Geena Davis

I'm Jack Shepherd, I'm joined by Monica Padman.

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Please enjoy Gina Davis. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - What's looking for the seatbelt? - Oh, you are.

- Interesting, you were, 'cause you think this is gonna be a wild ride? (laughing) - I've been flying a lot lately. - Okay.

- It's just muscle memory. - That's really sweet.

You really did just go for your seatbelt.

- I just pulled those, what's gonna happen? - How long have you been in studio city? - Only less than a year, I've just rented, just living in Palo Sage, moved before all of that. Unfortunately, that house went, and then I rented a place

in Venice, for two years, that I gave up the lease on that, because I had to go to New Mexico. - New Mexico. (laughing) - She's serious, and then just as I was gonna come back,

I thought it would be so easy to find the fire's happened right when I was coming back. - And so everyone was renting up everything. - So everything was gone. I ended up in a guest house in the backyard

of some guys, Armenian people in Glendale. - Wait, hold on, you were in someone's guest house? - guest house. - And were they aware that Gina Davis was their tenant? - Well, it was funny.

My assistant booked it in her name, and then I came to meet them and she said it's actually her, and I said by the way, maybe you don't talk about that living here. - I don't know until the neighbors. - Yeah, yeah, just don't bring it up, and they said,

why, what do you mean? - They're like, bring what up? - Bring what up. (laughing)

- What are they, are they first jet?

Are they new to the country? - They had accents. - So they might have moved here. Okay, they weren't totally dialed in American calls. - No, but here's the best part.

So I just talked about it, and they said, oh, oh, oh. He'd also lose this neighborhood. The guy who's the fifth building on Brooklyn Nine Dine. And then that one lives over here, I don't know. So I was just talking about, okay.

- I do mean exactly what you just did. I pray, maybe you don't do.

“- Yeah, like so that, that's what I don't want you to do.”

- There's kind of a sweet naiveness to it. - They're like, perhaps in his mind, he was like, good news, there's more of you on this block. You could get together and have coffee, and talk about whatever you guys talk.

- People all probably want to get together. - Yeah, yeah. - Talk about art and stuff. - Yeah, it's a very classy block. There's a lot of celebrities.

- How long were you there? - About eight months. - Eight months. Okay, so certainly I know you do Massachusetts, New York, Sweden, where did you spend the bulk of your time?

What cities? - Were you in LA a lot? - I moved here in '83, and I've been here ever since. - Oh, you weren't in New York for any of that. - No, right after college, I went to New York

because my whole class was going to New York, I studied acting. - Yes. - And they all wanted to do plays. I knew I wanted to do movies in TV,

but nobody told me, well, you should actually go to LA instead. So I went to New York and I was like, how am I supposed to get out of the movie? - Yeah, yeah. - They don't make a ton there.

- And then I did. - Your town in Massachusetts that you grew up in, is 300 in, I did the math yesterday. - It's like 312 years old. - Yes, that's impossible to be in America

and a town that's 300 plus years old. - Right, and I was in, they had a parade for the Cescos Centennial, which was 250th anniversary, which the country is having back in the '80s. I was the parade, Marshall, my parents that I dressed

in costumes from the era. My dad grew out much less. - So you're going to make stuff? - Celebrate stuff. - Yeah, yes. - How close were you to Plymouth Rock?

- 20 minutes. - 20 minutes. - Oh, wow, that's so cool. - Okay, it's also where, where am? - Where am? - Where am?

- It's also the gateway to Cape Cod, right? - It is. - I just asked someone this the other day who grew up in a tourist town,

“but when I think of certainly it would swell”

in the summer, right? The amount of people that were in your town, or did they just pass through? - The pass through. - 'Cause it wasn't on the Cape.

It's right before the Cape, but you must pass through it to Cape. - Then this wasn't a ply. I'm like, every time I was somewhere for duration, like go to Northern Michigan in the summer,

I would fall in love with the girl there. And then I'd have to return home. And then I just imagined that girl fall in love every year with someone that was out of town. Like that seems right for a lot of long distance relationships.

- Well, I never had a boyfriend till I left town.

“- You didn't have one all through high school.”

- No. - That would shock people. But I've read enough about you that I know why it's not shocking. 340, eight years, that's what it was.

- 1678, that's crazy. - That's crazy. - That's crazy. - Yeah, 340, it's nuts. So your mother was a teacher's assistant? - Sometimes.

- She have a college education? - No. - She was born in 1919, I think? - Yes, that's right. - Wow.

- Incredible, really now. My kids make fun of us. They say you guys are from the 1900s. And I'm like, "Oh, wow, that is true." That sounds really funny, I'm sure to them.

- It does, but back in the 1900s. - But what kind of mom was mom? - Fabulous mom. She grew all of our produce. She had an acre size yard.

She grew so much that she would sometimes sell to the local little store strawberries and stuff to them. - Did you can? - Can, oh my god, yeah.

Both my parents grew up rather poor. We're from on and so every piece of foil gets saved. - I'm not sure they bought a second roll, actually. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah.

- Just use what we had. - They were very, very careful about it. - They would have been little kids in the Great Depression, right? - Yeah.

- Yeah, that'll sear into your consciousness. - Absolutely. - And Dad was a civil engineer? - With the Corps of Engineers. - Oh, like the Army Corps.

- Yes, yes. - His unit was in charge of maintaining the canal, surveying it and maintaining it. And then he got assigned to go all up and down the coast. He's coast to survey waterways and things.

- And you were, what kind of kid? You were shy? - I was very shy and it seemed like every time I wasn't and burst out of my shells, somebody would say, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, go back to your shell.

- That's too much.

“- Yeah, you had a little gap in your paper out, right?”

And then this little gap on your bike, whether or not I'm watching you, just let it rip and sing at the top of your lungs, but you get busted. - My house in a few other houses

and there was a long hill where there weren't houses. And there was a creek that went there. And first of all, I was very superstitious at the time. So I had to find sticks on the ground in the shape of a y, which meant yes, you can keep going.

- Oh. - And if I found one in the shape of a v, that meant very good to keep going. - Oh, you made it very good. - Right.

- But what if you didn't find any sticks, you just stood there and look around. - You find what you're looking for, don't you? - Sure, man of that. - The people up the hill,

you know, both of them were older. And they went at their paper and they come out and say, where you should look down the hill and then they'd call for my mother and say, I think something's wrong with your daughter.

- She's at it again. - Wondering around and not bringing the paper and she's staring at the grain. - We might call that a little OCD tendency now. - Yes, and I'm so not superstitious now.

- Yeah. - What's the weather? But I think I was worried about things. - Yeah, that was all right, I feel better. - In you are very self-conscious about being tall.

- Mm-hmm. - Oh, it's the tallest kid in class. - Period, throughout, yeah, from minute one. - Okay, so let's get into the compulsive behavior because I had a ton of it.

I had a bunch of ticks, like so many ticks.

“And then I did so many things to prevent bad luck, right?”

Like I had to do every single thing twice. I had all these bizarre rituals. I had to take the toilet paper and leave the bathroom and touch the wall and come back in. But I had to do that twice and I was afraid to see.

- What about toilet paper? Do you just sit? - For whatever reason, at some point at eight years old, while going to the bathroom, I was like, if I don't take the toilet paper and string it all the way

to the hallway and touch the wall, then come back in. But I have to do that twice or it's bad luck. Then go again, praying nobody in my house sees me because I know it's madness. - Yeah.

- And I just had a million things I was so busy with.

- Oh, did you have any of that stuff? - Well, what I was very busy with was monsters in the house. And then I'll talk about the outside monsters. But there weren't just monsters in the closet or under the bed, or of course I had.

Those are stands. - That'd be exciting. - Right, the worst one was a could read your mind. And so when I was in bed, I had to think that I was somewhere else so that it would go there

and it would look for me a small one and get me. So I'd be thinking, "Hey, I am in the kitchen here. I'm in the kitchen." I know I'm having crackers. It would get exhausting.

- Well, because it realized I'm actually in bed. Get up, it's spring out of bed. And I'd say, "Yes, I am in the bed. I'm in the bed. I'm in the bed."

- You're trying to teleport your consciousness to deceive the monster. - And what's great is the monster. - There's so skill that can read your mind, but it can also be tricked very easily.

- Right. - Yeah, that's the logic of a young person. - And it can't see clearly. - Clearly, or it would just observe you.

- Right, I never really think about that.

- Oh, none of these things make sense if you try to unravel. - Like the whole evenness, think, did you have that at all? - Evenness. - Like you scuff your left heel walking the school.

And then you just become neurotically obsessed

or it's in balance."

- I didn't have that kind of thing.

- You didn't have any in the balancing. - Or I have to touch things and I didn't have that. - No touching. - Yeah, did you have a visual of the monster? Like, did you know what it looked like?

- That one was invisible. And the other ones were corporate real, but I didn't think too much about how they actually looked, but that they would have grabbed me hands. But there was one.

- Yeah, they were very grabby. They're handsy. They want to pinch you, they're ankle. - I had to vault it to the bed from very far away. - Of course.

- Yeah. - But there was one outside that was an enormous, colossus giant. And if you could see the horizon, it was just below that.

And if I did something wrong,

it would take one step toward me.

And so I would look at the horizon. I'm waiting to see the top of its head. Is your current explanation of all this? Mine is easy. I had a stepdad that arrived in my life.

He was an addict and he was violent. And then all these things took off, right? All these OCD type things. Which someone is like, oh, yeah, when your environment is very uncontrolled, you try to control things.

Great, they make sense. - Right. Do you have an explanation as yours genetic or was there something nurture going on that you had a hunch?

“- I think there was kind of something about”

that you have to be perfect. - Dad was a deacon as well as a civil engineer? - Yeah, I mean, they were very involved with the church. He and I also sang in the church choir. - You played the organ for the young people's service.

- So there was this huge fear that you would be not good. - Yes, I hate that. Don't you fucking hate that? - Yeah. - Like I got into debate with my mother-in-law.

I'm like, look, I get it. You want to introduce the kids to your religion. That is your right, I wish you well. I do ask you to not introduce this concept of hell and sin to these little brains.

I don't think that's a healthy concept. - No, exactly, but it was even more than religion. It was sort of maybe a New Englandy kind of thing. Where you had a hell, hell, hell, hell, hell, hell. Everybody ever could, but take nothing.

It was to the extreme where if somebody was handing me something, would you ever just like to have some ice cream or a glass of water, I don't think, no, thank you. Easy to be at girlfriend's house and you smell the chicken and garlic cooking and you wanted it.

- Yeah. - Why did you eat and you said no? - I said no, thankfully her mom knew about my mom. She called and said, Lucille, she doesn't have any dinner with us.

No, she is. - Yeah. - Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you can't. So yes, because it's too much trouble for me. - You don't want to be a burden.

- Yeah, to lightness. - What do you think that came from in them? - I don't know, but they definitely both had this thing where you had to be the politeest person, not only polite, but just incredibly self-sacrifice.

A perfect way to be who is absolutely no needs, but I'm gonna give you everything. - Self-sufficient and very generous. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's tough.

“- Yeah, how did that play out with like friendships?”

Did people think you were over the top of that? Or was it standard enough ethos in that area? - You know, my only close friend was Lucille who lived across the street, and who I saw been played with every day, but for some reason,

the other kids, I was friendly with everybody in school, but I didn't get invited to people's houses, which was weird. It was one time when I was already driving, I already had my license, and the cool boy

from class called and said, "Hey, a few people together in my house, would you like to come?" And, "Oh, hold on." - I was like, "I was finally happening."

- I'm a junior, I was like, "Oh, I'm wrong." - Oh, and I went and found my dad, I said, "Dad, can I take the car?" Why? - Well, I went up, I had to go over the fence house,

and he said, "But it's nine o'clock." That's okay, and he said, "Don't do it, nobody goes out at nine o'clock." - No, it's too late now. - Dad, but what if I left at seven? I'd still stay there till 11, so what he definitely was like,

"No, no, and I had to go back and say, "No!"

I'm sorry, I can't come, and then never got it back.

- No, that was my one chance. - That's awful. - Yeah. - So, did you resent them? Your parents?

- I probably didn't really grasp it as well as I do now. What was going on? I mean, I resented the hell out of not being able to-- - Of course. - Live your life, yeah.

- I know you went and studied in Sweden for a year in high school. Is it because you knew everyone was so tall there? Do you think that was in the mix? - No, but that was interesting. I didn't know that I found it out.

“- Yeah, you got there in your completely normal, right?”

- Absolutely normal. My high school started this foreign exchange program when I was a junior, and the second I heard about it, I don't know how to go. And I think it was that I somehow knew I could reinvent myself.

They wouldn't know I was the geeky kid who didn't have a boyfriend. That's how it turned out.

- Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah. - Had you taken any Swedish priorities? - No, I don't know. But what the plan was, or how this ever happened, but I got to Sweden without knowing how to speak one word of it,

and I started high school today's late. - Oh my God. - Really? I show up at the school and they say, "So this was going to help you do your classes today."

And I'm in the first class, and I'm like, hang on, it's in Swedish. - Yeah. - How does this supposed to work? - Yeah.

- How are you going to learn anything? - I went up to the teacher afterwards. And of course, they all, do don't, I don't speak English. I said, "Do you know what I'm supposed to do?"

(laughing) And she said, "I don't know, I've been thinking about it because I can't teach the class in English." So I started, I'd ask somebody, "What was the homework?"

And I take the book home, and I look up every single word in the dictionary, so I would translate the entire homework. But I learned it fast.

- That sounds like I always learn.

I call that, like, clearing words. - Really?

“- Yeah, you have to read everything with a dictionary next to you.”

I mean, they believe that the basis of all misunderstandings that people misunderstand a word, and then continue on, and they build all this stuff on top of them, misunderstandings. So you're obligated--

- Wow. - A word with lots of sign-toils, and I watched someone doing the clearing words thing, and I was like, "What's going on here?" - Wow.

- Yeah, so you could have invented your own religion, and you just missed the opportunity. What was the family like that you were living with? - They were conservative, I would say, "They were pretty strict."

- There's a bummer, you left one, "not strict environment for another." We needed to go to the Scar's Guard family. - Oh, exactly. - Right? - Yes.

- They're like naked ones.

- Yeah, I was saying they were always naked

and having wine. - Oh, yes. - Yeah, well, the older girl, their daughter, had a boyfriend who slept over. - Yeah, that was standing right.

- Absolutely. - I know, I was like, "What?" I'm sure they felt very responsible for that. - But you know, the last you did fall in love there. - I did.

- What was the name, Matt? - Matt's. - Matt's. - We went on a school trip to Amsterdam. And I hadn't even really noticed him before in my class, but we started hanging out and he was gorgeous and blonde.

- That's all we see. - It's taller than me, so that was unbelievable. And his family adopted me. They were like, "Just come here." - It may weren't strict.

- No, and they drank wine at dinner, and I was like, "Oh God, this is crazy." (laughing) And then the dad had to go out of business trip one time. And they said, "Would you like to come with us?"

Oh my God, yes, and the people said yes. And they got a room for Matt's and I. - Oh, wow. - What a blessing. - And you were like, "Slight teen?" - We're older, but I lived in the family.

- Oh my God, you maintained a penpal relationship. - Yes, and my parents actually invited him to come visit us in the summer after I came home. And he came for like a week. - Had the magic visual doubt between you?

- No, no. - So summer was nice. - Yeah, it was. - Did you take him to Martha's Vineyard? - No, but we took him camping in Vermont

in our homemade camper. - How did that end? - They're hard.

“Long distance back then was like a dollar a minute, right?”

- It's really hard.

- So when you first got out of high school,

you wanted to go to University of Boston, that didn't work out for one reason or another. - I wasn't home in order to audition. Had audition to get on the acting program. So I went to a college,

knowing the college, which you didn't have to audition to become an acting major for the first year. And then as soon as I could, I auditioned to go to be you. - And did you like it there? - I did.

- You got an affin body movement in movement class, which is sort of dance, but yes. Because, there were these assignments like you and your partner create a scene with three hits and a fall or something like that.

- Okay. - And all the stuff that I came with was so ridiculous, that she means like very amusing, but again, not the assignment. - Did you start gaining confidence in college?

What does the transition from like, I'm an awkward duck till I know by the time we get to New York, we're ready to try modeling. So something has happened between those two. - Right. - It was college.

- Yeah, it was, 'cause now, oh, I'm trying to make myself be, however I wanna be, I actually became sort of gaugh, flat eyeliner, and I pierced my own ears. - Yeah.

- You were well-belling, it was your time to do that. - Oh, that's my time to do that. - Yeah. - Okay, so when you get to New York, you start modeling, and did that require, like your first time doing it.

That's a big leap of confidence.

“You kind of got to just, I think, fake it to you, make it, maybe?”

I mean, does anyone feel like a sexy runway model? - I don't know. - I mean, like five or six of them and those are our super models, but it's an awkward endeavor, initially, no? - It very much felt like I was faking everything.

In fact, I guess because I was taller than most models, I would get a lot of bathing suit and underwear

and I was actually in Victoria's secret,

or time.

“So I'm shooting all these photos in underwear,”

you know, very revealing. And then I go back to the desert to go home and put on my phone. - Big grandma. - Big grandma underpants.

(laughing) And I told myself, I just have figured out how to stand. That was all a trick, tricking them into thinking, I'm attractive. - I don't want to be too dramatic, but you think you were able to disassociate?

- Yeah. - Like, okay, we're gonna walk out, we're gonna act like we're a sex symbol. - Right, yeah. - We know we're not, so we're just gonna vacation

while that's happening. - Exactly, I'm just gonna pretend I'm all that. - One story before we get to Tootsie, you were also working at Antaler? - Yeah.

- Yeah, it'd go ahead well. - No, it'd take a great story. - So imagine, she's there in the '70s. I mean, I have to imagine this is Apex window display era of department stores, yeah?

- Right. - So you were working there on what happened? - I was, I've sales girl at Antaler. We would dress like Antaler. - Yeah.

“- Stiles, I was always made up and dressed up.”

- So for the undergarments, which were enormous. - Yeah, yeah. - I prefer my giant hair. - And one time, the window display was a cafe table and two models were sitting at chairs

and have its mannequin models. And there was fake food, and all that, but there was one empty chair. And I kept looking at it and they weren't doing it. And I said, what my co-workers dare really go in the window.

- She was like, yeah, do it. I had no idea what I was gonna do, but I went and got in the chair. And people were walking by at that time and they were like, "What's she's doing?"

And I got in the chair, and I just, - Oh yeah. - And froze. - And they're like, oh, and then they keep watching and find out what's gonna happen.

And then other people stopped and said, "What are you looking at?" - But they had missed you all the time. - And they said, "Just wait." 'Cause they're like, she's got to move at some point.

So I started moving, you know, like a robot, occasionally, and they'd go, "Whoa." But the more people come and say, "What are you all looking at?" Just wait. - Oh my God, you created like a whole secreted,

a whole thing. At some point, the manager of the store came over and said, "Jena, what are you doing?" Get out of the window. - Yeah, they looked at some of this giant crowd outside

and said, "What's day there?" - Oh, wow. - They started hard in every Saturday. - No. - For like five hours.

- She had five hours. - She had five hours. - She had five hours. - She had five hours. - She had five hours.

- She had five hours. - She had five hours. - Wow, it's like an art installation. - But I think even sitting dead still for 15 minutes would be far more growing than people would expect.

Is it not hard? - I learned, I didn't know I did, but I had this talent, but I learned that I had a tremendous skill at being motionless and that I could go a very long time without blinking.

'Cause they're also waiting for me to blink right on it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I could go like at least five minutes or what? Without blinking, then I blink and they go, "Oh, yeah!"

- Did you ever consider rubbing a thin layer of Vaseline over your eyes? - With that little butt? - So that they wouldn't need moisturizing. Like maybe you could convince your eyes

that they could take over the verbally.

“- Well, that's why you're blinking to moisturize your eyes.”

- No, what was of a Vaseline? - A person out, but if you're committed to your craft, you can't be sure that would work. - No, you'd have to try it. - Then you'd probably hold on getting angst and be blurry.

- I should have tried. But you know what, people would be looking, looking at me and one time somebody said, "Ah, it's not a romantic, it has hair on its arms." I said, "Okay."

- And I went home. - She could hear them rub it. - Yeah.

- You could never have seen anybody.

I would love to hear people talking about, "Oh, wow." - Oh, wow. - So funny, yeah. - So from then on, I shaved my arms

and I got a wig that looked like the other mannequins wig. - Wow. - This is the reverse of the movie mannequin. Or a mannequin becomes a real life beautiful girl. You are a real life beautiful.

- Yeah. - We can be very good. And then one time somebody said, "That's not a robot or anything." She's not plugged in.

So the next time, I had a very subtle, little cord disappearing. - Wow. - She's plugged in. - This feels impossible, but your first audition

is Tootsie. - Yeah. - Oh, my. - I mean, that really is nuts. How did you get it?

- Because the role required is a dressing room mate to be in her underwear a couple of times. So he'd be like, "Well, they called model agencies and said, "Do you have any models who not an act?" And my, is it new that I didn't say?

- We do have one. - She's currently acting like a mannequin on fifth stage. - It's so, they said, "Okay, so go. These are the lines and you're gonna go to audition. And if they like your audition,

they want to see you in a bathing suit. So just wear a bathing suit under your clothes. So I did it, and I went to the audition, and I read it. And it was just assisted to the casting directors.

- The first run on the ladder.

- She did the video and then didn't ask to see my bathing suit.

- Oh, of course my first time.

Nothing's gonna happen. - You flew to do a runway show, right? - Yes, I went to Paris. I went to Paris and I got booked for some of the runway shows and I was excited about that, and then got a message,

color agent, and they said, "You got the part." And I'm like, "What part?" Tootsie, huh? (chuckles) - What?

They said, "But you could stay and do the shows." And I was like, "Oh, I'm coming home. I gotta come home." - Yeah, or it's like, "Didn't need to." But I really wish I would grab like this.

- It's hitting ball against senior day. - Right. - He saw my tape when he said I really liked her. Where's her underwear photo? And they said, "Oh, we forgot.

We didn't do it." Well, get her back. Oh, turns out we can't, she's in Paris.

“Well, does there have any photos of her in a bathing suit?”

- Oh, my God. - Oh, my God. - That's lucky. - And then, yeah, there's tons of light. - That's what I did.

- Yes, with everybody else in this office. - Yeah, sure. - What was your intimidation level? 'Cause your scenes were immediately with Dustin. - Yeah.

- And Dustin's already being heralded is like the second coming of Brando, right? I mean, he's like, "God, at that time." - Right. - What was your kind of anxiety level?

As someone who trends high with anxiety? - I get there the first day. The first scene I shoot is in my underwear with Dustin. But I was just like, this is what was supposed to happen. - Yeah.

- Yeah, you felt confident. - As if it really happened that way. - Yeah, you felt fine. - But I felt kind of fine. - You think the modeling help?

But you kind of already crossed a really big bridge to do that. That's way more awkward than acting. - Right. - When I got to do the photoshoot for something,

oh my gosh, I can't stand this. It's crazy, I act. - No, that's true. And so we started shooting, the scene,

“and Dustin is said they were so gracious and kind with me.”

And then on one of the takes, Dustin accidentally ran into the door, and I went over and said, "Are you okay? "You're all right?" So I was literally ad-libbing.

- Yeah. - So to public say, "Hey, come here for a second." Why are you not nervous? And I said, "Am I supposed to be, I don't know, God." He's like, "Yeah, no, it's good.

It's great." - But it's almost creepy. - But it's a little bit creepy. You said, "I mean, you're acting as seen "when Dustin, I've been here in your underwear."

And you seem just fine with that. - Yeah. Is it fair to say? Now look, I've worked with really, really acclaimed actors that didn't have this ability,

and then I've worked with really acclaimed actors where they have this ability, which is like, "They're so good. "They can just suck you into their bubble." Like, do you think Dustin's ability helped you

for that first role?

- Yeah, Dustin was incredible with me.

And immediately decided that I was gonna have a career and just took me under his wing all day long tips and advice. And the second day, he said, "Come with me at lunch. "I'm gonna take you to Daily's."

I didn't know what that was. - And for the listener, Daily's are, when they used to shoot on film, they go process all the film, then you'd come back and watch it all in the theater

on edit it. - Right. And it's typically just for department heads and whatever to see what's the mic and the camera. - Yeah.

- Is the hair reading weird in this lighting? And Sidney was a little surprised. Do it, does it run me and he said, "What's going on?" He said, "I'm gonna teach her how to watch Daily's."

- Yeah, 'cause it was just that. Actors are not invited to Daily's. - No. - If you're doesn't have, then you can go. - Yes.

So, Daily's like, "Okay." - So, every time I did scenes I got to go to Daily's and he would talk through it and stuff. And he wanted me to learn how to use Daily's as a tool. And so, the idea was, let's say you think

something you did, you had some intention and you, hope it came across. Well, go see the Daily's as he if it did. - Yeah. - And if it didn't, you probably have some other scene

where you could work on that aspect of the character.

So, that was incredible, right?

- Well, so you're like accumulating, I don't wanna be little and say that you accumulate tricks, but you do accumulate the things you're good at. And no one's great at everything and some things are totally unexpected.

Some of you've been doing since you're eight and of course it works. But also some of the things you're doing since you're eight on film, don't work. - There's a lot to learn.

- There is. - I was lucky the first movie I ever did, they invited us to Daily's. - Really? - It was a mixed bag.

- Oh, where you self-conscious? - Well, first of all, it was kind of believe I was on a screen. - Yeah. - I was just like, oh my god, 'cause they're showing the Daily's on a movie screen

and you're dealing with it. - Yeah, yes. - Oh my god. - This is happening. - So, the thing with the first half of the time

is I wanna just come believe I was in a movie. And then the last half was like, "We gotta stop doing that, that, and that." - Oh, right, right, right. - Yeah, like once the thrill of being in a movie

wears off, and you're like, oh, I could be doing a little better at this. - Yeah. - Or I could be not doing that. - Yeah, maybe I don't need to do so much, period.

“I think that's what you really learn a lot of times.”

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“I think it gets an omnivotent Academy Award,”

something outrageous like that. - Big hit, yeah. - And how are you computing having gone from being a living model? - A mannequin.

- A living mannequin to that moment.

- So I'm home visiting my folks at one point. And my best friend's mom comes over. She's talking to my mom. She says no one can believe somebody from where ham is in a movie.

I said no one can believe this. My mom says, "Well, she studied acting in college." (laughing) - Yeah, with 13 other thousand years ago. (laughing)

But I remember just that my brother and I took them to see the movie. If he's a matinee, hardly anyone was there. The movie finishes, we get in the car, dead silence. Mom says, "So, what do I have for dinner tonight?"

- Oh, why? - I think it was 'cause I had underwear. - I know, I was gonna ask you how I'm handling the underwear exposure. - Well double whammy, there's the underwear.

But then there's also just the like,

we're a very pious, low-poppy family in your model and now you're a actor. Then there's almost a been quite threatening with how worldly you were getting. And maybe, although my mom really latched on to me being an actor

and one time said, "You're a mole.

“I would pay if you want to have it removed.”

If that would make any difference." And she also said, "I've read that blonde actresses get more work. I would be happy to pay for you to get your hair done." - She was like, "So she's had a hell." - All terrible advice, but really, she was like,

"Yeah, you know, that's freckles like that's Gina Davis." - Yeah, the intention was kind of both. - Yeah, it was very. - Okay, so at that time, I guess immediately built a huge fantasy around this tell me if I'm right or wrong.

Your husband at the time was a restaurant tour. - Yes. - So when I think of New York, I'm thinking of Billy Joel's big shot. Like, going out to Elaine's, the whole New York city 19A now, it wasn't so thrilling and glamorous.

- It wasn't glamorous. - It wasn't. - No, no. - What do you want pizza shops? - He worked at various restaurants.

- None of them were seen, he ones. - Nothing. - You weren't seen, Billy Joel worked up in a corner. - No, nothing. - I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I didn't do that.

- We're going to studio 54? - No, although my agency had a Christmas party at Studio 54 and they wanted to have models jump out of a giant present box. - Sure. - The walls would fall down and sing jingle bell rock.

- Oh, wow, yeah, classic. - Classic a steam builder. - Yeah, yeah. - So because I could sing and do harmony, I was one of that, and the other two were like pretty famous, but I got to do that.

So we dressed in these, skimpy little dresses, which had jingle bells tying together the sides. - Pitching like almost the Hugh Haffner bunny outfit in that world. - Exactly.

- Okay, with some bells. - Yeah, with some little bells added. - What was your identity doing

“that you thought you were a wallflower and high school?”

But now you're quite beautiful in your own movies and lots of men probably are giving you a lot of attention. Are you integrating that into your identity? - I think I still thought it was kind of a trick. Oh, I also thought, because somebody happened to video me

while we were in college and showed me the video and I was like, I'm kind of photogenic. In that instance, I am a trick. - Oh! - If it's a photo or on screen.

You made space for, there's a version where I'm beautiful, but it's only through a lens. - Only in this service sense. - I'll tell you my story. - Okay.

- I have been embarrassingly vulnerable to female attention and approval. My whole life 'cause I had this big window as like no girls are ever gonna like me and I want a girl so bad.

So did you have any of that where you just felt like that affection or approval held a weight that may be otherwise it wouldn't have? - I think so. - Yeah, I was also very impressed

if somebody took that just to me. - You were like surprised. - I could like someone just 'cause they liked me. - Oh, me too. - That's what I'm saying absolutely.

- If they said I really like it, I like you too.

- Yeah. - Yeah. - Oh yeah. - That's a tricky, a tricky language trick. - Then you're just like at the mercy of luck.

Well, I hope the right dude arrives in front of me and says I like you 'cause I will like that person back.

“- All you have to do is show interest in me.”

- Yeah. - Well, you know. - Yeah, it's not knowing yourself. It's not knowing what you really like. - Or what you want.

- Or you want to need, yeah. - Yeah. Also it just goes to show like what you think you're meaning when you're an adult. Like you just don't know people's childhoods.

- No, exactly. - So again, anyone that's meaning you and you're in movies and you're six feet tall and you're gorgeous. They're like, yeah, this girl's at every option or whole life.

I'll be so lucky if she says hi to me back. - Yeah.

- And then you're sitting there like,

oh my gosh, you just want someone to say it. - I think this guy actually likes me so much. - Yeah. - I think so. - Exactly.

- Okay, so then for the next few years after Tutsi, you start doing a bunch of television. You're in some of the greats. You were in Night Rider, Frickin, Remington's Steel Family Ties.

Now you were on Buffalo Bill for a year. I don't even know that show but I was really excited to learn that you wrote an episode of it. - I did. So Dabney Coleman was in Tutsi and I met him there

and then he was getting ready to do this sitcom Buffalo Bill and recommended me to play his assistant and I flew out to LA and immediately got the part and then I had an idea for an episode that heavily featured my character.

- Yeah. (laughing) - Assistant Navi. - And I told one of the producer, producer writer about it and he said, well, okay, write that.

I was like, no, I don't know how to write it.

- Well, write it. - That was cool of them. - Yes, so I started writing it and I thought, maybe this is good and I wanted to show him he said, I'm not reading it until it's done.

So that forced me to finish it and then with everybody tinkering with it but yeah, we did it. - Was that so enormously rewarding

“to see an episode of television on air that you wrote?”

- Yes. - Yeah, I'm shocked you didn't get more addicted to that. - I know 'cause forever I've wished that I could write a screenplay or something but I don't know. - Have you written?

- Oh, yeah. And I pride myself on it way more. - Of course. - Like more traveling if we're meeting people who have no clue who either of us are

and I say, what do you do? I'll always say, writer. That's what I have the most pride in. - I totally auditioned. - Okay, I just have to ask you this one

because this is my all-time. It's a three-way tie but it is number one. My all-time comedies are raising Arizona for anyone with disaster and flesh. (sighs)

- Oh boy. - Yeah, I love your body, Larry. (laughs) You're one of the guys who would come up to me. - Yeah, I would have done that.

- Do you, but yes, I would have been very thrilled you were around, that's for sure. - Right. - What was that movie like? - I just watched the Chevy Doc.

- Oh. - Did you watch that by chance? - I didn't even know that by chance. - I'd be so curious to hear from someone who did a movie with them.

It's interesting. Most of the people that I've had the conversation with they didn't walk away with what I did. I can't tell you what I walked away with, which is like, he is a genius.

He's deeply uncomfortable. And he has this crazy wit and he acts out with it, a lot. And he's mean to people a lot. But I also don't know that he knows he's mean to people in the way that he clearly is mean to people.

But at the end of the day, he is unhappy. He's uncomfortable and unhappy. So I have compassion for him. It's not like he was an asshole and he's having a blast. I think he's suffering the most.

- No, yeah.

“- Do was there any hints of that when you were doing flat?”

- Well, you know, I had such a small part. I originally auditioned for the lead feebell. - Mrs. Stan. - Oh, Alan Stan helps me. - Yeah, bro, I stood a lot in there.

- Yeah, so many times I'd be able to. - A pretty sure they said you're not attractive enough to play that part. Oh, but we think you're so funny when you went in the movie. - And this was 85, where they would tell you.

- Yeah, they're not at all crazy. - Yeah, yeah. - It was so crazy. - I was wearing my hair all the curly and weird. Anyway, they said, oh, there's this part of the more chief

whose name is Larry, but we'll change it to a female for you. And I said, but I still want to be Larry. - Yeah. - It made it very memorable that you were Larry. - But was he grouchy?

- Not at all. - He was also at the peak. Everything was going his way at that moment. - Yeah, and he might have really enjoyed that movie or something because he seemed fun and funny and chill and great.

- Okay, so you did the movie, Transylvania, 65,000, and you met Jeff. - Yes. - Have you seen him in things prior to that? - Yes.

- Because I think the fly's my introduction to Jeff Goldblum. He's immediately a unicorn, right? He's so peculiar in the most fascinating way. - Fabulous way. - And was he that way on Transylvania?

- Yes, yeah, I was immediately met him. - You sounded like him just then. - Yes. - Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Sorry, Jeff, but yeah, yeah, we did it off.

- Off to the races. Okay, yeah, then you do the fly.

“And the fly is a mega movie, what a movie.”

- Really was. - Yeah, David Cronover, who wrote it also.

You've probably never saw the original fly, but it's goofy.

It didn't mean to be. That was in that spell of weird monster movie. - Weird monster movies. - Swamp thing. - I wouldn't be surprised if Vincent Price was in it.

And when the character turned into a fly, he had a given body and a giant fly. And then they showed the fly toward the end, had his human head on it, but tiny. And he was like, help me.

(laughing) But then it gets eaten by a spider. - This has to be a very joyful phase of your life. - You meet someone you fall in love, he's a unicorn. And then you guys do three movies together.

- Yeah. - Back to back to back. Was there any stress or challenge to that or no? - No, it was all fun. And in one, he's a fly, in another one.

He's an alien. - Earth girls are easy. - Earth girls are easy. Yeah, it was kind of crazy. - So the fly is huge.

“I guess I would have expected after Tutsu”

you would have had more movie type offers. - Right. - But it takes the fly, that kind of gets the ball rolling.

And then the kind of big breakthrough,

well that beetle juices huge. What's it like working with Tim Burton? - Oh, so great. - I went to meet him to talk about being in the movie. And he's an illustrator too, you know?

He's to do animation. And all the walls were covered with his drawings of what beetle juices was gonna look like. And it was fabulous. And I found out later that this happened that I said to him,

"I want to be in this movie because I get it. I get this movie." - And he told me later that he wanted to hire me because he wanted at least so many other set who knew what the movie was like.

'Cause I sure don't. So that was great. - Okay, accidental tourists then kind of now everything changes. 'Cause you get nominated.

And then you win an Academy Award for that. - You're pretty young still, yeah? - I'm just like 32 or something. - Yeah, 32. - Feels very young doing an Oscar nowadays.

“And what did you have to learn on that movie”

with William Hertz just kind of darkness? - Actually, so for that movie I hired an acting coach.

I had studied acting, but I had never worked

with a coach, but I thought, "Oh, this is so important." I don't want to mess it up. And he actually had heard what Bill is like to work with. So he was like, "We're gonna proof you from being drawn off track "by the way he is."

Because he did live at a dark place. I think all of it was kind of painful for him in some way. And so I was such a caretaker. People please are type. If he had been like that and I had no idea

it was going to be like that, all I would be trying to do is make him happy, fix him up, you know what can I do? - So if he's unhappy, giving your child a, you're going to likely interpret it as like, why have been bad.

- What is it about me doing this in the lab? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I learned what to do if that happened. The coach said, "If you say, "Oh, how are you in Hesis?" - I'm terrible.

- You're gonna say, "I'm sorry to hear that." Okay, just not get sucked into that. It was really unnatural, but I practiced it. - And I was able to do that. - It's like very codependence teaching.

- Yeah, breaking. - Right. - Yeah. - Insomersent therapy all at once. - True.

- Insomersent. Well, yeah, this is the kind of the theme of your memoir is basically like a lot of these roles have forced you to take on qualities that otherwise would have maybe been unattainable.

And that certainly feels like a really good one, not that you perfected it, but if I could have learned at 32, I'm currently learning it. I live with three women, and it is occurred to me,

I can't be affected by their emotions, or this isn't gonna work. Like this will be untenable. If I'm upset every time they're upset and trying to figure out what I gotta do to fix it,

I'm gonna die. But it's like taking that life experience and forcing me to learn that. - Right. - So I would have loved to have learned that at 32.

- Yes. - But it didn't apply to anybody else. - Do you know what I put on to anybody else? - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - So you're good, if you're with him, you're fine,

but anyone else, you're still vulnerable. - Okay, immediately after, now we're on a fucking roll. Now we go into the Talman Louisa pretty quick after that. And Ridley Scott, obviously,

one of the great kind of masters to ever do it. - Just a genius. - Hard-breaking end. What did he bring to that? You know what, I just watched it with a friend two nights ago.

I mean, I've seen it a million times, but I watched it again. And I was just so bold over by everything he brought to it.

That was Ridley's idea. That was Ridley. He did that, you know, like a motorcycle suddenly screamed by, or some vehicle shooting water out at the car, and we dodged it, and all kinds of visual stuff,

a prop dust or plane flies over the convertible, and just keep brought such profound visual element to it, besides being a genius director with all the acting and everything. - Yeah, as an actor, you can miss all that stuff.

You're like, focus on your scene. We have this three-page scene in this car.

“You need to even notice a fucking prop dust or prop.”

I have the bag, or if you thought you would think it was going to do it at all. - Right, yeah. - Yeah, you kind of unaware how much of the sausage is being made around you.

- He made that movie so much bigger than it could have been. - And then Susan arrives in your life as kind of a real signpost of like some things you'd like to take on, yeah? - Oh man, she changed my life more than anybody,

and we're still right or die.

So the first day I met her was a good example.

We were getting together with Ridley, just the three of us. We're gonna go through the script and see if anybody had any comments or thoughts. And there was a few little things I wanted to bring up, but I had tried to figure out the earliest possible way

to bring them up. But this I can just mention on this set. Your pattern at that time was every sentence you said was mitigated with, this is probably a dumb idea, or I'm sorry to even bring this up, right?

You were constantly apologizing for having another thing. - Yes. - A polligating for now this thing. - Let alone having thoughts about something. But so we sit down, crack up with this script,

and on page one, Susan says, Ridley, you know what?

“My first line here, I don't think we need it.”

Or we could put it next scene and he was like, yeah, true. And I was literally like, "What is she doing? What's this?" Oh, it's just, do that. How come she didn't find out first

how he'd react? - Yeah. - And the whole day, it was like that, the whole experience. And then the entire movie was like that.

I had never been in the presence of a woman

who doesn't apologize for existing ever. - And advocates for herself without any fear. - And advocates for herself. And everybody loved her. - It wasn't like, we like Gina Better,

'cause she's so wimpy and everybody adored her. It wasn't like she was fighting, but she just knows what she wants and says what she wants. - Were you trying to figure out how she had become that way?

That would have been my great fascination. It's like, how did she end up this way? - I did. - It took a bit of a minute. I've never thought about how did she manage to be that way.

She was the oldest of many siblings. - She's a boss, yeah, yeah. - She might have also just decided or understood that her value was more than just, how she looked or being this very female presence

that she offered something else. She offered thoughts and for brain and something like that. - Exactly. - And she offered it. - It seems like it should be.

- It seems a little bit natural, yeah. - But it's not like that. - But it sure wasn't for me. - Not for a lot of women, it's hard. - Now what's interesting is,

everyone now will recognize that movie is like this very seminal feminist movie, but I don't think I even realized this to a research in you that that was not the takeaway of the time when it came out.

- Right. - But it was one of the weird things that were happening around that movie 'cause it was wildly successful. - Right.

A lot of the reviewers had a problem with it. Like a week after it came out, Susan and I were on the cover of Time, but there were two editorials denouncing the movie about how bad this is.

This is a horrible idea and a lot of reviews were like, this is male bashing. (laughing) - This bashing, there's hopefully a difference between men and men and women.

- And there's seven important male characters and oh my God, what a horrible message. Now the women have guns. - Oh my God. - So it was really frowned out,

but it didn't impact its success. People really liked it and it did well. - But culture was not very yet. - So you got nominated for that movie. - And Susan too.

- And Susan as well, we did talk about Susan a lot. So I don't want to be accused of now. I got to talk about the one man I'm going to be. - Oh no, but I'm so in love with him. I was just so head over here.

- I know. - Or because I told it's just gorgeous, I don't. - Are we kidding? - Oh, you're me. - Oh, you're me.

- Because I was like the piano. - Oh. - He's nude in the piano, which I appreciate. Or because I tell. - Yeah, but obviously Brad Pitt,

this is his breakout role. - Yes, yes. - Did you think when you were watching like,

“yeah, this motherfucker is gonna really be a thing?”

- He's a star. - Or no. - I didn't think this motherfucker. (laughing)

- This wonderful, he never been.

- Yeah. - It's just gonna be all bad. I was positive that the ration he got was the reaction. He was gonna get it. - And you have a nice fun glimpse of him

because you have a glimpse of him. Probably more aws Chuck C. Missouri boy than this,

- Absolutely. - Yes, what was he like back then? - Oh, God, yeah, he was so fun. So sweet, so excited, so happy to be doing it, and playful.

“Also, as I think you could tell in the way he plays the character,”

but he was just having fun with everything

and loose and for his first really big role,

he just killed it. - Was everyone in love with him? - Yeah, sure. - Well done. - We still are.

- We still are. - But I have to tell you a funny story. Did you hear about my George Clooney story? - No. - I was getting on a plane in Europe one time,

and all the flight attendants were waiting at the door. For me, to show up and they said, "Guess, who you're sitting next to?" - George Clooney. - Oh my God.

- What's my life?

I said the right thing at the right time,

and I said, "Guess who he's sitting next to." - That's right, that is right. - But I was like, I can't believe I came up with that. - Oh, good for you. - So I sat down, he's charming, he's gregarious,

he's telling stories and we're talking, and then at one point he says, "You know, I hate that bread pit." I said, "Isn't it like your best friend?" He said, "No, I hate him,

because he got the part in some of the ways." I said, "Oh, oh, really did you want that part?" And he said, "Couldn't you tell when I auditioned with you?" - Oh, wow. - You had read with you?

- Yes. - That's hilarious. Were you embarrassed? - I'm so wimpy.

“I didn't say, "No, I didn't remember you at all, huh."”

You know, I said, "Oh, right, no, I did." - Oh, no.

- He would have laughed if I said.

- Of course he would have. - I might have done the same thing. - Yeah. - No, he would have made someone feel like they were unmatched. - Well, he made, he made her feel like,

you don't remember, then you can be like, "I don't." - Oh, that's a take. - That's a Susan Tate, so Susan would have done. - Yeah, I think it's like, 'cause I've been in this position a bunch of times.

It's like the last thing you want is to tell someone, "Oh, yeah, you're unmemorable." Not like, "Hey, I've met 11,000 people this year." - But he is putting her on the position. It's one thing if he is just like,

"Oh, yeah, I auditioned with you." Then you might be like, "Oh, I know, I remember." Like, then you want to make it them feel good. But if it's like, you know, remember, it's a trap. (laughs)

- So then 92 league of your own comes along. This is a huge triumph as well. Open number one, 10th biggest movie of the year. You Tom Hanks Madonna had Madonna done much before then acting. Yeah. I don't think so. If it was after that. Yeah, I'll for sure be to was. Yeah, and we didn't know what it took.

“Thank you. I was going to have an entourage. She was so normal, low key team player. Yeah, for people listening today, you have to imagine Taylor Swift's signature. Oh, yeah. I mean, and then some right.”

Madonna was beyond. Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, on. She was already an icon, but she was still very young. Were you guys bros? Did you get on well? All of us got a long great. I was mostly close with with Laurie Petty. This is again in your book. This is another one of the things like you had done no athletics. And then you have to be the best baseball player a long time. Anyone has ever seen right. But you took to a really quickly you surprised yourself. I surprised everybody. I think, but everybody else had been training in baseball for a while, but I had to catch up. And the coaches soon started to sing.

You know, you have a lot of untapped athletic ability. I'm like, and did I ever think I was going to hear that? That's crazy. And I did it. I pulled it off. I think definitely. But I could really play up to this point. You've had a really wonderful incremental everything. It's a little better than the last thing. Had you settled into like, of that'll be the pattern, or were you looking around and going like, no, everyone takes it on the chin. I will also take it on the chin. What were you thinking? Do you think it was just going to be a completely linear rise and all the movies would work?

Of course it decreases, but not only nobody asked me, but I haven't even thought about what did I think. Because we got to go back to 1992 for this question is a minute ago. I think I felt like things are going to work out pretty good. I didn't have a feeling like, well, I've been the lead or one of the leads and two movies in a row. You know, I gear apart and nominated for a ball. When he's winning, I go and go up. All of the proof is there. Yeah, I don't know what I thought. I honestly don't remember what I thought or if I was surprised that didn't happen or anything.

I didn't have nearly the run you had, but I did have a run where I had a few hits in a row, and they were all things that shouldn't have been hits. And I went, oh, well, duh. Now when I go to this movie, that's got a big budget with a great director. Who fucking knows what's going to happen? And then like that movie didn't work. And I was like, oh, Jesus, now what? I thought for sure, okay, we made it out of the 10 year fucking doldrums. We're finally it's happening. And then I will climb up to this wrong of the ladder and then very rude awakening like, no, if you have a couple in a row that don't work, it's rough.

If you haven't seen long kiss tonight, if you haven't seen it, watch it tonight.

Let me hear you with the premise. She is a housewife kind of mom type lady. She has a bad wife. She gets amnesia. Oh, she hasn't had her head. I mean, it doesn't realize she had amnesia. It's before born. It's kind of born. And then slowly starts realizing after an accident that she's got skills she can't experience. And she's actually in a assassin. Oh, cool. Very boring. Yeah. It's a great. The script's great. You're a fucking brilliant. The premise is perfect. And then Sam Jackson come on.

“What's that line he has like, you ask him if he's Mormon. He's like, yeah, that's why I just had two Jack and coax in a pack of new ports or some show like that.”

It's some great line. So great. He was just coming off of Pulp fiction, yep. Were you so pumped to work with him? Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. And then he's the greatest guy. That's the coolest dude. The coolest dude ever. Oh, all we did was laugh and have fun. We had so much fun. But it didn't work. That one did fine. We thought it was gonna. The movie before the cut throat island was in the Guinness Book world record is the biggest financial.

That's been way blown away by now. Yeah. Even when I see the price of that movie, it's kind of cute.

She's like 110 million. Oh, no. Oh, God.

Yeah. Now people are writing off like 400 million. Exactly.

“No, no. How did you process that heartbreak of that?”

You're also married to the director. I'm guessing when I've had movies have failed that I wrote and directed. I've got three months or I'm just depressed. You know, I did that for two and a half years and now that happened. Oh, I did. And I'm naturally gonna be depressed. Right. And now of my wife was also shouldering that same thing. I don't know who's available to nurture her. Yeah. Well, you could kind of had to nurture each other through that.

And we knew we had lung kiss coming up. So that helped. But I was going to tell you about the pirate movie. Wait, Antoni. Cut through it. Cut through it. Yeah. So cut through it. I learned it was going to star Michael Keaton. He asked Rene. I was already with Rene and maybe married already. He wanted some substantial actress to play the female part, which was much smaller than his and all that.

“So he was begging Rene to get me to do it. I was like, I think I really do want to do it.”

And Rene was begging you, wait, please, please. Yes, that part stressful. Oh, it was very stressful. Yeah. Yeah. Like you wanted to do your husband or wife of whatever favor they want.

But also, I don't want to gamble my career. Yeah. So anyway, I finally got my arm twisted enough that I said that I would do it.

And then Michael eventually dropped that. He just suddenly, I'm not doing it. And Rene and I, I mean, he wasn't that crazy about the script either. And so we were like, oh, we're getting out of it. We don't have to do it. Oh, my God. Yeah. We're like dancing around. And then Maria Casar was Caralco was the producers. And I had the same agency as Michael and I thought, well, easily I'll get out of this. And they were told, no, there's no way Junus get out of this. She is doing it. We'll sue her. Or just Michael Douglas get to get out of it. I don't get to get out of it.

I don't know how lonely a small potatoes come from. It was a Michael Douglas or Michael Keaton. Michael Douglas. Oh, Michael Douglas. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Michael Douglas. So God. Oh, we gotta do it. And we got Matthew McGee who was fabulous in it in a great guy and a lot of fun, but it was really against our will. Right. So those ones that didn't feel right from the jump and then turned up. So maybe we learned like a gut intuition lesson off of that one. Well, yeah, I don't get talked in and it's like ever again. But we went into it with a good will in a and I trained to trade to do pyroidal stuff.

Yeah, you learned to swallow. I buckled my spot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had to learn horseback riding on that stall. Stay tuned for our shared expert. If you dare. Okay. I just one fun thing that people certainly want to know is that in 99 you tried out for the US Olympic archery team. Why? Why? Why did I do it? No, which you had started in 97. So you'd only been doing it for two years. Two and a half. And what you would see it in something. Why did you even get interested? I had to learn to play baseball and then I had to learn. Swashrock. You know, I'd horseback riding again, going shooting and then ice skating and going shooting while ice skating for lunch is good night. All of these skills and I was kind of good at all of them.

I think I'd like to take up a sport in real life and not the movie version of it because no matter what, if I didn't catch the ball, that didn't do it other take.

Yeah. Put in the stunt double. So then I was just watching the Olympics on TV in Atlanta and there was a lot of coverage of archery because the American men's team was winning all the medals. And I thought, you know, that's really beautiful and it's very dramatic. And I didn't learn how to shoot pistols really well and it's kind of a weapon. So I thought, I'm going to try archery and fabric coach and became utterly obsessed with it. Like how frequently are you doing it practicing every day like four or five hours four or five hours in your what backyard shooting on a haybell. No, no, it'll be stupid.

No, I was just a hey bill to not stop an arrow. You really have to be somewhere safe to do that. So I go to a range and meet with my coach constantly. And then he told me I had to start competing and I was like, oh, no, I'm not anywhere near. He said, no, it's about getting better. You go to get better. So I'm competing and then I won the California Cup one year. Wow. And he said, what you liked about it is it was objective versus how subjective your career was exactly are you hitting the target or die.

“Do you think it was a sound for dealing with the kind of disappointment and uneasiness about what was next?”

Because again, it's a controlling back to the compulsive behavior. It's like repetitive.

It's a singular very you know, narrowed your world, which is scary right now and unpredictable to a red dot. I mean, this all feels very regulating. Yes, very regulating and very specific and I had the time. I didn't work that soon after lunch. It's good night. So I had two and a half years to go to the Olympic trials. I qualified as a semi-finalist for the Olympic. Three hundred people entered new finish 24 or the final. No, it was three hundred people at the National Tournament and then they took the top thirty two could be in semi-finals.

You're in those. Yeah. And then you somehow got a wild card and went to Athens. That was insane. So Sydney built all of their venues way before they hosted the Olympics and a year before it, they tried out every single sport. I had the top people come and just to run it and make sure everything was necessary. Yeah. And so the real team went, they said, you could come to it. So I got to wear the uniform and walk out of the music and everything. It was so fun. Oh, my gosh, man. I didn't win that one though.

That's okay. That's okay. You got to go. How old were you when you had your daughter? 46. Okay. So I wonder if you have, I have such great gratitude for waiting to 38, right? There were so many times when both little kids are screaming. Where I'm like, oh, man, I don't know if I would have the patience for this in my 20s. Also, my career was sorted enough.

“I guess all the mountains I was trying to climb tire to that. And so this, I could really, do you have that kind of gratitude for waiting later?”

Or do you get moments where you got, I should've done this 20 years earlier?

No, no. I always was grateful that it was later. And I felt like it was important that I had a stronger sense of self who I was.

Yeah, because you're going to have to model what it is to be a moment in this society of ours. But you're watching children's programming with her when she's like two. And you start noticing a lot of little boys in these shows. I did the very first thing I showed her. I had her on my lap and I'm thinking, oh, this is great. It's a preschool show. I think it's because of thumb and Louise. And it really heightened my awareness of how women are portrayed.

Because women had so few opportunities to come out of a movie, feeling empowered by the female characters.

“So I immediately noticed that they seemed to be far more male characters. I even looked it up.”

And they had one female character in this large cast. And I was like, well, that's weird. And then rented a video and it was like that. A movie that came out and I'd go, wait a minute. Yeah. And you were thinking, what I would be thinking, which is like, oh, this has already been fixed.

I had thought that. Yeah, we're like, we're 12 years past. Thelma and Louise, I assume this has been strained out. Oh, right. Absolutely. And then I immediately kind of went global with it because I'm like, wait, so we're training kids from minute one to have unconscious gender bias.

How can they not get it when every single situation has one female. Turn out to be three to one. Two little resculs, you know, like putting a Darla in that network. Yeah, we got it. We got Darla back to the voice.

How could a young girl not into it?

Well, there's one third as many role.

One fourth is many opportunities for me. Like, I guess you recognize that. That's the world I'm entering. Right. And also, how are boys aren't going to recognize that they're more important in the girl.

Yeah, right. So they even go to care about the female character. They're being told what's important. Right. So, but you had a novel approach to addressing this.

Well, I went to the Olympics in it. Everything I do. I had to be careful about taking it up because, yeah, yeah. Whatever it is, I want to go to the Olympics. But I asked people constantly in the industry, whatever meeting I had, whoever it was,

“I'd say, have you ever noticed how few female characters there are in entertainment made for kids?”

And every single person said, Oh, no, no, no, that's not too anymore. No, that's been fixed. And they said, we fixed it on our studio and our production company, whatever. And they would very often name a movie with one female character as proof that gender inequality was not a thing anymore.

As an example, we have Obama's a president racism zone. Exactly. So it made me realize this is utterly unconscious. And they think it's not true. So if I was able to with data show them that it is true,

this big imbalance. Maybe they will want to change. So I sponsored this largest research study ever done on kids TV and movies. Through the Animal School at USC, where then your partner was? That was incredible.

At that time, yes. And then started visiting anybody who makes children's entertainment. The first studio that we went to, we finished the presentation. And their heads were in their hands. Their jaws were on the ground. They were like, how did we not notice?

All we care about is doing right by kids.

And we never thought of this.

Because at that time, the conclusion of your study right was it was three boys to every girl. Right. And the lead characters, it was 11 to one. Oh, wow. To a lead female character.

And crowd seems that everything were wildly about. So we went everywhere. Everybody was horrified and everybody started changing. Wow. And that was 2004.

Where are we now?

“I think 2020 was the dad I read, even four years ago.”

Where was it? Yeah, now we're at parity and children's. Wow. That's amazing. Oh, my God.

Yeah. You should be so proud of your son. Yeah. That's incredible. Yeah, the latest study we did.

We looked specifically at new kids programs that just came out. And it was 50. Oh, my goodness. That is so amazing. So I didn't accomplish.

Of all your accomplishments, I hope that's maybe one of your highest. That's incredible. She also created the Benton Film Festival. Bentonville. Are you friends with one of the Walton's?

Is that a Walton project? No. Walmart came up with the idea actually of having film festival that focused on diversity. And somehow thought of me. Probably not somehow.

Yeah. The most seminal feminist movie ever. Yeah. I co-founded it. A cool thing about the Walton's is to get their inheritance, all the children.

They have to take on a large public works project and make their community better. So like Bentonville's is very weird town in the middle of Arkansas. Right. Yeah. But they have like one of the best museums in the world.

They may have the best bicycle parkway, right?

They have all these like incredible installations because of how they get their

inherent, which is so cool. And Alice Walton just built the best medical school ever built.

“And I think it's either free or something.”

Oh, wow. If you agree to stay in the area. Yeah. Yeah. It's this pocket of a aggressive explosion.

It's incredible. With like some of the best art pieces in the world. It's hilarious. You can imagine one day Bentonville being like this weird. Eat and make it look great into all these public works projects.

Wow. Okay. The burrows. Yes. Watching it and I love it.

It's sleeping Netflix by storm, right? I think I saw number one. Oh, yeah. But this is so wonderful and encouraging. Okay.

So the burrows. You explain how you want to explain it. I'm going to use a reference that only people my age will like. But what I want to hear how you would set it up. It takes place in a fancy fancy retirement community.

I want to live there. It looks very appealing. That's been my dream life. I want to live in a camp. Right.

But adults go off part of a board. Great. They say, well, now we're going to go canoe. Okay. Now we're going to take a field trip.

Okay. That was lunch. That was lunch. I don't have to decide anything. Yeah.

That's what I want. So retirement community. And it focuses on a group of friends live all in the same color. And then something spooky. And dangerous starts happening.

All of our stranger things. It's tougher, brothers.

I don't know. There's a creature. Is he an alien? Is he a weird animal? He a monster from your childhood.

Monster. Oh. Right. Well, I like about it.

“And I hope you take this as a compliment because I fucking love this moving.”

And it speaks to how much it transcended that I would have watched this movie at 10 and loved it. But cocoon is still one of my favorite movies ever. Do you remember cocoon? Oh yeah.

There are these. Do you ever see cocoon monograph? There are these alien pods. These little cocooning aliens are in a swimming pool. And it's giving them magic powers.

And they all get very useful.

Now what's incredible is if you've ever seen the Instagram post.

That says all of their ages from that movie. No. They weren't really that old. Brimly was like 52 years old. Oh my god.

Oh my god. I don't think anyone in the cast is over 60. Maybe on Arkana or something. But nobody's even over 60. And we watch it movie like, oh, look at these grandpa's episode.

Oh. That crazy. That's crazy. It is. Same with Golden Girl.

Yeah. Like Golden Girl. They were all young.

“Still get his was like almost the same age as her daughter.”

Yeah. Yeah. These were like, in their 40s on me. Yeah. It's like when we tie it in grandma.

Did they think people just couldn't stand it. Actually watch old people. It's such a different time. Oh, maybe it didn't. I've had this moment several times where it's like,

I get offered a role in the character has an 18 year old or a 24 year old. And I'm like, yeah, that's correct chronologically. I just think this job has a very weird ability to remind you in a very cruel way of how old you are all the time. Yes. You're like, you're getting things like, oh, I'm someone with a terminal disease.

That's who I'm playing. That's where we're at. So did you have any like shock of like, yeah, it makes sense that I would be in a show about this? Yes. I was like that.

But like you, I mean, I turned down any number of roles because the character had adult children or grandma. And I was like, at no time on earth, I got to play grandma. Yeah. But no, I was very whatever age I was, but I don't even want teenage kids.

Yeah. Yeah. But this made sense. I've been on a couple shows where the older cast members are going to have to die, right? Like I was on this great show parenthood and Craig T. Nelson who's just a blessing.

Yeah. He's going to play someone's dying. I mean, a vaguely of old age. You know, like just a heart thing, but still.

“And I just remember talking to him, you know what I mean?”

Like, is this tricky dude? Like, I think it would be tricky for me to go like, wait, this makes sense to everybody that I'd be playing someone that might drop dead right now? Like, this is a lot I think to contend with. Exactly.

Well, the good thing I think something I really like about this show is we're all very able. We can battle dangerous things. And there's no beats about how we can even get up there. Right. No, but there is a scene where you're all showing off your scars.

That's true. And everyone's had a massive operation, right? Everyone's so good. They're all fine cut-outs. And so is that they're back home.

You've had your hip replacement.

First, I just love the show.

It's so good. Your character is so fun. You're kind of the vixen of the scene. You're an ex-music manager. So you're like hip and cool.

And you drive a cool, fairly convertible. And you're awesome. You're a rock star. But I was like, we are still a little bit caught in the notion like you wouldn't be in a retirement community. In reality, they need to be 15 years older.

Everything's changed. When I was young, all 70-year-olds were in retirement communities. That's not how it is now. It's not how it is now. And my character is the only one who didn't plan to go there.

My mom bought that house and I had to take care of her. care of her and I also lost all my money and that I just ended up staying. But a few times I refer to the fact that I don't really belong here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Had you worked with Alpha

Melina or Bill Paulman before? This is my third thing with Bill Paulman. My third project with

Ed Bigley Jr. I've done three with him as well. Really? What a sweetest. Is it his sweetest? Oh, love. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is great. This sounds like it's doing like anti-agism. Work. Yeah. You have a very young lover. He's for it. Yeah. He's 30 years younger than me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fun. But Renee is like, so what? Yeah. Yeah. That's great. feeling very confident and so see and everyone's winning. But I will say I was watching it with my wife and our 13-year-old and 11-year-old

I'm going to bring this up to everyone. And I said during that scene, we're watching the

“sexy scene with you guys. And I said, isn't it crazy you guys that we have seen at this point”

a thousand movies where the age gap was this, but it was a guy and the woman. And you don't notice, but this is highly noticeable. Yes. And isn't that really something like let's just talk about that for a minute. It really is. You want to think about Michael Douglas's and something and he's got a 40-year-old. You know, you just, yeah, it happens all the time in films. You don't even notice, but this is very noticeable. Right. Yeah. Because we're not used to it. That's not it.

Yeah. Yeah. It's always seen something for you to get to talk about with your kids,

like an opportunity. Right. Right. To hear what these young girls think about that. Like, oh, why are we seeing this for the first time? Yeah. That's so cool. You're right. I really dig that. We're watching something from the 70s or 80s and something narrowly happens. You know, it just doesn't happen that way anymore. Like the way guys are talking to women or something. And we're just pausing me like, what do you guys think of this? Oh, that's so cool.

That was great. It's standard business. In the 80s that was like standard guys would just

“say shit like that to women. And you know, what do we, what do we think about this?”

I was figured to watch it with your kids when my kids were, I watched everything with them. Because I felt like I could be their media interpreter. I would say, why do you think she's wearing that if she's going to go rescue somebody? Did you notice, do you think girls could do what all those boys are doing? And why do you think there's more? So you got to the point where I needed it if I just went like this like, oh, I know, I'm not enough girls in that same

way. I know. I know. Yeah. It's so great. That's the best part though. Kids are supposed to fuck with their moms. My wife's constantly talking about what neurologists she just saw on Instagram and what new hack we have. And soon as my wife starts talking, either girls like this one here neurologist from Instagram or did you actually, yeah, and they're like 11 and 13. We're going to die. That's hilarious. Okay. Last thing I want to talk about is you just kind of went viral

second weekend of Coachella. You were a guest at the Sabrina Carpenter show.

Yeah, not just a guest. I was on stage. Oh, yes. I guess guest means you're an attendance. No, you are on stage in a convertible catalog or something like that. Very much thumb and Louise ask and Susan had done it the weekend before. Oh, man. I had no idea when she did that. I thought, oh, that's cool. I had no idea they were then going to ask me to do it. But that was wild. Does Sabrina Carpenter herself call you? No. I mean, they called my agent her people that I

guess, but she was the one that wanted me to do it. Yeah. What do you think of her? I love her so much. And she was so wonderful and person and so charming and gave me a t-shirt. I guess the title of her show was Sabrina Wood. It's just everyone that said Gina Wood. Oh, cute. I loved it. It was so fun. But I didn't expect it to blow up like that. Somebody said you're trying to get her like, what? Yeah,

you never know what's coming. It never did. I have so much gratitude for her, for Taylor Swift.

I've taken our daughters to both those performers. Oh, that's great. For them to be little girls watching these women who have created a true matriarchy. They have their own world and they are the top of that world. They don't have to suffer any fools. They're in charge. There weren't a lot of ton of examples like that. And now there's a ton. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. Yeah. It is. Yeah. I'm delighted that that happened. Had you ever been to Coachella? No.

“No, I mean either. No. I think that's the way I want to go. The first time I want to be on stage.”

We're giving it to the biggest, the most powerful performance of the night. Exactly. Okay. And then lastly, where are you at? Are you still susceptible to if a guy likes you or have we evolved in that? If a guy just simply likes you, is that enough anymore? No, not enough. That's not enough anymore. Yeah, I just said that. And what did you learn when that shifted when you started thinking, wait, what do I like? Is that what it was? It's a right. I had been

attracted to extroverted fleshy shiny men. And now not so much anymore. So prep hit doesn't have a chance now. Actually, well, it's actually, well, it makes it exactly. I exclude him. The pool of bachelor's was a visitor. Oh, well, Gina, I adore you for real. Since the early long kiss tonight, it's one of the first films I think I owned on Blu-ray that I just love it. I'm so in the mood to watch it again, I can't wait to show my daughters. It's an honor to meet you.

Yeah, I'm really excited. I just want to tell you one thing about lecture tonight. Sam and I. Well,

And in the original script, Sam's character dies. So we re-shot the last scene and made him live. And I know it's all these years later, but we still salmon I talked about. We're dying to do a sequel. Oh, I would love to know. Well, I know, but we've got to get somebody to do it. I know, nominate Netflix. Yeah, if you're there, you're crushing. They want to be in the Gina business now.

“Gina what? Let's get, yeah, Gina. Would Gina do a sequel? Yeah, Gina what?”

Yeah, Gina is open to a sequel. All right. Well, lovely meeting you. Thanks for the work you've done on the gender parity with good shows. And hopefully that moves upstream all the way. And everyone watch the burrow. Thanks so much, Gina. Thank you. This is really fun. Oh, yeah. Just a quick reminder that as part of our summer break, here's a rerun of one of our favorite fact checks. I got my haircut today. Barb did my hair. Barb, did you find Barb? Barb,

chopstick. What'd you say? Don't ever say. No, what do you say? Barb Thompson. Thompson, okay. She's awesome. She's on my hair before. She did it for a gala. Okay. One of the only gals I've

ever been to. And she's always the bridesmaid never a gala. I know. And she said you did a great job.

You're on your hair out on your legs. Oh, don't look. I just haven't shaped. Oh, but I didn't know

“if you were making a decision like everyone's making. That was a fair question. What happened?”

This, I can't believe you did that. I was, well, I want to celebrate you if you were embracing that. No, okay. I take care of my hair. Okay. I just haven't. And it's hot out. Yeah, that's great. You can you understand there's a movement where women aren't shaving anymore. I thought maybe you're joining that movement. It was really actually self-conscious. Oh, I mean, it works. Notice. And I was like, there's no way in anyone will notice. And you notice immediately. I'm very observant. You know this

about me. I know. I don't miss a thing. It just takes a long time to shave. Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I shaved my arms now. I have all this money tied up needs to choose. I want them to be visible. That makes sense. Well, you know, I also, I have to groom my arms, my legs, my armpit, my vagina parts. Yeah, and I feel terrible for you. I've sent that now that I'm now that I'm grooming a lot. Yeah, it sucks. Speaking of how's the cashmere? We haven't even seen it in a while.

We know there's a real producer as Delta. Yeah. Are you collecting? Yeah, yeah, we're. It's growing. Although I may have a big, I might have a, I'm now thinking I might have a nice deposit in the drawer

“in my bathroom. I think maybe I haven't transferred some to the main storage. Okay, great.”

Okay, I had been wanting to tell you a story. Oh, yeah. Okay, so we all went to Monster Jam on Saturday. Yeah, who's, describe we all. Okay, so we all is Charlie in the boys, Ace and Wilder, the two handsomeist men in Los Angeles. And then my girls, Lincoln and Delta, and then Delta's friend. Fun. Yeah, and then Eric. Eric. Yeah, that's all. So we went. It was immediately fun. It's so fun. Monster Jam, so fun. We got to ride in the like 12 passenger monster truck. That's great.

I was kind of not clocking any of this, but apparently Delta and her friend had brought their

two most important stuffies in a red bag. I didn't know that. I probably would have been like,

maybe we don't bring them into the event. Can you describe the stuffies? Yes, it's imperative that people understand the stakes here. So anyone that knows Delta would know her son's rude. Oh, my god. I mean, I don't even count grew to the stuffy when you said that wasn't thinking of him. He's a real boy. He really is a robot. I don't know that I've ever seen, and I had very deep relationships with my stuffies. I had three bears that I loved and I thought about them and if I was gone too long,

I felt guilty like I was very in touch and close with. What are their names? I don't, I didn't name them. This one was a polar bear, one was a brown bear, and one was like a, and, um, koala bear. They were different breeds. So I didn't breed species. So you just said koala polar.

I just never was like, you never called them. I was just squeezing them and feeling guilt.

So what if like it was downstairs and you had to tell your mom like, oh my god, polar is missing. That never, like, it would never happen. I would never. Blue's track. It never. Okay. And they didn't

Okay, but to put like this in perspective, group goes everywhere with us.

“Group has truly a bigger wardrobe than Delta. He has many different jammies. He has swimwear.”

He has like Delta's birthday shall often ask for clothes for group. That mostly it's all she asks for. It's things for group. And he has books. He reads and he's an artist. And she makes him dinner and he likes it. So it's such a huge part of her life. Yeah. And then I didn't know this. I learned this recently about group. She was kind of explaining what was going out with him athletically. And then I said, is group disabled? Oh, and she said, yeah, group is disabled.

And I said, oh, what's his disability? And she said, well, he's half tree and half boy, so he needs to breathe carbon dioxide as a tree, but he needs to breathe oxygen as a boy. So his lungs are like half dedicated to breathing. And so that's kind of an impairment for his

“cardiovascular. Additionally, this is all real. Like I didn't even know group was disabled.”

Well, I didn't even know. But I just had a hunch. There was some ways she was talking about his athleticism and his outfit. I don't know I asked him. And he is. And then she went on to tell me another challenge he has is he's got both veins. And then he also has to have plumbing for the water. So it's like his body sharing a lot of. Wow, double duty. Double duty, also his bark hasn't come in and that's going to make a more stable. Oh, wow. Yes, it was a lot going on.

Okay. Wow. And I'm going to be honest, I love group. Like he's also my grandson. And when we snuggle at night, I go, I want a little time with group. So yes, it'd be my love to live. No, no, no, I just I will want, grew to my left, no, can delta my right, not cure for all light together.

But she's got to give me some cram or anything. Okay, never mind. Anyone. No, I don't

like that. Okay, good. I'm afraid, I know. Because you like him in your neck and like like a kid, like a kid. Yeah, like a little baby boy. So okay. So great time, we're having the best time. Now we're up in the this huge sweet. There's like 50 people in there. It's a blast tactic. And delta comes up like mid show. Again, I'm going to say I've said it before. There's no better show on earth, the master gym. It starts and it doesn't let up. Race, race, race, race, race,

stun, stun, stun, stun. So it's a party where eating food. And then delta comes up to me. And she is she's passed. Oh, like she's, I don't want to say she's hyperventilating. She is so scared and panicked. And she said, we don't we lost group. And I'm like, what do you mean? I didn't even know group was in here. We lost the bag. So her friend was in charge of carrying the bag. She brought it in here. Someone maybe stole it or whatever. I'm like, we know and stole it. Everyone that came

is still here. No one left mid, you know. So now we start scouring all the bathrooms in there and then we go through systematically and we look under every single chair. This takes 35, 40 minutes. I'm missing the monster. Jam. You can hear it still. I can hear it. That is helpful. And I say at some point, okay, it's not in here, which means it didn't, it didn't come up here. Oh. Now we arrived and we went right out onto the, to the arena floor to take that ride. So it's like we're seven stories up. That was

pre show. I don't, so now it's really nice. Take him into the monster truck. Yes, so well, here it becomes the investigation. So then currently, I, I'm like, oh, I made a video of them get, I'm like, did they even bring the bag out of the car? Right. Okay. I took pictures. Yeah, there's the red bag. Then I have footage of them getting on to the monster truck and she's carrying

the bag. We don't have footage of them getting off. But I'm like, but this is she would have never

set it down in the elevator on the walk. It definitely had to get left in the truck. So now, exactly.

“And we're now mid show. This is hours later. And I, and is that truck like out on the thing?”

No, that truck is now been already put in a trailer to go to the next monster jam. So I like this is like my friend Sally, who I've been, you know, going to monster jam was Sally as our host for, I don't know, eight years now. Yeah. She's an incredible lady. She's an armchair. Oh, shout out. She's so sweet. And I'm like, I don't know what else to do, but like here's the situation. She's a mom. She put out a full court press. Oh, look, I, okay. I'll try to get

semi to get into this monster. So like an hour goes by in Delta's really like, she lost her son.

Oh, my God. And I'm, I'm very pessimistic. I'm like, who knows? They set that bag down. Anyway, there was so many bags and so many things and so much equipment. It's in an arena. So I was really, really pessimistic. And then the show ends. And then we just sit there for another 45 minutes while the whole place clears out. We're kind of like waiting to see if they're going to find group.

“And then she says, well, you guys are free to, if you want to just wait in the car. So I always”

we go sit in the car now. And then I get a text and say, like, it's a picture of her and she's a lady and she's holding the bag. She found the bag in a random golf cart somewhere. No, yeah, it was on its way to the trash. On its way to a sex trafficking. Oh my God. Oh my God. What a tail. Oh my God. It was the amount of relief I fell. So obsessed scary. When that bag returned, you know, I was starting to think about what our next two weeks to a month. Like I was like,

this is going to imagine when it's like to lose your son. You never get over it. Yeah,

it's going to be devastating in a way that I'm not sure how we're all going to deal with. We lost group forever. That is. And then I said to her, I was like, once we had group. I was like, you know, I started thinking like, what do I do? What would you have wanted me to find the same group? And she's like, no. Yeah, because it's real. And he's real. And there's no replacing them. Well, and so she answered our long lasting question about would you clone? Would you clone your

dog or your kid? She wants it. She's like me. Yeah, she is. I guess she has ethics. I don't know what

“that means ethically. Oh, God. That's why. But okay, if he had gone in the monster truck and then”

got sent to the next monster truck show, that's a kid's book. That's a children's book. And like,

they love them and he becomes kind of a mascot for a monster. Yeah, but then he returns back home. Yeah, but he's like, now he choose tobacco and he's grown up a little bit. We have different differences of this story. Well, he's on the monster gym tour. Yeah, he is. He's not going to like symposiums on physics. But he's very, it's a very toy story. Yes, yes. He could have been in a real adventure. I don't think all the dust from the monster truck would be good for his lungs.

Well, not given what I've learned about this yet. Now, what if like the driver of grave digger found him and so he keeping him on the dash? Oh, and we could like then we were watching and he was riding on the dash. Probably. Oh, my God. That's terrifying. Oh, it was really an event. Yeah, so I missed a good half of monster gym. Both looking for and then panning over. Oh, Sally, it really hurt. Oh, my God, the hero of all heroes. Wow. Yeah, I mean, if you were to ask me at

some point what I would pay for his say for turn, it would have been embarrassing. I know, but that's that's life. It's like, you can't, you can't buy health. Well, actually, I mean to an

“extent, you can't, which is a problem. But, you know, yeah, that's why health isn't those important”

thing we have. And just being there, I guess. Yeah, being present. Well, I'm also grateful because I immediately got codependent for the girl. So, can you imagine? No, I know. So, that was all happening. She now feels so guilty and she's crying. That's as crying inconsolably. Yep. Her friends crying and I'm like the dad watching. And so I would keep going, oh, sweetie, it's totally okay. Delta should have been carrying her own bag. It's not that nice. Yeah, I was

like trying to comfort her and trying to comfort Delta. Her group is in there, too. Oh, it is. She's got the double whammy. She's lost her stuffy and she lost Delta's stuffy. Who is her stuffy? I didn't get a good gander at it once. They were all reunited. I didn't even know we were bringing stuffy. It's not anymore. I hope not. And then, okay, now, this is the thing that we go back to. We've been talking about this the last few episodes. I'm like, and I'm talking

to Charlie and Eric. I'm like, you know, all I got to do is keep trying to find group and not say, this is why we don't breathe. What you want to say is apparent is this is why we don't bring Delta's to sporting events. And I was like, she has learned that lesson. I don't need to tell her that she is in major discomfort. And so I let it go. But then I, on the way home, I was just saying how

he's just so valuable. We got a big sure that we're safe when we bring a place. She goes, but he can't just be a boy that lives at home and doesn't go and do things. I can't just be protecting them from it. I'm like, I know that's a great point. But there's a ton of things we can take them to so he's not stuck in the house, but that are also maybe not so distracting as monster. This is complex. Because this is how you feel about your kids. This is how you parent them.

You're like, you know, they're, I'm going to let them go explore the world. And another person can say, look, they're a little too valuable for that. Don't let them just go down the street to Ralph. Right. Where there's crazy. Yeah. Um, so looks like she's. She's inherited my parents. It's like it's virtually. Yeah. In this case. Wow. Yeah. I'm grateful. I'm so grateful. I would have been to stand. Yeah. It would have been so sad if group. I mean, it would have been happy for

me if he was on an adventure, but we, we know that really he would have gone in the trap. Well, he's, he's so tax missing persons after like 48 hours. They're dead. Okay. So you think you might someone murder him? Trash. Okay. I just can't imagine holding that little guy. He's so sweet looking.

“Oh, no. I told him that's why I didn't know he had a disability because he's so smiley. I”

never know anything suffering from anything. He's in them perpetually great mood. Well, that's the

thing. Is it the best attitude? I've done sounded like there's some pain at companies. Okay. Yeah. No, I'm not sure. I can't trick her into getting like pain meds for her. I might see if we can get him out. Oh, my god. Oh, my god. Wow. That isn't quite an adventure. I'm yeah. I'm really glad that had a happy ending. Oh, me too. Anything fun happened to you? Yeah. Okay. So you've been gone a couple of days. Yeah. In the meantime, I've watched two full seasons of you. The show you

know which reminds me. I want to play the thing. That's a show about me. Exactly. It's about time that we revisit that because I'm watching it. Oh, it's such a great exchange. Okay. Let's more in-groom. Yeah. You want me to put on the TV? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's my favorite full of all time. And now it has extra meaning because I'm watching the show. Is it a great show? I love it. It has really Veronica Mars vibes. Oh, fun. But it's like Dexter meets

Veronica Mars. Oh, I never seemed extra. Okay. Let's watch this real quick. Yeah. You know, I was watching an episode of you where measles came up. Wait, wait, wait. When did I met the measles? I don't know. It was on you. What was on me? What are you talking about? I never had a measle. What's on you? I never did. We never did a measle. The vaccine episode. Oh my, is it the joke? I don't know. It was on you. It was on you. I never had

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I'm moving on to a deal.

I can't explain this to you.

Only talking. You! So stupid. So funny. It's a real life.

It's a real life. It's a real life. It really is. Yeah. Oh my god.

Anyway. So yeah. I started you. Random. It like popped up as the next.

This never works out. You are right. Auto. Auto. Or whatever.

And I was like, "Sure. Why not? Watch the whole thing."

“And then last night, it stayed up so late.”

I couldn't even look at the time.

It was too afraid to look. Oh wow. And watch all of season two. How many episodes in each time? So you watch 20 episodes.

You're like 45-ish minutes. Whoa. Oh my god. Okay. So it is Penn Badgerly from gossip girl.

I love it to back then. Dan Humphrey. Okay, Greg. And he recently, he has a podcast. But also I saw there's like an Instagram kind of viral video of him like dancing.

I wanted these. Talk shows. And I was like, "Well, well." In my opinion. Yeah.

And so I was like, "Oh, yeah. I love him." Oh, yeah. And then he's a dancing is attractive. You know what it is.

Okay. I'm going to circle back. I didn't say it wasn't. Right, right, right.

“He just didn't put a very high on the list.”

Yeah. But turns out it's really hot. Yeah. So anyway. Then it pops up.

And he's a stalker.

Oh, oh. There's like murder. He's a psychopath.

But there's a love story.

And he's hot. And it's confusing. Yeah. It's sexy. It's scary.

Yeah. It's very thin line for women there. Well, I know. I hated myself, of course. Sure.

I heard him say on an interview. Something like that. Or someone asked, "What do you think of when people say he's hot?" Yeah. He's a killer.

Right. So I saw that clip before I watched a show and I was like, "Yeah, he's right. This is crazy." Yeah. And then, of course, I'm like, "He's hot."

Yeah. He's also tricky because he's kind of a good boyfriend if he wasn't a murder and putting people in cages. Right. Yeah.

“Oh, who just was everyone obsessed with that source of murder?”

Was it recently someone that everyone thought was hot? Was it the United Health, the Sassan, the people like really morning for him? Luigi Luigi. That's real life. So I find that much more complicated.

I do not think he's hot. No. I don't think there's anything good about him. What do you think he was hot without the murder? Yeah.

You can't go back in time.

It's a very powerful eyebrows.

I don't think murder is hot in real life. And I don't think vigilantes are hot. Okay. I'm going to say that. Good to know.

There's a lot of people that are good for him. Oh, yeah. And I disagree. Yeah. Yeah.

I disagree. Holy. Yeah. I think that industry is evil. And I don't think you're allowed to kill people.

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So sometimes he does kill some people. I really don't lie.

Mm-hmm. And it is vigilante. And like, it's for kids. Mm-hmm. He's protecting.

Sometimes he protects kids. He's weird.

“He's like, kind of this like good friend.”

Hard to pin down. Makes messages. Really, really. Yeah. Excessages.

Yeah. Anyway, I am loving it. Oh, wow. That's great. Five seasons.

Oh, there's five.

Oh, so you're fucked for the whole week.

I know. So what time did you go to bed now? I really don't know. But I was so tired of my alarm. We're not fit nine.

Oh, okay. Yes. So I'm happy to talk to you. I probably three. Wow.

You're nasty. I can't help myself. I know. You're indulgent. And because I'm scared a little.

Like, it's very cliffhangery. It's very good at keeping you on the hook. Yeah. So I'm a little too scared in those scenarios to go to bed. Mm-hmm.

To know how it's completed, but they do a good job at the end of each season too. You never know. I did star episode three. But then I was like, Monica, no. Yeah, you got to stop.

I got to stop. So I turned it off about halfway through that. When I woke up this morning, after so much murder. Yeah.

“I was like, I think I need to take a break today.”

Uh-huh. Because it really gets infiltrated. And then I made me think this is what's happening with boys and video games. They're just, it's like a constant. They're living in this world that's dark and bleak and they're shooting people and stuff.

And then like reality starts to disappear. Mm-hmm. You're feeling that happened to you? Well, I just could see it. This is your own TV life.

This is, you think you're a per, you're a killer or you think you're a pervert. I don't, okay. In the show, it's a lot of voice over. Because you're hearing his thoughts. Yeah.

And so then today, I was kind of hearing my thoughts like that. Right. And I thought I needed to take a break. Yeah, take a little break. No, but I also really wanted to know what happened.

Keep going. Right. Let's see if there's anything else I want to talk about. You know, you're early on all this. It is, I get how it happened.

She's only so culpable. It was very confusing. But it was just... And he didn't do a good job. Like, he should have recognized what was going on much sooner.

And said, it's a television show on Netflix and the title is you. And the title is you, why, oh, you. Yes. And not Lauren. Good end of singing.

It's a show on Netflix called you. And she says, well, I don't know. But he did say, I was watching you about seven times before it's a show. It's so good. I almost feel like it's fake.

And I don't want to like look to it. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. It is such a genuine reaction from her.

All right. Well, that's it. Let's move into facts. Yeah, facts. Stay tuned for more armchair experts.

If you dare. So facts for Nick Kroll.

I keep thinking how funny that was when he said that.

Do you remember that? Yeah.

“And I'm here because I have daddy's money.”

Yeah. That was so funny. Also, I wrote down specifically. When he said sick little cutie. I left so hard.

It's sick little cutie. I thought that was the funniest. It was just a sick little cutie. Yeah. He was a man.

He was coughing and storming. He was in digestion there for a minute. I find it. It was great. Yeah.

And then I was kind of like, oh, sick little cutie is kind of like. My king. That is your king. Yeah. Sick little cutie.

That could be your clothing lines. Sick little cuties. Sick little cuties.

Anyway, it was just like really, maybe laugh.

He's so funny. But it's more than that. He's got that thing. Some people have where he is just like infinitely comfortable in his own skin, which is so appealing.

Yeah. It's a comforting personality type. It is. Yeah. The women came after me.

Did she? Should I tell you that? What do you mean? My.

“What I thought was an incredibly obvious joke about period.”

Period underwear and tampax. Such a joke. Some women really came at me hard. I think they also might. I don't know if they really think that or if they're like playing a lot.

They're playing your role. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Something with the X.

Yeah. Because Maxi pad. Yeah. Tampax.

Maxi pad would have been the first.

Probably. Yeah. And then next. And then. Things.

What is it? Things. Things. Things. They go on your.

They cover here. Okay. Yeah. Women. X because X.

Someone said that. Someone suggested that in the comments. And I think that's brilliant. And I don't think that's what it is. But that's a brilliant.

How could you possibly know? I'm just trying to imagine the tampax people going like. Okay. Let's call it. It's.

It's a tampon. But let's. Let's build on that. And let's add X because of the chromosome. I just.

What's your. What's your. Um, you know, idea that they wanted to.

“And then you know, I think that's what we're going to do.”

And then you know, I think that's what we're going to do. And then you know, I think that's what we're going to do. And then you know, I think that's what we're going to do. And then you know, I think that's what we're going to do. And then you know, I think that's what we're going to do.

And then you know, I think that's what we're going to do. And then you know, I think that's what we're going to do. And then you know, I think that's what we're going to do. And then you know, I think that's what we're going to do. And then you know, I think that's what we're going to do.

That's the original. I bet you can, you can do that and come back to us. Are you, do you think they're alive? Oh, probably their kids are kids of kids. Okay. Why are you re-infecting going to ask AI if the inventor of Maxi pads is still alive? Okay. Great.

Is the inventor of Maxi pads still alive? If people listen to the CTE episode with Chris Noinsky. And then also it came up in another episode, the PB. Uh-huh. We had AI make a video of us originally talking about the PB. The original story of PB.

Oh, really? Yeah. And we're, I'm going to post a tomorrow. But so by the time you listen to this, it will be posted. And I really, really recommend people going to watch this. It'll be on our Instagram because for one of the stories,

just, you need a good reminder of the PB, but the AI is hilarious. Oh, I can't wait to see it. It's like a version of you and me. The AI made versions of us. It's so funny.

Wait to see. Yeah. Were you holding this as a surprise for me? No, I was just forgot. I'm doing stuff.

I think that's something to do. Um, anyway, so check that out. Check out the PB and the AI just reminded me, AI. Okay, great. Did it respond?

Well, it had to have. Mary Beatrice, Davidson Canner, an African American inventor, is renowned for her development of the adjustable sanitary belt. A precursor to the modern Maxi pad. Okay, so they were really in the back.

That was 1912. Oh, wow. She passed away in 06. So that's off the table. Canner's invention patented in his view.

It featured a moisture proof pocket design. The whole menstrual pad securely in place. The innovation. Okay. We're in crener phase.

A racial discrimination. That's a bummer. And of course, uh, was awarded five patents in summary. Mary Beatrice, Davidson Canner passed away. And I was like, okay.

So I don't know if we're giving her credit for it. Maxi pad or she did the belt. Okay. Okay. Boris, we didn't learn anything.

Nothing. That's only nothing.

Um, now, what are the most watch shows on Netflix? Hmm. This is on Wikipedia.

“And notoriously Netflix doesn't really release this information.”

So, or they do it weird. They do it. They'll do like a minute. Like so I just saw this. Um, and congrats to do Mal and Minka Kelly.

Uh, friends of the podcast. Some Canyon.

Brands some Canyon has 2.6 billion minutes viewed.

And to put it in respect to mob land, which I love. And as seemingly ahead, everyone I know is watching it. I'd like 580 million. So a four and a half acts of second place. But they do minutes, right?

So that's an interesting way to to quantify it. Interesting. As opposed to like households who watch it. Minutes are hours. Minutes.

Interesting. Yeah. Okay. Well, this is just Wikipedia. Oh, and it's most popular television series by hours watching their first 28 days.

Number one is squid game season one. Yeah. Stranger things. Oh, yeah. Is number two.

Three is Wednesday. Okay. Four is squid game season two. Mm-hmm.

Five is Dahmer monster the Jeffrey Dahmer story.

Wow. I want it to have. Pick that up. Just from walking around and people telling me to watch stuff. Yeah.

That one's a surprise for me. Uh, six is money heist. That was a big. You're cute. Yeah.

“I think maybe it was in Spanish, I think.”

Yeah. She loved it. Yeah. Um, oh, wait. No, sorry.

That's so six is money heist. Part five. Okay. Interesting. Seven eight and nine.

Our Bridger 10 season one two and three. Uh-huh. And then ten money heist. Part four. Okay.

11 stranger things. I need to give money heist another shot. It was it was subtitled. Yeah. I think so.

I know. I would watch that. I'm still in ER. Oh, I know when I started, which is so fucking good. Okay.

Deli boys. Oh, I want to try it. Yeah. I want to. It's such a unique tone that they were pulling off beautifully.

Nice. Fantastic. Cool. I love that. You know, I like discovering these hiccups in my thinking.

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And so there's a joke in Deli boys. Uh-huh. They have to deal with this Italian mob boss quite often.

Uh-huh. And the the the Patriarch of not even the Patriarch. One of the partners in the criminal organization and older guy. He hates Indians, right? He's constantly talking about heates Indians.

And so he's sitting across from this Italian mobster. And he says, um, Pakistani, but I'm telling the truth. Indians are terrible. And they're telling us, oh, I thought you were Indian. And he goes, no, I'm not.

They are our mortal enemy. And then the mob, the Italian mobster goes. So you guys look identical to each other and you hate one another. And he goes, oh, cookie just got canceled. He's like a, then they all laugh the notion of a mobster could get canceled.

Uh-huh. Oh, that's funny.

“But then I was like, I think people do go.”

Mm-hmm.

And then I was like, yeah, I would never think that about the Irish and the English.

Exactly. The French and the English. Yeah. And then I wanted to people in India looking at those people going, like, well, you guys are the same people. Why are you fighting?

What? I wonder if it's like whatever in group you're in, it seems crazy on the outside. It's always about land and religion often. Religion, but yeah, who owns what? Yes.

I mean, that's that's very timely because Indian Pakistan were. Well, this was obviously made before they've now launched missiles at each other. Exactly, but they're in a ceasefire. Yeah. But anyway, okay, Seth McFarlane and Nick, that conversation.

That's the sad on the sad after foundation YouTube. Yeah. So you can watch that there if you're interested in animation. Pretty unique conversation. Okay.

The seasons of Seth McFarlane shows how many? Family guy 23 seasons. American dad 19 seasons, Cleveland show four seasons. 46. Wow.

46. 46. 46 seasons of television. That's really it. That's all the facts.

Yeah. Well, Nick Crow, we love you. Well, there was one fry for you. I'm not really a fat guy. He's going to be sick for another 10 years or so.

Yeah. Like six, six more years, he's got to be in sick. We're not sick anymore. Well, you kind of aren't just so kind of sick. Probably more sick than I was pre kids in general.

Yeah. But like, they just stop putting their fingers in each other's mouths and butts. And like, like, they just, they get a little more separated as they get older.

Yeah.

“I wasn't sure if I was going to bring this up, but why not?”

Yeah. Why not?

I said I was racist, you know.

Well, no, this isn't negative towards kids. Well, right. I'm just saying I revealed a lot that I had some vestigial racial thinking that I called myself. Sure, yeah. Okay.

Um, mother's day, we just had mother's day, right? Yeah. It's getting increasingly harder for me. Okay. And I think from, for like so many reasons, I feel overwhelming.

Yeah. Yeah. And I'm just tracking that. Mm-hmm. That it's starting to feel really tough.

Um, I'm glad I go home. I go home. I've gone home the last couple of years.

And it's nice to be with my mom.

And I know it makes them very happy. So I like doing that. But there is something about being there, that's hard. When I'm there, especially for moments events, yearly events, the pass it, like, time starts to feel very oppressive, the passage of time.

Yeah. You know, we go to the same places. And, you know, I'm going to this mall that I went to when I was in high school and to see it be so much the same and also so different. It's just, it feels sad.

It feels melancholic. Right. And then seeing my parents age is so hard. The lack of permanence to everything. Yeah.

Yeah. And I can kind of do this, my no. Yeah.

And when I'm not there, I can detach from it when I'm here.

And you can keep it time locked in your mind in memory. Yes.

“And I think I can just compartmentalize and I'll like, they're there.”

And that's happening. But I'm not seeing day to day like the little things that are changing. So it's kind of hard to be there. Even though I'm glad I make that decision. That's a little hard.

And then I also know being here would be hard because all of my friends have kids. Yeah. And that is painful in its own way. And like, it just feels sort of like, this is a hard. The pain focus you feel like you're missing out on the mother in experience.

Or is it painful because you feel excluded from your friends in a way? I. Which pain is it? I think it's both. I think it's.

It's so tricky because it's not like on a day to day. I think of the pain of not having children. But on that day. Yes. I am away.

I'm just very aware that I don't. Yeah. And that it's not. It wasn't really a choice. It's just the way my life went.

Right? Yeah. Unfolded in this way. I made decisions that took me in certain places. I, you know, I'm not married to my high school sweetheart.

I didn't have one, you know. And yeah, I'm just like aware, like, oh, my life hasn't gone. Didn't go that way. Right. But yes, I can still make decisions that might lead to that.

But it's different. It's like really different now. The me having a kid now is a real choice. It is not like, oh, I fell in love with this person. And then maybe we'll have kids.

That's the next step. It's I have to be. I'm pregnant. What do we do? Fuck it.

Let's do it. It's real, real hard decision making. Yeah. I kind of, I don't, yeah. And that's, that's an annoying thing to have to think about.

Yeah. So yeah. I guess it's just going to be a hard take closer further. I don't know. Like, it, it, it, it, it makes me feel, I feel like, oh, I wish I had that.

“But does it make me feel like I'm going to take those steps to do it?”

If I were you, I would just want to be crystal clear if it is a desire to have the experience. Versus the a student in you. I know. That's hard to know which is driving it. But I think one is worth chasing and one is worth overcoming.

Yeah. I know. I don't know. Again, that's a question that I, I have to ask that I'm kind of resentful that I have to ask. For example, towards my, towards life, I guess because I know that if I was married and in a partnership,

I would, I would have kids. Right. I would want that. Yeah. So what does a guy in your situation do?

Well, they could.

“I mean, get a could and then they got to get a surrogate.”

And it's definitely more complicated.

You're like, you're a stop at a sperm bank away from having a kid. Well, maybe. And well, maybe because of fertility. But maybe you know, like, a, a, a, a dude who's not loaded and can't pay for a surrogate and, and a, and all that stuff.

I wonder what, how they wrestle with it, you know? Yeah. Um, I mean, I, I assume it's the same feeling and the same thing. Like, I guess I have to figure out if I'm going to like just. Be with a person.

I don't want to be with or or. Take those steps in some ways. I mean, it's, it's all hard. But I think for a man, if they have the means. I mean, a lot of women don't have the means to do any of this either.

So how much is sperm donor?

That's that terrible experience. But to your egg, like, you know, do retrievals and it's a good thing. But let's just say you.

“You have to remove the eggs in order to make the embryo.”

Oh, they can't put a face during you and do it. Oh, they can't do it. Oh, they can't do it. Yeah. Some people, that works for some people.

It's pretty hard. Yeah. For it to take. But it works for some people. But then if that doesn't work, you spent money doing that.

And then you have to, you know, it's a lot. But for a man, they can make the embryo. You know, they'll take the egg. The sperm will make the embryo. And then they'll implanted into a surrogate.

Yeah. I imagine that's a pricing endeavor. I'm sure fertility is so expensive. Yeah.

“Another thing that's like, that's a cost that it wouldn't be a cost.”

I mean, having kids is an insane cost in general. But can you mental health? Yeah, diapers, diapers. Ding, ding, ding, ding. I came up in Nick crawls.

Types. Your dives and they went bankrupt. Yeah. My dives went bankrupt. Bad for business.

Um, anyway, I just thought I would share it because I'm sure. It's complicated for a lot of people. Surely, mother's day for so many reasons.

Carrie sent me this incredible post that a girl at our high school had put on Facebook.

And um, she was a great younger than us. I believe I didn't. Mike, of course, I didn't recognize her right away. But it was this really heartfelt, beautiful post about the complicated nature of mother's day. And how she basically had to say goodbye to her mom at 16.

Because the mom moved Arizona and the mom was not healthy mom. And so this girl was living going to my school. Yeah. Living on her own. Oh, my God.

Pain for an apartment. She sent it to me because she goes side note. That's fun. I was once in detention. And DAC Shepherd said to me, what they put you in for.

Oh, that's funny. And then went on to say, don't worry about all this. Your life's really going to start in two minutes. And I know mine's not ending here in this. Oh, why?

I said that or not, who knows maybe inner mind. I said that. But I'm delighted that on that detention. We had a, you know, like a fun interaction. Yeah, but it was just a really sweet post in a reminder of like, man. Some kids like the experience. Yeah.

Can be so right. Carry sent it to me going. I'm such a fucking asshole for bitching about my two loving parents. You know, whatever. Yeah.

But there's kids in your high school that are like, they're supporting themselves. They're living in an apartment. Yeah. And they don't have any parents. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Anyway. Well, that's it. All right.

Love you.