WALL-E with David Ehrlich

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We're going to go down there. Okay, sorry. He's coming back, right? He's got to be coming back. It's just a Malcolm in the middle of the world of like a sequel.

They're going to keep digging until the world collapses. Becker colon life is unfair.

“Any interest in Malcolm in the middle of life is unfair.”

Anyone watching that? I've heard it's fun. Once you lose Eric, pair Sullivan, I am out.

That is always my favorite thing in the world.

He's just like, no, thank you. And they're like, everyone's like, they offered him so much rock and money. They were like, this guy's playing such smart horrible. And he's like, I actually just have no interest.

They're offering him so much money to do nothing. Like, it's like, you know, you're just going to be the seventh guy. And you're just going to go like, no, it's just like no animosity. I love all of you. I wish you all the best.

I have no desire to do this again. It's very impressive. Yeah. If somebody was no desire to watch that show. I feel like I understand where it's coming out.

I love Malcolm in the middle. Like when it was on, like I was a big fan. It was a show that I tried to rewatch during COVID. I can imagine in my classic kind of, you know, in the COVID way of like, well, this could be something.

And I watched the pilot. And I was like, there's nothing wrong with this. Like, this is well executed. I remember it fondly. So it's moment.

It's yeah. I'm not feeling a desire to return here. Yes. There's something telling to me in the fact that Malcolm in the middle has not had any like Jen Zee.

Yes. She's a rediscovery. Right. Despite crayons, you know, a career that it feels like this show is purely nostalgia for those of us who grew up with it.

Which. I mean, honey of nostalgic for Frankie Munis's tweets about death. Frankie Munis seems. It's like a very well-adjusted gentleman. I was about to say, I don't know what you're talking about.

Okay.

“Do you remember that period where he was like racing cars”

and he gotten so many cars. He was like, I have no memories of Malcolm in the middle. I do. And now he's like out there promoting the Malcolm in the middle reboot and he was like, "I was so nice to get all together again."

And I'm like, "Don't you not know who print crayons today?" It's just that great moment where he was like doing a talk bag with crayonston. And he was like, "By the way, you're wife on breaking bad. What a shitty character."

She's always in his way. And he was like, "You realize I was pulling like a sociopathic drug dealer." It's so funny to be like crayonston and a gun uh, fucking Vince Gilligan. I feel like it's been so consistent in talking out against that line

of criticism of Russia.

Yeah, he's always been very good.

And be like, "Logging the right back." And to have crayonston there with his fake TV song, and be like glowing, and be like, "It's so nice to be all together." And then watch the terror on his face where it's like, "You have this fucking opinion too?"

Um, not shocking again, but essentially a brain damage. I'll start with that opinion. Yeah. Someone who was not working during the exact years that Reddit began taking over everyone's...

Right.

Frinking universes like triple crown of press was,

“uh, I think Skyler's the villain on Breaking Bad.”

Two was, I made Skyler buffs career by turning down the holes. And three was, "Did I make out with Hilary Duff?" I don't know. Well, there was also the sub story about how, because Hilary Duff's mom insisted that she was going to be

in Agent Cody Banks. He blocked her from being in the film because he was like, "You're stepping on my turf." Yes. He was like 12.

He is in both of them. Is she not?

Certainly in the first letter.

There was some story recently. Some actresses' mom. I think it was Hilary Duff. Yeah. Who was a stage mom for her daughter, essentially,

and saying, "Oh, she'd be perfect for the lead." And whatever your next movie is, and I will admit to not being totally off-book on my Frankie Munez. Well, let's see it.

Because we are doing Frankie Munez next on Patreon. Sure, sure. So it's two Cody Banks. We'll see you in the bar mitz for the movie with the... Jumati?

The bar mitz for movie with Jumati? I think movies now that I want to see. Well, it was piffin in the bar mitz for the movie. That's keeping up with the Stein. That's...

That's... That's Gary Marshall Nepple baby movie. Right.

“That's sort of aspirational Jewish casting.”

It's like I wish Jumati were one of us. No, Munez got my daughter. I don't skip. You got two Cody Banks. You got big fat liar.

And I feel like that's the canon. Right. It is. It's the American canon. Do you know what else is really funny?

I'm sorry. I've just remembered this. And it sort of makes more sense now that Munez is like... Well, they were begging me to do holes and I turned it down and like... Try to pick up my scraps.

I'll give it to you.

Like, movie holes will never not be funny to me.

Yes. Show holes. It was what kids were demanding to feed our owners at the time. Don't like it in the back of the way you say it. Don't like shows.

At... I think around the time that Wall Street money never sleeps came out. Shired did some interview where they were like... You've had five or six consecutive number one openings in a row. Like, are you the guy now?

And do you feel worried about maintaining that track record? And he was like... Yeah, but like, look at the things I was in. It was like transformers and Indiana Jones and a Wall Street sequel with Michael Douglas.

I'm not taking credit for that. Frankie Munez could have opened these movies. It's been a number one.

“And I remember that feeling like such a weird burn at the time.”

I was like, we just got negative juice. I love our finest comedian. Very level-headed movie star. Yes. Anyway, go over to our Patreon if you want to hear the films of Munez.

Munez. Munez? From the earth. Yes.

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And they just go to the highest bidder. Iger takes over, Eisner leaves, Iger immediately resets the table and figures out how to make good with Pixar and inherits Ratatouille Wally and up, which are the last three movies they make and the only three movies they make with just like zero commercial consideration, zero outside interference, zero studio pressure.

And you could feel it even in how these three movies were marketed. Griffin, you sound like someone who has invested interest and passion for Pixar, which was far out of your wheelhouse.

I'm introducing this threat of my interest to our listeners today for the first time.

“People were like, why the fuck would blank check cover Andrew Stan?”

Is that a David push? Then what's me? This is the joke. It's a bit. Okay.

What were you gonna say? Me? Yes. Oh, like Wally. Wally is a really good guy.

Really? I'm grown to like him more. Producer band, have you seen this movie before? Yes. Okay.

Because this is the era. We found it last week. Not a cartoon era that you hadn't seen finding Nemo and this is an era where you are opting out of a lot of the mainstream culture. That and just kids movies, I wasn't interested in.

I feel like trash plan is up your alley. That's trash plan. That being the original title. But did you see that in theaters? No.

Yeah. You caught up with it later.

When do you think you saw it for the first time?

I could not tell you. I'm just curious if it was like shortly after or like if you saw it in the last decade for the first time. In the last decade. Yeah.

This movie has a lot of benches in it. I really relate to Wally. He's a really good guy. I feel whenever best friends with the cockroach. No.

Got to try it. No. Not yet. I really relate to just being a rusty garbage boy. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I guess today is someone who's made a legitimate bid for most times Wattron Wally. I think I was thinking about this. I think it's entirely possible if not probable that I have watched this movie more

than any guest on this show or host on the show for that matter as ever watched any of the movies you've covered with a possible exception being Sims and Ponio. But I think my son's Wally fixation was so specific and unrelenting that I may have taken that particular ground, not that I'm proud.

When we finally committed to doing this series, when Toy Story 5 got dated, we just

typed you in. You're right. It took months before we even went like, we should ask, or like, we should just like double check. But there was an extended period where as you described it to me, my son thinks Wally

is movies. That's right. He does wrong. He does wrong. Understand that there's any other movie that's ever been made.

Correct.

“So we're on a plane and the only way to pacify him was to put something on.”

Was that? I said, Nirvana over here because they have a song called "On a plane." Two of those. Of course, it's a different. They mean a plane like we were on Disney's planes.

Yeah, Disney's planes. They were on a plane. They were on a plane. They were on a plane. The movie I am very glad he is yet to discover and we needed to pacify him.

Wally was on the CPAC screen courtesy of Delta and I think he watched it. Six or seven times, six, seven, Jesus Christ before. We should have met him. We should have met him. We should have met him.

And that was it for the next calendar year, Wally once a day twice on rainy day. It was one full year, basically, right? Of the whole year. Yes. Yes.

You probably watched a 500 times. Or it was in your home 500 times? It was. It was. I think at a certain point your eyes glaze over and you actually begin to retain less

of the movie than you did originally. It's a sort of blurs together as a out of self preservation.

“And you'll find that I think I have less of a handle on the details of this film”

than someone who's the only scene that you're doing. Just been abstracted. It's like a magic eye. I had a little bit of that rewatching it last night. You don't say very of a realization.

I did as well. I actually had to make an active effort to kind of reengage with it. We talked about this sometimes on the podcast. Can I try to watch this movie fresh again? Can I try to like really engage with it rather than take it for granted when it's things

I've seen so many times? And this movie at the time was the most I had ever seen a film in a theater. It might still be. And I watched it. So what was it?

Specifically for years, it might have hit 10, like it might have. It was so cool. It was so cool. Eight or nine.

The only way to watch a movie like this fresh in my experience anyway is thro...

of a child, especially a child seeing it for the first time, which is what I did with my

daughter last night. Okay. That's what I was hoping for. Right. The wally pillar.

We can talk. We can get into that. I don't know if now is the time. Are guests today. And this is unique.

“This is a kind of competitive advantage.”

He has on this podcast. Our guest today is a film critic named David who has children who he watches movies with. Have a real poster in the David category. Although I did have children first.

I will say if someone's copying someone here it ain't me. I will never forget. David. I'm sure I've brought this up before being at the theater to watch beautiful day in the neighborhood.

Good movie.

I always say I saw it in 40 X because I saw it at the Alamo and I ordered a cup of tea

and some cookies. That's good. I rewatched that movie recently. It's really really good movie. I've always been a fierce defender of that movie.

Same. So that's Thanksgiving 2019. I had helped you bring a new up your stairs that day. That morning, I think. Yes.

I suppose that is about seven minutes before we left for the hospital. You really had text me being like, hey, we really need to get this to up the stairs. It's a smart bassinet. You may find yourself with a new one day band like who know. We can talk new whenever we want to advertise on the show.

It's a great product. I did use news myself and like hey, can you bring up the stairs and then you text me while it's in the movie? Oh, Lord, he coming. Oh, Lord, he coming.

And, oh, Lord, he came. A little baby Wally. You did name him Wally, which kind of may be forced the issue on it being his favorite movie. So a little bit of nominated determinism.

Anyway, say my name. David Orlick. Bitch. Finally, after this parade of no name, hacks and losers that you guys have had for guests to start twenty twenty six, someone of real cultural importance.

Someone who had the the the foresight, the gall to tell the world, Lee Kronen's the mummy. Not great. That is what you're going to be. I thought you had them seen it.

I sure have. Oh, Kevin. And reviewed. Did not let me start care for it. Let me see what you said, not a not a fan.

There's not Lee Kronen in a for you. Right. That's what it did. The door delivers on Lee Kronen and Lee Kronen is feeling anyone any identifiable. See mine.

Yeah. Look, the obvious position they were in there was universal kind of push. Blum house off of the classic monsters, right. Clearly, Blum house was like, he's from a public domain. Can we keep doing our like takes on them?

So they set up a mummy movie at new line. They don't have the universal branding. And then they find out that universal is going to reboot the Brendan Fraser mummy. When there's already been three different universal movies, just called the mummy. And their pivot is was Brendan Fraser in this one?

I can't remember. No. What's to call it Lee Kronen's the mummy. Why didn't they just call it mummy? Yeah.

They called it mummy reborn.

“I think it would have like we have real mummy at home vibes.”

Yeah. I think also like if they close at the Brendan Fraser convention of why do they call it here this this is distinguished from Brendan Fraser the mummy to move the dragon emperor.

There's certainly never been a movie by that.

And put Brendan Fraser's face on the poster, but then be clear in small text he's not in the film. All I could think about. We just admire his work. He's known as the mummy is how hilarious it would be if Brendan Fraser cinema's biggest

goofball walked into this dire as hell story about child death and possession. It would be like Brendan Fraser walking into like a Serbian film. Well, he's got the very hilarious. He's got the group. He's got the group.

He's got the all time. It's from from whom? From Marty Square cheesy. You never remember this when people were asking him about the Fraser casting in till the five moon.

And he said he had the look. He had the energy. He had the energy to play. Yeah. Today we're talking about lawling.

Why? This is one of my favorite movies of all time. This is a movie and this was the other thing about watching it.

“So you think Nemo perfect, you do prefer this right?”

I was swinging back and forth while watching this. I mean, this movie is it's just very personal to me. And in a way, watching this, I was like, God, this thing was fucking laser targeted at 20 year old graphic. It could not have been more of a direct hit.

So it was interesting to rewatch it and and and feel nostalgic for what it meant to that guy at that time, not that it feels this personal, unpersonal now. Sure. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I totally understand. I mean, this was a movie that when it was announced, I was so hyped by the premise that it did at the time under deliver from. Oh, see. It over delivered for me.

My expectations for this were so high that I think I had the experience that a lot

Of people had at the time that we will talk about of the second act, hitting ...

less hard for me and me being like, right, it's a Pixar movie like it, which I love Pixar movies, but I was like, right, fun and I grew to love it much more once my daughter going to do it.

I had a whole real of a fair with Wally and now I prefer the second half to the fur.

That's interesting. And I'm just love it. You say half, but this is, you know, it's like the third movie. Yeah. Yeah.

A third third. Right. It's like the first third is Earth. I prefer the, uh, the axiom stuff. Yeah.

But I love it all. To be quick. Yeah. I love, I love it all too. We're getting it into it.

Yeah. I'm about to be saw at that time. I remember. I saw it at the villages. I remember.

It's similarly. I saw this almost every thicker near exciting. But I remember even before it was officially announced, there were swirling rumors of Andrew Stanton's next movie is a rom com about robots in the style of silent comedy. And I was like that feels fake.

There was a nervousness even at like the, the, the rumor of the vibe of the thing. That was so my shit. Yes. Right.

“Is this movie Steve Jobs greatest contribution to society?”

It's a great question. Moving through all the, the criterion extras and the only Disney movie in the criteria and collection certainly the only proper Disney movie with a Disney fucking logo at that top. That's a great question.

I have no idea. Yeah. You might be. Yeah. I'm like, maybe there's like another like touchstone near Max is no longer owned by Disney,

but you could say that Disney commissioned at the time. This was a all-acart, you know, one off choice that did not hurt in the relationship. Exactly. Yes. Who knows, fucking Disney just laid off shut down.

It's an entire home media department in order to replace it with wollies, but what was I saying here? Oh, there's a thing on the criterion desk where he said when he was running things by Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs biggest question slash note was, what is the business model that makes sense

for axiom to be running the star liner? Oh, I mean, I've had this question. Yes. Like profiting, how does this work 700 years in?

And I always just kind of like settle on like, well, they just want to be alive.

So this self-perpetuating, and they just kind of, yeah. But Steve Jobs, who never designed anything that did not fail after five years. Well, if I decide, right, we'd never develop a spaceship that lasted for seven centuries. Correct. Correct.

And it's obviously still a highly consumerist culture. Right.

“And you're like, who's getting the money from where does the money go?”

Right. That's what's fascinating about it. But I mean, I don't think there is money. No, I agree with the axiom as sort of the Apple store and all of the transaction ality is happening sort of within, but the Apple stores, you know, do tend to hold up against

where in terrorist posts. I feel like it's more just like the axiom built these ships for profit or long ago. Excuse me. BNL boss. BNL built the axiom ship for profit long ago.

They made the money. The ship took off. Right. And then after that, right. Of course, like human commerce just cease to exist because they assume they would actually

get back to us and whatever transactions they made on the axiom would then translate back to a world with whatever fucking digital fiat currencies. What did they eat though? What? Well, on the ship.

Yeah, they have the food to cut. They're not growing anything. No, it's all just fucking me. It's just like, do pop. Yeah.

Yeah. Pizza and cup, whatever. It does raise the question when you see in the movie. Sort of like advertisements for the new products or like everyone's switching from red to blue or whatever.

“You're like, is that one loop that's been repeating for 200 years?”

Is the thing just fully stuck in like every generation switches from red to blue? Yeah. Someone also... Or happens like once a week or once a year or something. Someone did the math also that humans basically live like 160, 180 years on the axiom

because the amount of captains there have been. Yeah. Yeah, it's seven hundred and fifty years. Seven hundred plus years. Yeah.

Explained by microgravity where you would have no stress on your muscles or your organs. Your bones get a little. Right. I have so much stress on my bones. Yeah.

I mean, it does. Steve Jobs note and his involvement in this movie to begin with does sort of speak to the commerciality that was at the heart of the Pixar ethos in a way that I like all of the movies particularly early on, you know, thinking about toy story, monsters ink and now while he which is sort of sort of a auto commentary at all this are rooted in precepts of capitalism

in a way that I always found as sort of a barrier to entry but like a low ceiling on how much

I could love them. It was just there was so distinctly American in that way. Sure. And as opposed to something like the obvious comparison of the studio Ghibli which

Just were more of an invitation to wonder for me and I think while he which i...

in wonder if anything is an act of trying to reclaim that and merge it with the capitalistic

impulse.

“You're also forgetting that a fucking a book's life is about communism and collective”

action. I mean, books like, you know, remake of 7 Samurai but even, you know, even that is maybe further afield from you know, but you're right. It was a lot of the Pixar thing was putting adult structures onto fantastical characters in children's films like I went on our our friends Emily St. James and Phil besco's podcast

podcast like it's and did a monster zinc episode with them. I think him out earlier this year. I was like this movie is a kind of like ground zero for a thing that becomes a cancer

in children's films which is what if magical thing was a business and monsters still is the

one that's done at the back. But also toy stories says what if business was a magical thing and so it is sort of and also like the Pixar right what if the dynamics of your toys talked like board sort of like office workers and yeah yeah and then this movie is the one that's sort of I remember the amount of reviews at the time that were like this message is nice but also

every store is littered with wally merch. This movie is being released by Disney. This is true. You know, it has a happy meal.

“But if you want to make a 180 billion dollar movie right you're probably gonna have to sell”

some toys. But your call is coming from inside the house was ever less of capitalism as boots Riley. Yes, but you're right that the the framework is different in that this is a movie of like someone trying to break down that system and that structure.

Yeah, or at least look for the cracks in it to you know have opportunities for for one to sort of bridge. I mean the movie is in many ways which talk about sort of bridging to worlds and I think in this particular regard it's bridging the world of art and commerce in that sense which is obviously implicit to everything the Pixar does but this is doing it a little bit more literally but yeah they you got to eat you know these movies are

made of profit. You've got to eat while you let your wally and you can just drink up those. I'm listening to Dawson.

“Dave's low they fly too close to the sun which famously not something you should”

put in some recharge really quickly. Um it starts of course with lunch. Wow JJ is getting like kind of narrative with his research stocks these days lunch at the Hidden City Cafe and Port Richmond point Richmond near the headquarters of Pixar famously the teaser trailer for this movie.

I remember this teaser trailer and I was excited for this movie. I was like jerk in a big dick watch and I was like get the fuck out of here. You know about this then no so speaking of Disney like making the deal inheriting these three Pixar movies that they had no say in and it's like good luck your next three movies to market are move you better french rat who believes in high cuisine right at a time

where like Americans did not fucking care about food. A silent robot comedy and an old grumpy old man who's wife died in a flying house and they're like the fuck are we gonna do with these and the rat at two teaser trailer famously has the thing where it spells out the title phonetically and it's all like a made-up scene of the character direct addressing the camera explaining to you with the premises

because they were like fuck are we gonna do with this and then the walley teaser trailer is Andrew Stanton talking about this experience of the Hidden City Cafe like the trailer only has like 20 seconds of animation footage in it.

It is basically all trying to explain to you trust us we're picks up the trailer where

they have the Brazil music. I think so yeah anyway talks about it was last year doctor Jo Ramf and they hammer up books like monster sink finding Nemo and then the last one they talked about was why yes so basically they're in production on toy story they're like should we be coming up with other ideas and case the things I hit and they ask us what our next

movie is we shouldn't be unprepared so they said this one lunch and all of those movies come out of that one lunch obviously not fully formed but that's what they're fucking framing in fact let me tell you that's right Stanton's actual report on that slightly massage kind of advertisement teaser is this is the most magical lunch of all time have which you haven't am I right what are they every movie that came out of this has

been beloved trust us this is the final movie from that they drink story juice oh yes and they they ate movie sandwiches so Stanton has said look we had ideas that inspired those movies obviously we did not like come up with a bunch of finished things it would be fun to have bugs what if you make a movie about like monsters and children's bedrooms yeah he said the bulk of lunch was a bug life we truly came up with a large

Chunk of the movie in that lunch and then probably the second most concrete i...

it was has half-baked was the last robot on earth a machine left running not sure what to do with itself idea there was no name no storyline it was really just a character but we'd liked the character like we like that idea we're in the military story and we have been

“really struggling to make what he appealing so I think they were really into this kind of”

like Robinson Crusoe robot because they're like that's appealing that's like a good god you're already rooting for that exactly yeah although also a little sad kind of a sad because I remember saying to a friend of mine when I was like really hyped for this movie before came where I was like it's about like a garbage robot that like earth is just a pile of garbage and everyone's gone and he just keeps going and he was like that sounds so depressing and

I was like right but like that's crazy right isn't that cool like so if it wasn't initially called trash plan a trash plan it Ben I mean I like Wally's a good title but trash plan it really draws you

the pitch was Pete doctors Andrew inherits it there was basically a game just like the very

very basic pitch for a period of time Stanton was trying to crack monsters ink and doctor was trying to do Wally and then they end up swapping and stand ends up also coming up with

“finding Nemo which then supersedes thank god they switched if doctor had done it there would have been”

like a droid named loneliness and he would have been like you know there would be yeah but that's why doctor gets the story credit because he basically was the one who incubated a very different version of this first so Stanton is working on Nemo he starts dreaming of trash plan it again it basically becomes his like Barton think to his Miller's crossing wall he's working on Nemo where when he's hit a wall he's like let me let me noodle on this and type some shit out he said

basically that the first act his quote fell from the sky he was like that felt like so complete

but me right what do I do and then I never knew what to do once he leaves but then he's like well

the opposite aloneliness is love so it should be a love story okay he was seduced by this idea of like he falls in love with another machine okay so where did the machine come from right what is that machine have interest in now this is as you've noted the man is religious the greatest commandment Christ gives us is to love but that's not always our priority so I came up with this premise that could demonstrate what I was talking about that a rational love could defeat program right

you got these two robots with the base directive but then the love kind of overrides yeah this is what he's saying not me no yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm I'm gonna sit on my my read on this movie for a moment okay so you know obviously this is a risky thing they are a little worried they do have the blank check status of Pixar's huge success and especially

“Nemos huge success that like I think Stanton can sort of ask essentially what he did which is like”

can you leave me alone can I try to write it like let's not do this sort of big edit room like together or whatever and you know like can I write like an original sci-fi movie he loves sci-fi movies Alien Star Wars yes these are big 2001 I've seen them eventually Jim Rierden who's a Simpsons guy he directed men to co-write the best Simpsons episodes of all time such is what he directed King the one we can rock King size homework you know what King size homework is

pretty funny I'm gonna give you a list in a second because it's actually astonishing though it's often just

amazing when you see those Simpsons beds for you're like oh my god everything you did is amazing

you're like of course yes everything the Simpsons did was amazing he couldn't eight years had a reputation for a while he was a caller's guy as well of being the best animation comedy writer of his generation he became more of a writer guy that he directs many Simpsons he worked on the mighty mouse cartoon under Ralph Bakshi with Stanton which is where they became friends his big breakout was his student film was called bringing me the head of Charlie Brown that was a pecking

pop version of peanuts that was semi-viral in a tape tray kind of a rubber right yeah um uh episodes he directed if I can just fucking let give me a couple yes it she inscribed she enlarged Bart's dog gets an f brush with greatness when flander's failed trio support too Homer at the bat dog of death Bart's friend falls in love Homer the Herodic Mr. Plow Duffless Margin chains homester college like insane line up the bat is huge for me Bart's part of darkness

part of darkness is lemon of joy lemon of joy is so good he directed like a lot of the best one from the best air the Simpsons it was a good show yes he it was people like it's a shit what did they it ended I guess in 90 yeah so yeah they have the idea of the uh the eve sorry he brings weird in yeah like she's like got the city of this sort of sleek futuristic techno robot uh this sort of the outfit if you'd love with an iPod first version wasn't set on her oh interesting it

Was just a trash planet like we don't know what Steve Jobs is the one like I ...

set it on earth like I think you should have a little bit more of a commentary here I saw there was a thing he said like the crachandesque where he was like when I made this movie I did not want to comment on or engage with humanity at all when I was like relatable developing it I was like the whole appeal to me is like isolated robot outer space remove ourselves disinserts holes from this and people kept kind of noting it in a way that brought it back to needing some human connection

to make sense of the movie now is he identifiably in New York City or as Wally just been inspired by the architecture of New York somewhere deep in this coding to build in New York City out of

“keep trash I think it's the latter okay um so it takes a long time we got the second half right”

ball well well the iPhone comes out in 2006 he was one of the first people to get one

because he had a new job gave him one and through playing around with the iPhone the sort of addictive quality of like a smart phone he comes up with the kind of like humans addicted to screens living in the axiom like thick he said also like when I first got one and started playing around with it I was like I have not felt this in cigarettes it's crazy because I feel like so much of it was compelling about the iPhone back in 2007 was like the social cashier because it was very little to

do on it there was less to do but we made do with whatever later I mean I didn't get an iPhone till 2012 I had a blackberry you were a blackberry guy I was a blackberry guy for sure yeah I mean it was a work thing like a yeah it was a work thing but yeah well like my job gave me one I was just a little blackberry yeah um little key do do do do do do do do do do um stance and says I'm not making a comment on obesity I'm trying to just make everyone a big baby

like the idea of the of the humans on the axiom is not that they ate too much it's that they have to do baby well okay so let me let me get into another thing here because because there's the thing we sort of skipped over originally he doesn't want it to be earth and then there was

“an extended era they only make this change like I think about two years before the movie comes out”

it was supposed to be a ship of like green gelatinous blobs who didn't speak English there were

two different versions of it I don't know which one came first but at one point it was truly like

they are aliens they have sent they were gel people who spoke on a language like there was like Monte Python sort of ikea speaker whatever which was stepping up a planet of the apes and the egg turns out then the end of the film it would reveal that they were once human right yeah so like a planet of the apes style he talks about like there was a version where it was like they were truly truly impartial aliens the implications that humans died off and now these aliens have

abducted these robots and trying to study you know extinct cultures right and that they have a bunch of robots and the movie was like a robot Spartacus as they put it where the robots are second classes and under the aliens and wally becomes like a figure of the uprising but would it be that they're evolved well well so then there was a different version I don't know which one came first where it was the blobs are the devolved versions of humans that is the twist that we've devolved

that much and that they don't even remember or understand that they're connected to that lineage

“and that's what wally helps connect them with and they look up very far along in that there are like”

animation models that were built and they had written the whole sort of version of that and done the story reels of it and they were just like it the lift became so hard and heavy to get audiences to connect with the blobs who aren't speaking it is this thing for me where I'm like I accept and I buy they just tried and couldn't pull it off but the second I heard that I was like Jesus Christ if they had made that work it would have been a stunner and I say this is someone who has

never found a blob that I haven't been able to connect with we love blobs uh sure too

especially blobby the OG uh but best of blobby one of the most important pieces of media are important that riffing should be too but I think it's just a thematically it doesn't really square because you implicitly there's no way to move them that being blob is worse than being human right they need to be babies like I like the it's the axiom stuff is what I like more of these needs to be helpless they need to like learn helplessness but the iteration was like

right audiences aren't connecting to this maybe we have them talk it's hard for the audiences connect the blobs to make them feel like distinct different characters there was an error where it was like uh ever stalker see there was like a king in a queen in a prince there was a royal wedding like modern structures and then they're sort of like let's put a nose on the blob what if they're not green but they're like flesh colored you know and then it slowly evolved into the baby thing

and in doing the kind of like classic Pixar research you spoke to a scientist who said like if multiple generations of humanity were to live in space they wouldn't just have their muscles

Atrophy they're they're actual physical composition would change you see the ...

I mean we're recording this in the middle of April but they people just came back from the moon or going around the moon and they had the video of the astronaut who hadn't walked on earth in 10 days just 10 days and she could not pull herself along the parallel bars you can't see supported it but right right so it's like if you're the like seventh generation born into space you don't need like muscles anymore you don't need your bones they're just sort of like shrunk within your body

they're big babies fortunately uh technology has not had any sort of negative effect along those lines on us uh no it's a movie it turned out to be not prophetic at all it's the problem with this movie is it got

it all wrong we solved every day they also can figure out the ending or for a while it was always

going to be like he has to give her his like heart battery there was like a sacrifice they never liked to finally they had more the idea of like he loses his memory is the kind of crisis at the end need to interact with this because it's another just kind of like fascinating standing story cracking moment like the finding him a barracuda thing and all of this is important set up to John Carter where he breaks his own story roles in several ways I've never been able to understand you know

they watched a lot of silent comedies and they watched a lot of chaplain and Lloyd and buster keyton especially because I would argue that while he is most closely aligned with the

“buster keyton character types even if the movie I think leans more towards modern and I'm not”

modern there is a lot of modern times in it but also city lights it's like a chaplain movie with a buster keyton character and he said the thing we we kept trying to figure out what Wally's emotional arc was and trying to force one and what's his growth and how does he change and then we started looking at those movies and it's like very often buster keyton is an unchanging figure in the center of things and what he does is subtly affect everyone else around him what he don't face but of metal exactly

and so he kept being like well Wally has to like become empowered by the end of the movie he has to save he has to become the dominant one it is one of the latest major changes in a Pixar film because the last 20 minutes were basically completely animated and they did a test screen in where they hadn't done final lighting passes and whatever and it wasn't even a note he got back but he

“watched it with the audience and I think it's on the disk because one guy in the mall in Arizona who”

was like yeah what if what if Wally falls asleep why the fever was a girl boss she had to save him but there's a there's a clip of him going to the Pixar team and being like guys I'm so sorry I'm about to ask you to do an insane amount of work we have to redo the entire last 20 minutes

and usually it never gets that far you you identify those issues at a storyboard phase but it was

completed physical animation there are scenes in the trailers from that version of the movie you can see that aren't in the final film which it like shit never gets cut that finished but yeah he was like it has to be inverted it has to be that his world view has actually affected her enough that she needs to pick up his mission and carry it out but you can see the like a lot of the extended deleted footage of Eva's like batteries been fried and Wally has to save her and he's

flying around with her at the end. Stanton very shy about any kind of like topical discussions not interested in talking about global warming like sort of dismisses a lot of the environmental stuff because he's like I don't have political ban the last thing I want to do is pray each like all of this just sort of made sense for my story asked about consumerism he's like yes there's lots of things disconnecting us from each other and that are consumerist but the reason I made

“them a big baby is because it was like a nasty guy told me you know that's what they would look”

like Bob you know like he he's like the last thing I'm trying to do is make a message movie like he's very whether or not you want to take this away from him he's sort of seemingly uninterested in addressing that. Wait that's so weird though. I agree I mean can I get some of my job may I give my read on that for a second. Sure because this criterion just came out in 2022 right and that is this framework of now here is an adult cineast physical media package with curated supplemental material

to like frame this with an intellectual conversation and the new material on the criterion disc is so much more pointed and transparent. There is a lot of I have to imagine Disney inheriting this movie and I think it's what's fascinating about watching this movie now we're like the greatest concern was a kind of like an anti intellectualism and an apathy that's what cultures falling into

and that anything in this movie that could have been seen as a leadist or critical of an American

apathy would have become like a fucking talking point because apathy would become Disney's lifeblood

Over the last 10 years so in the live action remake era.

at the time you cannot fucking pull it aside this movie right. I think so I mean a lot of these

“interviews are also from like Christianity today in like 20 that's what I doubt that I was working”

for when I spoke to him in 2022 I talked to him not for Christianity for around the time the glory came out and he was very receptive to talking about the political bailances of the film. The more recent interviews it seems like he will be like I mean of course I do get a lot of boxes from Amazon and wonder. He said that was one of the main activating things was like 2020. Right. He didn't say it at the time. No, he didn't say it at the time. I did buy that he wasn't like

trying to grind access with this movie and I think you hear him talk about organically how the story locks into place but also it was coming out of personal observations. Wow I got a smartphone I'm addicted to this. I now there's a website that sells everything my house is filled with

“boxes. Yeah I mean my sense talking to him was that all those things were true but I do feel like”

the sociological commentary spring out of what you were talking about earlier which is like deep rooted love for the movies early movies in particular the movies that were formative for him where he really sort of sprang to life which is very convenient for my purposes was talking about the movie as a expression of the joys of parenting as the act of you know I talked about a bridge earlier so like the act of of taking something from one generation showing it to another robots acting

like humans to teach humans how to stop acting like robots the transference of of going from consuming everything as well it's done for hundreds of years to displaying that to showing that to someone else which is a completely revelatory and transformational experience for him.

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brackets like here's what wally's trying to say and then obviously later they put in you know

all their little noises ben bird the great member uh the legend ben bird is uh Ben uh costly uh the man who like invented the entire Star Wars soundscape among many other things but one of Lucas's closest collaborators and you know just these things we take for granted of just like droid languages and lightsabers and the sounds of ships um created that probably with a moog like analog synthesizer there's another great thing on on one of the blue ray releases that's a break

down of like how many people at Pixar have to touch one single shot of a movie like how many different departments work on it and they cut to ben bird explaining what his contribution is and he was like I was trying to find the right sound for this movie for this shot and then I remembered that in around 1997 I'd gone and done some recordings of Niagara Falls and it's very uh indicative of how ben bird

works which is he just kind of fucking collects sounds right always collecting sounds right so

there are things that he would sort of just like construct but more often he just was constantly building a sound library and then being like oh you know it'd be interesting what if the sound of this ship is this plus this what if he was collecting sounds one night and collected the sound of a bird I mean this is the question and David did he didn't invent uh did he invent robot leaps and bloops being cute because we had leaps and bloops we had forbidden plenty well let me tell

You I I would agree with you that know believe it's self I think was not cute...

right um I don't know yes I think so I I would love to look at a list of like histories robots like

“you know I think who who was there is like robbies not that cute all right let me go best”

bleep bloops okay so during well they're preparing this and understand to keep saying like I

need this to be like R to D to and finally Jim Morris who is the former president of ILM who

now works at Pixar says do you want to just get Ben Bert like but guy who did R to D to which basically the equivalent of like casting Tom Cruise in your movie it's like this is your main actor basically not only does he literally end up being the model for the voice of Wally but it's like this is the guy who's gonna figure out whether or not your entire movie works if he can make these compelling interesting now Ben Bert as he puts it had just finished what he considered it basically 30

year tour of duty making Star Wars movies and was not that enthused about robot he was coming right off of Angelus yeah he just went working on the prequels for so long and was like I just don't want to do any more robots but that kind of capra romance buster key interesting hero thing yeah that's an interesting challenge and you know the idea also of like they're going it's just they're most of communicating with each other so bridging the sort of robot communication

gaps right like which sort of like the R2 3PO yeah yeah he likes that but you're removing the humans going like what you know well and also like me they come in the you know C3PO is human cyborg relations his job is to fucking translate things and it's like what if you're not translating it and how do you still make it read to the audience what a crazy guy that guy is Ben Bert uh C3PO but yeah sure Ben Bert C3PO though there's a guy who could use a crush all right

“I don't think I think that would just make him anxious kind of wild nine movies C3PO never even like”

carry on if I didn't just your thought there were even like fox supposed to everyone else and our fans and males are fucking loving road you know art you could get it art you can get it and I think he's getting I think sometimes he's rolling off to the side and you're like what did I do go and you're like he's he's going in he's hitting so uh you know they you know the usual Ben Bert thing of like okay now I've got this challenge

of like creating character voices all distinct all have to sort of sound human sound relatable stuff he records in a little chamber he says takes those recordings run them run them through his computer he analyzes the sound and breaks them into component parts like you would sort of break light through a prison to get colors he says and then you start refabricating you know putting it all back together again but you can

control you can be like maybe a little more of this little less of this hold vowels stretch

vocal cords in a way that you could never you know the pitches and you know if sound was

silly putty you could stretch it and make it longer he says I found a way of working on while you were you could do that sounds like something I would not be good at but it sounds very very cool it's very cool guy he also just I mean I've only seen him in countless baking I was but just seems like a friendly fella I was gonna say it seems like a sweetie pie super charming he's not like this is intense like no remember so I also think some of these Lucas he

guys and interviews you're like you're like you are the spectrum you seem like a nice person but you almost like or robot looking for another robot to talk to Ben Bird I think is I got to meet him when we went with George Lucas to Skywalker Ranch cool and he has since retired but was there giving a tour to his friend from high school that's cool I mean he's pretty old at

“this point he's in his late 70s yeah I assume you must have talked at length on this podcast about”

the trip you just mentioned but I have no memory about it I'm not it it's not about it much but it was pretty it's a very casual George Lucas took me to his house George Lucas did not take me to his house George Lucas has not acknowledged us yeah the way you presented it yeah sorry sorry let me clarify yes yeah other people within the organization like the George Lucas talk show and have always been like I don't I don't want to have torture like it there's always been this sort of one

degree away George just like comedy but he's really sensitive and so I was like the extent to which he can find humor in himself and his work yes it seems to me it's more than it was but I'm not detaving a ton of it it's more than it was but also like every year at like Comic Con they would do a panel that was like Lucas films favorite fan films and parodies like he's always embraced that

shit and Connor Connor Ralliff always tells the story about like the first time Star Wars was

On the cover of Mad they were sent like a cease and disist and George Lucas t...

George Lucas's lawyer saying like really because this is a letter we got from George Lucas last week

“and it was George saying like I'm so flabbed to be on the cover of Mad can I please buy the original”

art but we walked into like this guy work a ranch library in the library and looked at Connor Matt was wondering if you were ever going to show your face here it feels like some people them watch the show yeah fascinating I have to say some of the only joy I've known in the last

few weeks was watching Jared Harris on the George Lucas talk show where he just the first half of

it he's like what decisions have I made in my life that let me into this moment I will that's the joy of doing the show is watching people go through that and then by the end of it when I'm all in on that but it was so cool to watch basically we were being given a tour adjacent to Ben Burke giving a tour and it was at a on a day where there weren't a lot of people like you could walk 15 feet behind him and just hear echoes of yeah set up and watch him talk about it and

whatever he he's a lovely guy so a Sigourney weaver obviously is involved with this movie as he put it to Sigourney weaver you get to play mother now right what if you're mother she likes that idea she does it Sigourney weaver I feel like also it likes to do stuff it does feel like a great way of accepting your kids with eventually watching alien when they're seven it also is on the

“timeline it also speaks to the tough sell of this movie where I remember like Sigourney weaver”

doing fucking like the today shown good morning in America and whatever for this movie even though it's almost like an extended in Joe cameo because they were like we have no stars in this film please tell me weaver's the computer the other reactors are Ben Burke a Pixar employee and the Mac text to speech program and two men who have been accused of being sex pests in different different varieties yes right I was not looking at my head you see other two pixel tape Garland has

gotten the Garland and Fred Willard jacked it no he didn't listen I didn't say in the place you're supposed to jack it right he was appreciating the art he was engaging in the matter in which it was and wasn't a porn theater you take that I didn't say sex pests in this rockatory way yes well pest is a rockatory word you can't just be like I'm being a pest and if it's like yeah you're my favorite pest I would call him a sex fan he's an appreciator sex

yeah yeah no it's right Willard Garland John Ratt's burger the big three of the two thousand box office um so uh well you know they there is the right there is the right there is the

“there is the I think at the time for Pixar somewhat revolutionary thing of like we will have”

humans it's hard to hear the movie right it's only time they've done that right like they've never done

anything like that since no yeah so you got Willard obviously is like it's a good joke I mean it's sort of like we will turn into CG well yeah we were what's humans that we turned into CG yeah this is also the movie where instant talks about that this was kind of his main project of like if we're putting humans in it then we're presenting this not as a form of like photorealism but we have to sell a sense of versatility and so the technology is finally gotten to a point and this is still an

era of Pixar we're almost every movie is built around a new technical challenge can we solve right like they're there actual basic building blocks of this medium working that still have not been cracked yet and his big pet project on this one was can we truly make the virtual camera feel real unlike in 2D animation where you are the animator also basically the cinematographer to a degree right and you are composing your shop but you're very limited in the kind of camera movements

or even approximations of camera movements you can do CGI inherently has like a virtual camera built within it you know this is a movie where it's like we want to make the camera feel real we want to own the imperfections and the struggles of what it came from it did a lot of analog 70 millimeter tests to try and capture that kind of you know the lighting the texture and they're like where is the barrel distortion you know where are the imperfections they got

both Roger Deekens and Dennis Marin to be consultants on this movie and he was basically like I explained to them all these things that have driven like Russian lens makers crazy for decades

that they've never been able to solve the weird quirks of just like human limitations that then

Pixar is trying to replicate rather than computer which is always trying to perfect everything and a thing that happens later kind of bad guy computer kind of bad guy but like especially in the

Sort of uh living on rose montage there's a lot of like you feel the camera o...

talked about this of like especially the the Seymour Wally triggers all the shopping carts and they come like rolling after him against the wall like the camera is struggling to catch up with

walling keep him in the frame there's like an overcorrection of the camera's book that's basically

the stuff they started fucking with in the bloopers yeah like the toy story bugs life monsters and bloopers have that kind of like isn't it funny to acknowledge that someone needs to like refocus I don't care for those the bloopers are funny David I understand I don't care for that you don't care for them at all I like them when I was a kid it's funny that animation yes would have your stakes because you think they would just erase it a little bit we also we didn't call this out

I'm finding Nemo but that was one of Stan's moves also where he was like these movies can't start to feel like they're fitting into a pattern in a formula 100% we got we got to break the blooper thing because like we're about to start repeating ourselves yeah yeah I don't like the

blooper thing and this movie does nothing the first time so our board room story bro I didn't I'm

saying he retreated from that yeah like I mean very clearly I mean obviously brave their best film was still to come it's a little bit change your fate do you want to change your fate was it the waves now the film begins oh how does Wally fit into the Pixar theory the witch turns into witty and we're swallowing in this Wally's is Wally pre-cars like will cars come after Wally

“I think Wally is post-glockers Wally charts the apocalypse and then up but yeah is it post-cars”

I think yeah I think it's that after the course of dialogue not originally invented to clean up us what's name fucking McQueen lighting McQueen yeah Wally is post-cars of course guess what's post-wally in the Pixar timeline theory on word of course set in the 4,000's it's a fuck you honestly I mean I don't know what you're talking about is it worth diving in no no no no no it's worth saying what it is and why we're not giving it any validity

it's not a real the Pixar movies all have these easter eggs right where it's like the pizza planet truck shows up in every movie there are things like that and most of the Pixar movies include a preview of the next film so we called out in the final emo episode in the waiting room the dentist a kids reading an incredible comic they would seed kind of the next movie in a little way right at the end

of monsters ink boo has like an emo toy there's always that kind of shit and a very annoying

corner of the internet started taking it literally and being like oh that means they exist in the same universe what is the timeline that justifies all these things happening and with every added Pixar film it becomes sweaty or in sweatier but you can watch like hour-long YouTube essays

“where it's like so I mean I believe that was like a matter of what you've done it's a horse take over”

kick this off then when the cars kill themselves while he cleans up our garbage while he starts with a real shot across the bow and that you like immediately it's just out there you know and it is so immediately removed from Pixar tonality up in point I thought about our crashing tiger hidden rag and episode where you said has any movie more quickly announced itself as a master piece well with the opening string crashing tiger still has it yeah yeah it's good if the quality

is implicit or what all these but in context yeah this is telling you it's a little bit circa 2008 and there's another theater this is not your daddy's Pixar movie well it knows you're also there's no soft easing you know most of the Pixar movies like have like a cold open before you go to an open credit sequence and then they start to really minimize the opening credit sequence this is like Disney logo Pixar logo the short before this was presto which is pretty good

“and theater pretty good you love presto I think that's the best one they ever did”

it's the best one they ever did apart from of course my beloved red stream we're the bicycle yeah what's your friend lava lava lava actually should have gotten picks our shutdown you know what I'm like everyone's like we appreciate everything and they release lava in the government immediately he's like I'm sorry you're done I came home when they got and found my daughter watch it lava and it was like like you threw the TV out the window you're kid watching

the ring tape I was like oh what's your favorite of the shorts I think presto is so goddamn fine love presto but I'm like the top is interesting what's the top I got to think of that it's better not be fucking lava for the world yeah I mean it better not be fucking what uh I was about to say a funny one uh boundin but I do enjoy boundin hopefully he's boundin

I like yeah yeah I like lava the most I look love I mean sorry sorry presto s...

I love lava is the I love bow and I've seen that was so many times because my daughter really loved bow for a long time that made me the little plastic prop bow when that came out and it's been living in my freezer for like eight years now oh my sin your freezer because it's a frozen bow whatever I'm like is Jerry's game my favorite is that Jerry's game for a good yeah Jerry's game for a good he's joining the MCU soon right can you name which ones one the Oscar

did Jerry's game win Jerry's game one okay so the I look so junior one incorrect looks it was nominated it's in toy one tin toy one that's the first one did Nick neck win Nick neck sadly lost two stack two bodacious right Jerry's game one yeah

“that was the second okay for the birds one I remember that that was in that era where it was kind”

of like they're just gonna win every single time they do one because it was too consecutive for boundin got a task kicked boundin didn't get a task kicked then it doesn't win they don't win again for a while did day and night win no la Luna no but my daughter also loves those nominated yeah Luna is is a luka prequel yes you know it's got like luka style yes love it didn't win didn't

no thank god love it not even didn't pipe her win pipe her is good pipe her looks amazing

yes pipe her is just looks incredible yeah but there's not a win between two thousand and twenty and then bow one yeah bow so good she eat the bow she eat the bow do you remember when they announced bow we were all like this sucks I don't want to watch a food baby and then everyone comes at a bow cry bow fucking rocks then of course turning red rocks yeah maybe turning red is the best yeah uh god turning red so funny now I'm just thinking about it with all their faces go

funny at a base style it's so funny uh I just think the immediate quick cuts establishing shots of space straight it with fucking hello dolly lyrics the weird juxtaposition of like what is the fucking tone of this movie the hello dolly of it is very funny in that that movie is so uh flawed I mean this is so great it's like exactly right it's also said that he's like I find it funny

the wall he has bad taste well it's like I always imagine he's a bit of a cheese ball yeah listen

Molly while he was not exactly uh you know had a blockbuster video it is disposable okay but he just wants to hold him but I always do imagine like what if while he had found like a VHS

“of citizen cane or something he just came from well yeah I think citizen cane so fun right what's”

not his funny but what's the gag where he throws out the good ring he picks up over the ring he used the ball yeah yeah I love that but I think that's part of also like it feels reflective of like you're lucky or like that you're son hyper fixated on wally and that was the movie that had to play 500 times and you're oh there have been other much worse hyper fixations and it's exactly you're like he's like a child by stage the meltdown for some reason he's fucking locked in on

meltdown's tough uh tough the step up from the first I know it's not a step down you see

you're half of the face with a hand down one time I went over to your place and your some was insistent that we all watch I saved the meltdown and got really angry when anyone also was talking to her oh yeah yeah he loves to do that yeah he's uh this is part of why we had such a blow up at the almo draft yes what was a blow up we're about it online you know you

“really are like strapped house please oh I did oh yes right but that was not entirely as fall”

no I don't mean there was no no I was talking but no as says is you know very serious about taking in his his I say it's just not like people talking over and everyone has to find really don't like going I've been to draft house twice with my daughter and I don't like it as much as a night off please do not even get obviously draft house this right by stage boiling points the night off has been better draft house is now I agree the worst place to see a movie but

so easy to fix like it's just like it you have the infrastructure guys we can fix this like look back right we all told you not to do that and now we're not going well I can't tell I'm holding out hope for comments that's prevail but I also think that they are so deep in it and are so invested in transcending their course by which you've been technology firing lots of people reducing their hours and having no more season workers that was their whole thing too

was they were like we're rolling this out as a test program to see if it works the best you know how much feedback though is terrible and they're like great we're going to go ahead and force it on every one and it was like this was your plan all along you you didn't care how anyone felt all this yeah of course right some real be an hell shit it is some real be an hell shit but I've tried to think of the other movies that I've had to endure this many times he's not really into big

city greens which is not a movie out yeah it's a show that I had not heard of until you mentioned

This story I've never heard of it it turns out that like roughly 60% of the g...

appeared on black check have done voice cameo's on a victory not one for new one host no zero hostly's been on it yeah yeah that's that's just latest thing I'm still trying to figure out what it is hi Ben my name is David Ehrlich you might remember we've from such blank check-up so it's as wally so I figured that I would send you a quick voice mail because something has really been troubling me since we recorded our wally episode a couple of months ago you know any number of

things that I've said on blank check over the years have have played to me but but nothing has really kept me up at night quite like how callously I dismissed the children's television show

“big city greens I think of the time I was myth that my six year old son Asa was forsaking the”

infinite riches of children's cinema in favor of a streaming television show during his limited after school television time but it turns out that big city greens is a fucking masterpiece

it's basically the Simpsons for eight year olds or or younger I think it ages a little bit

aged up for my son but he seems to rock with it anyway it's actually a gateway drug two of the Simpsons that I came home one day to find my son watching completely unprompted didn't even know he's aware that the Simpsons existed large verse the Monterele which was a really profound moment for me anyway in summation uh wally good big city greens very good chipwistler evil so I got thank you love you bye here's a question for you how long had it been do you think since Asa had seen the

movie last after watching it hundreds of times there's no gap when he discovered right before last night um when I had to sort of because he's so resistant to anything that is no longer his choice anything that he thinks is his sister's idea or preference uh is not gonna fly so I actually thinking that he would be just sort of enraptured by flashing lights as he's prone to do uh I had my my beautiful wife mo uh turn on wally as I was bringing the kids up the stairs yeah so that when he walked in it would

just be there and sure enough you know slack jaw you know like he's the thing from Batman forever yeah just fucking uh watching wally it did immediately suck a man it did and they ended up watching

the whole thing uh but it had been it had been probably three years and your daughter had never seen

it before never seen it before immediately immediately fell in love with wally all la wally falling in

“love with Eve however it came from a place of profound concern I think my my daughter unlike my”

I hesitate to call him so I'm so sorry about the fun of podcasts that will outlive me uh but uh it'll love my life ASAP but uh he he's not quite the natural empath that my uh that my daughter is but like every three seconds which would be like wally no it's okay wally wally wally my daughter constantly in peril my daughter we get so anxious about when the rocket lands because that is I guess in the first act pretty much the only moment of real peril when he's chasing the red dog

yeah and then like some flame and because she would just you know and she'd right had to always

be reassured every like he's one also Eve it does shoot wally several times she does but like that's played more for laughs I guess like you never really feel that threat and then the later

“existential threat if he loses his personality yeah I think didn't quite land with my like three”

year old daughter right she didn't really get the peril there uncle Griffin did buy a I think a wally and didn't even or maybe I bought the wally I think you bought the wally they're still making new wally's and they haven't made a good even a while and I bought a vintage even pretty good it's no it's it doesn't fly but let them do that it's it please trust me I did the work to get the best one I could but it was vintage like I don't think they've produced a compatible it doesn't have a cannon in

like 15 years yeah which has blown several holes in my apartment walls yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah of course yes yes but right her name is technically for name is Eve but it's just a wally and she says wally and can we just say that she's hot first and I just should I not do that like I walked out of the movie with two two I'm if the time being like what I really liked that wasn't quite as transcendent as hoping at the time I remember I am rock but then I said

this is that boxy robot she is a bossy round face she is a bossy round face not the rounder correct and she could not be bossy she's an upside down egg she does is go wow he's like you know what moment I really love please after she kisses him and electrocutes his face

She does in space and he's like frozen floating away she goes wally wow for t...

like kind of like come on you'll silly goose I know that my sexual power is totally fried you're absolutely not operating the stuff like waves are are I'm over David yes you got any big summer plans if you're traveling you got late nights packed weekend zero structure any of those keeping agey one in your routine helps you stay consistent that's a loaded word right there consistent when everything else gets and here's another loaded word

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you start with the fucking Blair of like yes and obscure musical song and you're like this is not how this movie starts and then it winds down to absolute silence but then it's like a closer earth

the pivot that they make to the first notes of to this for the score which are very ominous score

“very important and do that is huge jarring moment I think is similarly unexpected we're like oh”

we're going from the joy of that song to to something is unnerving the pallet of the first three minutes is already like throwing you totally out of whack of like don't expect this to conform to the the comforts of the usual Pixar movie why are they using like an old Hollywood song why is there now just kind of silence and isolation and they film wally from like such a distance and you're sort of focusing on the spaces and then watching him cross and clear frame and not even clocking

necessarily that he built everything we can see totally right and then the Thomas Newman score only kicks in once we sort of zoom out and understand oh he built these structures and he said hello you watch the process of him sounds music doing the cubing stacking the one this sort of pride he has in doing it precisely there's a great stand clip on there's a there's a like 20 minute feature on the criterion then to your question you asked famously in the early days of podcasting

how how do you direct animation draw faster right yeah there's a really good like 20 minute but also better yes sort of like mini documentary of showing what directing animation is

and it's just kind of a compilation of reviews that stands doing he said basically that like as he

“puts it directing animation is you have to make a choice every three and a half minutes he's like”

I arrive every morning my assistant gives me what they call the dance card and it's here's everything you need to review today and the list is so long that basically on average every three and a half minutes you have to make a definitive choice about something whether it's approving a design thing or a sound thing or an actual shot giving a note you know deciding when a thing is finally finished or what needs to be adjusted or any of that and there's a really good clip of him in a

meeting with a lot of the story team the design team trying to figure out okay how are the robots going to work and much like finding Nemo where he said I really didn't want to enterprise the fish I wanted to find a way to make the fish expressive all sticking to basically the physiology of

“how a fish could actually move secret what if Jewish solved the answer right but for while he was like”

I don't want them to mirror our bodies that much I want to play with limitations right I think

That's fun right it's more interesting to me if their bodies can do a thing t...

and so Angus McLean who is a big part of this movie later directs light year which rewatching this I was like oh yeah the whole fucking design language of light years are apart from this movie it is what if was light year had wally designs even all the tech all the ships have the same kind of weird like rounded movie that's the origin story of the action figure I got early it's not a movie about the action figures but the real man that the action figures based on because in 1995 a young boy

“watched a movie and pretty sure we made a joke the same joke on Nemo so I think we'll just”

maybe have to do it every time there's a lot of light story in this series he has this great line where he's saying to Angus McLean he's like can I make the argument for giving him elbows right like Angus McLean's making this plea of like it's gonna make all of our lives easier if we can give him an elbow and Stanton goes I'd rather give you a wrist than an elbow and every one of the

room goes like huh and you watch him explain for the first time like it's coming to him like what

if his arms are like this what if they're small and they're out like this and his wrist can extend in this sort of way and that's now coming up with a language of movement that you couldn't do with a human being which is I think so much of what Stanton finds interesting in animation is like finding these midpoints between the language of live action film and the language of animation which is like how do you kind of shoot and cut a movie in quotes with what we understand from

live action but depict on screen things that we couldn't ever film and find the sort of midpoint between human behavior and what kind of characters are presented with while in and so many of the robot characters in this movie it is all in the eyes which are obviously a cheat for animation

“you know whenever they're trying to anthropomorphize something but I think is so resonant here because”

Wally is really kept alive not so much by solar power as he is by curiosity and wonder I mean this is what separates him from all the other Wally units that have been decommissioned it's that he gets off on discovering things about the world and that has sustained him for centuries. So Tanypin in this he the other sort of part of the lore this movie is he was at like a baseball game and he had like cheap binoculars to watch the game from the cheap seats and he got hyper fixated

on the hinge of the binoculars and how he was like oh if you tilt them down they look sad it's brilliant right and it's so clever which is the starting part of the design of this character obviously the trash plan and idea had existed but that kind of reactivated the like you could build entire character where that's the only face you have and there is the subtle thing and it's like part of the language the movie teaches you the pays off so effectively at the end when Wally

like comes back is oh all these robots are supposed to have a straight line for their eyes and nobody that's right when he turns personality or let's see goes back to it's the drawing yeah no no the droop is when he gets good again right right that's the moment where you're like oh my god our guy is back yeah our guy and he is our guy you've they've taught you this thing we're suddenly seeing the droop conveys so much to you in this classic like

Pixar teaches you a technology that is meaningless and by the end of the movie

“it can communicate a complicated thing in one movement I think that is sort of the defining”

thing that this movie is about is like it's not about artificial intelligence in a sort of designed we want to create artificial intelligence way it is this fascinating like what creates a personality what creates a soul if a robot lives long enough do like aberrations start to happen which is why it tracks so well into a different context of artificial intelligence which is as a criticism of something you couldn't anticipate necessarily which is AI right right we're being

a very obvious now in hindsight broadside against what would happen if we just delegate all of

our thinking and ability to automated systems which this movie is basically all the robots

you see in it aren't trying to comfort you by seeming human they are there to serve a specific function right this is just like what if a robot did your fucking make up and that's the one that needs to and look or impersonate a social interaction because that's part of the dynamic but otherwise it's just like what is the one thing this fucking robot needs to do and it doesn't need a face and it doesn't need a personality it's just going to serve this one job that we can like

clean up in some cases literally make the robot that cleans up all of the main robot characters in this movie are defined by a moment where you realize oh something has weirdly evolved in them where they now have a personality where they now take some specific pleasure in doing what they do

it is no longer programming there is some joy in this that is basically like a malfunction

but in that malfunction like feelings are developed so you start with like wally the sense of pride he takes in the garbage is that the reason that he is outlived all the other models

Sure yeah improbably right because like that's they're all the other models b...

we assume dead and you watch what interested you know whatever yes making architecture out of right he's doing ours yeah and as I'm saying that little gesture with the wrist is just like you see the satisfaction of like another clean wall but he loves to curate stuff he's got his lunch box yeah he lives in my apartment I get this guy I really get this yes I mean I don't have quite made that connection but right kind of hit me like a ton of bricks yeah because of course

“like wally right outside he's making towers out of bricks and you know that but that's what I”

consider podcasting he lives in what it's a garbage truck with the kind of like the rotating you know he's got the kind of a tie rack of garbage right like the curator right right and that was supposed to be the racks of all the other models of right and he hangs his favorite pieces you know that was one of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of ships that were just supposed to be levels of wallys all sleeping in little boxes he's the last one we see and just like such fucking like clean

quick visual storytelling of his tread start to wear out he needs to find other dead models you're

like this is how this one guy has survived he's basically been franking stinding him stealth

from his head before us like this isn't even the original wally at one point he just became yeah the hodgepodge of other wally but you're you're like right the other guys all burned out why is wally still here because wally wants to be alive why does he want to be alive because he likes doing this it's not just that he's programmed to do this he enjoys it and then in in his enjoyment and also the isolation of everything else around him and the mission becoming impossible you know

unending he starts to get obsessed with the other out but that tells with what Stan said which is you know irrational the theme of the movie for him that he would put on like a coffee cup so that everybody who was working with him could understand and every you know chain in the in the system what movie they were making is a rational love defeats life's programming and so it's like if take that to a literal place it's like his his love of this activity literally overpowers

you know the programming and and the obsolescence that's coded into his programming what that so I also think Stan is a guy who's like constantly wrestling between instincts of cynicism and

“sentimentality that I relate to very hard and I think his characters and his movies are usually”

about that wait until you see if you haven't already in the blink of an eye it will be seen where we have to do we have to legally the first episode you do where no one has seen the movie

legally we must but but yes that there's always this battle within him

between the the two I also just like love the idea that it's like he finds the pleasure in doing his job in stacking the garbage and then over time he's starting to like pay attention to the garbage and trade the garbage and study the garbage if not to overplay Stanton's religiosity which I think we were talking about mostly before we start recording but like his vestits Catholicism and whatnot that there is an issue of or an element of like stewardship over the earth and

there you could easily abstract while he's looking to the heavens as you know waiting for a time from God yeah I agree even fact you know too I think I'm down indeed they indeed even of course thought about the on the nose do we call him Adam or something but he just was like

“while he is the sad segment like I could that is the best thing you know like and he's very”

very smart of him I also said Steve Jobs is single biggest contribution was that the movie was original and called W. A. L. E. and he's like I don't like that name and then they were like like wallet and then it works exactly what Steve Jobs said like the rapper I think another contribution Steve Jobs made was his money yes and so do whatever the fucking I mean this is just like really it's it's a rare moment that that is very very short of just them feeling so empowered

and having so much money to play with that they can just do whatever the fucking they want and they're confident that it will have to be supported by whoever ends up releasing it but you you get the sort of like wally activating the video screens the sort of physical pop-up ads of the by and large deterioration this this one company a Walmart Costco S company has taken over all of the world our consumerism polluted everything we had to leave the robots supposed to

clean things up except it was too late they never fixed it and humans never came back it's interesting

that Fred Willard's character I mean maybe there is a distinction made and I'm just not remembering but he's the president of by a large but it also seems to exert the president of the United States and possibly the world yes but what I love as I feel like whenever you see his title in kairans it's like he hasn't actually become the president it's that being the CEO of B&L has maybe become

More important than being the president it is 100% yes it's just right it's l...

oligarchy whatever it is like what we became does the president not matter anymore do they

“actually not exist it's not that uh Walmart you know still Walmart's still important but like”

by and large feels Walmart coated I know it's obviously also Amazon or whatever but like and it that does feel of that moment I was there's stuff in this movie that is fascinating to watch now where you're like the culture has changed more than I thought yeah yeah where you're like the Walmart thing of like right in 2008 we all agreed with like is Walmart the most evil company and it's like going to kill us and you're like Walmart's so far down on the list now there is something

Walmart almost feels cute there is something quaint about this era of consumerist critique because we yeah the evils that have supplanted it and you stood on his shoulders are are so much more pronounced and you know existential but he also said like the environmental angle of this movie he was like this wasn't motivated by me feeling like the movie was a call to arms to shake people into action no right again that just doesn't seem to be his vibe but it's not a polemical no

but also like 17 18 years later I'm like I can't believe how much fucking worse this got and if I knew how little we were going to do to fight this issue I made people to make different choices but yet at the same time it's it's sort of central driving energy about humans needing to sort of regain control over their own faiths and not surrender to automation and and thoughtlessness and helplessness is as you know relevant as ever well that's the weird thing in the movie that

simultaneously feels like quaint and still pressure it to me at the same time which is the greatest concern being apathy right like people just don't want to fucking care they don't want to think

“there's just like a complacency which I think right now in America are one of our biggest issues”

if not our single biggest issue is that has basically been replaced with an overriding anger

there is like a rage that is fueling everything in all directions where the sense of being this passive is a little hard to imagine and yet we are on the scary precipice of our people going to start opting out of having to do shit in order to have everything automated for them that's fine it does but I think you know the movie sort of indulges in the sort of AI proponent fantasy of oh like when we have a lot of motivation no one's gonna have to work or all this could be

on the vacation but then you're like what is life we've already seen that that is not at all the real no and it is wild to watch it now and it's like there's like net worky elements of this where you're like oh this doesn't even read a satire anymore but the idea that they're like buy the pool and everyone's just looking at their screens and not going in they don't even know the pools there right I'm just like that felt really like exaggerated in 2008 when smartphones have

barely existed for two years and now they're just like yeah of course the fucking traffic jams of no one looking where they're going because they're all just watching the screens you're like right I get the the heightening here is the hover chair but the relationship to the screen does not feel heightened and at the time it felt silly worlds good world is good while he is good while he has one friend cockroach his name is hell garacha what's his name how because of how

will roach funny it's a fun show uh let me you know I'm not laughing I'll wow you'll get you went and you smile you got me made a listener note that as you already mentioned stance and says they watched a keyton in the chapel in every single day they were very you know the like interested in like pantomime conveying everything right like how like can we make a movie where you turn the sound off and know what's going on the kind of Chuck Jones well the right there's

uh axiom of course also there's a true challenge of like let's actually test our fucking bones as animators to see if we can tell a story through movement and when you remove the kind of recognizable autonomy of a human body then how do you convey these things what I'm talking about if him not wanting to do the cheats of giving them normal human movements and whatever and then he's also like by doing that you also test every other department more if you're not going to have

words even though we wrote those words into the script and I'm asking the music to convey those things I'm asking the camera to convey those things I'm asking color to convey those things Ralph Engelston who was one of like the early early Pixar guys and is the production designer most of

“their movies and was part of that call art's group um he passed away 2022 I believe very tragically”

okay uh what was it what being a Ralph Engelston and the the criterion uh release has a really nice

feature that's basically like a ulogy for him but also explaining how important he was I brought this

up a little bit in the final email episode but the thing of the color scripts where they do

What kind of visual script of the movie based on the color palette of every s...

can chart the tonality of like what you want to convey through mood in color you didn't need to do

one of those for John Carter it's a it's a lot of red um but Stanton said and I never heard it

put this cleanly before he's like it it seems a little indulgent to people on the outside but in animation it is not a standard thing uh Engelston basically made it a new thing because he was such a student of production design that he found out that William Cameron Menzy's did these are his side of the movie so like they're crazy forties British you know like things to come and all super kind of like it's actually it's got made yeah right and would think about like

what are you conveying in color from setup to setup and Engelston was like this was a cool thing and those movies look really cool we should try to bring this back and everyone thought it seemed a little indulgent and when he did it he was like right animation is so piecemeal that you don't actually see the final version of everything until the last moment you're not getting like location scouting you're not shooting things and being able to recognize like the color temperature in

front of the lens at the time it takes so long to add color and lighting all of that to have that as like a guiding force at the beginning to know you're working towards uh really helps one thing I want to know uh in here um that we haven't mentioned but it's not something I ever thought about

because I don't like I've never seen this movie a lot of people noted that like possibly accidentally

while he does look like Johnny five who is short-circuit one of Ben's best friends he is one of my best friends again though I'm short circuit to having revisited it on just a mischievous and a pursuit of flop how it solves racism oh no it was something that I didn't pick up on as a

“young kid I think that's what's in a dull series I was like quite shocked what's this here”

yeah this is your Steven's looks in my neighborhood and every time I see him at a coffee shop I'm just like immediately short circuit human bomb I feel so bad for me he's done so much work uh you're right though I've never thought about that but they're very similar it's the eyes and and sort of on the long neck right I found that infuriating as a talking point at the time it was a little mini version of the avatars literally just for an gully thing

where I'm like the fucking the come on like there's a thousand other things going on in this movie

I agree um so wally but Johnny five in a set sure he never did anything wait I'm seeing the

twenty five here was it a adjacent no you basically wait what was he on January six he's trying to get up the stairs at the capital don't even he's like falling over I don't know funny mistake yeah it's a sight to me next to JJ Johnston next to JJ Johnston all right um you you basically see one day of his right and the little you see a normal day and then you see the weird day it's a perfect way to do it I feel like yeah yeah he if comes in at like minute thirteen I mean it's it's

“so efficient while you you feel like you've spent a lot of fucking time with him I think a lot of”

that is the silence makes all those moments really you lean in and they matter more but yes I'm going back home the the organization of where do I put the sport and all the sort of stuff the understanding of the level of feeling and thought he's putting into everything and then his nightly ritual of like the iPod video playing the the hellow dolly sequence that he obsessively watches over and over again I think it is such a beautiful simplistic boiling down of

like if there are robots and they like don't have any biological drive to procreate and it doesn't know that they would like need romance yeah that he's recognizing something of like what is being expressed in the statement of holding someone's hand as a show of intimacy or having companionship it it's such a nice like you know God gave him hands for a reason so good um I mean are they hands like it's their kind of like loaders or they're part of his sort of you know his

cubing power you also said that basically in the time that they were developing this movie the iPod video got introduced and he asked jobs for permission can I put this in the movie when it was a brand new thing who among us did not watch the first episode of battle start galactica on an iPad classic iPod classic on a flight well screen that is like one inch

“I was watching lost on those on the phone I remember lost was kind of like the first show where”

they were like like yeah iTunes video like you know nine cents an episode yeah yeah I was I mean I watched an on broadcast and then when an episode was good I'd be like purchased rewatches school but he asked jobs permission because it was such a new device and he was like I bet by the time this movie comes out it's already antiquated technology and he was like sure enough like iPhone comes out a year before this movie comes out replaces the iPod video it already was while he has

an antique yeah here's the thing about Eve then Griffin I feel like you can relate to this

Along with me which is that I don't know if there is a better evocation in fi...

otherwise of what it feels like to be a neurotic teenage boy and have an intense crush on something

this is what this is where I'm saying I'm not getting this hate for better for worse this was the primary concern of my life when I was 20 years old like you're odd by the girls you like just terrified of that talk to them they're involved in things that are so far above your station until I have a crush on someone and then I show them green plants and they go catatonic I mean since you had to like deal with even a little later in my life the versions of this were

we'd be at a bar and I'd be like I don't even know what how would how would I start a set you once instead of talking to a woman who I think may have been interested in you can't remember these this specific may of course the tragic irony was they often work and I would fuck it off that boy shit drew a picture I wish I could find it let me see if I could find it

“of just a sad little guy oh I remember that Jesus Christ you do remember that this was not”

videology oh it's the girl you met up at theology drew a picture no no grip was just instead of like you know being a person who talks to a person he was just instead drew a weird little picture you can't see no like no no you can't see no we clarify the story just gave it to you look at the videology trivia and for like 10 consecutive weeks I turned a day of and I'd be like I have such a crush on that girl I cannot speak to yeah and they would be like go talk to her I'd be like

I don't know how to do that and it was one night where David was trying to like height me up to be like just like walk over and say something about trivia and instead I drew a sad face you're missing out 'cause you know it's great then when they're mean to you well you're like oh well that's and I love it while we learn sometimes they have fully loaded cannons for all yeah they lay up giant shit no I do think this movie is one of the greatest depictions of that and I love

the Buster Keaton movie is that lean romantic because they weaponize a similar dynamic except the differences the Buster Keaton often seems kind of oblivious right that he's love struck and then it's just sort of like him chasing after and he doesn't realize how much the world is trying to stop him whereas Wally is like smitten and also terrifying it's like yeah the combination of of being

smitten being terrified and uh being there was the third thing and then you sort of just took

“the word that my mouth but anyway um odd odd is the other thing I think completes the”

it is maybe my single favorite moment in the movie and speak so whatever I was saying earlier he sees the red dot he's chasing it you realize the ship is landing right he's hiding behind the rock he sees her come out everything is very kind of routine right the arm comes out it unleashes her she activates the her design is still so fucking cool where it's like seamless unibody thing and then the head and arms can float off to the sides and the hands the arms

can turn into fingers if need be and all that sort of shit. I found a picture of Wilder I'm so far back in my photos right now that's Wilder. Allen smitten. Allen's something. Yeah. What happened? Wilder. I know he was already NASA. This is 2015 so he's probably like I think he was like one or two who's like two maybe two. Yeah that came to my mind. If you're trying to find the trivia drawing that would be like 20 I know I know I went too far. Yes um I went too far. I think my favorite

moment in the entire film is like Eve is there she's like locked in on her mission the ship starts to leave and you see her kind of clocking once she's out of the view and then it's like she takes a breath and has just the joy flight and it's that moment of oh shit she's like him for some reason she's a little different she finds joy in doing things she is doing things for her own satisfaction and if he

wasn't already going to be smitten just by like the I never seen a fucking robot like that there's

a personality there and as much as she then tries to immediately cover it and be like I am all business it is every robot we meet with a primary character it's the same thing with Mo when we get to Mo and he makes the decision to jump off the line because he loves cleaning so much. I love

“he do that's his art that's how he you know whatever finds joy. Every one of those activation”

moments is so satisfying to me. Is Mo driven by joy? Here it is Mo driven by the hand found it. This is the drawing Griffin made rather than flirt with a girl. Let me think. Okay well make sure to post that. I don't know what to say. What does he say in his number three? I've no idea. The fuck was on. Joe might be like you're not even number two you're number three yeah I don't quite mean I could be a kid cutty reference. I don't think it was. Who can she let you kiss the rappers. Yeah

yeah yeah oh no but it would have predated that. I think it predates. Yeah well we'll post it on the Instagram but yes while he's just like chasing after her and then there's the moment where if he she hears him exhale and then just immediately fucking like turbo cannons him.

Love it when she turbo cannons him hottest part.

Gosh just imagine dating an egg robot with an arm cannon pretty cool obviously she's got a cold shower into the back of electric too. She's indirectly inspired by Apple products but obviously she's also kind of like a nesting doll design like she's got the sort of matrioshka sheep

“the egg. This is from Angus McLean. Who that is that the guy who the Presto guy?”

No that which one is he am I wrong in thinking no Presto wasn't Teddy Newton is Presto Teddy Newton? Let's find out Presto film because I remember like that that director Doug Sweetland.

Oh Doug Sweetland me always being like when's he making a movie and then he ended up making

Storks you know he left I never saw Storks. Storks is in Nicholas Stoler. He wrote it. He wrote it. Did he co-direct it with Sweetlander? He might have only director. He might have was that era where they kept snuck. They were like we only let an animation guy co-direct a movie with a live action guy or a comic. It's correct. It's to both of them. Angus McLean is the guy who co-directed finding Dory and then directed light ear. What year was Storks 2016?

Storks great like in my come to Jesus after my come to Jesus moment of recognizing that

“forgetting Sarah Marshall is the greatest of all or culture of the last 100 years and being like”

I will see literally anything Nicholas Stoler makes next. He's like I'm directing a movie

about Storks playing babies and I was like I guess there's a line somewhere. That movie never said.

I found to be a bit of a rough hand. Doug Sweetland is like an incredible character animator and especially incredible animated comedy, physical comedy and has is responsible for it. That's right Presto, so funny all of this. Yeah, it's high drinks. But like a lot of the best Pixar physical comedy moments. I feel like the one that's always pointed at is body acting out in Toy Story 2 when they're like playing what he's round up and he comes out of the box and is like being all hot

shit. Angus McLean and Doug Sweetland felt like the two guys were was like when are they going to let them make a movie and they let Doug Sweetland get away. Right and then Angus makes like you're which is worse than making a movie. It's so bizarre. It's like making a negative movie. But he did Bernie which was the short that accompanied this. Oh yeah. Really good. Yeah, that's fun. And he did Toy Story of Terror. Jesse finds a way. That was actually one of those early Pixar

movies. You might like them. And yeah, it's what a blind spot for me. I'm just reading out the doc anyway. Jesse does find a way to quote Angus McLean. She looks dangly. He's she looks dangly and when chiming when she's in a tabletom mode when she gets emotional. She does more arcs like a porpoise flying around. Yeah. Well that's when this moment of joy where she just kind of flies around like a flicking flower. They loved the cockroach idea. Also just like that's a fun

challenge like making a cockroach cute. Yeah. It doesn't have a face. It does never face.

So one one other note on production design. Act one is all romantic and emotional lighting. And then act two. They say act one and act two. Your right that the movie is really in thirds. But I guess they basically mean like planet than spaceship. Act two is like gets to know the axiom act three is like the uprising. Yes. But they know act to essentially be axiom is sterility order. It's when it goes from being buster keyton to Jacques de T. Right. Right. But you're

there. Yes. Sorry. They try to make the lighting more romantic as act two goes on. Like you know they try to sort of soften it as as you know if you personality enters. Well the movie starts out really washed out. Then you start to get some warmth when Eve enters. I think the most beautiful sequence in the movie is when there's like the big dust storm and he brings Eve inside. And the way Eve reacts to the darkness of the room where she's like glowing. And you see the weird ring of like fluorescence

“inside of her neck. And also the reflections of the Christmas lights and everything. And you have to”

think fish, which is between this and the sopranos is having a huge cultural moment. Billy Bass was one of our greatest. But yeah, she basically almost accidentally shoots him. And then it's just like I the fuck are you. And then you get your sequence, the lithium rows of him just kind of like following after trying to get her attention. Who among us hasn't had a conversation with? She's just like I'm working. I do feel like it's important to point out though that Eve comes in to contact with how

almost shoots out the cockroach. But instead she likes him. She likes him. And they both Wally and Eve get tickled by the cockroach. This is really sweet. But it's showing that she's kind. Right. Right. But that happens before she meets Wally. It's like Wally making such an advanced overture to her. She's like, no, get away. I'm working. She wishes almost he hadn't seen her be nice to have. Maybe he wants to put on the face of all this. Maybe the best shot in the movie is

After she's exploded all of the oil tankers, shot from behind of Wally and Si...

just sort of saddling up slowly. But yeah. But also that recognizes that's the moment where it's like,

oh, she's shown like emotion in being so frustrated that she caused this much damage that she had her fucking Adam Driver punching the wall moment. It's also so funny to see her and it's like, it's like they convey physical tension in her body even though that shouldn't be possible as she's watching the ship's burn. And she's just sort of like her eyes narrowing like wanting the catharsis of watching something be diseased. When she when her eye go grumpy mode. The

eyes are so grand. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But he he senses the opening of like, okay, we can just exchange names. We're cooking. Right. Right. And she's traumatized by the fact that he can't say it. Uh, whoa. It's a little funny. He brings her into his home. She loves his collection. It's possible.

“And that's what she loves. And then she's showing showing the one object that is going to”

so blow her mind. Right. That she's also saying well, that's that's right. You show her a boot with plant in it and she goes unconscious. But all of those gags of of handing her the light bulb and then getting so kind of like frustrated that he can't turn it off. I like we're fixing the rubies too. I like when she laughs when she goes like, yeah, whatever. Yeah. The pop in the bubble wrap like she's

finally just totally let her guard down and is as fascinated by every object he shows her, but also

able to solve them so much faster. We also see him turn into a cube. Oh, you mean when he goes in the like sleep mode? Yeah. Yeah. And we know that things are charged by the sun. I think it's just awesome design. Yeah. That he not only makes cubes, but is a cube. Yeah. Which like, this is a classic

“Pixar logic thing. Stan is always the first to point out. It makes no physical sense. If you keep”

seeing the way his stomach opens up to be able to compress the trash, there's no space that his body could actually suck into. Sure. And it's a big bite now that can like fold on top of themselves, man. And anything's possible. They they communicate it to you and movement so much that you're like, I just understand what you're asking me to accept. But yes, he's stronger all the objects. He's trying to show her hella dolly. She doesn't give a shit. She can't even like pay attention to it. And then he makes

them steak of showing her of course, plant and boot. Do you think that if he had shown her is he with Walter Mathau, she would have been a lot more locked in? Spell in this comes like a major move. Okay. I now understand. He did like all genres. He'd be like there were romantic comedians. Mathau. I can't believe it. I know it's the best price. Wow, get with your

foyer in the third stage. A couple of years after the high school. I don't think I want to live that life.

Stream up to the 13th April, parallel to the U.S. start, really a new episode. That's a problem. I'm going to start with the toyfish list. Give this a chance to meet me. I'm watching a clip. I'm watching the movie here. He makes a little Eve statue. And she is unimpressed. And then he kicks a bunch of metal pipes. It falls along. And it's a little little trance. It's like flip up. It's adorable. It's very childlike. Even as he's sort of transitioning

into an almost parental mode. We see him in a parental mode with the cockroach. But I don't know if you've ever seen your child like fall off a better or something. It's like you're so concerned for them. But immediately it's very funny visual. I don't know. Yes, it also helps that we're here just like this guy, his center of gravity is so often. It's build a so awkward that doing anything other than rolling on a flat surface. You're just like, I don't know if he's going to make it.

But there's also, I mean, I don't know how deep we need to go into the imagine lore of by and large. But some practical applications towards designing him to be cute on the company's behalf. Yeah, because they don't want these things to be threatened. Right. Versus the robots on the axiom are less cute because people aren't even really paying attention. Right. They're all in the

“bowels of the ship. Do we think there's a flaw in the use design? No offense to my perfect queen?”

Go on. The one boot with one plant is enough to turn around like a ship with 600,000 people on it feel like, well, Earth seems ready because like, I'm looking at Earth. They're like ready, ready. Sure. We might want to wait for like a tree or two. But that's a century to go. I'm programming setting. It's just funny that

She's like, wow, you know, there's one plant, baby.

her job perfectly. That's maybe a flaw. He's not criticizing the work she's doing. You also have to imagine that their thought is, we'll put everyone on a starliner for five to ten years maximum

and if we see the first sign of vegetation, that means, oh, it's coming back. It's ready to go back

there. They didn't know that the world was going to come back. Fucking awful. And the idea of this one boot making it would be so against the off. They knew what if there is a guy on the axiom,

“resent us. They knew and they did nothing. Right. Ruffalo, resent us. Five. So yeah, what else happened?”

Now she's the opening. He's going to come on mode. Yeah. And while he's still trying to like, you have the the Thomas Newman kind of music while he doing date nights with coma Eve. Oh, we got to call out. He dances for her. He does the little. It's so sweet. And he had picked up the trash lid and it pays off. He's like, coughing his hat. He's a cool guy. The top hat. I also love them. Then she tries to dance and she fucking shakes the whole thing and smashes him into the wall.

She's a clomper dude. It is so funny that would write when she like Hulk Loki's him. Right. I also love the moment of him. Forget how he interests the eye in the first place. And I can't remember, but when he gets the new. But when he has to replace the eye and he's so embarrassed that she's like seeing him naked, having to plug the eye back in. But it also teaches you like what it's going to look like when he's recalibrating. Oh, it's when he falls. I'm watching here. It's

after the day. Yes, slabs, slams him into the wall. He falls down and breaks one of his eyes. There's a lot of very clever. Some more overt seed planting there and thinking particularly like the fire extinguisher and things that are just in front. Even when they introduce the boat, the boot. It's not even the focus of it. It's like a half second throw away. It's part of his collection. Yeah, so I don't give it any special emphasis. No, he puts it in the fucking eggly cooler, but it doesn't get any more attention in the

“bra. It gets less attention in the bra. I mean, the bra kills. Yeah. That's why. Because while he's rocking”

double the eyes, what about the um, the lighter? Ben, there's like two robots. And on this, you know, abandon planet and they're looking at the original source of like energy. Yeah, it's very, yeah. But the other thing, Ben is in the version of the movie where Wally has to save Eve and she is the one who gets crushed and he's carrying her for the last 20 minutes. There was some checkups gone of the lighter being the way they reactivated her. It's why they put a lot of emphasis on it at the beginning.

God. It's still a nice moment. Yeah. Which is why I'm sure they kept it in. But it was supposed to be in some way he replaces her battery with the lighter. It's also a machine using machine. It places him like a even more integrated machine to sort of place the same in this continuum where you understand him as a relic, but also as a product of the future. And it's a machine with a natural force inside of it. You know, it's like organic versus. I mean, it's a machine that can create

an element, which is so crucial just as he, you know, metal box can feel love. It's, you know,

yeah, and analog. Right. He's got a flame inside of him. A question that made me that I'd that made a question that I had watching the first 30 minutes this movie again was if Disney would ever dare make a live action adaptation of the Pixar movie or if it is a tribute to the nettle quality of Pixar's better films that they can't be conceived of in live action in a way that

“Malena can. Yeah. I have that thought watching this of like, are they ever going to dare to do this?”

And it's like, what would it be? You know, like, it's the line between this and doing a more modern. It basically becomes just like a fucking PS5 rebuild of a PS2 game. Right. Like, why bother? I mean, right, which what is now the disturbing thought experiment of like, what is the most live actionable up? Uh, it's up. Upper Incredibles. Yeah. I, I have gotten the sense. And I say this

with no inside track, but the, the vibe I've always gotten is that Pixar retains the right to say

no to that shit. And it feels like they have to exercise every morning at night. Yeah, when they get the daily email. Yeah. Exercising is fully. I mean, this is the other phase. Moana one here is no great. It's, it's no surprise that like Disney inherits this batch of films in acquiring Pixar and igers like great. We're going to put our full muscle behind them. We will try to make all of these movies hits. Fucking Toy Story 3 is next, right? Like the sequel runs starts right after this.

Yeah. Yeah. It was like, we'll treat these movies as precious gems, but you've got to start fucking playing ball with us. Well, up is right after this. Then Toy Story. But up is the last

After three songs are quiet.

now. It is like the, the ratty we wally up Toy Story 3 is bridge. I'm movie. I like although not as much

“as some. And then cars to brave monsters you. Like, it's a crazy down ship. Yes. Like crazy. Yeah.”

It's, you got to play ball now because we're fans of course, too. I've never seen. I have been working

on this theory. And I rewatched the film recently. Did you know. And so I did. I truly did. You know Michael Caines in it. It's based on, sure, he plays fan McMessau. Well, truth is in truth and comedy. Please fan McMessau, who's at my sex car. His sidekick of course is Holy Shift. Well, that makes me uncomfortable. I was watching Cars 2. And I was like, you know, this really isn't as good as Cars 1. And Cars 3, which I've never loved, has at least more integrity. Now, how do they all

stack up against playing one? I was thinking that planes fire and rescue makes planes look like Cars 2. And Cars 2. Good. It's your complicated. Might make Cars 3 look like Cars 1. The only Pixar movies I have not seen are Cars 2 and 3. You seen an onward? Yeah, like onward. Yeah, onward, it's good. I've seen a onward time. You know the only two people I've ever met. Yeah, some multiple times on the steel book. I can't say. I don't know if it's steel. Nice.

Big fan of that. The denim jacket with all the patches on it. Yeah, because I've seen, yeah, I've seen everything else. Yeah. The ones that I've seen a lot is disturbing because of my daughter. So like, well, it's not disturbing that I've seen Luca like 25 times, because I like Luca, good dinosaur is disturbing. When you told me she was going through a good dinosaur phase. That was a pretty brief phase, but it did exist. But like the turning red phase was so great. The

Ratatouille phase amazing. Walleen great. Luca, that's a good movie. Like it's not my favorite. It's a simple movie. It's really easy to have on. Yes. I love it though. I feel like you've been around on Luca.

I've always been a fan of Luca, but yeah, I feel like your son had a phase where you were happy.

“I think because it pushes against what we were talking about earlier, but like the”

capitalistic fumes around. Yeah, it's fun and full bit more. It feels like pointedly small. It sure does. Although I wanted to, you know, we were badmouthing with good reason the good dinosaur, but a shout out to Peter's own. I have definitely had a Stockholm syndrome like experience with elemental, which was the first movie I ever took yesterday, Peter's did not click at the time, but can I call this out? Yeah. I mean, put him on blast. I believe it was in

our windrises episode. Yeah. I mean, I wasn't here for that. Were you at the castle windrises? I mean, it's only. No, I was here for castle. Not the castle. If I can house movie guests. All right. Good up. Right. That's the one where I announced Matrix Resurrection. Yes. I can't remember if it was that. Or greater that they let you make that announcement to the world of all people, but you did it well. I mean, I was a big fan.

There's some episode that people have invoked, where you say, I will not let my son watch Western animation. This is a classic, uh, sort of like a somewhere. It's like the one, the one thing I, I don't know, like this child will not be loved. I would not be provided for, but they will, they will not see any sort of CGI Western animation. You wouldn't show your kid, uh, deeply movies. You were a frayty wouldn't like to turn out. You've made the turns out that

you're mentally ill. I'm sorry. He's a type free to throw them all up to me. Okay. So this is the reality of raising a child. Yeah. It's very different than that. No. It's a weird reality. My friend. Two years old, I was like, son, this is an Apple TV remote. That is the bed where I'm asleep in the morning. Use this to watch whatever the fuck you want as long as you're not waking that you're so confident that you were going to hold the line of artistic purity. And then you're

like, I'm obsessed with Italian. He got good taste. And a lot of just many good things. I have watched your son watch YouTube videos of 10 wordls being solved. Yeah. So I also have this competing instinctive media, which is like, I cannot be that parent who voice the coolest kids don't want to be the onion art child. Exactly. So I was like that. It means more to me that you come to my favorite movies organically and like them on your own terms. And I'll show them to you, you know,

selectively when the time is right, but I'm not going to shove them down your throat. I'm going to let you reach these places on your own. Elemental was what was playing. I wanted to take it to him. He came back around an elemental in a huge fucking way. And he really, my daughter did have a moment. I just want to call out a very distant conversation. I remember having with you,

which was, I feel like I'm almost ready to take a city to see a movie, but his first movie needs

“to matter. And I was like, Elemental. What matters more than Elemental. And you looked at me and said,”

"My son's first movie is not going to be a Pete's son." Wow. And then like six weeks later,

You were like, took a sort of elemental.

was woke up. It was the Sunday afternoon. It was raining. And those are dark times for a parent. I love seeing you. Listen, New York City's own Pete's own respect. But I also took your son to, you took him to toro because I could not, you were like, I could sit there and watch him potentially not like it. Ben, so illness. Well, it was the same screen that you took. I was like, I'm having, I'm computing with my head in the way for you. And I took

that like son. And you were like, if he doesn't like it, just don't tell me. I mean, my daughter, but like the difference between my daughter, it seemed to have like 20 times.

So it was one of her first movies. And my, my daughter, who is a lot more

pliable and responsive to, you know, the issue you could leave it all is obsessed with. And turn me on to really converted me to the power of Ponyo, uh, which she now wants to watch you through that or total. That was my daughter's first. Yeah, right. Ponyo, but toro was like, you're second. But yeah, dude. And elemental has some child. Yeah. Great music. I was really struggled to locate the charm of elemental and I've seen it. It has some weight

as a little bit of a nuisance, but it's the main character. Yeah. But I like, I like when

“Embers speaks Irish, um, I think all of it, I like the music and elements driving on their”

favorite road. Do you own that film? Elemental. Yeah. I do not ban it. It's actually a really good question. Thank you. I know it. I was, but uh, because Disney sent me a free copy. Okay. I was maintained. I do have a blue. I was maintaining not even a 4K. No, they sent me a blue and I was like, I'll put it on the shelf. They were like, do you care about the case on this one? Uh, I was

maintaining a, oh, never picked our film. And even in the pandemic, I like broke down and bought

3D blue rays of good dinosaur. And maybe cars too. Another one I like didn't like. And elemental was the bummer. I was like, I don't need to own this in any form. Thank God. I'm truly relieved. Now, who knows, two months from now, I might hit a rough patch and start trolling eBay for the elemental seal book. But as of this moment, I own elemental in no form. I don't even know they're right now. My daughter's first movie in theaters will by no means be minions, monsters,

and minions. Well, he's way, he's right now. That's guaranteed. That's exactly what it's going to be. Many of the monsters I've seen the trailer for at every movie I've taken. And I'm always

“like, and I think it's time for me to catch up with the minions bounce off of me. I have never”

gotten it without any statement. But I see that trailer. And I'm like, do I got to do the fucking deep cut? It is a little galaxy brain to be like the minions, obviously, love early, like sword and sandals, and of course. I think that's fine. That's great. Is this their like walley moment? You know, where Pierre coffins like, I've made you so much fucking money. Right. I want to make my passion projects. Right. Yeah. I can use the minions to express my interests

in the, in the birth of cinnamon. I feel like nobody liked the second minions, right? Rise of

grew. That was the one I feel like really past, you know? That's the only one I've ever seen. But you could slap the word minions on anything, and you would mint a hit. You could have the minions minions and mosquito coasts. Yeah. You're the epicenter show that most recently aired. And that thing would print money. Minions and solo. It's wild. Maybe monsters and minions will have a shout out to a solo that doesn't really fit into the sky. But why not? Yeah. Minions

but we need that. Three could be entirely solo dependent. I feel like that would fit very very quickly. That's another one. I'm just sorry. I don't get the fucking thing. Okay. So they

“get to the axiom. I think we need to get to the axiom now. Right. He's just trying to take”

care of her, right? As she is now in firm basically and shut down and told her ship returns to retrieve her. And while they're out in the elements, he's getting struck by light and he's even rained on. Yeah. But he's then covering her up with the carbon. Yeah. He's really sweet. And but her ship comes and he has to make a split second decision, which is like, I'm going to grab onto the back of a fucking spaceship, because I don't want to lose her and I don't know

where she's got him. Telling the cockroach to stay put where it is is as anthropomorphized as I think while he ever gets. Yes. And now two hours since the episode, we've hit the 30 minute mark, which is when he blast off into space. Yes. And you have the beautiful sort of five minute sequence of him seeing the solar system touching the rings of Saturn. Just beautiful shit. We argued in the finding emo episode that that's Thomas Newman's best score. And I think it's the best like

use of the Thomas Newman thing. No Thomas Newman. The great Tom Newman and who recently died. I think finding the most the best version of what Thomas Newman does really well. I was surprised rewatching this how different it is for most of his work. It has the strains of the motifs,

I think partially because the movie is putting so much more weight on the sco...

it has like five different tonalities that switches in between. And it feels like this sequence where it's, you know, the kind of like magical beauty of the stars is when Newman goes into Newman mode for the first time. And they're flying too close to all of these planets. Say yes. But he lands at the axiom, which is a luxury star liner where babies just do baby shit. And he meets the

main character of the film. Mo. Mo is incredible. And I feel like Mo had largely kind of been

“hidden from the marketing. I think they hit a lot of the axiom stuff. They really frontloaded.”

Yeah, they did because I remember everyone being so focused on this movie and being like, and if you watch the trailer, it does look like it's not all on the planet. There's one shot of the captain in the trailer. Right. Yeah. But no one was really prepared for any of that, which I think might have been also part of why it did bounce off some people. Like some people did bounce off it a little bit. I also think, I mean, I compare it to like shit like full metal jacket, right,

where it's like often while he is compared to full metal jacket. Yeah. It doesn't feel like you had a lot of people being like wally sucks. No, but first act. You had a lot of people who were like

the first act is stuck within the normie take amongst my friends. Right. First act. Incredible.

Second act is fine. It goes from being like right. Perfect. Yes. To being really good. I have always like the purity of it is it's just astonishing where you're like, I can't believe they're getting away with this and it's more agree. And I think it's all good. I love the first act that I think it's so special. But I think the movie needs everything that happens. I, the sci-fi kind of dork that I am, just love the axiom. And I love all of the kind of like kids version of

rebelling against, you know, the ship computer. Like it's just like it's classic sci-fi storytelling that I respond to. I think it's so well done. I also and I like that it's goofy first. Like yes, like that it is like a mad story. That's where you feel the rear end to of like bringing in a Simpsons. And obviously, the just the picks are, you know, the answers in Casabin of that. And of course, I also, I really like the captain. There are so many two versions of this where you're like,

this is the cop out that we finally introduce a character who can speak all the subtext and explain

everything directly to camera. But I think the arc of the captain is really well rendered. And I completely agree. The captain could have used a wife who kept telling Wally to get the fuck out of her house. That really would have that in bossy face. Well, that auto is kind of his work twice. Yeah. Auto the true villain of the character. Right. There's Captain McCray, Jeff Garland's character who does an he's only called the captain really. But who is not a villain right? And then

auto voiced by his mac and speaking mac and speaking mac and speaking mac and talk. It is voiced by credited in the uncredited mac and talk mac and talk. It's called mac and talk right, which was that that era's talk to feel. When is it written that the antagonist of the film is the only one not to have any sort of trace of human right? Like Ben Burke didn't do that. They just typed words down to a computer and that's the mac voice. The portal is the year before. Right. The portal connection

“is strong. But I think it's parallel. It's parallel, right? Like it's not. But I remember at the time”

portal obviously the greatest video game I've ever made equal to only by portal two. Like not not being able to shake that that comparison. Yeah. I mean obviously glados. Obviously auto is a lot more how visually coded. I mean the red eye the center is kind of dominant. But yeah, I mean I think it was like the mac aesthetic combined with evil super intelligence gives you glados slash auto. But I just want to talk about Mo. I married Mo, as I alluded to earlier in this episode.

Can you speak on that? Yeah. I'm trying to in that sort of pause figure out how best to do that. You're a wife of lovely human being one of my favorite people. Well, I don't project what you're saying. You're like as derogatory, but I need you to unpack it. So the audience on one of my first any time your wife texts me like, you know, are you going to the screening tonight? Like, you know, David's out and I'm like, no, divorce him. Just to me, I'm just like divorce.

It's like I don't a can. I'm like divorce. If she could carry our children up to our forefloor walk up. Yeah. But I am definitely the every relationship needs a walley and a Mo. And even sort of off in her own land. She's the other woman, as far as I've been certain. But yeah, my I on one of our first dates, I drew similar to how Griffin drew a sad version of himself at a

“bar. I drew a crude, maybe the best thing I've ever drawn as someone to know or to stick down with”

whatever, a little character of Mo on her legs and on both across both like that. And the ballpoint pen I turned up pretty well. A lot of responses. Um, what is she, she identified this movie as a shared

Point?

after all. Yeah. I mean, we, we knew each other since college, but we didn't start dating Toka drunk one night as happens. Um, but the, um, yeah, she is very compulsive towards cleaning. And I am more of a while he type in that I like arranging and collecting things that other people might think of his trash. I did appreciate there's a thing on the criteria desk where the stand calls out that he is an obsessive physical media collector. And it's like the balance between

being like, I buy these things that give me comfort. They make me happy. I want to be in a room

surrounded by all the things I care about. It doesn't actually solve anything. I'm not critical of

Wally's compulsion. Right. Of course. And I, but I wonder about Mo, and you know, it's sort of the classic one must imagine. Sisyphus happy sort of thing. Like you see, delighted or she delighted. I mean, the robots are aggressively coded in this movie, Mo not so much, but aggressively gendered. I would say, um, but uh, is Mo happy to have the excuse to pop out of letting clean something or is Mo more irritated. This is a question. I'm often asking in couples therapy with my beautiful. But, uh,

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and Wally enters the ecosystem covered in dirt and creates a new-- But does this give Moa a purpose that Moa has never had before, justify Moa's life? And therefore, should Moa not be pleased to have the opportunity to clean up after-- I bet that's a great question.

“I think similar-- when I was saying what defines Moa”

and makes him similar to Wally and Eve is that he takes pleasure on what he does. And you said, is it pleasure? Is it like obsessive compulsive? There is an argument that Moa is like mentally ill,

rather than driven by joy. But it still is an aberration that gives him a personality. I feel like we're broaching territory that I no longer fair to discuss without my wife, press me, sure.

I don't think it's fully of Moa. I speak not of your lovely-- Yes, anyway, I will say that the dynamic between Wally and Moa is, I think, a very complicated and familiar one to me. Yes.

And I love Moa very much. Moa is so funny. Everything about him, his intensity. Yes, very intense mindedness. I mean, he's earlier on a journey

that Wally is far along on and Eve and Eve is a little further along on, right? We're watching just the beginning spark of-- Yeah, you know what? Maybe that's the question is like, Wally and Eve

when they start deviating, is it at first out of an obsession

that then they let turn into a joy? Very Marie condo. Yes, but Wally has-- for hundreds of years, we've soon been iterating and thus getting weirder and weirder.

This is most first moment of activation. And then the other droids we end up seeing the kind of like--

“I think I'm with a car and contaminant--”

Yes, but the sort of like reject bots. Are all like they've had their first kind of-- In the diagnostic bay? Right, right, aberrant behavior. That is maybe the activation of something--

I'm just watching a movie on now. It's just so fun. He's so disgusted by Wally, Wally, so filthy. I think most of them got even just within the Pixar canon and the characters that are like off-decent folks.

Mo was in line to replace Tim Cook it out. Yes, I think he was one of the three. I think he should have-- I think there's a lot of politics.

You know, Mo doesn't always, he's tough to be personality.

I like that the way he says his name has all this wind up to it. Like Wally, it's ever-- Like Wally, and like you can get out quickly. And Mo, it's-- M-- M-- M-- M-- he's just-- He should just want to clean so bad.

That's all he wanted to do. He just want to clean. OK, so Wally is chasing after Eve. We get to the roadway. Yes.

And we see another aberration which is that we're seeing the humans. They're laying on these little beds. Right. And yeah, they're in these chairs. The chair, but yeah, the chair bed.

Which I'm assuming there's a toilet built into it. I think we-- Well, no assumption necessary. That's going on. Yeah.

Wally runs into the first human.

“This is where we start to get the key to the key thing of,”

can Wally just start to throw things a little bit off out of whack. Right? The amount of dirt he introduces in the ecosystem

Makes Mo jump the line.

Him chasing after Eve knocks John off of his axis. He's looking away from the screen for a second. He makes the introduction.

“And I think it's a beautiful moment of Wally”

introducing himself and John being like, John. Like, he's out of habit of needing-- I think it's good. But he probably hasn't done it. He knows what his name is, but he's sort of like,

what am I-- what do I do here? From the last time he met a new person or a new-- anything. Yeah, but I do need to give a shout out

to the BrainBug computer that I will never be able to look at

without thinking of the BrainBug from Starship Troopers. So the secret theory just-- Yes, with the little-- Look, it's great. And I love that we don't really go back to that guy,

but it's-- I say, guy. But the same thing of like Wally waving makes them sort of look at their own articulation point. And be like, can I express an emotion? There's go for the go for--

Well, those-- that's their-- they are Legion. But there's the first mate one that's the one that like tries to be in the plant. I mean, they suck their cops. They're fucked them, aren't they?

They're little fucking dweets. Trying to think of other Wally robots. The painting one is named Van Gogh. All right, that's a little too cute. It's really good.

But then you have the petition bot, you have the boxing robot that's supposed to be a little matchup. No, I don't know what his job would be. The idea is that he's for physical training. He probably has nothing useful in a wilder.

He's supposed to be the exercise bot that like-- He's like the vision pro of the ship in the sense. Right, he's your coach. And you have the defibrillator bots. You have the vacuum cleaner bot.

That one, this year. That also has allergies. Yeah. I'm just like, there is an incredible amount of entries on the Pixar Wiki.

There's a golf bot called Birdie. Oh, sure. You see, yes.

“You see the guys on the screen on his own short film?”

Yes. There's also Bird, come a Brad who made a lot of movies. He did. Thank you. Yeah.

Yeah. Thank you for acknowledging that. Yes. What is Bernie Bernie's like a welder, right? He's a welder.

He's outside of the ship who gets locked outside. And it's sort of a blackout gag of like, what's this guy going to do? And Angus McClain pitch. Like, what if there's a subplot of him trying to get back into the building? And Sam was like, we don't have room for this in the movie.

But like, I think that's a good short idea. And this was the era where there were enough shorts being commissioned as developmental

to play in front of movies, but they also always wanted a short on the home video.

Yes. You had your Jack Jack attack. You had your Bernie. You had your Mike's new car. But Bernie is really fucking good.

They're acting good. I always worried. I always thought with those, like, wondered with those, like, yeah. Is it annoying at Pixar where it's like, hey, you got the sort of cute spin-off versus the original short?

Like, I feel like more people might watch it. But it's, I think. I think the shadow. Yes. It's like a double-edged sword.

My daughter's special with Jack Jack attack was very intense. They basically fall off a cliff right after this. Yeah. Because Jack Jack attack was directed by birds. Yeah.

Birds involved. Right. But a lot of things are gifts to parents, especially in the streaming era whose kids are obsessed with these movies. And instead of watching Frozen 2 for the 97-time, you can watch Frozen fever or Olaf's.

No, what if it would have the fuck not all. Well, that one that I had before I did, Hoko, that started a mutiny. It's like 40 minutes long. It was insane. But the one on Earth, Olaf, the one on up, they don't even fully fuck animates.

Yeah. It's like on the disc as like story reels, where they were like, yeah, we were going to have time money on this one. But I find shorts before not like bringing kids to a movie, a short before movie is very, very anxiety-inducing for me because there's a narrow window where the kids attention

will be locked in enough to the movie and the candy won't fry their brains. I can't drop it. It's a very different. I think Elemental was the last one. Your anxiety is too high.

I would say wait until Bebop and Rocks that are a little bit older and exerting that boy energy. It is very possible. Did you see? I am in for help.

What I placed on your desk, David, in the little bay, you know, you always struggle

to remember which one's bebop from Rocks that is. Let's be. I gave you a little study guide that has a photo on one side in the mainland of my.

“Bebop, as I think I've told you, the toys are still in separate crypts.”

Bebop has Bebop, Rocks that he has Rocks that he. But the start of every morning, Bebop demands both. Like he points. You know, like I give him both and then he plops in my lap and holds them. It feels great.

And what is Rocks that he's doing now? He's still drinking his bottle. My Bebop drinks his bottle like, done, you know, which is his energy generally. Where's Rocks that he's a little bit more like, I shall pause, you know, I'm just like I'm going to want to drink.

Bebop is not going to be a big fan of short films before. I'm the one I have my eye on, reattention. He's got some bruiser energy too. Yeah. Yeah.

Brad. You promise everything. A very funny picture of Rocks that he reading a book. The others. He's so fucked up.

He looks like a little intellectual.

I mean, that's just what his wife, Rocks that he likes to find a corner.

He likes to find like an egress. You know what I mean? Like if there's a part of the room that he can kind of wedge himself into, that's where he wants to be. And then he had him drivers the wall.

No, no, no, no. I'm saying like he then he picks up his book or plays with him. That's a rock set. Whereas Bebop likes to just like walk around and throw shit and stack things and, you know, put things and other things, you know, classic baby stuff.

Yeah. My crazy children. Other robots is the flash light. There's the umbrella. I mean, there are so many of them.

There's the makeup robot. Yes. But what I like is that if feels like one of the things that's activating all these robots is that they're barely kind of engaged with anymore. There's something about much like Wally.

They're forced to do a routine behavior over and over again without even engagement. When you see the golfing robot and it's they're watching the screen rather than watching the bot itself. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. Everyone's.

It's like they're depressed.

They're just in a days. Yeah. And Captain Cray is the one who's sort of like half in. Yes. Who's brain has to be the most awake even though it's only a little awake.

He doesn't. He doesn't have to do like to talk to other people, but he needs to perform. He needs to get on a fucking zoom and do the analysis. He's like, you're getting a new cup this week or whatever, you know, whatever your purchase.

Yeah. Right. His brain's still a little bit active and he thinks of himself as more engaged than the right.

“He's the only thing, only person who has even in illusion of responsibility.”

Yes. Even though at this point, it's like to what end auto doesn't even wake him up. No. I mean, he does the morning announcements. This is only joy.

Right. And the idea of switching from day to night, which no one even notices. Like he oversleaps and then sets the time back to morning. I love that. He can do the morning.

He does only thing he gets to do. He loves to do it. He is sleepy king. He's a good boy. Obviously, his big triumph is walking.

And to me, it's another just triumph of physical animation as good as the robot stuff. Yeah. He's like making his walking compelling. You know, he's like, OK, I got actually going to my feet and walk. It's so funny that the uniform they made, it's just like one size.

Right. And so it's just become, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Do you think children immediately understand the spoke Zarathu Stra as like, yes, this is of course, the music you play when someone is evolving that it's like so hard-wired

and word DNA at this point? So it's like, you know, it's like the fucking, oh, this is what you play. You play when someone's graduating. This is what you play when someone's getting nervous. It's like a magic music.

Yes. It should play to graduate. Yeah. Yeah. But I like that it is this sort of reactivation of curiosity that drives him.

Well, it's the, yeah, the machines becoming more like humans, the humans have already become more machines, but then the humans then have to reactivate it into their humanity by the machines. Right. The two-pronged things.

All these qualities.

“He's like, wait, it's specimen, right, that's what I'm supposed to be waiting for.”

Yeah. But it's been so long that it's felt like it could even happen. I don't even know how to react to this. His moment when auto hands him the, like, guidebook and he lifts up the one page and he's like, wow, what do you look at that?

Right. I think he speaks to it at first. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty good. Right.

He talks into it. Like it's happily.

But I do think it's always a morbid line for me when Fred Willard says that like, oh, just a few

laps around the jogging track and your bodies will be right as rain again. It's like, everything in reality when they go back down to Earth's gravity, they're going to be plops. They're, they're not going to be able to. Again.

It is hard to imagine quite what their life will be. You know, this is why they put in the uncredits sequence because when they did the test screening of the almost finished movie, the first note, everyone got back is like, well, I don't think they survived. Right.

Don't they just die? Right. We have to like, put something on that tells them like, they're going to do the work. Well, figure.

We'll see how far in the works. Yeah. And that's basically the credit. Yeah. The cute like over that.

Is it Peter Gabriel? It's Peter Gabriel. No. No. Because this is the year.

This is, this is slum dog. I'm going slum dog. Yeah. I hope it beats this for best original song. I have a line.

I have a logic question. We see babies. Now, I think there's this. This is a crass question. There's some harvesting going on.

“I think this is an artificial situation.”

Okay. Because I was going to say, how do they, how are they extracting these things? I don't know. But they come in or they just test to Ben, who knows? Yeah.

Are they Jeffrey Tuben? Because we see the release. There are two months in all of them. They're on zoom. All of them.

They might actually have to do it. What's the last time someone didn't Tuben? We see the release.

The two humans.

Yeah.

I don't remember the character's name.

It's John and Mary. I think. But it's clearly like voiced by Kathy and Emissary. People haven't touched one another. Yes.

The act of them just making skin contacts. It's like the other an old boy. They're just like instantly ejecting. It is funny. They're like, okay, let's not make two songs from Slung Dog.

One song from Wally. I think we're done. I got that. Those are the songs you wrote. They couldn't even care to nominate five.

Right. They're like, you know what?

“I think that covers the songs of 28 times.”

And Warren didn't have something more. I don't know. I should like written a Frosty Extensive. Was O6 the year where dream girls has three out of the five song nominations. And then they're like, what are we doing here?

And then I think they sort of went. I think they went to a sort of like, it can be up to five, but it can be smaller. Right. It can be lower and no movie can get more than three worlds to get three. I don't know.

Yeah. It changed with the character. The score, the score, the score, the score of Oscar season. And I saw, I don't use Facebook anymore, but I got an email that said Diane Warren has sent you a message.

And I was too afraid to look at it for an entire calendar year. And then finally after she lost another Oscar, I was like, oh, check what it was. And it was just a smiley face. It just is so funny to rip off that fucking band. And give her an award.

But she has to stop writing songs for movies that are like, in Diane Warren. Sorry. We're looking around here.

Where she wrote a song for a documentary about how she always loses the Oscar

Oscar. I'm not giving this to you. I'm sorry. Fucking famous people write songs. But even my holding a microphone while he was singing that even though he is sitting in front

of a microphone. A documentary about her. I mean, she does. She does it. She's written a lot of great songs.

So I'm not a fan of her. I'm not a fan of her. I'm not a fan of her. I'm not a fan of her. I'm not a fan of her.

I'm not a fan of her. I'm not a fan of her. I'm not a fan of her. I'm not a fan of her. I'm not a fan of her.

I'm not a fan of her. I'm not a fan of her. I think that's like okay. Here's when she should have won.

It's her second, although I wouldn't give it to her.

But her second nomination is for because you loved me. Oh, beautifully sung by Celine Dion from the forgotten film of close and personal.

“It loses to you must lovely from Evita, which is asked.”

Yes. But it will be correct. That should have been her win and we couldn't avoid it a lot of time. The correct winner there is that thing you do. Which is better and was nominated.

But if they give it to Warren, that's still better than the stupid thing. That's nominated too. nomination three is how do I live from Conair? A banger. A great hilarious that is from Conair, but a banger.

What beats it? My heart will go on. Yeah. You're not winning. Break.

You're not gonna win. Then the year after that you don't want to miss a thing. So the next year she has. I don't want to miss a thing from Armageddon. Beautifully sung by Erasmith.

There she loses to when you believe by the prince of Egypt. I think we could have given it to her. I think that's also better. I don't really like. Right.

I got pretty sick of it. But like I don't think there's a huge problem skipping. Fucking when you believe. There's definitely an element of. Continued injustice that has fueled her.

The next year she has. What's it called? Music of my heart from music of the heart. Well, that's. Yeah.

She's starting to get this. That loses to you'll be in my heart from Tarzan. And that's obviously blame Canada. Right. But that's an in-sync Gloria Estafanson.

“I remember in sync performing at the house.”

I definitely remember Gloria Estafanson. It's my winner, but you'll be in my heart. Okay. Talking about that's the when she loved me from Toy Story 2 year. That's what should have won.

McLaughman and Newman. Now I'm going to shoot you in the head. Don't do that. Now the next the net her next nom is for. There you'll be from Pearl Harbor.

A terrible movie with. It's a it's regular Diane more. It's diet. Yeah. It's very similar.

Yeah. It is. It loses to another situation of the Oscars. Giving someone their their much delayed award. Randy Newman.

For. If I'd never you. Right. So so they had to give it to Newman. Then.

13 year drought.

That's Warren vanishes because I feel like a kind of work she did.

Yeah. Who's no longer needed. Right.

“Those are the years where she could have eaked out a win.”

I was the hero. We wanted. Yeah. Not the one. We know we are deserved.

Another. Is it. Is it the.

The the sexual assault on campus movies.

That's in between that. The hunting ground. Yeah. And Pearl Harbor is the her song from beyond the lights. Great.

Oh yeah. Which is pretty good. Yeah. And that loses to glory from Salma. So she could have won there too.

No. Gloria's. It's fine. Gloria's strong. It did make her time cry.

Let's also remember. That year was the whole thing where Salma only got two Oscar. I know. And it's not only. It's only Salma.

And it's like if we don't give Salma the Oscar. And we look like assholes. She definitely could have won for the documentary about sexual assault with Lady Gaga song. And Joe Biden to you.

Yeah. Because writing on the wall from Spectre was a song that's soft. Another. Yeah. Do terror.

That's the same. I mean. Yes. The one that we eventually heard the song that radio had. Yeah.

It's incredible. So like I do feel like into that night. Everyone thought she was finally going to win. And the fact that Joe Biden was on stage presenting the song with Lady Gaga. It was like this feels like a moment.

And then they were like, you know, whatever. Since then, it's been like stop it. Because like the nominations been for Marshall RBG. Breakthrough. The life ahead, which was like an Italian movie.

Breakthrough. Breakthrough. breakthrough breakthrough was a crazy match. Yes, she's like stuck under the ice. I don't know. I don't know. I'm trying a kid back to warmth

That's really what they move it like based on this movie. He never heard of the life ahead for a good days

It's which is the like milicunous heroin addict. David. Why are you reading off my Spotify rack then in 2022? The Oscars are like here's an honor of your word stop Formanation after that tell her like a woman or the claim in hot. Yeah, she got not ready for the cheeto movie

“What's the song? It's called the fire. It's not Jesus. Is that is that the year that Billy?”

I love pizza for the second time. I mean, I don't think she was ever going to win, but it does yes I wish wins for Barbie. That's the year that I'm just can should win. Yes, and instead. We're doing the I wish song But the duly does he wasn't even nominated. She's too hot for the Oscars. Okay Yeah, my family never give us here's the hot people the six triple eight and then yes last year She was nominated for the movie Diane Warren relentless and relentless. She is yeah, and we cannot deny and I just like that

It wasn't even considered to give it to her. You felt like everyone who wrote her in on the nomination ballot But put parathenical, but I'm not given her the way in the golden year. Yes Wow, wow. I would just to end this tangent to close this loop. What do you think she would need to do to win like if she Right, I think right a well like regarded song from a movie that isn't like Diane. You're not going to rope a dough bust into give you a competitive win We're not going to be shamed by you like we stopped being embarrassed at nom 10 and you're like nom 24

Like exactly as you were leading to earlier now that it is also not just for the end credits, but baked into the meat of movies nowadays It's like very strong original songs by major artists and I think that has never been so difficult It's like gold and you're like right like you're not this is not a kitty category I mean like these are right big pop songs making and the days when she was writing songs to compete with golden They existed, but they are so funny that they were like

On air, okay, it's like a really violent array to move me about like condon and airplane like to think we need a fucking just this But this is the era. I miss which is what I refer to even though often this was not the proper title Blank blank blank parenthetical love things from

“And you like action movie or disaster movie later under I think is famously”

Yeah, the one I always show people because it feels like this was too late for this to be happening It feels like an aberration that snuck through and I'm constantly pointing out and saying like can we bring this back is Adam Lambert's time from Miracles Love theme from Roland, Emerick's 2012 Which has a music video of him like all decked out and leather and spikes walking through the wreckage over like shots of John Cuseck

Do I think a limo over like the fucking Pacific rain my friend. I watched this video once a month

Everyone Carol and never seen it by this day. I watched it recently. We watched it by this day. It's kind of crazy how in that movie the first lady dies

Like right like she died. She was returned to area 51 and she's like goodbye wife and sorry husband and daughter Five minutes later never mentioned every one's like high 5 and you feel like killing a mirror

She says happy independence day daddy's like hey happy independence day to yo...

It's already a movie where like no one sits down and it's like I think a billion people are

Sure, like they are just booming cities One by one the question is like should Diane Warren have hitched her wagon to Feige and gone like every more movie needs a love song sung by like a grobin The the grobin sounds like Robot and well I have the grobin the MCU other than just the theme song itself. They're the menken songs in Captain America the first adventure that are fun

That I actually think should have been nominated to get cut down a little bit in the film

“Did they not nominee one of them the star-spangled man?”

I think they didn't yeah, but that's that's the one time where they wrote and then I guess the Hawkeye TV show has the fake don't know what that is America Okay, Wally Wally, Wally, okay, so the plant get take it the plant get taken. Eve is deemed The fact well you have she's brought up. He's like oh my god plant life Chest opens up nothing in there. What the fuck we the audience also go what the fuck? It's another good stand move where he originally had

The audience see auto clock that Eve had the plant and organized hiding it It's another deleted scene that you can see in storyboard form and he was like a

I think we need to stay with Wally's perspective until basically he starts to get crushed and

Be the audience is gonna follow you and be there. They're gonna lean in on the intrigue of genuinely Where did the plant go it helps us the weak can't figure out what happened It's classic picks are you know Toy story to them looking for the bag yeah monsters think obviously like the door chase Right. It's good. It's a good way to end a fixer. But I know if he came schematic for them. Like it's good. It feels like a magic trick. Two where it's like we've been watching Eve this whole time Shit her chest has been closed where the fuck did the fucking plant go and that's of course

The captain McCrace says verbate and where the fuck did the fucking plant every magic trick has three parts and the second one is Wally Cry they throw the play it's a great shot Wally poking his head out of the tube. Eve's defective. They put they put the red kind of like cable fucking lock thing on her They put yeah, it's like the boot and send her down and Wally's chasing after we meet the other reject bots

“Yeah, and you know, what did they call the rogue robots?”

It also fun, you know, I'll end a misfit toy boys Kuku's nests kind of Mental hospital vibes while he exactly right the weirdo splatter behind him in slow motion and They all run ramp in through the hallways of the axioms fun and then eventually at some point they wind up He winds up in the escape pod. Well, they're wanted and all of those those aren't the go-fers But those sort of like big screen guard bots have taken the photo that now

Everyone's waking up a little bit by the danger of our robots turning on us Which is another example of Wally starting to create the ripples that affect everyone right the whole system runs on everyone behaving like it does not run If the robots have their own idea and some things that's just alarming enough to break everyone out of the trance

But I guess basically in running away and hiding out from the guards. They see the go-fur trying to eject the plant

The go-fur's got the plant and his tummy and he puts it in the escape pod and And Wally wants to go after what were you gonna say to him? I just that's the idea that I love of like this he he's been infected with consciousness right and like he brings Consciousness back to all these people who've lost it like it's not just the robots coming to life It's everyone coming along. Yeah, that's why I love this movie. Yes

“I agree with you. Good. And that's why yes everything on the axioms important”

I think when I was 22 and I saw this movie in theaters and was so on fight for it and was then like probably mad that it was not like a Philip K. Dick styled Ganzo Depressing fable of you know with like I was like oh, I don't like all the kind of farcey kid shit at the end Like boring and now I just watch that I'm like that's the point of the movie as much as anything else And it's so funny like and it's so fun to watch with a kid who loves all the antics of course

Sorry, I was just plummeted my iPad, but that's the other part of it is She's bleeding him to the escape pod because she wants wally to leave right that she's actually fully angry at him Right is like the fuck are you doing here the plants gone it made it made Eve look bad. This is your fault. Yeah I got the stupid fucking thing plugged into my head now I'm on like all the wanted screens and

In trying to get him to go into the escape pod They then see the go for show up hide in the shadows put the plant in there and while he gets stuck in the escape pod trying to save the plant Which she then thinks explodes You see a moment a little bit of wally being all manic in the port hole. It's like about to explode And the fucking parachute coming out like all the crazy gag shit and then the no no no no no no no no no no no of Eve actually

She does care she doesn't want him to die and then like one of 10 checkoff gun

Moves this movie has is like, oh right we saw him Learn how to use the fire extinguisher on earth. He knows how to use this. He can propel himself. They start dancing to find dancing Right because Captain McCree is also already now watched

“Eve's camera and he's like the fuck is this place earth?”

So it's fine not the cute paradise of my story book trees water. It's basically the same plot as under the skin. I guess of like

future becoming increasingly humanized You know in this case, not to their detriment and Captain McCree getting obsessively Falling down a Wikipedia or have it whole-basically right I guess it's important to remember read them restoring the planet They do have the robots and the robots will be helpful Now, where are they gonna put all the cute garbage and stuff? I don't know does feel like that's got to go somewhere

Well, my thing is send it into space put it on the action That was probably the way they could have resolved the problem in the first place instead of building a ship to get humans to leave the planet Fill the fucking ship with garbage. They send it out. Basically. So I'm like the low orbit anyway is so cluttered with satellites Thanks to Elon Musk

And you know that it's like they can't even it's already their backyard is full of junk, but I wonder if the robots like the character robots are not going to want to do their functions

Because they have now discovered love in the joys of life and whatnot, and they're gonna have to rely on the wall a's and Sure, but you see in the encredits the way that like the robots are helping with the efforts the way their Programming can be re-applied to making a farming and such. Yeah. Yeah. They're gonna make a pizza like I would feel that Asking volley did like go mix take on my trash for me or something like he's got stuff Yeah, he's got dates. He's really got to put the work in on this relationship if it's ever gonna survive

You have the divine dancing thing, which I just think is so beautiful beautiful them creating their own Like color trails that is between human fucking unleashed. Yeah, that that is a really This is what it's it's the argument that like it's the other one

“I think you could say it's his best score only because it forces him to do a lot of stuff outside of his usual”

Yeah, you found it quite challenging anything and then you have moments where it's like and Tommy I'm gonna let you do your shit on this one. Actually the whole score was written by AI I've had the catch in the movie, but he just that's like right me a pretty score. Well, it was written on David It went by David when he was sad about missing his mommy We're talking about one from AI. Yeah, I love his real but he is just too many David's right now. I'm sorry too many David

It's a lost score obviously to the slum dog, I guess which does have you know pretty I go out music. Yeah, Thomas Newton in another way Jesus Newton Thomas Newton's in this film Thomas Newman is another one who I think is at 20 nominated. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he might only be behind Diane Warren. It's a human and also had 20 non. It really fits Newton's like he's 15

his thing of like He's work been like, you know like he's a pretty reliable Systemative, but I think he's also taken for granted I've laid he's been a little bit. He's not taken for granted in that they like will nominate him for passing that's the crazy Where you're like they clearly know him and recognize him. You're noticing the passenger score and you also refuse to give him a trophy

I mean pat the connection between passengers and Wally is Yeah, pronounced. I think that is the live-action remake of Wally his 1917 score Which was his last nom. I listened to all the time the film that was playing that I was supposed to go see the night He comes to my apartment when lower you come in. I didn't get to see. I didn't know it's fair Having to see 1917 and then I ended up fucking I had twins and I was like, well, I'm not gonna get two snooze like and then like SpongeBob

Mean when months later

Like the second snooze being brought into my house

He should have won that year because he lost a fucking Joker. Yeah, Jesus, but that was I mean, it's like The slum dog went like even giving dry ho bestong wasn't enough slum dog was such a fucking juggernaut He should have won for this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he should have won for this over but This slum dog moment. Yeah, obviously that is not my favorite film of 20. No, it was Rewardly would luminary and like his music does make sense. It's like, you know, it's like in the moment part of the kind of energy of that movie is the music and all that

Yeah, I'm gonna have the Nemo conversation which was like he would have won if Howard Shore had been disqualified

“Would right kind of aberrant that they didn't do that. Well, usually so but the score that's that's why the poor range is so hated”

Yes, yes, I made the case of course the return of the King's Court being hard But also it is just yes, sometimes they're like well, you can't have we we're not not making doing two because it's too too similar to doing one and I'm like the

Dune two scores completely different and you have allowed other SQL scores.

That's seem you're they shortlisted beetle juice beetle, right? I'm like guys. What's the line? Let me show you what instrument he used for that one a phone Okay, he found you that excuse me. Okay, he used a keyboard and he copy pasted control V control V or control

Control C control V. What do you see this is why you could never

“Right, it's important. He is print. That's the problem. That's why I had to be V while you want me get back on from being out”

I know it's another three-hour app. What are we yeah? I know I know I know it's we have I know he has the plan. There's a point in which he gets the plant back. He's gonna bring it back to the cat and she's they're Tells it wally to stay behind. They've also seen go first So they're just like something weird going on here We should be suspicious and cagey beyond the fact that everyone's looking for us now

But she gets through she brings the plant to captain McCay McCray and Also sees the video footage. He's been watching of her on earth Which now has gone into her hibernation period as it's like continues auto playing so she gets to watch Wally taking care of her when she wasn't conscious. They don't really milk that moment as much as they could I'm not saying that's as a negative, but there's a real opportunity there. It's sort of squeeze you by the heart

And they use yeah, they it is restrained but within that footage is Wally showing her Hello dolly her like standby mode body directed at the screen when she wasn't paying attention before

So now she sees it for the first time and you see her have the same hand realization activate fingers

Does the inner lock it activate fingers right? So now you've kind of gets it, but she's already shunned him off and auto is going Turbo trying to block Captain McCray's effort keep your record Ralph terminology out of this conversation I'm sorry. Oh, he's a good guy though. Yeah, let's not be saying me and then auto reveals the the second video from Fred Willard Right looking like they just busted him at the Tiki theater very disheveled

Was he wearing a life jacket? I didn't want to drown This is our episode on the children's film But the idea that it's like five years later and things have gotten so bad and he's just like nevermind a band-in And the secret protocol. You're you're actually just gonna stay out here forever and there's an argument that auto is showcasing the same thing

We're talking about with our other like hero robots, which is like auto has clearly made a decision to hide this information from the humans Auto has been serving all of these captains and it's some following protocol I mean, that's that's auto's design, but like was protocol not giving the captain the complete information I think it was by any means necessary making sure that humans do not get back to He was following his prime director. Yeah, you just could argue that auto is starting to make like creative decisions of how to execute that

Maybe in the way they're like a learning language model large language, but whatever the fuck they are Would would make what appear to be creative decisions to gas somebody up when they're asking chat GPT for it But I mean, I don't think it is actually thinking for itself in that it's a rational feeling is defeating its programming in the way is all the other robots in the film

“I think that's what distinguishes auto from all of them is that it is bound to it's bound to its order and can't”

Really think novelistically they both get knocked down the garbage shoe zapped by auto while he gets Prushed and smooshed But if sees that he has saved the plant and all is not lost. Yeah, yeah, it's also a fun moment with Mo Right, Wally it makes the introduction to Mo who just uses as an opportunity to clean his hand off

But like the most always the team yes, the doors when the garbage is being taken for big risk. Yeah

And then most says life can be messy. I love The moment of Wally's sort of like back hinge flipping out his hook that he had previously been using for the igloo and you're like that's a pretty perfect place to put mild We got our fucking core three now. You know like the three of them like Eve can carry Wally Mo can be on Wally's back And we're just fucking all business now Let's get what I'm taking from this is that maybe my marriage needs a third

Right chief harmony. We need an Eve you need me maybe the Eve is your couples therapist. I'll bring that up there this afternoon

“I think the last time I was hearing both have couples therapy in the afternoon, which is not a daily occurrence”

But sure of a coincidence, but I can cancel it once because I'm playing chicken I think I think I'd actually have to cancel because of Shinnler's list

Which is a lie.

I remember being quite a bash about that not about my wallet. I will say it is a point of pride that blank check has not yet Knowingly ruined a marriage. I'm sure it's happened

“You don't know about it right like it maybe someone just listened to us so much the the other person was like, you know what?”

I'm at it. You know like in up all right, anytime I need a guy. I apologize People come up me like hey, I'm sorry I don't actually listen to show but like my my partners obsessed with it So it's on all the time in the home and I just go like I'm I'm so sorry if this is not a thing you're opting into could be worse They could be really into ice age the meltdown. This is true. Wally

Yeah, they're they're just in fucking mission mode now because Eve is just like a it's like her protective instinct is kicking in Wally is close to death his circuit board is fried. There's no time to waste he has You know in a slightly Christlike way potentially sacrifice himself

Yeah, or the sensor humanity to try to save them, but that always I was watching the movie

And I was like he'll be okay like that would be too. I had half a moment of is Pixar gonna do it now

“I think future generations of people once they repopulate the earth should worship wally they should”

Yeah, that's the child. This is a good movie, but they've locked Captain McCray Wally even Mo are trying to find a way to get to the lead-o-deck because if they can put the plant in The what I call the hollow deck the hollow deck It the ship will auto pilot itself. It will override auto pilot himself even And just go straight to it. And I just yeah, McCray just needing to give a shit

He's still trying to stay in the hover chair and do everything he can, but then you finally get to the breaking points You said this excellent piece of animation of I got a fucking lock

None this is gonna happen if I don't make the effort to take the first step. Yeah, and it's such beautiful walking little Bobby boy

I mean this is really when Wally sacrifices himself though He gets it's not gets gross in the trash compactor. It's that Auto is trying to drop down the chamber where they're supposed to put the plant into Yes, well right the first thing that happens is that auto like shocks him which free Fries the circuit board and then now he's additionally physically crushed. I like that they fool auto with a drawing of a plant

Yes, there's a lot of the projection And yeah, and it's just like the ripple effects of everyone that Wally has Effected in some way or woken up now everyone is suddenly joined in the air patting to nesk right his way The sort of I know that guy Thing where people are oh yeah

Right in a civilization where people have no social interactions while he is like their favorite Thing they've ever met because it's the last time they had a feeling about anything It's a smart choice that it's just hyperspeed and it's like once you get the boot in there We're just gonna go straight Let's go over how it's all designed but then you have what I find so emotionally affecting is even in that panic mode of like

I don't have a second to waste. How do I keep him alive? How do I save him and

going trying to like reconstitute with all the spare parts inside his little trash comb blowing the hole in the ceiling to like light him up and then that moment where you're like are they going fucking kukus nes like is he gone? And the long recalibration of the eyes re-adjusting and then the satisfaction of the truth That's fine. Yeah, I just said you can't end a Pixar movie that way just picturing like mo breaking out of the window and running away It's a space this movie felt so audacious that I was like our all rules out the window

Can they get away with doing that? I didn't want it to happen, but I get a lot big I felt the genuine attention from it Yeah, attention for sure, and then obviously Toy Story 3 is like actively telling the line that tension even more of like are we gonna do it?

“Guys, I don't like I know that's what you don't like, but I don't find it credible at all. It's not credible. I just I'm like right”

I'm like, you know, just don't piss on my wig and tell me screaming. I think it's a credible moment I think what's credible about is it's more about the acceptance of death and the fact that the threat is actually real Show some of what he's worth done. That is exactly what I want from my Toy Story video or immortal. They can't die Part of that's their curse, which is what I like about the Toy Story movies. Yeah, the weird explorers. The only good thing about Toy Story 3 is that total rows in it That's you are you're like totally just quite quick. Me, but you know had turns and that's what you're all

You've been right on here before long. Wow. You don't like lots, huh? No, I do not. Why would he like a lot? So I'm not in it anyway. We see a bunch of greenery and it's nice to think that while he played a big part and clearing all of the debris that enabled the plants to grow Right, you're like even if they still have these giant trashed hours to deal with he did at least create Open enough spaces that they can plant things and that things wasn't in vain. Yes, yes

And society re-builds itself as depicted in the evolution of artistic styles ...

Always my boy man when you get to like fucking point a list Molly and and Eva under the tree

That's a great. I love this fucking movie It is it hits the ending quickly. It's a it's it's not abrupt, but it's like it's very efficient Yeah, and at this point is just can she save him and if it takes too long to get home

“Then you don't believe there's any way to save yes. It is my only reservation is that I I think that the the bit with the ship tipping over and all the baby sliding is”

thematically on point, but I always wish that we're a little bit more viscerally satisfying after the 30 minutes of this like great tati like scrambled through the ship, which feels so athletic and fun This feels a little clumsy, but

Maybe it's supposed I don't know just I always wanted something old that like pulled me in a little bit more at the end

This is one of the movies that broke the Academy Awards it is. Let's just briefly touch on right on the research here There was some concern like You know up. I feel like is the bigger anxiety point, but they'd already had Raditoui where they had some of the kind of like fuck is there like there's no merch it's the movie pretentious and Raditoui did well, but it was down right it was a hit, but it was legier it was less front-loaded and it still ended up way below

While it doesn't even have legs this is true. He's got treads While he was an uptick, but they definitely were worried about it and the marketing I mean we mentioned the fucking hidden city cafe teaser, but I remember the Super Bowl ad for this movie was Buzz Lightyear and Woody watching the game and What he turns to buzz and go you hear about this wally guy and they were so freaked out by this movie that they were like

“Can we just remind you of our legacy in our track record?”

That to buffer please trust us. Movie also very expensive. It is a hundred and eighty million dollar budget. Yes, very high It opened to 63 domestic it grossed to twenty three million to twenty three five twenty one so was below Raditoui which had been below being credible. How's it below right to a worldwide? Yeah, how did you play this? Raditoui was 200 domestic it went above Raditoui while he feels like a unit right to we made six 23 world one Yeah

Cars also obviously had been a disappointment to to some extent on release so though it had a long tail March twice it won best film at Lafca which is big deal big deal. There was a real feeling of like is is it time to let this into the bigger Conversation instead it does get six Oscar nominations so you can play animated you want to guess screen play animated It gets both sound categories right and then score and song right so it's like Six is a lot but at the same time it is you know they're kind of in their category

I mean arguably the only two other nominations it could have realistically gotten were picture and director And it felt like they were on the bubble and it was a real conversation and it felt like you were reading a lot of

“Think pieces of like had there been ten nominees obviously it's a best picture nominee and and that's what”

Right the Oscars, you know, becomes as Toy Story 3 right. It's that this doesn't make it dark night doesn't make it

And I've always contended that grand Torino not making it is the third one

Although you know dark night and while you are a much bigger deal, but it's like if we're getting like more elevated serious blockbusters Do we need a space to recognize these if these animated movies are becoming this artistic do we need a space to recognize these Yeah drives them insane despite as we said in our Sondagmoline our episode Sondagmoline our was the highest grossing best picture nominee until up in Hymer. They had a movie that was a genuine blockbuster crossover success And they were so freaked out by the fact that they didn't show enough respect to Wally and dark night that they they go to ten the next year

And it becomes only the second Animated film to ever be nominated for best picture in a ten Toy Story 3's the third has not been another one in 16 years. Um, I have it. Where do I have it on mine? 2008 less it's my number two. What's your number one connected connect again mine too. Yeah. I have a 12 I guess you get a higher oh get the fuck I'm gonna throw my wallet at you. What do you have above it?

Oh good movies. I think I'll get a little higher though. I really likes about it. Name one Happy go lucky any arc Happy go lucky I think we're gonna get it up to seven you have it the reader what is it what is it leapfrogging I'll tell you about it. I definitely have movies that like connect to key happy go lucky speed racer

Milk Wendy and Lucilk these are big movies for me milk is the best I love these movies. They are lower

Night and then like it's sort of in more like the Rachel getting married in b...

See Rachel's really good Rachel's maybe my threat not a bad year for american film good year now

Incredible, but it's a terrible Oscar year. I'm part of the like over milk any day the week

You're like we had good fucking options and like three of the best picture nominees are kind of wet blankets

“Yeah, of course. I mean, I think like Frost Nixon is obviously”

That is that Frost Nixon contributes to the ten best picture nominees as much as darken I did well readers like when that's egregious, but Frost Nixon is a little bit of like are we just like auto nominating anything that feels like an Oscar reader you were like I could find a few people who thought that was good right there was not One person on earth who was like one of the best five movies of the year is Ron Howard's also like if that play was really good Yeah, play pretty good. Yeah, then I'm really translate it like it translated poorly I saw the place give it eight Oscar nominations and it was like

You know, it felt like that you know those moments where the like we're like green book Where the old Oscar voters like I knew we're changing I can't help it like you know like one more time You know like frosty wait it's slum dog Frost Nixon reader milk the milks So so much better than most and What's the air the fifth one the fifth one I'm forgetting Benjamin button and I like that movie a lot, but even that one is said the time everyone's like a little underwhelmed

a little treatly, you know like just and like we're nominating that over Dark Knight and Wally, which actually kind of

Really hit the Zyke my son is it was never seen a minute of Benjamin button is fascinating by the premise

He's always like what's that movie about the guy who's born to being a hundred years old and ages backwards Love you maybe should show Ace of Benjamin button super cuts like best a blob. He like I don't think he Once it's a movie it's how much make a Benjamin button super cut. This is just there should be like like That's like You would like Benjamin button and the revival tent

Yeah, uh So box office game right yeah Uh, sorry. It's coordinating a little photo shoot maybe. Okay. I've been eating a little I interviewed somebody and they won't there. They're gonna take pictures of you of

“I should do that for anytime. It's just like being going like and who interviewed him, but David Simms you're seen can I paint you?”

I interviewed what's the game came parts. Yes, that movie well, I'll know when it comes out. I'm quite fond of it Especially all the parts where they are in the back room local. That's like good percentage of the moment But there was a yeah sure, but there was a moment during our interview when he said yeah I know I started to get into this stuff liminal horror and all that stuff you my first year of high school Which was the first year of COVID 2020 and I each you can hear it on the audio of our interview right the loud

Shotgun blast I do to my you ain't a bullet. Let's do Well, it's like oh part of me Drink poison. Okay, so number one of the box office Griffin what's it opening against opening to a very surprising $50 million wanted I feel like wanting like massively over index because It was sort of the angel in the jolly moment of like this is serious like she is

“A magnet the only thing I wanted was to never see that movie again. Am I right?”

It's a little terrible. I was fearful. She is really good net though

I cuz this is the changeling year which is movie, you know, I don't like and I always contended

For best-supporting actress would have been a more deserving nomination of wanted over changeling for lead actress I I think that's a bad take. I don't like that movie and I control these really good. I think she she definitely like gives wanted some pep And she's doing her assignment, but not in its bullet. It's it's I'm a changeling it's a strange specific performance But yeah, I need to rewatch changeling yeah, I like never needs to be thought of again once it wants it. I mean that guy. I mean

More Beckman Betoff. He's a product of herenals. It's just them gas and up. The what was then the night shift? Yeah, whatever the fuck it was Watch Yeah, I Wanted I remember I haven't seen this in 2008. Yeah, every time it made a choice

It may be loud as most of them Well, they have rumors who We've time of freeze that tell them where to bend bullets when macavoy creams Chris Pratt in the face with a right with a keyboard and then the words fuck you But the teeth are filling in like the ohs are like a the you know like comment your some Inspired visual choice and that's all right. I know what that was in the

Chris. Yeah, place his coworker who comes like it's Chris Pratt and like sweaty Chubby mode Right back when he was in playing office workers. Yeah, but that movie. Yes, you're right

Massively overperform.

I like saw alone in cinemas in my first year living in New York comedy TV adaptation

“It's the it's the first sex in the city movie. Yes, and not you are corrupt that movie is that number nine though. Okay?”

It's a older TV. It's an older. It's not the honeymooners movie. It's an older. What's it opening to? Well, it opened last week. Uh-huh to 30 a.m. It's going to end up at a 130 dimple. Oh, it's get smart get smart. It wasn't hit forgotten forgotten It kept running to make a sequel and they were like didn't you guys like this and people were like what?

There is what there is not an inch of pop culture that is not someone connected to Anne Hathaway over the last 30 years She's going to she's having a very defining year this year and we all recognize by defining you mean every single movie Features that yeah, or having an arm wrestling macaster work against her. Yeah, I mean in some senses, maybe But I think I have just four or three. Someday has got Dune drama spider-man Odyssey And then you for luckily it seems like you for a season three is going to pass without anyone talking

“But do you think that this year will sort of cement in a public consciousness to an even greater degree than had before that Anne Hathaway is an institution?”

Hathaway fucking rules. I mean Hathaway we're very pro Hathaway in this house. Yeah, in this house. We respect in Hathaway I worry this year will be too much Hathaway. So it's Mother Mary devil wears Prada Odyssey. Varity house at the end of Oak Street is there a six. What I'm forgetting but with the exception of Varity and devil wears Prada. I think those movies have such different core audiences That I don't think it's gonna feel like it is a widespread

Sure is it just five or is there it's just I'm just seeing five although I could have sworn now Isn't movie called alone at dawn the Ron Howard movie right? That's coming back to you I think that right doesn't have a date yet, but that's the other one on her I mean my main concern is that Prada to like suck really bad. I've heard that it is

Basically the same as the first one, but obviously diluted the first one's a master piece of

That is diluted. I'm fine with it. Right. It's kind of like base hit like that's okay. I was worried it was gonna be like Me too. Super Mario Galaxy of devil wears Prada. We're just hit happens. It just starts oh maybe point it to Mary's treat. There's been that she's going to color girls and you're like I really have been worried of like jangling keys shit without me. I'm troubled by the implication of the trailer She does not remember and halfway and though how advanced is her to mention. She worked for a long time. No, she did it

She worked for her six months. It was a memorable six months. Come on Hey, I do think that trailer did make it seem like it was like a many black two style Yeah, that might be too difficult a bit to sell in the trailer I get the idea that she's aloof and they're doing that joke, but into the point where you're like Hey Joe Biden anyone know. Yes

Is Kung Fu Panda still on the top five Kung Fu Panda you have guessed correctly is number four at the box office That's another one that overperformed and there was a real arms race of they ended up very close in terms of the final totals sure sure

“Kung Fu Panda's fun. It's got a Kung Fu Panda in it. Yes. There you go. But I think there was a little bit of a great did it did he's there the Pixar go to”

Suoteric sure versus Kung Fu Panda is right Pixar's like, oh, yes the existential crisis in Kung Fu Panda's like the Panda's large Get does Kung Fu the title explains the plan and actually I'm sure so many times But the urban legend I have heard that when Jeffrey Katzenberg was pitch Kung Fu Panda his first response was I like all three of this One and that movie is the best best executed version of Kung Fu Panda I think when it came out of everyone's like oh, it's actually like good but

You know, while he was trying something very ambitious and they ended up at the exact same number and Wally costume You don't hear a lot of podcasts about Kung Fu Panda these days. No, I'm not sure them They're four, but right Kung Fu Panda did endure. I guess it's right sequel the father and all that as well Number five of the box office is a film in a

Cinematic universe that's getting it's start. This is here in 2008 is this Hulk being incredible. Oh, yeah

That movie really bad, but did interest me to my favorite. I'm so you character lived Tyler's Betty Ross I finally got to see her one more time recently. I love went where yeah Brighton red. I thought you're gonna say Tim Roth's abomination, which is most American's favorite So you character also Have a great time Charlie's everyone around you know what my favorite Betty Ross scene is

Tell me it's tough to pick cuz you've got so many good

I can't guess cuz there's too many my personal favorite Betty Ross scene is when her human body walks into the raft

Of visiting her incarcerated red Hulk form the president father and her head is definitely the same As her human body Both things were shot at the same time union on a real set next to her is important God what if it turned out Joe Biden wasn't insane. Yeah, I wasn't I sorry You know losing his mental faculties when said it was just suffering from red Hulk's disease and that would have been

Number six was though. Oh a good film here. The love guru Wow, we cut a lot of the number seven we've covered this one too with this very person Indiana Jersey kingdom of the crystal skull Number eight another film we've covered emni chummelons the happening Number nine a film we've yet to cover sex in the city number 10 a film we've yet to cover I wonder if we will the opportunity is kind of past us by you don't mess with the zone

Yeah, that's that's maybe top of the list of movies. I used to argue Is that I am terrified to ever be in my memory. It is a movie that you know Has a good heart like it wants everyone to be friends. Maybe it doesn't have the most textured view of The ship will take a situation 2008. It felt like the politics were surprisingly good for the time Right moving up in a set. That will be the moment when the democratic leadership stopped aging

Yes, it's been frozen in time Right right so people still don't like so him today that movie might feel like a weapon fasts a structure. There's or on maybe Yeah, you will truly don't mess with the zone Yeah, that's all the bounce. It's not me. That's happened like three times. Yeah, it happened on the pillar

“We're done. We've been talking for so long while he is a very good movie, and I think it's nice and he's my good friend”

He's really the best of us. Yes now the next week on the show We're going to meet another good friend John Carter You lightly less successful movie You have a Pulitzer Prize winning writer Tony Kushmar. Yes But Michael Shaban is the co-writer of well, he was the co-writer of shit

I mean God bless. Yeah, but that was this was a passion pride. I mean we'll get into all of it. It is it is a fascinating movie It it arguably has become the shorthand I think we were saying this we were talking about this in Madison, Ben that we were like John Carter kind of took over the like You know water world replaced ishtar ishtar replaced heaven's gates John Carter just is the thing that people have showed it has made a bid for it, but couldn't be no and I think some of it just boils down to

This movie costs this much and it's just called John Carter and I'm supposed to know what that is We will talk about it next week. I'm very excited. It's a fascinating movie to Look at now and pull apart ten years. I'm excited to rewatch have only seen the one time Early. Thank you for being here if anything you want to like done we are done Do I have anything I want to plug writing a book that's gonna come out in like three years. So start I'm excited

Recording not written they single word, yeah, but working on it. I was gonna joke your finish But you just want to leave the manuscript out in the sun for three three years Yeah, life to discover it. I want to say I got an idea from Wally there's a Twinkie that Wally feeds How to hellhanks out inside I think I might start bearing Twinkies with the jeans Yeah, continue. No, I mean, how can you say anything after that?

The brilliant idea. I'm also gonna force you to plug fighting in the war room because your co-host always get mad when you don't do that

“Yeah, I guess if you want to listen to it”

You can I think it's entire audience Listen to your show was already well away 100 best podcast ever Yeah, sure Yeah, you can find me on the internet and my name and the indie wire reviewing movies by the time this comes out already I've been to

Canon back and life will go on Am I excited for can yeah, I mean if you're not excited for can what are you doing in this line of work? I suppose Yeah, I'm excited to hear if the Squarespace the episode I nominated myself for if I was ghosted by abject silence for David Sims was rejection or just omission I want to find out. I just want to remind you that the episode you threw your hat in the ring for is

Basically a calendar year away because Squarespace he is so long

“That's what I figured it we are just gonna be stepping out of each other”

We're just not making decisions about those. We're trying to keep things. We're not giving you the silent treatment as much as it here We'll say it on Mike Your interest is not

I don't even remember. I'll say it off Mike. Fine great. Okay. Let's be done as always our friend Wally

Thank you all for listening.

We're finishing up a book up Who you guys got for junk Carter the great Matt singer. I'm looking there. Yeah, we're we're still in Robo cop mode

“I think it's Robo cop three is next. Mm-hmm. Yeah”

You enjoyed the rub it talk and you want more rub it talk then go over and listen was talk about

Rubbin ninjas fighting rubber cop and as always

Eve's a babe Say your name Is that good name is that who is your favorite character on big city greens Brick it. What do you like about cricket? Well, either rock was more like me. He's about the same year as old as me And I'm both a big brother, but he's a little brother. It's kind of weird. What's kind of six? What would you say if somebody asked you what big city greens is about?

Well, it's about It's about 22 minutes long What's the show about what what happens the family moves from the family moves from the country To a bit it's a big city and they get all crying all cry and they don't want to go

“But before they think that they don't want to I think that's gonna be like a creepy mansion”

Like across the door with a bedendol sad like that removes that we're leaving the country and moving to big city Mm-hmm and they cry and they let's cry. Oh, and why is chip whistler so means them?

Well, and this first wants a big city cricket like the chip told on cricket something and then and then cricket kicked him

And all the kids and then it's all began And last question. What do you think of the movie Wally? What does that have to do? It's unrelated. What do you think about Wally? You used to love while we watch it every day for like six months Nope morning

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“And Wally is kind of a vehicle. Yeah, what do you think about that?”

Well, he's kind of got some main character syndrome with regards to this movie. He does he does. He's also kind of a great friend Well, say save this for that. That's the kind of observation must be recorded at all times

Okay, David I'm gonna send you a thing on second

Did you guys record finding me more ready? We did we did down Fish okay, David. Yeah, mm-hmm. Well, nice to be doing me. Yes, sorry Ben we ready we are

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