Part Three: Jimmy Savile: Britain's Unending Nightmare

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So, last episode, we kind of ended by talking about one of the girls that Jimmy Impregnated. She was this one with 16. There's a number. I came across at least two stories.

I mean, at least two direct stories and insinuations of a lot more. I don't think we'll ever have an idea of how many girls he impregnated. I'm going to guess often, generally, they had stories like the lady we talked about, where they get an illegal abortion, they have health consequences afterwards.

“I think probably how a lot of these went.”

I guess Jimmy paid for a good number of those over the years. But the same year that happened, which is 1964. The London Metropolitan Police received a report about a flat in London that was being used to pimp out children, little girls, who had not little girls, then they were mostly like in their teens.

But girls who were, in many cases, under age, who had escaped from a nearby facility for, I wrote a facility for female juvenile offenders. That's not entirely accurate, it was called the Duncroft Approved School. And we'll talk about it more later. But some of these girls got in legal trouble committing some sort of crimes.

We'll underage. Some of them are just have behavioral problems. This place seems to be a mix of like a juvenile reform school and a place kind of one of those like troubled teen camps that parents and their kids to, if they're not well-being enough, right?

And they're winding up at this flat where they're being pimped out as child prostitutes. And the London Met bust this place in 1964, and in their notes at the time, there's like detectives right that Jimmy Savel was a repeat visitor to the home,

“while it was operational as pedophile brothel, right?”

They don't go after him or anything. They're just like, "Oh, Jimmy Savel's going to this, this brothel for children." It's famous teenage brothel. Wow. Yeah, this brothel for teenage girls who have gotten in trouble with the law.

Interesting. Not worth looking into further. So that does, though, beg the question, how did he get away with this? And Davies gives us a good idea of how, in his book, in play and sight, when he describes an interview where Jimmy discussed one time that he nearly got arrested

because, and Jimmy's telling this to a reporter as, like, for laughs, basically. And he talks about this story.

Well, there's always these, a lot of underage girls hanging out around my office.

And I got in trouble at some point. Like, someone called the police about it because they thought it was suspicious. And so I had to sit down for an interview with the police chief. And I told him, "You know that your 16-year-old daughter comes in here. Don't you? Would you rather she was safe with me or being preyed on by all those scumbags and slags?"

What?

“He tells the journalist this, and I think, like, the 70s and the 80s, he's just, like,”

"Yeah, you know, people get angry at me for all the underage girls I hang out around, but some of them are the children of cops, you know?" I'm just here to protect him. I'm here to keep him safe, thinking to trouble if they weren't around Jimmy Savald. Oh, my gosh.

Good times. So Roger, not good times. Roger Holt was a record industry ad man in, like, the 60s and 70s.

He's a guy like, basically helping to...

There's a lot of payola going on in this period of time in the record industry. So his job is basically to bribe big DJs into playing specific records, or specific songs, right? And there's a number of ways that they would do this. Sometimes you're just, you know, given him gifts or hooking him up with, you know,

concert tickets, they can give out on the air. Sometimes it's more direct. We're bribing people. As we've talked about, some of these DJs are getting bribed in girls, right? Um, not that I'm saying Holt did that.

I don't know what Holt did specifically. But he's a record industry ad man during this period of time. And he visited Savald's radio one office regularly throughout the 60s. He would later tell Davies that the DJ's love for young girls was an open secret, quote, "I heard through his office just in conversation.

Jimmy's added again.

“That's how people would talk about him molesting teenagers.”

Uh, this did not strike anyone. It struck people as a bit odd. They're talking about it, obviously, right? I don't think it was odd for DJs to, I mean, what certainly wasn't uncommon for DJs to be in like,

close quarters with 16 and 17 year old girls, which again was legal at the time. Yeah. But it's notable that Jimmy is exclusively going for girls that age and younger. As opposed to that just being,

which I'm not saying it's okay when it was the thing that happens sometimes for guys. But people that time are like, "Wow, Jimmy really prefers them really young, often illegally so." Yes, did just slip through the cracks. Right, right.

Um, so yeah, what's important is you understand that Jimmy's love of young girls was seen as note where the in talked about, but was far from an aberration within his professional circles. And certainly wasn't seen as like a reason to discipline him or look into it any further. What made Jimmy weird and the thing people did note about him at the time

is that he doesn't, he's not into the social side of the music business. Most people who are like DJs or record engineers are like hanging out with other people in the business, right? They like like the culture around it and they're interested in like the creative aspect of it too. Like they like making music and they like they're interested in how music gets made. Jimmy's not interested in any of that.

And he's not interested in like socializing with his colleagues. In fact, he has almost no relationship with other DJs, which is seen as kind of weird. As Mr. Holt told an interviewer, he was just a very strange person. You couldn't really have a conversation with him. I used to see him at top of the pops.

And I didn't talk to him unless I had to go to his dressing room. When I had to go to his dressing room the last time I was there. There weren't in a young girls in there, but there were a lot of his mates that I thought were as weird as he was. There was definitely a clique in that dressing room.

Now he's just saying the last time he visited it, it wasn't a bunch of girls. It was his friends. He's weird friends. What kind of clique do you think Jimmy savals hanging out with? If it's not other DJs, right?

I mean, the word is click first of all.

Second of all. Okay, you can say it's a clique, but thank you. So my interpretation of the evidence I have is that Jimmy's issue,

One is, they're really reckless.

Like they're not careful at all about pay.

“They're not like, you know, remember that speech he gave about being clever versus being tricky.”

I think he would say they were clever and he's tricky. And he didn't want to hang out with the clever guys because he knew the clever guys were going to get busted being clever. Whereas he doesn't want to get busted, so he's going to stay tricky. Now the other side of that, what I think is also accurate and probably more with mentioning is that most of those DJs are having sex with teenagers kind of, you know,

it's not the whole point. It's like a bit, it gets a side part of what they're doing and their lives.

They're not sexual assaulting children.

Yeah. Well, they are sometimes. But it's not their primary motivating fact. Jimmy's primary motivating factor is being able to sexually assault children. So the fuck is in his clique?

Great question. We know that one of his close friends as early as 1966 was a member of the British Royal family and in fact the person who introduces Jimmy to the British Royal family Lord Lewis Mount Baton. - Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

about what they might have been doing together, because these are the royals, you know, we won't have perfect information about what was going on behind the scenes. But Mountbaton introduces him to people like Prince Andrew, who's been in the news lately. And of course, Prince Charles, I mean, successful that later.

“But let's talk about Lord Mountbaton for a moment, right?”

So he dies in 1979, again, he and Jimmy meet in 1990. So the guy is, do you know, how he dies and shit? Like, oh, yeah. Yes, it gets blown up by the IRA on a boat in 1979, because Lord Mountbaton was driven by the West FBI. There were children that died also on that boat, rather. That part may be not nailed at birth. But you did note that there were children on the

boat, Sophie. Lord Mountbaton was rumored to be a pedophile on a massive scale. Yeah. Yeah, which is not ideal. So yeah, you were saying something court. I mean, this is, so this is Phillips dad. No, father figure. No, not father figure. Not direct, but not direct. But he, he does take the Mountbaton name. Fill up. Yes, he does, right? Yeah, I'm not an expert on the royals. But it's Mountbaton

who is his introduces Jimmy to the family and Mountbaton is rumored by the FBI before his death to be a pedophile and a like a major pedophile. The website Irish Central quotes from an interview with Anthony Daily, who worked as a rent boy for London's upper crust in these 70s. That means he was a young male prostitute for like rich guys in London in the 70s. And he recalled, quote, Mountbaton had something

of a fetish for uniforms. Handsome young men in military uniforms with high boots and beautiful boys in school uniforms. Great stuff. Now, I don't know that Mountbaton and Jimmy Savel hit it off because they love molesting boys together. I don't have evidence of that. But we know Savel loved to molest boys as well as girls. And very getting down to very young boys. These stories did not come out as early as the reports of Savel abusing and having sex

with teenage girls, right? But they do come out later in life. And we have quite a bit of evidence of this. And one of these accounts, which comes from the book in plain sight, is particularly horrifying because it comes from Guy Marston, who was Jimmy Savel's nephew. He was one of Savel's older sister sons. And he runs away as a teenage boy after repeated trouble with the law. He's just one of these kids who gets in trouble. And he and like three of his

friends hitchhiked to London. I'm guessing they lived around leads or something just based on

where the family comes from. And they spent their first days bumming around Houston station,

which they didn't know at that point in time was a common pickup point for men seeking other men or sometimes boys. After several hours waiting around, one man offered to put Marston in his friends up at a flat nearby. They came over and these guys are, you know, chilling at this

“flat. You have to assume paying with their bodies, you know, for privilege somewhat. But that's”

what's going on. And after a couple of days of this, Jimmy Savel shows up. Now Guy is terrified at first, because he assumes his uncle has been sent there to bring him home and probably knock him around a bit, right? Like he thinks he's in trouble. And instead, Jimmy's like surprised to see them. And it's basically like, "Hey, why don't you guys come with me?" And I'm going to quote now from in plain sight. Marston claimed that uncle Jimmy moved the runaways into a house over the

only men and children. Marston maintained that he realized immediately what sort of parties they were.

“One of the houses he described as being particularly memorable. The big feature of it were,”

when you went in, the swimming pool he explained. It were a room with a big swimming pool and it were so inviting. Everybody used it and we're diving into it. It had lights in it. It was lit up. It was unbelievable. All you wanted to do was stay there forever. Marston said he believes the house belonged to a famous pop in Prasario at the time. Don't know who that is. Might have a couple theories. What this is is some of the better evidence that I found so far to suggest that Jimmy Savel was

not just a guy who abused a lot of kids at scale, but was part of Anne or several organized networks of child abuse and exploitation. He sex trafficking children. Yeah. He's part of a club of guys who were doing that. Because these kids sexually assaulting and sex trafficking children in a cohort organized way. It's what you're saying. Yes. That is what this account suggests. There's some other things that suggest this too.

This is not a thing where we have perfect. This is not an export. For example, the extent that the abstine networks have been in part because this stuff doesn't really start coming until so much later. What Marston alleges is that these kids, some of these kids, are being molested by the rich and famous men who attend the parties. Not actually most of them necessarily, which is an interesting point. And I'm going to explain that in a bit. But Marston

claims that, quote, from time to time, they, the boys, were led into rooms with adult males. Noises could be heard coming from inside. None of these kids were stressed. It was as though they were really, really enjoying what they were doing. That's the sad part, really. And that's not as strange as it sounds. These are all very poor kids. Many of them have been kicked out of their homes for being queer. These kids are living on the street. They are

eating, basically, by prostituting themselves and have probably been abused and raped and

molested quite a few times. And this is still more of that. But the differences, now these boys are getting paid. They're spending all of their time. They're living when they're not participating in these parties at these various like mansions and palaces. So they're getting to live. These kids who have been on the street are getting to live that 1% of their lifestyle

“at the price of being repeatedly raped. That's what's happening here. And it says a lot”

about the desperation of their lives that a lot of these kids at the time are like, okay, this is a worthwhile trade-in for me. Right? Yeah. Now, after some time at any one location, they would be put in a car and take into a new location. Some parties would go on for days and would involve multiple different venues. Now, per Marston's account, a lot of if not most of the boys aren't being molested and that's for a reason. The kids would tend these

parties, range and ages up to their late teens. So anywhere from 6 to 10 years old, and Marston says most of the kids who were taken into rooms to be abused by adults were 6 to 10 years old. Right? The older teens aren't being as often molested according to Marston's account. And he

says he was never abused himself. Maybe he's lying about that, but I, he provides a pretty decent

explanation as to why that would be. As he posited, quote, someone must have had an idea that we would be a good intermediary for these kids. It might have stressed them if they were only adult men. So you've got the older teens there so the younger boys don't think this is weird and don't get as scared. And so they can kind of be like, just go do it. It'll be fine. You know, the older 10 boys are getting something out of this. That's kind of what's happening here. Wait, so that was my job

on the girls gone wild too, or was just to be the girls. So the other girls felt comfortable on the bus, sadly. Yeah. Yeah. So, so what are the ages of these boys, they're just anywhere

“from what to what? The kids being molested, he says, are generally 6 to 10. Marston, I think, was”

more like 15 or 16. And the older teen boys are anywhere from like, you know, 11 or 12 to like, you know, 16, 17 years old, probably would be 17 would be probably the oldest. So all of these boys are being sexually abused even if they aren't aware that they're being sexually abused, because they're being treated advantage of by adults. They're all being abused. They're not all being physically sexually abused, according to Marston. Like, so the older boys are there. Like, there's, like, it's

abusive to put a 16 year old in a situation where they're like encouraging an eight year old to go get molested in order to have a roof over their head. That's a fundamentally abusive thing, but they're not necessarily being physically molested, because their purpose is to be there to normalize the situation for the kids who are the real targets. Right? That's what Marston describes.

doubt this account. I'm sorry. So again, his account is not that Savile is like the organizer or the

“main guy behind it. He's just a member of this network of very elite pedophiles, right? These guys”

are very wealthy. They have massive properties. They're probably often doing this, like, miles away from civilization. A lot of this is happening on these big English estates where you're kind of a law in the yourself. You know, you're going to go run to the cops out there. You're in the middle of pasture land to the ship, right? There's, like, forests and stuff. Some of these properties have thousands of acres to them. So, and we see in this and the way this is set up, an echo of how

Savile abused the young, like, the teenage girls who were, like, fans of pop music who came to him, most of the girls who showed up outside of his office or went to shows and hung out with him before and after shows are not being molested by him. He doesn't quote unquote, pick most of them. And that fact helps to hide what's going on and make it seem believable that this is normal and acceptable because most of the girls you talk to be like, yeah, Jim, he's a little weird,

but it's fine, because they're not all the target, right? Does that all make sense in terms of, like, how he's structuring this abuse? On for a very sophisticated, kind of feeling, yeah.

“Yeah. But to get away with it as long as he was you have to be good at it. You know, he's also”

lucky. He benefits from it for a lot of reasons, but like he, there's, he's set this up for this

way for a reason because it works. Yeah. So, Martin says he never saw his uncle abuse any boy's

at these parties. I don't know, maybe he didn't, maybe he was primarily at the parties to get access or to get favors for other things. Maybe he's just not into it in that venue. We know he abused young boys. I think the youngest I've heard of was five. So, we know he abused young boys. But he may not have done it at these particular parties for some reason. Maybe this is just something he saw as useful to like facilitate the move of his career, right? So, again, we know

he bonds with Lord Mount Baton and 66. We know in 66 he's doing stuff like this. We know Lord Mount Baton's probably doing stuff like this. My guess is that this is how they become friends, right? And we do know there's also versions of these parties that are being held with teenage girls and a different set of rich and famous creeps, right? Well, there's no boys, but there's rich and famous men and then there's like 14 to 17 year old girls, right? We also know that

version and probably younger. We know that version, though there's parties like that going on, too. I see. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, none of this weirdness. None of the fact that this going on is enough to get the BBC to shy away from Jimmy. You know, there's rumors around him. People talk about him liking him young. He makes some comments about that. That fuck is wrong with the BBC. Doesn't give a shit. Oh, they don't give a fuck about any of this. He is, in fact, they're going to be a major

engine of abuse for Jimmy Savel. The BBC doesn't, isn't just, he's not just a BBC employee who abuses people, he utilizes the resources of the BBC to aid him in abusing people. That's a major part of this story. At the start of the 1970s, they give him a radio one show, Savel's Travels, which also turns into a BBC TV show. I think it's called Savel's Yorkshire Travels. There, I think there's a couple. I don't understand, the BBC's weird. A lot of these shows aren't really

archived and full anymore. So I, but he does both. It's a radio show that comes like a horror. Watch this really odd guy go to places. He's, he's lives in a caravan, which is like an RV

or trailer, basically. And he's traveling around the country, talking to people. You know, it's like

“his Anthony Bourdain type deal. Right? That's, that's what people are getting out of it. I don't like”

I don't like that person. It's not great. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, but like that's the kind of the appeal is he's like this regular guy, you showing you the regular guy's view of these different places in Yorkshire or wherever. So that starts in like the, at the beginning of the 70s. Now by the start of that decade, Savel had already established a strong reputation as a charitable fundraiser. As we've said, any time he's doing events, he's often having a salary donated to charity.

He's, you know, he starts raising money. There's this thing people are doing, sometimes we're like, you'll push someone in like a wheelchair for a distance and, you know, people will like, pave, it's like, it's like these different kind of like, you know, run for cancer type type charities. You know, he's doing some stuff like that. In 1971, he participates in his most ambitious charity drive yet. An 876 mile walk. And he's, he does this with his Savel's travels,

motor pool, traveling behind him. So he's like sleeping in the caravan at night and he's walking all day and people are like joining him at varying points on the march. This is like a 31 day event.

sometimes like people who are in wheelchair show up and he'll push them for a while,

“hundreds of folks march alongside them. Jimmy wrote in his column the next week,”

quote, "I've wheeled cripples along and wheeled chairs who didn't want to be left out. I've pushed prams with assorted babies in. I've slowed down to a shuffle with a 90-year-old lady, gripping my arm and sped up, fleet-footed downhill with an entire youth club,

tailing behind like Haley's comet." And this actually ends with one of his first direct things

with the fucking British royal marines, which we're not going to talk about enough in these episodes, but the royal marines like show up to march with him at the end of his march. He does a lot of events with them. He becomes an honorary member of the royal. He loves the fucking royal marines. So it's a proud part of the history of the royal marines. He's Jimmy's devil, not to be a member. Great stuff. Well, speaks well of the organization.

“Yeah, yeah. He does a lot along. He does a lot of marathons. He does a lot of marches for charity.”

He does a lot of wheelchair pushes all of these to raise money for good causes.

Savile continued to make outrageous demands when he would agree to participate in these events,

as he had earlier in his career. During a fundraiser where he pushed a patient in a wheelchair from Rochester to Bromley, Savile admitted to press that he'd given this demand to the event organizer. Find me a blonde teenage bird who lives in a house with a drive so I can park outside so she can wake me up in the morning with tea at 8 o'clock. The organizer agreed. This is just in the press. God. Oh, Jimmy. He loves those blonde teenage birds.

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We're back. So after committing, or committing, completing his nearly 900 mile March, Saigon was awarded the Order of the British Empire, or OBE, which is just a step under nighthood. Now, this entitled him to sign his name, Jimmy Savel, OBE, which he does on his subsequent autobiography that comes out not long after this. And interviews at the time he is vocally thrilled by the recognition, which elevated him to a level of social respect ability,

other DJs simply lacked. Here's a photo of him. After his investiture at Buckingham Palace. There's Jimmy Savel, OBE. He's got like a normal suit on for once in his fucking life, and he's got this big metal they give you when you get the OBE. He's smoking one of his cigars. He's got a fucking pinky ring on, and a top hat in his, his fucking peroxide white hair. Just hair. Like giving them a man's ring. No business around teenagers.

Make him make him the pinky ring. Look bad in shit. Like it's fucked up. Oh, yeah, he is. It's a dark part of pinky ring history. Pinky ring history and Royal Marine Corps history. Both, both not low points of both. Gravel. So, Savel's Yorkshire Travels is like TV show version of this radio thing. It's the air in 1972. Just before that happened, per the book in plain sight. The body of 15-year-old

Claremic Alpen was discovered by her mother, surrounded by empty pill bottles and a red diary. In her diary, she had obviously committed suicide. And in her diary, she repeatedly mentioned the sex that she had had with top BBC disc jockeys that she had met while dancing for top of

“the pops. And again, she's 15. This is underage. This is statutory rape. That's what she's”

writing about. Multiple disc jockeys at top of the pops. At the BBC's hit show top of the pops. Right, this girl. Savel is believed to be one of them. Like we know he was one of them, right? But he mostly stays out of the fallout around this story. Because by this point, he's expanded beyond just being a DJ. So, the actual, like, scandal around Claremic Alpen's suicide and around all of this. And it's not just her. There's a couple of other girls that they

find out were being trafficked basically to BBC disc jockeys as part of like a paleless scam. And that's the primary thing that blows up into a scandal. Is that a lot of these like DJs who would like it get brought in from the pirate world are accepting fucking sex with teenage girls as a form of payola for playing songs. Right. That's primarily the big scandal that happens here. And that's obviously not what people should have been most angry about. It's not the only

thing that they're angry about. Some of these guys get in trouble. But not Jimmy. Right. He's never

a focus of these investigations. Because by the time this all blows up, he's kind of moved on. Right. Like he's he's still doing top of the pops from time to time. He's still a DJ. But he's like increasingly starting to be like a TV and radio star for other reasons. And so he's just not at the center of this stuff. But a good friend of his was. He was like the one of the main top of the pops guys wasn't. Yeah. Yeah. But he's not socially a part of that circle. So most of the accounts

they're getting and most of what blows up is involving other guys. And sample, we just kind of know he was involved. But he's not like at the center of this. And he may not have actually taken payola. He may have just been molesting teenage girls like we know he was doing a lot. He may have actually taken. We don't know. Like, but he doesn't get in trouble for this. Whereas other guys do. And one of these other guys is a member of his click. Harry Goodwin, who was a photographer for

photos of, I mean, and these are I think most of these are CSAM. Right. I guess it depends on the

“age you can send. But he's taking, he's making child pornography, with pictures of underaged girls.”

I assume something not all underaged. But most of them probably are. And he's also making movies. You know, quote unquote movies of the the the the statutory rape occurring. There he is. And he's playing these. He's selling these movies to pop stars. Not only like major figures in the industry. Dispickably gross and good friend. If you guess. Yeah, he must be by now. That's great. Like yeah. And he gets in some trouble for this.

So, you know, again, close friend of Jimmy's here, making child pornography or child sex abuse content of varying sorts. So a few people's careers end over this, but again, not Jimmy's

because he's moved on. Savils travels keeps him on the road and makes his fame much broader than

just pop music at a time when he desperately needed that. Of course, this doesn't stop him from committing sex crimes. There were almost immediately complaints along his root of travel that Savils now well into his 30s was molesting kids. Radio one controller Douglas Muggridge asked the station press officer Rodney Collins to make sure to check and see if any local newspapers in areas Savils had gone through planned to print any rumors about his behavior.

As Mr. Collins later told the BBC, there were allegations that there were girls underage girls involved, maybe, in the caravan. However, the newspapers that Mr. Collins talked to insisted they were unwilling to print allegations against Savils. Whether they were true or not, because of all of his charity work and because he was, quote, perceived as a very popular man. So, this guy is for the BBC looking into, like, hey, are you going to print any rumors

to see if we need to, like, bribe these guys or threaten them to stop it? Yeah. And the papers are like, we weren't going to publish it even if it is true that he's molesting girls. You know? Because of all of his charity work. He's a good guy. He's doing so much good stuff.

“You know? Yeah, is it so bad that he's molested children? While he does this charity work, right?”

Yes, it is. Someone's got to raise money for charity, you know? Why not let it be a pedophile? A lot of essence. Yeah. So again, he's, like, part of what he's doing on camera for these shows, he's like visiting mom and pop restaurants and cafes and clubs. He's talking to regular people in a way that no besuded, highly educated, traditional reporter could have done. And there's a number of reasons why Jimmy is so popular. One is that, again,

there had been, like, a BBC voice. There had been, like, a voice that radio and answers, when they start doing television, TV and answers are supposed to sort of have to, to, to kind of be proper and to, like, do the job the right way. And this is a very, like, this is a system that is primarily set up for people with specific educations, from specific institutions. And they talk in specific ways. And Jimmy's a former coal miner from the North. Voices the accent

of the northern part of the country is seen as more authentic in the UK. Kind of in the same way as, like, a southern twang as seen as both evidence that you might be a redneck and that you're an honest salt of the earth, real American. Like, he's got an accent that works for him in that way. That makes him seem, like, a trustworthy working class dude. And people are just kind of starve for that in great Britain at this time. There's not a lot of it in their popular media.

And this is part of why he's so rabidly popular is a lot of folks in the poor northern parts of the country see themselves represented in Jimmy. And the fact that he kind of dresses like a weirdo is, like, yeah, but he's our weirdo, you know? Like, why should I have to wear a monkey suit, like, all these fancy guys? Right? That's kind of, and it helps to, it helps to camouflage him, you know? The popularity is part of the camouflage. He's got like, five different covers. He's, he's, he's, he's,

he's, he's, he's, he's good at it, unfortunately. Most of the initial run of savels travels took place in Yorkshire. And a BBC article in May of 2013, less than a year after savels crimes became, where made public, a West Yorkshire police noted that they had recorded evidence of at least 79 offenses by savel against 71 separate people, quote, per the BBC, 35 attacks by the broadcaster in hospitals involved complaints ranging from aged five to 45. The West Yorkshire police

figure shows savel target 18 victims at private addresses and leads a Bradford. Now again,

a year after he dies, and these stories come out, within the first year, West Yorkshire police

“have recorded 79 offenses against 71 people. That's not how many victims he had. That's what”

they record decades after the fact, when it's finally okay to talk about, he's abusing hundreds of people in West Yorkshire alone, right? We'll talk about, we have no idea how his total number of victims, but we'll talk about what we know about it. I just need you to understand, this is like

Yes, sorry. That's like, now five is so young. You said the range was five to 45. Five to 45 in that area a year after the investigation starts. Yes. It's nauseating. I didn't even think you went that old, but the young at the vis-rage is truly certain like the 80s. Yeah. Yeah, the young end is real bleak. In 1972, Jimmy had a radio documentary made about him. The world of Jimmy Savel, OBE, it attempted to investigate

who Jimmy was as a person, something that had already proven nearly impossible for in every

“worse to nail down. Jimmy himself claimed to have nothing to hide from people. "They asked me, are you queer?”

I say no, but if I felt that way, I would have been. They asked me, why don't you get married? I

say, well, I've never felt the need. I've got nothing to hide from people. And when you come to

think about it, I lead a dead, simple, sort of life, which is okay, and definitely enough for me." Simple. Now, the fact that Jimmy has been awarded the Order of the British Empire. As I noted earlier, it makes it possible for him to enter these higher echelons of British society, but it doesn't guarantee that he'll make friends and find influence there. To do that, he's going to need to put

in work. And initially, it seems, Jimmy tries to hedge his bets by getting in good with politicians on both sides of the aisle. In an article for the Tribune, Farrell Kenny writes, "During the

“Politically Feverile's 1970s, Savile appears to have hedged his bets," filming a 1974”

party political broadcast with liberal leader Jeremy Thorpe, liberal politician Cyril Smith,

who would be unmasked as a pedophile in the aftermath of Savile's death, and joined a light entertainment run on Savile's clunk-clink program. So, he does talk to him in the '70s, he's hanging out and kind of boosting liberal politicians, and he will later boost conservative politicians, but one of the liberal politicians he boosted Cyril Smith, and has on his show a bunch of times, is unmasked as a pedophile, too. That's going to be a habit for, like,

friends of Jimmy's. We've talked to two, three, so far, Lord Mountbatten, the the dude photographer on the show, and this fucking politician. So, that's three pedophiles. Had a Jimmy sample, friends already. The click. Yeah, the click. And also, he knows, he

“in Prince Andrew or buddies. We know what Prince Andrew's getting up to. No longer Prince Andrew.”

In 1975, Jimmy Savile did something rare, which is that he officially becomes a bigger TV star than he had ever been, like, a radio star. This is the moment where he fully crosses over, and from this point on, he's not going to be primarily known as a DJ. He's going to be primarily known for his work on BBC TV. The BBC gives him, like, a dedicated show called Jimmel Fixett,

which airs for the first time in 1975, and a prime time spot on Saturdays, right? This is,

like, a major show, it's running at basically the best time you can, and the premise is very simple. Children from around the world, right? Jimmy Savile letters outlining their wildest dreams, and Jimmel Fixett, so the dream comes true. Writing for CNN, Dave Gilpert notes that at its height, this program, which again, runs until 1975 to 1994, was receiving, quote, 20,000 requests a week. Famous fixes included, an encounter with boxing legend Muhammad Ali,

and the Boy Scout, who wanted to eat their packed lunches on a roller coaster, resulting in a predictable mess. So, that's the kind of show it is. You can see why this is such a hit. You know, you've got, first off, you've got these kids, and the way the show works is like Jimmel's letters. Right, it's like a make a wish. And he gets to read these cute letters that these kids write with their own drawings. He gets to laugh at like kids being cute or spelling stuff bad.

Then you get to have the kid on, talk about their dream, and then you get to, like, film, you, making it happen for them, and then he gives them, like, these medallions that say Jim Fixett for me, which for a while, we're, we're quite valuable. So, the series is, it's a massive success. And it makes Jimmel more dangerous than ever. Because now he's gone from, this is like a DJ who has access to teenage girls because he has access to pop stars. But like that has a time

limit on it. For one thing, Jimmel's pushing middle age now. So, it's getting harder and harder for him to still seem like Britain's oldest teenager. Now he has a reason to be around kids and be trusted by them. Because he's Santa. He's like, British Santa. It's crazy that they green look this show. We need a guy to be Santa Claus. Let's have him change pedophile. Yeah, the guy molest all the kids. Bring him on. He'll be a great Santa. Yeah. So, uh, the dreams he made come true

ran the gamut. In one early episode, a child wished to fly like Peter Pan in Sword Fight Captain

the same way you would for like a Broadway production. You know, another kid wanted to take his school teacher out for an expensive dinner at a fine dining establishment. And so, they put him up at this like crazy restaurant with these really elaborate meals and they fill them all of it. You know, you can see why generations of Britain's 8th show up, right? That said, as innocent as this is

sounds and should have been, the content wasn't always innocent. And in fact, Jimmel can't help

himself from like making references to his current and future sex crimes. There's bits of that littered all throughout episodes of Jimmel Fixed it. Sophie's going to provide you with show you all one brief clip. Ever since I can remember, I've always wanted to be a singer, but shyness is always got in the way. Please, because you fix it for me to sing. You'll sincerely Debbie Coleman. Here's somebody to help her who also has a problem with being shy. Gary glitter.

So, Gary glitter, huh? That doesn't seem like it was too bad, right? Just a kid who wants to be a pop star and he's like, okay, I'll fix you up with my friend Gary glitter and Gary was indeed.

“Have you heard of Gary, Courtney? Do you know what I think about this guy? No, no. Also,”

that kid was 20. Yeah, yeah, kid was 20 thankfully. Gary glitter, a major pop star was a major

pop star in the '70s and '80s and was a close friend of Jimmy Savel. He was brought down in 1999 after being convicted of downloading child sex abuse material. He was eventually charged with child sex abuse and attempted rape of a child among other offenses. glitter and Savel partied regularly throughout the '70s and '80s and shared a taste for little girls. And in Glitter's case, the youngest of his victims were 10 and 11. So, great, that he's hooking him up with

people on the show. Good to have Gary glitter on Jimmel fix it. At least that one person seems to have been an adult. Thank fucking God. They often weren't. Now, the fact that Jimmy wasn't singled out when Glitter got busted is extraordinary, especially because Jim made repeated as I was kind of insinuating earlier. He made repeated open comments about his attraction to girls as young as 11 in episodes of his hit, T-B-B-B-C-C show, top of the pops and in Jimmel fix it. Here's just one

example, and this is from the part of Jimmel fix it where he hands out his famous Jim fixed it for me medallions to winters of the show. So, we're going to look at that clip right now. "If both these young ladies are Jimmel fix it, that's just because, wait a minute, how old are you?" "12." "Hello, Judge." "And how old are you?" "You don't mind it, eh?" "Oh, that's all right." "It's fine, it's fine, everybody laughs, right?" "What did he say to her?"

He said, "He asked her age," and she said, "12," and he said, "Hello, Judge." "Yes." "He's joking that he's going the molester and get in trouble." "Oh, God." "And then the other girl says 11," and he says, "Are you married?" "And everyone laughs." "I didn't catch the argument as young." "I didn't catch the argument as young." "Larry, ladies."

“"Yeah." "I wish you this isn't." "Again, and I think this is part of his stick."”

"Yeah, it is grown off by how odd he looked in him leading over, and his like, did it, it's that I didn't barely even look at Courtney, Mr. Two."

"I was like, what if this strange man say?" "But generally what he's doing is first making a joke about molesting

a 12-year-old, and getting in trouble in court, and then making a joke about wanting to marry an 11-year-old, those are the jokes. He's not hiding this. All right, he's hiding in very plain sight. And that that hello judge bit is a constant. That's one of Jim's like catch phrases, right? Is he'll reference his attraction to a young girl, and then go hello judge? You know, he makes constant jokes. He'll also joke about having an upcoming court date, like I've had a great life,

and I go to, you know, my trials next Thursday or something like that, was like a really common reference from him. So there's a lot of bits about him being in trouble with the law for his attraction to underage girls that he performs on air with regularity. Once he dies, and all of the stories of the actual abuse start flooding out of the open, people begin looking through old episodes of Jim will fix it, and they find a lot of evidence of the bed of file lighting and plain sight. For an example of that,

here's one find from a user on the website beta.com. And this guy's actually like posting video from an old episode. He's like filming it on his laptop. Again, a lot of these original episodes are kind of hard to find now. So so if he's going to play you a clip that starts with Jimmy reading this kid's letter. From Notching for London Eastport, did Jimmy fix it? Oh. I'll set up with you here.

“How's that? I think you've fixed enough people now, and I think it is about time you were fixed.”

So when you fix it for me, take a look at the BBC theatre and fix you. What sort of love? Barplay court and name. PS, please do not tickle me. Yeah, Barplay. I'm presuming,

But if you have a sister, who knows? How are you? Again, again, it's just everyone laughs at this

“joke about this weird guy tickling a female child against your will, right? It's just funny.”

It's a bit, you know? Nobody takes seriously. It's fucking amazing how open this is.

Like the man, yeah, he's, if the show was called Jim a pedophile, it could hardly be emo more open about this guy's proclivities. Yeah. And yet, like paradoxically, the jokes act as a sort of camouflage as does, as you've said, the way he's dressed and the way he presents himself, it all helps him, it's very effective at letting him hide and play inside. And in some ways, it's giving him, like the fact that he brings the audience in makes them complicit. That's part of

the tactic. They're giving him permission to act the way he does. If everyone's laughing, can what he said really be so bad, right? But it's crazy that when Gary Glitter goes down or whatever, they're not like, wait a minute, what about his best friend? But that happens so often that some guy will go down for pedophilia, who is known as a close friend of Jimmy Savel, and Jimmy

“doesn't get in trouble. Like, it happens a bunch. Good stuff. I'm happy, how are you doing?”

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a superstar, or at least a UK superstar. He's never people will notice he never really crosses over

in the way that like some big BBC figures do, but he's very popular within the UK.

“As Dave Gilbert summarizes, generations of Britain's also remember him for a string of public”

information films, including a road safety promotion that encouraged motorists to use their seat belts, a campaign that started before while it wearing belts became compulsory in the UK. Savel's closing catchphrase, "Clunk Click Every Trip" was instantly memorable and caught on with the watching public. He also promoted the rail network and a campaign dubbed "This is the Age of the Train." And I read that quote because it's probably impossible for me to get

across to an audience of mostly Americans and people from elsewhere in the world besides the UK, what Jimmy Savel meant to Britain's of a certain age? The best I can do is to say that for most young British kids from like the late '60s and '70s, well, really to like the '70s through the early '90s, Jimmy Savel was the BBC. He has too many TV shows to keep track of. He's and whenever

“there's like a big, we're doing a big fundraiser, we're doing a big New Year's or whatever thing,”

we're doing a big holiday thing. Jimmy's the guy who gets picked a lot of times to like headline or MC because he's the face of the BBC, for like 20 years. He's kind of like Vrigis, Philbin, or something. Yeah, yeah, but even like I was aware of Vrigis as a kid, but we have so much choice and option for channels and the UK didn't as much in this period of time. So the fact that he is the face of the BBC, to a lot of kids, they would have just seen Jimmy

as like woven into the foundation of the Earth. Almost in like, if you were a '90s kid, a kid like late '80s through the '90s, the way that Robin Williams was to our generation,

we were just like, this is just like if, and Robin never did anything wrong that I'm aware of,

but oh, there's still jokes, but he was pretty coked out, but that level of this guy is woven

“into the firmament as like a part of your childhood, right? Yeah. And then I can uncle kind of.”

Like an uncle, like the country's weird uncle, right? In 1971, Jimmy also started volunteering at the National Spinal Injury Center at the Stoke Mandival Hospital. He not only raised money to renovate the hospital's facilities, which had fallen into tremendous disrepair, but he started doing regular shifts as an orderly, helping new patients to their rooms and doing rounds, just as an employee would have done, as we'll talk about this goes on for decades.

From the start of Jimmy's time volunteering at Stoke Mandival, there were rumors that Jimmy, per one acquaintance at the BBC, abused his position by having sexual relations with patients,

but this source insists he never heard anything about illegal activity with underaged girls.

So this guy's saying, basically, everyone knew that Jimmy's sleeping with patients at the hospital that he's helping to fund and is working at as an orderly, but we never thought that it was they were underage. Jimmy's like, okay, it's hard. It's hard for them to get away and they have to feel injured. That's literally why he does it. Yes, that is the tactic here unfortunately. However, prevalent these rumors are, they weren't enough to offset the funds that he's raising

for Stoke Mandival. Particularly at a time by the late 70s, great Britain social safety net is starting to look like it's running on fumes. It's pretty, it's pretty gross that they're like that the cost of fundraising is just like mass sexual abuse. I'll let this pedophile abuse people otherwise we wouldn't have money to keep the spine hospital in business. Yeah, they really value people's lives and wellness and just... Sophie, we've got so much angrier. I've been trying to

let hold, I got really angry after part two. I was like, I'm going to try to pace myself this

on their show. I cried during the research of two of these episodes. That hasn't happened

“for years. I am dead inside and I was fucking full on weeping during some of the research”

for this because what is just the scale of it and the the degree to which his victims had no possible method of fighting back against him. These are, he's going after people who are the most desperate people he can find in his society. Anyway, let's talk about Margaret Thatcher. In 1977, Savile first hosted member of Parliament Margaret Thatcher on a visit to Stoke, Mandval. The two became fast friends. Thatcher liked Jimmy because his talent for raising money

to fund public programs and facilities meant that the government didn't need to use as much tax money to support the NHS. Jimmy, on the other hand, seems to have instinctively seen that Thatcher was going places and he wanted her to owe him. His opportunity to do this would come as result of the harsh austerity policies that your sought to press upon the country if she became Prime Minister. Her vision of an ideal Britain didn't include public funding for healthcare,

but didn't include a worship of wealthy and powerful people and the charity they might be convinced

to provide rather than compulsory taxes. By 1978, Savile was one of the most prominent charitable fundraisers in the country. If you just tax rich people to fund your social,

“say if you need to fund your hospitals, then none of them are particularly like gain a position”

of necessarily power over the organizations they're funding. If you're just paying taxes and that keeps the hospital going, if you just walk into the hospital and you're like, "What my taxes pay for this hospital?" People are going to be like, "Fuck you!" But if you walk it and say like, "No, no, no, you guys are going to have to close down and I raise $10 million to keep you in business." They're going to let you do whatever you want. That's why a lot of rich people love charity.

That's why, again, if you watch the bone temple, the bad guys in the bone temple are based on Jimmy Savile. They're traveling around doing what they call charity. That whole movie is a critique of thatchirism and Savile's role in it. Anyway, I love that film. You're talking me into a wealth tax right now. That's what it is. Oh yeah. However, has Farrell Kenny noted in his piece for the UK Tribune, Savile quote, "preferred small local charities over large ones with organized structures."

He does a lot of charity, but again, it's mostly with these smaller orgs for a reason, because then they're totally dependent on him. And there's not going to be as much red tape, there's not going to be as much people looking into what he's actually doing. And in Kenny's article, he links to a super-eight video from 1978 of Jimmy hosting a charity event for blind children. In the video, Savile receives a flower from a young blind girl and then a drawing of himself.

And I'm just going to have Sophie show you the clip and we'll describe what's happening for those of you who are like he's out in front of this facility. He's got on like this shirt that looks like a fucking, what's that? It's like a game of twister? Yeah, it looks like a game of twister. I don't know how else to describe it. And yeah, there's this little blind girl looks like she's maybe 12, being like, "Let up to him so she can give him this drawing of himself."

Did he say, "And she's so pretty as well?" And she's so pretty as well. Goodness gracious. And again, you know, not necessarily upsetting unless you know what's actually going on. So, Ikki, if he wasn't such a fucking bad file. Yeah, exactly. Now, at the time, the more note worthy thing about that performance is that he takes out this photo that's been drawn to him and he jokes about it being a photo fit of the Yorkshire Ripper. Right? He jokes that

this drawing of him is like actually a picture of the Yorkshire Ripper who's a serial killer.

That was active at the time. This is a guy who is ultimately murders more than a dozen women

by the time he's caught. And is actively killing people and like the police are actively looking for him in 1978. Now, the real Yorkshire Ripper was named Peter Sutcliffe. And again, he was ultimately

“cotton convicted of his crimes. I think in 1981. But that's like three years away. And what's”

interesting about this to be just as a side bit is that at the time Jimmy jokes about looking like the Yorkshire Ripper, he was an active suspect in the murders. Mike quote from the telegram. Savile was brought in for questioning after members of the public contacted the police naming him as a possible subject. After a body was found close to Savile's round hay park home, a hardly street dentist was ordered to make a cast of Savile's teeth.

did try to stop him that so many members of the public reported him as being the likely culprit

“that the police force, which was largely staffed by his friends, had to investigate. That's”

how many people think there know there's something going on that they're like, well maybe he's maybe he's this serial killer, right? Like there's a lot people do know what's happening. And they do try to do something. He's a serial something, yeah. Wild that he's joking about it. Now that same year, 1978, Jimmy wrote another book, "God will fix it." About his Catholic faith. It included these chilling lines. In my early years, I can tell you I did a lot of things that

need a bit of forgiveness. I was in a business that was fraught with temptations. Temptations of the flesh are all about. So in my early days, I was a great and he puts this in quotations, abuser of things and bodies and people. Okay, okay. Couldn't be more clear. Interesting that abusers and quotation marks. I don't know what entirely he meant by that, but you know, he's not as interesting. Hi, Matt. Yeah. The fact that he's so public about aspects of his

personal life, as we'll call it, has consequences for him. Other people do read what he's writing and read these interviews. We'll talk about his sex life and they get upset. Even if they don't

all, they don't always mark him out as a potential pedophile. They don't always realize what's happening,

but they know that something is wrong. And there's also people in the pop industry who know more, again, maybe not everything, but they know enough. They know enough other people that they know something about what's going on. One of these people is Sex Pistols Frontman John Leiden,

“who said in an interview with 1978, I'd like to kill Jimmy Savel. I think he's a hypocrite.”

I bet he's in the all kinds of seediness that we all know about, but are not allowed to talk about. I know some rumors. He then added, "I bet none of this will be allowed out." And it wasn't. The clip did not air with the rest of the interview. Good for that guy. Yeah, that said something. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, that guy had a lot of power and he didn't do that much with it, but like, you know, better than every other, a joke in this conversation. And this entire thing.

Yeah. As we'll talk about, you know, libel laws in the UK are a big part of why stuff like that gets cut out. Jimmy's litigious and people are scared of being sued by him. Prior to the 1979 elections, Savel hosted a special episode of Jimmel Fixett at the houses of Parliament, where Margaret Thatcher asked him to fix it for her to become Prime Minister. She was elected on May 3rd of that year. Right after she took office,

Thatcher had her staff at Downing Street called Jimmy. Quote, "Her secretary rang to say she was rather upset because I hadn't been around to give her a badge. To give her her badge. I reported it Downing Street a few days later and presented it." Oh, good. Thank you, Jimmy, for Margaret Thatcher, for fixing it. So she got to be Prime Minister. I really hate when a woman gets it so wrong. Oh, she's, it's, we have barely crashed the

surface of how bad this is. Now, not long after this. Jim was carrying out Jim's daily dozen. A series of sponsored runs through various British towns meant his fundraisers for different causes. He asked Margaret which charity she wanted a chunk of the money he was raising to go to.

And he ultimately presented her with a check for 10,000 pounds for the National Society for the

Prevention of Cruelty to Children. The, the NSPCC. That's, that's good. That should love, cares deeply about the kids. Obviously. Now, Jimmy and Margaret would remain close friends for the remainder of Thatcher's PM ship and life. Jimmy's skill with charity was extremely convenient, given Thatcher's conservative austerity politics. But the start of Thatcher's term, the National Spinal Injury Center at Stoke Manival, was in such bad shape that five ceilings of housing units

had collapsed during a winter storm. The NHS needed additional funding for repairs and that was very much not in the budget or in the spirit of Thatcherism. However, Stoke Manival is a major facility

“in the UK. It's like a historically important hospital and allowing the facility to collapse”

would make for terrible PR. Because you want to cut the budget, you want to cut, quote, unquote, entitlements. But you don't want people to realize that they're taking your taking away their health care. So that rich people have more money. You really want to hide that until the latest possible moment. Savile held a meeting with Gerard Vaughn, Minister of State for Health, as Davies describes in the book for the book in-plane site, quote, "Over TNK,

at the House of Commons, Vaughn outlined the new government's thinking on the National Health

even such urgent work is that required at Stoke Manival would have to be supported by voluntary

“contributions, in line with the cuts in public expenditure, Prime Minister Thatcher was implementing”

across the board. Vaughn suggested this meant they had a problem. Not really, replied Savile, and they struck a deal. Savile with Jimmy Savile would lead a campaign to rebuild the spinal injuries unit at Stoke Manival using private money and donations. In other words, it was to be a pioneering example of the type of partnership between government and the public that the Prime Minister was so keen to promote. Now the renovations were to cost between

6 and 10 million pounds, as Jimmy announced to the subsequent press conference. When he was asked,

shouldn't the NHS just be funding this? He replied, "This is the way they used to build hospitals years ago and laid out how a simple 5-pound donation could pay for a brick, allowing every Britain a chance to support one of the most famous hospitals in the country." To make a long story short, it worked. Savile used his connections to wealth and fame to solicit high dollar donations and his ability to connect with average Britain's and host

public runs and other fundraisers to solicit large numbers of small dollar donations. Now, he does succeed in convincing thatcher to contribute half a million pounds of public money to the cause, right? But that means this goes from a thing that the NHS would have had to pay

10 million pounds of public money to do to something they have to pay just a half million pounds,

a public money to do because he raises the other nine and a half that's needed. Once the money was raised, Savile was fed it in a public press conference next to Prince Charles and Margaret Thatcher herself. This marks the beginning of his true climb up the rungs of power and fame and British hide society. As Pharaoh Kenny writes, "The preceding years had seen Savile work his way upwards through media elites, dance halls, to rate idiote, pop television, to prime time,

flagship television, as well as integrating into the national health service. The years that followed, however, can be understood as Savile tirelessly working upwards through the British establishment, the fathure government, the monarchy, and an ever-present relationship with the police."

“So, that's good. Do we have any evidence that Charles knows?”

A bit, we'll talk about Charles a lot more. Don't worry, Zovey. You can come to your conclusion. Because I'm just thinking like, he got like, you know, I would guess, people were not upset with him for not standing in the way of his brother getting arrested for being a disgusting pedophile, and he got praised for it.

We'll talk a lot more about Charles when we're nearly done with the one I'd like to know more, is what I'm saying. From the fathure years on, Savile was what some royal family watchers described as a court jester to the family. That's the role he takes on socially.

Savile first meets Prince Charles in 1977, which is the same year that he met

Thatcher and Princess Diana herself later wrote that Jimmy was a mentor to the future king, right? That's Princess Dye's take on things. That Jimmy Savile is her husband's mentor. I was not at all surprised to learn that Savile and Thatcher had used each other from mutual benefit. What did surprise me is that this seems to have been a genuine friendship on Margaret's part. As in, she deeply liked and appreciated this historically prolific rapist,

and she seems to have enjoyed her company and considered her a safe person to joke around with. After one lunch in 1981, Savile wrote a letter to Thatcher that included the lines, "My girl patients pretended to be madly jealous and wanted to know what you wore and what you ate. All the paralyzed lads called me Sir James all week. They all love you. Me too!" Great, beautiful to see a friendship. Blossom, it's wonderful here.

I don't like the use of me too and Savile, but the same said to me. A little bit about... They all called me Sir James. It's something he includes here because as soon as

“he becomes friends with Thatcher, Savile starts working here to try to get away with it, right?”

He's already OBE. The next step up is a nighthood baby, right? And Margaret spends like a drop-day fighting for this. She fights, she spends years pushing Jimmy to be a night. In 1983, Thatcher wrote Sir Robert Armstrong, the chair of the National Honors Committee, to ask about making Savile a night, but Sir Robert said no. And his reasoning wasn't that Jimmy was like obviously a dangerous child predator. It was that he'd just endured a minor scandal

about some comments he'd made in an interview about the young girls he hung out with at his charity runs. The AIDS crisis was on fire at that point, and Sir Robert thought it was an appropriate for the government to celebrate an endorsement man who made light of premarital sex. He pointed out that the lurid details of Jimmy's sex campaigns hadn't faded from public memory yet, and it would be best if Mr. Savile were to wait a little bit longer.

might not be able to refrain from exploiting a nighthood in a way which brought the honor system

“into disrepute." "You know, Accurate." "There's no way this is a genuine friendship. They're both”

just empty inside, and there's such climber fucking shit." "She goes to bat for him, though," right, you know, which, like do any of these people have real friendships in as much as Thatcher ever did or Savile ever did, right? They were tightly, they both very much needed each other, right? And that's like when Trump talks about having, like, his friends, it's like, "You don't have one single friend on this floor." "That's really, but you have people you need, and it's not where the, the amount

that Margaret goes to bat for Jimmy shows you how much she thinks she needs him. He is not just a celebrity, he's kind of friendly." "She is a major, he's a major part of Thatcherism, but she needs

him." "Okay." "It allows her to do a lot of the austerity shit she wants to do without

seeming like she's fucking the country as much as she is, because he's keeping the lights on in some of these facilities, and in return, he gets a blind eye turn to his molestation of hundreds and hundreds of people, because he's keeping the lights on in these facilities, which allows her to fucking cut shit to the bone, right? That's Savile's role in that charism, and it's a significant one, as shown by how much Margaret herself goes to bat for this guy. Now, the fact that it's

great, I love it when Margaret Thatch is in the story. Now, the fact that Sir Robert is worried Savile would use being knighted in order to like, for his own benefit, and some way that through the system into disrepute, was prescient. Savile's already at this point using his fame as a charitable fundraiser to shut down investigations into his sex crimes. Per the BBC, Savile persuaded the tabloids not to run stories by telling them they would be responsible for the end of his charity

fundraising. Savile himself admitted in an interview that's kind of leap about. Yes, they do if he wants something, because of his charitable work, right? Folks will do anything for me, because of all the money I'm raising for good causes. Now, any hope of negative reporting on Savile's crimes was further dashed by his close public friendship with Thatcher. Again, this makes it harder, you're some fucking kid who's like at a juvenile facility or whatever, because you got in trouble

for something, and Jimmy's molesting you, and this guy's, you're going to try to report the guy who's friends with the Prime Minister. Yeah, that'll work. And one of the, and the real family. And the Prince? Yeah, and the royal fucking family. And one episode of Jimmel Fixett, a little girl asks to be a cop for a day at 10 Downing Street, and Jimmy uses his connections to Thatcher to fix it. He gets, he gets a cop uniform, and she gets to like patrol around in front of the Prime

Minister's residence, and when, when Thatcher shows up in her limo or whatever, like the kid gets

“like a squirt her from her car to her residence. TV viewers eat this up, like it's adorable, right?”

But his victims, many of whom are stuck in hospitals and psychiatric wards, see this is more evidence that Jim is untouchable. I found an article on the website investigative psychiatry that's like analyzing a bunch of different investigations, several, because after it all comes out, how many people he was abusing, all the hospitals he volunteered at, have these internal investigations, and how Jimmy was allowed to abuse their patients for decades. And there's like an NHS investigation,

an NSCC investigation. Um, so this article kind of summarizing all those investigations notes. He leveraged his fame and claims of high-level political friendships to intimidate those around him. He successfully made hospital staff believe he had the power to have them fired. Well, simultaneously, coercing vulnerable patients into believing that reporting his abuse would only worsen their treatment and lead to punishment.

Now, he's, yeah, it's great. And the fact that for an idea of how much fucking absolute impunity he has,

humor in the first couple episodes, we talked about Jimmy's got this weird thing about dead bodies,

as a kid. Yes. It's kind of a regular like thing, like he makes some really weird statements when everybody sees like dead people. Yeah. Yeah. So that chick gets chopped up. Yeah. Let me read a quote from a BBC article. I'm afraid. Dr. Sue Proctor, who chaired an inquiry into Savel's actions at Leeds General and Firmary, said the star also had an unwholesome interest in the dead. It is alleged he posed for photographs and performed sex acts as uncorpsed in the hospital mortuary.

She also referred to Savel's claims that large rings he wore were made from the glass eyes of dead bodies at the mortuary. There's more we could say here, Jimmy's an, anacrophile, he's abusing dead bodies. That's like bad and gross. That's kind of all we're going to say about

“on these episodes. It's important you know that about him, but like we're focused. Like the living”

people are like my primary concern. Obviously like this is bad, too. It's just, yeah. That's a bad

in terms of like the things he's doing bad. Could you, I just want you to repeat that one

“part about what did you say he was with what the ring? Oh yeah. What? Yeah. He loves these”

got these big rings and he would tell everybody. He made comments out of this publicly that they're made from like the glass eyes from dead bodies at mortuary. That's where his like rings get there like big gyms from. I don't know what to say to that. Thanks, man. So my interpretation of what's kind of going on behind the scenes and Jimmy's apples head through this period is this. You've got this guy who gets his start as a hit DJ in a time when

that means unlimited sexual access to teenage girls. He enjoys this for years, but he's not an idiot.

He can see this isn't going to last forever. And since he doesn't really like any of his fellow DJ's socially, he's got enough perspective to realize they're flirting with danger while literally flirting with children. The BBC offers him a professional escape to a world with less scrutiny and more money just as his old colleagues start drawing attention for their behavior. And then he realizes the more big public act of charity he does, the more good he gets in with the people running the

country and the more camouflage he gets for his behavior. And this provides him with direct access

“to victims and his preferred age range who can't defend themselves. And that's why he”

volunteers primarily at spinal wards, psychiatric hospitals, and as we'll talk about in our next episode, the donecroft approved school for girls. Okay. And that's part three. I owe my God. I hate this guy. Heroine stuff, isn't it? This is the worst one I've ever done. Yeah, yeah. This is one of the worst ones we've ever done. This guy is the devil, the devil himself, really. I don't even know if there's a word to properly

describe how disgusting he is. No, no. I've been trying to think of him and I'm sad a loss. He's just a fox that got led into a henhouse made up of every single person in a hospital in the UK. Okay, cool. I don't even, you got to fuck something. Sorry, yeah, my books.

“Let me recover for a second. I wrote a book. It's honestly way happier than this. And there's a lot”

of such in the book. It's called Girl Gone Wild and it's feminist, which we need after listening to this. Yeah, that's nice. A poorant, a poorant that I'm just going to try to, I'm just trying to figure out where it's a poorant? Yeah, a poorant. Yeah, a poorant. Yeah, a poorant. Yeah. I don't know, revolting. Yeah, we use that word enough. Yeah, I'll load some. Let's end with loads. Okay. Behind the bastards is a production of cool zone media. For more from cool zone media, visit our

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