Clarence Henderson: The Greensboro Sit-In That Helped Change America

And my parents got not a four-minute stay on campus, so I found out about it on the

“second day and how I found out about it was that young man, but a name of Egypt, but”

yeah, we inside on the first grid together, I went to college and so he came back to

auntie on the second February 1960, and I was supposed to be in class that I could plan because of the major that I did not like it, I showed it with one of my other friends, I showed them the major with the biology of chemistry, and so he asked me if I would participate and what one thing to land through my mind is that even consciously I subconsciously I thought about how I've been treated all my life, and I

knew that I was just like anybody else, so I'm citizen of the United States, but we can treat it differently, so I agreed to participate. Americans are capable of achieving extraordinary things when they have the freedom men-dopportunity to do so, this is American potential.

“Hey everyone, welcome to the American potential podcast. I'm your host, Dave. You know, if”

you're someone who's interested in history, you'll hopefully like this episode, because our guest today, not only talks about history and it's well-heaped in history, but he made his part of the 1960s civil rights. So before we get to him, I want to bring an engineer, Matt, talk about some of the cool historical places that he's been and being able to visit Matt. Tell me about, you know, I, like I said, I'm excited

to talk to Clarence about his participation history. Some of us haven't been as active in major historical events, but we've seen a lot of cool stuff. There are minds of our history as Americans. What's up the stuff, you've, oh well, for one, traveling with this show gets you out and seeing awesome historical stuff all the time. And we had some really cool opportunities too. Well, for example, we did

“go to Philadelphia. That was very historical and cool. And then I also, I, I might”

mention this once before on the show. I am a little bit of a World War II history buff. And I really enjoy visiting the battleship New Jersey. And they've got it as a museum now. It's, it's a really cool. I mean, one of the last great World War II battleships. That was neat. And then we got the film not too long ago at a World War II destroyer right in front of it on the period there. So that was cool. That was the USS Orlex. So

for me, those are, be in a little bit of a World War II history guy. Those are really fun for me. Now that's cool. I love, because there's so many different eras. I mean, that's

one of the fun things about enjoying history. I've always loved history. What got me involved

in interested in politics? I can't believe it. My kids don't love history. I'm like, oh, this documentary really is cool. We should go to this place. But, you know, for me, civil highlights, I've been to the Alamo down in San Antonio, which is kind of cool. I mean, the story of the Alamo school. It's certainly, like everyone always says, it's smaller than you realize. But it was pretty cool to be like, all right, this is the Alamo. Pretty

iconic. You know, a lot of states in Virginia, I've been to, you know, in Richmond, you know, seeing places like, you know, like the cat, the old state capital, the state capital in Virginia is pretty cool, because, you know, Jefferson designed it. You know, you can't, you want around Virginia to bump into places. I grew up near more town where George Washington

headquarters was, you know, Revolutionary War, and then, you recently were up in Boston,

you know, and saw where the Boston Tea Party was, and went to, uh, havern where the sun's a liberty were formed, and went to Cheers. Hmm. See, it's not quite the same. Maybe that went the same, but it's still good times. There's a little difference in the level of history between, you know, that the Tea Party and cheers, but I'll take it. Yeah. Well, our guest today has lived in a pretty amazing life and made a lot of, you know, made

a lot of history. You know, it's one thing to walk through a historical place and read the plaque or listen to a tour guide, but it's different when you get to hear the story from somebody who actually lived it. Today's guest didn't know he was going to make history, but just knew something needed to change. So one day, he did something that sounds simple, but back then, it could have gotten beaten, arrested, even worse. The simple act of sitting

and trying to get served at a lunch counter doesn't seem like a big thing. Now it is. But if you were black and in the south in the 1960s, it wasn't so simple. I want to welcome to the podcast, our guest for today, Clarence Henderson, who took part in the World War of Lunch Counter-Stit in Greensboro, North Carolina. Clarence, thank you so much for joining us. And a lie to be, well, I'm so excited to talk about your story. You know, we've,

Campaign. And it's just that people never always know like they take a step and they

can change history. America's history is, you know, replete with these examples of people who took a simple step and it led them down a path or led our nation down a path to change

“history. And I think here's just certainly one of those stories. So I can't wait for”

us to get into it. But before we start, I mean, you lived in North Carolina, talk about what it was like for your family for your family there and for you growing up in North Carolina. Well, David, if you remember, this was the era of time known at Jim Crow. So it was basically that we were one step above of slavery in that we would be in choice by the color of our skin rather than the content of your character. And we were more like subjects than

anything else. And so it all the time it takes a toll on you. And so it's good that I'm able to share with you today. So the people understand how it was then versus how it is now. So now your your family had been that they've been in North Carolina for a long time. I mean, how did it come to come to be there? I, yes, I was born in a new place called Townville, South Carolina. My father was a pivot farmer, which meant that he was working

for someone else who was a white guy. And that became best friend. Actually, my father named

“me after him. And I believe in the current intervention. And that I was called entered as”

rather than me having an idea that I'm going to be involved. So we moved to a Greensboro when I was about three or four years of age. I can remember kind of have my mother kicked caught in the cottonfield in South Carolina. So we moved here. It was five of us. And I'm on the left and I made a fan of that. So you grew up in, you're on your Greensboro. And yeah, just describe what it was like living in under Jim Crow condition. Well, what it was

that it was like, um, that was an expectation of where we were supposed to be as a people. Well, we're about that we had one set of law with us versus another set of laws for others in that and public facilities and certain public facilities that we needed to be separate. But that I've run over. My question has been, since I understood, if we equaled in why

“do they need to be separate? Because that's what Jim Crow said. And I can remember, while I was down the street in”

Queensborough, being called the inward, just going through various situations, not by, not caught by something that I did, but because I people perceive me as opposed to who I was. And, you know, how did, well, this is why I do a number of really young people and, and, and older people, like yourself, who challenge that system eventually. When you're growing up in that, how does that make you feel, uh, you know, emotional? Well, uh, one of the things that I met, uh, the street in my

memories I talked about these various things is that during the technical hours in the school,

I basically have been two worlds in that, uh, we first moved to the black neighborhood,

called in for a black neighborhood. And then, uh, when I went with the third grade, my father moved me, I don't know, moved us. I don't know how to meet you all with, uh, grades before we moved us, of near one of his causes, which was now UNCG. And, uh, I was in walking this of that place, so I, even though they had moved me at that school district, they still put us me back to the same school district where the, at the nightstand, all my inner traction was, uh, other black years,

and the nightstand, they were the black kids, but, uh, when I went home, because, uh, we didn't like going to call the sack, where it was full house where blacks lived, and, uh, surrounded my white

neighborhood, so I basically was living in an integrated neighborhood. And, uh, what happened was that

there were the kids that played with going at the time, or white kids that were going to my house, and I thought, I'm not, we have a huge yard and we played different sports football, basketball, baseball, the matter is that I built a gym and we put, I mean, I built a, uh, basketball court, we played there, and, uh, uh, the parents didn't know where the kids were, because, you know, at the time, uh, I'll just be home before dark. And so, uh, soon, that kind of

understood that there's, uh, uh, uh, a race that wouldn't, uh, a person not born in races, they aren't, uh, uh, uh, and darkenated into it. Mm-hm. I, uh, as a parent saw, saw us one way to keep, saw us as, uh, other kids, so I mean, so no, no child could have played with.

“So then, eventually, you, you went to college. I believe you were the first in your family,”

right? You got to college?

I really, really. First of all, the complete. Um, and then that led you to, when, you know,

you ended up sitting at the Woolworth counter, what kind of, how did you go from, like, getting to college to wanting to engage in that, and that kind of activism? What, what kind of brought you on that continuum to, to take that? It was, it was not my intention, uh, as an artifact, again, I believe it was a violent intervention because, uh, the four guys that admittedly started it, it was on February 1st, my penskin, not a four-minute stay on campus, so I found out about it

on the second day and how I found out about it was at a young man, but the name of EZR, but yeah,

“we decided on the first grade together, I went to college, so he came back to auntie on the”

second February 1960, and I was supposed to be in, um, in class, but I couldn't class because of the,

the, the, uh, uh, mage that had, had chosen, I did not like it. I chose the one of my other friends, I had chosen the major, which was biology of chemistry, and so he asked me if I were to participate and what, one thing that ran through my mage, and either consciously or subconsciously, I thought about how I've been treated all my life, and I knew that, um, I was just like anybody else, so, uh, I'll sit in the United States, but it was being treated differently, so, I agreed to, um,

participate. And, uh, what happened was that, uh, we walked from auntie's campus, uh, uh, uh, down the, uh, downtown Rangeborough, and EZR was a very talkative, a very talkative, first up, and, and says it, I don't understand, and on the, on the ticket time, we were going down to, uh, uh, warworth, he didn't say much about that same thing, because I've preceded, it's been a different because my parents, uh, my mother's good downtown Rangeborough, when I was growing up, and we went to warworth some

summertime, and uh, I saw, uh, things that were there, then that, uh, was still there, when we went in on that day, which was that, uh, that everything in war was the same, it was a public facilities, up, on downtown, as you had two bare-hung ones, then color ones, then white, two water found the ones, and color ones, and white, and I just looking to walk, but coming out of the, a lot of times, I wonder what the difference was, because they looked the same, and then when

you, when upstairs, they had a lunchtime where, uh, they served people with the lunch counter, except for us, we had the all-food food to go, because that set down, and the deer has been siding about it, it was white, and so they had the same amount of money for us, so they're all all the way up until, uh, that time ended that we, we're not able to sit nice kind of eat, and what the easier I used to carry out for me was that, he said, if they serve us, and I'll

pay for them here, because I didn't have it right, and he still owed me a meal, and so it was, when we walked into the warworth set day, it was different for me, and that did not, did not know how it was going to come out, but the any, uh, vertical position, and handcuffs going to jail, uh, any prone position going to the hospital, perhaps the more, and so it changed, I expected

“all the way, and that's why when I reason why I appreciate life so much right now, how precious”

it is. So, you're talking about the different ways you could leave warworth, you know, a prone, or in handcuffs or something, but, you know, what was going through your mind when you went to sit down, I mean, did, how fearful were you? Well, that's, that's a quick, I think that question all the time, and again, uh, I was prepared for it, and that, you know, when young men, my age at that time,

moving to a new neighborhood, the testosterone testosterone starts at kick-up in, and I was always

shouting, but the child is in that, just about third-day grown-in-school, or coming back at the fight, so I became pretty good at that physically, and now I can't be what I did in, but I, my spirit is just a strong, now as it was, and so that prepared me for that, so the short answer is no,

I mentioned a particular order, how long before you're confronted by the authority? Oh, uh, they came to that saying, "Hey, uh, one cop came in, he said,

he stood there, well, I don't know, fifteen hundred minutes, I made a third-finance,

just license, a little's happening, and so I didn't make any moves, uh, but I guess he did not know what to, what to do, because it was funnab by surprise. I don't know what the, the cop came on the first day or not, but uh, on that, they can't, he came in and eventually he grabbed that out. And so these sit-ins became a regular thing, like, how did the, how did the, how did the spread,

“what kind of impact you think it had on the civil rights movement?”

Well, uh, it was, uh, the strategy was, of course, the strategy with my strategy, but the strategy was that because all the works were the change store, hopefully was straight to the other store, then did all up and down the eastern coast as I'm southeast and coast of the United Factor, um, and in New York, a, uh, bit boycott a day, one of the, lunch kind of was a, was a, did a city, a, even though lunch kind of was, uh, was integrated. So, uh, that was, uh,

it just called on like that. And so, as far as, um, the cost was concerned, it was city,

the cost was about $200 million in that time. It should be, uh, work mega's right, uh, about this.

And so, actually, what changed it was, uh, monetary is about the money, uh, because such like,

“what Dr. King, you know, though didn't, in the south and around, um, Alabama, because it didn't”

ride the bus, so it was, it was a Monterey bag. It took under 76 days for their lunch kind of being integrated. Oh, really? Yeah. And, uh, there were all the things done to, uh, stop it, uh, there was a, um, um, bond threat, and they closed all that down, but when they opened it back up, we started all over again. And then, uh, the KKK came in and we faced them down, as I met a fact, some of the powers that he went to the, uh, who was called, uh, uh, at, uh,

during that time, the chancellor would call presidents, went to the president and the man that, uh, he suspend us, uh, or I'll put us out of school, if we, if we didn't stop, uh, the city and movement, but he very wide has said that, uh, as long as they are peaceful,

“they're going to class, what they're doing their own times up there.”

That's also how I continue to consider it all the way up and to even when, uh, uh, antique bows down, um, you had, uh, the students from the, the high school with the school out, high school, that tended, they kept it going. So after, uh, when your parents found out, what you, what you were doing, what was their reaction? Um, find a thing that didn't know about it. Um, found out about it until, uh, I found out about it through a newspaper. Uh-huh.

I'm going to put the pitch in the tape when you see the position for, uh, to a city that learns counting the footbook on the right hand side. Actually, they had a wrong name, wrong names down there, but uh, my whole constant pressure was that, uh, you know, uh, what it laid in me is that we put Jim Crow on trial, Jim Crow was found guilty. So we don't have any Jim Crow, a lot of laws in this country, and it's country and a lot, no, and it's labor laws in this country. So that was America

it was over the years now. What? So after the, the, these protests, did you stay active in the Civil Rights Movement, like what, what, how else were you involved? Well, yeah, what happened was that

after the first year of anti, I popped out of school, um, good to work for a while, and I always

want to see the big apple, because I, you know, and then I had to, as our taste in my mouth, bitch on, uh, um, the laws in my colonis. So decided I was going to a big apple, and one time I decision was I was never going to make a Greensboro, except it doesn't matter, but never say never, because after being there about six or seven years, for the whole time, Frank was, uh, I'm in demanding to butcher individuals, eventually stepped in and, and, you know, do a bad time when you,

I had, uh, uh, uh, as a, uh, car, as to that I had a different man, but when Nick, well, I'll go sound found out that I had, uh, I dropped out of the two. I was talking to my mother on the phone, and she told me that I got his letter and I said, oh, what up, and tell me what

about it because he didn't know where I am. But about six weeks from there, about that time,

“I got a copy of that same letter, and actually, it was three of us that went down to White”

Art Theater for Greenville. I knew it up to guys, uh, ironically, and I was only one that was chosen. And so I learned from being in the place that I wanted to be in a whole different kind of environment,

and Frank was saying I put me on a 20-minute plane. I never fell on before doing that. He didn't

ask if I wanted to travel by a train, or by a bus, coming up playing with me in the Ford Jackson South Carolina, and you're talking about a cone shop. And I met a gentleman to that, then, uh, I was saying I moved me to a little further south to go and join that. Well, he wasn't through me making it just because after I finished my basic train, he sent me the footwork of South Carolina. Falker, Alabama, what George Walsh was going on, so the last 60 months of my

time in the service was down for what George Walsh was going on. Oh, wow. And so some of the things that happened during that time, uh, I don't know whether you know what I'm selling down in city. Do you

know what that is? I do. Yeah, it's a place where in this case, uh, you know, black folks probably shouldn't

be out after sundown. Yeah. So right outside of, uh, Ford Rooka, we should go downtown to city called Bethany, Alabama, where we went down to a little bit places like that. But right outside, nothing you had to go through, but it's all in a crowd. And then, when I was there, I think it was one sheriff there. And what do you mean we left out? And we had a flat tire. And so with the change in the tire and the sheriff, he was real smart guy. He walked up there to say,

"What do you guys doing?" His office would change the tire. He says, "This is what I don't tell you."

“He says, "You need to have that kind of tire hangs before sundown." I don't know what, I didn't”

know sundown. I'm in it that time. Do you know not? But uh, we'd be able to talk about our change. And those things didn't happen all, uh, the campus, I mean in the campus, uh, on the, on the, the floor, it was it. I was, um, I worked in, uh, uh, uh, as a cook. And I was a system massage doing that time. And, um, and charge the 16GIs, 16th of being in KP's. And one day, uh, a black and white KP, uh, so being in KP is one, they just black guy came to me. He says,

"I don't want to work with that black guy. I white guy in the long enough. I was the robber." He said, "The white guy told me that that I killed all the Ian women and Ian men and say Ian women for brief purposes." And I wouldn't want to get that time. And I went out then to ask him and he said, "And he didn't mad at it." That was just one of the answers. There's another one that was left during the time when George was running for governor

and then the main child was running for president, uh, president, and I learned the main child of a president. They had this small business cards and, uh, car said, put a, uh, white man and white, uh, and the white, I was not that in-lover, uh, a little main job. So those are some of the things that dealt, I dealt with, um, during the time I was going to have some good, some of the younger years. But one of the things that happened is that, and I moved various glaciers, one corn,

I lived in, uh, Baltimore, and outside of Baltimore, Maryland, Maryland, which is not still in the south, and I was walking out of street in the, all the inward there. And I lived in Columbus, Ohio, and the same thing happened there. Uh, so it was just a basis of all the United States, and because when you have a person that had that kind of ideology, uh, uh, that is a mindset and no matter what, somebody else is going to change the mindset.

Yeah, as you go around, and I know you talk to a lot of young people, um, and, you know,

“I think this is so valuable, because it's a part of history that, you know, most people,”

the vast majority of Americans haven't lived through it, right? And, and you have, and you can kind of give a firsthand account. What do you tell the young people, and, and, and what do you,

what kind of questions do you get from students or first of all, they have to know their history.

They have to know that they're America. Now, they're not that America being, you know, going up on the change that they've occurred. And what they need to look for is different forms of ideology that come out on the, on the, on the, uh, definition of, uh, uh, uh, oppression, uh, I'll come here and cheer in that part when people. And when they find a kind of thing, it's a question. Yes, well, you defend the contradiction here, because, uh,

freedom is not free, it's a price that must be paid, that was paid in full, and must be picked up

necessary constitution, uh, uh, uh, right, say, how to defend this culture, because there's

“a, how to defend, uh, I will will lose. You see, that's what's happening right now. So,”

I go around speaking out and about, you understand that, they are those that, it's not just about a car was one of the reasons they used nothing, based on how to out. So now they're using the same

thing for example, and, uh, and some of the, some of the, as you always people feel going to

something, you know, pressure going to the same thing we've been through. And some of the people in the culture going along with a bit of work, back doing some croutal, uh, the won't work the end, because a doctor can say that that's, that's what, unless we learn to get a brother who will perish together's food. So we had a situation going in America. We're being divided even Abraham Lincoln said he ran, as a president, uh, Senate, a reference to Senate. And he laws

that is, uh, he ran on the idea that, uh, the culture, the, uh, uh, house of Vatican I stand, and his friends tell me when going on, you know, and that, what when the house failed, then he became

“the president of the United States and that, that's what the emancipation Proclamation came”

to be. Is there a desire on the part of students to, to learn about this part of the street? Because it's one thing to, um, read about it in our history books with nothing. Now, someone added can, uh, ask questions, because one of the things we do when I go, we both are out of, uh, they have an opportunity to answer questions. And they're very insightful. I want to think, you want to know how to deal with it, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, strength that

you know, it, uh, uh, what happens that, uh, people can be, uh, I guess one of where the end in dark neighborhoods, it's a lot as a different between getting in in a war, like you're going to put all some in, it's different between just diving in there and getting slurres as opposed to putting your toy in there and you foot and crash it, you're by the time they realize that there's such a lot of some merge and that's what we've got right now on some of the people's country. And then I realize the danger that we in right now are, they appear a powers affected trying to change this to a one-party system where all the people in this country will be made substance of the government and that's not what this country will find to be.

“I don't know if we found to be, we could be people not data government, matter of fact the second sense of the course of independent said we hold these shows of self-evident and all mean and create people that have been in doubt.”

We created an element of rights in the monies of life, living in the civil happiness and governments and institutes that mean they're arriving at just powers from the consent of the government and not the government. So we have people sitting in the halls of congressmen and other various states were there and like that they think that we work for them.

But they worked for us a billion young people out here that believe that different iterations that the world thought it would be, but it didn't.

That's a hit or hit. The matter if I can understand and she would aim a re-arrace to hit because other people only have anything to go ask. What fame or reps should they have based on what they are right. I love it because it's 250th birthday. We've been talking about the declaration and the founding principles a lot on the show and I think that you know the civil we look back on history the civil rights movement was really one of the great movements and real revolutions in the country and the amazing thing about it is that it was done.

The change came about without a violent revolution and I you know I give the leaders Dr. King and others such credit by and you know what you did is an example of that. It's taking that action which stopping short of violence even though you might be subjected to violence plenty people were. But going and bringing you make your voice assured organizing and bringing that pressure to change your nation and really live into what the declaration says we should be as a nation.

I just think that that's amazing.

But yeah, what they would learn the things is that our focus have been on education which is great. But what we have not done is that we have not. Transplant civilization as to what we're also pleased we are right now. So history and a lot of places is not a requirement.

As far as right concerned that's not a requirement.

So the person trying to read the definition of independence and it's and cursive then they can't read it and kids have been taught now. So what the thing is opposed to how to think and if they know how to go to the research and found out right now. So it's a plan that they have that they want to change this country. And I don't know why those people want to change the country.

“I understand it's going to change them also because when you're causing the housing effect, I start it. So what we have right now I think for example, we have.”

What we are not going to happen now is that we are a strong country as far as.

And it's going to be a strong country as far as I think it's going to be a strong country as far as I think it's going to be a strong country as far as I think it's going to be a strong country as far as I think it's going to be a strong country as far as I think it's going to be a strong country as far as I think it's going to be a strong country as far as I think it's going to be a strong country. It came that they came here. One of the reasons why they wanted to freedom of religion is that they wanted to freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom to come together.

“And we have freedom to do it in the peace of the movement. And I think it started for what we're doing right now. It started back in 2020.”

The peace of movement is where now they're saying that they're funded police. And so low on the order is one thing is we're dealing right now where they have a two tier system.

We have reviving the law-abiding citizens, because I'm very apprehensive about being on the public. So they're trying to bully us to silence. And so we have to do those of us understand that what our requirements are, we have to stand up and you count it. And you do process to change things. It has a lot that you don't like. Then you go through the process and see if you can change it until and let's change it. Then you can't do that because we use a piece of movement because it can be simple. And we because that builds up and but rise tear down. And see, I've been, I want to live in New York. I live when I'm doing it. When I was living in a right break out there. So I've seen that. When I came back to ANT out of the computer and I wouldn't start back to ANT in 60 then. And then a right break on campus there.

“And you show y'all, things have changed. The governor of North Carolina, that talent was granted everything to the governor so I said, he said the right stone stop.”

They said, well, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a mirage of stops out. I'm going to tank and lower the campus. So many like one or two is like, he over there doing that time. And so I understand I've been milling both of them. It was my intention at any of the times that I was involved in them. And I found out through things about that was that when I'm called into something. And I agree with how I stand up because see if we don't wrong, right, I said, we are one generational way for losing that freedom. So how do we get it back.

And also he said, he said, I continue to remind of that because he said that he also said that nine nine out of worst words, he is I'm from the governor. I'm here to help. And you know, government could be more problem than anything else. Because it's just about the opposition does not mean you have the integrity of knowledge because right now I also had the opportunity of the civil rights movement. And I took one of the backside of the amount of I almost four years and I was on the business with them. So I really found out how this country works.

I was in finance and service, so I did more business than investment and things like that. So I understand about the free market capital capitalistic capitalism system. And when you put a little bit of official into a lack of an office and they're on the standard free market system, he's like a square peg in a round hole and they have good intentions, but then going south on which you're going lower. And so we had to be well aware of what is required of a citizen, so we need more citizen participating because when you look at voting, how many people voting, really how many people qualified to vote.

And that's one thing that I would change things because that's what Thomas Jefferson said, I'm American and I didn't admire the man.

But that's not what was happening because we have even locally elections.

You know people when you have meetings, when you have college meetings, when you have a PTA meetings, when you have a citywide meetings, how many citizens go there? They said who is it, but those time they had was they didn't take a wait and they don't really look at it.

“One of the things I share with people all the time is that we have that you need to know what happened and rise and follow them on the empire because all the way to the end.”

That was happening even like right now we have some of the people in this country saying that the Holocaust didn't exist.

Well, I've been there for, and so when it all in the stand there are people that it's in, it's like I can't remember who said it. It said that women's banned people of that to go to the Constitution today is the Constitution because you have people there that they think that what they think they suppose to do. And it's case that's failed us and that they wouldn't get the education from they went through the system that said that in talk about content of character.

“And that's why I have a program now called Content to Care to Teach if I'm the key teacher.”

Our students, what how much care it needs and their building your time to do going through it's case of system. That's your job, just like parents and people I hear work from, that's their job. So what kind of student you are allowed with the record for reflects how kind of system you are as far as our Americans get signed. This is a great and a perfect country and we have to understand that unless we, as I said, let's be learned a little bit from brothers and parents together's food.

“And that's what's happening right now. That's country very, very, very divided and now people think that I can just go be what I want to do realize of the long we have this.”

The way of a room moving building a revolving door to the system, I don't wish a long day and he's out of my own. So what, what, what a consequence of that. Yeah, I mean, such such wisdom that you've shared with us, I'm so glad that you're able to join us, Clarence. Yeah, I, you're clearly a student of history and I, I just love that you yourself are part of making history and really changing the nation for the better. I really appreciate you sharing your story with us, your life experience and your words of wisdom, thanks so much for joining us.

Well, now I'm in check with this, I asked the torch and liberty to become a generation. I think about how prosperity, prosperity, how prosperity, not shows in the ranch of my great friends and what kind of country we're living. When you look at what we say about a me, is a person, whoever person, there was a sin of silence like I think as I did, we defend this country. We allow ourselves to move like the King George at the fair, or are we defend this country? So the violent line is where are the citizens of the country and where are your footsteps?

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