I've done thousands of homes throughout Florida the past 20 years, while we d...
housing. But I've also been involved dealing face-to-face with the biggest names in the world. I mean, 60, 17 years ago, I did the windows for your studio. Estabin Codamani is a visionary entrepreneur, innovator, and the founder of Infinite Windows and Citadel.
Drawing from two decades of building innovative business systems, he empowers contractors to use AI to work smarter, grow faster, and stay competitive.
Most of the competition comes from labs that have never gone through what I go through
every single day. That don't know how construction truly works. The best software or program for a window company was never going to come out of a lab. It was going to come out of a window company. What I'm concerned about truly is that all those construction small, medium-sized companies
won't be able to adapt fast enough. This AI is moving so quick that it will lead people behind. It spans the globe, like a super-highest coal into the mountains, and it's going to be reinventing the globe. It's not over, I'm telling how we're doing.
The living your legacy podcast for those who live to leave a legacy. Hey, welcome back everyone to another episode of Living Your Legacy Podcasts, and yeah, we got a really special one because it's almost like his full circle coming around talking
“about the new Miami Beach studios, and we'll get into that, but it's honestly a privilege”
to have this dude here with us today, but yeah, what's your name? What's your business and where are you from? My name is Esteban Kadamani, I'm originally from Colombia. My business is, I have my internet windows company, and I also have my AI company, which is open-stratticles.
And yeah, so you're a Miami guy right now. I am a Miami guy, I've lived here more than I've lived in Colombia, which is crazy, because I feel like a Colombian guy, but you know, it's been here since 2001, I believe it or not. I mean, if you think about it, 2001, it feels so near, but it's also 25 years ago.
Yeah, yeah, it's just completely different. I'm sure. Well, Miami's gone through a lot of different phases, right? Right. And yeah, so why I'm so excited that you're here sitting here, and you've come full
circle, right, because you're the Miami Windows guy, and you've done a lot of windows
“around the city, including, done to to this building right here are new studios, right?”
But you didn't even know. I didn't realize when I was walking in. Yeah. And it's, you know, it's a funny story because I've done thousands of homes throughout
Florida the past 20 years, and I drove through Collins Avenue a hundred million times.
But I didn't realize this is because there used to be an Aldo store here. Yes. So I remembered it in my head as a de Aldo store. Once they remote that logo, it's completely forgotten. But when I was walking in, I'm like this looks familiar.
It depends that 60, 17 years ago, I did the windows for you studio, and they're still here. They're still here. The original windows. Yeah.
I opened the door. I'm like, oh my God, I remember when the installers, you know, using the scaffolds and how we got them on to the second floor, because it's a two, an open window where you get a, you know, you get installed at one of the second floor and you have nowhere to stand. So you get a assemble scaffolds and all that.
“And now seeing kind of the next generation of what this building has become, right?”
It must be pretty wild. You know, from the outside, you can't really tell. But when you open the door and you're walking and you start seeing all those posters and you see the design and the love, the energy. Yeah.
That's when it really hits you. You feel like a movie in a theater, it just feels great. Yeah. I'm happy to be here. We're still getting the outside done, right?
Yeah. But yeah, you still get that element of surprise, right? Well, it's not done.
Hopefully you keep it that way, because it looks amazing the way it is, is the article that
we'll use. Of course. Yeah. But I'm sure that after seeing everything I saw on the inside, whatever happens that you guys do on the outside, I'm sure it's going to be incredible as well.
Yeah, Rudy has done a fantastic job with this place and he did it so fast as insane, right? I mean, every single detail, we're just talking about the popcorns there, you know, that there are everywhere. It's like that he didn't miss any single detail around it.
Yeah.
Well, let's bring it back to you, right?
So I mean, Windows and then AI, right?
“It's like, well, okay, how do you go from the Windows world to the AI world?”
But let's start off with the Windows, right? So you're like the Windows guy for Miami, right? Yes. Tell us what that means. Give us the spectrum of kind of the low to high.
What is the window guy's? Why the window professional or why the expert in Windows Explorer is very simple? I've been doing this for 20 years. There's not many companies out there doing what I do that can say that. Yeah.
But not only that, but I've also been involved and growing for the past 20 years consistently and being able to spend time designing installing, dealing face-to-face with the biggest names in the world, the most recognized names in the world. I couldn't even tell you who because we signed in the ASA that level, but that should tell you a little bit about, well, you know, you do one side of the spectrum is luxury
homes, right? And you're talking about Miami, who's coming to Miami, all the billionaires and you've got some of the most expensive real estate in a world here, right? So when you're talking about you doing the Windows for these places, yes, you are talking about, you got NDA's like level people that you can't even say you did their Windows
because of that caliber celebrity or businessman, right? But then what's great is on the other side of the spectrum, what are the other windows that you're doing? Well, we do low income housing. Yeah.
Why haven't we, you know, why do we do when you're doing high-end, it's like, oh, you know, why would you be doing both spectrums and it's very simple.
“Low income housing is how we were born, that's how we ended Windows grew up to be what”
it was and how it became our recognized company. And we still believe that low income housing is apartments, condos, it's part of Miami. Most of our clients from 20 years ago are still our clients today and that's what they do. So, you know, we're not going to tell them we don't do low income housing, in fact, we love
it. Yeah. It also gives you the, that's what the soul of Miami is. And you know, most people that don't live in Miami, that travel and our tour is they all they see as, you know, the houses and the beach, the glam and the glam, the expensive
restaurants that are becoming even more expensive every day. But they forget that all the people, you know, they, they gotta have a place to live and the old Cubans, like the, the higher the, the, the, the eight street, which you drive through there and it's amazing. That cultural. Oh, yeah.
It's, I love the vibras, the vibras. Yes. But they, you know, they need a place to live and, and we do that work as well. But we don't do as much as kind of like in the middle because you can't do everything. You gotta focus on one of the, yeah, and to all us, it was the high in homes and the low
income housing. Nice. Nice. And how do you go from being the window guy to being the AI guy now, you know, if I tell you
that that has always technology, computers, I've always been my passion, I wanted to become
a software engineer. Yeah.
“You know, that's what I wanted to study.”
Back then, 2000, 2001, been a software engineer was basically been a technician that fixes computers. Hmm. So my parents wouldn't let us, right? Yeah.
With the green screen and that little green flicking space. Yeah. Yeah. That the internet. Oh, yeah.
Of course. And so yeah, I mean, my parents who were sacrificing everything, my grandparents were sacrificing everything to put me here. They didn't want me to waste those years. Studying computers when I could be doing business administration because they knew that I
always wanted to become a business owner and entrepreneur and had a lot of ambition. They just didn't see it in computers. Hmm. Yeah. And so then you had to give up that dream.
You started working when does grew that to a phenomenally amazing company. And then you're like, wait a minute, my passion is software. You got all this AI. Of course, you're keeping up to date with it. And also, you got to kind of integrate your passion with your work, right?
Well, it wasn't like I waited 20 years to go back to computers. I mean, I've always been ahead of the industry when it comes to software and systems and programs. Yeah.
The problem is that I never learned how to code.
And I think that the biggest challenge for most people before, before AI, nobody that knew how to code. And remember, a couple of years ago, that everybody was talking about, you got to teach your kids to go to, you know, to code because it's the future.
Yeah.
I mean, and look at it. That backfired. That backfired. Yeah. Sorry.
Er, rewind guys.
“And you know, it's sad because most coders right now are having trouble because they're”
so used to actually coding and it's hard for them to figure out that all that code can be done by AI. Yeah. Well, I mean, it must be terrible too that they spent so many years learning how to code and then all of the sort and something, you know, everybody's able to code all of the
sort of to an extent, right? I mean, absolutely. Of course.
It's it's always going to get improved a little by little.
And the coder is going to have an advantage over you. Just like the graphic designer and they say, OK, it can now graphic design, but any graphic design of that looks at what the AI is producing the slop, you know, there's a difference, right? But they gotta be open minded.
Yes. And that's the biggest thing for them right now, you know, you guys have the biggest, you guys are geniuses first of all, because after by coding for so many months, it's like, oh, my God, how the hell did someone was able to create this, you know, by memory, basically, but they cannot be, because it would happen to anyone, it could happen
to, you know, a doctor, you know, it could be the most important doctor, but it robots come in and they start doing the same surgeries that they do for a fraction of the price, you know, doesn't mean that the doctors are going to sit behind and watch, they have to evolve and they have to create new things using this new technology. So they have an advantage.
True.
“So you are vibe coding, what do you vibe coding for your company?”
What I did was I created basically think about it as a iOS, the iOS of construction. Okay. We have an iOS where it's full of applications, because you see now there's a lot of companies creating software for reading plans, the other one to be able to, you know, follow up with the invoices, the other one to for customer service and sales, but none of them,
they're all done in a lab, they, you know, this engineers don't really know how construction works, because construction is completely different from what we were used, we deal with the installation team where most of them don't even speak English. Where these people, they only use WhatsApp, for example, you know, they don't know how
you use email or they do, but they don't, they will never go into a computer and respond
an email. They don't even know. They don't know. Yeah. So how do you make them part of your organization?
Because without them, you know, they're 50% of the company. So you get a speaker language, you get us used the tools that they already use and you get to put it all together in a way that it makes everybody's life easier, because they have to see the benefit. Yeah, if it ain't easier, then they want to do it and they won't use it.
“So you got to make it easier for them, but the only way for you to be able to know how”
to make it easier for them is by being them and being part of it for 20 years. Having been there done that, exactly. Yeah. And so are you also using LLMs and kind of feeding the construction language and the kind of all the work into a large language model where it gets to know?
Well, I think that's the key of everything because I think that where LLMs and AI in general lacks is that it has little context or specifics of every single industry. But you have 20 years of context. Exactly.
That's why I said that the best software or program for a window company was never going
to come out of a lab, it was going to come out of a window company because that's the only people that really know how the workflow and how everything is connected and works. I had a huge issue on my previous CRM, which was based on Web2 that I didn't code. I had a real software engineer to do for me. It was there, which is also a frustrate, it's got its own nuances compared to Vivecoding.
Working with developers is also like, ah, you know, there's time, there's maybe skills that they lack, right? You've got to work with what you have. Well, now I understand why it took them so long, because I have no idea how they would create 60,000 lines of code, you know, the flow charts is crazy and for me, you know, for
me to tell them, just I want this button to be one inch to the right. I don't want to hear, you know, and it will take them a couple days to do that.
You know, now I understand better.
Also, I don't have to wait for someone else to create my vision.
Yeah, yeah. I can test it, I can I can create it, I can test it and I can make it run my company in the morning. Correct. Correct and forth and then then going doing the work and coming back, you're just literally,
you know, it's like you're sitting side by side with your developer and able to just tell him and he does it automatically, just like this five minutes later, you've been talking about the LLMs and the context. Yeah.
“The only way that truly works goes everything looks nice and LLMs and, you know, AI in general,”
they are so good and making you feel like you've created something huge when you really haven't. Yeah. And I think that's one of the biggest challenges. And that's why, you know, there's a front end, there's a backend, there's the context
and then there's the all the data, you know, how do you put all this together and that's the key. And when it comes to LLMs, I think that being able to create and teach the context. To them, so they can produce better information and better answers is where it all starts. Yeah.
At the beginning is very frustrating. Yeah. But I guess with 20 years of emails with customers, with invoices with customers and just, I mean, all the different contracts and permits that you can kind of feed that into your own model.
Yeah. And it's more specialized.
“Well, imagine being able to feed 20 years of experience, frustrations, mistakes into a”
program and that every decision that you ask it, it responds based on all the full context. Yeah. That's what I'm used to do. Because the hours that LLM, yeah, yeah. But it's impossible, you know, it's impossible to be able to, your company needs to run
by itself. Yeah. It can require the owner for every decision. So, do you go to conferences a lot? I don't.
And I'm going to start. Okay. I was going to say, you know, inside the construction conferences, there must be the tech sector, right? And I remember I'd go in a travel conferences that there was a travel tech sector.
Yeah.
“There must be AI, you know, it's like first to market, right?”
Yeah. Have you seen competition kind of that you're competing with? Well, yes, I have.
The problem is that is what I told you before.
Most of the competition comes from labs, a larger company startups in Silicon Valley, you know, that have never gone through what I go through every single day. That don't know how construction truly works. But they're going to sell you a $100 per user app that solves maybe one problem, but that you're installers and most of your people want to use.
Yeah. We try them all. We try an hour main say names, but we tried every single one of them. We spent so much money into them. And it's impossible to customize it and to make it work for you and for your own workflow.
So that's what I did. You know, I started thinking, well, how those all this large corporations, obviously it's harder for them to steer that ship, but how are they able to, you know, make changes and create software and start building all this workflows for them to work. And, you know, my wife works for a Fortune 500 company and it's a public company.
It's a, you know, huge company and it's nothing to do with technology though. But when I started seeing that they use Excel spreadsheets for creating budgets and talking
about multi million dollar budgets, I couldn't believe it.
You know, I, I'm like, this is a public company with hundreds of millions of dollars of budgets where I created on a single Excel file. So that's because Wales moves slow, you know, it's like startups and the disruptors that are able to pivot fastly and just hit the ground running, you got an idea, it's a boom build it.
But then you have the other side of the coin, this is the large companies and then you have the, the very small companies, you know, the, that installer that was so good, what he did and that he wanted to open his own window company or that kid that his daggers to be a carpenter and now he wants to sell kitchens. They've done this, his, their business and they're worked on, on their business the same
way for many years and it has worked for them so far and it's probably going to continue to work in a way.
The problem is that they need to become more efficient.
They need to become their company because they don't do it.
The competition will, what I'm concerned about truly is that all those construction small, medium sized companies won't be able to adapt fast enough and have seen it for 20 years, you know, it took, when the company so long to be able to start using PDF plans for example, everything was blueprint, you know, and everybody else was using PDF and digital plans or digital word documents, but us, we had to literally print, you know, the large 36 inch
pages to be able to read a plan and produce quotes. I see the same thing happening now now, why didn't it affect fact 10 construction companies because it was a slow change, you know, but AI is moving so quick, that it will lead people behind, yeah, you get that AI anxiety because it's too fast, right? It's like you got to get into it, but it's like, ah, do you really need to get into it?
Because it's stressful, right?
“It's like the newest tool and then it's like five of them, so that's why I decided to create”
an iOS for it because you're able to create new applications as you go, the most important
thing is that everything is inside the same context of what you've taught it from the company, reading every single conversation that happens with claims to understand what the clients priorities are and what they're chosen and being able to add as you go, something comes up, you added as an application right, yeah. Well, I asked everyone, what are you most excited about? It could be personal, it could be business, what's going on?
You know, I'm excited of this new stage of Micrerear because I'm doing what I, I'm passionate about. It was a dream that I showed 25 years ago and I'm finally able to to work on it. Nice. I'm excited that now I have two kids so I can share it with them as well.
“I can spend more time with them. Yeah. Honestly, I haven't been able,”
being a business owner is really time-consuming. Most business owners have to know what I'm feeling. Yeah. And that's another thing I'm trying to change. You know, I'm trying to make my company work. My company now works for me instead of me working
for my company. Yeah, that's amazing. Well, yeah, the world of AI is so exciting. You know,
it's, it's started to become the Iron Man. You're right. Yeah, it's going to be, change. Things are going to change dramatically. Oh, I've, I've seen, I've seen what they're developing with AI that, like, this one dude, he's got this whole Iron Man system and then he's got this like whole thing of like his AI agents. Okay. And he's got this like screen of all his different agents. They're like hanging out at the beach. Some are surfing, some are sunbathing,
some are having a barbecue, right? And then he calls a meeting and everyone goes to the kind of like dinner picnic table and then he says, okay, a marketing team, give me the update. And then the marketing teams go up to like the podium and then they start giving him all the updates of what happened in the past 24 hours since they, like they spent. Okay, your marketing spend was this. He's like, okay, give me the HR department and then HR department comes, right? And then yeah,
he's got all these different AI's for all these different departments, right? And then after that, they go back to kind of surfing or whatever. You know, wow. Yeah, it's really, really cool. You know,
“people are humans. We are very creative. Yeah. And I think that this is going to bring out a lot”
of creativity from people. Because it gives them the tools that they didn't have. No, they that they had to school, they had to go four years or three years to school to learn how to do. You know, I am a big Elon Musk fan. I like his vision. I like what he has created. And the way that he sees the world is there's opportunity for everyone. Yeah. Well, it's been a pleasure to have you on the show and yeah, I can keep on talking for you hours right? Stay here for a minute. Yeah, to have
the dude that I kind of did our windows and now you're sitting in the podcast because he was huge success here in Miami and to have a good Miami guy come in and it's been a pleasure. So once again, how do people find you? Well, they can go to openstrategals.ai. Penny spell that. Open strategos.ai. All right, perfect. And any other thing on social media where they can they can find you on everything? Yeah, they they can go to my Instagram. My is @estvancadamani,
@estvancadamani, or my Twitter, eCadamani, or you can just search my name is so peculiar, my last
Thing in particular.
searched me online and you're gonna find me. All right. All right. Well, that's amazing. And yeah,
“that's America's best builders. If you want, you know, kind of check out what's going on with the”
people that are top of their industry, be a window installer, construction people,
HVAC people, but the people that are building the newest and biggest cities of America,
“then yeah, tune into this show and tune into his episode. It's a really cool one. And thank you guys.”
We'll see you next time. Cheers, everyone.
