Finding Dory with Zach Cherry

An unforgettable podcast, she probably won't remember.

So that was one of three taglines for this film. An unforgettable journey she probably won't remember. That one's kind of clever. I don't know if you caught this. It's a subtle thread.

But the character of Dory in finding Dory has memory issues. That's so true. Torcharmony loss. Second tagline. Have you seen her?

Yeah, that one I liked. I remember those are the teasers. Because she'd be hiding in the film. She'd be really small. And it would be like the "Manta Ray" migration

or whatever you'd see, sort of, or the sting rays. Is that right? And then the third one was, she just kept swimming. She just kept swimming. Now, I liked this movie.

But those three taglines show why this movie needed to happen, which was basically the Walt Disney company being like, if we just put out a poster with a picture of Dory and any of those three jokes that are just right there

for the taking, it will make one billion dollars.

“All you need to do is be like, here's Dory again,”

and she's still Dory. That is exactly what happened. Have you seen her? Great. She's gone missing.

She just kept swimming. That's the thing she does. Sure. Don't forget, we'll journey. She probably won't remember.

Love it. I'm laughing and my hardest one. She's a fucking fish. Look, come now. The Cedar Seats.

You can sit down in any of them. As long as you paid for your ticket and we'll show you the fish. And then our business is done. Great. That's how pigs are.

We fulfilled our end of the bargain. That's how SQL shit. She's just, it's just, (laughing) Can you come?

I'm really, I got another stuff to do. She's a fish. It was one of those movies where there was a lot of marketing, but it didn't feel like there was like audible hyper excitement. No, because like Monsters University had to be like,

remember the monsters. They went to school. I'm like, I guess they did. They're like, well, they did. Okay, listen to me, okay?

And they did, and it was called this. Monsters University. This is the selling you a weirder take. Right. You had to be more of a conversing story.

I was like, we got the Nemo. And everyone was like, got it. I'll circle it on my calendar. I won't talk about it until then. I'll show up.

I'll give my money all seriously. How far apart were Monsters 1 and 2? 12 years. Okay, so about the same amount. About the same.

And 14, 'cause 13, 13, 13. I was shocked. I was shocked in my memory of the timeline of Pixar. It was Finding Nemo and then Finding Dory. Like two years later.

Right. Like I had no recollection that it was a full 13. Like you're sitting down with Finding Dory being like, it just found Nemo. Yeah, I got to find her too.

“And if my memory, that's how it took place.”

And then when I like, you know, when I plugged in to do my part of the podcast, I was shocked to learn that there was like a huge gap. I had no memory of that.

Yeah, I mean, first we lost Nemo under the Bush administration.

Yeah, W. And Dory was found under the Obama administration. And was it like what was happening right at the start at the time? Trump has not had to deal with Marlon yet. He is the first, like his Biden didn't either.

Where's Dory? Yeah, but I was going to say, but Biden did have kind of a bit of a Dory brain. Biden's casting for Dory and Nemo. Which one's lost? Well, maybe this inspired him.

What were you going to ask? What was happening with Pixar at the time? Like, great question. I was already there. Was it like, we will.

We need a big win. Yeah, for sure. That was, I do remember it feeling like, oh, shit. They're actually doing their life. And I'm going to correct Sims here coming back to Nemo.

It wasn't, you need a big win. It was guys. It's time to play ball. Oh, you're right. The internal politics.

You're right. Totally. It was. We respect the artistic purity thing. But once in a while, we're going to fucking do so.

Right. Because I got a cash check. Yes. Toy Story 95, Toy Story 299, they don't make another sequel for 11 years. From 99 to 2009, it's all original film.

Right. It's Toy Story 3. 2011 is Cars 2. That's true. 2013.

13 is Monsters University. Yeah. 2016 is finding Dorie. 2018 is Incredibles 2. You're forgetting in 2017.

Is Cars 3? First 3. And then 2019 is Toy Story 4. That's right. That's right.

And suddenly a lot of sequels. Yes. And it was just kind of the backlog of, we respect what you've done. But come on, guys. Right.

I'm sorry he's writing the middle of this. Yes. Right.

“I remember when it came out, my reaction being like, sorry, I guess so.”

I did see it. This movie was a ginormous success.

Very excited. Memory Hold just how huge it was.

“But I do think this was the start of the kind of Pixar fatigue of, is this really what”

we're doing now. You know, Toy Story 3 was beloved, Monsters University Lessso, but it had novelty to it. Haven't been sequelizing all of these cars had already kind of been written off as cars.

Cars is always the junkwashing.

Yes. Sure. It's so baby. That almost a different totally thing. But then the accumulation of it by the time you get to finding Doris really or

let me just, this stuff is so much better than Monsters University. Yeah. Huge. Monsters University. I don't like.

I know you do. I like it a lot. I defend it. How did the original's compare? Like, was Nemo a much bigger hit than Yes.

Monsters. Finding Nemo when it came out was the height. Yes, growing animated film in history. It was the sixth highest grossing movie period, I believe. Something like that.

It was in the top 10 of all time. It was a big hit. How for that little fish? Yeah.

“So you have to meet with you whole fins.”

But that was there. It was like Toy Story, a bug's life does about the same. Maybe a little less than the first Toy Story, then Toy Story 2 huge jump up, Monsters and huge jump up, finding Nemo, ginormous jump up, and then they sort of hit a plateau. And it was like, it was a little bit, it was like a ratatouille up and while you're all in

the like $200 to $300 million range. And then when they pull the bandate off the sequel thing, the numbers go through the roof. It's humongous because there have been so much built up. You have successfully built these characters that have endured and are beloved. And have now been like activated across multiple generations.

Kids were being raised on these who weren't even born when the first one came out. I will say, I'm ready. I am ready for a whole lot more in the finding universe. Zach, they announced this week that Ellen DeGeneres, who of course has retired from public

life and told us all a year ago that we were never going to see her again, has signed

on to reprise the role of Dory in some sort of undefined short film. Interesting. They are doing something new. I'm not either, but it was just interesting. The announcement in and of itself doesn't feel that big, but it feels like it's more

of a, is she coming back and is Dory going to do more? Yes. This is her last film role currently. Yeah. This is this is the last time Ellen was in the film.

Who would get lost this time? The teacher should get lost. I mean, everyone's stingray. Yeah. When this came out of the cynical joke, it's like, do you do finding Marlond to complete

the trilogy? And it's like, there's no movie there. Yeah, nothing's being activated by him being lost or found, because he also ostensibly is lost in what he's maybe he's, maybe he's sunsetting a little bit. He's starting to know he Biden is, yep, it's a good one.

He won't stop talking about this. You got some juice there. Wait, the little last turtle. That was a little short. Not short.

It's thin off about him. Isn't it? Well, the big one's crush. Oh, so what is score? Yes.

Yeah. Totally. But I was more, I'm in the mood for a young Marlond, prequel, series. Sure.

I want to see Nemo, Nemo go on his own epic journey. Sure.

I sure do want to like, you want to, here's what you want.

You want young Marlond before he's this boring, head-packed family man or his trauma. Right. His trauma. Just so in his wild oats and the ocean. Yeah.

And then so that's prequel. And then on a separate track, you want Nemo flash forward to his 20s. Yeah. So this is going to go on the other two. So in his wild oats and the ocean.

You want these two separate stories about those young fish fucking around. Marlond is Bilbo. Okay. Okay. And finding Nemo is finding Nemo and finding the where he are sort of Hobbit-esque.

And then we need Nemo's Lord of the Rings. That's coming down the pipe, right. He's Frodo. And then young Marlond, you know, is more sort of the lore and film really and end that type of stuff.

And that's what I'm looking for.

“So then what's the hunt for gollum of the finding here?”

If we do Peter Jackson, do you want to do Hobbit moving? I love all of Hobbit. This is the intro. I'm deep. This is the answer.

I was looking for. The Hobbit was like, yeah, one of the first real books I ever read. I mean, for me too, but the movies, oh, I love the movie. Right. You exit it satisfied.

We excited anytime we can identify a cherry pick on this podcast. Exactly. If there is a A just row, that was kind of like, hmm. It's like, if you go to chat GPT and you were like, predict a Zack cherry blank check episode.

You can't always do it. Where it's like, he's been on yesterday. The rollerball remade. Yeah, yeah. Finding Dory.

Yeah. Chat GPT's like, I don't know man. I need more information. And you'll swing in sex sometimes as a cold like, hey, if you ever did this director, I would want this.

Okay. 1417 to Paris. Yes. It's my ultimate desire. You called your shot before March Madness on man on fire.

Yeah. We'll do him someday, but like a year ago, maybe we threw to you and we're like, this is what we're thinking. And you were like, I like the corn brothers, but like, respectively, none of these feel like they have to be my episode.

You've always been very kind of like, I'm not going to do it unless I feel the

pull. Yeah. Well, for this. That's weird. It's somehow we just all landed on that sounds funny.

“Well, do you know, do you know how I found out I was doing the finding Dory episode?”

Wow, our mutual friend Alson Wilmore was here. Oh, sure. Recording episode. I saw you on the counter for finding what I was. I was okay.

I guess that bit was real. We'd say you like the year schedule and you said, hmm, finding Dory, I have been eager to defend my good friend Ellen DeGeneres on my right. Which was a joke. Yes.

But then David and I looked at each other, stroke or chains and went, does sound like a good episode. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to hold him to this.

I'm going to defend her to this day over her sitcom. Great. I thought that was good. Yeah. We were talking about this in the Nemo episode of just like Ellen was so fucking funny.

She's so funny.

“And she's she genuinely, there was a time when I was like, she's the funniest person on”

the planet. Like, I, you know, I sort of cycle through my, who's like doing it for me at the moment. And there was a time when I was like, I would watch her talk show and just everything she said. Yeah.

It wasn't impressive that she was still funny on the talk show. Yeah. She's hilarious. That there was, you know, she still was able to be kind of dry and cutting. And then off camera, off camera, occasionally she had a bit of a sharp edge possible.

And we discussed the the second Ellen sitcom, Ellen Show.

We talked about it in the Nemo episode, which she owns the bookstore. No. That's the first Ellen show. Ellen, she owns the books. Oh, the second one.

The second one. It's set in the wake. I don't see that. No, it's set in the wake of the dot com bubble bursting. This is a 2001 sitcom.

You know, it's like really, really, and her internet company goes bankrupt. She moves to her hometown. She's got a crazy mom played by Clarice Leachman, um, scatterbrained sister played by Emily Rutherford. I love that actress.

Great actress meets an old prom date who thinks they can pick up where they left off. But she's gay, so he doesn't get that play by Jim Gaffigan. This was the gay show. This was in, yes, uh, Martin Mall plays a befuddled teacher. Oh, yeah.

That's really hard for Martin Mall. The great carry Kenny on it as well. Yeah. And then she becomes a guidance counselor at high school. Yes.

So it's like a very kind of like star-lead and thing, co-created by Mitra Whits. Mitra Whits of rest of all and Carol Leifer legendary commentary. Yeah. But like, one of those things where I feel like they were like, we got a list, Helen.

Yeah. Ellen is now a fully realized, like, you know, societies on board with like gay Ellen. Like there's no shock here anymore. And it aired and everyone was like, no, thank you. I can't pull it back.

This is nothing. This is nothing with dot com boom of it all made. That is may have doomed it. Book air. Not to psychoanalyze too much, but it was interesting when she was doing her episode

of the Letterman Netflix show was before the toxic workplace. The stuff came out, but was the first time where I saw the mask kind of fall of, she's really angry and maybe she did a Marin and I felt this as well. She has so much lingering anger of how much the industry threw her out while celebrating her bravery for coming out and then all of the stuff she did after coming out was rejected.

And then she has this incredible, like, Nemo comes out made 2003, the Ellen show premieres

like that September or October, like within the year 2003, she has completely rebounded to the height of American pop culture. And yet it feels like the longer that success extends and the bigger it gets, the more her resentment brews of what happened in that five year wilderness period.

“And it just like metastasized into this pit of, like, where do you see this short film?”

It's called Doris Settleson grudges. Yeah, right. Doris, like, it's fine, then I'm right. Yeah, actually it's good. Yeah, she's just swimming back and forth really angrily.

But I, like, I get the the angle of she was sort of pressured into coming out. There was this feeling of good for you. Yeah, sure. And then everyone was like, but by the way, we're done. Yeah, you can't work anymore.

Yeah, come on. Right. Now, I think Ellen's good and pro Ellen, I think she's brilliant. I think her performance in finding Nemo. I don't think she had finding Doris either is so good.

I mean, we were making the case very good in the Nemo episode. She should have been nominated for Best Supporting Actress for that one.

didn't get in.

“Does has anyone ever been nominated for a movie performance?”

Never happened. She was bandied around at the time because I feel like it was on the touch of breakout thing what she was doing. And the BAFTA Awards had nominated Eddie Murphy for Shrek. They didn't even do it.

Incredible because he's so good at this. The BAFTA Awards have historically had such a bad track record with black actors, manifesting in. Some weird things. They're happening.

They're happening. What are you talking about?

But like the BAFTAs have never nominated Denzel Washington one time.

Is that really true? I of course they often snuck in, but I was like, really big never got him in the afternoon. After the I swear thing, I was like, let me do like a full catalog of this. They literally never nominated Denzel.

But then also you look through like who are the black actors who get the Oscar Noms and how often do they miss the BAFTA Noms and it's crazy. And it's crazy. And then while that it's like the only one of the major groups, if you, you know, if you go, I know.

I know. But he's asked us to academy the only one of them to ever nominate a voiceover performance is BAFTA eddy Murphy Shrek. It's a great performance. It is.

So like I salute them doing it. Yeah.

“But at the same time, is it insulting where they're like, we loved you as Don?”

A little bit. There's a little bit of a like, is this back handed? It's a makeup nomination for Mushu. This is so true. They didn't get him for Mushu.

Disney definitely would do the exact same thing next time. We're going to do a big Chinese epic. You see a dragon in Mulan. In Mulan. Oh, sure.

Because of the 90s post Genie, it was basically like they're better be a little guy. And he better be voiceover.

And he is genuinely another incredible performer.

It is. He's good as Mushu. The live action remake had no Mushu, right? Like no. Correct.

I think there's like a statue at one point. Cool. That they point at. It's like an exclusively Mushu moment, but there is no actual living representation of Mushu.

But yes, you're right. It is funny that they were just like. Might have been a mistake. We want to explore like Chinese folklore. Also, there is a dragon who just sounds like 80s at he Murphy and he's called Mushu.

And the bit is that he's got like a kind of inferiority complex. He's right. He's like a wild fire, right? But he also kind of finesses everyone in conversation. We're not talking about Mulan, but we might talk about Mushu some more.

Nobody from Mario was nominated for an Oscar. You mean the recent Super Mario movie? Yeah. You know, who are you going for? Who's getting the trophy in your ass?

I see that movie. I would say 15 to 20 times at this point. I'm talking the first one. These Super Mario brothers. Oh, I'm thinking about something of galaxy.

Okay, galaxy is not eligible yet. Yeah. Right, right, right. Right.

Never know who's getting the win for galaxy.

I actually haven't seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it with my daughter. She loved it. She would give everyone an Oscar.

If she knew what an Oscar was. We in our in our blankies, we always try to do a best voice over category. Yeah, sure. If that existed at the Oscars, they would have nominated Jack Black for the first one. Oh, yeah.

It's not Chris Brown. Yes. Not that would have been the low nominated.

“Who have been some of your nominees in the in the recent years in that category?”

You know, like Ben Wishon, Paddington is a good example. Oh, yeah. We really have some time. Yeah. Who are some good ones?

I'm trying to think. I feel like Jake Johnson and Spider-Verse was one we called out. Yeah, now I want to look through the the history. You know, I love Holly Hunter and the Incredibles move. Yes.

Right. Like that's a really interesting thing. I mean, honestly, there would be quite a few from both finding Nemo. And finding Nemo and finding Nemo and finding Nemo has got great voice acting. And we're going to talk about finding Dory.

It does kind of the same thing as Nemo that I appreciate of like we're not getting the Super Mario Root of just like who's famous right now? Like we're going to get character actors, sitcom actors, you know, type of all is great in finding Dory. You're the ultimate triumph of this movie for me.

And I feel like this is rarely the case in a sequel. Every new character introduced in this film is excellent. Yeah. There is no like you're trying to make this happen. Hank.

Yeah. Where's he Frank? Hank. You got it. He's good.

But I think all the new characters are great, well-designed, funny, well-developed, well-casts. Don't feel like we're just not that many. No. It's not bad. Overwhelming you with a bunch of new.

Which often is the thing. They're like can we throw 20 new darts at the board and see which one of these cells merchandise? Well, I have some issues with Gerald, but we'll get to him. Gerald and not Becky.

You're fine with Becky, but not Becky. Becky, I have less issues with Gerald. There was touching a set. Gerald and Gerald and Becky, I have my, I have my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my. Okay.

Becky. Becky. Becky's the bird with the bucket. Oh, right. And Gerald is the source.

Gerald's the dumb. Massive eyebrow. Right. Right. This is blank check with Griffin David.

I'm Griffin David.

success early on in their career, such as making finding Nemo and are given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want, such as Wally or John Carter, sometimes those checks clear see Wally, sometimes they bounce. You don't Carter. I did like John Carter.

Yeah, you would have been good on that. And then it was a good.

Yeah, sometimes a filmmaker is holding such an incredible get out of movie jail free car.

Yes. But they can immediately recover from the most notorious flop of right. The decade, the century calls him was like, hey, by the way, John Carter's going to lose like $2 million.

“And he's like, I think I just found door.”

I'm like, well, see you tomorrow, baby. You can do anything you want. I can cover that. I'm good for it. Yeah.

Oh, my God. I think the best voice performance in Super Mario Galaxy is Benny Safty as Bouser Junior. That's the one where I was kind of like, well, he's doing something and this is interesting. Like, most everyone else, I was kind of like, you're kind of doing what you're supposed to do. I truly day has more to do in the second one than I do.

I like him. He's gone affected. I think he's good. But yeah, the first one spends 90% of the movie in a fucking cage. He is in the cage.

Who's hiding? He's finding Luigi. The first movie is finding Luigi. He goes missing. I'll tell you, as I told you, I think before my daughter was very locked into Luigi both

times because she really likes to be scared. He's been like, she, she identified as exactly like, is your daughter easily scared? Well, I mean, like, I'm not saying to judge me, but I'm like, I just feel like there's not a lot in life. Right.

I mean, she's scared of dogs, but that's such a classic little kid thing. I'm trying to think like, when else, she gets scared. I mean, I'm going to say yes because like the Halloween cat in the Disney Plus show super kiddies scared her. Yeah.

I'm seeing the Halloween cat. I mean, he ain't scared. He's mischievous at best. And she's like in bed at night being like the Halloween cat's going to get me and I'm like, the Halloween cat steals candy.

Like, it doesn't even scare anyone. But mischias for this year can be the scariest thing.

“I think to a kid, it's a little bit like the kind of like, rusting order.”

And they're like sneaking around like, you're not supposed to. Yeah. I don't know. And that's my kid, the rule of law that don't take place in the premise on a lack of mischief.

Yeah. This is really, she does not like that Halloween cat.

I just always, especially with talking about like children's media or things that

are designed to play for children. But as we partially. Right. I saw some scary shit when I was a kid. Like, because no one really watched in the store.

I find the cartoon like, won't scare you. People can be algorithmic about these things and design these things in a lab, right? And the Mario movies are perfect example of that. But sometimes you just hit on something where you're like, this speaks to kids. Yes, you have, you have developed this character correctly.

Cast the right person, the right design and kids see this and they just go, like, that's me. I get it. I'm going to ride with this forever. Dory.

Yeah. You have said, David, that you have watched this movie many, many more times than finding e-mote this. Because your daughter is hyper-fixated on baby dory. Yeah.

And I just feel like also just generally it's like, this movie has more dory. Yeah. Dory is the best. Yes. So, thus it's better.

“And makes dory the vulnerable character in a way that, yes, fascinatingly, I think”

kids ended up relating to harder than Nemo, the literal child in the first one.

Nemo is fine because Nemo is very confident. Like, you know, it's like Nemo is going to be all right. And like, Marlin, like, I mean, I'm like Marlin. Yeah. Like Marlin.

You know, good job. Marlin. But like, like, I don't know if I like Marlin. Yeah. Right.

Even though they were running around me, like, what's up with Marlin, right? Yeah. Maybe that's why you don't like it. This was the first time, because I was holding a mirror. I watched Finding Nemo to prepare.

And it was the first time that I identified with Marlin straight down the mirror and had some hard talks with my son. It's tough. Yeah. And I did also.

I did also watch Finding Forester to complete the drill. Oh, perfect. Thank you. I am not joking. I did do that.

Or yesterday's actually, it's a cherry pick, Finding Dory, the 2016. It doesn't win Best Animated Film. No. What did? I'll find out.

In 2016, this is the Zutopia year, I believe. My question was, this isn't even getting nominated for an Oscar. It doesn't. It doesn't. Well, it's fun.

That's fun. The freaking Eminem's commercial. Hey. Well, actually. That sounds pretty hot.

No. No Oscar. That's not. Wow. They don't like sequels.

Yeah. I can tell you. Let's find out what the Best Animated Film nominees were in what? This is 2016. Oh, yes.

Bevious and butt head. Well, we're. Okay. Wait. 26.

Okay. I will say it's a pretty strong feel. There's a reason this did not make it. Okay. So Zutopia wins.

Yes. Correct. Tell me the distributors at the other four. One of them is like a. So that would be Kubo.

It was an excellent film. Shoulda won. Good movie. I mean, these are all, these are good movies. So kind of a crime that like it has not won.

Yeah, never had. Man Oscar. Yeah. It should have won. Right.

Because Coraline is the up year.

Coraline is the one that's, we should have been handed that one. Yeah.

“And then pair Paranormal would have been a fine winner.”

Over three. That's what's embarrassing. I was really hoping. I was really hoping. And there too.

Rick and Rob. Going in was the presumed winner. And it was sort of. Rick and Rob was the same year as finding Dory. No.

But we're jumping all the way. Right. It was shocking. But it was also an indication back then that they were like, I don't know. Isn't the Pixar thing the best one?

Which is why it's interesting that so quickly they switched to were willing to snub Pixar if they're going to do this sequel shit. Yeah. You fuck with Ralph. Oh, I love Frankie Ralph.

He's such a great guy.

The first one is awesome.

Yeah. He's like the only you were angry that he broke the internet. Because he were trying to use it that day. Yeah. Yeah.

I had to submit my taxes. Yeah. The only. And it's like one of the. Yeah.

Yeah. The only Pixar sequel that is nominated in between the two toy story sequels. You know, three and four. Which they, you know. Yeah.

Game of Thrones, too. Is Incredibles, too. Yeah.

“Everything else they were like, no thank you.”

And that loses despite a reverse, right? Yeah. Yeah. Which is fine. Yeah.

Okay. So as you tell, be a Kubo. Another giant Disney animated film. It's a second one. Which is this is also why finding Dory didn't get it.

And it's like there's already two big Disney movies. It was big. You're the same year. No. Come on.

2016. I saw this movie right after Trump was elected. You saw this movie right after Trump. Oh, it's Moana. Moana.

And then there's two indie movies. Like two. Are they both kids? One is G kids, I think. One is sort of Gbly-esque.

But wasn't. I don't know. Actually was Gbly. Hmm. Right.

It was, no, it was a product.

The first one was Gbly and some French guys.

It's watery too. It's watery too. It's watery. It's watery. He says it's a French.

It's kind of not. Gbly. But it's still, you know, it's kind of like half Gbly. It's called the red turtle. Oh, yeah.

Very pretty. Yeah. And then. Mac and Rita. Mac and Rita.

That was my guess. Oh, oh, the other. Oh, no, no. It's not that. The other one is a French stop motion film that is really great.

Oh, my life is as a kidney. What are the rules? What are the great titles? And my life is as a kidney. And fucking written by doing something.

Yeah. Mac and Rita's the fucking Netflix show. What's the thing I'm thinking of or not?

“That was, it was a dying key that he spiraling here.”

There was that. Well, there's Ernest and Sawasdee. Yes. That's French lovely hanging grace. That's true.

But then there is something called Mac and Rita with dying Keaton. I'm thinking of the one that was kind of sexy. Oh, I know what you're talking about. Let me find out.

Where I want to say it was. Sheko and Rita. Oh, and Rita. It was like this. Little Spanish.

I can't make your name. I can't make it. That was the tagline. I danced pretty close. I do think that in a maybe a slightly less packed year.

It might have gotten the num. But that's a big, you know, big. There's already these two giant things in Moana and Zutopia. So they're kind of like, yeah. Yeah.

You don't need Dory. I might nominate her. Did I nominate Dory? I like this movie. I like this movie.

But I've grown to like it. When I saw it in theaters when it came out. It felt like I hated her anything. But I was just sort of like, that's exactly what I thought was going to be. It was totally fine.

I don't remember walking out the theater. And also your daughter's experience. I've, I've found is not unique. A lot of our friends, your age, which children your daughters age are like, yeah, my kid watches Dory way more than me.

Yeah. Dory rocks. And it was now the kind of person film of it's year domestically. It was beaten only by Rogue One.

It made $486 million domestic.

It made a billion dollars worldwide. It was. It made a full building. A giant hit. Yeah.

Big hit. And like that's great. But Moana, which was sort of like slightly an underperformer at the time. Yeah. Has like, has outgamed it in legacy.

Yes, by a lot. Right. That's a fascinating one. We're only seen like an underperformer because frozen had been so humongous. And Zootopia.

And songs help your legacy out. They do. They do. Because they exist outside of actually watching you can put him in the parks. Yeah.

You can put him on ice. You can put him in whatever, right? Yeah. Put him on a clip. Really good looking live action versions of these films.

You can just look the same. David, let me rephrase what you're trying to get at the idea. You could perfect them. You could finally get them right. Like, what if Disney just was like, just tomorrow.

The guy just was like, hey, by the way, we know that looks bad. We're not gonna really sit. Sorry. With this or flip side, what if they said James Cameron is doing a live action finding Dory.

Oh, that'd be great. And he's doing it all for real. Yeah. Right. It's all real.

He put the computers down. He taught a fish how to act. Yeah. We don't know how he did it. Yelling.

He just keeps yelling at this fish. Now she's fucking blue. Now she's good. Don't you know who I am. Right.

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“Finding Dory. So did you see this film and theaters that?”

I have no specific money to see. But I'm positive I did because I was all in on Dory. I love Dory. Dory rules. June 26th.

I seem to be living in New York. I saw this at the now-dead cine-opolis Chelsea. Or whatever was called back then. The bow-tie Chelsea, the Clear View Chelsea, you know, that theater. Which was the UCB.

It was the UCB. Did you think of it there all this time? Yes. It was great. You know, some of those places where you're like, no one's kicking me out

if I never leave this place.

What was also incredible about it was like-- It was like one employee. It felt like a ghost town. It was like five floors. There was only one employee.

There were never many people there. And then they did a really expensive restaurant. They dressed it up. And it was so nice. And still no one was there.

But it's still open for another four years.

“There was a nice little burger shop underneath it.”

Yes, there was. I liked that place. And there was the last remaining boss in the United States directly across the street. Yeah.

Everything was happening on 23rd between 7th and 8th. I'm just also looking at the domestic box office. The top 10. Rogue One comes out in December. Finding Dory June.

Captain America Civil War was notably a spring release. Secret life of pets. I think July. Jungle Book. Spring release.

Deadpool. February. Zootopia. March or April. Batman versus Superman.

March. I can't believe Deadpool didn't make an appearance in finding Dory. Besides Scott August. Sing. I think November.

December. Like Dory was so far and away. The highest grossing film of the summer. Because every other film in the top 10.

Basically save for secret life of pets.

Came out spring or fall. So what was the summer of 2016? Dory. Dory. Dory.

Dory ran the table so fucking hard. I mean, let me see. It was. Suicide Squad ended it. And I mean.

Yeah. Ended it. X-Men Apocalypse. Neighbors to the Angry Birds movie. Uh, I'm sorry.

Captain America Civil War was the first week of May. Okay. So it was kicked out. I lost through the looking glass and injured turtles out of the shadow. Oh, man.

Hopstar, which rules the bomb. Conjuring to now you see me to warcraft. Central Intelligence. Independence Day. Research.

Yeah. And so bad. Like this is a rough line. The legend of Tarzan. The BFG.

Like these are kind of historic non-starter franchise movies. Lady Ghostbusters. Star Trek Beyond, which is great, but bombed. Under the farm. The final Ice Age.

The only one that didn't make 100 million domestic.

I believe Jason Bourne. That was bad too. And then the summer ends with Suicide Squad. And fucking Ben Ho. Booze also bad.

Great. So Dory was like so far and away. The Queen of the Summer. So where'd you see it? Big man.

Uh, that's a good question. I'm pretty sure I saw it at AMC Lincoln Square. I saw it with my friend Scott Crater. Who's one of my oldest friends in the regular movie body of mine. And I have a very distinct memory of sitting there the first 20 minutes.

Like white knuckle in the armrest and being like this is bad. And I have this experience every time I rewore more invested in the Pixar movies being good. Like I feel like I was kind of at this age where I was kind of like, I don't really care anymore. If they're bad, which I sort of assume it's like what ever. I was really wanted incredible.

It's too to be good because I like Brad Burr. But like generally I would be kind of like, yeah. I felt invested in the inshitification of Pixar. Right. And I was trying to think of analogy because it wasn't like it went from being like great to being terrible.

But it was kind of like the expansion of Shake Shack where you're like this thing felt really special.

“And how are they maintaining this quality and how does it feel different?”

And then it grew and you're like, it's still better than basically every day.

But what are we losing? And I'm worried about it falling further.

“And I think like the first 20 minutes of this movie are pretty aggressively bad and feel a little checklisty.”

Like, what do we need to do to like calm you down? I assume do you mean like post Baby Dory? Because Baby Dory is just right at the time. I mean, you mean the kind of like, let's reset with like where to Marlin and Nemo live. And we're going to bring this to Ray back and we're going to bring the turtles back.

Like it feels like seed running the greatest hits from the first movie.

Right. And we're just hoping this conflict of like feel like ults from the first movie. It's like, is every character forgetting or pretending this didn't already happen. And this conflict of like Marlin's like, Oh, Dory, she's like, she's kind of a pain.

She's kind of like tough to have around whatever. When you saw it, had you recently watched finding like was finding Nemo in your regular rotation. Yes. Because I don't think it was for me. And so this time when I watched them back to back, you're like, that stuff did put me off.

Crazy how much kind of like don't get it. Yeah. It was like, oh, we're just, we're just kind of like running through like, hey, there's the turtles. And there's this guy and there's this guy. It felt like the worst version of what I was fearing this movie would be,

which is just like key-drinkling. Can we just do it again and will you guys be happy? But I think when I saw it, I had probably not seen finding Nemo since it came out. Like, I wasn't rewatching it.

“So I think I was just like, hey, my friends are back.”

I think everything from when it gets to the Marine Institute is basically uniformly very good.

Like, I think you like it when it gets there. It works. Plot kick. But I have rarely had that experience of sitting there and for like 15 to 20 consecutive minutes being like, bad, bad, bad, bad fuck.

I'm spiraling. And then feel the movie just kind of like swore of pull out of victory and stay good. But then I remember defending it at the time. It did feel like even though it was a beer hit. You're there to defend.

It was immediately greeted with this sort of like, what are they doing here? Kind of thing. Can we zoom out? Because I know you were asking these questions. I got some of the things going on here.

Okay. Sure. We'll get going. Go ahead. Go ahead.

You go right ahead. This is all you baby. So I think we're restating in all of these episodes. There is a one movie contract for Pixar to produce toy story which Disney will distribute and retain the rights of the characters forever.

That movie is such a hit that Disney swings back around and says we want to make a five-picture deal. You are an autonomous studio. You were producing films for us. We belong those characters in perpetuity.

They agreed a five original films. They also demand and you please do toy story too. They said we're a small company. We only have the energy to do one movie or try and scale up to two at a time. So they established a B team of younger guys to take on toy story too, which is meant to be

direct to video. Because that's the return to far model. You didn't put animated sequels in theaters. They devalued the brand. There was this real belief in the sanctity of that the theatrical Disney movies need to mean something

and the sequels being on video help kind of keep them feeling. Cleaning of the legacy of the originals. Toy Story 2 is not working. Last summer. Stanton.

The 18 when they're done with a bug's life.

“Come on and say will you let us take this over and fix it?”

We don't think this is up to our standards. We don't want it being released. And if you let us take it on and push it back, we will make it good enough to put in theaters. They do that. It's a massive hit.

It wins. Best picture. Musical or comedy at the Golden Globes. An institution who's awards mean a lot. And they go great.

That was our third film on the contract. And Eisner goes. No, no, no, no. That was not the deal. The deal was five original movies.

Toy Story 2 didn't count. You still owe me three more. This starts the bad blood between Pixar and Disney. They do monster's ink. Finding emo.

Incredibles. Cars. And by the time cars is coming out. Relationships are beyond freight. And they are self-producing.

Ratatouille. Wally. And up. Completely self-financed. And they will just sell them to the highest bitter of whoever they go to.

Every studio in town is bidding on them. All of this stuff super relevant to how this movie comes about. Cats and bird gets pushed out. Iger comes in. Iger's first movie is whatever it takes get picks are.

He gets them. They commit to releasing those three films. But then he also cracks his knuckles and goes. But guys, can we start talking about sequels?

So Disney has now spent like six billion dollars to buy picks are.

Stanton has been placed as the VP of creative. He doesn't want to have to be a businessman. You know, or an administrative guy. But they're basically like you're the king of story here. You oversee all of this.

Lots of Hugg and John Lassider. The founder of Pixar animation, at least,

He is the head of Pixar.

“He is the head of Disney feature animation.”

And he is the head of imaginary. So now Lassider is wearing three hats. Three offices. Three times as many opportunities to Hugg people. Two more hats.

And I've ever worn. It's impressive. His priority starts to become Disney animations really bad. I have to fix this. And what were they putting out at the time?

So they had been putting out like chicken little. Okay. He comes on halfway through production on Meet the Robinson. And tries to sort of course correct that. It's tries to course correct bolt.

The first one that's sort of like this worked.

He was able to kind of help oversee rebuilding it from the beginning. Was tangled. Well, maybe cry. Tangled to big hit. And then it starts the round of like tangled frozen.

You know, not to put the wreck it Ralph. All these things were saying we're suddenly. It's like is Disney the rising studio. Right. Disney better than Pixar these days.

“He's putting more of his energy and attention there because they had been”

the problem place. And Pixar seem to have it all figured out. But the other part of it is they're saying to Pixar. Guys, we just spent a lot of fucking money. And we know that the sequels were a non-starter conversation because of

the bad blood over the Toy Story 2 thing for so long. But now. There's so much fucking money on the table. If we bring any of these characters back.

And there's always this kind of polite like.

We leave it to you the story tellers. We won't do it. And we won't force it until you tell us you have an idea. But we'd really like you to try to come up with an idea. And so that energy is like behind them.

Toy Story 3 they were ready to do. They had wanted to do. And it was being held up by the bad blood. But with that emotion then they're sort of like. And we revisit the monsters conversation.

We revisit the incredible conversation. And we revisit the story conversation. I feel like this is where you get to the sort of creative incubation of the idea. Sure. When it came out, Stanton was like, no.

Right. We're not a sequel studio. That's not what we believe. There was fucking going on about that. Yeah.

They weren't for a while. Well, they're third movie was the sequel. But I just explained this whole thing. I mean, this is all I understand. But they've always had a little bit of sequel.

Why stories feel different to me as well. They feel like a whole separate thing. They do. And that's because right because the third Pixar movie was Toy Story 2. Like it does kind of set it apart.

Yeah.

So Stanton said he was always no sequel, like basically.

And puts it that he said he had to get on board from a VP standpoint. Not a director. Exactly. Right. It's sort of like this good for the company.

Right. I want to keep Pixar afloat. I mean, this is the classic kind of gentrification thing of your the most successful movie studio in history. You get bought for like a tremendous amount of money.

“And immediately they're like, but don't you have to think about what's good for business.”

And you're like, what they've been doing has been good for business. But they start getting in their ear with this logic of, Well, if you make the sequels that helps pay for the originals. Now, the script for Finding Nemo 2, which was written back when Disney was like, yes. Fuck you.

We'll just make it. What is it? They started the company called Circle 7, Circle 7. And it's like, we will make Toy Story 3. Monsters in two lost and scared ice.

Yes. We'll have to know more. And Finding Nemo 2, we're going to make them cheaper. Then Pixar makes was a Katzenberg negotiation move. He said, they're so protective of their legacy that I will develop my own animation.

To the ones we're allowed to sequelize. And make them. And the only way they can stop me is if they decide to make them themselves. And this created so much bad blood. But obviously the second tiger takes over.

That's right. Shut them fucking down. But I want to tell you about this script, which is written by Laurie Craig, the writer of Ella enchanted. Okay.

Now, is anyone sitting there? Yeah. Marlins lost. All that. How old is he?

The hackery of them not even landing on Dory should get lost first. Truly, it is so funny that like, it's just like, okay. No, anyone Marlin are living together. They're feeling that everything's good. Why don't we switch it off?

Marlin's lost. Skull-finding Marlin basically. Nemo's got to find Marlin. Dory gets her memory back by hitting her head. Nemo is given a long lost brother.

Great. I guess so there can be some sort of tension of like, oh, you're my brother. All of these circle seven movies sounded horrendous. There's some dolphins. Uh-huh.

Some polar bears. Sounds good. [laughs]

Why does. Quite an accident. [laughs] You know? Absolutely.

This funny how this time they're like the fucking nature preserves in California.

We're not doing Australia again. [laughs] There's a magical tunnel that whips you all the way to the California. It's just a different segment. Yeah, right.

Uh, so yes. As you say, Iger comes aboard and immediately is like, none more of this circle seven nonsense. Like, I'm shutting all of that down. And this is part of Iger's great strategy.

Is he comes in, shuts them down, says to Steve Jobs, you name your price. I'm not negotiating here with you. I want to make you guys feel so protected that I'm doing everything I can to respect

the sanctity of your characters. I'm not going to push you to do these things. I'm going to shut down any cross exploitation. I'm going to overpay you, but can you please try

“to organically come up with sequel ideas that you like?”

And uh, the way I'm understanding puts it. And I think we mentioned this on a prior episode as, you know, when the finding the mo 3D release comes out in 2010. Yeah, obviously works on too. Yes, over ready.

He's watching it. And yes, he is kind of like, I mean,

Dory basically is lost when the movie begins.

And they do find her being like, where are I? I was looking for my family. At least I think I was. He's like, fuck, I did put it in there. So he's like, I do stop.

You know, I couldn't stop thinking about it. I will admit. Now, let's talk about something in about big bucks. I don't know. Oh, like, yeah, but the other side.

The other thing is he's now sort of got a foot outside of picks are focusing on John Carter, wanting to make this John Carter sized leap to live action. So what he says is, hey, I got a good idea. Because he jumps big. He jumps.

He jumps so big, so far, so high. That guy can really hop on Mars. This guy hops. That's what they should do. Do you see the hoppers?

Like, do you see hoppers? I did. I liked hoppers. It's a lot of hoppers very enjoy.

“Moynihan, Moynihan, right now, kind of pull position best voice performance the year.”

Moynihan, very good enough. He's a bit dory of, yeah. King George. King George, having a big year at the box office. Oh, yeah.

But that's the biggest hit he's had so far. So far. Yeah. 20 months left. King George.

Hamilton. Oh, yeah. That's that if they do that. Sure. Bring it in Buffalo box office.

Oh, yeah. Who's playing King George right now? Broadway. Interesting. I'm seeing it's King George from Hoppers.

They got the beaver. They render him in real time. Originally stands like, well, I'm too busy on the John Carter thing. And John Carter is obviously going to be a trilogy that I have mapped out. And each of these movies is going to take two to three years.

But here's an idea. I like for finding dory. And I bless the development of this as a script. Right. It doesn't originate with him.

It's a higher writer first.

Also, of course, then John Carter bombs. It does. And he says he went into kind of a lost weekend to purge himself. Only one weekend. Yeah.

He might need a program. That's pretty good. Yeah. It takes me about a week and a half to recover from a bad imprompture. And this guy had a historic vomit.

He was like, just give me 48. That's impressive. It is. Yeah.

“I mean, it is yet to make a movie like John Carter where people are like, can we?”

Can we get that Guinness Book of World Records off the shelf? And like, is this the biggest one yet? Like, are we going like, you know, he also, he didn't interview that just came out at the time we're recording. Or it was part of a larger entertainment weekly piece about. About 25.

And he's had, you know, it's a very self-deprecating guy. Sure. But he had a joke about like, if you know me by name, I'm concerned. Oh, yeah. I saw that.

Like, I understand like Pixar as a name brand is a known thing. But like only, you know, dang ass freaks. No, I understand right name. Is this podcast may be fucking up that effort possibly? Right.

But I think there must be something kind of weird to having a failure that big. That's also kind of anonymized. Like, there's not even the personal sort of like, look at how hard a fucking Francis Ford cobalt a fellow on this flight face with megalopolis. And it's reckoned with within the like the story of a man's career.

It's just everyone kind of being like the fuck is this shit? Yeah. John Carter was the failure. Yes. Yeah.

Right. At least in terms of the public. Like, I didn't know who I didn't know. He directed that. No.

You knew simply that, you know, Tim Reagan's went to Mars and didn't work. Yeah. Right. And he hopped. And again, I did like that.

It's got stuff. It's got it's terms. So, Bob Wagger calls staying on the phone. And apparently gives him a quote about from Teddy Roosevelt about being the lonely man and the ring that has the guts to actually do it versus talking about doing it.

He kind of peps him up.

Stanton works on Zootopia.

His college roommate is rich more. Who's the director of Zootopia. So he like helps out with that. He's got a creative consultant. Because that's the other thing was that this time they were like,

Pixar has got it figured out so much that should the Pixar brain trust. They're kind of like way in on everything. Can they give notes on Trump legacy? Right. And he goes to lots of hug and ambassador.

“And he says like, I think I am sorry for finding me.”

But she's that they write up a treatment. And then he's like, all right, I'm going to call him. Because I guess it's a different thing to call Ellen now. Yeah, she's busy. Now, Ellen had for years.

I mean, taking this running bit of why aren't they calling me to make a sequel. She would publicly do this. You know, Hanks would be on to promote toy story three. And he would be like, must be nice. Right.

Must be nice. I don't have any money at all. Yeah. Only selling hundreds of millions of dollars of throw pillows a year. A JJ found a very 2013 sentence, too.

If you want to hear it.

Dory is Disney's most liked character on Facebook had 24 million likes.

People just were like, I want to like thumbs up. It sums up to the character dory. Right. Or knows what that accomplished way. As where I went to college, right?

Ellen's statement on the announcement. I have waited for this day for a long, long, long, long, long time. I'm not mad at took this long. I know the big people picture our busy creating toy story 16. But the time they took was worth it.

Scripts fantastic. Yeah, blah, blah, blah. You also just know. And I don't know if it's ever been reported. But I imagine she got much more love for this.

I thought she'd kind of just do everything for lower the game. I got to stop bragging on Ellen. Ellen has become an incredibly savvy business person at this point in time. And Pixar and Disney notoriously pay an exposure the first time. Right.

Right.

“I think I've shared this anecdote before.”

But I met her a couple of times. but Kristen Shawl said she did Toy Story 3. They pay you what is scale. She'll slow with 17th character. - Correct.

- Yeah. And it's like there is a scale numbered. And despite you being in a Pixar movie, it's the lowest amount that could pay you to be an animated feature film.

And she was like, I bought a house with the first year of residual theme park video games, whatever. You know? - Hold on, I need to talk to people. But then if you're, if there's a sequel

and you're the central character, or you're the breakout character, suddenly you're holding a lot of leverage. - Except maybe not so much anymore, right? With, 'cause inside out, too, didn't they not?

- It was a weird thing. - But also they paid, I think,

me pull like a $10 million.

And then they were like, Bill Hader, here's the sandwich. - Yeah, yeah, interesting. - So the film is co-written by Victoria Strauss. - I really had no credits. She'd worked on an ABC TV show called October Road,

but they wanted a female screenwriter. - It is a fascinating script, they liked. - Pixar thing I was gonna say, where a lot of the writers once, you know, they ramp up production, right?

And this was also a big part of, I think, them conceding to the sequel push was, it's been a big effort to get to a steadiness, to be able to put out one film every year. Wouldn't it be great if we could do two a year?

And they were like, if it's two a year, and the staff is doubling in all of this, then maybe if it helps if every other film is a sequel, or a say for bet, but it also means they have to start reaching outside

of their core brain trust and building a bigger talent pull. And so often, these writers you see who end up being the co-writers with, whoever the director is or the Pixar person is on these movies,

you're like, how they get this job? And it's like, they were obsessively reading spec scripts. They were like checking the blacklist. They were going to plays. They were seeing independent films at Sundance.

It's this fascinating thing,

“and I think Stanton was kind of important”

in sort of spearheading this of, let's not look at animation writers. Let's just look and see good writing and find young people, because also it's a multi-year process.

It's like if you sign onto a Pixar movie, you're moving to like Emoryville for three or four years to keep doing iterative work on it. So it's better to get someone who's ready to like, be an employee rather than just take on a project then.

- Dory, Facebook. - Currently? - Currently, 20 mil. - Huge. - It went down, went down.

- Well, I deleted my account, so that's one. - That is maybe a sign of Facebook's, - Yeah. - It was at 40 or 50 before, 24. - Wait, what is it now?

- Wendy's 20 mil. - A flower. - Oh, oh, but I'll show you the last four.

- I just think, with the general Facebook. - I guess you're right. - Also, some weird follows. - Oh yeah? - Dory's been liking some kind of interesting pictures

on the internet. - I'm not worried. - We have a huge human in now. (laughs) - So, the biggest you stress found is

it's stuff to write a main character, can't remember things and has short-term memory loss. - She pretty quickly comes up with Hank because she's like, she needs a foil and she needs someone who can move her places.

- It is hence octopus. - The smartest thing this movie does is like, how without cheating do we, like, have someone who's her memory and her mobile kind of,

“can we get these characters a little more latitude?”

So, it's not just a complete retread of the first movie

of they're in the ocean and they gotta swim really far. - Yeah, Hank has a little Marlin DNA and that he's like, gruff and not warm. But like, it's a different enough, I would say. 'Cause he's not anxious, he's just kind of like cynical

or over it. - It's an interesting kind of combination of Gill and Marlin from the first one. But it feels like he's a little more stir crazy. - Wait, who is Gill?

- Gill is the Defoe. - Oh yeah. - From the first one. - 'Cause he's got a little bit of the light. You know, I guess he's also a little kind of,

one flew over the Kukus Nest. - Sure. - I just gotta get out of here. - Right. - Yeah, yeah.

- He just wants to go live in peace. - Yes. - I get it. - We see him briefly in this movie, right? Like they're all credited.

- Oh, they're the end credits. - Post credits. - Yeah, yeah. - They're still on the backs. - Right.

They initially did want the parents to also have short-term memory loss to complete the joke of.

“It runs in my family, at least I think it does.”

- When you were watching, - When you walked into the studio today. - Yeah, I was, I had the blue ray. - You were watching deleted quote unquote deleted. - It has 50 minutes of deleted scenes.

- Which is quite a lot. - And even when movies cut that much material, they rarely make it public. And I would say of the 50, 20 minutes were four different strikes at the opening.

And they all have stanton intros where he's explaining the iterative process of what kept changing. And you do realize like they back themselves into a couple corners here.

They're like, first of all,

we wanna make the Dory movie. But how do you give Dory the character agency to go out on her own journey and grow and change and learn if she can't fucking remember anything?

How does she do things of her own volition? So there's all the shit that you see them try where they're like, there's a muscle memory thing. Where her fins start like, she sleeps swimming. In her sleep she starts swimming directions

and then they lose her, but she doesn't know what's driving or there, it's the muscle memory, not a short-term memory. And then he's like, but then the first 30 minutes of the movie, she's not making any choices. It's like she's like fucking, you know, we can burn these two.

Right. And then there are multiple stabs at, well, the reason she got lost is because her parents also have short-term memory. So that helps why they haven't found her,

but then also like, every scene and they have like scenes. Some of these are animated, some of them are roughly animated, some of them are just storyboarded.

Most of them have the real voice actors. And you're hearing Eugene Levy and Diane Keaton do the short-term thing, which is incredibly funny. Sure.

But then you're also just like, all of these scenes get caught in a cold-assass. Yes, yes. Stanton said essentially like, they just, they realized it would make everyone crazy.

You cannot have any emotional catharsis. Right. When I watched the, when I watched Finding Nemo, I was operating under the assumption that her entire species had this.

Yeah, I thought it was like a goldfish thing. That was their starting point. Right. And so then I, I had forgotten that, oh no, this is just story.

Like, Dory just has this issue. So they're all, they ran into some, and complaints over the fact that it is set at a, you know, marine park, like a preserved lakefish.

Right. And so they consciously were like, all of the fish characters will be allowed to leave if they want in our story. Because we don't want to suggest

that like they belong there or have to be there or anything like that. Because it's usually like pretty secretive about their movies until the last possible moment they have to volunteer information

because they're brand is so strong. Right. And that was a case where in my memory, they kind of came out before release. We're like, we are making changes to our story.

They like pre-empted a potential controversy.

They added that third art of release.

Yeah, right, right, exactly.

“So, you know, like, I think those are the big things”

they kind of, I think that was a story present because if it had been to, it could have run the risk of just being a bigger version of the fish tank in the dentist's office. It helps that the problem isn't there being kept here

as much as it is like this is just an entirely different kind of space. And I think what they do smartly and it gets back to, I was saying the Nemo episode that Nemo is weirdly

In the way he constructs the sequences of what is the challenge and how do they get out of this? It does feel like the biggest gift they gave themselves in this film is just to be like, what if there is environment that is hospitable to fish,

but also is largely above ground, surrounded by people,

“tanks are separated, and how do you cross these physical divides?”

Nemo and Marlin don't have to be on the opposite side of the ocean from Dory, but if they're in a gift shop and she's in a tank, it's actually a harder puzzle to solve. Yeah, which keeps it from feeling like just a copy of the first movie.

There was a lot more destiny in Bailey. They say both those characters are great. The way they'll sharpen them, the way they roll. And essentially they just kind of like had to cut stuff, but like that they all had tons of material

'cause they were fun to write. There was an entire storyline where Marlin and Nemo get separated from Dory early when the squid chases them and then they go into the tank gang and they meet like Gil and all those guys.

And it was funny, but they just sort of like kept being like, it is a Dory movie. This is just distracting from that. So they don't use that. It is the thing, especially after watching all these

like failed alternate openings and everything you're saying, I've come to peace with the first 20 minutes

that also just feel like they never totally cracked it,

but they were like, you know what? We just have to get there. The movie doesn't really start until she's at the Marlin Institute. Right. They should be there with her, you know?

That's right. And can we just kind of like jangle some keys for the first 15 or 20 minutes? We're going to have to ban that phrase. We're using it too much.

We're using it too much. Yeah. It's become a totemic for us. You're jangling keys with it sort of. I have a kind of a forecasting though.

“They would be like, well, what about Tyborrell, Google?”

Ellen DeGeneres, Tyborrell. She's interviewed him like five times. They could just listen to the talking. Eugene Levy, they could listen more. Dine Keen, they can listen to that.

Right, because Pixar will famously, now I feel like they do more of a traditional casting process, but they would locate an actor and then do a test animation to their dialogue from something else. Dine, you like, how does it look to it?

Right.

Dine Keen had never done an animation before.

Ever, when was modern family? Did that, had that our dark started? Oh, eight or oh, no. OK, yeah. Right, when does that, maybe 2010?

We talked about this in its funny and John Carter that you were like, oh, no. You can tell which TV show stand was washer when he cast that. Do you like modern film? Were you for a modern film?

Yeah, 11 years. And I, you know, I honestly never watched it, but I, you know, when Tyborrell popped up and Ed O'Neill, I was like, oh, this is very much OK. This was dominating this TV, you know,

he was watching always Sonny. And they were reliable. They were, yeah.

“Yeah, well, and honestly, Dory, Marlin and Nima”

are a bit of a modern family, that's true. They're a fan of a nice, this week and that. You got to shoot people from the wire. You got it yourself. And the last is the other one.

Yeah, that's pretty funny. Did you ever watch Modern Family? I never did.

Like you've never seen Modern Family.

I've seen a few episodes here and there, but I never like committed to it. Yes, same. But I watched that for like two seasons before I was kind of like, I think I got it.

It is funny that in my memory, like you thinking this movie came out like a year after finding Nemo, I'm like, oh, right. This was like right after Modern Family popped, and this is one of the first kind of like postmodern family

glow sort of jobs for the cast reaching out. And I'm like, oh, this is closer to the end of that film than it was the beginning. It had been on the air for seven years. It would be off the air four years later.

Alexander Gold, the voice of Nemo and finding Nemo. Was it grown up? Was it grown up? He remembers the moment because he would do the voice for the toys.

Yeah, like the moment, like a couple years later, where they were like, you can't do it. Your voice is getting too deep. That must. What she said was devastating.

He just plays that fucking Christian shawl. Oh, I heard a story. When I got a house recently. But to just be told, like, there's a ticking clock. Yes, sorry, buddy.

You don't sound like Nemo no more. We will always need someone to voice Nemo. It is not going to be you once they catch on to my pitch for Old Marlin, he'll be back in business. Oh, sure.

Is that kind of like a, like a sort of Logan S sort of, like a snake hole, right? Okay. Marlin, honestly, that would be perfect. Because Marlin, if he, he is so brutal at times in these movies, if he starts to lose it,

so even his amount of politeness has gone, you could have some real savage Marlin moments. I'll say this. Marlin just cut loose. Yeah.

Kirk's also sounds a lot older in this one. He does. And you're like, he has age. He's still funny in this. But he does feel harder edged in this.

Just from the nature of him sounding more like a grumpy old man than a Nebuchie guy.

go so very, forgets the best, that's what you're best at. That's like one of the most brutal. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. And this is also post-drive books.

Hmm.

“Sigourney Weaver, they just thought that was funny.”

But it is. The voice is a group in America, the American version of Boo Planet. And also the voice of the ship and Molly, obviously. She's the voice, he actually doesn't mention that.

But yeah, that's true. I'm getting a voice. Yeah, forever. Yeah. She's the voice of the Planetarium at the Academy of Sciences

in San Francisco. We wanted those people. So he was like, he could just play herself. We don't know. They didn't ask her until near the end.

Yeah. They just had a scratch voice. And they were like, I hope she says, yes, and she did. I also just think every time they do, they brought one and a house.

She was actually weirdly without one. She had never found one. She was living in a box. Yeah. Every time they do the joke of someone

“invoking security waiver by her full name, it gets me.”

Yeah, it was fun. I don't know. There's an incredibly long quote that JJ put in. He realizes this quote is too long. So I'm going to try and just, he was like,

this is newsletter fodder. But I'm just going to try and tell you that I'm going to boil this down. He gets a call. He wanted to do finding, you know, he gets his agents

like finding it.

He's like, I've never seen animation.

They're just cartoon to stop my thing. But my kids like it, whatever. He is in mid-record Ralph. He's Mr. Litwack. He is. He's the guy who you are kid.

And so he assumes they're like, look, you're playing an octopus called Hank, you're being paid by the session. And he assumes like, great. Is it like Mr. Litwack? Like, I did that in like one day, right?

He shows up and he's like, it was like really intense. Like the work is grueling. The character is going through a lot of like motion. And stuff. So it's like a lot of like, watch out. And you know, yelling and stuff.

And after three hours, he was like, all right. And they were like, you're going to have to come back. You know, like, yeah, you're going to keep coming back.

“And then after a while, he's like, is this like not a camey on?”

They're like, no, this is like one of the neat roles. That's so funny. He is so goodness. They have said, and he didn't know Tyborrell was in it.

Like he's like, he's kind of like, he never talked about it.

And then they watch a preview. And he's like, what's the octopus doing? And they're like, oh, he's a mimic octopus. He can like, you know, blend with things. He's like, oh, that's cool.

I didn't know that either, you know? So that I feel like can be the experience of being in one of these movies. If you are not plugged into the Pixar world, but our famous, yes, and you get the call of like, hey, offer, you know, we don't have to audition you. You want to be this octopus?

And you're just like, sure, you don't know what you're in for. It's just fun. It's also because of this such an iterative evolving story process. You like do choose your own adventure versions of the movie. You know, you go in and you do like 15 pages.

And then a year later, they call you and show you something new. And you're like, how does that track? And they're like, well, that previous thing is gone. We've made him this and we took this out. They've said it was the most difficult character they ever had to animate.

That it was, I mean, that makes sense. A nightmare. It's so crazy. It feels like, you know, we talked about how standing likes these kind of self-imposed animation challenges.

A big thing he said for the first movie, Zach, is that he was like,

I don't want to anthropomorphize the fish. I don't want to give them movements that are like a human. Let's just push 10% beyond what a fish could do. But try to get everything we can out of just fins and face and whatever. And it feels like, well, now you have a character who's hypermobile.

And instead of there being a limitation, it's the challenge of, do as much with him as possible. And the choice to make him just like constantly in mission impossible mode is really good. Also, he has no mouth, which is such that's like a standing thing of like, Oh, their mouth is at the bottom.

Anyone else would be like, well, you can't have a character without a mouth. We got a cheat. And you can tell that he's like, I kind of like the idea of just the eyes. And it's like the eyes and then sort of like a nose bump. But it's basically, it's like, grommet.

Love grommet, too. We all are grommet. Just a grim movie star. Angus McLean, who goes on to direct walling. I mean, sorry, like you're unfortunately, yeah, is the co-director.

So, you know, he's doing a lot of work. The film does, you know what I'm hearing. The film does have a lesbian couple. As we know, this was the original disgusting, like you're, yes. We see two women pushing a stroller together for two seconds.

Truly. And even though it was elected month later, obviously, all of that was sort of- Fuck, they did genuinely get very excited about this and the most annoying shit they were. But they were kind of a conservative couple because they were horrified by the octopus. That is true, they can't accept that some might have an octopus for a baby.

They're just sort of like, "It's funny to hear it." Right, you know what, actually, we've all got our kind of boundaries. I mean, if you get them sometimes, yeah. It is funny how much that was blown up. It also is fine to re-watch it and be like, I mean, I read it as two moms,

but also, one of them's got like a short haircut or whatever.

You could be like, these are two moms who brought their kids out separately. Obviously, it is no big deal. Yeah, it would only have been annoying if they had done the beauty and the beast thing of like,

“"We promise you, gang representation is in this movie, and then that's what it is."”

Or the Avengers thing. What do you mean the guy says something and Captain America nods? Yeah, he's like, "Mm-hmm." Yeah, I'm so sad that my dead gay boyfriend is dead, but still gay, and I'm still gay even though he's dead. One of the funniest things in the world is for a movie like that to pat itself on the back

for finally presenting a gay character and the director to cast himself as the gay character. A straight man and be like, pretty impressive, huh? David? Yes. Ha! Ha! Oh, God, this is life throwing another thing at me. Oh, no, did you catch it? No, I got hit with it, I got felt it pretty hard.

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worked better than the actual opening of the movie. But the first half of them are sort of, there's

one I really like where you feel like are we just watching Finding Nemo again. It's Marlin running into Dory in their first conversation and then they run into the sharks and it's a little bit abridged, but they're literally reusing the same animation and then Marlin starts beating the shit out of the sharks and you realize it is this is how Marlin tells the story to everyone now. It's kind of funny and it's a sort of like visiting parent day at the school and we get a little

whiff of that. He makes a total of sharks instead of three. So he's telling the story. You get to see it acted out. It's really funny and then Dory's there and the kids are like what about you Dory. So you're like Nemo's mom and she's like no and they're like are you her aunt. They start asking

“questions about the family structure in a way that makes sense that kids would do. But I honestly”

do like that we don't ever get into that. No, but I like that it's just like they're just a family. We don't need I love that it's just a fun family. What it is. Yes. They're not hitting right? We don't think. I don't think. I don't think yet. I also think this movie. Old Marlin this movie suggests to me that Dory is much younger than Ellen DeGeneres is.

Well I mean fish age less than human. Yeah. So but in the first movie I'm like oh this is like

240 something fish. No I think she's probably in her late 20s in finding Dory. Right. Okay. Yeah. How long do you think a blue tank can live? Is it really depressed? No years. They can live more than 30 years in the world. So they can live for a long time. It says 8 to 30 which is kind of a big range but but commonly they live between 15 and 30 years. So she could be you know like 10 fish years making her sort of like early middle age or whatever

“because what I think about is also sort of like how long because they say it's been years. They do say”

when she finally makes it to the fish who like know her parents that was years ago. And we get three voice iterations. You do. We do. There's a child's story which I do think they nailed the casting on. They did the child is really good. But the teen is the perfect bridge between the child and Ellen. Yeah, I was seeing like 120 right. Yeah. It's just interesting to watch all these openings that are all like Kevin Kump find it. How do you reset the board so quickly and also start to drive that.

Why Dory is suddenly activated by the lack of her parents and all this sort of stuff. And he was like you know the classic stan thing of like I want it to be a series of flashbacks that revealed himself gradually or is it one flashback that comes later? Does the movie open with the flashback and that's a dream and it all comes later? And there was one that I thought was really stylistically interesting that was like well what would your memory be like

as a child? And then on top of that she's got short-term memory loss so she's getting glimpses but they're abstracted and it's not a literal scene playing out. And then it just feels like in the evolution at some point someone drew up a storyboard where the opening shot is baby Dory and everyone was like well you've lost the argument unfortunately you have just found gold and the movie now starts with that no matter what. He's not saying this but it definitely felt like suddenly they're

all well as long as that's the first shot you can do whatever you want after that.

Look I saw this woman theaters I did nothing for me I rewatched with my daughter and I liked it and

“then just I remember after my twins were born when I was a very fragile person I watched this”

with my daughter put this on my wife and I watch it we were like sobbing and holding each other at the end of the movie. My my daughter to be clear was just like man in it but like my wife and I'm like Jesus Christ like you're just so like from a ties by the idea of like a child losing their parents by the idea of like the parents waiting for years is it manipulative? I might accuse it of being

old eyes. I think this movie is it's obviously not as strong as the first one it's not as tight as the

“first one I feel some of it's sort of like searching construction and I think this is part of the”

Pixar sequel shift thing is once they get them to agree to do sequels these things get dates those dates are announced years in advance shareholders are promised we will have a movie that will

make a billion dollars in this quarter and like stickers are put on bananas with the characters

and bathing suits are made and those movies become a movable right basically maybe if something's really going poorly you can push it back six months but also if an original film is struggling they'd rather push that back and go sorry bad news Dory needs to come out four months later and I think this is the kind of like shake shackification of Pixar a little bit is the movie starts sometimes feeling a little bit good enough in spots versus the classic Pixar thing being like

we will beat this like a drum until we get it as tight as it could possibly be and I don't think

“everything in this movie works but a thing I think it does incredibly well which is the greatest”

justification for making this movie and making it distinct from the first one is it it's like basically a movie about being a caretaker for a special needs adult right yes that it is a special needs child who is lost and a found family and this notion of like the responsibility of having to care for someone in the fear of them not being able to care for themselves and it not being the finding the most thing of well he's little he's still young he's not ready yet versus Dory

be like will she ever be able to do any of this stuff on her own I do also think it's about finding it's about like figuring out how to care for yourself as as someone who you know my my reading the film is that Dory is a bit neurodivergent she is and it's something I watch I watch finding Nemo with my wife when we were talking about the dark character my wife has ADHD

and she related so hard to Dory right in terms of just like this experience of kind of not always

knowing like what you were just doing and like blah blah blah so I think it's it's a lot of that too where it is about the family but it's also especially about Dory like learning to be confident in herself it's doing all three sides of it really well the parents with the concern of a child can we also can we just shout out that the the um design of the Eugene Levy fish with the sort of male pattern oh as you put it we're seeing her lunch so funny yes and the casting also when they announced like

it's Eugene Levy and Diane Keaton playing Dory's parents you're like yeah that math works out that makes sense but I think their perspective of being parents looking at a young child feeling the concern of will she ever be able to do this on their own then the chosen family going like we know what we even inherited right this is part of the burden of our life we love her we want her here but this is

now an added thing on our plate we always have to be concerned about her and Dory figuring out

how to do things on her own I think all three are dramatically really well done and are tricky kind of land-minded things and I also commend this movie for as much as it was pushing its politics on her throat with that lesbian couple it wasn't really doing buzz wordy representation matters shit well no I mean they are all fish yeah but but this is not like we're gonna have like a fish in a wheelchair or something maybe we could I mean look I yeah I guess it could be a

little one is there everything starts to just break in society right well because you're talking about ghostbusters like yeah I feel like that's the most prime example of like they're like we're doing a girl ghostbusters and it became like a fight or like you know an internet kind of touch point in a way that I think a lot of people like me were just kind of like why what who cares if there's a girl what does it matter if there's a girl ghost why are you all activated by

this why do you angry what's happening to the beginning of the culture war as defined and then in retrospect I'm like not you know not that I'm like there shouldn't be girl ghostbusters but I am like I guess some of this stuff started to feel a little try hard of like you know you've all waited for girl ghostbusters and I'm like I have the same indifference from like I haven't honestly right I'm not against it I'm fine with it but I also but you also you don't

need to go like take a victory lap about this like per se when I think especially as it's like Trump is elected everything becomes more divisive donald Jay Trump was actually in 2016 elected

“presence of the United States of America I remember that I'm like Disney starts to do the”

preemptive back padding you know a little bit like Joe Russo starts to be like I'm so fucking gay

which means he did to the boy right and then becomes feedback loop of these movies are annoying they're they're shoving it down they're throw it they're doing it disingenuously or whatever

“I just feel like this movie gets there very honestly and doesn't try to weaponize it in any”

manipulative way as you're saying it's more manipulative in the just basic it's just the losing a child yeah they kind of family perils right but they just they just took the character of Dorie seriously they did a smart kind of like let's do the math on this here's the character we built what what actually makes sense if you kind of like spread the pieces out and I know you've complained a little bit about how much this movie does the we're going to explain every single random

bit of Dorie from the first movie who's a bit slum dog millionaire like it's a big whale that is a

good person yeah it's like every one of these things which in the first mood just felt like a miracle where did this come from it just felt like Ellen had a good idea every try I think most of them hurt that or a lot of them certainly yeah yeah and then they're like no no no no you don't understand she does speak whale she had whale friend where's the in the pipe okay you know can read because she's surrounded by plaques but also audio narrating the plaques right yeah

“which is fine it's fine but I do like the movie because I think it's very visually inventive”

with in the you know you know do you know yeah there's some awesome influences yeah all of the kind of Pixar thinking of like right how do we get x to y how do we you know move characters through rooms and situations like you know the coffee pots they octopate you know the floppy I love the Nemo and Marlin using the fountain to travel like all that stuff I'm like you guys are just kind of if nothing else at the top of that game right now yes you know even if things are getting

a little lazy with your sequels or whatever like you're so visually adept I think I think stan is also particularly good at is the and is credited for this within even the larger Pixar films that he's not ostensibly the main writer main director on that he was sort of the guy who could lock in on the like okay if you're Mr. potato head how do you feel you know if your Mr. potato head that means your pieces are falling out all the time which means you're probably angry is a done rickles

and I feel like bug's life which he's very involved and has that same sort of logic of like what would the inner emotional struggles and psychological hangups of each bug be based on the lady bug has got a chip on his shoulder kind of being deadly right but this movie does

similarly after doing so much of that in the first one where you're like what is there left to do

in the sort of like inferiority complex of fishes she liked my impression it's like I really did just I just want coffee okay just plain black coffee why's it gonna have to have fucking crunching it

“whatever remember you know so good at that that was what's that problem it's from like lyrics”

so like lyrics first especially you know no cure for cancer yes you know which is all his stuff that he's not famous yet and he's you know I tried watching that recently it was tough you know I grew up a lyrics time it's tough to watch that's of it's not not even like oh this has an aged well like culturally offensively just like that offensive we going through more just that exactly but then lock and load is second special is the one where he's now kind of famous as kids and like

and so it's more him being like I go to fucking dunk and donuts they got maple coffee what's going not you know that kind of thing did you ever do commercials with that as the premise a hundred percent of like did you ever have any of the commercials yes yeah but I feel like there was a commercial you know there was whatever happened to this it that was his whole thing he's pretty good at it and the best thing in lock and load is when he rains about the Catholic church because you're like oh he

really hates the Catholic church you know and like that's a little more motivated by like childhood and family yes it was still a pretty touchy thing to do at that point time it's right it's a little more hot low you know but the right the stuff I love when I was a kid I was like yeah Dennis tell them yeah give it to me the like 12 year old person who's different coffee it is like yeah you just get a black coffee at that diner or whatever and then you just stop

doing comedy and just voice lady bugs and Saber two tigers and I guess did oh yeah I mean I love rescue me in a lot of ways like that's another show where you watch it now and you're like oh they go to jail all this jail I'm gonna have to watch that yeah it's starting now Captain it's got some good yeah he's not in this movie no although if they made it in the 90s he probably would be the fucking octopus I mean right like you open with the sort of core trauma they end up you know

after him trying to outthink himself doing a version of what he ended up having to do in the first

all the time they're trying to teach her things just keeps whimming in the shells that she can trace is like a handsle and grettle bread crumb trail back to them but she gets caught in the the over tied the under tied under under her nose no under toe is a different thing it's the under

“current I think they say but she's in the display that's what I was confused that's when you find out”

later why would it have a current that pushes the fish into the vents it's the right it's the vent

that's what it is I think ultimately it's the vent it's like a filtering yeah there's their sort of

misdirecting you at the beginning to not think that they're not an in natural environment which maybe they because I've the fish all seem to know that they will get released so they may maybe they're just training her for her eventual sure life in the true ocean when she's little yes that I buy that yeah but then you basically run to right the section of the movie that feels like a Beatles cover band or something to me it's like waking up for school going mister Ray yes now sure it's not like the most

original stuff it still has bits that work you know it's like when you have Ellen doing Dory yeah I'm happy do you know what I'm saying though about how the bits all just feel like all it's from the

“first movie because they're not doing yes the sequel thing of oh we flipped this characters dynamic”

or there is slightly different way I'm like every line that the turtle say feels like something

that could have been cut from the first one yeah they're just going to say they never like 22 seconds

it's there yeah they're they're barely part of it but yes but but for me I was still having fun with Dory like Dory rolls her Ellen's line readings in this movie almost every line yeah I'm just like yep that's the good stuff I agree I would agree I will agree that's the good stuff yes and like there I guess there is a world where you could say like you know what Ellen has been not doing movies she's been doing a chat show for 10 plus years at this point this movie she you

she could phone this him I do not feel that she phones this and no no not at all yes like I feel like she gets this character very well still like even in that early sequence that you know is kind of playing the hits that just that bit where where he's like don't go too close the edge and then she pushes them so far away from the edge and then she's like no that's too far and and brings them back like just I could watch Ellen do that endlessly yeah and you know the first

movie that characters clearly meant to be more of like a dilemma and just comic relief and the whole surprise was that she brought as much emotional grounding well-roundedness to it that you're like you could make her the center of the movie this will work putting the story weight on her won't stop her from being funny there's a universe in which there's a concern of a doctor Ian Malcolm problem uh-huh if he's not the guy to the side and it's the guy who asked me

where the story does he not it's very interesting. Goldman is the best because it's not just Malcolm even itself so uh-doctor Ian Malcolm and independent say for what does David that doctor scientist mister I just rewatched independent say it forgot that he says Moscow faster in it literally that they're just like can you can you say it again yeah say the thing you said in dress work whatever you're just saying I can't we just make the whole movie out of this guy right

and then right when he's Goldman is kind of the lead of resurgence you're like you know he needs to be in the mix like yeah right uh obviously Jurassic Park Dominion fixed it oh fixed it he was so good

“in that I don't even remember what he didn't that uh honestly it's the live-action moan of”

Jurassic movies wait what does he do in that one because he's he on Lucas patrol in that one yeah is he yeah because I remember Neil and all of them are but he's in there too he brings them together to get what physically get the locus and Samuel spends like a 70-year-old Samuel spends the entire movie being like I don't know how to tell her that I have a crush on him and I'm like weren't you fucking in the first movie the whole thing is that like in three they established that she married

some other guy and had kids right that they broke up or whatever and this one Goldman was like you know she's divorced now that's how he was like oh I wouldn't even know how to tell how I feel this is we're gonna this we're gonna get to this in old marlin is we're you are you a Jurassic Park Dominion fan I don't remember when I I've seen every Jurassic Park movie that's the one about the locus that barely has done so they basically realized that the company that

Wayne Knight smuggled the shaving cream can do in the first movie had been the one we never we never

fuckeries is this the second world this is the third world yeah yeah and the second world is the one that has like a haunted house movie inside right it comes in auction at a manor in the country I don't remember anything so I will have dinosaurs are in the hole of them in theaters you put dinos on the screen I'm there so that movie has gold blue mannet but he just has a cameo speaking in front of congress being like we should stop the dinosaur and then at the end he

says welcome to Jurassic world and and the premises that the little clone girl has freed all the dinosaurs all right that are now on mainland America yeah and so we have to live amongst the identify community next movie they're all dying cracked right and they're like they mostly just like hang out in the woods they don't bother us so what's this movie about the rival

genetic company use the shaving cream DNA yes to do other fuckery but never try to do dinosaur

shit and one of their things was that they also do like monsanto style food fuckery like artificially grown or whatever and they were trying to defeat one of their competitors by creating super locus that would attack their competitors crops right but the locus got too big and now they're eating all the food and we will all starve interstellar style to death in less unless all of our main characters from both early balls right stop the locus think the

reason I'm the dinosaur shows up for a minute I don't remember the details is one because I think I I've been confusing you with the news I if I'm giving you profundity snap you know

“there's this moment in one of those I think it's the one you said where he says”

about the rest of the world I did you notice this moment where like the character is handed like this kind of rectangular piece of paper then he goes has a person in face on it right no no it's and he goes to like a bank of america and he like has a little conversation with someone and they like they like put it into it was just a lot yeah I mean he goes ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding that was like credit right yeah I didn't know what that was going out of it yeah I don't know what that

is yeah dominion ends with Lord Dern and she's got the chase banking apple pen and he's scrolling

it down just a refresh and then she goes he's the five million goal oh that's it it was a great

after credit looks so she's doing that like a sequel Chris Pratt's like we need your help and just has like an envelope of money's like this is for you by the way I will say actually take this I will be disappointed if the space ball sequel doesn't do that that feels like she did perfect movie I mean that happened to me a little bit in the newest classic in the the the the scarjo yeah yeah kind of

“have to be like alright everyone we're gonna pay you a lot right like if you want to die no”

the scarjo's like no I've seen them there what do you mean yeah so many of these movies like I'll give you a 20 million dollars yeah all right that's not a gun openly cynical that movie is about like the only reason you would ever do this again is if they were paying you fuck you money no one's hard is in it except for Jonathan Bailey who they all mock yeah he's like I kind of like dinosaurs like whatever call me Jonathan Bailey because I'm I'm still like a dinosaur but I'm

excited for the what's the house on the end of the street with the dinosaurs I think whatever that trailer tack it's from the director of it follows and under the silver lake and it's a bourbon family and half of the house it has a kind of annoying house that end of oak street the end of oak street and halfway you and McGregor and their kids and their house oh it's just called the end of oak street okay there we go there's like some sort of time dilation transported

to dinosaurs don't really know anything more this one suburban street gets transported to prehistoric times it looks awesome I'm really into it uh me into it I'm also really just into the idea of can someone please break the Jurassic franchise is monopoly on dinosaurs right and others do dinosaurs well we have the Kong verse yeah that's true and they do have dinosaur dinosaur I feel like as they've gone on they've swung further away from dinosaurs and more to come create our own creatures and I know

but the they're right up they're dinosaur they are adjacent but I always like King Kong just

fucking punching a T-rex what if you love beast you if you had a glove it would be he gets a glove it would be as good as it was when he had a glove for if you get glove first then axe or other way around other way or axe first then glove right he right because he built the axe is made out of like a Godzilla spine or something one one scale right that he puts inside a big log and then the second one

“he's got the beast glove and I'm hoping that in the next one he gets shoes I think he needs a hat”

uh a little fedora a little a drawn to like he gets a little pretentious like I was thinking more

like a cannon can we start shooting him out Kong can that's fun like Godzilla shows up and it's like

one second that my goal is out of big cannons is like I didn't right there's a big way he has to light it

oh that sounds when he's atomic proud yeah and then he puts his fingers in his ears his fingers have to go in his ears yes I mean now it sounds like we're just workshopping a donkey Kong movie like I think like we're moving away from King Kong and towards donkey could I did I did like that's super Mario Galaxy did put in the weirdly realistic T-rex from um Odyssey oh yeah yeah sure yeah yeah the right the the little baby uh Mario the baby's fuck with a paper realistic yeah

hyper realistic T-rex right I just think maybe the greatest moment in the history of movies is in the Peter Jackson King Kong when he fights the T-rex and he like breaks his jaw from the inside and then before he throws him off a cliff he just plays with it a little bit like a fucking pop it

“we got to get that back in the movies that's what woke took from Kong Kong rips some”

some whatever the skull island guys are he does that to them little gold crawlers yeah he looks like gold crawlers oh yeah I just like went to speed and play with it as much the playing with it yeah yeah sort of like an animal right we do is an animal what do we want to say about yeah we're 20 minutes yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy they're like you will have more

oh babe right she's like I gotta get to California the whole first movie is how hard it is to

get anywhere and they're just like let's just fucking use the turtles it feels like such like guys come on I'm sorry they insist that we put the turtles in for merge reasons we're gonna use the turtles as a shortcut they basically make them like hyper speed and then the second they get off the turtle current I'm like the movie's good and stays good yeah it does stay good it moves along

“in the right way and it yes yes I think the turtles are sort of the riders of row hand in my”

in the it with her it's sort of I thought the same thing I was like this is as kind of like what an eagle can just fucking show up and take them there we have whatever it works for me but I think Hank immediately hits I do like how sneaky he is yes it's I think is he the first person we've seen try to sort of use stories conditioned against her yeah I feel like everyone else is kind of just like oh hey yeah it's kind of like he tries to momentum her a little bit and it's another smart

kind of like picks her logic thing of like oh does that tag is there a power in that kind of tag he wants to get back or he wants to stay in he wants to go to Cleveland so he doesn't live in in peace yes right he must stop in check I can deeply relate but yes right you're opening the box he's on trustworth Cleveland he's shattered I love the way he moves yes the way he moves is really fun to watch and I love how far as old he is he sure he's kind of me he has kind of where

he's just like you this Chris yeah the bigs like I need to do all this stuff and he's like okay his character is 90% under i bags yeah which is good for his facial animation yeah um he's is up to post of course because I like how touchy he is about that right and he helps her find Bailey and Destiny um he's the moment where she jumps in with the dead fish right how she gets to them right because I like that too because that is it's just dark enough

like that's the amount of picks hard dark I want where she's like just like dead I get it you know where you're like let's yeah we can acknowledge this he's just talking with Destiny written on it right she jumps in yeah it's also this good line they maintain of like Dorie can't be too dumb right like Dorie must understand things this funny but especially in a movie thank you where I think I appreciate your help because I was thinking that undershows a beach thing

yeah I think it's a but there is a real thing that they address where it's like all the fish moving around does create like a kind of bottom of the sea yeah the humans don't think about right that like

“moves shit around yeah but that's what they're all right though she's scary yeah very scary yeah”

I love it though get me in there yeah get me in there I don't like to go down there do you ever do any

sort of like scuba yeah almost no net that never and like a snorkeling I barely go in a pool

I love to go to sleep I feel like you're like me where we like traveling it's like the greatest luxury of like work we're really going well it's a nice place it is nice to get to do it by accident but I feel like you and I are the same we're what we like doing is being a city explorer yeah like I don't want to necessarily go to the tour shed and I don't want to like fucking swim in some fucking thing wait in the severance episode where you guys went up state I mean

you went to yeah you know the for the park the key the key or park or whatever uh did you swim because there was a lot of water stuff yeah I didn't get the water just in the snow you're just in

yeah so come on yeah you can walk on it it's easy it's no big deal you need it it's a lot of snow yeah I will watch it one thing is always bad interesting I mean finding dory would argue author flies I suppose so I mean okay so just that it gives you way more dory

than the first time and it still works so Destiny's deal is that she's near sight and is always

bonking and right which is another good reverse logic characterization time yeah Bailey is embarrassed about his not knows not just I love everything about how strange I like his weird design I like the thing almost always keep him in profile where it feels like he's a 2D character weirdly in a 3D movie and I I really like Ty Burrell's performance but the the logic of

“he now thinks he's lost his echo sonar because he bumped his head and that's why his head”

looks like that and he's self-conscious about it even though that's just the species he is is really funny to me yeah and it's it is fun that because they're at this sort of like rehab facility yeah everyone is a bit of a misfit so it's like it is really nice the way they all support each other and

and basically like hype each other up and be like you can do this it's the other thing that

post blackfish stops it from feeling like a they are stuck here they're being held prisoners is the unifying thing is that all of these creatures are kind of like I don't want to be out there their misfit toys right that's scary and I'm not ready right I like it's not fish that's a funny bit yeah fish sneezes yeah do they sneeze you know what I'm gonna go to google that comment about do fish my my favorite like no what they don't have lungs so they don't and they don't

really have noises I know obviously in Nemo they have these things one season right but yeah so they don't really have the ability to do that yeah sorry my my favorite little one-seeing guy is the overly

“personable clam oh yeah I think it's so good oh when they're right when Marlin and Nemo get”

they they get stuck with him right yes he was originally supposed to be there next door neighbor in the opening and one of these fake openings or unused opening I like that he's a come up yeah right that he doesn't have eyes or anything else that he's just a clam that opens up and is just like this guy's not it's not a bad guy but I just really don't want to be stuck talking yeah yeah I got him he's like a guy at the table next to you with a restaurant who won't stop

being like that looks good yeah and you try to use your sort of body language cues to slowly you know rotate to like decrease the interaction what slowly over time which is not really picking up on it and it's so funny to do that with a character that doesn't have a face yeah that is great look do you know what they they broke this bit in with him and then even when they cut that opening they were like this guy's too good we have to figure out another

way they get stuck with him do you know the scientific term for the bulbous part of a tooth whales head that continue to take a little bit the daily snow you know this sort of big thing what does it call I'm going I'm going I'm not going to literally just call it a meld that's fun yeah it's fun David yeah quick question and be honest I'm a swear I will tell the truth and nothing but it thank you

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“message yes and you can do things and and you should be sort of accepted and affirmed”

and then Gerald shows up no like you fucking freak hit the fuck out here what's wrong with your fucking eyebrows don't touch our eyes Gerald a radio is the other thing I don't know what's going on with Gerald yes but the radio you refer to the key of a good engineer movie of course yes the device for listening to audio transmission no I am aware of the fact that he is not an electronic device they don't treat him very well they don't they don't and I think your characters and honestly the

film itself but it's a one you know it's what I mean it feels like they're trying to find a new

version of the seagull joke right the seagulls is basically like doesn't it kind of sound like

seagulls are saying mine and so like with the the sea lions the way they borrow it's trying to do that again they need to be an helpful not a successful yeah right I guess this is stuff that feels similar to me you know it's like yeah we should have like these parasite characters that we lay information that are you know kind of like a big joke it's a it's a little like right because you're combining some of the uh Nigel this sort of idea of the creature that can exist in both

but is the observer and the know it all and the go between for information Nigel's the Jeffrey Rush Pelican oh right character yes so it's like combining that with like they sit on the rock and they see

“everything with also them being the seagulls I think the performance is a really funny”

I like them being two blocs sure you know yeah I have no issues with them I guess the argument is couldn't he have been like a donny in the big labowski trio could they still be an asshole to him while he is a character who can speak and isn't coded as perhaps to fell mentally to say yeah yeah yeah I mean I think probably and then but I think Becky they do a much better job with because Becky Becky is very much like a microcosm of Doris story almost where like they learn

Marlin is like you can't do anything and then they learn oh just trust her and she'll she'll figure it out Becky is a loon a bird literally named for being crazy essentially so bad interesting good

do we never hear her do the loon call the oh I guess kind of they are crazy it is like I've like

vacation on likes with loons and it does sound crazy when they're just doing that at night it's another

“thing that I think helps with Becky is that the loons are all crazy are all nonverbal and Becky's”

just a little weirder and she's hot someone finally says it I mean we had to we had to get her eventually I assume Becky would have a really big part in old Marlin yeah I mean they have chemistry she comes walking there they have chemistry they have sort of a like Marlin almost enjoys the fact that she doesn't listen like you know it's like they're developing a subdom title like a word and Taylor like the fighting is the juice yeah they're they're headed towards

Phantom Thread basically of yeah they have this sort of dynamic that you know he he likes being like Becky you do this thing and she's kind of like oh I'm not going to do it or I'm not you know and it's also I think just like a smart refinement for them of Dory isn't lost they're close enough to Dory they're versions of the movie they clearly ran through where Dory swims off they know where she is but there's a parallel narrative of Marlin and Nemo need to get there versus what we're saying

of like it's a very different type of environment it's harder to traverse but they're never that far

tension isn't how do we find Dory it's what you're saying the testing of like you're applying

your Marlin logic to this and it's not going to work Marlin has to accept her line of thinking Becky's line of thinking yeah sure totally I mean and there's this sort of mystery element to the whole narrative of like she needs to remember like why this shells means something to her why that right like and it's very satisfying to sort of I feel like there's too many flashbacks like there's too many feeling and there's maybe a hard line of that and then I

“remember that like your daughter has seen this movie 20 times maybe that this narrative is not”

digestible for a five-year-old if you don't do that you really shocker it really changes your

perspective on children entertainment when you watch the movie with the with the children

that entertainment is intended for and you're like right of course like it's on her way like that's not on my way because I've been like beyond about 37 year old mancing animated films being alone you like to take a plot hole like you don't excuse me you don't need to spoon feed this I'm literally sitting next to a baby being spoon fed it's like you know I was spoon feeding that girl her food more recently than you know whatever like you know she's eating it that was my

experience watching goat though where I saw goat this is a little overstated and I look next to it and there's like a woman feeding a baby moust in the chair next to me in the theater

“as it was good shut the fuck up when goat was available for purchase for thirty whole dollars”

on iTunes I was like purchase you don't wait for the steel no I I don't buy children's films on steel like the whole it's all digital quick needs to be on the iPad yeah it needs to be like she's like I won't go and I'm like gotcha go it's ready watch there it is get that free digital code are you going to buy the goat steel no I don't like it okay come on go that's it for stop people before you see go uh I didn't go it's good I'm I mean technically the game is

called war ball yeah I was going to say we might want to take a little dip it's a lot of different from basketball yeah yeah you're a rule one yeah animals can play it yeah the ball is very different

it looks exactly like a basketball except it has a million holes inside of it so that any type of

animal appendage could hold and the way it was like you kind of need like a giraffe on your team to like you know protect the rim or whatever right like that's the best right sector yeah the drafts like the center there's an ostrich character who's kind of a wing okay yeah you know like assault tracks yes just good so is your it has your daughter transferred for love of our ball to basketball at all you know because I'm so intently trying to a brain washer until

like you baseball uh so she must be working on baseball first yes but I am going to try and get her into the WMBA eventually I was going to say I don't know if you've ever met Sims's wife Zach I don't think I have she is similarly very tall she's tall she played volleyball David's daughter is almost definitely destined to be oh she my daughter is in the 99% basketball she's very very tall yes no this could all have I mean or softball or any athletics

the only issue she got those David Sims jeans you know moving around inside of her and they may limit her athletic ability it just might be a hampering it might have my wife did play volleyball at through college so like she you know that's gonna have yeah but um it roar ball also yes the home team which might be say like uh team of like a jungle environment or an ice environment is allowed to change the court oh fire like kind of like erupting of all can you know like baseball

yeah exactly like it's like a game advantage or that's kind of like press the button before it goes like you know mode right your stadium mirrors your natural habitat even though all the teams have multiple different species uh and and the environment can be unbelievable bring that right field wall in a little bit that is kind of it's there's like an arctic team and the court is made of ice so if you slam down too hard on it it shatters and then it's just like

too fucking bad he can't walk on that pertiny more it's good it's good i'll be watching

“i'm gonna get steal I can't get you should get yourself clear because of a very funny”

Nick Crowe performances he's very good dragon I own movies I don't like on steel book but they are out of a specific sense of completeness they are something like fast x where it's like I own all of them I hate this one so if they make like five more goats then you'll I would need to I would need to opt in wholly on goat at some point for them to eventually get me to buy one I didn't like

okay touch pool that's fun we like that sequins very funny it is a fun sequence it it is the

“one where dory's logic made the least sense to me of just keeps swimming and then they it didn't”

matter which part of the touch pool they made it to you know they sort of just like end up I've what they call like poke poke at what is the part they reach at the end oh yeah something or pressure sure poking problem but it didn't it didn't it didn't matter but it is a fun sequence and I like the hunt at the hands thing y'all ever done a touch pool recently I've done that a lot because I've been to the aquarium a lot recently no but in my past David goes to the aquarium like

six times a day I do go my daughter loves it it's fun to go to an aquarium really fun look at all the fish yeah I would definitely do you have touch pools and they are kind of like you know they're very specific it is not like in finding dory sure they're like one animal at a time and they were being gentle with that animal that's good it is funny progress I don't think anything

“affairs was going on see world obviously a rival of business it would be in their interest to”

take see world down that's true but I you know after the first movie there were all these stories of like pet fish sales went way up but then kids would beg their parents for a fish and then flush it down the toilet because they'd say like all drains lead to the ocean I'm trying to free them this movie kind of absolves you of the guilt of being a child going to an aquarium

yeah sure it's like they need that they need the help this is good I've never been to see have you

guys wait with it but the children are scary monsters that's true yeah that's a good point I mean I mean I mean I mean me feel like I can never do a touch pooling it it is interesting that right it's like this is actually a pretty good setup for them save the kids if the kids weren't here they'd have it made they like it here yeah the kids are the problem yeah the kids are scary yeah so adults should go to aquariums alone and keep their hands themselves that I can agree with

good since I have been to see world a handful of times because I would visit with my grandparents in Florida they lived outside of Orlando. Gatorland was obviously your preference for sure love Gatorland is the shitty local park near where my grandparents lived that was just so trashy but great location also problematic location of the final third act action set piece in bad boys writer die yes the fourth bad boys and's a gator yeah a lot of them

but uh with the mega gear yeah I mean the the whale show is cool they splash you yeah move you're in the splash zone right like that it is so funny that in the 90s one whale just became a major celebrity like a household name you know and every see world location was like yeah yeah this is the one yeah we got shemu too we got shemu this shemu this is the god this is that guy from the commercials and the movies and everything

shemu alive no well which one yeah the original shemu might have uh yeah she died in August 1971 whoa so even before I was like shemu died 25 years before free willy for many but then how did I hear so much about shemu it's a very common name in the whale community

can we ever wish to do an impression of the podcast oh yes oh I do I'll never see anything

you never see it see I always try to get a picture and I can't get a fast enough

“did you get it come on I think so my angle's not great damn it it's the microphone arm”

thank you move the microphone arm before he oh oh fuck David pushed it on something and we smile he's left it damn it I think I got one I think I got effort I got the arm took I got it it did this is the problem the whole thing with about it about me doing my whale impression my impression of Brendan Fraser the poster for the movie the whale is you you really have to like let your mind go blank yeah that's when he looks like on the boat Zach you're your

tremendous actor thank you and you just saw David transform in front of you I did but he's not classically trained no so it's not very it's a precarious process it's very delicate yeah the trance can be broken very easily you seem dropping to it so quickly yeah have you seen Brendan Fraser the whale I have not I've heard it described in detail on 70 episodes of Don't

it was about to say 70 70 almost seems low basically indicated on don't always hit this point but

now I've I have not like don't boys you could just sort of like piece together the entire movie yeah for all of the various time talking about you know the movie I was probably never going to watch yeah but when I heard he floats at the end that was really what sold me on I won't that

I'm sure I was not like I'm sure this anecdote before but that happened and I went

and then I heard a sound behind me and I looked and the man sitting directly behind me was like sobbing and convulsing I can't like I am interested in developing a live action version of the whale yep that they're not playing a bit to me no we'll just do it without prosthetics so sure so we'll just sort of you know live action it up yeah but I'm that's we're in talks for that in talks right it is funny the way the doughboys talk about the whale you could go well they're reducing it to like

“five things the dirt can off the meatball so yeah yeah so yeah so yeah so yeah so yeah so I think you”

imagine like well they're being really kind of mean to and if you watch it those things are like the A-plots like the meatballs I'm feeling the whole fucking thing is this they read the essay like 10 times you go back to that damn essay it's the movie he's called the whale because the essays about movie dick that is why it's called that yeah David the title does not refer to him and his body refers to the essay and if you thought it referred to him you're the judge meant to

one and maybe look in a mirror shame on you Zach what do you make of the fact that when Dory I'm bringing us back to the end to this movie to the final like this movie does have whales in it

sort of learns that her parents did you know escape to search for her and never came back

leading Dory to think that they are dead and Dory kind of it's not like she tries to kill herself it's just kind of like throw herself I guess it's like it's like she's just bonded and it's like what like it's like the Hank scoops her up and then I guess he drops her she doesn't it's not like she throws herself out of the coffee potter whatever right but there is that kind of quite shocking or no you know but like exciting moment where you're like sort of Dory I view of like crashing

out of the pot and like rolling down the drain I don't know it's effective yeah I mean this is another like sort of the movie like it has like two kind of darkish moments before it's finally like they're alive and everything's fine and they found her and everyone's gonna be okay I'm rewatching it

“the octopus scoops of Dory then gets caught and drop yeah that's what it is right because he like”

he's like where are the others and she's like I don't know my parents are dead and then right yeah uh when they were supposed to be effective with the same level of memory loss she was gonna find them like halfway through because finding them wouldn't solve stuff because they all keep forgetting each other and now it's just like how do we save all three of them right really annoying but then I think they end up in this position where they're like well fuck then what is the explanation

for why they haven't found her they land on a good thing of they were trusting she would make it back yeah I think it makes sense and they're like doing everything we stay in one place right and we'll just keep building a map I don't know if that was the healthiest choice but it was I mean it's a little bleak if you think about it too hard because they're years that completely isolated they're not in any other living creatures nope they it seems to be they're living in the dark you might

build a support network of other people you can spread well it's also it is another fish family with one child yeah you know I mean after like finding the mogos to paint to be like look the rest the X got eaten this is an unusual situation because it is true like fish generally have like clutches in it um I also think that it it works largely because this is where they really get their fucking money worth out of dying ketan sure they're a sag scale but by a house with the residuals

“a year later money out of dying ketan were she I think really dramatically sells the like we just”

trusted you would find us and you did to make it a moment of triumph of like look at you you did it I assume that's where you and your wife starts having it is very effective yeah it's just you know like the fundamental thing that I think it's very affecting to watch as a parent is when you see Dory is a child suffering from memory loss it feels much more like profoundly awful which is the of course the drama of the right the flashbacks and all that but the young Dory is much more

self-conscious about it and worried about it and you're anxious about it and all that right and then yeah just like do the like all the you know tiktok that we're serving to me like watch you know the child

see his soldier dad returning from the airport and it's just within one second I am just like on

the edge of you know like you watch that now and after two seconds the child like lifts up the dad and throws him through a wall and you're like this is AI well for brimly starts like you can oatmeal have you seen these there's some like you don't I keep seeing it I'm just like this is another

starts like projectile vomiting quaker oats I can't even search for that I don't want the algorithm it's like when you want to those your cook yeah mr. fanski friend of the show was like do you know about hot haggard and I'm like what are you talking about she's like hot haggard and I google it and it was like there was a hold tiktok so it was ultra people like horny for haggard but then of course immediately my phone was like oh you like that you want as much of that as we can give you this might

be the only opportunity I ever have to to tell this story it's related to hot haggard okay go

“she's I I don't remember how it came up but I do remember that during shooting season one of”

sevens I did tell john jetero that people want a fuck truck and it was fairly early in the season yeah and I remember I'm sort of being like okay and now I'm just like the end of the conversation my impression of of making the show especially the way like I guess you would do the COVID for it's like you guys are in that set for like yeah forever yes yes like for so long it's just here at these consoles yeah we actually did get quite close and I better if I told him about it

now the conversation you know more but this was it was probably in the first two weeks of shooting

I mean we see new about track I guess track exactly all our kind of elder states men italians of the spring and stage are learning about track later in life of course but she knows got the phone case right the girl knows the people want to give it to him yeah he knows now yeah how I mean how many voices has deterred done well of course he's Francesco Bernoulli and cars too

“I think I like to mention a lot he and any of the hotel trains of a new season not and that's actually”

a shame especially considering how close he is in the happy Madison he was in del Toro's pinocchio who do voice the Tori okay I saw one time yeah but yeah I think he needs to do a little bit more he cars too socks and his for losers and babies and even babies should be embarrassed that they like it it is one of the most insane movies ever made I tried to give it another wash recent I did watch it through but I was like well I have any perverse appreciation for just how

insane it is now and it still is more annoying than interesting to me even with all of its weirdness

to Toro's very good in it he's like a four million one car he's a formula one car who's really

like haughty I got a one for him yeah yeah I do I do want to say one more thing about finding Dorie yeah my favorite part of the movie which we maybe briefly touched on whatever it's sort of happening at this part of the film is the moment where it starts with Nemo and Marlin when they're stuck in the fountain and yes in the gift shop and they start saying what would Dorie do and then they they reunite with her and they tell her that and then for the rest of the

movie Dorie starts saying what would I do and I found that quite affecting and very like

“because I do think it's something I think people who have a variety of issues it's really hard”

to have confidence in yourself when you're like dealing with that kind of stuff and so I think this idea of just like trusting in yourself and almost like making yourself a heroic figure to look up to I thought was really kind of beautiful honestly to I also I think I know I think what it expresses very well is that Marlin is willingly bringing Dorie into his family and taking on responsibility for her but it's clearly burning him with a tremendous amount of stress and more

than being like neurotic around Nemo he's clearly just like fuck I'm like on the clock at all times making sure Dorie doesn't kill herself and but Nemo like teaches him in that moment of like overachies self sufficient and she helped you fucking find me right like he has not that he doesn't want to still help her yeah no I know I know I think because there's that scene where he's like yelling at her that is genuinely affected like he's being an asshole and he's not being an asshole

and the way he is in the first movie of you're being annoying no it's because it feels like his

weight right yeah right and it's it's it's appropriate Marlin is no fun in this movie but you know it all it all lines up with yes the characterization it's also nice when Dorie's parents point out that Dorie was able to eventually find yeah it's like a really it's a nice wind for Dorie now I was texting with JJ I researched about this last night sure and no he took a long time to tell us that like a roof guy was coming with his house and I was not happy I really

thumbs up so text hours later like that I had said and then said like sorry I thought I had thumbs up that earlier but my roof guy was here to look at the roof and I said thank you so much for filling us in JJ was really warm yeah it's like you know you really you got to be keep me

more updated this is the first time hearing of it yeah yeah yeah I mean we might have to fire

so I feel like every time it hails and Wisconsin JJ is up my ass you're like more hell than I'm like all right and yeah I don't even hear what's happened to the roof he sent us a series of texts about going to the local university library to take out a bunch of books I'm Martin Scorsese he just start researching for our next many series and was texting us about how difficult it was for him to bike home in the rain with all the books and we just next him so

fucking hard where you're like hi JJ those books look pretty fucking dry in the set of picture of a stack and I was like I don't look what I'm seeing a single drop lid now we sound like assholes but I was going to say is that JJ while prepping this does he attacks me and said are you more

“pro on Dorie than Sims and I was I think we're both pretty pro and he was saying like good I”

would just want to make sure it's a positive episode and I said yeah I think the first 15 20

months suck basically everything from when they get to the marine institute on rules and he said yeah that's right and it like rules rules IMO and then I think perhaps the most dead on profound point that JJ has ever made in his years of working for this show there's an octopus driving a truck what the hell else do you want yeah that part rules it is the moment where I was like stand still got the fucking magic and the chaos in him yeah of just the audacity of being like you know what I'm

going to try to do I'm going to try to construct an actual proper action sequence that can be driven by the fish that is affecting the human world that is pushing further than like you know the strain of the first movie is if the fish slim down will turn over the boat right yeah sure

“I mean it reminds me toy story that's what it's kind of just like what if these guys”

were in our world what's the craziest thing that they might be able to achieve you know like right could these toys drive a car it's a push it's heightened but it feels similarly affected by a logic of the fucking one two year will hear some insane story of a thing like this that happens if not this crazy you know I saw a video recently of a dog honking a horn over and over

this is the thing there's always some story of like it's basically the same thing that happened

right a bear walked into a seven eleven and worked a shift and you're like what and then you locked the video and you're like this rule there he goes I feel good about the world for one hour I just think this sequence is excellent and it feels like he keeps heightening how far you think it could possibly go in strain and credibility and it's silly but there is a really good worked-out internal logic of like you said in a toy story way like how much can they actually

affect things and we've already seen them sort of do a dress rehearsal with the stroller yes so it's like you you kind of are just bought into like this octopus can can move he knows what he's doing you know and then weaponizing the otters is great I feel like you want to talk about the otters Ben who doesn't love an otter yeah it's just trying to move us along but yeah who doesn't love an otter they're cute I'm with you man let's wrap up finding Dory I don't remember what else happens

anyway what's the song when the truck just like slow motion is it good for a world I can't remember yeah the uncredits song and this is unforgettable which is clever for the first one has so nice beyond the city of course they have there's the closing little moment with Marlin and Dory looking out over the beautiful yeah there's gay bright coral neighborhood yep totally but just yeah the serenity of that moment of them all sort of the piece in the comfort world it's what

I wonder for world it's Louis Armstrong yeah that's the song on my way over here I was singing the song can you find me Dory so that of course could have used that that his creeds can he take me high that's right yes okay but first it it just was I couldn't stop doing it can now I'm going to be doing I'm going to be doing it now can we throw down the gauntlet for the can you find me Dory challenge like you were doing this walking over here yeah listen or send us a video of you walking in public singing

“can you find me Dory can you but you have to do it in public while commuting do we want a third”

door you know they they they doctor recently kind of said like hey it's a big ocean like you

I've retired from public life to I guess I'm making a short film which I star as Dory right so like she's cracking it feels like something is Albert Brooks's old he is old but he was recently

“in a film perfect world Marlin I do I think it's such a rich world where like it doesn't have to”

be about even these care like yeah they they do such great world building with each like the turtles and the sharks and the stingrays and that like I just would watch any anymore ocean life does it do be looking good this we're under the sea yes I will say and then it's just like a

personal preference thing the technology the leap between the first film the second film's obviously

huge not to mention now they basically have unlimited budgets these movies are so profitable these characters are so valuable that they're truly like it just send us the bill when it's done it doesn't matter how much a fucking cost it helps us as a company to have Dory back out there I was talking a lot in the episode of the first film about all the sheets in that movie of how they pull off the depth and the texture and the elements of the ocean and how a lot of it is

kind of like the CGI version of old stage craft where that movie feels a little bit more like an archer's film and it's sort of representational way of capturing that and this you're just like they have all the money and they have all the technology they could just render everything perfectly

it does look beautiful but I missed the sort of I don't know the movie magic of the first time

this movie group a wicked style reclaiming of Gerald okay Gerald for good yeah we kind of learned that in fact Gerald was right all along he was a genius yeah yeah stand in that earned him weekly article had this quote that has I've seen the internet immediately run with misinterpreting as toy story five director announces toy story six and seven okay everyone's been running this as I had line what he said basically was he said six out of him he did his hands like that

that's right and everyone laughed and Disney started like doing the projections right no he was talking about how they came to him said do you have any ideas for five and he started noodling on he wasn't playing direct it and he really liked the idea settled start writing

it started directing it whatever and he said you know it's this whole thing of we had always been

so concerned was three the definitive ending and then when we opened ourselves up to that's Andy's story there are other things you can do we keep thinking the series is ending and he said something to the like it was sort of a fact of you sit down for two hours and start doing the mental exercise about other toys and what their lives would be and immediately you just come up with ideas for two more movies right he was basically like and everyone just took that as they

“have an idea for two more movies that will exist right and he was just sort of saying and I think”

this is his superpower that you know Toy Story 4 was notoriously a disaster forever that they couldn't crack it was the one movie they kept pushing back even though they had all these big money deals because they were like we don't have it and then they finally went to him post funny door and said do you have anything and he was like what about this and they were like fuck that's good and then he took over kind of co-writing the movie um I think he's the guy who's really smart about

locating something that feels kind of organic that is sitting there in the world that you've developed and what the human story is there the emotional story that you can like explode out of that I dread the notion of them announcing something literally like finding Marlin or Nemo's now grown up in his child goes missing but I'm like if they could come up with an idea that's just sit down and think about other things that could happen in the ocean with fish even if it is

led by these characters I just think you can't do since this movie is the flip flipping it again I agree I don't think it needs to be finding anyone right you know who does flip flip or flip or flip or and flip or and flip or and flip or and flip or and flip or isn't worked in a while yeah again some problematic he was on the shitty man and media list this film was supposed to come out Thanksgiving 2015 they instead decided to give that to the good

dinosaur I had a great meal a year 2015 Thanksgiving yeah it was like when he beats the Zach door it was it would have been good

“good to pair with dory it would have been good to pair with dory in the only way that you could”

only think missing isn't said you had to pair with the good dinosaur yeah good dinosaur obviously didn't do very well that was notably one of the the first picture movie to lose money I think those effects are a movie to ever confuse me it's so good to be confusing I don't know what is happening

released this film because you had to but you did not know what it was of course sucks but it is like poorly conceived and then it is a successfully executed version of their stupid idea good dinosaur you're like where did this start what did you think you were making can any of you take pride in what you've released now I was going to say though that was the first

“year that they released two in 2015 I think it was inside out and good dinosaur in the same year”

so it was sort of like inside out covered the good dinosaur right and that is so well right exact and I think they flipped finding Dorie and good dinosaur because they were like Dorie's a guaranteed hit good dinosaur's a guaranteed flop can we sandwich it with the flop in between successes right so

Dorie comes out June 2016 it opens 135 million dollars at the domestic box office which is

an animated movie record at the time beating Shrek III which had held the record for a decade It's actually just getting a fair collection of it just gets onto Toro look yeah really that much his majesty he checks sales it makes close to $500 million domestic it makes a billion dollars worldwide only the second Pixar movie to do that after toy story three it was not by the Academy awards as I pointed out and Stanton does not go on to make another animated movie until twist 35 right

yes we'll talk about it in the next episode but he very much was like TV well he was like the John Carter thing wasn't a one-off I want to be directing live action and what follows is like eight years of him signing on for a bunch of things attaching himself to blacklist scripts movies set up at various points in time that don't happen and directing a tremendous amount of tape he did a fair amount of TV he directs two episodes of Stranger Things an episode of Better Call Saul

“an episode of Legion an episode of Tails from the loop hmm remember that one four episodes”

of the excellent show for all mankind including one of its best ever so to my opinion is Better Call

Saul Episodes also really excellent I was I sure and one episode of the well-remembered Netflix show third

body problem and he's a consulting producer on that and he was a consulting producer on that coming there is by biobligation you're gonna find a fourth body I mean look those books are I've read them all I love them so much they're the greatest they're the greatest books ever and you read them and you're like anyone who thinks they could adapt this is is a fool like this is the most unadaptable shit in the world it has like 400 characters most of whom are Chinese like and so you just have to immediately start

like messing with it we just watch this over a massive times millennia yeah and like and like

“you read the first book you're like wow that's hard you read the third book you're like that”

makes the first book look like fucking weird spot like that makes the first book look like a cardboard book for children anyway they're so good I guess the show also a consulting producer and writer on would be on oh yeah recently watch and think is quite terrible not very good but felt like a very much I would imagine well we was just a swing and miss the dirt like the ball is nowhere near them now no we can get it it's just not even close not interesting he didn't direct any episode

of it it's not like he was the main creator I have to imagine that was a play at that moment when suddenly it was like Star Wars production was ramping way up there you make a bunch of shows yeah is this a way to sort of get my foot get my foot in there maybe a different Star Wars thing or

another never chow as the director of that entire season yeah but instead he does not make another

live action film until 2026 when of course he released in the blink of an eye to act do you know that interest and release a live action movie on hulu months ago no and months from now I've had heard of it what you can in his the star of it where she did Jones David digs and a very soon toy story five will be released with him as the director that one's gonna do pretty well he is once again replicated the same post John Carter thing of you guys forgot I have another get-out of

jail free card by the time this is out toy story five has come up so one assumes unless it tried to just like assassinate the president at a dinner or something it did great like I don't know what what might happen in the meantime to derail toy story five it seems like it's on a good idea I have a I have a a woody uh email dump that um I've been sitting on what do you might have gone to an island okay log he might even have flown on a certain

about it that it is uh is there anything that could happen that would prevent that movie

“from making like a billion dollars I don't know I mean I remember everyone felt that way about”

toy story four yes and then it slightly under-delivered box office wise although in the end of the day it made a ton of money I was I was wrong when we were trying to talk about the box office and whatever episode it was it basically ended up at the exact same number as three right just many years later but it was also post the sort of finding Nemo a funny doorhead such a big job incredibles too incredibles to had such a big jump the spickle meme movies were like rising on each one

that people assumed well three was so big four will be even bigger and the answer is that like

three's about as big as a movie can get dido four the ceiling might have been established but it's also incredibly high now speaking of awesome yes June 17th oh sure okay yep funny door is opening number one number two is an action comedy so is this central intelligence yeah I fucked it up I look at the the rest of the summer lineup a little bit but I don't know what's specific oh the rock he big yes Kevin Hart not so big is that they were in a movie

you're smiling what are your thoughts of course I love them now I remember I saw that film at the pavilion which is now the Nighthark Prospect Park but it was in the dying days of the pavilion I had to see it to review it and I like missed whatever screen they were like the screening is you just missed it you know like one of those things and I watched it like you know probably like a freezing cold theater with like a garbage bag for a blanket or whatever and I remember when

the rock was young he was like he's kind of like a nerd he was like a chubby nerd and they like very overweight the CGI like him on g i his face on the like a CGI body it's terrible looking and I'm gonna do a live action remake of that as well good um obviously my action remake of a movie that is largely live act yeah I'm just doing it but I'm just doing that but does for you does do it oh naturally right god yeah and there's a lot of it don't remember about that movie

I'm just a huge set I'm a Kevin Hart Mark like anything back then especially he could make

“him funny I think the rock is funny and that as well yeah I like that movie but they're both”

good and they're locked in plot is whatever it was just one of those things where they were like rock big heart small make a poster well right the script later you know what the tagline was for the fact yes I do because it was the the it was what my review was about it's so bizarre because the poster does not have their names above the title sure instead the tagline is saving the world takes a little heart and a big Johnson it's rare that there's a tagline

that's a joke about the actors name yeah it's not bad but that movie sold itself that's the start of their partnership that's the first one right and what was the one they did right after that jumanji okay then they start also like they legally cannot make a movie without the other one cameo yeah right and then they're also doing fucking commercials and it was a big hand 127 yeah that's like number three the box I was a horror sequel you did mention it already

but conjuring to conjuring to excellent film my favorite of the conjuring I always like the first one

best but I do like it and I love the scene of Patrick Wilson sings that's him playing Elvis yeah by the campfire seeing conjuring to I've only seen the first conjuring which is very good I will eventually make my way through get the devil will make you do it but I've only seen the first conjuring last right is one of those movies that I already have forgotten if I watched it

“I think I did right like like I waited like no one liked it saying I waited for HBO and I'm”

pretty sure I watched it but it is not in there with you I don't know if I ever saw it or not I think I did like what I have letter box because you know I'm 40 years old parenting break in the old brain I felt sure I had I watched it but now I can't say one and a half stars oh all right haunted me I might have seen some of the spin-offs well there's a lot of them lots of one la yona and about la yona you think I watched and about yeah you watch out for doing a lot

you're on a sequel like eight years later sure why not apparently that thing is just become like the most watch movie in the history of movies I think that will do have a long like Netflix tale you want to number four the box office is another sequel it's a two to movie that got a three many years later

more very much more recently and is it a three that finally landed on the right title that is correct

this is now you see me numeral two one of the most offensive movie titles of all time at the very least it should have been now you see me comma t-O-O I agree I agree but it should have been called now you see me now you don't right today eventually did do and then they made

now you three me which is what it should have been I guess and said the third one is now you see

me now you don't I've never seen any of them and the fourth one be called now you see me now you

revolution legacy I've always heard that they are fine they seem like silly insane movies number five the box office is a huge flop based on a video game more craft that did make $400 billion in like china alone essentially five dollars but there no money here yeah that was a true also I like went to the regal court street just to see it like opening weekend with like four other people and watch it was kind of like is it so good I'm smoking an imaginary singer that's

awesome not something I do it's such a speck of a call now a very funny specific moment where Hollywood was like huh maybe we just make movies for china the second where they were like it made so much money in china that maybe we make American blockbusters just for them and then China was just like no we'll just make her own way have you seen more craft I don't think so have you

played worker I did I I I I I had a deep world of warcraft era I never did then call it that's the

MMR yeah you know right yeah I I went to see it with one Nikolan the great comedian former PCB teammate mine

“and he's a big warcraft fan and at the end of the movie I think the Toby Kebel or Kazababy”

and he turned to me and went so like that baby is kind of the most important character and warcraft lore and I'm like this is what everyone's fucking up why is the movie starting yes start with the baby what are you talking about what the fuck have I been watching then it's like if Superman was born at the end of yeah end of the movie if the movie was called Superman but the whole movie was about Jordan yeah and you're like that baby Superman this is true I know

little warcraft expert but I do know picked up uh number six is ex-manifoculips as you mentioned terrible movie the original gentleman six which is embarrassing to admit now it's crazy but yeah you were like yeah it's a six and I was like I don't know and then I called it a gentleman six and now once a month for the rest of our lives someone on the reddit starts a threat can I explain me what a gentleman six means and it's just people trying to parse my definition um number seven is

teenagers written in turtles out of the shadows which we've covered on our patreon and she's fun that's the one that's good that's the good one that's the B-block rock steady one right the better live action they've green director of Cody versus Zack right the live action I mean like CGI the bay the bay the platinum do you know any fat guys in that movie B-mob and rock dead B-mob rock dead I'm gonna be doing a live action remake you got two big guys you could play both

“you could clump I do a clump clump the I mean you should also do a live action clumps”

I would love to do a number eight is Alice through the looking glass which is terrible yeah number nine is me before you that's the Amelia Clark the same platform yeah sure oh yeah that's like uh based on a book she's the one of them's uh the real chair I want to do assisted suicide right right uh number ten is Captain America Civil War which obviously is a big hit yes thing I love to call out about um uh Alice through the looking glass it's the rare reverse uh spy

who shag me where the movie and total made less than the first movie made and it's opening weekend but is that like a horror or Alice no it's this just the second Tim Burton without Tim Burton and everyone else it's depin on the bottom carder and in half away and uh uh Sasha Baron Cohen plays time yes he does he plays the concept of time in a performance it's not that bad

that I feel like you've always stumped him like he's actually doing something in the middle one yeah

sack Zach is like it looks intrigued yeah kind of wanted to check out and then the plot of that movie is that the mad hater is bummed out okay and they have to figure out why he's bummed out it's so like he's lost his mojo thing yeah right it's like he's not a runpy mood yeah was the tag and so she has to use the time guide to go back in time to figure out that like

“the mad hater's dad was me damn herself remember remembering the trailers yeah please the”

haters dad I don't fuck out Jesus now I've got a look at that Keith Richards or something no that's fire it's didn't I know but I like I do that twice who would dep have cast a play dad had her no I don't know uh reset fan of course reset fans does it you know that made it go so much sense huh uh anyway uh but this uh this film Dory Tories a good time that's a good time she's not she's not

good time for it because it was sort of the that the in the credits I fucking loved the sort of

“tabloes with Hank where you you like don't know where he's gonna be and then he he pops up”

I could have watched that for a full hour just like I love when he goes into the fish ball and makes himself look like a plan yeah it's awesome like that that was great yeah they should do uh they should do that for the sphere yeah you put a feature length just finding Hank's slide show at the sphere well you know defining the mod dvd which is the best selling uh physical media release of all time still or certainly movie uh had a aquarium mode was its big feature was you could press

a button and it would just play an endless loop of like a uolog equivalent of Pixar animation your tv screen is an aquarium so you you would love just I would up four hour loop of green saver I get you in a room and he's sneaking into different spots yeah and you just don't know where he's

gonna be at first and then he's like oh there he is and then he hides again yeah Hank's a really

good guy it's actually good if anything you want to plug um when does this come out it comes out uh

“July 12 okay I believe there's one more rat scraps oh yeah rat scraps is in it I believe there will be”

one more show New York Improved New York Improved Show at caveat theater I believe our final show is in August okay time so check it out Ellen doing monologs uh hey we don't know yet but I'll certainly reach out but yeah it's an Improved Show I do uh or have done where we're ending our run after five years I think um yes so I believe the final show is in August caveat.com google it you'll you'll figure it out come to the last show come to the last show you are in I'm just looking at

your Wikipedia page now you're in James and moving that's right I guess very excited for that that really I was thinking August yeah teenage sex and death it can't be asked my there's we got some I got a busy year on that you got a good you got a slate coming up right you're in red winner you're in the breadwinner which is out at this point the the uh Neapargette movie that's right right uh you're in rest on evil of course of course that carcass wasn't evil can't

can confirm of course can confirm you can't bury you you're in a Kevin Hart movie called 72 hours we what that's the Netflix original I got to work with my guy stuntler in the Kevin this making an effort so even the world's gonna take a little heart and a little chair yeah I tried to push that they said I'm not really a main character they said I'm more of uh sort of minor support it's all rude yeah uh you're in Lord Miller Rogan's new movie all the other

ones coming out but that's me that's a great cast yeah it was a lot of fun yeah that's a fun stuff you got lots of fun stuff and there's some apple and fallout on prime video and I don't know what did you start filming severance in a couple months which means it will premiere uh next decade right no comment let's talk about that great show I love it uh you're the best show on tv

and you think you best cast on uh podcast good always good to be here it's very nice to have you

and whenever that 15 17 to Paris comes into the station that clans I mean look I know we're about to do nine months of Marty yeah so like one year of Clint isn't exactly like the best follow-up

“yeah but like I'm there if you want to give me the green light for a year Clint but the”

Clint won't take that long because we can do each episode and one take that's true we should actually write commit with the Clint to being like we need to be done in 80 minutes and break for lunch or whatever right we have to honor him somehow yeah love that idea that would actually be fun at the Clint bit is 10 minute episodes yeah we seriously let's not make a big deal out of it's good uh thank you all for listening please remember to write review and subscribe next week we are going straight

into in the blink of an eye uh yeah I think so just making sure there's no new release stuff with all the summer oh no we shit oh yeah so the next two weeks we will be covering the two biggest films of 2026 I'm hyped for that the Odyssey and in the blink of an eye how do we think Odyssey is gonna be I'm so excited for it we created yeah I'm so seated I'm seated in a horse and I love I'm excited for Burnt all on the Odyssey I'm really excited for that I love that I just like the idea

of like these in half the ways like when will my husband come even I know I don't fucking know he doesn't have some sort of out of series okay good cousin come a long time it's cousin you

Disney make the call tack cherry is ready and tech avail to develop old martlyn I'd love a house

a show about martlyn getting some strength even just give let me do a little voicing do a little voice

“in old marlin I could be like what's it what's the secret you're they haven't done yet”

star no star fishes tadpole snail oh no that's pretty good wait a second let's you wait

what's your deal bank check-on's that okay you come through us I have some type of

problem I love you yeah I accept and all the doors boy yeah that's my pitch it's good pet