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>> Well, it's done to Bachelor Party.
I'm Julia Littman. I'm here with Kelly Curry. Hi, Kelly. >> Hello. >> We are less than a week out from the Bachelor at which programming alert.
Number one, this podcast will be coming out Monday. Sorry, Sunday night, because the Bachelor at's going to be airing on Sundays. Number two, for the season, we're going to be joined by Rachel Lindsey. She's back, baby. She's back on the Bachelor at beat.
I can't believe it. It's a great time to be talking about slow mo because it leads right into Bachelor at.
So we're going to cover that today.
The back half of the season, we're also going to get into age of attraction, which feels like there's a lot of murmurs out there on this show. People are watching it. And of course, Survivor, which we didn't get too last week. Poor one out for you, everybody.
And don't add any other spoilers, I mean, it's like five days after. >> Yeah, it comes out tomorrow, the next episode. >> Yeah. >> And become one. >> But first.
>> Should we talk about Rob? >> Sure, what should we talk about Rob? I don't even know you're going to say what happened now. >> I was just kidding.
“I just like that's how we started every podcast with the past two months.”
So I needed to mention. I've been meaning to screenshot our text, but there hasn't been a good reason to do it to show the world the background. Yes, of Rob's face. I hope he's having a great day, a great week.
I will note, did you see that Boston Rob went to the White House and posted a picture and then Natalie got into his comments? It was just like, no, that was Natalie and Caroline. >> Yeah, Caroline, yeah. >> Traders, the loves, so.
>> And Stephanie, who is on Survivor 50, was like coolest dad ever. >> Yeah. >> You have an information that you need, everybody. Slomo, 6/10, season four, shit, gets dark. I wasn't prepared for just how dark things get.
For basically every person on this television show, I would say the only person for
whom things don't get bad. >> My favorite couple is doing fine. >> Who's that? >> They're not together. >> Miranda and Chase.
>> Yeah, Miranda's like, can't be rattled. She's like, I'm good. Chase is not really on the show anymore, so he's fine as well. I guess I don't even know.
“I think what we need to begin is trying to understand why ABC/Disney/Hulu.”
Still felt that Taylor, Frankie Paul, was a good idea for the lead of one of their future franchises, and we were supporters. We were excited. Rachel's coming back to the show for TFP. >> Okay.
>> And now that she's slow-mo, I'm just like, what the fuck's going to happen? >> I'm still excited, but like objectively horrible decisions. I am still excited as well, but it's like not like any other season. I really hope they do not begin with some like cheesy package of Taylor walking through the cornfields of Utah, or the horse farm, I guess it was from
the opening credits, and being like, I'm just ready for love. Because Taylor is not ready, you are not. You are ready for like some sort of intervention, you are ready for some kind of celibacy, I think, maybe a short live, but like she needs changes. And I guess you agree, where should she move to?
“>> As far as possible away from Dakota, how do you explain Dakota and Taylor?”
What is going on between the two of them? >> It does seem that like a lot of these women, not just Taylor. Like, somehow stop developing around 15. >> Well, I think that's when they become sexualized. >> There has to be something culturally that stops it at like 15.
I don't, I'm not familiar enough with Utah and Mormonism to pinpoint it, but it kind of seems to happen on Salt Lake too. So there is something that stops in the teenage years, and watching Taylor like a part of me is like, yeah, like I made dumb decisions when I was younger. This is another level of like crazy, chaotic, toxic decisions.
The morning, she's the end of the episode, end of the season.
The morning, she's supposed to fly to LA with her sister and her mom.
She can't get out of bed, she won't get on camera. Is she hung over in the house? Like, what's going on? Why is she up all night? I mean, Dakota obviously left really early.
>> They left one night. >> I think he left it for you. >> Having sex, I'm talking, I guess. I mean, when she was like, I'm just exhausted, and he was like, yeah, I bet, me too. Okay, I'm kind of confused.
“I think that she like crashes, like she definitely has some sort of like mental health issues.”
>> Yeah. >> Not diagnosed in her, because I couldn't tell you what it is. She knows that she's making horrible decisions. She knows, like, even with the stuff with her mom, which is really hard to watch, she knows, like, she doesn't want to say anything, because she knows, like, I'm so dumb.
But like, she still can't keep, like, she can't keep doing it. It's like someone who keeps putting their hand in fire and is like, oh my God, that hurt so bad. But then they do it again. >> The way that she fought with her mom, when they went to the park with her sister, that was like an episode like 6 or 7, was really, really sad, because instead of, like, just
being honest, her mom, she starts, first she denies it and she lies very sort of dramatically.
And then a few minutes into it, she was like, actually I did fuck him or whatever she says. And it's like, it's also how they talk, I know. >> Can you imagine telling your mom, like, I fucked him, no, I cannot, absolutely not. And I don't think by my kids would like that either. >> Would you tell your mom, I had sex with him?
>> Like, through tears, not like yelling at her, like, yeah, it's sex with him, but maybe to tears. >> Yeah, I'm saying, are you, like, you're comfortable enough, like saying something like that's your mom? >> Yeah.
>> I'm 100% comfortable enough saying that to my mom. >> Yeah. >> Box? >> Yeah.
>> That's, I'm not saying that.
>> Agreed. It's like, it's also just so, like, in sight, it's like inciting something in her mom.
“She's just trying to provoke her mom before her mom can provoke her, I guess?”
I don't know. >> It's similar to how she is with Dakota. >> Yeah. >> It's the way that she got so angry when she was in, I guess, Jesse's bathroom, when she found out about Shania, and she was, like, and she called Miranda and she was, like,
don't lie to me, like, how long have you known? It was just so, like, I wouldn't be friends with Taylor. I wouldn't want to be spoken to that way, and I wouldn't be able to respond as calmly, as Miranda does, or really a lot of them, though. I guess they, like, expect it.
>> I, I don't know. It's very, this was a tough, tough watch, and, like, Taylor's probably one of the more dramatic storylines in this, back after this season, but, like, there was a lot of stuff that was, like, very upset. >> I was like, kind of, there was a lot happening.
>> I, I know. I mean, Leyla barely was on the show, but, like, in one episode, like, the way that she talks
“about her body and herself was, like, truly, truly tragic, and, like, I really, really”
hope she has good people around her to, like, help her through this moment. I mean, it seems, like, more than a moment, it's been a while. Like, there's just, and then, with Michaela, and then, even Jenna Whitney's fight was, like, pretty wild. >> And then, you have Jessie, who's contemplating divorce, which she's not contemplating.
She wants to get divorced. She doesn't know how. >> Yeah, I mean, the, the pre-nup thing is, like, and also the fact that everyone agrees that Jordan would be, like, a nightmare to divorce, and just, like, why did you marry this man?
>> Not even that, the way she's phrasing it, like, she's crying, not because of the end of her marriage. >> Yes. >> The end of her divorce. >> She's crying because of the pre-nup.
>> And she's not wrong. >> But if I was Jordan and watched that, I'd be, like, we got to get divorced here. >> And you're like, okay, good to know what my rights are. Thanks for laying it out. >> Yeah.
>> Everyone except for, like, Macy had a pretty tragic storyline. I do think that, from what we've seen, and neither one of us, neither one of us are hard core dancing with the stars people, but as a person that comes off that show and, like, clips that you find, or you hear people and interviews and blah, blah, I have heard that it is insanely strenuous to be on that show.
>> Really hard. >> And it's not for, like, months and months on end, but it is for, like, two months if you go far. >> Yeah. >> So two months.
>> Plus training, very strenuous, taping rehearsals and training, and because you don't want to look horrible, like, you end up doing even more than what you're asked to do.
>> Right.
It's almost like a culture there that everyone buys into, and so, like, everyone is doing
way more than asked.
“So to finish that up and then come home and have to film for secret lives of Mormon”
wives, and also be a mom to three kids and for Jen, three under three, I would, it's not surprising she got sick. >> It's hard for me to understand how you can get pregnant that many times. And such a small window of being able to get pregnant. >> They did it, I have a question because we detects a little bit on the dad talk front,
which I will say, according to Twitter, according to me, maybe according to you, I didn't ask
you this, I don't need that talk, I don't want it, I don't, it made me dislike every dad
more, like, there's no one I liked more as a result of dad talk, except for Connor, but he's not even in it because he loves an L. >> I was going to say, I was going to ask who your favorite guys were now. It's number one Connor with a bullet, like, when he was, like, close up magic, I was like, yes, Connor, I really like him, me too, I did do, also Whitney seems to really like him,
like he is a safe place for her, she calls him to cry, she, like, they have a nice thing to do it, it might be a really nice friendship, but yeah, well, it's kind of crazy that from season one to now, I would have bet all the money in the world that the strongest couple would not be Whitney and Connor.
“>> I know, I know, they seem like they're the strongest couple, but a big reason why I think”
that they are the strongest couple and not to take anything away from Whitney, but it is that, like, Connor is a very secure in himself, and it's like, yeah, this makes sense, like you're doing so well, it's, I did, he said he loved his job, but he's like, it makes more financial sense for us to do this and maybe it's not forever, and, but if it is, then, like, I have to find something for myself, and so I started doing magic, and while I do not like Zach,
I liked Zach's conversation with Jen, which he was like, it's crazy, but like I am proud of him for finding something that makes him happy. >> Yeah, agreed. That's the only nice thing I think we can allow about Zach's episode today. >> Well, you liked him seven days ago.
>> I know, I can't believe it, I'm so horrified by myself, I'm so sorry to all the listeners. I see the error of my ways, I know longer like Zach. I've seen a lot on Reddit of people talking about like, why did Zach go to the meeting with Whitney instead of Jen, and there's a lot of blaming of producers going on with the dads, in particular, like dad, like the, I also saw Macy blaming production a little bit
for like some of the stuff that happened between her and Jacob that you didn't see, and others that you didn't see, like, there's a lot of blaming of production going on right now, which is funny because the women all got E.P. credits this season, but anyway, it's just,
“I think that they're like the introduction of the dads is such a suck, and like, nobody”
likes Jordan, like he sucks. It's seeing the dads, like, rally around Jace was also pretty depressing. When he's just like, I understand that like men have needs or whatever, but his, the way that he like shares everything, what's going on between him and Macylla is just like, with so little empathy for her, it's insane, and I just dial down the dads is all I have to say.
I agree. No one wants, it doesn't seem like anybody wants to see it. All I do, like, I like hearing a cop from Connor, which is crazy, but like, even after Zach went and met with Whitney, which, like, I hope that was a producer idea because it made Jen look like a two year old, and it made him look crazy, like no one on their side looks good from Zach doing that.
It's the episode's like seven or eight, nine, ten for Jen, we're very tough. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but when Whitney called Connor afterwards, and he was like trying to keep his cool, and then he just like busted out and was like, I don't want any, I'm not okay with any man making a woman feel fucking small. I was like, oh, I'm not like what you're talking Connor. Oh, I just like, there's so many things. I can't imagine welcoming a family of five,
including three under three into my home, and then like two to three months later, this woman
being like, well, we are never really friends in the first place. Like, you don't really care about
me. Like, that is such a slap in the face. I understand why Whitney erupted just to be like, what we're not actually friends when Whitney has done everything to be your friend is so fucked up.
Well, also, I was kind of like, where is there any evidence that you guys are...
I didn't Jen didn't provide anything for me to be like, oh, yeah, Whitney's not our friend. All she kept being is like what you came back for dance with the stars. Yeah. She was honest about that. Yeah, she said we've to the camera directly. Yeah, we have, she said it to them. We have to. Like, we have moved on from that, and she said the reason why she felt that way is because nobody liked her. I know. Also, she was right when she was like, I can separate
being friends with you and being friends with the Timmy. Like, Jen might not like it, but it's not like,
just you can only have one friend and that's it. Also, you never asked her to choose, right?
“The whole thing that I think you should like Taylor asking Miranda to choose. I like Miranda being like,”
I'm not your parent. I'm not your child. I'm not your spouse. And she also was like, I'm not choosing you. Yeah, she's like, and I'm not sure you're going to like, where, which way I would go. You're came down to the train from Miranda. It's kind of sweet. Like, she's like one of your favorite people on TV, we're currently. I can't say that because she's in providing enough entertainment. She's just, it seems like she generally does the like what I,
like the right thing. I don't want to say what I would do. But like when I'm watching these shows and these women make like the craziest decisions like one after the other and they're all just like,
yeah, of course, that's it. Miranda will be like, no, like when she was like everyone got mad at me,
because they thought I was there for cloud and she was like, I was not. I was there for money,
“not cloud. I was like, yeah, that's what everyone is there for. Thank you for telling the truth.”
Do you think these women get paid to go to all these events? Or is it just like mutually beneficial and then they partly that into, into brand deals? I think it depends. Like, I'm sure there are some events where they pay everyone to go and then there's some events that they go because it's good for, it's mutually beneficial. And because of how they have formed and like keep a hierarchy of this mom talk like, yeah, it gives you like points when you support other one. Right. Like people,
and if you do this for Taylor, she'll come to your event and like she's got the most followers.
Yeah, what's going back to Taylor, we have been huge fans of Taylor being character energy. Yeah.
Can't say that I'm standing there today. I'm still looking forward to seeing what happens in the bathroom, but I'm definitely less excited. I'm just like, oh, I know this person's unwell. So this is not a good idea for her. Although she might be one of the only people who's mental health improves from going on the bathroom at versus being at home. Yeah, maybe. I am so excited about the bathroom, but like we were like, she is tier one A for reality star. She's not tier one A
for me anymore. Is it because it's because she's too much. Like she has too many issues. Like why is that? She's like, this, the last half of this season, I did it fine. Like, oh my god, this is so enjoyable. Like her decisions are so toxic and so chaotic that like, it wasn't super fun to watch. And just like knowing how this impacts other people and knowing it's fun when you're doing it and it's only yourself. I'm like, you have three kids. Yeah. You have two baby daddy's. You have
three baby daddy doesn't you? Two. Just two by one and one by the other. She even like her going on the the bash array, which like, I'd say generally we're not like the biggest fans. It's like men as a whole, but much like Macy. But yeah, Macy can't stand that. Neither can Macyla by the way, rightfully so for both of them agreed. They, the fact that all these men are show it, like signing up to do like if they were slipped around, if she were a man,
and all these women were signing up to try to find someone and this was the guy. I'd be like, that's kind of fucked for you to do this show. It's true. I have to keep the same energy with Taylor, all these men signing up for this show, which like I'm surely like 4% of them are there for the
“right reasons, but still you should not be, you should not be signing up for the bash array.”
And she keeps talking about the bash. They're at like it's just an opportunity for her. And like or like a trip to rehab or something. Yeah. It's like this will be good for me. I'll get over to Coda, like this will be a long time where I can't talk to him. I'm like, you are supposed to be engaged at the end of this. Yeah, I know. It's like, it is true. Like these guys are really taking a break from their lives and you're just going to be
you're just like, this is all about me. It's selfish. It's not great. It's not great for the show. But I don't even know if the show is selling anymore. So like maybe it won't be a problem. And it'll be fine. But can I tell you who you sound like? You sound like Sydney Warner, who said me from Peter season, who's married to Fred Warner, can I read you that's the what she
Posts it on her Instagram?
of the women like waiting in the airport with their signs. And first of all, you can see like,
it's over her babies like, like, play Jim thing. Like she's like a very little baby and like a bobby. So I'm like, I understand. I was there recently watching reality be in the same way. I get it. And she wrote, this is so upsetting. I'm a result of being on the bachelor. I owe a lot to the franchise. The bachelor's one of the most iconic shows of all time was so highly respected because they held the contestants such a high standard. It was such an honor to be on the cast, let alone be
casted as the lead. That's life changing. She just to be clear, Sydney was not casted as the lead. To watch us and see this soon to be lead, completely disrespect the stage that she's been given. The men who put their entire lives on hold to come and meet her is horrible. What has happened to morals and values? Clearly, this person does not mentally well and for them to cast someone like this just gets to gets views is beyond me. I know this is a dying franchise, but why not
let the show die out with class and dignity? It's not stooped down and clons great just to get views. I feel so so bad for those guys. Seriously, this is hard to watch. Someone completely not care about something so prestigious that so many girls would do anything to be given. Okay, that's a little too serious for me. I can't. You think, but she's not wrong. I know, she's not wrong, but she's really very serious and it sounds like she's like talking
about like, like the presidency or like the Bible or like Jesus and like someone's like
“desecrating her church. I think it's literally talking about the presidency. Like how did we get here?”
That now we have a reality TV show person like leading our country. It's very similar. It is true for a that's a real thing like that actually like impacts millions of lives and this does not. That's the difference. She's this you can say the same thing about the presidency and I'd be like, okay, that's fair. Like this is a huge thing that's happening. That's right. It's not that we give a deal. Everyone will be fine. Even the guys will be fine.
But I just think for who ABC Disney, whatever, to produce this season. See how she is and still be like, yeah, let's do it. I know. I wonder, I really don't don't know what they're thinking. I'll try to find out. They asked her because she was at the Oscars last night, which also is crazy. Is that ABC? Yeah. And they asked, did you see that they were like, are you happy? And she was like, in this moment, yes, this comes like an hour after it
came out that Warren wise had to pause filming because her and Dakota got into a huge blow up. So I'm like, I don't find love. Also, when did they pause filming? When did she had to LA? Like just so many questions. These women commute between LA and Utah. Like, it's like, you know, men have a gross. I guess close to the edge, but sure. Quick flight. Yes. Um, and I guess ABC is, you know, paying for all it for her. It's going to be interesting to say at least. I thought this would
“really rejuvenate the show and now I do not think so at all. Okay. I agree. Because I think this is”
going to be so incredibly hectic. But I do disagree with, I forgot a name for a second. I do
disagree with Sidney that this is like the wrong path. I think they have the right idea in, like, trying to find someone that you care about outside of the franchise. Yes. She is just a bad choice because of and I think she's mental health. She's just mental health precious. He could have been a great choice. But unfortunately, yeah, she's just not, she's just not mentally ready. She's not there. Heart, heart, heart agree. Um, on the topic of the Bachelor of Latvia was on these episodes from
Grant. We call that member. Yeah, I'm talking about that game with Miranda. It does seem like she is actually friends with Miranda. Yes. I think so. Um, but the whole should not have it all. That was okay. We haven't really talked about Dakota. I had magic dick. I don't know.
“Let's go in on there. I just don't know. He must make you feel so important when he's looking at you.”
Okay. We have disgusting must look better in person. Yeah. Also apparently you play basketball.
So I guess he's athletic. He must look better in person because he basically pulls any girl he wants.
I know, but like from the pool he's pulling from. It's like all these fragile women. It's weird. Yeah, but I mean, like he was even like, there was like rumors he was talking to. What's that? Oh yeah, Brooks Nader. Brooks Nader. And there was rumors he was talking to someone else to do. That's like semi-famous. So I'm like, okay, he clearly looks better in person. He's
Obviously tall.
swag confidence. Whatever. Um, the guys all seem to like him. So no, he's really popular. They all love him. Yeah. So he must be incredibly like charming and funny. And all of that, but like at a certain point,
like, what would it take for Taylor to be like never again? He fucked your mom's friend. I don't
and so many other girls. And like, just like lies to you about it. And we also then him just calling
“him being like, I'm so sorry. I shouldn't have done that. Well, I think the most manipulate”
of the thing that he does is say to her, like, this is your choice. I was always in. And like, he makes it seem like over and over again that she's just like made this decision that they can't be together. When it's like his actions have contributed to why she made that decision. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like the man she's choosing not to be with him. He's like, I mean, tactically, I can do whatever I want. You're choosing this. So I'm going to choose to fuck as many
people around you. But like, I actually appreciated Miranda again. Stay, Miranda stand over here.
I appreciated Miranda being like, Shania, I love you, but you're being done. You've talked him for a week and he's already lied to you at least 10 times. Yeah. That's great. Sure. If he into you sure, but this is all for Taylor. Yeah. And she was that wrong. He was trying to get Taylor as riled up as possible before going on the Bachelor at and it worked. Big time. And I guess they just like love having sex with each other. It just must be like great. But even like, uh, like Whitney,
when she was like, I'm really trying to understand why Taylor is so riled up like they're broken up and you're going on the Bachelor at, I was like, exactly. The 180 from Whitney is unbelievable. She is the greatest example of hurt people, hurt people. Because now that she's so happy, she's just like kind, she's shown grace. Like, uh, she's just, she takes things to heart and getting really upset. It's, it's pretty unbelievable. And also like, yeah, she was like listening to
Taylor talk and she was like, okay, I mean, I guess I can see that. But like, you can do whatever he wants. You're going on the Bachelor at. Yeah. It's pretty, uh, her transformation is like, sort of hard to found them. But mentally and physically. Yeah, I know. When they showed flashbacks, I'm sure she just looks so different. Yeah. I like her red hair a lot. She went much darker. And it looks so, it looks really good. Um, yeah, I've seen clips of her on Chicago and she also is
like great. I heard she was pretty good. I know if people who saw it, I mean, she's not a great singer to be on it to be assumed, but she's like, yeah, she's like pretty good net. So congrats to her. I wonder what's next for Whitney? Well, it's like Chicago only runs for, you know, she has her Christmas movie coming out. She talked about she also cried about. I'm sure she'll like do more like hallmark movies and stuff like that. And who knows? If you got rocks you heart
and you loved dancing like Whitney does, would you be mad that your friend knew for a week
and never said anything to you? I don't think I would confront them over it, but I would maybe
like talk shit about them to someone else and like why don't they say anything? It's really weird.
“So I think maybe in front, I would feel some kind of way, but I wouldn't be, I would, it wouldn't”
be the impetus for like a huge fight. I would confront only because when I was trying to tell you to be like excited with me, you were like, oh, I already know. Yeah. It's like, it's been like trying to shit on my moment. Yeah, it's like, okay, so you won't celebrate with me in the moment because you quote unquote already know, but you already know and never said congratulations. Zach and John, I think are not good people. Maybe it's going too far. They have not,
not comported themselves well. She certainly seems like a hurt person hurting people. I just think she acts like she's 12. Like a 14. She is 26. It's very young. That's not that young. It's not that young. She acts like I feel like she's someone who would like laugh over like a poop joke. Well, she has spent the last three years with just tiny babies. So she just reads like a
“like a 14 year old and when she was like, am I wrong? And it was just like silent in the room?”
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Again, Miranda, don't look at me. Miranda was like, I forget what her reasoning was, but she like did have like, I like, I, well, I will say this. So yes, like you are wrong. If that was anyone else, people would have a problem. We haven't even talked about Jessie or Michaela or Leila. I think that Jessie and Michaela, this is both time to move out of
These marriages.
up with Jessie. I don't think Jessie likes her husband at all. Like, what did you think of the
“name thing? Was that when she was like, I need to change my name for my influence in career?”
I don't even know Jordan's last name. So like, I, I guess. I think it's like a Hawaiian name because he's Hawaii. But yeah, I mean, I don't even know it. But it's more so just like Jessie wants to know attachment to you at all. The way she visited it was so funny formally get divorced because of the prenat. Like, he would make a joke and she would be like, we're just not on the same page. He just made a joke. Like Jordan, but like Jessie hates him. He sucks. Apparently, I didn't know
this. I read this. I'm not it. Apparently, there was some questions or Jessie was married before
and she cheated on her husband with Jordan. And so there was a lot of like shading that's
around the beginning of their relationship. And also, she had a child, like, on the
“cusp between those relationships. And I think there was some misinformation around the”
paternity of the child. So Jessie is like, really chaotic herself. Well, and then she also has cheated on Jordan. Yes, at least emotionally. And I guess she also says that she made out with Marceano or was it just emotional affair? Okay. Sorry. Denise, I want to make out with him. I wanted to tell you about to meet. Thanks to the reminder. Really surprising. She walked away from the money of being on the show. Must have been so bad for her that she had to walk away.
I think that she didn't necessarily walk away. I think she was like, I think there's like a combination. The women weren't going to film with her. So it probably made it really hard to keep her on. And her and Brett seem to think that they are like stars. So I assume that negotiations probably went terribly. Like she still wanted a B and C. And they were just like, okay, no. And then she originally didn't want to do interviews and so eventually, who Louis probably like, what are we
doing? Yeah, there's, and it's been fine without her. Haven't missed her at all. That's it. Would you rather have to me or dad talk? Well, I love Chase. So dad talk. I don't like anything about to me. Um, although
they're two minute true colors was amazing. I laughed out loud. It was so funny. Yeah,
so it was so it feels like a lot of lifetimes ago. Like so much has happened on the show since that happened just briefly on Leila. Yeah, I talk about being tall a little bit taller. They said the shoes five, 10, 5, 11. Wow. I have not, they said she said that she got on the scale on the 99 pounds. I have not been 99 pounds since fourth grade. When she said she was on tries up a tad, I wanted to find the doctor that gave it to her and and have him like they need to
be losing his license. Like oh, it's so, so horrible. When she talked about how it's uncomfortable the sick, she doesn't have enough fat. I mean, it's just her knees hurt when they touch because
“there's not enough fat. It's just, I feel sick talking about it. It's so tragic. I think that,”
you know, we know a lot about these women struggles. She, I think it doesn't have like a strong family like to support her and she's divorced. And so like, you know, I really hope that she finds friends who are like family for her and like can help support her. It is so, so sad. I really admire her for talking about it. Like on screen and she did an article in The Cut in New York magazine. But it's just so sad. And she obviously just like has a lot of self love to find.
I really hope she can find it. Yeah, her dad wasn't in her life at all. Yeah. I mean, there's just like not a lot of people that look like her where she's from. So I have this seem like a lot of her life. She questioned if she was pretty and all of these women talk about how important it is to be pretty, just pretty, like nothing else but pretty in Utah and in Mormon culture. So to not ever know that, which is, it's crazy because she's actually really pretty.
She's, yeah, she's so pretty. Um, also, I think that she said that she found Mormonism like outside of her family when she was like in middle school or high school, um, and that was trying to belong to something. Yeah, exactly. It doesn't surprise me. Like I can see where religion would be really compelling if you're looking for community and family. So I just really
Of all, uh, I just really wish for the best.
stories to tell, but that one really, really hit hard. And to see her so physically struggling was like
just really sad. And I know we have shit on Jessie, but at the end of the episode where she said Jessie like separately went and found like the best eating disorder clinic for her to go to.
“I don't think Jessie's a bad friend. I don't know there. I think similarly we talked about”
I think in the last season after Jessie did a bad job with Leila's extensions, Jessie educated her staff and herself on extensions for Black women's hair and like I think that she seems to make a really big effort with Leila in particular. Yeah. So let's see. And even like even in her conversation with Leila, I feel like Jessie was trying to be like harsh and loving at the same time. Yeah.
But probably because it's like like Leila could get very sick. Absolutely. And she's got kids.
But she's not already. Yeah. Yeah. Also Jessie is like 10 years older than Leila. So I feel like she probably maybe has some kind of like maternal instinct towards her. Yeah. I would say no, outside of Leila, I don't know if we've talked about this. Maybe we have like off camera, but I've talked about it a lot recently. I know like the 90s look as in and I was one like two and then I was very young in the 90s. So I don't really like remember it fully to
really know the comparison. But like there's like a starvation problem happening with women and like the Oscars probably like highlighted that even more for me. I don't wasn't this bad in the 90s and like maybe because those epic wasn't so like readily available. And obviously they had other things. But like I was in fact as it's so easily and so fast. It's just so much easier to get to yeah like emaciation. I don't know if that's weird. But I read an article that also said that
with Ozembeck, the ways in which you lose weight. It's like makes your your face look
“hollowed in and also makes people's arms look in shoulders look particularly like Boney. And I think”
that like on her red carpet those two things really stand out. Yes. Yeah. It wasn't as bad in the 90s. I don't know. I mean, I think that like I think that the the for my recollection of my own childhood and I was also very young. I was four in 1990. Yeah. But you know growing up in the 90s from four to 14. I do think there was a lot of messaging around like it's then then being like so important. Like even just the styles like with like low rise jeans and like the way that pop stars
looked and like Kate Moss was like so famous in that time and whatever. So I don't think it was I think that like with personally with the GLP one drugs now. I think there's now this expectation that like well here's a quick way to get skinny. So like why aren't you doing it? You know what I mean? Yeah. Whereas I didn't exist before. So it's like the path to it seems like obvious even though like people don't like I assume Laila was paying out of pocket like from whatever. A lot of people
“pay out of there. And I think maybe that's the difference and again we were both very young. So like”
someone tells us if we're wrong. But I do remember like you know Kate Moss being super popular and whatever. Maybe for me it felt like even Kate Moss like the way people look now because of GLP ones just looks so much more like funny famished. Yeah. But also it's not just the pop stars. Yeah. Totally. Everyone is doing GLP ones and I've even seen like some like influencers on TikTok who are like on the skinnier side. Talk about doing it. I've seen influencers say that like
everyone they know is doing it and they're like getting concerned. Like everyone's on them. And I'm just like an even in like my life. I know so many people on them. I think it took longer for it to like come to my life. But now I know many people. I think that like for some people it's healthy for some people goes too far. I think for some people it's vaccine. I don't know. There's a there's a percentage of people like actually need them. Of course. And it's an amazing
drug that can change people's lives for that percentage of people. I'm very curious out of the entire percentage of people using it like what that percentage. Right. Yeah. I also I think one of the things
I've always been like confused by is how there's no off ramp. So like when you stop taking them
and you just start hungrier again and then like your brain chemistry reverts back like I just didn't have you with Oprah. She and that she's beyond after the rest of her life. Right.
Yeah.
I'm hiking all the time, blah blah blah blah. Whatever. And then she was like I gained two pounds then five pounds then ten pounds and fifteen pounds and I look up and I gained twenty pounds back pretty
quickly. Right. Yeah. So I don't know what the solution is. I don't know. I have to say I personally
don't love this era of like the expectation of like okay just do a GLP one. But for some people it's you know it's like changes in the lives of the better. It's clearly not the case for Leila. A small percentage of people. Yes. Yeah. I would say. I find it hard. I don't know but I is like I've discussed before. I also like are really adverse reaction to like all the other enhancements that that seemed to become like super commonplace. Like I don't know. But Leila, Leila, Leila,
Leila, Leila is like wild. And she it's leaps. Lips and cheeks for me that I'm just like why aren't those moving? And then I was watching the Oscars. And I was like is anyone here have lines on their
forehead like anyone? Anyone? Then like it's like basically it was like yeah. So go for any
weevert. He barely does. Leo and Barbara Streisand. That was basically it. And then Conan. Who had that? What did a good job? Anyway, it's tough. I just wish Leila the best. It's really really do. That was like really sad for me to watch. Like completely agree. It was really sad. And one of her best friends being Miranda who I don't know if she's on GLP ones are not but she clearly takes like working out and eating and like weighs her food very seriously. And for her
to be like, this is bad. Yeah. Yeah, agreed. We want the best for Leila. We really do.
“And for everyone, just love love the skin you're in. I think we're both totally fine. Do whatever”
makes you feel the best. Yeah. But like I wish people would love themselves. It's tiny bit more. And I wish there was like more a wide range of of appearances on television. Well they have us. That's true. We're here. Watch us on YouTube on your TV. To regular stuff. It's cheap. I just ain't a lot of maple popcorn before this podcast. So I had Chick-fil-A. It's great. I'll link up the product in our video. And in the action app. Action.
Kleinepheise. Calls in forida. Let's quickly touch on two other shows. First.
Age of attraction hosted by Nick Bial in Natalie Joy. They, and this is sort of like the spiritual follow-up to love his blind except age is not revealed. This is the concept of the show in case you haven't watched. They have a group of people on a retreat, which looks quite lovely.
“I must say. I believe in British Columbia, the West Coast of Canada. And it's sort of like adult”
summer camp. And sometimes they go on like activities where it's like going to get to know each other. It seems lovely. If you find the only rule is you may not tell anyone your age or ask anyone else their age. If you decide that you want to move in together in the outside world, you go to the promise room where you give each other a promise ring. And then you can reveal your ages. I think this show took a minute to catch on. But now I think here at the top of its second week,
people are interested. People are watching. I'm hearing about it from the streets. I'm hearing about it in the group chat. Kelly, what's your group chat saying? Yeah, I was going to say when you, I think we talked about this before the show. But when it's, it didn't hear anything about it.
“The week it dropped. But I think it that's because love is blind. It was like wrapping up. Yeah.”
And then all of a sudden this week. It was like random people hitting me up. My group chat started talking about it. And I'm like, all right, slow start. But we're here. And it just got to the point where I had to watch it because too many people were saying things. I, for the life of me don't understand Netflix's host choices. But the good thing about this show is they are not on the show. I haven't seen them since episode one and I'm through three episodes. Yeah, like you just don't see
them. They're barely ever on it. To be fair, Nick and Vanessa are also barely on love is blind. Yeah, their personalities are just like a little bit more jarring, I think. Vanessa is also like just like looking for more attention. They make the show about them a little bit more than Nick and Natalie do. Yeah, but this is their first rodeo. So we'll see how it goes. So these age gaps are pretty crazy. Well, the one, the first couple that they show is I think her
Name is Teresa.
Yeah, she's 57 54 and he's 27 and her children are 22 25 and 29. So her son is older than
her new boyfriend. That one was pretty crazy. Then there's also the couple where the guy is 60. And then the woman is in her 30s. Yeah, like low 30s.
“I think she's, I don't think she's 30. I think she's like 20. Yeah, you're right. She's 20. Yeah,”
she is, right. It was a 34 age gap, 34. So 34 year, I think. It's like pretty studying. I wasn't really surprised by anyone's age reveal so far. Oh, the one that was the most uncomfortable is the 38 year old man in the 22 year old woman. Just because the 22 year old woman seems so young. Like I was like, I hope she's not 18. And he has a daughter that's 14. Yes, he is daughter's 12 14. But like 38 is not that old. It's just that she's 22 and she looks 17. Yeah. And it kind of
acts 17. Yeah, she acts really young. I thought she was like going to be 20. It's, it's a weird show to say that I think that the, the, the casting directors tried to find the youngest looking old people. They did a great job. Like a really, really, a 30 year old could easily be 30. The man. Oh, yeah, totally. I was just, I, one, you know, the Theresa could be in her 40s. Theresa looks fantastic. Also, the thing about the
older people, they all want to be younger. Like Theresa was working her hair in these two braids, where I was just like, if my mom at, in her mid 50s, late 50s, was wearing her hair. That way,
“I think I'd be like, mom, like, do you think you're in my bunk at camp? Like, what's going on here?”
Oh, right. I was shocked to be 60. I thought he would be like maybe 50. And that was so really good. He does not have a wrinkle. I know. He looks not white. So, you know, that people aged differently. I, when he said 60, I was like 60. Well, again, he doesn't really act 60. He acts like he's like 45. Yeah, he also has his body is like a 40 year old. He took a shirt off. I was like, there's no way this guy's that old. And, uh, I would like to, his girl seems like, Ben, Benel, Benella, Benella,
Benella, I think it's Benel. She keeps saying throughout the dating process. Like, yeah, my dad doesn't want me dating anyone older than 40. When he really, when he revealed 60, I was like, well, let's wrap this up. She was shocked as well. Almost double your age, oh, my god, the people on it. Like, why do you go on the show? The older people, I kind of understand more. It's like, fuck it. Why not? The younger people. A couple is that actually matched
similar ages. Yes. Yeah. They, we, they just don't follow them because they don't have the age gap. Yeah, it's like, not that interesting. So, I think you go on the show, just like, hoping to find love. I just feel like if I were an older woman on the show, what are the chances that these young guys are here for the right reasons? Also, what are the chances that you can stand them? Like, we don't like, matter on age. What about
younger men? I mean, well, as you keep watching this show, there is two older women that three older women that can follow. Where did I move into? An apartment in to Vancouver? Oh, interesting. So, they stay in Canada. Yeah, I think it's Vancouver. That's about no budget for this. And the out of the three older women,
one woman, she gets cracked first night. They're having sex. We hear all types of sounds.
The next day, she meets with one of the other older women. And the other older women's like, have you guys sex yet? She's like, yeah, we did. And she's like, how many times? And the woman's like,
“it's Teresa. Teresa's like, oh my god, I don't know. And she's like, I mean, that's what I'm looking”
for. Like, if I'm going to be with like a 27-year-old, like, what are we doing here? Yeah. And I'm just like, okay, I guess if that's what you're, if that's what you're here for. I mean, I think it is. But what is I'm like here for? Here's a thing about marriage from the younger person's perspective. In my opinion, I'm not married, as you may or may not know. You get married to like, have it last a long time, right? And so, do you want to just start over again?
Like, are you just looking to have like your first marriage and then your second marriage? Like,
what, what's going into their their minds? I don't know. Does that's what I'm afraid of me?
Teresa?
Ah, like I can't believe her kids are going to hear her own on TV. That's a great point. Uh,
like they're, they're, they're not 10. You know what I mean? It's not like you're going to hear this one day. No, they're hearing it. Tate. Yeah, at 25, 27 and 29. It's brutal, brutal, brutal.
“I don't know the future. I think that also it's different with like Nick and Adley. Like they”
started the family together. Also like, when the man is like 15 years older, that's not that thick of a difference, especially, eventually it becomes normal. Yes. Like, like, I'd say in the beginning, it's still a lot, but eventually it becomes normal. But like, that's 38, 38 year old and the 22 year old, eventually that will be normal. Yeah. And like the other would-action, like 38 and 50, not that big of a deal. 38 and 53, not that big of a deal. Right.
But like, 27 years is always a big deal or 24 years, whatever it is. 33 is always a big deal.
Yeah, like that's like two generations apart. It's not even a generation, two. So the previews for the next five episodes, big it to meet families. Okay. I can't wait. Yeah. I mean, there's two more people in the previews. Teresa has her kids fair and they ask for his age and she's like, I'm not telling you. And then later on, it shows Nick and Vanessa being like, why didn't you tell them? She was like, they don't need to know. I bet she's just going to last
but she's dated a young girl man before. That's my feeling about her. I like the other blonde woman who I think doesn't end up with a match. She was like talking to that guy with the big hair. When she was just like, I don't know about this guy. He's really young looking. She was at the wine tasting event. And um, where I think she doesn't know what she does. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, because he says like, I think you've seen this maybe at one point. He's like, clearly,
there's an age difference. And she got mad at him for saying that. That's true. Like, that's to show. And he's obviously in his 20s and you're not like, but she ends up saying yes to him in the prime in the in the promise room. The only one that says no, I saw one over the woman with the younger guy. And he's like, to heart so heartbroken. I liked her. She was like, no, I'm not ready for this. Yeah, also the entire every single like interaction. She was just like, I mean, I just need to know how
“old you are. I got off the comfortable. And it's like, you should be on the show then. You can't”
get over him being younger. And he was older than she thought he was 30. Yeah, he was, I, which again, like, I don't know, I guess I have a lot of information. One thing I do like about this, unlike Love's Blind, that we also don't know their ages until it's over. Even Prince Harry, I thought he was 33ish. But when he really revealed 27, which is only six years, but if I'm 54, that's a big six years. 30s, I'd be like, yeah. When he was like buckle up, I was like, okay, settle down, bro. I don't
like him. He's obviously really into himself. Why? I, I, I, it does seem like he really likes her. So, I don't know. I hope it's real. They seem like the strongest couple out of every. Yeah, because no, hit, they do in the, the black guy in the girl. I can't fight for the next fight for in the girl. They also seem pretty strong. He seems to be, actually, he seems like, yeah, like, looking for something. And she asks him, like, which, I'm interested in what you would say to this,
but she asks him, like, she's like, I've never dated anyone's kids. Like, how does that work? Like,
how would that work with me, being introduced to them? And he was like, I have a system.
“And like, it's the only way that works for my family, but like, you would meet their mom first,”
and we'd go from there. That sounds like what happens on Love's Blind. They often meet the, the other parent first. Yeah. Um, I think with his wife's probably, like, a little bit different, because they're also trying to get, like, clearance for their kids to be on the knee show. So they need, like, approval from everyone. Um, but, like, even that conversation, he wasn't like, oh, yeah, you're meeting my kids. He was like, we've got to, like, go through the numbers and make sure that. Yeah,
I love that. Um, but, yes, so they also seem like they're in a good place. Like, they have real conversations and whatever. But if you were on this, not even this show, just any reality dating show, like, what would be your rules for meeting Micah? It's a great question. I don't know. I think, well, the idea of going on a reality dating show with Micah and the pictures, like, a hilarious concept, I think I'd be like, well, you wouldn't mean them for a while. I need to know it's serious before
you get introduced and then, you know, ease into it and you'd be like mom's friend. And also, don't worry about it until until we see if this is, like, worth it or not. Yeah, we didn't talk about this with, like, the Leila and um, Mason of it all. I didn't, I didn't love how Mason talked to her about
Her being a mom.
very serious place, I don't think you can comment on parenting. I completely agree. Also, until
“you've been invited to be like a partner in the endeavor, it's just really keep your mouth shut.”
Also, she obviously, like, just has a lot of, like, I feel like a good partner for Leila would understand that maybe she doesn't hold her ground and in ways that's like related to other challenges that she has. Anything. Yeah. Yeah. It's just um, I didn't, I didn't love that. I made me kind of turn on him, but it's fine because they're broken up. Yeah. Let's talk about survivor before we wrap it up. I just kind of say, I don't care for Emily. Emily is chaos and I feel like,
I don't know. It was a good episode last week. It was the weakest of them all, but it was still a good one.
Camilla is really fucking good at the puzzles and like guiding people. Really good. She did that in,
like, 10 seconds. I know. Actual time difference between each. She figured it out very quickly. It was really impressive. She's really talented. I like Camilla. She's okay. She'd be a cool winner because it'd be so unexpected. I liked Emily up until this week and I needed to go. I am Emily and Christian are friends outside of the game outside of the show. Oh, interesting. That's not there. Well, I guess like, Christian are not Christian. Mike White's also friends with
Angelina. Yeah. Mike White is five stars for me. Right now. And previews for next week. He might jump to six if that's possible. I'm just so sad or cute. I know. I'm really going to miss him.
Also cute. Really thought he like may be figured it out, but we didn't get enough to. It was
time was too short. But I am grateful that we got enough of him. So like he left his imprint on season 50. Also in interviews, he said that they captioned Aussie wrong. When he asked Aussie when he was living with this you, the captions we saw said that Aussie said yes. And he was like he said no. That's so weird. Like person. I wonder if Aussie will be getting a certain edit. Although I will
“say I think so often captions are just incorrect. Like I'm like that's not what they said. So yeah,”
who knows if it's like a breadcrum or just a mistake. Who did I pick to win? I don't remember. You picked three in Christian. I think I picked Christian for sure. Okay. I think I pushed Christian in Tiffany because I was just like I'm going to throw a random one in there. Tiffany's not on the show. Not at all. Like and can we please see her? I guess she's not winning. I like she's been on like zero minutes. It's nothing. And Chrissy, like I know Chrissy cried a lot
of the match. She's barely been on either. Yeah. Interesting. I'd like to hear from both of them. I just absolutely love Survivor though. I have to say. Me too. It lifts my spirits. I look forward to Wednesdays. Same. I was thinking about our recording schedule and I was like we have to report about Thursdays. Talk about Survivor. I mean, we talk about this a lot. Is it your
“favor? Like like competitive reality show? Yes. I think so. It's so good. Yeah. I sometimes change”
my mind and big brothers on, but big brother just gives me so much more because it's so many episodes. Right. It's like a friend. Like how excited I get every episode here. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's no better feeling. Survivor is one of the only shows that's a point of viewing for me. I'm like, I need to watch it on Wednesday night. Yes. I couldn't last Wednesday and I was really sad. It's really one of the only ones for me. Like everything else. I'm like,
oh, I got to fit it in. I'll download it to watch them this subway or like I'll watch it here and I'm like, yeah, it was random time. But Survivor, I'm like, nope. I'll be watching ASAP. I love it. I love it. As soon as my kids go to sleep, it's all for a show. I'm like, I can't have it be spoiled. Everything else I'm like, I can live with it. But I don't want any survivor spoilers. Also Survivor is a show where you can be on your phone and I choose not to be. Absolutely.
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