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But what if we didn't get the whole story?

"It has been made to fit." "The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapsed." What if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe? Oh my god, I think she might be innocent. Listen to doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm Clayton Eckard, in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's "The Bachelor."

“But here's the thing, Bachelor fans hated him.”

"If I could press a button and rewind it all I would." That's when his life took a disturbing turn. A one-night stand would end in a courtroom. The media is here, this case has gone viral. "The dating contract."

"A great adate me, but I'm also so suing you." This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. I'm Stephanie Young, listen to Love Trap on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the on-purpose podcast. I'm joined by Luke Combs, award-winning country music artist,

and one of the most authentic voices in music today.

"The guy that says he's always going to be there and that will do anything to be there is the only guy that's not there."

"No matter what, I'm going to prioritize my wife and my children. I dread the conversation with my son." "Listen to on-purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts." "This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall."

“In 2018, the FBI took down a ring of spies working for China's Ministry of State Security,”

one of the most mysterious intelligence agencies in the world. The sixth bureau podcast is a story of the inner workings of the MSS, and how one man's ambition and the stakes opened its vault of secrets. "Listen to the sixth bureau on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts." "The greatest trick that the media played on society is that the FAFI was some dumb negro that went to Michigan."

"I was on a honor roll, I stayed there." "I was like the biggest trick, and we didn't have like social media, I can say nothing. I'm like, I'm on the dieseliz.

They're treating me like I'm some dumb negro."

"What up, y'all? Joe Crack, the dawn." "Your boy, Jay, the star, the star." "Every show legend, every show iconic." "Oh, start 20, 26. We got our brothers, our shamguard, genuine roles." "Excellent noise for them."

"The coming from where we come from, if you love basketball, you're..." "It's a lot of levels, the basketball, but we all know." "And the McDonald's, all American, is probably one of them." "Guys, things you can accomplish to me career as a high school kid." "I mean, playing amongst all the greats."

"We're gonna find out." "We're gonna talk to them about the film." "We're gonna have some fun today." "Is this a proper, we're gonna open this up some points." "Now, we got open that shit up."

"We got eight things." "Open that shit up a lot to celebrate about." "So, I just have to say this." "Because this is actually crazy."

“"I think I'm the oldest person up here."”

"I'm older than you, Krat. I tell you one thing." "If you older than me, definitely, you've been reborn at time." "Thank you." "You think you want to box?" "You said, Joe, I'm not ready for that."

"You might as well make money off to get high in your own supply." "I got a different one." "Tend in CBS, Sally." "Stop and shop." "No, I got a plan, Joe. I got me a couple of stuff."

"I'm gonna do." "Yes, I have a plan of working on beauty products." "And stay tuned." "That's why I got love for you." "I ain't known, I thought you was missing out."

"No." "But I have to say this." "I really have to say this." "Like, this is like real film." "Like, I love you."

"You didn't like that." "You didn't like that." "This ain't no Hollywood, like, friendship, relationship, friendship." "Like, I've been in Miami at three in the morning."

"And he's saved my life." "Really talk." "Like, I have the jaded kiss bust for the Hall of Famous." "He don't even have." "Because he gave it to me."

that have a show that I'm on their show and they've both been on my show." "That's the fact."

“"Right, you know, we got jerked by mellow."”

"I did mellow show." "That motherfuckin' won't come to us." "No." "I can't." "He's curving us."

"He's curving us in the home of the turban." "And so to see you guys doing your show." "Yeah, chillin' the dog." "And this is their first live show." "Give it up for 'em."

"This is their first live show." "Give it up for 'em." "And I gotta say this about you." "Like, the sham guy moving basketball is the equivalent of, like, wearing shorts." "Like, it really is."

"Like, that's the real thing." "And how you develop players." "You're an incredible coach."

"And you've always stayed 10 toes down."

"Like, we love you, brother." "You know, everybody up here, family with me." "Like, Joe knew me when I was young." "Me and kids practically grew up together with the large children of the corn." "And they came and all of us."

"So me and kids been down." "Since the 15 years old, 14 years old."

“"None of each other hanging out and stuff like that."”

"So just to see their growth." "And then Joe's went from being a terror to everyone." "To the stuff that he's doing now is amazing." "And like, Joe knows." "He the first person I hit up."

"He would don't even know." "He the first person I told that JB was going to be good for his next." "Well, he asked me." "He said, "Hey, if jailing going to be good." "And I was like, I don't know if the team is going to be good."

"But I know jailing is going to be steady." "And he's going to be consistent." "And my brother, jailing did way more than either one of us could imagine." "So, you know what I'm saying?" "Yeah, Joe always had a relationship."

"And since I was young, you know, Joe always did amazing things."

"For the hood and stood up for against people in the hood." "So like, there's always love." "And like I said, kisses my brother." "No jailing roses." "What do you say about him and the fight for?"

"For the " Ledger." "You know what I'm saying?" "So like, he got his own thing." "And Detroit, like I had in New York."

“"He was in the streets and went to the NBA."”

"And did his thing and changed the whole culture." "And his five-five brothers." "Thank you, brother. I appreciate that." "So I have a Joe and Jay to question." "Because these are my actual brothers."

"Joe, I got to ask you a question." "Mr. Crack." "When did you get nice?" "Nice to one." "You're a nice human being now."

"Yes, yes." "Yes, yes." "You're a thoughtful, you're intelligent." "Yes, yes." "You're well-dressed."

"Why do you believe him?"

"I believe I was always a nice guy."

"I always had a current heart and everything." "It's just we grew up with such a tough environment." "Growing up that you had to be tough." "Because you even was predator." "You were sprayed."

"That refused to be great." "It was bullied a lot." "But no one was young kids." "So I had to grow into that." "It's different."

"So I don't want to disrespect hip hop." "But it was like, you meet somebody." "All right, I want to meet this rap." "This is my man two times a Mac." "He can double life."

"He came home on an appeal." "Like you like." "He ain't no B.A.S." "He's a master's in hip hop." "You just beat the craziest motherfuckers."

"This guy." "You're 46 guys." "He's my new role manager." "So you had no choice." "What to be tough."

"In the hip hop." "And so, you know, this shit forced me." "But I always was looking for a way to be nice." "And always be my self." "And at the beginning, I ain't going a lot of it."

"We were standing there. If I fuck with Jay the kids. If I fuck with Fab, if I fuck with Big E. If I fuck, we were standing in the club." "And stare at each other and just be like."

"Nobody is saying not that." "Like you're just looking at me like." "Even like, thank God now we can show our personality." "And shit like that." "So, for Jay the..."

"My other brother." "It's not the sweet, luchous fouls team." "I'm sorry, brother, too." "You've been sharing a lot." "Like, I love seeing people wearing the shirt now to hat now."

"Because sometimes it takes time for people to catch up." "So, I have to ask you top five, DOA. "That's now doing podcasting and expressing yourself about the industry and current events." "Like, what made you decide that this was the opportunity for you to express yourself in this space?"

"Because you're like top secret."

"Like the locks are like..." "Like..." "So, about..." "You're all saying family." "It's all about growth."

"You know?" "He probably..."

“"In the state of where the world is right now."”

"People want to hear authentic stories." "From people that lived it, or people that've been through." "It had, in fact, it was supposed to do something." "He hasn't been going. He's been banned out."

"I've got to be mad as hell of people." "Hey, your name is actually crap." "Yeah, but it wasn't crap." "You know, it's so crap." "But..."

"It wasn't because it's so crap." "But normally, like, he, Sam, got because of his handle." "You're a crack."

"Well, I'm crack because the crack of my ass."

"You should be sure." "And the girls are telling you..." "You should be sure." "And then get out and meet the angel." "Joke."

"Joke." "Joke." "Joke." "Oh, hold on." "I stopped cussing like 20 years ago."

"That's gonna be it, Joe."

“"It's not because you stood up one time.”

You crack your ass or showin' it class." "I'm telling you." "That is not your telling me, but I saw you." "That's not..." "It's not..."

"Specally I caught Spike Lee on a flight to LA." "And I talked the whole in this head for six hours." "Cause Spike changed my life." "Yeah." "Do we got any more flags?"

"Yes." "That is re-up." "Yeah, but I have to go." "Titi, Jake's on her show." "I know what you know that we know why your nickname is crack."

"Do you realize it?" "No, the feds is wise." "Okay." "Let me tell my bullshit story, I..." "Okay, cool."

"So I convinced Spike Lee." "You know, let me try out for this show." "He has...she's got to have it on Netflix." "And..." "And..."

"When I went to try out, I made it." "And so before I could do it, could you know?" "Specally missed the pro-black, missed the conscious." "He brought me in front of his whole staff." "He may be explaining why my name was crack."

"I was like, you know, I'm a junior high school. I always been fat."

"By the way, I always been fat, Joey."

"Since birth." "Okay, I've never been skinny in my life. I've been fat, Joey." "One year or two, years or three, they always been fat, Joey." "It's so..."

"You know, I would get up to go race up on the board and junior high in the girls." "We're like, "It's Joey crack."

“"So that's how I got the name, Joey crack."”

"When I explained it, you could see the whole staff." "Bike Lee's staff was like, "Ah." "All right, he could sold it." "Yeah, sold it." "Okay."

"Okay." "Don't hold it in taundra." "Okay." "Okay." "If you want to believe that, fine."

"Congratulations." "We love you." "Yeah, Jane and Rose were enthusiastic." - Hey, kid. - Man, got the sharpest line. I gotta go to Turkey to get some shit.

Like, you got that fucking shit. They do that shit. That's the cut of motherfuckers. - I got that shit. - I got that shit. - You got the shit. You got your fucking paper cut.

You fuck with that shit. I'm gonna watch that shit on TV, I say. Man, in there got the sharpest line I ever seen there. Fucking world. - A mini cut, you get a week. So the craziest thing for public consumption

is I literally just get a haircut before you all see me. It's nothing special. Like, I knew I was gonna be able to do that. - Don't know, you can see that. - You got a haircut today. - You cannot get rid of that bulb.

- You're barbie Lee. - I won't. - The second, you try? - Go, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. - I won't. - Let me tell you something, I see it all the time, I got a problem.

- I have the serious problem, I'm gonna shop for Hollywood. - What did I do now, Jada? - And it's saying that. - If I've seen that, hand movement, I'm already like, oh, abuse. Like I see the head go up, I'm thinking,

I'm getting a flag for the, but you know, I like shopping and shit, and I've got a real big problem. - But they told me, yo, the really, you don't dress, they're gonna say you fell off, like a real motherfucker, you better keep blowing that back,

'cause yo, let me tell you something, you try to, (laughing) So, hey, hey, so, I love y'all show, I watch y'all show each time. So, I would love to ask y'all a couple of questions.

we love history stuff.

- Don't hang me, don't hang me.

- No, don't hang me, don't hang me, okay, cool. - I got one question, I got one question, so. - JJ, JJ. - I got one question 'cause we all grew up together. So, people I don't know,

like, Jada, 'cause play basketball, at least shoot us, still 'cause shoot now.

“When did you say you was born from playing basketball to rapping?”

I know when Mason came to it, 'cause I was with him every day, but when did you go from that rapping? - I got all the wrong letters. (laughing) - The wrong students?

- I got letters that it was, it's right. - So, let's see what's going on. - And college, yeah, I'm like, yeah. (laughing) - The junior, the junior, the junior,

all the time, five, six, six, seven. - I got no one to fold. - I was a little bit taller, little bit faster.

I probably never would have went in the booth,

but God didn't bless me with those things, so I had to figure something outside. - Well, just like a ball player for y'all, y'all just is right next to the prompts to say, indoor or whatever, and so,

I heard about these guys, so maybe we're done y'all. And names like y'all, these guys, they call the ball box. - Just like basketball, we're here for y'all. - They call the player, they just like y'all these guys, call the ball box, and I'm like the ball box,

and it was like y'all, they did nice, and a couple of the times I drove by, they used to hang out at this gas station. So I would ride by and I'd be like, and they were like, yeah, that's the, that's the wall.

(laughing) And then they just blew the fuck up. You know, it's like that when you hear somebody's name, you know what's crazy is, something in the basketball, step on ball, Barry, you know,

he grew up in the projects from Coney Island. I wanna know if this happened to you. He said, he'd be outside 10 years old, 10. Dribbling in the park, and he would see like white men just standing there watching them.

And he's in the middle of the hood. And white men would be over there looking at him at 10 years old, 11 years old, 12, and he was like, yo, they was to scouts, and they knew when I was 10 years old, I was going to the fucking league.

- Yeah, because he's got for a little bit richer. - Because he had, because he had, you know, he had three brothers that played, and they didn't really make it. So they put everything in them.

“So that's why we ain't like, argue me about stuff.”

It's hard for me to really even understand the argument because like when, when I start playing basketball, I didn't start playing basketball, I moved to Harlem, so I started playing basketball late, like 11, 12, and it was so crazy 'cause me and stuff used to hang out.

And I'm like, this dude is the number one, seven of greater in the world. And I'm like, man, I'm not even 200 in New York City. (laughing) He's the one in the world.

- In the world. - He's like, how's he that much better than me, so that, he like forced me to work out every day. And then my senior year, when we published the 12th grade, we both got co-played a year.

Then I got to number 15 in the country. But you know, while we had made the McDonald's or American game, and it's so funny because when I was in the ninth grade, my coach was just like, hey, what you wanted to do, and I was like, well, I'm playing McDonald's or America.

I ain't no with the hell I was talking about, 'cause I ain't no with the game was. And he was like, how do you think I'm playing McDonald's? You like 296 in the city. And then I'm good and I was like, ah, nah.

Then my coach told me he was like, yo, you coming every morning, 'cause I went to the South Academy and he was like, you coming every morning at six o'clock, by the start of eight, he was like, I worked y'all every day. And then at the school, you stayed two hours later

and we'll work out. And he was like, you should be able to make it. And just because he said that. And because I was hanging with stuff every day, we were like you said, I remember his pops had to run enough

to stay as in the project. We would go to Coney Island. His father would make him play with a visible basketball. So work on his phone. Like, a hundred job shots, no basketball.

Just shoot him, shoot him, shoot him, shoot him, shoot him.

And then like, if he's always telling me, man,

you could do it, this is that. And I used to be like, and then because my father used to train boxes, so I was already disciplined. But I moved from Brooklyn so it was just all about work. And then I dribbled so much to like, in the 11th grade,

I used to stay in the park under the lights and I thought, like, shake my shadow.

“So that's how you should dribbles so fast.”

Because I was like, I know I can make my shadow move. I know I can make my shadow move. So I was looking like, boom, crazy. I was like, that's crazy. I was hitting shit, that's all.

Hey, my shadow, you're like, that's just a loose, loose shit. I was like, walking through the thing. But my thing for like, Joe is, 'cause I played in 55th grade in the eighth grade in ninth grade,

because back then, 55th for a people that I don't know was like a movie. It was like, you come up there. - That was over 55th this, 'cause yeah. - Yeah, 55th is rock apart.

So like, when I first moved up there,

“well, people don't understand more than the reasons.”

I mean, Jay, Jay, the kids know. But like, Mace is the first person I ever took me to basketball, play basketball. The basketball is the rap. So he was like, hey, I'm gonna take you to this park

to watch this game. And I was like, all right, you know,

I just why I never played basketball.

I just living in Brooklyn to do karate and do wrestling and all that stuff. That's when that white Chinese white man I used to come on, the kung fu, that was a challenge. - Yeah, he used to walk every way,

but he wasn't Chinese, he's walking the desert. - No, I'm telling you, he was lucky. - I was lucky. - No, yes. - Oh, you mean the Chinese thing

that you used to be worth some month? - Yes, yes. - So that was like my whole thing, like, what's the name, wrestler? - Yes.

- Yes. - Oh, no, that was legendary. - Yes, y'all three young for next year. So I used to watch that and do wrestling every day. So then when I moved to Harlem,

you know, Brooklyn, the other day you just do us robin' still. So like, when I moved to Harlem, it was like a movie 'cause I actually saw like black people making money, say these business. Even though they drugged it, it was like,

it was just like a movie, then I go to 50/50 and I happen to go to date of the All-Star game. And I saw a guy named Maloye Nacemith that would forever be my idol, I don't care. - Maloye, who's like a future boy?

- Yeah. - So I don't care how much mascara is getting in the Bronx. - Yeah, so he was like, if y'all don't know Maloye, hopefully y'all know Korean read,

they're like probably the most legendary point guards up there 'cause they played for so long. And I went up there and I saw Mike Buggie, you know, on one knee and dribbled with Maloye legs, at 50/50 and that forever changed my life.

I was hanging in the tree and I saw like, it was people coming up there getting dressed at halftime, getting Jordans, or was that this one, I was wearing a spot built. I didn't even know what Jordans was.

- So it just changed my life, it was like, in the entertainment bathroom,

but the other first time I saw something that like

entertaining fans and like, which made people famous, that wasn't famous. Like, you know, like local heroes like, walk it down the street and people like, instantly know you like, that's Maloye Mesa.

That's Master Rob, I don't know what somebody said, man, you know, Magic Johnson, I said, you can't mess with Maloye. (laughing) - So when you're watching the league right now,

you're watching college and I would love to ask you this and it's okay, it's like, people say the sham God dribbled, like it's a rule. - That's the fact, it's like most of memories, like when you go to the doctor in the hit your knee,

“you know what I'm saying, most of remember it.”

So how did that come about? And for those that don't know what that is, please tell them what the sham God dribbled is. - Well, it's like, well, people don't understand, it's like, I used to,

I'm sorry, this guy named Sherman Anderson

and he's always dribbled up the core of one hand,

like this, like inside out one hand, one hand. And then you factor in, like, when I was growing up to like, I know Joe and Jayden come, it's like this, you can, it's like, you know what's like when you see Koji rap and all of them,

you growing up, like, these are like superheroes. So when I first started playing basketball, even though I was hanging with Steph, Korean, Ray, for Austin, all these people, it was a Ray playing basketball since 10,

I wasn't playing. So these dudes was like, the ventures to me, like, I was like, oh, these dudes is off the chain. If I ever could come a little bit good, like them, I would be nice.

So then like, like I said, I watched the kid named Sherman and then Ray was like, real nice at the time. For people that I don't know, that skipped to my loop. So he used to do all his skipping stuff. I went to the PS 90, I went to PS 175

and the janitor, one day I met in the dribble and the stuff in the janitor was like, and if you just took it seriously, you could be somebody, and I was like, man, who the fuck do you think you were?

Who are you talking about? So I don't even know who he is. I go home. I get this tape call, blow the rim.

“The load of rim, that's what it was like VHA, it was like Kevin Johnson”

and Maddie Johnson chasing kid. Well, it was through Timmy Hardaway. But in the middle of the tape, it's like piss to pee, burn me, roll, tiny archibor, all you do is something like, man, just do look familiar.

So I go back to school, I'm just watching him for a week. So then I got the courage and I said, hey, do you got a son named tiny archibor? He's like, what are you talking about? And I was watching this tape and it said,

it's tiny archibor, but his name is Nate Archibor, right? So I'm like, I'm about to put into the, and I was like, he's skinny, so I kid. But I'm thinking like, the people who think now, if you play an NBA, you rich.

what are you talking about? That's me. And I'm like, what? There's no way that could be you.

“And I was like, why did you tell me you played an NBA?”

It is like, oh, you little kids just think you know everything. So I just let, and like, one to this day, that's one of my closest friends, but he don't want that to tell me like, he's like, if you master something,

and you do it for free one day the world will pay you for it. So then we got an NCAA tournament in 1997, I was actually trying to do another move. This move can the industry used to do, used to like go fast, change direction,

throw between his legs, and what happened was the ball slipped. And then only the locker room member is, to do a shirt and now you can grab the ball like that. And then because I watched film a lot, I went back to film like, man, this thing, man,

I moved to work, but did I still ain't thing none of it. And then I came home in the summer, and I went to the park, I grew up in it, and I'm just looking through the fence, and these little kids like, oh man, I just shamed you.

I just shamed you. I'm like, what are you talking about? If there's a kid, I just shamed God to him and all that. And then the next thing you know, it just went viral like that,

and it's like one of the most humbling feelings because I know everybody up in the NBA here, if you work anywhere, you wanna make it better to how you found it. And for me, I get to live in my inspiration every day,

because Mark Cuban, people like that gave me a platform to show my talents, so like, when people say, like, Russell Westbrook, this Paul doing the shamed God, and they like, yeah, you know, he's sitting right there, he's just in coach.

So for me, that's just amazing feeling,

because I know when I'm dead and grown, I love basketball better than a hot fountain. Wow. When the kid is two years old, they will learn how to do the shamed God.

“You know, I'm fried, I think I'm fucked up in the head.”

So I think you're shit, you know, I grew up in the world with you had to go get like, it was a treacherous world. When I seen an NBA player do the shamed God, I thought they jerked you.

I was like, yo, he's naked, jerked and shamed. That's the shamed. I was mad, dumb, tight, I'm watching them. It wasn't like you would be like, yo, he did my move. I'm like, yo, they jerked and shamed.

That's the fucking shamed God shit, yo, I fucked up. And I looked at shit so different. I'm not a positive thinker, man. And I looked at it, I was like, yo, they owe him money. Yeah, that's what everybody said.

Everybody be like, man, did you kind of ready 'cause you can get money? And I'm like, I'm like, not for me. It's like, I said, like, it's just one of the most craziest films in the world, because like,

I would forever be known as one thing. It was like, what, what, what, what, what, what, who is it? There was one NBA player.

“I was watching the game live and they interviewed it.”

They was like, yeah, what's the move you did? He said the shamed God. Yeah, that was, that was Westbrook. Fuck. Yeah, Westbrook is like, yeah, Westbrook is like,

did the movie, did the movie, and the fucking, announced it was in the audience, like, yo, man, what did you just do when you did, he said yo, that was the shamed God. Oh, that's yo. (laughing) Yo, today's show is brought to you by our present

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A verdict, a villain, a nurse named Lucy Leppi. Lucy Leppi has been found guilty. But what if we didn't get the full story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast "Doubt,"

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is one of the most mysterious and powerful

spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. - This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. - This MSS officer has no idea

the US government is on to him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Here how they got it on the 6th Bureau podcast. - I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer,

no doubt, no question of his life. And that's the unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. - This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS,

and how one man's ambition, and mistakes, opened its fault of secrets. - Listen to the 6th Bureau in the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. - I'm Clayton Eckard, and in 2022,

I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. - Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first bachelor to ever have his final rose rejected. The internet turned on him.

- If I could press a button and rewind it all I would. - But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines? - It began as a one-night stand, and ended in a courtroom,

with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. - The media is here. This case has gone viral. - The dating contract. - Agreed to date me, but I'm also suing you.

- Please search for it. - This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. - I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. This season, an epic battle of he said she said,

and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. - Clayton, nothing to get pregnant by the (beep) Brassler. - Listen to Love Trapped on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

(upbeat music) - Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of The On Purpose Podcast. I'm joined by Luke Combs, award-winning country music artist, and one of the most authentic voices in music today.

Luke opens up about success, self-doubt, mental health, and what it really takes to stay true to who you are when your life changes overnight. - I hate fame, I hate the word celebrity, hate those words,

that you make me uncomfortable.

“But I think when you get to a certain point,”

the fame or the success or the influence, it just accentuates and exacerbates the inherent person that you are.

The guy that says he's always gonna be there

and that will do anything to be there is the only guy that's not there. I'm in Australia when Beau is born. My whole identity is that no matter what, I'm gonna prioritize my wife and my children.

Over my job, I dread the conversation with my son. - What do you think you'd say? - Listen to On Purpose, with Jay Shetty, on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

- It's for most, we never seen nobody for no one. - It's like, that's the other thing. - We're gonna use Jailer roles, right? - Richer than everybody on here. So you speak later.

- Right? Y'all shanned, like you never see the beauty of your story we talked about over cooked to cook to cook to Cleveland now.

The beauty about your story is we never seen nobody

to go to the NBA. That's why I skipped with so special. We all offer inspiration and then you go NBA but you also go in coach, that's offering a lot of hope,

“not an inspiration and that's what makes you so dope.”

- Not appreciate. - Every, you think about everybody we ever seen. You know, it's some nice guys, I'm like, see no facts about it. - They never do it yet.

- But the whole thing is like to give it up to y'all is like, and kids get it tested, it's like, we're coming from a place where things seem hopeless, but I saw hope, you know what I'm saying? When I see fat Joe at the time being fat Joe,

when I see Jay-Z at the time being just Jay-Z, these are, you know, and even puffed to a point like, no disrespect or love, like part, part I've been in his life and saw love, like, so like they gave me the inspiration because like I said, when I was in Brooklyn,

I didn't see that, I saw like Robin still in this and that. Not saying uptown wasn't crazy, the Bronx wasn't crazy,

but I've never been crazy.

- Yeah, but they also, the thing that was different from Brooklyn to all the mother burrows is like, the stuff that I was doing, you still was getting money and you still was like looking good, like still like, man, I could be something, and it wasn't like,

oh, fat Joe's going to jail, Jay-Z's going to jail, this and that, like, when I'm running around with kids, mates, chic styles, all of them, like we get to see people over us, that was like doing stuff that actually made money. So that's why like, even in my book when I wrote,

I'm like, you gotta be careful who you say, who's the hero and who's the villain, right? 'Cause I grew up with drug dealers that when I became nice and basketball, paid my mom's rent for two years.

“So do I think they're hero, do I think they're villain?”

You know what I'm saying? I went to Providence, you know, the one was on America's most wanted, he was number three. And I never knew that. I've been a proc elbow on him, talk to stuff to him,

like it's a mass murderer, you know what I'm saying?

But he always told everybody, you know what I'm saying?

You get everybody in the hood, he was like, "Oh, make sure a shame, play ball, make sure a shame is good." So those are people I grew up around. So it's hard for me to always be like, so that's why when I tell kids it's easy for me to coach them

'cause I give them the dead truth and say, "Oh, this guy happened, that guy happened." But if you helped me, I could help you. You could still say what you want, like what Kari, like when there was a mancott.

It's like, "Yo, you could still say what you want, but let me help you 'cause the worst thing you could do is say, you missed understood if you're not trying to let people understand you." - Stay there, how did I get?

“- I think the glass-- - You can't say you missed”

understood if you're not trying to let people understand you. - To tell a fellow, you're not.

- So my whole thing in life was always to try to let people

understand me 'cause I know I would never be perfect. We are not perfect, I'm gonna feel short, even when I try to do good. But if you have people that can understand you, at least they could say, "You know what?

I ain't really with that, I understand what you got going on." So I'm just leaving it alone. But when they don't understand you, that's when the confusion starts in the man that's starting. And now it's problems, you know what I'm saying?

Which you see in Harlem all day with my brothers that I try to make sure you're on the same page as it's just like a Mason camp, like kids not just like you. You got to get together, bro. Like we all family, like if something happened to me,

your family gonna be upset, something happened to you, my family gonna be upset, even if we don't speak. My family, my son and him still call you uncle. - Right, yeah, I say that about hip hop. So I don't know where it started,

when they try to put a forced narrative, yeah, all rappers don't get along and all that, when somebody says-- - They don't. (laughs) - I'm wicked, it's crumpy uncle, crazy, right?

- Yes, yes, but say something real sad that recently happened, little John Sun. I don't know him, but I felt bad instead of me in prayer for little John, because little John, my brother and I love him,

I didn't know what Sun. But we got like, that's good to hear. - It goes deep in the rap, that's not a rap, but that's the father losing his son. - Yeah.

- If you got any type of heart, but he's also a rapper. - Yeah, yeah. - So what I was saying was the Sun, for me is no longer little John,

it's just got him up with my soul. I mean, I can't imagine that feeling so-- - So fuck the rap is on Jayden. - Let's see a little-- - Bigger than rap. (laughs)

- He said his face is beating rap. - Yeah, the man's the most, man, lost his son. - But it's just like, you know, like basketball and rapping is like cousins,

Because you still won't have the street guy to think he better than the goddess and the NBA. And the NBA guy gonna be like, the street guy don't understand what it takes to make it.

So it's always gonna be competition.

It's always gonna be competitiveness. So that's why I get confused. And it's just like, you said, when you went to the club and you seized other people, everybody face fighting,

but everybody in the same struggle. But nobody talking about it. So they think they're coming from two different places and they really not, right? So that's why I like your hall of--

It's no personal hall of-- that I'm gonna play basketball that I haven't been in the gym with or try to steer the right way. Whether it work or not, it's like,

yo, I'm always here, I'm always 'cause 'cause when I left school early out of college, I wish I had some idea for me to be like, nah, just stay one more year, just hold on.

You know, everything gonna be alright, you know what I'm saying?

But when we come from, you got your mind made up, everybody like,

“oh man, that's what's up, you should do it.”

They wouldn't have done a work. They're like, man, you was bugging anyway, but I don't even know why you did that shit. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, we, you know, we come from,

especially, like, jailing them with the five, five dead, like, the bad, and I have to be rich before them. They owe them. Yeah, so it's like-- You feel they, they jerk them, they owe them.

Yeah. They owe them. They, they, they, you know, the world level there. They owe them all a couple of millions of the world they fed. Yeah.

You're still actually to this day. We have that UM game, the championship football joint. They still like, do you think it's right to think it? Yeah, they, it's, it's right to think it's right. They got paid because these colleges,

they're selling tickets, selling jerseys, and these kids didn't begin shit. They been like, alright, guys, thank you. And it, not only that, these jerseys stay five, five. Yeah, jerseys still selling.

Well, the one thing about sports and money is, and I've talked about this a lot. So I'm not, like, in the fear and with things that I have been going on, because I've been talking about just for 30 years,

the only sports to have salary calves are black-lit first on.

But that's basketball and football. Those are the only sports to salary calves. Baseball, golf, NASCAR, tennis, you could keep naming. They do not have a sub. That's the first, holy shit, it's correct.

The second thing is they have no after high school restriction. So that's a, that's a residue of slavery. It's because we're going to get money off of you for multiple years for free.

“There's no way around, there's, you how can we start?”

So we got to start a union. They call it, you have a day to start slavery. They do it now. They do it now, they get paid now. I mean, he's just made it a finish.

Yes, and so what happened in the game is that it became so obvious because of social media and because of information, it's like, we're making billions of dollars. We've got to pay off some.

That's how it ended up happens. And so for the player, like, you're an artist. You guys are artists. We've been, it pulls wood. Right, we got to say, that's where that's where I'm going.

Like, I have a rape and pilli and no shots or no shade or whatever, like, whatever. But I'm just like real spilling. Like, I have a free lock shirt. Go down.

Like, I have that the locks go. Yeah, and what ends up happening in the entertainment is where the worker, where the talent, but we're not the owner. And that's the same thing in sports that happened with the NIO.

So I'm happy to see players now getting paid off of their name, image and likeness. But if you notice, you still got to pay the system. Like, in a field of players,

“you have to be three years removed from high school”

that go to the NFL. A lot of people don't realize that. Oh, he's correct, I messed up. Correct. You can't go straight from the NFL

after you're a sophomore year. When you had your best year. Correct. You have to wait three years so the system can puff it off.

It's the same thing with basketball. Like, NBA players have shown Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett. Like, that you can come out of high school and be productive in the league.

But they still don't allow you to do it. So that you can heat the system and they can make money off them. And so I stood on a table about this for a long time, for 30 years.

And the greatest trick that the media played on society

that went to Michigan.

Like, that was on a honor roll.

I stayed there. Yeah, that was the biggest trick. And we didn't have like social media. I can say nothing. I'm like, I'm on the diesel.

Like, they're treating me like I'm some dumb. And I took that personal. So I'm happy that there are allowed to be paid right now. And, but if you notice, the NBA still got a salary cap. And the FAFSA still got a salary cap.

I never knew that.

“So that's how they say you learn and do everything.”

You can end both of those sports

like 75%, 80% black. You can name on one hand a black owner. It's like, oh, you're a Michael Jordan. You won the greatest of all times. So you can be an owner.

Is there a black owner in the NFL? I don't think it exists. No. Magic is partially like a man. Yeah.

Magic's different, though. Yeah. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. But you, but you like the but like to your point is like I remember in 12 great. Me and stuff, we met with Spike Lee for he got game. So a lot of people don't know like it's based on like barren stuff life and then off my name. He wanted to name the character guy.

And he was like, he saw me playing a sound. He came up with the idea of like, oh, Jesus, showering because he wouldn't say God or whatever. And me and stuff or addition. And then he was like, oh, I'll give you a part. But he was like, the problem was if we took the role, we couldn't, we'd be in C. W.

And eligible to be his game paid.

“So that's why stuff ain't even through the song movie and then, and R. Allen was going to MBA.”

So he could do it. So that's what people don't know about. Like how the whole movie thing came about, you know, that's the spike. Talk about this is not me just saying the spike. Talk about he saw me play with a sound that he got the idea of like he was like, man, he got that name.

And he's good in basketball. And then that's instead of using God, Jesus, show him. And that's what I want to ask you, kids, and then we'll ask you Joe, because I see a lot of like articles about streaming and how they're not doing the artist justice.

First say, like the artist to say, we could have like a billion.

This literally reminds me of the NCA and N. I have when I see this about artists. It's like, you can sell a billion streams to make like 50 cents. Well, I don't even understand, I don't even know if they made a book.

“I don't even know if there's any way it just made up their own rules, which am I right?”

I don't know what the fuck they're doing. And I don't mean to bring up a story topic, but just like this how I feel, this how I feel. If you go to any, maybe, maybe the higher rupt and, you know, you're going to Paris if it's been me and somebody like that and sometimes people can explain it to you. But I'm almost 97% sure of you just ask any of your friends of the artist that I've

needed and never going to be able to explain it to you. It's one of them. That's crazy. So that's the equivalent of me playing at Michigan. And so now it's pay for play. So that Joe's a great high school player and he's going to pick a school to go. Now they're picking the highest bid. But most of the players aren't selling goods. That's called pay for play. So what made a different is we would have been selling

for hot shoes. Black socks or like, like, we were jerseys. Like, we were selling product artists. Y'all are selling product. You know what I'm saying? So I don't understand how I can buy your your song or your album, but you don't get paid from it real. How does that? We've been sold out from the forefathers. And unfortunately, we're trying to give a fit for what they did. It's that a flag is so why you didn't. Why are you laughing at

that? Because I want to hear why you look why you found that. Because I don't they didn't sell it. I don't know what happened. Why happens is we've been sold out by the forefathers. And unfortunately, it's a black and Latino community. It's like when you bought watch a bunch of kids playing with the ball and the kid goes, my boy, you can't play with it,

entire inch, you wanted every dollar you could think of. A couple of other guys wanted every single

“dollar you could think of. So it wasn't like each one, each one. It was like, oh,”

play the Rubik's cube to you fucking cracked the code. So no one to this day, no one told me you can get a dollar like this. Definitely not a game that passed this on Intel. But there's people who knew it. So there's people and I love everybody. I'm not talking with shots of profit. Nobody like that. Somebody like, no, I didn't mean that. I did not mean that what I'm trying to tell you is I didn't mean it in that way. What I'm saying is the man wanted to be the king,

everybody wanted to be like a king and they wouldn't tell you. So we're going like this. I said this when people before puffers have been struggling, he's a big inspiration to me. So you know, but I'm in my video with bottles of fuck it's a rock. I'm wearing Sean John. I'm wearing this.

I don't know what the fuck going on. Next thing I know, he's selling these just for a billion dollars.

And so we influence in the streets. They look in it like, oh, we need to get that sweatsu. We need to drink that's a lot. We need that they fucking named the whole Coco Loso after fucking fabulous. I don't think he ever got a dollar. I wrote the bitch. Look, we know he had point in that puff. Right? What I am saying is another time. Oh, no, I don't know. I'm saying the U. E. You wrote the bench. I sat down. Yeah, wrote everything. I wrote his part. He wrote everything. But let me explain

it. I thought she wrote his part. I wrote my part of somebody I respected the highest level in the universe, who I don't think. But I know it's high intelligent. It's Russell Simmons. And then you start asking when I was younger. Like, you're why we ain't got no black distribution. Why we ain't pressing vinyl, no, like, he's like, Joe, you really don't want to be asking that question.

This is the guy who was asking about in I L. Yeah, no, but never given it, never get to the bottom.

“But he'll tell you, you don't, don't even ask that shit. I'm like, yo, what do you mean?”

It is a reason why nobody got the shit. They don't want nobody get that shit. And this, and then you heard about people trying to make moves like that. They always got in trouble with the law or some scandal came out. You don't think. Stay out of it. They're scandaling motherfuckers to have. But that's it. You talk about somebody we knew in the back and basketball. Yeah. Maybe it's candle and nigga to have. I'm like, okay, you getting too loose.

Wacko, Jacko. So that's it. Yeah. So that adds a question that I have for you both to you, gentlemen, because there's a, a dope part that I love. You know that rappers get better promotion in my life. Right. So I want to ask you with big and you with pun, because like those are two of my favorite artists, but recipes aren't here anymore. Like, would it you and I'm going to start with you kiss like see in big when he was alive and what disappointed you about how he was projected

after he died, because that's your line. Oh, well, I saw when he was alive was a good guy that took him a lot of people. Very humorous. Unlike the stuff man, Craig just said, he did what myself and my brothers on to all of the guy was that beat in the description of season with the look for from Diddy and I was going to be in this and that and going to be how to be an artist and

“how to conduct his own things like that. That's what I was able to learn from him about time”

being able to spend with him. After he passed his kind of, I got that line kind of of him in punt. I was able to so 10 million of the no way out of him after the passing of it. Oh, it's in a lot of people. This claim may be cooler with him than they were. One of the things I don't like, one of the things I don't like is, who all of the, whoever it lets and shit some good people don't have the relationship with his kids. It be so cool everybody just picked man and this and that and it

knows kids normally. They never spoke to his kids. They don't got it dirty. They don't. So that's

of smoking mayors when you come across some good people that do good business and you're able to have a relationship outside of the music business. Stay tight with them and everybody else fuck with a bunch of Joe with big pun. Yeah, complicated it. After he died, there was no more money.

So it wasn't like, I never made a dollar from him. He passed really. That's the fact. Really never

made a dollar after the dopest MCs. Yeah, but you know what happens is I just seen and I want to call this right. But I breathe through. But I knew what he was saying. I just saw an interview with French Montana said he's so 65 million records. It's still don't got a royalty. His shit is raping you records. It's raping you raping you raping. No, this shit will be raping you raping you with this shit.

“He has 65 million records. That's what French Montana said. So what I'm trying to tell you is the only”

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spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is a special agent, Riegel, a special agent, Bradley Hall. This MSS officer has no idea the US government is on to him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Here how they got it on the 6th Bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question of his life. And that's the unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable.

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by the *** Wrathsler. Listen to Love Trapped on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of The On Purpose Podcast. I'm joined by Luke Combs, award-winning country music artist, and one of the most authentic voices in music today. Luke opens up about success, self-doubt, mental health, and what it really takes to stay true to who you are when your life changes overnight. I hate fame.

“I hate the word celebrity hate those words that you make me uncomfortable. But I think when you get”

to a certain point, the fame or the success or the influence, it just accentuates and exacerbates

do anything to be there is the only guy that's not there. I'm in Australia when Beau is born. My whole identity is that no matter what, I'm going to prioritize my wife and my children. Over

“my job, I dread the conversation with my son. What do you think you're saying?”

Listen to on Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. You know, like I got an album to be a big deal, so two million records on the Atlantic Records,

and there's 20 something years that I've never seen a fucking dollar from this album. To this

game, I learned the business, and I've been independent from maybe 17 years. And now, if I sell, if I put out an album on my $100,000 record, I'll make a couple of million. For you got to educate yourself and figure it out, you know, what's that George Bush? Something happened to me, shame on me. Something happened to me once. For me once, for me two times, shame on me. That's on you. If you get jerk one time, and you ain't learning from the process, just everything in life.

If you get taking a band to job financially, we're going to have you like a heart to your skills, and you're starting when it's going, Jay, that you're going to be talking like, I'm going to be a harbour through the fact. Let me say something to you. And so you got to learn from your

mistakes and your lessons in life. And I've always been good with that. Meaning like, I got a big

brother that I looked up to that was a billion times smarter than me, but he fucked this whole life up using drugs. So I never used drugs. So I could see you, you know, that I grew up in the family of gambling, the harbour. When he had shit nerd, I remember we used to be sitting on the fucking floor, the project. I'm laying on the floor and watching my grandmother, my grandfather, my aunt, my uncles, they're playing the number they bet in me last and everything, right? And then one

day, my mother hits. And the number, what's the matter? My mother hits, listen, my mother hits, and she might have made $400 and you only hit the number once every like year to two years back. You playing every day, $100? She got a tip the lady. She played the number with. She, the whole family waiting for $10, $20, all the way before you know it, she won $40 back of the $100. She spent the biggest scam. Are you fucking with me? I did the numbers and the knowledge and I knew these people are

suckers. I'm not going to do that. And so now they book me all the time in Vegas, right? And they hope and you like a don't thing. So in any other place here, we're doing this little event, they walk into this and I know it's huge, but they walk me into the back, correct? Anyway, I go, if I do a stadium show, they walk me to the back, club walk me through the back. Vegas, the only place they walk me to my show and because you know, do the fucking tables. They want to get, they want me to catch

that don't mean, if I'm a gambler, I'm stopping there. And I'm betting all the shit they just gave me back in that table. We're just stuff gunner. I'd be by the tables, get pretty, do that, get pretty, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're the free food at like when the buffet gliszy, you got me,

“but that's what I thought that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's the, that's the residual income”

for you man. You ain't going to flex at me for that gliszy talk. But that's the point is like, when you grow up in the hood, you get so stuck in the pain for what happened that you can't see with things that could be better, right? So like, for me, it wasn't easy, but it wasn't hard, right? So like, even in my book, I talked about like,

you know, because you always asked me about my relationship with my father and my father's here.

So like, so I dad, he was talking. So like, all the stuff, all the stuff he'd been through, you know, when I was young, our relationship was like up and down, because he went to jail and stuff like that, things that happened, you know, me not being a man at that time, you know, you look at him and blame him for what's going on, right? And then in the 11th grade,

“you have a son that then had changed your life and then you figured like, man, 11th grade?”

Yeah. So it's like, it's not always, it's not always this fault because he was going through stuff

he was in jail, finished college and all that stuff. And now, you know, as a man, you know, he's one of my best friends, you know, because I treat my kids and stuff like that. But what he don't know is this like, all the stuff he went through was the example for me not to go through. So through his pain and his trials of tribulation, it made me successful as a person,

made me not feel sorry for myself or be stuck in place and just always get up and like,

you know, next day going to be better, you know, I'm saying it and just push that to the limit.

“So that's why I always try to pay it for it and like I said, you know, I know we hear,”

you know, your podcast, which was amazing podcast that we hear talking about. Charlie Roe's podcast gang. No, no, no, no. And we hear the talk about the McDonald's on American Game, and that was like one of my first step in stone to the NBA, because I looked that Janna Roe's and the people before me, I was like, man, to do that, make it to the McDonald's on American Game, go to the NBA and, you know, all the stuff my father went through, I was just like,

like I said, the one thing he did always teach me, you know, being a five-person and stuff like that,

it's always had discipline and always have knowledge of self, right? So I had knowledge of self-sensorship.

Oh, you know, it's like, I'm trying to sum it up. Yeah, so, so, crack him my life. I look at it. So I always, I always had knowledge of self-sensorship and I was always proud

“to be bright, right? So, that's why when I went to Harlem, it was so impactful, because it was”

a pile of the 120 fish deep. Janna kissing them was always at the mark 125, you know what I'm saying? Even though they was my age, they was doing something I've never seen before, like putting words together and stuff like that. So it was always like bad love and mutual respect for them because it was just like, man, these dudes is going to blow up. I don't know how they was going to blow up, but I'm like, man, you're using the Holy Smash, you know, whether it was him, Maze, Cameron, so as me,

going forward, I was like, okay, my first step is to make McDonald's or America. So that's why I was just impressed, because I was like, if I could make that, then my odds to go up, right? And I remember when I got the call over a loud speaker, because that's when, and at this point, you didn't take the same position from the same city, right? So I already knew stuff was going to be McDonald's or America's stuff was the best sound grade, best eighth grade, best ninth grade,

best sixth grade, best seventh grade. So I was like, man, I was like, it might be impossible. I got work hard, because at that point, they didn't take the same position, and we both was point guards. So when I got the call over and allow speaker's stuff was like the second person that told me, I made McDonald's or America. And that's all I wanted to do, because I wanted to make my father proud, I wanted to make my father friends, I wanted my father friends to go

tell him like, oh, this is just fun. You know what I'm saying? So like for me, who all the trials and tribulations I see, but as I got say, like we in the hood and stuff,

I always knew it. Like it could be better. And I was like, I know what I didn't know what I wanted

to become, but I said, I know what I don't want to be. And my biggest thing was I didn't want people to walk up to me. Like I used to see them walk up to people. I look up to him like, man, he used to be nice. So that's like a big insult to me. Like what? So I say, you used to be, you're you talking about it. You're you can't use to look at that. You're like, shit, I'm fly by now. I used to right now. Don't play that shit for me. I got all my teeth.

All my, all my teeth. All my teeth. All my teeth. Don't play that shit. It's been a life. It's a dream. Yeah. People get runs and then get played at them and they remember

“they used to this, not me. You saw that a cast that I'm gonna have. So that's why I'm proud to be”

American because to this day, those are my brothers. Like stuff, KG, Vince Carter, Paul Piss, you know, probably the same gentleman to speak to his class. Like those are my brothers. Like when I see them, it's all kind of question for y'all. He brought it up. It was the John jaded show. I love you guys. Paul Pierce thinks that if he was in this prime, it would be known to Braun James. Yeah. But that's just a rivalry. Okay. He doesn't really like these.

I went to Ben one night. Please, I went to Ben one night. It was like Michael Jordan is nothing. I'm gonna crush him. Please, that's not, not, not, not, not, let me, let me say this. Yes. That's a, all right. That's not, that we don't have this. That's a favorite in the underdog. Yes, sir. Who want to, like, yeah, yeah, I was a good question. This is a damn, he looked good. Paul Pierce thinks and if he was in this prime, it would be no La Porn James. Jason point or whatever. He says, he made La Porn James team up with D-Wade and I'm gonna

to go down to Miami and play with them because we had the game on smash. So honest, smash is all right. You're almost. Can you both answer it? It's honest as possible. I'll start with you, Sam. Go and do you think that Paul Pierce if he's at his prime, the brawn James dog got away six years for a

“chip of something. No, that's why I threw the flag because Paul is one of McDonald's on American guy and”

that's my brother, but the reason why the brawn went to Miami is because Kevin Garnet and Ray Allen came

to Boston. Kevin Garnet and Ray Allen don't come to Boston then Paul Pierce never get a ring

and there's no reason for the brawn to go anywhere. So when he stayed in the brawn win, and he got to somebody, it's not that he would have teamed up with somebody, but somebody came and teamed up with him for him to win the ring. So you got to have the same grace for the next man that goes well. Listen. What you think? One of my favorite verses came from big and that's like, it's not a look at you gentlemen. It literally just came to me when he was like,

you're the sling crack rocker, you've got a wicked jump shot because we idolized with two guys who and many artists wish they would. I dated kids with literally just talking like, I wanted the hoop, but like I didn't get the offer that I would. Like I heard Kim talk about it, I've heard multiple people talk about, but to your question, Paul literally said he was passed his part. So therefore, nothing's stop on the bar at that time. The pissists were a couple of years older

and like Levon is, is go step? He earned that. Not better than Michael Garnet. No. No.

But he's going to do that. What you think, J. The Kisses, you always make a funny one.

“You earned that and he was 20. He said they both said that. I think you're a liar and deep down”

aside in your heart, you think the bronze better than joint. I think so. That's the conversation come up to me. Who the fuck is he? He always give me a twitch. I'm in J. I'm in J forever. He's always smart. Very calculated, man. What's your fucking, you know, like, you know, like a cop interrogation, you did it. You had the bottle in the store. You had the fucker bottle in the store. So there's somebody that played against Michael Jordan,

played against Colby, played against LeBron, or just tell you guys something. There's no writing better than Michael. No, and that talks slow, too. I want to be very clear. You would all stand, huh? It's Paul and he's like, there's a reason why you're wearing his shoes of being played in 30 years. I agree. That's an actual reason. Just think about this, and I know the cool kids say pause now, so I thought it out. But this gentleman played basketball

with his tongue hanging up. This, this, this thinking, but you can't walk from this stage to the back, what your tongue got without biting your tongue. This, this, think about that. So George was into the wrong man. So you're wearing his shoes. I'm telling you why you're wearing his shoes.

“It's not just because he won the championships. Like, Jordan had that sexy there. What?”

He showed up with the blazer, had a Ferrari parked it in the arena, played with his tongue hanging like, like, this, this is iconic. Part two to your answer. This is why I say Colby

blinds the second best of all. I will stand in there when he scored 81.

I know. And the thing is, let me give you a little said Joe Hollis in that game. Let me give you a little hit record. I mean, and he said you have for the fourth coin. No hit record in that game. He sat down for the full, let me explain something. I mean, did not sit down for the people go. Oh, so that wasn't that good. That was a bad. No, that was just a bad. Just a bad. Just sat down the whole floor. That was a bad. That was just a bad. So we played.

That was a warm-up. So here's, so I want to highlight we not. So I'm going to highlight what you're saying. Colby was on the heater that month. Like, I looked at the schedule. And I'm going to do a story time, like, we went legal then. We was not legal. And are we, we had a wound up? Yeah, I want to was not legal cannabis. It's hard. She might have been a little bloated trying to pass to test

know, they know excuses. Colby's my, that's my little brother. Like, but if you Google right now,

who was Colby Bryant's favorite player when he was in high school, he was, ah, nice of noise for that. It's a noise. If you Google that right now, it was me. So that's my little brother. Like,

“I'll never forget. We was working out of UCLA and y'all know this is ours.”

We was working on doing our thing. And we felt like, you know, we're going to go to a burger in Santa Monica and get my sausages and like rehabilitating, hit the steam and whatever. But I didn't know his ass was going back to the gym. He told me. So I was going to LA to kick it. So we worked out in the morning. You know this coach. That's why you laugh. So like, we go work out in the morning. And I'm thinking like, we done. And I'm going, I'm doing the LA thing is that's where back to the gym.

And didn't tell him. He did that every. I got a story for you. I come up in Jersey, I parked the car in the garage. I'm going to see my man. He's one of the buildings that you go to the lobby and you got to take the other elevator to go to the 30th floor. So you've got to get out in the

“life. I'm going to keep this around me for you sometimes. Okay. It's okay. It's all right. It's all right.”

Right. I come out in the lobby and there's 30 people that live in that building surrounded the front desk. So of course I go be no see. I'm like, it was going on. The security, the door man is watching a little black and white team. It's the finals. So I'm watching the finals. If you ever wonder one time you ever see your work with other people thinking at this moment, I happen to be there by mistake with 30 people watching the basketball fun. So I go over there.

Everybody's watching Asian people, white people, strength like everybody. The whole lobby is ramp that watching this little TV. Date down two points, right. The lake is a down two points. The other team got the ball. So they're about to throw the ball in. Kobe jumps over something. It's the guy to boy. It's the guy. It goes. So a whole 30 people. Everybody's crying. I'm like, they're still down two. They got the boy. Why are you crying at this

point guys? Because you knew that motherfucker was going to curl and hit that three in your face. That boy got checked in. He did the curl and shot that three in a fucking face. The whole 30 people

knew exactly what was going to happen with Kobe Bryant. And this is why I say he's the second best.

“This is why I think, right. So like we're putting up the standards. It goes back to like”

the kids was talking about with big, right. Oh, playing up. His untomely demise is like when I see people act like they were more cooler than they were. It like bothers me to this day because like Kobe first came back from overseas small circle. I'm the first person that he met. Right. We played ABCD together. And his father, I was dribbling and stuff. His father was like, he'll teach me how to dribble. He was like, and this is not me talking. Could I even talk about it in

20 years. Kobe said it was retiring me. He was just a stamp. So Kobe said it out his mouth.

He was like, yeah, he was like, so when I first, when I first met him, his father was like, hey,

you teach him how to dribble. He was like, my son got everything. But he really can't dribble. And I was like, we just fun. And we had a game that night. And ABCD and just do like chewing gum, walking like Jordan, talking like Jordan and all that. And at this time, I just made McDonald's on American. I was like, he's shooting all the balls. I'm like, oh, who the fuck is this shooting the ball? This was my team right now. And we in Jersey. So I'm like, I'm home. Like, this is my joint.

And it's father's like, you know, he's just learning here at junior. This at this time, Tim Thomas is the guard. Like, no more in playing the country. There's no white touch in Tim Thomas. So then Kobe was coming in through voice. So I'm like, all right, you know, I get up every morning to work out. I do this. I do my own routine before camp start. So he's like, all right, we taught me what I'm there. And I'm smart as I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll be there five in the

morning. No, and I ain't going to be there five in the morning. So I get there like seven, he pulls sweating already. Like, oh, when we actually came, he came, he's just working out. He's not mad that I came to I was later. He's like, what's up? What we doing? What we working on?

sponge. Right. So he's just learning all this stuff. And I never forget, like, his first year in MBA.

“If you, my first year in MBA, if you look on the highlight when he dunked on Ben Wallace,”

I'm right here on the baseline next to Ben Wallace. And I'm telling Ben, like, yo, he's going right to left for us. I showed him. He's going right to left for us. So then he crosses coming that plane that dunked on Ben Wallace. And he's like, and at this point, you know, when you are ABCD and you young, all the kids are like, you know, like, hate, you know, but you know, I refuse to be like, oh, you think you Jordan, you think this, you think that. And he was like,

what? We'll be better than Jordan. You crazy. He was like, Jordan, she 1000 jumps on, I'm shooting 2000 makes. So you got to think I 50% he's going to shot 4,000, right? A day.

Not this, this is, this is drive. So like, when he getting the MBA, and they start calling him

Showtime and M. and Shag, all these people beefing, and all that, he was already saw immune to it. We asked Cole used to get on the bus. We had phones on with no music just so he could hear people talk about them. Right? This is all, this is all a vicious he was. So like, when people talk about him, it's kind of like, for me, as personal, it's like the thing with stuff. Like, I seen him at that age, like, where he was shooting, like you said, the discipline, he was shooting 2000 jumps

on his back then. He wanted to play against yellow rolls and Jerry Stack, I was swimming high school back then and was like, no, I'm the guy, like, don't compare me to this person, that person. So like, that right did, made him to like, to a 25 year relationship to where, under his timely demise. I was training his daughter. Right? So I have a picture in my house where his daughter, the other two girls, I haven't picture miles right now. Everybody in the,

everybody in the picture is dead, but me. Because they was on the plane, right? So it's like, and the crazy thing about what his daughter was, he flies to me to LA. He's like, he called me. He's only present to do it. He called me. He's like, hey, I need you to train my daughter how to dribble. And now, this time we're going with the maps. His story is crazy. He, I'm working with the maps. The kids know this story. So I'm with the mask. He like, yo,

I'm going to fly you to LA. I want you to work my daughter out 100 girls. And I'm like, what girls? He's like, my girl's seeing, like, I got like four of them. They're going to go to you, you can't, my friend. I'm like, what, he's like, yeah, I get them. He like, hey, we're going to start practice at six in the morning. He said, we're going to do six, eight, we're going to do six, eight and 12. So I was like, you want to work out six hours. And he's like,

yeah, he was like, I only want them dribbler. And I was like, oh, they can't dribble six hours per hour. He's like, no, we're going to do two hours at a time. I just want them dribbler. I go there. I saw work with his daughter. She's just like him. But you got coach, what you got coach, now the world of parents is there watching me train them. In the car come, coach, drop the ball, take his daughter walk out. Come back.

I'm like, you know, we're going to do some shooting on. He's like, no, I just want dribbler. I'll take care of the shoot. Just want them dribbler. She's like, well, we got. And I'm like, coach, they can't do this the whole week, bro. And she was like, every day I walked in there, coach, what we got. We got more. Oh, I'm a coach, look, I learned this from earlier. Like,

“so that's why when we went to all the stuff happening, it was just so like, unsurreal for me,”

because I meet people today that talk about, yeah, you know, cold this, cold my God, just like, don't even know, don't even know that they actually need to introduce them to the system. So it's kind of like a kiss that like you saying, you know somebody or somebody, your best friend or your mentor, how you don't know their system, right? And I just saw a system like a month ago. And she was just like, it's so crazy. How when we was at high school, my brother used to come to

the house and be like, you know, just to move shame God be doing this, to move shame God be doing. So like, for me, it's like, like I said, it's no better feeling like all the stuff I went through, you know, going to the NBA, not finishing whatever it's like, God just had a bigger plan for me, right? And when I was young, when you don't want to do it, it's inspiring people. I want to think about being rich. I want to think about that because because to Joe's credit, to like,

Jayxies, to the rich quarters of the world, and all that, that's all I got from Harlem was inspiration.

“So that's the only thing I knew that was concrete, right? It's the inspired people.”

So when the things happened like, we're coping, the people that was putting my life, it's even being on this podcast right now to the mark tubions of the world, to being a part of rock nation, stuff like that. It's like, it's no better feeling for me, right? So it's like,

everything I acts for, I always say I got. So that's why I'm like real big on the experience

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“Yes, sir. That's why we're here. Yes, sir.”

And shout to Roc Nation up Joe and Jada. Yes, sir. Favorite show and family is shout to you, Sam, because one of the things that is overlooked about like this union is like the level of respect and capital chup and how further it is to be fetched Joe and Jada, kids, and passion. I don't want to get too preachy or like too therapy or whatever.

it's happening with, you know, notable figures is sometimes we underestimate what they had

“the overcome to be who they are. That's a real thing. Like Jada, kids, I know this human being”

has overcome so stuff. This fat Joe and he acts like is because of this track when he stood up. It's overcome stuff. Right? God, Sam, God has filled the overcome to stuff and the beauty of this audience and the beauty of this opportunity is to like inspire people. I bet that's really what we want to do, sir. Like when you make music, I hear you talk about this all over the time. Are you not so many hit records, sir? You got inspired to people and I just want

to go back to say twist your words. Shout out to Ditty because you know how they twist your

shit. We're not, we're not going to keep fighting down, but he's with my guys in jail. So he's

really, really cooking. You know how you down? Shout out to the soldiers in four ticks on the ground. What would you be with? And those way mob vehicles on on the street? We would jump in. If you had interest. We would we don't get advice. I want everybody to say, we would you be if you had a Instagram. Back came out. Yeah. We would you be if you had Instagram. I mean, I was coming up. Lean back. Well, first of all, being here. Yeah, I'm

wondering. I being jail. We didn't have a wife. I agree. Oh, I was saying to fuck me up.

“That'll be the best thing from out of the worst thing from my life. Financially,”

I'd have been like, "Dance, boss, see, don't like it." Man, that's here with a bit of a billion

serves. That lean back. You know, Instagram, imagine everybody you would have seen churches? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was the most fat friendly dance you ever seen in your life. Facts. That's just what it been. How did you, how did lean back happen? Man, we, they keep telling us we got to go really quick. You're not leaving. Get Jamaican. It was killing the game. So they had a significant play around the way or under a running man. And

that's it. So when we came up with the beat, me and Scott Storch, we in college studio. And I was like, "Yo, this shit gotta be a simple hook." And they didn't, but we didn't know yet. Stuff we know now, we didn't know, but I knew that I had to make a simple hook that had even a little kid to sing. And then we spent no time. I don't give a fuck about all that. And I just said, "Yo, and they've been looking at me like crack. What do you think?"

I said, "Man, my people don't dance. We just pull up our pants." They said, "Do you know what? I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah."

“And it was out of here. We repeated it twice. And that's how I learned how to make it,”

it's like making rain. And you know, like even if you think on beat, let me get real quick. But when you got wrecked, it's the way they're like, "Yeah!" They tell you that ain't it. It's like when the on beat singers are blowing to the point of, "We can't even mimic it." Yeah. And like that's not a hit. It gotta be something that we can sing along to, even though we can't sing. You know? You know, it's hard to sing. "Hand I am telling you."

Oh, no, I can't. Hey, before wrapping up, who had the best McDonald's or American class? Right? Also a shout rock nation, shout, Donald's all American. Yes. Get your fries. Who's the 95? It's the best McDonald's or American. It's the 95. I might have been awful. Gosh, damn, we got Stephon Marbury, Paul Tess, Antoine Jameson, this car, Kevin Gardener, tractor trailer, Chris Clark,

Sean C. Bill-ups, Lewis Bullock, was 96. Ninety-six. Ninety-six is Jermaine O'Neill, Kobe Bryant. Even Nash. No, no, Steve Nash. That's the drive. You talk about the drive. Not too much the high school. Oh, it's Donald's little American. - Jermaine O'Neill. - Stag Jack.

- Rib Hamilton. - That next year? - Yeah, that's the next year. Rib Hamilton. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Shout out you Holloway. We are arguably the best dunker ever.

- We are arguably one of the best dribbles ever.

Me, you. - That's the best dunker ever.

“You guys, stuff on my very coached changer.”

- Yeah. - You had chemicals on it that changed the whole algorithm. - Yeah. - Wow. - Chelsea Billos, big shot.

- Yeah. - You had tractor trailer. - Best of peace. - Be a rest of peace. You had pompous, de-truth, Ron Mercer.

- Yeah. - Well, that was a-- - Well, you ain't saying the question. - Ladies and gentlemen.

- This ain't that, I need that ain't this.

- It's cracking 'Kiss' God, damn it. - It's some noise for you. - Yeah. - It's the same God's year. (laughing)

“- So you, McDonald's all the American that died.”

- Yes. - This year, stepping back. That three McDonald's all the berries. - Yeah. - That's the same.

- We got the rat list twins. And we got one more goal. If they go into USC and he goes, and the other dude is going to Michigan State. - So I mean, I need to ask more question on the walk.

- Now I need to go over there too. - I gotta tell the old man brother. - God really? - Skyrisi. You know they ain't even, I looked it up.

That ain't even for when you got a piss. You'll be saying, "Shop and no reason." - Yo, flags on the plate. So I gotta, I gotta question for both of y'all. - Then let me ask my question.

- I love you, Joe. - I love you, Joe. - I don't know who's the bad boy. - Who's the best? - Huh?

- You're jacking the spot. - You ready? - Stop. - Talk to me. - Ain't it?

- The crazy, like, with the meat I did, with the felt bags out here. - Put the bag out. - I was the fan five. - If you don't, if you do, he's the right dude.

- He, he tried to act like his name came from his crackup again.

“I cannot believe you're not a wonderful question. Who is the best? Who is the best female basketball player right now? Candace Parker?”

Right, I'm saying Asia Wilson. I love you so much. I'm not going to like skin girl to pretty one. I don't give it. I don't get a skin girl What's the name? You don't want talking though. No, I get PTSD because you're your question. No, so when I'm telling you AJ is I mean you lose the life skin girl

No, you're choosing she's going to take all of it. Yeah, he's taking the ball You're from L.A. Jesus from L.A. Jesus from L.A. Jesus from L.A. She's going to take two walkins. It's going to take all of them out I'm telling you you don't know the white girl. What's the one work? What's the life skin girl? She's she play like mellow I'm feasting I feast

Yeah, I'm stew. Not feasting nice. Not feasted dead nights without at the home But you didn't taste just the best. AJ, thank you. You didn't ask me who was nice You were the best AJ is the best there's $1.00. Not if you let me play our bader at your Wilson right now. There's not. Yes, that's the fact There's no, I wish all right for click bait for click bait because I got to go over and stay in the clock

So come here Joe I got a question come here. Let me get this come here. I love you very much Come here Joe because I got it. I got a thief for the crowd so like these are like Legend dare you diggers the bathroom. I'm

So absolutely it's going to be a discovery So so I'll ask Jada until Joe come back

because I always wanted to notice because like I'm a detrator and

Like blade ice will was our king And then he and he died, you know very young and I saw this happen with nipsy hustle I saw this happen Multiple artists are like died before they were able to like in my opinion like really killed the game. Yeah, big. Oh, great big. Oh, there's another So I want to ask Jada kiss and front of y'all and I want y'all and once you give you I'm gonna give you a second to think about it

I want to know your favorite Biggie verse Because I Was thinking about this on the way here I have like

19,000 my favorite jadeck is a verse So I notice it's going to be a tough question for you Something that he said something that touched your soul something that's so awful for you It's the story guy with Tracy Lee

Oh, yeah, the rings and things you think about bringing about Yeah, yeah, what's up really I got an um I got a new mouth-to-feet

Please, I told you all the fucking police

My block and my rock fuck that hip hop the one who's and you don't stop me and my man Let's the chemist sees the face For pounds of weed plants now we're laughing 12 little matches get naked off get money plays anthem

“Thank y'all thank y'all for coming back out for the honor that that's what you don't got to go home”

You got to get the And so and so I want to ask the same question to fat Joe And by the way Joe you're not fatter anymore The jaccao I'm a brother, I got my brother, Jayce Terry and the building man go I was gonna bring you up Jayce Terry the jet makes some noise and the ship is ship so Jayce Terry Dallas, man

You don't you don't just think coach so I want to ask the life so I want to ask the same question to Joey that thinks we call him crap because he was a third grade

This stood up and somebody looked at the back of his ex and he want to sell that to us. I love you very much Thank you You don't call you crack because of that. Yes, you know because of what is the question Jay you know the question is your favorite Big pun verse and all the middle of mine just the harsh realities of life to take the toll even Jesus Christ the sake of my soul You ain't the killer still learning how to walk from New York to Cali on my real niggas cab

Walk you to dep one even talk that he's the west crap from Ross who love crack. We still big point that still ain't the killer It's crazy That's my favorite big pun

“Some love love love just say getting the middle a little a little a little late, right?”

All right guys God was crazy. We are he wrote records in his sleep True story. He wrote records in and he would not know he had that ship when you fall asleep That's God's feet God's feet

Well, is the ghost, man. He's gonna people that being on going to sleep wake up out of the pool Turn on the beat turn all the lights off the electricity in there everything. He wake up. He got the whole song That's the craziest shit ever. I thought I promised it. That's like on your full sleep wake up It'd be like you'll give me the book Start writing a whole song that he heard in his sleep

Not be like damn that night. He was beyond Talented and gifted and even though I discovered pun

“He taught me so much. That's why I'm you know the whole game”

When big pun passed Because he was so much better than me. They thought it was over for fact, yo Counting them out what but no, I everybody my best friend my best friend They didn't know I went to the school a big part He taught me how to write he taught me how to make a 30 minutes think I got to go. I really see you

Yo, listen everybody Jada sports during Taylor love love love love ocean god love you you're Kelly. I'm God your Kelly was stop teacher son the sham guy big downs on Americans He's your mother the sham. Yes, shout out McDonald's all the McDonald's all the major change the bunch of lives and I got a status because it's to make Donald's all American event and I Say this, but I want to say this as a basketball player when you realize that you're going to make Donald's game

That's the first time through as you go into the league. Yeah, you got a shot

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