Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore with Katey Rich

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The marketing on this movie was insane. I'm going to put forward that it's insane that the poster for this movie is just kind of the movie. Bursin and Christopherson smiling. I don't want to see you. I don't want to see you.

Think it worked because people are like, well, I'd like to see that. I'd like to, I'd like Chris Christopherson to take me in his 11 arms. You like Ellen Bursin like his beard. We all want that.

“Would you argue that's not really what the movie is?”

But what would you say the movie is just like her crying? Like you don't like that? You know, it's Ellen Bursin's Oscar winning performance. I would say it's an element. It's a strong element of the movie.

No one's walking out of there being like, well, there was no Chris Christopherson hugging in that film. I feel cheated. Like it's in there. But I think this movie is more than anything about a woman stuck in cycles.

And this movie poster presents it as if like one door closed and another one open. It is an absolutely open. Absolutely. The door creaks open and she's like, I think it's safe to walk through this story. Exactly.

I mean, throwing out the idea that a movie about a woman is being sold with a man on the poster. That's true.

That's never been done before.

No. And him being above the title is kind of nuts. It's Ellen Bursin. I can think. Deal.

Chris Christopherson being. I mean, and what? This is two years.

“No, where are stores born relative to this after this after this?”

After this is this is the early, he, um, him acting. We can talk about it. But he's already very famous. You know, he's a, he's someone you want, you know, to show off.

Because he's like, hey, yeah, exactly. Yeah, we got this guy. God. Oh, he wrote that song. He did.

Yeah. I'm not a Chris Christopherson guy. I have to admit. You're like, whistler guy though, right? The character he plays in Blade.

Blade's assistant. Oh, okay. Right. You gotta go get those vampires. I can't even ask him if I like, whistler.

Well, like the, like, his mother, the painting. Oh, what? Oh. Oh. This is just got 100% jaunt here.

Oh, I like whistler, which is the verb I use for watching Blade movies. Right. I'm going to have a, is he in Trinity? See him the third one.

He is, but he dies for the second time.

I want to say. Rip. Because he dies in the first one. The second one, he's back alive. And they don't explain it.

The third one, they kill him for good. But then whistler's daughter shows up. Right. Whistler's daughter is, that's just a bill. Right.

Right. What if I have a daughter? I hope she looks like Jessica Biel for the seventh heaven. Right. And then planet of the apes, uh, a planet of the apes.

Parented at a cold 2001. Sure. A Stella Warren is his daughter. Oh, she's my daughter. I'm a human.

I hope these apes don't kill me. Uh. Damn apes. You can make the check out to its K-R-I-S. We can't do our favor a bit on that movie because it's too early.

But the idea that you can see the actor doing direct deposit on their phone on camera. Uh, yep. Chris Christofferson. The handsome boy. Isn't here.

You want to be looking guy? The handsome boy is the nickname. He's a man, David. Yeah.

“I think hung the boy is immediately offensive.”

There is a boy in this movie who is distinctly a boy. So you got to set Chris Christofferson the young handsome new boys here. The rancher. I think Chris Christofferson's as much of a man as anyone has ever been. That's an adult.

He's an adult man. Uh, and the boy in this movie has the foulest mouth he's ever heard. That's a brutal thing coming from Chris Christofferson. Yeah, you imagine. Now we'll list mouth.

I've ever. You imagine Chris is probably met a couple. Uh, saucy, uh, fellas. The thing all that time on the ranch, you know, you're not talking to enough people. And not not, not used to it.

I just think it's funny that this movie was sold as a second chance around calm. And then spawned a non nine season workplace to calm. And you watch it. And you're like, it's just like a pretty tender small character study about a sad woman. But the minute that you start with the mill's diner.

Oh, so you're like, oh, I would spend nine seasons here. Perfect sense. It emerged clearly formed as the setting for a show that you would watch. If you showed someone the first five minutes of this movie. So the crazy pro grite.

And maybe just a couple minutes of her with a husband. She doesn't really like that much. And you were like, no, it paused. Now, what if I told you to turn it to a hit the cops? You'd be like, what part of it turned it to it?

But 100 episodes end a spin on a few show. Someone the lack of the last half of the movie. They would be like, oh, sure. Ben looks befuddled.

There was a wildly successful sitcom that ran for nearly a decade called Alice's restaurant.

“That was based on this movie that was a workplace diner sitcom.”

But it was just called Alice's. It was just called Alice's. Oh, really? Yeah. I think was.

Alice's restaurant is a play. Right? No, it's the. What do you go through? Oh, that was.

Sorry. That's. I knew I was going to get you. It was just called Alice. It was the longest running sitcom of starring a woman until

Rosanne ran for nine seasons. Linda Lav and the great. And I would say it was. I mean, yeah, it was very successful. It's been a good half of its time on the air being like a top 10 show.

And here's what's crazy. Diane Lackon in this movie plays flow, right? A different actress plays flow on the sitcom. Everyone is different. Except for one person.

A Vick Tayback. Yes. The the the cook is the same actor, right? But everyone else is different. Because it was, you know, your movie actor.

You don't go down to TV. The show is so successful. They spin off flow into her own show.

“And then to replace flow in the dynamic.”

They hire Diane Lackon to play a new waitress. That's right. That's how big the show was.

But first she's like, I'm not doing a sitcom of the movie.

I was in. And then five years later, she was like, I would gladly join the cast. I'd love to. And in fact, where can I sign them? But it's just like, what if it's just this fun,

diner minus any abusive relationships? Have you guys ever watched Alice? I thought about doing it for this. And I never have. I know kiss my grits, which is the catchphrase.

Which that doesn't say in the movie, right? She's talking about grits. She's talking about grits. They get close. So there's plenty of fun colourful links.

I was, you know, probably holiday on this show. Okay. So I was in that stage. Grits should I hug them? Should I gently caress them?

Even it was just telling us to kiss morning grits. He was telling us to kiss morning grits. Even the grits also, I mean, you got a waffle house that's open 24 hours. You can have grits any time a day. What's your waffle house order?

Cause you live in a waffle house. - I'm not gonna be covered. - This guy's probably gonna cover, also the name of a hooting the blowfire film. - Well, where are my own dick-on?

- See? - Why did that wear my hooting the blowfire shirt? - Why am I married? - Why am I married? - Why am I married? - I'm glad.

- You know what? - Google I come, hooting the blowfire shirt. - Alex Cross Perry is rubbing his hands together right now. - Who don't even know what he's gonna do with this. - That was the 26. - That was the 26.

- He's gonna bully me. - I lived in Britain where hooting the blowfish, much like sort of Natchefark's 28 date Matthewsman, some of these like American bands. - All nighted.

- No, you just want to see like completely failed to translate. - Right, right. - You know, they were brought over and it's like, this is one of the hottest bands in America right now. They're all just went like double diamond

“and in Britain was like, I think we're okay.”

- It's just like how we don't get robbing Williams. - Sure. - Sure.

- It's just never made it over.

But I was gifted crack for your view when I was 10 years old and I gave it a spin on the old disc man. - It's southern frat rock, not translating, doesn't make sense to me. - Oh yeah.

- The blowfish and I've done this rant before is like, oh yeah. - Is that Darius Rucker's voice is incredible. Like that's, it's the thing where you listen to, you're like, he fucking rocks.

- And now he's become a massive, so little kind of thing. - And then he had his big career and you're kind of like, God bless him. - Yes. - You know, anytime you listen to hooting the blowfish,

you're like, all of this is pretty ordinary sounding except who the, who do you, who do you be? - I feel so bad, I know his name's not hooting. - But that's the thing, it's the blondie problem. - He could never come out from under being hooting.

- If you guys ever saw, as I talked about, - And of course the Jerry McGuire gagged. - Yeah. - No way, I'm not hooting. - As people who've listened to the show before,

no, I grew up in South Carolina, I don't live there now. But so if you drive into South Carolina from Charlotte, there's a, like a visitor's area there. And there is a video, like a South Carolina tourism video, the Darius Rucker made, there's a star of it.

It's like, hey, welcome, my state, I love it here. If he wanted to run for Governor, South Carolina, he would win. - Darius Rucker hooting? - Yeah, he did.

- But he would have to be hooting. - No, but he is like a treasure. So he is doing just fine. - You know, I agree, the man is a treasure. - Let's give him treasure.

- Let's give him treasure. - Let's give him treasure. - But he's a treasure, yeah, he's treasure. - It is funny to imagine, put him in the treasure. - He's treasure.

- It's funny to imagine he could run, probably win. - Sure. - With the name Darius Rucker on the ballot. - Just going, oh, love America. I can't do his voice.

- Darius Rucker on the ballot. - Everyone would be like, well, Governor Hooting. - Governor Hooting. - It didn't matter. - He didn't even be fine with it.

- He just have to accept it. - Yeah. - Yeah, I'm not liking any of their merch. I mean, the blowfish you're thinking about buying something. - I've got it.

- I just wanted to have a thought, but I'm sorry. - The shirt I have is found on the 1995 tour

that I went to is my first ever concert.

And it's, it has, they don't look like you on the back. If you go on eBay, it's on there. - They have the, there's the friends episode that's about, one of the very few friends episode that tried to touch on, like, sort of matters of like, class and money.

- Okay. - Like, usually friends didn't really touch this stuff. And it's like, oh, they all live in giant apartments and don't worry about it. - This is the one that Mike Lee gets directed exactly.

that three of the friends are kind of like, make good money and three don't. And it's, it's about that. - Okay. - And who do you think the blowfish concert is?

- Let's break this down.

“- Do you remember who the three just makes good money?”

- Ross's Ross, Monica makes good money. - Chandler and Monica. - Yeah, okay. Like, quote unquote richer, and then like Joey, Phoebe, and Rachel are the, but it, it might be Rachel is,

I can't remember where it just is. - Cause it's not a race, but it's a fast job.

- But she doesn't always.

- Rachel comes from money? - Yes, but of course she gets, she has to cut up all her credit cards, right? - Right. - Because she didn't marry the debt.

- Monica and Ross come from money, too. They all grew up in the same like, we can't cross, right? - Oh, they're coded as like suburban, yeah. Like, you know, like, they're fine or whatever. But, but it's sort of just like, it's saying like,

you know, like, Ross, I think it might be right, okay. But it's like, yeah, Ross, you guys have white collar jobs. They make money, and like Joey, he's a struggling actor. Phoebe, Lord knows how she's bringing the rent together. She does smelly cat, like what is Phoebe's job, right?

You know, and, and the crucial thing is that they, the rich ones get to go to a hoody in the buffish cops. - Wow. - And it's like, one of the things for, it's like, no grander experience, it's a hoody and it is both.

- David, I think I found the right piece of hoody murder. You had just texted it to me. - I think he would rock the shit out of this, and Ben is someone into fashion. I want your advice.

- Okay.

- I just think, I can't see it.

- Oh, yeah, I can't see it. - I'm gonna show it to you. - Oh, all right. - It is a charming roller bucket hat. On one side it says, the group therapy tour, okay?

- Okay. - And I don't know what other tours I assume. - There's this kind of tie-dye logo. - Oh, it's a little American flag. - You see in the bluefish, I cannot see Simsworth.

- Sims would rock this. - I'm not a huge bucket hat guy. - Yeah. - Usually-- - They're fat.

- You didn't hear their back? - There, oh, he's, you know, trying to get to David. You said you're not a huge bucket hat guy, but did you know that this one has an adjustable drawstring attached,

and the sizes run small? - Oh, thank God. - Just in case I need it to especially hug the old nodding. - Yes. - Can I actually have with the drawstring?

- You can get it. - I gotta get it. - Go in home candle. - Is your-- - Oh, you're on like the hoodie refer like this?

- No. - Okay. - It's great for an audio medium. - I'm just trying to see what it now-- - I'm just trying to, or is it like, does it look like this?

Like, you know, the crack for your views. - No, it's not even that one, okay, all right. - We're hunting. - And this one is 100 bucks on eBay. - Yeah, it's a tour shirt from like 95.

I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna be very good. - Yeah, right. - You want to come out of my parents' house is from 99, a very under-appreciated tour, and I was like, should I just film this thing?

And so my kids took college was not worth quite that much. - Remember that? - Remember all that concern that when the year 2000 hit, a hoodie in the blowfish, we're gonna go to that deck down to zero, that they're gonna crash.

- We thought we were gonna lose that.

“- Yeah, that's why it's all the month more in 1999, obviously.”

- Why two age? - Man, people tuned in. They hit play on their little pod catcher. Going home, I'll say, let's live here any more with Katie Ratchell. And by check, we love it.

Definitely a 10 minute hoodie run kick in this one off, right? - People are disappointed only because they were certain it was gonna open with 10 minutes of backer. - Oh, no, backers done. - What were you gonna say?

- I like to think I bring less chaos to this podcast than your average guess, like, I think I tried it right now. - But then I just started with the movie. - You have a lot of tangents, 'cause you and I, and you and Griffin, we have plenty to talk about.

- And we have kind of shared brain waves about kind of like reference point. - Right, yeah. - This sort of entertainment weekly era of being a teen who loves movies and I'll, I don't know,

but I just feel like we got a lot of roads we can go down. - Oh no, we're ready, let's go down some road. - And you know, who do you say about those roads in his song, I wish I could remember? (laughing)

If only I could make a lot of detail who do you know about Fisheries, which I don't know, but I can't. - I texted you the shirt that I, - Oh, here we go.

- So, you can now see it, it's the exact shirt. I did buy this one off eBay, now have two hoody shirts. And this is the one that I got at the tour in 1995. - God bless, wait, so you bought a shirt on here? - He's really nice for you.

- Last summer, around my birthday, I was like, you know what I'm giving myself? Is it who you're supposed to share it with? - Well, that's why we're supposed to go. - It's a good one. - It's green and blue.

- I think I'm gonna grab it, I got a text into you too. - Okay, it's really nice to be honest with you. - Okay, you'll drop down anyone this and hit and buy it. - Yes, all right, I'm texting it to Ben also. So now everyone loves it when we text each other on the microphone.

- Time, there you go. - There you go.

“- How you punished me, I remember that one.”

- Do you think you're supposed to be here? - Look at the voice of a hoody. - Oh my God, I'm a terrible singer. - I'm not based on that. - Well, I'll leave it there then, I'll stay in the on the high.

I always run in from an angel.

- What was the only one to be with? - I was the one that people were basically like, this band needs to be legally like, this part from music. - The Miami Dolphins were in that music video.

MTV played it like four billion times a day.

“MTV was like, wait, there's a Rootsie rock band”

with a black guy like this checks all our boxes. Fucking blank of the airway, it's like, we gotta get this guy everywhere. - Maybe we've cut that out. - I should have worn out.

- I just bought it. - All right, it's gonna be, we only get in the show notes so everybody can go. We're gonna write out all the eBay stores of these beauty shirts.

Great. - Time, it's very funny. The Alice doesn't live here anymore, or the Alice sitcom Wikipedia has a section of differences between the film and television series.

And it's like a various, not included. - That's the thing, it's all stuff. Like Alice's maiden name was Graham. - Oh, mission series. - Alice's maiden name was SpyVac.

And you're like film, sad, sitcom, doesn't touch dark stuff. That's what they're not saying. They're into like very granular details. - Did you go through the guest stars? - Please, this is one of those sitcoms.

- It was Hatcho. - But she was on it. - Celebrities would appear. - Here's something. - She's gonna appear as themselves.

- Show great. - As a customer. - George Burns goes, I guess. - I'm much fettoon. - I'm not.

(laughing) - That's great. - It is set in Arizona. Like it's still like, it's not like they like. Alice moved to a diner in Hollywood or whatever,

but people are just passing on through, I guess. It's a funny thing because like it was a hit show, but you can tell by it's kind of lack of Emmy norms

that it was never taken versus seriously.

- Like, Laven got a grand total of one nom. - And like, the legend. - Well, legends really wanna pass. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Of course, she's Seth Cohen's grandma on the O.C.

And that was her only ever Emmy nom, which is rude to Laven. - She and Chris Christ's office in both, past the 24th and 24th, but David, sorry. I told you not to do that.

And just for the wreck. - They asked, it was kind of like a weird kind of like, - I don't know, but I said, why you? (laughing) - It's nice.

- You just don't need to meddle in their business. - No, so Chris Christ's office ended at the grand old age of 86. - Yeah. - And I feel like Linda Labo also lived for very long time. She Linda Laven, it's a very old age of 87, yeah?

- At the time we're recording this, Ellen Burston 93, still working. - Oh, God. - So I will say about Laven, like, I don't look at Ellen Burston and go like,

Linda Laven to TV versus it's a totally different type of character. - There's also a crazy thing is that Ellen Burston later does a sitcom in the '80s. - She had Ellen Burston show. - It was a good, but that was a fucking riot.

“- I think it was just like a family sitcom,”

but that's another person where I don't go like, obviously let's get her on a multi-camp. - You know, I think it was one of those things where it's like, if you're someone like Ellen Burston where it's like, you are a tremendous actress,

you're an Oscar winner and you've been in huge movies

like the exorcist, but you're never gonna be treated

like a movie star by Hollywood because it's a sexist industry and you're a little older and you're more of a great actor than you are. - You always prefer theater and love teaching and maybe just wanted the consistent.

- And then like the call just comes along and like, hey, do you want the consistent work in paycheck? One of these network shows, right? - Sheldon did it, it only would be there. - Theking episodes, Megan Malali was her daughter.

Elaine Stritch was also on it. - I think Elaine Stritch played her mom. - Or no, played her mom. - Seven year, eight, eight, eight, eight. - Yes, her, eighties are a lot of movies I've never heard of.

Just going through her credit. - It's interesting because Ellen Burston is a Hall of Famer, right? She's a legend, there's no question. - I think she's one of the best screen actors. I mean, she's actually a legend.

- She told you to shut the fuck up that one time. - That's not what she said. - And you know that's not what she said. - She said tri-silent. - Correct.

And you gotta give credit. - It's actually way better than her telling me

“so that that's why it needs to be correct.”

- No, I think she's one of the greatest actors of all the time. - But she no doubt has, as Katie's saying, when you look at her filmography like, just a bunch of stuff where you're like, why on earth is that?

- Like, what happens to women who are the stars of their movies? What are you gonna do with them? - And also two additional Oscar nominations in the 80s. Like we're saying, well, that's a weird decade for her.

- So what would her-- - She has dying young, did she get a resurrection in 1980? - Yeah. - And then I guess, same time next year is 70/80s. - Right.

- Yes, she did. Like, she got a bunch of Oscar-nomes and she won one. - Well, she's in twice the lifetime to move the Amy Madigan got her nomination for,

which I had never heard of until people started getting run.

- But I remember when she got her, you know, nominated right for a right-wing for a dream, it was that classic Oscar thing of like, then being like, "And we're a few bit." And she's like, "I've been here."

- They're so good in the movie. - Were you played a crazy drug addict? She's like, "Okay, well, I've been in other stuff too." - I do think that led to a then kind of elder judgment. She's now a legendary, immediate instant gravitas.

- Great actor, we stand and, you know, today we discuss on Apacas the Griffon's about to introduce. - The film that won her Oscar? - Yes, which unfortunately, in my opinion,

screen performance of all time. - Oh, of them we can, is it a, is it a generalance for, really, really? - The woman under the influence is this year. - Yeah, I am sorry.

- Yeah, I am sorry. That's a fucking great performance. - The Ellen Burst and Wins and Marks for says he goes up to Casa Vetties and Rollins at the Oscars, like near crying,

and he's like, "I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry." - I'm so sorry. - I'm so sorry. - This fucking thing, 'cause this one also feels really passive at ease inspired. - Sure, we are.

- I mean, it's funny, we'll talk about it. - It's in the research, I'm sure, yes. - Well, and this is also among the great actors

“performances, like I think she's phenomenal.”

- It's phenomenal.

- I just, she's amazing in this.

- I would have given her the Oscar for one of the two previous nominations. - For, like, the X or so. - But this is a fascinating ripple effect. - I think she's amazing in the last picture show.

I obviously love the chloroce legion win, but if I, I think that about her 72, I would pick Burston. - Well, let me now look, while I pull up some Oscar pages, so we can re-let it guess. - This looks like-- - Blank check with Griffin and David.

I am Griffin. - I'm David. - We're about to re-let it get some Oscars, but not as much as we will in next week's episode. This is a podcast about filmographies, directors,

who have massive success early on in their careers and are given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion products they want, and sometimes those checks clear, and sometimes they bounce baby.

Sometimes they do a gig for higher to prove that they can do the diversity. - A lack of limitations, and it ends up being a bit of a guarantee because it wins-- - Wednesday, I love it, it makes some money.

- Oh yeah, it makes some of the TV show.

- And lunch is the second one.

(laughing) - But come to me. - Discourse lady, make money from Alice. - No, okay, no. - No, no, no.

- Successful, you can tell who has good teams by who gets baked into deals like that. 'Cause there are people who just cash checks for ever-- - I mean, this is the math story that I love.

Is that Robert Altman had no stake in mash? He had no upside from the film's box office success because they didn't want to hire him that he took DJ A Minimum and waived any participation. It also meant he waived any participation

and incillary things that would go on later. His son, who was kind of a burnout and he wanted his kids to work on the movie, he was like, can you write a song for the dentist? His son writes suicide is painless,

gets paid every time any episode of mash airs anywhere in the world. - And he left. - That is good. - He did his son for that.

- Oh, okay, that's that's good. I thought he'd be proud of him. - I don't think so. - Okay. - I don't think so.

- Oh man, he's good. - What's up, Harry? - This is a mini series on the films of Martin Scorsese. It is called podcast fellas. - That's right.

- Wow.

- It's my first time hearing this.

- I would like to see you, I wanted to see your response to this episode. - It's a short list of options you had, too. Like, it's not a lot of titles. - I thought this doesn't pass to you anymore.

- That's what we should have called. - The podcast, knocking at my cat. - That's this castless sense? - Yeah, that one's called. (laughing)

“- That's what he was the best part of in a cast.”

- The podcast street. - There is a scene there. Yeah, yeah, pods of new cast. But no, it's called podcast fellas because that's what we are.

We're a couple of podcast fellas. And today, sometimes girls, we have a pod lady with us joining us. But as we love to say, kind of the first blunt check guest ever.

- It's very important. - Yes, very important. Helps codify the box office game, right? - Yeah. - And also importantly,

mother of still record holder, youngest guest ever on the show. - True. - Almost, baby, try it. - Yeah, are the listeners ready

for the age of that baby from the Titanic episode? Because it's important to talking about this movie, too, which is that partly, Charlie Smith's turn 10. - He's about to turn 10. - As when this episode is out,

I assume people have already turned 10 because it's very soon. - As he was on the podcast, he was baby. - He was three months old. - Now he's a little man.

- So crazy that you brought a three month old baby. - It's a completely crazy life. - It's crazy life. - We love him now. - But none of us knew anything about babies.

This is the fact that I did that. - Katie, turn mindy because we are trying to remember this on the subject. Your last episode with us was intolerable. - Yes, when I stepped back in the studio,

I was like, oh, yes, I don't remember. I was talking to him.

“- Because we were like, well, I remember that.”

- I was like, no, but you don't have any sense that, but remember, yes. - Okay, this is also your 10th episode. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

They are. I just think person person's my favorite performance in that film period, but that was like she was like brand new They were all the long back then. Yeah, the other I would say big nominee there is a Margaret and Colonel knowledge, which is a great performance and I'll just say it and Margaret kind of a looker You've also got Barbara Harris in who's how we're going to why he's seeing this terrible things about me

But like you know, I would say with them with there. It's kind of like right pick and Like with Clarissa's just kind of like that's her Oscar man. Like she doesn't you know, she doesn't have too many more swings at the at the movie Yeah, yeah, whatever. You know, whatever. Okay, so then she loses for the exorcist

Uh-huh to Glenn to Jackson for a touch a class now. We respect Linda Jackson. I've never seen that film

I've I love her you know for women who loves an amazing. He had one three years previous. She had it's a surprising

“I think four, but yeah, you know like surprising second win for her and I think the reason she won was it was a bit of a weird year like”

It's Alan Burst and the exorcist who's amazing in the exorcist is a mild stretch as a lead Yeah, I would agree she's sort of counts, but like she's not really in the back half of them The movie. Yeah, yeah, she's not the thing you come out of the exorcist. I know it's pretty. Yeah, it's a little brooker damn tailbone It's a little like Michael B. Jordan's thinner is minus the skill piece of the twins thing right where you're like There's such a centering force in this film, but she was also the highest grossing film of it

It was a hit and she's great in it. Yeah, and then you got wait wait is the devil the lead Why would see Linda Blair and they put Linda Blair into hoarding in that she's a classic But I mean like she's the one like the movie's happening to her Everyone else is a little bit in it. I think person's the lead. I accept it. I accept it. Okay, but I think it might have hurt her for a win Yeah, possibly and then you got Martia Mason the great Martia Mason in Cinderella Liberty

The James come of a Marcredell movie. I've never seen it. We got Barbara Streisand and the way we were we stand

“Yeah, yeah, please stand. Yeah, sure. I think that movie is a little silly”

But I think it's an excellent movie star performance. Yes, I agree. And then you've got Joanne Woodward in summer wishes winter dream Have never seen that. Not a movie. I've seen. Yeah, no, this is a lot On food it is a sounding to go through these and realize how rarely the best actress nominees were from best pictures Oh, yeah, when you get out the 1950s. Yeah, it's a little better now with the 10 noms Yes, you know or whatever, but I bet you even now if we didn't have the 10 noms

It would rain a bit of a get-up. Oh, there are so many movies that do not exist outside of one lead actress nomination for a new star Is the exorcist getting the horror Sovery with the suit Yeah, because I think it was a big breakthrough and it did win two Oscars. Yeah, but it was yeah, it was The noms were the reward a little bit of kind of like well, you know, you it won't be a

Okay, now this is actually not a ton of pp in the extras. That's not the most pp. I said best pp You're notable. I thought the category was just best goo. I mean. Oh, yeah, no, see it was like the good It was like the best score musical comedy drama thing It most years. It's best goo. This is one of those years where they split it into best vomit and best pp It was a choose from and the next is this winning both made them think maybe let's make it one category one again

“It one best adapted screenplay and best sound. It you know, and you're like how did it lose?”

It was a hip-o-led. It's like it lost to the sting which was just also a phenomenon. Oh, so right What they were two of the 10 high-scursing movies. Yeah, they were just both movies that had like Played for a billion years. I mean, it's it's an insane five. It's the sting The exorcist and American graffiti. So three just like Critically acclaimed powerhouse blockbuster out of nowhere movies and out of nowhere in different ways three the most

People like Like people are gonna love Exorcist obviously and then the other two nominees are a touch of class, which they they really went for the kind of like British comedy back They love to sneak those in sure and then In my Bergman's Christ whispers. They loved Bergman. They gave him proper respect

He was at his right. They love him in the in the final phase of his career. Yeah, they would they would they would roll out the carpet for me I assume he would not attend. I don't actually know, but have a feeling you didn't really show up to a lot of those ceremonies or he was a party animal Maybe he was there being like I love this so being hosted by Bert Reynolds Diana Ross John Houston and David Niven Is that the one where there's the street curtain Niven goes like he's got a tiny dick

That's the dream team those four people. We always wanted to see the big of a big four just like whenever I see Diana Ross

I'm like where's John Houston her counter part you look naked without David Niven by your side That is so funny that it's like, oh, no, this is the year before Chinatown So we got in John Houston and that mode Correct, Chinatown is the year after you're like Director first and foremost menacing character actor secondly, right before his most notable film role, but he has the greatest day MC

Yes, third MC then like the biggest pop star

Reynolds right you know, he's probably hi just the dude from the leading man. He read me. Yeah

You know, I'm on stage presumably when you if you think about a world where Ellen Burst never wins an Oscar

Then you're like, okay, well, then maybe did she win for Requiem does she win for Requiem is a makeup But it's the swankier, right? No, it was Julia Robertsy and that was just a tough train to stop nor should it No, you don't you don't take that away. I agree. Would would you both agree with the idea that she probably came in second

“Ellen Burston. I remember the I think split the bit of a thing because Ellen Burston hadn't accepted her own award of wouldn't it be nice for her to give us”

She does I will say whenever anyone trots out that argument. I'm like. We're split in here She won but she didn't say it saying get to give us speech. I'm like, okay?

I mean Laura Lini was the critic fave that year, but I could see the argument for Ellen Burston was me

I feel like back then critic faves didn't get you as far at the alleys. That was a real nomination is the way of course It was yeah enjoy your Saturday spirit test. I can tell you the best actress musical or comedy that year was the not Oscar nominated Renee so I'll look her for nurse Betty. Oh, yeah, but that there were but there's the only overlap There was Julia to binoosh was nominated for shock. Yeah, we have to be in the circle on Fever back then Brooklyn makes him honey. I did watch choke a lot for the first time like in the last five years and it does kind of fucking

One of those things where if you remove any like what did it get what did it steal nominations from and you just watch it as its own thing

“It is delightful. I mean, it's I think I made this joke possibly, but Alfa Molina plays”

Snydly whiplash even more than the time. He literally played That joke, but it's it's very true. He shows up with a mustache

He's let's go in flash dance, right? I mean, I put loose like lift like the town has to band Dance and the million is just like

So thin and so long Such a sniveling little fuck with a cape it's amazing. Oh, yeah, it's a cape. Yeah Where there's actually the white rose from Athens and where does it go for me to get red rose? Of course in Europe, Rosario says "Hose with the highest rose in the world" a lot of 1000 rose trees were on them with a lot of flowers and beautiful flowers. The Ville Rosario D.E. Where all this is?

Doesn't live here anymore is at

“1974 American romance a comedy drama film according to Wikipedia. I guess that's what I'd call I would call it a drama”

Light or you know, quite it's drama directed by Martin Scorsese written by Robert Gatchel who is quite a career. I want to go on this side goes on to write Bound for glory and you know, well, that makes sense. You're like, yeah, right? It's a very very grounded. Although he's one of four I will say credit and screenwriters on mommy dearest. So that's not all on him Then he made the patsy climb by a pick sweet dream with the Jessica Lange. He wrote that

He wrote a bet middling movie called Stella. I don't really know that's a Stella Dallas right Nick. Oh, fuck it is Wow, this is like genuinely a fascinating career He got points on the Alice sitcom for creating the pair. You got you got it. Yeah, if you're the writer You're gonna get point, but then he did okay, but come on. He writes point of no return The Lefemnicator. Yeah, and then he does this voice life in the client

Yeah, he was you know He was a work work guy. He worked. We call him a work guy. Yes, the film yeah was a You know a 1974 Christmas release that got good reviews made money one and Oscar Was a solid nonchance course as he's career. I feel is often obviously under disgust

It's very recently getting a criterion disc. I believe Marie has gotten her hands on it today And it's delivering it to the office tomorrow like one day late for me to have watched This plastic criterion disc not Marie's fault. We're in fact getting it early. Yeah But was hoping it would time out better, but yes, it is only been on DVD for the last 15/12 I rented it on the old iTunes. Oh, I looked all right the tunes for the eyes

Oh, sorry. Yes, and it's a film we should discuss and with us is have we Yeah, I think I think if you as a fair like you discovered this movie back when you did the scorsese screen dress

That's my podcast, but no, I did screen dress it with these scorsese group ranking

So I was in charge of the middle 10. Yeah, it seemed like quite a stressful approach The real podcast nothing is not ever happened on not a lot of work This one was especially chaotic Emily St. James a friend of us and of the show was on the The 30 to 21 group right didn't she fuck everything up by drafting something last there was a group effort Okay, everything up. But just like chaos rained on that like they didn't want to deal with the Dylan docks

So they left us with like no direction home Bob Dylan in the middle 10 We're like they left us out of here. They left us with who's that knocking at my door Which I don't know if you guys have done that episode over here. Yeah, you're right now It's a perfectly fine movie. I like that Well, I wouldn't be bottom 10

“Yeah, I would put it on spot. Well, but that's what I don't understand about this approach of like”

They get to check you make it a group project

Well, it's it leans into the chaos But now I'm looking. I mean this podcast. I don't know how this right can work does well. There's just oh, there's like vetoes Oh, the patreon members got to veto. Yeah. I don't think that affected what we did They would someone was here in Irish when 29. I didn't know. Yeah, but I like I made it Well, that last one was number one dead last was shine a light which like sure

But it looks like someone tried to burst one fine. I mean, but again, it sort of doesn't count like I know a perimeter this may not even 30. I think they brought shine a light and a rolling thunder review Which I don't think was a theatrical thing that was a necklace thing Which is actually kind of fine, and that's a lover of rules it stressed me out. I was not inhaling and throwing thumbs up But no, it looks like someone tried to put the departed land. Yes, that was their real chaos. It was trolling

I think we wanted putting the departed in our middle 10 which I was I would put it right

“Just honestly you're wondering why someone tried to put the departed last you must have missed that Frank Costello was a guest on that episode”

I smell a rag on this podcast I think they did age of innocence. Is number one? I wasn't on that one either We were in the house of it number one, and they have good fellas to tax driver three. I mean like Number one, it's a little too chaotic guys. This is a little much. I'm I'd I'd try to make it less chaotic My big complex middle veto system really messes with stuff because then it like stuff will get bumped up

There's a lot of rules a lot of like I we want to put in local Wall Street in our middle 10 because our Pauja Reed is not a fan of it And I didn't have the ability to make it. I would put Wolf of Wall Street in my top 10 But the thing I'm really proud of from our group is that we left Alice for the top 10 like we said We're not drafting Alice you guys can have it in there because I think it's I think it's in my top 10 It's really that's something that's fine

And it's a great movie, but Cape Fear is number 10 I just don't know if you're just not belong in the know what's going on and it feels like because you guys left dishes It's weird that there's like movies that vaulted up the list because the prior guys just didn't want to talk about Was it corpse thing where you're like, oh, I guess who's that knocking in my door is number 19 I think I feel like you had like an aneurysm doing

“Respectfully to the fine folks at the screen drafts. They have to come on and I've been like I've heard you have to for our”

I won't be doing Right, I did it once with J.D. And we did Jim Henson movies and we had a wonderful guy friend I mean I were in sync and they were like the fucking bath right there with your friends right and it was it was contained Right, and then they were like you wanted to a pick-up It's our mega draft. It's every picks our movie, which at that point maybe was twenty one or twenty two and I believe it took six hours

Everyone else was on the west coast. I finished the episode in the garbage trucks were coming to collect The sun was rising This was deep lock down and I say this. I say this kindly I don't blame anyone involved in this episode. This is just what it was. It was the worst day I had in the pan that I remember and that's the most damning thing I could think about in the 24 hour period

Yeah, that's a that's tough. When I was a handle it I'm so it's exhausting every time I have done that and then at the end of I say wow, but I watched every more in scorsese movie And it felt nice part right. I mean you guys are doing the same thing. It's the thing that part of it paid off so much for me Because I still think about a podcast that gives us an excuse to do the same thing on a more manageable schedule Although you do make some long episodes

We do but I don't know if anyone's heard about that But I get stressed out even when like the our friends at the big picker doing drafts and they're like I have to watch 80 things Yeah, to prep for one episode. Yeah, you know all the things we did the big pick Oscar Changes like we were just doing And I figured out how to prep for that and like you can't watch everything but knowing what you need to pay attention to it is

When you have that white of field it gets really crazy But that's the thing you're just sort of like well, what I don't need to watch summer wishes winter dreams Whatever I'm sure that's some bullshit. And the Chris Ryan shows up being like guess what it happened. Yeah, yes, what's that noise? Oh, it's the dossier crack. Oh, Creek. Oh, you are on it today Good job, and Ben's doing great. He's guarding against my mental health

some time

Which as you may or may not know as with many of Freak and film was a bit of a trying shoot Some person out of the room. Yes, there are some wild stories about that. Yeah, we're such as like Freak him would just fire a gun Without telling anyone to make everyone freak out like on camera and then they like action and then like Tia harness around Ellen Burston just fucking break her tailbone and like the entire set was a refrigerator and maximum sideout We've had makeup on but by the time the movie was over. He just looked like that. Yeah

So that film is really really hard, but they make it and the studio, which is a little studio called Warner Brothers David's room is Warner Brothers shirt realizes. It might have something special on its hands

I'm pretty impressed with one Ellen Burston. Yes, basically John Callie is the in charge of Warner Brothers

They're looking at daily of the film and they basically just like call Ellen Burston or like we want to do a movie What do you want to do exactly like you got we have a pile of scripts take a look like we'd like to be in the Ellen Burston business

“Ellen Burston who I think is like a woman of taste. Yes, or like you know a really a great actor”

But also clearly a very intelligent one and a very thoughtful person who, you know tries to give a shit, right? I don't know and she's she's one of the earliest members of the actor studio studies under Leastrasburg is like real Protector of the flame of the sort of I don't know the beauty of acting like he started on the Leastrasburg When he only had a half inch of chest hair and it wasn't even white yet

He would sit there all day for you the four inches try to push it out Like in Godfather he actually doesn't die when they shoot him because the the chest hair just catches the bullet She's she is a rare American to have the triple crown of acting as it's called where she has an Emmy atoni and an Oscar What's her Tony for her Tony is for a same time next year

“And she has two Emmys one four in episode. I believe of law and order sVU”

The old one of course for political animals What you were on which I was you told you to try not know you're forgetting I was three times in a project with her

It was like you're like I've worked with you before and she's like never

Try silence was on draft day, which was the third and final time I worked with that one He started building into a contract after that. It's like never worked with her. The conversation was in the makeup I know I know. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know you were I just in case someone has it's a full I was talking to all that person make her Simon's in the makeup trailer. Who's a bit of a chatterbox? Let's be honest We like to talk us silly boys. We were probably not been talking about bluers

Who knows what we would have been talking about in the show sketches or some shit and she showed up in the makeup trailer

“And I think to her because at the rap party for not political animals, but possible side effects a pilot”

Directed by Tim Robbins that wasn't picked up or she basically played the matriarch of the saccler family

Right, she was it was like succession with medicine and she was Brian Cox. I went up to her at the rap party and told her how how much

I was a fan of her work and how much she meant to me and that I was trying to start and she recommended me and acting She said I use this person and she said I don't remember being on that show If you say so and I was like what a moving thing to hear. I mean say this in a mean way, right? But she isn't in 10. Okay, and then I went back to talking and she goes, well, I'm glad that helped you And then I went back to talking to Tim and after like 10 minutes, she went Griffin and I went guess and she went tricycle

You didn't even say why don't you try now. No, I was trying it wasn't an invitation. It was whether in thing anyone has ever said Tim has described it as witness in a murder Like five minutes later, she apologized Realized it was so correct devastating that she was like look I look I was you were being a little out I might be surprised to hear and I remember seeing someone who can command a lot of force without raising her voice I met she does it rarely, you know

The entire makeup trailer went silent. Oh, yeah, and they was a fairly low budget video movie This they were shooting on said they stopped talking and even no why it was leery shut up It was like six to ten shares in the makeup trailer like everyone was in there So there's a full line of people all with their own like hair and makeup people and it looked 20 people are just stunned silent after five minutes She goes like I'm sorry. It's just that I use this time to try to run my lines

She said something like that. I have your own fucking draft day And come on. What are your lines? Don't draft that guy a sunny. I'm your mother Kevin Cosper's mother, of course, it's great. It's just so fun. You better be proud of your drafting Or not yes Her to imagine like her and Dennis Leary like sharing since I'm sure they do not

The elusive matriarch slightly dominaries Josh Lucas's mom Sigourney Weaver's mom and then Kevin Cosner's mom

This is a wide age range of people's moths. Yeah, but you know actors who can cover a lot of ground themselves Yeah, it was and at that point Ellen Burston just read as old lady like it was just sort of like this is your classical Lady on screen who isn't trying to look young You know she hasn't had like Bazaar shit on. She's in her 90s now. Yeah, and she's great. She famously my favorite awards thing with hers

That she was not my favorite episode of Big Love that I think she maybe doesn't have a line in But she was just submitted kind of by mistake because they like submitted a whole host of actors from Big Love for guest actress or whatever And I think voters were just kind of like Ellen Burston and Big Love. I assume she was good Let's give her the nom and they had to like apologize for giving her a nomination that also happened with that TV movie The Bob Balaban directed that was

What was it? It's Susan's for random and very fine. So I want to say it's like a Butler who killed the woman he works for Is this Mrs. Harris, which I'm just looking at this. No, it was Big Love. Oh, you're saying. Oh, there. Oh, no, Mrs. Harris was a big thing This one is a net betting in Ben Kingsley, which is not all

“That's what I'm thinking of. Yeah, there's like that that movie has like a faux mockumentary style”

We're we'll cut to talking heads occasionally Ellen Burston did a cameo as a favor where they cut to her and she goes like I never liked her anyway

Maybe that is what I'm thinking. Oh, yeah, maybe that's one line and it was an automatic nomination and She was just like this is offensive. You should nominate me and nominate someone else And I believe entertainment weekly did a rundown and they were like look she makes like 15 choices in her three seconds They were like this is a ridiculous nomination and clearly people didn't watch it, but also this is sort of proof of how good she is That means David and I were talking about the Emmys before coming here. The Emmys are completely ridiculous and what they nominate

They see the name like don't she's all got that nomination for the like for fucking secret. It was going to a Marvel show the Captain American Museum Pretty good exhibit People see that name there's so a few like I don't know what this is. I don't know what this is new like great Don Chile especially if someone's a movie star and they're in a project that people know is legitimate But didn't watch. They're like yeah, it was like a real thing right? Yeah, that was an HBO movie

How shitty could it be even with like movie stars on TV all the time now? It still has that we were like Oh, well burst it must be I mean as he's in it. It makes it seem legit correct She was nominated for House of Cards. I know she was on House of Cards did she play Frank Underwood's mom Probably a good guess. I was Elizabeth Hale I love she played the leader of the cult did she not? Yeah, she's like a matriarch or something

Sounds like something else. I'm gonna move on to the script. She was sent she was sent a big pile of scripts And she's like she's like it was an education every woman in these scripts is either the victim The understanding wife of some hero out saving the world or a sex object of some sort There's no script where the woman was the protagonist stories were about men and women played a role In that man's story. So let's also call out Ellen's like had nothing

Three bad marriages that all ended before the time she makes this movie

She she knows from dysfunctional marriage. She tried to force several times meal burst in her third husband is

“Oh, she gets her name for yes was schizophrenic and I think fairly unbalanced her”

actual name is Edna Gillouly yes, what you can see why she didn't use that as a stage name because it doesn't quite trip off the tongue So it's early in the women's live movement as she says the 70s were starting to look up and wake her you know wake up and look around and She wanted to make a different kind of film and so she finally reads Alice doesn't live here anymore A script by Bob Gatchel. She sends it to John Kelly. He likes it

But it had been optioned by David Susskind and so he had no deal of the studio But he had it on the last possible that he picks up his option to block the mood of him because he doesn't have a studio Mm-hmm and so her agent calls him or maybe Tony called, you know someone Yeah, your her agent calls him and it's like Ellen wants to do this movie and he's like I'm doing it with Anne Bancro And he's like we have a fucking green light from Warner Brothers like if we can to do that like you

You have like an idea of doing something someday or you know, we have a studio like who will make this movie and

“Susk and said hmm, I think we should make this movie with Ellen Berson of Warner Brothers”

Yeah, you know now this is crazy John Kelly then says to Ellen Berson do you want to direct it crazy? That is pretty wild that is I've kind of I don't know without parallel in this time period Pretty much I mean like I mean all the more wife is reacting like you know there's So and when you think about like female directors in the studio system. I mean how hard stress and had to fight

Yeah, I just wonder if that causes that somehow maybe I mean I think it might be just truly John Kelly being like

This is a cheap movie. I want to be in the Ellen Berson business and you know you pick the script Manish man. Yeah, so still a new Hollywood risk taking era and here's someone who kind of represents the new guard of acting styles Here's someone who's kind of like a female denier row in terms of like she's locked in some whole different process Maybe she'd get interesting performances out of other people So instead she calls up I had some

Italian director by the name of Francis Cople and She says you know anyone and he says why don't you watch a little movie called mean streets hasn't even come out yet, but I recommend it and she watches being streets and Cople had just seen it and been like I like this De Nira guy. I think I'll put him in my movie. Be Godfather part one one

“Her quote was she said you go look at a movie like mean streets or no, that's what Francis said to her”

She said it felt exactly what Alice needed because it was a wonderful script and well written But for my taste it was a little slick scripts a little slick. You know and a good way and kind of a door of stay Rock Hudson kind of way And I wanted something a little bit more gritty. It's smart to just go like Okay, I like the script and the foundation of this But if someone deals with it on a superficial level, I think it's not gonna work

So how do I get someone who's sort of like higher a director against type for the film to bring it down? I have a hard time imagining that script. I feel like a wonder if like did he change the script itself? Or is it really just all in style that changes to those people? I don't know. Maybe there's three episodes of the sitcom That he retroactively submit it. Or it's the Chris Chris Stafferson Romcom that the poster makes you think it is but it does make you consider how cool it would be if like

Either Safty brother did this today. Oh, yeah, yeah, I wonder if there's an analog because there are some directors who've done stuff like this But yeah, like I don't have to think but love this She meets with this as she puts it small nervous little guy. Yeah, that's a good way to describe them And you know, he's like He's excitable and they're talking about it and she says, you know, tart tell from that film means streets

“What you know about women? Do you know any few of them?”

Which is a fair no have you not one and he says no, but I'd like to learn Yeah, which is pretty cute pretty good. He said he's intelligence beam through his face, so we went to work together Had he started any of his failed marriages by this point? I know where are we in? Where are we in the sports? Is he bad husband? I just hear his story one divorce down. Yeah, right? It's the classic like

60s, you know, he's yeah, he's not married to Julia Cameron. Yeah, he's divorce from Lorraine Brennan like the 60s early marriage Where it's like what we had to live together in our parents would be mad like you know I wanted to have sex, which of course He has years of being about husband still ahead of him. That's all much more to learn about Quite as an absolute revolutionized the field of bad husband. Oh, I assume you guys are talking about mr. Scorsese the documentary over the course of doing that

“We've brought up the amount of his ex wives and daughters and then movie here. Like yeah, he was terrible”

We love him though. Yeah, we're just like he took a fall. Never stop

It was really around fun. It's just really remarkable how affectionate they are for the horrible things That's horrible, but he was not you know It's mostly absolutely yeah, yeah, yeah, right. It's not like yes. I would not want to have been married Talking about a movie about bad marriages and such we want to like imply a different kind of bad marriage You watch that and it just feels like everyone who married him kind of felt bad for him

Not that they were marrying him at a pity, but they were just like I was just really worried about him Like everyone talks about him like a little danger like fawn that they tried to nurse back to health and they're like ultimately a ran back into the woods He and drop your Robertson just stayed up all night for three days and I said you go buddy. Yeah, I'll let you like all that the woods So they They get to work. He's dating Cindy wine trob at the time. Okay, and she sort of was the one who kind of read the script from across his desk

Or whatever and said like this is good like, you know, these has interesting characters because I assume he was basically just getting all that like gangster movies

Like being sent to him, right, so it's like he's smart. He's like I should make something completely different, right like what better way than You know, then you know to avoid being typecast Alses away trying to find another way I kind of make genre in Hollywood it was something like a vehicle like a Betty Davis vehicle or junk Crawford vehicle I enjoyed those movies like Mr. Skeffington so this would be a way of embracing the genre. It is so funny that even young 20 something

Martin Scorsese making a lot of architecture right Who's to each other is like, but I am a huge winner to who has seen every single Every great director made a win that picture right I have great respect for Mr. Skeffington Well, you do have to assume the script did not include the prologue in this that looks like the Wizard of Oz

I mean you start out with like a fucking like Doug Listerk opening credit seat like that's still rumpled in the background with the titles over You look you're watching the wrong move

“and obviously as you just pointed out very inspired by Mr. John Kasabadi”

What do you see a little bit and doing after driven move it he has a great relationship with his mom That's like it's different from this movie, but he has like a chattie Firecracker right in formal kind of relationship with his mom and so he's investing a little bit of that And there Well, you know, his dad is clearly sterner and more reserved but his mom is a cut-up. Look, she's funny

Gatchel's screenplay apparently

He wanted to change the third part dealing with the farmer. Okay, that means first-person

And right at Chris you can't I don't know it's Like the beginning is not quite right in the last sequence is not quite right. They rewrote it together They weren't satisfied then they start doing some improv in New York with Allen That's kind of cool and they were sort of throw it back to Gatchel. I don't know They're just describing me writing the movie who cares. They did a good job

“There is an elected like three and a half hour cut of this movie that I'm sure is more of an assembly than a proper cut”

But this is one of those movies where I would watch kind of any footage they had I'd watch them all hanging And I would watch an entire movie set at a diner But I would say this is a well-paced movie. There's not need to be long. It is. Yeah, but I'd be curious I mean, and that's the difference between him and Kasabadi's where there's like

The famous story of him screening husbands and a killing and being like the audience is enjoying it too much

We're adding an hour into it like Kasabadi's was like if the audience is enjoying it too purely I've done something wrong and it doesn't feel like this movie is taking easy outs But you can tell that's where say these like I'm not trying to punish people As mentioned earlier David says can once be this is an ambient craft vehicle supposedly at one point Diana Ross was attached well, well, well, which is crazy. I'm obviously she was like while only do it if David nibba does that

I doubt and obviously Walter used to plays my song John Walter used to write a dive by the fall. That used to play the shaft He's like He's out Yeah, surely McLean into thousand five said she turned it down because she didn't know who scores says he was JJ ads in parentheses

That doesn't make this has to be a false memory Like no way that's true, but she said in other places that the script was hard for a set I don't think she would have been offered the square sazy version, but the script obviously had been around We'll be picking around the studio like presumably every actress in that case. She's one of the friends People you would have for anything, too

Ellen verse and says the biggest regret she has is she didn't take a producer credit Which she should have because she was like I was the shepherd of the film. I should have been a second a producer I didn't ask yes, I demirred. Oh, I don't need credit. I'm the star If I be an executive producer, I would have gotten points. I am fucking sick with that Alice money Like because I do feel like usually it'd be like, oh well, it's a credit who cares and now

This is the one scenario where like you're telling me this small domestic drama turned into a regular paycheck Yes, I mean, she made she did make one of the coolest deals of all time eventually for exorcism The last exorcism remember this? It's like they created an acting school or something they created a scholarship that runs

indefinitely right. They kept offering her money like if you million dollars. Okay, you're gonna be at a movie five day

I don't give a shit and they're like 10 million dollars 20 pot five percent of the gross and she was just like you're the actual terms Scholarship for acting school every year granted full ride in perpetuity and made them like make a commitment to doing that Yeah, which rules of course. The only downside is she's in the movie for like two minutes being like I

“Two was once and extra says ah, I think it's where I scourged out”

You're like what the kids get that acting scholarship don't need to know that Well, they make them watch the movie and of course They were like we have to have you in the movie. Why so we can go to rise out two minutes in that's definitely a recent thing No, right it sounded like that no that movie fuck clean to be grief. That movie felt Nobody touched it. The famously bleak thing about that movie is they make the big right steel like in summer 2020

And they were like we don't have a script yet But can we really wait and take the chance of Ellen Burst in dying Exactly, so they wrote a couple scenes just to be able to shoot with her in 2020 Then didn't finish the script until a year later Then when they shot the rest of the movie they were like huh the stuff we shot with Burst and doesn't really fit

So then they reshot and they were like what if you don't have eyes? What if I gouged out We just kind of have something shocking happened. Yes halfway in the movie she did not attend the Oscars as we mentioned She was busy starring in same time next year on Broadway with Charles Gurdon Oh, which is what she was trying to talk for and then we'll get an Oscar nomination She thought got more got leave

Sounds like your guy I'm not gonna look up for that is thought she should fly back to Los Angeles to take you know to you know go to the Oscars

I don't want no offense to understudies, but like people are paying to see me in Charles like Been a lot in the 70s. People just didn't go to the Oscars and they went like I didn't realize it was a big deal

Yeah, and now like when Sean doesn't go it feels like size Sean Penn is the first acting winner to not go since Paul Newman

One in the 80s So we're not actually We're not counting Anthony Hopkins Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were giving him because he was it was asleep in Wales But let's living Oscar when our non Anthony Hopkins

Isn't that yeah, that is funny. Yeah, like it becomes such a thing. Oh best actor. Oh Anthony Hopkins and the father Yeah, do you're watching fetus impression while doing my thing. Yeah, Joker himself off of the moment and being like I really want to be the weirdest guy in the world is like this feels awkward Even I get a sense of this is awkward [Music]

It's just this fifth film what has had just unpack Garrett and Billy the kid when she's phenomenal

“Which is such a cool movie. Yeah, have you ever seen that one man? I haven't I think I know it has a bit of a vibe”

You might but still a little in connection. It's Dylan's really killing rock Yeah, the music is so cool You know he's also in Dennis Hopper's insanely normal the last movie

Yes, first up here, right which was that titles a threat Dennis Hopper was like I'm trying to end movies forever

Movie rule That movie is very cool. That's another one. I like I assume you have you been enjoying the recent Catherine La Nasa from the pit press I interviewed her last year and she does just like she will drop it to this hopper just like it It doesn't have to get into it, but just like you know everyone just needs to know that lady

Which was like 19 I fucking love her thing is she was saying like you know he was the great love of my life And so he continues to haunt me obviously we got divorced and then he married someone else after me But when he was dying they were in the process of getting divorced So I was the last person he was married to where it ended on good terms and I'm like and full ghost comes to my house

“You've also got divorced. What are you fucking a family patch it up?”

After like, and now she's a married to what's the name for Melrose place. Oh my god hang on. Okay Love Grant show they but they're married Remember when he was on the threesome show all sorts of swingers swingers Twink down. It was called. Twink down. How and I was when there's CBS there's like can we do a show about Swingers on CBS and it's like, well, I'm really new to the insects and you're showing them like no

What can you have drugs in your show like not really? It's like, well, why are you making that? It's gonna be so risky in episode six someone mentions that they saw a butt That's not the 2000s were like they were so jealous of HBO They like we want one of those Yeah

Dennis Harris the job where they were like he's gonna say shit one time every other app will will will give TB guy to advanced warning That this is one of the episodes. He says shit off Quietly as he exits a room. Yeah, exactly

He was also in a film called a star in a film called Cisco Pike, which I've never seen but oh sure

It's like Jean Hackman. Yeah, Karen black Chris service and Harry Dens Dean Stanton and the Warhol superstar Viva. I mean like how bad could that be that sounds fun. That'll be a little formless I was gonna say that movie was called quiet calm conversation so I'm just set Everyone's easy to deal with Just agreements the motion picture and then he's in something called bloom in love

Paul Mizzersky movie have never seen a starring George Seagull where I assume he's got like I feel like he was often kind of the Energy bearded guy. Yeah, right, you know, he's coming in off the bench I was talking to you some sort of hot cool energy Viva is Gabby Hoffman's mother. Oh, there you go. Yes

“I was trying to remember who it was, but yes, sorry going”

So Scorsese is like meeting him in basically being like, I love Peck Garrett and Chris softens like everyone fucking You know, they had a great relationship after some early, you know, nervousness or whatever

Take he'd cringe and be like, oh, man, that was dog shit like he just had no

“Like, you know confidence in his own ability, and I bet you that person is Scorsese, you're both kind of like, I don't know man”

Pretty hot, I'm so annoyed by that being like dude get on my level. Oh, she loves it She says he was wonderful like, you know, we would be really connected He was a new voice in America like I mean How many of not have a crush on this guy? You know Marty? No, the Chris Yeah, yes Marty, I feel like you're a little more like oh Marty is so great. Yeah

Scorsese is just one of the most I feel like in arguably a hot He's just crazy Yeah, Alfred Lutter who plays a little Tommy they do the softery under kids. Oh goodness and Sandy wine trove the you know says hey Marty you got to see this guy. She's he sees this kid And they say what do you want to be when you grow up and he says I stand up comic

Martin loves out and exactly they're there and he's like let's get him in the room with Allen and they're like hey just you know Improver whatever and They start just kind of like bouncing off each other and they're he's really great

“Do we have any idea how much of their scenes together are improv? I think a lot. I think a lot of their kind of rat attack”

Yeah, you know, they're back and forth so perfect. Yes, and you kind of can't script that stuff And it's just the way she's kind of like what you know Like half the time like that way you are as a parent where you're like I'm picking up I think I'm picking up We're reading them before. Yeah, this is like the huge thing for me in this and both the times I've washed it again having in almost ten year old is like when you like love this kid and you had to put up with him

But like if he tells you that story one more fucking time you're gonna jump out the window That he's trying to tell her which is a crying asking him to stop He reminds me a lot of myself in that way when when you tell me about these things Yes, I mean, they're like the dynamic of your kid who you love and is the thing you'll do anything for me Like you're so annoying. I cannot listen to you for another moment

I think she is meaner to her kid David. You can tell me what you think then I would be too much older

I would never have a breaking point in the town out of the car and make them walk

Is the final mile to get home? I would think yeah, no there are but there are some relatable moments But there's some I would say there's some 70s Like, oh, you'd get a phone call about these things. I mean, it's a movie that builds to spanking It is a movie Oh, we'll talk about the hitting kids part of it. So or like Jodie Foster's you've an odd link when see and

Jodie Foster's It's unbelievable. Well, I assume we'll get to her in the dossier. I am about to tell you that Jodie Foster shot all her stuff two days. Wow Real proud what a person was like doing another commercial first she came in bang bang bang two days She knew all her stuff Two days two bottles of wine that was all and

This is a scorsese and there's this damn situation with the welfare workers where women came over to me and said stop And I was like what do you mean stop? And they were like stop. She has to go to school. I was like, oh, okay Jodie Foster. She's the grand tradition Judy Carter Jodie Carter. We're 20 hours a day. Uh, you know, they've got a lot of like actor studios people kind of peppered in the background Here a lot of Ellen burst and babes, you know, or filling in the cast where we're gonna say kidding

Oh, I just wear jet where Jodie Foster was and I got to know Wikipedia patients like doing Disney stuff But this is just before anything where she's a star obviously. This is how Marty knows her for

“Texas driver changes her. He makes her but she's really only done a couple movies, right?”

She's and but but she's like a TV star, right? Like she's she did the paper from TV show. We love it Did no that existed played at a prey on that am I wrong in thinking that she Even replaced Ted Moniel and some later version of bad news bears or am I conflating the two things? I know she was the voice of one of Charlie Chan's children on the Hanabra bear Charlie Chan cartoon Which I'm looking up here has aged perfectly. I was about to say sounds like something you'd want to be pushing out

Something that you would know and no one else but correct. Um, this is a perfect junk in my brain forever You're conflating Jodie Foster was supposed to be the star of bad news. I turned it down to do a little movie called Taxi there we go. Yes, but now she'd done some Disney movies. She done a lot of like TV stuff and freaking Friday is much later That's all later like I think right like it's like that's That's the same year

That's not What can I tell you now all and bugs email owners also the same year wow all three of those are 70 sick Wow But you know she'd done the the Tom Sawyer movie

She's basically like sort of the second lead of that that's before whatever, you know, she's a

Punky little kid Little Tom boy. That's her thing perfection of her as a queer icon in this movie like just from the jump of her being like yeah This is it's funny This one had to come out of the Golden Globes 40 years later. So funny that it's like this overt in this movie and then it's just like quietly

Lego Donnie Yeah, sure who was the female lead in shadows the cast of Eddie's movie. Oh, yeah, Layla. Layla local Donnie. Yeah, yeah, but is a movie about White passing African America. I mean if you've ever seen that iconic shadows poster. That's her face

She is incredible in that film. Yes. She was a fully Caucasian woman the success of that movie critically

“She's Italian. I believe yes a damaged her career”

Right because people it's this insane thing where she was a white person playing a white passing black person who then lost roles Because people assume she was black and couldn't play white So it just feels like this was kind of a menchy move for Scorsese to throw her a like and like we said, you know He's he's a devotee of cast of Eddies Well, she's about two scenes like in the very beginning where they're doing like the dress fitting and then the yard sale

She's the one who's with her when she gets the phone call her husband You know like that relationship between the two of them is so perfect and real and you just so much about them So soon she gets that phone call and then they say goodbye at the car and like the little boys are rolling their eyes at them And they're so emotional. It's just wonderful. You got a bathroom You get that. Oh my god. Oh my god. The best. I love this man

Alice Fever

“Thank you for this picture right. Thanks. I think they did”

Yeah, the bath does love this movie this movie traveled well. I did. I'm sorry and let also what the Oscars did Yeah, yeah, I just I believe so. Let me double check that but I can tell one screenplay picture actress And then it got yes. It got double noms. Dianne lad one the bathtub. Oh my god And this is you know the path just treated this like a 75 because it might be Europe 附近 the 1976 baptas, so it's beating it won it'd be Barry Lyndon dog day after you knew him jaws

Which I might have some notes on that as much as I like this movie And she went best actress and and Diane land one best sporting actress and one best screenplay Yeah, they fucking went nuts for it. I can only imagine the British viewing audience being like What's this movie about like an Arizona diner waitress is better than Barry Lyndon? Are we sure? Jenna Rowland's one the golden globe

Against her pretty good in that that their movie. I think it's maybe the best performance ever committed to film

“First and didn't win any of the critics awards so I think it must have been seen as a slight surprise”

Especially considering the bath does come so much later

because I think basically near film critics and be are

They all gave it to Jenna Rowland sure Yes, have call man. It's tickle. Who am I giving it to? I guess we'll find out. Oh, oh, yeah, that's right. You go in Anybody damn it Alfred butter did gave it to one Jenna Rowland's for a woman under the influence my other nominee since he's basic for bad Wait, why don't we have faith done away for China. Tell me here. I don't know this is crazy person

Ellen Burston a Brigitte Mira for all you periods the song oh sure Anyway the movie else doesn't live here anymore is about a Lady named Alice Hyatt who lives in New Mexico and has a kid whose name is Tommy that's right. I want it to be a singer damn it. She is a singer is this uh she's a former singer

And now she's married to a guy called Donald who is a Coca-Cola delivery truck driver played by Billy Green Bush this guy sucks real piece of work But who sucks in just kind of like a boring shitty way. Yeah, it's not even like a True kind of like page training melodrama kind of like he's the nasty as husband if she casts it's just like what she's just stuck with this loser or not even like Harvey Kytel is compellingly awful. Oh my god. Yeah, and it's Kytel too

So you're kind of like who's that knock at my door and mean streets? Kytel is Scorsese's analog it is and in a way where past those two movies I would say Scorsese does not have self-insert characters You feel him as the character watching the movie and making the movie But there doesn't feel like there's someone who represents him the second he stops having those characters

He's like Harvey. Here's the deal. I'll still put you in my movies. You only play the most Contemptable people in the world. You play real shit. I held pedophile judist you just let girls you Hey, it's a complex portrayal of you. Okay. Yes, the name is name is a bit of a scarlet letter or whatever But it's funny that in this one you're like, oh, maybe he plays like a sweet guy if they're a little random Like you're like he's good. Look in like this guy. You'll see what he does

So yeah, I mean Ben what do you when what did you think of this movie? I haven't I haven't even gotten your take care

Because I feel like it's kind of a bad movie. I have never seen no sure. No. I just mean like the vibe is sort of been appropriate

Love it. Yeah, it's really good. It's it um it really reminded me of my mom in our dynamic

100% but she uh my mom was

So funny and silly, but slightly eloof like she was always a little unknowable

So I just yeah, I really saw a lot of her in this character. Hey Ben the actor Alfred Lutter who plays Tommy New Jersey legend he's from bridgewood he graduated from bridgewood high school Then he got a bachelor of science and civil engineering from Stanford Well, that's not. You're sure is he but sure. I was so brave. But we could go for him. Yeah, no master science degree

He founded Lutter consulting a company providing technology strategy and he later started a website called linda.com. What is linda.com?

“That's what we did. Oh, but now linda.com became”

Linden learning. Oh, so I sort of like uh online. It was a learning site that linked in bot. Wow. He was like an early tech guy. Yeah The original tech man. The original tech man. They call him. Yeah. Well, I love the this movie Reminding you of your mom Ben as think is another thing that feels so important about it to me that it's about like the relationship between a parent and a child and a way that I just don't think that many movies do it where it's like

It's a relationship. There's a push and a pull. It's not about a mother's love. It's not about like a kid looking after their parents It's like actually complicated and I can't get over how like real that feels and how rare it is Maybe you guys have better examples than I do. No, I'm thinking as the kind of points of this Craner versus Craner, which is not a movie I love where but it's very watchable. It's a bad film but it's not a movie I deeply care for and a lot of people credit Hoffman's Oscar win for how good he is with the kid

But that feels a little more like an actor showing off how good his chemistry can be with a kid

“And that movie also sets him up to be like you'll never believe how surprisingly good this guy”

like it's like big daddy without the jokes of like he really gets it together. Yeah, I it doesn't feel like a very accurate portrayal yeah, and it it's so reductive and sort of the way it treats the metal-strip characters It's like so fought through it and being like can he step up to it like the first movie he makes good breakfast

What incredible down? Yeah, like in the very beginning of this movie the husband's being in jerk about something or another

And she goes over to the sun and she's basically like, hey, look help me out here You got to get we got to get around this guy like they are co-conspirators getting through this and that is so often What especially is your kids get older and you could be like look give me a break here I'm trying my best you're trying your best like it's almost like she's letting him kind of see like She's just a person who's trying to figure this out and again just making some choices

I wouldn't make but I love that it makes it they're not equals, but it makes it a real back and forth Which parent child things don't do often well let's call out the inciting incident This movie with this hard to get kids acting on screen like this. Yeah, yeah Her piece of shit has been dies. They get in a bad bite. Yes, he hits her

It does not seem like this is the first or only time

And then it's a day later he dies in a meaningless Coca-Cola truck accident You're right, you're right, and they need a pep in there It was a costly death Yeah, did you just imagine like little Marty like staging that accidentally the tablofe of like the people hanging out of the car I just think there's some blood on the street. It's perfect

Well, you also imagine him being friends with Spielberg and being jealous of like dual And being like I have one shot to show the aftermath of dual, you know They're not letting me stage action sequences yet. No, um, but she's grieving a bad relationship Yeah, she's experiencing real grief for this and her son is as well and she tries to take this as an opportunity to Uperate her life something she's clearly dreamed of doing but not felt the courage to do

It felt too radical to blow up her life in order to do that by now her life has been blown up for her And so so much of the weird tension between her and her son is that her son is like Leaving the loss of a father who he's starting to realize like maybe suck. Yeah, yeah And the kid is just getting into the age where you start thinking of your parents as people too Like he was already feeling that yeah, like he's at the perfect face to see her as a person and to look back at his dad

It's not just like a hero right. He was putting salt in the coffee, which does feel let's call it out Very bad. It feels a little bit moved definitely. Yeah, but I was wondering if like something where she's saying like if you keep your mouth open one more time I'm gonna throw you out. He just like opens his mouth as wide as he can. Is that a little bit moved? Yes Definitely like I'll show you the final dark around You can't slam my mouth shut while you're driving

“So what happened so husband dies. I think it's really well played by her where she's sad because her husband died”

Plays the emotion quite honest, but just you just kind of buy that she pretty quickly is kind of like Snap out of a tree or whatever like that she's just like let's just go like There's nothing fucking there's no reason for us to be here like well, it's the past tense present tense thing of like

Right, so why then just decide like I am a singer. I sing

“There's nothing keeping me here. Why not read”

Construct my life around this dream and fairly quickly that scene of her singing of the piano at home Where like it's the lingers on her singing for a while and you get the kid outside and he's kind of like Reframing how he thinks of her like it's an interesting venture into his perspective about her talent Which you don't get that much of and it's I mean, it's just like really well done. That's one of the early moments Really like who here's here's Marty passing it out figuring out what he can do with the camera and the laylocal dawning character reads as her one person

Support system. Yeah, just like this is kind of scary for her to go out. There are no you know She there's the notion of the family home of going back to where she came from But it doesn't feel like there's a solid base of support from her family extended

We know who's in Monterey. She talks about it all the time, but like who are they going not really? Yeah, yeah, I mean you also have no sense that the kids

Life, but he's a kid. I guess Let me make those kids go really. Well, definitely could be like I have friends at school We're fucking him so she gets them to Phoenix, right? Like that's where she gets them to where she starts singing I mean this as she finds work as a lounge singer like in the narrative window I would barely call what she singing and lounges

Yeah, it's like there's like a microphone over there if you really want to go over the grimyness of these bars that she's going to like bars The 70s just for not they didn't seem like fun places to hang out. I had my antenna up the whole time I'm like geez is someone going to be like a mega creeper whatever and instead they're all just kind of like oh Like you know, there's the Yeah, yeah, but no one's ever like oh, yeah, you can have this gig if you come with me over here

There's no client, but this was kind of a style of a bar of a very I was like kind of don't bug anyone like Sing something that'll be nice in the background, but like yeah, like a little value add on beyond Yeah, but like bars, there's no windows like I remember them being some around when I was a kid like after this

But like you would never like women wouldn't go to these bars much like you wouldn't bring your kids in any of these places

But let's also just call out the like the velvet opening titles then this like which is a shock red sound stage Completely as you said very like beginning of whits over the walls It felt like the one big ideas Marty has right right he's like I want to do this I know I don't have a lot of money, but like I wanted this one thing right this this little girl like practicing this him over and over again It literally says like Monterey California Alice a young girl. Yeah, yeah, and then it's just sort of like her loneliness

You only see her parents in like silhouette basic and they're like yelling at her. Yeah You get a sense of why this person didn't have the courage to follow their dreams and have settled in their life

“That's what this movie brought and she's singing a song about caring and no one cares about for I mean, he was a good kiss or guys”

Oh, the husband give it up for Donald. I think that's his name Donald I love when she tells a kid like asked me again in a few years and I'll explain it to you Like what are you gonna say to him when he's 14. Yeah, that's not a good conversation That's that's really just pushing things off. Well, I think she'll say to slightly open your mouth Uh-huh instead of like yes, you know try it. You're going really while you're you're about to eat someone's skull with that kind of

Petmouth right now This film was shot in two some of the hours and where it's up Why is it set near the line why not okay? Well, it's not really good answer. Don't really know I mean Marty says it was movie town. You could do anything want there. It's great time to shoot in I just think but Spielberg like having kind of that like Southern U.S. part of things to himself

I mean it being like let me out in your place back then you know Arizona in you know after the war is but you know 67 is this sort of like there's a ton of space. It's cheap as hell and it's growing and like it's not even really Begonne to explode in the way that the Southwest would but like it makes sense for somewhere someone's gonna go where it's like well You know, there'll be something for me to do over there. Yeah, you know like it's like

“It's a weird place. I think so I mean like honestly like the Southwest obviously has its own character to it now”

But yeah back then I bet you was pretty weird. Yeah, I don't know a single thing about Tucson except for this one this movie Yeah, I think I don't know much about Tucson either. It's not far from Phoenix. I think of it as the kind of crunchier more liberal Cousin to Phoenix is a big town. You know, I don't know the dirty line is my favorite single line of writing in this movie Which is weird very weird. He's even weird for Tucson and Tucson is the weird capital of the world right? I mean, it's the it's the college

You know, it's where the universe here is on it. So it's got the you know the you know from college town Yeah, I live all the town University right around the corner. Well, you live in like an old school house, right? You like accidentally I don't just live with a 10-year-old in the 7-year-old with like 20-20-year-old or I guess more of a neighbor's house Maybe yeah

I'm worrying with the fat boys. Yes, or so yeah, they went a week over Production you know when we cover schedule when a little over budget, you know, it's Marty just getting ready for his real

Sure, it was a gas crisis, which was an issue It's a deal with after saying I was going to say this was also You know, Mean Street's was basically an independent film that became a negative pickup for Warner Brothers

“This is him like making a film for Warner Brothers. I think that must have also been”

Peeling to him. You know, it's a lot easier to sell them David Strong as a shirt. I'm wearing this 7-use logo It's a lot easier to sell them on something like taxi driver that seems really risky at Columbia when it's like you made a studio film You were responsible enough the amount you went over budget was more than covered by the success And you want someone an Oscar I think he had final pet on this probably not right. Yeah

Well, you never know in the 7-use. I guess I don't think the carrot is much

I don't know if you tested well. They were yeah, my guess is well anyway, and not like look on page 15 We need Alice already at the diner like they're not coming in with those dumb numbers I will and yet this was turned into a sick-off New Hollywood and then they watch and they're like Okay, but actually diner page one every Tuesday night

Why did they end up in Tucson? Well, there was literally a gas crisis and they could not make it to Tucson Basically, it has nothing to do with the picture as everything's due with production is what Martins. Wow, okay There you go. Everything nothing was shot in LA except the opening sequence was on a lot obviously need the red Prologue he basically says I had a chance to use a Hollywood set How else are you gonna do a flashback? How do you want to do a flashback? That's the whole point

God damn script opened and said flashback 1948 moderately California and he was just adamant You know, they're like what if you do like black and white like that that would make more sense And he's just like the characters hung up on movies

“I feel like she would remember in this kind of half fantasy way”

It should look like a 40s movie It should look kind of indoors He admits I got a little crazy with the redness It's very I had fun with the fog. It feels like Marty being like I love old movies Yeah, I have stuff access just for a day or two yeah, yeah, yeah, well, they're just in terms of how long I get this

Has he ever been on a soundstage before doing that like really not a problem it says it's a square screen

It's 130 Academy ratio. You know the first scene is tobacco road. It's copied exactly obviously wizard of Oz

Dualing the sun for the redness of the redness of the sky little least to eat and a little gone with the win. You know, he's got a lot of it was like William Cameron men's he's invaders from Mars. It's like it was like one fifth of the budget it costs 85,000 dollars Which was okay, so yeah, and he's like my first feature who's then knocking costs 35,000 dollars for the whole move Easy so yeah, it's like him for the first time getting to you know play in Hollywood yeah, and Warner Brothers watches the movie and their one thing is like can we fucking cut that weird crazy opening with all the red and

Marty's like take my name off the picture like I'm going crazy, you know, like I'm sure they were just like oh Jesus Who cares Verse and ran into Peter breakdown of it and says I'm doing Alice with this guy Martin Scorsese and he said tell him not to move his camera so much And Ellen says I did not relay that to Marty. He moves it quite a bit. It's funny house to move that camera This feels like his most kinetic camera work until good fill list

The movie and sequences has the coke energy in the way the camera moves into the conversation Yeah, one idea. He wanted as many women in authority on the picture as possible Sandy wine tribe is the producer Toby Raffleson art director Marshal Lucas is the editor He wanted to be as honest as possible. He wasn't trying to make up feminist track But he wants this moving you know about women to be

In front of women and being like We wanted to find out what women are like. No, you don't know. Yeah, and crossed marshes judgment implicitly and he says like hey You know, I know it's being glass guy. I was Lighted by the return of Marshall Lucas as a character for this podcast, I don't know how long it's been since you guys have gotten

I mean he only edits what his first three or four like it's a taxi is taxi driver the last time

I think for him because tell me reappears and then she goes on to start with New York and New York is her last. Oh, okay Which was famously easy movie to edit settled and make yes, yes everything about it the first cut. Okay This is your thing the assembly was three hours and 16 minutes Tonic character suckets thrown out uh, you know like the husband. There's a lot more of him

“You know, I mean wisely they produce him to about 10 minutes. It's like you have to get in the car”

You don't need anything from him to find out what his deal is that's the differences You know cast of eddies was like I want to make movies primarily out of the scenes that anyone else would cut out of a film The scenes that are not the interesting part of the exciting part, but I want to show where the drama is in that and it Makes sense that Marty would want to shoot all of those things and then ultimately wittle it down to

Keep the most exciting moments and the major plot points. It helps that he dies within 15 minutes Relax, yeah, now I want to talk about I want to give you some news on the like some research on the ending But let's talk about the movie first to get to the ending because it's an iconic ending obviously But she had husband dies. She goes to She goes to Phoenix. She starts being a lounge singer and she meets

“My handsome fellow. Perfect. Oh, true. She calls him a baby. What are you trying to kind of a baby face?”

Honey, that's kind of the moppy haircut like it makes him look younger. She's so adamant that he looks like he's under age and I'm like Harvey I tell was more and looking like a Vietnam day. He doesn't look like under age I mean, he's not a baby face. Yeah, Harvey kind of help And it's that thing where you see actors when they're young now. So you're like, oh my god, they look so young

Yes, like to Neuro looks more like a baby at this point than Kaitel. No, I think Kaitel's just always had old man

Featured. Yes, even when he was young and and his skin was smooth. But she shouldn't have trusted him. She her efforts instinct was correct. Yes. Her first instinct is correct. He is well, he's married guy who's having an affair. I mean, it's actually not that complicated. He's also violent. Yeah, no, he's a jerk. He's like, he's big secret is just like, oh, I am cheating on my wife with you.

He is sort of, he's dark. He's even. It's justified because he says his wife is crazy. For example, she shows up asking why I'm sleeping with another woman. How dare she? She's angry. I fuck other people. There's a lunatic. This calls for a switch blade breaking some glass or the door and then the entire dresser. Yeah, it is funny that like Scorsese is now doing the break of you're no longer my leading man and yet in this performance, he kind of gives everyone

the like show reel to be like, hey, and here's how you use Harvey Kaitel. He does. And then they do. They wonder if Kaitel resents it in a way of kind of like the way Marty shifted me to the supporting character, the villainous character that just became my type. Like, because even when it's still down the time, he's a villainous lead. Well, you know, is there a story if you've

“done talking to every yet of like why it's not Kaitel, why it's De Niro and the lead?”

Never even considered and beyond that, that was a De Niro part. Yeah. Beyond that sport was written to be

black and very wisely the studio was like, if the pimps black, the end of this room down the movie's a little charge. Right. So yeah, no, it was always De Niro, because he was obsessed with De Niro. I mean, I think I think it truly was like, he fell in love with him on mean streets and was like, this guy is the key as does everybody who watches mean streets. Yeah. De Niro is unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He peed good. He peed good. He peed good. He peed good. He peed good. He peed good. Which is

different than peed good. The award they gave the exercises. He was right. So good. I love it. At the end of that Kaitel scene in the motel, we're like, they get out of there and the camera just stays for a little bit and just see all of the wreckage. It may be think about, I haven't rewatched raging bowl in a while, but like that big, like domestic fight there and like in that movie, like you're with the guy. And this is like the woman's point of view of this like,

dumb bullshit. These men are obviously arranging bowl. That stuff is very powerful and it's very accurate. But like this stuff gets me even more, where she's just trying to keep it together for the kids after all that happens. This is so in person super power. Her fastball is like has anyone better a quiet suffering than her? She has this fascinating balance of feeling really steely and strong and the kind of person who could say tri-silence, break you for decades.

And also at all times you're like, is she on the verge of breaking down in tears? I just wish you had recorded her sing tri-silence so that I could then play it on the podcast when I need you to be tri-silence. You got the big original audio from it. You could just play tri-silence to wrap up the show. As she's just, I feel like that's kind of where she wins the Oscar more than anything, right? It's just how well she plays this sort of. And just like the betrayal of like, I fucking

you know, let someone in like, I mean this like the fragile situation, she seemed nice, you know, and then here I am again like in front of my kid like getting humiliated like this and like being scary, you know. But felt irresponsible to her was that she was starring in a fair with a man who was so much younger. Like she was like, this is silly and maybe not like

“wise of me. What she realizes is I felt for the same type of guy again, which I think really”

devastates her. Well, and it's so episodic. Like you could make a version of this movie where she gets in the road and lands at the diner and the movie's about the diner. But you need this sense of like, oh, no, like something in me is making these choices again. Yeah, I mean, you need her to sort of abandon her dream again. She's just starting to be like, well, maybe I could take it and it's like, no, I need to get the fuck out of here. I need to just take a job as a waitress. I need to just

keep my head above water for the kid. It's also so big though that it's not the movie's not Nashville.

It's not I always want to be a country music star. And now I'm going to pursue my dream. It is

I'm missing. Right. I like that for a living. Right. Like once upon a time, I like that. I'm also

the moment right before she met her husband. Yeah, it really is like she's like, I want to start right from where I left the last sort of free version of myself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Can we also shut up before we move on to the diner? I love the bar order. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And that hires her. Yeah. Yes. Yes. She just got some great funny moments. He has this one part. I wrote down where she asks what's a song. He likes and he just starts saying lyrics to her. And she's like, I don't know

this song. He's like, well, I just, I mean, I can really play this. I really like it. This is a movie made up of characters that feel like they could be sitcom archetypes and yet all of them are played like real people. Right. It's like cast of Eddie's sitcom. Right. Yes. I mean, and then the sitcom. I

never really watched Alice. I've maybe seen it on TV once. But like, I assume it's more sitcoms

“sitcom. The criteria in disc has all nine seasons on it, right? I'm going to find out. You have to”

play it backwards. Yeah, at least have the pilot. Yeah. Throw it on there. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, the wind's the water fight scene. I love the water fight scene. That's a classic like mother song thing where it's like we're having fun. We've kind of, we've been, it's kind of controlled. Yeah. Because boys are too excitable. I think it's after that. Is it, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, it doesn't look like you can mess with your kid in a way. Like, not, she's not hurting him,

but like they're both taking it too far. Because you kind of like get on your kid's level and do things like that. You are a parent of a, of two sons. Sure. Katie Rich. I am also a parent of two sons, but two are different in a different part of life. You are a parent of sons closer to this, this age range. And like you, I feel like can speak more to, right? Like, what that is like, and what, what, maybe when, when can you say, what I might be in for, but like, like, to, to what

it's, this feels like an underrated mother son movie, underrated only in that it's not discussed all the time. Like it was rated well at the time. But like, it does feel like it kind of name males that specific dynamic. You don't see like, that's a, a less discussed dynamic in movies

“from mother son. Like, I remember, again, talking about like Charlie is a baby who was on this podcast.”

I remember having this baby in being like, why are they not movies, but like, the relationship between a parent and a baby. Because this is the most fascinating relationship I've ever had in my entire life. Sure. There's a reason for that. Like, I now am aware that they, it's better if they can talk. But there's just, like, nailed it. There's no reason to make any other commentary on them. What to go? It is just a specific thing of like, I made this person. I am responsible for this person.

And, but like, they made, they turn you into a kid again in some weird way. They make you think about things. Like, they say the weirdest stuff. And you kind of just have to roll with it. They tell terrible jokes in that way. And like, the two of them against the world. Like, and David, you may have this feeling if you're just like, even without your wife, you're just with your kids. And you're like, all right. It's just us. We got to figure this out. Like, you're, we're

out about, we got to get through the subway or down the street. And this is such a heightened version of that where it's like, I got you under my arm. And we're going to make our way through the world. And it's really moving the way that it gets into the weirdness of it. But also has that kind of

bedrock where we're in this together part of it. I want to say a couple things. First of all,

“Lane Bradbury is the actress who plays Rita, who's kind of tells wife who I think is incredible.”

It is so good. And one extended scene. Yeah. It's just a smart decision to not have it be the like, she comes storming in, who's the harpy, who's sleeping with my wife. So sad. It's so sad and she's so empathetic. And she's like, I'm trying to warn you. I'm trying to save you even more than I'm mad at him. And I'm trying to catch him. Yeah. She also has a son. Yes, who has some kind of health issue. Yes. And he's clearly just doesn't want to deal with the extra difficulty of that burden,

well, not responsibility. And Ellen Burston that scene where she is immediately just like, oh, yeah, okay. We have to have this conversation. She's not trying to get out of it. She's not trying to make any excuses. She takes responsibility instantly. The water fight scene is basically right after

her first day at the diner. I think, and it's, it you feel that it's her trying so hard to make her

son's life fun again, because there's been so much upheaval. And then it just comes that point where she's just kind of like, okay. All right. I need to be a parent. It's like, you got to sit down at the diner and be bored. I don't care if you're bored. Yeah. Feeling of like, not just I want to console him emotionally, but just like, this is all been so dramatic that you can't even pretend it's normal. So what if instead, I act like a little kid for like one night. I get to his level a little bit more.

And at least it's just kind of fun, just because people have probably been yelling at the podcast. I didn't make this connection. Basically, the only other movie that Alfred Lutter was in is Bad News Bears. Oh, sure. Where he plays the brainy nerd in that and the first sequel. Okay, look at it. Yeah. You know, it's great. The bad news bears. Yeah, we do no else saying bad news bears as a term. They spawn. Oh, there we go. Yes, so baseball the credit. I, I can't get the bad.

I do like, I don't remember if this comes before after the water, but there's like hit the kid in the hotel room alone where he's like sitting to and just from the television and watching some old movie. I don't, I didn't recognize it. I don't know if you guys did it. Good question. But that

except this kid doesn't have asthma, so he can go out and flirt with your father. Yes, I feel like

he's watching though something where it has a singer that's kind of in the tradition of what his mom

“is. It's a very great movie called Coney Island and right, and who's all Betty Grable movies?”

That's the kind of music. Of course, as he was thinking of when she's like, I wish I was a singer. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. But yes, she gets a male's diner and we establish what will be one of the greatest ensemble's in sitcom history. And it is immediately like, oh yeah, I want to hang out here. I'm like, it's so fun. She's so great. It is money in the goddamn bank. I swear to God, like, because like she got the Oscar on for this and he watched the movie and you're like,

like, she doesn't have a huge role. Like, funny that she snuck in, but then you just think about her and you're like, she's just so great every second she's on. It's great. And she had a morning kid. The authenticity of the character just so perfectly. And sort of like a star is born performance. Yeah. Just like, I just love watching this person 100%. And I like that they don't get along. Yeah. She's pretty tough with her at first. Yeah. Yeah. Making comments about her body

in front of everyone. But then they have that scene where she freaks out when the short order cook or whatever, askers wears Vera and her line is she went to the hogs later. And the like explosion of the what is it the ketchup over her apron. Right. The great Valerie Curtin is Vera, the sort of the quieter. She's so funny. I mean, the variant of the movie when they're in the bathroom talking and they just keeps coming back to Vera like trying to like handle all the places. She's like

crying. What people are throwing that gets her. It's amazing. Because into Jane Jane Curtin of course.

But the scene where they are finally sort of endeared to each other and Diane Ladd starts giving her the tips. And here's how you get good tips. And then it turns into them like some bathing. Oh, yeah. It goes from this moment of just like reflection and respect to just like actually let's try to get some color. Well, and it's like female friendship again. And it made me think about Scorsese like age of innocence or silence for these other movies where he's like,

what is this world? How can I figure out how this works? And it is kind of him being like, what's it like to be a woman with a friend? And that curiosity drives it and makes it feel so true in the process. Yeah. Yeah. And he hired good people. He surrounded himself with good people. He did. You guys are working a diner? No. Did you ever work in a diner, David? No.

Just like seems like such a cool, you know, like, gig, but like, it's a good thing. I mean,

I mean, it feels more stressful. But like, when I say cool, I don't mean like cool to do, but just like, it's like having like, uh, epilepsy, you know, star was right here. It's a bad time. Like, it's a bad ass than being like a line cook or a fucking diner waiter. Yeah, the scariest people I ever going to meet in your life. I went to my friend Caitlyn's wedding last weekend in humble strength. Thank you. A co-host of his different secret. My, my not secret podcast about baseball

“that you should definitely subscribe to. And we drove through Pennsylvania, the great state. And we”

stopped at a diner in Scranton that had real Alice doesn't live here anymore, vibes where we walked in because we're hungry. And it's like, we're in the rush. You know, we're trying, it's a seven-hour drive. And we walk in, we're like, oh, fuck should we turn around because the vibes were bad. In what way? The one that was kind of just known or I mean, there were customers with there's no waiters around. And then we see one waitress and she has just like the worst, like, scowl on her face.

Yeah, we're just like, oh boy. And we're like, hey, yeah, and she's like, yeah, and we're like, okay, and we like sit down. And then like we are served fantastic food. Like the food rocked, like an exceptional BLT and grilled cheese sandwich, right? They don't need to woo you. They got great food. They do whatever you want. And then I, we realized like, oh, there's some drama happening where the waitress, I think just maybe gotten a fight with another customer and then maybe got chewed

out by a boss. And now she's complaining to somebody else about, you know, how fuck this play, you know what I mean? And then when she gave us her check, we were like, food is really great. And she just like, you know, that actually means a lot to hear it. And we're like, oh my god,

“you made it happen. And that's what it's like, and that's what it's like, and that's what it's like,”

and that's what it's like, and that's what it's like, and that's what it's like, and that's what it's like, and that's what it's like, and that's what it's like, and that's what it's like, and that's what it's like, and that's what it's like, and that's what it's like, and that's what we're like, what's going on with all these people. It's just so intense. Like, there's such a difference around, right? Yeah, no, we started with them, but you go in that wall of house because you see the whole kitchen is right there in front of you,

and you're just, you sit there long and if you can figure out everybody's own. There's no advantage. He's in the wall of the house even more intense causes 24 hours. So you have to be like, you're like a fucking maybe seal in there if you're in like a native, absolutely everything. The wall of the house storm morning thing. Yeah, it's really real, right David? Yeah, the wall of the wall of the house index, where if the wall of the house closed, if some wall of the house

that closes its orange, it's like the national weather service or FEMA, or whatever branch of

fuck out of there. Yeah, they will, they will, yeah, if wall of the house is closed, you better get FEMA in there immediately. That's the thing. Like, they don't even take their notes from the government. The government goes like, oh, fuck that wall of the house. Yeah, because those people are, they have seen absolutely the wall of the house. Come on. Yeah, there's quite a lot of people, but you guys like, we're driving a Florida. Yeah, we have plenty of them. Yeah, there's quite

the David up in your kids. Summer 2020. You kept, he kept slipping and having the other hand. This will happen. They're already in the car, but close to the closest wall of the house at least last to check this and now in town Pennsylvania. Yeah, I can't find it. I went there right here. When I lived here, I remember looking it up at some point because it's so deep. It's so deep. It's like a two hour drive. It's pretty far. I think you might be mad if you drove two hours to awful house.

It's one of those things that's like, I need something that's open now. And when you're a teenager,

“it's somewhere you can go. And that is where the truth is. I mean, it's still there. It's near”

and all. I can never have a waffle house meal. Nothing's eat my expectations. And I can go in with

sky high expectations every time. I like the waffle too. To be clear, obviously the hash browns or whatever one talks about, but I think the wash brown bowl now, or you can get like a hash brown with cheese and an egg on top of it. This isn't coming. It's really good. It's good. I don't know if I need any new fangled additions. Yeah, it's been there probably for 15 years. It's a little different. Oh, yeah. Whipper snappers. Oh, you can't chase these things on me.

Chris Opherson doesn't answer the movie until like an hour and 15 minutes. He does not. If you saw the poster, and we're like, hey, hey, Chris. Hey, it's my name. Hey, he's one of the guys. He's a customer, he's divorced. He's a rancher. He's got a farm. He's a little guitar. He's a little beer. He's got some low-end locks. I want to earn your fingers from him. He does. But he shows up around the same

time that she finally kind of gets her standing within males. I mean, yeah, damn, like Harvey Kai

tell fucks are up so bad that she won't fuck Chris Chris Opherson right away. Like she should be fucking him right away. And Kai says it should be on this side. He's got to learn how to have some

“restraint. Life is tough. Yeah. Life is tough. How far he is, he does spin kids. And she does spin”

man at him as saying you're a kind of guy who hits kids and then watching this now you're like, yeah, don't talk to him. But he doesn't feel shocking to me. I guess she gets so mad at him about it. Like that wasn't a big her kid. I guess this is what it is. I think he wants it. And when he comes back to her, I was waiting for him to be like, oh, and yeah, I shouldn't have hit your kid. And he doesn't do that. He's gonna do that. Yeah. I do that. Yeah. I it's not a sticking point from him. I'm not

pro-spanking kids. I just feel like in the 70s, plenty more kids were getting spanked for I mean, I agree. But then the send the way she was mad at him for it. Like, does he apologize enough for that? For what's taking him back? Been through so much together. And like the last thing that poor kids, yeah, needs is someone laying hands on him exactly. Like he's witnessed violence. He's just been in that, you know, she understands. He's being a jerk and that's

him. He's just got a sign on the left. It's like the foulest mouth. We should also call out that he has been sneaking around with Jodie Foster drinking wine. Oh, yeah. Jodie wine shoplift. Learning about grown-up stuff. Mm-hmm. Being bad. Jodie Foster has a foolproof plan for a shoplifting from that guitar store, though. Oh, that's the class move. Oh, yeah. Creative distraction. Uh-huh.

Someone else grabs the things, shoves it down their pants. Yeah. Been there. Don't that? Are you more the kid? Are you Jodie Foster? Like, of these kids who are you're

“relating to more? Hmm. Interesting. What did she say to the cops and she leaves the police station?”

Like, she's like suck at pigs or something? I think so. It's so good. She's so good. She's pretty cool. She's badass. I was a little bit of the bad influence at times. Okay. But then also sometimes to want to talk about. Yeah. Yeah, that's an exchange. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, what happens? I mean, I mean, what? Yeah. What's the, uh, the spanking happens? Uh, we're pretty close to the resolve of the movie. Yeah. You get a great scene with them in the bathroom or day and last. Like,

did you mad at him? It sounds like you love him and she's crying and they're laughing and it's perfect. Like, you don't want to fall into the same thing again. Yeah. Why would she? And it's

she's jumping at the first trigger. Mm-hmm. But ultimately, the fact that this man is willing

to apologize. That is Chris Christophe. He is Chris Christophe. You're face keeps turning bright red. What's going on on your screen? Mm-hmm. You don't have turning bright red. Yeah. There was something to it. I do have a, uh, reader's digest story about the, uh, type, titan, uh, inclusion, which happened three years ago. Resting piece to all those beautiful people open. And there might, there, I think it was a weird autumn. It's very, yeah. It's very relevant.

Tony Foster says when she exits the police station so long, suckers. Yeah, you go. Very

fast. It's got kind of a road runner energy too. Yeah, I know. Oh, God. I'll turn anywhere. Everyone that fucking thing. I feel, I feel, I feel like the titan in your stuff. Yes. Three years.

“I know he's very well. I just forget whether like I think things lost down there. And I'm like,”

oh, oh, what is it? And they're like, oh, check it out. It's this, uh, kind of mental too, but I threw together. It's got like a PlayStation troll. I'm like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, this was being sent down regularly. And it was like one guy in there alone. No, like 10 rich people. But there would be those cartoons where it was like, you know, five little stick figures in there. And you're just like, what is that? You say, you sound a little like James Cameron. You've

spent a lot of time on television there being like, I knew I wasn't going to work. Mistake for me. I could have told you that things could make the flow. You think of a world where he's like, I knew they blew up, talked them. Would you, uh, stay with a man who spanked your shoulder and without permission? It is something I feel very strongly about. I think it would really upset me. But I mean, I don't live in 1973.

I know. I don't know. I don't know. Definitely been. But yeah, I know, I'm not pro-spanking. No. It made me think about how I don't know if he experienced this two-day, if it's like, other kids are much more annoying to me than my own. Like, I have a much higher threshold for like what I can put up with from my kids. And like you're around like your kids friends. You're just like, I can't do this right now. But yeah, no. I mean, right, hard not to be like judgey or the first

just like, uh, like my tolerance has reached a limit. Like, I cannot listen to your jokes anymore. You don't belong to me. I don't have to do this. So I guess Chris Christoffers and being like, I'll listen to this kid's bad jokes because he gets, do you all guys understand the joke that he's

“trying to tell about the nuts? I do not. I can't figure it out. It's really pissed me off. Honestly,”

even in the movie, I was just a fuck off. It makes no sense. Because he tells that the Chris Christoffers and two who's doing the same thing and being like, hmm, I'm really doing my best here. I mean, I feel like the joke is that, that, you know, the nuts are balls. Yeah. And like,

there's kind of like a dirty joke. You sound like the kid explaining it. And it's never quite

good results. And they, like, the adults keep kind of like interrupting him to give sort of what they think is the punchline. I think, because they wanted to shut up. And so that ruined it only. More, he's, you know, he's a little annoying, but I'm just thinking, you know, you don't want to associate discipline with violence. Would you go live on that ranch, though? He's growing like, alpha, I think, or look. Okay. I don't want to live here. You're a city boy. You don't want to

live on this ranch. Wow. I'm just saying, like, if I wanted to live in the countryside, my guess is I would want a more verdant and to more sure a part of the world. I'm not really a dry heat guy. Not what I grew up with, not really what I'm used to. I think I'd probably use steamer now, sauna. Yeah. Oh, you know, I am. I'm loving it. I know. I know. Yeah. Exactly. But you've got when you go live on that ranch. I love to run a dang horse. Yeah,

you love the horse. Okay. Yeah. But, you know, are you built for Phoenix? Like, what do

you think of Arizona? Like, no, get out there. No. I couldn't do it. Yeah. I've actually never

“been to the desert. What is that? Is that a, is that a goal we could make for you?”

Oh, right. Because I mean, you might be going to like, not that far. You start like two hours out and you're in the desert. And I, as like an east coast, I have the same thing where you get out there, like, got those mountains. They're like a hundred miles away. How was this bus? Right. Now, Griffin, I'm going to, I'm not wondering what I want to speak for you. But I'm also going to assume, like, the Arizona desert may be not your purpose. You're not moving to that ranch,

the coast. What about a visit? I did. I did a couple of coffee. I know. I've been to Arizona. I did a a short film in Albuquerque a couple of years ago. Yeah, I remember. And my body almost retired. You got to have to play in your body. It was like, I'm going to sit this one out. You're going to figure it out all by yourself. Really incompatible. We shot a, we were supposed to shoot a thing. It was like a survivalist post-apocalyptic thing. And I'm

supposed to be someone who's not well suited for that. And even then, we shot a thing at the top of a mountain, very high altitude. And my eyes were just like, oh, by the way, we're not going to open. I couldn't stop crying. And I couldn't keep my eyes open. And we had to shoot around it. And they put me in a car and put the car seat all the way back. And then like poured a bunch of water on a towel. And I just lay there with a wet towel over my eyes for like two hours. We're going to

fill in the sky to really reset a little bit. Oh, little bit. Wow. There was also like a dust storm. I keep you in the northeast. Yeah, I like being here. I would think this course says he honestly would be in the same way. I think he found it. I think he found it. I think he found it. I think he found it. I think he found it. I think he found it. But I think he found it very interesting. It's just an alien landscape. Like, and film-wise, it was exciting for him to have this alien land.

Yeah, he goes back for Killers to the flower moon 40 years later. And I used to be directed from within a plastic bubble. I sort of assume that. Yeah, the ending is very, very, like, great is great cinema. Because it's got this sort of touch of ambiguity to it. It's got this kind of earthy naturalism to it. Oh, the, the variant with them walking down the street. You know, and just hit him coming back, you're not. Now, it's written as more of a straightforward

dry ending. Like, why does she have to end up with a man? Mm-hmm. So, you know, she insists on

rewrites and Warner Bros. is like, we're not fucking doing an unhappy ending. Like, they're like, we had just on scarecrow. Oh, sure. Paul Mazarski, right? No, I'm not enough. I'm sorry. It's like, no, I'm not enough. I'm sorry. It's like, no, I'm like, no, no, no, it's neither. It's, it's,

“it's what I think can't be like that curl rice. Is that who it is? No, come on, I'm so annoyed”

by this, right? Jericho. Jericho. There we go. It only took seven tries. Fucking obviously, Jericho has for a very embarrassing thing for me to say. And he's like, and scarecrow is just happy ending and that made no fucking money. We're not doing an unhappy ending again. And Ellen, for instance, like, I'm not saying unhappy end. I'm just saying, does she need to end up with a man? Like, are you telling me she doesn't end up with a man? Isn't unhappy ending?

Everything can't be perfect at the end. And he's like, what I'm telling you is she doesn't end up with a man. We're not making the move. It's the one time they kind of push back in terms of like, um, sorry. And so they kind of compromise on this, like, she sort of says maybe we'll get back. You know, like, it's a little more ambiguous, right? Like, try. It's a pretty good ending. I can't deny, you know, you get the kiss in the dining, everyone's clapping. And like, you get the

energy of that scene. Even leading up to that when they're in the bathroom. Oh, God. You really

“stand out that I am laughing. Yeah. I think one of the best scenes. Yeah. And like, that's more of”

the emphasis than the one with Chris Overson, almost. So, I mean, that's burst in kind of getting what she wants is that friendship is so important. The way she puts it is Chris improvises. Okay, come on. I'll take you to Monterey. And like, it's not about staying on the ranch or, you know, like, it's more of a free exchange. The man is willing to support the woman in her aspirations. He's making a sacrifice. Exactly. He's sort of releasing me from the bondage of the old way of

thinking, thank God for Chris. He was smart and aware. You know, so she's like, she's pretty happy with how it goes. Chris says he's still acknowledge is like, yeah, it's a little pat that like, she gets the handsome man at the end. But I think we do a good job suggesting like, it's still probably going to be kind of stormy. Like, it's not like, all chow out. It does feel like this scene. I know this vampire hunter. Let's go find it played. It does feel like the the other patrons

applauding and getting roped up in him having to make the big apologetic front of everybody feels like the scene that gives them the codex to be able to make a sitcom. Like, true. It's the one scene where it's like the diner is acting like one organism. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, a large urn in the background

“as the small shot eating ice cream in the Wikipedia. I think I spotted her. She's like right behind”

Ellen Burston. I think it's a daughter of Diane Ladd. This is her first on screen appearance.

She's got huge glasses. Yes. Oh, yeah. Wow. She's so cute. Roger, Bert. Mm-hmm. Says the movie's been both attacks. Well, we just talked about the actual lesson in the middle. Okay. One thing of course is it's what saves the movie for me. Yes. Is that if it ended on everyone applauding her in Chris Soffer's. And then that is two that's two. Right. Yeah. But it goes back to the kid that goes back to her relationship with her son. Yeah. I'm laughing because I'm washing the bathroom scene and they're cutting back

to the other Vera. Oh my God. And everyone's getting into a fight. And there's so many chaos. And so funny. Tommy saying, Mom, I can't breathe. This also improvised in this very sweet. That's good. You know, like that's because she truly was. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But and they're rocking out that like kind of shitty street. And there's the sign in front of them that says Monterey. Like that's the version of what they're heading toward. But they said live there. They've got all that. Oh, I'm the fish.

Got a bigger aquarium. Monterey. Yeah. Where's Monterey and California? It's like South of San Francisco.

Like isn't that where big little lies is it? I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I never think we're well for those

guys. Yeah. So if you're not that rich, might turn out fine for you. Remember Adam Scott's in that. Yeah. Sure is. It's like, you know, all this, you know, in St. drama, hang it happening. He's like, this sucks. Yeah. He's like, it's crazy about the school board and he's like, okay. Like, this is a one is done. Right. Limited series. No second season. Did he come back to the second season? I watched it. It's all kind of anish from my brain in that show. Oh, yeah. Who is

Dern's husband? Oh, because guard guard's obviously married and a little kid. Man, so there's Chalene doesn't have a husband. No, but she'll mother for somebody in the second season. But Dern definitely has a husband. She tells someone I will not not be rich. But she's Renata at Jeffrey Nordling. Oh, of course. The great, yes. The great Nordling. And then everyone's just kind of scared of Zoe Crapments. Yeah. Well, she's just for him. Oh, I forgot about her. Yeah. But she's married to some guy too.

You know, she's married to someone's ex. Exactly. Is she married to Reese's ex? Yeah. It's, um, it's Reese's ex. Yeah. And okay. And you know, there's a, if you, if you, if you really pay attention,

Where are the two of us from Athens? And where are the two of us from Athens? And where are the two of us from?

Of course, in Europe, Rosario says, with the greatest beauty of the world. A lot of thousands of us in Athens, with a great beauty of the world. It's interesting to hear this movie discussed at the time. This movie has been attacked and defended on feminist grounds. Yeah. Sounds like he's on film for you. Yeah. You know what I mean? He's like, oh, wait into the discourse. Wait, where's that was, doesn't live here anymore? Where are they doing all this fighting? Just

in the village voice? Like, you're thinking how? Yeah. In reviewing the thing to consider, the way there was discourse at a time or only 20 people had a platform of any size. So much more peaceful. I mean, still annoying, probably. Because like, people would write letters into the newspaper and be like, I disagree with that review. Are you going outside Lincoln Center,

“probably? It's pretty good, uh, you're right here, though. I think it belongs somewhere outside”

ideology, maybe in the area of contemporary myth and romance. Uh, you know, the movie seems less mentalist than it does about the speculations and daydreams of a lot of women her age who identify with liberation of other women, but are unsure on the subject of themselves. I think it's a great way of putting it in a hauling kale. Did you have the opinion on this? She usually was just kind of like, oh, I don't know. It's all right. Three stars. Ben, when David said hauling kale can

we edit in like a thunder clap. Someone playing the organ. One of the rear films that genuinely deserves to be called controversial. Again, this is Alice doesn't live here anymore. It's not

fucking cannibal hauling. I think people really fight about it. It's a story of a woman as a second

chance thrust on her. She knows enough not to make the same mistake again, but she isn't sure of much else neither is the movie. Oh, Pauline in for the kale after setting up what seemed like a nice preview.

“Boy, people responded to this like it was Lady Ghostbusters where they're like, let me try to push on”

us. She's basically like the movie is totally enjoyable and funny and absorbing. I just don't think it has like a take on its big issue. So why did you think deserves because of her show? I don't know. Molly Haskell, the great film critic can obviously is a leading voice in feminist film criticism and all that sort of has the same problem of like they're making a women's picture and consciously. And I think right, he's sort of playing ironic tribute and it didn't quite

feel authentic enough for me. That that makes sense for like a critic at the time watching this movie and being especially given the opening of it. Being like this is a little too cute for me. I think Marty, you know, doesn't quite know, you know, what he's playing with here or whatever. Now you watch this movie and you're like, my god, if only Hollywood made movies like this anymore and like what a refreshing thing that Scorsese made something like this early in the career with a studio with a fucking

movie star that won Oscars like that's fantastic. At the time they're basically just kind of like,

“I don't know, seems like a bunch of bullshit to me like good for them. That's how they”

paddle on. They could fight about it back and fight about it back now. Well, now we're just kind of like take me to the back rooms. Yeah. We get so many of the people the worst takes on Scorsese being like, he makes these movies that are about men. He has on any understanding of it. And if you just sit someone to be like, no, this guy made this with the exact amount of curiosity of everything else.

Like, it's always been there. I think it's a very good film. It is not like my favorite

Marks per se is a movie. I'm not sure I would put it in this top 10. I'm not sure where I put it though. Yeah, I have it. I probably have it in like it's top, you know, 20. He's made a lot of good fucking food. I think what I did my like letter box ranking after watching all the miles like 15 of them are five star masterpieces. It's like it's really hard to rank them in that. It's kind of a day by day thing. Can I share a quote from a film review in the times that New York, who is it by Vincent

Canby? Okay. All right. Alice doesn't live here anymore. Has the distinct advantage over most films by growing on you by getting better and better as it goes along until at the end you look back over it with some of the wonder and pleasure with which you might suddenly acknowledge an unexpected friendship. Yeah, that's really good summary. The diabet lab movies and Canby was not in the past goal kale like you know where he's like read like he's a down the line movie critic of like

this is a good experience like you're going to have a good time watching this book. Also him making this between Mean Streets and Taxi Driver which are just like sad and violent and intense is like exactly the time we come after this. You also just have to think about a lot of people have careers that start out with things like Taxi Driver and who's that knocking at my door or excuse me, Mean Streets and who's that knocking at my door and then it's like great. You made your little

personal movie. You've shown us that you know how to make a movie on a technical level.

is he just going to be a guy who hops from genre to genre and isn't making deeply personal films anymore. And instead after this every movie he makes feels almost every movie he makes feels very personal even when it is a genre exercise. Are you calling Mean Streets the guarantor or is this the guarantor that gets Taxi Driver happy? It's kind of a double. It's like the two pieces help and helps to have made a movie that succeeded. It made money. Like I don't think anyone's

“watching this being like I think he's already working on Taxi Driver in some sense and like”

Taxi Driver is the Black Jack director. The first one for sure. Sure. Sure. They mean yeah.

Well we were kind of we were kind of working like the Black Jack. That's the real Black Jack. Taxi Driver is more the guarantor. Taxi Driver is not an expensive movie and that's the movie where he's fighting every minute to get anything through. But just a few years. Yeah, it is. But New York New York is more him being like I want a lot of money to make something that is awesome and they're like we think you can make that work. Of course while he's making it he's like

I think everyone's gonna like it. Yeah, like which is the crazy part. Was he doing any drags at the time that would have a clouded his judgment and you think about that? Yeah, and his marriage was going very well, right? Because you know on screen it has a great few of relationships. Absolutely.

A fascinating movie. We almost had you do that. I know and I can't really excited about it and it's

it's a tough movie. I don't love it the way that I love Alice doesn't live here anymore. It's so glad to get to talk about this but New York New York is like such a rich touch. I feel like I'm similar to you in that I really like wrestling with it. And the stuff in it that works I think is like exceptional. Oh, it's it's a fascinating like what you guys are saying. It's it. Well, I think if you're out here being like that is one of his best movies. I think even Marty would kind of be like are you sure about

that like that movie is movie is flawed. But he's the fastest. The sounds he's opener of this lead you directly to. Oh, correct. He's like give me more of those you know backdrops painted. I'm ready. And you know there's a there's a mean boy friend or two in that film. There is in fact one major more important particular thinking of kind of worse boyfriend in the history movie. I can't wait for you guys to we because you got to your scissor rankings but ranking like De Niro as the guy who will

“ruin your life like in the end of Scoursesie. I mean you talk I tell them there too if you want to”

between the two of them. They have a lot. It's just so much. This is a good question. Who is the like which De Niro is the is the best dating option in this per se in the Anna's Daisy canon? I'm like is it Irishman guy? Well, I was going to say if I'm going to fight anyone I want to fight back guy because he can't even punch near you. Yeah if you're air if you're air you're like oh no he's kicking. I might go to anybody from mean history. You can only date him if you're

in your early 20s. Yeah. You can only date him if you're in your early 20s. Yeah. You can kind of just sneak on by. I want to do a co-click share in stone does. You can't stay with him for too long. Yeah but I feel like if I'm with him because you know I'm just kind of like I get a hotel room fine. I'll leave you alone like whatever. I don't know. I look at this is your version of Benz. This movie would end with me owning an island. You're busy. You're stressed out. I don't think it ends well. I think

bottom is Cape Fear. You got to go back to fear at the bottom. I want to throw that back drive her though. Do you think Max Katie like picks up some women who he doesn't aren't reconnect to someone who he wants to fuck with and like has a good time in the moves on. You're like getting the alienated. She's like she's part of the whole scheme though. Like if she's like not getting into that, it's a fair and kind. It's a real bad. It's possible. But I don't think you want to play

those on. These just funny that Travis Bickle might not be bought of because of Max. I just had to be honest. Let's also say like Travis Bickle's more attractive than Lisa Pumpkin. He's a

“looker. So you have to put him above. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's not going to shoot anyone”

properly. Probably. He commits crimes. He has a gun. Are we throwing a pillow to the flower moon? Like, and that was one of those things like pick, but not the worst. This is what I'm saying. That guy ends up being like top free and he commits a genus. He does. He's got her. He's got a great car. Great car, great goggles driving gloves for more. He needed a man. I think Irishman is near the top and Anna Packwin literally doesn't even want to speak. I think by default, that's number one.

What about him? What are what he's always probably like, you know, I killed Jimmy Hoffman as

sure you kill Furniture. Yeah. Well, I cannot wait to do Irish meant this. That was my favorite day. It's like on Twitter, I would post they would him saying they wouldn't dare any time. It was like Taikawaiiti promises like a madcap satire for his name. Where's my response when I see a headline

It's for full kids. It's so good. I mean, this entire series is you're going to be guys being like,

“you know, this movie like are good. Yeah, let's do the box. I was using this film came out in December”

9th, 1974, a little Christmas treat for you. Under the tree. Number one of the box office is a film that has been out for I want to say conservatively five months. And it's doing quite well at the box office, which is maybe speaking to some cultural issues in our country at the time. It's about a guy who's something very bad happens to a member of his family. Definitely. It's been up for five months. Yeah. And it is a romantic sensation. Wow. You know, and some people might be like,

well, that was terrible, and I need to process this emotionally. He's like, where's my, yes. And he does it so well that other people come to him. And they're like, can you solve my family shit? Yeah. Why not? Death wish, Charles Bronson and my friends winner film. Yes. Death wish.

Anyone ever seen? I've seen it. I've never seen the death wishes. Like a bomber. The first one is

like a pretty effective movie. Like you definitely get it. And it's even movies that are about how New York is like a fucking crime. So tell hole in the 70s. You watch them now and you're like, New York City, baby. It's great to see you're on screen. The second one is the one that's like

“unbelievably nasty. I believe the second one is where they're just kind of like, okay. So what”

worked about this is just like violence and listen. Right. Yeah. I have not obviously seen like death wish for the crackdown, which funny to think that by four, he's like, I think it sounds a crackdown. I've been taking a two. He's a time to expand outside of my problems. What's the signature? I'm going to him. It's fix it. To fix him. It's really he's on like the Phil's over. All right. Number two is a disaster movie. The side adventure. Nope. Uh, towering and

for now. Keep going. There we go. There we go. And that's your 40 X, right? Uh, it was a called shaker Rama, but it was called sense around. Then you're, it's earthquake. Do you just earthquake ride in those clean Mercedes? Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember if that they put motors under the seats or they put speakers under the seat. I think they would like blast

like basically subwoofers to make your seat vibrated. It's a little like the Dolby theaters now.

Right. It was like a d-box. It's sort of like a prototype. Dolby where you're like the sound is so loud. The chair shakes rather than the movie is synced up to shake in a specific way. Yeah. And it's not like built on some gimbal that's just no gimbal or it's perfect. It's gimbal. It's gimbal. This is some gimbal. It's a Macy's. Okay. No gimbals. Number three of the box office is a sequel to a sort of death wish ask kind of like shock hit. Uh, it's not Billy Jack is a

fucking is Billy Jack. Which one is it? The second goes to Washington? No. He's yet to go to Washington. Uh, Billy Jack did eventually go to Washington. That was a thing. Is it? He told them to clean up their actual like drain that swamp. The return of Billy Jack. It's called the trial.

Oh, the trial. Of course. They put a lot of trial. Oh, I'm so sorry. The second film is called

Billy Jack. But I'm forgetting that the first film is called the born losers. And that actually introduces Billy. But he's not the main character. No, I think Billy Jack the 1971 film was the surprise. Yes. You know, essentially an indie film. And I think there isn't a Washington. I was

“thinking of the trial of Billy Jack. That's what I was like. No, they're definitely into it.”

There is a Billy Jack goes to Washington. Okay. Okay. So forth. Yeah. He cleaned it up. And then the return of Billy Jack, which was not released. Hmm. Yes. I know this. In which he takes on child pornographers. And I guess they were kind of just like, let's say. Let's go. Let's go. Let's throw some death involved in that production. Maybe let's see. I want to say it was like also not completed. It was not completed. 17 minutes were filmed.

Oh, good. You suffered a head injury, making it. And they ran out of money. Yeah. So no one died. But, you know, so that's number three of the box office. We've threatened to do the Billy Jack's on Patreon. I'll do it. Let's jack it up. Do those in the death wishes? Well, all together. Yeah. That sounds like a borrower. Can't I walk winter? Number four is a sports film. Mm-hmm. Kind of one of the original sort of sports comedies. You know, as bad news bears has

come around the corner. It's not, uh, well, it's not slap shot. No. And worse than slap shot. It's not a long way apart. In fact, it is burnt Reynolds in the bloody longest yard. It's a bloody picture. Um, Robert Aldrich is the longest yard ever since. I know, but he wasn't the real artist behind it. The greatest film producer who ever lived. Albert Reeves his man. S. Ruddy is portrayed by my seller. Hey, I mean, I got an idea for an offer.

French, you know. We make it off the references on his death. It's the best TV show that's ever happened.

It's also incredible. And it's never been more relevant because Michael is the most

offer-coated movie that has ever existed with Miles Taylor basically reprising his performance. Miles Taylor as Al Rady as John Bronca. I just saw a movie that Miles Taylor is good in. And it's one of those things we're like, right. Like, this, he just needs, well, you know, good director. He needs a character to work with here. Like, he's not the fool that I take him for these days all the time. Well, because like a business man will develop a movie about

“how good of a business man he was. And then a higher Miles Taylor and be like, where is it?”

It's crazy. You're the best. A business man will make a movie about the godfather. Yes. And be like, and the person who should get the most credit is me. Well, not French, the sport copula, you know,

Al Pacino, one of my smaller part, but Michael has major tones of that of like, was he?

I think it's in the one you thought about. And Bronca's going to save him. Right. The offer, of course, has the greatest screen read and credit of all time, which is based on the experiences of Al ready, making the godfather. So I'm based on a fucking book. It's based on a couple of conversations. He sat down and dictated it and that's all you need. I didn't even know if he dictated it. Number five of the box office is a film that I wish featured characters like

Gile, John Lee. This, okay, is this lady Street Fighter or is it the original street? He's a film simply a Japanese martial arts film called something. Sorry. The great study to you. Yes, called the Street Fighter. I believe I recently bought the child factory box set of this sounds like something you'll get to that one in 2029 or whatever. Yeah, sure. It's just so funny with like the radiance, you know, drop comes and it's like this just accuses a film and I'm like, I'll just

get it. Yeah, I don't even need to tell me. And I'm like how many fucking use of films do I have? I'd like, you know, waiting to be watched at this point. The addiction, Katie. You're not in a blue ray addiction. Do you have a disc player? Yeah. I've got just that I've collected over various times like getting them through press stuff mostly. But no, you guys in your physical media thing. I don't don't include. No, okay. I wasn't looking at you. I'm just looking at it. Ben's normal. He doesn't have

any physical media. He hates it. Well, I do. Yeah. There we go. But it's vinyl. Yeah, you're the mind. You're, you already did this with the vinyl. I feel like they're, yeah, it has in the pocket. Unfortunately, I am certain to get into our books, which aren't, you know, well, they're really small, right? Yeah. It's like, yeah, it's like, wait. You just have to throw one in your toe

“bag. You're running around town. Easy to store. You should get into like art and novellas.”

Where it's just like two paintings. Number six at the box office is a film. I know you're very fond of Griffin. The little prince. It is a movie I love. Have you ever seen the Stanley Don and Little. No, I'm not. Wait, of course, Bob Fossick. It's one of the Wallace movies ever made and Bob Fossick plays the snake in it and he creates Michael Jackson's persona. Oh, I mean, he did that in so many of the way he dances. Yeah. But this, he's dressed like head to toe black with like a jazzy glow

stuff to hat and the white socks. I think I've seen clips of it. He likes music. Yeah. He's a famous, like his dancing in it is, is remember. I think I have so much. She mulled her place the fox. He would make my best supporting actor ballot this year. He's unfucking believable. I love how long Stanley Donans career was. Like I was making movies for decades. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Do don't in one of these days. That's what I'm doing. Yeah, there's maybe there's a way to sort

of hack it to, I don't know. Number seven is one of my favorite films of all time. They're taking

Apollo 1, 2, 3. Yeah. So you get a New York. Number eight is airport 1975, which is what is at the second one.

Wait, so it came out seven. It's called night. Yeah, for the next. Yeah, excitement of tomorrow. It's like New car models. Blue's brother's 2000 came out in 1998. Obviously, the call. Yeah, obviously. Uh, which is Charlotton has to carry on black first. Can't wait. Whatever. I'm right on knowing people are in that number nine of reissue. Cabaret. Mm. We love it. Yeah. They

“remember 72 films. That's what like two years after it. There's no fucking. Yeah. It's a movie was a hit”

at that scale. Yeah. It would re release it every year. You know, I would love to see in theaters right this second camera. Sounds great. Uh, number five. Number 10 is a movie called Law and Disorder after look it up. I don't know. There's so many like visual entities. Carol O'Connor earned his book nine. Oh, I said no. And you're telling me there's law and Disorder in this one. And you're telling me their shirts are tucked in properly, right? Nothing rumpled sleeves all the way

down. Oh, Mary, a belly. I'm feeling a little anxious about this one. Let me run the plot here by you in the crime-infested New York City of the 70s. Yeah. Two residents and friends played by her Carol O'Connor and earned his book nine. So, you know, grumpy barrel shaped white

back their neighborhood from criminal. Do you think they do that in a responsible way? Vincent can be called it a gentle. Oh, okay. Sometimes disruptively funny movie. Wow. This is all important practice for taxi driver. We, you guys want to be so forward doing that. Maybe this is more just a straightforward comedy. Maybe Alper Finny is an uncredited producer on a what is this? Well, Thor, I'll produce it for you. You know, I'm trying to produce this with

something. Because when Finny produced, he would talk like his character, Neurbrockovith. It's one

of Aaron. It's one of Angela Battlelamenti's first credits, but he did it under the name Andy

Baddale. There you go. He was trying to pass. Or maybe Andy Baddale. And then they tried to give him some espresso. And he went, sheet. And they were like, I'm talking about his Italian. It's just crazy that one of the Simpsons writers went in the fucking submersible before it blew up. Yes. Yes. It is. That's all. Would you ever go in a submersible? Uh, no. No, I'm not going to pray for you. I'm not going to pray for you. I'm not going to pray for you. No, I'm not going to pray for you.

I'm not going to pray for you. All right. Ben is sending us ad copy. And I got to go pick up my daughter. So I think I should bring Ben and I have to go see Toy Story 5 again. Oh. Ben smiling. I signed up for it. Okay. I liked it a lot. No, I liked it too. What Ben said to me was I really want to see that again before one. No, no, no, no, no. I was there for me. I was seeing it again with my daughter. I will be seeing it with my children probably on Sunday as well. Yes. But they are, I don't think I've told you

this. Griffin that like they didn't think they were into it. Because like they don't have a lot of Toy Story knowledge. It's not like one of our movies. And then we saw the trailer for Hoppers or something like that. And they're both like, Oh, yeah. Absolutely. That's how you love them. I've truly wonder what my daughter is going to make it. But she's more fan of the other films. And it totally,

“I mean, loves the other films. And she loves Jessie. I think that'll. Oh, yeah. What did you say?”

Who are you, right? It is. But I just, I truly wonder if the message will resonate with her at all. I don't know. I don't know. Little over her head at this age. I would say Ben. But I want to totally, I've witnessed a couple examples of kids who do not previously like Toy Story being interested in this one and or loving this one. It certainly looks like it's going to make a lot of them. The pump feels very prime. I was so surprised that it, because like, you know, Charlie again,

like he's 10, like we saw the school's your day. Like he's right for the Odyssey. But like Toy Story,

it's, you know, it works. My, my 10 year old little cousin who always loves to say that he hates

the Toy Story movies. I think that's really challenging me testing the foulless mouth I've ever seen. He's revealing against you. I'm so sorry. He did say to me, when does Toy Story 5 come out of can we to see them? We got to take George and Charlie to the movie together someday. That's the dream. That's interesting. They might get along. Okay. All right. We're going to make it happen. Someday we're going to make it happen. Heidi, thank you so much for being here.

You guys. Welcome on. I check with Griffin and we'll find my way back in whenever you'll have

“me on to your blankies. Was that the nickname we gave you last time? I think so. Yeah, because Emily is”

the mother. I think I get to be the auntie. So I will gladly take that role. Prestige junkie. Yeah, Prestige junkie at the ankle. Uh, being Chris Rosen, talking about

a word stuff and I have guests on, including you guys whenever the time comes. I did never

tell you that people were really normal about that was one of those social clips that like I was like why am I still getting notifications about this? Why is Monts later? It was so crazy. It was insane. Please get your next hottest take ready and come on back on. I will. Well, big gyms got to announce another avatar movie, but I'll think of something else. Oh, and I have to say fighting in the war room because David never mentioned it. No. Someone's got to do it.

We try to possibly guess not that long ago. We never have guests. Like, you're like, you and John Rhettson burger. I think the only two guests have ever come back. That was like 15 years ago. Why do I have guests that I'm fighting in the war room many times? Oh, no, not many. Like it.

“It's usually too lazy for it, but you have to come on and talk about slow Christmas. That was a”

great time. Yeah, you came on one time and talked about the tick, I think. I'm also, I'm also on the iconic episode. I think Griffin is too worried. Yeah, David is getting married and we're all taking the first time. Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, on the porch. That was a portrait. Oh, yeah. Oh, you're right. I look sweating. The picture of you guys are parting that. Yeah. I'm going to find it. That's a good picture. Yeah, we did a lot of like wedding episodes because we were getting married. Because they just had their

tenth anniversary, right? No, it would be, it would be just here because Charlie was a baby. I had just left New York and I drove back up. Okay. Yeah. That sounds great. You're right. When he's five. It's my own 17 or 17 anniversary. My wife's birthday and she was turning 29. I'm finding this picture. Right. You're too sitting on the porch and yak and saw what does what we did back then. That's what we did back then and it's very different from what we're doing right now. Yeah, in a room

indoors with a porch. Oh, my God, you guys are so cute. So I don't want to see this. I'm going to have a fucking existential crisis looking at this picture. Try having a 10 year old where you're like, you were just a baby. Where are you? Now, all the listeners can share in it. Anyone who

You'll be back. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm back. You can't get rid of me. You know,

Charlie will be back. Oh, I know. So especially because you're not doing video, he does not want to be like on video anything. But coming and talking to a microphone,

“I think you could do it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, come back to his family trip. Oh, yeah.”

Got to do it for coming. New York City zone. Thank you all for listening. Please remember to rate review and subscribe tune in next week for taxi driver with Tracy Letts. We apologize in advance.

The episode's a little short. We were facing a couple of hardouts. The longest episode we've ever

done. Unfortunately, by four hours. Yeah. Luckily, I murder everyone in the room when it's done. So yeah, it's admissible in court this episode. Just kidding. It's in my memory as long as it was a long, very good episode. Yes, I think so. Yeah. We were we were pretty locked in with all Tracy. Yeah. That's part of why it's stressful. It's like we're really trying to like, he, you know, present and effective with Mr. Tracy Letts. Yeah. He also is like, I'm going for it.

Yeah, he's like, how long? How long is the record? And I was like, don't nobody tell him. Well, I feel like when you have your friends come and try the break, the record. You can be like, don't shut up. You're not doing it. But when it's Tracy Letts, even though he is your friend, he's Tracy Letts. You kind of have to let the man cook. He threw the peelister down on the table and he started clicking over on the Patreon recently. We just put out a risen evil apocalypse. It's the end of the

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