as a person and I always will Carlos it's been an honor I really

appreciate your testimony the level of descriptiveness and detail with which you recall an event that happened 30 years ago is absolutely remarkable and I just find you to be a very kind of candid honest person I don't sense any sort of deception from you and you seem like a very deep and

“spiritual person as well and like you you mentioned Thomas who wants to know I can tell that”

you have that same streak in you and you're a anostic kind of a meaning seeker and I pray that you keep going on your path and that you get the the truth that you want I'm very grateful truly I only have thanks to give to you to human beings like you like James who might deeply respect Bautori et aludutura mandu serious people people like Bauquidia Liliani her other sister all the girls people who really lived through this I'm only grateful okay

honest good human beings like these who crossed my path are there any key details we

“missed here that are worth retelling the only thing I would add is I'd like an explanation for”

why for 26 years not a single straw was removed from that place then after 26 years James's documentary comes out and they go there and remove more than 30 meters of earth I don't understand that if they have nothing to hide why do that that's all other than that everything's fine that's it if you ever need anything I make myself available at any time really if you need me to anyone anywhere in the world the only thing I ask is please cover my lodging and food I'm still human

I eat drink sleep like anyone else I'm always willing to go anywhere to report what I saw

with the utmost sincerity you deserve that and so much more and yeah it's funny renovations 36 years later doesn't make a lot of sense but I appreciate you being here Carlos it's been an absolute honor and thank you for coming to Austin Texas and I hope we could be in touch you know thank you as they say Namaste Namaste too okay it happened to me in the woods I was hiking solo new year no phone no gear I was just trying to find myself that's when I saw it something glowing

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went to humanities humanities as a as a campinus campinus america

“hey if you're filming you have to wear a mask and James and I are going to wear this”

okay the whole contest so let's talk about the context right yes doctor etalo ventorelli the head neurosurgeon at host petal regional was on duty in the ICU when he had the most extraordinary encounter of his life in this room or in this room right here by the old age you can see our students here feeling it was alive in this bed right there so say when you approach the hospital you say is this the hospital where the ET was treated and they're like

yes come inside here black out front you walk into the reception oh yeah he's running around the

back there's somebody still working here that was there that night i mean it's it's it's how do you

“hide the truth right out me over yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no that seems like it's uh not even”

disputed at the administrative basic routine level which is where you expect you expect the bureaucracy to be told hey just keep your mouth shut and in this case they're all just like yeah this is where we treated the ET like and there's out there's a plaque what is the plaque say uh i have to get the literal translation but this is the path of the ET came here to the hotel on January 20th i do

guys that came here this hospital a sudden hospital it's yeah regional yeah it's right out front

i got a photograph of it i can give to you that is wild i'd love to see the photograph also edited show it so i'm here with in my mind maybe the most significant witness when it comes

“to seeing you a foes ET beings beings from what seemed to be another world in the entire world”

and the reason i say that is because of your background your pedigree your a neurosurgeon people depend on you to operate on their brains humanity chain of three hospitals who cannot operate without you and because you spent four to five minutes in your own estimation face to face with one of these entities and so it is an absolute honor to be with you today and i can't think James fox enough for getting you Dr. Armando Carlos Dissosa all to the US this is a dream come true

from me so thank you for being here thank you for inviting me i'm a very simple person raised in a very modest manner i had the opportunity to occasionally help those hospitals i had excellent teachers including some that were american like Dr. Huckton and many wonderful neurosurgeons both from my country and my hometown lottoratacei lottor de mingus moxbini sush and it's a pleasure to be here with you

but i'm just a simple person who had the privilege by chance of seeing a very different kind of being so just for everybody in the audience is sick i would like to know your name and your background both educational background and professional background my name is et aloud en el ventorelli i was born in sampalu i studied in sampalu at the pozo alegris school i did my residency in sampalu and i've been in minagirais since 1983

in the city of vagina the place where i arrived already had a very well-established neurosurgery service run by dotorataceidu and dotor do mingustolidu and i was part of it they already had a whole service setup which allowed me to develop many skills i already possessed and they taught me a lot there so lots of surgeries it's a hospital before January 1996 did you have any interest in aliens, ets, UFOs, anything like that? no i'm a neurosurgeon and we work for the public health system

so we spend most of our time in the operating room so i really didn't have any such interest i did travel to Egypt on an excursion through a course called but i'll view the in sampalu but i had no previous knowledge only later did i try to understand what happened at that moment and you manage three hospitals is that correct? in the past yes but no longer i was the financial

came off of a 48 hour shift so it makes me even more grateful that you're here um i want to get

“into the core details so what happened January 1996 if you could walk me through it and as much detail”

as possible just play by play moment by moment i had operated on a child whose name was Eric 1996 he had cruise on syndrome and a craniosdenosis cruise ons is a surgery that has to be done on the skull and the face we did the cranial part i operated on that child and went to my office nearby i went on foot i went to my office to write prescriptions prepare reports and worried about Eric the whole time i didn't lose sight of him

when i returned after the hospital closed i went in through the corner where cars couldn't

“enter and a reporter from a very large company in Brazil called Hage Global asked me did you”

operate on the ET i don't know what she's talking about there was no social media at the time i thought they were talking about the boy because he was different i didn't even finish the sentence i just said that's no way to speak of someone so i moved on i went into the hospital when i entered the hospital we had a younger colleague called macrosvinesius a younger neurosurgeon who every time we had surgery to perform would ask for certain instructions as he was very young where to open

draw draw here don't go a sit down have a rest but that day he called me to an adjacent room

“and said look what i did he showed me a large camera with what seemed to be a small calculator”

right next to it i looked and didn't understand what it was for a moment it looked like another case of cruise on syndrome it was a child it looked like one but i asked him what is this he said it's here he came over there was a screen a cover right i looked got closer and it was there there was a being there totally different from a human being he wasn't an adult he was like a seven-year-old child

covered here the hand inside here the hand outside very calm at ease the skull looked like a drop the eyes also looked like two drops

lilac not red white skin no foul smell at first glance it looked like Casper the friendly ghost

you know from the cartoon look like him but i looked and the being looked at me very calmly very peacefully he looked out the window he looked back at me very calm and i even asked my colleague and he said what do you think and we approach it as doctors if there's bleeding pain agitation if breathing is normal if there's need for emergency care so i said okay once again what do you think i looked again it's not bleeding it's not in pain

it's breathing normally no problem everything's fine

the being looked at me as i always say it looked at me with a very beautiful look

not a judgmental look not a look of fear it had the look of someone who understands very well what is going on but it was a different person a different being it wasn't human at all it wasn't a case of human anomalies it was a different being i've been dealing with humans for 46 years but back then about 30 years ago we knew how to tell when it was or wasn't a human it looked at me with a very beautiful gaze that left a lasting impression i usually say that

from then on it feels like you turn into a different person and at a certain moment having a

look it moved me i said it looked like an angel looking at us very much so that kind of look

“very understanding very calm very tranquil like it's saying i've known you for a long time don't worry”

i know you took care of me but everything's fine i'm back to normal this colleague had the video he showed it to several people many people watched this video at his house on his computer and then James and the others were there looking for the tape whereas the tape wears the tape i mean if you saw the tape it's wonderful it's short but it's a

different kind of being it's a being that changes the history of humanity because it's the first

time we're seeing a different kind of being there live but i don't have that tape i told James that if i had that tape i would need to be on duty until today i wouldn't need to be working as much as i do and on and on about the tape and then i said i don't have the tape he's already dead but i saw it as soon as i said that i'd seen it James started breathing down my neck everyone pressing me described it described it and i described it a little differently from what people saw

some people said they saw a green being other is a brown being red eyes

perturbrances i saw a calmer being i didn't see all that i don't know if they had already cleaned

“them up at the hospital i don't know the answer that's just what i think and very calm”

and then we managed to get into the hospital for a bit and i apologize to the hospital management i should have informed them we had entered the hospital where it was after that we didn't go in any more and from then on James and everyone else started pulling up the story unraveling the thread gathering various testimonies from people who also saw it and the big problem is that when you talk about this it's difficult for many people to believe you me too if someone told me i'd say yeah

maybe but i can assure you and especially the younger generation who comes after us that i did see it i was there i mean there are more things than our earth and this planet of ours but these wonders of ours there are even more wonders you see and what they ask me about his

“gaze what i convey is that it was a very calm very peaceful gaze which i think we really”

need all over the world so in January 1996 you operated on a child and then you were asked about that and so you said you didn't know about the the the eating being when you're asked about that and then you walked into the hospital and you were as were you assigned to look at the being by markos venesis your colleague or how did you did you just pass by the room or no he happens to be my friend i was on my way to the pediatric department did he want to show you this

being specifically he said i want you to see this right uh that's right come see what i've done had you heard any sort of whispers around the hospital that this being was there no no so this was the first time you just you just walked in you had no context and you just see this being i only realized that the hospital was completely closed down right i went in because i had been the director there very well known wow and so you you see the being what what's your emotion like

when you see what it looks like what how do you process what it looks like how does that sort of sit with you immediately when you see you know this this figure that presumably is like something

you've never seen before in the corridor when he said come see what i've done whenever someone says

that to us who have been doctors for years we automatically think it's an emergency and when i went and saw the tape and saw the being there was a mixture of surprise and relief because the being was all right it wasn't a medical emergency when we're called it's to do a suture to operate to innovate it was fine then like i always say when i'm asked what did i think i could examine carefully it's conscious it's not in pain it's not bleeding

marcos venesis tell you about the being when he shows it to you did he give you any context

“he said i performed a procedure from what i saw on the tape there was a little basin like this”

an amesis basin and a needle holder he probably gave stitches it wasn't a big surgery it was a small procedure on the tape because when i looked at the being there was none of that anymore he was just lying there with a surgical drape one hand in and the other out like this nothing here it's peaceful the bed positioned upright like we do for neurological patients they don't lie down completely otherwise the patient might vomit the patient stays more upright and it's very very comfortable

and it looked at me in such a beautiful way i always say that you asked me what impression i had

to me he was okay he didn't need us and had a very beautiful gaze right look without judgment physical characteristics you've described this before but what exactly did this being look like human i mean humanoid right he had arms he had a chest house wife asked if he had nipples i didn't see nipples i didn't see a nipple lying there like that neck very small mouth the eyes like this is if they were drops like that lilac lilac just like Elizabeth Taylor's eyes

i'd heard about it so when i saw it i was like whoa

Elizabeth Taylor was probably an extra terrestrial right so the eyes the skull in that way that

tear drop shape right and very peaceful there was no suffering there no suffering at all there was no bad smell no odor no nervousness nothing diabolical a very angelic kind of being totally at peace how tall was the being like a seven-year-old child yes seven do you have any sense of the weight i don't know a child of about seven years old lying down i didn't see here you know i didn't see down there it was covered you know what was the nature

of the surgery that was done on this being i think he only gave a few stitches but i'm guessing right i didn't see him stitch it up he must have stitched it up a few times because the surgical instruments in the video were very small he didn't have a surgical kit he didn't have many open tools neuro surgery is all about boxes and boxes of open tools just like formula one you know did you ever ask marcos venesis how did you know how to perform surgery on this being

were the organs similar to human that he already he knew how to do that he'd been working with us for about two or three years but that's not much time for neurosurgery right takes about 15 years

“for a neurosurgeon to mature to gain the experience to do things like you guys here you must have”

a lot of experience to be doing this whole podcast right he knew what he was doing he wanted confirmation being young and it was something so different he wanted confirmation he wanted to share it with someone and since i was the one close to him that day because he shared this with other colleagues other very experienced colleagues but with me and who's dealt with us he's doctors trained in veldu's lunch and many that were more experienced than me but on that day i was the one there

so it's almost like he wanted you to review his work and just make sure that he had done the right yes yes did he take anything out of the head or it was just what was the purpose of the surgery i think was only to give some stitches from the instruments i saw on the table that i saw on the video because when i went to look there was nothing there anymore

“it was covered up it had already happened that's why he said come see what i've done”

okay so it was um not necessarily surgically removing anything it was just repairing no okay yes to repair that makes sense because if you have something that's physiologically very different than a human being if you had to do something more intricate or complex on the organ itself if it wasn't something you were familiar with that would be much harder obviously did you learn anything

beings where their bone structures i can say because from here down i couldn't see anything

“it was covered up there was definitely a bone structure because there was an arm a forearm”

a hand and an impossible thumb as it's called and three fingers here when you're looking at it in the eyes and do you feel like time is slowing or do you feel any other sort of special interesting sensations what you just said is true time slows down it really does slow down because he didn't talk to me you didn't speak to me but the feeling was as i'm describing to you that he understood what was happening he wasn't afraid he was highly intelligent at least more

than i was it's like talking to a child you're talking to the child the child gives you something you say thank you it's okay you can relax he talked to me as if i were a child and what

were the words that were transpiring was it first of all was it verbal was it telepathic

like everything's all right i can't say it's telepathic i have no knowledge of you know parasitology i could ask about this a lot but that was the feeling i had the feeling that everything was all right especially because of that gaze you also have a very calm gaze so it was very gentle very understanding like i understand what you've done for me here thank you but i got to get going i understand everything's fine and he kept looking out the window

“i think maybe to see his surroundings perhaps to see if he could locate where he was to”

situate himself he wasn't locked up he wasn't restrained people always ask me if he was tied up

of course not he was free if you had to guess how many witnesses at the hospital saw this being many people say they cite nurses the radiology technician says he saw closed box but as i'm telling you it's difficult to talk about this subject people say we're crazy there's this thing about neurosurgeons being crazy messing with the human brain right but it's difficult to talk about it many people ridicule us so did you operate on ET was it hard

marcos vinesis your friend operated on the being he passed away in 2018 between 1996 and 2018 did you ever have heart to heart conversations with him like marcos oh my god we've experienced something profound and talk about you know speculate what was this being what were his intentions with us at his house he would show that video to all his relatives all of them there was a sofa we'd go in there was a computer there's little table and we'd sit here and he'd show us then he'd say

did you see this here now he never talked to me about the military never he never talked to me

about any pressure he was afraid perhaps to talk about it and we're afraid even today of losing our jobs of the government taking away our own medical licenses of questioning us and you lose your medical license because it's your source of income where doctors our whole lives it's our livelihood so you talk but with some reservation as if you were a patient you can't go around saying i operated on this patient he had hiv or he had this disease i can't say any of that if someone

over hears that i can be sued so it was a very private conversation or you speak but you don't you know and america we have something called hippa which is what you're saying the you a patient

“confident reality um having said that when the nature of reality is on the line i think what you're”

doing is exactly right and correct and uh yeah yeah so let me ask you a little bit more about the physical attributes is there anything else worth noting about the the blood the texture of the skin any other physical attributes the texture resembled ours i can't say if it was soft or not because i didn't touch it because i'd just come in from the street and we have medical training that teaches us that when you enter the hospital if you don't wash your hands a nurse will already

cap didn't put on his gown and the hospital management then they put it there the doctor went in

“and didn't wash his hands the doctor went in and didn't wash his hands the doctor went in didn't put”

on a mask the doctor went in you understand so i hadn't i just walked in i wasn't in the operating room i wasn't in surgical scrubs i was wearing my street clothes just looking so i didn't touch it and i approached it like this i didn't get that close about a meter like the distance between us here but you could see perfectly that there was no smell it was very clean very calm i didn't see any blood i didn't see any blood stains on the bed were they taking his biomarkers so oxygen level

heart rate those sorts of things was he being monitored for no no it wasn't being monitored at all

because as i'm telling you it was an improvised location clean very clean because the hospital there is very well maintained but it wasn't an area used for surgery it was an area that nowadays is an ICU i'm saying he i'm assuming gender did you have any sense of the being's gender was it male was it female no no no no there was none i can't really say like i'm telling you i didn't see nipples and it had to look like that of a child even many times there are children that you

you can't tell many times by the haircut of their male or female it didn't have hair or fur no fur so i couldn't tell and in our world their earrings lipstick or some different hair cuts to differentiate but it was a very very simple being you mentioned in a past interview with james that the being was like an angel what makes you say that and that we have a lot to learn from the being you said that as well yes we do because it had a look i better be careful i'm gonna cry

it's a look of understanding a kind of paternal and compassionate look like it's saying i know what you're doing but it's all right it's fine whatever you did to me it's over now everything's

“all right i don't know if they arrested him or if they beat him i can't say that's what they say”

and a very gentle very calm look like going peace there's hope in your life keep moving forward but that's my interpretation right so people wonder and ask was there any contact do you have this here like an angel really looked like an angel the kind of being that would forgive your sins the silly things you did in life are an ability and we did so little we could have done perhaps much more for it right but it's not that we didn't want to we didn't know how especially in 96

we had almost nothing you know we had the equipment of that time we didn't have the monitors we have today cameras inner comms monitors blood gas analyzers all those things that allow you to instantly diagnose collect a blood sim take an x-ray you know back then it was what we call proctoscopy the doctor looked and used the cognitive parameters that we have right from so much

“experience let's say our experience that's why called me and i called others many times to”

and asked what do you think of this we talked the doctors talked a lot in person because we didn't have social media i'd tell a story you tell a story we tried to operate as a team because everyone would say something different like be careful with this i would do it this way i would do it that way nowadays doctors are very isolated and spend their time with computers and targets which is fine but it's a different kind of doctor a different kind of person we had the day-to-day experience

i operate with colleagues what would you do i would go this way what would you do now now i would leave

you know that's enough i always say this to the younger ones that's enough so you told marcos

venesis you've done a good job and there's nothing more to do essentially you've done a good job that's it it's all good will you call me if you need anything i will you mentioned that the being almost seem to have control of the room what did you mean by that total control you'd understood what was happening it's like when you see some children play you're an adult you're watching children play

shocked you're calm the window is an open you're aware they're playing what was your first

“instinct when you saw the being is this being related to humanity in some way evolutionarily or”

do they come from some distant place very advanced first like i said that reassuring look indicating that it wasn't an emergency because for those of us who work in hospitals there's like a button here emergency code red it wasn't a code red as you said and mentioned very well time stops it stops it belongs to him that time was ours everything else doesn't exist only that moment right there and it would look at us as if it were saying there's nothing but

this moment anything else is another reality and it's really cool to see since you're asking me

and the words keep coming there's no rush because the world today isn't such a hurry someone

“looks at you you're already doing something else we do three or four things practically at the same”

time and there's no time to give time the time it needs you've mentioned a few times in this interview that there was no smell many of the other witnesses of the being have said an ammonia or sulfur like smell accompanied this being or the craft crashing odorless no smell at all if there was a smell it was the smell of the hospital the smell of those products we use in a hospital there was no bad smell nothing at all do you know what happened to the being so you see the

being how long were you with the being face-to-face initially about two minutes from looking looked this way look that way I turned to talk to mocks between these shoes okay it's

“such a et cetera I looked again another one two minutes about three four minutes in total”

it's like a told James I'm going to the US but what I have to say is this it was those four minutes but four minutes that felt like an eternity I was still wondering this morning we who work in intensive care we examine a patient and we want to come back the next day to see how they're doing if they've improved if they haven't to this day I still want to go back there to see if he's left yet you know what I mean you get worried not all patients we don't get

emotionally attached to everyone but we do with some with children with the elderly someone you saved you got attached you leave and you keep thinking about them right just last night I spent the whole night asking myself about potassium levels and you know over thinking how did you sleep that night that you saw the being oh I didn't I didn't grasp the magnitude of everything that had happened I didn't have the perspective I didn't nowadays I have more of it because of how much it's

talked about how much people think about it nowadays I have a better grasp like I said about last night over thinking things it seems like even now recollecting this memory it's packed with emotion were you sad were you happy or did this excavate some feelings inside of you that you already had

how exactly would you describe the emotional impact of this being at first it was a relief

because when he called me and I saw it I thought it was an emergency that we would have to intubate going to surgery when I saw that everything was worked out I felt at ease after that a surprise because you see something different different being then you start thinking like a doctor again could there be anything else could there be bleeding somewhere there weren't that many monitors so you just keep looking then you start analyzing

then you calm down again and then looking at him you start to get emotional because you begin to see not so much the physical aspect but the emotional aspect the aspect of consciousness you start to analyze other things consciousness moved whether he has the initiative to do things whether he's mobilizing himself whether he's afraid you see other things and as I said

you've done here but it's time to go let's go enough is enough he would even look up to the

“sky to get his bearings because there's a window there without bars or anything you could”

see it perfectly why do you why do you cry when you recollect the experience and what emotion comes up inside of you when you when you just when you think about it because nowadays doctors are criticized for everything they do the colleague I mentioned marks me nieces once we operated on a child and when I went to talk to the mother she started scolding me and he interrupted her saying

"man he's the surgeon not the person that ran your child over he did the surgery so when someone recognizes your work it's really great because our technical work is difficult it requires training but the hardest part for us doctors isn't during everything we see there's a quote from a famous gentleman from Brazil called shukshavyev

“where he says what you tolerate is just as important as what you know”

so you can see that it's a form of recognition it was a being who understood that I was doing like best despite being limited it was the best I could do I was giving my soul everything I could do was being done for him and for me was saying forgive me for anything but everything we know how to

do is being done for you it really is moving it feels like you're stuck in that room and can never leave

like a little piece of a stays there you leave the robot leaves a little piece of yourself stays there you go back there you know how did Marcos Venesis say that it affected him oh a lot he even began smoking more he'd smoke all day I would argue with him and my wife would say stop arguing with him I'd go in the bathroom and see a bunch of cigarette butts on the floor Max Venesis is smoking you're smoking no no it's not me it's my wife he's wife didn't smoke

so one would say stop fighting with him so he he took up smoking because of this experience what the being was did it cause him to straddle he already smoked but then he started chain smoking one after the other why do you think the experience accelerated his smoking high level of stress you know really high level stress you see being a doctor is stressful isn't it because wherever you go you're a doctor if you crash your car you're a doctor if you insulted someone you're a doctor

if you did this you're a doctor right doc so our lives aren't as simple as people say

“we don't earn as much as people say our mental work is immense you have to be polite even when you're”

tired you have to you know you have to answer even when you're busy the work of a doctor here in the United States you have a wonderful medicine but the work of a doctor on the front lines the young doctor is tough you have to learn you have to see their endless meetings many sleepless nights so going back to the question you asked me when he looked at us it was already a look of because otherwise it's just criticism if you get it right you've done nothing more than you do

the anything you did even slightly different you know it's like a fighter he fights 50 fights and the one time he didn't defend himself our Western society hurts people the more successful you become the more criticism you face you see artists great artists great singers if they forget a piece of the lyric all hell breaks loose and how much effort was put into getting an engineer you guys even in your own work if someone says they can't come in because of personal problems

our world is very cruel and there was no look of cruelty there there was a look of understanding a gentle look you don't come across a look like that I have a wife who's a wonderful person and she

sees me that way but most people are critical critical critical critical and this was moving because

it was a maternal look not even a paternal one it made you feel good saying you're good you can go ahead

keep doing what you're doing go like Jesus would say go forth and multiply be fruitful you know

did you ever ask Marcos Venesis what was it like to do surgery on a non-human entity what could be an alien being no he was also very worried you know he wanted our approval so things wouldn't fall on him nothing went wrong because I think they took it away we didn't continue we didn't see how that procedure went we don't know if it worked or not whether it's alive or dead they said they brought it to the United States from area 51 but I don't know if that's just folklore you know

I don't know if that's true who said that the being was transferred to area 51 in the United States

though in Brazil the whole story right Dr. Ahmad is that the army took the story I can't prove anything the story was he was taken carried to come penis to a very famous pathologist of friend of

“Dr. Ahmadus Paliades and that they then took it to area 51 I don't know that's what they say right I'm”

just repeating what they tell me were you witness to the being being removed from the hospital did you have any details on that no I went into the room he was there I left the room he was there I didn't

see if he was taken or removed I did see the army trucks those trucks with the green tarps they were

all at the hospital entrance my car wasn't there I went in because I was on foot I entered through the corner of the hospital everything was cordoned off there you've mentioned multiple times that there is a video around the surgery that Marcos Venesis performed and that he would even show people a video of him essentially performing surgery on this alien where do you think that video is?

“I always thought that his wife had it she's also a very simple modest person I think she”

didn't understand everything he did because he really liked collecting American watches he collected stuff you know related to musicians he used to love buying lots of things online gifts you know novelties a new blood pressure monitor a different kind of stethoscope different things but everyday items cheap things to buy online mostly American so I don't know if she managed to get it that day James went there they searched his whole house you know they took his computer to

where warehouse in San Paulo they didn't find anything either did they I don't know but as I'm telling you it was public property everyone saw it his whole family saw it some fellow doctors saw it but people don't want to talk about it because like they say in the countryside we depend on medical appointments we depend on people seeking us out if they say that one operated on E.T. don't go to him that one's a smoker smoked himself to death drank himself dry

do you have any sense of where this video is right now I think it's still around there but they searched so hard I don't think he had the insight to make a copy and save it for his wife I don't know if he actually did all that you know what I'm saying to think one day they'll need that tape I don't know if he had the foresight to keep it you know so if you if you had to guess do you think that the tape is lying around his private civilian hands in his house in the middle of

a bunch of CDs how you think it's in his house still yes I believe so like I was saying he had the brightler watch collection he had several watches omega he collected a lot of stuff a lot of CDs you know you seem to be implying that there's a connection between his watches and the video what do you think that connection might be? Ray kept it he kept it hidden in a separate closet in his room

“once a lot of his things were stolen after he died that's what his wife says”

I don't even know if the thief knows what they stole no what I mean because there was so much stuff they stole the watch but there are many other things CDs clothes

people he gave away his watches a lot of souvenirs he'd give them away there have to be other

“photographs other videos that were taken at the hospital do you think somewhere a video a photo”

is lying around in private civilian hands a lot of people claim that but you can't really believe it James knows people have already tried to sell so many videos to him but they're not real they're very well put together with lighting props and lights and of course there was nothing like that at that moment it was just that little camera actually a big camera like the ones from the 90s you won't remember your young but they were really big we put them on our shoulder

like this like those TV cameras there were no small tapes no cell phones no internet we didn't grasp the magnitude of all that could happen I at least had no idea about it in 2023 you gave an interview to Marco Leall whose James's co-producer on his movies a famed UFO researcher local to the region and you told him that you hadn't seen the being directly you just saw the video and so a lot of people on the internet and in public are saying you know that's an inconsistency

“in his statements what do you have to say about that well they're right because I couldn't tell everything”

even in 2023 and I didn't want to because it's not as simple as me being here to be here I had to pay people to be on call for me I've exposed myself to doing a lot of things we expose ourselves to the medical council censoring us there are a number of things I'm not rich I live off the work I do but when James went looking for the tape he looked for the tape looked for the tape

looked for the tape he's going to offer a million dollars to Marcus Vinny's his wife if she has the

tape and when they didn't find the tape didn't find the tape I'm in the ICU and he's still interviewing me at one point I said I can't prove it I don't have the tape marks Vinny's his died whatever I say you either believe it or you don't that's a difficult thing to accept but I was in the ICU I thought I was going to have to be intubated I had a pulmonary thrombosis I thought I was going to check out I'm done I had also had a heart attack then going back to talking to James where is the

tape and one point I said I don't have the tape but I was there either you believe my word or you don't but I was there I saw it and I told the whole story that I'm telling you now the entire sequence and how emotional I get when I talk about it I speak mainly to younger people I saw it you can believe it you can not believe it you can tell me I'm this I'm that but it was right there in front of me do you believe it or not and there are so many accounts that make the loan lighter because

as Dr. Armando says he even came with me it's hard for one person to talk about it it's just my word nowadays there are other testimonies that have revealed more things and some Americans were there to encourage us to come here and talk because they also have accounts it's just that they can't talk about it either well in your in your defense my friend Amar was just down in Virginia with you

“and you were speaking to you but there was also a I think a nurse there who had worked under you”

and for the first time she started to speak about this being and it seems like from his assessment

it's an open secret among the hospital people don't like to talk about it but if you really question them and they're in a comfortable private environment they admit that there's something there I think what people might be wondering about in your case because your credentials are unimpeachable in my opinion but they might be wondering why not go from outright denial because you're fear for your life and because you know it's hard to talk about these things

too admitting that you saw the being I think people might have trouble with the fact that you said you saw the video and then you go into seeing the being and maybe that's just nervousness and not knowing how to react in these sort of situations but like I said not even to my children or my wife

I told my wife this this is a closed subject but as I thought I was really going to die and I always said

anything the little I have is enough for myself but people need to know that they have it it's the

“religious people who are afraid I'm not talking about religion I'm not talking about religion people”

say it's a matter of national security that I couldn't talk about it so there's some doctors who treated a soldier he was questioned by the federal police it's not so simple to just speak up people come to demand consequences councils demand answers colleagues demand answers there are so many consequences especially in Brazil you yourselves heard the other day doctors treat a former president and the justice system itself investigates wanting to see what

happened why he did this why he did that it's not total freedom that we have it's a monitored freedom

did anything happen to you did any consequences occur when you spoke out about this no no but I am afraid

“were you ever threatened afraid we're afraid of everything being attacked being murdered”

of religious fanatics coming after us it's not so easy to talk people insult us on the internet who gave you your car I have such a basic car have you ever been threatened or bribed no it's only on the internet that they're very offensive I don't even look do you know anything about possible american involvement you know independent of obviously what people residents of Virginia people in Brazil might think no anything from the hospital as far as like american cia air force

based on all the testimonies and it's suspected that some military personnel know but they can identify themselves they give interviews by modifying their voice they give interviews with their backsterned something did happen because so many people say so many things that these saw so many sightings they're talking off the record they tell us I've experienced that too an american soldier I saw him on the top of my house but if I say anything I lose my pension in the

“US also I should also defend you here and say the way you reacted I think is normal for somebody who”

isn't media trained you're not a media personality um as a guy doctor cizario who's a cardiologist and he has a similar trajectory in the way his story evolved where it is clear to us and we're about to speak to doctor armando who literally did the autopsy on uh Marco Shiraci this soldier who

apprehended this being and seemed to die of a bacterial infection that we've never seen the likes of

before and um this cardiologist who was in touch with and close touch with Marco Shiraci before he died he would say things like Marco Marcos would tell me that he was dying of this bizarre infection it wouldn't stop and that he thinks it came from a possible wound or you know contamination from this oily you know uh kind of a motion that came from the skin of the ET being and um and then he would say things like oh no but his sister told me his sister told me you know and he he wouldn't

know how to react you know if you were um interrogating somebody uh you know would look kind of bad but it would look bad and so far as the real truth being that he actually wasn't close you know uh touch with and communication with Marco Shiraci and so I just I also want people to have that context that if you're if you're not media trained and you're not savvy about this stuff and you're put on the spot by some you know UFO researcher then you might say things that later you know

you regret as far as the inconsistency but it's very natural. So the day we were at Totorojman's house Totorojman's house, Totorojman was a very good friend of mine very reserved, extremely competent but he also has his reservations because he has been questioned before because he tended to the soldier and he went to the federal commission and when I was asked was he tied up, Lutorojman says I'd went I didn't see was he tied up no did you ever interact with Marco Shiraci at all no no I didn't see

Shirazi no we're we're speculating now but what do you think the intent of this being was with humanity at large? So people say that they saw to ship being shot down

you cause he saw it falling it must have fallen there by chance after being shot at

“I don't know by whom but the ship was already shot down that's what I know that's what I think”

that he didn't go looking there he just crashed there so the closest place with decent conditions was there the other towns are smaller many cities don't even have hospitals nowadays it's a much more developed place but back then it had that hospital the regional hospital I want you to describe the video and as much detail as you can and I think this is important because of a video surfaces it should have these details that you're describing

and that's good corroboration both for your testimony and for the veracity of the video

so can you describe the video the the length and then what happens in the video?

“I can so I went into the room the doctor was over here there was a big camera which I held in my”

hand it had something like a calculator small here and then the black and white video a being where the slightly larger head lying down surgical material it was like what we call an amesis basin with a needle holder forceps the being lying there looking at the camera like that without any sign of suffering may have taken a minute and a half or two

so much so that I thought it might be a child with cruise on syndrome

because of the slightly larger head and I asked him what is this he was beside me then he moved over this way and he said it's right next to me from the video this is what I saw black and white a child with a larger head lying down in the same position he was lying in head this way body this way long arms in very calm and he was conscious he was awake he had eyes in the video you couldn't see if

there were pupils because it was black and white only that size and I don't know who filmed it either because if he had surgery someone else intervened or someone else filmed it he wouldn't have had time to film and do that himself the surgery itself isn't shown what's shown is the being it was like a post-operative period it already happened he keeps telling me come see what I did he didn't do it in front of me he did it right there and then you understand

and the material that I saw was this it was just a clamp and forceps as if a stitch had been done like we do in emergency rooms so much so the location was improvised did you see the video before or after you saw the being he showed it to everyone over and over again several times we would go to his house he would show us things other things and he would show us watches clothes instruments blood pressure monitors and you did you see the video before or after

you saw the being directly I saw the video before and then immediately afterwards I saw the being

“I saw the video before so that's why I asked what is this I thought can it be another case of”

Cruz on syndrome I imagine so but it wasn't did you see the video at his house or did you see the video in the hospital I saw the video as soon as I arrived at the hospital he called me over and said come see what I saw come see what I did I went down to that area he showed me the video and I said okay but I didn't understand what it was I asked him what's this could it be another child with Cruz on's we're neurosurgeons not cranial facial surgeons that operate Cruz on's we do the

cranial area Cruz on's are done by other professionals they perform that so I was left wondering what did you do what is this here it is there was a screen I don't know if you understood the sequence uh make sense if you have Michael do you have anything I'm I'm still unclear is to what exactly the surgery was and did he did he look at it and down to I ain't a non-tamed obeying fifth I mean

here I couldn't see this part of him he was on the other side from what I understood and from

the materials on the table and the location it wasn't a major neurosurgery operation neurosurgery involves boxes and boxes and boxes of supplies there are microscopes microscope covers and different surgical attire not there that was a makeshift procedure location that's where he put it together from what I understand he put some stitches in the creature's head from the material that I'm seeing in the video when I looked at it later there was no material left

“it was already clean it was after the surgery I think he only put in a few stitches because”

there was a needle holder why why didn't you look closely why didn't you inspect because he was

here and I was far away he was by the wall I was over here I was preoccupied with other things as I said we get worried about whether they're breathing whether they're bleeding if they're nervous if they're in pain the window was there and he was right there by the window I didn't go into behind it to look at him there but the other doctor you did you speak to him afterwards about what he had done no he said he did a small surgery and look what I did but given the location

everything was for a minor surgery a stitch something like that they didn't have the necessary materials

“but like you must have talked to the other surgeon about what he did to the alien afterwards”

no he only said look what I did I didn't speak to him after about what he did

I thought it was a valve I understood he had put a valve in the being the afterwards I think he put in some stitches that's all what he did was very vague I can't really answer you but then he would show the video to friends and family did he tell that was in the video I saw look what I did that's what he kept saying but did anybody ever go what did you do specifically they were mostly from his family simpler people and the doctors who saw it many times we

many times we didn't even believe it we really didn't could it be a hoax could it be a hoax but how could you put that together so quickly back then I arrived and he already has the being there in the film ready I mean it wasn't something that was planned something that happened right there and then it's all improvised all improvised but it didn't seem like you knew them for years afterwards I mean didn't you ever just go what did you do to the alien why oh we were very afraid to talk about it

you don't talk about patience regarding patience we discuss cases when you have a few cases you talk about them when the team is involved that's fine but otherwise we don't talk about like I operated on that one I got an IV there I did this over there that's not done and did I understand correctly that when you arrived at the hospital that the that the TV global was there and asked you if there was an operation on the alien yes so that means that

can you repeat he say specifically just because the details are so interesting for us um did you like will you park your car you walk in because there's a blockade and there's a key camera so what happened there I didn't have my car I had operated in my office was nearby I went to write prescriptions reports I didn't see patients it was mostly bureaucratic stuff and I was worried about the boy when I returned it was closed no car's could enter

I went in through the pedestrian area and the hospital entrance was there the trucks were here as I arrived the reporter came up to me with a microphone did you operate on the ET I don't know

“what she's talking about and I think one question I know that the audience will ask based on”

Michael's questions which I think are great is if you were brought in by Marcos Venesis to review the surgery because he's saying you're more senior guy you're more senior neurosurgeon I want you to check my work why wouldn't you know the exact nature of that surgery because I hadn't seen Marcos Venesis yet when she came in and asked about the alien I'm out here he's in there there's no

the hospital and went down to the pediatric not not from the TV reporters before that makes

total sense I mean generally like now the specific surgery that was done why don't you know those details given that he was bringing you in to kind of check his work and review it as a senior neurosurgeon but it was to see if the patient was okay that was it just to see if the patient was okay

“was he alive he didn't go into detail about the type of surgery because I think it was something”

so simple that he had no doubts just to stitch he was an experience but not that an experience he performed neurological surgery he mainly dealt with trauma trauma is the first thing we learn because there's so much trauma in Brazil he had no questions he didn't go to ask do you think the surgical technique I used was correct no that wasn't the point it was to see if the being was okay if I hadn't gone there he would have continued seeing patients there he was already fine he didn't

meet me he only asked because he always asked it was more of a sign off someone sat here with me

I didn't do it alone but I didn't do anything I didn't operate he did it alone the credit is his

“now I don't know what happened to him and since I thought it was a very simple question from you”

we didn't even talk about it apparently just to put a stitch in I wasn't going to talk about that my thumbs just like stitches like so he said to you come see what I did like he always did that's right because it's a little strange to be like I just operated on alien come see what I did just like it's a normal thing but was he did he seem like agitated or or at least I didn't have a sense of it until I saw it until I examined it until I calmed down that's when it started to

dawn on me that it was a different being until then we view them as patients at risk of death you see this as a risk of emergency when he called me it even distracted me from there and we I was in a hurry to see the other one then in there I realized there was no reason to rush he had already done it the whole issue of it being an extraterrestrial all of that that came up later but at the time you don't grasp the full extent of it I know I didn't

the dimension of that one day I would be here talking to you but it seems like the next time you saw him wouldn't you have been like dude what was that all about like so you had that conversation and what was that like sure but not at the moment it happened what with Machavini's no average patient but afterwards when when did you first talk to the other surgeon about what you at both what you about the alien I only spoke with Machavini's we have other neurosurgeons there and I don't

know if they saw it or if they talked to him but it was that sort of thing that you don't go into detail about you don't speculate if it were today my god what did you do what stitched did you use what kind of

thread but that was never the point of discussion he tended to the being it's alive okay next

“it just seems I think it's it's shocking in a sense that it seems like you were treating it like”

a normal patient when it was completely alien is it just you were is that just because you were not specifically you did you process it later you don't have all this awareness that you are having that I'm having now we never imagine we'd be talking about this on television it was like a medical secret that happened period nobody will talk about it anymore because it's dangerous to talk about it so it's like when you say this patient has leukemia or when for the first time

HIV emerged you don't keep saying that patient is HIV positive does that patient have HIV no you write it down so sort of a culture of discretion discretion like you're using a lot of discretion and secrecy is because it's private is that why yes okay there's an ethics committee there's the CRM regional medical council there's the police there's the press anything you say about someone's family member oh he said my relative has cancer I'm not going around saying that

what do you think I don't think anything the TV reporter that was out front did you are

you didn't know the reporter I was sure because it was written there and I always gave interviews

to them about vaccines about meningitis do you know was it a woman or a man a woman do you know what she looked like brunette medium stature brown dress and I didn't curse because it was global TV you operated on you teach do you know who told her no idea I didn't swear not because I'm very polite no but I thought at the time if I swear here and it comes out on global if a doctor gets a bad reputation that he's rude he's crazy and in the countryside that makes a difference

and but was she wait when you left the hospital whether it's any other media there when you

laughed there was there was and I just said to her I thought she was talking about the boy because I was taking a fence on behalf of the boy but I said that's not how you talk about people and I moved on I didn't finish the sentence I said what a fucking lack of respect did you know my car what when you saw this alien being in the room did you make the connection with the TV

“with the TV global reporter in their question you say oh that's what must have been what she was”

asking about no oh yes later right later later I said she was right did the hospital ever take

in administrative action against you because of you're speaking out about this after 20 23 no they just prohibited me from filming inside and that's right because once I filmed I went into the maternity ward with James in the room where it was they recommended me because I shouldn't have done that they were right the hospital is right about that to film something inside the hospital that's why the hospital management had permission because there are other patients right

we could have happened that I saw another patient something like that the hospital management is right it was the only time but they treat me very well when Marcos Venesis would show the video how did he do that did he show it on a TV did he show it did he had to have the camera at home did you put a VCR VHS on the VCR at home on his computer they would come into the room sit

“on the sofa he would sit in front of the computer and maybe a CD or a tape but I think it was a CD”

because he would show it repeatedly sometimes so people would come over and go just like watch his and he showed other cases he showed other cases other cases we'd arrive in his house and he'd put on a show yeah look at this watch look at this gadget I bought to measure god knows what look at this stethoscope right here lots of souvenirs you buy online right look at this brightling brightling and omega's too he gave them away to a lot of people I even my wife says I used to

argue with him a lot because he had a stent put in his heart and smoking and buying watches there was a time why was he able to I mean brightling omega those are expensive watches so expensive how did he have that much money neurosurges at one time made a lot of money because back then you could operate and when the patient stayed in different accommodations

“you could operate in charge for a different accommodation that's how I built my house”

but at another time he had a daughter he started spending money on race horses you know what I bought a horse and my daughter loves them it's a different kind of money and now we're paying for it to stay on a breeding farm with four stents in your chest that's what I'd say with four stents in your chest can I talk to you better not my wife used to say stop arguing with macros vinesius but he smokes he bought a horse

do you know if marcos vinesis ever told his wife or his daughter anything about his experience and they'd be speculated about the salient being himself his private life he did sure

her name is Hossalina however I also adopted a slightly more rational stance when she came to talk to me

she had a bracelet earrings I'd say for the love of God walking around like that you'll get mud you'll get ripped off you'll get slapped oh my my wife said stop saying that to them I used to say macros vinesius is dead he gave you these things

“but he's dead you need to invest that money you have a daughter he didn't leave a very large”

insurance policy you know what I mean so be careful did you speak to anybody else in virginia or in the hospital who was faced to face with the being and compare your experience with their experience and and if so what are those details from what they experience

no I I never talked about any of this at the hospital nowadays when I talk about it at the hospital

many people say that the room was really locked that this really happened here because on that day people can find details of what they saw but it's like when James's team was in Brazil they're getting people to tell the story to incentivize people like me to speak and they put the pieces together because nobody saw everything right each one of us saw part of it I saw a piece of it

“I'm completely opening my heart I'm even talking about how does I mean things I hope she”

forgives me when she hears this I don't want to offend anyone you know but this shows you the level of intimacy involved but they don't say what kind of surgery it was there are two other colleagues that I haven't spoken to about this but does anybody else say I looked the being in the eyes and it felt like an angel it felt non-judgmental peaceful loving anybody else that you still can love no not to my knowledge that was my impression at that moment you know does has this experience

made you more religious in any way more more spiritual bit more realistic you know little more realistic because I'm already pretty old I won't be around for long so mainly to give hope to you younger people that yes it is possible whether you believe it or not there are beings that are different from us and I had a great pleasure getting to know America here I found it very beautiful I love Americans you saved us in the world wars I love Americans

I had a 48 Jeep from the war in memory of the war I really like American soldiers extremely trustworthy and I really like the stories when Americans return from the war and reunite with their families those testimonies those scenes are very beautiful I thank America for being here and God save America if you had unlimited resources and money and you knew that there'd be no negative repercussions

what would you do to get your hands on this video what would be the first action steps for finding it

I'd go back to his place and I'd have to go through everything once again and I would need to hear the story about the robbery because some of his watches were stolen from his house and he had a cabinet in the corner of his room at the back where he kept his watches where he kept his CDs his souvenirs you know that's probably where he put it she lives in the same house she lives there

but about the robbery that happened there I'd need to talk to her I heard that many of his watches were stolen but I didn't go there and everyone back to his house again there must have been during light from 1996 until when you started talking about the

“since 1993 or sorry to that in 2023 you must have people in town must have talked about this”

or you heard you were there when he showed these videos and these conversations were happening what kind of conversations did you hear people talking about in relationship to Varzimia and what was or in relation to the alleged alien and what was your own response to did you feel like I should be you're like worried or what was that experience like hearing other people talk about functioning in I work in the ICU and there are nurses who know the

girls who saw the extraterrestrial they've had it rough because they're criticized they had to

“change schools because of bullying nobody made any money from this they remain in the same”

city giving the same testimony they weren't able to get their passports approved to come here because they don't have stable jobs right they have simple jobs you know but the three of them stick to it the same there's no reason to talk about this if it weren't for that oh I won this I won that they've been promised a lot but they they've been persuaded to change their stories to say they didn't see anything you know I met them the other day we talked about the

same thing the difficult part isn't telling the story the difficult part is being accused of lying hearing that none of it happened accused of making it up just to get on TV we had dinner together it's the same thing it's not it's what we had to endure to get to this point you'll hear other testimonies people don't believe it they have every right to of course it's something that changes everything but you did and how would you describe you in your own reasons for staying quiet for so long

were you just afraid of people making fun of you were you afraid of being fired like what was the core fears or what or I guess what the venue from speaking out until now to this day because we have jobs we don't have any other source of income it's the everyday work it's being on call a lot of all nighters very little sleep car bills cell phone bills school tuition fees for our kids the greatest fear is because people really come down hard on us what do you hope

for the world to understand through your testimony and why are you coming forward now in the

“United States that is a wonderful question what I think they come to tell us is peace”

because we live in this world in a tiny piece of the Milky Way on the periphery of the Milky Way right and we fight all the time we mistreat our neighbors our brothers I'm not trying to make a religious speech I'm not religious at that level but so that we respect each other more as Freud said if we're going to coexist we're going to have to agree on what to do and there are bishops that said I should talk to the pope but talk to him about what is he going to excommunicate me there's no

need to there's more to it and my father's house there are many mansions so that's the risk of being

exposed by a media that's much more powerful than us it crushes us there's been a narrative

that destroys you your career destroys you as a person they destroy your morale your self is esteem it's very easy and very dangerous to talk about this just as there are people who like it there are people who don't to many people it's of no interest to them it ruins their business right it ruins various types of religions that say that we're the center of the universe it ruins everything it's something not worth believing in but for some people it's good

to see that there's so much more so much more we need to evolve a lot regarding we've evolved a lot from a technological point of view but very little from a social point of view very little do you have any information on the aliens condition when it was taken to the hospital exactly what it was it bleeding or was was anything you know occurring with the body specifically no there isn't but the story I know is that if it went to the hospital it was an emergency

be thought of taking it to the zoo that's the story they would take it to the zoo as if it were an animal but then they took it to the hospital if my colleague took it there and stitched it up it's because you must have been bleeding heavily blood is what scares lay people right it scares all of us of course but if it's bleeding then so if it went there and was taken quickly to that

“place it must have been bleeding that's what I think otherwise it didn't need to be there”

it was breathing normally it wasn't an acoma it wasn't intubated because critical patients get

you see all I had was what would eventually happen as I described putting in stitches

“that's why I think they took it to the hospital and then took it away are you familiar with any”

colleagues friends other witnesses who experienced the so-called men and black phenomenon of somebody coming up to them and telling them they can't speak publicly about this or again no no there is one from the to says I do but it was regarding the police officer and there's a report from the officer who saw a dead being I saw a living being I was talking to

Dr. Carl just now he was saying that they have a lot of descriptions a lot of things he separated

them very well physics and biology he's a physicist this is a physical and biological matter he says when a living being is involved it changes our conversation right so I invited him to go

“there right he can stay at my house for as many years as he wants to do research there there's a”

project to research the place there where it was you know or they appeared it's a vacant lot that's still there today in Vajinha the land is fed stuff but there are visitations the story goes that J. J. Benita's went there and collected soil to see if there was any radioactive material there's the testimony of the guy who saw the the spacecraft picked up a piece with his hand very interesting as well that's it how many witnesses do you know personally

I realize you're estimating you don't have to come up with the exact number on the spot but many people when you talk about it everyone has a story to tell I also saw it I also had an opportunity

“a play countless people say it saying that Bobby Fisher's side I was talking about Carl”

Bobby Fisher was tired of saying that the Russians did this to him Bobby Fisher looked it up that he would play and they would come in and there were gurus rush and Paris psychologists influencing that a person made a move but it was a computer generated move and they were in 74 they study a lot they played chess I almost played professionally he says that all the time an impossible move a god move they'd say ah he did that because the people used to meet in that room

the Russians would meet in that room and in doing that he already had a certain computer some kind of calculation even those calculations from that wartime coding and they would play around with it and another thing they had studied my games they had all my statistics they even knew what I was going to do down to the 10th round and he was alone he had aspergers he was a genius one of the greatest geniuses here in America so what's the connection between Bobby Fisher and the witnesses yeah

yeah the contacts oh in chess several people have already seen it I have a very large group they say they've already seen it there's a lot here on my phone I've seen it too I've seen it too I've seen it too people who play the piano I've seen it too I've seen it too I play a little too those online forums a lot I've seen it too I've got it right here people who play chess say they saw the yes the people who play piano you know I've seen it I've seen it coming out of the piano it's funny I just interviewed a guy who is

president of the world chess federation for 20 years and his name is Kyrsan Yumsina and he's a president of a Russian Republic and he was one of the last guys to play chess with Bobby Fisher after Bobby Fisher had already retired he was kind of paranoid and he says and you know this is the

he says he first of all he said he was abducted by aliens were taken by aliens invited onto a spaceship

while he was sitting president of his Russian Republic of Calmedia in 1997 so a year after your experience and he also says that and this is the more speculative part of the

further yeah yeah interview go yeah in order to talk about this I wrote a short story how could I

“examine the ET if I didn't have a CT scan if I didn't have anything so it's a chess game called”

the universal which is a chess game it's not my invention it's Adriana called Diaz the Brazilian champion it's his invention since I had no way of testing the ET we took him to a place and played chess so I didn't need to make the move you already knew the move so here's a wrote it you wrote a short story about the alien already knowing how to play chess intuitively no fascinating the whole story is there you just need to know how to play chess my story is there it's written down right there

hmm very amazing yeah I don't know what to make of it you know um he also told the story of

“one of the greatest chess players you know playing a simulation or something before he was about to play”

a big tournament and the the moves made themselves and he attributed it to some sort of alien intervention but all of this is very speculative Dr. Eatalo I look it up James has it the universal chess game fantastic I love to read it amazing well Dr. Eatalo Venturelli I'm so grateful for you coming to the United States and giving your testimony thank you to Michael Schellenberger exactly co-host on American alchemy who's remarkably proficient in Portuguese and I really hope you gave

a lot of details here that people can be skeptical but you gave details that my hope is our corroborated in the future let's try to find this reporter from you know Brazil from Virginia was a tatebe global and then let's also try to find this video and try to find more corroboration because as far as background and pedigree and you know no incentive to lie all of those things go like you're pretty as good as it gets in my book and thank you yeah I just I'm very I'm very grateful

so thank you so much for for doing this thank you. Hi my name is Joseph Marcus Morita I'm a archeologist from Virginia but I know nowadays I'm I'm doing some ball and I met Dr. Eatalo she said was a child he's a very serious guy very serious man and I believe you know he's in his history about to do for a tea of Virginia because he's a very serious man and I really believe me and you have another friend who's a doctor oh yes and I have another friend he's his name was Fernando Jane on

4th and he died in 2013 and he told me he was best in the original in Virginia and he saw the fit of the of the creature only days because there's a lot of military paracels around around there

“and they they they ask him to go away please go away and don't stay here and he the only thing”

that he told me before he died was that he really saw the the fit of the creature in the original emergence and I believe him because he was a very nice guy a very serious guy too that's that's what I have to say. Roughly three hours after the girls witnessed the strange creature military police officers 80 clothes and medical today they drive down this road on the lookout for something unusual when suddenly it runs right across their path. It's military,

it's going to the car, it's the military, it's more specifically the Marco Licheresa

chapter a quote with this creature to dominate. Apart from second hand rumors of what took place inside

the driver Eric Locke has been in hiding and the officer who handled the life being

“Marco's theories died a couple of weeks later. So who are you what's your name and what's your”

background professionally and your education? My name is Armando Fortunat Filo. I'm a forensic physician which is forensic medicine. I'm a public health physician, I'm an occupational physician and I also have a bachelor's degree in law. I'm married to a Peruvian psychoanalyst and have two daughters who are also doctors. First of all I would like to thank you for your invitation and congratulate you on your audience. I confess that in hundreds of interviews I've given throughout

my life. I've never initially participated in a prayer before beginning an interview as you did

“with all of us present here. So, thank God bless us. Jesus Christ said, "I'm the way, the light,”

the truth, and the life." So, may we be blessed in this interview and may we bring the truth here. Amen. Well said, let me ask you, "On the day, January 1996, you lived in Virginia. Obviously, I want to speak to you about the autopsy of Marco Cherese. But on the day or the week of what had happened, had you heard of anything going on in Virginia when it came to UFOs, alien entities

being treated at the hospital, anything like that." When the body of soldier

mocked his arrived, there was no mention of contact with extraterrestrials.

“The body was sent for autopsy, for investigation into a possible professional error,”

because he was a soldier in the state military police of Minujedais. And because he had an infection, it seems that a drainage procedure, a small surgery, was performed by a doctor within the military police battalion. And because the illness progressed very rapidly, very abruptly, in a few days, the commanding kernel of the military police requested an investigation into the cause of death of that soldier.

To improve the investigation, because he didn't understand how a military police doctor could let a soldier die. We did the autopsy. There was an incision wound. It was probably a drainage procedure for an infection, a boil, an infection in the left armpit area. And this was the only lesion that was found. We collected blood samples, fragments of liver, stomach, and lung tissue, and sent them to the laboratory of the

torrentonobachis thamakujenini, a renowned pathologist in our city, who was also a forensic pathologist in Rio de Janeiro, but in Virginia he worked as a pathologist. He had his own laboratory and is a very well-known scientific figure in Brazil. The Tujaniini issued a report stating that he died from a pulmonary infection that caused septicemia, which is a generalized infection. Regarding the bacteria that were found, I'm leaving the Tujaniini's report here for you.

And what we have recently learned is that this soldier may have participated in the capture of an extraterrestrial being. And Botoninini also personally reports to all of us. Botoninini said recently, last year, that the bacteria found in the material examined in the laboratory is not common in our country and that the bacteria was extremely virulent and which are very progressive deviating from the norm of everyday practice in Brazilian

medicine and that he did not rule out given the circumstances that had come to him that the bacterium could be an alien bacterium. So I'm saying here that I personally haven't had

is leading us to this conclusion. Indeed, because Machuelessha is his sister said that he had

“contact with an E.T. from Vajinha. So we have a new situation today. After 30 years,”

Botoninini is suggesting and requesting authorization from the court. It's not easily done.

The first difficulty is getting the court to approve the examination of the soldier's remains.

And whether the family would agree to it, to investigate if possible DNA testing to better study the bacteria that caused this infection in such a young soldier who had vigor and was healthy. Dr. Armando, sorry to interrupt. I want to just ask you point blank. What do you think caused this infection? Do you personally believe that Machuelessha Racy apprehended this alien being and he received an infection from it that is more exotic than any sort of infection that

a person would get through something more ordinary? The infection he had is extremely rare. Not impossible, but it's virulence and severity caught the Toshanini's attention. A scratch or some sort of contact with an extraterrestrial

shouldn't be ruled out. I would say that the first possibility, the first diagnostic hypothesis

is still a secondary effect of surgery, an infection in the axillary skin region, hydrodenitis. But also, as a second hypothesis, given the circumstances I've heard from the testimonial of Dr. Ithalo, the recent anatomopathological evaluation by Dr. Antoni Makukujanini and the history of Machuelessha Racy's sister, one should consider the possibility of post-contact contamination with an extraterrestrial during a military police operation. Him being a soldier in the Minneshetized

State Military Police. Is there any other plausible story had he received surgery before this happened at all? No, he was a vigorous and healthy soldier who a few days prior had a skin lesion drained at the military police medical clinic. And it's possible that the infection

spread. That's the first hypothesis. But the second is that he contracted the infection

from a scratch, from contact with an extraterrestrial being. I say this after so many years, based on the testimony. I'll say it again. Based on Dr. Janini's new testimony from a laboratory standpoint, anatomopathological standpoint, from the testimony of Makukujanini's sister and also from the account of Dr. Ithalo venturelli, who claims to have seen E.T. at the Regional Hospital in Southern Minneshetized. How many weeks between Marco Sharese transporting

“this alien being and him passing away and you're doing the autopsy? How many weeks?”

I don't have the exact dates for the supposed operation and infection. I know he had an outpatient surgical procedure, not in a hospital. Makukujanini sheddenzi at the military police battalion, on an outpatient basis. But that this infection lasted around 12 or 14 days. He went through three or four doctors complaining about lumbar sciatica, a kind of back pain. And then taking antibiotics and any inflammatory drugs, but the infection spread and developed into septicemia,

causing death, from generalized infection pneumonia and septicemia.

“Had he told anybody else at the hospital, I think what's happened to me is actually from”

this E.T. that I had to deal with? Did he tell anybody else this? No. From what I've seen, only his sister suspects he had contact with her, but no doctor. I only received a body without a history to investigate, whether there was

What about Cesario cardiologist? Dr Cesario was on duty at the medical service that operated like an emergency room. And the soldier had been there a few days. Not sure if it was two or three times. Complaining of back pain, which was actually an infection that was progressing. That was Cesario treated him like that. I don't know if it was once twice or three times. And also confirms, albeit indirectly, that the infection was indeed surprising and progressed

“in a very abrupt, very rapid manner. He said, I believe Cesario said that essentially”

Marco Schreis, he had been telling him over and over again, that this was actually possibly from this E.T. being that he had apprehended. But I think this is from Cesario. Because he goes, yeah, he said that this stuff had happened because he was concerned about saving his own life according to a sister. So he said it and then he goes, according to his sister, I was like, hmm, okay. Yeah. If I was died, I'd be like,

here's what happened. I don't know. Yeah. Very, very interesting. And what which hospital is this that

you were at where you did the autopsy? The coroner's office, which in Brazil is called EMEALE,

“the forensic medical institutes, is linked to the civil police of the states and provinces.”

And it's the criminal investigation police that investigates crimes preparing police reports. Which are handled by the chiefs of police. So in this exceptional case, a commander of the military police barracks opened a military police investigation because the lieutenant doctor who performed the surgery, the drainage was part of the medical staff. As a private civilian who I'm sure has many friends in Virginia,

did you hear other stories just organically come up around people seeing crafts or bodies or

anything like that? Yes, if you walk throughout the city, there are always reports of people who

have seen spaceships. People who have seen lights in the sky moving quickly, just like spaceships, but sometimes they're confused with comments, other times they're drones. But in Brazil, it's a country that receives many visits from these objects. It's a privileged country in that sense, but there are always reports. And the more you talk about it, the more people hear about it and start saying,

as the lieutenant was said very well, now people are starting to talk about it. More frequently, you know, if you had to put a number on the amount of friends or even just

“people you've encountered who've witnessed either the UFO or the body, what number would you put?”

And I realized that I'm putting you on the spot here and that it doesn't have to be an exact perfect number. Very few friends, because for example, chaos, who said he saw the craft with a very strong and trustworthy testimony, he doesn't live in Vajín. Unlike Totoedíthalu, who are where familiar with his doctors, person with credibility, with a history of many years of service, to neurology, to brain surgery in Vajín and nearby towns,

people with a reputation. So their testimonies are very powerful and which makes me give

credibility to the possibility brought up by the Toshanini, that this bacteria that was found with the soldier Makhili Shediz, whether it's alien. This backs the testimony of the girls were now ladies in Vajín, were also reputable people, and it makes one believe in the testimonial of cows himself who saw the craft. Today, just this morning, talking to, and this is forever is listening at home with the scientist, Mr. Hall, right? Hall put off, who has various studies

in the field of physics. I mean, he's a born scientist, provides services to various entities. I made the suggestion. Lotoshanini wants to investigate this bacterium, if possible,

whether it may have been combined with a bacterium from another planet in the universe,

outside planet Earth. But the location where the spacecraft is believed to have crashed also needs to be studied, because metallic residues, things that are not common in our universe, should

“be studied more thoroughly, and that's why I asked Lotoshanini today was in talks with other”

scientist friends about the possibility of undertaking the study or not. Because the listener here wants the truth, he expects the truth from us, we have no vested interest. Our only interest here is to tell the truth. We are very small in this universe. There's so much to be

discovered out there, and from what we feel, from what Lotoshanini will perceive, extra terrestrials,

art piece, they live in peace, they're curious, but they live in peace, and can contribute a lot to us. So, since man has reached the moon, why not advance a little further? And of course, it's no longer just the Vajniti. He is a Brazilians-eat, an American-eat, a Chinese-eat, a Russian-eat, he belongs to all of us to the planet, and why not investigate this better for

“uphology to advance further, right? Even recently, didn't you speak to friends who had seen the craft?”

There are people who have seen things like that. When James Fox returns to Vajnion, I'll introduce him to another three or four people who report, having seen spaceships, lights. Now, you see the difference, right? Some say the spaceship had lights. Our professor here who gave the testimony, Kahlus, said it was tubular and didn't have lights, right? So, there are things that sometimes involve two spaceships, you know? So, the witnesses are

that common, though. Like James, how many witnesses do you think you've spoken to total? Well, when I went downtown to the town square, I found a number of people that either saw, I mean, within an hour, I probably had 12 different people saying different things. One of them

saw excessive, a couple of them saw excessive military activity they'd never seen before,

military trucks everywhere. If you were to add up everybody to put an approximate number on it.

“Oh, God. And a witness is anybody who's seen a ship or an alien body?”

Ship or alien body? Ship, maybe 12 to 15. I mean, another one recently, you said it's out of over the hospital, maybe 15. And then the alien body, I think it's up to five. Wow. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. Yeah, one of those clues to chief of police. I don't know any other case where you have that many witnesses. And the three girls eat to low, well, the nurse that would have been six, so it could be six that saw the, yeah, can you speak a little bit to eat to

those credentials and kind of bona fides background? Because I think having a neurosurgeon come forward and say he was face to face with an alien being for three to four minutes is just going to be a so earth shattering for so many people. But be, I think very hard for them to compute. And I think they're going to, well, often try to throw the kitchen sink of skepticism against this case. What's your experience of it, uh, eat to low? And what do you know about him and his reputation and his skills

as a neurosurgeon? The authority at the Lou is a very experienced doctor has a lot of credibility, very honorable to give this recent account of having personally seen and witnessed an extra terrestrial. And one of the reasons I'm here is because he's the one who gave the testimony. So I trust in him. Now, of course, it's not common. Maybe if it were me on that day and I had seen the ET, I would have told my wife, my colleagues would have called the hospital and said,

look at this, how interesting, each with their own reasons, each with their own particularities and singularities. And I respect that. I don't depend on a private practice to make a living. He's an erologist with a private practice. And this could really be a reason for losing clients in a private practice with people thinking he was crazy that he was seeing things. It could harm him professionally and he justified his reasons. So that's plausible, it's understandable, but it's

different situation today inside the hospital. But we have to respect it. And Marco Cherice's family

to this day maintains that his injury was probably due to an alien being and that he was saying towards the end of his life constantly, that he was worried that he was sick because he had apprehended this being and held him. And apparently the alien was full of kind of this greasy, oily substance. And that might have gotten, gotten onto him and he was, he was asking questions about what might occur if you come into contact with that because he was not feeling well.

So his sister's testimony regarding the virulence of the bacteria, this leads us to believe that he may have participated in an operation to capture the CT. But that's not what I received through the Colonel who requested the autopsy. He's a forensic doctor. But years later,

“that's what has been reaching us. And there are testimonies saying that from Marco Cherice's sister.”

And also, because of the evidence regarding the characteristics of the bacteria that was found in the soldier and a new reassessment by the Torjwombachistamakukujanini. What did the Colonel say when he tasked you to do the autopsy? What did he share with you about the details? He didn't speak to me. The request was for a written coroner autopsy of the soldier. And it's not common for someone who normally requests an autopsy to be a police chief.

It arrived and they can also request it just as the public prosecutor's office can request it for an autopsy. We performed at the autopsy, we waited the lab tests, and about 20 days later we released the report. After the material from Del Torjwiny in your rife, but I didn't speak with the commander of the military police. The autopsy was done to investigate an error, a supposed professional error, which was later not proven. Professional error, it was a progression of the medical

complication. The doctor who performed this minor procedure. An excellent professional has a very good reputation in the city. There were no complications. The progression of the disease was

“extremely unfavorable. Tell me about Dr. Janini and his background. I think a lot of people”

found it very powerful in James's movie when you have a guy who's kind of known as the godfather

of medical science in the local region. And he's coming out and he's speculating. He literally says he thinks that a puncture wound from the nail of the ET is what caused Marcus Sharace's death. He sent it and I've already left it with you, signed. He couldn't be here today because of health issues. He's almost 90 years old, but he's keeping up to speed with us and made it a point to send a sign to authenticate a document so it could be read and I already left it to your care.

But who is Dol Torjwiny? He arrived in Varjinha about 50 years ago, probably 45 or 50 years ago. He came from Hijanero and Brazil. He was a university professor, a pathologist

“and a forensic doctor in the state of Hijanero. He arrived in Varjinha and set up a diagnostic”

and laboratory service, a proper duty institute, which serves practically 90% of its patients through the suicide unified health system. He serves the public health service. He's a reference for a doctor's working in the public health system. Today he and his son, along with their entire staff, serve more than 100 cities in the region. So he is a reference in quality. I'm not going to advertise but it's true. He's a man unconcerned with monetary values. He values quality in his work

as a scientist. Seeking excellence in care and quality and for us doctors, he always has been

and still is a reference because he's a true scientist and in this case, every time it was me, Dutoshio Zada Frata, Dutoro Lícis Fernando, the forensic doctors there. When we had a more delicate case, when we had doubts, we would call him and he'd be very willing because Varjinha's a small town, everything is nearby. I'll be there in 10 minutes while assist with the autopsy and he would assist, which sometimes meant performing the procedure, collecting materials,

said he'd take them to his laboratory and giving the results in a week. And sometimes during the autopsy itself, during the examination, as a great pathologist, he would already give diagnoses.

he's a huge reference. So he has our respect and we are very grateful to him. The doctors

“of Varjinha have great respect and gratitude for Dutoshio Zada Frata. Was there anything else about”

the body, outside of the bizarre bacteria and Marcus Cherice's stated story that he kept repeating with his family, that makes you think maybe there was some alien involvement, was there a smell to it, was there anything else about it? I hadn't meant the soldier

when he was alive. The first time I saw him, it was a body ready to be autopsyed. I never met him.

I did meet some relatives, but not him. I had never seen him. But the sister's testimony, which is questionable, it said that maybe he spoke to the doctors who tended to him at the hospital, but I don't have the testimony of those doctors that tended to him. But I heard his sister saying, which was recorded recently, but he was indeed involved in the

“capture of the E.T. So it's a puzzle. There are several moments we have there. People close to”

Varjinha, who saw a ship, the size of a bus, heading towards the city in those days. For instance, take the testimony of the girls who saw the E.T. during the day, today they're ladies. It's been 30 years. There were girls then, today they are ladies. You see the testimony of

Professor Calus, a geography teacher, who gives a powerful account of having actually

seen the spacecraft and its wreckage, and that he even touched it, but the police took it from him and ordered it handed over to the army. You also see the testimony of the Otoidiyatalu. So this makes us believe in fact, in the existence of extraterrestrials on Earth, not the Varjinha-E.T. But this is a subject that interests the United States, Japan, Brazil, China, Russia. It's a matter of greater interest to humanity. We have to search more in advance further.

Have you done any thinking about theoretically why this bacteria would look like

bacteria occasionally found from wounds or occasionally found in animals and pets,

but is very rare in humans and very rare to kill a human and to be so virulent? Do you ever think about if these beings are coming from thousands of light years away, why they would contain any sort of bacteria that might match ours? Have you gone that far in your thinking? That's an interesting question. This bacteria exists on Earth. It's extremely rare, but it exists to our knowledge, this type of stephalococcus. But also, the soldier, I mean the alien

or extraterrestrial, came into contact with animals at the zoo in Varjinha. Some dead animals were found at the zoo. I wasn't aware of this at the time that some dead animals were found at the zoo. Which begs the question. Could it be that the extraterrestrial could have been contaminated, coming in contact with the animals, and then being captured by the soldier? And therefore, the soldier being contaminated by the extraterrestrial with the bacteria that was in some zoo animal,

“or is the bacteria in fact alien? You know, that's why we're asking. And I brought this up with”

Dr. Howell this morning that the CIA NASA should support us with all the knowledge they already possess, with all their wisdom, technology, and diagnostic capabilities. Brazilian medicine is very advanced, but American medicine also has its particularities. Perhaps the two of them together could conduct a more thorough scientific study of the bacteria if the exclamation is authorized. And also of the material that must have residues where the spacecraft fell. I posed this

challenge to Dr. Howell asking you the American people to help us. Who told you about the ET's interaction with animals at the zoo? This is already public knowledge. This has already been reported. James Fox should know about it. I don't know which animal died. Maybe James Fox maybe knows. There were animals that died at the zoo during that week. So James, I'm curious. Do you know what the nature of that interaction was? Don't think I included that part in the film.

Because there's so many different aspects that were sightings later. There were like, now I'm coming to the conclusion. I think there were like a lot more beings that were

I guess what you call a zoologist or the guy that, yeah, or is it a zookeeper maybe?

“Yeah, he was a little more than that. So, okay, zoologist would be like the scientist.”

Yeah, and he talked about that their cause of death was completely unknown. Never seen anything

like it. He said it all on camera, Mark O'Leo, could tell you what. But do we know anything about like the specific animals that the ET interacted with? Was it a cattle medallation situation where they like playing in a playpan or something? Or they were exposed to some sort of bacteria that killed them and that he'd never really seen it. But again, I'd have to, I haven't interviewed with a guy. I just have to reflect back on it. So those animals ended up dead. Yes. Were they typical cattle

medallations with the blood missing? No. No. No. No. No. We're like, just got exposed as a effect. Got exposed to some kind of bacteria. So that would point towards the bacteria maybe not being animal. But it's just what fascinates me so much about the bacteria is that it's something that's

rare but exists on her. Well, here's what Dr. Janini told me. He told me this on camera.

He'd never seen anything like it before or after. Is that your experience as well? Never seen anything like this bacteria before or after Dr. Amanda. My medical practice is more focused on companies, occupational medicine, and more on private practice. My colleagues who work in the intensive care unit, infectious disease specialists, don't see this type of infection. This kind of bacteria on a daily basis. It exists but it's

extremely rare. And normally this infection is treated with antibiotics. And in this case, despite being a young, strong, vigorous soldier, the bacteria led to his death in just a few days, less than

“10 days. So that's why the bacteria is different. It's not common and it's very virulent and highly lethal.”

Sounds like the anomalous component of the bacteria is just how virulent and lethal it was.

I think it was like the terminal use was never seen an advanced bacteria of this strain

behaved the way it did ever before or since. And even Cesario who was working on him, it's like I threw the kitchen sink that should have all the antibiotics I gave him should have saved his life but it didn't do anything like it just because I've never seen anything like it before, it's either. So it was an adaptation or an evolution of a particular bacteria on earth, but that they haven't seen under that type of evolution. It's the best way he described it to me as a

meal fight. So now I'm offering criticism of the commander. I don't know if he's alive or not nor do I know his name. Constructive criticism, of course, of the commander of the military police barracks because a medical complication which of course must be investigated but not with such a furthest desire to perform a witch hunt as was done with a fellow doctor, a medical attendant who worked at the barracks who spent years having to explain this to the justice system and that it was

confirmed that there was no professional error or unfavorable outcome. An extremely a typical case, a progressive illness with pulmonary complications, very rapid, which thoroughly stressed his doctor and his family. Of course he was acquitted later but the commander went a bit overboard in his investigations with his soldier because the bacteria was not common. So there was no professional error. There was a complication, an unfavorable evolution in a clinical

case, and a strong soldier. But it should be investigated. Tutoshanini is correct in requesting authorization from the justice system for new studies of this bacteria. If it exists but the problem is that it may still be present in the remains, there may still be surprises. It's remarkable to hear people consistently of your stature credentials, academic background, and well-spokenness just consistently talk about friends who've seen beings and crafts

“or talk about anomalous bacteria. I think this is a really remarkable case and I've said this with”

the other two guests today who I'm honored to have spoken with. But it's just, I think, the modern roswell. It's the modern case that really is just, there's so many witnesses. It's an overwhelming amount of evidence and beyond any sort of a threshold of a doubt that something occurred here.

you coming out, Dr. Armando. And I guess my final question would be, has this at all affected your faith that all you started off with the prayer you invoked, Jesus Christ? Does this affect

“your worldview in any way or does it has this affected you kind of emotionally?”

No, it didn't change me. I'm a Christian man, a doctor with great dedication to the public health system. I was the municipal health secretary during the pandemic in our city. I have experience in public health, occupational medicine, and forensic medicine. So you see my life, my father was a pharmacist, my mother was a primary school teacher, and I had great difficulty to study at a federal

university, a public university. So I've always used medicine as a way to serve. I believe that

this Vajinha case deserves further study, but the work that our friend James Fox has been doing, this investigative work he has been doing is remarkable, and deserves our applause, and Vajinha is very grateful to him. Now I extend the invitation I made today to Dr. Hal, who is this physicist, extremely dedicated to science, and to you as well, Jesse, to go to Vajinha. If the E.T. went to Vajinha, why can't you go as well? Get to know our reality. It's a pleasant city, a city with a wonderful

climate, welcoming people, and continue these investigations with James Fox's team. You have a lot to contribute. And you asked extremely intelligent questions here today. You're even acting like a police detective investigating us. Congratulations. Thank you very much for your work. Well, when you put it like that, I can't say no. If an E.T. being traveled from thousands of light years away, I can certainly travel probably under a thousand miles. But I'm very grateful

for you. I really appreciate you coming here and all your kind words and you're clearly very sincere

“and earnest. And was there was there anything else strange about the bacteria that's worthy of noting?”

No, what I want to bring attention to is that Dr. Janini brought up the possibility a year ago of performing the examination of the remains of the soldier to see if it's possible to trace the bacteria to investigate it more thoroughly. And with regards to its virulence, its DNA that is if it is possible. But to study the remains, rather the DNA of the remains of the soldier. But wasn't there something about it?

I was standing here because I heard it yesterday. Yeah, the doctor Edo was talking about it as well that there was some sort of genetic, it looked like there was some sort of genetic engineering done to the bacteria. I, you know, it was there some sort of genetic engineering was the professor of the subject. Maybe he can even talk to us via video about it in person. He also gave a statement that's really good. It's better to talk to Dr. Janini. I'll pass it on. We'll talk to him.

He gave a really good statement. Because James, you think the bacteria might have been manipulated or edited and so I'm just saying it was told me on that a scientist. But he said he's on thousands

and thousands of these things. He's never seen any bacteria behave in the way that it behaved.

“And I believe he said it was a strain that's found on Earth rarely, but that it behaved in a way”

that he'd never seen bacteria. It was an evolution of a bacteria that he'd never seen on Earth. Amazing. Okay. Well, to be continued, high virulence, high pathogenicity, with very rapid leafality. And this is coming from the minister of health who was appointed to basically protect Virginia during the pandemic. So obviously you have, I think, the background to say such things. The pandemic. Yes. Three, four years ago. Dr. Armando, thank you. Really appreciate

you. James in typical James Fox form has sacrificed himself. We were going to do a one-on-one interview, but we're kind of pressed for time and you can get me any time. Okay. Well, I just want to, I just want to close out and say that your selflessness just generally in this field is extremely

rare. I think it's the reason that I always went when people ask, you know, are we ever going

because you are doggedly persistent, you've been back to Brazil over the past 15 years and

“multiple times. Oh, I was there three times last year and I'll be there again in a week.”

It's incredible. And you, again, because we sat down a few weeks ago, you saying, you know, just

interview them is very typical of your orientation towards all of this stuff, which is always

given away, given to the community. It's for the world. And so, I truly, I can't thank you enough because you, you teed all of this off. And this is going to be a beautiful piece. And hopefully,

“new information for the Western world on this, you know, there's not much more than I think,”

you know, I can do beyond your amazing documentary, but I think seeing them in kind of a long

foreign podcast format with another, you know, semi-tested voice, I think, I think, you know, we'll be, we'll be helpful in what you're doing in DC as well with all of them. I think we'll,

“we'll hopefully just add fuel to the fire and momentum to this whole, this whole cause. So,”

so grateful to you and Aleney, who's here as well. And, yeah, I don't even know it's going to watch Moment of Contact. And go watch, go watch both moments of contact, go watch, this latest one is

incredible. The footage you got is just remarkable, especially with, uh, a talent, a rally, but

also with Dr. Janini, who you, you know, work closely with. Uh, you have all of these guys who, like, you cannot, their credentials and stature and backgrounds are unimpeachable. And, uh, you have them in tears, broken down about this experience. And, you, like you said, it's, you're talking about, you know, 15 to 20 total witnesses if you're talking about it, you know, ships and bodies. So, I'm so, so grateful for you. Oh, hey, I, I appreciate, I appreciate your contribution,

your continued contribution, and your continued investigations and support. We're in this together. Okay, Marco. Jesse, I love you. Everybody's very happy, Jesse. [BLANK_AUDIO]