The Last Wave with BenDavid Grabinski

We've lost our podcast, then they come back and we don't even know what they mean. Now, it's hard to, I'm good at neither a South African nor an Australian accent. It is hard to impersonate South African in a movie where everyone's speaking Australian and not just fuck up both. Where are you getting South African?

Richard Chamberlain's character. Is he South African? I say that in the movie. Wait, I missed that. He says he's a South African, I caught that.

Thank you. But I thought it was South American. I think he says he's a South African.

“I think he says he is of South African origin.”

I mean, he's not playing like that. Like when he talks about his background, that there's some discussion of like family, I thought it was him though. Wait, what's the meaning being born? Yeah, elsewhere.

It's when he said diplomatic community. Did I nail it? Did I by melding the two accents together? Did I nail it? Hmm.

Gonna go with no. Did I nail it? I'm seeing zero nail. You got a metal detector. It's crying in his mouth.

Right now, it feels like a home depot fully stopped. So griffin. Lots of nails. I went into the spectrum as you're Arnold. And then on the other end of the spectrum is you're a sandler and hotel transelvania.

Blah, blah, blah, blah. Sort of in between. Okay.

“You're saying you think sandler transelvania is the best one I have?”

It sounds like the guy. Just go ahead and let it go ahead. You can do it again. Or don't. Excuse me.

My moment. What are you doing? In. Oh, right. He's got the die.

He's got the die. Oh, man. Oh.

This is the first time I wish you as a video podcast.

I don't. But only in this exact moment. Just for that. Just for that. This is my totem.

My totem is a loaded die. Only I know the exact weight and balance of this die. You know, that film is 16 years old. How cheap. It's crazy.

Yes. Because you know, feels like just yesterday. I heard him say that for the first time. And thought he's had a bad career. No.

But when you watch that movie, you were like, right, this is it. He's about to be a big a-lister. He's pop and so hard. The issue is if you actually look at the landscape at the theatrical movies, there's not a lot that have like rotating sets where you're like a couple layers into a dream,

which is apparently what he's trying to. Yeah. They go around there like, you know, I'm just looking for a movie about the dreams on a rotating set. Are you?

There's a state in Australia called South Australia.

“Are you sure he was not talking about being a South Australia?”

I'm not really. Well, how could I Google there's nothing came up. But I mean, that's not that surprising because this is a less well-known. Well, can we just look at the future Reddit column about this episode? Yes.

Let me imagine the terrible of being able to see the future Reddit post, but not being able to stop them. That was the worst. That's a reboot of early additions. Oh, certainly.

Like every morning, we get a notification of a red off of a door roasting us. But you can't see what the subject heading of the Reddit post is and you're just like, how do I anticipate these criticisms?

I'm really glad we never reached a point where someone could say a Philip K Dick is too

online because that wouldn't be the short story or a booky route where like, okay, man, I don't know if we needed that. That is a great point that a lot of things that he died before Twitter was in my way, but a lot of writers would have gotten dinged for being too online for writing the exact thing they wrote pre-internet.

Like if you wrote fucking minority report in 2026, they'd be like, this is some fucking Twitter-brained bullshit. They're so afraid of getting canceled. You wrote minority book. What if the pre-coxman canceled, what they came out of the little milk bat, right?

Yeah, that's a beautiful idea. Well, Matt, see when Matt Damon was in that movie, that is what it was going to be about. But then when it switched to Colin Ferrell, they got rid of all the canceled stuff. Colin is good in that. Colin is good in that.

I just love that that's another class of Colin Ferrell. I have zero memories of being on that set. Drunk is hell, mate, Spielberg mad at me and crews, everyone mad at me.

And also a thing we call out in that episode that I always think about, just how different

Hollywood was like 24 years ago, yeah, he was paying 2.5 million dollars for that. That's called having a good age and it was just like if we've decided you're the guy and you get one of the top five parts in a giant movie, we're giving you 2.5 no matter what. And then like 10 years later, Andrew Garfield is signed to play Spider-Man.

And they're like, we're going to start you at 250k.

three of them. Well, there's all these movies and like the 80s and 90s and you'll see, this person got

3.5 million and the budget was like 3.6 and you're like, how did they pay for the rest

“and then they also shot it in Los Angeles for nine months?”

And the person getting paid 3.5 million was George Kennedy. That if George Kennedy was available for 10 days, they were like, it's worth him being 92% of our budget. George Kennedy, saying murder in my career port, murder. Trebin, I'm trebin another, another, another, another wet movie.

And today we are here to take a boat. Oh my no, we're to a port. I think I could gun. I'm like, really? I don't just have some splash in.

I genuinely upset that none of you commented on my renaming of our group chat. I loved it. I was in a rush, but I was very into. Okay, because I thought it was a pretty good joke. I thought it was like our wet bandits as the group chat talked about this movie.

Ben, Ben texted and just midwatch was, is it fair to say, producer Ben Haasley? A gentleman of many shades of many sides, sometimes your dry guy. That is true. But I've had my moment. You've had your dry areas.

You have, but you've been smoking.

And you are a drop guy, so you watch drops on VHS.

Sure. Well, that's kind of more of an air guy. You had a bad boy weekend. I just feel like your weekend had your weekend hings seem to have a whiff of being bad. It was a throwback.

It was a throwback. Yeah. Ben David and I got cream barbecue and then we head back to his. And then we drank tea and then we watched drops on VHS. No, we drank some dang beers and had maybe a couple of jamoses.

What? You silly guy. They were silly. And they were like, hey, on confirmed reports are surface. But I was going to say that you have been known to value what you would dub a slick

flick. Absolutely. A wet motion picture. A splishy splash. A splishy splash.

Sometimes you go Bobby Darren mode when you're sitting down at the cinema. There's only so many movies where it rains inside.

You know, there's not some movies where it's like, oh, you're on the ocean.

Oh, you know, there's a big storm. But it rains inside in this movie many times. It all waters like the villain. What are the villain? I mean, it's just, it's sort of just the theme.

But yeah, beyond that, it's both kind of water and colonialism. I'd say are the two. Yeah, they're just a little of that, too. I mean, like it's like you're like the last wave and you're like, oh, okay. So is this like a metaphorical wave and they're like, well, no, actually.

Think about it. This is what I love. I love, I have this thought like 10 minutes into the movie. I love a title that is both metaphorical and not at all. I love a title where you're like last wave is it maybe just about like cultural

high changing and you're like something's changing exactly. But also right at the end, we are going to show you a big fucking. The last shots, one of the biggest waves you've ever seen. But also almost every movie that has the word last and the title is great. But then there's like two or three that are terrible.

But that's the thing I've been thinking about. Okay, let's, let's make this list. Oh, I started making a list on the train here and then stop because I kept seeing last stand. So it's like going through them.

But I was that, but there was like a list. Right, like there's like 20 really good movies that were last in the title. That's one of the best. Oh, so good.

“I mean, we should definitely re-lit a gay last Jedi, which I think is a masterpiece.”

So I can alienate everyone. We all agree. Yeah, we all agree. This is safe. Yes, I safe face.

I mean, a room full of people who are smart and correct. Yeah, I know, but I was like going over it and I was like, there are so many good movies that will last. Yeah, the last X is a pretty strong start. Let me see.

As you're looking this up, I just want to see it. But there is one movie I saw only one time and really did not like it. It's really great. But the last kiss. I think the last duel.

The last kiss. One of the worst fucking movies I ever thought of. That's the bra. Yes, yeah. So God damn bad.

And that's a golden picture. This was such a prank. And you know what? Such a bonding thing between you and me because I had like weeks of being mad about that.

But it's like it's crazy that I'm mad about. I saw it in college. Like you think I could have gotten over it. It's probably like 100 minutes long. Like, you know, it didn't.

It didn't end the world when it came out. But I walked out being like, I was bullshit. It's 100 minutes long. And of those 100 minutes, 80 minutes are Casey Affleck with a beer being like, you know, marriage is tough.

He is in it. But I was 104 minutes. So I was in college when, come on. You got a little at down. I have to admit that I was like a severe garden state guy.

We're like, I saw it. How old are you been, David? And we shouldn't choose the podcast. I'm 42. I also set up a threat that I will need to play on when this comes down.

Okay. Well, I'm just 42. I can call you 7 when this comes out. Yeah. Am I going to be 40?

I think. Still 49. Fue.

“But as someone who's a little older than me, I think that's a little”

embarrassing. But it's fine. So it came out. And I was like, I don't know, 20.

And then they can't cry. But they can't.

“Cute girl came over and we got really stoned and listened to the soundtrack on”

repeat for hours talking about the movies on CD.

I mean, it's simpler. It felt really important at the time. I'm like, the symmetrical framing. It just captures what it's like to be 20. If there's one thing that movie has to offer to you, it is quite a lot of framing.

So I've not seen it since then. So I will, because I'm sure I'm sure that I will have some more complicated feeling. The last of the month. I think it was good. The last samurai.

Not so good. Go ahead. I think too many threads. I'm going to tell you. That's a little of Garnt State from the State of Jersey.

When's the last time you watched it? It's been a while. Yeah. But yeah, similarly it was like we're like in the pocket. Right.

Right. You ever yell at a dump. A hole. They go into a big hole. They go on top of a dumpster into a hole.

“Have you ever gone a new Jersey with Griffin and then got stranded there?”

And we had to take a cat. That's a whole other conversation. I'm pretty sure that all of you were part of that misadventure. That was a real classic. David's getting texts from multiple people and what's going on.

Read Ben's text. Yeah, of course. The last castle kind of 1143 a.m. Y'all this movie, what is hell? I just need you to get it out.

I've been trying to say that for 10 minutes. So sorry. Y'all this movie, what is hell? Transformers the last night are we counting that one? Not one of the better ones.

It's interesting how it's supposedly in the middle. But that's by transferring between that age of extinction of which one is more engagingly deranged. Well, the last time. I think that one's more engaging.

Mark Walver being revealed is the last night of the roundtable. And also a Anthony Hopkins dying in a robot saying of all the men I've ever served. You were the coolest. First of all, spoiler. Secondly, that's not just a robot that is cogmen, Anthony Hopkins human-sized robot,

butler that does not transform by Jim Carter and is a self-identified sociopath who also sings opera, which he says before he takes living fish and beats them on the ground on the fucking grid of a submarine into submission so he can eat them. Okay. Last night.

Sort of forgot about that part. Good sequence that no human being alive, including Michael Bay or anyone who worked on it, can tell me where it takes place because there's a scene where they like take a ship up into the sky, but then crash land in the sky and what looks like Iceland. Oh, I can tell you where that takes place in my wildest dreams.

Well, it's it's wonderful, but I might say imagine if they like crash land in the sky on earth and then get up to race away from it to come back down to earth and I can't figure it out. Then showing Griffin's thing is cool. South America.

I was trying to queue it up on the criterion app and then got it before I did. He was born there. I see. Bridget.

“In South America, so do we okay, okay, forty nine minutes of us discussing it?”

No, it's probably. I feel so much better because I'm like, I've seen this movie a lot and I don't remember. You are the most like views of this movie on my letter box friends, okay? Very few people have seen this movie. We're totally.

We're totally.

And I told you we're finally doing weird.

New you had a new movie coming out. It was a time to get you back on and I feel like this was immediately, you said I would do anything. I basically would be happy to do any weird episode, but you're passionate for this one punch through really quick.

Well, there's especially since it's less requested. There's two weirds in pop culture that really, really mattered to me. Obviously, Peter, we are second Lindsey weirds. We are flinty weirds. Yes, sir.

But we've we. But I come up with Lindsay. I've probably loved all the weirds equally. Yeah. Maybe the dad the most.

Sam. You know, Sam guy. That's for life. But the dad, I mean comedy legacy. Yes. What's it?

It was the worst $15 I ever spent, but whatever he says about losing his virginity, it's just so fucking fun. My favorite is the episode where he's trying to get them invested in the idea of family game night because the weirds need to spend more time together and he keeps on trying to convince them that the card game pits really exciting.

And at the end, Becky and Baker convinces him to like loose in his grip and let them live their own lives. And then she's like, okay, well, let's finish the game and he goes, I don't want to play. This is a terrible game. Joe Flerty is, I mean, I mean, all right, he died pretty recently.

Yeah. Money in the goddamn. So it can be easy to forget about anything. So in October, I was doing this thing where I would like watch these YouTube blocks of like horror programming and they would, there's a bunch of these where they find like

all these anthology shows sort of like tales from the crypt that you've never heard of

and they have an episode and they'd be like written by Andrew Kevin Walker and crazy. And I'd sent you one where it was this horror show hosted by Joe Flerty. And then it was an episode all about Katherine or Hera being a nun who if she fell in love

He had a character called Count Floyd on S&TV. He's iconic. That's why he dresses up as a vampire. Right. That was his local, exactly.

And then on the Ed Grimley cartoon show, which listeners might be astonished to hear. I'm sorry. There are no more listeners on this episode. They wrote the way about a year segment and I'm hearing a flat line. Yeah.

It was a thing that young Griffinians took her to a boy. It was the graphicist, it was a possible that I had a lunchbox of the Rimley cartoon did exist. Yeah. They just some weird memory.

No, probably. There was merch. There's talking at Grimley dolls that are in the animation style, but Count Floyd would appear in live action segments. They would cut to count Floyd on Ed Grimley's TV.

“So, Count Floyd was very important at my childhood.”

I mean, that's just the kind of statement that only Griffin Newman would make these days. Yeah. Yeah. I completely believe it. Oh, because free speech is illegal.

Right. So, no. I'm talking about a TV and work because of the terrorists. I didn't know that there was a live action, Grimley. I had known the cartoon.

That was my introduction as well. Yeah. I got very confused between animated Ed Grimley and live action P.V. Herman, because they both had countless. Okay.

Well, what about the Asian trackers? Thank you very much. With Griffin and David, that's a whole other conversation about how in 1994 Jim Carrey

had $300 million domestic grossers.

And by 1996, all three were converted into Saturday morning cartoons on rival networks. You actually just set up a perfect transition with the thing I have to admit. Yeah. I still haven't introduced the pot by the way. I was on the show, we all agreed that I would not come back until you're doing a Tom

Shadyx series. And I was going to do Dragonfly.

“I had originally promised that if we, the podcast made it to 10 years, we would cover”

Tom Shadyx. And this, of course, is the 11th year of the podcast. And I want to promise that we will do it on year 20. Well, I wasn't sure what we were doing today. Yeah.

And I texted you for clarity. And you didn't respond. So I watched both of these to prepare. You also watched Dragonfly yesterday. And I prepared a bunch of talking points.

In case we want to get into this. Is it Dragonfly one of those movies? It's very hard to, like, it doesn't exist. Universal. There was a, I rented it on iTunes yesterday and watched it and took notes.

Universal has been doing a thing I really appreciate on there. Like, home entertainment channel once a month, they do a grid post that is new to digital. And it is. There are 20 movies that have been out of circulation that we're proud to tell you are now rentable on digital platforms.

Oh, good. And mostly it's like 30s, 40s program stuff.

They finally got Dragonfly.

Dragonfly in the grid. You, you just, that was in my life. It was impossible to watch. Finding helped you with this bit because three weeks ago, this bit would have been impossible. I have something to say about Dragonfly or is it frequency, fuck.

It's probably frequency. What I have to say about Dragonfly. So it's about Dr. Joe Darrow. He's just kind of like Kevin Costner and his wife dies because he's on a bus filled with school kids that drives off a cliff into a lake and they all drown.

Okay. And he can communicate with them. Where was Superman? Well, this is the problem. He told Superman this.

Okay. I'm just going to make my point and then we're going to introduce our guest. I just rewatched the Michael Hanukkah from the piano teacher. Okay. Because I'm watching all of my discs that I bought and I bought that I'm brought a set.

You bought the umbrella not the curse on. Correct. Interesting. What happened? Okay.

And I bought it a while. It's very, very good. Very well done. I've been struggling to figure out which is the one to buy. That will seem good to me.

I don't know. There's a scene in the piano teacher where he's a bell is sitting at a cafe or whatever. And there was a poster for the movie Frequency Behind her. It was like that's so weird. Like in this like down or fucking movie about this woman who's like a satomaticistic relationship.

It's like I have Frequency, but Frequency is not Dragonfly. But they are both about like communicating across sort of a mystical barrier, you know. Right. But when see is like CB radio field of green. Like if you didn't come back to your dad dad, it could be a long time travel.

Right. Dragonfly is near death experiences. The doctor. Yeah. So he doesn't believe in the after life and they bring this person who ODED in a way to try

to kill themselves into the emergency room after his wife dies. And he says, I'm only interested in saving people who want to live. So this person gets sent to another doctor.

“He talks to her and she gets really upset saying, why do you bring me back?”

And he said, because there's no heaven and there's no afterlife. This is it. So you shouldn't kill yourself. And then he ends up believing in the afterlife. That's the big spoiler.

Fuck you, Cosner. And also, I'm very sorry for interrupting you David for a long time. I'm like Michael Douglas at the end of traffic. I'm here to listen. Is that what he says in traffic?

I can sit or and concede for the first time that maybe drugs are bad.

Listening to.

Well, it's because Harrison Ford was interested and they added a bunch of scenes

to that character. And then Harrison Ford decided not to do that. But he's like a really good rest of the kind of movie that his viewers wanted. Is he a agent? He's the drugs are right.

The idea and traffic is that he has been appointed drugs are the more on drugs. And then it turns out his daughter is a heroin addict.

“So is he like listening to, I think, like, the other drug, he comes to her like her AA”

or what her it is. Right. He's he's understanding the human struggle within a thing that he has viewed as. I recently read. It's like memoir.

Can grab more. Yeah. And obviously one of the more interesting things about Edzwick is the two Oscar nominations

he got were for producing movies that other people directed.

So it shakes beer and love and traffic. Why? Yeah. I mean, he may have gotten other, I think those were his only two now. I think so.

And he has an Oscar. He sure does. And he talks about that. Yeah, for best Shakespeare and love. But so he asked to devote chapters to those movies that he did not make.

And he's, you know, it's interesting. Anyway, he talks about traffic. And yeah, apparently four to a certain point just sent a message being like, my fans don't want me in a movie like this right now. That's just, that's not a lot of that heroin.

That's Harrison Ford telling someone to kick their habit. This is Blink Check with Griffin in David. I am Griffin. I'm David. It's podcast about filmography.

He's directors who have massive success early on in their careers and are given a series of Blink checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want. And sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce baby, sometimes they hate you. Like a, a junky fucking wave, splooosh, splooosh indeed. This is a mini series on the films of Peter Weir.

I've regret to inform you, the mini series is titled "Pod Nick at Hanging Cast" because I was overruled on every week you can play. And cast-mander, the pod side of the cast has one guest agreed with you so far. This guest doesn't. Yeah.

Every guest is like, not yet, not yet. Today joining us, returning to the show, a dear friend to talk about the last wave. He is the writer and director of the new, just about to be released, recently released. That's actually the funniest thing about this is by the time this comes out. Our 22nd, it will already been at South by, and it'll have reviews and it'll be about

to come out and I don't know how that's going to go. I bet it goes so good, but the last movie I made was supposed to premiere at Tribeca 2020. Yes. And interesting things happen. Yeah.

So I am like psychologically and capable of counting on anything having happening between now and when this drops, but let's just assume it all worked out and it was great. And then David, you have nothing to worry about because everything at this present moment,

the first week of February, 2026 has been normal, coming off a normal January and I can't

see any scenario in which things would get crazier. The news is great, nothing bad is happening right now. I love just watching the news and relaxing and unwinding at the end of a long day. But if you're looking to get amped up and have a good time, you can watch Mike and Nick and Nick and Alice on Hulu.

And Disney clues, the main thing that matters is some day we're going to find out what Sims thinks of all the Gilmore girls references in it. I mean, you get to see the picture. I have not yet seen it. I want to.

I have seen a twice. It has a tremendous amount of Gilmore girls. Well, I am. That's a spoiler.

“It's a dramatically interwoven, as I think, and David knows, I may a very, very deeply”

devoted fan of the television show Gilmore girls. I've written about it quite thoroughly once on a date, a girl that I was on a date with realized that I was the David Simo's VAB club, not a celebrity to be clear. She was like, oh, right. And then she was like, wait, did she write that Gilmore girls thing?

And I was like, huh? And then she called it up and started like reading it to me being like, I can't believe a boy wrote this, not in a bad way. She was sort of, she was positive, but she was also like, this is crazy. That's like the when Harry Metz Halley scene.

Back then, Harry Fisher quotes Bruno Kirby to him, yes, I wrote that. Yeah, yeah, I mean, this is pretty precious. I never quote articles. They were good scene. Yeah, um, didn't work out, but a great, great, great, great, my condolences.

Back then, Gilmore girls, you know, people, people lived in the shadows are guests today during a great art. There we go. David Grbenzki, aka, a joke we somehow didn't call out in your previous episode, Ben David Griffinzki, your name already contains two out of the three.

Harry of us, and it requires very few letters to make it all three. If I remember correctly, it was a different time because I lived in Los Angeles than

“I live in New York now, so it feels like, life times ago, I think it was hours into it”

when someone said, wait, your name's Ben David, and we keep saying Ben and David, this might be confusing. Yes, yes, when I set you on the podcast, it's sometimes gets our little names for multiple

Great question.

“I think, in the same way that you guys had that, we had a junk, we had that pattern”

and a junk. John Travolta on the podcast that ended up happening in a whole other podcast, where it was almost like verbatim, and I was like, I feel like I've heard this conversation somewhere. I realized like, we had had it.

I bet you this was asked the last time. I may have been, I'm sorry. But if it wasn't, I was named Ben David, I was born on Lincoln's birthday in Lincoln, in Nebraska, and my parents were going to name me Abe, and when they were sleep deprived, someone thought, that's kind of weird, so we're going to name a Ben David, and there was

never any reason in given being.

You know, just the kid. My 42, there was a pivot off of Abe, let's find something normally, make kind of crashed two normal names. There's been no explanation ever, that was just an impulsive thing, someone thought of. So your birthday is in a week or so, if you're born in Abraham Lincoln's birthday, which

is of course, February 12, excuse me. David and I, our birthdays are exactly one week apart, and we're very close. All right. So I got like, when Marissa's at that desk, it is the desk that is closest to me, and reserved for the person whose birthday is closest to Mike.

All right.

“So last year, Griffin, I had a joint birthday party.”

We did. And then the bartender made a very special elaborate drink. The birthday boy. It was a cool thing. There was a loyal longtime blankie, and I was amazing.

It's some can harbor club in New York City, one of our favorite bars. If not, our number one favorite bar. One of the great Tiki bars in New York City. It's incredible. It's a wonderful place.

And it's a, it's a Tiki bar minus all problematic elements. Yeah. It is a thing I want to actually, I mean, really more of a like, not a cold bar. It is right. It's like an undersea bar.

It is Tiki style drinks in basically what feels like 20,000 leagues under the sea.

It's like old British crusty men. It's closer to a master and commander bar. Now listeners might be surprised to learn that part of the deal with some of the drinks. There's a little performance. There's some performance.

There's sugar. There's lights. There's music. The place feels like a high-end kind of Disney attraction where you feel like a theme park. You feel like you're underwater and that you hear the waves shuffling.

Shocking that Griffin Newman would gravitate to her. I know that this is his favorite. We share many common interests. I should mention Ben David's other major credits. Of course, Scott Pilgrim takes off the phone happily and most importantly, founding member

of the historic group text, the Fordiex Club, which despite Sims' jokes is not a sausage party and in fact, we are the comfortable male identifying minority in the group text. This is the Fordiex Club is a matriarchy. Wait, it's 40% of the Fordiex group, man. I think that's true.

Correct. All right. Anyway, we got to get to the punch line of this drink. I think I've ever accused Fordiex of being too male. I called out the Fordiex Club and you went, oh, bet there was a lot of women in that

you're a great gag by me. This group text has binders full of women. Three. Three binders. Sunk and Harper Club, Tom Wolfs and sets us up, a gentleman and a scholar.

I will let you now deliver the punch line. So, at some point, they're like, well, here's the birthday boy. He calls me over and there's birthday boys plural, but they can be a benefit. Only one. And you can explain what happened.

He hands me an envelope with like a red light key train to locate a hidden message that I then sail out to the bartender. And then I believe they start playing the Lalo Schiffin music. Do an entire act out of being suspicious and trying to sneak around the bar and then construct something and light it on fire and hand it to me with like a lot of pomp and circumstance.

And I go, like, did you just fucking see that? How fucking cool was that?

“We get like a mission impossible drink for a birthday, you should go up and order it.”

And I hand you the envelope and I'm like, here's the password. And then what happens? And the guy's like, oh, we only plan one because it's his birthday. We have exactly one amount of time. And I have an IMF tattoo.

I ran a mission impossible to website in high school and I didn't get the mission impossible drink. So, I think the great thing about New York is it's just humbling. Ever since I moved here, every single situation just, you know, they're like, you don't get a mission impossible drink.

And I'm like, well, that's good. It's also funny that the left side of your tattoo is part one. And the right side of your tattoo is something different. This is the final tattoo.

It just is like, no, nobody was always supposed to be this design.

I think we should. Wait, I've one more thing about Tiki bars. So, you know, it's a trainer's sandwich at Disneyland. Yeah, I'm correct. I was watching for the first time recently the Eddie Murphy Haunted Mansion.

Oh, yeah. Not a good at all. They shoot a scene in trading sams. Yes. It had just opened.

It's kind of over-lit. It is. That whole movie I would say is over-lipper Haunted House comedy. Well, Rob. Rob Minkov, you know, there was a cartoon director.

So, yeah, kind of big light on the cartoons as you drew, maybe, and he never learned this lesson. Sams, that's an incredible insight. You're right.

mission. Draw in the dark. So animators don't know how to shoot live action other than to trust us. Hey, it's me David Sims. I'm here to teach film 101.

Why is the Haunted Mansion over-lit? Uh, I don't know, cartoonists need big lights to see all the cartoons they draw. And then go off on set with a big bullhorn. I need to eat anymore desk lamps. Can't see everything.

Pointing desk lamps at Eddie Murphy's side. That movie ends with a Nellie song that samples the theme from People's Court. Yes. Sounds pretty good. Yeah.

“Who else is in the Haunted Mansion with Eddie Murphy?”

Well, there's one slam dunk piece of casting, which is Terrence Stamp as a creepy Butler, like as a Ghost Butler. Okay. And then Wallace Sean is like a creepy horseman. Wallace.

Chargeman. Wait.

Sean is indeed, it seems maybe third build, which I love the guy.

Yeah. Maybe you're in trouble if he's that high up on the call sheet. But he's ever's an ever's ability. He's trying to sell the Haunted Mansion, hitting his family, have to stay there for nights.

Most of it is his wife and his two children, Marsha Thompson, is that maybe the name of the actor? So you want a great transition? Please, Marsha Thompson. There we go.

We've lost, which clearly was inspired by Fearless, yeah, because we're making it weird today. Today, we're talking about the last wave, Peter Wier's third film. What is interesting about Peter Wier's career versus many other directors we've covered is like these three films kind of come out as like one movement of expression.

Right? Like he sort of just like, yeah, they sort of all right, they, it's not like I have been simultaneously, but he right, he sets several balls rolling, and so when it's not like he did the last, we'll talk about it, but like he did the last wave, based off of his success of picnic and hanging around.

It was already well-in-motion by the time picnic was in post-production. Right, the success of picnic got him a little extra money for this, but yeah, these three films just sort of like started rolling at the same time and then come out in very short succession. Only true, and I guess it's sort of the breadth of, I mean, Galipoli is probably the

big thing for him, but like, and you're living there just like, but like the breadth of like genres, moods, tones that he's showing here, if I'm in Hollywood, I'm kind of like, oh, this guy feels like you could do a lot of stuff, like a lot of a lot of them on anything. Our favorite types of directors, to cover talk about like early in your career, you start

“to strategize, how do I not get pigeonholed into being one thing?”

How do I prove that I can make all different types of movies? A lot of careers go astray when someone is like, I want to prove that I can make this kind

of thing, and then their second film of band ends everything, their first film does well

and their career stumbles, but Peter Rear kind of has the perfect version of it where the first three movies he's like, "Here's a fucking tapestry. Let me work." Yeah. When did you see the last way for the first time?

Yeah. Ben David Gransky. Because for me, it's a couple nights ago. Yeah. You hadn't seen it before?

No. I mean, I respect that. No, no, no. I simply had not. I don't know.

And I don't know. Yeah. So, like, we're as one of my guys, and based on actually what you just talked about, it was like a real accidental thing, right? Like, three movies as a kid that meant everything to me, but I didn't know like what directors

were besides like, everyone who Tim Burton was and like Spielberg. But I seen Deadpool at society, which I fucking loved. In school, they show me Gallipoli, which traumatized me. And I just watched it two days ago, and it made me cry so hard. I almost vomited.

Things didn't go great in Gallipoli.

“But Gallipoli has, I think, it is maybe the saddest movie ever.”

I was like, I got so upset. I was like an adult, and I cried so hard. I almost didn't. Ben David knows me well enough that he texted the other night. I advised you to not watch Gallipoli right before recording, because I think the ending

will leave you in a bad mood. And I was like, oh, good, night before. And with someone just staring into the camera being like, fuck Griffin Newman, by the way. Like, I sucks. But that was the fuck.

It's a bad pod cast. I didn't roll the credit. Who's the fuck wrote this? The end of the movie. Paul Panler's character from early edition, then I got post from our Reddit.

Yes, the movie is Mel Gibson, looking at the camera and saying, Griffin Newman's Arnold impression is terrible. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm not going to fly you on that. It's an argument.

The other movie was witness, which I saw on TV with commercials on my KUTP 45. And as a kid, like, you know, Raiders and Han Solo, like that was your shit. And I watched witness. And I'm like, this is the greatest thing ever. Correct.

Correct reaction.

But also just that I'd never seen anything like it because it's like, you think you're

watching like a top movie, but you're also watching this unbelievable sad love story and like this introduction of the world of the omniscient. And I'm like, this is like the greatest movie ever. So like these three movies that I really like, and I've no idea like through the same

And then the, I say, I was obsessed with Truman Show. Like I have the score on CD and I would like listen to it all the time. But what happened, the reason I got into this movie is a very dumb and weird. But like Garden State, but in a different way, my freshman year of college, I saw Donnie Darko and I was so into it.

And the thing I couldn't put a finger on was like, the vibe of like the world is ending. And this is melancholy. And but it's also not devastating. It's sort of like this slow crawl where like a lead character is sort of feeling like the world around him.

It's like reaching the end. But also the world around him is like revealing itself.

It's explaining what he maybe had always kind of felt and couldn't put his finger on.

And I did this thing back then. I was like very formative for me, which is if I really like to movie, I'd try to figure out what inspired the director, which is how I ended up becoming such a huge Demi fan was because like PT wouldn't stop talking about him. And there was an interview with Richard Kelly where he mentioned the last wave.

And I'm like, what the fuck is the last wave? So I got it from Netflix DVD mailed to me and I watched it and it like flocked to me up. And I hadn't seen Twin Peaks yet. I actually saw what I think I watched Twin Peaks for the first time, like actually right after that.

And I hadn't seen a ton of Lynch and there was a mood to it that felt very singular. And now I realize that like if there's a feel like masters of it, but that thing of just the mounting dread, the reality and the things you're imagining are your dreams kind of

bleeding into each other and it just really clicked for me.

And I think I realized later, my love of both of those movies at the time and now is actually partially. I'm gonna get weird. It's connected to like growing up super Christian. Like I was, I went to like a Christian school from like age five to like 12 and went

to way too much church and like Baptist church. And they made you feel 24/7, like the world was gonna end at any moment and if you're not saved, you're fucked.

“So it's like you need to like become a Christian before the rapture and the end times”

are real and all this stuff. And I think I grew up really genuinely thinking that the world was gonna end because of that omnipresent feeling. It is wild that that's a thing. Yeah.

It's like where I would have like nightmares thinking I was gonna wake up and all my friends are be gone and I was like alone. Instead, you should just tell your kids like, I don't know, be nice to each other. Like, no, almost all forms of Christianity have some underpinning of like, and if the apocalypse happens tomorrow, that'll actually be good news.

I would disagree with that. I would say because for the Christian, he do not. I would say it's the more, well, the more kind of like we really read the book and everything and it is true types that are like, no, no, no, no, no, like the world's gotta end for shit to be really good.

Well, what are the blander Christianity's more in the realm of like guys to each other? Yeah. And that's the stuff I like. Right. You know, that's not to defend Christianity, which is bad.

No, no, yes. Yeah, sure. I love.

“Well, I would say I think that there's something very escapist for me about movies about”

the end of the world. They're not like, you know, Judeo Christian where it's about like the separate thing, where you can enjoy it. And then it's not like a callback to some kind of weird childhood like trauma about that stuff.

I think this movie is kind of about the like peeling back of a Judeo Christian societal structure that was imposed upon a stolen land, you know, like part of it is this white guy South American in origin. I guess so who's kind of like these born there, maybe he's the son of a diplomat or something. Right.

Like it's not contested.

Now that we know he certainly was born there, I've never been wrong on this podcast.

What the hell, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, certainly no. And I want to make this clear any time I've been wrong, I am reading verbatim from the dossiers of JJ. He writes all his book, who will never be fired, but will always take the fall. No, but that it's sort of him like recognizing that there has been a suppression of the

rules of the land and the world and life, that this Judeo Christian movement placed themselves on top of and have been like smothering. Right. It's like him peeling back the layers to like the fuck is actually going on here. It's definitely a, right, it's a little bit about whatever's up with his bland ass as

well as the wider, you know, implications of colonialism and the arrival of white people in this country that is not their own, uh, totally chill arrival, right, with no issues.

“And then possibly, yes, like, I mean, I think Peter, we're just loves the idea of like,”

what if this like really prosaic really fucking by the numbers guy had to believe in kind of magic. You know, like, like, you know, had to confront the supernatural.

a premonition, like that was the correct, totally, an amazing idea and we have to kind of think like, start thinking like, is that was that real, right, just a weird dream.

“But I think there's something to what you're saying of like, you know, white people, uh,”

showing up, not just wanting to like, uh, reap the riches of the land and massacre the people and claim everything for their own, but also be like, and by the way, we come from our country where we cracked society. We understand how everything works. Here's the system, everyone can form to us now and the indigenous people of whatever country

they have taken over, hostily, are sort of forced to figure out how they exist in relation to that being the dominant societal structure. It's very similar to the movie Dragonfly. It's very similar to the movie Dragonfly, which is now available digitally from our friends at Universal Home Entertainment.

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I'm surprised you had never seen this before David.

Because you love weird, although I've recently said we're one of your main guys and you went, it's less like one of my main guys, and more that he's made some movies that are amongst my favorites, and that he feels like a perfect encapsulation of the type of director I like to cover on exactly that. But I do love love love love love love love love love.

Yeah, a handful of the movies he's made. I mean, I tend to pretty much like the rest of them. That's a pretty bad poet society, which we will talk about, not a movie I hate, but a movie I'm very mixed on. Sims was the, was the, the negative Nellie on that episode, because he all tends to your wife

then. Oh, she's positive Nellie, of course, I just don't want anyone to get a mixed up.

I've never always, how I describe them, there's negative Nellie in positive Nellie and

one of the Sims. I've never seen them. Maybe that's the way just so it's, yeah, I don't know, I don't know what the meaner version is. Yeah.

Well, positive works. Sure. I'm never seen the way back. Is the other one? I haven't seen the green card in the way back, and but the rest, I've seen a lot of movie

I adore. The way back, it's just kind of crazy that I haven't seen it because like, It's wild that you didn't see it because corn ferals. And it was the follow-up to master and grandeur. Like, yes. But of course, when it came out, everyone was like snooze. And I was like, oh, I guess I won't bother. I got a makeup nomination. It was like enough at the periphery of the Oscar conversation that I'm even surprised.

“I didn't watch it that year because that feels like peak obsessive. What if I watch literally every single comment?”

But it got those classic snooze reviews, or everyone was just like, oh, it's fine. I suppose. You know, like, it was just no enthusiasm for it. I've heard a couple of whispers of people being like, you know, that movie's underrated over the years, but very little. I also think it's interesting that we're was kind of a perfect example of a director who was beloved within the industry.

But he was not really a household name. When you look at his like 90s films, they're sold as from the director of Blank and Blank.

“But Peter Weir was not kind of like known to the public as no tour as much, and it feels like outside of Australia, where I think the first four or five films are so impactful.”

And he's such an important figure in the Australian new wave that there was a real kind of hometown hero, a immediate kind of like claiming of him. But I feel like when the way back comes out the mastering commander, I've had not fully. I was there, but you were there, but it was a little bit of an outside opinion. Yeah, it was like the best movie ever made, yes. But if like two years ago, they were like Peter Weir has returned to the cinema. People would be more. With a certain refugee drama called the way back, people would be hooting a holiday. I'm not saying to make a hundred million dollars.

Oh, no. But there would be an order. Right. But he has long been a director who is taken seriously, who, you know, makes big movies blah, blah, blah, blah. But people do not stand in the way. No, that's, you know, some bigger tours. No, I do think mastering commander growing made certain people revisit and do what you're saying, Ben David, a being like, oh fuck, he directed all five of those movies. I love and there's been a little bit more of a retrospective of tourists swing on. Now, why did you, Ben David, vibe with this movie supposed to be like, well, you said already, basically.

I was, but I would say that did you catch an DVD like, well, it was never saying that's like, it's got in the mail.

There is a proto quickster. The funny thing about there's like stuff that like you gravitate towards that also is not at all.

“Like it's not your sensibility, like the stuff you're making, but a thing to me that I think is magic if you can do it is the movies that make it,”

make it where you blurring the lines between what's actually happening and what's not getting, making you feel like you're in the same headspace as the person. My favorite of all time with that is perfect blue. Yes, the, the, the, the movies are my favorite execution of that, which is also one of my favorite things. It's like, if someone can make me feel like I'm losing my grip on reality alongside the lead character, I think that's just like a real. There's almost like a sense, there's like a magic to it, like between editing and sound design and music and this movie to me is.

One of the most effective, like he's taking stuff that's in picnic at hanging rock, which I think is a better movie. I'd say I think it's one of the best movies ever made, but this movie leaves really hard into the feeling you get in the first third of that, like when they're on that trip. That thing were like nature and, you know, this cosmic, almost like a cosmic horror kind of thing. It's like a very, very sophisticated prestige. Yes, version of that. It's also, I will say, not an easy movie to sell someone under scribe in any way.

Like we'll get into it in the dossier, but fascinating thing is that the success and at least like the critical sort of notoriety of picnic at hanging rock translated to united artists,

“putting up a good chunk of the budget for this movie because they felt like, is we're someone who's about to translate over to the state?”

Which was true, and when they watched the final film, they were like, "Yeah, you can sell it to someone else to release it. We don't want to put this out." They had put the money into it. It's a weird one. And production was done and they were like, "Fill for a shot." I mean, I'm not shocked because I think they saw it and they were probably like, "This is very Australian."

This is not something that's going to translate, and my wife was like, "What's she like comes in as I want?" Like what's it about? I'm like, "Well, um, and I really struggled to lay out the setup of the movie." There is like a two sentence you could give on this movie that would not represent it well, but would actually be conveying the major movements of it. If that makes sense. I guess so.

Yeah, it's like there's a white guy in a sort of town kind of in the outback who gets drawn into a crime or an alleged crime, and discovers that there's maybe like a sort of supernatural thing going on, or a sort of, you know, ancient religious, you know, kind of thing going on, and then maybe he's sort of involved with it, like taxis. For natural, perhaps a represent, aboriginal murder in digging deeper understands that perhaps there was a supernatural phenomenon coming on that also points for the end of days.

It's a bit right, it's a bit hard to just kind of lay out. That's not wrong, but I just said, but also if you said that to someone, they would not picture the movie that exists. Well, I mean, I didn't watch it because, like, I'd read the premise and the premise sounded amazing. I watched it because I was, you know, being an idiot going down a rabbit hole of like, oh, like, you know, Richard Kelly said he liked it and blah, blah, blah.

And they're solving something that is kind of bigger than the thing where like, I love that I love when it's like a lawyer or a journalist or a saxophone player or something where like someone who's from the out, who doesn't traditionally every day wake up and try to solve some gigantic, unsolvable thing. Like a movie about deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper. Like a movie about like a white man jazz saxophonist who starts to realize there's a weird pattern relating to the number 23 and needs to get to the bottom of it.

You're saying that's your ideal kind of movie. I thought you were sort of like the movie deep red. There are actually so many movies about like jazz players who get involved in a big scary mystery. And they'll bigger mystery than 23. I've yet to hear a bigger number cause that much damage. I haven't seen it because I didn't, I fucked up and I didn't watch it when I was 23 and now I got away Tom 46.

Someone very earnestly recently. I hope he doesn't hear this and think I'm mocking him. I was talking to me and said, I've never noticed how the number 23 is everywhere.

And I was like, is this a bit, do you know about the movie number 23? And he wasn't aware that anyone else had ever said that before. He was just noticing. He hadn't seen the picture. No, yeah. He just was like, he thought he was the first guy to notice that the number 23 was everywhere. It is funny movies like number 23 and pay it forward that are just like immediately met with derision and bomb. But also, even before they're released, they're like, we're just going to pluck this and put it into the vernacular.

No one has seen the movie. Everyone's seen the trailer. We all want to make number 23 jokes for the rest of our lives. I think you're in that movie. So it's probably wrong. I think you were like 17 note short. The fingerwork is so specific. And so the didgery do I think is the second best instrument after the alto sax just because I played that. You played that. I just played it. No, I'm just saying like, I wish I did. I think that it is anything that is both an instrument and also sounds like sound design to me.

That's sick in my opinion. I'm opening the dossier crack of the film. Yep.

Peter we're second film was pick and hang in rock and come out in 1975. It was a huge success in the country of Australia.

And then it was it was a global success, but it took years. So it really only gets to America in 1979, which is two years after the last wave comes out.

“So that's how, you know, slowly things are going now.”

Stanley Kubrick was a huge fan of pick and hang in rock. He had very good taste. Also, I can't remember if we called this out in the episode. He, way, this. Some point before he died wrote a list of his hundred favorite movies of all time. People often obsess over said list. First that a pair is on that list. He was specifically locked in on that from release.

Yes, sure we've called it out. Okay. Well, who knows. The possible to say he recommended to Warner Brothers that they hire him to do the Salem's lot TV. The sort of legendary TV adaptation Salem's lot, which of course was instead directed by McHarris.

Is that right, everyone? So McHarris do Salem's lot? Larry Cohen to the second one. I think it's McHarris. Unless he did one of the other.

Do we hoop her? I wasn't making sure. That was really scary. With the famous, with the more info, which I would show you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, no, JJ wrote that down. When I interviewed Ranko with her sinners, he brought up Salem's lot.

The book, which is an incredible book, as like a book about like,

you don't realize that everyone's fucking turning into a Dracula until like, you know, it's almost over, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, yeah, and then the TV thing.

“And he was like, honestly, actually never seen the TV thing.”

And I was like, right, but then at the same time, we were like, the boy at the wedding, I was like, everyone's seen that. I was like, everyone knows that one scene. Yeah. Anyway, he gets pregnant for that.

We're passes. He's kind of skeptical of making the Hollywood jump at that point in time. Yeah, he's kind of like, perhaps wisely, like, I don't think I can handle like jumping from this quiet indie, you know, off the grid, Australia, and Nason film scene

to like the horrors of harsh Hollywood, right? Makes sense. He's like, I like to write my own material. I know I'll probably film a broad one day, but, you know,

“I think I need to build up some more confidence.”

I mean, good for him. So, obviously, Australia is pretty still tough to make a movie. You got to really scrape your money together, right? You know, it's like a little bit of, you know, government money, a little bit of like, you know,

random little companies and stuff like that. But the Australia new wave is also basically developing in like perfect tandem parallel with his career. Like he said, as he made each success of film in his career, the industry around him had leveled up.

And the amount of money that people were willing to invest into movies in the government grants and all of that,

that his ambitions were growing. He, in 1971, made a little trip to Tunisia. Cool. Saw some Roman ruins, and was very like sort of seized by it. And was like digging up stone thinking like,

I'm going to find like a head. He felt a premonition, right? And then he says he, he finds like a chunk of stone

that was first attached to a head.

Must have been part of a cupate. He says he smuggled it out of Tunisia, which is kind of a, you know, I just wanted to alert you to stop crime. I know you like it.

Feel like anything in the dossier is homework, classic Ben Kryptonite. But in fact, this anecdote is about Peter, we are stealing ruins. So he, he got it dated at the University of Sydney

and confirmed right. He still has it, or at least at the time he, you know, it was like on his desk or whatever. So he's like, huh, I'm a pretty pragmatic guy. And yet I felt like I had like a weird premonition.

And that's why I did that insane thing.

“So what if that's like the origin of the idea for a movie?”

Yes. He's one of the odd guy. That's a weird way to describe. Do you know what's a weird thing we've uncovered, Ben David,

and doing these first couple of episodes?

Do you know that Peter Rear was like very involved in sketch comedy? Oh. That he like performed wrote and directed sketch comedy when he was young. I think like started and called it extended outside of it. And it was his early work in film darts.

So he's original Jordan peel. Kind of. And then his filmmaking is like, Oh, this is like an interesting medium that can combine all these different things I've done. Like, you know, I've done photography.

I've done that worked with actors. I've performed. But it's funny because even the movies he has made that are comedic. Do not feel like they come from someone with a background in sketch comedy.

In a way, I would argue like, "Cregor and Peel have kind of like sketch comedy machinery built into their storytelling motor." But there's not comic timing built into the editing even in a draw way of weird stuff.

“Like, you know, Truman Show is almost anti-comedy in a way”

where it's undercutting any possible laughs you can create. Correct. That's fascinating. You see like, "Cregor and Peel construct horror set pieces with a kind of sketch comedy brain for structure."

And timing. When he's making TV, Luke's Kingdom, which I don't think was sketch comedy, but one of his early TV things, he met. And I want to get it.

I'm not totally sure how to say his name, but David Gulpillow. I mean, Gulpillow is how it's called Gulpillow. That's the name of his next picture. Who had been in walk about, obviously, that's like his,

you know, breakout role, which is an incredible movie.

The necklace broke one of you. Well, but so he meets him there. And initially, we are had been conceiving of this sort of mystical project of his as being about like ink and ruins or whatever.

And he starts talking to him about like, you know, Aboriginal people and their, you know, their culture and their religion and like whatever. And he grew.

“He's like, I've never really fucking, you know,”

Delved into this. You've despite being Australian. Like, I don't know much about this. The movie feels like him forcing himself to do the work that the character is doing.

Right. Yes. Like the process of making the movie is like a self imposed. Like, I need to think more deeply about the land I'm standing on. He, he, this is, I'm quoting, we are here,

but he gets drunk with a guy. And he says, uh, GoPro married a detribalized woman moved her to the city became an actor. He broke his tribal laws and the course of a conversation. He said something like this last week,

my wife was very upset with me because of the great space. Because the great space had left me and there I stood. And that was because the moon was there. I thought maybe I'd had too much to drink and ask him to repeat that and he repeated the same thing.

And then he's repeated a third time. It turned out the, you know, premonitions were very ordinary for him. And I became very excited. And I was confronted by a basic error that made

my assessment of tribal aboriginals that they perceived life the way I did. So he's very suddenly drawn to collaborating with him and like writing it about, you know, people in Australia, the country he lives it.

And all the aboriginal actors he cast in this film were very involved in the script from the moment they were hired. He basically was like, tell me what I don't know. That actor was also on the leftovers, which was heavily inspired by.

Right. A bunch of weird movies. He's such a, I mean, he's in Robert, he's in Crocodile, Dundee. He's in Australia and far away down.

He's in Australia, I think, by law. Everyone in the cast of that movie. They were like, "Get all of the Australian actors." Yeah. He was a mini series on Hulu.

But that's far away down now. It has a different title. Oh, it does it? Yes, it does. In a movie called Charlie's Country, like about 10 years ago,

I'd movie that I think did not really cross over. But it was a big deal in Australia. It was kind of like the Australian film industry being like, we recognize your, your, the wealth of your career and all this. It was his kind of his fucking color of money.

True great. Yeah, true great. He died fairly personally. Uh, yeah, he died in 2021. Richard Chamberlain died like in the last year.

Yeah. David, David, David, this is actually coming down. This is the single worst place to confess that. What being recorded?

No, he, he died, never married and had no children.

Richard Chamberlain? Yeah. He, he came out late in life. But he was, he was a kind of don't ask don't tell Hollywood, barely closeted man who did in his memoirs.

I think in the early 2000s. He finally was sort of like, by the way, this is, this is a thing. Um, so anyway, he starts to crack this story. He brings on Tony Morphitt, who'd worked on Luke's kingdom to write it with him. And then Petru Pepescu, who had worked with weird before was brought in to make the script more appealing to potential investors.

“Make it more commercial, I think, basically.”

He's got the script as two weird and he kind of cleansed up, although I think it's still a little weird. Yeah, he's got the Michael Wright brothers who produced the first two movies on board with this. Sure. In between podcasting and tabletop campaigns. Indeed.

And so they all get to work on it. He says he admits where it mits.

He could never really figure out the ending of this movie.

Well, I could kind of crack it by just ending with a big ass wave. He said, uh, I didn't really find a solution to the problem of how to end it. There is no ending. I was kind of painted into a corner. Uh, and, uh, you tried to be clever. I tried a couple other endings that stopped short of a way of their retreat. Um, and so he decided to end with a big old way.

I think the ending works. I wonder what you do. I mean, I just sort of like, I didn't have the resources to show more of an apocalypse. I think it's the kind of ending that is going to send a bunch of your audience out going, like, Oh, right, right, like, not going up being like, you kind of see this movie.

I just saw like, you know, like, it's definitely a head scratcher. But it's an ending that bucket is definitively answered something is happening, which is kind of all the movie needs to make good on in my mind to conclude properly.

“I think the part of the ending that I struggle with is, um,”

I don't really think they like set up and pay off the cyclical nature of like opening with someone stealing,

um, these relics and then him trying to steal them and then killing the guy in the process.

Like, it feels very kind of out of nowhere that he's so determined to bring those things out with them or like his intention behind doing it. I don't, doesn't really track. I like the idea of that kind of biblical come up and swear he gets trapped, and the more he gets trapped, he keeps dropping the things until he has nothing left. Like that feels like a good idea.

I don't love that stuff, but what I do love is the titular last wave. I like that. I agree with that. That's a good point. I also would say my criticism of the ending would be knowing that they specifically brought

extra writers in to try to help this movie appeal to American audiences with kind of Hollywood view point. Big must miss opportunity to not have stitch hanging ten on that wave. He's one of our biggest stars. The man's consistent box off his gold. I struggle with this joke.

You and with the stick came you the thing right there. The audience. It's on a joke. It's a great point. The audience is cheering. He does not sing the fucking box office.

But then Peter weir would have story credit on Lilo and Stitch because he created stitch. That's the way time works. That is the way time works. The last wave, we are just not seeing it as like an end of the world movie. It's more just like a catastrophe.

It's what he's seeing. It's not a total life. It's not like total apocalypse. He also doesn't think it's an occult movie. It's like I don't want to sound pretentious, but it's spiritual.

It's a spiritual movie. It's ambiguous. And here's on what he's going for. Moody's going for. I was frightened by a noise heard outside my window last night.

A rasping in human sound would seem to come from nowhere. That's a fear we've all experienced at one time or another. Some choose to forget such fears.

“I choose to remember them and use them in my work.”

I kind of know what he's going for there. And like the creepiest dream in this movie, the one where you're kind of going up the stairs. The noise is kind of like a noise like that. That like weird noise you're hearing.

Very cool.

Yeah. This move right.

One of the key things pillars of this movie is the idea that dreams are method of communication.

That they are not abstract processing, but they are an attempt for the universe, for spirits, for souls, for what have you to be able to communicate something to you. And non-literal way. Kind of like how frequency there's a radio that allows you to talk to dead people. So did frequency and then podcasting.

Or did I just do real Bill Bill Simmons? No, no. Frequency and then the podcasting Peter, we're invented instead. But they use a CB radio from the past to connect to the future to find out who Stitch was to put Stitch in the finale. See, I thought the joke you're going to make is they should play the song "Wipe Out" at the end.

Yeah, I'll make that joke too. Okay. Did you play this song "Wipe Out" at the end? Wipe out, right? Audience would have left here.

So, I don't know. Stand by it. I think we're making good points. Maybe it's a mashup and it's like the final wipe out. Yeah, I get a bunch of money.

I just steam rolling all the way up. Yes, they get some money, Janice Films, Southern Australia. Okay, it doesn't matter. Come on, Jesus. We're not doing that too much.

Richard Chamberlain. Best known I would say is Dr. Kill Dare on NBC. They called him the King of the Miniseries. Well, that's true. I do feel like that is because he's in the original show.

That was a huge show.

“He does the yard birds after this, which I think comes out of him enjoying his time.”

The yard birds is like the band. I'm going to correct JJ's typo here. Hold on one second. It's not flaming during another TV miniseries. He's called Centennial, not one I know.

But that was like a big show in the 70s.

But I've never seen Dr. Kill Dare.

But that was like a show in the six, right? That was like a popular doctor show in the earlier days of television, right? Yeah, that was really correct. But also the miniseries, which is now basically just become the prestige TV show, was a very powerful thing in the 70s.

And he was kind of the go to leading man. Right. He's a good-looking guy. He's a classically hand some broad shoulder steady voice man. Right, yes.

You don't see him and go like holy shit. This is the best fucking actor I ever saw. No, but I think he's quite good in this. And it's smart casting because there is something unnerving about watching this guy who just feels like really kind of on top of it,

just get a little frazzled and thrown aside. Oh, you said I now pronounce you truck and Larry. No, what does he play? He plays. He's pretty buried in it.

Councilman banks. He's not buried in it. He thrives in it. Thank you. Does he?

I imagine he must be presiding over the court.

“There's definitely, I think he gives like a speech.”

Like where he's like you two have done great things. Thank you for solving the thing. Marriage. Because that is a movie that at the end they're like, and you guys are heroes too for doing this.

Yeah, people applaud them. You're not gay, but you are heroes. He's the heroes as Alexander Payne. And Jim Taylor for getting writing credit on that. Yeah.

So Richard Chamberlain, you know, he's American actor. But the, and the Australian sort of press was a little grumpy. I've think about the fact that this movie didn't star an Australian. And like we're just kind of like, I don't know. Like he's a famous guy and he was written the movie.

Like he just not, he's no hangups about casting with your Chamberlain. Yeah. The right look. Yeah. He does.

It also does sound like he, in not wanting to try to make the jump over to Hollywood movies. He was trying to figure out the way to make his movies play more in the state. Like it felt like that was a defensive chess move of if my movies can have some North American box office poll. Then perhaps I can say an Australian for even longer.

Uh, right. Right. I mean, which cool. Right. Richard Chamberlain's like the cheapest version of a leading man.

You can get because he's not as much a movie guy. While feeling very comfortable to American audiences. Yes. I think he's quick at this. I think he knew that.

Yeah. Yes. That's also. Yes. We'll stitch.

Um, so more important.

“I think is that we're like meets with the sort of original cultural foundation in Darwin, Australia.”

And basically like the vibe he's like he's like, you can't just like show up and be like,

Anyway, making a movie. Can you like show me some guys like can you introduce me to the right people? Like you got to be like, here's the story. I want to tell. Does this, you know, is this palatable is this interesting to peep?

You know, like you, you want to be very sensitive and respectful. Um, and so he's, you know, introduced to people.

And, you know, he kind of just like keeps quiet and observes and talks and reads more.

Um, look, there's a lot of things in this docile thing, just not going to get it. It's just too much JJ. Just a lot of factual errors. It's just, I mean, look, he did a lot of work, finding the right actors. Okay.

I'm sorry. It's so I did with information. There we go. Um, and obviously he already knew David Goldfield. Because he had worked with him before.

They shot the movie, Russell Boyd shoots it. His, his go to cinematography. Russell Boyd or John Seal. Right. John Seal is so emotionally.

I think voids number two. Uh, that's how they meet. And then, of course, becomes a legendary cinematographer in his own right. Boyd, a relationship that runs through to mastering command. Yeah.

When the Oscar hit the, it's the only tech Oscar that, uh, Lord of the Rings, they were shown in the king was not nominated. Yes. No, I remember which was crazy. Because it, it won every single category.

You're less than he is an Australian cinematographer. Yes. And he has one obviously for fellowship. And I think he was like, I don't know. It's so weird that he wasn't nominated for, it doesn't matter.

“But I remember that night watching the Oscar rings 11 out of 11.”

But cinematography having this weird tension to it. Well, you're like, this is the only category we can't predict. Because it's the one you can't put return of the king down for. Uh, yeah. Exactly.

And he deservedly won an Oscar there. Um, obviously with last wave, he goes blue. He, he, he, he, it's working quite blue. It's a big one for real blue look. Yep.

That's actually something Peter weird talks about his interviews with the movie. Is that, uh, he wanted picnic to have golden light. And we just want to have blue and light. I think nailed it on assignment nailed. Yeah.

Uh, the raining frogs. They wanted to try and initially film like black rain. Mm-hmm. Like the phenomenon on a black rain could not afford. How to, like they were like, we don't know how we would do that.

And it's too expensive. Yeah. Yeah. But it just, it felt like it threw off the mood, the tone of the movie. It was too funny.

Here's how they filmed the raining frogs. Someone got in the ladder and threw some fox frogs in the parking ground. They put a magic on movies. But can't believe they ripped off Magnolia. How many ladders were used?

I know, I know there's no films set without a couple ladders.

“But do you feel like you had any ladder-aided gags in your name movie?”

Uh, yeah. Uh. So the thing I, when I watch is what I think of, well, two things, one, I grew up in Phoenix, which had like severe monsoon seasons. And I was driving to see American beauty at a press screening.

Cause I was a 16 year old film critic for the Arizona Republic for a little bit. You were saying this that you had a radio show as a teenager. And you lost your slot when your voice broke. And they no longer.

Well, I've always changed.

I got fired because I no longer sounded like a kid. And then I never got hired for work like that again. Did you have a catchy name like lights, camera Jackson? No, I had a catchy name, Ben David Grubinski. It is pretty catchy.

It is pretty catchy. It's a lot just in the memory. You sort of, unless you get to the end of a pod, realize it's been a Ben and David already. But it wasn't like Ben David Grubinski, Silver Screen. Well, I was just seeing American beauty.

And I was driving and you couldn't see two inches in front of the windshield. Because the way the monsoon rain would be then. Is it feels like the rain seems in this movie. We're like, it's completely obstructing your vision. I have been in those kinds of times.

I can pull off the road in a way for disoporining. But the other thing I think of is that I had a rain machine on a project, which I will not name. And they said, we couldn't afford it because we over budget. And I said, well, how much is my trailer?

And my trailer was more than a rain machine. So they said, fine, we can have a rain machine. After I gave up my trailer, I found out that we were under budget by half a million.

“So that's what I think of when I see rain and movie as me being petty about someone lying to me about the book.”

And then the problem is during lunch, you have to take naps on top of a rain machine.

Now, I actually did. When you don't have a trailer, what do you do? Where do you go? I just answered to take naps on top of the rain machine. Well, I'm a little bit of the people.

So I'm just going to do that. He said he did. I don't have to tell you. I'm going to just, you know, sit and hang out. You just have no place to nap.

You always have to take a picture. There's always chairs. Yeah. I've never napped because I just, if I napped, then it would just be over. Like not a good napper.

When I'm directing, I have to like at lunch. Like if I'm especially from writing it to like go over the pages and like work out stuff, a place where like no one will find me. But on that thing, I was a showrunner and it was live action.

So I've already given away what it was. But I didn't, I didn't need the trailer. And you know, and really does. But in that case, it was just like the, like the finding out, that's like the weird thing.

It's like, oh, a Ray machine cost like $36,000 for a day or something. And so this movie, I think that infinity dollars for their right.

I, you brought up Kubler.

Sam's. Weirdly. Yes, for unrelated reasons. Sure. I was thinking a lot not having seen this movie before.

The way water is depicted feels very similar to me. So a cooler does in Wakanda forever. Movie, I like a lot. A movie that is all over the place.

“But has stuff in it that I think about a lot.”

And the main thing is the way he uses the device of like when they more in people are coming. That water just starts like pooling in areas. I love all of that shit. That shit's different. Incredible.

And this movie has the like when the water is pooling out of the car radio. Just the eerieness of like water flooding through in places it shouldn't. With a, with a looming dread. Did that remind you guys of the opening of eight and a half like just car stuff for some reason. It reminds me of not seen in a long time.

Well, it's funny because eight and a half is a movie that I only really strongly remember two things. Is the opening like when he's in a car and he's like the way that it's lit and shot. Where he's like surrounded by other cars and you sort of feel trapped.

And then the dancing scene that I think they also did in a program.

I remember when he's a balloon. Yeah. That's the same scene. Well, and that one he floats away and then someone like has to pull him down. The way that the car stuff and the opening of eight and a half is shot reminds me of those scenes.

Like when he's in his car and you feel like the world is so oppressive, you know. It's just funny that that's kind of like an early art film that a lot of people are shown because it's so famous. And so I was probably like 16 or something where 15 when I saw him. Probably same. Yeah.

I'm like, Oh, yeah. I really relate to this story of like kind of a middle-aged Italian director being like, Maybe I've made it too many movies. The art movie. I remember one.

You're making your 20th picture after you've been hurled in a genius for a decade. That does suck. It's related. People keep trying to like, mother me and their giant pendulous breasts. I'd say the tone I relate to.

The two art movies that everyone sees as a teen. Yeah. Eight and a half and Clifford. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Thought you were going to say seven samurai.

But yeah, Clifford. You're right. Which are both kind of depictions of the burden of genius. Yeah. And I mean, they're both movies about a stinker.

They are. Clifford is a burden. We cannot deny that. I wanted to. He's talented.

He's talented. He's very talented. He's an artist. He's an artist. And we're in his own way.

It goes. Dinosaur Landets, right. Both movies have a dinosaur theme park in them.

“I think God Clifford never came across a pair of giant pendulous Italian breasts.”

I don't even want to know what he was. That was the sequel, the entire premise. David. Yep. You don't have a lot of shared interests.

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Yeah. In the last wave, the opening is actually super evocative words. It's like just this little town kids playing on the streets. And then weird like rainfalls starts and then like fucking golf ball hail starts happening. It takes flashing the window a bit before the story starts in our right.

There's a lot of moods ever. Yes. We're seeing you in the various scenes. This is where we are. We're in this town.

We're not in like Sydney. We're not in like, you know, sort of more built up Australia. And weird shit is happening and everyone's it's not like deadly. But everyone is a little like thrown. There's a weird amount of water.

Yes. Shit's getting wet. You all have been in like true golf ball hail. Yes. London gets in a lot.

It's really weird. There was a there was a moment in between us traveling for shows that kind of ratlipatric Cotner and I were in a car together going from when George Lucas talked to another where like it went from zero to a hundred. It was dry and then suddenly the rain started coming down like last wave hard.

And I cited it as the closest I've come in my life to feeling like I was about to die. There was a moment where all three of us 10 stuff. Who was driving? Patrick Hotner. Oh dear.

Well, if I was driving that. We would have already been there. Well, yes. He was saying you should be driving. No.

Patrick was driving and the rain started coming down really hard. Really furious. The windshield wipers could not combat it. And we were on a freeway. And every car you could see was panicking at the same time.

And then start like a 20 car pilot. And then like we just in silence all 10 stuff. Five minutes later, it just stopped cold out of nowhere. And we all breathe them were like, Oh, I was ready to do that. I thought it was about to.

You said you were gay. I did. It was always famous. Yeah, you have to respect the wind like Van Halen said in the song from Twister. That's what that was the problem.

That was, I wasn't right. And I hadn't seen Twister's yet. So I hadn't considered that you could ride it. Had you seen Lee Loan Stitch. I had that little alien.

They say he's all bad, but actually I think there's some good in him. So we should just happening. Have you rain fall, frogs, other anomalies, local Aboriginal people in this town seem spooked. And during one of these rain storms, there's a fight and somebody dies. But it's all pretty mysterious.

And by town we're talking to Sydney. Well, the the first like sequence is not in Sydney. This is the schoolhouse.

“The town of the bar fight, I think is in Sydney, right?”

Yeah, I know the tunnels are in Sydney, like the underground stuff. And I know that Sydney is where they shot mission impossible to. They shot this. A lot of movies got shot in Adelaide. Is that right?

But it seems like it was mostly a weather issue when they were planning on shooting in Sydney. I don't know much about Adelaide, but I don't know much about a lot of places in Australia. Let's see where it is. Wasn't that a Blake lively Harrison Ford movie? I don't know much about Adelaide.

So Adelaide is in South Australia, right? It's all it's on the middle of the country on this other side. I don't know much about it. Looks nice.

And every Australian city always just looks so sunny and pretty.

I believe they had an issue where there was actually too much rain in Sydney. So they went to Adelaide so that they could control the fake rain. Right, right, right. I mean, makes make sense. You actually do need to be able to control it.

What's it with Australian directors having production problems because of rain? I think probably the through line there is that Australia is crazy. It rains a lot.

“Is the spiky car from the cars that a Paris did that inspire the car in Fury Road?”

Did you guys figure that out? It's a direct homage. Oh, that is just it. Inspired all of Matt Bax. Yeah.

That George Miller sees it and is like, Oh, what if you built a whole fucking reality out of it? Miller seeing it is inspired to make the first minute message is why in Fury Road. He's like, I want to let me pay pretty much to the goat. Yeah.

And that's why he car showed up. I was like, wow. Those guys rock. You know what's also crazy. In fact, we forgot to bring up.

Do you know that the do-for-your was a PA on the cars that didn't pair us?

That was his first credit before he realized what he wanted to do.

He's just interested in films. Ben has thrown his headphones down. Ben's out. He has handed in his two weeks note. No, hardly is out.

We'll miss you, Ben. He is serving me with papers. So the character of David Burton played by Richard Chamberlain is a lawyer. But the end sort of essentially is like a sign right to this murder case to defend one of the men. Maybe all of them in definitely to defend Chris.

Yeah, all five of them because they say if one doesn't show up, then the trials over or something. There's something extremely sort of obscure and bureaucratic about Australian law that like, he is a tax lawyer, not a criminal defense lawyer, but because of the divide between like Indigenous people and European settlers, settlers, colonizers, you know, like he gets assigned the case.

This is discussed in the movie. It was a little over my head. Same. It's yes. It's the record of the Australian legal aid system.

I mean, this is sort of what I was getting at earlier.

“It's essentially just because that's why he's an outsider, like especially an outsider.”

But these like weird circumstances in which colonialists come in and pose their view of how a society should be structured onto a land that is not theirs. And then a century later, Western law, you dispute that for, I mean, for one, the all the accused just like do not want to talk about what happened. But then like centuries later, these countries start to go like, Oh, fuck.

Do we got to like own up to what our ancestors did? And then they start to carve out rules of like, well, this doesn't apply to you because we've been disrespectful to your customs and your tradition. So everything is sort of yes. There's some weird cork of the system where through the legal aid system in Australia,

now a tax lawyer has to represent a murder case.

Do we know why John Krisham never did cosmic horror?

Incredibly good question. I mean, besides the Christmas movie with the cranks. Well, yes, that is the answer. Christmas. It was I think.

Yes, but also in the book, they're not the cranks. They're the cathulose. So David having, I'm stealing the same thing. David's having. Thank you.

Weird dreams on top of this case.

Yes, a goh who a character. Yes, in his dream.

So it sees him prior to first meeting.

Correct. Yes. And it is spooky.

“And that is the vibe of the movie until the end.”

I'm not saying other things don't happen. Other things do happen. But what I just described is kind of what the movie is about. It's David being like something feels weird. And I'm having weird dreams.

What's going on? And these people largely are sort of like, we don't want to talk about it. And it's kind of none of your business. And he's like, I know, but I'm having these weird dreams. And they're like, well, that is weird.

And that is interesting. But I don't know, Matt. Like, it's like a lot of that. It is kind of fascinatingly a like anti-white-saver movie. They're like inverted white-saver movie in a way where it's like, oh, here's like a noble

square draw, very conventional white lawyer who is assigned to a case to prove the innocence of Aboriginal men. And the worst version of this movie is seen 20 times as he's like, I've learned that you are a person. And he gives him 20 minute monologue arguing that they have feelings and thoughts. And he teaches people how to end racism.

And Linda Cartelini is the heart of the movie, right?

“Well, the only thing I want to bring up that I'm sure is already in the dust.”

He is when Charlie comes over for dinner.

Somebody says that law is like the most important thing in their culture.

And the guy who played Charlie, whose name is N'Juara Amagula. Yes, when he was not an actor and when he agreed to be in the movie, his only stipulation was that they represent that within the movie because that was something very important to him. To convey within the movie is that in his culture, the law of their tradition superseded everything, which I thought was interesting.

Is that moment does feel very authentic to something when they convey that? I was going to say, the moment where he meets the clients and especially Chris, he basically goes like, what the fuck is going on here? I'm not crazy that like none of this makes sense, right? He just owns up to, I fucking don't know what movie I'm in.

And they're sort of like, you're not ready for the shit. Right, the dinner scene that Ben David is referencing, according to Peter Weir, was sort of constructed by Goldpilil and N'Juara. Like, and he put in all the lines about the law and all that stuff. And Weir was just kind of like, I kind of let them do it.

And they're kind of just talking to Richard Chamberlain. And I kind of just let him talk and then called cut. I started to mean rather than like, let's do the script. I was like, you guys, you know, you guys just tell him, try to explain this to him. I say this from the perspective of a white man who knows nothing of what this movie is about in real life.

You discussed me. Thank you. I'll take the hit. But this does feel like a good example of a know what you don't know endeavor. Yeah, right, right, right.

Like it feels like everything you read and it is entirely possible. There are huge missteps in this movie that I am oblivious to. I think no.

“I think they sort of won't were taken away from making missteps by the actors.”

Yeah. And something when you read about the process, it felt like he was very open in that of, I can write the white man part of the movie. I do not want to impose something on here. You tell me what this should be and let them sort of take a lot of authorship over their scenes.

Like, Weir says at one point they were like, hey, so what are some like tribal symbols we can use for all the like tribal symbol shit. And mentor, it was like you absolutely are forbidden from using any real tribal symbols. We can make some up. Yeah.

You know, like we won't be using anything real.

That dinner scene in that sub plot is something I always love in a movie.

Like in God told me to or devil's advocate or something. When like the lead character thinks that there's nothing about them besides just being kind of the guy. And someone's like starts to say things about like their past and like where they came from. And they're starting to be like, wait, hold on, hold on. What?

Like, I always love feeling like the ground beneath lead character. Start to get unsettled where they feel like they understand everything about themselves. And they start to realize they don't. In devil's advocate. I don't know where you're talking about.

Like I guess the job of law firm. The boss seems normal to me. Very successful. Yeah, he learns something about himself and his heritage or something. Big personality, I guess.

What's his name in that again? John Milton. Right. I really love. Right, because Angel Hard is Lucifer.

Yeah, that one was maybe London knows. One of my favorite things about that movie is they shot in Trump's apartment. And they picked it because it was so ugly and terrible. And when he was there, he's seen himself. Yeah.

And then I guess Trump was like, I'm so glad you want to show the place. And Tony Garo is like, I don't know how to tell him. We did it because it's like so fucking ugly. I mean, it's it's the great like fucking millennie bit of Donald Trump feeling like the way. It's like real right for a little bit of movie would describe a rich person.

Yes. Everything in his house is gold. And his hair is made of y'all. Yeah. Or made of content.

But find gold silk. Find gold silk. Yeah. I've listened a bit too many times. So they make the movie.

And it's good. Let's talk more about the movie.

“So then David, can you talk more about the movie, please?”

I feel like I've talked way too much. I'm already. I can tell if you're being facetious or not. I don't know Ben keeps looking at me. It like mouthings shut the fuck up.

But it's actually looking at his phone right now. I think he's watching another movie or maybe he's watching the. The last way. The last way. Again.

Well, because I'm just scrubbing through the plot. Okay. Trying to, you know, be a good producer. Yeah. Well, we haven't gotten anything wrong yet.

So. So look. I mean, essentially again, look. I am. That's the new character.

I'm just cascading dreams that you'd in real life stuff. And then a wave comes.

So there's this, you know, the first, the first thing I ever, like many, I think a, you know,

not necessarily Western or especially the first thing I ever fucking learned about Aboriginal people was the book or movie walk about. I read the book when I was like 12. And then I saw the movie. And, you know, the whole thing in that movie and book is that the boy, the Aboriginal

boy who finds these, it's about these British kids who crash land in the outback and like their parent dies and they meet an Aboriginal and they like sort of. Survival. Have you seen walk about? I've seen walk about. Yeah.

I've seen walk about. Yeah. I've seen walk about. Yeah. I've seen walk about.

Yeah. I've seen walk about. Yeah. I've seen walk about. Yeah.

Yeah. It's actually sort of marked me and he just goes to die.

“And like that is sort of what Richard Chamberlain is putting together in this movie, right?”

Of like, is, did somebody die because someone pointed to like a bone in him, essentially? Like, you know, like, is this a sort of like ritual, you know, mystical death that's rooted in like a culture I do not understand.

And everyone's basically like, we don't talk about it with you, right?

Rather than like, yes, yes, let's tell us the secrets. They're like, it's not for you to know. Stop putting us into your system. There's he's sensing that there seems to be some kind of unified code to their silence. Yes.

And there are refusal to really even engage. Oh, so it's interesting. Oh, it's interesting. Digges. Well, the offender we see.

Still some kind of stones. And give them to to some unidentified person. There's some kind of arrangement. And then he ends up at a bar. And this is where they have the confrontation.

And then he has the bone pointed at him and ends up dying. Right. In a sort of, I mean, they say he drowned, but like, it's very mysterious. But he's drowning like a puddle. He broke the laws of their world, which supersede our stupid laws.

Right. The guy in the wig. Oh, so they're whole attitude is just sort of like throw whatever the fuck you want us. This isn't what's real. You know, they seem a little kind of like.

They refuse to accept the Western rules of law that are being imposed on them. Yeah. Right.

“So who's a worse lawyer this guy or the lawyer in JFK?”

This guy. He's really bad. The lawyer in JFK is just crazy. God bless him. The worst lawyer is the lawyer in the judge.

I don't know. Try him a clearer. I think you're confusing. Try him a clearer. And the judge just about a lawyer.

Ben, that's. Hold on. I'm sorry.

Just cyber for one second.

So embarrassed. Ben, that's like rough. Because that's the first incorrect thing that's been set on this episode. And you don't have JJ to take the fall for this. All right.

I'll put on my dance cap. No, I just, I just think whatever we got to do in the edit. We can cover this up. We can all agree. I just think of this effort again.

I'm watching this movie. And I do start to think like, okay. This is going to end up being a sort of a legal drama where this. You know, world that rich family's character doesn't understand kind of gets dragged into the courtroom. And it's sort of like a lot of things get like sifted through in the courtroom.

That is not what happens. Instead he loses his court case. Like you see there's a scene in the courtroom where he's trying essentially kind of make that happen. And it doesn't really work. Like, and then the rest of the movie is him like increasingly being like, I am having weird visions.

That's something weird is going to happen. I feel like we landed on this in picnic and hanging rock of sing like this movie. Feel so unique in his filmography. It's not really the vibe of the rest of his films. And then we realize he basically has four different versions of a reality collapse movie in his career.

It's these two back to back. It's fearless. I would argue and Truman show is obviously one of the most extreme versions.

You live in a simulation. But this movie feels like in its own quiet way. Very similar to Truman show where that like meeting these guys basically causes the light to fall out of the sky for him. And then he's just hyper fixated on like telling me what the fuck's going on. Because I've been kind of feeling that we won't.

But you do seem to be a, they use the word, um, local rule, right? Like it's sort of like, you seem to be somehow descended from, you know, a shaman or someone who's connected to the dreaming. The parallel world, like whatever, like the sort of like our more deeper understanding of reality. And he still wants to find a way to get them acquitted. But it does feel like it is a secondary concern in the movie too.

How do I get them to explain what's going on to me? Well, he thinks he's helping, which is that classic. Right. Failed thing where he's like, they tell me they don't want me to do this defense. Everyone tells me not to do this, but I know better and no good comes from it.

“Don't you also think it's sort of a lie he's telling himself or he's saying, look, you need to tell me.”

So I can help you. Be absolved of this crime. But in reality, he's just like, I need fucking answers. I do think he means well because he like makes that guy drop off. He wanted them to plead guilty.

But again, that could just be ego to of like, that that's like a failure. The reason I noticed the South American thing so much is there's the dinner table scene where his wife says, I'm a fourth generation Australian.

I've never met an average.

Right. Which is such a like telling statement for someone to identify as a fourth generation Australian. And being like, okay, you're like, I think in 1977 you're basically saying like, I mean, a fourth is probably about as far back as you go. Correct.

If you're a white person in Australia. Right. And you're just sort of like, I'm a fourth generation Australian considering the idea that Australia starts when my first relative landed here. And that reality before that doesn't exist.

And I have never engaged with the indigenous population of the country, the continent that my family has lived in for now over a century. And he is from a different place, but with a very similar energy that he, even if he moved to very early and he does have like a nationalized identity in an Australian accent that I nailed in the introduction.

That it's not his home fundamentally in the same sense that she's taking pride in the idea of being a fourth generation Australian as if that gives her some cultural weight.

And that it feels like he is never totally settled.

In this place ever. It's why I thought South African because I was like that's kind of an interesting analog. But I was wrong about it. And JJ will apologize publicly. JJ did a lot and he did the fucking try McClure thing.

Yeah. We're just going to fucking fix it and he had it. Does this count as full core? It's close. Yeah.

I mean, if it's if you call this movie horror, I don't know what else.

“I think that this is too fancy to be like horror per se.”

I think it's incredibly effective horror filmmaking. Are you getting a cause it a mystery drama? Which I mean, is also a fair attempt. It's a bit of a tough one to nail down genre. Interesting.

Because you're not really a thriller. Because it's almost like an elevated horror. Yeah. But this is an example.

I always say of like, I wish every fancy director made a horror movie.

And Peter Weir has a bunch of movies that almost qualifies existential horror. There's just something about someone who's just very good at their job tackling that. Right. And I feel like they're above those things. It's similar to me to a,

uh, uh, Snacked a kid in New York coming out of any Pascal saying to Spike Jones and Charlie Kaufman. It'd be interesting to see you guys try to make a horror movie together. And then like two years later, he hands in that script.

And she's like, I don't know what the fuck this is, but good luck. And this feels like you say Peter Weir, like try writing your own horror movie. And he hears like, here's what upsets me. That's the thing. He's kind of like, I, right.

I am troubled by this idea. Right. Anyone else? Right. This is something that he about comes out in haunted.

Kind of. Yeah. Whereas picnic and hanging rock is sort of the same vibe in a way. It's not his personal because it's based on a book. And it's based on someone else's weird feeling.

That one comes out and everyone's like, Ooh. This is a way that's never been like put on movies in film before. Yes. Wait.

“Can I tell you guys a horrific thing that happened to me last night?”

Please. So I saw the movie Iron Long. How is that? Well, let me tell you. Okay.

When it was over, something really like cosmic and insane happened. So I left, I saw with my friend Taylor, a fan of the show. And the great Taylor. To tell you the movie. And I was leaving the theater.

And I reached in my pocket. The village seven AMC. Absolutely. On the fifth floor.

I left the theater. A couple blocks away.

A region of my pocket to take out these wireless soundproof Sony headphones.

And in my pocket, we're doing that. We're doing paid for that. There were two sets of headphones. That same headphones. Same brain.

Always stand color. These are multiple colors. Right. And a region of my pocket. And there's two pairs.

And I like my brain almost explodes.

“Is it the actual photo of me reacting in real time?”

Because I'm like, this seems made up. And the movie is very kind of a,

the last 20 minutes of what you're very mind-fuck thing.

And there's double headphones on my pocket. I don't own another pair. There's no one in my household has another pair. And I have two. And I'm like, what the fuck happens?

So like, I'm like, what do I do now? So I check in one of them is paired to my phone. And one's not. And I'm like, these must be from the theater. But I don't know how.

So we walk all the way back to the theater and find some, a young, like, 20-something girl on the lobby freaking out. Because she can't find her headphones. Wow.

“She walked by and dropped her headphones onto my coat.”

That was on the seat next to me. And then you as soon and then when I got up to pick up my coat, my headphones were there and I put them in my pocket. And then if I hadn't, I could've gotten all the way home with those and been haunted

for the rest of my life or why there was two of the exact same model of headphones to my pocket. So I'm just saying, I feel a lot like a character. I felt like a character in one of these existential things. Who could be, I still want to know how the movie is.

I also want to know. Seeing it tomorrow. I want to know if Amy Pascal asked you to write and direct a horror movie is that what you pitch. Okay. So what I would say about Iron Long is Iron Long.

He has like, Iron Long has like a really, really dense kind of lore to it. Very like, oh, well, this is from the video game. And it's the storytelling of it is very kind of like outside or art in the way it tries to explain the exposition. And that's a nice way of saying I didn't understand 70% of the exposition.

So afterwards, I was like, well, this must be just directly from the game. So I don't want to go watch a playthrough. And a playthrough, the whole game is 70 minutes and the movie is more than two hours long. And so Taylor watched the 70 minute playthrough.

And he said, oh, there's no lore in the game. It's just you're in a stomach fight. And you're just like trying to get a fish and sometimes the fish bites you. And that is how love goes.

And it is like the whole thing is like a huge, very, very complicated future like Lovecraftian style thing that I didn't understand at all. And I'm like, well, if I'll play the game and I'll get it. from the game. So this sounds like a mildly negative review. I thought it was very

interesting. It was like 70 minutes too long. It's quite long. It is the one thing I'm seeing it tomorrow out of total interest in just like I'm really glad I'm on. I'm really glad I'm on. I'm really glad I'm on. I'm really glad I'm on. I'm really glad I'm on. I'm really glad I'm really glad I'm on. I'm really glad. I'm really glad I'm on. I'm really glad I'm on. I'm really glad. I'm really glad I'm on. I'm really glad I'm on. I'm really glad I'm on. I'm really glad I'm on.

I'm really glad I'm on. I'm really glad I'm on. I'm really glad I'm on. I'm really glad. You're a YouTube harbour. We should be about five minutes long. That should be a lot. I just want to say if it's about being in a submarine and trying to get been by fish, they should have sent fucking cod man down there because shit wouldn't have gotten down like that. We're going to do another stitch joke. No, why would I do that? This was a natural T. of for cod men. The stroke only happens when it's super organic clean and as men's gales of laughter. Is there ever a natural T. up for cod men? Yeah, just happen. You know what's going to happen? It's going to go inside of submarine. He beats fish. Someone's going to watch my movie now and be like he thinks he's better than the

last kiss and iron lung and I'm like, you're right. You're going to be like that would be a scandal. They're also going to watch your movie and be like, this is on who the why didn't he put stitch in it. He's like in the family. Well, I do open with a song from Oliver and company. You do. So Dodger kind of the stitch of his day. Uh, can you tell David about your current movie watching project for 2026? Oh, I'm so interested in whatever the good. Exactly. I'm going to come in project. Wait, which one is it? You're seeing every horror movie that is released at my

local. I am seeing 2026 and so far love that. It has been a choice. January and February are there was that count. I see like six movies already this month. So I'm like an a list. So you're going to see with him. Oh, yeah, I'm

doing it. So I just watched the first coach strangers chapter one and chapter two. So I can see three and how to make sense. I'm sure it wouldn't

make sense. Yeah. Two has a part where a bore chases her around for a while and almost eats her and then you cut to a flashback of a kid with a baby

“bore and said someday I'll teach this board to do amazing things. Is it the same bore from sin help?”

It actually is. Good. This is it's a crazy how they like figured out how to do that between two different studios. I hope strangers chapter three ends with one of them saying nice to me. You. Like as a full circle. Oh, so they're not strangers member. One has the exact same opening as Cobra where there's like there's 57 deaths every 30 seconds. There's 12 rapes. Like it lists like the exact amount of time and how often crimes happen. I love Randy. It's great. Sims. Ben David and I saw Mercy. Okay, chair the movie.

40 X are we counting that as her was the separate from it is horrifying experience. I saw your letterbox.

Right. The opening line of that film as I quoted my letterbox review is millions had been affected by crime. No, no. I hope a guy in a chair can solve this problem. But it's like replacing the

dent act for me. We're going to outlaw crime. The opening is just voice over random guy never again. Crime millions have been affected by crime.

So I saw I've seen night patrol. We bury the lead primate return of silent till fire and long send help 28 years. Sure bone temple. What was the first two night control in Barry night patrol? We're just in long plays a dirty cop vampire. And we bury the dead with Daisy Ridley. Oh, that was a dirty thing. It was interesting. Yeah, I how was the just and long. It's interesting. It's like it's I like I'm glad I saw it. But return to silent hill. I just got to talk about which okay in return to silent now.

It's been talking about so I love silent hill very much the game. I do too. And sound hill too, which I know this is specifically an adaptation of the game silent hill too, which is the best of the game. We agree. Yes. Yeah. I love Christophe Gands this film.

“Silent Hill. I think it is the best video game movie ever made. I think that if you make one change,”

it is a 10 out of 10 movie. The second silent hill phone. I believe it's called Revelation.

It's very poopy and bad. Did not see it. It's no good. At least you said. If you say so. Yeah. So then Christophe Gands is announced just making this return to silent hill. Now, I haven't heard much from Christophe recently, but I'm still. But I'm still like, hey, he understood the franchise in a way. Like, I'm excited. The movie comes out. My letter box starts flashing half stars. Like, I'm seeing a lot of, you're getting like very

nervous on your phone. I've seen a couple of people push against this trend. Where do you fall on this book? I haven't seen it yet. I just have two things to say about it. I'm really glad I saw it. I think that there's some really cool craft and stuff in it. I just have two issues in it. Someone goes by a marquee that has Jacob's ladder on it. And I think fundamentally, it'd be like if you write McDonald's and they had an advertisement for the world's best burger on

their wall. Right. Right. Because it means silent hill is very inspired. But if it doesn't move,

“yeah, remember that other money? Yeah, but don't remind me of a movie. Yeah. Oh, terrible. Like that.”

Yeah. I sure have to write McDonald's. Oh, God, I was going to see that in theater. And then the other one was the whole time I'm like, who is this lead guy? And I'd have realized he was the warhorse.

Jeremy Irvine. That was like, and that was, that's always like an interesting thing for me when

you like. Oh, me neither. That's, that's great. He was the war boy. Oh, no, of the warhorse. I thought it was very interesting. The first one, the issue is they keep cutting outside a silent hill to Sean Bean. And that was literally a studio note of there are no men in this movie. But it's like if you're watching the funniest thing I've ever heard. Like, in Wizard of Oz, you can't cut to Kansas because then that makes it feel like these things

exist. I agree with you that that's a flaw with that movie. I just feel like that movie captures the atmosphere of a video game. No, I'm saying if it didn't have that, I would defend everything. Exactly. I would defend everything. We all have our flaws, except for one guy. But brotherhood of the

“wolf, though, I think it's perfect. That's a cool movie. I mean, I haven't seen it since I was a teenager,”

but I haven't seen Barry the dead, but I really liked that Daisy Ridley horror movie from last year. The one where I read the news story that she was secretly married. Oh, that was good. I got to tell you. That was good. That's that buried the stitch joke and I'm feeling great. And my back is Griffin Flunny again. Christopher Hitchens has to rise from the grave to write a new up at peace. What's been is funny. Question mark.

David? Yes. Hmm. We're both stroking our chance. Okay. I narrowing our eyes and kind of staring off into the middle distance. Do you know why? I don't. Because we're trying to thoughtfully build a wardrobe. And we don't mean a few suburniture. Put that hammer and nail down. We're talking about what goes inside the wardrobe. No, I'm not talking about a portal, Narnia, either. I'm talking about the clips. That's right. You know, you want premium fabrics.

And you want considered design. You want every-- That makes my own best. It's true. And they should be every day essentials that feel effortless to wear. Yeah. And dependable. Yeah. Humans, the season changes. They are doing currently in New York. They should be items that you love so much that you would be crest fall in. Should some snow from Narnia creep in. Oh, yeah. Mr. Tumnus shows up offering New Turkish to light. I don't know the queen does that.

He's like, can I borrow pants and you're like, what's that going to do to the pants? Right. You have like horse species. Which is a different leg shape.

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movie. I will read to you like what the synopsis says happens. After meeting with the shaman of least tribe and learning more about aboriginal practices and the concept of green. Dreamtime is a parallel world of existence. Burton comes to believe that his dreams and heavy uh, dreams of strange heavy rain. Both the signs of a coming apocalypse. He sends his danger. He makes his wife and kids leave town. There's a crazy flood. And then he goes into subtraining tunnels

under the city, which lead to a sacred ritual site. And uh, he sees a lot of paintings that basically

can affirm the dreams he'd been having. Then he leaves and sees a big wave. You're forgetting. All right. First of all, beautiful reading. Thank you. You're forgetting that he also in a moment that very much feels like the, the weird inciting incident story he shares about having the premonition of the head and then stealing it. Right. Right. From the cave. He finds a mask that looks exactly like his own face. Yeah. Which, you know, would throw anyone off a little bit for

me quite off my game. They keep calling him the mole crew. Yes. Which is a race, separate race or an an ancestry that comes from a different race. It's hard again. It's very vague

“hard to define. I think the, the purpose, not descriptive. There's like priests on the wall who”

warned about the wave last time. So they're basically implying he's like one of those priests who did it on the last cycle. Sure. Yes. It's, it's a descendant of these people. And interpreter of premonitions, uh, a, uh, a warner, uh, not a warner brother, uh, one who can warn. But, but, yes, there's,

I mean, that's the, I think is incredible where there's sort of the stared down interrogation of

who are you, who are you? And it uses Richard Chamberlain's kind of like very studied stillness to great effect because it's like a mizner exercise where they just keep asking him who are you, who are you until he kind of breaks down and then they ask like, are you Mokuru and he nods. And it's, he's saying yes to something he doesn't even understand, but he understands that he is something beyond his own awareness of existence, uh, that there's something else that's happening

through him. Absolutely more. Yes. David, how upset were you that there was no subway when they got on the tunnel? Great question. You know, I actually, uh, was not thinking about that because I actually, good gag. And I love the subway and we can talk about it for a second if you want, because I know you, you love my love of the subway. Just feel like everything about the park 80% of the, uh, phone exchanges we have like, texture, DM or whatever. You know, a new, a new son of New York City.

Right. You're in the early days of your love affair of the subway. It's a 40 acts in the subway.

“That's what made me very similar. Very similar. This is what I haven't been able to convey to David.”

Very similar. Uh, you're usually surrounded by people who feel a little dangerous. I really, very least unhinged. I really love the tunnel stuff in this movie. I found it's so cool in a market. I loved how it looked. I loved us, Boogie, and like, you know, interesting. It was there's so many different steps to get around into that too. I loved how implausible it was. Right. We were like, there's this much, like, but like, I didn't care at all. I mean, like, emerges out of a drain pipe,

and you're like, back in, like, seeing the wave. Um, but yeah, I wouldn't have been called to see a subway.

the thing that I love so much when it happens in a movie is like, when at the end of the second act,

someone who's known you your whole life says like two sentences that they've never told you before

that suddenly reframes everything where he's like, well, don't you remember how when you're a kid, you had a bunch of nightmares and they ended up being exactly how your mom died that you were afraid of the cab driver coming to take you away that you always talked about the cab driver. It's one of those things where it always works to me when like a character or someone just shows up is like, but don't you remember this thing and they go, oh my god, and then suddenly the entire movie

makes sense. It's like, you could have told him before, but it's perfect that you told him now for dramatic purpose. People telling David Don about his drowning. Yes, that's exactly right. There is a little bit of a David Dun thing in this movie of like, oh, well, maybe it wasn't murder. Maybe it was just um, puddle drowning. Oh, I was going to make the same fucking joke. Well done. I was going to say, it's all about puddle drown. We forgot to go see Unbreakable last night. And breakable was

playing last night. It was at the Nighthawk. There's queues, mate. Unbreakable. Thank you. I saw a die heart with a vengeance at the Nighthawk and I took the same train. We did that.

I was there. Hey. Wait. Oh, no, we saw die hard. Two. No, die. We saw the first die hard. I saw a

die or the dead. I can change it. That's insane. I took the train that the bomb is on to go see it at Nighthawk. Yeah, that was like a religious experience where I realized I'm like, that's the train I was on.

“Which train is it? I think it's it's a two or the three. It's a two or three. That is the greatest”

New York movie of all time. I think we can all agree. You know what I call the three train. First brand draft pick. What? The red rocket. I love that. Yep. And like any time I'm going home on the three, I text my wife. I come on the red rocket. And she knows what I mean. Do you have nicknames for other trends? Yes, some not all lowly F of course. I call the F the lowly F because it's so often separated from its track mates. I call the for the queen of the IR team because she is the queen of the IR

team. I could think of others. Those are the big ones. This feels like David like sharing diary entries for like this is I feel like the most personal you have ever gotten on the pot.

Can I tell you something else unrelated? I'm always just looking at what's coming up on Nighthawk.

Yeah. Showed my daughter the trailer for Goat. The Steph Curry Goat basketball player movie. As I've said many times, my little cousin George is most anticipated movie of 2026. He's been asking about it for six months. When is Goat coming out? She was a pretty intrigued. She was like, "I might want to see more of this Goat. He never texted." Our mutual friend, Sean Fantasy was having a panic about how to schedule programming for the February on big picture because of the

lack of big releases outside of weathering heights. And we were just like, yeah, it feels like nothing's really going to hit between like weathering heights and Mario and Project Hell Mary. And I was like, "Look out for fucking Goat. Goat might just sink in easy 35 minutes." Just to poop you as hanging in their so hard because nothing's really given it a run for its money. Topia still fucking like number three at the box office at the time we're recording this. Sean's not going to do an episode

about strangers chapter three. Well, he is going to break off and do an entire new podcast just about the stranger song. Well, he's going to record a stranger's episode, but he has to do it by breaking

“into someone's house that he's never been there before. Do you know what, Ben David, actually?”

You're joking, but they had an open slot where they haven't been able to decide what to do and they let people vote on the four ideas. And one of the four ideas was Amanda Sean movie swap, Sean has to watch Mama Mia for the first time. Amanda had to watch the original strangers for the first time. There is a chance that episode will have come out by the time. There you go. People are listening to this. Goat might be about to shatter the backboard. We love it.

Last wave guys, what else happens? The thing about taking a train to see a movie where you just get off the train and walk right into a theater and you don't have to park your car. That was probably the biggest reason why I was like, I might stay here for a bit. Corrum scene. What's silly friggin wigs? What's going on? Ben asked if we had remembered to bring our barrister wigs and embarrassingly all four of us left them at home. Uh, yes. Do you have a barrister's new K?

“I think recently, actually, maybe are now not required to wear wigs anymore. I think that's like”

an action. Do they still have to go home from? Here's my interpretation of the ending. And I cannot get into deeply, but just sort of enlarged strokes how I took the ending on a narrative level. The whole movie is the Aboriginal's warning him not to go deeper into this, right? And just being like, this is not for you. You cannot understand exists in your world. And they all feel somewhat incombered by the tension between the natural wavelength that they feel like they engage

with reality. And this sort of like Western colonial structure placed on top of them that they

the end of the movie is him literally just like going down the fucking rabbit hole going so deep

down the tunnel, which presented only with a series of new questions that make no sense to him. And then he walks out and he sees a fucking wave. And you don't know if it is in time, something is happening. Is this a premonition, right? Is this the thing the premonitions were hinting at, but it speaks more to like he has now gone through the tunnel on the other side and he cannot return to the other world. And if he does, he is fully now exited the acceptance of that reality. He will

become like a stranger in the land that he used to live in. Again, I know very little about the

“sort of Australian Aboriginal mythology of the dreaming or dream time, but I believe if you read”

more and more about it, I really don't want to try and like some things like this up on this podcast.

But I think that sort of barrier between what is real, what is imagined, or what is real, what is being dreamed is sort of sifted through an interesting way in that mythology. That's all. I don't really know much. The question is, do they all know the way of is coming? And they just don't want him to have to deal with that with that reality? Because like possibly, I mean, it's like, what are you going to do? And he also is a figure in the wall where because of his ancestral connection

that people like him show up ahead of an apocalyptic event, right? They're sort of, they're like, yeah, you being here means it's happening. Yes, it's the sign. Yes, yeah, like stitch. Quite like stitch. If stitch shows up, you know the box office is about to be rocked. Yeah, I just went all so people want to say about this. I can tell you that when the film came out, let me tell you that the reception and so on and so forth, came out sort of Christmas time in

'77 in Australia, it was like a hit and it did okay on the Australian Arthouse, I'd be American Arthouse Circuit. But nothing like picking a hanging rock where like huge attention and a fair amount

“of money. I think more just like a modest hit. We're basically in retrospect is like, I haven't”

checked in on that movie. Like he's like, I don't feel bad about it. He's like, yeah, it did pretty good. I haven't looked at it in a long time. In 2012, he sort of was, yeah, he's simply kind of reflective about it. Like he calls it a graduation film. You know, it's kind of like him getting closer to the next stage of his career, but yeah, he doesn't. He doesn't reflect on this movie as a failure or it's like a special jam. But it does speak to sort of how weirdly and like out of order and almost

in one lump sum, these movies are seen by Hollywood and America that this is the one that doesn't really function as any sort of stepping stone in his career in a clear way. He also said that like when he was trying to get money from like the Australian film funds, everyone was really against the idea of him trying to do a contemporary serious film. If it's like contemporary comedy, period drama, yeah. But when you get to the end of picnic, hang and rock, which I just

watched the day because I was trying to watch using order, you feel like this guy is a god of doing period. And globally, I feel the same way where it's like it's funny that he's very contemporary and very, very effective at it and also very effective at doing movies that feel like your time

traveling. But I never kept right. He never picked a lame there. He was sort of switch between him.

Right. I, I, I via to watch gulliply. I'm excited to watch it the night before I record. So I proper time to process it sad and that, but that feels like a more obvious kind of, okay, I'm ready to make my version of some size of epic now. And also he like for the first time,

“identifies an aeless leading man at the center of his movie. I think witness feels a little bit like a”

combo of the two in a weird way. Because it, the fish out of water thing, I'll functionally, feels like, yeah, no, no, it's very, very important. And then it's like very, very modern when he's doing the cop stuff. And when he's there, it almost feels like one of his period movies just by virtue of omnisculture. But witness is interesting because it's about someone sort of falling in love with a culture that's not his own learning about it, somewhat getting accepted. This is not

that, but now like this, he's about him trying to understand the culture, but it's not about them being like, you know what, you get it. Like, at the end, he kills the shum. You will the shum is being quite scary, I mean, but he's also, but he's also trying to kill the relics. Yeah, he's he's the one who's in the wrong. I would say that he's he's made a few mistakes. Yes, but this is a thing in talk at these movies, and we've recorded quite a few of the ones to come after this. They're all sort

That's like really a through line through his work. Yeah, which is very, very interesting. And it's a very interesting evocative movie. I have a disc. What, what, what does do I have in on it? I got the, the last, the umbrella last wave. The 4k is that what you got? There's a criteria. That's exactly what they haven't put it out since DVD. Yeah. And then I did not find it like that. There's a network 4k and I didn't know it. My friend. You get it. I'm going to go walk in a traffic. The fine folks

at umbrella entertainment. Yeah, good guys, which is Australian company, right? Correct. Yeah. Yes.

I our, our buddy, Alex Frost Perry was the first to visit the umbrella. Went to there right to this

become the inaugurable. Handy of the umbrella closet, which basically they did not think of even presenting as a mecca. They did the Super Mario Bros. gigantic set, which is movie heaven. Do you have that box, David? Oh, which box? The Super Mario umbrella set. Looks as big

“as like an encyclopedia. No. Yeah. It's like the science of a car. I think I have the thumbs up. I think”

Arrow put out a Super Mario disc, maybe. Well, this one is like this big. It comes with, it's like the original disc. The shooting script, but also an original thing has like a book of art. Yes. It's got so much stuff. Yeah. Sounds a little much, as much as I enjoy, of course. My review was it was not enough. It includes the King James Bible. And then there's a posted on the Bible saying,

Mario is better than this. Yeah. It also, it comes with a chicken dinner. Sounds good. Yeah. The

only time I've gone back. Yoshi dinner since you stay here. Yoshi's going to fucking rule the box office this year. He's so lucky that Stitch is sitting this one out. What? Who's voicing him? I don't think they've announced any, but I saw a joke post that I thought was real for about two minutes really soon. It was Kendrick Lamar. And, uh, but it's nothing. Well, he just like say Yoshi. I feel like the trailer. He just says like, yeah. But Benny, that's a little bit the staffty voice casting. It's

“still one of the wildest choices ever. I think that really, I was watching a trailer. I was yawning a”

little bit. And I was like, I wonder who's playing baby Bowser? Who do I care? And then when they said being a staffty, I was like, um, you, you mildly got me without it. It was, it was the Nintendo Direct thing,

right? Yeah, right, right, right. And I'm watching it and they play the trailer first. And I hear the

voice and I turn to my girlfriend and I go, God fucking damn it. Adam divine. They cast Adam divine in another animated movie. She's like, there's a Bowser journey. I'm gonna get you plumbers. And I was like, it's fucking Adam divine. Adam divine gets another one off the fucking backboard. And then it cuts back to like me moto. And he's like, we are proud to announce that, of course, Bowser Junior will be played by Benny Saffty. And they just flashed Benny Saffty's headshot. And I, I truly was double

over laughter. It was so funny. Yeah, of course. Of course. The only choice. Who else, but the director of the smashing machine? No one else could bring Bowser Junior to life. We've all been waiting for it. It's obvious. It's like fucking John Goodman playing Fred Flintstone. The culture has waited for this moment. But what I went, I went back to LA after being gone for very long time. And I was trying to see a bunch of friends at the same time because I was there for short amount of time.

So I invited everybody to go see Super Mario Brothers at Newbub because they're playing it for like a kids' matinee. And, uh, huskens not crap. Oh, I mean, yes, huskens. Uh, and so it was one of the things of someone's like, okay, how much do I really want to see this guy? And, uh, I'm house to like 20 people went. I don't know if they, I think that it's a 80% didn't enjoy it as much as I did. It's the fast name. I really like the look of that movie. I cannot, you know, defend every single story decision

that it makes. But I just love how it looks. Our buddy Patrick Williams did a big movie for me. Oh, really good video of the contrast of the illumination movie, which is so obsessed with being faithful to the game. It's, it's the way our culture has, and has nothing else going on. It's literally just, when you think of things from the game, and then the Mario Brothers huskens movie is like, what if we took a different fucking script we wrote? I mean, and map the character named on to it,

and you're like, I miss it. I miss that era. Where Hollywood's like, it's not like we're going to make a real fucking Mario Brothers movie embarrassing that would suck. But let's shit on it with this insane thing anyway. Can Hollywood come back around to having complete contempt for all like,

“I agree, right, that being like, and now you will meet the blue ranger. I'm like, no, you should be”

humiliated that I have to meet the blue ranger. The horseshoe is come all the way around. I'm tired of Hollywood being like, do you like this? We made this just for you. Do you like it? I want them to be like, fuck you. You should just shit. Here's your fucking draw. The wave that's coming. The logo being moving. Yeah, that they're all just going to be like, they're going to be hyper easter egg. Yeah, yeah. I do miss the era of something like this fucking sucks. Can you come up with something?

You know, and usually it was stuff that was actually really cool, but that you can you end up with something very interesting when someone has total contempt. As a kid, I was still like, they made a

Four things happen in this movie that vaguely resemble things from the game. Very good. What

complete. It is for me. Me motto is like that brought great shape to our company. Like he was definitely not like, oh, it was interesting. But like, there's like a fucking street musician busker who's a human dude with a harmonica around his neck and a guitar named Tode. And I like do the fucking Leo point to my brother. And I'm like, it's Tode. They got Tode on screen. And I'm like, that's a fucking Tode. I'm trying to do. Then they turned them into a dinosaur-headed mother fucker. He's the best part

in the movie. He wants to treat the bottom of my head forever. But I've been trying to make a bad dude's movie for like 15 years. So I hope some day a trend goes in that direction. He's all I care about.

So I'm going to play the box office game now. Is there anything else you want to say about

the last wave or your general weird thoughts, Ben David? I genuinely feel like I've said way too much.

“You're crazy. You have not talked enough. Yeah, absolutely. You should be humiliated by how”

little you've talked. This is a film. Oh, wait. I just have one final thing I want to say. Sure. Q sounds of brain splashing waves, water generally. Cool. And also place it in like 20 times, up until this point. Like any time after a joke at mine fell flat, put the waves in so it sounds like like coilet splashing? No, like a triumphant wave. What? I have something to say about that, which is that I have a noise machine that plays rain sounds. When I play it when I go to sleep,

and I've had many days where I forgot to turn it off. So now like the sound of rain becomes this thing that my brain kind of cancels out as if it's part of just the sound mix of my life. And that's only been something that's happened like in like a little recent year or so.

And as the first time I've revisited the movie since then. Was it and there was a very odd kind of

disconnect, where I felt like I was watching a movie and had left my rain sleep machine thing on. So I'm really glad to share that. Yeah, no, it was really good. Thank you. This film came out in America. It says in New York City. So in some small way. In basically Christmas time, December 19th of 1978. Okay. So still even before picnic. So exactly. So what would have been at the box office on this random weekend? Okay. December 1978. Number one is a gigantic smash

hit movie that we have covered on our patreon. Lee Lowe and Stitch. That is funny. You guessed it. We've covered it on our patreon. We sure. It's a gigantic smash hit itself. Is it a re-release of Star Wars? No, it is not. No. 78, 78, 78, 78. It's not. If it wasn't the biggest movie of 78, it was one of the biggest. Uh, biggest movie of 78. It's not, uh, oh, it's a Superman the movie. Superman. Superman. Richard Donner. Superman. The movie. You a fan of that one.

I haven't seen it. What is that one? Is it? It's about a man who is super. He sure is. They sent him to earth to teach us that boys can be big and strong and proud and shouldn't be ashamed. I actually watched the movies while you guys were covering him on patreon. And

“I think they're pretty great. I the one movie that I should never revisit. I think is too. Because”

two I thought was literally the best movie ever made when I was a kid. It's a good movie. It's great. It is great. It is great. It is great. It is great. I wish I could just live in that kid memory. We're like every part of it felt like the coolest thing I'd ever seen. Well, you and everyone in our generation apparently, like, you know, I'm saying a lot of people just wish they were 12 forever. Number two at the box office. It is for the Super Mario Galaxy movie.

It's an interesting one. It's a sequel to a gigantic film. It's a sequel to a gigantic film. But this film is less gigantic. Oh, yes. And it is, I would say, pretty forgotten. It's almost forgotten that this movie exists at all. Is it the stingtool? No. But that is the vibe. That's the vibe. It is the sequel to like a box office sensation that one, it was not made for best picture. Yes. Like a big cultural movie. Shoot your guys at, uh, but the sun doesn't cast you the

early years. No, it is not again. You're, you know, you're. But there's a two and done. This fucking edge of the thing forever. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, like, there was no sequel to be made of the

“first. It was a bad idea. This is happening eight years later. Is it the love story sequel?”

Correct. And what is that called? Ryan's story? You're close. Ryan on the nails. The actor's name is David. Yes. No, it's guessing. The character's name is Oliver. Oliver. He film is called Oliver's story. He falls in love with Bucket's Bergen. He falls in love with Candice Bergen. And of course, the tagline was, it takes someone very special to help you forget someone very special. Like, who's like, yeah. No. Yeah. Who's he fuck later? You know,

he later marries like fucking successful date nights across America couples walk out, wiping away their tears and they're like, I just wish I could see him get over. He was so young. I hope he

“remember. I'm like, I'm sure he will. The fucking dog talking about what's more difficult. What's”

more difficult doing a story to love story or following up the tagline to the original? I know the tagline writer was like, all right, we want to be very respectful to the dearly departed

the girl. Right. Right. I recently watched, you've watched this for the first time. Which I had never

seen obviously, that is a movie that was a colossal phenomenon that I would say close to forgotten. It is the kind of movie that I bring up where we're like these movies that we're so big in their day that no one talks about anymore and feel like such a product other time and you and I will be like, is that secretly awesome? If we throw that on tomorrow, let me tell you, no, snooze. Really, really actually quite bad the first 20 minutes, which is the two of them just go in at each other

being so mean. It should be the good part where he's like, you're such a stuck up bitch. He's like, you're a fucking hero. He's like, you're an old Neil, you're a reputation per se. And they're kind of, and then they're like, anyway, after 20 minutes of going into the so we're fucking lovely children, she's like, oh, yeah, absolutely. And then it's like, I'm so sorry. I forgot that I'm dying.

And then you're just like, oh, it's so boring. But I cannot believe you never have to say your

star. That is a line in the movie. But that is the tagline of the original. And that's they say part of the reason it was such a big hit was that people would hear that and go, what the people go, like, huh, and then later when you think about it, you're like, what does that mean? And you're like, doesn't mean anything. It feels like a sign filled with it. It doesn't mean never having to. You're saying like, how does this is like his asshole dad is like, by the way,

I'm sorry, your wife died and he's like, love never means never having to say your star. He's such a guy with dad. Well, he's repeating it. She had already said it. Okay. Okay. And you know, the dad's

“like, oh, okay, and the dad should be like, fucking what? You should just be like, huh, first”

down for me, but if they were trying to top the tagline of the first movie, Oliver's stories, tagline should have been sorry to that dead lady, but Oliver's got to get some. But time heals all wounds. All of us got to meet someone new. He's ready to say apologies to her memory as he fucks on top of for great. Okay, guys, the tagline for Dragonfly was when someone you love dies, are they gone forever? That's a good question. Is pretty good. I will say, uh,

Michael Eisner, who was there in a Paramount at the time in the film, the studio that released Love Story and Oliver's story. His quote on the movie was, uh, let me find it exactly. One way or another, we're doing a serial Love Story doesn't fucking bad. Anyway, movie came out, nobody liked it. And I was not ahead at all. And, uh, I think, you know, again, I'm making fun of the original movie, but I think it was a bit of a disgrace to the memory of a movie people like. He's like,

no, we're offended. Yes. Yeah. All right. So that's number two. Number three is a film. I've not heard

of so. I look this up. It is a, is this first weekend of Superman or second? Uh, it's the,

or, well, I don't know. Okay. I'm just wondering if we did this exact weekend on the Superman episode. We either way, we would have done these riffs. Yeah. Oliver's story sounds a little familiar to us. Come on. You're right. It doesn't seem like it's kind of the first week in the Superman. Anyway, uh, yeah, because this is sort of familiar. And you're Ronnie and American adventure drama directed by James Fargo starring Anthony Quinn. Look, it's called Caravans. Okay. Yeah.

And the number four is the movie about being in Turkish President. It makes Turkish prisons. The thing you don't want to be in for 20 years. Uh, we all know this film is called Oh, Heavenly Dog. And it starts Benji and Chevy Chase. It's midnight express. You know, then I'd be the only movie where I know the score so well. And I've been to it a hundred times. Yeah. I've not seen the movie. That's another one. Where you're like, you watch fucking

sitcoms from the 80s as I do day and night. We have done this riff before. This like, chariots of fine. We're just fucking syndicating ourselves now. Yeah, seriously. We are, but like, yes, where like in sitcoms, super like Turkish prison. Bad. For 15 years, it's used a shorthand for worst thing you can possibly imagine. I've seen midnight express. And now you're just like, no one has watched that movie fresh in 15 years. It's not a movie that's much

“discussed. See, I thought, I thought the bit was knowing music without having seen the movie. So that's why”

such periods of fire. Oh, sure. I just didn't want to. I want to explain my. Yeah. And I thought it was against it. It was good. It was good. It was really good. You're talking keep talking. Shut the fuck up. It's a talk question. Griffin, uh, number five is a, uh, a very important comedy film of the year. The jerk. No, good. That's a better movie. That's 79. But this is a good movie. It's a good movie. Not a brox. It's important. Yeah. It's like a big influential comedy movie.

It's not a prior wilder. No. Uh, is it, is it, is it star driven or is it like director? No. It's a big ensemble, but it, it features a big star who's, it's sort of, you know, he's already famous from TV and it's his big movie, uh, moment. Ha, it's his big movie moment. It's an ensemble. It's on Allen all day. No. Uh, TV, famous big ensemble. It's not Kimball Brown. No. It's a good. It's a good.

but I mean, it's very influential and important. Who's the distributor of this picture? Oh, my God. I'm asking you a very basic question. It's a fair one. Thank you. That's all I want. The film was, of course, released by universe. The fine folks at Universal. It's annual house? Yeah. Yeah. There we go. It's an annual impoons. Yeah. An annual house. Very, very, very. But like, a movie where it's like, the by the time I'm seeing that, I'm sort of being shown it as a

bit of a relic, but like a good one where they're like, you can see the seeds of the comedy you enjoyed today here. And I'm like, yeah, but this is also funny. And I'm like, yeah, the difference

I didn't watch it a million times is that despite having very overprotective parents who,

greatly monitored what I watched and wouldn't let me watch, regrets. My father probably showed me annual house when I was six and was like, this is important. This is like more important than the Talmud in my eyes in terms of you understanding where you came from. So, yes, it was like, I,

“I almost learned what funny was by asking my dad, why is that funny? There you go. That's how”

I turned out more, more, more. Anyway, what happens to the law in the bones did lead to everything? They let's have everything. Yeah. Yeah. Broadway. Yeah. Uh, Halloween. John Garberner's Halloween. Well, well, well, Ralph back, she's the Lord of the Rings, which is very cool. The Anthony Hopkins film magic recently discussed, of course, on our Sam Rayme episode. Hope and Rayme goes through with that very Mac. A film we very recently

discussed in our Patreon. The Wiz. The Wiz. Bombing. By the way, that movie is so good. And that's

much more for the first time last week. And anyone who hates it is a loser and maybe, right? I don't

know, it just blew me away. Wrong. Gorgeous 4k, the fucking the best. And then, um, it's very short. Uh, then, might be interesting to hear the number 10 is cheeky and strong up in smoke. Which is kind of a good one. Oh, yeah. Every year Ben resumits the idea of

“cheating, strong for Patreon and David's like, how's that going to feel on the 7th episode?”

Right. I'm like, look, we're all going to be, it's, I mean, it's like, oh, I did think of a new one. Oh, sure pitch. Yeah. Danger field. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. How many is that? Well, like, we starve. You got to do the cartoon. No. Well, that's already been designated as part of stand-up animation. Right. Oh, I thought it for that when that happened. Yeah. It was kind of the comoller. Oh, yeah. Uh, he was just appointment. Yeah. I got a mic. He got up my whole song. It

didn't have on that. But I guess you would do, well, now you're like, do you do caddy shot? No, right? I don't know. No, no, no, I think you wanted to brought me danger field is the only guy on the

post. Back to school. Back to school. Back to school. First is easy money. Okay. Which here's the poster.

It's his face going like this. And then back to school. But she's probably going like this. And in both of these cases going back American audiences are saying to the side of the poster, saluting him. Right. Showing him the utmost respect. So number three is Lady bugs. Uh-huh. Where he's going like this. Yeah. Bunch of clothing and the soccer ball saluting him. Number four. Miss Wally Sparks. Like, is does it kind of suck to the 90s? It's me Wally Sparks for

he's going like this. Yeah, holding the drink. And he's asking you to meet him. And I think that's kind of it. Like, for like true Rodney vehicles. I mean, and there is the cartoon. I got to say, I don't know those two late ones. I imagine there. You don't know me Wally Sparks. You heard of Lady Sparks. I've heard of Lady bugs. I've heard of Lady bugs. You don't know Lady bugs. It's like, what if Rodney was the coach of a girl? Yeah. It's a little giant brand. It's a mombor. Right. Yeah. All right.

“But that made me think you should do a series of movies with prominent Billy Joel songs who's”

you have easy money. Sure. Oliver and company. And then you could do Mike. I'm just kidding. I could do Mike Nick. But I'm just, but uh, oh, that one joke I do want to say about that was, uh, I cleared a lot of my music and prep. And at one point, a very stern person walked into my office and said, "Are you aware that the song you have chosen is from an animated dog picture?" Yeah. As if this was news TV. Yeah. Like, can you imagine if I like,

well, it's a proper company. Yeah. So, get why should I worry in a movie? And I'm like, it's from a what? Yes. Do you succeed in being only the second film in history to use? Why should I worry? That could be quite possible. True. Yes. I'm the second movie to have cool as ice, the theme from cool as ice. Well, in my movie. I will also say that Rodney Dangerfield did apparently make his last basic movie is a movie called the fourth tenor.

This is the title. I remember, I do think we'd have to track this one. You would reach maybe illegal in some state. Rodney does opera. I love it. Uh, the glass he's holding in that poster might be hard for you to tell this because there's a little grainy is breaking. Is he singing?

Manages to get a laugh or two in this low budget comedy found DVD and video guide. See, only review listed on the Wikipedia page. Do you remember to demand it, folks? A laugh or two

is so mean. You're like, I can't remember if there's a second laugh. Dangerfield gets a laugh

or two when he like is unconscious on fucking carcin. Like, yes, that's not good news. In a minute, he wrestled up a laugh or that's his lowest life. That's not good. Do you know,

“or do you remember that when Dangerfield died, which must have been close to if not over 20”

years ago. It was 04 his over down years ago. His widow when she was like doing the Larry King Browns and such to like, you will drive him was like, well, don't worry, Rodney's coming back. We cloned him. Okay. Okay. Rodney will be back soon. So she is that what's the status of my points? I don't like it up. Keeps since then. Well, if you if not to go with this letter, but if you had literally

cloned him, that would mean that their currently is a 20 or 25 year old guy. Which sounds pretty funny.

But I'm like, Rodney only got famous and he's like, if that's like a long way. Right. There's currently a Rodney Daniel Phil clone who's selling aluminum sighting. Right. And it's just like years before he decides to focus on stuff. Because like 25 years from now, we're definitely going to be able to just make like a Rodney hologram. You know, like, the clone will be like, I'm ready.

“And it's like, you are getting no respect. Like we just, I believe it's not a bit. It's not a bit.”

We don't care. I was waiting to make that respect. And I should have known, like, that it was going to happen anyway. With it. With it. It's a comic line like David Sims on the ones and two. I don't know, man. You've got, you made me laugh a lot. Listen to this podcast. Really not the subway stuff. I take that very seriously. Sure. That's that's true. Do you have any subway questions I can answer on here before we wrap up the show? What's your favorite movie that has a subway in it? The size of taste and takes Manhattan. Taking a film. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's the only correct answer. It's the gold standard.

And the, you know, the original, but I mean, I have a huge soft spot for the 20 scouts. He's a god. To me, that, but the, the streaming version of it is 16 by nine instead of scope, which is really several Tony Scott movies. I think when we do Tony Scott, I mean, not that we, we love to watch a disc on this. Yeah. We're really going to have to go to this song. They've been fucking with this legacy. I can't do that series because there's like eight movies I'd want to do. And if I didn't get them, I would be too upset.

We just automatically be getting one would upset you. You feel like what about the others? No, I'm saying, now I'm saying all of them. It's like I feel like I really want to do in the fan. I would, I would bring his filmography to a desert island before Ridley's and Ridley's made some of my favorite movies. I had to agree with that. I think it's a better survival tactic. Mike and Nick and Nick and Alice. Okay. I'm going, I'm, I'm to very briefly, because, you know, no one listens to the show for promo. But I, I have to mention,

I have a movie coming out in the future, which I think is right after this. And it's coming out, I believe five days after this episode, yes, on the hit zone. It's on Kenny time. I mean, given that we didn't really plan it. So get some times. Yeah. Yeah, who like the commercials invite your friends over, turn off the lights, turn it loud, eat some pizza. Watch it and try to have fun watching and buddy action comedy gangster time travel rom-com. Emily Hamster, she cool. She is the greatest. We'll be. I love her. Good friends. Huge fan of Emily Hamster.

“You have to be plays a dirty cop in it. Do you have not seen a picture get David?”

But can I spoil something for you? Here's the fucking headline. He. David is in the movie, owning bones. Not surprised to hear it. Ben David wrote some fucking meaty monologues for Keith David. He might be astonished to hear. He gives a big monologue about my dead cat. So there you go. So the that comes out. And I'm very proud of it. And it's cool. And then also Scott, my new Scott Hilgrim game will have just come out when this comes out. And then I think that this comes out

as the blue ray of Scott program takes off starring Griffin Newman. Well hey, I got then that is also on Netflix. If people know. Yeah, but physical media has. We love these commentaries from me and Brian. I'm just saying, you know, we love this. I played the handful of characters on the show that you very kindly invite me and to do including a Wallace's a straight stunt double, straight Wallace. One of the most Chris characters in modern media who is not included in the game, but I believe there is any blankies

getting ready to play Scott Pilgrim X. Might might notice a thing, a conscious nod.

There is a nod to me as a person. And to porch movies. Yes, that is also great. Finally, I'm

Ali friend of the show. Yeah, we love Brian. He's a cure of mine. I also just not to not the fucking to you up like argument on this, but partially some of the inspiration from for Mike and Nick and Nick and Alice comes from us covering Mikey and Nicky on the podcast, correct?

Olivia Craig at the great Olivia Craig lover. Yeah. The premise of the movie is a gangster goes back in time to try and, but you can skip ahead of this if you don't want to spoil it. But a guy goes back in time to try to fix a mistake he had made kind of betraying his friend. And I had sort of had this idea when there's a lot of these like nihilistic gangster movies like these relationship things. And

I always wonder, you know, you get to the end and you have that pitch black thing. It's like,

what if that person could redo it? You know, that, that's kind of the kernel of it. And then the other thing was just the, I like the buddy comedy thing of like the redeemed guy and the unredeemed guy budding heads. So it's like scrooge at the end with scrooge from the beginning. Right. What if it's two of the same guy at different points in this journey? It's a bunch of Gilmore girls references. It's an excellent movie tremendously fun, strongly encouraged everyone to wash it. What was

I'm sorry. You would just guy as Dean and I are looking. Important. Uh, there is uh, deaf, a very long discussion about who the best part of boyfriend is. And I'll just say anything that James Maresden says in the movie about Gilmore girls is my opinion. I think that you always give the correct opinion to, you know, the handsome James Maresden guy. Absolutely. So uh, in Q&As, I've already had people say, oh, so what is your take? Because there's a lot of different opinions. You just saw the take.

But anything Maresden says, yeah, that's that's me. Yeah, I gave the take to the best pair of cheekbones.

“Do you remember when Dean gets married and then his wife tries to make a morose?”

So Dean was, Dean's the worst boyfriend on the show. Right. I've checked it. But who was the best? I, I'm a Jessica. See, I like Jessica, but are you saying who's the best boyfriend to force a best for her? Well, there's only one answer. Uh, well, boy, I don't know if I agree that there's only one answer. I think that Jess in his more mature form is probably the best boyfriend for Rory. I think that if you take the actions of the characters on the show, probably Logan,

I guess, but Logan's kind of a do you. I don't know. It's complicated. Well, someone's going to have to get on who to find out my take. I'm very excited to listen. Uh, thank you all for listening. Yes. Just really fumbles the bag of the Rory that we all agree. I mean, season three,

just completely fumbles the bag. Right. So here's the thing. One song last wave. I want them to

release it in 40 X and I want to drown in the theater. And that was your response to what they should just fill the theater with water and you're slowly drowning while you're watching it. That's that's my big hot tip. My big hot wet tick. I mean, Ben, you have definitely proposed a theater that is you are under water. Yeah. And you pose under water, the theory proposed upside down theater. That one was what if you watch deep rising in the theater, the creative was water.

Created. Yeah. I would watch deep rising on my phone. Right. While you're on a jet, you're in a theater filled with water. Yeah. I would watch it in a tree. You watch it. Yeah. My brain is puttering out. I'm excited for you and I to fucking dominate a trivia bend day. Oh, you guys do interview the night. Big time. We are about to interview. I really hope someone's going to have a round that's all about the width or and actor credits. That's so mad at that. David had a difficult

time. My basketball captain referred about the trivia round. Yeah. And so they were like, "Come on, now, do it to us. Come on. We all work in Hollywood." You know, because it's mostly like LA guys. And I did it. Me coming out of me too. They were like, "It's too fucking hard to make. I know, I know I messed up." We kind of accidentally make the first thing gray on that trivia. Griffin and I have a trivia team that we do. And the worst we've ever done in a round is maybe

“getting like seven out of ten on Sims round. I think I got two out of fourteen. Yeah. It was tough.”

It was tough. The ones that I thought were Lamps. I looked back and I'm like, "Well, but those are you basically have to guess maybe you get it." We were running all our questions

by each other and I was like, "Yes, it's a round fair." Always again. This is the kind of

shit we just talked about all the time. I didn't action figure around and I was sending all the pictures to Marie and she got all of them immediately and I was like, "Good, so all of these are apparent. Everyone knows what all these characters dressed like, especially if their faces are poorly sculpted." Ben's round was great. Ben's round was good. Ben nailed it. Ben did a video around on holes. Anyway, thank you all for listening. Please remember to rate review and subscribe.

Tune in next week for Galiboli. That's right. And as always, O'Hanamene's family. No. I'm looking for the ratings bump. That guy's the king of the fucking box office.

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“storm sounds and posts. I think you want to be thrown some splashes in here throughout the”

episode at your discretion. I think there should be like rain soothing rain sounds under the whole.

I think you do what works. Well, I didn't prep anything, but I think in the final product at least. The final product. Okay. Can we listen to that song? Well, I was taking a bath. Yeah, Bobby Darren. Can Bobby Darren sponsor this episode? I'll reference if a storm moment feels right. Okay. But yeah, I didn't. I'm happy. It's fine to just be a post thing.

“I'd just like, yeah. I think there should be in the episode. This is a good discussion.”

This is after this is the post credit cookie. So people can see how the sausage is made. Okay, ready?