Episode 666: Anton LaVey Part I - Hail Satan

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“The number of the fucking beast. Is that what that means?”

I never learned 666!

You never got to that level of elementary school.

Oh, the canals out. They get one satanic wish. Yeah, Henry, you should do it. Yeah, you should do it. Oh, it was a terrible radio. God, God, this could be...

They were not tricked. They were not tricked. They were not tricked. They took Henry a full 15 seconds to do it. Which is an eternity on radio. I had a reach quote.

What the hell am I supposed to do? Here we give all of them. Radio book. My name is Marcus Barks. I'm here with resident satinist Henry Zabrowski.

Yes, I carry the burden. I carry the burden of being the most sovereign of us all. Immediately when we start making fun of you. I know what it's like to be to walk around. Being wiser and more moral than everyone else.

That's really the key. He has a pitchfork made out of forks. It's just three, four. The man with no affiliation whatsoever. Ed Larson.

I'm an atheist and proud. Good work. I'm here as the devil's lawyer. That is my literally his advocate. That's nice.

Yes, that's my advocate. That is what that is.

“Honestly, that's why I'm of a started this whole fucking thing.”

Eddie. I saw the devil's advocate on my at a birthday party for myself. And freshman year of high school and I was a hero because her boobs in it. That's sick fuck.

It's got you jumping from one foot to the next. Don't touch touch. Don't taste. But don't swallow. And that's sick fucking asshole.

He's laughing his ass. I enjoy for Henry's birthday this year. I got him a bumper sticker that said. She's got a huge fucking ass. And you got your head all the way up in.

Yeah, I see. And that was an improv line. It was. Yeah. And everyone on set reportedly had to keep themselves from laughing.

Of course, it's incredible.

He's an amazing actor. Except when he does a British accent. Yeah. You ever see paterno? Jerry.

Jerry. You fuck those kids Jerry. Who are you? What's this chair doing here? Whoa.

You gotta do it. Tell me. Who made it tell me? You had that kid. Where?

Inside of what? Jerry. You can't go around calling yourself the tickle monster. Who are you? So for this.

What we assume to be our 666 episode. We decided that we would fully explore the life of the father of Satanism and the creator of the church of Satan itself. Mr. Anton Sandor Love A. And I already got my defensiveness out in our production call.

Nice. About an hour. But we did it. Did he good? Because this is obviously very close.

So you like him. Like us. There's no like here. Okay. Is that about like?

It's about respect. No. He gave me the permission to not like or respect him. Oh. That's very nice of him.

He freed me. Like Charles Bukowski did. Honestly, yes, for some people. You know, I'm going to go ahead and say up top. But it is our aim to not get too bogged down in philosophy during this three-part series.

Because while Anton Lavay is certainly one of the most important occult figures of the 20th century,

he's also one of the most important cultural figures as well. So, well, today any of you can go to a last podcast live show and yell, "Hail Satan." "Hail Satan." "Hail Satan." You can yell that in unison with 2,000 other weirdos of like minds just because it's fun.

You don't have to be a Satanist or anything like that. You just want to join in.

“It's important to remember that the last witch trial in America was held less than a hundred years”

before Anton Lavay founded the Church of Satan in San Francisco.

What? Fucking late. Yeah. Wow.

“So, there was already slavery who's already done.”

Yeah. Yeah. And there's still doing witch trial. Like, let's get one last witch trial in there. Hey, listen.

We don't get to do anything fun anymore. All right. I don't get to have a man as property. I don't get to beat him to death. I mean, I got to burn a woman.

Which trial? That trial. There we go.

We're almost the entirety of the first two millennia of Western Christianity.

Nobody in their right mind openly said that they were a satinist. Being a satinist was not something you claimed. It was something that was accused and more often than not. An accusation was a direct precursor to a horrific and painful execution. But as the Western world began to rapidly evolve into a more secular society in the 20th century,

especially in places like San Francisco, where Anton Lavay founded the Church of Satan,

“enough of a balance existed between secular living and religious belief,”

where something like the Church of Satan could both exist and serve a purpose in the culture at large. Therefore, the story of Anton Lavay is not just the story of the world's most successful circus carny, although that is certainly a massive part of it. Almost almost all of it. This is also the story of just how much culture began to speed up in the second half of the 20th century,

and how Anton Lavay matched and it times surpassed that acceleration. But because American culture did change so quickly, this is also the story of the reactions people had to those changes in the decades after the founding of the Church of Satan, both in the secular and religious worlds. Christians who took Anton Lavay seriously destroyed countless lives during the satanic panic

that crept into American life in the decades after the founding of the Church of Satan. While Satanists like Richard Romeras, who completely misunderstood Anton Lavay, they committed horrific murders in Satan's so-called name. Both of course completely missed the point of Satanism, or at least Satanism as I personally see it. For me, Satanism is like the carnival from whence Anton Lavay came.

The whole thing is set up to be a little unsettling and a little scary, but it's also supposed to retain an element of goofiness, an element of play. You don't believe me, contrasts the sinister Church of Satan black masses in the 60s with the silly little red devil outfit that Anton Lavay sometimes wore while he was doing them. Point is, just like a night at the carnival, Satanism is supposed to be all in good fun.

Important but not serious, but that's just my opinion. And for the record, I'm not a satanist. If you ask five satanists what they think Satanism is, you'll get five different answers.

“And if you think your way is the only way that again, for the best to my understanding,”

you've missed the fucking point. Honestly, thank you Marcus. Because that's the big issue here that we're going to be covering in this whole series. Is what is the point of Anton Lavay? Sure, right?

Like what is the point of covering him? Because even Alistair Crowley, his like direct predecessor, is like he was way more of a poet, scholar, writer. You all of that, right? He was way more of a serious student. Anton Lavay picked up the golden path and said, this shit's dumb.

I know a way to do that's better. And there's just something about this that it holds true for every satanist. And that's why what I love is that we're going to do this topic. And we're going to get angry emails no matter what. Because it's him.

It's him. It's on episode. It's him. And other satanists argue. And that's the kind of whole idea is that he's trying to tell you here's the stuff.

Now go, even me as the Pope of the Church of Satan. It's not that serious of a fucking role. Exactly.

I always saw Satan as a form of atheism.

Well, he actually then, I reclarified. Because I've always kind of said this as a shorthand. And that's a way to say it as a shorthand. But I know that within with your re-read the satanic Bible, you read it. Yeah.

[LAUGHTER] He's a really bold assumption. You've just made that with Edward. [LAUGHTER] Well, he specifically says, this is a separate from God in all this shit.

This is specifically, as we'll get all into it. The Church of Satan, Levian, Satanism, is all about making fun of the bastards. Yeah, it's a lifestyle more than a religion. Yes. A philosophy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's an asshole lifestyle. Yeah, you called him success. Was he successful? Like, did was he did he have money?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He lived a pretty good life throughout. And when I say successful, I mean more notorious. Yeah, yeah. You know what?

Successful is, and he had the goal of bringing the Church of Satan to the world. He wanted to, like, he is, I would call Anton Levate the most successful local character in the history of the world. Okay.

Because that was his, his really, because we're going to get into that far more in the second episode.

That's weird. Exactly. That's it. It's like Big Lebowski puts him in the run. And for we're just guy in the world. Yeah.

“You know, and it just kind of grew from there.”

And it just got bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. And it grew to the point where like Anton Levate, well, it's a little bit lazy. But the point was like, I don't want to deal with this anymore.

Oh, it's never supposed to be all that fucking serious.

Yeah. And then he got serious. And then it got un-serious. And got serious again. And he got an un-serious.

And now we're back in a serious point. Which is why we're covering the fucking first place. Now, as is befitting a man, sometimes known as the dirty Pope. Anton Levate was what you'd call a complicated character. He wasn't a shiny beacon of morality.

He was the founder of the Church of Satan. Did Anton Levate hop knob with neo-Nazis in the 70s? Absolutely. And we'll cover those incredible idiots in full on the next episode along with the reason why Satanism was attractive to said neo-Nazis.

And how that disease of thought will also go on to fuck up the whole thing to begin with. Additionally, was Anton Levate a bad husband, partner, and father? Yes, yes, and yes. But again, he's the founder of the Church of Satan. He's not going to be Pedro Pascal.

He should be there. No one's saying that we should be modeling ourselves after Anton Levate. But shortcomings aside, Anton Levate is still an incredibly important figure in the cultural history of the 20th century.

“His is an important tale to know if you want to get closer to understanding the modern world.”

How did we get here?

That's always the question.

And even besides that, even after you factor in the many, many lies, Anton Levate told throughout his life, his story is still utterly fascinating. There's no reason to let facts get in the way of a good story. Yeah. Is that his quote?

Oh, no, that's just truth. I think that's. And before we get into the full live story of Anton Levate, I think it would be helpful. And also, you know, it's episode 666. Yeah.

Let's do a short history of Satan. Satan. Satan. It's just so everyone has a full concept. Holy.

Yeah. Oh, oh, scratch. It was a big fuck. It was a big leap. So the image of Satan as a red devil with horns and a pitch fork.

It's a relatively recent invention prior to the 20th century.

“Satan could appear as green, yellow, blue or black.”

You could take the form of a serpent, a beast, a goat. Any manner of monster depending on which artist was painting him during what time period. Yes, the guy got him. Sick of painting ghosts. That was bad.

Well, most images of the devil throughout the second millennium often came from painters

working on the behest of a church. The little red devil image of Satan is thought to have come from the street puppet shows of the late 18th century. Puppeteers gave Satan a flashy color that made it easier for children to pay attention to the story they were telling in their puppet show.

I mean, you know what I mean? Oh, no. It's the devil. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Now when you combine that red coloring with a moustache-yode Mephystopheles character from the 18th century playfoused, you had an image that looked great in print once color printing became common in the 20th century. And so the red pitch-fork wielding Satan with a little curly moustache, he became a popular character

in advertising. He popped. That's where the red devil comes from. It comes from advertising. Yeah.

And the red devil, therefore, took his place is simply the latest iteration of Satan going back through a history. It was about a thousand years old. But it seems like Satan is the goat. This is just my personal opinion.

Yeah. Seems like Satan is the goat is made a big comeback again because of shifting medium. The witch. Yeah. We went from static images to moving ones.

And, you know, red devil Satan looks fucking stupid on on screen except for maybe in cities. That red devil school. Yeah. It does look stupid though, but it's still scary somehow.

Yeah. It looks stupid and scary. But goat Satan looks fucking awesome on screen. Has anybody seen Hexen? Yeah.

You've seen Hexen. You know like that devil. Yeah. That's the devil. That's incredible.

And the return of the goat is also due to Anton Lovey. But bathroomette will not appear in this series until later. You know, it's just funny because as we'll get into it now, Satan was not even that big deal to Christianity in the very beginning. For about the first thousand years. Yeah.

Like he kind of got retconned into the villain. Yeah. Yeah. Because he hated heaven. Well, there's many ways.

He's again. He's a great foiled a god. Yeah. And actually that thing, the whole about him hating heaven and all that.

Okay.

“But there's a whole set like it's that's I find personally I find the history of Satan as a figure fucking endlessly fascinating.”

You know how I view it? Like when you say it like you really see because I was reading about Irving Berlin's writings about Satan. He wrote several songs about Satan. There's a couple of things. And every one of those songs are like he's old piece of material before the modern inclination of Satan.

Kind of position Satan as people like boy, boy. Like the people of the street. And there's some about that.

He's always been connected back to us versus like the ruling class.

Well, not always really since the late 18th early 19th century. We'll get to that here in a bit. I always looked at Satan as a figure that existed to make sure that Christians were scared and to morality. Well, we'll also get into that because this whole thing is an evolution. It took seriously it took thousands of years for it to get to this point to me.

And I'm the very end of the process. Now if you look at Satan as he is actually portrayed in Christian history, he has no set form even in the Bible. He's a shape changer. He's positioned to oppose God as a serpent, a dragon. Sometimes he's a everything creature with bird feet, lizard hands, short sharp claws.

Cells apples. One of my favorite late medieval depictions. Satan showed up as a hideous green monster with unusable bat wings and a face on his butt. He's trying to tempt St. Augustine.

“He's got a bulk of vices and he's showing it to St. Augustine.”

I like that one. Yeah. You like that one? Yeah. I blow you with my ass.

Hey.

I kiss my mother with that ass.

St. Augustine is holding up his havoc. No, no, no, no, no. I will not give into your vices devils. As cool as you are. The face, of course, represented the belief that witches had to kiss the devil's anus in a sort of heretic homage.

In the earlier days of Christianity, Satan was actually portrayed as somewhat of a bumbling buffoon. He was the Washington Generals to God's Harlem Globe Trotters. Satan would try time and again to tempt man. But because he was such a buffoon, he would fail in the face of God's great power. And man's unbreakable faith.

He was a trickster at best. Yeah. Oh, we also got to get tricked into a contract. Like that's the thing too. Mark Twain would use him as a kind of care of funny character.

But even way before Twain. Yeah. Because then you could probably connect them to the same other mischievous characters of all those kind of folklore, like a non-z. And these other types of things. Yeah.

And we're like Loki like this idea of chaos. Sure. So something is coming. That's a both it. Because the chaos is tempting.

Yeah. Of course. And you know, he's also linked to, you know, the Sataners of Greek mythology, you know, the horny goat man and all that shit. There's a lot of different characters came together to kind of, and Loki, of course.

I think is a good one too. There's been many things of a hundred days of a hundred and twenty days of Sodom. Let's read it together. When did he learn the fiddle? No.

That was actually 73. Yeah. I believe. Yeah. Obviously it was after his period playing the clarinet.

As we all know, the most evil woodwinds.

“You know, the difference between the fiddle and a violin?”

Fiddles played by a racist. Yeah. I heard that. I thought it was just because I was too fat to play the violin. Eventually, the church recognized that Satan was being wasted as a simple foil.

As someone who is just like, yeah, God's great Satan sucks whatever. It took about a thousand years. But the church realized that Satan was far more useful as an adversary. Because of Christianity had a villain. Someone actively working against God on earth.

Then the church could attribute man's actions to Satan himself. Because I believe didn't Judaism at the time. Before all of these things, it kind of came out of it. They didn't have a set devil. From what I see, from what I know my cursory research.

They said the gollum was what I was always.

Well, the gollum is like an anti reality. It's like someone's making someone's being God in the face of God by creating a man out of the out of dirt. God is the gollum. A humum kill. A moon kill.

Yeah. I know in Islam, like their devil is like shaitan. Yes. Which is more of a genie, like a gen. A white man.

[laughter] White devil. White devil. Let me guess. Well, if the church could make people believe

that Satan was meddling in earthly matters, then it made criticism of the church. Or it's members far easier to dismiss as the work of the devil. It's usually took them a thousand, a thousand years to come up with this idea. And that evil fuck came up with that idea. Got the bonus of the year.

[laughter] The Pope was like, "Oh, fucking shit, man." This guy is a bunch of boys. [laughter]

Because Satan gave people something to do.

“It's something to fight against, which is the same principle.”

Of course, that led to the rise of QAnon, which also is centered around Satan. But from identifying people as Satan's agents on earth, it wasn't too much of a stretch to convince people that anything allied with the devil was too dangerous to live. And must therefore be executed.

What that meant was that before the 20th century, fucking nobody willingly identified as a Satanist. If people did confess to Satan worship, they were either insane, or they'd been coerced into confessing through torture or the threat of execution. And often, they'd be fucking executed anyway, even if they did confess.

Because punishments kind of varied from panic to panic, judge to judge. It's kind of up to the guy. Yeah, you can burn, you're gonna hang, you get squished. Yeah, even in Salem, there were some people who confessed that live, some people who confessed that still died.

Interesting. Yeah, it's really up to the whims of whoever. It's almost like none of it's real. It's almost like they just did it to kill people they didn't like. Yeah, yeah, and in Salem, you know, a lot of times it was,

“it also became very useful for people in Salem, for example.”

Like I want that guy's land. He's not gonna sell it to me. Call 'em a witch. Call 'em a witch. Call 'em a good sorting with the devil at night.

Yeah, so I'm concerning with the devil, and then that guy's dead. You buy the plot of land from the town. All good. See, I would just be like, you saw the devil? No, no, no, no.

No, that's all the say that Satanism didn't really exist until Anton Lafay created it, at least as a religion. But what's extremely interesting about all this is that Levey and Satanism isn't really based on the biblical Satan. Because relatively speaking, there's not a lot of Satan in the Bible.

In fact, the word Satan is used less than 60 times in the King James version of the Bible, which is insane for someone who is according to the church, supposed to be one of the main characters of the story. This is when they glide to us about a jubbery moron scream. Or when they do that thing, where they show the guy like in the trail.

And they're all like, oh man, Benito Del Toro's gonna be amazing as Magnito's brother

and a fucking shot man in the first scene. And you're like, what the fuck? Yeah, they rarely even used him in the sequel of the Bible. Yeah, very little.

“Yeah, it was just, actually, I think it was one scene when Jesus is out in the desert,”

the 40 days and 40 nights. And even that was a hangout. That was like a hangout. That was a loose, long discussion. Where they were just chillin' out.

Oh, yeah, that he sucked his thorny cock. I guess that's the one in the last track. And even in the Old Testament, it's just, yeah, him, you know, tempting you with the apple and then the bet that he, like, him and God gambling over Job, you know.

And also God was scary enough. Yeah, God was fine. So instead of using the Bible, Anton LeVe drew far more inspiration from Satan as he was depicted in arguably the best piece of fan fiction ever written, Paradise Lost by John Milton.

Basically, LeVe taking from Paradise Lost,

it's no different from someone who, like, say, if this week started a religion based around Neil Gaiman's depiction of Lucifer in Sanman, you don't, you don't exact same fucking thing. You don't think that's fucking happened. You don't really don't think that's somewhere deep within the folds of Tumblr

that there is not an entire society devoted to that. Yeah. So this is the Milton that Donald's author is talking about an animal house. Yes. Yeah.

How many of you guys? All right. All right. And then you got it. Go on, man.

So in Paradise Lost, Satan wages a war against God and loses, but Milton expanded the story of Satan far beyond what's mentioned in the Bible. In Milton's version, Satan makes the best of his punishment after being sent to hell. Instead of suffering for eternity, Satan transforms hell into a place where it is quote,

"That's just a rain in hell." Then serve in heaven. Fuck yeah. Dude, he's like, fucking John Taffer from Bar Rescue. You can't ran in hell because then they'll put out all the fires.

Yeah. God. That's sort of comes into the, you know, the movie The Devil's Rain, which is, firstly, one of my favorite, like Satanic exploitation movies,

and Tomovay was actually a belief he was a consultant. It's the only really he's ever consulted on a fore Satanism. Yeah. It's incredible. At Ernest Borgneye plays a Satanic cult leader.

He's fucking awesome. And Ernest Borgneye then disavowed the movie. Yeah. From then on, because he was such as, like, it was as he was scared. He got scared by what he did in the movie and by hanging out with Antonovay.

Because just the idea of Ernest Borgneye, Antonovay, hanging out. I want to smoke cigars. Yeah.

Well, Milton's version of Satan is so influential

that lines like the Rain and Hell one,

“they're often thought to be from the Bible.”

A lot of people think that they shit that was written about in paradise, lost, or, like, fucking Dante's divine comedy, the idea of, like, the circles of help. People think that that's from the Bible. It's not.

It's all fiction. Like the Bible. Yeah. The circles of help that's from the divine comedy that was written in the 14th century.

It's really helpful, actually, because I really didn't want to read the Bible. This is what we got to know. It starts wet and hot. Yeah. This stuff isn't from the Bible.

I mean, all this stuff about, you know,

raining and hell, it comes from a blind Puritan,

dictating verses to his daughters in the 1600s. Now, even though John Milton was indeed a Puritan, his reworking of Satan in Paradise lost was a great inspiration to writers in the romantic age, like Byron and Shelley,

who wrote poems in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, reimagining Satan as a romantic figure, who is opposed to God, but not opposed to humanity. They used Satan as a way to criticize the power of churches and governments, while championing the values of reason and liberty,

which is very much in line with modern Satanism. This is what you'd call non-theistic Satanism, where it's all about myths and symbols, rather than it being a religion where God and Satan are actual supernatural beings who meddle in our affairs.

And Levine Satanism, Satan is not real. He's not some guy, which is something that I cannot fucking stress enough. You know, it is the spirit of human potential. That is kind of how he puts it all together. What Satan stands for is humanity and our freedom,

and our ability to be free from all of what we assume or built in hierarchies to reality. Like, that's kind of what this is all about. The story of the Garden of Eden is about releasing two pets to the street. That's what it's about.

“It's about the snake saying, you understand that your pets here, right?”

Yeah. And it's like, yeah, life's better as a pet, and it really sucks being out there in the fucking world, but you have freedom. You have the freedom of choice.

You have the freedom to do whatever you want to do. You get to fuck. Yeah. Like literally, you get to fuck, you get to eat, you get to play. Music, you get to do all of the things you want to do.

You don't have to say that. You're gonna work. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of bad shit that goes with it.

It's very difficult, but the point is, like, you're, and Satanism also kind of gives a bit of a framework of, like, well, and here's how we all do this together. Can I ask a dumb existential question that obviously doesn't have a real answer? Okay, is hell on earth?

Heaven's a place on earth. You know what that's worth. Like, all right, so if hell exists, and it's, like, a part of, like, humanity, does, like, if there's, like, another, like, planet with a bunch of aliens,

“do they have the same Satan or do they have a different Satan?”

I don't know. We're fully, and I don't know. And I've read all the science stuff. I've read all the books. They've read the Peter Hill.

I've read it. Honestly, they hated me. What's in that hole? Wasn't that the plot of an episode of Pretty Faced? Doesn't an alien go to hell?

It is literally, yes, because it gets abducted. And we take the alien and comes down to hell. And the alien gods come and pull it out. Yeah, because he dies on earth, and he doesn't know what it is. Just to anyone who dies on earth, it doesn't.

Yeah, it's great. According to the early early Christians, they apparently, there was a place that their, that this could have been. There was, like, this apparently some valley that they would kind of, like, they pinpointed it for a while saying hell's over there.

And, but, no, it does not technically, according to all of this, you would leave planet earth. Yeah, okay. And you'd go to another realm. Yeah.

Now, ideally, you know, concerning morality, concerning the rules about what you do when you're out and about out of the, out of the garden of Eden, Satan is, like, antonovee in the symbolic vein. Are supposed to do as little harm to others as they can possibly manage,

in their pursuits of pleasure, knowledge and power. One of the central tenants is that you're not supposed to hurt anyone else, unless they hurt you first.

Never cross into another man's territory.

But when antonovee brought the worship of Satan into modern society, even if it was, just as a symbol, he also introduced the possibility that one might interpret worshipping Satan as worshipping the concept of evil itself, as Christians see it.

Leve, therefore, accidentally also gave birth to a whole crop of theistic Satanists who believe in Satan just as verbally as a Christian fundamentalist believes in God. These are people, like serial killer Richard Romeras,

It must be said, however, that theistic Satanists are incredibly rare.

Evil Satanists committing ritualistic murder that happens in novels. TV movies that portrayed by Christ for Lee or Ernest Borgnein.

“But Christians committing murder in the name of Jesus?”

Well, that's just the history of the Western world. Well, Mark is alive. I just called how they won. Whether it be the Crusades, manifest destiny, the Spanish conquest of South America,

the Spanish inquisition, the Iraq War, the murder of gay people in Africa, or millions of smaller atrocities throughout the last 2,000 years, far more people have stained humanity with blood spilled in Jesus' name than Satan's. This, of course, is partly why today's fundamentalist Christians are working so fucking hard to prevent your kids from learning our actual history.

Satan is still an incredibly useful scapegoat for the people in power, and he's still an extremely effective voguey man to use when people are questioning why they're being told to kill other humans. For a worryingly recent example, we can go to our latest war in Iran. Earlier this year, over 200 American soldiers across all branches of the military reported

that they were being told by their superiors in the United States military that the Iran War was a precursor to Armageddon, that they were there to trigger the final battle between God and Satan. What this tells me is that Satan, as a real enemy, is prime to make a big fucking come back. And whether you're Christian, Jewish, atheist, agnostic, or whatever,

you really aren't going to like the world that's made when these people start using the battle against Satan as an excuse for their actions.

“Never forget that most of the people executed as witches at Salem were themselves”

committed Christians who pled their innocence and faith right up to the moment the rope wrapped around their necks by their good Christian neighbors ended their fucking life. It has happened before and it can happen again. And that's why I, as the resident trolled fucking shithead of this show, still call myself a Satanist because we are at the precipice of another religious war

within the United States of America. It is happening right now just like we said before, and we have to really think about this. Because yes, there is evil, the other stick Satanists. We're not going to go into right now order nine angles or seven, six, four or these other things. That's still, that's kind of modern, but the real shit is the fact that several hundred million people

believe in another fake character called God that he's killing the rest of us. And so that's why I kind of think that the scales are not even here. Yeah, Satan never killed everyone on earth. Never know what. Again, we are in the middle of history right now.

Like that's why we're talking about this is because Satan has always been a very powerful figure

at least has been for the last thousand years. Satan has been extraordinarily powerful figure. And we're about to see how powerful that figure really is again. So if the war against Satan and God and Iran is supposed to bring on Armageddon,

“does that mean we're going to lose to Satan or do we go?”

No, we try to do it in the world. We trigger Armageddon and God kills everybody. Except for the super religiousity turns them into ghosts. So we should in that theory kill God. Yeah, we have to kill God.

We get the lens of launches. We need to take up a little lift. I know how to do it. Yeah, I know how to do it. I know how to do it.

All right, cool. All right. Call my friends. I'm going to stab God in the heart. Now, part of what Ant on the Bay was trying to do with the creation of the Church of Satan

was to banish the superstition around God and the devil. So we could avoid such whip sedues as the Salem witch trials. Of course, it had the exact opposite effect. The Bay recognized that the modern world acquired an evolution of religion. Because Christianity had become too brittle and restrictive to serve any actual purpose

and making our lives better in any meaningful way.

I don't know about you, but the Church never did jack shit for me.

Besides giving me nightmares and making me feel guilty about masturbation. Didn't stop me for masturbating. Fuck, my brother Thomas still calls me little him in my goddamn forties because I masturbated so much in my youth. But because of the Church, I would beg Jesus for forgiveness.

So I wouldn't go to hell every time I did it, which was a lot. And that was a lot of waste in energy. And the Church gave me the bonus fear of being terrified about just the possibility of being gay. Because I knew being gay wasn't a choice, but if it wasn't a choice, then that meant that being gay was a guaranteed ticket to hell.

So even having a fluid thought was absolutely fucking terrifying. In other words, the modern Christian Church can really fuck up a kid with even half a brain who has an interest in things outside of their immediate sphere of experience. The modern world does not fit with the modern church.

The Church actively hurt my family. It actually forced my mother out of it.

They shamed her for the divorce after her first husband beat the shit out of her.

They shamed her for it.

“Then I always remember when I went to the priest and I was trying to ask him what his purpose was.”

And it was the first time anybody ever called me a little devil. And you wonder why I'm fucking like this? Yeah, the bishop at my church that I was an altar boy for. He ended up banging a bunch of boys. It was a fucking second day.

They fired him or moved him up to Michigan. And then I found out recently because I looked up the story. And the guy they replaced him with. He fucked a bunch of kids. No, hey, it's not broke.

No, are you sure the M wasn't for Marcus? It was both. He was very, it was when you'd call a double on Tondra. He was a pretty funny brother. He was a very funny brother. It was both Little Marcus and Little Master Bader.

Don't worry, he clarified. Oh, yeah.

I can't wait to hear it again because I know we'll hear it the next time I see him.

You will. No, it's interesting. Is it Satanism as a self-declared religion defined by an intentional religiously motivated generation of Satan? That did not exist in any meaningful form until Anton the Bay created it in 1966.

That's part of what it sounds like it's not true, but it is. Yeah. And it's what makes Anton the Bay such a fascinating character. I mean, yeah, he could be a little douchey. He was certainly abusive.

And he was definitely too comfortable with fascism for my personal taste. Yeah, he started a religion. Yeah. But he also pushed culture into exploring its darkest corners by shining lights into areas not normally seen.

In other words, he was elusive for a light-bringer. And for that, his story certainly deserves to be told. And I'll see. I also know people I'm already hearing my history.

People scream about the cathars.

And he's like, listen, we're talking about actual church of Satan put together. The cathars were weird branch of nostics. The nostics also believed in a devil god that created this physical realm, but that's taking this back to a context level in which we will all starve to death. [laughter]

Yeah, I need to go. If we start from the beginning of thought, yeah, we could talk about it. Yeah, I chose. I looked at it and I said, no, you don't need it. So Satanism is younger than Scientology.

Yes, because Scientology is 50. Satanism is 66. You probably learned a lot from Scientology to be frank. I know that he did go, he won't get on to a lot of different things. I don't know about him and Elrond.

He got happy to have me. I actually don't think he ever met with Elrond. I don't see any of that in both of the bodies.

“No, honestly, I don't think they would have.”

They would, I think they would have been two post-on forces. Like they were very, they would have hated each other. I think they literally would have gotten to a physical fight. Yeah, if a pretty good bitch left five. Oh, that's right.

Oh, that's right. Now, before we get into the full story, let's acknowledge our sources today. I mean, too, we're the secret life of a Satanist by Blanch Barton, and born with a tail by Doug Brod. Out of the two, go with born with a tail.

It does a fantastic job of sifting through Anton the Bay's mini exaggerations and lies. And in fact, we'll probably talk to Doug Brod on an interview here soon. Oh, yeah, also read that, Morale. Yeah, oh, yeah.

We'll get tonight, Mary Alley later on. So without further ado, let's get into the life of the dirty Pope, the Black Pope, the Devil's Pope himself, Anton Sandolevay. If you want to say, "Reggie Satanist." Welcome to today's Black Mass, it's truly one of the most evil Diabolical things

that one didn't do. And Toma Bay is so funny. Yeah. His accent is so annoying. Yeah, Reggie, Reggie, Satanist say, "You want to listen to the Clipe?"

Yeah, I know. It's this called, this is called Clowns Lament. No one will be at this called Clowns Lunch Order. Yeah, I'm just sitting here and there's, you know, I got a line. And I love my line.

And all of my neighbors are saying all the lines to loud. I'm saying there's a line. What are you talking about? Okay, let me just get safely. Hey, I'm nice to meet you.

Let me guess. Why should 95 pounds? Right? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm really fucking good. But like almost every occult is in modern history. And Toma Bay's life prior to his fame is difficult to parse. Because almost every popular 20th century occultist was at some level, a showman, who knew

“that a bit of self mythology is important.”

I would put it on a scale, right? Because then I'd put him, because Alistair Crowley was sort of like Alistair Crowley, HP be a little bit more on the serious side. He's way on the other show biz side. He's on the circus side.

Yeah, very much. So I'm going to get to that. Like he is a fucking carny. Yeah. I know that Mr. Leve does not sound as good in the song.

No. Yeah. Well, a bit of self mythology, it gives these guys, it gives their ideas a bit of a hook.

if they believe that person has led a special and unique life. Americans love the chosen one.

“And so, Anton Leve was born Howard Stanton Leve on April 11, 1930.”

They never call me Howard.

They never call me Howard. But 19 courses on you. You had a full head of black hair, strange, amber eyes, and an actual tail, which sounds like we're starting with the light. But in this case, the wild claim is actually true.

Some people are born with an extra vertebrae at the end of their spine. Something called a caudal appendage. It appears to be a tail. And while most people today just remove it, Anton Leve kept his tail throughout his form of years.

In those early days, Anton was called Thony, by friends and family. Thony Leve, which is a very normal name. Likewise, Anton Leve's parents were fairly normal middle-class people from Chicago, named Garchrude and Michael. Leve, however, claims that his maternal grandmother, Luba Corton, would regal him with tales

concerning the mysteries of her eastern European homeland. Leve described his grandmother in the Satanic Bible as a so-called Gypsy, who told in tales of the vampires and witches who populate the Her Holmland of Thorn Solvenia. Although we now know that she was from Ukraine. She was not from Transylvania.

Also, of course, if you're going to write a Bible, you can't put your grandma in it. It's not really about it. That's it. Well, Luba Corton's brother was known as Anton Sandor. And it was this name that little Tony Leve would take years later after also tweaking

his last name just a little bit. He had to sound a little more evil, a little less nerdy, because no one is following Howard Leve into a black mass. Honestly, the balls I would have loved to have. Obviously, you need a magical transformation.

That's a part of what this is, too. He knows you need a magical transformation in order to appear to people like you've had

“a magical transformation, so you have to change your name and look.”

Let's kind of like, it's just boilerplate.

But Howard Leve, the pope of evil Howard Leve, such, it's almost more powerful.

Yeah, I love everybody. Has enough excellent for everyone, but no one bowl of it is poison. I love that great comedic actor Eugene Leve. Oh, if his name was Eugene Leve, he would have been eaten too much pussy in order to be an actor.

Oh, yeah, Gene Leve. Yeah, well, Gene, hi. Oh, wait. Gene Leve sounds like a man who invents a pussy eating machine. There we go.

It's diesel. Same brand. The sense Anton Leve was indeed the founder of the Church of Satan. One of his earliest childhood experiences that he wrote about years later had everything to do with the development of his sexual fetishes. Namely, Anton Leve was a committed, you're a filiac, meaning his fetish was your a nation.

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It's Janet.

“Anton claimed that when he was five years old, a little girl coaxed him into her bedroom at a birthday party.”

But when the girl's mother caught them and scolded the girl, she peed her pants. Which Leve claimed set him down the quote, "Fetishistic sexual path towards water sports." Leve further wrote that he believed that men born in different eras would have different fixations. Leve's type, for example, came from the beauty standards of the 1940s. He wrote that if he had a type.

It was a fleshy, heavily made up mall with bail, translucent skin. Who pissed the panties? When he wrote, he purposely put a period after translucent skin with bail, translucent skin. Who pissed her panties? Anton.

He would talk about it a lot. If you look at him too, there is so many other romantic ways to write it. He's like, "Hey, I just like it too much. No, I just like it too much. No, I just like it too much."

Pay a translucent skin. And your baby didn't pay. It's like the only time, either. He's like, "And then when I was 11, it was collecting bottles." And I saw a lady's bathroom and there was a hole in the wall.

And I watched a woman get her next. He did. He did. Well, Anton the Bay was born in Chicago.

It's been a lot of time moving around the American West during the first 10 years of his life.

I know that for a fact. That's actually what Mallorque is. Yes. It is nanny-like piss. Despite all this, Anton the Bay was more or less a San Francisco native.

In 1940, when Anton was 10, his family moved into 18 Redwood Avenue, where his father sold car parts and his mother worked as a typist, which is partly a recipe for evil. In fact, Leve would later describe his parents as people who were completely devoid of religion. People who held no strong opinions about anything.

He called his mother a "fliver to jibbit." Oh, yeah, "fliver to jibbit." I love that word.

She was always re-arranged in furniture,

making her family move house constantly, even though his father hated moving. Leve, meanwhile, was a bookish child who hated sports, which comes as a surprise to no one. What are you saying? The cruelest guy in the world.

“You have to stay away from places where you'd beat up.”

Pissed that panty. Unfortunately, his head was shaped like a football. Yeah. So if you hadn't been here, a field started kicking him. Yeah.

He was a strange-looking boy who grew into a strange-looking adult. He has big ears, narrow eyes, that football shaped oval head. But instead of being ashamed, Leve said that he took pride as a young boy in being an outcast. Strangely, he said that the one place where he found community in his youth was the boy scouts of a narrative.

Specifically, the cubscouts. Love the cubscouts. He earned his bare badge. Always had fantastic things to say about scouts.

You don't want to say about Satanists and Leve and Satanists in particular

that it is considered to be a positive attribute. It's being very handy. Being very self-sufficient. Being independent. So they do have being able to tie knots and do something.

I feel like that's kind of like a every single test of Anton Leve's life is like every scene where he learned it. Instead of like learning to be a part of society, it's like he saw it all. And he saw the bits and parts of society he kind of wanted to adhere to.

“Like he very much immediately understood as a little boy.”

Like, I'm going to guide myself. And I'm going to do whatever the hell it is I want to do. He was a brilliant person. I mean, and that's one of the things that you see throughout history, especially in the cult leaders.

I mean, Anton Leve wasn't a cult leader. But you see people who understand systems, especially humanities. Humanities like just societal systems. Those are the people who change things. Or those are the people they either change them.

Or they use those systems to get laid.

Like Keith Reneri. Yeah. He understood systems perfectly. Anton Leve also understood systems in house society work. But he used it to figure out how to be independent.

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Well at the same time as Zed Zed was working as a parent. He was also making money in the Istanbul fire brigade as an arsonist who would set fires at mansions. The brigade would then extort money out of the wealthy owners before the fire brigade would put out the fire that they had started themselves. You'd be such a strange bed day for the fire to not be put that time.

Crazy on the firemen, you brought it in a fire by skit, don't know how we died. [laughter] Yes, name said Zed. I'm fake and everything. I've never done it.

But the 1880s Zed was an arm salesman trying to unload second rate multi-barled machine guns

and steam powered submarine. Yes, actually doesn't make sense. Yeah, they kind of worked. Yeah, not the earliest submarine. The earliest submarines were used in the Civil War.

The American Civil War. Oh, yeah, the monitor in the marimax. Yeah, there's a dude with coal shoveling in the bottom of most people on board would faint. Where did the steam go?

The big pipe. Oh, so they still had like a snorkel. Yeah, yeah, it's not going that deep. But when I say submersible, I mean it just goes right underneath. Yeah, they're going against like the U-boats.

I mean, this is very early submarine technology. Oh, no. These early submersibles would get so hot that the crew would faint. But Zed Zed still managed to sell six steam powered 19th century submarines to the Greeks, the Turks, and the Russians.

Now, as an arms dealer, Zed Zed truly wasn't evil individual. Even if he didn't often hold the gun that did the killing. It said Zed Zed and you know, every idea has to

have someone who did it first.

So they're going to be one guy who comes up with the evil idea first. Zed Zed was the guy who came up the idea to sell arms to both sides of the conflict, conflicts that he himself would help provoke. There's a lot of people that say, "There's nothing innocent in war, but I tell you, there is the gun."

[laughter] It has no mother, it has no father. The gun goes to the home in which the gun needs to go. That he's no gang. Gun flag?

You know what I'm saying? You see? It didn't be sell weapons for three decades to every side of every conflict in Europe, Asia, and South America, from like, like, 1890, up until like 1920. Like Zed Zed was there and all of them. And that's a violent time in human history.

It's the best you can just like wait for everyone to kill each other and then go collect all the guns. Sell them again? Yeah! Yes, you got it, put it all together. In World War I alone, Zed Zed sold millions of machine guns.

He was a true merchant of debt. His zeal for selling weapons, I would describe it as almost manic. His greatest ability was the instinctive understanding of when to offer bribes and who to offer them too. And his wheeling and dealing made him the modern equivalent of a billionaire by 1920.

Now, to me, Zed Zed is no different from the depots. He just has a lot more fun with it.

“So Henry, what is it about Zed that makes him a de facto of Satanist?”

How does he influence the development of Satanism? I think that when he's reading it, the reason why it becomes attractive to Anton Levay in the terms of Satanism is that that very central evil idea is actually also about freedom.

So yes, obviously it is the opposite side of freedom.

“It's like, oh, you know how we always say, I like the internet truly neutral.”

Yeah, you cannot call it good or bad because it just exists. It is the collection of our subconscious. I kind of view it as the same way when he sees somebody pluck an idea like that over the air with that is a societal loophole. What he sees this thing that is a loophole that no one else is considering. And he's making all of the money off of it.

And in his mind, I am just a, I've arrived because war has given me a purpose. Sure. Like I am not here. I wouldn't be here if there wasn't war. And if these guys aren't all willing to buy these guns for me, I wouldn't be here.

So just like for me with Satanism, there's a lot of that. Satanism, there's a lot of like breaking the system. And they don't evangelize. Yeah. It's about you choose it.

You mean you go make it, you go choose it. So there's a little bit of that. The guns on kill people, people, people, people. Yes. And so Anton the Vade saw that this guy had taken advantage of a loophole in the system.

And it's not necessarily that he admired all of the death that Zed brought. I think he did as a young man.

“I think he thought it was kind of cool and fun.”

Probably. Yeah. But he also kind of reviewed the idea of someone who's like, I don't have a country. Yeah. I'm a billionaire between all the lines.

Yeah. Yeah. He was fond of saying like, hello.

My name is Zed and I have $16 million dollars.

I still only want to do his business. Yeah. Now out of all the influences that led to the creation of the Church of Satan. The one thing that Anton the Vade credited for his success in creating the Church was the showmanship. He learned from the many world's fairs and exhibitions that his parents took him to see in his early years.

Fairs and exhibitions were massively popular throughout the first half of the 20th century. I mean, the ruins of world's fairs dot this entire country, the Wigsphere and Knoxville. Oh, yeah. You know, like the big globe and queens. Yeah.

Or the two things from the Men and Black movie. Yeah. Also in Queens. Yeah. Yeah.

Now that our country, the skeletons of these things are still everywhere. And Anton Blave believed that basically he was in the right place at the right time to absorb all of this. All the fairs he attended. It was the 1939 Golden Gate International Expo held on San Francisco's treasure island that had the most lasting influence. There Anton the Vade had what he called his first satanic awakening.

While he was at an exhibition called Sally Rans nude rat. Is that the type of awakening you would think it? I mean, yes, you're probably some kind of awakening. Yeah. You know, but it shows to me how serious we're supposed to take Satanism.

It's always remember these are the influences.

Yeah. Damn. Now that's a very good point. A ranch and San Francisco on Treasure Island, no less. Yeah.

Now this awakening did not come solely from the topless cowgirls who spun laryots and pitched horseshoes for the crowd. Although the nude ranch show itself was indeed one hell of an affair. In fact, it was led by one of the 20th centuries greatest opponents of censorship, a woman named Sally Rans. Who is another of Lavaz de facto satinists? I mean, on one time, she looked in the past and a person, and you're like, oh, you know, like, you know, standards were different.

Sally Rans was fucking hot. Fully modern person. Yes, no. Modern hot woman. Yeah.

Sally Rans had gained fame in the 1920s and 30s for popularizing the fan dance, playing Peekaboo with her audience, while teasing them with massive fans made from ostrich feathers. Starting in Burlesque, Sally Rans became even more well known when sound was added to film, which made her fan dancing act a national craze because, yeah, she could do the fan dance on film,

“but it's not as good unless you have the, do, do, do you have the music to go along with her?”

I want to move her. I want to move her. I want to. Yeah. I want to move her.

And the barter. But fucking was invented to that music. I think about that, like this type of dirty sex was invited. Yeah, it was. Sally Rans was most famous for appearing nude in public to make a point.

Six years before Leve saw Sally Rans nude ranch in San Francisco, Rans had made a splash at the opening day of the 1933 World's Fair in Chicago after she was hired to make an appearance as Lady Godiva at the Chicago Artists Ball Dinner. She's white! Hmm?

Don't talk to her. Don't talk to her. Don't talk to her. Don't talk to her. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no.

This is a good time. Well, it had become a tradition at World's Fairs to have Lady Godiva processions. Lady Godiva processions, of course, come from an 11th century legend in which a noble, named Lady Godiva writes naked on a horse through the streets to protest the oppressive

And so, Sally Rans was paid $25 to take part in the World's Fair as Lady Godiva for the artist's dinner. But Sally took it upon herself to ride a white horse naked through the fairgrounds themselves on opening day. And this is an important lesson since she did it with so much confidence, the security guards

just assumed that she'd gotten permission. And they just let her do it.

“Yeah, he just, that's how I got in the plenty places.”

Yeah. How we just walked into that con where we just said, we're talent. Yeah. Walk right in. Yeah, Sally Rans made it all the way to the hotel with a dinner was supposed to be held.

She even tried her luck one more time. She tried writing the horse into the building. But hotel staff refused to let her in on the horse. So she had four artists carry her inside still nude on a table lifted above their heads. Fantastic press.

Huge spectacle made Rand even more famous. And while she was convicted of indecent exposure, she had the conviction overturned a year later on the grounds of free speech, which made her an early and important opponent to censorship. Wow, I hope she still got paid. She did actually Sally Rand did really, she got even more famous after that.

She started touring, I think, with like Valero or something. She actually had a fantastic life in a great career. Just being a basically but an activist and an entertainer at the same time.

I never heard of her before, but I looked her up when you said she was hot and I definitely recognized her face.

Yeah, sure, sure. Yeah, we all see her face. Now, how is she a defacto satinist? So number one, Anton Levay, despite what he would do to his wives and his daughter, worship women. Yeah, loved women that were in his wife and his daughter.

He's a truly, Sally Rand is an example of what would be the satanic ideal of the woman's body. And I think, largely, Anton Levay even said this, if you read the satanic which, you start to understand that Anton Levay project in himself and his own mind outwards as a busty woman. Like he viewed in his mind.

Like he was in a big tin energy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was in a cape on. And there's a treasure right? Great, but he viewed himself as, like, my powers as a man can only be a harnessed if I imagined myself as a busty woman and use the same wiles as a busty woman,

but as a man. And so it's a great advice. It's really great advice. It is.

“That's what the satanic which is all about.”

And so when he first saw Sally Rand, I think it was the first time he saw how a woman's

just presentation was so transgressive and so powerful.

She had enough to say anything, nothing political, nothing. The whole crowd snapped and watched and watched this woman totally free and nude, ride a big animal, which is also heavily into satanism. Like the idea of like that we're all animals. We're no bit, we're like, we are just literally primates.

There is no real. Yeah. Sometimes better, sometimes most of the time worse. Most of the time worse. Yeah.

So I feel like when he saw that, it's this idea of like he's looking as mother. Yeah. She's not Sally fucking Rand. Like the first time he's like, that's the first time he saw. What's the first time you saw a woman?

Like you saw that woman. That changed the thing inside your brain. That's how I view Sally Rand. And then that just kind of became like sort of this ideal for him of like, look at the inherent power she just has.

Yeah. Just not living. Makes it great point.

“Like if you like the whole stupid awful like alpha male,”

shit, like you do go for that, the masculine thing. All you're going to attract are other awful men. Yeah. But with the if you have like the big tit energy, feminine, you attract everyone. Yes.

Yes. Yes. It's about making. So essentially say Tanquit, she's a whole long thing about sort of, well, I don't do this to me.

Do you think that when Sally Rand was on the horse, she had to change the name of Sally Ride. And then she grew up. And then she fucking exploded. That's the. Yeah.

Sally. Sally Ride. She made it. Yes. She made it recently.

She made it. Well, she had suicide. Well, that's a part. Yes. It was so small.

She did commit suicide. No. Okay. I got it. I got it.

No. I don't know. How's that? What'd you see on the moon? I don't know.

I was like, what'd you see on the moon? I'm your great. By the time the San Francisco fair attended by a young Anton Lovey, Sally Rand have been fighting censorship for years. And February 1939, she had already led hundreds of scantly clad women on horses in formation

through downtown San Francisco. And her new ranch had been somewhat of an extension of that performance. This, of course, is where Anton Lovey saw Sally Rand.

Then just seeing Sally Rand was amazing in itself.

They saw Sally Rand, but he also saw his Sunday school teacher seeing Sally Rand at said nude ranch. Lovey later wrote that after seeing his Sunday school teacher enjoying topless cowgirls despite this Sunday school teacher's off-repeated claims of higher morality.

Lovey saw the hypocrisy of Christianity, which was his first so-called satanic epiphany.

I love his satanic epiphany. Some dogle. I mean, yeah, admittedly, this seems like incredibly basic stuff in 2026. It's the sort of thing that any of us could have pointed out when we were kids. That makes it easy to dismiss.

In fact, you could easily make the mistake of dismissing all of this as childish or a little too edgy for its own good. Yes.

“But you have to realize that this was not a common way of thinking in 1939.”

Wasn't even really a common way of thinking in 1966 when Lovey actually founded the Church of Satan. It is basic. But it was people like Anton Lovey who laid the groundwork that burst a more modern way of looking at the world. Basically, Anton Lovey is the duck soup of edginess.

Here's what I mean, duck soup.

The Mark's Brothers movie from 1933. It was so funny that everyone who came after copied everything about it. So what was once an entirely new way of doing comedy, it soon became the standard. So this thing that changed everything, it came to be seen as hack, even embarrassing. Because it is seen as so obvious in the modern world and the wake of everything that came after it,

such as the paradox of Satanism. The way I would even put it, which will cover this Satanism, is an introductory philosophy. It's the first thing that should get you going. It's inherently for even Anton Lovey even kind of says it. It's why this Atlantic Bible is so simple.

Is that he wrote it for the teen year olds to read. It's super easy. It is very, very easy to understand. It is such a quick read. And you're supposed to move on from it.

You're supposed to expand.

“Yeah. Now Sally Rand's nude ranch was not the only event at this fair that influenced Anton Lovey.”

Sorry, I didn't get that. All right, that would go. Another exhibit that Lovey said was full of satanic undertones was the full display of babies and incubators on the midway. These were live premature babies. Live premature babies are the main thing. They don't go, they don't go, but you will seeing these live premature babies.

Oh, my God. You can see that one grow in arm. When I went yesterday, I saw four die. Wow, wow, what a wonderful pre-me explosion. Sounds like a crazy thing, but these events that these exhibits existed because there weren't incubators and hospitals. Well, there were incubators and hospitals.

This was to show off the new incubator technology. You know, they, that's happened a lot. They would do like guys and iron lungs.

When they first put people on iron lungs, they would just treat that as a freak show and people would pay money to go see the guy just sitting there and iron lungs.

Oh, I'm sorry. You're the show. These were live premature babies and incubators in a modern hospital setting. But it was housed in a whimsically themed building in the middle of what was basically a large entertainment complex. It's like putting a cancer ward in the middle of tomorrow land at Disney.

I'll go though, don't do I need to hate to have to get the lightning lane for it. Really? Imagine walking into a room at Disney and it's just a bunch of people and chairs getting fucking chemotherapy treatments. Same shit. I mean, it would make sense.

So for tomorrow land, if it wasn't advancement, it's kind of like the adventures of internet. Also, just know you just called what hospitals are going to be by the way. Just so you know that, you've just, we have just put into the zeitgeist what's going to happen. And eventually, people are going to be getting their chemo with Disneyland. And you imagine Donald Duck giving you your chemo.

Yes, I can't.

“And it's the only way it's going to happen.”

Do character meet and greet chemo. I said now, how is that not a thing? Do write it down. Right down. Spider-man.

Right down. I'm ready. Bring down chemo. I'm mailing it to myself. Dr. Strange brings you chemo.

Right. We should get 11 to do it since we're on Netflix. Oh, sure, sure, sure. I want to get one of the guys from dark to do it. That's my favorite Netflix show.

Yes. I'm going to get there. So do you. Zachary. Can we get that lady?

Yeah. No, so that's why I chose tomorrow land instead of Tune Town.

It's not going to make sense in Tune Town.

No, it doesn't make sense. And then it's because boy. No.

“If you fucking tell me for a second that Roger rabbits my oncologist.”

You ever played the dear Zachary drinking game? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do you just play Zachary? Yeah.

Were you drinking beer, boy? Well, as Anton the May thought, beer Zachary. We have to do something with beer Zachary. Oh. It's just poor.

It fucking beers on a dead end. I think it's sad to drink again. I showed you drinking before. It was Anton the May thought. This incubator baby display.

It made a mockery and a spectacle of the most delicate and vulnerable life. Forms on earth. These were babies on the cusp of death. He's think primis are bad. Now, imagine a preemie in 1939 trying to survive at the fair.

Yeah. Give him more land. Yeah. Yeah. This baby is weak.

He needs more land in check. Not lead. Let's see. Yeah. Let's see.

“I already gave him all the mercury we had.”

I mean, they basically made dying babies a freak show.

And Anton the they absolutely loved the contrast for him. This was Satanism writ large. And when Anton the May hit puberty himself, the freak show element he enjoyed as a child wasn't quite so funny when he realized that he would have to show his vestigal tail to the other young boys in gym class.

Again, not surprisingly, Anton the May hated gym class. Yeah. Listen. No, I don't do a. I don't do jumping jacks.

Okay. It is one of the most joyful single exercises I've refused to do it. I'm I'll hang a rope. He also began developing a hatred towards jogs. And this is a direct quote.

Young men who found themselves unusually well and out. Just had to die. Hate boys with large penises. They do whatever they want. They do whatever they want.

The rest of us are normal. The rest of us have to think of all the creative ways used at penis. Making longer. Making a peer one. Mostly, though, Anton was nervous about showing his tail to the other boys.

The tail had become even more of a problem when it became inflamed when Leve was 12 years old. He supposedly had to have it drained of fluids to relieve the pain. This, of course, did not endure him to his fellow children. In college, my roommate had to get his tail drained and he had to sleep on his stomach for a week. And then I had to give him bunk heads from over the side of the bed.

It was kind of fun. That's really fun. Yeah. Anton Leve was too old to be a boomer, but too young to serve in World War II. He was only nine years old when the conflict began.

And he was 11 when America joined the war as a full participant. By the time the war is in, though, Anton Leve was 15. And one of his uncles had been hired to rebuild air strips for the army in post-war Germany. Since Anton looked up to his uncle and since this was 1945, he actually joined his uncle on the trip overseas.

Look, yeah, fuck it. Go to Germany. And there, Leve was exposed to German expressionist films, like the cabinet of Dr. Calagari, Metropolis, and Nusferratu. And that, that'll change you.

There will. No, it very much was not. Especially going from here to there and seeing how different it is. Yeah, and also just being in post-war Germany just the devastation of it. And the destruction of it.

It was a, it was, post-war Germany was nightmarish in every way. But these films, they were masterpieces of ritual and occultists. I mean, you look at the, like, look at Metropolis. The rituals of Metropolis. The occultism of, yeah, Nusferratu.

Yeah, that was the first sequel.

Yeah. That's for our two. Oh, sure. I needed Nusferratu. The jagged angles, the harsh lighting, the dark shadows,

all that stuff that typified German expressionist film, those who become massive inspirations when Anton Leve began constructing his own satanic rituals. And when he began pretty much putting it together, the aesthetic of the Church of Satan. Now, besides this interest in film, Anton Leve was also a fantastic musician.

He's almost musician first up in terms of abilities. Yeah, he learned brass, woodwind, strings, and keyboards at a young age. Quite appropriately for a Lord of Hell. He taught the accordion, which had exploded in popularity in the 20th century. And as someone who has tried to learn the accordion,

it's hellish for the person playing the accordion. Even I love accordion. I love how it sounds. But it is maddening. Oh, yeah.

My father tried to teach me and I didn't take. I wish I had done it. I wish I had fucking learned. Yeah.

“Wasn't he one of those guys that could just hear a song and then play it?”

Yeah. Yeah. But since Leve was such a natural talent, he dropped out of his junior year of high school. Soon after his return from Germany, to play Obo full time for the San Francisco ballet orchestra.

He also threw himself into the study of painting, classical music, philosophy. And of course, magic. But less, you start bullying him now. What's there to bully?

If there wasn't bully, he wouldn't exist. Yeah. Hey, I know how this is. This is perfectly normal healthy boy behavior.

Leve, yes, playing second being second chair.

Obo in the San Francisco ballet orchestra. Healthy growing boy. Leve attempted to counterbalance his extreme nerdiness. Because he did have this idea very early on. He knew that he had to counterbalance that.

Like he did have these very nerdy interests that one could see as weak. He counterbalanced it with appearances. You know, that's also another important satanic thing. Well, Satanism and appearances are one and one. Yeah.

That is the ideas that appearances are everything. So it's like the fact that even understood that. Like that's a huge, that takes cut self-conscious to understand your nerd.

“Did you see the Satanist that started with the eyeliner?”

Yes, probably. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. I would say so.

Yeah.

Most of the cathars had something like it.

Well, Leve attempted to counterbalance his extreme nerdiness by letting his hair grow long. He dressed in leather jackets. He wore the infamous zoot suits of the time. And with his new look and on Leve intentionally sought out the reprobates of San Francisco. The gamblers, the pens, the prostitute.

To populate it the Bay Area's pool holes and bars. Cool guys. Cool guys. Cool guys. This was Anton Leve's Uncle's crowd.

His Uncle Bill. Although Leve gave no details, which means he could be lying about all of this. Leve supposedly traveled with his Uncle Bill to the newly established desert oasis that was Las Vegas when he was a teenager.

“To see how him and Uncle Bill could make their way in Sin City.”

He supposedly Uncle Bill had been a bootlegar in Chicago for Al Capone during prohibition. And Uncle Bill also allegedly had connections to the infamous Vegas gangster Bugsie Siegel.

Anton said that in Las Vegas he watched criminals exploit the natural foibles and

vices of other men for fun and profit. That's why it's great. That's why Las Vegas is baddest. These criminals Leve claimed taught him that everything is a racket, including the church. The crafty man Leve wrote figured out how to work the rackets himself.

So he didn't wind up as a slave to the crooked politicians in the bosses of our modern world. He wrote about this in the 60s still true today. The crafty citizen refuses the routine of going the work where he stagnates at a deadly dull job, having his lunch when he's told all to draw a wage that is barely enough to sustain this crime existence of factories and offices and commute.

Start into the ground. Maybe it makes a fuss. And so instead of living the life of his father, his mother, or even his criminal uncle, Anton, they took a fourth route. He took inspiration from one of those people he read about when he was a kid.

And he joined the circus. [singing in foreign language] [laughing] That song called "Blazes and Flames." Oh, that's fucking awesome.

You know, I actually just met a guy you ran away to the circus. Yeah. Zach Bacon's haunted museum. Yeah. It was like, freak section.

He literally was like, he told his whole story. He's like, I was 16. I needed to get out of my fucking parents house and I left and I joined the circus. In fucking 20 with like 30 years ago. Was he an exhibit or--

No, yeah, he was an exhibit. I thought he was just a guy hanging out. No, he was doing like the nail in the nose band. But he was like, man, that's right. You could still just fuck off and join the circus.

Oh, is he one of those Jim Rose guys? Yeah, sure, sure. Yeah, probably. I remember them. Now, there are two men from the world of circuses, side shows and carnivals

that are incredibly important to the development of Satanism. One who are both at the top and the bottom of this particular entertainment ladder. So let's start with the man at the top. The great showman of the 19th century, PT Barnum. Yeah.

Barnum was, of course, another of Leve's de facto sateness. Born in Connecticut in 1819, PT Barnum was the eventual co-founder of the Barnum and Bayley Circus. But that actually came near the end of his life. Barnum had a massively influential and fascinating career prior to that in which he

had a hand in shaping America's image of itself. But since PT Barnum was a reflection of America that reflected itself right back, his story is far darker than what you're probably expecting. Yeah, I feel like PT Barnum could have had his own series. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

“Honestly, he is, he is, I actually wonder if he's worse than it's on the vein.”

That's a person. You know, he's definitely got more depths on his hands. Yeah, he's got a fair amount of deaths. Yeah, PT Barnum is, uh, yeah, there's a lot going on there. And you're American.

Yeah. He really was. Now, PT Barnum got into the side show business at the age of 25.

In 1835, long before the emancipation proclamation,

“Barnum was offered the purchase of a black woman named Joyce Heth, who was supposedly”

a 161 years old. Barnum had been told that Joyce Heth was George Washington's nurse made born in the 1670s. And Barnum figured that he could sell this lie, even though Joyce was probably no more than 80 years old. Because Joyce could actually tell pretty convincing story when you got her in front of a crowd.

That was the whole, that was the whole thing. That was the crux of it is that Joyce could sell it.

Oh, so it's who was like the first time an artist was got their art stolen from them.

No, he was a manager. 100% know all I mean, the people who managed to track in the 1800s. That's where the fucking management for art and for actors and musicians. That's where it comes from. Barnum was living in New York City at the time.

We're purchasing a human being was illegal. So he quote unquote least Joyce Heth from the man who had enslaved her. For the price of $500 for one year. Joyce, however, would not survive that year long lease. I like my rat for.

Yeah. Fuck off. He's had to get it around. Had to get rat for joke in there. He's had to do it.

“See Barnum considered Joyce to be too vigorous to convincingly play a 161 year old woman.”

So he put her on a strict diet of eggs and whiskey until she appeared to be no more than muscle and bone.

Barnum also decided that there's no way that a 161 year old woman would have any teeth left.

So he decided that Joyce should have all of her teeth removed. He convinced her to agree to having her teeth pulled while she was drunk on whiskey. Then a few days later, Barnum removed all of her teeth under the guise of, "No, no, but you said yes. You were drunk, but you said yes. So we're pulling all your teeth out now." I have a few Jackman sing a song about that.

Let's just say this storyline was not in the greatest show. It wasn't. It was not. This was you Jackman's part. Yeah.

And yes, yeah. He played PT. It was a fucking life story of PT Barnum. Barnum. Yeah.

I didn't even know that. This was cut. This was all cut. But so funny because if you even look at him, he's so fucking battle-toe. Yeah.

You know what I mean? He's so gross. Yeah. So ugly. That's so funny.

Yeah. And it gets worse from here. Oh, yeah.

“This is before he even took her out on the road.”

Like this is just getting her ready for the show. With his attraction ready, Barnum flooded New England and New York with ads about Joyce Heath, claiming that she was raising money to purchase her great grandchildren out of slavery.

She made her perform 14 hours a day for a never-ending stream of locals, which naturally

calls her health to fail within just a few months. Because even if she's not 161, she's still probably about 80, 85. And just no, she's still a work. And because she certainly has a great deal of great grandchildren. You're going to have to pull the night shift.

But instead of slowing it down, when Barnum realized that she was probably going to die, he announced a final death tour. And an increased ticket price. What if you say PT last chance? Last chance to see George Washington's last May.

What do you mean last year? I'm here. Why is it last? What do you mean? You mean just as my final story.

So there's a truth in the back of your mouth. Oh, no. It's a sin. Barnum at the same time that he was announced in the final death tour. He also sent an anonymous letter to a Boston newspaper claiming that Joyce

was not a Tomaton made of whale bones, springs, and rubber. This brought out even more people. Did you hear Joyce? You want a Tomaton? No, no, no, I'm Joyce.

No, no, no, no. You're a robot. Don't be confused. You're a robot. Come back and put some batteries in your ass.

When Joyce, of course, died a few months later. Barnum charged 50 cents a ticket for Joyce's public autopsy, which was held in a Manhattan bar where 1500 New Yorkers shuffled past to see if Joyce really was an Osomaton by the end of it Barnum.

Yeah, what they find out that she was a lady. Oh, yeah. Skin and bone. They found out. It's not one person was in that line.

It's like, listen, it's just a lady. And they got along the ticket. Oh, hey. Spoilers. No.

That was the fucking 18th century version of spoilers. Hey, buddy. You're all online here. Okay. I want to see that old black woman's visceral.

I know it's a lady.

Nice. Don't take it to robot. That's because you're hopeful, man. And that's why we're doing this.

“By the end of it, Barnum made the modern equivalent of 1.5 million”

dollars off of Joyce Heath. And this is when Barnum was 25. Now, Barnum, this is how PT Barnum got his start. Everything came from Joyce Heath.

Now, Barnum never did say the phrase that is most often attributed to him.

That there's a sucker born every meant. What he actually said was that the American people liked to be humbug, which is to say that Americans liked being tricked. No. Barnum, therefore, made a lifelong career out of fucking with the American public.

He called himself the Prince of Humbugs. Where Barnum really made a name for himself though, and then Manhattan where he opened his infamous American museum, which was basically a collection of oddities, freak shows, and general entertainment.

It was not what you would consider a museum museum. Because of Ripley's. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it wasn't stupid and boring. It was funny, cool. Yeah.

It is actually one of those, like, it's in my top five. They asked, like, if you could time travel to any time and see anything, Barnum's American museum is in my top five. Oh, I mean, what are I going to see? I'd be in a fucking heartbeat.

Yeah, after tracking down oddities like a plaster copy of the Card of Giant, a working replica of Niagara Falls, and a monkey torso glued to a fish tail that he called the Fiji mermaid. I'd love her.

“Barnum began advertising free rooftop concerts at the American museum”

to attract crowds. He also hired the worst musicians to play these concerts, which caused the crowds to spend money to get into the museum to escape the noise. Once inside, a customer would see posted signs saying,

"This way to the aggress." Which, and of course, everyone wanted to see what the fuck the egress was. The customer would then walk past all manner of exhibits

to go through a doorway that finally promised the aggress,

which would, of course, lead them outside the museum. Because most Americans had no idea that egress was simply the Latin word for exit. Yeah. That's just your good fuckers.

You fucking idiots. Okay. I mean, it's bad. You fucking get it. It's one of those singers, like, "What a fucking asshole."

And that's hilarious. Yep. See, that's the thing. After seeing the aggress, the customer was then forced to pay another entry fee to get back in.

And while you'd think this would really piss people off, those who fell for it would oftentimes tell friends who were going to Barnums for the first time that if you did nothing else at the American museum, you had to see the aggress.

It's just too fucking good. He was right.

Americans, we do like being tricked.

We do like it. And the reason why he's a defacto-sateness is because of that. If you listen to P.T. Barnum, like a lot against a personal choice,

he did make it mandatory that you showed up at the 161-year-old like woman fucking tour, right? He just said, "I got one." Right?

And everybody showed up. Well, I would say the American museum, his later stuff is more the Satanist stuff than the stuff, the slavery, the slave owning stuff. Yeah!

That's not good. Yes, it's bad luck. That's what you mean. It's bad optics. This trickery still happens.

I mean, you go to the magic castle and trick you in an eaten of really expensive shitty meal. It is a bad meal. But the close of magic otherwise is good. If they don't touch your wife,

it's actually really nice in there. But he's like, he's a defacto-sateness because in his mind, I am providing only what people are asking for. It's showmanship.

Again, it's big showmanship. You wouldn't... You wouldn't need me. If you guys all didn't like this stuff. Yeah.

That's a PT Barnum point of view. And he turned things around a little bit. Even though Americans might like to be humbucked, they really don't like it as much when people brag about it. And PT Barnum almost lost everything

when he wrote an autobiography in the 1850s detailing exactly how he had tricked betrayed and swindled his audiences over the years. I must have been so much fun for him. It was a lot of fun, but when people read it,

they were very angry. Magicians shouldn't tell their secrets. They really shouldn't. And that was another, I think, Anton the Bay learned that.

Barnum looks at somebody. You know, you look at it every time somebody breaks characters. As soon as they break character. It's a done. But Barnum knew that Americans also loved money.

So he gave a series of lectures called The Art of Money Getting, which turned his reputation around so hard that people convinced him to run for office. Barnum actually ran as a Republican in the lead up to the Civil War, an advocated for the citizenship of black men and women.

And while one could cynically say that he was changing with the times, Barnum actually became a staunch abolitionist in his later years. Who I would like to think was trying to atone for his youthful evils. Yeah, he could see the devil down. Evil, son of a bitch when he was a kid.

“I think he probably just saw the writing on the walls”

and he was just trying to stay in charge.

Yeah. Like it really wasn't.

Being an abolitionist was like, was still like an intense point of view.

“I think it's just PT Barnum, like the thrill.”

I think he likes being on it. But I do genuinely in my heart of hearts. I think that there was like, because he said this in a quote about it. Like if I could give anything back at the end of my life, I will. So he rebuilt Bridgeport Connecticut.

He did all these things. And so he kind of like did this thing being like, Hey, I am trying. I didn't think of the very end of his life. Which is the most you could say about most human beings.

He really is. He fought against the railroad. He's a bad person. He would do it. But then in the end, he tried to say, I'm sorry.

And then he fucking died. In the last 20 years of his life, he did try to turn things around. Which yeah, which honestly is more than we can say for almost anyone we've ever talked about on this fucking show.

People liked what Barnum was selling when he ran for office. And he served as both a member of the Connecticut legislature. And the mayor of Bridgeport, he died in 1891. Having become personal friends with Mark Twain, Queen Victoria, who fucking loved freak shows.

Queen Victoria loved him. He was the naked one, right? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Victoria was the absolute office opposite. She was the most buttoned up sexless. That I'm talking to ever since. Which one is the super-warning one? Sally Rand.

[laughing] This is a funny queen. What is there super-warning queen? Not an inkland. I don't think an inkland.

Side story is LPOTL and GMO.

“I think you're going to get me a list of the cornea's queen.”

I think you're going to be a Catherine the Great. That's exactly it.

That's your third mercury.

That's your third mercury. [laughing] Send me pictures. Side story is LPOTLgmo.com. Send me pictures of the hornea's queen.

Yeah. And also Abraham Lincoln. Good friends. Oh, that's the hornea's queen. Yeah.

[laughing] Abraham again. Also super-warning queen. Can I be denied? You're all real.

[laughing] Oh yeah. Catherine the Great. That's the hornea one. Yeah.

That's good for her. It says the AI is telling us that queen Victoria was super-warning. It's because we asked about hornea's and the AI is going to lie to you. Yeah, it's going to lie to you.

It's going to tell you what you want to hear.

Yeah. That's PT Bartum. That's the guy at the top. That influence the Anton the Bay. On the complete opposite end of the carnival spectrum.

And on the Bay was also greatly influenced by a 1946 novel, which explored the dark side of show business as it was in the mid-20th century. This novel filled with carnies, femme fatales, and grifters was known as Nightmare Alley. Also made a new movie in your later. Don't watch the Bradley Cooper one.

Watch the black and white one. Yeah. The 1947. Yes. I did like the wedding.

It's fine.

“But if you want to read the watch, you'll want to read the book.”

I want to read the book. Well, the author of the novel was a man named William Lindsey Gresham, who volunteered to fight in the Spanish Civil War in 1938. Very much at Ernest Hemingway type. Looking for action.

But after Gresham's fighting was done, he had a chance meeting while waiting to be sent back to America. He had drinks with a mysterious man who told Gresham about a very real and very disturbing carnival attraction called The Geek, the most disturbing attraction of all. Usually.

And again, this is very real. Mm-hmm. Usually, the Geek was an alcoholic who had been driven solo that he was willing to be put in a pit day after day or cage sometimes. Usually a pit where he would bite the heads of chickens and snakes for the carnival going

public in exchange for booze. Usually, while dressed as some sort of wild man. Geeks were worryingly common amongst carnivals and side shows across America for decades. They're very popular. Extremely popular.

Yeah. That ended up translating into being a nerd. Yeah. I'm not sure. I think at one point like Geek was more of a just a person who was unpleasant to look at.

Yeah. Like nerds were smart and geeks were just like unpleasant people. Yeah. In the beginning, at least. But they soon became conflated.

It's funny. And I'm just talking on my ass there. I might talk wrong. Yeah, it's true. And this is interesting.

Because it comes from an old term for just a clown, a German clown called the Geek. Meaning a fool or a simple term. And then eventually, it turned into the Geek, which then became a term for an ugly person. Yeah. Really Geek means ugly, like dim, ugly, pinheaded to the eyes to close.

Fucking mouth to big arms too long. Yeah. Yeah. Just gross. Yeah.

What's cool? But he stole the story from a strong man that he had met. And he took the entire thing out. I, with about nightmare alley. It's not just about show business.

Yeah. It's about the, the literal world of magic. Yes. The actual ritual magic. Oh, God.

Which is the thing about nightmare alley that makes it really interesting. Because what, and talking of they realize much like happens at the end of Alistair Crowley's works. You realize he says there, it's not from out there. It's from in here.

Now, the story of the Geek haunted Gresham after you returned from Spain.

And this was in addition to everything he'd seen in the Spanish Civil War, which was pretty God damn grizzly on its own. But when Gresham's inner demons couldn't be cured with psychoanalysis, he became of sest with tarot cards. All while he worked as a writer, turning out true crime stories for pulp magazines.

Put all this together. And you got the makings of Gresham's novel about carny life, Nightmare Alley. Now, Nightmare Alley captures the occultism of carny life, specifically the fortune telling trade. As such, it became an obsession for many occultists.

The magic of the carnival is, of course, the bait and switch, where talented tricksters use their gifts to part the vulnerable public from their hard earned cash. But they also give them something in exchange, Marcus. They give them hope and lessons and entertainment and fulfill their hours.

“That's what the Nightmare Alley's supposed to be about is that you get into this idea,”

but it's really, you have to make sure you don't start to believe. Exactly. That you are fully in charge.

Really, the phrase for entertainment purposes only is very important to surviving the modern world.

Very awesome. And then they also sold popcorn, I think. He did. Well, just like the spiritualist of the 19th century, 20th century carny fortune tellers offered hope, but they also offered a gamble.

A fortune teller might change your life for the better. They might make things worse, or they might leave you right back where you started. But that was only if you said yes to what the carny was offering. And that's another, say, 10 a.m. You got to say yes.

You choose. Nightmare Alley blew the lid off what carny's were really up to. Because before this novel, there was very little literature about cold reading. Well, I mean cold reading is pretty common knowledge nowadays. Yeah.

It's when a fortune teller appraises a person by their body language and their clothes to make a quick judgment on how to gain their trust and pull them further into the fortune tellers game. A lot of the, what do you call it? The cold reading is said to be a very common amongst like the, what's that guy's name? John, crossing John, I think we're crossing up crossing over.

But cold reading is the heart of all cult. Yeah. Cold reading is the heart of all a cult ritual in, in chantment is cold reading. And Nightmare Alley is all about cold reading. Yeah.

Which is the, don't want to, was, that's like what HPB did naturally.

“That's what Alice or Crowley did naturally.”

That's what Ella Rage did naturally. And that's why there's so much of it in Long Island because they're all fucking judgy perks. What do you mean? There's a lot of cold reading in, and, and the, what do you call it? Well, you're going to be the long Island medium.

Yeah, but there's not just them. Well, yeah, that's just for my crisis. It's everywhere. It's for, you know, who it's for Eddie. It's people like my mother.

Yeah. Yeah. It's for, you know, who it's for Eddie. It's people like my mother. Yeah.

Well, Nightmare Alley, the main character is a man named Stanton Carlisle, who learns cold reading and passes himself off as the Great Stanton. He naturally charms the roofs out of dollar after dollar. When Anton Lavey read Nightmare Alley, he found himself spiritually connected to this character, not least because Anton's given middle name was Stanton.

Furthermore, in the novel, Stanton Carlisle eventually becomes a religious figure, Reverend Stanton, pastor of the Church of the Heavenly Message.

“But also what's important about Nightmare Alley is that it begins with the geek.”

Because Stanton looks at the geek and he feels pity revolves around at the geek. And he watches, and he's an alcoholic himself. But then he meets this woman and they go up and he becomes this reverend. It's kind of stuff and guess where it ends. He's right back in the pit.

Yeah. He's the geek. He saw the movie. It was nominated for an Oscar. Yep.

But the reason why. But that's the key here is that what happened is that the wizard cross the Rubicon, died in the chapel of mysteries and then was left because he wasn't prepared. He wasn't prepared across the chapel mysterious. Well, Anton Lavey thought Nightmare Alley was fucking awesome.

He did. He did not see it as a warning in any way whatsoever. The warning is the very end. Yeah. Well, Anton Lavey, after reading Nightmare Alley, he quit high school.

He joined the circus as a roused about and a cage boy supposedly. And began working with gigantic deadly cats, supposedly. And it's with Lavey's time in the circus. His supposed career as a crime scene photographer in San Francisco,

his distinction is America's first ghostbuster and the development of a church of Satan itself

that will return next week for part two of our series on Anton Lavey. Yeah. Fuckers. Hell say damn. Six.

Six. Yeah. Fucking man, I'm going to listen to the, oh, we got to put fucking numbunnel surfer's on. Yeah. Yeah.

Satan. Satan. Man. Turner. Turner.

Oh, no. I can't. Got honestly.

Thank you. You as well.

Do I think that you imported yourself nicely?

Oh, I did not. Yeah. I feel really good about me. Yeah. You've been excited for this for all of time.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Really.

Because there's a lot of because we're about to wade. You'll see. We're now putting yourself out there as you said before. You're going to call yourself a Satanist. You expect to get punched in the face.

Yeah. Right. And that's a part of what we're going to do. We're here celebrating Satanism for a couple more weeks. No.

We're going to eat this cake lady in the tramp style that Rob is just brought back. Painly. What plugs do we have? Go to patreon.com/lastpodcast on the left. You want ad free episodes.

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Yeah. And I'm playing a win. I'm playing a fucking win. Other YouTube channels we got is someplace underneath LPN romance. Who's the be the foreign report.

No dogs in space. LPN TV and the brighter side of LPN. Go check those out. Subscribe to that shit and we're keep putting stuff there. And we are hitting the road.

We've got four shows left of JK Ultra. The last one for next one is going to be tonight. And Pittsburgh. Yeah. Music called Oakland.

We're here. We're having fun in the city. Join yourselves. We're going to go down the Stullers. We're going to go.

You know what? We'll see you out there. All right. Come on. Saturday June 27.

The Grand Rapids. Michigan. The GLC live at 20 minute row. Friday. July 17th.

Tulsa. Oklahoma. Oklahoma City. Oklahoma. The tower theater.

Go check those shows out. There's a lot of fun. And of course. Side stories is going to be in London. Ontario on June 28 to Rio.

That's going to be a lot of fun.

“And then you want to come see me do stand up.”

Just go to eddytunes.com. And you could find all the dates there. And we will be having more information about our Halloween sound effects album. Frank Jansson's revolting repository. We've got these sounds volume one and two.

The first printing sold out very quickly. But there is going to be. Dare I say it a second pressing. That's right. And so.

Don't wait. Don't don't. Don't buy the secondary market on discogs. Just yet. Don't just do it.

Go be a news pressing soon. And we're going to have announcements about that version. Hell yeah. Thank you all for selling it out. Yeah.

And that incredible band.

Mass for trash. I wonder where they came from. Oh yeah. I wonder who those people were. Who are those incredible mysterious.

Incredible songwriters and screamers. I don't know who those people. I screamed. It was fun. Yeah it was great.

You could lead sing or five. Well Ash is a lead singer. I existed. I just wrote it. I just wrote it.

I just wrote it. I'm part of the thing. Yeah. Ascorden of course. Yes.

Nice again. Thanks Gordon. Yeah and I. And I knew when Rob. It was.

Googling. Who was the hornyest queen. Definitely brought up a drag race story. Horstale. Yeah.

Yeah. You know when there were a lot of them are very rarely horny because how much their penis is hurt. Hmm. I don't know.

I really don't remember them. It's season eight. Yeah that's a long. That was a different person to go. I'm rewatching it.

You know right now or you know we just started season six. Holy shit. Well funny. Season five. Who's the best season ever?

Best season ever. Fantastic. But we all know this. Hellsake never. They try about the call.

No again. Give yourself. Hellsake again. Hellsake for six, six, six. You know what?

And the name is Satan. Give me your money. Give me your fucking family. I don't care. Just give it.

Just give it to me. I'm going to take it. I'm going to do with what I need to do with it.

I want to eat it is a little trouble eating it. I do it. It's amazing. It's amazing what did you could do when you have a big piece of brown

“That's what they like is a big piece of brown that's delicious. Yeah, don't you get really good”

Two two some of yours. Thank you. Thank you too. That's actually incredible. It's really good. I'm going to check it's like Clayton made it a drill Oh, no Oh, it's good. I was shit. I was going to go to heaven. Oh, no, no, no, you're going to fucking hell. No one needs to see this My fuckers. Leave it alone. Leave me talk talk alone