How One Doctor Reversed Heart Disease Without Surgery

So the doc was like, I can't put a stent in there.

“Yeah, either gonna have to have open heart surgery at 34,”

or I'm gonna put you on five, six medications. Is this what I want for the rest of my life? I wanna follow my dad's path of health. - Yeah. - Like, no, absolutely not.

The trigger changed. The conscious decision came in. The awareness that I need to do multiple things here. Dr. Ali Saberi is a board certified humanitarian and integrative internal medicine physician,

author and the owner of a concierge medical practice. Known for combining evidence-based medicine with nutrition, longevity, and whole-person wellness. - Medicine tells me that I cannot heal within. Like, I can't focus within and heal,

but that didn't make sense. That was illogical. Why can I not work deep? Of course I can, right?

I can move my breathing slowly.

I can so my heart right down, right? I can relax my gut system. I can relax my muscles.

“It was just deeper breathing techniques, focus.”

So why can't I go more in? And that was the biggest question I had. And the answer was, I can't. And I don't need to accept the status quo answer. (dramatic music)

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- It's about just not on the planet. - You can live your dream. - Hey, welcome back everyone to another episode of Living Your Legacy Podcast. I'm your host again, Jay Slingon.

And we are almost here at the finals of the World Cup on Sunday, but we got the new studios, Miami Beach. And yeah, we got a special guest with us today from the show, America's Best Doctors.

And why don't you introduce yourself? What's your name? Where are you from? And what kind of doctor are you? - All right, Jay.

Thanks for having me. My name is Ali Siberia, I'm an MD, internal medicine, and then I got into functional medicine. Really, the holistic approach, more so than anything else. - Okay.

- Working with the mind body spirit aspect. - All right. - So how far did you go with the internal medicines before kind of transitioning? - Yeah, so right now I've been

got my MD about 30 years ago. Maybe a little over 30 years ago. - Yeah, so you've seen a lot? - You did all. - Yeah.

- I've been around to have done some humanitarian work in Afghanistan in Africa, internal medicine. So probably about 15 to 20 years, strong of internal medicine and primary care of sorts and tropical medicine as well.

- So when you do volunteer work in Afghanistan, you're helping the locals from the war stuff? - No, so actually, when I was in Afghanistan, it was right during the war. So it was right after 9/11, okay.

We were in refugee camps, right on the Iran Afghan border. - Yeah. - They're helping out about 11,000 refugees in two camps there for about five, six months in collaboration with the UNHCR,

the United Nations High Commission for refugees and the red crescent and a few other NGOs there. - And how was it overall? - It was it struggling with equipment

“or was it really good and you guys did a lot of help?”

I'm sure there's positives and negatives about that. - Yeah, we definitely had to troubleshoot a lot. - Yeah. - You know, we had a great logistics team as well. So no, it was overall smooth,

but there was many times where, yeah, we had to fix the water, bladder, or some tents would get destroyed for some because the wind gusts were crazy, there we got storm wind storms that are rather intense

in the Afghan desert, yeah. But medically, we don't have CAT scans and X-rays and MRI machines in the desert, right? So that's one of the things you get to really ramp up your clinical skills,

history-taking, physical exam scenarios. And do what you can for them as much as you can. And for us it didn't matter if there was Taliban in there, or not, that was not the point that we were there for. - Yeah.

- Right, we were there to help them because they had been displaced with their families and whatnot. - Yeah, yeah, no. - It's funny, 'cause it reminds me of this story,

like I was backpacking on the border of Northern Laos

And the friend and I that, we were both trained

like wilderness first responder, right?

So we had our first aid kit 'cause we're in the middle and no, we're just whatever in case, right? And we're biking. And then when we went out to this village, someone just had like a cut that was like,

and needed cleaning, right? So just in our first responder brains, we just took out the first aid kit and we just helped clean the cut, wrapped it, band jaded it, like simple stuff.

- Yeah, yeah. - All of a sudden we got like the whole bit, like it's board spread that there is these two doctors in the village, right? And then now we got, you know, this woman with the baby

and she's like trying to, you know, and then she's like showing us her baby and the ears all in fact,

“they were just, oh no, we don't speak the language at all, right?”

- That's true. - And then when we're trying to like high tail it out of there, there was another woman. And oh, this was a woman with the baby, right? Kind of like trying to rush to get to the two doctors, right?

And then she's like shows us the baby's ear and then she like bust out this vial of like this clear liquid. And she's like, ever just like, yeah, sorry lady, you got the wrong people.

So, you know, yeah, it was just like, oh, man, you know? - Absolutely, because they don't have the access. So if there's this word suddenly that someone has like Western medicine or something, they definitely flock up. - Yeah, for sure.

- Also, my friend had these huge blonde dreadlocks at the time. So then everyone's grabbing her hair and we just like, we gotta go. Were there other places you said that you were doing volunteer work? - Yeah, and what drove you to do the volunteer work?

- So after, after I graduated, which literally med school I graduated, probably two weeks after 9/11, right? - Yeah. - I needed to study for my boards for the American boards.

But my dad was back in Iran. He had got remarried. My mom had passed away some years before. And so I said, all right, let me just go there. Focus, study, and I'll go to the States and get my boards.

And then, you know, move on from there. - Well, got there and my dad wanted to do this like, little killed remage to the Holy City in Iran, called "My Shad," which is very close to the Afghan board or actually, right?

- Yeah. - And again, this is after 9/11, so the war is going on actively now, right? And we, but before we go, I said, hold on.

“We have a very large family, like huge family, right?”

- My mom just, I can't even count hundreds, right? - So I call this many of them as I could. And I said, "You know, we're going to my Shad. "I want to-- - Is that a huge, blood family "or because in the Philippines,

"and everyone's in your honor, Uncle. - Right? - We have that too. - Definitely. - Yeah.

But no, these are blood. - All right.

- These are bloods, like second cousins, third cousins,

on-screet, on-screet, on-colds. - Yeah, they're on blood. - Yeah, it's wild. And so I call this many of them as I could, and I said, "We're going here,

"and I'm gonna meet with a local Afghan refugee." Not refugee at NGO, that is. And I want to donate clothes and stuff. So I literally, I think I collected four large suitcases and stuff. Got on the train, me, my friend, my dad, my uncle,

another friend, we went there. We met with the local UNHCR representative. There, he introduced us to an Afghan NGO. They took us in their community. And just like you, I had just graduated met school, right?

And I didn't have anything with me. And they found out I was a doctor, and they had me going to every single home, walking in and I'm like, "I can't do much." Like I get it.

So we gave the clothes and stuff away and then we went back to the guy, the UNHCR local guy, and I said, "Can I help these people?" And he said, "No, because we already have local doctors

that are under the Iranian system,

“but you should call doctors without borders in Tehran."”

I'm like, "All right." So I reached out to them and literally, a few weeks later, they hired me. And I'm in the desert.

So that's like how that started, which was amazing.

And once I did that, it became kind of like a positive addiction. - In a way? - Right on. - Very self-fulfilling in a positive way, right? - Now, with Western medicine, and other medicines around the world, right?

Where they open to Western medicine, or I remember when I was studying about among refugees coming to the States, right? They'd be in the Western hospitals, and then they'd want to come in

and literally, like, sacrifice a chicken, right? Did you have to deal with any kind of pushback

in the healing? - Yes, and no.

A lot of them did appreciate, especially the antibiotics.

They were like, "Can we get a shot of antibiotics?" "Yeah, you don't need your shot of antibiotics." Like, "Jail, please." (laughs) There was one incident where it really like upset me.

A lot, I was very upset. And I was at that time, how old was I? 31, 32, here's old? - Yeah.

“- Right, 53 now, and I remember a mother brings in a baby.”

And the baby can't breathe well. We can hear audible wheezing, work concern. I mean, I'm concerned the baby is gonna crash, like in the next 48, 72 app. - Wow, okay.

- Right. And I'm like, we can take the baby across the border and you're on with the mom, right? Mom comes too, or dad, whoever.

And the baby gets some appropriate hospital care.

And that wasn't having it. He said, "No, if baby dies, baby dies, "that's God, we will have another one." And that kind of, that really upset me to appoint me and dad had some words.

Yeah, they had to separate me, I was upset. But, you know, then I just had to reflect back and that's not my place. - Oh, so you didn't win the argument in the end? - No, I did not.

- Oh, wow. - Now, fortunately the baby did not pass away. - Okay. - Right, we, we, we made a deal. Said, okay.

Bring the baby to our tent every day.

“And the baby stays with us, mom can stay too.”

And we will monitor. So we came to a mid-grounds. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it definitely is there. But no, most of the time, they were very appreciative on multiple levels.

I mean, just so sweet, everybody. And that was the thing, like, then I got back here and to, you know, study for my boards. And I'm like, why is everyone so pissed off? Like, what's wrong with you, you know?

But on reflection, and that, like, they don't understand what I understood, right? - They also have another X amount of years before they actually start helping people, most of us, it seems, right?

And then you had gone, you know, started helping people, which is a large reason, right? Why doctors become doctors? - Correct. - Because they have a huge heart.

They want to help people. - Yes, we do. - Or, because their Asian mom is like, - Or say them, right, go, go, go, go, right. - Doctor, we're a lawyer, right?

- Definitely a fact. - You got two, you got two? - We're sure. - Or engineer, I get. - So, but yeah, so they got that pathway.

“It's like, you know, maybe that's why they're pissed off”

because they're still in the books. They're still not really able to help people. And you're just like, man, I've come off this great, great trip, helped a lot of people, you know? - Yeah, and it was so good for me that I immediately

after I gave my step one, 'cause there's three steps to the board. So, step one, I gave it two weeks later, I was in Sierra Leone, working with doctors with our borders in the bush.

- Yeah. - And that was a completely different experience, right? Like, the Blood Diamond War had just finished. It was 19 or 18,500 UNP skipers in this little country. And Liberia had an active war going on, still, right?

And so we would go into the jungle and find kids with their moms who'd escaped Liberia, malnourished as heck, right? Like, the kids had white hair. They were so malnourished, right?

- And so, in terms of, I know malnourished you got that big belly, right? - Right. - That's why she's at, is white hair symptom before the big belly or?

- Yeah, so it's not everyone gets that, right? But again, these are all black kids, right? So, they manifested some of their malnourishment onto white hair. - Gotcha.

- Some of them did have the big belly. - Yep. - Yeah, the swelling, all that. So, we had a malnourishment clinic for the kids or even for the adults too, we also had a, like a,

makeshift hospital, and then a community clinic too. In this little town about eight hours drive a free town. - Yeah. - And so, what were you giving them for the malnourishment?

It's just vitamins and stuff. So, we had different cocktails, bags and orals and what not that doctors without borders makes already in like Paris or Belgium or whatever and then they ship them over to us.

And they have a mixture of proteins, vitamins, minerals. - Yeah, but how do they make it sustainable and not just, hey, 'cause it's like, how do we fix it from the roof? - Correct.

So, ultimately, you know, some of these people,

they weren't able to go back to Liberia, right?

in Sierra Leone if they wanted to.

- Yeah.

“- And so, yeah, you were doctor for 30 years,”

like so, how far, like, you've seen a lot, right? And so, how far into the medicine did you get to? Like, what was the peak of your knowledge of how many people you were helping or give us an idea?

- So, peak wise, I don't think I ever peaked. I hope I haven't. - Yeah, yeah. - To be honest, you know, 'cause there's so much more to do and learn.

- Yes, of course. - Right. Just like, for me, there's no such thing as perfection. - Yep. - 'Cause if you're perfect, then you got nothing else.

- But were you working on, I mean, world's first things

where it's like, okay, this is the latest medicine and we're gonna try this or not necessarily? - Yep. - No, not necessarily in that way. For me, I guess in that situation would be

really the transition from the classic Western medicine model that they teach you in med school and in residency program. So, I did my residency in Memphis at the University of Tennessee and I did my med school in Europe and Hungary.

And if you keep the blinders on that they teach you, you're gonna have problems truly helping the patients. - Yes. - Because many of them don't actually get quote unquote fixed or healed

or reset their system with these pharmaceutical pills. - Yeah. It's not like everyone fits down that perfect, you know, the square peg in the square hole of two pills. - Right.

- Three times a day. - Right, right. And so, when I'm a very curious individual, my mind always roams. And especially when it has to do with the human condition,

I wanna know as much as possible. Without going overboard, right, without being neurotic about it, per se, right? But that was, I guess, the precipice that I had to have my own experiences

to learn how meditation, deep focus within can truly change. - Yeah. - And that was the most powerful piece to start with. And then learning about nutrition as medicine,

targeted supplementation as medicine. Of course, exercise, different forms of exercise. For who learning about the blue zones and the earth and the commonalities, these blue zones, haven't why do they live the best?

One's in Costa Rica, one's in Japan, and one's in Sardinia, for example, right, why do these people live the best while it is of life the longest, right? And so, looking at all these things together,

“I started to piece this, which I think some of us do that,”

right, we're curious, we don't accept the status. - Yeah.

- And I've never accepted the status quo.

Even I remember working in a large healthcare organization in Tampa, I helped build their telemedicine program. And they would say, you're one of our doctors that colors outside the lines and we love you for it. - Yeah.

- You still follow our rules, but you definitely color outside the lines. - Yeah. - And they recognize that. - There's a huge transition of doctors going from,

you know, traditional medicine to natural medicine and meditation, healing, right. There's actually been clinics that people are opening up with red light therapy and just almost like, all kinds of other medicines, right?

- Absolutely. - From doctors that were in the hospitals for years and years and years. - Yeah. - I spoken to many of them, actually.

Is there, I guess for you, right, you know.

“What do you, what do you see that transition more and more?”

- I do. - Definitely. - And what's kind of pushing that transition? Is it kind of insurance and these pill pushers that are pushing doctors away from that

and you're kind of just getting a general sense of like, hey, this has not been working and there's more. Like your curiosity, kind of said that there's more. - So this is a loaded question because I can go deep and realize into this one.

But I'm gonna keep it simple for right now without getting too controversial. (laughing) So definitely, I think a lot of us

Like if right now my practice model is a concierge model, I don't mess with insurance.

“And I think many people apart from that,”

when you really dig down and look at the pharmaceutical system

they have a very strong lobby, powerful lobby in D.C.

- Oh yeah. - That has been running the show for years and years and years and years and years, right. And they definitely cherry-picked their studies. Like you said, you know, not everyone

is gonna fit into that square, that circle, right? And again, if you are curious, you understand that there's gotta be more because these pills aren't doing it, right? Your patient keeps coming back to,

I have side effects, this is not working. So I'm on and so forth, right? For many different disease states, right? Not just one particular disease state, right? This is rampant across the board.

And then there's many diseases now

that are what we call mistrialness, right?

“That's what Western medicine calls them.”

And functional medicine, holistic healing, we kind of know what these are already now, right? We know that there are toxins and stuff that affect us, that cause these different things, there's viruses, there's bacteria that live in our body,

so on and so forth. - Yeah. - Adding all that together, I mean, you choose to stay in the status quo with the blinder's on. Then, you know, more power to you,

and I'm sure you'll be successful on some levels, of course, 'cause not everyone is going to come onto this phase, per se of better healing and helping people understand their sovereignty and not dumbing them down

and telling them they can't heal themselves, you know? That was one of the biggest things that I had a question for myself, as I was in medicine, was medicine tells me that I cannot heal within, like I can't focus within and heal,

but that didn't make sense, that was illogical, because just as you and I are talking right now, and moving our hands and drinking coffee and water, why can I not work deeper? Of course, I can't, right?

I can move my breathing slowly. I can slow my heart right down, right? I can relax my gut system. I can relax my muscles with just deeper breathing techniques, focus, so why can't I go more in?

And that was the biggest question I had, and the answer was, I can't, and I don't need to accept the status quo answer. - Yeah. - So then I started doing research,

so many people have done this, healed themselves. The probably one of the mainstream guys is Dr. Joe Spencer, right? He's well known for this, and for his son too. For me, it was coronary artery disease,

so I was diagnosed that 34 with a plaque that was 70% in my main artery. And it was in just one location really close to my aorta, so the doc was like, I can't put a stent in there, 'cause it'll block off other blood flow.

Yeah, either gonna have to have open heart surgery at 34, or I'm gonna put you on five, six medications. I'm like, well, let's go with the meds for now. I'm like, what if I do open heart surgery, I have to do it again as I get out probably in 30 years

I'm again, well, hold off on that for now. So at 34 now, I'm on six meds.

My dad had his first heart attack at 36,

quadruped by so strong family history, right? But in residency stressed out, like they feed you shit food, you barely sleep, it's wild, right?

“So 34, six meds, I'm like, what the fuck is going on?”

What's happening? (laughs) And I had already gotten into the spiritual framework. But then I said, you know, is this what I want for the rest of my life, I wanna follow my dad's path of health? Yeah, like no, absolutely not.

So that's when I really, the trigger change, the conscious decision came in, the awareness, that I need to do multiple things here, right? First thing was change the lifestyle, right? He can kind of change the diet.

Yeah, eat better exercise more, better stress. Not to could have easily told you that, too. Right, you know, right, there's more than two, you know, pills and, okay, why don't you just start off with exercise and diet, right?

There you go, right. And then so started that, of course, but it's still hard, you're in residency, right? There's only so much you can do when they're pushing you like that.

I mean, that's my choice, I wanna be pushed, right?

meditative visualization.

“And the practice was every morning, wake up”

for five to 15 minutes, where I would see my plaque, 'cause I could see it, when I had the test done, I was white awake. Like it was after 35 hours of call, and I go to the doctor and he gives me value

and I'm like, "Oh, my gosh, I got touch of a brow." Like, "What's happening?" (laughs) So he's like, "You see that right?" I'm like, "Yeah, I see that."

Yeah, so I focused on the plaque. And I focused on it to get smaller. And then I commanded my liver to take particles up there to break that plaque down and reprocess them through the liver. Yeah.

Now, when you do this, for how long? I did it every day, or five out of seven days a week

for months, not ears, months.

Yes, wow. Okay. And then I did my other things, right? But over time, what I was doing also was slowly lowering the pill count that I was on.

Okay.

“The last things to go were my blood pressure medications”

and the heart medication. So now fast forward about eight to 10 years. I'm going through a divorce, right? And I've cut everything down to one medicine and now I'm living in Florida, right?

And I have my cardiologist here. He has all my records. And he's, he, it's gotten better, right? Well, so he keeps me on a stress test and the stress test looks good, okay?

Right? So, okay, that's positive, right? Good stress tests and all that. But we know that stress tests have false negative results, 15% of the time using diabetics and older people

or obese people classically, but any of it. So, I'm sitting there after my divorce, like, let's say a few months after. And I just start getting severe chest pressure like an elephant, like classic textbook.

Heart attack. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I call the office of him, I cancel all the patients. I'm, I gotta drive myself to the hospital. But I didn't go to my hospital.

I'm like, "Hail, no." I'm going to go to the other hospital. So, this is for hospital because I don't want anyone checking out me up in my hospital, all right? So, I went to the sister hospital.

That's where my cardiologist was. And they took me up to the cath lab immediately. But they knocked me out this time. So, I didn't see anything. I didn't see the screen.

And I woke up in the CCU and the guy comes in and goes, "Dark, I'm really confused." I'm like, "What's happening?"

He's like, "I mean, your plaque's only about 10 to 20 percent."

He's like, "Are you sure your records were accurate?" And I'm like, "Yeah, you saw my records. Of course, they're accurate." You know? He's like, "Well, this doesn't happen from a 70 percent plaque

going down to 10 to 15 to 20 percent." Yeah. And you have kids and, you know, you don't take any of your medications, except for the one beta blocker that I was on. And, you know, you fast food sometimes with your kids.

And you only, you know, 'cause I'm still I was working, family, and so on. So it wasn't the best lifestyle, right? It still is. We're eating better, and...

I was, of course, of course. I was, but again, it's hard to eat great with smoking. Right? You can do so much, right? I said, "Look, Doc, you know, I can't tell you that I am the best lifestyle patient,

but this is what I did, and I did visualization, and so on." And he really didn't understand, so he's like, "Okay, great. Thanks for the interview." I'll follow up with you in the office, and I'll say, "Yeah." So I have the records, right?

Like the clear facts of that. And again, I'm not the only one that there's many that do this. But to go back to my question, I guess it's also what's pushing a lot of doctors into that is just, I guess, the advent of technology and the message and more in stories, like yourself, getting out there, and they're saying, "Hey, we gotta be open to this."

Doc, just have to be curious. If you're not curious, you become a dinosaur. Yeah. And I think that's in every profession, right? Just about.

Yeah. I mean, anyone that's smart on a certain level is going to be curious, especially with the internet. And now AI is just like more information, more-- Pretty crazy. Pretty crazy.

Yeah. And a smarter, smarter, younger, younger. It's pretty crazy.

“The thing is that curiosity is one thing, but then you have to be able to shift your”

perspective. So you can be curious in that realm of blinders, right? There's plenty of food to feed you there, you know? There's a lot, right? And this.

But if you shift your perspective, your curiosity actually grows even more.

Yes. Right. So a lot of it is shifting that perspective. And then, how do you shift your perspective is through your belief, right? So if your belief structure is stuck into this phase, are you going to shift your perspective?

Yeah.

“I always think there's just, you know, life is just in such a spectrum on everything in life,”

you know? And that's what shifts my perspective. Absolutely. It's just knowing, hey, there's a spectrum. Yeah.

On everything. Literally everything. Absolutely. For yourself to understanding that, then, you know, I guess you'll just be so much better off than people that are in that close box.

I think you'll live a fuller life, yes, to be honest. Especially, I'm being here in inside success, interviewing all these people, and knowing that the past, the path, the two success, right, is just, you know, everyone's lived this spectrum. It's like crazy.

Yeah. But real quick, right? I just asked everyone, what are you most excited about right now? So I'm really the current phase in my life to truly be able to launch something that I'm working on right now, to help as many people as possible.

Doesn't matter, your background, your age, your religion, your race, it doesn't matter. And so it's a process through the struggles that I've had, right, through the learnings that I've gone through the readings and all that. And I'm naming it something of the nature of the human developmental framework. Yeah.

“And it's based off of love, at its core, peace, love, however you want to define that, right?”

There's different definitions for that. And it goes through the aspects of beliefs, intentions, and perspectives. And then you have these pillars that you look at, right? I just give you a couple examples, one pillars, you're identity, who am I? Yeah.

Right? Another would be a purpose, talked about purpose. Another would be awareness. And through each pillar, you have these questions from your beliefs, your perspectives, and your intentions.

Yeah? What?

It sounds incredible, you know?

Looking forward to it. And you got a book here. What's this all about? So this is a book one of three memoir. And really, I thought, because Iranian American and with the geopolitical situations going

on right now with Iran and America. This childhood friend was Iranian. Yeah. And also shout out to the fatacars. That's great.

So I thought, you know what, this is a good time to start this. The memoir, again, this is from birth to about 19 years of age. It's between two revolutions in Iran and the American childhood between Washington and Tehran. And you can find it on.

And you need it more now than ever to, you know? Yeah, you get on Amazon. Yeah. Right on. Um, it's an emotional book, you know, if you pick it up and read it, you'll definitely

cry, laugh, combination of things reflect. And that's the whole process. The books are there just to show people how the human developmental framework even came to be. Yeah.

And sharing the stories without saying like, this is bad or that is bad, right? It's just sharing experiences without giving actual judgment. Mm-hmm. Right. That's not my place.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, being here, you can't, you can't judge on an insect success or, you know, honestly, people's stories and, and having the privilege to listen to everyone's stories, you can't judge anyone, man.

No. Because where people have come from, you don't know. No, exactly. Bro, you know. Exactly.

Honestly.

And it's all shapes of life, also, you know, so yeah, never judge unless that's your job

to judge on America's best time. Right. Right. Right. That's right.

That's the way. All right. Well, thank you for joining us, man. We've gone over time, but that's because you're a pleasure to talk to. I appreciate that.

And yeah, I can't wait for your episode to air. It's been a pleasure to speak to all these doctors on the show.

“And yeah, if you want to tune into his episode, I mean, it seems like it's going to”

be a great one. Hopefully, war, those really cool glasses that you got on right now. I did not for the episode, yeah, I thought it was like, I got, I got to try to be on some. And I got to see, yeah.

We'll talk after this and get some while I'll say detail.

You got a website as well?

Yeah. So the website is in thefeeling.org.

“I'm on TikTok at Dr. Saberi's Healing Journey.”

Okay. And on Instagram as well.

That's the most-- D.R. doctor? Yeah.

And how do you spot your guy's name?

S.A.B.E.R.I. All right.

“So we've got the lights to the knock-off now, but yeah, thank you guys for joining us also.”

And yeah, student, stay tuned for another episode of Living Your Legacy Podcast. We'll see you all. Thank you. Peace. [BLANK_AUDIO]