Aly & AJ: Disney & Dating Disasters (FBF)

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. [MUSIC PLAYING] Ali and AJ, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thanks for having us.

You guys, the last time we saw each other was we were hanging out backstage at my tour. And you were the loveliest people.

And I always have these moments, because I'm like,

I watched you guys growing up. Obviously, I love you guys your music all of it. But meeting you guys in person was so fun to be like, oh my god, you guys are normal girls, and we're all just hanging out.

So I'm so happy we're finally doing the same. So happy to be here to be here. So happy to be here. OK, if you guys are not touring, if you're not working, if you don't have all the chaos of your life,

what is your most fun thing that you guys usually like to do together? We're big, like, spa people. And we kind of have been since we were young. Like, we were like hanging out in a spa at 10 and 12.

And we were just loving it. And our parents would be like, I don't know. They just like love hot, dry sonas, and getting much arches. Oh, I love this for you.

So like she can't spa. So spa. spa. You want to do the spa?

“If you want to stay off the road of the spa,”

yeah, that's our number one. That's our number one. That's what we're like. I mean, literally, like a movie, like just on AJ's couch, just like ordering in.

Yeah. How like often do you guys hang out all the time? Yeah, all the time. Like every day? Well, no, because now that she's a mom, yeah.

So now that she's a mom, it's not every day. And also, we don't live down the street from each other. We literally used to live. I'm not even kidding you. Like me in my car minutes from each other.

Driving to AJ's four minutes. I could walk to her house in like 20. We, how far now? Now I'm like, hour and a half. What?

Yeah, I know. What happened? Well, I had a kid. Yeah, she's like fine, she's like fine, she's a major. Well, like really we moved for like, to be closer to my mom,

my mom lives out in San Nianas. So we were like, okay, if we're closer to her, that will help with, you know, just like child care, whatever. And then having more space,

because the house that we live in that we lived in in the canyon, that we ended up renting out is like a super cool pad. But it's more like, it's for a couple. It's not really for a kid. So we, we ended up renting a place that just had more space.

Like, so we kind of were just like, we'll see. But it's only an hour now. I visit, it's not like every weekend. Yeah, but would you ever move? I love Santa Barbara.

Okay, you have to be Santa Barbara. I'd move there in a second. Okay, okay, okay. That makes me feel good. I really, what, I'm not ready yet.

I really love where I am. Yeah.

“But I think down the road I would, I absolutely would.”

And I think it's a beautiful place to raise a son. Do you guys play the typical like older younger sister roles? Do you feel like, or is there anything that you're like, I don't act like a younger sister and older sister in this way?

I think they were swapped when we were younger. Oh, really? Yeah, that's a kind of younger sister. And she was like older sisters. And then it switched.

Like, we always joke out when I was young,

I was very shy and really shy. And I would have her just kind of, you were like my translator. Yeah, she would like, now, you mean it's like, and I'd be like, she wants a turkey sub.

No, um, cheese and egg. No mustard. No mustard. Whatever. Literally, I would speak to you.

She like, no. It was very strange. I always buy a shirt. You got out of that, though. I got out of it.

And then I think it swapped to being like, okay, now you don't translate for me. But yeah. Well, I, you never did. Never.

But I think what's interesting is like, obviously you guys then like at a pretty young age got into the spotlight. So like, you don't think that a kid would be shy that then gets into like this industry.

When Disney entered the conversation, where your parents at all like, this is like too much. They ever tried to talk you guys out of it. No, at that point, we were fully in.

Like a sad card in hand. Doing commercials. Well, not you.

Me, me, because I got my stuff first.

It was still the future. Yeah. So like, I didn't even have like, I mean, I knew the basics of like, this is a mark and stuff.

But I learned like everything on that set. Oh my god, you were first gig was filled with pleasure. Yeah, that was like that. That's kind of the biggest fun ever. Wait, what?

Yeah, that's funny. When you guys, like, I obviously was thinking before I sat down with you and like, when you look back at that era, you think about like, you think about you guys, you think about Demi, you think about Mili,

you think about Selena, you think about the Jonas Brothers. Like, when you were in the era that you were in because it shaped so much of our childhood, I feel like, did you guys realize it was that iconic in the moment where did it literally just feel like work?

I think one's Calville's hit, we know. Yeah, and I feel like when the music started happening on the channel and that was having simultaneously with Phil, I think that's when we were like, oh, this is really like clicking with people.

And I do remember going to, I don't know,

“I think, were we with Hollywood records at the time?”

I don't know, I don't think so. What if we wind us season two of the show? It was season two. But I think season one of Phil, the future had been out. So no, we weren't signed yet with Hollywood.

But for whatever reason, we were invited to Hillary Duff's concert at, I think, the former something, and I think you were with me. Yeah. And I got mobbed at this concert.

And I was like, yeah, 'cause season one at aired.

It was like the first real time I remember being like,

“oh, like, people didn't know people from this show.”

And then it was just, you know, after that, it was still very, we had a very normal life. But I just remember being like, oh, people are sobbing me because of this TV show. I mean, I've Hillary Duff concerted, like,

take, and me back, because I was going to ask, like, how your life changed with Phil the future. Because I feel like that was a very, very, very big moment. And I feel like some shows popped, some shows didn't. That one, I, like, feel like I watched every freaking episode.

It was so good. Thank you. It did pop, but like, we only did two seasons, which people kind of forget. What?

Yes, that's it. I know, it's a travesty. And then it got canceled. Wait, but how many episodes were in a season? Twenty, two, I think.

Okay, that's also so different. Like, these days is like, sure. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, and that's it. Okay, but 20.

There's still a lot of that. Wait. Yeah, so it's only two. [MUSIC PLAYING] Is this Thanwell water?

No, that's water. That's real water. You can, you can, you can try it. Yeah, you can try it. Okay, I'm trying it.

Give it a go. It's a trip. It's yummy. Yeah, yeah, it's yummy.

It's basically like a better, ideally version of, like,

p, d, p, d, like, and gatorre. Yeah, that's really good. It's good, right? It's not sweet. It's not, oh, my God.

I did so many days ago. You don't have to turn it down with water. Like, gatorre. The mango is mine. Oh, in college when I would play soccer, I would have to literally dive into it.

I would do it. And I would do, like, half gatorre, and half water. Yeah. My favorite kind of is the mango that you're currently holding. And this one as well.

Or into burnt jiscus. Oh, that is good. It's good, right? I think the mango is maybe-- The mango is the best.

It's my favorite. It's my favorite, currently. This is a burnt jiscus. I like the mango. Yeah, it's great.

Um, okay, so back to it. Because I was, thank you so much. I was thinking about you guys and like, now that I'm like a business woman. And obviously, like, you guys can share what you want. But I was thinking about you guys.

And I'm like, you were so young. And you guys looked like you were at the top of the world. But like, when you look back financially,

“did you feel like as kids you were compensated correctly?”

I don't know if that's like a fair thing is interesting. Um, I don't know if you would have known anything to compare it to-- Yeah, I don't think it's crazy when you have a job that young. Yeah, and in a strange way, like any money that you're making. Of course, it seems like great.

But like, I made like $7,000 per episode on that. Yeah, that's not good. Then ain't nothing. Like, do you want to mean? Yeah, that is interesting.

Because when you want to know what that would equate to today. But true. Right. But I guess for kids show, you're kind of like, that's great. That could go into their college funds.

Like, and how did you guys handle it with your parents? Because obviously, I remember we were standing in the hallway of my tour. And I looked at you guys and I was like, how did you guys just stay so normal? And you guys are like so lovely.

I feel like you guys live my girlfriends from back home. And the unfortunate side of the industry, like we've all seen. It's like so many of these kids, whether it was like the parents were abusing the power and taking this money, the parents were forcing it. We saw it all the time.

The parents didn't help. The kids, so they were just kind of buy themselves on set. Like, they're just like dropped off and left with the teacher. Right. Yeah.

What attributed to you guys staying so grounded throughout this whole process? Well, I can tell you we weren't the boss of our household. That's for sure. Like, just because we were working, did not put us at the top.

Like, we were the kids. Yeah.

And then second, like our parents were very,

very clear about like, yeah, you can go to this event. You can promote this project. But like, you're not going to go to like some late after party with a bunch of adults when you guys are underage.

Like, I just feel like when you're younger, you can kind of get away if you're in the industry, but just rolling into every situation. Yes. Like, there's so many adults, even though you really shouldn't be.

It's not really the time and place for that time in your life. Like, you just shouldn't be at those kind of things at that age. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah.

“I think our parents were very, they were pretty strict.”

And like, our mom was on set with us. Like, amazing. If she needed to be somewhere for you and I was like on set, she would be going to like, get you to the audition and then would be like straight back on set.

Yeah. You know? I feel like that's like the biggest key that when the kids come out now. It's like, there's this like missing element, which was kind of like the parental figures.

Yes. And like to give the parental opportunity to people that weren't the actual parents totally. They are just looking at these kids like their cash cows and really your own parent hopefully would be the one to be like,

no, no, no, I need to have some guidelines for my kids. Right. Is it true that you were going to possibly be Hannah Montana? I mean, yeah. I mean, it's funny.

She had the offer. I had the offer. And it was Phil hadn't ended at that point. It was like, they knew that Phil I think was on the way out or it told us like, you know,

we might not be doing a third season. And Gary, who, you know, was the head of the channel Gary Marsh at the time. And Rich. Yeah. It was like this pilot has come in and we think that you're really perfect for it.

And I just remember reading it and being like, wait, but I'm doing music as Ali. And this might be really confusing being Hannah.

There are actually three versions. There would be three if it would be very confusing.

“And I was like, you know, how does AJ relate to this?”

And then they, they, I mean, they literally said, well, then AJ could play the best friend part. Lily. Lily. I think, yeah.

So they were like, why don't you have, and I was like, but it feels like it's my show. It's not really like where Hannah and Lily show. And I think at that point too, it was probably like close to being maybe 17 at that point,

which is funny too, because like we weren't on the channel for that long. Like I, I booked fill at 13. And then by the time it was over, I was like, you know, whatever, 16 and a half or something. So I was like almost 17, I think, when that was offered.

And I just remember thinking like, I've kind of done what I wanted to do here on the channel. You know what I mean? And we had done cowbells, the music had aired a lot. Yeah.

And does he channel cowbells? I guess cowbells we were just starting to like dive into. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

Yeah. I did the right thing. I mean, I obviously like, that was meant to be for my lead. But that's so interesting. How like those pivotal moments,

obviously like everyone was kind of up for certain roles. That like it would have looked so different with you guys in that position. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Is it true AJ that you had your first kiss with Joe Jonas?

Yes. That is true. And about you bring up all the old stuff. Yeah. We got to go through it.

We got to go through it. In a bowling alley. It was so innocent. We a bowling alley. It was sweet.

That's so cute. And did you guys like date for a long time? We dated for a while. I don't um. I mean, for like a young relationship.

Like over a year is pretty good. Like that's pretty solid. That's a really long time. Yeah. I feel like I was so curious.

All of you guys were on such like different shows. But like this was kind of your high school experience. Yeah.

“How did you guys all hang out and like meet on different shows?”

Like what was the social dynamic like like? We met on tour. So the Jonas Brothers opened for us. And that's when we started like there was like a spark. And I was like, oh, this would be fun.

Like we started dating on time. Like something happened with like me and Kevin Kevin. And I was like, it's not really vibing. And then I mean, bless. But like yeah.

And then it was like, no, maybe you can like date the base player Greg. And I was like, no, it's still not vibing. And I mean, like again, bless him, too. But of course. But it just wasn't.

I was like, no. You can't like force. You can't force it. It was like natural that it was natural. It was natural.

Of course. We were and it was a really fun tour. But I think beyond that. So like for me, it's like we were home schooled our whole lives. We didn't experience school dances.

But instead, we had tour like at a really young age. Like to me, I wouldn't trade. Yeah, I wouldn't trade any of it. Because I'm like our experiences on the road. So cool.

And it's actually why I love touring as an adult. Yeah. Because I think it was ingrained in me at a young age that it was a really cool opportunity to have this moment to connect with your fans. It's not going to go on the road.

And I love it. It's very natural. I think some people dive in as an adult. And they're like, I don't want to be on the road. And we're like, we love it.

Bring it on. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird. So anyway, I wouldn't. Yeah, there's nothing I would really trade back.

I just don't know. That's an amazing answer. Okay.

“Did you secretly date your pill of the future coast are for six years?”

No. Well, who said that? That's funny. I think I'm a rumors online that you secretly dated Philip the future coast are for six years.

I literally can't attest. Never even kissed. You guys didn't even.

It was always a friendship.

No. Although I remember, like, he's also older than you. Well, and then that, that age range felt huge. Like, I was 13 and I think he was 16. I think.

Oh, yeah. And that age was just a gap. Yeah. But I remember during the test. Like, when I tested four filled the future.

And I saw that he was the other boy that was off for. I was like, he's really cute. Yeah. And then, of course, you meet them. And then you're like, oh, now we're just buddies.

And like, we actually became really good friends with his girlfriend during that show. Like, he was dating. Yeah, that is true. Yeah.

Sweet. Yeah. So no. No. No.

No. Okay. We're in the polar rumors. That is so funny. Here's in years later.

Okay. Um, obviously, we know Disney was like very strict. Now that, like, everyone kind of like knows the deal. Were you able to experiment at all? Like, normal teenagers?

Like, have your first drink and like go to parties at all?

Or no? Yeah. Yeah. For sure. You did.

Yeah. I think we had a healthy, like, teen. Yeah. But we were, like, not party girls. Like, for whatever.

That's worth. I think. The channel got very lucky. Yeah. Yeah.

We should have been ready for, like, 15 years. Because they would have been like, they're good. We don't need to be worried about that. No. It's true.

Going. Like, yeah. For whatever reason, we just were not, like, rebellious types. Both of us. And I think maybe part of it was because we had each other.

Yeah. So it was like, we didn't have to act out and prove ourselves to, like, our parents or it was just like, kind of nice. Yeah. No, you're right.

I don't even know what it is. It's like a lot, I feel. Maybe it's just a lot. But also, like, Alina, this sounds kind of ridiculous. But we got a little older, but we weren't quite, like, drinking age.

Yeah. People, like, kind of in LA started, like, trusting us as the girls that would, like, go into Ladoo, but not get it. They're like, they're like, let them make. They're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like,

like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, like, they're like, like, like, they were so the better. And they would just, like, mark our hand and they'd be like, like, we trust you. - It's just red, not getting in like, they're fine.

- No, like, truly. And because, I mean, and that was during the height of all of those girls. - I don't see everybody coming out of the fun, you're right. - But like, we were just fine, you were like, "Hi, I feel like no problem in the--

- Yeah, I never seen like a kiss ass. It was just like who we were.

- Who we were, I think is-- - Which I think then, may people be like, "Oh my gosh, we're so darling in the machocard girls." They're just harmless. - Sweet. - Yeah, that's great money. - Everyone knows you guys as Allie and AJ, right?

Like everyone, it's Allie and AJ, it's Allie and AJ. Have you guys ever resented that package deal concepts? - No, I think we've always-- - Like a duo? - Yeah, no. - Yeah, no. - We've never resented that.

“I think the only thing that maybe we've been like,”

"Gosh, I wish we had had like a different band name." - This was like your name. - We didn't think it was cool. - Like a kid, maybe like, why did we do the Allie and AJ thing? 'Cause now it's just our names. - Yeah, I mean, it's very memorable.

- But then, no, the duo thing didn't bug us. - No, no. - Like when you guys were growing up, it all obviously taking different projects. And if like one was having more success, then the other time, like, how did you guys handle that,

as sisters? 'Cause I have a sister and I don't care what we're doing. Like we were competitive. - You know what I mean? - Yeah.

- And like, we are always supportive each other,

but I do feel like naturally there can be moments where it's like, "Oh, you're getting the better parts or you're getting the better parts." Or like, did you ever have moments where you had to sit down and be like, "Let's talk this out." - I think the only time where we felt like,

"Okay, we're getting asked to go out for the same roles." And we feel really strongly that one of us is really right for this. And would you mind standing down? - Like I think there were a couple times that we both got the same audition.

- But usually, one of us would come to the other and be like, "I'm really not right for this. You should just go out for this and I'm just gonna die." - And the other one wouldn't, like, that's happened before. We're like, we've just like said, "Okay, fine, you go for it."

Like, by the way, it would never be down to the two of us. - Right, and it's so different.

“- Yeah, I think our ages are looks, our energy.”

- But we did get asked sometimes to go to the same audition. - Yeah. - And I think some of that was just because of, like, I don't know, some parts kind of would overlap. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, you know, 20 to 22 to 25, and we're like, yeah, yeah.

- But there was never a role specifically

where I was like, "Wow, I really wish that had been me." - Yeah. - And I kind of bombed him as out. Like, never. - Yeah. - Like, for me, it was like, I thought it was so cool that she was like an EZA in Halcats and like,

she's done great work and it always felt like it should be alley. You know what I mean? - And I always want to be her over anyone else. - So if I'm not gonna book it, that would be better than be a family member.

- Yeah, no, that's actually like a healthy way to look at it 'cause anyone that has a sister. I'm like, I want my sister to win always. And I think there's your right. There's like a natural, also like, aside from competitiveness,

you're also very protective of your sibling being like, I want her to do the best. But I also think it's very like, healthy that you guys are able to have that, because I'm not in the same industry as my sister.

Like, I can imagine that some capacity you guys are intertwined and there is a slight competition in light moments that, but that's kind of healthy. You guys were like, we didn't feel that much. - No, and like, if anything where I was,

I mean, I guess you could call it competitive, it would be like if we like the same guy. - Oh, yeah, let's talk about that. - Yeah, that would happen. - Yeah, that would happen every once in a while.

- You guys had the same taste growing up? - Similar. - Yeah, similar way that I would say, yeah, our taste was very similar. - Yeah.

- What do you guys adjust now? Like, no, I don't, adjusting. - But we stopped. So you guys at the one point would like have a crush and how would you handle it?

- Well, neither of us would get that guy. - Yeah. - We would just like, yeah, neither of us. - We would just be like, we both like, - We both like, ten of us fell.

“- Or like, I remember, this is funny that you asked us,”

we were making a record in New York a one that never ended up coming out. And we, we have ten of those. - Yeah, I know. - We're like, we'll take maybe they'll come here too.

- Yeah, too. And we were feeling very cool that you were like, living in New York for like a month, no parents. You know, I don't know, at this point, we were like 21, 22 and 20, right?

And every night, we were really obsessed with wanting to go out to all of these restaurants in New York. We're like, sometimes it even makes sense, where it's like, we're all, that's way on the other side of town. - That's a dirty night.

- That's our Los Angeles, and you don't know of shit. - Love. - So we were like, okay, we're going to catch, or whatever. And we went to this one restaurant called Revel. I don't know why I remember that.

- How do you remember that? - We're still around. And there was a cute guy that was our waiter and I left my number for him on the bill. And I told AJ and she was like,

"I was pissed." - And she was like, "I was like, he was cute." And she was like, "I know I left my number." And I was like, "What?" - Like, you mean, I could have, and I didn't...

- And you were judging me that I had done that. - You know, like, put my suit on my neck out. - So done. - But I'll be the worst guy never texted. - Root. - See, you never called.

- So right? - It's like, "I don't even mean what." - So it's like, "I don't even mean what." - Because we didn't worry. - You mean, either. - And did you guys ever, ever, ever, ever hook up with the same person at any point in your lives.

Like, overlap of, like, years later, you met up with someone. - Like, same kiss or, yeah. - Yeah. - I don't know. - No.

- Now, there's been a couple, like, close calls. - Yeah, where was like, I liked that guy kind of,

Like, AJ and him are kind of dating, and then it would be like, over after. - Or there was a moment where I, like, tested for something. - And reading guy, I thought was really cool. And then Ally actually ended up dating him later.

- Yeah. - Yeah, but it wasn't like a, I know. - No, it was also with him. - No. - No.

- 'Cause I never been an actual crossover.

- No, thank God. - I mean, it would be kind of weird. - No, we're so invested in each other's lives already. - I know, it's like, you're literally, like, one in that concept. Like, when I talk about, 'cause my sister's four years old, and then me and we've never dated the same guy,

but even you talk about it. - Incessently with each other, like, when you start dating, yeah. - Yeah. - Obviously. So it's like, I couldn't go to her if I knew that she liked the guy that I was saying, right? - Right.

- And she knows all the answers. - How do you detail it out? - You can't, I know. - And it's different with a friend. 'Cause with a family member, I would be like, Katherine, you need to get over it, 'cause I need to tell you everything.

- Okay, he was cute, but now, over. - Okay, go tell me. - Yeah, right, right, right. - You did, she did one time help, literally held my hand, while I broke up with the guy over the phone.

“I'm not kidding you, she was like, I do remember that?”

- It was in Calabasas, you were like, I did. - And I'm like, on the phone, then being like, I really don't, this isn't right, like, I, and I'm like, do I get the scissors? - And I'm like, you got his, no bad, it's like, little, little, little, little.

- That's all so rude. - And we got just probably back to that bed, is that funny? - Calabasas? - Calabasas, yeah. - No, we did. - We did, we were Calabasas kids, right? - Before, I was cool. - Before, before it was cool.

- Love that, for you guys. - Yeah, for you guys. - When I was a Johnny from it, we loved, we loved that far. - I love that for you. - Yeah, yeah. - We, breaking up with someone is the worst feeling, I was like, it's sickening. - It's so hard.

- It's actually sickening. - But that's why, like, people, whenever I'm like, there's nothing better than having a sister, and it's, I feel for my friends,

that are like, I never had a sister, I don't know what it's like,

it's like, it's a friendship on steroids. - Yeah. - We're other, totally completely. - It's actually a diss to call it a friendship. - It's like, no, this is living on another. - Yeah, that's a great point. - It's like an extension

of yourself. - Yes, yes. - It's so fun hearing you guys talk about your dynamic together, and obviously so much of what you're writing also goes into love and your life and your family. - Yeah. - But potential breakups song,

I just have to ask the one question, 'cause I think it's like, I saw TikTok, we're gonna, we have to make this TikTok and it's someone being like, you guys remember when those two sisters walked into the studio, and they really said,

“I don't know that's why it's so fun. - That's why it's too fun.”

- It's still fun. - It's still fun. - And them, what inspired that song? - No, no, you're not a real person, like, it's actually the most like, it's the most anti-climactic. - We, I don't know, there's no real person.

- I didn't call it, you guys, because the way you both just pause, I thought I was about to get. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - We're like, you're like, it doesn't exist. - It doesn't exist. - We, okay, tell me though.

- I think we just were like, what if there was a guy that was such a, like, I mean, at this point we were 18 and maybe 18 and 17 and 15 riding the song. - But like, at this point we had probably each had, you would have probably two boyfriends.

I'd barely had one boyfriends, because I would be behind her. - Okay. - So, like, I'm like, she was behind. She was still a lot of the songs. We're like, living in a dream world of what we thought of relationship was like, because we were still really young.

So, to us, it was like, what if this guy was like so terrible that he didn't call you in your birthday and that you begged him to get your stuff back and he, like, wouldn't give it back and then you just had to deliver it in a box at your house. - So, really that's-- - Like, it's back.

- Because of the, like, these two sitting on your bed together being like, genius. - Yeah, genius, let's go. - Yeah, let's go. - But you, what's funny though, was that, you guys, right? - No, guys, right. I don't remember what I did.

“- I do remember we were young, we were young enough”

that we were driving. - We're driving. - Since there is no story behind it, tell me both of your, like, most brutal breakups. (gentle music) - So, we've got a lot of girlies that listen.

How did you get through it? What was your most, like, brutal breakup and how you got through it? Obviously, like, we're not naming names. - Sure. - But just, like, the concept,

like, have you ever been cheated on? - I mean, you made you go first. - Yeah, I was cheated on. - How did you do that? - I found out the guy was, like, hooking up with our really good friend at the time.

- No, how did you find out? - It, like, blew up the friendship and the relationship. - Yeah. - I don't even know how it came out, but it happened in the Calabassus Commons parking lot. - Yeah, and it was like, we were young.

So it was, like, obviously it hits hard no matter what age you are when you feel like, wow, I've been completely free. - But this was, like, a friendship. This was, like, a friendship, a girl friendship that was, was basically the breakup.

It wasn't like the guy, if that makes sense. It was like, we have found out some stuff about her that made us feel like we didn't really know who she was. - And we had been friends with her for a long time. - And that was truly the worst breakup.

And it was a girlfriend break. - Yeah, that's the worst. - And then we met it, like, we're okay now. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, whatever, we like, we'll DM and stuff,

but we don't, like, hang actively. Which is kinda sad 'cause it was a big part of our childhood. - But, like, that is, that guy was, like, didn't even matter, yeah. - Right, it's just a concept of what happened

with the friendship. - Well, that's always the worst

when, like, understandably, people, like, don't blame the girl, blame the guy and it's like, no, no, for sure. But if you were almost closer with the girl than the guy that you were dating, that's where it's like,

And then it gives you, like, full trust issues

'cause you're, like, how did I not know that, and you could, like, hold my hand while I'm crying

“over this and little do I know I'm crying 'cause of you?”

- Oh, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, that's sick. - Okay, I'll let you go. - No. - Okay, I'm trying to think, oh gosh, worst. - You haven't been cheated on, have I?

- I haven't been cheated on. - That's nice. - Which is actually good. - That's pretty good. - That's pretty good. - I know, that's pretty good.

- Yeah, that's good, that's good. - I don't know what that's like. - It's all clapped for that. - No, it's all clapped for that. - No, it's all clapped for that. - No, it's all clapped for that.

- No, it's all clapped for that. - No, it's all clapped for that. - No, it's all clapped for that. - No, it's all clapped for that. - No, it's all clapped for that.

- No, it's all clapped for that. - No, it's all clapped for that. - No, it's all clapped for that. - No, it's all clapped for that. - No, it's all clapped for that. - No, it's all clapped for that.

- No, it's all clapped for that. - It's like I was blindsided many times, like many, but a lot of them, it was like, you know, I was being broken up with because this person was like a professional athlete and was like I need to work on my job and like your distraction. - I need to work on my in a tour bus right now, you're a distraction. - I need to work on my job? - Yeah, I know, like, ridiculous.

“- Do you know where you're sitting in a direct course?”

- No, that is my best direct course.

- I've never heard a professional athlete telling you I have to work on my job.

We, you know that I talk a lot about that, yes, yes, we, how long did you date it? - It wasn't that long, but it was very like, I was like a solid year, maybe maybe a little, I don't even know what sport. - Football. - Football. - I remember being really heartbroken by that.

Now I'm looking back on a lane lane. - But to any of the girls that are like, I feel like around New Year, a lot of people and relationships because I feel like everyone's like, oh my God. My gosh, like, I want to start fresh home and kick this person to the curb where I want to try something different. Like, do you have any advice when you look back at those relationships when people ended things with you as hard as it was in the moment? Now when you look back, like give us some advice of how to get through those horrible blinds hiding moments.

- Honestly, like, having a couple of really solid guy friends was really helpful. Like, I would talk to them about this and they'd be like, this guy's a total loser, like, absolutely not. And, you know, of course, you could say, well, of course, you could say that, they want to get with you. - But these were like, treat the batana, even if they do, okay, if they do it like this. - But they were platonic relationships that were really, like, I would be on the phone, like, talking to Dan, you know, I knew we were going to say, like, "I can't you believe this?"

And he'd be like, "This is an absolute sign that this guy is not right for you." And, like, he was only in it because he just wanted to, like, sleep with you and be done and over there. Like, thank you, Dan. - Thank you. - Now, let's hook up. No, I'm just going to hear you.

- Okay, Daddy Gain needs some advice. And I feel like, all I'm getting from this entire episode is you guys are very wise and you've always been wise and you've always been like, like, little Yoda.

- Like, literally, like, you guys, you guys have been like, people would like you into the club because they're like, "All in AJ, you're going to keep it real, you guys didn't lose yourself to fame, you didn't, you guys have, like, seen me, like, very normal lives and you're still so successful and you're still in the spotlight." - So we need your advice, okay? - Okay. - You want to end a friendship where you've been drifting apart, do you have a breakup conversation with your friend or do you let it die out?

- I've done both. - I've had more, if I'm being honest, I've had a couple die-outs, non-conversations, where I was just kind of like, you kind of stop texting and then it's like, "They also do."

“- Yeah, and it's like, you kind of were like, "We both know this isn't right." - Yeah. - Just kind of a form of ghosting. - It is. I think you should have the conversation.”

- When you have the conversation, it's bigger to do that. - It's bigger to do that. - Do you think those were more extreme moments, like, did something? - Yes, it can make it too big of a deal. But, but it was usually because it was based on something that happened that I was like, "I can't really not see this now and it's here and let's talk about it," and this is why I can't go forward as a friend. - But I think that's good advice, it's like, you kind of have to gauge where you're at. If it's just like, you never really see each other anymore,

but you have this, like, wait over you and they're not great. - Right, I agree too. You can. - And maybe let it simmer. - Yeah, to me, some things don't need, some small bites. - True. - Sometimes it's not like this big, huge fight. And I'm just like, "I'm seeing some things about your lifestyle that doesn't gel with mine," or, or that, you know, I don't know, you weren't there for me in these moments that I needed you. And it's kind of like showing your true colors. And that's okay, we just part of our own ways. - Yeah. - Yeah, that's like, and that's part of just growing up and being a girl.

- I think that's what's been so eye-opening as I've gotten older, like, growing apart from friendships is so sad, and it's like, horrible to look back at. Like, some of my, like, high school friends, and I'm not as close with anymore, whatever, or just also like recognizing, like, we really grew up and we are different, or like, we live our lives differently. And that doesn't mean they're a bad person. You're just like, "No, it doesn't mesh anymore." - But it is sad when a part of your childhood in that way kind of died. - It does. - Like, we just said, "Buy to a friend in a way that I know I'm not really going to connect with again."

And I think it's like sometimes, yes, sometimes those are harder than actual breakups with men sometimes. - Yes. - We're like, "Shit that hurt."

if the person's going to be like, "What are you talking about?" - It's not much.

If something happens, absolutely address it, but you can also, like, let something simmer if that's, like, the natural course of where it was going to go anyways. - Yeah, and it says a lot of both sides aren't really reaching out. Then it's, like, the natural course was for it. - It kind of says, here it is every time, away.

“- Okay, you find out, you were accidentally the other woman. Do you reach out to her or do you stay out of it?”

- I'm the type that would reach out. - Like, yeah, we're both breathing so heavy, we're all like, I'm like, yeah, I think I would contact you. - I think I would, I think I would, I think I would. - Yeah, I think the other one is the woman, I'm so sorry. I didn't know. - Well, what's funny is that we've seen one of our girlfriends, our girlfriends do that. And I, it was like, I was kind of being like, if you don't do this, this is, this is, this is cringe.

- Why is this a different language message, you know? - I don't know if she did it right. - She didn't do it right. I think there's a way you can, I mean, I've said that to her face like, yeah, you didn't know that. - She's a lot. - Oh, she literally wrote like, a pair, a pair. - Yeah, no, no. - And also then that girl is like, oh, yeah, right, sure, honey, you know, and then making your look like, and it makes her feel like the truth. - And it makes her feel like the truth. - Are you making this up that you're really the other woman?

- Like, yeah, you look insane. - Yeah. - Oh, this is really interesting.

“- Yeah, I think a paragraph to ever start something off. - It's bad.”

- You got to go in shorter and just begin the combo rather than hit it hard, where someone's like, oh, my god, I need to like read this tonight when I have time. Like, and sit down and actually think about this. - Yeah. - But, okay, so you guys would both say something. - I would be like, I'm sick. - Yeah, I know. - Like this, this happened. I need you to know, and I'm so sorry, bye. - I kind of, and then I read that. Like, I feel like if you were not again clarifying, you didn't even know you were the other woman, right?

- Yeah. - If you were aware, like, then that's a completely different situation that's like, on you. - But, - Farmer's on you? - Yes, but if you weren't aware, I kind of agree. Because then even if she stays on her, you don't even... - Totally. - At least you had your moment to say, like, this moment happened, and I said to my piece, and like, I didn't live with that. - Love this. - Yeah. - If you knew one of your close friends was cheating on her husband,

who you're also friends with, how do you handle that? - That's really hard. - That's really hard.

- That's never happened. - Uh-uh. - Has that ever happened to you?

- Maybe not husband or you? - I have known, not husband, but yeah, I've known that there's, like, shadyness going on, and you're close to both of them. - Yeah. And I kind of stayed out of it, because I just didn't... - It dissolved on its own, with you staying out of it. - You know what they say together? - They say together. I'm not really that close with them anymore, so I don't know what happened. But I also think maybe that partially is because it was, like, bleeding into every part of their, like,

- When you're lying, that heavily in your life. - That's a good way to flee into every other minute. - Everything. - And you're in your life. - Like, she was more distant, because she was being so cagey, but, and then I was kind of like, I don't know. - Oh, wow, yeah. - I think it depends on maybe who's the OG friend. Is it her or is it guy? Like, I don't know if I had him at the same time. - I mean, if you met at the same time, it's hard. - It's so hard. - I'd like to think I'd have the courage to say something or to be like,

I don't know, like, is everything okay? Like, well, I want to think if I'm the same woman who's going to tell the person, I was the other woman and didn't know until just now, I'd be that same person to say this. - Like, I actually think those two ladies are the same person. - I agree. - Like, bold. - Like, agree. I think what's hard sometimes in friendship dynamics is like, there's a lot of dynamics. I feel like you start to feel, as you get older and there's cheating involved, I have found,

sometimes I'm not privy to all the information of these people's relationships. - Yeah. - And a lot of times, I'm like, oh, you kind of knew that like, I didn't get the whole size. - Yeah. - So I'm like, if I'm super close, if it was my best friend and I'm hearing something, I'm telling her, obviously, and be like, I love you so much and I support you. I just need to tell you how to do this. And then I'm here, whatever you want to do. Because I think it's half the time,

the judgment that people feel when someone brings that information. They get so anxious, like, I have to leave him now. I have to leave her now. And it's like, I don't know. Sometimes I feel like it come off as judge you and you tell them. So I also think your delivery has to be like, I love you and I know this is so fun. - But I saw someone so at this restaurant and this,

“and I'm leaving this information. - Yes. - But I'm here for you if you want to talk and like,”

whatever you do, I love you. - I think now in my 30s, that is how I would approach it. - Yeah. - It would take me a hot minute to come to that. - Yes. - Like, bravery of,

- Yeah. - Okay, we're doing this. - You'd call your sister first. - Yeah.

- We'd call her out. - We'd call her out. - Totally. We'd rehearse it. I'd hold her hand, while she says, "Yes." - Yes. - Or we would be the person and I'd hold her hand in person. - Thank you. - Okay, you accidentally sent a screenshot of the conversation to the person you were gossiping about, how do you play it off? - Ooh. - Have you noticed ever done that? - No, no. - Oh my god, I have done that. - Yeah. - That's how we're doing it. - Oh, my goodness. - In college, I was talking shit about the guy

that I was seeing and I was like texting my friend and I was sunbathing. I was at Boston University. I remember exactly where I was laying. I was in my little bikini and it was so bright out. And I was holding my phone up texting and I was talking to this hockey player. He was so dumb.

being like hockey player wants me to go on his boat later. Like, "I'm gonna have to have a good couple drinks." - And it went to him. And then what was his response? Was he like, "Um, he's now you can unsat." - No. - So we're in a good area. - So now we're fine. So now we're good.

- And guys, I literally responded. I'm pretty sure. Like, first I called my mom screaming.

Like, you guys, I am under the sun. I realize I do it. I'm pretty sure he responded like, "Ello, well, at first." Which is like, actually? - Yeah, that's kind of hard to explain. - Yeah, that's funny. - Yeah, that's funny. - That is the funny joke, right? - Yeah. - It shows how it shows. - Yeah, that shows in the house, not funny. - I am hilarious. - Yeah. - No, and then I was like, "Ello, I'm just kidding." Like, I just can't decide if I want to come.

“Like, what are you thinking? - Good job, guys. - Did he, did he roll with it?”

- He completely rolled with it. - Wow. - So I'm later that night? - Ooh, but that says even more. - You did. - Oh, the conversation? - No, he wasn't smart. - So, like, completely, why did I go? I don't know his board, you know what I mean?

- Yeah, that's where the ego thing where I was like, I have to see this man to like,

make sure that he actually forgave me. Like, this is insane that he doesn't recognize it. - And I was completely shocked. - And I was completely shocked. - I'm talking to him in the day. - I would be more likely for sure to do something like that. - Yeah. - 100% it would be like. - Oh, you would. - Wait, over here. - Like, I'm actually surprised it hasn't happened. - But it hasn't. - Like, because you're just like, you're gonna do some like clumsy shit

where you're like, "Wow, did I get in this situation?" - Tom's detector raised it like, "Come on, you're on the wrong group chat," and it's like, "Oh, shit, yeah." - There will be times we're all like sidebar chat to her and I'll be like, just so you know, you're talking in a way that if this leads to more, you're in the wrong chat. - You're on the wrong track. - You're on the wrong track here. - Yeah. - And she'll be like, "Oh, thank you."

- Totally. - So, yeah. - That is kind of like younger sister energy though. - Like the correction officer. - I call my sister and I'm like, "Are you okay?" And she's like, "Why?" And I'm like, "Why are you sending that to the family group chat?" You were just texting and she's like, "Oh my gosh, I don't know." Like, yeah, I'm kind of like, that does track as younger sister energy. - It is.

- It is. - It is. It's like, we know everything. Like, stay on the wrong track.

“- Exactly. - Okay, do you guys ever go on double dates?”

- Oh, yeah. - Yeah. I mean, with our people and then what they're guys are, I think in the past, how we haven't really done that in the past, I'm trying to think. - Before Steven and Josh? - No, I don't think so. - I don't think so. - That's become more of an adult. - Like, yeah. Or it's been like three-wheeling, where it's like two people on a day. And then I'm like, "Hey, I'm here hanging with you, I haven't lunch, you know, or if it's true." - That's true.

- Yeah. - That's tough. - Let's talk about Steven and Josh. - So serious. - I'll leave you at your husband when you were in your early 20s. - Yeah. - What made him stand out to you? - I don't know. I just got a vibe. Like, this guy is just different. Like, he's really deep. He's very mature. He's just like tapped into something.

- What did that mean? - We met on a set. He was a DP. And I was the lead actor in this like really tiny, little indie. And I don't know. Like, I just picked up this energy from him that just instantly, I was kind of like, this guy is like, I'm like, "Safe with this guy." Like, I can really be myself around him. And he's like artistic and he really cares about this project and how he's talking about it and how he is on set. He's has very much like a leadership kind of energy. Even though he was very young

and it was the first movie that he was, you know, a DP on. So I don't know. It was just like, it was meant to be thing. And at the time, I was seeing a guy that I was in, like, I called it like a tapped relationship. Like, I couldn't get out. It was just like, he was like, I was older than me, that I had, like that I had lost my virginity to it to be completely different. And I was like, girl, I'm good. I was like, I'm good. Like, it's all good. Like, this is a sweet memory and

moment, but like, we're done. You did break up and he was like, I made you a woman. Like, bad. He said that.

“He did. He is cringe. No. So it's crazy. Really crazy. No, how long were you together with him?”

Like a year, year and a half. Yeah. I mean, I know. I know. Well, you had an okay friendship with him again in the

beginning. It's someone that should have always been like a guy friend. Yes. Never should have

dated. 100%. We for a man to say that he made you a woman. I will kill you. I don't know. I know. No, it's, but the fact that I was, like, kind of chill, like, almost kind of like a bro, like, yeah. This is nice, like, whatever. Like, who cares? I lost my virginity to you. It's like, not that big of a deal. And he likes a sentimental. He like had it in his diary. Yeah. It was a very big deal. Like, wow. I'm excited. We, how did you end a relationship with him?

Because that's hard. Like, to be like, someone that's clearly, he was more into it than you. Yeah. You called it a kept relationship. Yes. I know. I know. I know. I know. You didn't end it. And then remember he, like, convinced you to stay in it. So I, like, we had broken up. And then we got back together. And then I'm on this movie. Like, hang out, you know, shooting in Sequoia National Park. We're all, we're all staying in these cabins at the

base of the mountain. So like, after we would wrap, we all would eat dinner together. Yeah. And then you got in like, run lines or whatever. And I just remember, like, essentially, like, talking shit about him to people being like, I don't know. I'm like, I'm in this relationship.

no, beginning of November. So I was probably thinking, like, you know, I'm going to try to wrap this up

“and be on my way. But I knew that I had, I had agreed to do a movie that he was directing that was”

next. That was the next film. So I had to do this next movie with him as a director. And I broke a, I broke up with him at the beginning of the movie. I was so, but then had to be in it, but had to be in it directed by him. Yeah. And he would be kind of trying to be like, no, like, we can make this work. And I was like, we're done. I really don't want to do this. We, you're so strong. It was a brutal. It was not. I don't know. I recommend just bailing out of the

movie and not doing the movie. True. But also that's like your career where you're like, yeah, do I do it? That's tough. Yeah. That's also like ladies listening. I have embed in that situation before when you try to break up with someone. Anyone, whatever. I don't like that. Okay, literally won't let you. And they won't let you. That means it's really bad. Run. It's kind of like,

fire now. It's kind of like firing someone that's like, you're not. Yeah. And they're like,

doing this. I'm not leaving. What? But I really want me now. Like, if I'm firing, you're not going to like, you don't see, like, you know, that's normal. Like, there'd be like ups and downs. Like, sometimes like, you'll be in and out of love. I might not. That ain't how it works. No, when someone doesn't want you, listen to them and leave. Yes. Believe them. Oh, my God. Okay, wait. So when you met Alley's husband, like, where you meet it, you like, no, in the beginning,

I was like, I think she was a little judgmental. Hey, did there's some, not like, there's a crossover that's happening here. I was a little judge. I'm not going to lie.

“Okay. Even though I knew Alley was going to get out of it. I was like, you should have”

gotten out of it like six months ago. And then you'd be like free and clear. But whatever. But that's when I has been true. He turned into the husband, so I'm happy. It's been really become like my brother. Like, I love him. And I've so much respect for him as a husband and a dad, like, to watch him as a father. Like, it's really beautiful. But in the beginning, I was like, I don't know about this guy. Like, he was really shy. He was really quiet. I don't do great with

quiet people except for like, when I'm translating it, what's he's a translator? But like in general, like, I'm like, come on. Like, let's go. Like, let's have a conversation. Like, I'm going to really bubbly personality. And he was just very quiet. He's like an intellectual. He's very, he's super grounded, super smart. And I think I thought maybe like a little like, okay, here's this like Ivy League guy. I'm not going to be able to like carry a conversation with him.

He's probably smarter than me. Like, I think I wasn't intimidated. I got that. And again, back to what we were saying was sisters. It's like, you're so protective. And you have to look

“for her blind spot. Yes. That's how I end with my sister. Like, she's dating right now. And I'm like,”

no, what is going on? And what it? Like, because I'm just like, I want the best for her. So naturally, it is your job almost to be like, I don't like you until you prove that I should like you. Yes. And then he did. And I was like, I love him. Although two years later, when he proposed, I like soft and you knew before. Yeah. I got so not because I wasn't happy for Ali. I literally felt like I'm like, I'm going to lose my sister. I think that's like I had this weird, unrealistic

idea that a marriage meant that the dentist's sister would cover. Yeah. Like, I literally went up. We were living together in Laurel Canyon and we were sharing a place and I went upstairs. I lived in the top loft and I like closed my closet door and I sobbed. I was so happy for her. But at the same time, I was like, I'm literally going to lose my sister. And it didn't happen at all. Of course, here we are. Yeah, here we are. Do you think that's really relatable? Like, I talked about this

with my siblings, especially like around the holiday season. You get to spend more time with your family. And it is kind of like sad when you start to get older and adults and do all the things that adults should be doing and your core family starts to expand. And it's now you're creating your own family and your own memories and traditions. And it's so sad but exciting. But I really got a lot of like, as we are all growing older, you're like, I want to hold on to my siblings

and what we had in our core don't grow up and don't leave me. Yeah. But really, it's more just like there's now more memories and there's more fun. Yes, yes. Yeah, that's true. You more than a dies. No. But I get why you would freak out because like I'm the same way. Well, you're going to on the wedding night, like God bless our dad. But like he, we were doing like a dance, even though it was a father-daughter dance later down the road. It wasn't my father-daughter dance. You had

had yours. But I was like later dancing with dad. And I was like, this is a really sweet moment. And dad goes, honey, how are you doing? And I was like, I'm really happy for them. Like, I feel really good about this. And he was like, that's awesome. You know what? You lost a sister but you gained a brother. And I was like, what the? Huh? I mean, I say it was everything I had tried about it, literally. I didn't imagine what he didn't meet. My dad just, our dad talks like that. Yeah. Like,

he, and I was like, huh? You're like, hey, come again. You're like, dad. This is why I'm getting mentally unwell for the people. Yes, unwell. But there's also the same man, love you dad shout out to dad and mom. Great people. This is also the same man who, like,

lost his father a few years ago and Steven never got to meet him.

Our grandpa and literally at the funeral, I was dead. And funeral because I was working. And at the funeral told Steven, I want you to meet my dad. And he was dead in the kitchen. But he's in like, that's like, we're not like that. Like that. Yeah. Yeah, you're like, dad want you to meet my dad. He's no one in politics. He's no one here. And I don't know how, wait, you were there to witness.

I'm going to meet your dad. And we're going to hit it off over here.

That's stared at the open cast. But dad has to say some really. No, you guys. It's unwell.

“You're like, whoa. The more and more they get older, dad's, you have to smile.”

Yeah, dad has been saying some great love you dad. Some crazy shit lately. I'm like, love you dad. I love your dad. But you got into college holidays. I'll be holidays. You're all insane. Yeah. Um, okay. AJ, you have a boyfriend. I do. It's been six years. Yeah. How did you guys meet? We met at a film festival in Napa. Yeah. I know it was actually bougie. Ali and I had made a film with her husband that had gone to the Napa Valley Film Festival. And he had produced and starred

in a short film that was shortlisted for an Oscar that year that was also premiering at the film

festival. Oh, wow. And it was an amazing short film. And Ham and I met and like, there was like a

spark, but at the time he was with his girlfriend there. And I was dating someone in Canada. Classic. I loved long distance for a while, which was just really. Yeah. I did a very on that kick. Um, whoa. And and I just was like, gosh, I'm going to know this guy for a while. And I don't know how or why. And it's going to happen at some point. But I remember he was wearing the like lumberjack, red, black, flannel. And I was just like, this guy is hot. And he's like

salt to the earth vibes. And then down the road, a year later, he was single. I was single. And we connected on Instagram. And we needed somebody in our video, or take me. I had to be a victim in our in our video, because we were playing vampires. And you were like, can we kill you? He should be in the

“video. Like, let's have him. Yeah. What was your first impression? How did you meet him? When did you meet him?”

I met him at the festival. Yeah. I think he was like, because maybe was there like a cross of panel or something? Yeah, I think. Yeah. Yeah. And then, and then we did the video shoot. And he was like super down. And then we had a couple girlfriends come and also be victims. And they were like down, just kind of like hang out for the day. When they started dating, were you protective or no? I don't know. What do you feel like? I feel like because you already had Steven and play

for such a great life. Good chunk of life. You've lost some of that because you're set and you're like sure. She's got this. Yeah. I think maybe when I age it was younger, I was more protective. Or more like, who is this guy? Like, yeah. What do you after? You actually a loser and you're just

like hiding it really well? Yep. But I feel like I've always been on like good terms with most of

the guys that you've dated. I feel like you're kind of a friendly banter. Yeah. Maybe not as much where you've been like friends with my crew. In a way, I've been more judgmental about who she's dated than the other way around. Which again maybe is the last sister of me too. I'm like you're a fucking loser. You don't do my sister, my sister. Alex, I've gone on two dates with this man you just ran into him on the street in New York. This wasn't even a plan meeting. I'm like,

back off. Yeah. He's like, oh, okay. I'm like, yeah, that's a nightmare to have me. You're parents are divorced, right? Yeah. How do you guys think they're divorced informed how you

“approached your romantic relationships in your adult lives? If I'm going to speak for AJ, I think that.”

Oh, oh. Oh, oh. Oh, I think for me. I think, I mean, we kind of do. I mean, we speak for like maybe a bad habit, but I think that AJ as the little sister vibes was more like heartbroken by. Yeah. And chat and took it really. What age did they get to force? 2019 and 2021. Okay. Yeah. 19 day one. So like in a way, you're old enough to know exactly what happened all the details. Like I think there's a there's a positive at a negative to it, but I think for us, I was shattered. It helped that I was on a TV show and I was living by myself alone for the first time out in Vancouver. Oh, yeah. So I was just focused on that. And you were like left at home to be at home with my mom. Still all of us that might were living together. And you were kind of mourning the divorce a little bit with her. So I think in a weird way. You like carried some of that trauma with you where I was kind of like,

bye. I'm off shooting the show for eight and I'm off. Yeah, again. And when you wrapped, we ended up living together. We lived with our mom while she kind of dealt with getting her life back together after the divorce. Like we ever ended up being like a home of three women. Yeah, kind of those things company, but just just ladies. Yeah. No, that kind of stuff like I know can like your right affects people in different ways literally down to like logistically where you are at in the middle of your parents getting divorce can place such a role and like how it genuinely affected you because you got to be essentially removed.

Correct. Yeah. Do you did you notice anything with like how that affected when you started to like engage in romantic relationships? There was in fidelity with what happened. We're actually like super close with both parents and I was able to forgive our father and like I actually feel like we're in a great place now, but at the time it was really hard for me. And I think when I was dating people, I immediately had this trigger that like they're going to treat up like they're going to like because how could that happen after 23 years.

I'm here like I feel bad talking about it because I love my dad, but like it really was one of those things that became a trigger point that like didn't really need to be there. Like no one needs to be assumed on your being cheated on. You just feel like you've seen it now. So you're like, it's going to happen. It's horrible. I also think like you that's such an interesting dynamic because I could be sitting here with someone that had their parents get divorced when they were like six in it.

When you are that age and you're very deep in about to begin to explore your romantic adult relationships to have a foundation that was like pretty it seems like pretty solid for your whole People people people would be shocked, you know, to find to find out like yes, yeah, the family they broke up. So your reality was so like disrupted. I can imagine that yes, like then you're like we if I can't trust like my dad.

Then I can't trust any of these men wouldn't really again. It's like they're doing this for the first time too, and that's their relationship forever, but it affects you. It does girls.

But I don't think it's like or at least I didn't feel like it turned me off from marriage or not believing in marriage for whatever. No, I think it's still like believed in the idea of it and and I don't know. I think we always felt like okay, there is a there is a chance that you can actually have a successful marriage in this damage you just got to really work on it. And I think if I'm stop it. I'm on it. Yeah, they stop working on it. If I'm going to be the little Yoda that. Yeah, bring it here we go.

Did I am in my heart? I love it. I love I'm joking, but I do love Yoda actually the child. The child loves her.

“I think that not working on the relationship between the mom and dad. Like is is the whole end of the marriage because everything was poured into me and AJ and that was almost like just scapegoat and then it was like, oh, we don't work on ourselves.”

We're not going to be in therapy. We're not going to do these things. We're not going to make sure that you are flown out on tour every, you know, two and a half weeks.

And so being the parents that we're really there for the two kids in the industry. But then it's like, but then you're going to get a part which then affects us. Right. That's interesting. I saw someone recently talking about when people just become their identity is being a mother or a father. It's like, you can't just be one thing. Like, what's your identity to yourself? What's your identity to your partner?

“And that's how you lose yourself. If you're just one, I wonder like, obviously, how old is your child? He's, I'll be eight months.”

I mean, I guess when we, when this is out, like, oh, we got, you know, almost like, oh my god.

Yeah. How has like that concept of like recognizing still needing to pour because you're in the thick of it right now. Like you've got basically a newborn. How have you tried to like work with your partner to make sure you guys are good. Even in the excitement of having like a new child. And that's all you want to talk about. Well, I think I think making moments where it can be the two of us or even if like our kid is around. It's like, okay, well, he's like a sleep right now. We can still kind of have like a little date night.

And go out dinner and put him in his little stroller and like, it can still be romantic or we can put him movie on or we can get away to our favorite place and fix her and it can be. Not just all about the kid, you know, your son is so adorable. Like when he was at tour, I was a little like to see like calm baby. I literally walk into her. Yeah, you can see him after. Yeah. Yeah. He's in a little, he's not in a match. And we couldn't get a manager, but he wouldn't. Yeah, we can't get that turned around.

We're like, please calm down. You're like, okay, fine. Okay, but we're going to go through now. I want to do new music and we're going to play one last game because I think it's fun because sister dynamic. Okay, ready? Who is the more bougie one between the two of you? Who likes the nicer stuff? I know. Maybe maybe AJ, she'll splurge on more like, um, like a skin care thing or like doing like, Skin is beautiful, like, facial, facial, facial, yeah. We have a spa, the spa, but I tend to like, maybe do it a little too much.

I was going to say that, like, the, like, what is the luxury thing you can't live without the spa? Yeah, facials, like every, like, three weeks. Well, it's paying off, like, yeah. Literally, you have a great week. Oh, you don't know, you ever have bad skin, like, as a team did you? Oh, my god. Yes. So like, I will take all the compliments. No, oh my god. You guys, I had like, full acuté when I was younger. Really, but it was just like very hormonal and then like I got over it. And then it was gone. Wow. And now, like, here we are.

Facials, um, okay, who is more likely to take a secret to the grave? Me, I probably, AJ, AJ, yeah. You just mild, so I was like, yeah, you're like, give it to me. Oh, yeah, that is true. Adrian, the, like, mom bitch is pretty good at keeping it. No, you are. But with each other, like, like, to the grave together.

“Do you want to mean, like, that's not the grave that's not, I know, but it's like, you have to be between the two of us.”

It was more likely to pick a fight between the two of you. I mean, we both can pick a fight with each other. Pretty, like, pretty quickly. If it's the right subject matter, you know, the right thing. If it's like, we're disagreeing on something, like, how something was handled.

Yeah, I'll have a correction off. She's like, you're, you're writing an email like you're texting, you know, like, you're,

I'm like, this is sloppy. This is a good for our business. I'm like, okay. I'm like, sorry, like that, you know. That's not even a fight. But like, I usually start something sooner. I feel like then you. That's probably true. Yeah. AJ's maybe a little more fiery love. If you had to say what is your biggest pet peeve about each other, I just like start a full fight on this. Oh, my gosh, I have it. Wow. Oh, well, Ali started doing this in the last, like, year very consistently. I actually don't think I have a dress there with you.

Where she'll go, maybe you could do that. Like, yeah, you're right. It sure. It's me. She'll start a sentence that she's asking you to do something. But instead, it's like, maybe you could get that bottle, like, for Jack or, like, maybe you could get that.

“You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah. I don't know how you word it exactly. I think it's sort of maybe you could.”

And it's like a, like, want, like, you want me to wear. I could be the question. And I'll do it. Okay. So I should just be asking the question.

That's, or just be like, get me to stand it. Get me to get me this. I mean, I'd rather you just say, like, do that. Got the word cloth. Maybe, maybe, maybe you put a little interest. Oh, that's it. You're eating. That drives me nice. That's a good one. That is a great one. Okay, your turn. Oh, AJ. Um, hmm. Okay. We both are OCD. And we know this about each other. But AJ loves to reorganize an area that I've already kind of pre-tried to organize, knowing that AJ doesn't like to move. Like the shoes or something. I'm like, okay, she'll like, I love her. And it's like, the shoes are just in a different corner, but they're still, they're still on the ground.

And you're okay. I literally cleaned four. I'm like to clean for the OCD, like, just trying to get ahead. That's OCD. You can't put the beauty. It has to be your way. You haven't been in a way. It doesn't make any damn sense. No, but it's your way. There's nothing logical. Yep. Nothing's actual. It's like, this pile of clothes. You're lucky. I did not re-organize it. I don't shop. I kid him back. I know what you're talking about. You're feeling in this room. It's only in my own space.

“Okay, that makes you go in. Never get someone else's favor. Who is the first to usually apologize if you guys are coming back from a fight?”

Probably AJ. Yeah. Allie, I don't even remember the last time you said I'm saying that. She does not apologize. Okay. No, you said you're usually lightly starting it and then you're ending it. Yes. Love that for you. I'm a closer. You guys, you're a new music. Okay. We're here. Let's talk about it. You have a new album coming out and a single. The single is coming out on January 10th. Love. What is it called? What it feels like? We were supposed to do that at the same time, but it's okay. Let's do it again, right? Okay. What is it called? What it feels like? Wait. I thought fuck.

And five, six, seven, eight. What it feels like? Gorgeous. Gorgeous. Okay. Talk to me about this album. What is the inspiration behind the music?

I mean, this record feels like it's never been more us. Obviously every single album you're hoping to achieve, you know, that 10% better, right? Each time.

Just like you would with like each, you know, season of the show. But I do feel like we've really stepped into like our womanhood on this album. And I think part of that is is I think just seeing that this music has been so informed by our live show and touring and playing songs to a live audience and with our band that we've now been playing with for a few years has really helped us identify, okay, this is the kind of music we want to put on a record and what we want to then go out and tour. So I think it's looking at it from like the live show is the top of the pyramid and how do we get to the live show.

And I think a lot of this music was created with people that we felt really safe with and was while I was like heavily pregnant. I mean, I guess we started writing it right before I got pregnant and then really the whole making of this album has been either me pregnant and then delivering and then album is finished and delivered. Oh my god, yes. Her water broke in like day two of like pre-production action at her house. At my yeah in the guest room. We like six and that's kind of like, I was texting with Stephen.

“It was very, it was like, what's going on in there? He's like, I think her water broke. I was like, what?”

And then I got really nervous thinking OCD. I was like, she's going to be pissed because this water is on her bed in the ground. Not when it's like that. You're child. Although that is pretty funny. I was like, I was like, can you get the drugs? Me. Oh my god, we okay. So how long was the writing process of this album?

The writing was finished. So writing was for the writing took a solid year. Yeah. Yeah. But so we really were ready to be like, these are the 15 songs we want to record. We're very like, like just we just under maybe just under a year. Yeah. This is a hard question. What is your favorite song off the album? That's hard. I'm so happy with this record, but I really think my number one is Michael song.

We wrote it about a really dear friend of ours that we had worked with in the industry for years and he passed away last year.

And we were like, we were on tour during the funeral. We weren't able to come. Our parents came on behalf of us, which was really sweet. We're really close to his daughter and his wife, literally like a long standing member of the alien age. Like the longest running team member for us, like, you know, so it was like it was kind of almost like a father figure. Oh, you know, so it was very hard to come to terms with that.

And then we, we felt like this could be a song, you know, and it's so specific like when you listen to the song and you read the lyrics. You're like, oh, this is, this is very specifically about the like the very last time we saw him. Yeah, not knowing of course it would be the last dinner.

But I feel like that's such a powerful message because everyone has experienced grief.

So they'll be able to like transport themselves probably when they're like the last time they saw whoever it was to them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What is your favorite?

“Honestly, it's kind of a tie between two.”

And I think it's because it has to do with my son and then the fact that I was leaving Laurel Canyon to then live in Santa Barbara, like a way to change it. And I wrote, I basically wrote this song with AJ about like moving into this new house, this new space and it not feeling like a home. And feeling like I was kind of like summoning it to be this this place that I felt welcomed in. And not not like it had like bad jujury vibes.

I just was like, this isn't perfect. And this isn't right. And I want to change out this door knob. And my husband just like, okay, and I'm like pregnant and like nesting and I'm just like frantic. Like fix this is easy to be fixed.

And it just and I was like, you know what, this would be a good song. Like willing this to happen and to make this space. A home and I really love AJ's the way she sings the bridge on on that song. The song is called, I don't know what it is.

And and I think that song just whenever I listen to it, it's almost kind of healing because I'm finally at a place where the home doesn't feel.

Like a shell. Yeah, like a shell. It feels like, oh, this is a place that has good memories and I associate like my birth and I birthed in this living room right here. And this is, this wasn't traumatic. This was all kind of what I hope to would be.

So it's beautiful.

“Yeah, so I think it's like the the end story of it is really great.”

But it was very much me struggling to find my identity within the home. And then the other song that's like maybe equal to that is the song called "Dandelions," which is about Jack. And we kind of wrote this pre-hem being born, which is crazy. So we know he was coming. Knowing he was coming and that we wanted him to like have this message of hope and like whatever dreams we're not able to reach.

He is more than capable of reaching them himself, you know. That is hopefully each generation reaches more. Oh my god, how crazy and cool that you guys like one day like your son will get to watch you perform a song about him live and listen to it and have it forever. Like that's such a beautiful gift. I mean, that is the power of songwriting.

Yeah. I think the other thing about specifically songwriting and it's funny because I'm learning constantly about music we've actually already written. But I'm learning new things about what we've written after the fact like to me when a song takes on a new life. But it had a different meaning when you wrote it. Yes.

Like I don't know what it is. Now when I listen to that song and I picture your home, which you've now created from the ground up as like a beautiful nest. I'm like, whoa, this is so different than how we came out this song writing it. Thinking we're splitting up as sisters. We're no longer going to live in the canyon by each other.

We're like, what are we doing? We're going to be torn apart. And it's like, no, we're just shifting into other parts of our life after. Right now that song is like shows your growth. Yes.

Now your house is a home and now you're so happy. Right now you're going to love how songwriting teaches you something. But you wrote it. Like and you're later you're listening to it. It's kind of prosthetic in a way.

That's really cool. It is how songwriting is. It is.

“And I think with this record, there was so much like feminine energy around it.”

And I think part of that was me being pregnant. Yeah. But then part of that was us just going through the growing pains of like we are getting older. And we don't live down the street from each other. And we this like we aren't living in our childhood really anymore.

We're out of that. And we're not in our 20s anymore, which we just got reminded by an executive. Yeah. Yeah. Literally.

Stop. No. We went to have a meeting. Like I'm not with the label meeting. And they were like last week.

The note was like, we love the record. We think it's amazing. But like we're not here to break women in their 30s. We're like, we need to be like 21 or something. I was like, I'm 35.

I was like, I'm 33. I was like, we're still young as hell. And I was like, no, I'm reminded that we're not. After the meeting, she was like, I'm sorry. I just I have to kind of like, what not after the meeting.

I had a process after we had heard that it was a no. So it was like, you know, we did the meeting. And then it was like, you know, whatever it was. Two days later, it was like, oh, a call is coming. You know, and we're kind of going, okay.

Well, I went, I hope it's like positive. And then that was the feedback. And he was like, I just need to sit with this permanent.

Because I'm like, I've never even thought of myself as not being in the zeitgeist.

Right. And you're like, is the music good or not? Right. Like, what is happening with how old I am? And it's like, how many times do you think they've said that to a man?

Oh, yeah. I'm not trying to break a, what? I know. I know. But we're not horses.

And we're not horses. Yeah. You know, we broke it. And we broke it.

“And I mean, I think part of it was besides, you know, like you said,”

the fact that it's maybe not ideal age for breaking an artist, whatever. And the music industry. Um, I think part of it was also like the album was completed and done. They couldn't metal and change stuff. It was finished.

It's not like, hey, here's some demos. And they're like, oh, yes, we love track one. Yeah. No, to two, three and six. Change this sound.

And you're like, no. And they were like, you know, and we wouldn't maybe go down this route, like, sonically for you. I'm like, like us playing music and writing the music. Like, what do you mean?

Oh, yeah. So it was though a blessing that you guys did on your own. And you don't want to work with someone that doesn't want to like, well, doesn't want you in the way you are exactly at right now. Yeah.

Clearly, you guys said you have other records that you never put out.

This feels right to you. Yeah. So go with it. So go with it. It's, it's a message that that is very pure and what it is.

There's no, like, gimmick behind it. So they're not like, oh, I can, like, target itself. Yeah.

“It's hard to sell something because they're like, what's the step?”

And it's like, but just for sisters, we play music. We write, we've been doing this since you were young. But I think that's like the best part about you guys. Like, I have to say, growing up and listening to you guys. You have such incredible voices, but hearing you perform live at my tour.

I remember like, pinching my best friend, Lauren. Being like, their voices are so beautiful.

Like, literally you guys have such incredible voices.

And what I appreciate about you guys in about this album is actually more like, that it is real. It is obvious when people have not written their music. And when they're told to wear the certain thing and look the certain way. Just kind of like, you guys are describing you would go into meetings.

And you feel people trying to shift and mold you into something that you're not. And I think if people are looking for something in their life music wise, it's actually going to connect them to the real shit that they're going through. This is more of the album. I think like, people right now are more interested in than maybe who knows.

No, but sure. You can look top.

“But like, I really think that you guys are connecting to something that people are loving,”

which is authenticity. So it's exactly what you're showing me. Yeah, and I feel like people grab it towards that. You know, I guess. That's why this show works.

Yeah, it's authentic. Thank you to the truth. You can tell women talk and how we feel and how we communicate. We knew that was a missing piece. Yes, yes.

I think it's so exciting to see you guys back at it. And I think it also such a testament to like,

your ability to be critical of yourselves to be like,

we didn't put out certain albums because it didn't feel right. And we weren't. And so the fact that like this is all you. This was done at a very incredible vulnerable emotional time in both of your lives. Like, I think that the world is going to be so, so, so excited to hear and they're going to love it.

So I'm so excited for you guys. You are so lovely as human beings. I know we haven't spent that much time together. But like, I feel like I now know you guys enough to be like, Yeah.

You guys are real one. So thank you so much for taking the time during holidays and coming and sitting down with me. You guys are the best. Happy New Year. Happy New Year.

You could be a little sit. Oh, what? I'm running it on. I'm running it on. We look like we're leaving.

You are coming. I'm coming in. I'm going to put it on. Love you, too.