Meet the Nuclear Missile Guard Abducted by Aliens

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Well, I was assigned to a minute-man missile, and I was on the night shift.

And my job at just basically sit there and do nothing really.

And it was foggy. Next thing I know, I see this shadow in the fog, and looking ahead and I see the shadow. And I see a man, which would appear to be a man, emerged from the fog. But as a guy closer, I realized this was not what it was. And I could feel it in my mind.

I mean, it was like it was started driving hold on me. For decades, there's been a strange and deeply unsettling pattern, lurking beneath nuclear weapons and missile facilities worldwide. A pattern that almost no one wanted to talk about in an era of Cold War secrecy.

“Air Force officers whispered about it, and most of the people who lived it stayed silent until now.”

It's all coming out.

Today's guest is Richard Barth.

In 1964, he was an Air Force Security Guard, an air policeman, stationed at Vandenberg Air Force Base. Vandenberg wasn't some remote radar outpost or ghost station. This was the epicenter of American nuclear missile testing. Atlas missiles. Thor.

Minute man. Titan. This was the place the United States government went to actually learn whether it's nuclear missiles worked. So naturally, something else was watching from above, and it happened to interact with our next guest. A figure, emerging from the mist.

A moment of absolute terror in seeing this figure's very foreign face. Lost of control. And then, lost time. All of a sudden, Richard is taken. He wakes up hovering on a flying saucer with a few more beings overlooking the entire Vandenberg base.

Richard is given a message. One that directly connects with other alien encounters by nuclear base employees. And perhaps most remarkably. This story happens on the exact same month of another Vandenberg UFO incident that you may already know. You see, Richard had his encounter in September of 1964.

That same month Bob Jacobs, a photo instrumentation lead, caught video of a UFO that seemed to encircle an Atlas missile. Target it with lasers. We've spoken to Jacobs, and this is a case we discuss all of the time on this show. We could see clearly on film. The nose comes separate.

And then we saw the dummy warhead. And suddenly into that frame, an object fluent chasing the warhead and so on. But the same speed.

“Didn't they delete your records from the government as well?”

People denied that you worked at Vandenberg. The denied there was ever a Robert Jacobs in the Air Force. And between Bob Jacobs and Richard Bart, it looks like while we were testing nuclear missiles in September of 1964 on Vandenberg Air Force Base. Something else was testing missile defense and deterrence. This interview raises some very uncomfortable questions about access, surveillance, and intent on our most advanced weapons capabilities.

And it leaves us with possibilities that are far more strange and destabilizing than are we alone. This episode isn't about believing. It's about listening carefully because whatever is going on at our nuclear bases doesn't seem random. And it doesn't seem finished with us. Between 2003 and 2005, five UAP incidents occurred in Vandenberg Air Force Base. So without further ado, please enjoy this courageous testimony from this week's American Alchemist, Richard Bart.

I'm here with Richard Barth, and this is an honor. I really appreciate you driving to LA to speak with me. Robert Hastings is one of my favorite journalists in the UFO space.

He's written an amazing book called the UFOs in Nukes, and he is the premier chronicleer of all of these amazing veterans who were stationed at nuclear bases across the United States.

Often with pretty high clearances, experiencing tick-tax, saucers, orbs, UFOs all over these bases.

And in a few cases, like yours, you actually experience a close encounter of the third kind, where you see beings in you experience communication with those beings.

“And so it's an honor to speak with you, and I really appreciate you sharing your story.”

What made you decide to come out now? I was listening to Coastal Coast one night, and it happened to be dropped here at Hastings, although at the time I didn't know but something just compelled me to call in. He was talking about UFOs and I had this experience that I had pretty much kept to myself for quite a while. And it just seemed that, you know, the guy seemed so credible that maybe he might be interested in my particular story. So I called up, and I was very fortunate I got right on, explained to the colleague, first, the monitor was a call, and he put me right in.

And we got through about half my story, and then we got cut off somehow.

Last question he asked me was, "Where have any lost time?" And lost time. You know, he wanted to know if I had any lost time doing the event, and I was going to answer him and everything just went blank. There's no response, and I didn't know how to get back on. So I kind of dropped it, but it brought it to the forefront of, you know, this just a credibility about answering that really triggered it.

I called in to coast to coast, and you got through a lot of your story, then the call dropped, but that brought that to the fore, and to the mind of Robert Hastings. He wanted to follow up on it. Actually before that, I had read Whitney Streepers book, and it seemed credible to me, but it also made my experience seem more credible to myself.

“You kind of understand that when something like this happens to you, you question yourself, was this real?”

Or was this something that, you know, I imagined, or it's so much part of you that you accept it as real, but you still question it. How did you end up at Bandonburg Air Force Base in 1964? Okay, I wasn't doing well in college at the time, and so I decided I was going to join the Air Force, and I went to the recruiter. And I had actually had been a pre-med major, and so I asked about going into medical core. And he said, "Well, you got two years of college," he said, "Would you consider being an applicator?"

And I said, "I love flying, but I need four years of college to get commissioned or do anything like that." So he had asked me, "Would I be interested that they had a navigation course that had opened up that the requirements were that you can get in with two years of college?" And I said, "Yeah, I love flying, I'd love to fly if I could fly."

“So I said, "Why don't you go down and take the test and see how you do?"”

So he sent me down to LA, and I passed that, so I said, "Well, you're in, all we got to do is find you a class." So I waited about three or four months for our class to open up for me to get into. And I was doing quite well until I got to celestial navigation. And I didn't know it at the time, but I had dyslexia. And what was making things bad for me was not on the academics, which I was high on.

But I would transpose my numbers, especially when I got under pressure, and I had one, two, three. One, twenty, three would become a one, thirty, two, which is a significant navigation error.

Well, you do three practice missions in a test mission, and I failed the first test mission.

And I will send you again, and I'll allow you to do another test mission, and I failed that one. And so I was basically washed out of the class. When I had joined one of the conditions of joining was that you can, when in, under a collective service requirement, which was basically two years with some reserve time to follow. And if you didn't pass the class, you would go on that reserve status error.

And just finish out two years, and go on reserve status. Otherwise, if you passed, you would be commissioned, you would sign up for an additional four years, and you would actively be in the Air Force as an navigator. Well, I just opted, I was going to get out. So that left, well, I've got 13 months left of my selected service requirement.

And so they didn't want to put me on position that required a lot of training,

And I can take something that was relatively close to home. I lived in Los Angeles, Van and Berg Air Force. These was up the coast above Santa Barbara, about a four hour drive, and that seemed to, well, I might off time and go home, and be with my friends and family. So that seemed okay with me, I thought I can, I can deal with it.

“Say you were a missile security guard, or what's the exact title?”

And yeah, I'm listed as an air policeman, but I was assigned at that 43-90 second combat defense squadron.

And we were essentially guards. We didn't wear the blue uniforms. We were fatigues with the end carry to 38 pistol. And we just basically stood on post all day. And that was, there wasn't much training involved other than weapons training.

What are the types of things that you guarded on the base? We had the missile maintenance, where they assembled the missiles themselves. That was a large hang, or the missiles would be on their sides. They would be, the stages would be made with each other. They would electronics, the items would be, and then they would take them out to the actual silo or large sights,

where they, you know, fueled them, and fired them.

“There were, you would guard like a crypto room where cryptographic information was came in,”

particularly at night when nobody was there. They were locked from, but they wanted a guard on there. And frankly, we guarded things that didn't need guarding. A lot of these missiles, a band member, a lot of these missiles were set up by the manufacturer. Like Boeing would do the minute man Douglas would do the Thor.

And Lockheed would do the Eugenia stage. Converber would do the Atlas missiles. And those were the four missiles we had. Most of the three missiles Authority, the men at Thor, the Atlas and the were obsolete, basically, but they were great for launching satellites.

And you can get the Thor was a lightweight missile and immediate range, actually not ICBM. And it was a good first setting, spice satellites, because they can get them into the low altitude that they wanted. And 100 to 150 miles.

“That's where you took your pictures from.”

If you had something heavier, you could put it on an Atlas. The Thor was very similar to the Redstone that they launched out of jeopardy on. It was, you know, just to loop him up into space and come down. But then they moved for the remainder of the flight same move to the Atlas missile.

Which was a two stage missile, which was much more powerful and can get the orbit, much higher.

And then later they did the Titan missile, which was an ICBM. Liquid fueled. And that, a good thing about the Titan is that the Atlas missile required pumping in oxygen and hydrogen just prior to a lot, which took time. So that you had to do it in media launch. You could, you'd have to have 15, 20 minutes just feeling the missile before you launched. The Titan fuels didn't, were not refrigerated fuels.

And they, that missile could sit in the silo, fueled and ready to go. And could be launched immediately. So the Titan was in advance. Over the Atlas, plus it was much more powerful. So in could carry much larger warheads. We call them re-entry vehicles.

But they were basically warheads, the atomic warhead. One thing about Vandenberg Airfare space is that it was not a primary nuclear base. And the reason was it was too easy to take out. It was right on the ocean. You could drop a bomb atomic bomb right in the ocean right next to it.

You just had to put tidal away first in Army. Wipe out the base and the base becomes useless. So it was too easy to tar it for nuclear. But we were right on the ocean and we had the Pacific Test Range. And it was a great place to fire missiles down over the ocean, downrange.

Because it didn't work. See, like the minute net. The minute, then, we're all stationed in the far inland in Montana. Moffat Air Force Base or Malstomer Force Base. And spread out quite a part because they were difficult targets that way.

They were spread out and they were well inland. Probably as you could launch a missile from there.

Because there was always the possibility that missile would land on.

But so we could launch over from Vanderburg Air Force Base.

And then we could bring the crew out for the launch. And they can actually launch a missile. But there's other things that could be tested. Like the amount of, you know, those, these were solid fuel. Minuteman was solid fuel.

And that fuel would sit there for a couple of years.

“Well, what was the integrity of the fuel after a couple of years?”

Would you could test that? Because they all, all missiles launched on, our launch on, our inertial guidance. In other words, once you've sent them off, they're on their own. The, the course is set.

And the main reason for that is, like you can send on missile to the moon. And you could make, uh, mid course changes. But you don't want to do that because the enemy can make mid course changes. And yet you're missile off target. So once you met the missile was programmed to do a certain trajectory.

And once it was fired, it was on its own. So if the fuel was not, and the integrity of the fuel was degraded, it might not get to the target or it's close to the target as you wanted to. So that was one of the things you wanted to test. And also give the crew a test fire of the missile.

Do you, I mean, clearly you are right now displaying extensive knowledge of all of these missile systems in a way that to me, unless you, you know, went back and read a bunch of textbooks before this interview. I think it shows that you're at Vandenberg Air Force Base, but for the hard course skeptics in the audience, you can provide your DD2, your DD2, 14 service records.

“I will give them to me if the possible you have to do.”

I gave it to Robert Hastings or Robert Hastings. And that was one of the things, you know, he's very, very thorough. When you read his book, each case is well documented is thorough when he vets each person that he interviews. He's extremely thorough. He's extremely, and so he's extremely.

And he called three separate friends of yours, right, to corroborate that you told them the same details that you told him. His interest was that this is not something I had made up recently, but you know, with the new, all this stuff coming out and just wanted to get on the bandwagon. And you've made no money off of this story. No, I've had no intention.

In fact, when I wrote originally, when I did an email to Robert's solace, go to the first one I tried to contact.

The reason being, it's that my experience was two years prior to Robert's solace is when I heard him interviewed, I thought he might be interested. Well, the really interesting thing. It's Robert's solace. That's interesting. Did he get back to you or not right away?

He did, and then he didn't follow up. But when I wrote it, I said, I'm not interested in money.

“I'm not interested in writing a book, but I think there's a relationship between my experience and your experience.”

In other words, I want to get into that relationship after we get into the core details of your experience. But I think even more relevant than Bob Salas who had an extremely interesting experience with ten missiles shutting down at Malmstron Air Force Base. He's at Oscar Flight Launch Center underneath Underground, and this red glowing object is hovering above ground. And that seems to correlate with these ten missiles going offline strategic air command, road up a whole right up, saying we're, you know, baffled and confused as to this happening around it.

I think the Echo Flight Incident, which was eight days before. And then a targeting officer, Bob Jamison, who's a colleague of Salas, is went into check as to, you know, why did these ten missiles go down? Is it possible they just malfunctioned?

That doesn't happen here. A very rarely does a missile malfunction, and I don't think any much more rare would be two at the same time, but not never ten.

And so you had all this interesting kind of activity going on at Malmstron Air Force Base, but that was 1967. Yeah. What I find interesting about your experience is that was was a September, September 64. In 1964, Vandenberg Air Force Base, did you know that Bob Jacobs, who was a photo instrumentation specialist, also stationed there at the same time as you, has an envelope? Yeah, you didn't, so that's amazing, because this guy was basically they were testing an Atlas missile with a dummy warhead, and he was basically stationed at Big Sur, and he was supposed to kind of, you know, telescope the object.

Go up the object and photograph, create a video. They wanted him to film the missile from the side rather than straight on, because you go to Vandenberg, you're just watching it go straight on. He can watch the projectile from the side.

So at 0600, we were up and ready to go, and an Atlas missile popped up through the ground floor that was covering the whole coastline all the way down there. It was beautiful.

“We took the film back to Vandenberg, where it was processed, and a day later I got a call from Major Management.”

We said, "Come up to my office." So I went to his office, and he said, "There was a movie screen set up, and a 16-millimeter projector." And there was Major Management, and as I recall, two guys in gray suits. On the screen was the film we had shot. We could see clearly on film, the nose going separate, and then we saw the dummy warhead, and suddenly into that frame,

an object fluent chasing the warhead and so on, at the same speed.

That's going between 68,000 miles an hour at that point, and it fired a beam of light at the dummy warhead. The object flew up like this, shot another beam of light at the dummy warhead. Went around like this, shot another beam of light at it, went down like this, shot a beam of light like this, and then flew out the same way to come in. At which time the dummy warhead did this and fell out of the frame. The lights came on, and Major Management said, "To me, were you guys screwing around up there?"

And I said, "No sir." And he said, "What was that?" And I said, "It looks like we got a UFO."

And he said, "Lutana Jacobs, you are never to speak of this again, it never happened."

And then these two guys in tweet jackets in the back room while he's watching are, they basically go up to him, they say, you know, you are now sworn to secrecy, and if you say anything about this, you're going to be in real trouble. And then they proceed to, because he tells his story later, they delete his records from the government.

“Didn't they delete your records from the government as well?”

People denied that you worked if Andy Berg is at, is that right? They denied there was ever a Robert Jacobs in the Air Force. And in another inquiry, they denied there was ever a Robert Jacobs at Vanderbergue Air Force Base. And it's a division of the Iran. And you managed to have 100 people, so it's pretty easy. Yeah, well they didn't corroborate. Yeah, I had a heard through for guys working for them. Yeah, and I took some colleagues who were my commanding people, and I also have something called a DD-14.

I have records here. My office efficiency reports are in there. I can't get rid of the stuff. My white keeps saying, clear that shit out of your bottle of vodka and don't worry about him. I don't know, I might use it and sure enough, it's turned out to be valuable. Oh yeah, in the Anyways, against the infamy of the CIA, but we didn't have a launch on that date. There was no Atlas launch that day. Well, it got down while there was, because Robert found the fun to fly holes from Vanderbergue, and seen that particular, that particular launch.

And they did not, they also scrubbed the launch itself for the records.

“Correct, open open. Wow. And you're mailbox was blown up as well, right?”

My wife and I had been out to a movie. We came back from the movie about 10 o'clock at night, and there was a message on my answering machine. And it's said, fireworks in your mailbox at night will put a beautiful sight. You're going down by their fucker. And my mailbox blew up. I took that quite seriously. I bought an ammunition from my gun. And then Florence Mansman, his major who is superior eventually is tracked down by, I think, Bob Haystanks and some other researchers, and in the 90s admit that he did manage Bob Jacobs.

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Because it did occur at the same time. So you gave me Bob Jacobs from number. I call Bob Jacobs, we discussed this. I had an additional experience when I was at Vandenberg. And I was able to watch him in at Met.

“I'm not admitted. I was able to watch at least launched.”

And it got up. Now, I'm underneath the list of this time at Vandenberg, rather than from the side. And I'm watching this missile in a stage, but before it's staged, that means it's first stage dropped off. Second stage, Ducca. This or yellow orb came over and tracked the missile. It didn't go around it or anything. It tracked it. Then it staged. And then it's continued tracking, which meant it wasn't a fuel leak.

He says it was a fuel leak. It might've wound up. And I had relayed that. Then Bob Jacobs thought maybe I had witnessed what he had witnessed.

But the timing was not right. First of all, he had taken...

When he saw the missile launch, he saw it come up through the clouds. Well, this was the cloud of this day when I saw what I saw. He saw his bad experience in September. It was closer to me when I saw this happen. Now, I don't know. I had asked one of the sergeant down on the launch site the next day. What happened with that missile? And he just told me if I was wise, I would keep my mouth shut.

Wow. And I did just that. I could have my mouth shut.

“So you had already seen essentially UFO, which I think at the time that used to call tag-alongs,”

because they would often track missile trajectories. It just stayed right with the missile. Yeah. That's amazing. In 1963, we have another example of an F8 Atlas missile being tracked by this sort of tag along.

And it's even in the report. And this was, I believe, a month or two before the blue-gill triple prime test. And I think, September of 1963. So I told me, I'm wise, I keep my mouth shut. And I figured I'm wise. I'm going to keep my mouth shut, because I didn't want to get in any of the problems that you know.

I was getting out soon and they are going to get out of June. I just wanted to get out and leave it even along. So that's fascinating, because in May of 1964, you see this sort of tag along UFO. Yeah. And September of 1964, Bob Jacobs unbeknownst to you during this test on video.

CZ UFO shoot a dummy nuclear warhead out of the sky. Right. And then I want to get to this is the, you know, kind of the core experience that you had was also in September of 1964. My core experience was in September, right. And what happened then?

Well, I was assigned to a men-up man missile. I was assigned to a men-up man missile site. And the guard check is right next to the gate. There's a fence around the missile site. And it's, it's got 80, 80, 80, 80 alarms on it.

Do nothing really. The site itself is well lit. It has like a stadium lighting up there. And it's well lit. And I was on the night shift, so that, and it was foggy.

And so that kind of apparent like a dome over me, you could probably see 30, 40 feet from where the guard check was. And I could see the missile site behind me. But if I looked straight ahead, I just saw a wall of fog.

Basically, a sergeant had come and delivered a lunch,

which has been to a clock in the morning on average with your night shift. And so the timing went right around to a clock was a sergeant head just left. And so I'm sitting there.

I'm looking ahead and I see this shadow.

“And I see a man, which appeared to be a man,”

or a humanoid figure, emerged from the fog. And I thought, well, what the sergeant walked back.

And that's my first name on the sergeant walked back.

And he couldn't figure why. But then the next thing, this figure kept coming towards me. Now, it had like a trench coat on. Really? Very similar to the raincoat that we're issued to the officers.

And he had a cap on, which could have, so my next name on winter, that's some officer checking up on me. But as a guy closer, I realized this was not what it was. And I could feel it in my mind. I mean, it was like it was started driving old on me.

And that could became really frightened. And as it approached me, I tried to pull my pistol. We had 38 police as part of our gear. And I tried to pull my pistol in my right arm was paralyzed. I couldn't move it.

I could move my body, but I couldn't move my arm. And I became more terrified.

And I became closer to me.

Something I can't see the face in my brain. If I tried to see this face, I can't see it. It's a blank. But whatever it was, was terrifying me. And whatever it was, had control of at least my right arm.

And I was standing just outside the shack. And I'd back to end of the shack. Just instinctively, I guess. And I got myself back to the back of the shack. Shack.

And there was nowhere else to go. And the figure was coming, continue coming towards me. And there was a shelf at the back. There was a telephone on there. And it was just a shelf.

“And I can remember distinctly pushing my back.”

Into that shelf and trying to push the back of the shack out. I was like a rat caught in the trap. And the terror was just. I couldn't describe how I've just terrified. And they're saying I know I'm out.

And I don't know if I passed out. Or it's just blank at that point. So then then I come to. And I'm inside this. It's a circular roll.

I'm not going to call a craft because I didn't see it from the outside. But I'm in this circular roll. And I'm on my knees and there's about a. Two and a half three foot circle. That's clear.

You could see through it. And there's this figure on my right hand side. And it's. It's. Communicate.

You don't look at me. Don't look over here. Just look through the circle. And.

“You know, it's weird because it's not word.”

You know what it wants. It's like he's. It's very definitely a command, but it's not in words, but you know what. You know, I don't know other people have this psychic. Thought process or anything like that. But one thing that it was not words.

It was just I knew. I was not to look at it. You know, just look at this circle. So I'm looking at the circle. And what you see initially is just this gray fog.

So basically one things I noticed at the time is that I would expect a breeze.

It's something cold. It'd be coming through and it wasn't. It's like there's a barrier. But it wasn't like class. It was just clear.

And also this. To kind of clears away like clouds splitting. And there's a post about a hundred yards down the. Down the street on the opposite side of the room. Now I'm on site.

I'm on site D5 and this is this site D11. No, it just across the street down there. I've familiar with the site. I know which one it was. It usually identifiable by the side of the street and the orientation.

And it's just getting light. And I can see this truck pull up to the gate. And it had. It was a flat bed truck. Long flat bed truck.

It had a lot of long pipes on it. And the guard was to the. Came over to the. The right side of the truck. And obviously was getting.

Idea checking with whoever was driving went over. Open the gate that the truck in and then the clouds closed up. And so I'm still looking through this hole and it's now just. You know, just keep looking through the hole. And I kind of raised my eyes to look around without looking over.

And there were the opposite me about. Oh, six, ten feet away.

And I could see that the wall of the.

Of the craft. But I'll call it a craft now.

“I could see that the bench was just a continuation of the.”

Material of whatever the wall was. And whatever lighting was in there. The figures were celebrated like the light source. It's behind are from the wall. But very, very.

Consistent. I mean, it wasn't like bright lights or anything. It effectively the room was pretty dark. So the figure seemed sell away that. What appeared to me like the.

A baby at a large head. And smaller body disproportionate. The eyes were discernible because they were darker than.

And then the skin features or whatever.

There's a lot of people say they were, you know, these creatures or creatures being. Whatever. Where some sort of suit or something like that. I couldn't really tell that.

“Basically a silhouette would just slight features available.”

And there were two on one side and two on the other side of the space in between that. I took to be some sort of door out of this room or something like that. And that's about it. I mean, that's next thing I know. I'm.

Stony on the I'm laying on the floor of the guardshack. There's like a little porch right in front of the door to the guardhack. And I'm laying with my feet off the porch on the ground. And. This being sitting on the porch and has my head at a slap.

And it's saying to me it's communicating again. It's communicating. I'm sorry, you know, we didn't mean to scare you. It was we just, you know. It was if we didn't mean to scare you.

But we had had to have access to the site. So we needed that we needed the intelligence. The photo was gathering out of this form of communication. That they were just needed access to the site. And I was in the way.

And so. It really felt comfortable.

“Like, you know, I felt like, well, this is okay.”

He's not going to hurt me, you know. So I was fine, you know, but I kept the other thing. It's keep my eyes tightly shut. It did not want me to look at it or see it. Keep your eyes shut.

You know, and and. And I apologize. I'm sorry that we scared you so much. But we needed to have access and newer you were in the way. And he says, no, I'm going to leave.

And I want you to. Just keep your eyes shut. Just, you know, don't get up. Don't do anything to stay there with your eyes shut. And he left.

And I did just what he said. I laid there for maybe 15 minutes with my eyes shut. And I was just glad to see him go directly.

And then I finally got up and looked around.

And the sun was just. It had come over the there's a ridge mountains behind the. What we called deceptor probably. Quarter from while back and the sun was coming up over that ridge. And if you look towards the ocean, you could see the light.

Coming, you know, lighting up the ocean is kind of beautiful sight. And I looked over to my right. And there's a little chipmunk on the ground. And I am there. I just felt so much love for that little chipmunk.

You know, I felt like I was joined with that chipmunk. You know, one living creature to another and a little chipmunk. Kind of just look back at me. And kind of skirt away. About 20, 30 minutes later.

The time would be probably around 637 o'clock. My relief came. Now the missiles. 56 yards off the main road. There's a little road that goes to the to the missile site.

And you know, my relief came down. Relieved me. And then they're all delivered by these air force root pick up. And I could have gotten four darts to see the back. I could have gotten inside.

But I didn't want to. I got back and I put my back to the cabin, the truck. And I pulled my feet up. And then they went and picked up the other guards. And I was just real quiet.

They were asking me what's wrong. And you know, and I knew something had happened. But I couldn't point my finger on something profound. But, and I was confused. And it was cold.

Because they did a foggy morning until the sun came up and kind of burned it off.

And I was just trying to, what's what happened? You know what? Figured, you know, I couldn't figure it out. And by the time I got back the base. Well, I couldn't remember anything.

“Now, I didn't remember this particular thing until two weeks later.”

Roughly two weeks later. And I was aware that something had happened. But I couldn't put my finger on it. I'd try to put it aside. And it was just something that nagged at me.

But then I got up in the morning. I was apparently on the day shift because it was early morning. And all of a sudden, and you know, I've heard of paralysis sleep, where people have these experiences. I wasn't paralyzed. I woke up.

And all of a sudden, I got flooded with this whole experience that I just told you. And it wasn't a dream. I could tell you, it was so real.

I've never had a dream like that before.

And I've never had that happen since. It was real. And I knew it was real.

“And I think next to some vanetian binds, and I picked him up and kind of looked out that sound was shining.”

And I looked over and my roommate was asleep. And I kept thinking, God, what's this? I need to tell somebody, this is this is critical. You know, there's some entities. God on my site.

And I got up and I got dressed. And I was going to breakfast and I thought, no, this is this is crazy. I'm not going to tell anybody. They're going to put me in a sightboard. And then it was like, I got something in my mind, says, no, don't you tell anybody.

You keep this to yourself. It's like there was a priest that command or something like that. I think it was so vivid that it was, it was kind of released. It was, they wanted to time lapse between the event and the time that it came. You know, that night it was aware of the experience.

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he said that they needed to get the information on the site, the data. The missiles. See, in the missile, there's at the top of a metat band missile. There's like a donut on a toilet paper roll. There's a broom that has the electronic equipment in it.

It has a separate access door to it. And inside there, they were big old computers back in those days. When the missile is, it's the launch command, then it's, that's it. In order to keep somebody from sabotaging it or stopping the launch, everything takes place in that lower room.

And that's where the crew does, that's the maintenance on the missile. I don't know anything like that. There's a door that actually opens into the site. And so they needed to get in that room,

Things, that's where I'm thinking that they got the data.

That's basically what I'm speculating, but.

They use the shack essentially as a point of access for this. No, okay. They just, I was at the shack and they just needed to, need me out of the way, basically. And as he came towards me and I passed out, I was out of the way.

See, we're just between him and this electronics room. There's a fence with the ADT that I'm in front of the fence. So somehow, they got through the ADT and got into the crew access area. And down into, I have to assume because I passed out in the spotlight. But he did say or communicate that they needed the data from the missile.

So my assumption is they've got down in that crew area, and got the point of her data they needed. The first being you see has a trench coat on and looks like this shadowy silhouette. Yeah. I just can't remember its face.

Okay. So kind of hard to just recall. Because face terrified me. I know the face terrified me. I can't tell you what it was.

“Because I don't think my brain wants to remember.”

But it terrified me. I don't know that was the guys. I have no idea what it was, but it terrified me. Yeah. I know how terrified it was.

You can't dream. I don't think you can dream that kind of terror. It was like a rat that's trapped in a corner by the cat. But it was wearing a human clothing. You were a trench coat.

I mean humanoid probably five foot in probably. Oh. Very human. And the trench coat didn't seem otherworldly. Yeah.

So it didn't think it might have been an officer. Yeah. And so maybe he was kind of in disguise or something. Yeah. I didn't know what was going on.

That was my first impression.

But then I when my arm was paralyzed. And I felt him in control. He had control of me. I say he. But he had control of me.

You know, I'm assuming it was. I mean, I'd read it as a male figure because he trench coat. We don't wear French coats. And the regime he had thought it was an officer. Then it realized it was something else.

And then it was a boof towards me. It had control of me. And then I passed, you know, I couldn't pull my weapon. Oh, and I tried to scream. Because I wanted to scream.

And I could get his. I couldn't even scream. Wow.

“And then I remember my back pressing into that.”

Shelf. And then the black.

Do they look like the typical classic.

That was more like a babysat. It didn't have. I don't recall ears. I know there was no hair. You could you could tell that even in silhouette.

I mean, there were. It was around head with big eyes. That's what. But gradients have large heads proportionate to their body. These were different in some way than in a typical grade.

It's like visualizes. The chin was not pointed. You see so many pointed chin. It was looked like a baby's head. Interesting.

And you know, and one of the things. The next were like a baby's neck. You know, you see pictures of the aliens with these thin necks and the big head. Yeah. Well, those nicks couldn't hold.

That heavy. You know, the nicks were proportionate. They were like our nicks. You know, they're they're round enough and strong enough to hold up this big head. What color was their skin?

Well, to me, it was just all dark. I mean, it was. It was just dark. It was like I say it's yellow. It may be dark gray or.

But hard to tell because the writing was. Because the lighting was obviously backlighting of some sort. And they're they're communicating to you. Don't look. They're not doing anything.

They're not they're not communicating. They're watching me. Okay. They're just watching me. So the the other figure that.

Other figure, the humanoid figure. The humanoid figure. That's the one that did all the communication. Okay. And that one is communicating.

Don't look as soon as that's as soon as you're in the craft. He's saying, don't look. Don't look. Just keep looking through the hole. That's all.

You can't you you're looking through the hole. But then at some point you see these four. Well, when when when when they closed up oversight. The 11. Then I raised my eye.

I didn't have my head. I raised my eyes. So my view is. You know, through the. It's not an end, but I could see towards the wall and I could see the four figures.

You mentioned being extremely afraid around the original humanoid figure.

“What did you feel when you're in the presence of these four beings?”

I feel very comfortable. It was. I felt everything was okay. You know, I wasn't afraid. I wasn't just everything was okay.

I'm just curious what's happening.

But no fear at that point. If you're had that terror had got away.

“Did you ever have the thought why am I not afraid?”

Because this is an extremely anomalous experience. I'm having. I also wondered why it was. I felt so comfortable. I was just comfortable.

You know, it's like I was experiencing something like that. But almost. Like I'm not. Like I'm viewing myself almost. I mean, I wasn't doing myself.

It was from my own. Were they making you feel comfortable? Do you think? Or obviously you're interpretation. You know, there's a there's a bike period between.

Passing out in the shed and waking, you know, are coming to in the vessel now. They could have given me a sedative or used telepathy to make me feel comfortable. Because it went from one extreme to comfortable. And then on the guard check for.

To ecstasy, you know, I feel so good. It's sitting, you know, my head on this lap. You know, like I just felt wonderful. You know, I could if I were to. Relate it to something.

I'd say, because of my background would be a baby suckling out. It's mother's breast. You know, that just nice and warm and comfortable. And Bobby's there and I feel okay. The world's okay.

And the world is good. And then it did say it. And it goes back to your original question. Did he say anything else? Yes, or community thing else.

Is that. They're not going to let it, you know, go to nuclear war. They needed to stop these missiles from launching. They were trying to get the data on how to. The footage was their task then.

And that there wasn't good. They weren't going to allow these missiles to be launched. They weren't allowed us to go to nuclear war. In essence, that earth, you know, was important to them. And then there was another thing.

That not every species, there were more than one species. And there weren't all us benevolent is. They were the creature. It's like, you know, and if a push came to shove. There could be some real issues over who's going to.

You know, once they take, at that point once they stop all the missiles. They're. They're going to take over the sense I got. So they're multiple non-human species. This species happens to be sort of very.

But doing a recon on the nuclear codes and how things work. And they're presenting themselves as benevolent.

“And do you trust, you know, coming away from the experience that they were benevolent?”

Yeah, yeah, I think I just walked out. Did they say which species they came from? They tell me anything.

It's just basically that the earth was.

The sense was, look, this is a privileged support does. And we're not going to let you destroy it. And if push comes to shove, we're going to intervene. The love that you felt for the chipmunk was that representative of some. Larger flooding of love that you felt for all.

Yeah, that was it. Yeah, it was like I had this feeling of ecstasy while I was being on the lap of the being. You know, then it just carried over. You know, once he left, I kept my eyes shut for a while. And then I got up and there's this chipmunk sitting there.

And I just felt this connection. This was, I just love that little chipmunk. You know, and I felt connected to it. Like, you know, here's here's another living being. And apart, we're part of the.

There was no separation. We were in the same. We've just a living being.

And we never something good about that, you know.

I know it was dark.

“But what did the room look like if you had to describe it?”

You remember the water? The water is said. Okay. The walls were grayish. Okay.

Which sell away. So there was the lighting in the room. I don't know how much came through the hole in the floor. Or how much was backlighting on the wall. However, the figures were backlit because they were sell away.

So I'm just, you know, the walls must have had some sort of. Of. For our condessence that made them. Put the pictures in and. And this sell away that I was looking at.

I could distinguish the eyes as large, but not all of Chief. Like you see in a lot of the typical picture. They were just big. Big eyes. And dark.

Darker than say that's scanned or to the room. Look in distinguishable from something man made. Or did it look. Oh no, it's bad made. It looks the room itself.

Yeah. Look. If I were to say.

Just want giant piece of plastic.

You know, want giant piece of. Great plastic. Well, that doesn't sound man made to me. I don't think it is. Well, it might not be.

I mean, well, there's a difference between artificially constructed by deliberately. And, and man, human made. You're saying it's human made. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It could be had to be an awfully big mold.

I mean, you know, you're talking to room. That's maybe 15 feet across. And why did it look molded?

“I think that the four entities were sitting on.”

You could see. The they were celebrated. They were very dark. But the wall and the material was grayish. Hmm.

So I could see the the material. And all else of the floor was. It was concave. Hmm. Another, they were elevated somewhat above.

Where I was on my knees down there. Any seams or rivets or. So it was sort of smooth. Even even to the point. It looked like I could fall through that hole.

If I got too close. I mean, it looked like a hole. Yeah. But there was no, there was just. The rim, but there was no.

You know, there's not that like a seam or anything. Like it was part of the same material, except it was transparent. So it looked. It sounds like a classic saucer that you hear in other alien abduction stories. Yeah, I guess so at the time I didn't know what other.

Especially from the inside, you know. Yeah. Have you looked in do any other stories that sort of align with yours? Hard to find anything that describes the ends. I mean, you know, I hear these bright lights.

And these creatures obviously didn't want bright lights. You know, they have big eyes. The room was dark. And you hear people while they wake up in those room. And it's all lit up and it's bright.

And it doesn't seem consistent to be.

“Because if you're going to have big eyes, you must be dark adapted for wherever you come from.”

What time of day was this you were taking in the morning? Is that right? Okay. It started right after the launch of the delivered, which we'd put it about to a clock. Okay.

Okay. When I'm on the in the morning when I'm looking through the hole. Well, it's light enough to see what's going on on the ground.

Like it just sunrise basically.

Like just kind of like dawn, you know, not well lit. But enough that you can discern. I could see the truck. I could see if there's a load of the pipes. I could see the see the guard walk over to the window.

I could see him open the gate. And the truck drying in. That was all. But it was like not. You know, it wasn't that sunshine lit.

The sunshine came when I looked in the saw the check mark. And the sun was actually coming over that bridge about.

“And it was kind of pretty because if you look towards the ocean,”

didn't you could see the ocean kind of with a kind of yellow color to it. And and it felt so good. You know, I mean, I'm sitting here and everything just felt good. And so this whole event was morning to like afternoon. Like after new niche, no, all of that was a 2 a m to a 2 a m.

Okay, 2 a m till probably 60 a.m. I'm not sure when sunrise is but dot it. So there's two to and that's when when Bob he seems asked me. Over the original one, when he was on door to George Norie. When I got caught off, he had asked me about a gap in time.

And I had not thought about that gap in time between 2 a m. And the time that entity came to me and saved 536 in the morning. Well, there's a gap.

And I had never even considered that.

And that's when I got caught off because I was just going to say, Hey, I had considered that. So there was a there's a gap. Now if what went on in that gap. I'm going to talk and say 230 to the six that's 3 some odd hours.

You know, it's more than what I'm describing to you. So I have no idea what went on. So maybe some lost time. It's lost time definitely. You know, I had my friend Lonnie that is this doctor and psychology.

And I had told her about this. Oh, 20 some odd years ago. And she at one of her specialties is regressive hypnosis. But she didn't want to put me through regressive hypnosis. Because I was when I was relating.

She thought I was so upset. She didn't. She found this one per pay grade. You know, to deal with somebody that, you know,

She didn't deal with the experience with like I had her.

“When you are guarding this shack from like.”

You're guarding the shack. Okay, a missile site. The shack's for a shelter when you're guarding when you're at the shack. And you're guarding the missile site. And it's early morning around the time of, you know,

2 a.m. to 6 a.m. Are you generally interacting with anyone else? No, there's no one there. Okay. Guards or we were just put out there all by ourselves.

We spent the whole shift by ourselves. So we were supposed to, uh, this is probably, I'm not. We were supposed to make a call when the missile was in in the silo. We were supposed to make a call every half hour.

And if to command post.

But we didn't because it was just a given.

You call me in the morning. And they were supposed to log it. Well, they logged it all night long. They slept. We didn't sleep because they were.

But we didn't want to get caught sleeping, but if you were in command post, nobody, nobody can get in the command post without going through knocking on doors to everything like that. So they would take turns sleeping.

They would log all the calls. And we would just fool around, you know. And it was boring. You know, you got there in the middle of the night. It was dark and dark foggy.

You're nothing to do. You can't even read because we sneak books on some of the sites. But you couldn't even admit it, man. You could, it was too dark. Even when the bright light you couldn't.

Because the light was focused on the, on the silo itself, on the, on the, on the launch complex. And, you know, you have a little light like one of these up here, barely lit.

So basically we all hated that.

I mean, one of us hated that. And sometimes we'd get, we had phones. Because they would call in front. We'd had make the call into a command post. So we'd call each other.

When you're in this room or UFO, saucer, whatever it is, and you're hovering above the base. Do you see what they're trying to do or monitor? Well, I don't know why they showed me that. It's just like they could.

They were trying to show me. I was, you know, craft, I guess. And that, you know, show me if something that I'd be familiar with.

“What do you know what day in September this might have been?”

No, not, not because it was, it was two weeks later, when the fall memory came back. And then, so I could, I could tell you what particular, I probably could have at the time. Did you tell anybody at the base?

Oh, God, no. Did you know of any UFO activity at Vandenberg Air Force Base at the time? That's the time. You know, all those scottable was, if you went out to D-sector,

which was 20 balls away from the base in your scottable, you know, to scare the new guys was a big foot south there. He's got to get you, but there was nothing about UFOs or even talk about it that I know. Do you ever speculate that the UFO you were in was the same UFO

that maybe shot the dummy nuclear warhead out of the sky in Bob Jacobs case? There's two, two close together, September, September. So, this was at night, Bob Jacobs was in the daytime, but I'm sure the activity was coordinated. You know, it could have been the same craft.

It could have been, I don't know what their structure is up there. How many of them there are? Have you seen any UFOs since then, or have you seen how any direct contact experiences were happening? We were forth to July where I live.

The house, the park, it's a long wash. And it's a great place to watch forth to July fireworks. And we were sitting there, and this sort of had probably turned around 2000 in that vicinity. We're at there watching fireworks.

And somebody said, "What's that bright light up there?"

“And I looked up and I said, "Oh, I think that's Jupiter."”

And I said, "No, it's Jupiter. It's over there." I said, "Oh, no, it's pretty bright, isn't it?" So I had a, a binoculars. And I looked at it with a binoculars, and it was going side to side. This episode is sponsored by Cove Pier.

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And I had the binoculars to another guy. And he said, "Look at this, is that moving?" He said, "Yeah, it's moving."

So they negate back to me, and it starts to do a zigzag.

And then it goes into a zigzag. And then it kind of shot off towards an earth. And so there was no real interaction. But, and I said to this friend, "That's a UFO." And so he was kind of skeptical, but I said, "Well Roger, it's something I identified.

We don't know what it is." And it's up there in the sky, so it's a UFO. I don't think it's a flying saucer, but it's very unique. You know, that was the only other type, something. And there were like five of us that witnessed that.

But...

“Is there anything else worthy of relaying that you haven't told me about the core experience in 1964 in September?”

No, because to me, it's three-segment. It was initially the entity coming out of the fog and the terror I felt. Inside the craft, we'll call it craft. And then on the floor of the guard shack and waking up and looking at the jet bunk, you know, when it came flashing back, that's when I went back and tried to put the time together,

like getting on the truck and doing what... At the point, I felt so odd when I got on the truck. Well, it was because I had this experience, but it was fading. And by the time I got back the base, it was gone. And although there was this nagging feeling that I do something that happened,

but I could tell you what. But it really nagged at me. It was, you know, a comfortable feeling, something happened, but I don't know what. Did you have any physical marks or chips implanted or anything like that? I could tell you, just...

And I don't know if it relates or not. I recall it one time. I had it like a side-to-seal and I blew my nose and a BB came out. There were a little round ball with a flat side on it. Really?

Yeah, but I did correlate that to that experience at all. I did, but I did connected. Well, one was that. Oh, probably a few years later, you know. But that's really interesting.

Yeah, it is now that I looked back. A metal BB came out of your nose.

“And I believe the nose is one of the most common places that people have sort of implants.”

I did, I did get back to that. Oh, I just was. I thought, baby, well, what I was a kid. Bob Hastings himself wrote UFOs in Newx. His actually UFOs experienceer.

And he wrote a book about this called Confessions. And he talks about an implant in his nose. And then waking up with blood on his pillow. He didn't mention after the camping trip in 1988. He waking up with blood on your pillow.

Did that have to do with anything that possibly was inserted in you. You know, their implants that have been reported in certain abduction cases. I was aware of the concept of implants and people finding blood on, you know, their clothing and so on and so forth.

I never felt the need for whatever reason to, you know,

investigate that further, you know, like try to get an x-ray.

Would you x-ray me? I just wasn't prepared to go there. So I thought I might have something in my body, but I didn't really think about it. Well, in 2001, I believe it was. I was having breathing problems.

I had a deviated septum. So I finally had some nasal surgery. So I had that done to correct this problem. And I go in for the post operation meeting with the doctor. And he said, he was like, I would say in his late '60s or '70s.

He was shaking his head literally and figuratively. And he said, I found something in your right nostril that was so hard. I almost couldn't break through it. He said, it was a damn to sing. You know, and he was saying, you know, I've done this for many years.

I've never seen anything like it or encountered anything like it.

Whatever words he used. And you know, I'm kind of rolling my eyes and going, holy crap. I bet I know what it was. But what they do is they have a vacuum wand with a tube attached to a tank. And so they're roto-rudering your nose and getting cartilage out and cleaning up your nasal passages.

So whatever was in there, they just sucked out and discarded. You know, to him, it was just some sort of biological anomalous and never saved it. So, you know, it was gone by the time. You know, he told me about that. I just did, it was quite a few years later.

I did connect it. I just thought it was, I must have put that in there when I was a kid.

“It was, the only thing it wasn't a copper BB.”

It was, it was like chrome plated or something.

Did he save it and test it or anything else?

Oh, because I, I, I spit it into my hand. And I thought, oh, this must have been there for years. And I threw it away. Do you ever think what is this doing up here? He just, I thought I'd maybe stuck it in when I was a kid.

You know, I did, you kids stick things in their ears. I stick, sticks in my ears and my nose. And so that's what I related it to. But now later, when they talk about implants, I think, well, it's still could be that something I put in my nose.

When I was a kid or it could be in an implant, I don't know. Did you ever do any sort of hypnotic regression or see any sort of psychiatrist about us? I, I kind of was hoping a lot he would want to do it, but she did want to do it. Did you ever think that there was some sort of trickery involved? And somebody was messing with your mind?

Oh, no, it was too, too vivid, too real. And nobody could do what's done to be. Nobody could create that kind of terror. Nobody could evoke that kind of love. I mean, nobody could do that.

That was super natural. So, I mean, the terror, yeah, I was rat trapped in a box. You know, but the love, nobody could, nobody could do that. You mentioned Lonnie, your friend who has hypnotic regression experience. See, you told her about this experience, right?

“How many people have you told? How many friends have you told?”

Well, Lonnie was a wife of my best friend, and I told Mike, my best friend. And consequently, he had mentioned something to Lonnie that I gave her the whole story. And then I had told a couple of people that I kind of trusted that they weren't real close friends, but I had coffee with quite often. And I knew pretty well.

I mean, we had pretty good large group of guys that used to hang out. Starbucks and drink coffee at BS at night. Did you ever tell anybody who was stationed at the base with you at Vandenberg? No, no. Okay.

I kept my, you know, it was...

First of all, it was like, if I wanted to, I don't think I could,

because it was like, I was told not to. Not even the beings that conditioned me, or hypnotized me, or something. I would try to, but then it was totally, you know, like... It was as if they still had some lingering control over you. You don't say anything to keep your mouth shut.

Because I tried several times I wanted to. You know, I could...

“Did you know anything about UFOs at the time prior to the experience?”

Yeah, you know, everybody heard of Barty Hill. You know, I know real extensive knowledge of it. It wasn't... I mean, is it probably some... I've read stories, but I did focus on it, or dwell on it, or...

Was it a big deal to me, you know, to... Do you think about what happened to you now a lot, and do you think about the implications and meaning of what happened? All that I... And what conclusions have you drawn?

Just what that... That they're out there, that I'm gonna let us go to nuclear war. You know, it's called the L.R.I. Water. And if they do, that... That's their game.R's anymore, you know.

I mean, this is the sense I got that they would leave it to the Lord unless we screw it up.

“What do you hope to achieve now by relaying your story to me?”

Hopefully, you know, hundreds of thousands of people at least get to hear your testimony. What do you hope they take away from it? Well, it's just one more. Like when I wrote...

Bob Salazar, I'm not in this for anything. It's just a piece of data that might be interesting to him. Or anybody else. It's just another piece to me. It's, you know, Robert Hastie's books got like 169 accounts.

And, you know, if he... If he...

If he updates it, I'd never...

What's 17, this... It's a little more unique because he only has... With me eight cases of... ...of the third kind. Closing has it at the third kind.

So actually experiencing beings themselves... Yeah. That's right. Only eight of his, you know, 167. Some odd experiences have had those experiences where they see beings.

I do think, though, it's funny, I've had this conversation with Bob Hastings in the past where I say, did you... Did you systematically ask all of the whistleblowers who just seen crafts? Whether they've seen beings themselves? And he said no.

And so if eight people have volunteered that they've seen beings...

“You have to think that number is actually just much higher.”

Yeah, I assume it is. I think... I mean, there's lots of people out there who said they've seen... There's always the issue. You know...

How? I could tell this story.

And there's always going to be somebody who's going to want to debuck.

At the first thing they're going to say, it has been... said to me, well, you have no witnesses. You know, you were out there by yourself. So did you make the story up or... It was a...

The... The... Before George Nardy had... Artbel. Artbel.

Okay. There was somebody that had... I had a called in... Artbel. And...

I did get through. And basically he said, "Well, he would... He bailed me. He bought my email." And I said, "That he would email me."

But if I find out you're just screwing around or lying. He says, "I'm going to make it very tough on you." Artbel said this. Not Artbel. The guy that he was interviewing.

Ah. And so we had quite an exchange for a while. I told him that, you know, pretty much a story. Who was this? I don't know.

I tried to look back over by emails. And I could only go back so far. Describe them, maybe I could... I figured that... It wasn't about hasty.

Because I talked about hasty things about this. And I didn't know about hasty things was one. I had talked to what I told George's story. Except he remembered that he... He didn't remember by a particular talk.

But you know what I had said to him. But he was on George's story. A big interview. One was the interview with George's story. Ah.

Probably about... No, seven, eight years ago. Okay. And so that's live for everyone did. Yeah, that was live too.

So, and both are probably out there. So we could probably dig up the... I would like it.

And Bob Hastings would like me to dig up the first one.

The first one. Bill. But all I could do is go back over the... By... You know, by AOL and see...

But they're all raised there. Sure. I could go back. The person who art ballet was interviewing and maybe I can help you. He was very much like Bob Hastings.

He had read the book. It was more extensive to just... You know, you know, both the dukes. But it sounded very credible. And...

The only thing he said is... You know, we had... Had this exchange to seven or eight emails. And he said, "Well, he couldn't... He couldn't include the edd for the books because he couldn't collaborate it."

Because you didn't have someone else coming out. Who is witnessing the thing. But he said, "I believe you." But it just... It's not something I could put up my book because I want to...

Yeah. Everything could cooperate. Well, sounds like a decent researcher. With it was the name "Lindiman" by any chance. I could...

I can't remember... Or "Oxler" or... Okay. I can't remember your deep half the time. Yeah.

No, you're good.

“Well, I think, you know, stories at Vanderburg are so compelling because...”

Not only do you have a story happening the same month... Yeah. That was corroborated by Floran's man's men, who is the major who is in charge in supervising Bob Jacobs, who is a photo instrumentation specialist.

So you do have a witness there. Yeah. But that happened the same month. And then you also have other stories at Vanderburg. Do you know who Jeff Neuchetelli is by any chance?

He's an interesting witness.

Experience, you know, this UFO. Between 2003 and 2005,

“five UAP incidents occurred at Vanderburg Air Force Base.”

The incursions began on October 14, 2003, when Boeing contractors reported a massive glowing red square... silently hovering over two missile defense sites. After several minutes, it drifted further east onto the base... and vanished over the hills.

This event, now known as the Vanderburg Red Square... was referenced by Representative Luna at the first hearing on this topic. Official Air Force Records of this event are in possession... by Arrow and the FBI. Later that night, while I was on duty,

security guards at a critical launch site reported a bright, fast-moving object over the ocean.

I responded to the incident. Chaos ensued over the radio as the object approached rapidly. I heard my friend screaming, "It's coming right at us, it's coming right for us, and now it's right here." Moments later, I heard them say that it had shot off and was gone. When I arrived on scene, I talked to five shaken witnesses...

who described a massive triangular craft... larger than a football field that hovered silently for about 45 seconds... over their entry control point before shooting away at impossible speed. So, Vanderburg is definitely a hotspot. It's one of these places like Maumstrom, you know, base in Montana...

where, throughout the year, you have recurring patterns of UFO sightings. So, I do think there is some sort of intimate connection there.

“Oh, yeah, I think this is an ongoing thing.”

I think it's going on right now. I think my impression was that they're not going to... they're going to be ready to intervene. Should we go, you know, that those missiles moved, but until then, they're going to stay at the background.

Although I'm not sure there are always at the background because there's a lot going on.

Now, that makes me wonder if there are orchestrating a lot of this steps towards this disclosure. You think the beings themselves might be orchestrating disclosure? Yeah, that's speculation, I sure. Well, Richard, thank you so much for doing this. I really appreciate it.

And, yeah, appreciate your courage and all the incredible detail. And I hope that this, again, allows other people to come forward as well. Oh, too, because nothing else that's got some people prepared to... this ultimate disclosure so that they're... Think about it, they're ready for it when it comes.

“And I think there's enough evidence out there overwhelming evidence,”

and I think, again, we go back to Nux and... or do I follow Nux, that well-researched evidence and one source. And there's thousands of sources out there. I'm trying to think about... Project Blue Book, who was the doctor...

Jalan Heineck? Yeah, yeah. He came to... took the evidence and he had a very brilliant man. No, nobody who spends more than three days on the UFO topic comes to the conclusion that it's fake.

Other than people associated with our nuclear programs or the DOE or the Atomic Energy Commission. So, you know, or the, you know, NDRC or, you know, precursors to, you know, our Atomic program. So, you have Don Menzel who's, you know, this kind of deep-state spook, you know, friends with Van of our Bush held all the clearances in the book.

He, he, he, you know, ran Bureau of Statistics for the US. He was dogmaticly opposed to UFOs. You have Jalan Heineck who was opposed, but then, you know, later retracted all that stuff and kind of repented for the fact that he was opposed. You have a couple other people in official positions that got, you know, Edward Condon

who wrote the first, you know, textbook on quantum mechanics in the English language.

You know, people don't realize he was pointed supposedly appointed by the, you know, project blue book on this independent commission, you know, in Colorado. And it was supposed to, yeah, the Condon report, and it was supposed to go through all these UFO cases and basically be an independent check against blue book's findings. And then you find out that he was, you know, very close friends with Openheimer going back to, you know,

there's studies that got again in Germany in the 20s and he wrote the Los Almost Primer helped pick Los Alamos as the site for the Manhattan Project. The Los Almost Primer was something that all employees had to read upon joining the Manhattan Project and wrote the McMahon secrecy act, which is in 1946 basically the precursor to the Atomic Energy Act in 1954 and which is kind of this cloaken dagger way to overlay, you know, a atomic secrecy

So basically you spend a few days on this, you become open-minded or you're dogmaticly opposed

“because you're like some sort of operationalized asset against the thing.”

Protecting your own, uh, exactly.

And maybe, you know, maybe there are few contemporary examples where I don't want to say they're full bad faith actors,

“but, you know, it's probably easy to impune a lot of their motives as well.”

Anyways, you know, even though the latest head of arrow, you know, our official, you know, again modern investigation program,

which is similar to blue book, it's probably just this fake hit job on UFOs.

“This guy named Sean Kirkpatrick, who, you know, has long ties with the DOE, worked at Oak Ridge, you know,”

got this award from Brookhaven when he was a teenager and, you know, has all sorts of, you know, monetary incentives to say this stuff is fake. So anyways, Richard, I really appreciate you. And, um, this is a lot of fun and I, and hopefully it, uh, it shakes the world up. [BIRDS CHIRPING]