Shocking Contracts: Wemby Gives Back Money To Help Spurs Pursue Titles + Bucks’ Bold Deal

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"in Las Vegas for summer league." What I'm trying to do is be here for four days and see if I can avoid going to the gym at all. Do you think I can do it? And that is band McMahon from Dallas.

"Howdy, partners, I'm an actually in Los Angeles, "but you're Los Angeles, you're right." "Yeah, no, I don't live in a hotel room. "I went on my home." "I've got faith you can avoid the gym.

"I've also got faith that you're one of the few "who can actually be extremely productive "without stepping foot in the gym

“"because you're gonna be moving and shaking.”

"You'll meet for dinner, you'll meet for lunches. "You'll go play a little bit of golf. "You'll be just lobbing with all kinds of power brokers out there." "Yes, so I spent most of Monday "at the To the Max Foundation Golf Outing

"at TPC Summerland. "Great event put on by Scott Morrison, "the assistant coach with the Utah Jazz. "We've talked about what we wear the shoes for. "It's for autism awareness and projects.

"And listen, McMahon, there was like five NBA coaches "three or four general managers there. "Like no basketballs were in sight. "There was no nest that I was working the entire time. "I just want you to know that."

"How'd you play?" "Not bad, not bad. "I'm just gonna say that some of these guys "they play a lot of golf. "They play a lot more than me.

"I was gonna leave it at that. "Well, I did take the liberty of informing will hardy laws "out of the Salt Lake City Summer league "that you were a better golf for than him. "And that you'd been telling me just how much better

"you were than him. "And oh, I got them fired up there for a little bit. "So I hope you played better than him." "I really appreciate you having my back in that regard. "Like you're really, you know, we've already lost

"one of our teammates. "I feel like it was an opportunity for us to come together "and I want to appreciate you having my back like that "because you know, will doesn't get like, you know,

"he never has emotional swings and wants to take it out

"on somebody's so it's all fine. "Oh, there reminds me, did I tell you "the best moment of the Salt Lake City Summer league "speaking of Will's temporary occasion running hot. "Goochie Maine, our pal, James Williams.

"About five foot eight and a half on a good day, referee. "He's out there and he's, you know, "that a handful of rest were out there and they're evaluating "the rest were working the summer league, "which all these are like NBA hopefuls.

"Well, old jazz bear, bus out the four wheeler "and invites Goochie back onto the floor." "Goochie, so here's the backstory. "Like two seasons ago, during a jazz game "and a timeout, James Williams the referee got on the Utah jazzes,

"maskots, little, I guess four wheeler, right? "Yeah, four wheeler. "A little thing so you can reach the pedal. "You're the worst." And like, you know, sometimes like over the decades,

there's been jokes where they'll like dress up somebody's a referee and like all of a sudden, you know, it'll look like there's a real referee. Now the setting starts dancing. So, you know, like it wouldn't be like completely impossible

for a referee, like, or someone dressed as a referee to get on and drive the four wheeler around the court. Except for this was in this case, the referee drove the four wheeler around the court. - And the jazz were down 30 by the time.

There were a lot of folks were entertained by this. Will Hardy was not one of them. Gucci is where the way of this and his...

“Soon thereafter, I believe he called Will and said,”

"Hey, my bad probably shouldn't have done that." But, so, I, I spring an action. I get it on there and I'm recording this just behind the broadcast table. And Will Hardy is sitting just on the other side

of the broadcast table. Just on the other side of the half court. And I, Joe, or I can't wait till he drives the past wheel. I think there might have been a felony committed how he'd done that.

Let me tell you. Oh, Gucci, you know, he's got a little awareness about him because what he did was he went right up the half court, hung a right, looped back around, went right up the half court,

hung a right, looped back, never went past wheel on the four wheeler.

- That's, that's spatial awareness. And that's spectacular. And I just want to compliment you on being at the top of your reporting game, even in summer league, when it's still easy for us to let down our chops,

you were on top of your game.

- When I saw the four wheeler, and I saw Gucci walking out there,

“I damned me and pulled a hammy-get in a position”

and recorded this thing. (laughing) - It was worth it. Even if you did, it was worth it. - All right.

So, I want to talk about, obviously we're all waiting on the bra, and I can just tell you, look, this is Monday afternoon. There is a dirt of information on this. The people in the league are all talking to each other, trying to find out what the bra is thinking.

There's not a lot of information. A whole bunch of NBA owners were up at the Sun Valley media conference last week in Idaho. Were you up there, McMahon? I can't remember.

Did you get invited to that? - No, but you tend to be a little bit better with a bill in here than I am. - Well, I will say that I wasn't there, but one of the cool things that happened there apparently

is the final negotiations took place

to sell the Seattle Seahawks, which is a sold for over $9 billion

like it went down there in the Sun Valley. But anyway, a bunch of the owners are there, and they were chatting at some of the owners who are trying to get LeBron. We're talking to each other, and they were like,

hey, you heard anything? No, because you heard anything? No, what, you know, LeBron is reaching out and talking to players on some of these teams. And, you know, they were, they were,

they were a port back to their GM with their coach. Like, hey, LeBron called, or what did you think, you know? So, I mean, there's, you know, who knows? Maybe we'll do an emergency broadcast soon. I know that there's this real desire

to push the story to the next level. And that desire often spills out an aggregation. And I know that, especially this week of the year, it's like the deadest sports week of the year. And I know that there's like this,

God, there's gotta be news, and, you know, we're already in the mid-July, there's no news. There just hasn't been, you know, as we're recording, there's just hasn't been news, certainly nothing that I can pass on.

“So, I know it's not satisfying, but that's what we've got.”

We've got that there's no news. Yeah, a lot of weight and a lot of speculating. That's what we've got. Yeah, exactly. And like, you know, I'm not even going to say anything further,

because the aggregators can't, they can't. And a whole lot of aggregates. It's like the scorpion and the frog. The aggregators like the scorpion and the frog. I'll just leave it at that.

But I do think one of the most interesting things that's happened since we last spoke, McMahon. Dr. Wenbingy, I'm assigned a contract extension with the spurs. That was not a surprise. We expected that to happen.

It took a little longer than we expected. And we have our answer why. Basically, it's this. Victor Wenbingyama, he agreed to five years

and 250 million, 250, some odd number.

We won't know the number for a year. But something in that range. Who 50 is? Great contract, but it does not have the escalator in it. What we call the rose provision, which means if he had won

the MVP award, won defense of player the year again, or made the all NBA team this upcoming season, he would have gotten the bump, 25% of the cap to 30% of the cap. And that's going to be worth around 50, potentially, 53 million dollars, somewhere in the neighborhood,

of 10 plus million dollars a year. Wendy. You said the fund max is dead. Yes, it's back, baby. It's back, oh my gosh, the fund max returns.

We thought it was dead. We had just had a memorial service for the fund max. A fund max returns. McMahon, this has been hailed as a credible move by Wimbledon Yama to help the spurs build their team.

But it hasn't been received in great-- you know, in happiness and all corners of the NBA. Well, it's been hailed by spurs fans, by the spurs organization. It's been hated by the union.

Like, let's get to the hailing part of the first, OK?

It doesn't create cap space, but it does create significant flexibility in this apron era, where the second apron is so dreaded. And it's a partnership. You don't just give a discount from the bottom

of your heart and not a kindness. You give a discount, and the deal is, hey, I'll take the 25% and let's be honest.

“The only way he wouldn't have been eligible 30%”

is if he didn't play enough games next year is obviously going to at least be all in the NBA. I'll take less, and it is about 10-0 a year less. If you promise that you're going to put it together or maintain, I should say, because it's together now,

maintain a championship calmer, supporting cast around me. And that's the partnership. That's the promise from the spurs. I think this delays any potential dear and fox decision probably at least a couple of years.

what you're saying there is that.

What I'm saying is I'm saying they're not going to be financially pushed to trade dear and fox for at least a couple of years. Now there might come a time where, because of the fit with Dylan Harper and Dylan Harper needing the ball and all those kind of things, I don't know.

I don't know, but I'm saying this really eases the financial burden of having dear and fox, who's going to continue to be the highest paid play on the roster. That's true on the roster. So does that.

“I think it'll also position them to be able to sign guys”

like Tobias Harris in future all seasons. Now, and look, I understand despising if you're in the union, if you're another player, despising that, OK, I've got to take a discount. The star is going to take a discount to benefit a billionaire owner.

Like, I get that. But I also want to give Wimby credit. He's put it in his money where his mouth is, right? He says he wants to win. And he's taking less to position the spurs to win.

He wants to be the best player of all time. You've got to win a bunch of championships to do that. And he's prioritizing, he prioritizing, championship rates over his paycheck. So I'm just going to say this.

And that can be hailed. And it's a huge vote of confidence in the spurs to continue to make good decisions around him. Because not everybody who gives money-- least money in the table or gives money back

for the organization ends up being happy about it. And we'll see whether he's happy about it or not. But Jay Tham runs and just was. Correct. And he saw it with his own two eyes.

Now, the comp-- Tom Brady routinely took below his market value.

And basically revenue shared with his own teammates.

And he did that because the NFL has a hard salary gap. And so Tom Brady won the Patriots to be better, like essentially wrote some of the essentially wrote a check that he could have gotten two his own teammates to try to help them to try to help the Patriots win.

And they want a lot. And you could argue that Tom Brady's international startup is maybe they win two or three Super Bowl. Maybe they win two less Super Bowl if he doesn't do that. Maybe they just win one.

“But I think Tom Brady would say this financially, he's done OK.”

But that's not obviously not what the league wants. But I have to say this, McMahon. If you're in the league office or you're an owner, you love this precedent. You love the idea that Bronson already did this.

And Victor is doing this. And it's you've had eight different champions in eight different years. Like this is trending exactly the way that they wanted it. And you've got an owner out there in Tom Dundin, who is controversially, but leading a--

Well, I shouldn't say leading a movement. He's trying to start a movement to reduce spending. He's zagging where everybody else is digging. Right. And who knows what that catch is on or not.

But if you're-- the owner's meeting is tomorrow, Tuesday, the day this comes out, they've got certain challenges. But we're expecting to hear expansion updates. Like the Seattle Seahawks just sold for $9 billion. Like I don't think that there's going to be a lack of interest

in an NBA expansion team. They're looking at a potentially really big expansion check. And look at how well things are going. And you mentioned Tom Brady is a cop. You don't have to look.

When he didn't have to look far away to find a cop, I mean, Tim Dunk had did similar things for years for the San Antonio Spurs, right up by at 35, Dr. Nvitsky,

“did something similar for years with the Mavericks, right?”

Before he wanted his only championship, as a matter of fact. So there's a lot of connecting this to this apron era

and this CBA, but it's not like this never happened

before this current CBA. It's just that this current CBA really kind of magnifies the issue because of how massive the luxury tax pains are. And because of how restricted the apron's are. I saw-- I saw our man bond times here yesterday

and his new role. How much Hawkswag was he weared? Head to toe? No, no Hawkscare. He was totally professionally dressed and no Hawkscare.

He was on the job, though. He can't be bothered with his media stuff. Oh, no. He can't be bothered with his media stuff. No, no more polls for bottoms, some of the--

He said, boy, do I have some incredible insight and information and not telling you any of it? [LAUGHS] He couldn't just search for his news. Usually bottoms can't wait to run his mouth.

He pretty much said those exact words. Then he didn't. I'm being dead serious. It's like, I can't tell you any of it.

you dinner. More who collect it podcast after this? All right.

“So last Friday, a day or two after Wimbanyama signed this contract,”

and he has not given an interview yet. So we'll hear from Victor. I assume at some point about this. So the NBA players union, they negotiated this CBA

that had the second apron in 2003, 2023, I should say.

And they agreed to the apron system in April of 2023. And the executive director of the union to make it remotely, who was only on the job for a little over a year, by November of 2023, she had left the position to according to her pursue other opportunities.

Probably a sign that they weren't real happy. I do not know all the details there. But I would just say that this deal got signed and six months later, the union executive was out. Andre would dial a filled in and that interim role

in that job. And now there is a new head of the NBA Players Association, David Kelly, who was a long time chief legal counsel of the Golden State Warriors.

“Andre would dial obviously out of big role in hiring him.”

And he gave his first interviews since taking over the job last week. And he said, quote,

"We are not fans of the second apron.

We did not propose the second apron. We shoved on a better job fighting back against the second apron." In the future, we will have a much more unified union and we will do a better job fighting back. We are seeing the apron system decimate teams

and forced decisions to be made that are not basketball decisions. And what I will just say about that is the current CBA has numerous years left on it. And the second apron is not going away any time soon. Well, and listen, who likes the second apron?

Do fans, do players, do coaches, do GMs? Who likes it? Owners. The owners like it. And that's why it got pushed through.

And he said, I don't have to direct quote from me.

It basically said that he wants some kind of at least

softening of the second apron. Number one, I do not believe that's going to happen on this CBA. Number two, I agree with him.

“And I've got a simple proposal that I think”

would solve a lot because the whole point of the supermax is to position teams to keep their stars, especially your small market teams. Your teams like Oklahoma City-- I mean, the supermax base was hatched in part

because of Kevin Durant's departure from the thunder. Teams like San Antonio, I don't think the extra 5% should count towards the cap. I don't think it should count towards luxury tax. And I don't think it should count towards aprons.

So for example, what I'm saying is, I don't think when we should have had to take a discount. He is without question a supermax player. He should sign the supermax. And then in this case, this person only

has 25% of the cap, count towards all these things. - Let's just slide in the fun max. - Yes. - Yes. And again, it's the same thing, like, same thing with Shay, Gujarat Exander, in Oklahoma City.

And we can go on down the list. But teams shouldn't be punished for drafting well and developing well, or even drafting fortunately and developing well. Or in the case of Shay, identifying a talent

and developing him when he's on his rookie contract. You have to-- the extension has to come off of your original contract, your rookie contract, to be eligible for the supermax. So it doesn't apply to a whole ton of people.

But again, it's a counterproductive thing. The supermax becomes a penalty against teams, more than a weapon for them to be able to keep their own stars or build around their stars. Keep their teams together.

- Okay, that's all reasonable. And maybe they can bring it to the table, but this is in place through 2829 and that won't be changing. Before we move on here, the one thing that I want to say is this.

The players, the players, are guaranteed 51% of the basketball revenue. So no matter what the aprons are, no matter what happens, they're guaranteed to get their money. For every $100 at the league takes in

and the majority of what they take in comes from their TV deals and their ticket sales and stuff like that. But for every $100 at the league makes on basketball income, the players get 51% of it. They get 51 cents.

And if in one year, they end up getting 48 cents,

And if some years, they get 52% then the players have to write a check.

“Each player has to write a check to the owners”

to make it square. They hold their salaries. They hold 10% of their salaries in a reserve during the season so that they can square the books at the end of the year.

So even though the second apron, we see teams being careful

with their spending, the players are still getting all of their contracted money. They're not, none of them are making an aggregate less money. The point of the second apron is to, and by the way, a lot of other things happen, they raise the floor

as each team have to spend. They raise the lower level contracts and minimum contracts and stuff, so the bottom gets better paid. But they force the talent to be distributed. And maybe just the nature of the league

and the cyclical nature of things we would have had eight different champions in eight years because some of these rules were not in place when the eight championed different champions started. Some of this is just the nature of the league.

But it forces the redistribution of talent,

“which forces parity, which is why it acts like a hard salary cap.”

And that is what the owners want

and getting star players to take less

than their market value is also something owners want because a star player is already worth way more than what his salary is. - Yeah, and I don't know, I don't know if this does set a precedent although you could argue Bronson set a precedent.

And you could argue this is when these response to scene Bronson celebrate on his home floor and San Antonio after one in a championship. But I would just, I would just be cautious in thinking because when he did this,

that when Steph Castle's negotiating next summer he's gonna accept a similar deal. And when Dylan Harper's negotiating two summers from now he's gonna accept a similar deal. Nice problem to have for the spurs

that they might be doing his dance three straight summers. But I don't know just because when we did it, those guys will follow as soon.

- So let me ask you this.

- So this is the 2023 draft class we're talking about. So there's only been one extension so far that deadline for those guys to extend their contract is about October 15th. They'll be relative to the start of the season.

It'll be somewhere in mid-October. Do we think anybody else from that class is getting a max contract? - Boy. - Here are the options, branded Miller, who Charlotte is clearly investing in.

“That's what they made clear by trading miles bridges”

and lamello ball. Scoot Henderson is not, I mean, he's doing better, but he's not, you know, he's not. You have the Thompson Twins. - Those are interesting.

A men in particular is interesting. But the rockets have a history of negotiating hard with their own restricted free agents especially. - They just negotiate hard with Tariysen. - Yeah, now a men Thompson is the guy

that they value the most by far on that roster. We'll just point that out. - Agreed, but if it was easy, it'd be done. - Well, listen, the part of the reason the rockets have been so cautious with their extensions

is because they know they had to pay on men. And part of the reason why the pistons have been so cautious with their spending and, you know, when they do spend spending short is because they know they've got to pay a star

alongside Jalen Dern in a long side. Okay, cutting him. I'm saying like, you know, there are some good players in that draft and I don't think we're gonna see another max. - No, you know, Kiyonte George,

if an extension is reached, it's because he's taken significantly less than max. And yeah, I'm struggling to find anybody else who case in walls will get paid. I don't know that it's gonna be on an extension.

That might play out in a restricted free agency. We'll see, and I don't think it'll be max. It'll get paid. And I'm struggling to find another real counter. - Some of these guys are gonna get paid.

You know, Jaime Hawke is gonna get paid. Brian Epigenci is gonna get paid. But, you know, it sets the agenda for the whole class. Over the weekend, McMahon, we saw a big contract given out in the NBA.

And it was to Gary Trent of the Milwaukee Bucks - What did you get paid? - Well, you know, I just wanna say that, you know, he's played for Milwaukee for the last two seasons.

- Have those seasons? - No. - You know, two years ago, he played reasonably well. All things considered. Shot, you know, not great from beyond the arc outside,

but which is one of the reasons why he was signed. But, you know, a quality role player two seasons ago, average of 11 points as of mostly a role player, shot 42% on threes. That was pretty good, you know, for a role player

coming off. And last year, he, you know, he had signed a big three-year deal

His previous three years at the Raptors,

he had averaged a salary as was an average of 17 million.

And then he signed a $2 million minimum with the Bucks in 2024, which was a surprise. A lot of people were surprised that the Bucks got him on a minimum contract. And then he again, he averaged 11 points

and shot 42% from threes and he played 70 something games. You know, like, that's a, that's a, you know, a production that should probably get you around eight figures. Don't you think?

“I think that's a stretch, but how do play last year?”

So this last year, he also signed for the minimum for $3.6 million. And this last year he played 65 games. He did not have that great of a year, this last year. He had the worst year of his career since he was a rookie.

He averaged eight points. His three points shooting went from 42 to 36. And he had only 39% overall, which was the worst year since his rookie season. - He, like if you look at the analytics of it,

he had negative win shares, a negative Bucks plus minus, a negative warp, and he got a mid-level extension base or mid-level exception basically, a full mid-level? Come on, Wendy. This contracts stinks, it smells awful.

- Four year, 64 million. - Were you surprised by that contract? - Oh, are you playing the, on the advice of council, I'd like to play the fifth. - Oh, or were there a whispers that he was gonna get

something in that ballpark? - Now, on the advice of council, I'd like to invoke my fifth amendment privilege. - I'm afraid to fire my fingers 'cause I've had issues with this camera.

I'm gonna fire my fingers up, I'll keep them low, but I'm fire my fingers up. Why would they do that? Why would they give a guy, coming off a really bad year, a full mid-level?

Why would they agree to that this summer? I'm just gonna tell you, Wendy, I'll answer my own questions. There is no logical explanation for the Milwaukee Bucks agreeing to this contract, this summer. So, the only logical explanation,

unless they are just complete buffoons, the Milwaukee Bucks front office, which I do not believe, I don't believe they're buffoons. The only logical explanation would be something nefarious. At Boyle Boy, if I'm out of silver,

and some of those head altars in league office, I'd just hope, I'd sniff around. Sniff around a little bit on this one. - Well, in the wake of what happens with Kauai Leonard, I think that's,

I don't know, I don't know what's gonna do here, because if you look at,

“here's the thing that's, here's the thing that is tough about it.”

Even if you wanted to give Gary Trent a mid-level contract,

15 million dollars a year.

Very, very few contracts have been given out this year that have guaranteed longer than two seasons. And if this contract comes in, and I don't believe it's been signed yet, but at this contract comes in as a four-year guarantee,

that's tough, because if you look at it, like, tray young, got a four-year guarantee with a player option, Austin Reeves got a long contract guarantee, you know, Victor Wimbin Yamma. But really, other than the Lakers,

like the Lakers gave Mamu four years, didn't they? The Lakers did some longer deals, but there haven't been many deals. - Yeah, I think Ryan's got the full four years too. But like, and also there's not many full mid-level contracts

given out across the league anymore. Number one, a lot of teams don't even. - Tariys and got five years, but it wasn't fully guaranteed. - Yeah, and it's just right under the mid-level. But like, there was not gonna,

he was not getting this in the open market. It's a completely inexplicable contract, if you just look at it on its face. And it's a terrible deal for the bucks. It's just a awful crime.

“Honestly, in terms of value, it's the worst contract”

since it's a young at least, if not worse. - Right, and I got on the wizards for that contract, and I was said that I just don't think it's tradable, and I don't think this contract is tradable. - Oh. - At all.

- So the bucks paid Gary Tran over the last two years,

they paid a machine under six million.

Okay, give or take six million. And they got production, they got more production than the six million dollars for that. - In the first year, not last year. - Okay, but in aggregate, okay.

So if you gave him a two year, 30 million dollar contract,

him 36 million over four years,

and he gives you what he gave you the last two years. That's nine million dollars over four years. I could justify that. It would still be a tough contract to trade, but it's the four-year guarantee.

And if indeed that's what it is, and with the contract hasn't been signed, at least as a rubber recording, this doesn't come in yet.

“And so that's where I think people are looking at it sideways.”

- I really eagerly anticipate John Horre's explanation of why this contract makes any sense whatsoever for the bucks as they're pivoting to a rebuild. This is the only thing that I'll say, 'cause I don't want to make any accusations

'cause I can't prove anything. - I'm just asking a question. - One of the topics in the league over the last 10 days was when are the bucks going to announce this contract? Would they announce people were joking?

Would they announce it at halftime of like the, would they announce it at halftime of the team of like a US say, like the middle of the first half of a USA soccer game? - They should have waited until either of the QY. Aspirations saga was ruled on, or LeBron announced his new team.

- Right, now I do think, was it a Friday news dump? - It was on Saturday. - Okay, even better. - I do think that they were looking to see if they could roll it into a yonne steel.

So that was part of the reason why it didn't happen. They were looking to see if there was a sign and trade package out there, but it just wasn't for him at this level. - I wonder why nobody wanted to have a sign

and trade with him, making 64 million over four years. - So anyway, that's... - It was one of two just completely inexplicable contractual situations that unfolded over the weekend. The other was certainly nothing to fairies about it,

just incompetence, and you know what I'm talking about. The New Orleans Pelican is given the Andre Jordan, a fully guaranteed two-year minimum, which listen, you want the Andre Jordan to be here, your vet mentor for the next two years, cool.

The problem is, when you give him a fully guaranteed

two-year minimum, you don't get the savings that come with given a guy a minimum. So basically, you just burn three million dollars over two years.

“If it's a one, I think even if it's a one-plus-a-team option,”

you get the savings. Certainly a one-year. - Yes, let me explain this. If you have a veteran's minimum, which right now is about $3.9 million,

and you sign a player to a one-year deal. The league office picks up a big chunk of that. This was put into this, about 1.5. This was put into the CBA years ago. It was done so that they wouldn't, you know,

teams wouldn't sign young players because they were cheaper. They wanted to incentivize veterans to get signed.

So if you sign a player for 4 million,

you get about 1.5 million, it's paid out of a fund from the league office, and they only count against your, against your, like a LeBron, if LeBron signs of $3.9 million, a minimum contract, and it's a one-year deal,

he will only count 2.45 or something against the count. Okay, but if you give more than one year, it doesn't, it doesn't count.

“Accounts, you have to pay the full amount.”

And not only pay the full amount, and that alone is at more money, but accounts for the cap and tax. Yes, those things. Yes, and so it just was questioned.

It's not like, with all due respect to DeAndre, it's not like seven teams are competing to sign him. It's a $3 million accounting error, or like a language error. We don't know if it was an accounting error.

Well, they could have actively made the decision. Well, then it's a continuation of a trend of bad decisions made by this front office. I would say questionable decisions. We don't know, Derek, we can end up being a Hall of Famer.

I don't want to be cruel. Oh, gosh, I love the diplomat. In full disclosure, McMan and I have broken and both eaten lunch in the interim here. Are you, everything okay there in LA?

Yeah, right, and some are NBA today, staff folks. Had a nice little lunch at a local establishment? It's great. All right, good. More who collected podcast after this?

All right, so, speaking of nice little interactions, how about bad meta-bio and Tyler Hero getting together and talking about old times here in Vegas? So, the team stay at several different hotels out here.

And when they have workouts,

“like some of what's going on here is the veteran players”

will come out. And I mean, I don't really think they're doing hard workouts here. I think it's all some level-- for the veterans, it's all some level of boondoggle. Now, not for all of them, but, you know,

I was talking to a high-ranking executive of a team today. It was tell me, you know, next year, we may just tell the guys, we'll fly out here for the camaraderie, but we're not going to rent a ballroom.

And we think here, we trust that you're working out hard, you know, at the other time. But anyway, what happens is teams have practices in ballrooms where they like put down a court. And so, well, you may know more about this than I do, McMahon,

but apparently, Tyler Hero had thrown some shade of Bamet-A-Bio on social media or vice versa. So, he-- in the DMs, and then somebody screenshot of the DMs and those got posted.

So, basically, Tyler Hero got caught talking some, you know,

smack about Bamet-A-Bio. And as Bamet-A-Bio did post a little thing, like the worst bid range of efficiency guys in the league and Bamet-A-Bio on that list. So, yeah, little social media shade being thrown.

You know, when they're-- look, at the end of the day, the heat were actively looking to trade Tyler Hero and they traded them for y'all instead of COMPO. But they crossed paths in one of the ballrooms, a couple of days ago.

And, look, you're an expert on what do you call them,

“and what do you call it, dust up, what do your words for it?”

- Ruh-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. - Ruh-ha-ha-ha, I think this one was more of a dust up than a fractus or a bruh-ha-ha. - Ruh-ha-ha-ha certainly is the highest of those three.

- Okay. - Like, man, Tyler Hero was able to show up

to the game the next day and do an interview without anybody noticing, and, you know, like people didn't know until Sean's report today, Bam punched the guy, and I think you could see a little disc coloring under the eye, but let's just be real.

If Bam wound up and, like, through a haymaker, Tyler Hero won't go in any damn summary game the next day. - Well, look, NBA players are generally, okay, generally. The top 1% of humans in terms of physique. Because, you know, most of them are,

that the average player's six, six, what's, you know? - Yeah, Bam is close to the 1% of that one percent. - Okay, right, in terms of, like, physique, Bam is up there. So I tend to agree with you. Nothing against Tyler, nothing against Tyler.

“- Yeah, and, like, Hero by NBA player standards”

is pretty slight. - By NBA player standards. - By NBA player standards. - By your average person, he's very highly up there because he's very tall, relative to your average person.

Anyway, what my favorite is that this turns into a proxy battle between Dreyman Green, you don't just has them. You don't just are former teammate at ESPN. Dreyman, a teammate neither of us crossed for good reasons. - That's correct.

- Well, I just love Dreyman, like, you know, uses his podcast to, you know, he's being a veteran of punching a teammate, which is what he said. He goes, "Well, when I punched Jordan Pool, like, you know, he has some commentary, and he just, for, you know,

just for old fashioned score settling, just somehow blams you down his ass on." - But, yeah, and it was like, I got all this flag when I punched Jordan Pool, which, by the way, it was an absolute haymaker,

was a knockout blow. And I guess you did said something about Chris I was in Dreyman for, like, punching one of the young guys. Like, I guess, supposed to be like one of his young bucks, guy, under his wing, or whatever.

And then he went back at UD, and then he was like, what about this, and I, you know, it was all pretty entertaining, entertainingly ridiculous is what I would say. - Okay, listen, I just only brought this up for one purpose, because UDONUS has, I'm clapped back on X.

- Oh, yes he did. - Yeah, it was four paragraphs, probably like 175 words, I don't know, maybe even longer, 250 words. I just want to read one line. - Okay.

- From what UDONUS said back to Dreyman. So, to be honest with you, at the whole point, I'm even bringing this topic up. - I like it. - Because UDONUS was talking about the differences

between, you know, what might have happened between Tyler Hero and Van Metabuyo and what happened between Dreyman Green and Jordan Pool a couple years ago. - He said, you thought, this is UDONUS has a VX2Dreyman Green. Quote, you fired off on that young boy,

you never met him before in your life.

(laughing) - Here's what I love about, in addition just to this sentiment and the language, like, there's a certain number of certain people that they have such a distinct way of talking, that when you read something that they wrote,

you can hear them saying, like, Bob Ryan, when I was a kid, Bob Ryan, he was always on ESPN on sports reporters or whatever on a PTI, whatever. And he wrote the exact same way you talked. And if you ever read a Bob Ryan column,

you could hear him in your ear talking to you. Reading this whole thing, you could hear UD. - I could hear UD saying these words. This was not, this was, I will tell you one billion percent, AI did not write this.

- No, no, no, all of you D know AI.

- Right, off to these days, we hear Matt AI.

That was AI, this was done by AI, not this time. AI, there's no way the bleep you pull in Golden State and that bleep he pulled in Chicago, talking crazy to Hoyberg and disrespecting his teammates in practice in Minnesota, ain't gone fly in the 305.

- He told my Jimmy Butler there because, you know, UD and Jimmy had an AUD indicated it didn't quite rise to fist-to-cuff level, but they had some heated interactions.

“Listen, I think that this is a situation”

that needs to be taken seriously and used his way to boost the revenue in the NBA. And I'm serious about this Wendy, I've got a solution. - Okay. - You're gonna have hard feeling sometimes

when guys get traded. And I do believe that some of the, could you some good half-time entertainment? - And so what I suggest is in a case like this, what BAM does is he challenges Tyler Hero

to a boxing match. - If, for example, Jayden Brown feels a certain sort of way about Jason Tatum as he's kind of hinted. He could challenge Jason Tatum to a boxing match.

These would be done at half-time when there's teams meet during summer league and I've came over this, I suggested on NBA today I've done some further thinking 'cause I am a deep thinker. Not only would it boost ticket sales,

but we'd still have the normal half-time show on TV and then you'd have the pay per view. Could you imagine the pay per view

“if you knew BAM at a bio and Tyler Hero going around?”

- I heard that Connor McGregor fight had,

I heard it was $26 million for the gate here

in Vegas the other day. God knows what the pay per view was and that's probably could have gotten done during a half-time. - And that didn't, yeah, I'm good Lord, I could have gotten done during a freaking 20 seconds.

- 20 seconds. - From the pay per view, half-time entertainment of, you know, teammate former teammates with B's getting in the ring against each other. This is something to league,

if it is serious about Maximizing revenue, needs to commit to and implement next year. - Well, listen, I believe one of the highest rated regular season games of the last 25 years in the NBA was in 2004 when Shaq played Kobe

on Christmas Day after their breakup. - Oh, yeah. - So people were just watching at the concept of it.

“So yeah, I think beef definitely drives ratings.”

Anyway, I just wanted to read that thing from you, Donas. - So, thank you. - Yes, my half-time entertainment is Summer League idea. We both become other goals. - I am not ready to declare any sort of superlissives

from Summer League, but you apparently are. - Listen, what good is Summer League for? If not absolute, ridiculously damaged early-drick reactions? - All right. Caleb Wilson, rookie of the year, MVP Hall of Famer.

- Lot, knock down three points shooter all of a sudden. - I tell you what, no, I'm obviously being a bit facetious, but the guy felt like he should have been the number one pick, which all the top four picks did. He's been working clearly on a shot,

came in with a chip on a shoulder and dropped 35 and a Summer League debut, like I'm intrigued. - Working on his shot, he said he's taking between 2,533 pointers a day for the last several months, ever since his wrist got healthy from the injury.

- I'd have to do the math. That might be like, "Wilts 20,000," where I'm not sure if it's mathematically possible. (laughs) - And I don't mean, we'll, we'll then take any three points.

- I don't think the mathematics, where it was the difficulty there. I don't think there might have been some other challenges. All I'm gonna say is that it's early,

and in the case of Darren Peterson,

they're gonna be on teams that intend to be highly competitive and have veteran multiple, veteran former all stars on the roster. That is not the case with the Chicago Bulls. So, when it comes to putting up numbers,

“it's very possible, and I think this will be certainly true”

for Cam Boosier to a certain extent.

- No, it's gonna say, "No, it's the case with the Grizzlies." - But it would not surprise me if Wilson puts up enormous numbers and makes this case that way, just from Shroddeth. - In all seriousness, I think it's gonna be, it's obviously been a rookie class.

It's been hyped for a while.

And I think the rookie of the year battle

is going to be a ton of fun.

“It was last year, and then up being a two-man battle,”

even though Dylan Harper and VGH come like, I'd take you to one of those guys in a heartbeat, but I think all four of these top four are going to hit the ground running in the NBA. - All right, before we go, Jackson has the official weights

between BAM and Tyler here. I do want to guess. - I think BAM is listed at 260, okay.

“- And here I, I don't, I think he's a button 92, so can wet.”

- All right, you're awfully close. Tyler is listed at 195, BAM at 255, okay? - My quick math, that's 60 pounds, but I'm just gonna tell you, most of those pounds are in muscle.

(laughing) - No, if they don't, I don't know what else would be down. - But Tyler here I would throw me through a wall, I'm not, I'm just saying, my money's on bail. (laughing)

- That's all. - All right, thank you to Mark Miles Tucker and our man, Jackson, for putting us all together. Thank you very much for listening and watching to the Who-Collective.

Thank you to Pan McMahon. We'll talk to you later this week. - Adios Migos. (upbeat music)