Meet The Scientist Who Studies Alien Implants in Human Bodies

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The aliens had been there in the middle of the night. And I had one more on the side of my head too. Well, we found the object and we took it out. It looked like nothing that I had ever removed before. Yes, you can just feel my hair right there.

You see that there's something in his ear. [laughter] Some of my favorite interviews have been these guys. They have implants. You know, they're close encounters of the third kind.

Type-2 abductions. I go in for the post-operation meeting with the doctor. And he said, "I found something in your right nostril that was so hard. I almost couldn't break through it."

“How many people do you think are walking around with alien implants inside of them?”

350,000 people.

These people are way too powerful to fight.

And their experts at mine control. They can make you do anything we want you to do, willingly. The beings that implanted you. Can't get your bad or... Hmm.

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Maybe I've followed your work. It seems like in UFO world. We seem stuck on the existence or non-existence of lights in the sky. Right. And there's a whole kind of history of research.

Deep research from very credentialed people. Discussing deeper threads, if you will, around close encounters of the third kind of duckshins. Implants, often being found in these people's bodies. There's a legendary UFO researcher named Dr. Roger Lear, who everybody likes to pay homage to.

And I view you as kind of his living air in many ways.

I mean, nobody else has taken up the research. He taught me everything.

“So I would very much like to continue to research when funding becomes available.”

It's crazy that funding should be completely available. This is like the most interesting stuff. Let's just establish for the audience who is Dr. Roger Lear. He's known as this sort of alien implant doctor. What was his background? How did he get into this?

He was a podiatrist and he was always in UFOs.

He was the most knowledgeable. You follow just I've ever met. And he was at a UFO conference once. And Darrell Sims tried to get him into an alien implant. He thought the subject was ridiculous at first.

Then he finally said, "Well, his friends can instantly take note of work out it." So he said to Darrell, "Well, you know, get some of these people down here to my office,

“and we'll get them x-rayed and take the object out and see what it is."”

And so that's how the research started. And he ended up taking out 17 objects from 17 different people over about a 20-year period. We found the object, the first one, and we took it out, it looked like nothing that I had ever removed before in a way of a foreign body. And believe me, I had removed all sorts of things from even a hair

to paper to metals of various kinds.

And so I've never saw anything like this.

It was a tea-shaped affair. There was wrapped up in a very tight biological tissue, which was this really strange color and texture. And then we took a scalpel and we wanted to see what was inside. I see the idea of the whole thing. And we were amazed to find that we couldn't cut through this biological tissue.

It came back with absolutely no inflammatory response. Now, that really makes you want to scratch your head because how do you get something into the human body and not have the body react to it? Well, that just doesn't happen. Maybe there's something weird about explanation that I didn't understand from one site.

Maybe two sites. But three sites from two different people. That's just a little too much nail. And where was he based? I found out that Dr. Leir was working in Thousand Oaks when I was working in Camerillo, California, only a few miles away.

And I had some weird experience where I saw these giant wreckions in my backyard. And when I was at the house alone one night. And I fed the animals and observed them for some time. We were about between 75 and 100 pounds. I'd estimate.

I didn't even know where. Rockins got that big. And I've done the rescue animals for the aliens because I went to bed. And we'll come everybody to clock the next morning. And had a bad steam, pain in my toe.

And I had recently believed it was some kind of an implant. And so I went to see Dr. Leir. I didn't even believe me at first, but he gave me a prescription to get the toe x-rayed. And I knew we were going to see something on the x-ray. But when I did that change my life forever, it looked like a bent piece of wire on the x-ray.

“And I didn't remember getting any trap mill in there or anything like that.”

So it was quite an experience. Then he got funding from Hayme and a son to remove it a few months later. And he didn't have anybody to analyze it. So where I was working at the time. I had a lot of analytical components.

So I analyzed it for him. And it turned out to be a sophisticated nanotechnological device. Have you read my paper on that implant? I have not. Let's hear about it.

Well, it turned out to have very skewed isotopic ratios and several elements that were in the metallic core. And to the extent that it looked like it probably came from another part of the galaxy. You know, just another planet. And how can you know that from the isotope ratios? Well, because the isotope ratios are characteristic of elements from different places.

And if they're off by more than a percent or so, that means it's from it's not from Earth.

These are off by up to like 30 percent.

The first one I think it was boron and copper.

“And there were similar results from other implants I analyzed.”

And anyway, the structure of the device was a gray hard to cut membrane. And below that, a layer of material that was similar to bone, like a biological hard part like bone or mother of pearl. Then below that, a metallic core with made a meteoric iron with carbon nanotubes inside the metal. And the nerve cells connected to the device. The pain in my toe got worse over a period of days.

And led to a lot of electric shock type pain went over it, put me weight on the toe. And I think that was the nerve cells showing in the device. These devices also produce no physiological reaction in the body.

And that's unheard of for an object always produced a physiological response.

There's no immune response, really interesting. And could these elements and isotopes theoretically have been produced in some sort of centrifuge? You could, but in order to produce those exact ratios, it would probably cost millions of dollars. And it'd be very difficult to do. The question is why?

Why would anybody do that? Yeah.

“Do you remember undergoing some sort of alien production experience prior to that behavior?”

I don't remember it consciously, but I don't remember. I don't remember it consciously, but I don't remember. I don't remember it consciously, but I don't remember. Aliens putting in the device, yeah.

What was that experience like?

Well, they two gray, a small gray being. So came into my room and woke me up and said to come outside. And I put on these steel tow boots I had by the bed and went outside with them. And there was a UFO hovering at a very low altitude over the backyard over this avocado tree. I had at the film or house.

And they indicated that I should stand below the center of the craft and took me up to the tractor beam. I started drinking out of it right by the way. It's like a blue or greenish beam lift thing. It's like gravity beam. And the center of the craft was about 50 feet in diameter.

Similar to those are sport model. If you're familiar with that. Oh yeah. And the center of the device for our craft was an airlock that had human and alien spaces use available. And there were four doors leading to the four quadrants of the craft.

And then there was a habitation running around the outside and a pilot station with two pilots. And a pair to be thought controlled. They had their hands in a panel and on top of a panel. And screens were there were there observing different things. And they took me around to the station at 90 degrees of the pilot station.

And there was a couch that stood out of the wall. And the screen indicated me for me to lie down. And it was a taller gray. And he took out of the device that looked like a black plastic candle with a piece of quarter inch stainless steel tubing on it. And touched it to my toe and pushed a button.

And that was to put the implant in. And there were fiber optics going down the center of this piece of tubing.

“And I think that's what activates the device.”

You view light. And I think that's what accounts for these red marks. You see on experience or two. There are many sunburns for you view light. Interesting.

And how long were you up there for? But now they waited for a long time for orders. I think before actually putting in the device. Because I think there's a new had started investigation. And they weren't sure they wanted that.

Because a bunch of word stuff had been happening previously. And where were you living at the time? Fill more California. Okay. Fill more.

And was this during that night? Or yeah, I was there night. It was night about three in the morning. Usually come about two or three in the morning.

And so finally after about 45 minutes.

Guys, you know, I'm tired if you're not going to do anything. Then let me go back to bed. And so they put the device in at that point. And I didn't take for a long. Once they decided to make up their minds.

Are you communicating telepathically?

Okay.

“Do you see any symbols around the craft?”

Yeah. There were some symbols.

There were some of the characteristics.

Labeling the instruments on the pilot station. And on some of the walls. They had a, believe they had a vector symbol. Blue vector symbol on the wall of a pretty big symbol. And they had two dots circles below it.

And they're uniform. So usually cobalt blue and have either a snake with a snake. A snake over a triangle. Or three orange circles arranged in a collateral triangle. And I'm led to believe that the three orange circles are arranged in an equilateral triangle.

It's the symbol of a great alliance.

The, the grades are not one species.

There were like seven different species of similar aliens that are bound by a treaty. And come to us from planets within a hundred light years of here. How are you getting that? I believe they told me. They told you there.

And what else did they tell you? A lot of stuff about physics and propulsion. Most of which I can't remember consciously.

“Do you remember anything about the physics and propulsion?”

Yeah. Yeah. They use a combination of several methods to create any gravity. And they definitely have any gravity drives. And these three different methods to create any gravity.

Do you remember the methods? Yeah. One of one is a home polar generator. If you take a disc, the basic home polar generator is a disc. Metallic disc rotating in a perpendicular magnetic field.

And it creates a voltage between the center and the outside of the disc. And the aliens use a version of that to create most of their lift. Where they circulate molten metal around the outside of the graph. That's a magnetic from analyzing samples of the material that were dropped. I think it's usually a mixture of iron and silicon.

The silicon is probably in the lower of the melting point. And there's a strong magnetic field between the top and bottom of the graph.

“That's why equipment like car electrical systems goes out when a UFO is near.”

Because of the very strong magnetic field. And they also use a method called the bi-field brown effect to generate lift where you rapidly charge a capacitor. And there's a thrust in the direction of the positive pole. And a lot of these things, the entire craft is a capacitor between the top and bottom. The top and bottom of the craft are like plates of a capacitor.

So they told you they use the bi-field brown effect, these aliens. Yeah, that's really interesting. And according to the mobiles, I don't remember them telling me those, but according to the mobiles, they also use element 115 sometimes to amplify the gravitational effect.

Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.

I'm obsessed with towns and browns. That gets me excited, the fact that there's some, you know, corroboration from an experience or that, you know, maybe that is how the craft actually works. Many institutions and people have tried to either downplay or falsify browns experiments. For example, in 1990, the Air Force tested a bi-field brown experiment in a vacuum.

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Did they say anything else? So, they're giving you all this insight into the physics. They talked about time travel, quite a bit, the physics of that. What did they say? They said that they have time travel that don't like to use it very much because, especially don't like to do long jumps because you could, if you travel back in time too far,

you could get on a different timeline and it would be difficult to get back to your own. That's the main reason. There's the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics is generally correct except that

So, this is this idea that the wave function doesn't actually collapse. It's sort of infinitely branches. But when you're saying that in certain cases, that's a combination. Most of them collapse, some of them continue on and become a different timeline. Makes a rough sense. That's interesting. The ones that do continue on are as real as this one.

And if you go back too far and then try to go forward again, there's a chance you might end up on one of those branch points. Yeah, cross one of the branch points and end up on a different timeline.

“Did they connect the, you know, quote unquote, anti-gravity with the time travel?”

Because, by field brown effect and towns around himself, it's very interesting time travel because of their relationship between gravity and time and general relativity. Well, the way they move faster than lightest of the, they use the anti-gravity drive to open up a wormhole. And I'm not sure how they, they choose where the other opening of the wormhole is, but they can do that somehow and then they'll go through it.

And go a few million kilometers before the wormhole collapses.

The wormholes are unstable. And they can do the same thing with time. They just open up a wormhole in a different time. Whether the opening is in a different time. They want to visit. And the other reason they don't like to use time travel too much is because it's difficult to judge,

exactly when you're going to come out to the second life they like to do. Yeah. Well, that seems to be the case. And you have like Travis Walton dropped off near where he was picked up, but not, it's usually not like very precise. And there's sort of missing time involved.

Yeah. And Dr. in Travis Walton's case, Dr. Lerethon, thinks he was dead and they brought him back to life. Well, why does Roger Lerethon think that? Because a lot of the people I talked to you on this show, whistleblowers, intelligence insiders, people who've worked on classified programs.

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Travis was thrown like 20 feet by either a weapon or getting a shock from the electric field around the craft. And he wasn't moving when it was flying through the air or when he landed on the ground and all the people in his laundry crew called he was dead. That is definitely true. Didn't any of these beings tell you why they were doing what they were doing.

“Did they give you any sort of senses to why they would implant your toe of all places?”

It was a medical monitoring device. My understanding to her monitor things like blood sugar and body temperature and things like don't. Why why you is it just like this thing that it's like if we go to the zoo we tag the animals sort of thing or what he would eat. It's kind of like that except that it's they do this to only blood lines that are interested in. And they have an MO where they they genetically they abduct pregnant women from blood lines are interested in and genetically modify the fetus.

What determines which blood lines they might be interested in. I'm not sure that would be a close to yard and secret on their side but mainly they're interested in in dramatic Celtic and Native American people. There are exceptions but they're looking for some sort of genetic combination that those particular races have in more abundance.

I always I feel like with experiences I'm always like I should have asked that one more thing about like what the what the being said was there anything else you can recall.

But but but they're telling me yeah I think I'm old you well the part about them. Being a lion of seven different races coming from planets within the hundred light year of year.

“I remember that pretty distinct oh and they also told me that the earth is a very important planet to a lot of races and that's planets that have some life for pretty common.”

But planets that are teeming with life like this are are not common at all. In case of there's like four or five like at my galaxy. And so they want to preserve life on the planet and they are worried we're going to screw it up. Yeah that seems to be a common theme among experiences as far as what gets related. Oh and they told me that there's pyramids all over the galaxy or evidently power sources on sources of healing rather than teams.

You know it's funny you say this I feel like 20 years ago in conventional archaeological circles they would have said that that's totally quirky and now you have people like Christopher Dunn who's you know I don't know if you're familiar with this guy is like a former aerospace guy. You can come in out saying you know that it looks like the pyramid is some sort of power plant and now we actually have synthetic aperture radar scans underneath the pyramids where it looks like there might be these sort of coiling columns these these hollow tubes that go down possibly kilometer deep.

“So you have increasing speculation we know that there have never been any teams found in these structures.”

And we were just talking earlier that below Dan Dira you actually have hieroglyphics that translate to stargate the Egyptians talk about stockites. Do they go to where is it.

Dan Dera there's actually a couple places the literal translation you can read it on the walls always show people when we go there.

It is there are two or three depictions of stockites that is the little translation for we know they're actually little chambers where a human could probably lie in and and you know some of these. Some of these adding in the great pyramid. Yeah, that that that. So our confidence they called it in the Queen's chamber is probably healing device. Yeah, I have a theory where gravity is not a a pulling for us, but a pushing for us.

So it's if you're accelerating through space you experience inertia of if space is accelerating towards you you experience gravity. And zero point energy is turned into real energy and the chorus of planets and stars and that creates a partial vacuum in the ether that that causes the ether to accelerate towards the gravitating body and that creates gravity. So you I mean this is there's so many different threads I want to yeah it's like the you know the the movies stargate literally with Kurt Russell you know the air force actually consulted on that.

Yeah, and it's like that it's this portal or something and then it would explain the astronomical alignment. The idea that all the ancient civilizations thought that the souls actually the soul moved through a Ryan's belt which it seems you know aligned with. But there are some interesting questions I feel like I have to press on that arise from what you just said the ether. You know they say was disproved in the 1890s with the Michaelson Morley experiment. It wasn't it wasn't this preview of even Einstein said in this later lectures that there could be an ether although it would have to be multi-dimensional and have.

Strange properties well that's that's that's the case I mean the ether.

“I believe they told me this too but other people have come up with this theory that that the ether is composed of tiny particles that are on the order of the plank mass and the plank dimensions.”

There's I tend to the 20th times smaller than anatomic nucleus and they they have a magnetic and electric dipole moment and interact with each other much more strongly than interact with ordinary matter and. Matter going through it without accelerating does not experience a forest because it actually super fluid but when it's accelerating there's that there's an electromagnetic drag force that they call the people that people that. I believe in the story called the Rindler flux. Which causes inertia and.

You can actually derive the second law by assuming a spatial structure of that nature.

Interesting yeah well who's to like develop this theory. You know you're right that later Einstein said general relativity is not actually incompatible with the ether.

You know the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Yeah and so we we just don't know you know but I do think. Yeah that's this kind of hotly debated contested thing so it's a very interesting theory but. The Michael, like some more the experiment the ether is probably being dragged by the instrument itself. That might account for the results of no observable.

“Uh, ether movement but there was another guy then milk and I believe his name was.”

That actually did come up with some positive results for each motion through the ether. That's interesting. I didn't even know that about Rob. Rob Milliken was at Caltech and at Townsend Brown actually studied under him and then they kind of got into it because. That's just a Milliken didn't really believe in brown stuff. Ironically brown believed what you said which is that gravity's more of a push than a pull.

And so you're saying because Milliken did a lot of the experimental proving of the Einstein's photo electric effect from 1905. Yeah but I didn't know that he had something to do with the ether and detecting the ether that's fascinating. Yeah, yeah he said he detected it and he was a pretty high powered physicist. Really. Yeah.

Oh wow. I didn't detect it directly but he detected Earth's motions for sure. Sure. By an experiment on Mount Wilson I believe it was. Wow fascinating.

Well I have to look into that. You know it's interesting.

We take so many things for granted that we've never detected like dark matter.

Yeah. But the ether is like completely like we're not allowed to talk about. It's like a dirty word or something. Yeah I don't think I believe in dark matter after 50 years of experimentation. There's no evidence for it at all.

And you don't you don't really even need dark matter to explain the results. The reason they postulated dark matter in the first place is because the of the motion of the galaxies. They behave as though there's either gravity is acting as an inverse linear for us at those distances. Or there's a halo of massive matter above and below the galaxy. Well.

The. Apostle I didn't make gravity an inverse linear force at those distances is actually a simpler explanation. And then monsoiding some unknown form of matter. Yeah I think you're right because dark I would bet against dark matter in dark energy. The dark energy is not one of the four fundamental forces.

It's this sort of you know just. I think dark energy is a zero point energy.

“Mmm that's what causing the earth are the universe to expand more rapidly rather than it's supposed to be slowing down according to Einstein.”

But. Dark energy aka. A zero point energy is causing me expansion to accelerate. Fascinating quantum vacuum fluctuations. Right.

Yeah I mean okay we can have a whole other discussion on physics. I want to stick with that so you you experience this kind of profound thing. You end up with this you know um implant in your toe. So you don't know what's happened at that point because you haven't gotten a hypnotic regression is that point. Yeah I didn't know.

I didn't remember what happened. I just I woke up and I knew that I had an implant in my toe. The aliens had been there in the middle of the night. And I had one one more on the side of my head too. Really you had my my head kind of hurt right there.

Whoa. And that shows up in a stud funder. Okay wow. And then you get in touch with Roger Leer. Yeah.

And you email him. Um I just went to his office. Okay. You just showed out his made an appointment and and one over there. And um told him I had a possible foreign object in my toe.

And in the middle of the appointment I told him that it was a it was a. It was a possible alien implant or an abduction related. I don't see me.

I don't think he believed me at first.

But um he gave me a prescription to you to act right. And um he he said to give a copy of the film of the patient and I definitely saw something on the x-ray and that was wild. That is extremely wild. What did it look like?

Well I could tell people too that there's a heck of a difference between. Um strongly suspecting that something like this is going on with you, which I had for years. And knowing for sure. And pre-flight that you know for sure. Yeah.

Um but it looked like it looked like a piece of a bent piece of wire on on the x-ray. And it was um it was a larger of in real life. And we took it out and it looked on the x-ray. Wild. Okay.

So you see this x-ray and then do you have a hypnotic regression? Yeah.

“And you remember the full experience with these alien beings?”

Yeah. Pretty much. And it's largely at that point kind of bought into the x-ray terrestrial or other entity. Non-human hypothesis. Oh yeah.

Oh yeah. He was excited. He wanted to come over and check out my house. And we found all kinds of anomalies.

Leaves.

And the trunk of the avocado tree had become magnetized.

And in the kitchen, stainless steel knives had become magnetized and wood of the cabinet. It's all kind of stuff. Wood seems to be very susceptible to magnetization by alien equipment. Interesting.

“I think it's not normally it wouldn't be it.”

Right. Yeah. It's either a magnetic monopole or magnetic fields beyond a certain strength. Leave a residue. Mmm.

Magnetic monopoles make a certain amount of sound. So it would be it would be ether that had a magnetic charge to it that would be absorbed into the material.

And it seems to decay away over a period of several weeks.

Hmm. And how many implants did Roger Lear remove? Here moved a total of about 17 from 17 different people. Wow. And how many have you removed?

I haven't removed any. I don't know. Okay. I don't know. Okay.

But you sort of look into this. I attended the last three or removal surgeries including my own. Okay. Yeah. And how many have you seen?

Like for Stan. I've seen probably six or seven. Wow. And does any of part of you or does any part of, you know, from your conversations with Roger Lear think that this could have been human attack?

No. Most of them did not look like human attack at all to us. No reason to believe that the materials came from not only from space, but from other part of our galaxy. But we did find or he did find one or two that looked like human attack that looked like just standard microchips. Well.

And so that's sort of crazy territory to kind of operate in or think about.

“So you think there are maybe a couple that represent, I mean, what would those microchips have come up with?”

Well, the government's experimenting with implants too, but they're much less sophisticated as someone's aliens used. Right. Yeah. And that would make sense. I mean, I mean, the government has had like sort of mind control programs. Oh, yeah. You know, I'm Kayla Triss sort of stuff.

Yeah. And they probably have used chips. Yeah. But these things are, they have isotope ratios that don't normally occur on earth that we cost millions of dollars to create in a centrifuge. Right.

Any other sort of abnormalities or anomalies? Well, I noticed that in three of the implants that had the isotopic abnormalities, the heavier isotopes in those elements were overrepresented. I talked to people who really did analyze this stuff from the real deal stuff and it's super weird. It's like heavy element, you know, European californium stuff. It's like in these atomic arrangements that make like no sense.

You know, this is through X rate of fraction where they can image the shadows of the atomic pairs and stuff.

“And it's like, why is all these crazy heavy elements in this like weird ceramic metal whole structure?”

And it doesn't, we don't understand the emergent metimaterial property. So it's either, either, they come from closer to the center of the galaxy where there's heavier supernova.

So always heavy elements are created in supernova explosions where there's a massive cascade of neutrons and one part of the explosion.

And rapid neutron capture creates these elements heavier than iron. And so it's either that or the elements had been exposed to a massive quantity of neutrons. Either way, it's very strange and most likely way beyond human technology. Yeah, then a lot of neutrons would be outside the Van Allen radiation belt or something, you know, you know, a lot of. We're in a reactor or is there a point energy, uh, uh, energy generated?

Also, the, the no immune reaction. It's like, you think of Elon Musk as a tip of the spear with technology. And, you know, he had all these issues with the, you know, electric implants in people's brains where there would be immune reactions. Even to this day, I believe Nolan Arbaugh, the first patient, I think might need some, like, tweaking after, like, the first thing worked because of this sort of immune reaction issue. Oh, yeah, Doctor, they're telling me that, um, any foreign object in the body produces the immune reaction.

Silicon produces the least immune reaction of all substances known, but even that produces a fair amount. Um, as a lot of women that got silicone brushed implants to testify, but, um, these produced none whatsoever. It's just very beyond strange. Do you notice commonalities in behavioral patterns changing from some of these patients? Um, it's, I, I think there are some changes, but it's, they're hard to, to notice.

I know that when I had, uh, my toe implant, it was like, very subtle, but it was like, uh, there was some sort of a, of a governor put in my thoughts.

It's, but it was very subtle.

Wow.

“And, um, people were telling me that I, I didn't look well, and I had a great complexion or something when I had the implant.”

Really? Yeah. So it affected you in sort of a negative way. Apparently, yeah. Why do you think, uh, it's so strange. I, ideally, you know, the alien, the attacker, whatever would, you know, be.

So, so, you know, if it's not creating a mean reaction, it wouldn't, you know, suppress your thoughts and any sort of negative way. Well, maybe that, maybe that, well, they told me about it being a monitoring device with just a cover story. Maybe they were trying to produce some changes or something. Hmm. Fascinating.

But, um, they, um, They definitely, um, were hesitant to put it in because they knew it's certain investigation. And, uh, I, I, I, I suspected that I was experienced for a year that had missing time experiences and had, uh, no other way to account for them. But, um, it's kind of easier to be easy to be in denial if you don't have any real concrete proof. So, wild conversation for me, because you seem like a very smart guy, and then a lot of these things are just so, so out there.

Did, um, I, I, I would name it in our tent, I'm a scientist, I would name it in our tent a lot of stuff. I did not approve. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now it's, uh, you're, you're backing up all your claims.

So, it's, it's really amazing.

“Um, Dr. Roger Leard, did you find him to be, you know, fully kind of bought into the kind of non-human hypothesis of the origin?”

Oh, yeah, he was fully, uh, fully bought into the, um, uh, extraterrestrial hypothesis. And he, uh, is 17 or 18 implants that he removed? 17. 17. 17.

And, um, and he had no background in this. He was just a podiatrist. And yeah, he thought it was ridiculous at first, too. But, um, did he stumble upon a, like, there was one of his patients or something. Well, I went to, he went to, um, uh, a convention on the UFO Congress.

And, um, he met, uh, Darrell Sims there, who was, um, the original guy on the implants. And, um, uh, he tried to convince Dr. Leard that it was worth looking into. And Dr. Leard said, uh, you're full of, you're full of it, and everything. And, uh, another friend of Dr. Leard's, uh, convinced him to go take another look. And he, he went back and told Sims that, um, you know, if you can get some patients out here that have these things.

Um, I'll x-ray them and take the object out of it there and we'll find out what it is.

“Did Leard ever try to write an academic paper on any of this stuff?”

Yeah, he, he and I tried to write a paper and we tried to publish it in the journal of scientific exploration. And, um, they, um, first they, first they said they were excited to have it. Then I think somebody got to them and they said that, um, it was ridiculous. They didn't want to publish it. And, um, we weren't even saying it was alien. We just said it wasn't an object recovered from, from somebody's, uh, somebody's like.

And, um, they, um, they really, uh, he was hard time about it. And, um, I, um, I'm pretty sure that somebody told him not to publish it. That's so crazy. It's like, yeah, because it's funny. You can go on chat GPT and they say Roger Leard has no academically, you know, uh, peer-revealed papers or whatever. It's like you try the object. We did try it.

And it's, it's funny. I think you always have to sanitize the results and just say, no, we found something anomalous.

Like we don't, we don't, we're not even jumping to conclusions, but even then sometimes there's this sort of antibody rejection of a lot of these findings. There's a friend of mine, Beatrice Viori Al, she's an astronomer from Stockholm University, um, and she's a PhD out there. And she, uh, basically from the, the Palomar Observatory, uh, which was, you know, one of the most prominent, uh, you know, observatories and use in the, in the 40s and 50s. Uh, she noticed all sorts of, uh, these, what look like essentially UFO like objects, these, these light reflecting objects that look like kind of mirrors in orbit.

In orbit. Yeah, yeah. And GEO. Yeah, they, they recruited a Clyde Tomba that's never uploaded, that's to get those two. So that's fascinating.

So there's a history of looking into these GEO synchronous, uh, objects that seem to exist in the, the, the, the tens of thousands. And he wrote, he wrote an article, Tomba wrote an article, uh, saying that Earth had, um, some, uh, smaller moons orbiting it about five hundred miles up. And, um, I know for my own experiences that that, uh, gray mother ships orbited about that altitude. There's the smaller UFOs that actually go out and sortie the, uh, black people and such. So fascinating, because the other, the other thing is, you know, I go back to work on the moon landing stuff where, uh, if I'm,

if I'm debating with the skeptic on the moon landing, it's like, I'm, I'm extremely open to us having actually landed on the moon. But there's some things off about the whole story. Something is off. Well, they're, they're concealing a lot of, there's a lot up there that don't want people to see.

Yeah, and, um, interesting, uh, that you should mention the moon stuff. Um, I found out, um, that, um, Apollo 13 may not have failed by a mechanical problem. It may have been, uh, by the aliens who didn't, they may have had a nuclear war ahead on board. What? Yeah.

How did you find that out? Well, I, I, I, I can't prove it, but it was the next logical step in their seismic program where, um, Apollo 11 put a seismic ref on the moon. Yep. And sort of Apollo 12 and it running like a bell.

On Apollo 12, they crashed the, uh, set a stage of lunar module into the moon and it ran like a bell for hours. Mm-hmm.

Then, um, uh, on Apollo 13, when they were approaching the moon, they crashed the third stage of the Saturn 5 into the moon.

And made a bigger bang and it ran like a bell for even longer. And, um, so, if Apollo 13 landed on the moon, they would have had three seismic refs. And we're able to probably map the interior of the moon a little bit, um, uh, with the seismic waves that would be generated by another event. And the, the next logical step would have been to, um, put a remote detonated, uh, small nuclear device on the moon and detonated after the astronauts leave. Jesus.

Yeah. So, but you, you're just hypothesizing that you have no evidence that I have, I have no real evidence, but one thing that made me really suspicious that this might be true is that, um,

“I remember when I was a kid, uh, following this mission and, um, uh, when the lunar module was coming back to Earth, the, uh,”

the atomic energy commission was just going eight over this. And, uh, they wanted the lunar module, um, uh, put on a trajectory that would put it into a deep ocean trench. And their level of concern was, they, they said it was because of the, they're, they're radioized to thermal electric generator on the board, but they're, their level of concern was a lot more consistent with it being a warhead. Whoa.

That's fascinating.

So, they were that freaked out.

Yeah. Yeah. Even though it might endanger the astronauts' lives, I do that. They wanted that thing crashed into a deep ocean trench. Hmm.

They've had, uh, RGGs on spacecraft before that of re-entered, but they weren't that concerned about. Hmm. Um, it's really interesting. Yeah. It's funny.

You know, there's, uh, actually an Air Force project that's documented called Project A119. And it was literally to nuke the moon as a show for us against the Soviets and Carl Sagan actually had a temporary clearance. Yeah. So look to, to look into doing this. So we know that in the late 50s, obviously before the Saturn Apollo projects, that this was being considered.

Hmm. So who knows. I mean, you might be right, man. It's really interesting. Well, I know that if, um, if there were no aliens on the moon or anything else that's not to worry about,

they'd be raised on the moon by the way, and they told us not to come back without permission anyway.

“And that's, you think they said, don't come back without permission?”

Yeah. Well, I'm, I'm strong. We've overheard that a party is saying that. Really? Yeah.

What party? Uh, some party in Washington, D.C. with big ways and several people said that, that he said that, but. And he said that the grace said that that's here, say it. But the grace said don't come back until we give you permission. Something with that effect.

Any other details there? Um, oh, well, um, some people had asked some whistleblowers that NASA said that. Um, that he was on a private channel after landing on the moon. Um, and, um, said that, uh, the space craft landed on the moon right after they did a few miles away and we're watching him. And, um, it was probably the same one that they said they saw follow him.

Uh, the whole, uh, Apollo 11 crew, um, set a few years ago on television that, um, that there was some object following him to the moon. They thought it was the third stage of their other booster at first.

But NASA confirmed that it, that, that the booster was like seven million miles away.

And it's this object was maybe only about five or ten miles around them. Jesus Christ. And you have, you definitely have documented audio from the Gemini missions. Um, them free. And then there's a literally like they're freaking out about, um, UFOs. There's an outage, you know, showing some sort of electromagnetic anomaly present.

And then in the, uh, they have this book actually, the Simpkinson, uh, textbook that shout out to my buddy Chris Ramsey from the She Great Show area 52. He, uh, made me aware of this book where this UFO is like airbrushed into the photo for the Gemini 11 mission. Where it's this like kind of tongue-in-cheek joke if you're, you know, this is official NASA archivist airbrushed this UFO, which looks like the best UFO photo ever. Well, the astronaut is to admit to it, uh, long ago before the security was that tight.

“And, um, um, I think they were seeing these things, uh, almost every mission in the early days.”

So wild. How many people do you think are walking around with alien implants inside of them? Well, the people that they implant, they, they've, they've abducted about 3% of the American population.

It's probably between 3 and 5% to take samples. What is he basing that off of? Is this like sort of, uh, census style like, Yeah, as an extrapolation is on research and extrapolation. Okay. And, um, uh, based on what I have seen, um, most, uh, most, the call class two experiences that are actually,

at the next level part of the alien program, um, heavy implants, but the, the first class where they just take samples from, do not generally. And, um, about, um, I would say very roughly about 1,000, and a thousand people are class two experiences in this, in this country.

And it's, it might be similar worldwide, I'm not sure.

Um, so if that's the case, then say there's 250 million people in the, um,

in the US, uh, that ought to be about, uh, 350,000 people. It's a lot of people walking around with implants. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's like 10 to 15 million for experiences of all, and then, you know, class two experiences you get the implants around a few hundred thousand. And a standard procedure for them to put a brain implant into class two

experiences that enable them to, um, access your sensory information to, uh, see what you're seeing and hear what you're hearing and probably hear what you're thinking in real time. So you're like an almost an avatar or something like there. Yeah, you're in this perceptual, like, drone for them or something. It turns you into walking bug, you know, and it connects you to the gray high of mine.

They told me that too. And, uh, all, all individuals in their society are connected to a high of mine. Kind of like the borrig on Star Trek, but they have a little bit more individuality than that. And, um, um, um, every experience they have is recorded. And, um, um, um, uh, they, um, so if, if all these people are implanted, um, then they, presumably only put, um, the brain implants into people that they can get some good information from.

So being that that's the case, they probably know everything that's going on in the society.

We have Eric Mitchell here who, um, we did an amazing show with yesterday.

And he's, you know, what you might call kind of a super-experience or you guys are friends.

“Hmm. You've found a few different implants in Eric. Is that, is that right?”

I don't remember what the results were off hand. Um, my records got stolen recently, but, um, I'd like to do the exam again, but yeah, I saw some indications of the implants in, and there are kind of, we found some diets on them recently, alien diets. We haven't talked about that yet. So before we get to the dies, the implants, what are, what are we calling indicators of implants? Um, well, I have a protocol at, um, uh, it's, uh, mostly Dr. Larry's protocolity that he, uh,

turned me on to, um, you, um, first, uh, inspect, uh, the patient was a, um, a stud finder, a small metal detector that attacks conductive objects into the skin, and concentrate on any, any areas of concern first, um, or they think they might have an implant from anything we remember, um, or any symptoms they might have had. And, um, if, if you record the areas where you get stud finder hits, then you over, uh,

uh, the person with a gals meter, uh, of sensitive, uh, magnetometer. And if you get, um, if you get an area that has a stud finder and a gals meter hit, um, that's almost certainly an implant, these implants, uh,

almost always have magnetic fields.

So have you had a stud finder and, uh, magnetometer, you know, this gas finder, uh, hit for Eric. I think we ought to, I think we ought to, I think we ought to.

“Hey, Eric, do you remember where exactly they detected one of these implants?”

Uh, back to my neck, um, my arm and Dr. Lear, uh, he thought maybe they might be one in my knee. It was like a week signal. So he sent me a hundred-down kneel in me and magnet, which, uh, I should've been very careful opening that box a little bit.

That was like, uh, you know, it was like a car too. And everybody's probably only dangerous. Yeah, it was dangerous, uh, but he wanted me to, uh, hold it to my name. They'd be ten minutes a day, you know, watching TV or something like that. Put it back in the bowl of rap.

Make sure it's safe and then pull it back to out the next night and keep doing that. And he didn't think that it would pull, uh, to the surface. He theorized that it would create like an eddy bubble and eddy effect to kind of loosen it from the tissue and bring, you know, to the surface, which actually worked.

And so do you have any, uh, like incisions or marks or, like,

“you know, he sort of raised skin where either of these implants are?”

Yeah. Okay. Have you ever moved anything? No. Okay.

I know two weeks before I was supposed to be able to doctor Roger there.

Um, yeah, the, um, the portals of entry with these implants.

So, um, heal incredibly fast. Um, mine heal within hours. So, well, you, um, yeah, you're not going to find anything when it's on.

“How many implants do you have, like, photo evidence of?”

Um, my sister's out of the milk. Could he send some of those ever to be cool to show them to the audience in post-production? Yeah. Sweet. Thank you.

And, um, yeah. So, what are you working on now? What is, what is, is it neutron, nano, star tech? Yeah, have a company called neutron star, uh, technologies. And, um, uh, neutron star nano technologies.

Uh, I guess been off of that. And, um, I've been, um, um, um, just, um, trying to get that funded. And, um, utilize some of the carbon nanotube. Knowledge I have to make, maybe produce some products.

And I've been doing scans on the experiences.

Cool. And, um, I've done probably 400 scans on, um, on people. And, uh, so of those 400 scans, how many produce a hit? Um, well, it's, it's a pre-selected audience. So, um, probably about a half.

About half. Wild. Yeah. Interesting. And at this point, are you sort of your known as, like, you know, Roger Lears, you know,

living apprentice and so people hit you up. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. So fascinating.

What, what, how old were you when you had your experience? Uh, I remember having experience at age five were, um,

“I think that's when they put the brain implant in, uh, where I remember, um,”

waking up, uh, before dawn and seeing a bright yellow, uh,

lit up the UFO, um, dissaped the UFO, hovering over my parents' house. And, um, then I watched it for a couple of minutes and blocked out. Then, uh, woke up about, uh, eight o'clock in the morning and some was up. Um, um, I, um, had blood all down the front of me and, uh,

had a vague memory of somebody putting something up, something up my nose. Jesus. And this was, so this is the age five. This is well before the toe experience. Yeah.

And where are you living at the time? Oxnard, California. Okay. What did your parents do? Um, got much.

They just, uh, so we had a nose bleeding. Nice. Wow. That mean, what did they do professionally? My dad was a dentist.

Um, and, um, was, uh, a colon on the armor reserve and, um, my mother was, uh, uh, uh, assistant at one point, uh, and, uh, bookkeeper at one point and was, uh, housewives for rest of the time. And they, they, they, they freak out when they saw you with blood running down. What, what was there reaction?

Not really. I mean, um, uh, my parents were, um, not to type the freak out about that sort of thing. Interesting. Um, that might be, uh, because of alien conditioning.

I, I, I, I, did they have their own experiences? Uh, my father admitted much later that, uh, he, uh, he, uh, dreams of being on board of UFO and incident. He said he saw UFO. Uh, one time over, um, central California.

Wow. A slender clothing UFO with a red light on the front. Do you, uh, as a, as a, um, current kernel and the reserves did he have any sort of affiliation with any possible of resengearing programs or like deeper spookier. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think so.

“But I think there's a lot of he was reluctant to tell me.”

And, um, he said he did call, um, the, um, uh, uh, military, uh, the nurse, military airfield to where we have the sighting and report to it. Yeah. It's fascinating.

And so, okay. So, wow. So, your five years old, you see this bright object. Do you remember vividly being on that craft? No, you don't.

Okay. So you just, I think we came down into my room to put it down that time. And you had, and you, where is the implant? It's, it was, it's, it's in the brain. It's in the brain.

It's in the brain. And you still have it there? I'm prepared to. Wild. And, um, I've got one above each year, apparently, um,

I wasn't sure about those, I saw them on X-ray barely, but they're really, really small. What? And, but they start giving off. They started giving off radio signals during a Japanese TV show.

I was, I was filming. Oh, my God. Well, what were you doing over there now? What were you doing on Japanese TV? Um, they wanted to interview somebody with implants.

Well, and you see, you had, you, your five years old, and you have blood all over, and she, that's traumatic, man. That's like a tough, crazy thing to go through. Well, but, um, this experience is pretty traumatic for a lot of people. Yeah.

Um, it's like there's certain advantages to it.

I mean, a lot of these abductions are take place on regular ships in orbit. Yeah. And, um, I remember, I remember seeing the earth from space, uh, being up there and, um, but, um,

“you have to take the, the bad with the good.”

I mean, I, I, I tell people, um, this, but these people are way too powerful to fight.

Yeah. Then there are experts at mine control. They can make you do anything you want, and then we want you to do willingly. Of this, that's a, I don't even know how to answer to, to talk about that. In the, in the 200 out of the 400 that you personally found implants in, um,

do these people have usually UFO experiences associated with the implants, or in certain cases, are, is it like people coming into their room sort of then? Uh, they usually remember, um, seeing UFOs and the horror, remember being on onboard UFOs, but, um, it's both, I mean, sometimes they come into your room and, uh, do whatever they need to do.

And other times, um, they come and get you and take you up the orbit.

Um, if they want to do anything special or whatever.

Do you think at any point in time, some of the mine control stuff we discussed earlier, uh, uh, was, like, aliens were used to sort of some sort of smoke screen for that. Like it was like, uh, there's a book called, uh, controllers by a guy named Martin Cannon. And he talks about M.K. Ultra, but then the air M.K. and how their implants involved in some of these things and how they would shade people's experiences

to make them think that they were alien. And to be honest, it's kind of a slim, poorly researched book that doesn't,

“for me explain everything neatly at all, but, uh, yeah, what's your, what's your take?”

I think that that may occur. I think that M.K. Ultra might, might do that sometimes, but I think that the vast majority of the, um, experiences people have are, uh, more or less what happened, and really are aliens. Um, I, I have no doubt in my mind that the aliens are here and they exist. And there's more than one species involved.

Yeah, I mean, there's so many cases that I also encounter where I'm like, you can't just can't explain that with, with, you know, human project. I do find it interesting. You were at, you were at UCLA in the 80s. You know who is head of the, uh, UCLA psychiatry department at that time. Are you aware? Um, I probably was, but it's kind of jolly west.

Did you ever interact with him at all? Oh, no. He was like, uh, head hauncho in the M.K. Ultra stuff. Wow. Yeah. I'm not surprised. Um, I did use to work at the UCLA and Air Psychiatric Institute, uh, because the researcher for about five years. Okay. Okay. I, I, he probably had authority over that, uh, branch of it.

He might have, yeah, I don't know, but definitely a spooky, not great guy.

“I think he got in trouble for, like, dosing up an elephant with ridiculous amount of”

LSD and then the elephant died and he's on record. Uh, there are letters between him and Sydney Gottlieb and he. There's a great book called Chaos by guy named Tom O'Neill. He's become a friend of mine.

And he basically has this hypothesis that Charles Manson was this M.K. Ultra patient.

It's a really crazy, you may have been. I think that, um, that's that guy that, um, shot, um, um, John Lennon was, uh, Yeah, I'm K. Yeah. Yeah, Ultra guy and I think, I think Surian Surian, the shot Robert Kennedy was too. I think so as well. Yeah. Yeah. So that's this, it's a weird threat. But, so there's that stuff.

And then, do you think, what do you think these, the, the implants are doing, what it comes to the alien, you think it's just, it's just tagging. It's biometrics and, and then maybe there's some mind control stuff going on. I'm perceptual hacking. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know all the details of what they do.

Um, they keep that, the aliens keep that mostly secret. But I think some of them are medical monitoring devices. Some of them are tracking devices. And, uh, some are, um, the brain implants actually enable them to, uh, hear and see what you're hearing and see in real time.

Do, um, any of the structure that you've investigated, um, kind of allow you to see what the functionality might be. Like, because you're, you're looking into, you know, nano technology. So presumably this would use nano technology. They do. Yeah. They're sophisticated nano technological devices.

Most of them have carbon nanotubile electronics built into the metal, and that's beyond our technology. Hmm. Um, and there's strange structures. I can show you some of the electron micrographs, uh, please.

And, um, there's very strange structures that, um, would be beyond our technology to farm right now. I'm not sure what they do, but I suspected of something to do with, uh,

Uh, of a lot of these people you encounter, um,

is it usually graze?

“Is it sometimes Nordics or reptilians or some of these other sort of archetypes?”

Um, I remember seeing, um, mostly, uh, different types of graze, um, onboard, uh, onboard the craft, uh, the real short worker type braze and the, the ones about four and a half feet tall, and I call the scientists engineer types.

And, um, uh, I have a hand, or that's one of those. I think most, uh, most class two experiences have a handler. What's it, what do you mean when you say handler, what does that mean? Uh, a contact person that is in charge of your case onboard ship. Well, uh, so a being.

Yeah, being, uh, and how do you, like, are you still telepathically in touch with that handler or something? Uh, I have reason to believe I am, you know, I think he's here in here in this old conversation right now. Well, um, what's up, handler?

And, uh, uh, they record, um, everything that, uh, experience by every member of their society, and that includes class two experiences. Uh, when you get the brain implant, it can actually be really high at mine, like I said.

This is wild. Does it, does any part of you think that humans discovered, you know, there's this, I think in them, really, 2000s, there was this concern of the, like, runaway, gray goo, nano tech, you know,

scenarios, and nano tech was all the rage. In the early 2000s, and then it sort of, like, went away. And there's any part of you think that humans can do any of this stuff, like in deep black context. I think that nano technologies,

not that dangerous as long as you don't design some, uh, some micro probe that's sulfur-applicating. Um, yeah, but um, yeah, that was the gray goo scenario. Even if you did, I'm not sure it would be all that dangerous, but, um, I think what is dangerous is AI.

If they ever do develop true sulfur- where AI, I think that would be extraordinarily dangerous. Yeah, it seems like.

“The aliens don't believe in it, so I think that's why.”

Yeah, they believe in computers, but they're controlled by, um, by minds. Do you think there are good and bad factions of aliens? Or do you think they're all good or all bad? No, I think there's good and bad factions.

Um, the beings that implanted you. Can't get your bad. Hmm, they're mainly out for themselves, um, but they're not, they're not scum sucking evil either. I mean, they, they, they want, um, humanity to mature into a peaceful,

more peaceful species and become members of the galactic, uh, federation or whatever you want to call it. And, but they're mostly here to, um, mine the Earth and the Moon and collect biological samples. I mean, that, that seems reasonable and not bad.

Um, What do you think of modern distance? But they don't, they don't care about the suffering they inflict on people. That's, that's one bad thing about them. Hmm. Um, that they, everything is for the group with them.

They're, they're collective mind. Um, they don't care about individuals. They, they just care about what, that's for the group. Why do you think they care so much about nuclear? They seem to show up.

Some of my favorite interviews have been these guys that are often in their 70s and 80s at this point. They've worked at nuclear bases all over the U.S. And in certain cases, they board crafts. They have implants. You know, they're closing counters of the third kind.

And I guess what you're calling kind of type two, you know, abductions or something. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, a lot of, a lot of, a lot of top military people are implanted. And it keeps the aliens keep tabs on them.

“But, um, I think they don't want us having the experience because, um,”

it makes us super powerful.

Be it, um, it has great potential to screw up the planet and screw up a lot of their plans for this place. And see, um, it, uh, can damage the planet's life force. I've, I've, I've reasonably, there's structures in the ether that, um, contribute to life on this planet somehow and a nuclear blast could disrupt that, at least in the general area where we're recedinated.

And they, they said that also that it, it screws up their communications and, uh, leads to. Problems and other dimensions that they didn't want to go into. Yeah. No, that, that is interesting about like, they seem to show up at nuclear disaster.

Like, there's this literally, literally, this monk at this Shinto Temple in Fukushima. And when they had their 2011 famous nuclear spell due to the earthquake, he was like, then the UFO showed up and cleaned up the temple. They were trying to believe it's radiation. Exactly.

Yeah. There's a Harvard PhD named Jensen and Dresen who writes about,

basically a similar experience in Chernobyl.

And they, they measured this like nuclear tower before and after. And so, I think it goes beyond just them not wanting us to blow ourselves up. There's something about the ambient electromagnetic radiation of just the earth

Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. And there's, um, maybe maybe the earth is actually admitting some of this, but there's structures in the earth that are life-giving.

And it might even resurrect some extinct species at some point in the time. And nuclear blast could disrupt that radiation in general, can disrupt that. And also the government's known for years, the early and the stuff we have this technology in the government's done for years, that you can actually effect the decay rate of radio isotopes by certain scalar electromagnetic waves.

Scalar waves are a special form of electromagnetic radiation that is a different structure. It's a more fundamental form of electromagnetic radiation than the transverse waves they talked about in the textbooks. And it interacts with the nuclei rather than the electrons and atoms like transverse waves do. Explain what a scalar wave is because scalar physics and scalar waves are often thrown around in these super-hand wavey waves. Right.

And yet they're often used as terms, you know, extended electric dynamics, scalar waves.

“By people who I really respect in kind of aerospace world, so what's your definition?”

They're trying to keep it secret. But enough has got out to know the basics. A doctor Tom Beardon talked about this a lot in his books if you've read in the US. And anyway, a scalar wave, a transverse wave, EM wave, is a wave that has the E and the B fields perpendicular to each other. And it moves in a manner perpendicular to both. And the E and the B fields are in phase.

In a scalar wave, the electromagnetic fields are 90 degrees out of phase. And the magnetic field curves around like that. And the electric field radiates as if it's coming from a positive, negative charge point. And it's like a sound wave in the east or basically. And they can travel faster than they're not restricted to the light speed.

So I've heard similar things to that. And then the two places I always get frustrated is I'm like, have we ever measured a scalar wave?

“And usually the answer, like, have we, do you think we have?”

I think they have a lot of times. How would we classify the labs? But I have reason to believe that I have done the experiments. Yeah, I'd love to get in the lab and do some. I sort of wanted some reason that I have reason to believe that you can generate scalar waves with standard radio equipment, but a different type of antenna.

You'd use a dome shaped antenna, a capacitive antenna with say a plastic dome with metal on both sides. And you connect the electrodes of the oscillator to each metal piece. Fascinating. Okay, and why do you think that that design would allow you to transmit scalar waves?

Tons and browns work, basically.

Yeah. Yeah, well, he had an asymmetric capacitor where the negative electrode was larger than the positive electrode.

“But I think basically my sense is that the main thing is big electric field differentials.”

If you create big electric field differentials, then you can somehow harness the quantum vacuum fluctuation stuff. Yeah, high voltage is a work better of course without that reason to believe. I wish I could, I wish I had some concrete proof for you, but just reading all this stuff that's available and thinking about it a lot and put this to the other. Yeah. But yeah, I think high voltage is a work better for that.

Yeah, it's very interesting. Yeah, I mean, high voltage is definitely correlate with high electric field strength and then their waves to amp up the electric field strength kind of artificially. Yeah, as well, but so fascinating. So, what do you try, how do we advance on this topic now? Is this, are we just in the Stone Age when we find these implants? Are we just like, you know, we think this works like XYZ, but we just have no idea what we're kind of looking at it. Well, I think the next step is we have to do more research on the implants.

Excuse me, well, they're still in the body and try to measure exactly how much they're transmitting. And try to decode some of the signals. And after that removed from the body, I think we need to, we need to try to connect the, there's carbon nanotube bundles that are at the main connections to the device. We should try stimulating those with, with different voltages and see what happens under electron microscope or under microscopy in general. I wouldn't have to be a EM for that, I guess.

Is there anybody else systematically looking into this besides you?

No, and the third thing I would do is use fast atom bombardment to shave off the devices layer by layer and map the distribution of elements in each layer and the distribution of carbon nanotubes.

They look like they're grown somehow.

“That's so wild. Like they're like they're biological themselves or something.”

They look like they were grown by some sort of mechanical life like the transformers on the movies.

That's a hand-waving thing, I guess, but that's the best I can do right now.

But putting that, putting a device like that, so complex together by standard methods would be next to impossible or something.

“Everything I wanted to say is that when I first got into this, I thought the aliens are probably only a few hundred years in advance of us technologically, but now I think that it might be more like a million years in advance of us.”

Well, they show off once in a while and show experiences like we have far ahead of us. They really are.

Well, what incident that really impressed me was that they zap my car with some kind of energy weapon when I was going to Dr. Lewis office to film him, testing the implant will still in the body and the mechanics that later that the computer in the car was fried like it was supposed to EMP or something. And so I had to walk like they did it when I was in this cannon didn't even need a cell phone reception, so I had to walk by two miles down the cannon to get cell phone reception and call him and he in the film crew showed up and picked me up and brought me to the office.

Well, when we got to the office, you go see if you come here, you got to see this and he pulled my extra out of a stack of X-rays and it was in a stack with about 200 other X-rays and he showed it to me and the lettering from the outside of the envelope that the X-ray was in had somehow been transferred to the developed X-ray film.

“But yeah, I'm not even sure in theory how could do that. So that's like root access to reality levels of manipulation or something like that.”

Another time my son and I were driving to our old vacation place and bullhead city Arizona and we're on highway 40 at no remote area. And I saw this this bright white light hovering over this valley about 5 or 10 miles away and it was really bright and I go hey look there there's a UFO and he goes what I don't see anything. And like how could you not see that it's like his brightest meanness and so I was tripping out on that and go well you know and and then a few miles down the road he started seeing ones that I couldn't see.

It's like they can control who sees them and who doesn't how they do that either. Not only signature management but like unique signature management for the person perceiving. Yeah, I have some some theories about how they might manage to cloak themselves in general by various methods, but what do you think it is selective selective seeing like that sounds a little hard to do. Do you think it's like the access to our brains and they have access to the signature management stuff. Do you think that we have reverse engineering programs and crash retrievals.

Oh yeah, that's all true. Yeah, do you have any what's your like you know highest conviction hardest evidence on that because you seem like an evidence space person. Well, I analyze some of the the records from the Santa Auguste and the Mexico UFO crash and analyzed a piece of an alien or a bersphere from that time in the song got a hold of. And was this the boogasphere or not the boogasphere of any other boogas that different different design but this one was about about this big round and had large.

The vaporized from the looks of it holds in the the dark and the south poles of the sphere. The edges of the holes have been damaged by tremendous heat and. A sign bought it from a farmer that formed about 100 miles south of the US border near Brownsville Texas on the east coast of Mexico.

Well, and if if there was a strong magnetic field around the craft, which or which I have reasonably there was. Then the collapse of the magnetic field is what released the energy that that didn't rise to metal at the top and bottom. Why do you think this whole topic it's like it attracts a few really smart people like yourself and then. You have so much circumstantial evidence like an abundance of circumstantial evidence and then. Somehow it's like the one smoking gun that we always want is slips through your fingers and I'm talking about this as a person who's deeply my revealed preference is that I'm like deeply interested in the stuff I think there's a there I'm not a skeptic.

But it's like this like it's always like the hard drive goes missing at the end the photo is too little too blurry for like the consensus to believe it's so frustrated.

“It depends what you consider a smoking gun and I think that these.”

Extremely skewed isotopic ratios might be considered a smoking gun and the fact that a lot of these these pieces are nanotechnology. Yes, beyond our technology and I've that sphere was a made of a titanium alloy that had carbon nanotubes also built into the metal which I think provided thrust by. The the my field brown effect it did yeah and I think so I mean I don't know what else could have made it fly. Do you have this thing. Um.

And not anymore I got stolen yeah stolen yeah who stole it. My family if you believe that oh man I'm sorry yeah that's horrible man.

Why they they took it yeah I still do have some other really in stuff but.

Um but yeah I can't find it anymore and I've recently believed it was what ins and stuff that they stole. Jesus Christ man I'm so sorry that's messed up it's not cool. No. Do you have is it how does your family view I mean you're your wife is here she's absolutely lovely and I can tell she's interested in this topic. Do you have other family and what do they think of your interest in all this stuff.

Well my wife is a Christian fundamentalist or says she is because of her family's. Conviction and she's they convince my kids that that I'm of the devil or something along those lines Jesus. I'm sorry and my mother is kind of unstable and also so I kind of turned my kids against me as well. She's she's afraid I'll embarrass her by going on on the air putting stuff on the internet seems like that.

“Well I'm sorry Dan I think your brain is a gift to humanity so.”

And so we don't know where this object is that was taken from you. But no I don't know. Oh damn that's crazy and then what about the the piece from Saint Augustine crash and you might. I still have I still have some of that. That's fascinating and have you done you've done isotopic analysis on that and that has isotope ratios.

That are weird or just topic ratios on on that. We're not that remarkable. So that material may have may have come from or it's it may have some manufacturing facilities on earth too. What material is it like what element. Spin the aluminum okay the spirit was a titanium alloy that with carbon and he was built into the metal and.

Small a coke millimeter boys introducing the metal to lower the density so it had tremendous strength. And it was stronger than most any titanium alloy I know of. But it was about the same density as aluminum and when you say buy field Brad and you're just assuming that that's the anti gravitational force. You could make capacitors out of the. Okay carbon nanotubes a carbon nanotubes had a capacitive dielectric coating on them in this case.

So it seems a reasonable assumption. So interesting and you could use that spherical shape. As a receiver for scale or energy Tesla was trying to do that. To power flying vehicles. Did he have designs for flying.

“Yeah, I know he actually actually I think he actually flew some really.”

But remember how's it really. Yeah. And where are those room? I didn't know about that to me. There's a book called Lost Science I believe it's in there.

It's hard to get a hold of now. Do you have any footage of the implant being taken out of any of these patients? I'm not sure if I'm I may have like one or two of pieces like that. I definitely have a lot of photos and stuff like that.

It'd be amazing to show as much as we can just because I think the average person this is so far out.

Yeah. And the government's done their best to punish people that believe in this in various ways. Yeah. I feel like I have to ask this question, but I feel like it's important for you. Because you've seen like a very lovely person.

I've really enjoyed this conversation. If you Google your name for whatever reason this OKC bombing thing shows up. And so I just want to give you an opportunity to address what that is. A massive car bomb exploded outside of a large federal building in downtown Oklahoma City. Shattering that building, killing children, killing federal employees, military men and civilians.

Oh, yeah, well, I got in trouble with the Fed's 30 years ago on a gun charge weapon charge. And I got investigated along with 14,000 other people that were into similar things at that time. And there's I can figure the ATF was trying to punish me for not cooperating in their investigation by trying to link me to that body. Oh, they were just trying to link you to that. Yeah.

And you never knew Timothy McVay or not.

And I read the proof of any of that. That's so weird. In fact, I found out from a guy that was writing a book on Oklahoma City that I was clearly early on in the investigation. But they kept on saying that on the news. That sucks, man.

“It almost makes me think there's some sort of campaign against you because like why is there so much online?”

That's why I think there is. I think they're trying. I think they're taking full advantage of that whole thing to try to describe it. So why do you have a research? Yeah.

And you never cross past with McVay at all. You never even met me. No, I'm not never not to do that. That's so crazy.

And he never used the LA connection or anything like that.

No, okay. That's weird, man. I'm sorry. Well, you know, if I wrote down everything that's occurred in my life in an autobiography, I don't think anybody believed it.

Yeah. But I experienced it. So. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, what's anything coming to mind?

Well, just all the stuff and, you know, first they tried to link me to the so-called homestay. And then the helium show up and yeah, just a very, you know, very odd series of events. Yeah. And is there is there anything about your.

“Is there anything about your father or his history that might be related?”

So he said at the end of his life, he sort of admitted that he was, you know, maybe, you know, was taken up on a craft. Do you think just doing any sort of covert work in any of these areas? I'm not sure. I don't think he was doing any covert work.

But he was, he was, he kept things pretty close to his chest. So, I think if he was, I'd be the last person who would have told. Interesting. Okay. Yeah, I don't know what would have even been going on at oxenard specifically.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's a, there's a military base there that near there, that was a pretty important long time point to go. Okay, point to go.

What did they do at point to go? Tested a lot of missiles. Okay. Submarine launch missiles on air air missiles, mostly. Okay.

Fascinating, man. Well, I really hope you get all the support for your work. You're trying to raise money for this, this company. Is that right? Yeah.

Yeah. The economy being so bad right now. I haven't had a whole lot of success. But I'm still hoping to get that off the ground. Hopefully this gets amplified among people with deep pockets who are interested.

“I think in supporting, you know, some of the most frontier science and work.”

Oh, very wealthy people have come forward a couple of times and wanted to support my work, but it fell through. And I had recently, even the time that the government told him not to do it. Really? Yeah.

Robert Bigelow is going to hire me for his company at one time too. Yeah. Well, why do you first range? What do you think it, you know, with Bigelow and a lot of these guys, it's like, there's this desire to get into this stuff and you really want to know.

And then things get like dark at a certain point. Like it's sort of, it's a very, and I find this, you know, with my own inquiries into the topic where like it's just, it's hard to navigate because there's a lot of weird stuff. You know, it's, there's a lot of, there's a lot of bad energy.

And then there's, there's just good energy too.

They're amazing people in this field.

But a lot of people are attracted to it for the wrong reasons. And there's, I think there's even like, like an old testament line about trying to use, trying to go into, you know, kind of sacred stuff using, with the commercial impulse. And that being like this really, you know, bad thing to do.

And like, the only thing that kind of works in the modern days,

like started to company around the thing. So I'm not like anti-all companies, you know, I used to invest in companies.

“So it's this weird, but it is this weird thing where I think if,”

if the motivation is to make money off the thing, it often goes south. And I don't know, no big load. I'd love to interview him, but my, my senses. It sort of didn't pan out maybe in the way he wanted it to. Dr. Larry told me that he started this aerospace company.

It is because he had an alien experience of his own out in the desert. And that they told him to meet them in space. Who said this? This is the alien's told him to meet them. They told big load of meet them in space. Wow, really.

Yeah. So big load had an experience.

And the alien said, well meet you in space. Right. And then from then on, he would like committed his life, essentially, to looking into all this stuff. You have a reverse engineering, hiring the alien, and playing it specialists, like really.

On the big load of aerospace website, there was a little alien head to, kind of, like he was announcing that. That is absolutely wild. The amount of stories you hear like that, like,

“I think Agnew Bonson, who, he had it up the Institute for Field Physics,”

and, you know, at North Carolina Chapel Hill. And he also funded Townsend Brown. So he's working on all this crazy anti-gravity stuff, and hosting kind of the top gravity physicist. In the world, Freeman Dyson, Feynman, Peter Bergman,

all these guys convened John Wheeler at the Institute of Field Physics in 1957 for this Chapel Hill conference. And he and his diaries talks about, like, the space brothers talking to him, and possibly kind of prompting him to look into this stuff. Townsend Brown had similar experiences where he,

he had space brother experiences that he discusses. So it's like you're being prompted by the beings to look into what their, tech is or something. They, they, they, they, they talked to Tazla too, according to what, to his writing.

He said that. Yeah, and Colorado Springs, he said he communicated with aliens. Did you, um, ever have anything like that? I mean, I have to ask you because you're working on all this stuff. Did the beings ever say, Steve, you are going to dedicate your life to alien research?

I don't remember them saying that specifically,

but I've always had an obsession with, um, with, uh,

this kind of research and, um, certain other things.

“And, um, I think that they do that to a lot of people because, um,”

once you get obsessed with the topic and you do all this research on it, if they have a brain implant in you, then they know it too. It's not quite. So they're, they're going to need to do the research form. Yeah, it's like this weird distributed science model or something

where, you know, like, they just have their collecting intel through these different scientific nodes or something. It's so trippy. Yeah. Yeah.

And we're all, we're all, we're all, maybe their science experiment, who knows. Well, one of the obsessions, uh, part of the reason I got into the trouble before I was with, one of the obsessions was with weapons. And, um, I, you know, it's, I think that's, uh, kind of, uh,

characteristic with some, uh, some people that are, class-to-experienceers. There was one guy that was most likely a class-to-experienceer that, um, that, uh, had a bunch of guns on his house. And it was, uh, it was a big, to do over that.

So, um, maybe it's a characteristic, I don't know. Fascinating. Well, Steve, I really appreciate this. This is a lot of fun, uh, I feel like I could talk to you for hours. I could tell we're interested in a lot of the same stuff.

Yeah. And, um, yeah, I really, really appreciate your, your time. Yeah, and a problem with my pleasure. Awesome. [music playing]

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