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My name is Carlos Oraz. I'm here with Pastor Josh Howard's and Pastor Paul Cunningham. Boying me for not being. Whoa, I'm getting out of here. That was a miscarriage.

We're doing a rapido episode. That's right. Yeah, rapido, rapido. I put the emphasis on the wrong side. That's correct.

That's right. Yeah, yeah. I was just almost Carlos. You got to start making a fun of American accent and American culture. Yeah.

Yeah. Maybe. Mostly. That's not like a little light racism to you just sort of. You're saying I should do reverse racism.

Absolutely. Absolutely.

Okay, here's what we're going to talk about.

Because for real. So here's what's. Here's what's going to happen in this episode. The back half of this episode is one of the more fascinating conversations. We have literally ever had.

So David Nasser, who is an Iranian Christian. He's hopping on in just a few minutes and let me just say we actually film that first. That is one of the more fascinating things we have ever recorded for this podcast. So here's what's going to happen in the next few minutes. In this podcast, we're going to talk what's going on in Iran.

We're going to talk about Jesus appearing in Muslims and dreams in mass in the middle East. We're going to talk about the Iranian war. Is there is not being potentially a part of in times events? We're going to up up top here.

We're going to hit James Talrico stuff for a fast. And then we're going to talk Sabbath. And we're going to do it. Rapido. Rapido.

It's basically the same thing. It's just, you know, a different syllable. In fact, it's something. You're just saying it wrong. I mean, it's fair.

He's like, whatever you said, bro, it's literally the same morning. Is there anything else you would say before we start talking? Man, I'm sure there's some things. Like some sort of time.

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I want to talk about two things. James Talrico. So yeah, if people haven't figured this out. So how do they know all of that app? They text the word app.

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You know, people are kind of figuring this out. You can grab that app. Just a sermon. Deeper dive the podcast. There's your Bible reading plan.

And then there's the discipleship guide. So you get a bunch of dudes together. Starbucks before work. And like, hey, man, let's, let's get into the word throughout the week. Let's get it and apply it.

So do it. To download the app text app to 041. By the way, Paul, you said you were going to go to Israel. Last up episode. Oh, that's right.

Did you? I heard you. Mr. Flight. Yeah, yeah. I've had a lot of people reach out of the past.

We've like, do you okay? People ask me as well. Hey, Josh. Did you possibly work? We should've actually put something out on social.

We ended up canceling like Friday night at 1145 p.m. Can't do the flight wake up six hours later. And we were dropping bombs. And so we had can't do it. We want to get tomahawk.

Yeah. Didn't want to get caught up in all that. And it's nothing else. We didn't want to fly all the way over there. And then if it started to happen when we were there.

And addition for safety of having to figure out a way out of the country.

So hey, at some point, we will make it a way over there.

“Hey, hey, before we dive in, kind of talk about what you would have seen in Israel.”

Please do. All right. This is, this is, bro, this is going to blow your mind. This is going to rearrange your soul.

You'll never be the same after you see it.

So this came out. This was, this was pretty recent. Okay. I'm going to show you an article that just came out from stuff that they discovered in Israel recently. The Paul will not get to see this.

Excuse me, why are you trying to? I think I know where you're going. This is really cool. Okay. All right.

Check this out. All right. So this is going to blow your mind. All right. So Matthew 2751, there is a little, a little detail.

Most people miss. I'm going to read it to you. It's right after Jesus cries. Eli, Eli, Eli, I'm a subaccompanied on the cross and he gives up his spirit and he dies. Okay.

Then Matthew 27 says this and people miss this little detail. It says, at the moment, the curtain of the temple was torn into from top to bottom.

“People remember that in the night, forget this.”

And then it says, the earth shook and the rocks split. Well, it's very interesting. He's just a little comment about the rocks splitting in an earthquake happening. I wonder what in the world. Very interesting.

So it was actually, I think it's the Daily Mail, a secular British publication. Here's the found some geologists over in Israel recently.

And here's what they discovered.

I'm going to read this. A team of geologists examined the sediment layers. That's rock formations near the Dead Sea. That's relatively close to Galgotha. About 25 miles from where many scholars believe the crucifixion took place.

Their analysis revealed signs of at least two significant earthquakes affecting the region. Why is it interesting? I wonder when those earthquakes might have happened further in the article. Disturbances in the sediment pointed to a major quake around 31 BC. Go ahead and throw that next to that first picture up.

This is a little seismological picture of the sediment. The rock formations there. Disturbances in the sediment which are seeing right there pointed to a major quake around 31 BC. And a smaller seismic event sometime between 26 and 36 AD. Now wait, just a second.

When did the crucifixion happen? And when does Matthew 27 record? An earthquake and rock splitting happening? Let me read a little farther. Disturbances in the sediment again pointed to a quake around 31 BC.

26 to 36 AD which is right around the window. Actually in the middle of the window when Jesus Christ was crucified. Sometime around 33 AD which led to this title of the article for the Daily Mail. Scientists confirmed biblical earthquakes that shook the earth during Jesus' crucifixion. And I would just like to say this.

They discovered that while looking at the geology of the region, ladies and gentlemen, even the rocks cry out. Boom. Boom. The Bible really happened. Wow.

Real Jesus died in a real cross. If you give him your life, he can really change it forever. Amen. What am I going to talk about next? I'll recall.

Let's do this. And then let's hit seven. So we had somebody explain what happened in a real quick while I get my notes. Tell her we go this week. What happened?

Yeah. So we had a senate primary vote that happened on Tuesday between different Republicans running different Democrats. And so you had two people. One was her name was Croquette.

She's in the house representatives.

“And then you have to tell her we go as represented from Texas.”

And ran off in the Senate. And then he came out and actually won pretty handily and pretty handily.

And so big thing of his is basically he tries to kind of come with a boy of a mobbing

a moderate. He'll throw out Boba versus say he's a Christian. I'm just going to be a minister. I'm just going to be a minister or a minister. And so handily won the vote to win not the to be the senator.

But to be now in the Senate race that will happen and culminate in November. That's right. And some people were like all dude with the groundswell of support for this guy. He could flip Texas. Yeah.

Yeah. That kind of thing. Now, I want to show you to correct just to be sure he is not an ordained pastor. He is a Presbyterian seminarian studying in the Austin Presbyterian theological seminarian to become a minister. Of course.

To become a minister. But he preaches his quote unquote church. I'm going to get to that in a second, which is I'll get to that in a second. Okay. So it's a dude climbing to be a Christian minister that's running for office here.

Now, when I do what I'm getting ready to do. This dude's bad news. I'll just say like this guy is like legit real bad news. Well, when I do this, some people were like, hey Josh, you're getting political. Let me just say a few things real quick and talk about this.

We're going to talk theological. We're not going to talk primarily political. There's a few reasons I want to do this just really fast. First of all, did you guys know this? Evangelical Christians are either one of or the least active voters in America.

So in recent elections, I read this this week.

“It heads up for every Christian listening, this is bad 32% of evangelicals vote and elections.”

Only 32%. You know, who's most active? Who? Liberal progressives. Yes, right?

Liberal progressives too clean to be Christians. Are they most active? Because there's a whole thing about that. We don't all podcast on that because when you lose a religion in society, politics becomes a religion. So that's what that happens.

Okay. So first of all, you have that. Number two, I just want to point this out. People were like, you shouldn't talk about this. You know what I'm saying, political?

Well, I just want to point this out. Do you know who's not staying out of politics? Satan's not. Like all throughout the Bible, what Satan does is he targets thrones and dominions. Like he's overtly political.

So I just want to point out, if Christians quote unquote, stay out of politics, all we're doing is seeding all that ground to Satan. And then handing our children and our grandchildren a cultural inheritance that shaped by Godlessness instead of the people of God.

So I just want to say, here's what we're doing this.

“And by the way, you know who else doesn't say out of politics?”

Who? In the Bible? God doesn't say out of politics in the Bible. Like literally, all throughout your Bible, God isn't getting involved in every aspect of politics. Literally, almost in every book of the Bible.

There it is. Okay. So I'm just going to rifle through because I'm watching this dude. You know, it's like, it's families like mine that are getting like hoodwinked by this dude.

It's like white. Maybe a little more educated families that are like, well, he's sounds because he uses Bible and Christian and theological language. And so people just see him on TV and be like, oh, good. Finally, a Christian pastor running for office.

It's an intentional place trying to act like a moderate. Hey, I love Jesus too. But I just happened to vote on a different side. It's very intentional. Okay, very intentional.

So let's rip that we've done two episodes on this guy. So I'm not going to belabor this. But I just want to keep ripping the mask off. So like, so you know what this dude is. So I'm about to, we're going to water board you again.

“So I'm going to water board you with James Talary.”

You go stuff. So people understand who this guy is.

Because here's what this guy is.

In the biblical category, this guy is a false prophet and a false teacher. That just so happens to also be in politics. And I'm very confident in that interpretation events. So we're going to rifle through these real quick training. We're going to rapid fire these.

So number one, this is his quote unquote church. San Andrews Presbyterian church. You got the LGBT flag by the way draped around across like visual blasphemy. Number two, we're just going to do some screenshots. These are like actual statements from this dude.

James Talaryko, our trans community needs abortions too. I don't even know what that means. Okay, I don't, I got questions that I don't want answers to. Actually, let's go to the next one. We got the next one.

For me, prophetic voices like Jesus have helped me reckon with my own whiteness. So weird, dude. My own masculinity, my own certainty. It's a never-ending process. It's a painful process.

Next one, let's keep going. James Talaryko, here we go. Modern science obviously recognized. He said this before Congress. Modern science obviously recognizes there are many more than two biological sexes.

In fact, there are six, obviously. Obviously. Yes, obviously. Okay. I got questions.

I don't want answers. Let's keep going. This next one, this guy, this guy, this is him giving a sermon. So he's preaching at his saying Andrews Presbyterian quote unquote church. synagogue of Satan.

First of all, it's a sermon about why God supports abortion. We did all episode on this. You guys can go watch it. It'll be in the discipleship guide. But before he starts, he gave a disclaimer about how he knows that trans people need abortions to.

So please don't take his use of the word woman as exhaustive. Okay. Again, I got questions. I do not want answers. This next one, this is a letter that he wrote.

I think he submitted this. I can't remember where he submitted it. But basically he was advocating. He is. He was advocating.

He wanted abortion clinics installed in every federal courthouse and every national park. Yeah. So that they would be. The reason he's like a very radical abortion. Yeah.

Dude. And he wanted to put. A government funded abortion outside of the reach of state legislation. So this is what he was trying to do. So you got this.

Next quote, James Taloreco, trans children are God's children made in God's own image. There's nothing wrong with him, nothing at all. They are perfect. They are beautiful. They are sacred.

Let's keep going. This is the quote unquote moderate Christian minister. I just want to point this out. James Taloreco again, tweets, grief can be a fertile soil for creativity and action.

Those of us in this moment have a great mission to do something that has never been done in human history.

Create a true democracy, multi racial, multi gender, multi cultural. And then notice this language he uses may we in our grief forge this new covenant covenant. So notice what he's doing is he's using overtly theological language to sort of cloak his extreme progressivism. This is a whole podcast episode.

Progressivism will hollow out your religion and wear it like a skin suit. That's what this dude does. All right. Let's keep going. Next one.

There's a lot of these. James Taloreco. If one cis girl loses a game.

“So it's basically this was about getting dudes out of women sports.”

Then the bill is worth it.

I guess I'm just I'm going to by the way read a cuss word here in a second.

So you can whatever. I guess we have a different moral yardstick. Because I say if one trans child dies to protect someone else's D trophy. Then the bill is grotesque. Go to the next one.

We're going to rifle through these. He literally was asked by Ezra Klein for the in a New York Times interview. What he believed about other religions. And he says other religions of love point to the same truth as Christian. So he's a universalist.

You know, it's just run of the middle universalist. Go to the next one. This is where he's he does a whole quote unquote sermon to the four people that are present. That Jesus was a radical feminist. Go to the next one.

Yeah. Texas Democrat. Can a James Taloreco prison is violence. And then listen to this quote world. It's hard to imagine a world without prisons.

Just because it's hard to imagine doesn't mean you shouldn't. And then look at it.

“You can see the little subtitles down there.”

He's at yes prison is violence. So this was like the whole defund the police. We want to now. I'm going to play you two short clips of him. And then I want to read a Bible verse.

All I'm going to do is play two short clips and read a Bible verse. Number one. Here we go. In the Gospel of Thomas, which is. Later admitted from the Bible.

Pause. Pause. Pause. So the Gospel of Thomas is in a pocket full. It's like a heretical.

Yes. The Gospel of Thomas was written 200 years after the time of Jesus.

It was never in the Bible.

Everybody knew it was fake. The person who wrote it basically said I'm Thomas. But everyone knew it wasn't whatsoever. Yeah. So it's a fortune.

Yeah. It was never in the Bible. To admit something mean it had to be in there. It was never actually in there. All right.

There's a story ago quote unquote preaching from it. Let's keep on. By church officials. The Gospel of Thomas quotes Jesus the same. When you make the male and female one in the same.

When the male is not male. When the female is not female. Then you will enter the kingdom of God. So first of all, Paul and I were talking about this over.

First of all, he's misquoting the Gospel of Thomas.

He's intentionally twisting it. Like when the heretic would say, you misquoted me. You can tell someone's all. Like the third circle of heretic hell. Even the heretic you're like, bro, you're really out there.

You got this. So you got this. And he's misquoting it to like essentially do queer theory and trans ideology. It went men or women and women or men. And then last one, this is like my blowing.

This is testifying. I think before Congress go for it. It's both masculine and feminine and everything in between. God is non binary. Again, he's using this to advocate for queer theory and transgender ideology.

So let me just say this about this guy. And some of my, hey man, you guys are being really hard on this guy. Hey man, like we're not supposed to take it light on people who are like. Actively leading people to hell. So so this guy is like if the coexist bumper sticker was a person.

Is like what this guy is. So let me just remind you who in the Bible is the one that distorts the world. God to try to get people to do godless things. And say it. And just because somebody's got a verse doesn't mean they're right.

So if you're a Christian and you're watching this, you've got to develop the discernment to go. Hey man, is this somebody that's actually teaching the word of God? Or is this somebody that's actually twisting the word of God to advance. Very, very godless things. What you're seeing right there is somebody that's dressing up as a minister of Christ.

To advanced anti Christ teachings. So I will simply read a Bible verse. This is from second Corinthians 11. For such men are false apostles deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ and no wonder.

For even Satan himself disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. Watch out, watch out for this dude, watch out. Yeah, I love how he's already fired back in his team has.

If you're, they're already trying to paint me as an extremist. No bro, we're just retweeting you. We're just reading your stuff. People are doing this going back through your Twitter profile and re-tweeting what you've already said and posting videos of what you've already said.

And I think that goes back to it is like, hey, if you're claiming to be a modern in it, to me, it's almost more offensive that he tries to put Jesus on top of this. Like, hey, if this is what you believe, I've vehemently disagreed.

“At least if you want to say, the fact that you're trying to slap Jesus onto this makes it way more offensive”

into your point.

into a really, really bad path that could lead to some bad consequences for our society. There you go. Yep. We've got two react episodes to some of the stuff he's done. Those are going to be in the discipleship guy.

They can get that out. They can download the lake point out. Yeah, I'm going to take the word up to two zero for one. And then you'll find that there. The discipleship we had.

That's right. It's on their every episode. So you check out the YouTube video on the Lake Point app and then underneath just scroll down. You're sure find it there. That's great. What do we tell my name? Luke chapter 6. We gotta do this. That's right. So Sabah, you're gonna ask me the thing. Oh, Pastor Josh have a question for you. I will allow it. I was waiting for you to say that What did it make to this?

Dude, I had a blast through this servant. So this week we did Luke chapter 6 6 1 through 11. We're doing a bestie in Jesus and it was interesting because we kind of dovetailed Did Jesus come to be out or it constantly make it up, but then it was funny man because the passage we preached was primarily about Sabbath and legalism is really interesting

“So dude, there's honestly there's so much in this passage like”

Every scripture has layers. There's, you know, it's like there's layers to this. This one it's like layer of on layer up on like you could do a sermon series From Luke 6 1 through 11. So let me do a couple things real quick. They're pretty cool and then you're gonna talk about Sabah Terry and views. This is actually people don't know. There's actually a pretty significant debate in among Christians about Theological views around Sabbath. So I'm gonna have Chad G. Ball T talk about that here in a second. Let me just riff some of the stuff real quick

So first of all, this is one of the really cool passages that we actually like know where it happened and not to brag I've been there and Paul would have been there. I would have been there. It's the great thing I've ever experienced in my whole life

Everyone who's been there feels like their life has changed forever and they wish that they had never experienced any of their life before having on

And it's just it's Nirvana after you've been but Paul has not been and I've been Yeah, well I've never been there. So I'm still gonna joke We're all gonna go some time. Hey some day we should do a live free either journey of Paul or Israel trip and just we should we do a live free trip

“But be amazing. I mean, I think we'll figure it. Okay, so this is one we actually know where it is. It's pretty cool”

So first of all this so this account what happens here is recorded in multiple gospels So the geographic location is not recorded in Luke, but it is recorded in Mark. Okay, so first of all we should throw the the big the big temple throw the big one up So first of all this this event happened in cappernium and this is gonna be important here in a second This is really cool. So if you have a cappernium This is a big Jewish temple slash synagogue this in cappernium

That's not from the time of Jesus

They constructed this really nice one on top of the one that was from the time of Jesus and I'm getting ready to have a really cool moment here in a second

So just stick with me. All right, so this is the one that's built on top of the actual one But if you go, I think it's on the west side of this thing. I've got a group picture But y'all on this thing and you look over the wall. You see on the left you can say well if you look over that wall and down go to that next one They excavated this and that actually is the Original synagogue in cappernium. So I just like let I took that picture

Let this sink in for a second you are staring at the ruins of the synagogue that the book of mark Specifically says Jesus Christ stood in and taught the Bible in Just Paul so like Paul you're gonna do this you guys are gonna go to Israel You're gonna stand in multiple synagogues and know for sure Jesus Christ the Son of God

stood right here and that right there Jesus Christ stood right there and taught it and said we got now here's what's legit awesome

so one of the gospels Let me see if we know which one and I don't get him I know it's one of the gospels

“It talks about how you remember the story of the paralytic dude that gets lowered through the ceiling”

So one of the gospels mentions that happened at Peter's mom's house and it specifically mentions that they're in cappernium and they walked out of the temple over there And then it happened okay, so dude here's what's legit a few years ago They start excavating real near that spot and then cover this go to that little this little thing They uncover this it's this little octagonal very normal home

You know from the first century when when she used to live and is there excavating it they start noticing hey this real weird

And you start looking and it says in coin a Greek

Petra Peter like all over the thing Peter Peter like all over the thing and then there's some inscriptions our guy pointed out that it says like something about Jesus Christ You can see it well you put all the context clues together Okay, it says they were in cappernium. It says that Jesus walked out of the they walked out of the synagogue They went over to Peter Peter's mom's house. They lower the paralytic guys that is Peter's mother-in-law's house That they have uncovered that is the spot where those roof records pull the thing off the roof and lower the dude through the the hole and the roof

It happened right there And all of this so this whole Luke thing where they're having this debate about the Sabbath happened all right here Wow all right here. So again, I just want to keep pointing this out Parents I want to strongly encourage you to stop talking about Bible stories and talk about Bible events Because the Bible really happened the real Jesus dot on a real cross for the real you and if you given you give him your life

He can really change it forever So all this stuff happened right there now. I got a shortness because we got to do this

“Happy that's right, but I was gonna ask you did you like it going did you like going there? It's the best thing that's ever happened to me”

And I feel sorry for anybody that's never been they have not actually even lived

Especially people looking forward to four hours of hopping on a plane looking forward to I said I can have to cancel though. Those people were the worst That's the worst Okay, yeah, keep going keep going All right, let me do it go. So what happens in this passage is

Jesus and his disciples they're walking through a grain field They start pulling grains of wheat off of stocks roll on them in their fingers and eating them The Pharisees walk up basically here's the theological lay of the land on these 11 verses What's happening here is the war is about legalism, but the battlefield is the Sabbath That's what's going on in this passage is why there's layers the war is about legalism

The battlefield is about the Sabbath

So what happened is the Pharisees come at what legalists always do is they take the rules and they add rules to the rules

“And then make sure that you obey their rules that they add it to the rules and if you want to obey”

They're rules that add it to the rules that you suck So so what they did is they took the Pharisees took the Old Testament command no work on the Sabbath They added rules to the rules. They created a 39 point checklist about what it means not to work And that there's some hilarious stuff in there by the way these are true stories Came across these as we so one of their rules was you couldn't travel over a mile on the Sabbath except

Overwater and that's because if you're you know taking a leisurely time and you're a little jump out And you you know the current takes you over a mile. Yeah, I see you didn't do any work Yeah, so bro, there's like there's a literally or the next Jewish people who on Saturday That's a Jewish Sabbath. They'll take a bottle of water and put it under the driver's seat in their car Lupole seriously. This is not this is a real thing

It's a real area. So it's like you imagine like God's like hey bro you better not you're like like I got a dissonny under here Oh, there's water underneath Oh Here's another one this is This did make it in the sermon but it's too good not to tell

I've got a pastor friend and when you go you'll you'll see have you been you haven't been to Israel have you that's right When you go Saturday I'm sorry. I haven't been there so let's all go together. Oh, so when you go on Saturday They they have a Shabbat elevators. I love this story so I'm the Shabbat elevators because One of the rules that it's the rules which you're not allowed to make a fire on a Sabbath

Well, then they modernize it like well if you push a button and you start an electrical current That's the 21st century of starting a version of starting a fire So you they will you we got to have a way to do the elevator, but we can't have your press of button So on the Shabbat elevators they stop on every floor So I got a pastor buddy who's there on a Sabbath and he walks in and he starts noticing is all these people in the elevator

“And he's like stop on every floor and he goes hey, man, what's wrong with this elevator and they go is this?”

This is a Shabbat elevator and he goes what is Shabbat Hebrew for slow You're like no, no, no explain the whole rule thing. You know how we can't press a button and he goes what? Well, they come to you guys got a Gentile elevator and they're like actually yes, oh, you gotta do it's just cross the hall and the Gentile there's over there. You can go over there and push a button. We've gone to so he walks across the hall get to the Gentile elevator Presses a button. He looks behind him all of them followed him into the Gentile elevator and they go will you press seven for us?

Again, look all blue balls. Yeah, all right, so this was going on This was going on here So a couple things about this passage that are interesting

Okay, by the way if you want to remember fourth command. Here's how you remember it 10 commandments hand motions Four fingers how many Sundays other in a month. Oh four people fourth command You on it. Oh, it's just checking on my mind if that if every single month one. Yeah, there's a Man, my brain just doesn't I don't stay don't think okay, okay. Okay, okay, fact check Let's keep going for people okay, so in the old testament first of all Sabbath breaking carried a death penalty

So there's actually a time in the old testament where a dude was picking up sticks on a Sabbath

And they executed him and by the way, we do not apologize for the Bible the Lord is always just

So I don't understand all the circumstances, but I do understand the principle one of the principles is man When you violate God's principle work for seven rest for one you're killing yourself This is how God designed the world in fact. This is but this is super interesting So have you ever this is kind of thing nobody ever asked themselves You know like if you're listening ask yourself the question huh

“Why don't why don't we got a seven-day work week. That's weird. Where did that come from?”

What it came for the Bible that is Can't came for the Bible so there have been societies who've been three societies in human history That tried to go it's really stupid. We got a seven-day work week while we're doing this They tried to do it. They tried to do a 10-day work week in the French Revolution They tried to do I think it was also a 10-day work week in the Soviet Revolution and then the ancient Roman Empire

Started going on it's stupid to have a seven-day work week. Let's change this and they tried it in all three of them It's completely failed like society fell totally apart. Why? Because when you break God's principles you're killing yourself You know what when you go against the grain of the universe you're gonna get splinters So just pause and think about this it's got kind of blow your mind. How many nations in the world today?

And we know most nations are not explicitly Christian. How many nations in the world today have anything other than a seven-day work week? I'm gonna say none. None. None. None. None. God's word is true. I'll also say this dang. There's so much I want to get here. I'll also say this The seventh date. There was a study they did going through that Wikipedia thing up Wikipedia everybody knows this perfect source of information I can't see that can you see that I can't see that here. I'll just read off there

No, okay, so the this is really fascinating They actually did a study so the seventh day Adventists we don't need to get into this there's some weird stuff about seven-day Adventists But they're big deal. They care about the seven. Yes. They do big deal about the seven They actually did this study uh like over a long period of time about seven-day evidence. You look right down there That inch on what what their study showed was that seven-day Adventists men lived in average of six point two years longer

than the rest of the population So it's just like dude. It's just showing like men. There's actually it's hard-wired into your biology. Yes. Work hard for six days

“Rest for one. So then you start gone well how how do we get where we're at in America when we started our country?”

You know our country was like hey there were there was a very small contingency of Jewish people in America around the founding Most work Christians so the Jewish Sabbath was obviously Saturday The Christian Sabbath was Sunday Paul can you tell them real quick why Christians worship on Sunday and us not Saturday? Yeah big thing is because that's today Jesus rose from the grave so literally there's people in the early church I think around 150 Justin Martyr specifically says we do this on the day of the sun because Jesus rose on that day

Interesting. I don't know one fifty about one fifty eighty on a day. It didn't concentrate around then didn't he like Officially kind of go hey whoa it's Sunday's the Sabbath. I want to say around three twenty nine

He specifically basically made Sunday to be a day of rest

You made it to be a day of rest for the impact. I think it's three twenty nine around there so if you're wrong Everything's ruined. I know I know Chippos here right now everything's ruined That's okay, but what happened when we found it. If you were going to Israel here would have known Yeah, if you've been to Israel you know If you in our country

So we're a found on the country they were like well, I'm in the Jewish Sabbath this Saturday and the Christians Sabbath is Sunday Which won't get take in like Americans we're like we'll take both

“That's we did it seriously. That's how we got”

We're actually if I understand correctly. We're one of the few countries who have a two-day weekend And that that's how we got that Now let's America God bless America come on man. Amen one thing I do want to say last thing and then Paul want you to talk about Sabotarian views because a lot of people don't know there's actually fairly significant debate Around hey is that just is Sabbath just an old covenant thing

Or is it a new covenant thing? Hey should it be on Saturday or should it be Sunday or does the day matter? Or there's some passages in Hebrews that are like actually Jesus is your Sabbath rest

What the heck does that mean so you're I'm you're gonna do that your little chat jip all seep thing here in a second

One thing I like about this passage which is how we started getting there is the original question was did Jesus claim to be God?

Well in this passage Jesus says he gets in here and bro, it's one of these like if you can which camera we're all looking at

“All right, so there's a bunch of stuff. Oh, I want you to talk about the Messianic secret here in a second. Can you do that?”

Yeah, yeah, so there's a bunch of stuff in especially the gospel of Mark it's in all of them, but especially got some work We're like It's these moments where if you could see me on camera Jesus will do these things and it's almost like a he's like wankin at you like Let's like I'm your huggler Barry Do you know what I do

Wait, yeah There you go I'm still waiting on Google. I year in into the podcast But what about this one movies this from how do you like dim apples? I don't know that one. Yeah, we're gonna get there. We're gonna get there and then we're gonna be going

How you like dim apples? So Wait, where was that? Oh, okay. Yeah, he does he does his stuff where's like You'll just say something like wank at you. I'm your huggler Barry towards his divinity and his identity is messiah

Now Paul's gonna answer his question in a second in a couple of the gospels he intentionally keeps his identity as

God and as Messiah a quote unquote secret and theologians refer to it as quote the Messianic secret You're gonna answer a question why he does that here in a second But this passage is one of them. So he's talking his Pharisees And he literally says this is really this amazing he goes I'm the Lord of the Sabbath and it's like a he just winks and what he's saying is he's going you know that fourth commandment

That was written by the finger of God. I wrote that yeah, and if I wrote it I get to interpret it and it's this little like it's a little slow wank I'm I'm God, okay. I'll give you one of my other very favorite little little I hate the I hate what people say It was a godwank. It's just very feminine to me, but but this is kind of like a one of those kind of thing

“The other one you remember that passage in John nine”

Where Jesus spits on the ground and makes mud and sticks it on like I always wondered what heck

It's gross bro. He Spits on the ground makes mud and rub spit mud in some dudes. I why didn't you do that? What if you go back to the book of Genesis? How did God create the first eyes that were ever made but does the ground out of the dust of the ground? And so then that dude is blind and

They're all questioning who Jesus is. I wonder if he's he the Messiah is he got And it's like Jesus with Genesis in mind he spits on the ground make some dust of the ground some dirt Put it on the dudes eyes and it's like he's saying I've done this before What are they're in this before but it's like it is I'm him yeah

So this passage is one of the clear moments where it's like bro. He's it's right. He's saying he's God now well you answer the question Paul Why is it because it confuses some people Why does Jesus sometimes when people figure it out? He's like don't tell anybody yeah don't tell But and sometimes he'll do stuff like this where he eludes to his divinity

Without right saying it even though he does outright say it a couple times So I'm not saying I can see your explainer away. Well, and also like when he cast out demons They'll begin saying who he is and he'll shut up down fast Which if it were today when you think it would be the opposite like he would want as much publicity as possible

As you said you see this especially in the book of Mark and especially in the first half of the book of Mark

Three big reasons why one was to avoid political misunderstandings So at that time Jewish people expect to the Messiah to be a political liberator Specifically liberating them from Rome and Jesus that is not his mission that is not his mission His mission is to do something very different which is to die on across the toning for the sins the role in the rising from the grave Number two, he wants to control the timeline of his mission

So Jesus knows if he just comes out swinging and says on the Messiah on the Son of God That's gonna cause a confrontation real quick In fact if he looked towards the end when the actual trial begins happening he no longer He says you're gonna see the Son of Incoming on the clouds. He let it be known because at that point It's time by the way whenever Jesus calls himself the son of man some people mistakenly think oh

See he's saying he's just a man. No, no. He's using a messianic title from Daniel chapter seven's right That prophesies about the coming divine Messiah And he's gonna it's his it's another on him and so you actually you'll see throughout the The gospel's he'll often say my time is not yet come and the time is referring to is the crucifixion and so if he plays this hand too much The first that'll cause the conversation and his mission on earth was not done

“But the third big thing that I think is actually the biggest thing especially in the book of Mark is to reveal that you cannot”

Understand his identity apart from the cross you can't it's a really interesting in the first half of Mark He's mainly doing miracles. He's healing. He's casting out demons and then every time someone's to go say something No, no, no, no, no, and that's because he doesn't want to be simply known as a wonder working Messiah

But what's interesting is then in the middle of the book of Mark literally at the hinge part is where Peter confesses him as the Messiah And Jesus says you're right and then immediately after that it says this and he began to Teap set the son of man that the Messiah must suffer. I forgot and die and so all of a sudden switches And it begins talking a lot about his suffering and then what's interesting is There's only one human being in the book of Mark who accurately sees a nose that he is the son of God know who it was

No, a human being a human being how he was the son of God. Well, wait don't don't say it the book of Mark and the book of mark Dude, I got nothing at the very end the Centurion and it's after he saw how he died truly this was this man was this son of God And so the idea is you cannot understand Jesus's identity and his mission apart from what he did on the cross That's the big idea

So it began it was to basically avoid political misunderstandings

It was to avoid the basically timing of his mission moving up too soon and then finally it was that if

“Hey, if you're going to know me as a Messiah you have to know me as the suffering”

Serpent Messiah who died on the cross for you. Okay, so there's your Messianic secret now What you got in this passage and then I want you to talk about saboteria and views and then let's Finish giving some practical pointers on how to practice the saboth and then we're going to go to an answer So let's let's do this as quick as we can here So if you the thing about this passage which triggers everything

Is these guys like hey man, you're breaking the extra rules we made when y'all are walking up He was breaking four I came across this and study this week. He was breaking four of their rules One they had a rule against reaping

To they had a rule against threshing and by the way, I didn't know this when I first read the passage I like brother

Not threshing anything it says they're rolling through their fingers But they had a thing where it was like I guess it was agriculture really cultivated grass if you were walking on it Then that was a violation of their understanding of a threshing I know it's stupid And then number three they had a rule against winnowing which would have been taken the things and then number four

The rule against preparing any food so Jesus guys are breaking their four rules. They added to the rules

“And it it triggers this whole thing. I'll tell you how I'll tell you how I think about saboth”

And then I want you to talk about the debate among Christians on sabotarium views So first of all, I just want to point out And we preach this this Sabbath is a principle that's woven into creation That actually precedes the law and so even when you get the abrogation of the law And she's like hey, I'll fill the law the law's not a thing anymore

It's still a principle that's woven into creation So obviously where it comes from as genesis one two and three God creates for six days rests on the seventh day and then the rest of the entire Bible goes It's really interesting The rest of the Bible primarily points to the genesis creational pattern as why we practice a saboth

So I just want to point that out some people like you don't got to do anymore. He's not in the law I'm like well, yeah, but it's woven into creation. I also want to say this is it and I'm

The book of the Bible is I'm drawing a blank. It's first Corinthians one person considers one day more holy than another

That's first Corinthians 12 through 14 in it. One person considers one day more holy than another Yeah, but then you also get something like that in Colossians as well Colossians also about favoring you know saboth day or Newman festival so like that. Yeah, I believe Corinthians I don't know you're talking. Okay, so so my view on that is people like why man? Yeah, I know the original saboth was Saturday

Christians started worshiping on the lords day by the way. We actually have confirmation of that in the new testament In Revelation you have where you're going to say this and then go go go go you have John who receives his revelation in the cave on the Alapamus you can go there if you go over there. Paul if you were a bit of oh, that's right Sorry, sorry do I'll suck it man, and I'll think it's over. I'll see about that answer your question. You're going. Okay

Someday When the war's over What I hate when there's complete peace in the Middle East you'll be able to go over there But John and the Alapamus says that he was in the spirit quote It says on the lords day and so it's you even get this affirmation in the new testament in Revelation

John is apparently worshiping on Sunday and I saturday and there's a couple places where talks about how they gathered on the first first day away. That's right on the first day that we can get to see it a few places. So when people go hey

“Does it okay, so I know I need to take a day. That's how God's created the universe”

Does it matter which day? Honestly don't think it does you know like for instance I work I work pretty hard on Sunday And it's a Monday's my Sabbath and then last principle actually I'll get to principles later So that's how I would view it now pop pop and you give the postage stamp overview of the Sab the theological debate there is in saboterian views for sure. There's generally four main views actually

We have a graph it takes the absolute the next one. You don't even have to go to this Roto Weird I'm not doing like your paring I can be interpreted in different ways so that's why I took the word from the tongues episode Keep y'all let's keep y'all or the bear's one

All right, talk about Sabbath Oh, I just don't film turn you out right now talk about okay Unterms with the Sabbath let me you actually give reminder of background So you had the Jewish Sabbath, but it actually starts on Friday night So they're Sabbath begins at sundown on Friday

Ends at sundown on Saturday Christians began celebrating the Lord say more typically on sunday See a four main views one is called the seventh day view held by seven-day Adventists Which is the idea that hey you have to observe The Sabbath it is still mumbling

“I think you have to do it exactly you have to do it on Saturday is today where you cease from work”

And it's a day where you worship because part of this was Jewish people would also go to the synagogues on Saturday So that's the idea is hey, we don't go to synagogue. We go to church so you cease from work And you worship but specifically on Saturday Then there's a Christian sabbatarian view which these people would say hey it is still binding

So to your point this is a creation of order

We see this Sabbath the idea of God resting from us work on the seventh day and these people would point out wait a second

This is one of the 10 commandments and no one else for any of the other commandments We say well that's no longer binding. I guess I'm convertor anyone I want I can lie I have for I want I can have adultery I can cover it no like this there are going to be this isn't the one exception to that Can I give the devil's advocate please do obviously I'm a sabbatarian yeah, but the devil's advocate is If I understand correctly

Every one of the 10 commandments is re-stated in the new testament except the Sabbath

“Exit yes, that would be the devil's advocate. That's why you already see and that's the fun thing of doing this is”

There's back and forth for each and even just we've done this before but for theological triage This is truly a tertiary issue Yeah, dude if you're dividing certain life roots over this get a lot we get yeah, we can't say better myself And yes, they have Christian sabbatarian view the idea of hey it is still binding. It's a day of We worship and we cease from work but specifically that we do that on Sunday commemorating it

That was the day Jesus throws from the grave you then have a non-sabbatarian view

And this is also called the Lutheran view because basically this idea of hey the Sabbath was just for Israel

This is not binding on Christians whatsoever. Well Luther would say like I didn't like Marcinism or this Wait is Marcinism the one that's like hey the old testament is like completely yeah Is that that's what he's but yeah, this is a little bit different. This is basically Luther would say hey the law that law was Specifically for Israel Is nothing to do with us anymore although what Luther said was that was he going hey that's part of the civic the civil law and hey

We're no longer a nation exactly Okay exact, but he was also he was saying hey going to the 10 commandments. Hey, there's a deeper principle that we need to buy So what Luther said is hey the day of observance has gone so they had dobservant on a Saturday That's not binding on us nor do we have to observe on Sunday what's binding as he said hey The purpose of that commitment was the hearing of God's word

They hearing of God's word is what makes the day holy, but Luther would say hey that doesn't have to be on a Saturday or something

That can be any day the key thing is that you're frequently hearing the word of God

So these people say you do not have to observe the Sabbath. It's not binding the big thing is here God's word regularly There's a fourth view that's kind of close to that but it's what someone call a fulfillment view and that's the idea of hey The command was fulfilled and Christ he is your Sabbath rest meaning he did everything you could not do He kept the law perfectly. He died the death that you deserved to die. He rose from the graves that you could have life

“And so the key to obeying this commitment is actually to rest in him and the work he is already done for you”

You don't have to do it anymore. This is more of the fulfillment view first popularized by some Hebrews four yep Based on Hebrews four but all Christians keep it. Right. Yeah, but I think what they would say is that you no longer have you know or have to observe a specific day What this view would say is hey there are those some deeper principles around Being Christians are called the rest like practically rest and we're called the gathering worship So these people would say hey Christ fulfilled this ultimately where you're called to rest in him

But they're sore some basic principles like resting worship and hey practically speaking let's just do that on Sunday So they would say you don't have to do it on silly for example like Calvin held this view He said hey the biggest thing of this is actually resting in Christ But we're still called the rest and we're still called together hey Sunday's probably the best day But Calvin was say hey don't become word you've used a few times legalistic about it having to be that day

Let me just translate this, you know for you know if you're like me Well And you're like what do you mean what does it mean to rest in Christ? We didn't talk my bro what this means is Hebrews four would be your homework to read. Yes, and essentially what's gone is hey man

There's something that relaxes inside of you and you cease from moral striving. Yes You know that means a lot of people misses but in the Bible Adam and Eve's first full day of existence was rest not work And so God created it man on the sixth day and then Sabbath happened on the seventh day and so this is why some people would say that the Sabbath In Genesis is the first image of the gospel in the Bible and so it just mirrors basically like Adam and Eve Don't have to do anything to receive the love of God and the garden

They receive that first and then after they received it then they get to work in the same way Christians today We don't have to do anything. It's only by the grace of God that we receive his love is acceptance is salvation And because we have received that now we get to work. Amen and like with that Let me say something that people who are more in the fulfillment view take and then I want to say something that everyone shares a comment

I like whenever we do this I like to say here's what we all share in common

I think this will lead us into some of the practical tips around how to observe it The fulfillment view some people who have put it like this is that you are saved by works Just not yours. That's right You're saved by what Christ is done and so the key is is to believe in that have faith in rest and what Christ is done

“Not what you have to do, but one thing to highlight that all these views share in common is that they would all say hey”

We need to have time set apart during the week whether it's on a specific day or not We had to have time set apart where we have been designed by God to cease from our work and arrest and Where we have been designed to gather in to worship so all the views would say hey, whether it's or Karna This is a biblical thing for us to cease from work and arrest and Forgather and worship with God's people the debate is just on some of those details

Sorry let me get so basically what you're saying is like my the view that I described would be

Essentially the fulfillment view You're something like oh sorry I cut you off. No, that's it you sound kind of like me I'm a hybrid between Saptitarian and fulfillment that to me is kind of like a Ultimately I don't it doesn't have to be a specific day

But I am still called to rest and to worship with God's people and practically speaking It seems like we need to have a specific day or even in our case set a day Saturday and Sunday where that happens works here. It sounds like you're like me. We're kind of a hybrid between those two All right, let me give some practical stuff and then I'm asking each of you to fill in the gaps here on practical First of all what I found is that practice. I mean, we we go pretty hard

You know where we're building something billers doing something great. We go pretty hard

“What I figured out is when you learn and you have to learn by the way”

When you learn to Sabbath deeply it just it it changes it your whole week's different I'm just telling you man Legitimately the whole week's different when you Sabbath Like down to the toes of your soul So let me just say a few things that I've learned as a guy. I like to I like to work

I like what I do I You know, it's like I have to make myself stop because I like it. I like I like working. I like we're designed to work And we're there you go for that. There you go, man First let me give a couple of practical things number one. I'm just going to point this out the fourth command

It begins six days you shall work So you you can't bypass the six days you shall work and skip to the one day you shall rest So like you're not gonna be able to do the rest of the day if you didn't do the six work nice like you got a work hard to get it done I'll just gently say this I read that John Mark comber book Ruthless elimination of hurry a few years ago

Great book loved it was a legitimate really good But a lot of people read that book they don't need to read that book

And there's like it's like your 20 year old guy this like never actually done anything and is really worried about his mental health

When he's taking like four days off per week and playing 80 hours of video games and he's like I'm trying to ruthlessly eliminate I like bro you you're ruthlessly eliminating work is what you're doing So you got it you got to work in order to be able to rest let's just obviously start there to I'll just point this out what I've found for me in janna as we've really tried We take this serious I'm in like janna meal per meal gets that in a second what I've found is that

We think of it body soul spirit so trip our tape trip partite theological view of who we are Obviously body that's part of you can touch soul mind will and emotions spirit That's the part of me that relates to God Honestly if you do a good Sabbath you kind of got to think in all three so number one

“I'm doing stuff like this relaxing for me like honest man. That's why I like to fish if I'm a fish”

It's probably gonna be Monday. I'm a walk out of the pond. I like it. I like honestly man I used to it used to be kind of relaxing kind of over the lawn. You know we got a big old field now So I don't mess with that, but you know it's just like I take a bunch of walks. I just like being outside But like find stuff take naps I'll just point this out if you want to really really be like Jesus fish and take naps and be on boats. There you go

So one fine stuff you can rest your body

“Number two soul mind will on emotions. It's like just honestly dude just ask yourself the question”

What is it that replenishes me so like I'm gonna I'll literally wrote a list Here's the stuff that I figured out replenishes me fishing. I like driving my kids to school. I don't know what it is I like being on the car of my kids. I'm taking them school on Monday and I pick them up on Monday and it's like the it just it fills my cup Devices off I'll just say like I have learned my soul will not rest if my devices are on

I like being around fire pit. I hope I'm allowed to I think I'm allowed to say it's my podcast

But I like you know I've never been drunk in my life. I like a good bourbon on on Monday

If I can sit around a fire pit with one glass, there's a specific bourbon. I like it's just new to just something about it Relaxing to me and then I got this from a from Darren Patrick God rest his soul A preacher that was a good friend of mine that I'll listen to a long time ago. He told me to practice slowing on a Sabbath and it like I I intentionally walk and drive slower on Sabbath and it just does something to me It does and then last thing I'd say so body soul and then last thing I'd say is spirit

So I would just say this some people they just like take a day off and like all what that was a Sabbath Well, no, no, it says said it apart as holy unto the Lord. So I'm gonna again I don't want to sound class here But there's one one the illusion I read he called when people just take a day off and they don't worship or don't connect with God in their spirit He called it a bastard Sabbath. He said oh, you did a Sabbath without the father

“And it meant honestly it's like no, no, you're not getting what your soul needs”

If you don't do some things to like deeply Get in the Word of God get in prayer So I'll just tell you what I do and now once you get to fill in the the cracks here if you get any thoughts Is I got two preachers I'll listen to Joby Martin and John Tyson every preaching is a preacher

I'll listen to one of them in the morning with my bubble on my lap. I'll listen to their warm warm work now It's relaxing for me to work out so work out. I'm gonna and I do that. I get my personal bubble reading in and I take a prayer wall But I gotta have something that is like hey, man. I'm like connecting with my father Because the purpose of the Sabbath is to connect with my father. That's why Christians worship We worship on our Sabbath. Amen. Okay, so that's why I do you guys got any just super practical business

“What's got sure? I think uh one helpful. I think for for people that maybe are wired more like you know like me or are you Josh?”

Like you know, it's not a sometimes we it's easy to just keep going and you know It's not so easy to necessarily stop. I think uh this has helped me in the past when we practice Sabbath We mimic God in order to remind ourselves that we are not God And so we mimic God in the sense of you know God rest it. So if God rest if the creator of the universe rest it Who are you not to rest and then when we do so we remind ourselves we are not God and and that just tells you hey

Like the world keeps going without you. That's okay for you can take one they out of your whole week to take a break I think and so for me the way I see Sabbath is my quantum quote my opposite day So whatever I do the rest of the week. I do the opposite on Sabbath and so like my job, you know People will know is literally social media news nonstop podcasting all the things on my Sabbath I literally take a full day where I do not intentionally do not go on social media

So I don't do YouTube. I don't do Facebook. I don't do Instagram. I don't check notifications and that is uh And I have to literally stop myself because I have such an inertia towards it And then after a full day my soul legitimately feels refreshed which is exactly what people try to do when they hit

Refresh Refresh Refresh Refresh and their soul is never refreshed according Pastor Josh vintage

22 the way I got that from Steam for it. I like it. It's your quote and make what it's all there you go And so on my Sabbath What we're going to say So anyways on my Sabbath. I intentionally disconnect from technology as much as I can so that I can Intentionally connect with my father that's just that's John chapter 15 by the way and then and then you know

Similar to you again start my morning. I want to make that day as fun as I want to disciple my family to Understand that the Sabbath means fun joy and the presence and the word of God and so we want to do fun things We do we do again opposite day. I'm we try to you'd healthy generally speaking Sabbath. I do sugary breakfast pancakes I scream later all the things

Basically it's my you know, basically when you're going to play and you hit airplane mode

Good just briefing I to remind people it says that the Sabbath was made for man not main for the Sabbath

Another is for a benefit what often point out with this topic is that hey what benefits you and you may not Benefit me we're all wired a little bit differently so usually the way I took approach this is To kind of frame it around questions and it's similar to even time the topics that you were hitting so I just wrote down Three questions, bro one what renews my body so for some people that's going to be more Slowing down and taking naps, but for others that might be actually being more active

So when we were in Washington state my wife after teaching Kids for a whole week at elementary school she needed a nap she needed to get away from people, but you know what I needed I needed to get in the mountains alone and just hike and being nature and I would hike ten miles

“I'd go hunting in the mountains and that's what restore me so I'm going what renews my body number two”

What restores my soul or an increase and they would be spared as well. So when I say that I mean like my like my mental My emotional and my spirits of state. Hey what renews that for you so for some people that's painting for some people That's journaling for some people it's being out nature boat whatever that is for you like find it and then do it and then finally who are what receives my worship? Something is going to receive my worship on my my Sabbath day because something's going to receive my time

And my energy and I'm saying this is worthy of my worship and while all those other things are amazing at the end of the day

I don't want my god to take a back seat to my garden or to my lawn or to anything else I want god to receive my worship so I need to make sure and carve out space We're gonna I'm gathering with the people of god and worshiping god in spirit and in truth and so with that A specific thing in terms of church attendance. Not just about that because it can also be personal Bible study and prayer and things like that I've just learned Sunday morning worship attendance is a Saturday evening decision. There you go

Saturday morning worship is a Saturday. I mean Sunday morning worship is a Saturday evening decision or if it's Saturday night Shout out Dean and Sarah. That's right. That's right. That's right. Yes, I see the original Yeah, you see the original or if it's Saturday evening where you come which by the way When you meet more people to come to that that would be a Saturday morning decision the point is is like hey at the end of the day You're gonna fill your time up with something make sure

on the front end of your weekend to intentionally carve that out and set that aside So if I was gonna give people an assignment it would be just to sit down and answer those questions for you

“Of what would benefit you what would renew your mind body? What would restore your soul and then what is going to receive your worship on a weekend?”

That's amazing y'all Last what let me say one thing and then we're gonna Get ready for one of the most interesting conversations. I have literally had ever had in my life Would David Nasser about everything going on Iran It's interesting that the fourth commandment. It doesn't just talk about you. It's like hey you your kids

Your mail servants your female servants all the people around you. So it's specifically mentioned in the community Actually you guys have been to some of these one of the things me and Janidoo is we call them week at our house We call them Sabbath meals, but we'll invite a bunch of Christian friends over and it you guys have been and hung out And we we can't we order and food so when I've got to do any work And it's a bunch of people we like that also love Jesus. They come over all their kids come over the house

It's a it's a it's a joyous chaos and then you guys have been we have we hang out

“We sit on rock and chairs on the reports. We talk about life ministry and sports and whatever and then we all eat and then we do this thing at the end”

I encourage you to just make with your life group a bunch of dude you like whoever it is and then at the end

Whenever dessert comes we always do the same thing we get dessert and then not just us

But with all the kids sitting around We'll go around and everybody tells like hey do what's the Jesus story you got man what's the light? Who'd you hear about God did something in their life for your life And here's the hack on this A we're reminding ourselves about the goodness the father The parenting hack is all of our kids are growing up watching their dads and then their dads friends

Talk about Jesus and I'm just telling you like that's a cheat code. It's a cheat code of all cheat codes When you're trying to raise kids it love Jesus because what that does is if any of our kids some day They want to walk away from the faith. They don't just got to walk away from Paul and you're allies that or they you can believe that up You don't do they don't just got to walk away from Carlos They got to walk away from you and all the adults that they thought were the coolest people in the whole world

When they were growing up and Uncle Josh who was my prayer partner when I turned 13 and we turned into a text prayer partner friends And it I'm just telling you it's cheat code and all cheat codes on Christian parenting So strongly encouraged something like that. That's good man We have David Nasser coming up in just a minute stay tuned All right, live free nation. Listen up. This is one of our favorite weekends of the year March

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“There's no way you're gonna remember this because I was in college my freshman year in college”

Yeah, you preached a disciple now come on at two rivers battles shirts. Yeah Was that your home church that was not my home church? Okay. I was a leader at that disciple now. Okay Like a small group leader. Yes. Yeah. I still use this as a sermon I use you as a sermon illustration. This is good about it. It's good about once a year Dude, dude, you preach. I had literally never heard up a pastor you preached a John 316 sermon

Yeah, at the end of the sermon. This was on Sunday morning. Yeah, you did a an altar It was a one of the best altar altar calls have ever heard there was a Deacon in his 90s from two rivers Baptist Church sitting in the pew in front of me that stood up in a three-piece suit when you did that altar call walked down and I watched you embrace that man and play with him to receive Christ

That's amazing dude. I've never forgotten either. It's my life. I actually remember it

See really yeah because it's so unusual to see Someone who is a senior citizen like you see a lot of seniors in high school But to see a senior citizen say man. I know a lot. I remember That elderly man like literally saying like I know more Bible than you I just don't know him, you know And just for someone at that age to be still tender

To God's calling. That's heroic. Yeah, you know. Yeah, so you were there. I was there I could barely any facial hair no Pew-bessant

Hey before we move on, I guess first of all I got to say man like well done, bro

Good in faithful servant. What guys dude? I just share you on and everyone on your team

“Carlos everyone with God's dealing right now is special. Do you know what you're stewarding it?”

I think with humility and grace, but yet with like a focus on like this is why we do it This is what we're gonna stay on I'm just grateful for you and When I was at Liberty University as campus pastor I brought you in a new convocation and it was It was a highlight for our students and you came at a moment where we we couldn't all gather

So like everyone's sitting indoors like 25 people dimming enormous. Yes, but everyone's watching and dorms And that's a real uphill battle like for a communicator But it just yielded such great fruit cuz man God just has an annoying on your life man. So I love you, buddy I'm on your I'm in your corner and Just grateful for you. So yeah, that's really mutual. Yeah, let's talk let's talk you run

Okay, so like dude. I'm super interested in this and I'm a future of the straight until just before we start a recording I'm the dumb American kid. So like with all this stuff going on in Iran There's all these assumptions that I had about what is and isn't going on over there Yeah, I'm realizing like oh, dude. I don't I don't got a clue what's going on over there. So really quite less start here To keep give a little bit of your background and story and that obviously will dovetail until why you are here to talk about Iran

Yeah, so obviously I'm I'm Persian I'm Iranian and I'm an American citizen by paperwork But I was born in Iran in the 1979 when the I told a Khomeini and his religious cellets took over the nation of Iran when the Iranian Revolution happened my dad was high ranked in the military in Iran and so I remember those days like for me For my seat in the stance Josh it was Something is happening our world is turning upside down

But I was just a nine-year-old kid playing with my legos, you know, and I live in an army base With some of the other high-ranking folks in our base and I remember about we can have two weeks into the revolution Literally going to school. I went to a military school in our army base and we got to school and they called us Out behind the school for an assembly like we didn't have a gym to meet in but get out in this field and a soldier was standing in front of the whole school Took out a piece of paper said the name of three students mind me the first one and ask us to make our way to the front

And I made my way to the front and I remember he took a gun out of a holster put it in my head and with his hands shaking He just kind of started to cut the Quran and he said that he's been sent to make an example of

“Us I've never heard this before. Yeah, man. And so I'm confess as a nine-year-old kid. You're like, what's going on?”

But I remember thinking this guy looks scared So now I was an adult. I'm really like he looks scared enough to actually

I didn't these troned and in that moment everybody who was anybody was no longer and nobody and all these other people were rising up And they were using terror they were using fear That's the greatest weapon of a terrorism of a terror a terrorist like to instill fear in the life of people So they won't rise up against you and they had decided because of whom my father was They were gonna make an example out of me, right and so the school principal got between me and the gun and said

“Please come back another day and I don't understand that and I remember I never made it to class”

They took me in a car back home and my dad got home immediately

I guess somebody had told him what had happened and that's the first time Josh where I remember my dad who's like a bit of an alpha

You know what I mean like this guy was a giant military man tough that's the first time I saw him he's just weeping and he sat me on his lap and that's when he told me The government has been overthrown and You're not going back to school They're making an example out of us, but we're gonna get out of here

I just remember this yeah, this is right in the middle of all that and so for the next couple of days I saw my parents kind of hub up in the corner and they're kind of conspiring on how they can get out As fast as they can to take our family out of out of this harm's way and then man I remember before we could implement the skate plant soldiers coming in my home and dragging my dad

Of our home and I remember I say dragging my mom had her hands around the leg of one of the soldiers and as they're dragging my dad out of the house

“She's just screaming just let him die quickly just let him die quickly and I just remember as a little kid like you're trying to process this”

You're like what's happening and it took my dad out of the home and my mom was in the front and I My sister and I we ran up to the front and we sat there and in the front with my mom and she said let's pray

That's my first memory ever of prayer and she

This is this is gonna do till it's on the second when she's saying less pray is this and Islamic family Yeah, she I muslim Yeah, but we're very westernized version of it. I'm mom's not wearing a chador You know, we're not like we're kind of I would call like Easter Christians We're kind of she we're culturally

Muslims, but so my mom says let's pray and I remember All she kept saying over and over again in the prayer was the same thing she's crying and she just kept saying let him die quickly Let him die quickly So she says amen and my sister says why are we saying that and she said look they're taking your dad to this park This is the same park where

They took his friend yesterday and they tied him to a tree to take a pair of pliers and torture them

And we need to pray that your dad's not tortured. He's just killed quick. So when you're nine

Bro and you're praying that yeah The last thing you're thinking is God loves me and has a wonderful plan for my life

“So I remember being a nine-year-old kid and thinking I don't know what we've done”

to make God so mad But apparently he's mad and he's gonna after me and my family I know most nine-year-olds don't think stuff like this. I know most nine-year-olds don't wake up and think I hate God That was nine when I decided I hated God You know most nine-year-olds think stuff like I don't know should I just pray on or whatever, but I was nine and I was like

He started it You know and That afternoon my dad wasn't killed he came home. He said they'd give me a few more weeks and so we planned our escape And our escape plan was to Leverage my mom's heart issues that she'd been having as a way out

So even to these doctors we cut a deal with them and the deal was that they would help us escape from me We're on and exchange we'd give them our home our cars our clothes and everything that we owned and so Locking load about a week later my mom acted like her heart was bothering her. It was all Saved ambulance came and got her to ticker in this back room and a hospital They came out and said she needs bypass surgery

We don't have the technology for what she needs and she needs to go immediately to Switzerland and the family needs to go for support And so all this was fake. We got two-way airline tickets like we were going and coming back and the house sitter But we weren't coming back we're running for our lives And I remember holding my dad's hand in the airport man in this hands is shaking and he's saying if they find out we're escaping They're gonna kill us right here on the spot but

When you're nine and you think God is harming you That's the view you've got as a kid We got to get I thought we're getting away from God But I look back now and I can see God wasn't hurting us. He was holding us

I love Isaiah 41 nine, you know, and 10 where says I took you from the ends of the earth It was far this corners I called you and I said do not fear I am with you I will help you and I will hold you in my right just right hand and so so often We think we're getting his wrath to left But we're really getting his right just right and so man we get on the plane we go up in the air

We land and instead of the hospital we say hey all this was fake and we go to the American Consulate and we apply for political asylum in Switzerland. Yeah, which is a fancy way of saying

But at that time bro nobody was allowing people from my neck of the woods into your neck of the woods because I was from the wrong place at the wrong time

I'm from Iran people are turning the TV on there's a revolution going on They're burning the American fly calling America the great Satan who's the president now in 79 Do you know 79 the king King Palavi had been overthrown and I atola had been brought out of exile in and all of a sudden It had become a it had gone from a monarchy to a you know Yeah, and so and all of a sudden it's a theocracy and they are taking over

It's the very beginnings of that moment, right and the middle of all of that They've held 55 Americans hostage in the American and the senior on And the importance of that in my narrative is that When the American hostage has got taken bro all of a sudden this wasn't something that people watched on TV

It was happening across a notion all of a sudden it was like this is our people and so every day on the news back when people watched the news

There was no internet Dan rather Walter I mean people are crossing every day every day. They 54 the American hostage situation They 62 of the American hostage was that I thought a reason wasn't that like part of the reason that it tanks like Jimmy Carter's Re-election bid or something like that man, bro, you know, I mean I read I had president Carter as a guest at liberty. He did our baccalaureate

It's surreal to sit across from him in my office and just go President Carter we we've got about 12 minutes until nothing happens Can you give me your view what happened? And I cannot share on a podcast where he said but he again you asked 20 people what happened

And they're going to give you 20 different views of what they think happened

“All right, I had her up to you for him. He was coming up on an election intent and it's like do we go want to give him a win?”

So he thought yeah Some patriots weren't very patriots. Anyway, so all that to say like it was complicated but for me as a kid We're in we're in Europe trying to just get here and we're from the wrong place at the wrong time, right? And so for nine months we tried legally we tried illegally we could we could we moved from Switzerland to Munich Germany because we were told that's where people are most sympathetic to a cause like ours

and then man My mom got us together one day nine months into just being you know in exile like being in Europe waiting and she showed us a picture of a white man kind of a handsome duck dynasty looking fell out. She was like he doesn't know what this is And one of the Robertson. Yeah, and she was like well

We've kind of exhausted all our evidence. She was like this is Jesus and he's American and we need to ask him Let us in his country Are you serious? Some of your listeners are probably not laughing they're like why's that funny? Because they literally think Jesus is a white Republican who's going to be on Hannity tonight They don't realize he's actually more originally from mine that could be the woods

Yeah, he's more camel dynasty than duck. So anyway, so we don't know that and God's bigger than geography and theology We close our eyes more like Jesus led us into your country and man A week after we mentioned the name of Jesus he opened the doors for us. We could know for ourselves Jesus and so man we're coming to America all of a sudden and I'm thinking I hate religion But hey Jesus thanks for listening. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, and you know

We do this is gonna this is gonna make more sense to you guys because you're right here in rock wall Texas We don't move to erangelists like the rest of them. We don't move to New York We move to Colleen Texas

“You're really because my dad had taken flight training at Fort Hood. So can you imagine that?”

during the Iran hostage situation while Iran is the enemy We move to patriotic Texas to the largest army base in the world military town from Iran I mean I am a wedgie Waiting to happen. You know I come in wrong haircut. I'm like hello. I am David. They're like you are so gonna get beat up today after school And I'm getting every nick man. I'm getting called being dip and I'm not even Mexican

I'm like you're not even accurate in your racism and we we also Discaped we have escaped from one place That's dangerous to hold other places dangerous yeah, and I sometimes I like to paint it this way like we exchange one kind of terrorism for another And the other one was the emotional right where like and the weapon of mass destruction on emotional

Terrorism is not like the mean things people call you. It's when you're not even worthy of being bullied

“I remember being in America and thinking if this is”

Refugee this doesn't feel like safe. This doesn't feel refuge. I remember seeing 15 birthday party imitations go out when there were 16 kids in the classroom when I knew I was like Going to the skateboarding to eat a square cake like and so

By this time we moved to Alabama and and my dad heard me crying in my bedroom

“And he came in and said we're strong and I told him I said that it's it's gone well for you because like by this time”

He'd learn how to like hustle and do good for himself in America, but I said look I'm the outcasted kid. I'm not even getting bullied by the bully I'm getting I'm getting bullied by the kid is getting bullied by the bully and in the food chain and my dad Feel sorry for me, and that's the day the day before my freshman year in high school Josh where my dad Try to fix it, but actually he meant well, but he broke it even more. He took me to the mall

Got me new clothes new haircut new shoes everything and just to try to help me Simulate and those are the years where I went to high school and I look different I call it geek to chic, you know and so I'm dual to Julio, you know I walked in and

Men those are the years of my life where there's a bonfire of vanities

You know it says it says the scripture Do not conform with the patterns of the swirl that be transformed by the reunion give your mind Tell that to a kid is really lonely He's like I'm already not conforming. I will I will do whatever to conform even if it's fabricated friendships Because I just don't want to be alone and my high school years became those years

I learned how to dump the right girl before she could dump me I learned how to be cold to people to be perceived this cool to people

“It's such a way where it says a scripture what good is it for a man to gain the whole world?”

But the forfeit is so and I sold out so I graduated from high school popular But completely emotionally bankrupt nobody would have seen me as a muslim I was just this kid who partied a lot and and they knew I was like she I muslim by heritage and one night after high school I was smoking weed with a body of mine and While we were smoking weed he invited me to church

I wish he was there but that's the South. Yep. There you go. Yep, and I told him there's no way I was gonna go and he said why and I turned down the music while we're finishing the joint and I said I hate I hate God I'm Muslim by heritage, but I saw religion gone wrong and they run and I want to have nothing to do with them and he kept telling me that He told me the five prettiest girls from high school were gonna be there so I felt kind of motivated so on a Saturday night

This is my favorite part of my story all right on a Saturday night. I I go into house and know my dad's gonna say no, but I'm trying to get my buddy off my back I've got a stone

“I walked down the hallway and I'm not got my parents bedroom door and I said mom and dad. It's midnight”

I'm home. I'm safe. I know you're gonna say no. Just say no a lot enough So you'll so my friend leave me alone because he's standing at the door like listening to see if I'm gonna Actually ask I can go with him tomorrow to church and Instead of saying no, I thought my dad's gonna give a quick no My dad yells from his bed

What is the name of it? He's asking the name of the church and what I didn't know Was that I'm standing there on that Saturday night with two weeks prior to that Saturday night Josh There were these people From this church shades mountain Baptist church down the street from my home That had come to my dad's restaurant to eat kind of Aubrey Edwards had brought a few people to eat while they were eating at my dad's restaurant

They'd see how my dad was shorthanded on weight staff and instead of complaining about the bad service They rolled up their sleeves and waited on tables on my desk restaurant then they went back to the next day and did it again Let's go in back to the next day and did it again and then at the end of like you know Ludged rush Aubrey Edwards invited my dad the choir practice and because kindness is a super problem

My dad went to choir practice by the way. We're not the kind of family where we downloaded dinner like none of this we don't know any this And for for at the end of choir practice Aubrey put a piece of paper out into the choir and people signed up To to work for free no as shifts for bus boys and waiters of my dad's restaurant to help him So God and his sovereignty had used that to tenderize my dad's heart fast forward two weeks later I'm asking if I can go to church instead of saying no he was what he's the name of it and then

My buddy yells out the name shades and it's the same one as the people. I mean I don't make you tell them so happens. Yeah, and so my dad goes I know those people you can go there And so my story is about a church Who was about to believeers who were believable much of Christians who were Christ's life

a couple months ago, man. I was at an Orlando at a church in between the second and the third service I've told my story this lady came up. She's a grandma. I could talk because she had care to the grandkids were saying grandma grandma Gigi that they were calling her and she walked up kind of tear out and she said hey

When I was at college. I've never been at choir practice one night and I signed up. I was a waitress at your dad's restaurant for a couple of weeks

Wow, we're standing there and I'm like it's your fault. I'm here You know and so the hero my story is not me That's amazing hero my story is not a pastor who had a polished up message or a worship leader who just kind of like

With a mop in his hand and my dad's right now with my come on and so I got to go to church I went to church. I mean and they saw the 1040 window coming to them dude and for eight Monday nights They came to my house and shared the gospel with me. I had this thing called visitation Remember and then one night I got saved and then I got saved my parents We're not happy

And then I got baptized my parents the soul me and kicked me out of the house and five months after I moved in with these guys that all lived in a one bit of apartment with me my Sister became a Christian and then five months after that my my mother became a Christian and then five months after My brother Benjamin who's Fearfully and wonderfully made downstairs and became a Christian and then two and a half years later my dad got saved

And so I'm telling all that and I know you you want to kind of talk maybe you're on and what's going on right now, but from my journey Religion broke our lives broke the back of everything we held certain And God works all things for the good of his purpose right and we came to America looking for the American dream But we actually found something so much bigger like I'm a patriot as you can tell this country has been

“Very good to me like you got to go through me if you're gonna bash this nation. It's the best thing going”

I I really believe that but America makes a great God, but a horrible I mean I make America makes a great nation but a horrible God and I as much as I love this country What I love the most isn't what it's afforded me in the land of opportunity but the freedom by which I came to Christ here that's right and my family found redemption here and so That journey for me is is is real this week because

As much as we are a bit of the American dream we always held the second dream bro and the second dream was that

That we would see our people we that we left the behind our family our friends Be able to be afforded the liberty that we were given yeah and then this week Yeah, all of a sudden it feels like they might be liberated This is the week where my tip Which would be decades worth of answer prayers. So 47 years ago

“I mean long time coming well what's interesting is like honestly it's like your story is like a microcosm”

What's happening with the nation so it's like you got this intersection of geopolitics and cultural issues and the sovereignty of God and they advanced the gospel and that so I want to talk about that Because there's more going on than just the geopolitics. There's some very spiritual There's a very very we're going to talk about this here. It's actually things that I don't think most

American Christians understand so first of all, can you help

Can you help us understand some stuff that goes into what we're seeing with the the Iranian church and Some things like this so let me show you some things real quick that I'm in the dumb American kid There's some stuff this week that I was watching it. I was like, bro that makes no sense to me So let me show you some stuff that made no sense to me. All right, so we obviously strike Iran and what's how do you pronounce it guys name? I don't want the the the leader

Come any so many hominy was the one who came in when we were there and then when he dot Come any came in yeah, so it's him and it was like 30 of the top leaders from understand it correctly

“That all guy hit okay, so then that's what that's why I read okay, so then you see this and this is obviously”

You can go play this This is video any Ron That's right Yeah, there's going up like so great. Just jubilee. Yeah, they're so great So first one I'm seeing this and I like bro that makes no sense to me at all. So this just jubilee

Celebrating yeah, I'm gonna get to this and yeah, yeah, I'm like so okay. See this then I start seeing stuff like this show that picture It's like this, you know, thank you Trump from the Iranian people Iranian people all this stuff and dude I'm like that makes no Since me because don't wow, I didn't know what dumb American. I'm gonna wait didn't we just attack your country You see, I'm saying yeah, so like I'm to you know, try to back up to idiots like me

And help help us understand Well, and actually and then show the last one so here there was a picture of contrast So you have the Iranian people celebrating no no do the one on the right the one on the right is the one I want

So then this is New York's never one of the people yeah

So then you have American protesting yeah hands-offer Ron has other Ron So this is a protest in your seat so so help help help me I haven't seen that yeah, so people in Iran are saying They're theory and the people in America are like oh bad. Yeah Dance off your mind so help me understand like dumb American kid. Yeah, okay It seems like America just attack your country why are the Iranian people celebrating us quote unquote attacking the country help us understand

Yeah, well, they're 90 million Iranians and so as 90 million have them you're gonna get very different answers. However the overwhelming sentiment

This is what we've been wanting for our people all the way from the the actual people inside

Who are at the most been oppressed for for all of these years the overwhelming sentiment is gratitude towards America and towards the people that we're so grateful for true You know Allegiance I mean true through allies who would step into help us

It's almost like you gotta understand the Iranian spirit the Iranian people were gonna do this on their own Good, it was gonna give that 40,000 if not more Iranians were killed in the last few months pushing up against these people right wanting these tyrants gone and and and So all that's happening but it's almost like the this is a simplification of it But it's almost like you're tasked to cut a two acre lot and you got your rusty more

And then you next door neighbor says hey I don't run more you're like come on help me Like the Iranian people were saying look they've got guns. We don't have guns They've got tanks we don't have tanks they they shut down our internet we can't communicate and so when friendly A lot a legion friendly allies come in help you what happens is this is there the Iranian people's Good fight at the end of the day to fight, but it's good to get help

So that's and so the gratitude shown by people in Iran and by people all around the world who know what's happening is Thank you that you're grabbing the rope with us and pulling in the right direction

I would say I'm not thought about it. I just saw this for the first time. I would say to the people in America

That are yelling aren't you glad that you've been afforded the freedom to say whatever you want Because the people on Iran It took this time, you know when they do that that's exactly right and so I'm glad that you have the luxury To I don't know that look like Soros money to me, but like let's say it's not I don't care like whatever it is Aren't you glad that you have that freedom to express your your opinion and not have somebody over your shoulder

In presenting you beating you torturing you murdering you because you have an opinion that doesn't go Well with what they think so what you're helping me understand make sure correct me if I'm saying this right yeah It's like if somebody took out the top 30 liters in America like we would feel like bro You just attacked us that's right and then because there's like a him and so like note note like well In general people would not be cheering yeah, if some of but what you're saying is hey man

The there is a massive radical disconnect between the general populace of Iran and the dictatorial leadership of Iran

“That's what you're saying if four bad guys came into your home”

And held your family hostage okay and somebody with a sniper gun Took out two of the bad guys. I'm not like hey, why do you shoot someone in my house? I'd be like thank you so much Now like so that's the sentiment Now that said you gotta you gotta understand the Iranian people and again I'm speaking collectively for nice over some of course. They have the heart of a lion they can take that lion off the flag

But they ain't taking it off the spirit of the especially the women in Iran they are a ruthless. They are lionesses I've seen some videos Bro, then they know yoga And you gotta say so this was gonna happen but now it's happening faster now it's like that's why you're hearing Thank you, President Trump. You know and I think in years to come

It'll be we'll see we'll see I could be wrong. What do I know? I'm just some short dude living in out in Tennessee

“But I think in years to come we'll look at this moment in the Iranian history and I think you'll see this as a moment where”

There will be there will be statue that I think in years to come this will be a great moment of Alliance between them there will be so much gratitude shown Because the three feelings I had that day when I've seen all this go down is I'm terrified for my family I want swift justice minimize so what I want the least amount I've got a cousin who has got MS in Iran She has no electricity she's she's already not healthy. You know, so how do we get her

Out of this tyrant grip right? So I'm terrified for them. I'm exhilaratingly saying this is what we've been praying for and I also feel gratitude

For the people that are coming to help us. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah. Okay, so like

Let me just and if you don't got anything to say to this that's fine But I think there's factions in American politics that'll like him and they're they're looking at our administration They're gonna like him and by the way, this is not you know this this Conversation is not a commercial for the administration. Yeah, I'm just trying to verbalize something

“So like I think there's a lot of people who are like oh man this administration just needs to stay out of any conflict in any”

Iran what's this got to what's this have to do with us at all you guys are fighting you know this kind of language you're fighting these roles wars for them What what do you say to that? Yeah, I think

I'd like to see the do well and I know I'm world racial so that matters. Yeah, I think Haliburton stocks gonna do really well if we go to war

“I think the banking stuff is I get I get all the stuff that people say and I don't pretend to know all of it”

And I don't think anyone is pure in their incredible motives in all of this there's machismo and this and

But look, man, I think Many people have the luxury of saying why are we they're saying that's unnecessary intervention when they're not aware that If you ask the people in Iran they would say we feel like this was a very Necessary intervention and I would even take a further and say not just necessary intervention as it relates to the people in Iran

Getting a transfer liberation But necessary intervention for my kids and my grand babies in Tennessee your family here in Texas because What people in our sometimes forget is For 47 years Iran has been waging war against America. Yes, right? That's death to America

Yeah, they've shown the policy state of politics. Yeah, we always say when somebody keeps yelling death to America

Are you gonna start believing and so for 47 years? Whether it was the hostages whether it was September 11th in the way they funded Right the Taliban whether it was Hezbollah whether it was the bombing in Bay Route where over 200 Innocent Americans were murdered and they funded that whether it's and so for 47 years Iran has been waging war against this nation And so a safer Iran is not just a safer Iran is a safer

Tennessee that's interesting and so at what point are we gonna look at this and say this isn't us waging war This is us actually stopping the inevitable And so when when a nation who's been told Look You're saying you're just enriching uranium

For power so the people get their lights on nobody but that and then literally literally You gotta say it's offers Let's get out our calculator and see how much energy that is supposed to produce We will in perpetuity this is what America offered we will in perpetuity give you that power It's like we called our boss. Yeah, we called them and they were like no, thank you

At what point yeah Do people get their head out of the sand yeah pun intended and and I don't know me and go come on man like and that's up so I don't understand why somebody would say why are we going over there and fight in the fight that's not our own These people want you dead these people want you unsafe these people want to destroy your life And they will do everything and anything to do that and so

Why would we not proactively Minimize now that said I don't think this is gonna turn it I hope not I pray not I don't think this is gonna be Afghanistan

“I don't think this is gonna be sure Vietnam I think America's I think President Trump's made a very clear”

Our job for a lack of better terms is some air war. That's right the ground war. This is your good fight Yes, that's right. Yeah, and so we're gonna we're gonna prime the pump and hopefully you'll go fight the good fight So I think my prayer is that this doesn't turn into something more I'm also not so naive is to think that people won't benefit if it turns into a war I'm also not so if my evil to think that we got midterms coming on and maybe some people don't want this to be a win for Trump

And also I'm not so naive is to think that all the people that are into this are doing it for the purest thing of Liberating a people it's complicated. Yeah, it's complicated and but in the midst of all this Complication all this chatter and people's opinions who don't know You think because your text speed and what's going on? You know because you know America's just turned into team Candice versus team Erica team this for like

You don't know I don't know we don't know but here's what it's it's in the middle of all this

It's fine to have that dialogue and to seek understanding. I'm not telling you not to Christians need to Walk into that and understand as long as we understand these things. We don't know for sure What do we do know That we know that we know that we know that we know above the sun the solaments under the sun above the sun What do we do know is that right now

What has been stubbed behind the wall in Iran?

“What has been primed already is the single fastest growing church in the world? I want to do this the secret church in Iran”

Who could literally see this moment? be where if If theocracy becomes of democracy they no longer have to be the secret church so they can rise up

Okay, I want to get it because that's that's what a lot honestly. I didn't know this I didn't know this little very recently that there's like a massive spiritual awakening happening in Iran So so let me let me let's go into to some of this real quick So like again, I'm back and up to dumb dumb American kid real quick So like I started seeing stuff like this going put that picture up. This made no sense me. I'm the dumb American kid

Yeah, I always thought oh yeah, I would hear Iran and I was just saying oh there's all Muslims over

Yeah, and then if you're just listening you're not at YouTube. It's like I started seeing these signs Yeah, or apparently like becoming a thing Yeah, so if you if you can't see it it says I am not Muslim. I am Persian. I hate Islam. Okay, so yeah, so So help me understand. I just always thought oh do they're all Muslims over there talk talk real quick Before we talk about the growth of the growth of the the underground church there talk talk real quick

About the the religious and spiritual dynamics over there. Well, let me just kind of ask it this way

“Like how how was religion working out for you like that that's what people found out like so”

The revolution happens 47 years ago and imagine the majority of the overwhelming majority of that nation weren't even alive when that revolution happens, right? So to them all they've known are sanctions and

oppression and you know they've got all the same problems we got and so except

you know highly oppressed nation, right in poverty and and heroin addiction and If you struggle with same sex attraction you can't even Talk to someone about it or whatever, you know like they're out of two days like we had seven

Gay people we killed them we have no more problem. You know like that's so you know what I mean like so that's That's the level by which a human being who's going I don't even know who to talk to you What what's going on so Iran has been so under oppression for so long so I would say most Young people in Iran are not devout Muslims they're actually just the distaste that they have for

That regime and they're kind of secular okay see I didn't know that I didn't know you can't speak for everybody again

each their own but I would say a lot of them are that so But the leadership was Aggressively Islamic correct yes and officially as of this minute they still are okay still there like we have an officially Lord willing we'll be able to see in the democracy but but yes they are again like in America We have a separation of church in state. That's not a thing. That's not there. That's right

The church is not church. You know the church is the governance so it's like it's not Islam is not just a religion it's an ideology and it's actually governance that's exactly right and not a fact Islam is about 1400 years old it started with one it started in one nation Saudi Arabia Today it is 47 nations yeah and let me just tell this in for free and they want more nations of course You don't think there the words that are coming that you don't think every mosque every like they they have a strategy

By the way I don't blame someone for having a strategy we these Christians have a strategy to event The difference between us is we are in Carnational They are like we take over yeah we we make it the law This is what you're supposed to do. That's exactly right and so the people of Iran in this moment Josh

“I think have a real distaste and I'm speaking in broadly again people are going to probably email”

But that's not how I feel sure but overwhelmingly they have a real distaste for religion Matter of fact that's like think about this sentence Some of the most troubled places in the world are some of the most religious So the people in Iran in one of the most religious regions in the entire world are They're so done with religion but they're so open to redemption all right. Let's talk about that. Oh talk about that

So I do here's some other stuff like blew my mind So go to that next video training. So Let's play this you You tell people what we're seeing real quick I do badly but yeah

I'm singing way maker

“So these are Iranian Christians that's what they're singing the same way maker”

Okay, so this is right after the strikes so this is in Iranian versus church By the way, I just like wept I legit like what I saw this I like we'll wept My desk so then this is a gospel coalition article from a few years ago So I'm catching people are listening up to the so the story of Iran's church in two sentences and then I won't read this whole article Obviously but like here's one hour. It's great. Yeah, so this oh Mark Howard's great. I have a memoir

So this is a picture of an Iranian Christian baptism service under round sure Sarah and then here's I'm gonna read one quote from this article More Iranians have become Christians in the last 20 years Dude, I get emotional read this Then in the previous 13 centuries combined. Oh my gosh. Okay, so let me ask this question

What do you tell you tell us give us a post to stamp version what's going on with Iranian or the Christian church in Iran man The church in Iran

“Again, it's we know it to be our friends at open door voice of the martyrs people who who in the trenches”

Empowering the church advocating for the church convoy pope great organizations that no one knows for sure because it's an underground church like you guys have a Database and an app for your if you can tell like you somebody's telling you this many people came on a Sunday These are underground. There's no on purpose. There's no networking. There's no paper. There's no Excel sheet

We believe conservatively conservatively five million out of having a total population 90 million

That's a lot bro. That's a good person. We believe the actual number might be up to nine to ten million Believers are right now and and most of them young converts most of them thriving and What God is doing there is the ultimate the ultimate operation fury force or whatever What he's been doing is not like we're doing the air war. He's been in the ground war and he got no reason to come back and so God has already got his church Primed there so think about this what if what if

While I got y'all just put you on record here what if lake point One of the greatest churches in the world right now. I like to sign you on the title line Is it the omega

“What if in three years? What if in five months? What if whatever that moment is?”

What if your church said hey listen? We have brothers and sisters. We with the church in Iran needs to have the global trust. We are gonna partner with a city in Iran and we're gonna equip them to do the work of ministry And so what if the church in Iran in the next few weeks because think about Do you remember you realize the trauma of the bombings and the torture and the hurt like every one of these women Courageous women and what's but they've been the tip of the spear so do you real so what if the church in Iran

became the number one counseling arm To help people through Christ what if the celebrate recovery became a biblical way to do Addiction look at what if we help people with marriages what if

People are cutting up their credit call getting their first one ever and then cutting up what rams you over there

What so what if we equip them and what if the most dangerous? Country in the world right now the The number one Equiper funder of terrorism in the world stayed the most dangerous country in the world But he became the most dangerous country in the world as in we dangerous we're advancing the gospel in the world

Injected and what are things

“So I think God can do it. Can I tell you something because you win you showed me that way maker media”

Saturday Saturday I'm I get up. I see the news and you know my I'm like there one Iranian friend a lot of my buddies have right That's why I called you I wish you'd gotten you could do a lot better than me, but I'm the one guy So like my phone's blown up and people I haven't heard from when ever you know like hey man What's going on bro? We got you come on your friends like me. Yeah a lot of my friends are like

My friends aren't saying like go Trump or they're like roll-tod and they're like come on You know one of my friends is like Arbor and lost You know Iran won it's a good weekend. I'm like let's go anyway. So so

So my phone's blowing up I'm side stage at a conference. It's a local one and You know in Springfield so I got college students high school students and and my phone's just going And I'm you know how you preach like you got your microphone you got your Bible But your phone's keeps going crazy. Yeah. Yeah, and it's my fault like why would I not have it

So I take my phone I put it to the corner I'm behind the LED walls and I'm here in it and

And I thought in my mind I thought I've got a quick thinking about Iran for a second and I got session two

I got to get up there and Preach this text session two and so I thought I'm gonna close my eyes and stop thinking about Iran bro I close my eyes And I thought God gave me Picture God gave me a vision and as soon as I close my eyes, I saw a

soccer stadium full of high school and college kids singing Your name is the highest your name is the greatest your name stands thinking about No dominion no power and these people know about dominion and power because they had a monarchy that didn't do right

They had a theocracy that didn't do right and they don't even really need a democracy. They need revival That's right and I thought if you told me

That that is a

“Vision of what could happen. I'd be like that's not a vision. That's a fantasy. There's no way in Iran in a soccer stadium Christians are gonna sing”

You know that song and not go to immediately but it's and now sitting here and I'm like and now it's possible dude. It's gonna be possible dude

Can you imagine I'm just like yeah, I'm I'm dreaming with you if I like the holy roar of this If you're listening to me right now and you don't believe this you do not know my God that's right If you told me when I was 18 years old and I got kicked out of the house for becoming a Christian one day Your dad would be a Christian. I'd be like you don't know my dad but God was bigger than my wildest dreams If you told me I said if you told me one time that one day this youth pastor doing a small group and two rivers Baptist church with one day

We want to God's great generals in this faith right now. I'd be like that guy just right just how we look All of us are just like look what God can do right get some pretty good licks with some cricket sticks That's right if you told me that one day and by the way my vision was not that I would be the one speaking side stage I think I'll just move some monitors around

That I think the kid who's probably going to speak at that soccer stadium

Amen, I'll do it's going to be some young audacious pastor the Josh Howard and Avira on go up dual-hourited All right, he's going to get up there and he's going to do what I can't do You know and he's going to be a brand new believer and he's going to say I got delivered out of it's been and so I really believe that now that said I don't know I don't know if that's a vision or a dream or you know

I tell you I want it to be a thing in that I want it to be a little weekend what would be a vision yeah And I That's the one thing we do know as the people of God

“The God is up that's why I took so much time to tell my story in the beginning that what you saw as a”

Horrible event because it was a horrible event

What you saw as like there was a revolution a lot of people's lives were at stake and all these things happened and the bloody streets and all that in the midst of all of that if it wasn't for that I wouldn't be in rock wall sitting here with you today You know championing the gospel man and so what the enemy means for evil That's for God uses for his glory and his our good and so I believe that right now I don't know how it's all gonna play, but I believe that God has his people and

Something bigger is going on so instead of focusing and putting all my energy and all the things I'm not sure about you know Tucker tells me one thing and Hannity tells me another And this one instead of I'm sure whatever you want that's all that Focus on what you do know that's right let that be the biggest thing that's going on You wake up today as a believer and go

“Sounds to me like God's up to something massive and how do I join that? Yes, I listen”

I just want to connect the dots for a listener If you think it is merely a coincidence that the country in that part of the world that is seeing the greatest Uprising of the gospel in that part of the world or the whole world Just so happens to be the country that is also potentially being liberated You have not read your Bible exactly you have simply not read your Bible

So like there is listen there's geopolitical things going on even more than that There is advance of the gospel kingdom of God's sovereignty of God things going on Let me let me ask oh well Like people go well the Persian Gulf is this why Iran matters even more than You know some of these other countries and stuff because that is like if that is they can stop the flow of oil

That's fine. I just want when Christians to hear that and go nothing will stop the flow of the power of the Holy Spirit coming out of Iran And do a mission work and say like again like what government can't do God can what what the enemy means for evil God can flip the test gotters so I've just seen God do the impossible over and over and over again And so I just it's fine to be down here But you got to stick your head up here and go what's God doing and how do I join it? Get up come on

So let me ask you this and you know, I don't know how you're gonna you can go with whatever you want to it Oh, no, I don't know what you're gonna. No, so like it's like like Muslims converted to Christ so like yeah, all right one of our international mission partners with like points of duty in Ghana his dad was named mom in Ghana Like it's 90% Islamic country and you hear these stories this literally happened to this guy that is our mission partner Where he's like he's a faithful Muslim and he has a dream and there's all my stories about the land and white

I do not get emotional talking about like acts to acts to literally acts to young men will see visions You have old-memile dream dreams. That's right. And you know, you know that's the potential Yeah, I mean yeah exactly young man. Oh, all right, so then like literally there's these stories There's a lot of people listen don't know this there's these stories all over the world just like our international mission partner in Ghana Who like the faithful Muslim goes to sleep and

Have a dream these stories of the man and white the man and white appeared to me. I get emotional talking about

International mission partner in Ghana and tells him that he is Jesus Christ. That he is the way that's truth in the life

Dude leaves his faith leaves his family gives his life to Jesus Gives it new family in the people of God and now he's church planner in Ghana You know under threat of

“Periscution to death so talk like what's the deal? What's the deal with the the man and white stuff?”

Muslims coming across that talk talk about that real quick man. God's It's it's not that God's not God's thinking if my church won't do it. I'll do it. God's like we're doing this together We're in part you get you have the privilege of partnering with you. I love and um people are

Jesus is appearing to people all over the Middle East and he is tenderizing the heart of people

But and Jesus does a need people but he's letting his peace give to the people the opportunity to then like in one sense close the deal. You know what I mean? I have other friend He's his name and he he sells uh he sells uh he sells metal I say he says but he's very well he's very wealthy So he flies first class to Dubai first class all over the Middle East and and does what he does for a living

But he was gonna retire but then he realized on man they're paying me all this money to go evangelize On their dime so he just decided to get really intentional and just start sharing the gospel Well, he's been working with this one guy and Dubai this family every time he gets there He goes this phase at a bougie hotel and they have a fat steak and they get to know each other Well he's been praying like God give me an inrode to this guy give me his reserve

So he he goes over there. He gets to the hotel and the guy calls him and says hey I can't come to you But why don't you come to our home

So all these years they've known each other he's never been invited in so he's like oh

So he's like I'm driving in now so I will meet I'll meet you down so he gets in a get a car they take him Kick him to the house he beats the guy to his own house and he knocks on he doesn't know that he knocks on the door Made comes up he says I'm the guest. They're like of course they bring him in the living room He's sitting in this beautiful home of this Muslim family devout Muslim family And

The husband hasn't come home yet the wife comes down to greet him Be hospitable and as soon as she sees him she just She just kind of like

“Freaks for second turns around and runs out so he's like did I offend her?”

I don't know the rule like was I'm not supposed to make make I don't I'm not supposed to shake hands or But like what did I do and so he's just nervous like what did I do the husband comes home and he's like where's my wife? Welcome and he's like I think I'm out of accidentally offended her because she came but she turned around and has been goes upstairs They're gone for about ten minutes. He comes down and he says hey, I want my wife to tell you what she just told me And the wife said I've been having drinks with a man

in a in a white row who's been coming to me and he told me That someone from America With appeared is going to come to your house and he's going to talk to you about me and when he does I need you to listen And then you came to my house and so my the guys like apparently we need to listen I don't care what kind of sermon illustration you got that saw God I don't care what kind of LED wall you got go

God don't need what he can do to to soften the hearts of his people and God doesn't even need my friend To share the to be he just let him have the gift that's right Single greatest thing that's ever happened to MJ was not like I sold a ton of metal Was like I went there and what I thought I couldn't do God was like you can't do but we come on man And so God is doing that everywhere but people are like getting together and they're going I had a dream

And I had a dream and I had a dream and I had a dream and they're like what was your dream and then they're like well apparently something there's so again Either all of this is real Or it's like three songs and a TED talk

“You know that's what church is or God is actually real. He's actually on the move”

He's actually changing the lives of people all over the world and I think Where there is desperation for him where there is a lack of all the things we've been afforded here Designs and wonders are On full tilt they're on all caps and I think God is doing those things right now in the middle east To continue to draw the attention for something bigger that's right and

Was so weird about that. I don't think it's just about the Middle East It's not lost on me as I'm telling you this the God actually Sense me From the 1040 window to come and be an evangelist to America I'm the missionary sent here well

Like my crowd is not the Iranian crowd my crowd is not the Middle Eastern crowd. You know saying like I speak to soccer moms

You know the college students in America, you know like but so it's not lost on me that

God is going to I think out of the Middle East possibly through this send missionaries throughout the world that will tell these stories a word look what God did that will Store the affections of people that are like is God real and double like I can't contend with that story That's right. What do I mean? What are you gonna do with that? So I think God all over the world is doing that and you've got a guy in your church

That's not a story. That's a person, you know. I know my friend who's saying He did for me what I couldn't have not done that's right The acceleration of that relationship where Jesus is like he's going to come to your house and when he does

“You need to listen to what he has to say about that's right. That's right”

If that's not softball teet up. There nothing. Yeah nothing and at that moment all he's got to do is hold two things at once

The blood of the lamb the word of his testimony Revelation Dave and answer thank you will you pray not just for us Before the people of Iran yeah yeah we do have please Lord you know that my name I don't know most of them by name You're so amazing you know the name of every single person that you died for

Thank you that God you so love them that you gave you one and only son that if they believe in you They will not perish but have eternal life Thank you Jesus that you my heart beats fast for him, but your heart Continuous to beat fast for him. I'm prone to wonder

Weeks like this. I'm just kind of thinking a lot about Iran, but you've never stopped

Thinking a lot about Iran and so we we pray in your accordance well we want you want more And we pray God that you would save Iranians thank you or that Islam is evil but Muslims Muslims are your prize right thank you Lord that you so love them that you gave Your self for him Jesus thank you and so we pray

Then Muslims who are held hostage by this this religion would be set free yeah, they'd find you They'd find relationships with you that unless you with you that would mark them forever and that they would be sent out God to do the stuff that

“Josh and I can never do so we pray for revival for Iran Lord. Would you do it God?”

Thank you Lord that's um That right now you're working and we pray God for their protection their provision Lord, thank you for how this is also going to be about an opportunity to evangelize Iranians and people from Pakistan and people from Kurdish families that have moved here

This is going to be an opportunity God a talking point for people to in the neighborhood in Texas in In Tennessee talk to people from the Middle East And so I pray people in America would come to know you that have come here because of what's you're doing Well, we love you. We need you. Thank you God Without you we have no hope but with you

We come with this confidence. I pray that as you send your sheep among wolves Your secret church Lord that you would let them be able to be wise as a serpent generals Aduff they'd carry themselves well. Thank you Lord Amen. I thank you David Nasser. I love you buddy. Thanks for let me be on love you So all right, so the here's a sinful hack question. We off-air we started talking about this like let's splice this in

All right, so a lot of people particular people who are like and this is the theology Nerd thing just go with me here real quick a particular from the eschatological Conviction that is kind of like the George lad historic pre-middle that kind of thing I know you're a technology. Okay, so inaugurate eschatology. So a lot of people go. Hey, man If I'm reading the Zekio 38 and 39 right it's doing a dog make-og thing and all that stuff and then it mentions Persia

and obviously as we've just covered yeah Persia equals modern day iron so let me just ask you and we I don't know how you're gonna answer this You can take whatever you direction you want or you can say I got all my car

“Post mail is I don't care, I don't care so let me ask this question because I think a lot of Christians are legit”

As in this question yeah, is war in or on do any of these events in your mind signal potential eschatological event or chain of events How do you think about it? By the way by the way for listeners when I say eschatological that's a big fancy theological word for in times and times yeah Man short answer is nobody knows, but the one who knows and he's told us when you think you know You don't know

However that doesn't mean that we take our like I stood at Mount Magito you stood there before I stood there and I I literally I literally got my still only one to only time I've ever gotten my compass out of my like

No, there will be the battle here and when Jesus comes back

“He ain't gonna be humble Jesus born in the manger. It's gonna be on a white horse”

You want to die sword out of his mouth blood. Yeah, but this is this is like lock and load and This is where it's gonna yeah, you know this is God's promise this is not a this is gonna happen

So I'm like where is Iran coming because in my mind it's always been

Iran is going to scripture tells the scroll Iran will play a role in me in a coalition against Israel However I also feel like I was side stays the other day and I had a vision that God might let this be So here's the short answer. I don't know but I do know one thing I don't know but in the meanwhile I want to win as many I don't I don't know what Iran is gonna do as a government I want Iranians come on man. I'm not sure what's I America will be on there. I want Americans and I'll tell you this

I don't know but I know I don't know the final score. I just know we've freaking win Yes, right? I don't know whether we're gonna win by 20 or whether we're gonna win by four I don't know the final score, but I read the end of my Bible every nation every tongue every tribe

“They'll be persons there. I'll tell you one”

Queen Esther a Persian queen she'll be there so like I know that In the end we're gonna win and Iranians will be on the winning side so for people So he won't be about their nationality that will determine by the way same for our friends in Israel That's right. He won't be about their nationality same for our friends in America listening to me That's right. There is no salvation. This is the greatest country in the world, but it's not gonna find you

So that your ultimate citizenship is the eternal citizenship in the kingdom of God. So I'm saying to you Care about it read about it come up. I have my leanings. Yeah slightly more reform like you can do that I'm ill you you got I'm ill a lot of reform as I don't I don't want to do it I don't want to email but people that's young people with falls on their annular They just want to beat up. No, thank you. Anyway, that's fair. Yeah with ten falls not anyway, whatever you say

Man, he's what I do though. I don't know how exactly yeah, but I know Iran will play a part in it because scripture says it That's good enough for me. You tell me is he killed 30 not yet. Yes, I don't know what all that means I just know at the end we win. Yeah, and I don't even know when that is And scripture told me I don't exactly but I have an urgency as you can sense it. That's right. I feel wired up bro. Yeah, I don't know me As you can tell this we're normally more chill. I'm like leaning in because my heart's beating fast right now

So in this urgency I don't want to waste a day. I want to see as many Iranians At the feet of Jesus as possible right not the nation. So the right rather than a nation counting I like the one citizenship that matters like Not everybody listening to me and this is not against them. I love America not everybody listening to me Everybody listening to me one day. You'll no longer be an American course

But one day you'll either be a kingdom citizen or you'll be so that is the ultimate allegiance that we have Matter of fact the the most beautiful thing you can do for this nation Is to not worship it To put it in this proper place and say it is the greatest country because sometimes people I was talking to a guy

This nation he was a navy seal this nation let him down he feels and I'm always complete story

But I kind of spoken to his life and said bro, maybe the reason you feel this way and you have a hard time trusting this nation You feel bitter about it is because you made too much of it and didn't have it in this proper place because I'm just telling you it's a little like you'll eventually demonize that's right. It's high on our high Shane should have lever and so I think in Iran there are Iranians who need to be in the right side in Israel

“So I'm not telling you like I don't care about the answer you should care about the answer”

But not at the expense of how many Iranians can get there that's right how many people from India can get there But what but you know to dovetail what is it what what David is mentioning is In his Eagle 38 and 39 it mode I would say I think it's fair to say most Bible scholars view that as a second coming Yeah, it's like a prophetic foreshort thing That's you know do a dual fulfillment kind of thing and then it specifically does mention Persia. That's right

And in the Eagle 38 it's clear today is right there. There it is. Yeah, it's right so that so that there will be something out of the nation of Iran Towards Israel that will culminate in Return of Christ. That's that's how a lot of people interpret that But at the end of the day How many national championships has Kentucky 1 7

Do you know the score of all those games? Who cares it's seven? I'm a fan we're by far the greatest team Pause football ever How many national football championships says Kentucky 1 0. Oh, that's easy. Anyway, so

So you're never allowed so so I don't remember one of the scores what I remember

I was wrong bro is eight we've won eight

You probably we got the Anthony Davis That's right

“So what matters is like the item saying we get caught up because here's the thing man life is full of”

Your as Christians were war already won Even though we'll lose some battles, so we get caught up in the score

And I'm not telling people not to care and not to lean and not to have urgency

But your urgency can't be this feels like modern time and up your urgency has to be I just the Lord told me to venture evangelism that's the inner it's the great commission. That's it Yeah, the Lord is not slowing keeping his promise is some say it's got some count slowness

“But he is patient not wishing that any shaperace”

Are we going around you me, huh? We're going around bro you call you call me. I'm serious. We kill call me. I would I would if I can figure it out I would legit love to go. I can't tell you some Saturday And my that conference bro. Yeah, yeah, but like you're one of the ones who texted me

I want to say what you said so Saturday

“My phone's blown up. I told me Ronnie and friend. Yeah, yeah, you're my favorite”

Thank you. I'm the only you're my guy. Yeah, so We've been talking for 11 months to do a movie and I can't get these people to stick the landing because I don't have like I don't have I can I don't have a big so I'm a nobody you know what I mean? So like they're like Ah, we're thinking about doing this movie. They're of course on Saturday they're waking up seeing this and then all of a sudden they're like Let's do a movie

Because got they're smart enough to go like this is a movie about your life. Yes, yes, that's awesome I can only imagine that's right. So I have a book called jumping through fires where I share my testimony And so they're like let's tell the story in a redemptive way to gospel so Scott Brickle who is the manager from our CME is like doing the contract for this thing So he he and I sitting are sitting Saturday at night

He and our sitting in the parking lot of this church because I'm done with the morning conference and and

and he said wouldn't it be amazing?

If you and some of your friends and me and Bart and all of us wouldn't it be amazing We had two movie premieres He said we had one up here in Nashville when the movie comes out and then we went to your run and we had a movie premiere in your on And full circle for me you go back and share the gospel with your story So I was wondering if you do it. You want to come with me do it Lord. I'll come if I can come my call. I'm in let's get a plane and I'm in

Okay, that's it great