Orange is the New Fascist

So we're supposed to start the podcast.

Ready, one, two, three.

“Patriots, Patriots, Patriots, Black triets,”

Brown triets, triple trumpers, fascist, assholes, motherfuckers, can do what pumps. So go, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, I like that. I just have it up to my ears with all this craziness. Oh, good.

Tell us what you've had it with. Well, obviously, trump and the lying in the propaganda-- like, I fucking had it. Anybody who is not thinking, holy shit, the United States of America has fallen.

Our allies hate us, the rest of the world hates us, the only people that like us right now are Benjamin Netanyahu's a war criminal. We, the United States of America, are committing war crimes. What in the fuck is happening?

Well, I mean, this is exactly what happens when you elect a convicted felon, the media sane washed it. But let's just visit Benjamin Netanyahu. Have you seen all this shit about like he's dead? Yes.

And then there's all this like, AI's shit going online. And then he releases another video in another video, in another video.

And the public is always like, well, this one's AI.

Well, this one's AI. It's rings in this picture, but not in that picture.

“And I think the larger thing with all of that stuff is--”

I mean, I don't know if he's dead or not. I don't think it would really matter, because everybody likes to blame a lot of Israel's war crimes on Benjamin Netanyahu, but when you look at polling of that country-- I mean, he's been empowered this long for a reason.

And I think if he's gone, just like if Trump's gone, we all have to realize that there are these fascists, these war criminals, that are making their cultures worse, that are not keeping us safe, that are not prioritizing universal human rights, universal human rights.

And this is the biggest message that I have for everybody trying to navigate the news.

You get to, no matter what anybody says to you,

you get to care about Palestinians getting killed. You get to care about the attack on the synagogue and Michigan. You get to care about the Iranian girls that were killed by an American missile.

You get to care about the attacks in Australia where Jewish people were gathering on the beach. You get to care about the four Palestinians in the West Bank that were executed, a family of four, a mother, a father, a five-year-old, and a seven-year-old,

shot and head by the IDF. You get to care about all of these things. You don't have to pick aside. And by criticizing the IDF, doesn't make you an anti-symite, by supporting and giving empathy to the Jewish communities

that want safety worldwide. You get to care about all universal human rights. And I'm so fucking sick of the conflation. Number one, we get to criticize Israel. They're worthy of criticism.

Every other country in the world, every other leader in the world, gets criticized. That's what happens. And even if you decide to be an actor, we're podcasters. You get criticism.

And so I'm just so sick of that. But what we have is all of these autocrats that have lined up. Benjamin Netanyahu is a fascist, a war criminal, and murderous, homicidal, maniac dictator of the emphegree. I don't know if he's dead.

I don't know if he's alive. But I don't know that it matters a whole lot, just like if Trump were to drop dead. What does he incubate it here? Look at the cultural changes

where everybody's monitoring what everybody likes and doesn't like on Instagram instead of standing on business. You know, standing on business, I oppose Islamophobia. I oppose antisemitism. I oppose transphobia.

I oppose homophobia. I'm sick to fucking death of white people being racist to black people in the United States of America. Had it quit watching their football games, quit watching their basketball games,

quit telling them entertain me. And then telling them they can't have political opinions. And so it's very exhausting being alive right now. And it's very difficult to navigate all of this shit with these fascists.

But I want to offer our listeners. You get to care about all of these things.

“Universal human rights are the only thing”

that keep all of us safe.

If you start prioritizing one group over another, you leave everybody vulnerable, including the group you prioritize. Historically, this is all true.

- Yeah, well, here's the thing too.

I think that my frustration, I mean, number one white woman, obviously, my demographic. But I think why it triggers me so much is I used to be that person.

I used to be the person that said, if it doesn't affect me, why do I give a shit? And I was so narcissistic, I was so entitled, wrapped up in privilege that, because I'm white and sociotonomically stable,

then I get to have special privileges. And I guess it's like a non-smoker, I mean, at former smoker, now a non-smoker. I just, I see it everywhere, and it just reaches me. And I'm like, I know that you don't have empathy,

and I know you don't give a shit about anybody else, because I was you. And it's so fucking gross.

- Okay, welcome, I've had it, I'm Jennifer.

- I'm Angie. - Kylie? - Hi, I'm Kylie. - Hi. - Hi, Kylie, what's up?

- I've got two reviews for you, and I'm gonna start strong with a five star, titled one star with a winged face, and resting bitch placed rights. Hate to ruin the vibes,

but I just wanna say something after listening to the most recent episode. Jessica made a self-deprecating joke about having a platform and being an idiot. And I know it was said ingest,

but I can't even stand hearing it as a joke. You two are so obviously intellectually superior to the average and mainstream podcasters. That's actually what drew me to the show in the first place. As a woman, I was intrigued by two women working

in two of my dream career fields. And after listening for a while, I found you both to be nothing short of role models. The way you combine intelligence, humor, honesty, and absolute refusal to tolerate nonsense is rare,

and it's a huge part of why the show resonates with so many people.

Please never downplay how smart and thoughtful you both are.

It's one of the best parts of the podcast. Anyway, I've had it with self-deprecating jokes, keep doing exactly what you're doing. - That is so nice, resting bitch face. That is so really, really nice,

“but I think we will always view ourselves”

as somewhat idiotic because there is some truth to that. But I think the reason why the podcast resonates is, we really feel this. Like I have been around this cult of why evangelical Christianity,

and the only friend I had in my adult life that was that was pumps. And we would go through closeness and then I would be like, "Oh man, this is just a little bit too fucked up for me."

It's not that I'd pull back like three or four months, 'cause you should say some crazy shit. And so it's, you know, as she's sharing with you all about her deconstruction, I think that what is happening here

in the void of corporate media, being able to give you truthful reports, people are finding themselves an independent space as where people have conviction. And in a world where in a country

where conviction seems to be a rarity,

“I think that's why people are finding their homes”

in independent media spaces. - No, I agree. I agree with that. And I do think that here we are in the midst of all of this crap, and we've built this community,

and that's, I feel stronger because of it with all the people that listen and believe the truth and want to live in reality. It's very refreshing, obviously based on all the crazy shit. - Okay, now I'm gonna bring you down a peg

with a one-star title delusional and gullies go, right? So there are quite a few delusional podcasts out there, but this one is just over the top. Good for a couple laughs, and that's about all. - I mean, you know, I mean, for a one-star review,

I like that he committed a listen, he or she committed a listening to it long enough that they laughed, right? And the fact that they took the time, energy and effort to go craft a one-star review,

tells me the inverse of hatred is love, it might be a little bit of love there.

“So I think that's one that we might potentially be able”

to convert. - We can bring them over. - I actually saw a review, it was too long to bring onto the show, but it was like, this show sucked in the very beginning,

and it sucks even more now. - And it holds like, you have listened for three whole years, three plus. - And they've hated it the whole time. - I love that, that's a real dedication to hate.

because I don't hate anything that much,

should invest in that much time. So I kind of admire that's kind of aspirational hatred. - You know, really? - Fading the hate in the rage. - Oh, to put that much time into it.

I mean, that's really like, if you really want to be a hater, like that person could put on a clinic. - Seriously, that's impressive. - I thought so.

- Yeah. - Okay, I've got a new story that plays perfectly into your habits today,

“and I think a lot of our listeners will understand.”

And it's political depression is driving more people to the therapist's office. And it says it might look like traditional depression,

the same hopelessness, despair, and shut down,

but its source is different. Two thirds of respondents in a 2024 survey said they talk about politics or elections with their therapists and studies show political stress, takes a very real toll on people's mental and physical health.

- And this is where I would just disagree with the way that this article was framed. And I would say this is moral news. What we're witnessing right now is not political to me. What we're witnessing Trump do,

what we're witnessing Benjamin Netanyahu doing, it's not, I don't disagree with their political policy. I've fundamentally morally disagree with arbitrary murder. It's a moral issue for me. I've fundamentally disagree with scapegoating groups of people.

I've fundamentally disagree

“with the diabolical manipulative nature of propaganda”

and gas lighting.

I've fundamentally disagree with prioritizing bombing countries

over helping the people in your own country eat, get a livable wage, and get healthcare. So yeah, this, we gauge it as politics, but to me, my biggest thing right now is when somebody's speaking out just don't watch politics.

I'm like, well, then you're telling me you're a sociopath, because we're watching right now as a moral collapse, an absolute moral collapse, and how convenient that you can escape into your algorithm and just ignore it. I'm not capable of doing that, I'm just simply not.

- Yeah, I am part of that study because I do talk with the therapists about feeling so overwhelmed and like helpless and what is the future look like? So I'm part of that study.

I agree with you, it's way past politics at this point. - Okay, I've got one more story. This one is super interesting. It went really viral on TikTok,

“and it says Washington as an estate roasted for using AI”

feature with heavily accented English instead of actual Spanish on-state help line. And it says for months, colors to the Washington State Department of Licensing, who pressed two for Spanish, were greeted by an AI voice speaking English,

but in a heavy Spanish accent, the voice would say things like, "Please press UNO." And enter the last quattro digits of your social. It went viral on TikTok with nearly too many views before the state fixed it.

The woman who caught it said it was like a scene out of parks and wreck. And I've got a video of this recording that people would hear. - You have reached the drive for licensing service line. If you are calling about a vehicle or boat,

please press one. Please press one for English. (speaking in foreign language) So bowl. Thank you for calling the department of licensing test

for most of my business. (speaking in foreign language) - That's fucking crazy. That is crazy. - Yeah, is that verified that that,

but is that just TikTok verified or did that was that verified through a new source? - No, that's real. Multiple new sources, AP. - Really?

- How does that happen? - This is what happens when you just use robots in AI. And people found this funny. And a lot of people in the comments did find it funny, but it also was super problematic.

I mean, that's like a year or two, if you can't speak English, you literally could understand it. Just the incompetence is just raining down from every direction including AI.

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of $100 or more. - Okay, I've got some voice for those today. And the first one we're gonna start with is from Kevin. Hey, Jennifer, hey, Palm, say Kylie. Gaitry it from New York City here.

Here's what I've had it with.

I have had it with wireless headphones, Bluetooth. I don't want to have to charge my headphones. I want to be able to just plug a headphone into my phone or my device or whatever. And then listen to your fucking podcast

or music or whatever it is. I don't want to have to know if it's charged. I don't want to have to have it connect to my computer. And then oh, it has to connect to my phone. And then oh, I've lost one of my AirPods.

And then I can't find the right adapter for the old hole or the new hole or the three and a half millimeter headphone jack or whatever it is. Just give me a headphone that plugs into the new port on the goddamn iPhone.

And I don't have to charge it and then I will be happy.

- Yeah, that's it. Love your podcast, thanks, bye. - I completely agree with this. This came out that I have been right here. I am only wearing one because if you wear two,

I mean, they're super soft spoken or I'm screaming at the top of my lungs because of the noise canceling thing. I have no way to moderate the pitch of my voice. But this, all the electronic stuff, it's like,

it goes and it goes and it goes. And they keep advancing it to where now it's complicated. Like for example, the text messages on my cell phone have re-organized. And there's columns now for like people that I text

whose numbers are programmed. And I kept getting like phone calls like, I have sent you four texts. I'm like, I've not received your text. What it was in unknown, cinder text compartment.

And I'm just like, well, this doesn't help me at all because I don't, I want them all in one spot. And then I want to be able to like block the person, if it's spam or reported is spam. And so that's not helpful that they reorganize the text.

It's not helpful that we are all now forced to buy these because sometimes the plug in, I agree with him. It's better. You just plug it in and you have him in your ears, you know, I'm to worry about charging like,

when I'm on long flights like to go to LA to see my son, my ear pods die. I'm like, well, this isn't helpful if I had the ear pods that plugged in or ear pods, whatever the fuck they're called.

I could still be watching my show, but instead,

“I'm having to take out my earphones, charge them”

for like 15 minutes at a time, one at a time to try to keep watching my show have had it. No, I'm so happy to hear this from somebody other than myself because I find all the ear plugs and connecting to the phone, all of that.

I find that so difficult and frustrating. And I just thought it was me because I'm older, technologically challenged. So this gives me great comfort because I feel the exact same way. And I'm just going to go on record.

I know we've talked about it before. I'm so fucking tired of the different plug-ins for every Apple device. Get a plug-in, stick with it. I'm fucking had it with that.

I agree. And I also think that there's a racket. I think this has been proven before and that we're supposed to have fixed it. But now the new iPhones out, like there's the iPhone Air. And the minute a new iPhone drops,

then my battery on my current phone starts draining so fast.

“It's a total racket that Tim Cook is in on”

where they just, these tech companies are the worst. I mean, these people are like monsters. And I read this article recently that the people and Silicon Valley, they used to be so far left. Now they're moving really far to the right.

These are the people that want AI and regulated. And all this shit, Peter Teele, you know, talk about fucking freaks, they're all freaks. And here's my thing about these billionaires. Like, they have all this money.

And they just act like they're so oppressed. Like, oh my God, they're going to tax me in California. So I'm going to pack my toys up and move. It wouldn't even affect your life at all. There's no sense of appreciation for the country

that allowed such a D regulated unfair capitalism for them to succeed and for others to fail and suffer. There's no appreciation for the state and the customer base that they built it in. It's just like just on a whim,

I will move to Florida, I will move to Texas. Good luck living in those red states. Good fucking luck. Have fun with kitten heels and that nut governor and Ted Cruz have fun with Ted Cruz and Texas.

And just, and no disrespect to people that live in Florida in Texas, I was born in Texas. But I just have had it with these billionaires.

And then here's what's going to happen.

Those red states that have these really tax-friendly policies. They're going to end up having a multitude of problems and budget deficits because of this. And then these billionaires will pack their shit up

and move again because they're so fucking entitled. They think everybody in the entire world has to do everything to serve them because they're rich. And I just don't think that. No, I agree that I would much rather

hang out with a person who makes minimum wage, working at 7/11, 12 times out of 10 that I would hang out with any of these fucking moronic sociopathic billionaires. But great, and here's the thing.

It's so interesting to me that they think they're so smart. Like, I have so much money, so I'm so smart. So I get to tell everybody else what to do. It's like, they think that they're-- they've elevated them staff.

“Their status to like a deity or a dimma clock, I think.”

I agree. Aren't Kylie who's next? Before I kick you, I just want to say I've seen rumors that the next iPhone, they're thinking of having no ports. No charging ports, nothing.

Well, you'll have two. They're all sitting around, circle jerking, pulling stuff out of the parking lots. And it's getting too complicated. The technology isn't too complicated.

You know what I just heard recently? I heard Sam Altman, that demon queen that owns UPT, right? So he said, well, the way I see the future is artificial intelligence is going to be like a utility service. Like, we're going to provide--

so basically, what this mother figure is doing.

He's taking Google, the internet, plus critical thinking,

or deduction skills that human brains have. He's bottling it up and packaging. All of the shit that we've all done. And then he's reselling it to you. Something that you could Google and use even a moderate IQ

to crack the case on shit. It's so insane how crazy is. And this is the guy who also said he can imagine raising kids without AI. Just like you-- really?

And you're like one of the smartest people on the planet and you can't figure out a raise a kid. It's like genetically-encoded and darn DNA how to do this. Like, literally, when I was pregnant, I was like, how am I going to do this?

And you have the baby and you just fucking know what to do? Just, no, it's genetically-encoded. How to grill as no, in the zoo, because it's genetically-encoded. How to mama dogs no, it's genetically-encoded.

But this mother-fucker, he has to consult AI as to how to raise a kid.

Even though I was a child and I experienced

“this human experience and I've watched and read all of these books”

in this body of evidence, I have no fucking clue unless I consult with this fucking moronic robot that I invented that now I'm going to package and resell to people. I hate these people. I hate these people.

These don't hate these fuckers enough. I mean, it's the truth. We need-- these people are fucking awful. Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Lauren Sanchez, all of them. Newtored Mark Zuckerberg.

All these people hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein, they're gross. Here's one thing. Jeffrey Epstein was a total prick, rapist, all the things.

He knew when he had all of those oligarchs having dinner,

he snapped a picture of it and he held it to himself. Yeah, that's just pretty telling to me. That's pretty telling.

“Well, yeah, oligarchs had dinner with him”

after he played a guilty to being a pedophile. They all begged to be in his presence. Elon Musk was begging to get invited to the wild party. That's the thing. He knew how fucked up his shit was

and he wanted to bring every person down with it. And these people that think they're so smart, everybody should tower to them, they're so stupid. They fell for it. Yeah, and birds of a feather agree.

We just had the Oscars recently and Elon Musk tweeted that he couldn't watch because he's not going to watch a bunch of pedophiles.

That means, okay, here's the thing.

Elon Musk's step siblings and his siblings accused his biological father of being a pedophile, of sexually abusing them. Elon Musk embarrasses and humiliates himself in the Epstein files.

Elon Musk outed Donald Trump properly.

“You will never get the full release of the Epstein files”

because Trump is in them. You know, he nuked Trump on this thing. And clearly, the president of the United States in my opinion has done sexual assault with underage people and was best friends

with Jeffrey Epstein because Jeffrey Epstein didn't have friends. He was a spy that had assets that he was working, that he was manipulating. And Donald Trump was one of those people. And the American evangelical white mega church people

that still support this shit are the biggest political liability. The most morally bankrupt people on the planet go to speaking of grifting and capitalism, go to the I've had it give shop on our website. And we have shirts that say boycott mega churches.

And in the Trump era, all the shit that I have to think about boycotting, I'm telling you, as a messenger from a red state, mega churches are the incubator of all of this hatred, of all of this shame, of all of this hypocrisy,

of the permission structure to forgive pedophiles. And let me just say this to every listener of this podcast. If you're Christian light and you go to church, you think, well, my mega church is great because we have a couple of gay guys

and there's a black couple that comes every week too. And the black couple's even gay. So we're so woke. If your mega church pastor is not screaming from the pulpit, about egregious war crimes, about little girls

and a Ron getting shot with a Tomahawk missile. If your mega church pastor is not talking about wealth and income inequality, if he is not talking about the greed and the exploitative nature of the billionaire class, because there's one thing that this atheist knows.

'Cause when I, after being pitched and pitched and pitched, evangelical Christianity by the most morally bankrupt people I knew in my life personally, I read the words of Jesus, the central character of Christianity.

He spoke out exclusively against the accumulation of wealth. It is not kind of hinted at, it is explicit. And then you have all of these evangelical preachers to speak out exclusively about the accumulation of wealth, which is antithetical to their Lord and personal saver

that they will not shut the fuck up about trying to recruit everybody to go to their mega church, to give them more money so the mega church can grow. It's unbelievable these churches. One of the most insidious I talk about this a lot,

looking at live churches, 25 locations. And here's the biggest grip to the whole thing. Each location does have its own pastor. No, they have a television screen where the main guy is broadcast everywhere.

And guess what this, their social media account did.

in Butler attempted assassination, they post support for Trump.

They never post support for the people.

The Trump goes into rural Oklahoma

“where the church is based and lies to them.”

And tells them I care about you. I care about your suffering. They don't, these big church, everybody's bad as big pharma. It's everybody's bad as the military industrial complex.

It's almost worse, it's almost the most insidious. - Well, I agree with everything you said, because I am absolutely, I was in on all of it. I was raised like that into my adulthood. I did, you know, this was not like something I did at 12.

I kept, I kept it moving for decades. And let's be honest, I didn't have the skills to critically think into a well into adulthood. I mean, I can't wear. (laughing)

But I mean, like, I could do like academic stuff. But when you applied it to my life, I was incapable. - She was. I'm just telling you guys, it was crazy

because we were raising our kids and then her life falls apart and would be seeing my front porch change smoking. And I remember her saying,

“and like the whole life is falling apart,”

I remember this so vividly. She goes, well, I'm just so happy that my kids are safe. It's like, it's like Jesus and God, like had these angels come and put barbed wire around my children.

- Yes. - And I said to her, I remember all the visuals about the barbed wire and these angels with barbed wire was kind of fucking weird to me from job. But then I was like, but your kids aren't safe.

Well, no, they are. I mean, my prayer worked there at least. And I said, well then, okay, let's say your kids are safe. Why are your kids safe? But the kids who live in the black part of town

that are overpleased, why are they not safe? She snapped, just moved her head straight at me

and I'll never forget it.

She goes, maybe God just likes me more than he likes them. And I was like, are you serious right now? Did you just say that? I mean, she just like, maybe he just likes me more. And I was like, yeah, he loves me serious.

And she was like, no, I'm dead serious. He just likes me more. And it was just like everything was completely shut down. God likes Angie more, right? Rebedy else and so her kids are safe

and everybody else's kids can go back to themselves. - That's exactly what it is. I mean, so imagine that by the millions, that's a Trump voter. I mean, I will give you this

for all of your crazy Christian stuff. You were never a Fox Newsor, which I think saved you. Probably. You didn't sit around and you didn't like,

you weren't political at all.

I never used to be political.

- Why would I bother? Because I was so above the free. I was chosen. Nothing bad was happening. Other people's problems working in my life, Jennifer, come on.

- All right, who's the next caller? I've really done one caller. - What's really done one? - We are just gas bags. - I mean, once I see here's the thing.

Once you start talking about this mega churches, I can fucking go to town. I can rip it because I lived around it. I see the moral depravity of it. I see the way these people treat minorities,

LGBTQ+ people, and it makes me fucking crazy. I'm so glad you got out of that pumps, 'cause I don't think we'd have a podcast. - Same. I'm so glad that I got out of it.

- Are you happy? - I'm so much happier. I feel so much stronger. I feel like I have a direction. I don't feel aimless.

No, everything about us is. - Are you still terrified of your mother? - Interestingly, I am, but not near as much. Not near as much. I mean, that is evolving.

“I'm gonna ask you this, does she know your anathias?”

- If she does, she is ignoring it. But here's the deal. Denial in the way I grew up. That is just part and parcel of life. So if it's an inconvenient truth,

and you don't wanna believe it, you just don't. You just don't. So that was generational in my family. So I think she would, even if she did, she would ignore it.

And you just would never discuss it. - Okay, now that I say that. Yeah, I think she would ignore it because she doesn't wanna know, okay. - What are you gonna do?

'Cause I remember last year, Easter. - Yeah. - Your mom asked you to go to church, and it's an anti-gay, I went on the website of it. It is explicitly very anti-gay,

very homophobic, very hateful church. And I said to you, how can you do that? How can you go when we have so many LGBTQ+ audience members?

I don't care, it's just easier for me to go. - Yeah, 'cause that is one of the best. - Still in there, like that fear of your mother. Where are you this year on Easter? Let's role play.

I'm Judy, okay, okay, I'm gonna call you. Okay, ring ring, you have to say hello. - Hello, hello. And you, are you gonna,

“the kids gonna go to Easter worship with us on Sunday?”

- Okay, here's the thing.

I have actually role played this by myself. - You're fighting out of character. - You're out of character right now, that's okay. - Okay, be you, I'm your mom. - Okay, I just asked you any question.

- Mom, thank you for the invitation, but I cannot feel good about myself if I go to a place that I know number one is not for all human rights that has racist overtones at every turn.

And I cannot sit in a room full of people that I know voted for Donald Trump over 90%. Seeing what he is doing to U.S. citizens and abroad, I can't feel good about me if I go. So I'm not gonna be able to go.

- Well, I voted for Donald Trump. Do you think I'm a bad person? - Yes, I've asked you specifically and you feel about the treatment of migrants and you act like it's fine.

So I do think you have an empty problem and I've told you that on several occasions that it makes me really sad that you can't have empathy for other people. - Okay, then I don't know what she would say after that.

What do you think she says after that?

If you, because it's gonna be the first time

you're 57, how old are you? - You're 60. - 56, fuck off. - Oh, sorry, 56. He said nearly 56, and like 28 days.

Okay, so 56 years old. This is really, it's really fascinating. And it's so, I think some of the, one of the more helpful conversations nationally. You tell your mother no for the first time in your life

because that religious control, the mind control of religious authoritarian parents is so massive, which sets the psychological soil by the way, authoritarian parents, that the cycle for people to fall prey to authoritarian governments.

So you tell your authoritarian mother no, you're not gonna go. What does she do? - Christ. Victim immediately. - Christ, I don't think she'd feel like a victim.

“I think she'd feel like I was going to burn and help,”

but she would start crying immediately. So it'd be the emotional blackmail kind of situation. But I just, and what do you do when she does that? That's stressful pumps, but you're used to it. - That's part and parcel.

That's just, it doesn't, yeah. - Yeah, I, I, I would not knock down. It's like, I'm so proud of you. - Yeah. - No, I was, such, I was playing this for a year.

I've been doing this in my head for a year

because I was like, I'm never going, I can't go back.

I just makes me too uncomfortable. Where do they do in the hand praise, did they do the hand praise? - No, they didn't do that. If they did I didn't notice it, but I'm not saying they didn't,

I personally didn't notice it. - You know what, atheists call Easter. - What? - Happy zombie day. Zombie Jesus said, 'cause I mean,

he's thinking about it, he was dead for three days. So the decomposition in the desert. - Yeah, it's pretty intense. And so then you think about him raising and everybody seeing it, decompose.

And this is the level of blasphemy for that if you're an atheist or agnostic, you're very comfortable with, but some people would be like, oh my God,

“she's so crazy, but I think the whole story's crazy.”

It's like not believable to me. Just listen, of course it isn't. - You guys in Oklahoma in my neighborhood, people put yard signs up for Easter, and they say he is risen.

- All over. - All it is risen, it's in front of business, everything. - Yeah, he is risen. - I forgot. - And then the Jesus that they worship,

the capitalist supply side Jesus, like if Jesus did exist, the brown Palestinian Jew, Jesus would be so mortified at all of these freaks in the Bible belt, and their weird worship of him,

and how they've white-washing into this area and business man. - I'm just telling you, it would be like I was shocked when I saw a picture that Jesus wasn't white. It just the way it was preached to me, he was white. - Well, I mean, all of the Christian arts,

I feel like I saw it as even though I wasn't raised in church,

because my family was culturally Christian, like we celebrated Easter, we celebrated, not didn't go to church, and we had like Easter baskets and Easter eggs. We celebrated Christmas, we didn't go to church,

but we had gifts. So we do all the Christian holidays, I for sure thought he was white. - I grew up in white suburban Oklahoma City, I thought for sure he's white.

- Yeah, attractive, blonde hair, blue eyes, kind of what they do with Trump. Now those photoshoot pictures of Trump is here, there's a little longer, and he has like the muscles and stuff,

they kind of Jesus tell him a little bit. - They do this, that same group of people does this. - Yeah, I guess it's their idealized male, right? - Yeah, exactly, I mean, obviously Trump is the idealized male.

- Fucking A, my God, he's so gross. - Kylie, did you leave us? - If I may, if you are like pumps until your parents, you don't wanna go to Easter, and you're in Atlanta, we have a show that weekend,

and we'll house you. I think we have a couple tickets, they could still come.

“- So that's how people, here's the deal.”

- Yeah, I'm not gonna get to have that conversation with my mother. - You start keeping it? - No, I started doing it, but it just, it kind of takes, but here's the topic.

- Yeah, it does. Let me ask you this, will she make your kids go? - No. She will, will she ask them and will they go? - She'll ask them, no, not if I don't.

I don't think so. - You guys, this is big, it's like the biggest growth I've seen in you to be able, it is.

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'cause I've gone over this in my head a million times.

Well, technically we're on Saturday. So you could fly back and make it. So you can still tell her no. Okay, go. Okay, I'll just have to do that.

I can't do this. I'll just have to do that. I'll just have to do that. I'll just have to do that. I'll just have to do that.

No.

“Don't you have to, don't your parents do the video church”

where you have to watch it with them? No, well, that's what growing up. Once we went to the mega church, once it was built in so order, you watch the TV. People gather all over the country

and they build things to watch the same TV.

That's, you know, that is a really brilliant graft.

I have to get it to him. He doesn't even have to hire people. Truly, like, he doesn't even have to hire a pastor that he pays insurance to, that he gives a 401k to. He literally buys one TV screen one time.

And then he just duplicates himself. It's really like that graft is really next level. And I know what we need to do. Not the narcissism in I am only one creature. And I can be duplicated all over.

I mean, it's really, if you want to be a fucked up, evangelical grifter, Craig Rochelle has-- I mean, he has it down. Like, that is really aspirational grifting. I know what we should do for tour.

We should go on a nationwide tour. You never have to leave. Oh, my god, you're home. We'll set up a TV. Oh, my god, that is kind of brilliant.

That's, see, that it's syncopot the four days of that. Think about the arrogance. If we sold tickets to this Atlanta show. But at the same time, we had 25 other venues that we sold tickets for and the people walked in

and they were just a screen. It was just the fact that the guy has 25 churches and nobody thinks how little he must think of them. Because I would expect our fan base to be like you, your narcissistic twats, sold tickets,

and you're broadcasting your Atlanta show. What-- who the fuck do you think you're

“in the fact that this guy does this without criticism?”

Tells you, it's a cult. And then on top of it, during our live show, we pass it back, a basket around. We're like, oh, so donate more. Donate more.

To have had it. I tell you what, it's a good deal. We can get it down to pay taxes. Thank you, all of this political power. But here's the sad part.

And this is where it passes. This is where I think next year. This is what you move into. All right. I think there is going to be a huge need for people

as old as you to very young and even older than you, which there are a few, probably. That have deconstructed their faith. She's flipping me off, listener. Who have deconstructed their faith and need guidance

and community, much like people who are getting sober, need a sense of community. And I think you specifically can speak to the damages of these hate academies that are a part of the mega-church boom of the '80s and all of these schools that hopped up.

And I think that, you know, in your daughter so politically active and into studying therapy, I think there's something that could be really, really helpful. Because you were in it, you were inside the desk star. You were in it, all of your adult life, all of your childhood,

and then you reversed course and you're happy. I just, I think there's going to be a huge need outside of all the political shifts that's happening for the people who have been brainwashed and abused by these mega-churches to find support groups.

“I'm sure it probably exists, but I think you should start”

the best one. I think you'd be great at it. Well, here's the, I agree with you. It's so needed. It's just, I wonder, somebody else would have to lead it

because I'm still trying to fight my way out of it. You know what I mean? Like, I'm so close to you would be in a tindi. I would be in a tindi. Like, I would love to say, oh, yeah, I've figured it all out.

I'm aces, but I still feel like I'm packing staff all the time from it. And maybe that's just how it is. Maybe that's just, you know, like, do you feel that highly entertaining is part of the progression?

We had a little bit different.

I never got sucked into it.

That's the thing that happened with my mom. Like, she was a little her mom was, people were like, how was your mom in atheists? And I was like, she just, she didn't buy it as a child. She was, all the hell fire donation was threatened on her.

So she took the best of the library all the time and started reading about it and like, like, at 12. I mean, she's like in the library, because then she lived in Dallas.

“But I think that the years in it would be far more damaging,”

so I appreciate that you're still taking it. Because I think, yeah, I appreciate that you're so growing from it, because it's, I mean, it's a problem. Yeah, with the huge problem. And your kids, though, your kids kind of like Kylie,

it a very young age, kind of rejected it, right? Yeah. Yeah. It, I just, I don't know, maybe it's because I wasn't as, I mean, like, I didn't have this control over my kids

like my mother had of me, I don't think.

I think they were, like, critical thinking and questioning

authority of any kind, was just not something I did growing at. I just didn't. Well, I think your mother's the classic textbook, authoritarian parent. Yeah.

I mean, it's just authoritarian parenting. Well, I just remember like when we were grown adults, we were 30, you were probably 40, and I was 30, somewhere in that range. And like, 35, not just flat 30, but anyway.

And anyway, we're at your house, and we are in your backyard smoking cigarettes. And your mother just showed up, doesn't knock nothing, which I thought was kind of weird, that she, like, didn't allow you your adult autonomy

of your home. But I mean, you know, sometimes, you know, parent, but even my parents, I always ring with the doorbell, but she races, and she sees pumps smoking. She completely melts down.

She starts bawling, crying, screaming at the top of her lungs to Angie, point in her finger. Grab to cigarettes, put some under the water. And again, we're like grown adults with children. And it was just like this complete meltdown.

And then she had to lie to her mother for years about hanging out with me, because I refused her invitation to Bible study, right? But I mean, like, how wide? And then the smoking.

And then the funny thing about the whole thing is, her religious, most religious friends, total chain smoker, the one. And, okay, you can delete that part. But she's like the biggest chain smoker on the planet.

But if she, for your mother, gets a pass on everything, which is of the beliefs and Jesus thing.

I was always the number one.

But that's what I'm saying.

“That's like, that's why denial is such a part of it.”

Now, I was shaking. I remember I was shaking, like physically. Remember? Yes, I remember. And then she storms out.

And I remember thinking, this is wild. Like my mother would have been like, Jennifer, you know, smoking's terrible for you. It's gonna age you. She won't be about cancer.

I'd be like, Jennifer, you know, these cigarettes are gonna age you prematurely. I just think you're such a darling girl. You don't wanna, you don't wanna look like an old shriveled up smoker.

That would have been her purpose of telling me, you vanity purposes. And I know mom, I know it's bad. I'm gonna quit. I'm gonna quit.

And that would have been the end of it. But it was like the super disproportionate, crazy as thing. It's really wild. I'll remember it, Viffa.

But she still do that kind of stuff with you. Have you, have your boundaries gotten better? No, the boundaries are a lot better. That's not good. - That's not good.

- Again, I haven't seen her all the time. - The toe, toe, toe, toe, toe. Coming out. Did she know you've a? - Now, but at this point, I wouldn't care if she did.

I wouldn't do it in front of her out of respect. But I'm just like, sorry. I mean, I don't try to hide it like I used to. That makes sense. - Yeah, I totally get,

but I also understand your point of like, why poke the bear if it fins her. Like, I totally get that. I'm just like, I totally get not even falling for it. Or, right, right.

- Yeah, I totally, I don't think that's, I totally, I think that's respectful. And you don't want a big drama about it. I got drama about so much. - All right, Kylie, do you have anything else to add about,

any of these things? - I don't, I feel like you've said it all. Gas bags. Gas bags. - Yeah.

- What is the mega church? What does the mega church think about the gaze? - I tell.

“- Here's the thing, a lot of them don't say it out loud,”

like the one that I had to,

and I never heard them even mention gaze in my memory.

But they have ways of, I think not being in support, especially in the church, that's your very clear outright, non-support. - A totally excess. - Yeah, yeah, it's like subliminal kind of.

- Yeah, 'cause that's when everyone assumes. So unless you speak out against it, that's where you stand.

- Okay, I think that's all we have.

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