Part Four: Jimmy Savile: Britain's Unending Nightmare

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“That's what you do with your friends, you know?”

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With me mentioning that we're gonna talk more about the Duncroft approved school for girls. And like approved schools, or government approved schools,

“where you like send kids who are having trouble, right?”

One of the things happening at the time is that in this period of mental health history in the UK, there's this kind of belief that you have a girls, or kids in general, who are having specific kinds of problems that are like troubled mentally to a significant extent.

In some cases, it's best if the state treats them, rather than their family, right? - Sure. - And Duncroft is an experimental facility, which sought to use psychotherapy, too,

as Davies writes for, in his book "In Planned Sight," correct the behavioral defects of the girls placed in its care.

who were seen as intelligent, right?

“Now, what that really means is that these are the children”

of prominent and wealthy families, primarily, not like exclusively, but a lot of Duncroft girls come from quote-unquote "good families," right? Per the book in Planned Sight, girls were sent to Duncroft for a variety of misdemeanors.

One girl who arrived at the school as a 14-year-old in 1972 insisted years later that half the girls were there as punishment for being the victims of sexual abuse, the crime of having sex underage, as we thought it.

Others were put in Margaret Jones's care that's the woman running the facility for dabbling with drugs and Erexia, a tipping suicide, or for running away from children's homes or abusive parents.

So some of these kids are just kids who got had been shuffled through the system, but were noted as being like intelligence, and so it's worth trying to reform them. But a lot of these girls are like rich girls

who have embarrassed their parents.

And it's really 'cause they have to say it. Yeah, and often embarrassed them by getting molested. Sometimes buy their parents, or buy an uncle, or something, or these rich creeps. Yeah, so that's kind of what's going on here.

Now, as I noted, the headmistress of the school for much of its existence was Margaret Jones, and she absolutely loved Jimmy Savel. Because Duncroff was a school for the daughters of prominent people it attracted a lot of celebrity attention

when fundraising was needed. Savel very quickly became the most prominent and reliable famous friend of the school for an obvious reason. It gave him access to teenage girls.

Because Savel was seen as a good volunteer. He was allowed to sleep overnight at Duncroff with some regularity. He was even allowed to take, yeah, yeah, they let him crash there. That is crazy.

Yeah, it's wild how many hospitals and facilities just do that.

Yeah, he stays overnight a bunch of times, huh?

Happens constantly. He was even allowed to take girls off campus in his car for day trips. Many of these patients were eager for the opportunity

“to escape because it's not a fun place to be, right?”

Margaret's theory is that one of the ways you fix these kids who have behavioral problems, you give them like shitloads of chores. So like constant chores are seen as like a therapeutic aid. So it's a boring place where you're being like kept away

from your friends and your music and like parties and the things that like a normal teenage girl would like and you're just doing chores all the time. And then this famous guy shows up and is like, hey, anybody wanna ride?

You wanna leave school for a day, right? You could see why this is appealing to a lot of these young ladies. - Yeah, but it's starting at night. - But it's running these places that are allowing-- - Margaret Jones.

(laughing) - Qualified people, Sophie. Qualified people who love this man, Jimmy, who's just good at raising money. He's a saint.

He's the next best thing to a saint pretty much, you know? All he does is raise money for good causes and volunteer is time. He's other celebrities are out partying and living it up.

Jimmy's volunteering is an orderly, you know? And a bunch of hospitals. Like a surprising, a suspicious number of hospitals. And he sleeps there a lot. What a great guy.

Now, starting one of the weird things about this is that Margaret's nephew is a guy named Myron Jones and it's spelled weird in the British way. Myron Jones becomes like a journalist, like a BBC journalist and actually is one of the guys

who will report on Jimmy later. But as like a kid, he just is seeing Jimmy at Duncroft regularly when he's visiting his aunt

“and like I think his parents both work there”

at least part time. So he's around Duncroft all the time. And he just notes like, we'd guess. Around a lot. He would later say he was full of banter,

though had no real conversation as such. I had a feeling that he was somebody with whom you didn't really know what was going on. One time, Myron saw Savile leave the school with three girls in the back of his convertible.

He recalls his parents getting angry about this and confronting his aunt about it. And her response was just, he's a friend of the school. Why are you worried? He's a friend of the school.

It's okay. It's fine. Don't look into it. So convenient. It's really convenient.

We don't know how many Duncroft girls reviews by Savile. But after the coming of the internet, increasing numbers of former patients began discussing abuse that they had endured

while it'd done Croft on the internet. In 2008, and at that point, 50 year old woman named Carrie wrote a biography as part of a therapeutic exercise to deal with a lifetime of trauma and abuse, which had started in care homes and approved schools,

including Duncroft, where she'd been sent in 1972 at age 14. So she writes this autobiography as like a therapeutic exercise. And she publishes it online. And in this online autobiography,

she writes about the people who molested her. One of whom was a celebrity. And she doesn't want to give us name because, again, the UK has really strict libel laws. So she just calls him "JS."

"Who do we think that is?" (laughs)

Hmm, could it be Dame Judy Lynch? I don't know, it's impossible to say. She's wrapped it in such a cipher.

We'll never know, likely.

Yeah, so she writes about this celebrity JS, who visits Duncroft regularly. And whenever he shows up, he brings cartons of cigarettes for the girls and records, which he hands out as gifts. That tells you a lot about the time

that like the number one gift for 14 year old girls, cigarettes. cigarettes and records. (laughs) And it's so normal like the facility is like, of course the girls can have cigarettes.

Obviously, we've got to keep them away from their friends and from like going to shows and hanging out, but they can smoke, of course. We're not demons here. Obviously, they need their three packs a day.

Jesus. I was reading something where like in the '60s, the average American smoke like 4,000 cigarettes a year, what a time we need to go back. Now that we know they're harmless,

“I think we need to go back to smoking all the time, guys.”

You know? What episodes hard enough? This isn't episode sponsored by the Health SIGARET. The Health SIGARET. It's a cigarette that's good for you.

We hadn't figured it out, but if you give us enough money, we'll invent one. It's the one funny part. It is the one funny part. Is that all these kids are chains smoking?

Oh man. Just cartons it. Yes, this man came to the girl's school with cartons of cigarettes and records and then stayed overnight.

No way to have known he was doing something bad. How could we have guessed he was hurting these kids? The least he could have done to these kids is give them pants. So Carrie came to cherish Savals visits

because it meant an escape from her boring ordinary day-to-day life and it meant that she got attention, right? Kids like attention get neat attention. It is good for them to some extent.

It's necessary for children to have attention from adults. And when you're in a place,

your fucking family's basically been like,

"Yeah, ship or off to the fucking kid jail "where you're just doing chores all the fuck, "you're desperate for attention." And here is a famous charismatic guy beloved by the whole country,

including the Royals and the Prime Minister, and he's paying attention to you. You can see why that's appealing to a fucking 14-year-old, 15-year-old girl, right? So she likes the visits, like she cherishes them,

but she also writes, quote, "It, it being hanging out "and going on a day trip with Jimmy "also meant one had to put up with being mold "and grope when he pulled into a lay-by "some five miles along the road.

"I wasn't the only girl JS favored with this either. "In fact, he often tried to press me "to go further than simply fondling him "and allowing him to grope inside my knickers "at my partly formed breasts.

"He promised me all manner of good things "if I would give him oral sex. "And eventually, she agrees and does it. "And the bargain is that Savel will take her "to see him record one of his TV shows at the BBC.

"And he does follow through with this promise.

"As far as I can tell, I think he pretty much always does.

"Like when he promises to take a girl he's molesting "to go see an episode of whatever show "be recorded at the BBC or to meet the Beatles "or whatever to get into a concert, "he pretty much always, as far as I can tell,

"follows through." - Well, thank God. - Well, thank God for that. - It's easy, like it's easier, like if you're actually not following through some people, I'm gonna tell, right? - Yeah. - Like you'll deal with more problems.

This isn't a good thing about him.

“It's just, that's how it works better, right?”

And this is a big part of why the BBC is implicated because over the years, Jimmy takes, we'll never know how many, at least, dozens, probably hundreds of girls that he is abusing on to BBC property for a period of nearly half a century.

For decades, he is taking teenage girls, maybe taking teenage boys he's abusing too. I don't recall coming across those accounts, but he's definitely for decades, taking underage girls that he is molesting and raping

on to BBC property. In order as part of the abuse, that's part of the quote-unquote transaction that he's arranged with these kids. And so the BBC, like his abuse of hundreds

and hundreds of children and adults, would not have been possible without the eager and ready assistance of the British broadcasting corporation. There is simply no other way to say it.

The BBC was a rigid organization with a strict hierarchy where talent set up top and a culture of fear as identified by the Dame Janet Smith review ensured lower-level employees new reporting abuse

“by a star would be the end of their careers, right?”

So it's just known. You don't talk shit about the performers. They're the ones making money for everybody so they get to do what they want. And if you're trying to ruin the party,

you're not gonna have a career at the only place

in Britain at this time. That's good.

- It's the career and the libel laws.

- Yeah, like make this terrible combination. - That's exactly right. It's this mix of these two things

“that I think is most of why this happens, right?”

And the complicity of the British ruling class who needs Jimmy to make austerity seem more palatable. As the 1980s war on, several grew only grew more and more skilled at fighting victims and discouraging them

from talking to anyone. This was not hard since the man had become a regular guest, not just in Margaret Thatcher's household. She like invites him over for holidays sometimes. Like he comes over and has dinner with some regularity.

And he is also a somewhat regular guest of the royal family. In 1985, Savel convinced Prince Charles and Prince has died to guest host to two-hour anti-drug special called Drugs Watch with him.

- That's good. - Again, we know he's drugging some of the girls in boys that he's raping, right? We have reports of that. Sometimes just giving them alcohol.

But like, anyway, thanks for the anti-drug PSA. Jimmy, I'm sure it helped. That same year, yeah, it must have. I think God Prince has died

and Prince Charles were there too, you know, really to linden air of responsibility to the proceedings. I'm sure that got a lot of kids at a bad places. Now, that same year, during an event for health care officials,

Prince Charles jokingly referred to Savel as my health advisor. He talks about him constantly. Savel was also known to Pope John Paul II, who met so Pope John Paul like England during this period,

for like the first time a Pope had visited London

in some period of time. I don't know, but it was a big deal. Obviously, given like the history of the Church of England, how the Church of England starts as this break away from the Catholic Church

and there's generations for which the Catholic Church is suppressed violently in England and in Ireland, obviously. So the fact that a Pope is visiting England is like a big deal, right?

And John Paul II, he'd been shot over in the USSR. He's like a big deal, Pope. And one of the first people, the Pope meets when he lands in London. This is on TV.

This is a major event.

“Is he walks right up to and shakes hands with Jimmy Savel?”

This is like a major part. Like he's one of the first people, the Pope meets in England. 'Cause Savel's like a famous Catholic. - Is the Pope ironically the only non-pedophile in this story? - Oh, I wouldn't, I don't, I don't,

I don't want to go to bat for J.P. The second, that hard. - Okay. - He definitely, I am certain, again, I'm not an expert on John Paul II

specific involvement in the Catholic Church's covering up of sex crimes, but I don't believe he was uninvolved. So I'm certainly not gonna say that. He was the Pope while the Catholic Church was hiding. Like, yeah, I doubt he was completely in the clear.

I'm not an expert on his involvement, right? - Sure, sure, sure. - He's right. Large in its happening in his organization. So, in the rare, but not that rare instances,

where people did try to report on Savel's behavior, as I noted, he has an expert on the UK's libel laws. And these, to make a long story short, your law sucks, UK, and I know I'm in the United States. We've got a lot of shitty laws and a lot of stuff.

UK libel laws are fucking bullshit, and it's a massive problem.

“This is a part of the problem with like rallying, right?”

Where people are getting a legal trouble for saying accurate things about J.K. rallying, being a fucking bigot, like Jimmy Savel is very good, and a lot of bad people are very good at using the UK's libel laws as a weapon,

in order to make sure people don't report on the bad things that they're doing.

And basically, if you're trying to talk about some of these rumors

or even reports, and you can't prove outright that Savel's a child predator, reporting even reporting on individual allegations could get you in massive trouble. You have to be extremely careful.

Now, I think people are even more cowardly in the media than the real level of legal risk justifies. I think there is added cowardice on top of that, but the cowardice starts with the chilling effect that's created when you have laws like this.

So any journalist or paper that wanted to write about Jimmy is going to be beset with legal effects, which, I mean, the end result of this is that in most publications throughout most of the period of time,

where Jimmy Savel is abusing people, they're just automatically spiking any story about his private life, quote unquote private life. Any time anyone wants to talk about is Jimmy Savel raping people,

those stories just get spiked automatically, 'cause legal's not gonna let it through, right? We even try, right? Who's gonna, who would wanna risk your newspaper's survival to report on some, he said,

she said thing about a beloved humanitarian, like Jimmy Savel. That's the argument being made, by most of the major editors

for decades. - I do get it though, 'cause it's your publication, I'm not lying. - And you don't know, you know, if you're not plugged into this whole world,

you don't know the truth, and maybe all you're hearing is, oh, he's dating a lot of like 18 or 17-year-old, that's legal, I may think it's gross, but I'm not gonna destroy my newspaper to report on a guy having legal sex with someone who's young.

“- Yeah, that's how a lot of people think about it, right?”

Now that said, a lot of people go much further than they need to in clamping down on this, even based on the fear, 'cause of just like cowardice and it's easier, and in some cases, Jimmy's writing columns for their fucking papers,

as we talked about in the last episodes or last week. So it was Jimmy Ghost from his 30s to his 40s. Rumors continue to dog him about his outrageous lifestyle,

but it's never framed as pedophilia, right?

It's always, he's just this eternal bachelor, he's really got an active social life, he's always surrounded by girls, but in the way that they don't be in literal children, even though that's actually what's happening,

like that's how people talk about this. When he's interviewed and stuff, 'cause people ask him like, hey, it's weird, you're not married, did you have any like serious long-term relationships?

Are you like with anybody long-term? He would justify the fact that he never got married or had long-term relationships by explaining his belief that being in a relationship causes brain damage, particularly in women,

and he wants to avoid the brain damage, right? And in fact, he gets wealth, yeah, yes, but you get brain damage when you get married. And I just don't want any of that brain damage in my life. And as he gets wealthier, and he purchases like--

Hey, quite a newly led, how's that going for you? Yeah, yeah, how you doing? Has the brain damage? Yeah, I mean, I will say being in a relationship does do a kind of brain damage to you,

“but it's a good one, I think, on the whole, you know?”

It's necessary.

You're never-- you're not avoiding brain damage as a person, you know?

Everyone-- everyone gets something. But Saval is so worried about this quote-unquote brain damage that even as he gets rich and he buys homes and condos across the country, he makes sure that there-- he has all of his houses refitted to take the stoves out

and to take the kitchen out, because he thinks that having a proper kitchen is part of what makes girls get brain damaged. This is like a thing he'll talk about, and then if he-- What?

That's-- That's just-- This is just cover, right? This is him coming-- I don't think he actually even believes this necessary.

This is him coming up with cover for why he's not with anybody long term, right? You know, everyone knows he's dating is on dates all the time. Everyone knows he's const-- because he talks about--

and his co-workers will be like, hey, he talked about his sex life. He said, oh, I was with a bird this weekend, or a lovely bird that went out to the coaster, whatever.

But they never hear their names or their ages.

And they just assume he's a star who's sleeping with a different woman every night. That's not what's happening. But that's the assumption people make. And it's an assumption people are kind.

“I think often consciously forcing themselves to make,”

because they know something is bad, but they don't want to stir the pot, right? So he's like, yeah, he's a real swinger. He's a hip guy, you know? He's just got a large appetite, sir, whatever.

People find ways to have it not be their problem. I feel like the libel laws should cover the slander against all grown-up women in relationships. Yeah, not shockingly, it doesn't. That you're clear on.

Sable would also publicly, in interviews, he would repeatedly insist that he hated children, right? Like, I don't like kids. I don't like them at all. That's why I'm not in a relationship.

That's why I don't have any. I just don't actually like them. - Doug, were you not hosting a child show? - What? - Yeah, yeah.

That people thought that was weird. It got people talking, right, about the people. He hates kids, but he does this child show. He's basically Santa Claus. That's odd.

And in the twilight of Jimmy's career, documentary in Louie Thoreau asked him, like, why do you say this? Like, why do you say you hate kids? Because I see you on TV, it doesn't seem like you hate kids,

based on how you perform with them on stage. And Sable was like, well, yeah, that's a lie, basically. And his exact response was, we live in a very funny world. And it's easier for me as a single man to say, I don't like children, because that puts a lot of

salacious tabloid people off the hunt. - Okay. - Hunt of what, Jimmy? - Hunt of what? And Louie kind of asks, this is, I love Louie as a general rule. He doesn't go hard enough.

He does do more than a lot of journalists did at the time, but it's not nearly enough in this interview. 'Cause he does basically ask him, are you a pedophile? And Jimmy's like, no, of course not.

But, you know, I don't want anyone looking into my life. And so I just lies like this or easier. It stops you from looking into your life. But you're just saying, you're trying to throw people off the hunt.

- Musters to this show, I've made references.

I have a long-term partner that I've been with for a while. Like, I have a personal life, I have a romance. I don't talk about it in detail, 'cause people on the internet are weird. And like, if you go into detail,

if you let people know who you're seeing or whatever, like, folks are fucking, like, you don't want the internet is filled with oddities. And people, I've had people make very uncomfortable decisions. - There are difference between being private and secret.

Thank you. - But this is a big difference. He's specifically saying, no, no, no. I just lie about hating kids because that way people don't look into what I really do with them.

He's saying that, he admits that. And it's an interview like 2000, but like, he's not completely hiding this shit.

“- I am proud of Thero for asking, are you a pedophile?”

(laughs) - Yeah, we'll talk about Louie a little bit more. - Oh, yeah. - There's a lot, this is probably, I mean, I think definitely,

the most critiquable moment of his career, I say that as a guy who's a general fan of the man's work, how he handle Savel is not, he's not proud of it. I'll say that much. We'll talk more about that, okay, okay.

But it's all this stuff. These rumors about his outrageous lifestyle and like how promiscuous he is, which he does talk about. It's interpreted again that like,

this is just consensual sex with adult women. But the fact that he's talking about this at all does nearly derail, Jimmy becoming surge, right? This is something that continually is a problem for him for like a decade is,

well, we don't want to give a nighthood to a guy who talks about this kind of stuff.

“But O'Maggy, she keeps pushing, you know?”

Like, she really is dedicated to this cause. And for an idea of how well known at the time, people are really aware that Thatcher is pushing for Jimmy to get a nighthood. I want to quote again from that article Fairle Kenny wrote

for the UK Telegram. In a revealing 1982 cartoon in the Sun, Savel is depicted as a gangster, complete with Fedora and machine gun. With Margaret Thatcher showing him pictures

of Arthur Skargel as well as labor politicians, Michael Foot, Tony Ben and Dennis Healey with the caption, bump off these lot and I'll see that you get a nighthood. So there's a recognition that Thatcher is using Savel, he is an important and central wing of her PR machine.

And also that he's doing it to get a nighthood. People are know this at the time. It's not, you know, hidden for anyone paying attention. In 1986, Margaret had her private secretary Nigel Wix right to the Honors Committee saying that she was most

disappointed that Mr. Savel's name has not been recommended. She, uh, he added, she, Thatcher, wonders how many more times his name is to be pushed aside, especially in view of all the great work he had done for Stoke Mandible, right?

“He's, why are we delaying this guy getting a nighthood?”

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I apologize. So by this point, 1986 or so, the age crisis is still too big a deal, and Jimmy's sex scandals is people talk about them. They're still too recent for him to get across the finish line of a coming night. Another problem for Saigon comes when he's--there's an interview about his days as a club

promoter. And he tells a lot of lured stories about having to beat people with an inch of their life, or I like the gang of thugs that he would sick on people and have them like savage folks. Right?

And that interview temporarily hurts his shot at getting a night hood.

“But I've also read speculation, and I think this is a pretty good take on it.”

But this isn't just like him being sloppy, and like, oh, I shouldn't have done that because it caused problems for me. This is also part of the tactic that keeps him safe, because by admitting, oh, I did violent stuff in my past. I had guys beating up.

I beat up guys. That is basically copying to something illegal, but it's also something that no one's going to care about.

Because it was like 10 or 15 years ago, and these guys are like bad guys as he always

frames at their hoodlums. They're provoking him, they're causing problems. You know, not, they're not victim victims, right? But it's something illicit that he can admit to that again, it throws people off the scent.

Right? Well, if he's open about this, there's probably nothing else going on, right? And it also, he can be fairly sure that like, if anyone wants to look into the dark side of Jimmy's apple, they can find some stuff, and it's stuff that they can talk to be like, well, you know, Jimmy did this or that, but it's not that bad, right?

It's something that's forgivable, bad, and that's interesting to me. In 19. Yeah. You know what else? Oh, wait, we already did that.

Sorry. I guess we're just going to, we're going to raw dog this next part. This is bad. This is real bad. In 1988, the entire management board of broad, more psychiatric hospital, where Jimmy

volunteered quite regularly, was suspended by the Department of Health under thatra

pointy kin clerk. the board basically shits, the psychiatric hospital is not well-run.

Things were costing too much. It was like in debt. The facilities, there were bad, there were problems with it. So the government is like, well, we need to shut down, get rid of the people running it now, and the board that had been running broad more is replaced by a task force appointed

by the thatra administration, and the task force is run by Jimmy's saddle.

Jimmy had started volunteering at broad more in the 1960s, and in 1988 he got total control

“over what happened at the facility or near total control.”

He's effectively running it. Per the tribune, quote, "This, this decision was rubber stamped by Junior Health Minister Ed Wiena Curry who wrote adaboy and her diaries on hearing saveless plans for reform at the hospital, which included union busting, as savel alleged that inflated over time payments were rife among the unionized workforce.

Curry later conceded that this was likely savel blackmailing staff who could blow the whistle on as abuse." So savels like, now that I'm running things, you know, the real problem at this hospital, these damn unions, it's made it way too expensive. All these guys, we need to fire a bunch of these people because they're faking their

oath. I'm just shocked that savel would be Ed talking in.

Yeah, but we had to get rid of these guys, they're stealing basically from the country

by faking this over time stuff. No, no, they weren't reporting me for raping patients. That had nothing to do with it. It was over time fraud, right?

“So the facture regime gets what it wants.”

They get to cut costs, they get to bust a union, fucking Maggie loves that shit, and she's got savels, do it. He's literally like, "I can't out overstate. This is not a side thing. She didn't happen to be friends with this guy.

Jimmy savel is a significant, meaningful part of thatureism." Like he is a major and important part of her entire regime, like that has to be driven home to people, how key he is in this whole period of time in British political history. And the fact that he's now running this hospital, he's able to fire basically anyone he wants to, who's going to speak up at anything, that just makes him even more fucking

bullet proof to the people he's raping and molesting and abusing in other ways. Now the fact that there were employees at all, these facilities, who saw savels behavior and tried to intervene, this doesn't just happen at broadmore, there are employees everywhere

that he volunteers, who try to say something, but it never goes anywhere.

And it is important though that there, it isn't what it emphasized, there are people trying to intervene, right? And that fact often gets lost in part because it doesn't work, but in part because a lot of powerful people have a vested interest in the fact that folks tried to stop Jimmy being

“lost because by far the best way that you can interpret this, that the public can interpret”

this, that the British public specifically can interpret Jimmy savel and what happened in his crimes is. Oh, this was just a monster who manipulated and hit in plain sight and he tricked everybody. We all fell for it. No one knew anything was going on.

Nobody had any idea. Yeah. People knew. Jimmy was allowed to rape and abuse people, fatcher and everyone in her admin, everyone

that we talked about who was a part of fucking curry, I will say it right now, I'm not prone

to those laws. I think curry and fatcher and everyone else involved in the decision to put him in that position and broadmore. If they didn't know he was outright rape and kids, then he was raping people. Then he was having, they would probably affirm to having sex with people who were under

age. What the fuck he was? They knew what he was doing and they knew they were putting in a position where he could do it more and they did it because it benefited them politically. They didn't know maybe all the specifics, they knew enough.

They knew he wasn't a, they knew he was a minimum, a sketchy creep. Yeah. And they knew what they were doing. Yeah. Thatcher knew what she was doing.

Farrell Kenny writes, quote, read the NHS investigations into Savel and there are numerous examples of everyday people with little power standing up to Savel, or at least doing what they could reasonably do within their small domain to protect those who are in their care. There are no such stories within the fatcher government.

And the an elite who took him at face value time and time again. I cannot exaggerate to degree of difference and power that Jimmy was given over an entire psychiatric hospital. This is going to fucking blow your mind. Broadmore gives him a suite of rooms permanently that he is allowed to occupy and live

him at his private apartment in the women's wing of the hospital. They give him an apartment in the women's wing. And he has their allegations. He would just have victims delivered to his room sometimes, or if he's the one taking them in for intake, he'll just bring them on up to his room and do whatever fucking sex

crime he's going to do, and then he'll put them wherever they need to go. Right? He's getting victims delivered to his apartment at the psychiatric hospital in the women's wing. This is psychotic, also, it's not charity anymore.

It's like he's nobody was wondering why he wants to run this fucking place and be there. He's just a good man. He really likes helping out. These people, you know, he cares about them. No one else cares about these people.

Just Jimmy.

The website investigative psychiatry and analyzing several of these reports notes that

“clinic staff found the fact that he was given an apartment in the facility bizarre and”

inappropriate. But it was, quote, sanctioned from the top down as part of his task force role. Yes, I was saying that's one of that. Who's signature? Who signatures on that on that?

I mean, curries is, right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure that's documented. There's a, there's a, the article has like a footnote there.

I could, I could get more names for you. But this physical autonomy was the ultimate evidence of his symbolic power. He had colonized the hospital space to a point where he was no longer a guest, but a semi permanent resident with more freedom of movement than many senior clinicians. Now, my focus on her colonizing of fucking women's psychiatric ward.

Yeah, it's fucking nuts that they gave him a fucking apartment is crazy.

“I mean, first of all, hospitals have, he, what, what, yeah, yeah, I'm fucking insane.”

But my mother's injury to big for a cut with the fuck. Yeah, it's crazy stuff. Yeah. Hi, Mom. Now, Stoke Manival was not his first major volunteer effort, but it makes him a fixture

within the NHS. And he receives offers to volunteer at and raise money for dozens of hospitals, including leads general, great Orman Street and Wheatfield's hospice. Under an investigations have turned up evidence that savel sexually abused patients at each of these facilities.

Per the UK standard, his youngest victim was an eight-year-old boy who suffered a sexual assault at his hands. And again, we know there are younger victims that was, you know, at one one in time. As he aged, savel seems to have preferred patients who were dying in hospice, the standard accounts one story of an 11 to 12-year-old dying boy at great Orman, who admitted shortly

before passing that he had been touched inappropriately by savel.

That's part of why we'll never know how many victims is he's specifically going after

people who are dying and thus won't be around to complain or report as he gets like older. That's a big thing he does. Also, the site hospital, it's like, oh, so you can immediately call into question the credibility of these victims.

Crazy, he's crazy, you know? That might be one of the worst things you've ever read about in this, it's pretty bad. It's pretty like I said. This is like the only research at Bid's Binge's I've been on a while that actually had me crying.

Yeah, I understand. Yeah. In 1990, the last year of that year's time in office, she finally succeeded in getting Jimmy Savel knighted during that year's Queen's birthday honors. He was knighted for his charitable services.

And from that moment on, Jimmy Savel OBE was now Sir Jimmy Savel. He received personal congratulations from all of his friends in the Royal Family, Prince Andrew, Prince Charles, Princess Diana, Sarah Ferguson, the Duchess of York, sends him a handmade card. Savel, for his part, was over the moon about his knighthood, and he made no great efforts

to disguise why. He told journalist Lynn Barber and an interview conducted just after the ceremony. I had a lively couple of years with the tabloids sniffing about, asking round the corner shops, everything, thinking there must be something the authorities knew that they didn't, whereas in actual fact, I've got to be the most boring geezer in the world because I

ain't got no past. And so if nothing else, it was a ginormous relief when I got the knighthood because it got me off the hook. Boy, getting this knighthood is great, it's got to make it a lot easier for me to commit sex crimes without getting noticed.

Thanks, the queen, off I go, he just says that. Wow, the closer crazy. Yeah. Now, the same year, 1990 that he gets knighted by the queen, because that's not enough, Savel also receives a papal knighthood, the pope knights him too.

Boy, I mean, apropos. The Catholic Church and the British royal family, just, no notes, guys, nail in it.

Like, like, Pope John Paul the second?

Yeah, yeah, JP2 makes them a knight. Now, as an interesting side note, when all of this comes out and it becomes incredibly obvious to the entire world, Jimmy Savel has been a massive pedophile, the entire time, and abused God knows how many people. There's like people who are like, "Hey, should we strip him of his knighthood?"

“And his papal knighthood, maybe like, that probably should happen, right?”

And that can't happen, actually. It's impossible to do that. Because there's no permanent register of knights, right? Once you die, you just drop off the list. You're no longer a knight that's just like how being a knight works.

So by the, when he died, he stopped being a knight. There's no way to like retroactively go back and strip the honors. I actually prefer it that way.

I have no issue with this.

I don't think either the Catholic Church or the British royal family should ever get to forget that they knighted this guy. I think he should be surged Jimmy Savel forever. I was like, "Why?" But that makes sense.

I see your point, but I also turmoil him, it's maybe term limits. Not the first pedophile knight, not the last. Yeah. Honestly, probably more pedophile knights, the non-pedophile knights, if you're going historically.

That's great. Are you a bull? Ha, good stuff. Yeah, and there's some, again, I don't think either he's

“institution should ever get to, or the BBC, you should ever get to be free of the”

shame of having been affiliated with Jimmy Savel. But there are some very funny interviews with this representative of the Catholic Church. The Vatican spokesman at the time was Federico Lombardi, at the time that Savel died. And like I found one interview with him in the AP that includes this line.

He also said Savel would never have received the honor, had allegations about his behavior

been known, and Lombardi stressed the Vatican's firm condemnation of any type of sexual abuse against children. Really? Oh, really? Is that so, Federico?

Vatican's never supported sexual abuse of children. That's good. I was just reading about how 200,000 or so like French kids are known to have been raped by Catholic priests. But good.

Good to know. You guys take a firm line on that stuff. Great. I know, because the Catholic Church and this current Pope have had some pretty good takes on certain things happening politically recently, and you know, that's good.

I'm glad the Catholic Church is especially pushing back on our administrations like Nightmarish, Genocide, Illumigration, Policies, and I don't hold every member of the church as responsible for these, the things that were done, but we shouldn't forget what the Catholic Church is historically and what they did and what they enabled. And this is part of that.

“It's a little part of that given the grand scheme of those grimes, but it's part of it, right?”

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In 1990 and the years right before he was knighted, Savel is known in people who are around the royal family, noted that he acted as a fixer for Charles and Diana's marriage. When they started having marriage issues, he's brought in to be like their relationship coach.

Basically, guys who's never been in a relationship.

Never been in a relationship. Love that. And he's a great idea was that. Yeah, yeah, I think it was Prince Charles, although I think... Prince S. Die was fine with it.

Like they both seem to have liked him. Like genuinely liked and admired him.

“It looks like the only thing they've ever agreed on”

is that Jimmy Savel is a great guy. Fuck it, there's a guy that would seem to me. It's really fucking weird. Perth of Guardian, quote, "Safel is understood due of visited Prince Charles's

official London residence several times in the late 1980s. When he was acting as a kind of marriage counselor between Charles and Princess Diana." And there's a lot of, there's been a lot of like the British equivalent of like a public records request,

both around Fathure and around the royal family and Savel. And we've gotten some stuff. Some of what I've talked about came out through those records requests. A lot of his conversations and his correspondence

with Fathure is still basically like...

Sincere or whatever, it's like, I guess, sensitive or whatever. So we don't know, like there's actually a surprising amount that's been redacted of his relationship with Fathure, which I'm very curious to know. And there's just similar things going on with the royal family.

But what we do know, based on letters and documents that have come out since his death, is that Stavel is basically the volunteer PR specialist for the royal family. He's one of the first people they call when there's a scandal.

Well part of the thing is, the fucking Prince Charles really trusts him. Because as I noted, Jimmy's like a former coal miner from the north. So he's like a down-home country boy, basically.

But in, you know, and was buddies with Lord Manbatten, who was like a father figure. - Right. - Which are all right. - Yeah, yeah, so that's fair. - So he was friends with Mountbatten.

And also, he, Charles sees him as like a representative of the common man, right? He's not gonna actually talk to real poor people, but like, and talk to Jimmy and Jimmy can tell him how commoners think, right?

And how commoners will react to things. So you trust Jimmy, more than you trust your fancy, went to Eaton or whatever, you know, PR representatives who talk the right way.

“No, no, no, Jimmy knows how the common man works, right?”

He can tell us what we should say. Based on interviews with Dicky Arbider, who was media relations liaison for the Prince and Princess of Wales at the time, Savile cut an upsetting figure,

even within the rarefied world of the royal household. Quote, he would walk into the office and do the rounds of the young ladies taking their hands and rubbing his lips all the way up their arms,

if they were wearing short sleeves. If it was summer and their arms were bare, his bottom lip would curl out and he would run it up their arms. This was at St. James Place,

the women were in their mid-delate 20s doing typing and secretarial work. And no, no. - Yeah, gross, you. - Deeply bad, you'll hear about this a lot.

This is an important tactic of his. What he's doing, the whole, these that when he's casually meeting women in the world, these are adult women, but he'll do these like really exaggerated,

like Gomez Adams, you know, style like kissing all the way up their arm gestures, right?

You'll also find people talking about this

in like these analyses that different institutions like broadmore and stoke mandival published, right? About how Savel would do stuff like this when he would meet women, and often like meet women,

generally that he's not actually abusing or anything. And this is an important point. As summarized on the website, investigative psychiatry is right up. Quote, Savel also used bizarre and flamboyantly

inappropriate public behavior towards women, such as extravagant greetings and kissing up their arms to their lips as a calculated method to scope their reactions, engage the level of resistance he might face.

If he does this and you don't turn away or pull away at all and you let him get all the way up to your lips, he knows, okay, if I want to, this is someone who's more vulnerable, right?

That's, that's the interpretation

that people have made of this behavior. And I think it's probably accurate. It makes sense. There's a lot of reports of this. - I would have been out the door.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

“You should have gotten hit in the face every time.”

But he's doing it. Again, this is the weird behavior. Oh, Jimmy's like that with everybody. He's just really like, no, no, no. He's not, this isn't being sexually inappropriate.

He's like that with everyone. That's just how he is, you know? - Also if you're being sexually inappropriate with the ladies that are of age, it's also like another strange form of cover.

- Yep, yep, exactly, exactly. And it works very well for that purpose.

In 1991, Savel sat down for a BBC radio interview

on the show in the psychiatrist chair with Dr. Anthony Claire. Savel made some statements that would subsequently become quite famous. For one, he claimed to have no emotions. "That would make me bad news for a psychiatrist

or a psychologist because there's just nothing to find. What you see is what there is." Now, that's not true on its face. Many of Jimmy's victims have written about the rages that he would drop into if he were denied or hinted in any way.

This is a guy who got violent and could get violent and who got very angry when he was angry. But the fact that he says this, that he claims, "Oh, I don't have emotions. "I don't really feel things."

It's part of the mythic wall that he's building around himself to protect himself. If Jimmy doesn't like kids, there's no reason to explore his relationship with kids. If he has no emotions, there's nothing to figure out

about his inner life. Stop looking, right? That's why he's doing this.

“And the only thing that's really remarkable to me”

is how well this all works. Part of why. And this is something I'm not super well qualified to say, to talk about, but it's a thing I've seen written about, is that British culture had and still has,

for generations, celebrated a specific kind of, what we're often called, quote, uniquely British Ascentrics, right? There's a long proud tradition of weirdos in public life in British history that is up to a point celebrated. If you get famous enough for something,

then the fact that you're like a weirdo, stop being a thing that you get like mocked for, and like something people celebrate, right? It's just kind of this aspect of, it's not, Britain's not the only place where this happens,

but it's known as like a very British thing. And in fact, in fathures, like her announcement of his nighthood, she talks about him as like he's one of the great Britishist centrics. You know, sometimes our wonderful little island,

it produces these splendid weirdos, you know? And we like to celebrate our weirdos in England. That's kind of the idea, right? Now, it's been noted by several of these analyses that I've read and seen some rise

that like this whole persona, this thing is calculated. Like he understands that there's this attitude that like, well, often a lot of like great public figures in British history are these Ascentrics. So if I'm just an Ascentric, then I'm not dangerous, right?

And it discourages people from looking into me, right? It's a boundary testing mechanism.

“That's how some of these reports will frame it, right?”

He's seeing how much quote-unquote calculated Auditi is one of the terms used, an institution will tolerate. And that helps him see can I violate more rules, right? Okay, I did this thing, which is like harmless, but you're not supposed to do it, did they let me?

Okay, that means I can do a little more. That means I can do a little more, right? That's how he's working, this is very methodical, right? And that's what we call these people predators, you know? And there's a difference, there's an important difference.

And I don't want this to come across as minimizing the other thing, but when you're talking about like some like famous musician who statutory, commit statutory rape on like a 13 or 14-year-old girl because like she's around and he doesn't give a fuck. And he's being provided with with girls, right?

You know, he shows up to do it and he's provided girls and he doesn't care how old they are. And that happens at a point in this musician's life. That's like a bad thing, there should be accountability for that. That's not okay, it's a real problem.

If that doesn't ever recur outside, if that person is not continuing to go after people that age,

where you're actively going out of your way

to find victims and to groom victims and to groom institutions to provide you with victims. These are both really bad things, but they're different levels, right?

“I think that's important to see the difference between”

someone who does not care morally about what they're doing as long as they get to like satisfy their urges and someone who's brain works in such a way that they are constantly looking for holes and organizations and institutions and people

that they can use in order to gain leverage so that they can commit harm. - The point where they're doing charities so that they can hurt people, yes, that's a different breed. There's a real different breed, it's an escalation.

So this scoping behavior, which is mentioned in the broad more report, talking about his interactions with women, is a really important thing to understand

because like the fact that he's doing reconnaissance is noteworthy.

And there's a good line in that investigative psychiatry right up that reads quote, he was constantly probing for the point where Jimmy being Jimmy ended and surge him a saddle began. I think that's an important thing to note.

The term grooming is usually deployed or referred to something abusers do to their victims but what I like about that article

“is that it talks about institutional grooming, right?”

The grooming of these different hospitals and organizations that allow him to get access to his victims. Quote, he identified the specific needs of an institution such as fundraising in the NHS or industrial mediation in broad more

and fulfilled them to create a debt of gratitude. This symbolic power that allowed him to operate in a clinical vacuum. So this is a complex, multi-part process. He's putting a lot of thought into this and a lot of effort.

Once he's got an in, I'm sorry. - No, it mirrors the abstin thing in a way too, like whether the charity and also the fact that I don't know if he was but the people think he's a spy or whatever, but that's the level of institutional grooming

he's doing, that's super interesting. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. So once he's got an in at a facility that he wants to be in at, either because his fundraising saves the hospital or whatever

or because he's been appointed to a task for, or however he gets in, several will start dressing. When he's working at these hospitals, like a member of the clinical staff,

he wears a white coat, right? He helps in aspects of patient care, he's helping during intake, and this, he's not just grooming his victims, he's grooming the staff to accept him as legitimate,

and the fact that, and off most of the time, he's not abusing the patient. Most of the time, what he's acting as an orderly, he is just doing orderly work, and that grooms the patients to,

that no one's on guard when Jimmy walks in their room. He's supposed to be there, you know? There is some evidence, not direct, but like you can tell it by inference that during the 90s, Jimmy Savel

continued to participate in parties and events, where teenagers were provided as basically sex toys, for the rich and powerful. Petra Nello Wyatt, a British journalist, who once had an affair with Boris Johnson,

wrote an article for the spectator, which is a conservative magazine, in which she relate some of the things she experienced while socializing with this crowd, in the years after Sergei May's nighthood.

Back in the 1990s, I used to see teenage girls with eyes the color of Vervine at some of the extravagant parties I was invited to, looking back, I have a fair idea of why they were there,

but it never occurred to me to ask their ages

or protest their presence. Was I complicit? And like, yeah, yeah, you were like, definitely. That's what that means. She doesn't alleged that Jimmy was providing the girls

at these parties. In fact, she doesn't interrogate how that's happening at all, but we know he was aware, or he was at many of these events, right?

And we know he was in a position too. His access to psychiatric hospitals and his access to like the Duncroft approved school for girls could have allowed him to provide girls to such events.

We know he took girls out of facilities like Duncroft and took them to like the BBC to see Phil, and we know he's taking girls that he is raping and taking them to secondary and tertiary locations from hospitals and from like the approved school

is it so crazy to think that maybe he used his access

“to provide girls to parties for his rich and famous friends?”

I can't prove that. Is that such a crazy thing to think might have happened? I don't think it's pretty likely that something like that went on. I might even say that at this point,

the burden of proof would be on the attendees of those parties to prove that nothing like that happened. 'Cause of what we know happened.

that several friends of Jimmy's including Gary Glitter

were brought down by child molestation scandals, but Jimmy remained untainted throughout the rest of his life and career. Some of this was surely due to his royal connections. Savile was invited to Prince Charles's 40th birthday

and when Jimmy turned 80 in 2006, he received a box of Cuban cigars and a set of cufflinks from the now, well, now he's king, he wasn't king in 2006, but from Prince Charles with a note saying,

"Nobody will ever know what you have done "for this country. "This is to go some way in thanking you for that." Hmm. - He's stupid or creepy or both.

- I was probably just talking about all the marriage counseling and the PR stuff. Probably not worth looking into. Probably fine. Probably fine.

- Hell.

- Prince Charles probably didn't know anything

about all the rape and stuff. King Charles, definitely innocent, for sure. For sure. It was just Prince Andrew, it was the only bad one and Lord Mountbatten, only bad ones, you know.

We're good. Anyway, cool stuff. Prince S.D.I. unfortunately remained friends with Savile for the remainder of her life, so far as I can tell.

She traveled with him to Stoke Manival in other hospitals for charitable events and she seems to have held him in high regard. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know how much of that was set dressing.

I don't know her inner life. I don't know what she would have been aware of. - Probably.

- I assume Savile would have tried to hide the details

of what he was doing, but again, enough stuff was obvious. We've quoted so much from him being interviewed. She can't have not known something. She has to have been a little aware at the very least

that something wasn't right with this guy. I don't know. I can't say for sure. In the late 90s and early 2000s, Jimmy was no longer a massive TV star in his own right,

but he was now famous for being famous. And he was regularly trotted out in documentaries and TV shows. He's a big guest star in this period of time, and a lot of like BBC shows.

In 1995, the journalist and TV host Andrew Neel has him on for an episode of, "Is this your life?"

“Which I think is like a toast to celebrate,”

different kind of famous people in British life, right? So Neel has Savile on for a friendly interview, which includes some cheeky questions about his romantic history and his past is a wrestler. And even then, when he's being interviewed

about his life on TV in 1995, Jimmy can't avoid throwing in some side remarks hinting at his crimes. So here's the segment from that episode where he's asking about his time as a wrestler.

"You used to be a wrestler, didn't you?" "I see him. I see him. I see him. I see him." "I'm sure I didn't ever go school in this country." "Great. Got a lot of gifts." "Great, well, wild."

I didn't like the look on 'cause you, after he says that, one of the people who's on the show with Neel is like a black woman who's like, "I'm assuming some sort of journalist or presenter."

And she has this like, "Oh, you just said that, huh?" Yeah. I don't know anything else about that lady, but her eyes say a lot, but you can,

“you can just hear in the joke how casually he is about it, right?”

Like, just the audio of it says enough. That the, how casually he jokes about wrestling, children, a girl's school, those are kids. And the, uproariest laughter from the audience, very funny. Ha ha, Jimmy. Yes. It's so funny how you joke about molesting little girls.

We love it here. In the year 2000, one of Britain's best documentarians, Louis Thero, published a documentary on Jimmy. And the flat that Jimmy had originally purchased for his mother, one of the shortcomings of these episodes,

is we're not nearly going into enough detail about how weird Jimmy is about his mom, but it's clearly the only person he ever loves. And when she passes on, like, and she had, by, by in 2000, when Louis Thero shows up at his flat to this documentary, Jimmy's mom had died 27 years earlier.

And he still kept her room exactly the way it had been the day she died. Her clothing was like, like shrink wrapped in plastic, but still folded in her wardrobe. As I noted earlier, Thero does probe some of the rumors around Jimmy. And a, you know, a legally safe way, like starting when he asks him,

like, why did you claim to hate children in Jimmy's like, well, it stops the tabloids from looking into stuff. And after that line, Louis asks,

“"Is that basically so the tabloids don't pursue this whole?”

Is he or isn't he a pedophile line?" And several replied, "Oh, I, how do they know whether or not I am? How does anybody know whether I am?" Nobody knows whether I am or not. "I know I'm not, that's my policy and it's work to dream."

"Click, riddle, bro. Jesus Christ." "Yeah, fun, fun stuff." Now, in a right up on all this, the UK mirror notes, quote, Louis had attempted to report sattle for abuse after the production,

He claimed that he attempted to report him in 2001, after a female came forward and claimed that she, to have been one of sattle's girlfriends when she was 15. So, Louis doesn't do nothing, but I gotta say, like, and I've been a fan of the guy for most of my adult life.

He had a big influence on how I interview people, how I approached stuff as a journalist. I really do have a lot of admiration for him. And particularly, he's very good at not giving, at getting people, not just getting people to talk,

giving them enough rope to hang themselves, but pressing them on things that are hard to press on, that are awkward and uncomfortable. Like, that's a thing Louis has made a career on doing, and he doesn't do nearly enough,

considering what he must have known. And one of the things that frustrates me is, after sattle dies, even knowing all this, even having allegedly reported him in 2001, Louis makes a big show of publicly mourning sattle.

If calling him basically a great Britain,

right after he dies, up until the allegations spill out.

“And I think it's just, my guess would be,”

once he dies, there's, first off, there was massive immediate public mourning. It doesn't come out immediately. Like, he has a huge, he has basically a state funeral. The royal marines are there, escorting his fucking gold casket. So there's a big, the whole country is mourning him.

I think number one, Louis probably didn't want to be the only person being like, I think this guy was a pedophile. He's a BBC personality, he's probably professional pressure. He just doesn't, and I, I shouldn't be focusing on Louis more than all of these other editors that we've talked about, because he did more than nothing,

but it just wasn't enough. And that's all I'll say. I don't think this is like damning of him into perpetuity. From my understanding, Louis regrets not doing more. He's talked pretty openly about like the fact that he wishes he had done a better job.

And that's life.

“So I'll, I'll go on from there, but I think it's worth noting.”

In 2007, one of the Duncroft girl, Saval Abused, went to police in Surrey and reported him.

The police ultimately concluded there was not enough evidence to pursue a case.

Later investigation has made it clear that the evidence was mishandled, and the department was pushed to avoid following up. To the end of his life, Saval maintained friendships with influential members of the Yorkshire Police, hosting what he called his Friday morning club, in which he'd have coffee with various senior inspectors and the like.

It's like him having coffee with a bunch of cops every Friday. These are really at the end of his life, once all of his pedophile friends go to prison, his primary social group is cops, who I'm guessing might also have been pedophiles. Or at least covering up for him. Certainly covering up for him. We know they did that.

Was Jimmy, maybe, using his access to teenage girls to provide police officers with access to teenage girls, the thing he kind of insinuated doing, or previously, I don't know. Someone should look into that, maybe. Jimmy's influence was such that in 2008, the Yorkshire police picked him to voice several West Yorkshire talking street signs, giving advice to locals on of all things crime prevention.

Great. 2008, cool. 2000 and 8, but in the oughts, stories kept spreading online about Jimmy. A victim had come forward in 2003, and a complaint in 2008 was reported on by the sun. So it's starting this wall he's got between him and the media is starting to falter

and flick around even by that point in time. In 2009, Jimmy was interviewed by police in Surrey.

“He's said of the complaint, "That's why I have up in Yorkshire where I live and lead."”

It's a collection of senior police persons who come to see me socially. I give them all my weirdo letters and they take them back to the station and say, "Oh, if you've seen what Jimmy's got today, when the police asked whether Savile

gives them to the police," and so basically he says this, and he's being interviewed,

and they're like, "Well, do you give these letters to the police to investigate? Savile's then response?" No, no, not investigate them, no, not to do anything with them, but if anything happens to me. So he's basically insinuating, "Oh, I just give these to the police in case some crazy fan murders me," right? Let's actually happening here. He's whenever he has a problem, whenever he thinks he's going to get reported on,

he has his cut friends he goes to, and they were pretty good at making it go away. Jimmy Savile was able to outrun justice his entire life, but he did not outrun death. He dies on October 29, 2011. Once he was gone, his power to stop such investigations came to a spottering end, and less than a year he went from publicly mourned and buried in a gold coffin, escorted by the marines, to having his headstone ground down to rubble.

They removed the big headstone he's got, which says his epitaph was, it was nice while it lasted. And like they have to, in order to stop people like defacing the cemetery basically, they have to grind it into fucking crumbs. And as you just let people to face it, but you know, numerous police and institutional investigations are launched. And by December 2012, just a year after

In terms of total victims known. Well, I'm going to quote from a 2014 article in The Guardian.

“The BBC will be plunged into a major crisis with the publication of a damning review,”

expected next month that will reveal its staff turned a blind eye to the rape and sexual assault of up to 1,000 girls and boys by Jimmy Savel in the corporation's changing rooms and studios. Damned Janet Smith, a former Court of Appeal Judge who previously led the inquiry into the murders by Dr. Harold Shipman, will say into her in her report that the true number of victims of

Savel's sexual proclivities may never be known, but that his behavior had been recognized by BBC

executives who took no action. I wonder really highlight something. We know he rapes and molests at least a thousand boys and girls in BBC changing rooms and studios. I see this Mr. Porter is the thousand victims. That's just a thousand victims in BBC property. We're not even talking about the home thousands. Thousands. Also, the regional victims are old as ship by now and most of them are dead

“probably too. Yes. And he's specifically going after people who are probably statistically going to”

die earlier because they're folks who run into trouble with the law. They're folks who have mental health or physical health problems. You know the children that he assaulted when they were in the hospital

for terminal illnesses. That's one of the worst things I've ever heard.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yep. What did he die from? Oh, being an old piece of shit. I forget. He dies in his home peacefully. That's my own piece. I was hoping it hurt. I don't have that for you. I do have one little bit of satisfaction shot and for it or whatever from earlier in his life. And I mentioned there's a wrestling story that I didn't tell earlier that I wanted to save for until now, right? Because

this is pretty bleak and I don't have a good Jimmy got his come up in. But there is one time where he got a little bit of punishment for being a giant monster. So we're going to talk about that now. So during his wrestling days, there's this wrestler named exotic Adrian Street who

“he's like, he's like, he's a heel, right? He's somebody fans love to hate. I think he's like a guy”

who dressed like very flimp-boyantly, you know, in order to, uh, and that's part of like his, uh, this fucking evil, like weirdo, right? And so he's matched with savel at some point. And he would let, and I, and I found all this in an article for Wales Online. So it was Wales Online that talked to Adrian Street about this. Uh, quote, "The promoters were trying to put savel across as a bit of a tough guy in those days. And they were trying to get other proper wrestlers to throw their

matches with him. It was all part of some big stupid gimmicks at Street. Um, and when I found out I was up against him next, I wasn't very happy, not least because I just beat in world lightweight champion George Kid at notting him. I ranked the night before. In fact, I'd put him in the hospital. So when it was, it's suggested like, hey, why don't, you know, you're going to fight this DJ, well, let's have it in a draw. That'll be good for everybody. And Street's like,

fuck that shit. quote, "His cronies were telling me, don't underestimate Jim. He's trained with the royal marines. But I was having none of it. I kicked his legs from underneath him. So he hit the deck. Then I picked him up by his hair, held him upside down and dropped him on a skull. Then when I looked down at my hands, I realized they were covered in hair. Savals. I'd torn huge clumps out of his scalp. I absolutely crucified the bloke. And when I spoke to my wife afterward,

she said, I looked like a hungry fox going after a chicken. Savel never returned to the wrestling

ring after that. And I never clapped eyes on him again. Like, that's the story. Um, and he did tell Wales online. Had I known, then the full extent of what I know about him now, I'd have given him an even bigger beating where that physically possible. So at least we've got that. Okay, that was, that was a little treat we needed. I do definitely. You guys deserve something. Thanks for the sprinkle. Thank you, Adrian Street for beating the shit out of Jimmy Savel. But I saw someone

had so fucked up that this man lives to what 2011 did you say or 2012? Yeah, yeah, 2011. He dies late, 2011. Yeah, and he that that all of the survivors of this man, which there were thousands, thousands of victims, did not get to have any sort of justice while he was alive. No, they did not get to a to confront him. Nobody believed them. The libel laws fucked them over. Yeah. BBC is despicable. Royal family is the royal family. Yeah. It's just unfathomably gross that this man was one of the

was, you know, knighted by both the royal family and the Catholic church and was given, I don't know,

“there's certain thoughts that things that are just like, you know, in pregnating minors. And the fact”

that he was given, oh, no, apartment at that girl's fucking broad more, no, it's like a girl's word. Yeah, so I can't take care of your hospital on end. You were saying court. Sorry, so many people just like, let this happen and let him be this person. Tons of them. Yeah, it's disgusting. And Robert kind of brilliant storytelling, an episode one when you give us the graphic horrible scene because everything we've been through after I just keep remembering because it's easy to kind of gloss it for the scope of

it. Yeah. And when you think about that times 5,000, 10,000. How many? Yeah. We have no idea fully shit. Yeah. Oh, at least at least we know who to really blame for the Princess Diana, Prince Charles de Voris, the guy giving him a bite. He's, he's, he's who's to blame. Sure. It would be if somebody else, we could, those, those, those kids could a state and love. It wasn't, you know,

“for all of Charles is hateful and fidelity. It was surely the only thing wrong with their relationship.”

Yeah. Anyways, Corey, you want to plug your book for us? Yeah. I need a shower, but check out my book. It's called Girl Gone Wild. It is a, it's a coming of age story about trying to make it in Hollywood, and it is a feminist story that you definitely need after this. Jesus Christ. Yeah. That's a great idea. Why don't you all enjoy that? And I will cook up some horrible for you, but honestly, probably a lot less horrible than this next week. Bye. Bye.

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