Taylor Frankie Paul’s ‘Bachelorette’ Fallout | Plus, ‘Ladies of London’ and ‘Jury Duty’ Season 2 Recaps

I'm really at Litman, I'm here at the Kelly Curry, we're here obviously to talk about all the fallout from the cancellation of Bachelor at Season 22, the Taylor Frankie Paul Season that we'll never see. We're going to talk about Lees of London because I'm so into it and we'll dabble on some other stuff too.

First of all, Kelly, hello, how are you? Good, when you were just talking, I was thinking and maybe because before this we were

“talking about my father-in-law's jersey being retired, I think we should have like a retirement”

at some of Bachelor Party. Maybe we should do an opportunity, yeah, all like all-time Bachelor Awards and we'll retire the name. It's time to move on. I have one question for you.

We're going to change the name. I got to say, the two Leete contenders for new name so far, one will not, we're not doing which is two Americas, that's funny, but that's a segment or recurring bit, it's not a podcast name.

And number two, the other is in back to the show because we always digress.

I like that one. Yeah. I don't know that if you're like searching Spotify though for like reality TV podcasts, I don't know, that's going to pop for you. It back to the show with the one that comes up.

Yeah. I've heard about a bunch of GM's of like different versions of that though because it seems like people are like, they seem to, correct us if we're wrong. Based off my DM's, people really like our tangents and they're like, so it's so great that would be the name because like you guys have to say that like seven times an episode.

Wow. Other things come up that didn't require attention, but we're open for names as a point. We had the crazy timing of just like having just roles with a new show on Thursday.

“I feel like I'm going to remember that moment for the rest of my life.”

For sure. Like where were you? Yeah. I remember where I was. I was actually having on video.

Yeah. You want to see what was going down. That was completely as it's like there was almost no editing to that podcast. I like have just been sitting with this and like it's whatever one wants to talk about, like the canceling of the voucher at.

Well, it's kind of hard not to talk about it when something new is reported every 10 minutes. It's crazy. And these these secret lies in Mormon, why are people, I was going to call him Wivers, the mom talking to dad talk people. They are just like very happy to talk about it.

It's in cryptic ways as well. I mean, it's kind of crazy. I will say that the people are commenting on it the most in cryptic ways and a little surprise by. I think that Michaela and Leila seem to be the most active in responding to comments.

And they are in two single gals. So, you know, is Michaela single? You tell me, I mean, sorry, not Michaela. I'm at Miranda. I'm at Miranda.

Oh, I think Michaela is single. But I don't know. There's just a lot of TV reading. Yeah. Well, Miranda and Chase is commenting a lot as well.

Yeah. Yeah. What's he saying? He's saying that there's more stuff that's coming. Chase is saying that too.

And Leila said that today as well.

Everyone from the Mormon Wivers cast who's weighing in is basically saying we've just found.

We just saw the video for the first time. We just found out about a lot of stuff. You're going to find out soon. I don't know how we're going to be finding out. But it definitely does.

Can we say something? Of course. The floor is yours. If there's any more of it, I don't need to see another video. It's like I'm good.

Really funny. That's just in terms of videos over the weekend. I loved it. I didn't enjoy that video. Did you?

I did not. I was actually asking. I don't really want to see videos that I shouldn't be saying. I don't like any police body can videos. They're always scary.

I love police body can. Love TikTok. They're on my for you page. Yeah. I'll watch like a hole.

I didn't know that was like a TikTok channel. Nothing to do with. I have no idea who these people are. And I hate when I randomly it'll show up like the furt part one will show up.

I'm like one of the first people to view it.

So part two is not coming for hours. It's just like this is for it. Fuck. Yeah. Torrible.

So I need to know what happened to that mom and the Walmart parking lot. It's just like random. I find a grass that come across you to pressing. I don't want to watch them. But Justin's made me like him more because there was like reports of him being rude.

He was incredibly nice. He was really friendly. He was really nervous. He was really. He was also like making jokes when he was reading that.

“A rest report and he saw his race and it's like why?”

I was laughing. I was like he's still funny in custody, like she was in the police station at that point. Still cracking jokes.

police in general, generalized statement.

But like they're just doing their jobs and those guys were definitely using their jobs. Yeah. So like for him not to be an asshole. And to just like take it as it is like a lot of people in his situation would have not played it the way that he played it.

He wasn't even the one who tried to get out of it based on me just like really. Yeah. When he was like, I don't know how to explain a amount of world tour.

“He was like, what are you up to and he was like, I'm on tour?”

Yeah. Like what are these posts say? I'm here because I've sold out Madison Square Garden 10 times in a row. Would you like to come? My point about this is, this is interesting.

I hadn't thought about it in this light.

I'm going to think about it that way. I was just like, I'm uncomfortable watching this. I don't want to watch it. The Taylor video horrible. I don't want to see children.

I don't want to see. I can't see that. Yeah. I'm, if y'all want to release a video of her and Dakota fighting, I don't really want to see that.

But like fine, releasing a video where child gets struck by a metal chair, I'm good. Just tell me it happened. That's all I need to know. And the fact, which I cannot for the life of me understand this, how the fuck the

dad of that child was never able to see that video, like the police wouldn't release it

to him. Baffles me. Wow. Does he not have a right to see that? All the indications that I've seen online.

This is not confirmed. But I've, all the indications I've read in comments. I've watched some videos from influencers. I'm going to suggest that TMZ purchased the video from an individual.

“And I believe TMZ also said that they were, it was given to them by a person, nothing”

of the courts. I believe. Correct. That's correct. From everything I've read too.

Yeah. And so if that person's not Dakota from what TMZ has said, but it could be Dakota's roommate. We don't know. We don't know.

But it seems like TMZ, the TMZ that they got from a person, they did not confirm what they paid for, they're not TMZ, is known to in the past to pay for that kind of thing. For example, I believe they paid for the video of Beyonce and Jay-Z in the elevator having to fight, like they pay for that kind of video that like, you know, turns into a scandal.

So it wouldn't be a crazy assumption that they did. And if someone sold that to TMZ, when they could have shown it to tape and just like text that was just Taylor's ex-husband father for other two children, that's just an incredibly fucked up thing to do. So that's just like being a really bad person.

We also said this on our podcast last week with Rachel, it seemed pretty evident last week and now even more so that like the slew of information that came up and the run up came out and the run up to Taylor's season, supposed to be coming out, also seemed like very coordinated. So none of this is to absolve Taylor at all, like she did what she did and we'll get into her behavior over the last few days, but someone was trying to take her down in a specific

way. And did. And did. Because they succeeded. There are a lot of names out there of good people comparing, whoever just, who I'm

pairing, whoever did this just even to Marko from Tommy Lys.

“Yeah, which I don't disagree with, the only thing, and I, she sent me, Jillian sent me”

this meme over the weekend and I saw a lot of the meme, there was so many of them. There was even people like talking about them and sure Dakota has a lot of similarities with his manipulation, all of that of Stephen Demarco, I would just argue that Taylor might be worse than Lyssey. Well, it's just really hard to understand how her actions in light of her child being struck

by a chair. Sort of like, it's hard to get past that. It's sort of like, for myself, for me, if I'm around like a getting injured and everything I'm doing stops, stops doesn't matter anything else. You stop and you just, you go, you pick up your kid, you want them to be okay, you take

care of them. Like that's it. So the fact that she doesn't even matter like the fact that she didn't even find lunch. Yeah, she just kept going, focused on Dakota.

Yeah, that's what was so hard to like be privy to. And so it's kind of like, I hesitate to even compare her to a fictional character who would like us, you know, very unwell, but Taylor clearly, and it was very evident from season four, is not of like soundbind. So there's a lot, there's like a lot going on there.

Yeah, I also saw many old podcast clips every surface of her after the incident.

The police report says the child had a goose knock on her, yeah, on her forehead.

The child was clearly hit. So I find it weird that you did not disclose this to the father and then lied about it over and over and over again on podcasts and based on how the cast is acting, which like, this isn't like a huge jump because of her behavior from what we've seen, but like, she clearly has not been easy to work with and there's so much that we don't know about her behavior.

“Did I think it stretched to her children?”

I did not. No. And I now do.

Uh, yeah, I'm like, I fell for it.

I fell for the edit, like we talked about this a little bit. Totally. We have been Taylor fans. We're like Taylor's a star. Taylor is the show and we're really excited about her being cast as the voucher at like, you know, I totally, totally own all that. I definitely like fell for it and, um, it not, it in retrospect feels really bad to have

like been such a fan of hers and to like be so horrible. Yeah, I'm like embarrassed and gross. Yeah, and also the other thing I was thinking about, I've brought it up so many times. But the fight with her mom and season four where she starts out lying and she just like goes so hard to the lies where she's just like denies, having up with Dakota, um,

she obviously slips between lies and not lies with extreme comfort. And so like, how do you believe someone like that? Like, if you, if you know her, like, how do you, how do you believe someone when they say?

And like, it's actually kind of amazing that the women are as loyal to her as they are.

Well, seems like that's changing a little bit. It does, but it also seems like maybe they fell for some of it, too.

“I don't know. I, well, that's what they come up with.”

They're trying to like imply, I think. Yeah, also interesting that you said Layla and Miranda have been the most outspoken, which they have from what we've seen. From the information that we have Miranda and Layla are also the more liberal leaning. And some wondering if they just their tolerance is just like lower or a bunch of things

that Taylor has done, not interesting. I would hope that everyone's like, well, this specifically, yeah, but I think they may have already been like annoyed with some other things that Taylor has done probably. Um, well, and it seems like they're both like, okay, with, not habit, because even with the whole Shania of it all, like, those two were more vocal than some of the other ones. Yeah, they're like, this is, like,

why are you so bad? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you see the Shania news over the weekend? No. Miranda and Shania are no longer friends at all. Oh, interesting. Because she had a three sum with Chase. Oh, my God. So Shania is just out here. We don't even know Shania. I don't think I'm going to talk about her. Shania had a three sum with Chase and Dakota's roommates X. Dakota's roommate is like, really in the mix right now. Rachel made a great point when she was like

“Dakota has to roommate. I do wonder when he has custody of ever, like, is the roommate involved?”

Like, what the fuck? It's so kind of no. So confusing. Well, I mean, let's be honest, ever is not in a good situation. No, it's definitely not. Um, I want to talk about Taylor and her behavior because she, I think one of the reasons why it may be ABC. I hope this decision. I do not see any contrition at all from her. I do not see any kind of, like, accountability. Yeah, or like, she just seems like pests that like she said she didn't get her

moment, but she's wearing like a provocative shirt and some pictures today. Like on the back, it says like, I will sleep with you or something. Um, I'm going to do you see that. I'm going to pull it up. And she's been like responding to people in comments, like in a very, like, sassy way. I would say, and it just, uh, it's not, uh, when you would say it's not a good look, it sort of decides the point. It's just sort of like, your risk of losing custody of your children based on this video and, like,

you're just responding to strangers and TikTok comments. Like, that's not, that's not how I recommend spending your time. She said to someone in her comments because people were like, why are you online? And she was like, what do you want to, what do you want me to do, sit in a room and stare at a wall? Like, it's my job to be online. And I'm like, well, maybe it's your job to get your kids back. Yeah, maybe it's time to get a different job. It's just all,

it's really, it's just, it's just not good. I feel pretty achy about over it. Do you want to continue watching the secret wife lies in Mormon Wives? Not if she's on it. I think that's like, I don't really

but like Rachel said, like Rachel was like, maybe take like a two year break and come back and talk

about like all the things you did. It's a JB. Yeah, it's like a interesting idea. She, I need her to step away. I need her to get her life together. I need her to go to therapy. I need her to do every single thing possible to make her make better decisions. It's not, it's not fun. I can't imagine how tight feels. He probably feels like an idiot. Like, there's a picture of him in Dakota, both of the court has the same time, like, by coincidence. If I was tight, I'd want to rip this

“out off. Like, you didn't think you should show me this video. It's pretty tiny, what happened?”

If they could be cool, each other, like, even with this out, it would be like completely inexplicable. Like, I just, I just don't get it. Like Dakota had the video because he's the one that filmed it

Dakota was there. So, like, he could have told Tate or sent Tate the video at any point in time.

And if it's true that Dakota's not the one who gave it to TMZ, he gave it to someone, somebody else was able to hand it over. So, I will say, kind of impressive that they were able to keep this hidden for years. I don't understand how. That's what doesn't really have been impressive to the word I want to use, but like, I think it's shocking that if multiple people had this video, how did it knock it out for this long? I don't know. There's a lot of things just

don't add up. Like, how did, like, yeah, like, how did the courts not inform the father of these other children? Yeah, like, apparently he asked and then he didn't get it. It's so crazy.

“I don't, I just don't know. How did they release the children back into Taylor's care?”

I don't know. It's very good to get charged with child abuse. I know, or convicted. It's really, wow. I don't know. I really, I really, really, I just don't know. And the thing I just, like, as it released the bachelor at, what I keep coming back to, an addition to the fight with her mom, is why they set up the season the way they did. Like, let's say they had moved forward with it, because this, this video hadn't come out.

It would have been so weird to watch this season, just like knowing about, like, her relationship with Dakota. And we know. After what we just finished wrong. Yeah, and we know about it, not because of what I'm reading online. Like, they kind of like kept that, they keep their drama offline for the purpose of the show, right? Like, or off camera as whatever. So, like, it was a choice by then by Hulu and by the production company of the secret lives of Mormonwives to, like,

portray Taylor and Dakota's relationship in this way. And I just can't understand Hulu and Disney wanting to set up their bachelor axes in that way. So, like, I am so confused about like what they were thinking they were going to get. And then there's this video of Jesse Palmer going around, because he had started doing some preseason press where he's like, the one thing I can tell you is that Taylor's drama is like, nothing we've ever seen before. And he said, like, he would say

to his wife, like, you're never going to believe what just happened. So, it does sound like it was

pretty rocky and like a pretty wild time. Like, Jesse was like trying to be like his peppy self, but you could tell that he was like, yeah, it was crazy. And it just seems like being in business the Taylor is challenging. So, I guess it must be worth it, like, because Mormonwives like a breakout show and the bachelor hat really needed, like, you know, a winning season. But it seems like working

“a Taylor definitely comes with a price. Like, that's what the, all the media is suggesting to me.”

It's, it's pretty strange that they, that they were even like considering this. But I will say, like, we all were excited. So, there was a reason why they were considering it. A lot of people were coming back to the show because of Taylor. I was excited about it. You were excited about it. The network was excited about it. I guess. But like, we did not have the same amount of information that they had. And they had multiple seasons of having to work with her and film with her. And like,

she wouldn't get ready. She'd wear sweats. She wouldn't brush her hair. She would show up late. She wouldn't go to things. Like, and they had, like, we don't even know the half of it. I'm sure it was not easy. Yeah. And they still were like, let's move forward with this. I did see some like random rumors online that, like, it wasn't a good season. And ABC thought that they couldn't go forward with it. So they purposely did this. I just know why they were. They lost a lot of money. Yeah. And I

think, like, it effectively kills the franchise. Like, even if they do, like, a redo voucher at, like, let's say this rumor, which I do not think is real about Leila and Miranda, where do we real? Like, that's a ways away. It's like far, that's far away. I also, I don't think I'll ever do two leads again, didn't work that well with Gabby and Rachel. Yeah. There's a lot of reasons about it. Really hard. Yeah. But like, they're now, and then, you know, one of the rumors is the

But everything needs to be rethought. Like, the paradise we saw last year was bad. We all agree, yeah. Though there are some lasting couples from it. So that's nice. But like, there's, you know, a few that we can support our face. But there's, there's just like, they need to really, like, start over. I don't think that, like, they should just not have something called the Bachelor anymore, because it's just too, it's just too well known. Like, there's so much brand equity in it. But

we've talked about it. Like, it still does give you a shift. It's three of it. I looked, it was

like, reading about it. At a ties, it was like nine million people and it's down to like three,

which is not very good for network, but like, huge for streaming. Like, that would be a great HBO Mac show. So, you know, or like, oh, it's just not horrible. Yes, it's not horrible. There's so much brand equity in it. But also, it's not, it is, it's not like insanely expensive to

“shoot. So, like, I think they make their money back. I guess, if they actually air the show and”

stuff. Well, obviously, obviously, this is a total L on TV. She's in. I also saw that some men want to sue ABC. Yeah, which is like, all this, like, I'm suing you're suing. I'm just like, I feel like all. Yeah, because then like Taylor apparently wants to sue. Yeah, they're only two camps here that really seem like they could even consider it. One, so network, the other Taylor. But like, what's she going to do? I think the men have a good case. You do? Like, you had all this

information and still put us in this situation. I guess that's true. I don't get your case. Like, Taylor, please, just go home and get better. Oh, yeah, I don't know. I definitely like not interested in following her anymore, but the men, I'm just sort of like, they must have signed away there. Yeah, I'm sure they did. Yeah, um, there's also a bedroom just like posting like, I'm doing okay. You're fine. I also, no one knows who you are. So like, thanks for letting us know that you're doing

okay. Like, who is this for? Like, nobody knows you. People being like, there was something like, things to everyone that's reached out. I'm doing okay. It's like, okay. Yeah, no did. We're at home. Thank you. Doing your life. Yeah. I don't, you're fine. God. Um, it's really those, those guys. And there's like, there's a reason why you went on the show in the first place I guess. You know, it's probably really upset. Lana Del Rey's ex who was on Taylor season who made himself very well

known on the first episode. I think his name was Clayton. I recall correctly. He was the one who's like, I'm not here to make friends. He said it over and over. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he did one. He's probably so pissed. He's like, I thought this is my take a lot of them are pissed from, like, losing cloud. Like, they did that first. The 30 days and no cloud. Yeah. I think Doug has, like, been wrapping online or something. Like, releasing songs online. There's hope for Doug and Taylor. I bet.

“I guess what do you think you should do? Like, do you have, that, that video for me would be like a”

never in my life will ever date you. Sure. That's what, like, you also wouldn't go on a dating

reality show. So no, no, no, but I'm just saying, like, I don't think Doug has any kids, but like, a lot of those guys had kids. Yeah. If I saw that video, so fucking literally not. I know it's terrifying. I'm like, I understand why the women don't want to be associated with her. Like, I really get it. I don't want to be associated. I feel horrible that I supported her. I know. I don't want her. Like, I feel bad for her because from everything we've seen, she doesn't have a lot of stable

support. She also doesn't get it. She's like the closest. The other thing is she doesn't get it from her behavior. It's, it's a hard to get it. If everyone around you either shit's on you even when

you're not doing anything wrong or tells you you're amazing because you're a famous and to make

money and bring them opportunities. Like, she doesn't have anyone around her that doesn't benefit from her at all. Yeah. That can like talk to her and she can hear what they're saying and believe them and know that they want the best for her. Like, it seems, and this is beyond even before she got famous. It doesn't seem like she's had anyone in her life really tell her, like, right from wrong or like, it seems like she has no clue. Like, when we watch her process information and how she

“reacts, I'm just like, you know, she's in like her reasoning for things. It's like, how did you get there?”

Yeah, she comes from, she obviously like, we see her mom. So that doesn't surprise me that much, but it's like being called a slut by your family because you had sex with someone. Yeah, it's awful. Like, if I'm a her at a certain point, I'd be like, okay, well, they're just going to say about things about maybe because they understand how the life works. And you start doing self-destructive shit because you believe that too. Yeah. Or it's either two things. You either believe it and you do

because you're just like, they don't understand. I think it's the first Taylor personally. I think

it's probably both. So she doesn't listen to anything that they say and she's doing self-destructive shit and the more time they tell her that she's doing it, she's like, they don't know what they're doing. Like, it's like, yeah, she's fucking cycle in her head. She's a clean right at this point. There's been like pictures of her like out and about not like on the town, but like running errands and stuff and I'm just like, I mean, like, yes, I don't want her to be like in a cave, but like, I can't imagine

leaving my house and not having my kids. Me neither. And like, losing an opportunity because of the things that I did and knowing everyone has seen this video of me. Yes, these pictures from yesterday that I mentioned to you, she's wearing this oversized sweatshirt on the back says can't wait to sleep

“with you. And it's just sort of where did she post them? I think that she was just photographed by”

paparazzi, but like, you got to know you're going to be followed if you're going out these days.

It's like, yeah, not great. But can we go back to the, like, what the bachelor should do with paradise? Like, if they just put it on. Do you have suggestions? Well, I was thinking of you with paradise. Like, that's the most salvageable, right? Like, that you can pivot the most easily to something that's more like love island and sort of like love island is almost born from paradise in a way, but the entire premise of the show kind of needs to change. And like the way that they approach it,

like the kind of hokey, like looking for love, like, could, could the lead find their one, like, that needs to go. Like, I think they need to lower the stakes because that's one of the things that works about love island is that it's sort of an even love is blind to an extent because like,

they don't always go through with it is like, this is less, this is not about finding a fantasy.

This is about like testing if something could work. And I feel like that's like in a way, even the ridiculous shows like love is blind in love island, they acknowledge reality all the time, whereas like the bachelor tries to keep it out. And that just needs to become something that's more grounded in like the real world. Instead of this fantasy that started in 2002. Last, I'm trying to remember bachelor and paradise. Did anyone get married or not married,

sorry, engaged? I don't know if they got engaged, but Bailey and the guy from Connecticut, Jeremy, are still together and Alexey. Alexey and Andrew and getting engaged. I remember them. No, but they said it was a great relationship. It's just not very hanging with the dude. It's always time I love it. I mean, it seems great. Yeah. Love them. So they're still together. It seems like

“Justin and Susie are still like on and off from what I've read. Oh, really? I think so. Interesting.”

I want them to be on. Who knows? Um, I think that's all I got. Dale and that's the reason. Dale and Kat broke up. Yeah. Wow. So, do they engage? I don't think so, but are they together? No, I'm got engaged. I don't think it's good. There shouldn't be engagements. Like it should just be like, yeah, let's date. Let's remember the name of the new show. Let's see. It seems like the contestants are like, yeah, we're not getting engaged. Yeah, because they had a choice to get

engaged or just be happy living like me knowing each other. Yeah. So that's that's the route. But I agree. They need to lower the stakes. They need to absolutely switch the location. It needs to be more fun. Maybe we can mix in some games in there, but like fun games. I don't even think that like having a celebrity more than sitting in this. Oh, there was one engaged couple. I think about Spencer and Jess. Oh, are they still together? That's a great

question. I haven't thought about that. I didn't even remember them. So I'm looking up right now.

“Did not either, but I totally remember them now. Um, I think they are still together.”

Let's see. Yeah, they're still together. Good. But again, those, those were four couples. Yeah. That's three. That got since three. Well, cotton bill. Oh, yeah. Were they got to make their own decision? And three of them were like, yeah, no, let's just be together. And two of those are still together. And one got engaged. And they're still together. So like, make your own decision. If you want to get engaged, you can get this real free Neil Diamond ring.

But if you want to just be together, because you know that's a crazy thing to do. Also, okay, you can still win that way. What kind of dating show do you want to see Miranda on? Like, what do you, like, if she's going to do televised dating, what does that, what does that look like? Because I just can't come up with a format for anyone who I'm like, I already know about you. Because love is blind. Is it interesting? Because it's like just Rando's from, you know, like,

talking to each other. The age of attraction is like, you know, another sort of like social experiment.

call with a format for someone who's too hot to handle. Like, that's what she should be on. You know,

“I mean, I mean, I would show. I don't know what the success rate of that show probably very, very low.”

But like, she's hot. She's young. Because that's the type of thing that she could do. Right. Because something like love Island is really well suited to people who don't have a lot to lose who are just sort of like want to hang out. And like, yeah, that's case in areas like you're a fun person who like, people want to be around. Like, that's, that's the best case scenario for love Island. Who don't have kids? Yes, don't have kids. Um, not saying you can't go on their kids,

but I feel like that if you don't have kids. Yeah. Um, Johnny, did I also heard roommate rumors will

hood up, which like, there was a big thing that happened this weekend with her, too. Um, I heard

there's rumors of Michaela Miranda, Macy, Whitney, maybe, Jenny, Whitney, no, maybe Jen. I don't know. There was a group of them because they're in LA, and I'm casting for secret life, some Mormon wives LA, which I didn't know there was a huge Mormon population in LA other than that huge church. Yeah. It's like a cross from the Grove, um, or not the Grove, the, um, centuries, or it's, uh, yeah, centuries, it's beautiful. Yeah. It's beautiful. Yeah. Um, I don't know if there's a ton of them,

but I'm sure they're like very wealthy based on. There you go. That's on the church. Yeah. I mean, an unreal church in the location. I can't even imagine how much it cost. So Michaela moved to LA. She's there, like, right now. And she's like, yeah, posting from the beach in Santa Monica. Um, Whitney's in New York. So I don't know if that would work with her because

“she's. Oh, for right now. Yeah. For right now. Um, I think that Macy's family is from California.”

I thought we're called correctly when she went to BYU. She was like, I think she grew up in Orange County. Um, so yeah. I mean, it could work. I think there's like a lot of conversations around spinoffs. There's just so much news. Also, Jesse and Jordan, he filed for divorce. And then apparently today, he got a restraining order. I have an, uh, it's came out while we didn't see that. Yeah. I also saw that people were saying, Chase's youngest sister. I think I was one sister. Chase and Mason's sister

was saying that, um, people think he's going to get arrested. Chase? No. Jordan? Yeah. For what? No one knows. There was like, everyone in the comments were like, arrested for what? She's this Christ. Oh my god. Which that might be like more information that's coming. I don't know. This is also crazy. These people are too crazy. They shouldn't be on TV. That's just thought I'm going to, I'm going to say. Macy, Michaela, maybe, although Michaela, I don't think so. Like a lot of these people are very

fragile. You know what? I really enjoy, which I'm sure you're going to laugh at me. Okay. But like the fact that Miranda and Chase still have a great co-operative relationship. And he's just out here having three sums with one of her best friends. It's kind of crazy. Like I, they seem like healthy co-parents. And I would like to know how that goes down. Like, how do you come back and be like, so? How do they send with Shinaia? I don't know. I also hooked up or tried to hook up with Taylor.

“I hooked up with Leila. Like Chase, who's off the board? Who can't you hook up with?”

I think to him, nobody. I think he's like, everyone's in play. Seems like it. Like these people. But like he's he's still like making videos and she's commenting on it like they're fine. So, I don't know what their arrangement is, but it seems to be

working. Also he posted it the cutest video taking his son to his first, I think it was hockey game

and his son literally looked like it was like the greatest moment on earth to him. That's great. Did they post their kids? Not like a ton, but yes. Interesting. Okay. We don't see them in the show, though, at all. Yeah. Which is definitely for the best. Yeah. It's also messy. I just, for the bachelor, I don't know the waste board word. I just really don't. But yeah, we don't know the way forward, but we know that we're changing our name. Yeah,

for sure, because they're done with the association. And we want to put other things. Let's talk what ladies of London, which has four episodes out. Catch up on peacock if you haven't watched yet. It is giving me life. Like, that is a kind of phrase that I don't use lately, but on Thursday, evening, I was like, yes, there's egg and watch another episode and I had a wait until like nine o'clock, where to be on. And I was like, I didn't even know it came out on Thursdays. I was furious. I love it.

I was like ready to go right away. I was like, it was like eight. I was like, I can't wait an hour.

It is so much fun. It is delivering in a number of ways. And I'm sorry to get into morally crap territory, but I'm just passionate. So just bear with me. I'm going to cover it on morally crap. So

“I know you totally fine, but I think we will because it's so good. So good. The casting is unreal.”

If you're going to do ladies of London and it didn't have the last time, it didn't hurt it, but it was notable. There was no real connection to the monarchy to the royals. And there are two great connections this time. Like, one woman is like, Emma is legitimately a part of the aristocracy of England. She's married to like the eighth barren of something. She's a barreness. Also a Vid Countess. And then

this woman, Dara, who went to the University of Florida, Cali. Her ex husband and she have a child.

And her child's stepmother is, I believe Princess Beatrice of the Royal Family. So she is like directly as direct ties. I will say Princess Beatrice's father is the man formerly known as Prince Andrew. So extremely disgraced and I would not want to have any connection to them, but I'm not Dara. But direct connection to the actual royal family. So the actual royal family currently at the top of the monarchy of the United Kingdom. So like, on those two notes alone, this show is delivering.

On top of that, it's very entertaining. Like, I was trying to tell our two colleagues like the two big storylines so far. And I was like, this is not man you factured. Everything that's happened, like seems to have been somewhat organic. Wait, which two storylines are you referring to? It was just a bunch. There's one one is

clearly. It has to be one of the ones you're thinking of, but I'm interested in what your second

“one is. Dara, the woman. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. She is accused of being a madam.”

It's not really what she did. I don't know that she's not a madam. All the TikToks were like, she's a madam. Like, anyone who is accused of being a madam does not react like that if you're not one. She doesn't. Yeah, she doesn't like say how dare you. She just sort of was like, if you're in college, she's like, she was like, oh, okay. I don't even remember her reaction to be honest. Like, I'm an architect, but do you want to hear real drama? That's that was her. Do

you want to hear real gossip? I don't care about that. Do you want to hear real gossip? And the real gossip was like, oh, nothing burger. What was it? I don't know, I don't remember. She was like, at the wedding I was at this weekend, our mutual friend did not like that your friends with

“somebody else. Okay. That's what we're transitioning to. Um, so Dara in addition to being accused”

of being a madam would drive her off the television show. She quits after a few episodes. But is she off? And she's on the last episode. I know I thought she quit though. I quit. I mean, she really said it sprinkling it out. Um, she has a friend that predates the TV show her name is Micah and my K. A. A woman not M. I see a age like my son. And I did, I did think, wow, great name for a girl, too. Yes, I didn't think of it. I did think of that one. Yeah. If Micah, you know,

identifies as a woman, one of the changes name. Um, it's a great, great name. Um, yeah. Micah from ladies of London. I want to say I find her cool, but Dara accuses her of being cringe and another woman over here from the cast and tells Micah. And then Dara refutes it and says I didn't say that. And then 30 seconds later off camera to a producer while still Mike says, yeah, I didn't say those things. Then comes back on camera and says she didn't. It's so good. It's so good. I'm like,

I do like that. Micah was like cringe is a word that they're uses. Yeah, I think she said. Yeah, V2. Um, it was entertaining. It was a kind of thing that happened in early days of housewives in the U.S. I was like, this is, yeah, it kind of does remind me of like old New York, like the vibes of how it shot and everything. Um, the, and then so Dara fully quits the show. Like says, I don't think that I'm ready to be on TV, but also like her overall like vibe is off. Like she's

just, um, I'm like, I want, I want Zana. I think what's happening? She actually she doesn't know what reality TV is and she's like surprised by what's going on. It's like, what did you expect? Like, this is, but beyond that, like, they accuse her of multiple things. They accuse her of relying.

whole time, she's just like, okay. Yeah, it's pretty weird. She's sort of like, yeah, I don't think so.

Yeah, fully quits. And then agrees to film again. So I'm like, is she quitting? Well, she'd be on the next episode. Uh, she's out of the group. She hasn't been in any of the group outings since they're where she was like, oh, that's true. Well, yeah. I mean, she's a horrible friend. And then, um, when she agrees to come back and film with Micah, she's just like,

“are you gonna believe me or not? Like, I've been so loyal to you and Micah's like, what?”

What's the good she doesn't work for you at anything? She's just like, she just keeps saying, like, okay. But who cares? We're friends. She doesn't understand friendship. Or like, normal flow of conversation. Like, she doesn't like, you can say like, hi, how are you? And she's just gonna be like, what's your day like today? Like, she's like, can't hear information and respond normally. She's in her own world saying her own things and everyone just has to like,

move to her beat. It's so funny. But I do think that she is a madam. I don't have information that she's not. All I've been told is that she is and there's been no evidence to the contrary. So she might be. And she is, what a family tree. Seriously, it would be appropriate for the royal family in my opinion. Like, that tracks.

Okay, so that's one story line. And that was all covered in the first like two and a half episodes,

mind you. And then it's like, like, it might still be ongoing. Then another story line that's now taken hold is that one woman on the show, her, her, her husband, her brother, was murdered and broad daylight. You shot in London. They don't run his wife in front of his wife in child. They don't have guns in England. So this is like a very big deal and something that's very Googleable. It happened in 2016. Her name is Missy. So Missy's brother was murdered. And

she tells a woman about this in this sort of like a sharing moment. And one of them in this

“printer van afterwards, she was just like, yeah, that's what happens when drugs are involved.”

And she just has like very little sympathy for it. And again, I just want to say the British people

are not inoculated to go on violence because they don't have guns. So it's like a very big deal.

Most Europeans are that way. It is a very big deal. It's just unfortunately here in America. There's just been violence every hour. And even in America, someone's brother getting shot in front of their wife in child is a big deal. Yes, especially in these circles. Like these are people that are generally well off. Yes. So this woman Kimmy is like, that's what happens. She's sort of like, that's what happens when you're involved with drugs. And I did Google it. There

was rumors. This was like tied to some kind of like organized crime. But nevertheless, she had like literally no sympathy. She was just like, yeah, I read about it. I remember. And she just sort of

“like did care. So these women are just like, they're mean to each other. And it's it's delivering.”

And we didn't even talk about the zoo on one person's home. A literal zoo. Well, I'm has a lot. I'm happening on her home. I love Emma. One more thing. Yeah. It wasn't just that. It was someone's brother getting shot. It was someone's dad almost dying of cancer. It was, what was there? There's another person that had a really, really traumatic story. These women that have trauma. That's for sure. Oh, what's the one lady who lives

of the bird? What's her name? Martha. She lives with a magpie. And she accidentally gave her keys to someone who is now ghosting her. And she for some reason can't change her locks. Also had a stalker and had to move and had to completely restart her life. She was like, then she was poor and she was rich and actually back to being poor. Every person had like some traumatic story. They give back in the spinnerman and Kim is just like,

what the fuck was that? Like, I don't want to hear sob stories. And everyone was like, it was a literal sob story. Like, that is a story that people saw over. And everyone else was like, wow, that was so nice to be vulnerable with each other. Yeah, it was fun. Kim was like, if I could express her overall attitude with one sound, it was like, get me out of here. And the funny thing is Kim is American. All of the, all of the brits and like the non-americans

were like that was so nice. Wait, Kim is American? Yes, she just speaks of like a weird kind of British accent. Yeah, there's a lot of Americans on the show, which makes it good. There's like, and then there's this woman Margo, who is American, but is famous in the UK for being in my famous. It's said my famous for being in the most like graphic movie of all time. It's actually explicit movie of all time, which I haven't heard of. I can't wait for that. That's coming because

to grind um, it's kind of, but like, not Martha has the magpie. Kim he has no sympathy or empathy. It's also we have it's Greg. Is that his name? The the man on it. Mark Mark. Mark. Mark.

Genius move to finally cast a gay man in the in the show. Like not a friend of not appearing.

He's the narrator. It's such a genius genius move. Like great job everybody. I love it. I really recommend this show. If you're looking for, despite the stories we just told you, if you're looking for some lightness, it's ladies of London in the rain. I also really like with the whole hearing, Darah talk about Mike, Missy asked seven people. Should I say something they're all like, no, just just leave it alone. Don't get involved with other people's business

and Missy was like, got a teller. So I was hoping someone would tell me too, but if everyone's telling me now, the only person that told her to do it was Martha. And Martha, Martha openly is like,

“I like the drama. So she's like, don't listen to me, my life's fucked, but I think you should tell her.”

It's so good. It's a great thing. I found my person that's going to tell me I can say something.

I'm saying it. It's really good. London tells us it's like great for this because it's under exposed on teeth for American reality today. I think in general I watch a lot for it. I need to be shocking. I know. I think it's because a lot of them won't do it. I just feel like a lot of them are like, no, or they go in love islands. They're much younger. Yeah, I mean, this group of women is a, is this like a steel for, for Bravo. Like Emma is like pretty well-known in the U.S. and the U.K.

Yes, if you Google her, I can't believe she said yes to this, but I'm happy she did. Me too. I can't believe it. I think they must have paid her a lot of money. She's the one who's legitimate monarchy. She's the eighth barren barren asset. I mean, she lives in the biggest house in the U.K. It's called Long Leats and they literally built a safari park on it. Like it's a zoo so you can come like sea lions and tigers. Her name is also have a separate safari in Africa. Her name is Lady Emma

“Tyne, and she's the Marquean asset boss. I think I have a lot of mutual friends with her. Oh, really?”

Should we get her out of the pot? All the time. When when she popped up on the show, I was like, is that that Emma girl? You see you're on Instagram all the time you're saying? Yeah, like with friends though. Interesting. Wow, Kelly. Emma. Tyne, T. H. Y. And then her, her, her, her husband's name is like Cluin. It's like an old Anglo-Saxon name. It looks Welsh because it's so old. Like this is what we're dealing with here people. It's like, yeah. Like the one thousand 15 friends in comp, 16 16

mutuals with her. Wow. Interesting. Yeah. Last time this happened where someone from a new bravo show had Instagram connections with you. It was brand what failed. Remember, she DMed you. Let out there. Yeah. For your knowledge. Yeah. She's friends with one of my, that's where it is. Okay. Yeah. She's friends with a few people, but she's actually like good friends with one of my

“really, really good friends. No. Okay. That's why I see her when she's in LA. I think I see her,”

my friend with her. Okay. I think I just thought she was pretty, so I remember her, but then when she popped up on the show. Yeah. When she popped up on the show, I was like, I think that's that Emma girl. Well, maybe we can get her on the pod. Okay. Last topic of the day. Oh my gosh. I'm so excited to talk about this. I haven't watched jury duty season two yet, but you just popped out of your chair. You're dancing. You're so happy. Yes. Okay. jury duty season one. I was crying laughing. I know

you loved it. You loved I loved it. More than I think most people. I think people liked it. Yeah. I think maybe one of you were like dying. I don't know what it was. It was popular. It was noted, but like it wasn't huge the way that I was just don't think we'd seen anything like it. Agreed. I my former coworker was actually in it. Oh. Wow. So I think that also made it interesting. Yeah. He was on the jury. And he said that the guy had no idea. So it was also like,

it's a crazy. Good to know that it actually is real. You know? Yeah. So this season, everyone's like, how does this guy not know about it? But like, it's been three plus years since the first year. Can't say I'm thinking about jury duty season one. Very often. I, for how much I loved it, completely forgot about it. Yeah. So I think a lot of people could have completely forgot about it or

never seen it. It was popular, but I wouldn't say like everyone knew what it was. Also, it was on

like a channel that doesn't exist anymore. It was like Amazon FreeV. Yeah. So yeah. So I just feel like there's

The part where I'm like, could he at some point be like, this is too crazy. This can't be real.

Maybe. But like, I guess for me, I'm just like, I don't care because these improv actors are so funny. Doesn't really matter. Sure. I'm watching it. Yeah. I'm watching it. It's like wrestling for the office. They're just like into it. Yeah. I'm just like, this is scripted show for me. And it's fucking hilarious. And on top of it, even like the percentage of me that believes that this guy thinks this is all real, which they must have to interview so many people to find the right type

“that you have to find a guy like Ronald from season one. And they absolutely found it with”

this guy like he's just such a nice guy. It's so good. I just can't understand how these actors

don't laugh. Me neither. I don't get it either. But that's why they're paid actors.

My friend that was on, or my coworker, that was on season one. Apparently he was an actor, didn't know that. So what's the season two? What's the concede? He's a temp worker for this company who's doing a documentary on their company because they're CEOs retiring. So it's their last company retreat and they're just like filming everything to give it to him, like it's like a going away present. So they're on a trip. They're on their company retreat. Oh my god. Like a camp. Can you imagine

going on a retreat with people you don't know. Does he have to have a roommate? Does he have his own room? He has his own room. Thank god. Yeah. Okay. But like the stuff that happens. I'm going to say it to

watch it. Oh, it's as good as this is in one. Oh, it's so different. But like I've probably

“laughed. I mean, I think it's as good as season one if you believe that he doesn't know it's real.”

Also, the company is called rock and grandma's hot sauce. Is there really hot sauce everywhere? There's bottles of hot sauce. And the boss's son is taking over for him. So that's also being announced at this retreat. And the boss's son becomes very close to the temp worker. And he's like, you know, I don't want people to think I'm just getting this because of my dad. Like people look at me like I'm Ronnie James. And the temp worker's just like, yeah. Oh my god. There's

but there's no like James Morrison, right? Like there's no one famous. No, there's this one which I've just been reading comments because I want to know like what people think. A lot of people are loving it. One person keeps which this proves this person wrong. There's a few people that are like, how does he not recognize this actor? There's an actress that was in season one that's also in season two. But I don't even know who it is. It's a white woman. Okay. We'll have to figure that out.

I'm going to watch it. See, he's watching it. So you don't think he is any idea. I don't at this moment. I don't know if I will see. But I also like don't care. It's so fun. I just don't want him to be upset. As long as he's not upset about it at the end that I'm positive. As so far, I think if he found out that it was not real, he'd be like, oh, thank god. Like I don't need to be mad. I think he's they've put him in some sticky situations already.

And some of the film, like some of the shots that they've gotten are like really far away. So that like he doesn't know that they're following that exact moment. So you get to see him like try to like process what to do. And you know what I mean? Cool. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Okay. I'm in check it out. I'm laughed. Great. I'm really happy for you. It's good. Good to find you. Enjoying TV. In these moments, we're no one is supposed to be laughing. Like

he can't help himself. It's great. So he keeps like covering his mouth when he's like trying not to laugh. So he's the one when he falls on the floor. Oh my god. Laughing. Because he's just like, this is obvious. And then he like gets himself up really quickly and like stops. Because he's like, oh, this is serious. Okay. Yeah. I'm going to watch it. I look forward to it. Please text me. I would like to, I'd like a live tag. I need, I need like a new show in addition. There's only three episodes

out. Unfortunately. I gotcha. That was great. To bend the entire thing. But well,

“good things come to those who wait. I've been told. Okay. That's what we got for you. We back”

on 3rd day. Talking to age of attraction and more. I'm sure there'll be more news to cover. Thank you to our producer, Olivia Crary. And we'll be back on 3rd day.

Just a little bit of a scratch and then the head of this is stymed. Oh, no. Not like the story is like my safe space.

“Hmm. Do you think everything is safe? Yeah, exactly. Like the story is like the story of the story that I just understand.”

The story of the studio, the job or the music. It's like the story of the story. I don't think it's like the story.

The story is like the story. With the story. With the story.