Side Stories: How to Leave The Mormon Church w/ Alyssa Grenfell

That's one of the cannibalists I started.

Side stories. Yes. More than a word. That's right. We have a full arm.

More than a word. You know, as much as we've talked about Mormons on this show, I still feel like I know nothing.

“But that's why slowly we're educating you.”

Welcome to Side Stories. Sitting here with Ed Larsson, who is immune to the charms of the Mormon Church. I don't like it. He can't be bought by them. It doesn't matter.

Fuck soda. Seriously. He doesn't like soda. He can't have it anymore. He can't even do it.

I don't want you to see her. I don't want your ice cream. Maybe like coffee. I love coffee. And that's the thing.

That's what's nice to do it and define some of them.

My name is Henry Zipraowski. I am the opposite of a Mormon. But today we just total opposite. You're still white. You're still white.

Yeah. I'm still white man. Yeah. So that's still pretty, obviously pretty great for me. And today we did.

We're doing a full guest episode because we, I met this person through Natalie as they were doing someplace underneath. They are an expert because they have they were deeply involved in the Mormon Church. They got themselves out of the Mormon Church. She went and wrote a book called How to Leave the Mormon Church, which is one of the,

It's a great manual for helping people because what she realized this, this influencer. I'd say influencer presenter or she is a YouTube channel. Unless a Grenfell, but she realized that Mormons were coming out of the church and being dropped into this modern world with no guide at all.

“So that's why she wrote this to help people get out of the Mormon Church.”

We talked with her about a bunch of the secrets. She brought some Mormon underwear in here. Yeah. Yeah. That, and no, was a thing.

I mean, it's kind of sexy. What do you mean it's sexy if you get all wet? Oh, yes, because it's white. Then you can see it through it. Yeah, we get it.

We go through all of this. The audience is going to love how sexual the conversation gets. I do. I try some of you're going to see you. I'm not a one of spoil it.

Yeah. She is a lesser D Grenfell on Tik Tok. That's ALY SS-A-D-G-R-E-N-F-E-L. That's where she prints your stuff. She's also on YouTube.

It's right. I'm going to leave the Mormon Church is way more difficult than just follow the signness as exit. Yeah, because guess what? They cover the signs. Yeah.

They do. You can't get out. So, please listen to our long-form interview. Oh, Melissa Grenfell. You're going to enjoy this.

You fucking better. Blah, I'm not late. Oh, we're rolling out great. Okay. Well, we have a very special guest today.

Somebody that it's like truly in the world of... In the world of religions, right? There's not many. They're not a room for talk back. They don't want you to do it.

They don't want you to do it. And it's fine. Interesting.

“And of all the religions, besides scienceology, if you want to call it that, that has such a deep”

core of people willing to talk about the church. It is the Mormon people, like especially after the fact, even from within it as we were just talking. And what we have today is a truly, very, very, very spotlight. Love this book, which is how to leave the Mormon Church. And it is a extremely interesting book.

I love the fact that you focus on actual practical things that people need. And we'll get into all of that. You also have a YouTube channel that is just under your name, right? Alyssa Grenfell. Mm-hmm.

And we're here with author, host, exmo. Alyssa Grenfell. Thank you for having me. And I'm also here with Edlar City, sitting right here. Yeah, no, no.

I'm basically just hanging out. This is a conversation between you two. And I'm just here to make sure Henry doesn't attack you.

You know, I'll never do that. I'll never do that.

I love more manity. I love the more manity of it all. So if you're an ex-moder, do you know any ex-lary or curly? I'm sorry. Do you want to leave?

You know, I feel like I'm the butt of an inside joke or something. I don't know what that is. Ah, the three students, I'm too old. What's the more man? You literally stand back to whole thing at the very fucking time.

Hey, I think it's good. I mean, I'm in the skate Catholic. Okay. You know, I was in a skate Catholic. I went to Catholic school for a while.

And I got out of there just as it started getting angry. And you know, what are you now? What would you call yourself now? I'm an atheist. Hell yeah.

Is it true?

If you call it a group, it's getting there.

Or ex-religious or secular. Yeah. A lot of people don't like to claim atheism because they're assholes. Very unpopular. Yeah.

Most atheists are bricks. They can be. They can be. But mostly because they're mad at get fake God like we all are. Now, when you got out, you've been out for long with like five years now.

Ten years. Yeah.

“How long was it from the first thought of getting out?”

Of getting out to getting out. You know, it's really hard because you have so many thoughts about getting out. But you suppressed them so hard that kind of once I was willing to admit it to myself. Mm-hmm. I feel like I kind of questioned my whole life.

Sure. But I was probably not told I was about 23 until I was like allowing myself to be honest about it. Fuck yeah. Then for you. Do you know what was the big thing?

Like what was the straw that broke the camel's back? I know if you've talked about how it was obviously a long process of just being a lady in the more language. Yeah. Yeah. And is it just that like, what was the final?

Yeah. My questioning really started with not believing in God versus not believing in the Mormon church. Yeah. So it kind of was like taking it all the way to the bottom. And then once I stopped believing in God, then it was like, well, fuck Joseph Smith.

You know, like good. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make sense.

“Well, it was just how it was supposed to be.”

Just how it was supposed to be. Oh, very much. So I just heard a, I went down a little bit of rabbit hole with this, this horrific fucker named Nathan Larson who killed himself. Careful.

I'm sorry. You know, he'd same, same spelled the same way too. And he put up Joseph Smith. He wrote this manifesto. And he put up Joseph Smith as like one of the heroes of white supremacy.

He said in his manifesto. So he was celebrating Joseph Smith by how because of how hateful he was. And how he was going to try to change United States government to be more like the Mormon church. Yeah.

Joseph Smith tried to run for president. Really. And he basically the reason that the Mormons kept getting kicked out everywhere they went was because they would try to consolidate political power. And because of child rights.

It's a child rights. It's a child rights. It's a child rights in the end.

They're kind of that always kind of you see me like, and also the child.

Kind of rights rises to the top, but it doesn't go unfortunately. I feel like it's always the very. It's all just like a trying to fuck with the voting systems and taxes. And sometimes they have sex with the child that's fine. But yeah, it's really just the taxes.

Yeah. It's really the governmental power. Yeah. The reason they kept getting kicked out is because he kept trying to make himself the leader of the militia and the leader of the town and the leader of the gun.

The bank. And like literally every position of power was unilaterally held by Joseph Smith. Sounds like a fake name. Sounds like you just made up the name. He's a guy.

Yeah. Joe Spam. He does these a gritter. He's a gritter. He's a gritter.

Do we see that same thing now?

“Like in the end of like, do how different is the modern Mormon church to the old Mormon church?”

I mean, there's a, at least on the governmental level. If you go to Utah, you'll feel like it's the same. Because every, both the senators, all of the congress people and the governor are all still Mormon. Yeah. So it's like still a theocracy.

And a lot of the laws are still controlled by Mormon, you know, temperate, basically. But I mean, they don't allow publicly, at least the child bread. It's not even worse. Yeah.

Yeah. That they still do believe in polygamy. So how does that work? Like, so date. So it's all.

I know. It sounds hard. Like questions. How does it work? How is the.

Well, we believe in it, but we don't practice it work.

So basically they had to give it up to become part of the United States when they were just a territory.

And now it's still in the scripture. So in the doctrine and covenants, it still says. Polygamy is a okay. It's basically like we believe in it. But because the laws of the land prohibit it, we honor and sustain the laws of the land.

Which, which is why after they banned it in Utah, they set up colonies in Canada and Mexico to keep doing polygamy. Which is where. Met Romney is from. Oh, he. He seems Mexican.

Yeah. There's something about it. Yeah. I don't know if I see it. It's just something hard working honest.

No, as far as horrible sons of bitches go. Met Romney seems like he's almost fine. Is that true? Am I completely off based by thinking that? Yeah.

The political spectrum of Mormon men. Mitt Romney is on the better side of that. Okay.

Uh, natural. Like belief system. Like in your mind.

“Because the Mormon church, I think that they're savvy.”

Yeah. They're actually weirdly. They're very adaptive. Yes. They understand.

Rather adapt than stick to their guns, which is why, you know, polygamy. They got rid of the black band from blacks, black people holding the priesthood. Yeah. They get rid of stuff all the time to modernize. And then in these days, but like then how do they rectify it with it?

And I like when they talk to you guys about the old. Like the old days, like how do they frame it? Like do they frame it? Like do they frame it? When they make those big sweeping changes?

Like, what is it they say from the inside? Yeah. It's a doctrine called continuing revelation. Okay. That says that the current profit can override and give new revelation versus like the previous

profits. So it's not that the old profit was wrong.

So much as that the new profit has new information, basically.

Ah, yes. And how he's getting. Now that he's refining the science. Yeah. So all right.

So the end of the world. How many people 130,000 people? What is the number? That's your host, what is that? That's your host.

He's in an in Mormonism. It is the same number. They use the number. But isn't that number supposed to be like the idea that that's the amount of Mormons that will be left to lead the end world like the 140,000.

You know, they do believe in the book of revelation. But I didn't really grow up hearing that number. Okay. I mean, I'm sure if you were to go back and maybe this is just like the continuing

revelation of it all that I never heard this.

Because if I talk to a woman or anyone who was Mormon, who was like 50 or like, you know, older than me, they'll give me all this random doctor and that I'm like, fuck, and I've heard that. So there's a like, I'm not going to I can't deny that that might be a thing because it's changed so much. And they used to have a lot more like crazy end times doctrine that they would teach that they kind of

moved away from. He said, and that as a as a whole, because like someone said that when we were doing the chat daybell Laurie Vallos like series, they said that you'd find it with an every Mormon on claim. There's like a couple of crazy people. Definitely.

Yeah, more than a couple. Do you have an example of that? Yeah, like I especially when I have moved around a lot, but I used to live in Montana. And I feel like in my congregation in Montana, it was very prepary. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

“And that's why people are so confused by Mormonism or Mormons like meeting Mormons because you”

can meet like a Botox Mormon who is like a lady with a boob job and they all want to have a pool and a boat. And then in the same ward, congregation, there's like the pepper Mormon who they don't let their kids wear makeup or like they, you know, hey, you could say that inside of a Catholic church as well. Yeah.

It's like what's heart they fix it on. But with Catholic church, it's like all the social stuff is supposed to kind of be to the side. You only get into involved because you're forced to buy all the guilt of the society like pressing on you. You know, I agree, but I also want a bunker.

Of course. Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, the end of the world is coming. So yeah. What can I ask?

We're still going to play poker of my dogs. Gabby, I don't know, Gabby. I don't know. I feel like that's how you bluff. That's how you fucking bluff how you're getting every time you get a good can.

I should take away. Why does the Mormon church save all this money for the end of the world? You know, Jesus really loves USD. Why could Jesus gave you America?

I guess so the Mormon church is holding on to something like a hundred billion dollars.

More. Yeah. It's like 300 probably. And they use it in their funny little Mormon way. They say those little terms of phrases and they say it was for rainy day.

Yeah. It's our rainy day fund. No. Because of Noah? Is that like a something to do with Noah?

What does that? What does a rainy day mean? You know, I do in Mormonism and every religion seems like different interpretations of the end times. Mormonism. The belief is that Jesus will renew the earth and things are going to be really good.

But before they're really good, like shit is going to hit the fan. Tribulations. Yeah. So my guess in their mind is they're saving it for the tribulations. Like there's another prophecy that at some point the Constitution will hang by a thread.

This is from Joseph Smith. And that the Mormon people will step in and save the Constitution and save like God and in America or whatever. What do they do if money isn't real anything? The end of the world. Gonna be hard.

“But you feel like that's why I've heard right.”

So that's like a dog whistle. Right.

Well, there was some pret somebody used it. I forgot who it was. I think it was probably Lori. Yeah. Chad Dayton, like that.

“That's the type of Mormonism they were really into.”

Because it seems that her father, Lori Vallo's father was a heavy pepper. And he said the same thing. Like apparently they started hardcore when some guy in the government said hanging by a thread on television. And then he said, we are not. We're ready to go.

That's the Mormon signal. Yeah. Yeah. I found this. There's this YouTuber that is like a Mormon pepper.

And he has this spreadsheet. This Google sheets thing with like 200 tabs. And in each tab, they're basically tracking all of the metrics that Mormon leaders have said are like signs of the end of the world. And every time I've gone back to like so many times.

And there's always like, you know, you can see how many editors there are.

There's always like unlimited editors. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Basically the religious is becoming what the people say it is. Yeah.

At least like the, you know, the church could very well like tamped down on this like kind of extremist sect or like branch. Well, those are the people that give the most money. Well, no, because unfortunately in the Mormon church like the theology has a built in sort of franchisee like thing where if you make a strong enough claim to be your own profit, you can spin your own church off the main Mormon body. And it's still Mormon capital and Mormonism. Mormonism.

Yeah. I mean, Chad Debel is an example of that. Modern Jeff. The laffordies were in Jeff's FLDS, like most of these sects. There's one called the order.

I mean, there's some that are polygamous, some that are, you know, some that are like three people, some that are hundred. Like Mormonism because it's built on profits. It's very easy to claim prophetic authority. Yeah, right? Did you just say it?

Because it's, to me, it kind of feels like like joking, but like it kind of feels like when you bluff and poker, words about timing. It's about like, okay, like what's this? No, from trust me. I just watched the documentary series of. Fan Bateman.

But Sam Bateman. And it seems it's like, okay, like you waited for a little bit. Yeah, wait for the power vacuum. And then you're like, I'm the profit now. And then like you use that the way properly.

Yeah.

“And wait till people are kind of like, what do we do next?”

They're like, you know, or if the, like the FLDS, the reason they became like more well known is because everybody, Wilford Woodruff is the one that said, we're not doing polygamy anymore. And then they were like, well, that's a sign he's a fallen profit. Sure. So they wait till there's like a fallen profit moment.

And then some new dude is like charismatic and just like, oh, I mean, it's me now.

So the leaders just basically call it.

Like I call it, I'm it. I'm like, don't seem like it. And when they're setting up that family, like what exactly is the benefit of being a sister wife? What is it? But I just get in all that fucking primo dick.

She says. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. She's gonna be nice to her. She's gonna be nice to her. She's gonna not only came down.

She's gonna be nice to her. I understand. We all got imagined just getting that, oh, Sam Bateman's delicious tiny hands. Just white leather jacket. Oh, God, he's cool.

He's so just, he's so cool. He's so fast. But he's got all those, I mean, he has like seven Bentley's. It's like clearly, you know, he figured out something. Like, I mean, he figured out a manipulate people.

But I mean, from a sister wife perspective, I do feel like if someone tells you your salvation is dependent on doing fucking anything, if you believe them, you'll do whatever. Like, I mean, that's like the premise of cults. So I think the sister wife thing is the same where it's like they're born into it.

They believe it fully and they believe that if they don't, that they're going to help. You ever try to get someone out, like explain to them, listen, this is a very slow wrong. I'm out, my life so much better now.

Matt, yeah, to Mormons, yes, but not to FLDS, really pull like most people. They don't even talk to you. Okay. I mean, that trust me documentary was so fascinating and watching her slow,

like having to literally deprogram them to even get them to the point. Yeah. Where they're even willing to acknowledge that I don't want to be raped anymore. Yeah. And I mean, especially the scene where they're in the car,

the two girls trying to get some statement on of jail.

And they're like, I have never been happy on my entire life.

This is exactly where I want to be. And we are basically actually celebrities. I believe that like they're saying,

“I believe that I am the most important person on the planet right now.”

Like he thinks the, you know, Queen of England is going to come hang out with them. Like that shit's so funny. Well, that's a part of like, and I've said this, you're lovely, but I've said this even before about the more manigo. There's like almost this feeling of that.

Because it's like, he does play on that for them, isn't it? Like, I realize that they like the feeling.

They're with the powerful.

The chosen wife feeling. Yeah. You know, because they're a part of a new cool, basically the new hip movement school. Yeah, like if you walk out, you know, if you walk out.

“But like I think that's, yeah, the, the like being able to like rise up in a cult”

or in a religion is like a power trip. Because you're like, look at how excellent I am. Because I'm already in the truest religion on earth. And now I'm in high leadership in the truest religion on the, you know. Because there are people like you where you were so nervous.

It made felt like this burden, like need to be a perfect Mormon to you. It seemed like feel like this tremendous burden. And it seems it's those that think, oh, actually this makes me closer to God. I like this. It serves another purpose.

Yeah, and I think I had probably both experiences, like both emotional experiences at different points. Yeah. Where like I went on a mission. I would you go. To fucking Colorado.

Okay. My husband went to Sweden, so. Yeah, it's cool. But don't eat.

Isn't there like a thing with where you go?

Isn't there like an insinuation kind of like that? Yeah. They kind of tell you like play it special, but it's a ping pong ball. I don't know fucking thing. But it was like my buddy Don is Mormon growing up.

He definitely, but he because he could speak Spanish fluently. They sent him a South America. They used to middle hole application. And if you had like say that I had a parent who served in a certain place, they might be like, oh, we'll send you to that same place.

Or if you learn Japanese in high school. Okay. We'll send you to Japan. Or often it is like literally just racial profile profiling. Like if you are black and you are in living in America,

they'll send you to Africa. Because you'll have an easier time converting people. Sure. Because you look like the people. So Asian Mormons, they'll send to Asia.

Even if they're like. As why America. Like they simply still just from America from Utah. Christianity has taken over Africa. And like it's not like there was definitely white people who did that.

Yeah, true. Don't shit now. And then well now the journeys are turning it into a gigantic cobalt mine. Well usually do they'll pair someone who is of the ethnicity of the country with a white person. Interesting.

So it like gets them almost into the door. But then also introduces like this cool American religion.

“If you told me you were from Colorado, I believe you.”

Yeah. Or Utah. I mean, you're the Colorado vibe. But that's no better than a Utah vibe. I'll take that's the note.

No, it's right. Yeah. Could you ski? Is that why they sent you? They like should be great.

Oh, so she loves you. So the reason I think I was sent to Colorado is because I disclose mental health issues. And if you disclose mental health issues, you're seeing almost like as a flight risk. Where they don't want to waste a ticket to Europe on you. And maybe you'll be sent home early.

So I mean, this is like most of this is like what people, you know. The word on the street. You know, there's no handbook that says the words. They were right. Yeah.

Yeah. So if I had not disclosed that or like another funny thing is only women are in the temple square mission in Utah. Because it's like a honey pot situation. Yeah. So if you go walk through the temple square, you'll only see like very beautiful young women.

I noticed that. It's like very beautiful like blonde blue eye. None of the elders. They don't like the stinky boys. No.

No, because I hate the boys. The boys are gross. Yeah. Most people feel that.

“Always because those walk through the backpacks on.”

And they just got done biking. Always. I have this idea. I just happen to me the other day. They came to my door.

I'll just a took all of my strength to not heritage it. Because I can't. As you can imagine. I'm a devil. I'm a woman.

I'm a devil. Yeah. Yeah. It's devil's a lover. I just want to be like.

Come inside. Excellent. Yes. Here we go. Enjoy it.

Have a cup of coffee. Is there anything you miss? The book. The book of Mormon. I did bring one.

Hello. Did you steal it from hotel? Okay. Good. No, this is my girl.

Can I bring it? Okay. Here it is. I wanted to give this to you. It's so sweet.

I wrote my testimony. The front. Just get it. Oh my god. Oh my god.

This was all in elaborate rules. I'm still Mormon. Yeah. Oh my god. That's the most effective sales pitch I've ever seen.

Honestly. Is there anything? Is there anything you're like, oh fuck. What do you miss? You know, I think mostly.

When you leave a religion like the Mormon church.

You're never going to be able to replicate the sense of community.

Because I'm kind of an orphan now from like I'll never be able to. You're going to be as integrated into a social group as I wasn't.

I'm an atheist. I think you're great. Wow.

And my family hates me now.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Probably wouldn't have anyway. So I maybe I missed my family. Yeah.

Here's the thing. If you would have stayed, they still would have hated you. But they would have been currently abusing you as well. Yep. And so like everyone just thinks it is love.

Yeah. And so you made the right choice. Very conditional love. But like when you, you know, I mean, I still miss like, I wish I could still walk into a room and say when I'm feeling or on my family.

Yeah. And not that I ever like fully could. But I felt like I could at least more than I do now. This was time to talk to them. Um, like a month ago.

Okay. You know, it's very cordial. We don't.

And you know, I know that they hate that I'm doing all of this.

And especially I brought the temple close today. Oh, no. That's the most heretical thing I do. So I think that that specifically is what has made them the most frustrated. We got to see it though.

Like it's for like, honestly, we're fucking curious. Sorry. The rest of us are super fucking curious. You don't have secret underwear then. If you don't want to know about it, then don't have that.

Yeah, that's just called. Yeah. You should say secret under one. What? What was like, would you say the biggest cultural like hurdles you hit when you left?

Like, what was that the hardest part to kind of?

“Like, that's what I loved what you did with your book.”

I love the fact that you helped kind of be like, Here's a couple of things that help you not be as weird when you get in the public. Like when you get out. I would say like, Mormonism gives you so many rules that then when you leave. This is a big problem with a lot of X-Mormons.

It's like feels like there's no rules. So I would say like trying to adapt to, Okay, I want to try drinking, but I literally have no context for that. So I haven't grown up seeing drinking in movies even. I can see my parents do it.

Like, whether it's that or any other substances.

In modesty, you're like, you know, I never wore tank top before.

Like, it's like, that's wild too. That's a modesty, right? It's any inch of skin. Yeah, any showing your shoulders, short shorts. So I think like figuring out the balance between like doing what always feels very radical.

Like drinking coffee feels very radical. But does Celsius allow? No, well, so it is now because they kind of got rid of the caffeine rule. But when I was a kid, I couldn't have caffeine. Yes, this one of the big changes because they brought this up before the show

is with the dirty sodas. Yes. And that was what Eddie was very soda. Eddie wanted to drink soda. Oh, I want.

You don't think you do.

“I was like, can you describe to him what a dirty soda is?”

Yeah, it sounds kind of gross, but it's basically, and Sonic, Sonic has already been doing stuff like this. So it's kind of a rip off of Sonic, but. Oh, I think kind of a Mormon company. So Sonic?

Yeah, I don't think Sonic. But so I thought that. Swig is the main dirty soda company, but it's usually like any soda with like a creamer. So they'll put like half and half into their soda or coffee creamer.

So good. It's not Eddie. Or like they'll do like the pumps of the Italian soda, pumps type stuff like any mix in and then like lime or. That's not going to look like a couple got invented.

Dude, you should try it. It's so sweet. It's so gross. I know ice cream sometimes in your soda kind of. That's cool.

That's a float. That's a root for you. Yeah. Yeah. This is all problem.

I mean, I see. I feel like it like gives me a stomach ache, but I'm also not like a huge soda drinker. So I mean. As bad as like a rumored joke.

Well, I prefer a rumored joke. I prefer a rumored joke. Do you find it now like, but the world seems to kind of be cracking open about. Mormonism and understanding like,

are they having a hard time keeping people in? So apparently from a recent study, I think I've heard different stats, but I've heard 40% of people my age and younger leave. I've heard 50%.

It's hard to know because like. They have to be hit none of a young person problem. Of course. I think they definitely are. They don't want to do anything.

There's a subreddit called Mormon Shrivel. Yes. That has like every time a church building goes up for sale, people posted on there. And yeah, I mean,

I definitely think they're shrinking.

“And maybe that's why they are now changing other rules.”

Like, they change the rule about tattoos and piercings. Yeah. So you fucking weak bitches. You self fucking weak. Well, they don't get a church money.

They stop getting their fucking income. So they got to bend some rules. Fucking Catholic Church doesn't give a fuck. Yeah. Hopefully, yo, he's talking about anti-AAI,

but he still hates gay people. He doesn't give a fuck. That's a fucking thing. They got that's a cult with a spy. That's what they need to get going.

And it's like, so this actually probably puts us into a really fun

good way to start this, which is I find it interesting that your parents think that you talking about the temple garments is the most like, like the horrific thing that you do. Why? Because the temple is like the most secretive part of Mormonism.

Um, I know that probably for, you know, you all, like you just Google it and you'd see the things online. And you'd like, oh, that's what it is. But like, for within the religion, or like it feels like a cult when you start talking about the temple,

it's like a very well protected secret. Like, I didn't know anything about the temple until I went through it myself. And I would even have, um, you know, friends in high school because I grew up outside of Utah.

They'd try to, they'd be like, watch this YouTube video. And I'd be like, I knew, I was like, no, this that's sacred, like, so whether it's like the secret hand shakes or the apron or like the words that, you know,

the secret words that you learn.

“Yeah, there's like certain things you have to say.”

Like a passcode. Yeah, and there's like a, you, but don't know, it doesn't summon a stick lift our hand through the curtain or you go through the whole thing. And you did the whole thing, right?

Yeah. The most boring secret handshake of all time. Unfortunately, yeah. I wish it was like somebody. Can you tell me what it is?

Which, well, which hand, there are four hand shakes.

What's the first hand shake?

So the first hand shake. Okay, the first hand shake is you put, you both put your thumb on like the, yeah, right there. So like right on the knuckle. Okay.

Okay, so that's the first one. And the second one is the valley of the knuckle. The valley of the knuckle, which is dangerous. Okay. What I normally call that the vagina of the knuckle,

but continue, I'm just saying. And then the next one, you would go like this. Okay. And I would do that to you. Okay, they nice pinch the hand.

No, that's, that's, we do it. Me and Julie, we do that to each other. We squeeze this little meat right here. It feels good. It is really nice.

Where do I actually do it?

“I know that everything was stolen from Masonry”

and all that kind of stuff. Do they? But we didn't, we didn't do the most fun here. Oh, please, please, please, please. The fourth one, you do that with your pinkies

and then do this and then like that. Oh, I tickle. You know what I mean? No, you tickle. Yeah, like that.

This one's actually kind of cool. That's the patriarchal grip. I feel like, you know, we're going to start hearing that. You want to walk around? Yeah, I want to do that.

Yeah, I want to do that with you. Okay. That's what it does in here. And here. And then you put this here.

And there we go. Yeah, that's awesome. That feels like fun. Yeah. We had to make me feel strong.

I do feel like masculine and just gender identifying. Do we do that, though? Like, what do they tell you that is? So it's in the temple. They say it's the signs and tokens that you will present to the angels who stand

as sentinels in the celestial kingdom. God. The highest level of heaven. Which is interesting. Because it's very similar to what the the Buddhist do with the barto

with this idea of like physicalizing this idea of you acted. There are certain steps. You're going to have to go through in order to get through. And it's very like one to one. It's not allegorical.

Man. It is the thing. You're going to be an angel. And so that's what they're saying. When you die, this is going to be the same set up.

But it's going to be an heaven. Yes. And there's also. So there's the handshakes and then there's the words. You have to know.

So I like got a noon. It's called a new name. What you want to have to. I like to. Yeah.

What's there is a lab? That would be kind of fun. Is it just made up? Nayset names. Or is it actual made up words?

So it's names from the Bible. Yeah. Which is so funny because. They're supposed to be from the Bible. But there's like way more men in the Bible than women.

Yeah. So men. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. The men's names are all things like Adam or Michael. These like awesome. The very main characters of the Bible and the women will be like a bish.

Esther. Esther. Esther. Yeah. Yeah.

And all that names. Good luck. And when you went through, did you feel anything? Mostly afraid. Yeah.

Because it gets built up so much in your mind as like literally the most important thing that

will ever happen to you. Yeah. You're endowed with power on high. And after you go through the ceremony and you get past the angels. That's like the ceremony that is basically your pre entrance ceremony to be coming

a God. Fascinating. So. And then what do you do after that? You go go get the hamburgers and stuff.

You do all this and say like, okay, you just became a God. Let's go. Let's go and make them go. It's like a God in you to row. Oh God.

And then you just go off and live a life. Yeah. I mean, then you are supposed to keep your covenants. So you make all these promises in the temple that you're covenants.

“And then the rest of your life is kind of the test to prove you can keep the temple”

covenants. And you used to have to promise to kill yourself if you.

I mean, I didn't have to promise them to kill myself. Yeah. But why I can't talk about that. I got you fucking God. Man, I can't believe there's levels to heaven.

Go fuck yourself. I know. You see the fight.

“If I die poor, you probably, you know, is it based on money?”

It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not.

It's not. So see you. Yeah. It's not based on like your network. It's not the time we've done.

But they do like a rich Mormon. They love a rich Mormon. Yeah.

And they are always the ones who get like promoted into the higher levels of

leadership. But yeah, we would go to the Taleshul kingdom because you guys are atheists. Yes. Great. Great.

Great. Great. Okay. Well, so there's change me. Can you fix me?

So even Satanists would still go to the same level. Oh, unfortunately. I wish there was a better cooler level for you for being a Satanist. No. I like it.

I don't see it to be hell in and of itself. Don't bring me to Mormon heaven. I don't want to go. So Salt Lake City was nice. Salt Lake City is fine.

“Well, Salt Lake too is so weird because you have the church HQ.”

But that's also like the most secular city in Utah. So there's like a huge counter culture where you can. There's like this barbershop where they have the temple symbols on the barbershop is like the logo, which is also like very heretical. There's a lot of like temple middle fingers around or like everywhere.

A bar called water witch, which is like what Joseph Smith was. So SLC's got the single of all of the places that've been to.

One of the most intense altscenes.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's hilarious. That's because the ex Mormon thing because like, you know, it's like the pendulum. You kind of become like more.

You're like, let me let me go the opposite direction. I'm going to do all the drugs. I mean, all the tattoos. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm going to be a satinist and fuck all of this. Yeah. So much fun. You guys are great. I'm not good.

Okay. So we're here. You have brought some temple garments. Yes. I'd love to at least look at them.

Okay. Because the only time I've ever seen him is in. I'm going to be on Cooth here. Okay. There's a series of documentary films on the internet called Mormon girls with a Z.

Yes. I'm familiar.

“That is the only way I've seen these before.”

So please, let's unsex these for me. Impossible. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah.

Because that's the thing is that they seem kind of like like they are very lazy. Okay. No. How often do you wear these? I'm like a Mormon burka.

Mostly just okay. So here's the. I have here the underwear and the temple robes kind of kind of separate things. Oh, but this is the underwear. All right.

The underwear for those of you who don't know that they're not watching this. I will describe it. I have one pair of boxer briefs. They're like this. This is a long leg boxer brief.

I like a long leg boxer brief. I don't. They write up. They do? Well, yeah.

Sometimes it's like nice because you don't have the thigh chafing. I guess you should know. Does that go on with no underwear with that on? Correct. So that's first layer.

So this is your bottom underwear. It is a loose as a man. And then and women. Oh, so women's also on the same. Yeah.

So men and women wear the same underwear. They're wearing underwear. They're wearing the same underwear. They're wearing underwear. They're wearing the same underwear.

They're wearing the same underwear. They're wearing the same underwear. Yeah. I guess that's not wearing pants. I thought it was like a spank thing.

Like you know. But also so then they also have the symbols. So if you see. They have like that little stitch there. Yes.

That's part of the temple ceremony. God. So and then they come in different like fabrics to.

So but they're always white.

Yes. There was white. My question is, is what does one do with. I'm going to say the Mormon men from what I've seen. I'm just going to make a call.

I think they're a skit mark. Group of men. I think there was a group of men. It's a lot of fence food. I feel like if there was a group of men that would leave skit marks.

It would be the Mormon men. How many get these stains out? I must say the baptist or worse. Mm. Mm.

Can you speak to experience? You know, I can't speak to the experience of if Mormon men generally get skit marks. Yes. It has to be a thing. Definitely.

Side stories help you. At gmail.com. It has to be a fun thing. I'm afraid we're going to have to get a new Mormon expert. Yeah.

Yeah. You might need to do it for that one. No. He's wiping the right. Yeah.

I mean, I can't speak to that. I can't speak to being a sister wife. Yeah. Not very well. I do well.

So they got the men. So this is the top. So you wear this every day. Every day day and night. I'm no close.

Under your clothes don't do. When you wear these as well.

How many pairs of these do you have?

Um, and like, same as normal underwear. Got it. Yeah. So I change it every day. Yeah.

So it's not like you know, can only have one set. No. It's not dangerous. I just thought that was like one set. I think you should wear that forever.

It's like it's a hell's angels leather. They're clean. Do you want to try to put one of them on? Yes. It might be a little small.

Kind of step out for women. Step out. Sorry back. Please banter amongst. No.

Actually. I do have a question about. But what's going on in the morning community right now. Okay. The whole guy.

He just died. Yes. What does the Nelson Nelson profit president Nelson president Nelson. So who replaced him? Oh, yeah.

President. So what's his deal? He's a lawyer or he is a lawyer by trade.

“So that's why John Dillon is getting sued in my opinion.”

Because basically he's like taking over.

You know, then the profit basically gets to take over the reins for the church. So I think Nelson was a little softer. Okay. Still not that. But like physically too.

Yeah. Very old. Yeah. Oh, so old. This is very sexy.

This is great. What else do you think that I can see your hair through it? Yeah. Yeah. Crazy.

Do you want the bus? Well, yeah. Give me the bus. Well, yeah. Let me try.

Let me try. You make the bus. They're going to have this very. Over your pants. Yeah.

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He's going to come in with a jacket. Why did he do this to you?

“You have to do this to become a god in the afterlife.”

But it's just fabric. How about this? This will get up is probably like a hundred bucks. Probably not. Probably more now.

It was a hundred bucks like 15 years ago. But they don't give it to you for free. So you got to buy it and then you show up. And say what's the underwear. So you buy your own shits.

You show up to your endowment. And then they put the shit you just bought on your body. Or you're like your mom would help you. And throughout the ceremony you add more things. So like you start with just the white dress.

And then as the ceremony progresses, you start with the white dress. And then as the ceremony progresses, you start adding these little pieces on. Do they all have different meanings?

The pieces? So this is supposed to be represents Adam and Eve. Okay, right about that. The leaf. It's a green leaf.

Because you learn the story of Adam and Eve leaving the garden of Eden, which is in Missouri, which is also hilarious. [laughter]

“And if anybody would not want to leave Missouri,”

I'd always wanted to go to Branson.

It's so weird. [laughter] It's Branson's the garden of Eden. That is right around and saw you. Forgot that you're wearing that.

[laughter] Oh my god, it's the nun. [laughter] Is this? Yeah, I feel like and then during certain parts of the ceremony,

the women, they kind of changed it, but you have to unveil your face. So when you chant in a circle, you do this. Oh god, here are the words of my mouth.

And you're doing the patriarchal grip with the person next to you. And you're doing all of this for the first time, and you're like, what the fuck is happening? It is so.

But I actually view it as a, I mean, more cynically. Obviously Elrun Hubbard built it very specifically into Scientology. The Zenu reveal was so specifically done to get you all the way in. Like he knew, he knew what to do.

He knew to put you through. Yeah. He learned it from the OTO. He learned it from other religions. And that's kind of find that interesting is that

you're what you see here is the old G version of it from stolen from free masonry of how to make somebody stay.

“Yeah, and it's like you have to do so much work.”

It's just like Scientology. You have to do a lot of work to get to the point where they even allow you to have this information. Yes, but the time you're walking the walk. The idea of it being silly or or dumb must do it.

Like that's the last thing from your. What you were saying, it's very fright.

It must be very powerful.

Yeah, because when you go through this, you're like, damn, Mitt Romney did this. My parents did this. All of my closest like my all my loved ones in this entire community did this.

So if I'm not okay with it, it means I'm wrong. Yes, because everyone I love and trust has literally done this fucking chanting ceremony. Which means, and you've just went and have done. Well, it's just be nice here.

An hour of total amounts of that doesn't do anything. And when you're in the middle of it, and like, I've read that a lot of people talking about this. You're like, you're expected to be filled with God's love. And you're like, oh, this is all weird.

It's sad and scary. They see some people who like obviously felt like they were filled with God's love. So by the time, like when you do the endowment, everyone else, which it could be like 30 to 40 people

has already done this ceremony. So when you go through you, and then you get this like special piece of paper that they tape onto or they pin onto you.

So everybody in the room knows that it's your first time.

And so it's almost like also the like, social pressure of like everyone staring at me because they all know it's my first time. Like, hey, see the Catholics we do it as a team. You know, there's like a bunch of it for Holy Communion.

There's like, you know, 70 of us. So we get in the cookie for the first time.

“Oh, I remember New Deal, but that was also different.”

Like, you know, Catholic was like, I kind of felt like maybe the same or it's like a social. But also like you've probably, you probably saw lots of people do that for the first time and get communion for the first time.

But you did it yourself. I saw it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You kind of started. You visualize like, okay, someday I'm going to do that. And I know what's like, I know what I'm going to wear.

I know what's going to be said. This is like totally blindsided. Yeah, it's done for that purpose. Yeah, like when I was growing up as a Mormon teenager, I thought I'm basically like a non-denominational Christian

just with the Book of Mormon. Like everything else felt like I'm going to youth groups. I'm going to church on Sunday. I'm reading the Bible. Like you're almost like lulled into this sense of like,

I'm just like everybody else. And then. You like what the fuck? Oh my god, it's the boiling water. The frog and the boiling water. Yeah, don't do kind of wrap this up.

But was there any, because we do have a current Mormon listener still somehow? Oh, yeah. We still have to say there's more underwear. Yeah.

We do have actually brought some of mine from home. Now we're all going to try it. This is the Satanist tradition. Little Tommy Jones. I can't hear.

“What's, I think, you're like, yeah, because we do,”

we do still have some current Mormon listeners. Okay. What's so fucking sorry about this? Yeah, I like, seriously. But honestly, what is the,

is there anything you could say to be like, this is what helped me get out? This is what I did. I bet there are people listening right now that are scared to get out.

You know, I find that engaging with stuff like this is almost like the pinnacle of like right before you leave. Because you're like, oh, I'm so nuanced. I can listen to it. And I still keep my faith.

Yeah. But then it chips away at your, like, understanding of the religion and like how much, you know, I feel like most people before they leave, they go through like a doubling down phase.

Because they're like, I don't want to leave. I don't, I can't cope with that. I'd rather just go harder. Yeah. And then they fall off the cliff that are like,

oh, I don't believe. But so maybe they're like that. I don't know.

Yeah, no, it's like, it's like, you always see like,

whenever like someone's about to break up, but someone they make lots of really nice mushy and super home. Yeah. The longer the caption is,

“the more in trouble the relationship is.”

Exactly. But babe, that's always like, great relationship. Yeah. It's like done.

Or they're very like social Mormons. Like, because it's so costly, socially to leave the church. Yeah. I find there's a lot of, it's called Pimo,

physically and mentally out. So who, like, I don't know what types of emails. What's it from Mormons? You were talking about two, but like the lady Mormons that are like doing all of the Botox,

all of the boob and plants, all of the stuff where it's like, hyper, hyper feminine. They're being extremely feminine. And real housewives of Salt Lake City. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, how does the Mormon church square with that fucking shit? Yeah.

Honestly, I feel like it's because the religion is like four men by men,

and men are never going to be pissed about women

trying to be hot. So. And then it's correct. It doesn't seem like that. Because men get...

No coffee, but you can get a boob job. You can get a boob job. Yeah. And because Mormon men... I mean, I do say that.

I was like, man, they have it fucking good. They just get a job. Like, if you stay in right, like, someone will hook you up with a job. Someone hooks you up with a wife.

Somebody hooks you up with a man. It must be hard to get men out. Yeah. I think it very much is. I mean, I was talking to a friend recently,

and they know someone who recently... They literally moved houses because they had left the church and then found it. Like, he lost all of his business contacts. So they moved to a different part of Utah.

And like, pretended like they had been active in the other ward. And then they were like reintegrated so that he could get a job. But if you don't hear me for a while, you don't hear me for a while.

And all of a sudden, I'm like, you... You've somehow seen me under a different name as a small town preacher or I'm running a different church and doing stuff. Just don't say anything. I just imagine you're making a documentary of some sort.

Yeah. You've ever seen me in that business and just understand. I'm working on something. Okay. Because obviously I've lost everything.

Yeah. And also let me ask you this question. I was just asking Natalie upstairs. Okay. This has got nothing to do with more of this.

I'm just literally just a lady question. Who's my question? Okay.

Because you hear your... Okay. You get married to 20 years old, right? 20-21 years old. You're married for like a year.

As your... Your man. Lady dies. How long are you a winner or four? Are you a winner or even if you get married again?

I'm confused by the question. It's okay. Your young man. Young wife. You haven't missed a Natalie earlier.

“Like how long do you have to wait before you...”

But you just like, are you always a winner or...

...a man on? No. I mean, are you... If you have a wife that dies, you're always a winner. Even if you're a man.

Even if it was the first marriage, six months long, you barely were married. Now you got a new wife to be with her for a decade. If she dies, then you still love her. So you're a winner.

Yeah. I mean, I think you could self-describe as a winner. But if that was like the first thing out of your mouth. And you people would be a little... Hey, I'm a winner.

This is my new wife though. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey.

Hey. Hey. Hey. That's a fun set. Do you like trying to use it for, like, sympathy points?

Yeah. That's interesting. Natalie. I got... ...winner was energy.

She used to laugh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You got to think something.

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Are you still married? Yes, yeah. That's amazing. It's very beautiful. That's really beautiful.

Honestly, it's really nice.

“Did you end you guys all up where your kids into?”

No, thankfully, we didn't have kids till after we left. Got it. What you'd think maybe we'd be like, fuck, having kids. We're not going to do that. But I still want to have kids.

I still want to have kids. After leaving. No, it's pretty nice. You got all of your fucking ducks in a row. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Now that he's out too. He's still kind of just like, whoa. How's he? His transition.

What does he do for a living? See, cocaine sales. [LAUGHTER] He does PR and marketing. Interesting.

Yeah. So yeah, I mean, we left together and we're raising our kids

to be basically like atheist and Texas, which is like funny.

Cause my seven year old will come home and be like, I told everyone, God isn't real. Then they started arguing with me. Yeah. That is the Lord's work.

Yes. That's so bad. I'm like, sorry, son. Yeah. The older people are going to have a real.

I do think that it's that generation. I have a lot of hope for those kids for your kids. I have a lot of hope for that generation. There's no nuns anymore. No.

Well, I am. I have hope, but I'm also afraid because they're too. I have two boys.

“And I'm worried about like the red pill.”

Neo concert like the new conservative young men who are like. Bone smashing. I think this one is some. Your husband like hugs him ever once in a while. Yeah.

I. That's it. They will at least. Yeah. They'll definitely grow up with a strong father figure.

Who's not like that. I saw this. You got a father that can maybe show some form of affection. That might help the little boys. Yeah.

You're a good parents. You don't got to worry about that show. Yeah. You already make great decisions. Like being on the show.

Being on this fantastic show. Thank you. This has got to be one of the. This is. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I was just heard. The viewers. I'm just going to say that. I'm just going to say that.

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But it needs to be a Z. Of course. Melissa. You're wonderful. Thank you so much.

I'm going to really find the book. So it's on. I say, try to get in from your local books or when you can, but it does Amazon help you. Obviously you get it all. It's all good.

Yeah, Amazon. Yeah.

Public itself published. So you might not find it in a local bookstore. I'm going to get it on Amazon. How to get out of the morning. How to leave the Mormon church by a lesser grandfell.

Check out YouTube. It is endlessly fascinating. You are constantly bringing up really cool new information about the Mormon. Like all of it's like everything that else was just say some of us are kind of obsessed with not saying me my wife. Yeah.

But yeah. I mean, you are saying that. But yes. So you guys, you great work. So thank you.

Yeah. Yeah. And I have a TikTok and Instagram. And yeah. Mormon stories is great too.

So. Yes. And he's getting sued. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I think it's probably coming. But not on wood. I mean, I think they're just waiting probably for it. I know you made it. I'll help you.

“It's the best thing to get ever happened for your YouTube channel.”

But the greatest. I mean, so I'm in Texas. Whereas like John is in Utah. And the courts are stacked with Mormons. Yes.

So I also think the reason they're soon John and on me is they know Texans like evangelicals don't give a fuck. Well, they actually hate Mormons. Yeah. John is still in. John the Len is.

I think, you know, no, he was excommunicated. He's out.

He was in he chose to stay in, but was still publicly critical as a, like, as a member.

And then they're excommunicated him in like 2018. And they really try. Yeah. They try to go like, well, we'll take a little bit of it. But don't you dare come from our copy rights.

He will sit at the balls off of you. We don't care. Even though it's not real. Thank you so much. Hold this on.

This was awesome. Thanks for having me. So much. Yeah. Yeah.

I can't wait to read the book. Hail sweet Satan. Yeah. You know, and hail sweet Satan again just for the more recommended. It feels really good.

I think you don't. I think he prefers Lucifer actually. Oh. Hail Lucifer. Yeah.

Wow. I'm your slave. Wow. She wasn't too upset by us. No.

Obviously.

“Honestly, as soon as I saw her, I'm like, oh, she's going to hate me.”

No, she but she did a good. You did a good job too because you didn't yell. No. You didn't rip off your shirt. I didn't get a bunch of food.

No. You didn't call it result in all different sauces. I didn't screw up and spoken as we know. No, no. I mean, we should have though.

That would have been cool. We got to get her on that. That's next. Yeah. Next we get her fully into drugs.

Yeah. Bung ribs with all this stuff. I feel like that's going to come down to we need you some LSD when you do some. Yeah. Honestly, I'd even do cocaine with her just to do it.

You know, I've never done heroin.

This is the person to do with it. This is the person to do because she seems responsible. If I turn a Mormon person or exmo with heroin, I win. Yeah. She looks like she always says Narcan on her right?

Yeah. We do we stole it from back. Yeah. I do have an arcana in my backpack. So if you start to seize up in front of me, just be like.

Yeah. I think you should give me a shot. Give me a full good shot. Give me a full good shot. Give me a full good shot.

Come on. I'm going to fucking die. Give me a full die, bro. But this is coming out next week. So I might be out of an arcana.

Yeah.

“You might have used it because I'm going to Bethlehem,”

Pennsylvania. And they are going to need it. All right. So go over to patreon.com/laskbottgesson. We'll have to listen to us.

Add free. You can also see movie signs with Ednye. Our videos over on the Patreon. It's fucking great. Hell yeah.

And our movie opinions. Solid. Right on the money. Going to the best better one. No.

Not a single person. If you think that your opinion is better about film, you are incorrect. This show is not a reason for Henry and I to write off our 4K DVD. No. No.

How dare you? Say that. That is not what we're doing. Also, this weekend is the end of JK Ultra. We're going to be in Tulsa, Oklahoma at Keynes Ballroom on July 17th.

And then we're going to be in Oklahoma City on July 18th. And then of course, if you can't make it out to either of those shows and you're so sad that you missed a JK Ultra tour. Don't worry. Don't worry.

LPOTL.Kizwi.com. You can watch us stream. No. It's not a PP channel. No.

Anymore. It is us doing our show at you from the comfort of your home. And if you rent it from them, it is available for two weeks. So you don't have to catch it live. You can just rent it and then check it out later.

It's no big deal. You also, if you do the VIP through Kizwi, you get to join us for Q&A after the fact. And you can answer questions. Oh, hell yeah. That's awesome.

I didn't realize we were doing that. We are nice. And also, if you're in Texas on Sunday, I'm going to be in Plano. I know Texas is big, but Plano wants you to come see me live at the mic drop. That's going to be on the comedy club does the comedy club.

Who knows about the city?

I don't know if the city is always the most welcoming.

Yeah, probably not. But I'll be there on September 19th. You know that shit. And then I got a bunch of other shows coming up. I'm going to be in Chicago, San Francisco, DC, all kinds of places.

And come see me live on the road.

And then Henry and I, I'm telling you, it's more than just crime wave. It's see over here.

“Oh, you got to believe it's crime wave all over your face.”

But a crime wave at c.com/last to go and buy tickets. We still got a couple of tickets left. I honestly very few left. Yeah, no. You can put them on lay away. Come and join us on the high seas.

We will kill a woman together. Shh, I'm sorry. Shush, shush.

“Just because that's what happens on Christmas.”

Yeah, it is.

But never really on Royal Caribbean.

No, they only run for whales apparently. But that's just because whales are there in the way, dude. We also got to get out of the way, man. Did you hear about that? No, I don't want to get into it.

It doesn't matter. But barely people on the cruise didn't even notice.

“That's how great the boats are in the Royal Caribbean.”

They ran over a bunch of whales and didn't even know.

People still haven't a great time. Yeah. I'm also come check us out of Mid-Summer Scream in the summer. The beginning of August out here in Long Beach. If you could, it's going to be a lot of fun.

When we sell on the album, doing a panel, doing some signings, and lots of shit. Just fucking hangin' out selling merch. You know what? You know the bullshit that happens in our accounts.

See, my fucking ass over at Mid-Summer Scream. Yeah, he's going to spread his cheeks. Let's just do the whole. You really don't want to. But you can.

Yes. That will be available. (laughs) I'll see. Hell, it was the grandfell.

Good work. Bye. Bye.