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Just by the skin of our teeth, and we've got a great show for you tonight, but first

let's get into it one week. Republicans held their first ever midterm convention in Dallas, which got off to a strong start with one of the L's in the word Dallas immediately fell off the podium by morning Google had changed the spelling of Dallas on all of their maps, but not to worry. As things soon took a turn for the normal, here's South Carolina Senator Tim Scott's

speech, but Texas, we know who God is. We're talking about Jesus. I said the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords out by him, they'll make up the beginning of the year. That's our God. That's America. We love our God. Again, this is an event about the midterms. Now, people can mock him, but this is exactly

what you sound like right after you've had sex for the first time. Scott continued.

“I think you will actually be hard to explain to future generations that the goal of this”

speech is to keep the top marginal tax rate below 40%. And prevent lowering the age of eligibility on public health insurance. Also, if you're going to do a speech where you scream your head off about Democrats destroying the world, you can't have a mild mannered cowboy standing beside you. It just is a strange contradiction. Now, later, a hype video at the event featured a thirst trap photo of Twitch streamer Hassan Piker for no apparent reason.

It's easy to see how this happened. They were trying to illustrate how scary the left is, but for Republicans scared and horny, our interchangeable feelings. The highlight of the event was Trump's hour and 44-minute speech where he issued this pledge. Only I can make this promise to you. And here is my promise. If the Republicans win the House of Representatives and the United States at it, both of them, because of our economic,

tremendous economic success, I will issue a dividend to every adult citizen in the United States of America for $5,000. Only adult citizens would have snubbed to everyone he met on Epstein's island. Now, you liberals mock our president, but when you add the $5,000 fake midterm dividend to the $5,000 fake doge dividend and the $2,000 fake tariff dividend, that's $12,000

fake dollars. He's pretending to put in the pockets of every single American. Maybe you co-stool elites should stop and think about what pretending to send $12,000 could mean to the typical American family. You're pretending to help pay for gas and groceries. You're

soccer league. Maybe Democrats aren't willing to pretend to care about these issues, but

Trump is. One caveat, giving every American adult $5 would cost over $1.3 trillion and require obviously the approval of Congress. But it is beneath us to explain why this is logistically challenging. A dividend such as this would royal in already fragile bond market. Don't worry, he's lying. It's like trying to explain to an Nigerian prince why he should work with a bank that doesn't require an advance to access his funds. And the funds in his account should

be more than enough to cover a line of credit. Good point, none of this is real. President Trump also used his remarks to go after Texas Democratic Senate candidate James Teleriko and after claiming that Teleriko hates Christianity and loves transgender children Trump made this odd claim as well. He was also somebody that hated eating meat. But he ran a campaign to beat meat. He called it beat meat. I don't know what the hell he

“meant by that. These people are going to tell me what the hell does he want to beat meat?”

But it was bad for his image, so he started eating meat. It's weird for Republicans to be against beating meat when this whole event is one big Trump's circle Turk. Love it or leave it on MS now. On Friday, Trump stepped off of Air Force One in New Jersey with noticeably darker hair prompting speculation as to whether Trump was kicking off his brunette era, a sudden extreme hair change. Oh my god, did he in Natalie break up? During a 9/11 tribute at the White House,

President Trump claimed that firefighters had rescued him during the recovery after the attacks. We thought it was coming down on top of us in two firemen, big strong guys, and I'm not the smallest guy in the world. They grabbed me under the arms, they got to get out of here, and they literally lifted me up. This is not easy to do. I'm big. They lifted me up and they started running with me. I said, fellas, I can run myself, but they were amazing. More like Lion 11.

And sir, please, you don't have to exaggerate your involvement in the events of September 11th. It was enough that you fought back against those hijackers on the plane. At least one former official has disputed the Trump played an active role in the recovery effort

in Lower Manhattan, telling the New York Times, quote, "I spent many months there myself and I never

witnessed him, though it's possible this official simply didn't recognize that it was Trump since in those days he was blonde." Meanwhile, former New York City Mayor and Melted Home Depot skeleton Rudy Giuliani went on newsmax to offer his thoughts about the city's current mayor, attending the 9/11 Memorial Service. "Should Mamdonis skip the ceremony? What do you think?" "Well, there's no question he should. Having lost friends there and being very close to many

“of the families. It offends me that he's coming." In fairness, I think it probably makes Rudy”

feel a little sad and jealous to hear about anybody coming. We're on the same channel as Rachel fucking mad out. Just to be clear, Zoram Mamdonis was nine years old on 9/11, which makes him the youngest hijacker. It's funny confirmed that he would attend the Memorial Service without responding directly to Giuliani. "I'm proud to be the mayor of the city. I love this city, I love this country. And what I want this week to be a focus on is on the families who's

loved ones were stolen from them 25 years ago in the horrific act of terror of September 11th,

and a focus also on the first responders who get everything they could to this city and to the

people who came together to try and help their fellow New Yorkers." Now, that sounds like something a decent empathetic patriotic mayor would say, but could it contain a hidden message? "What I want is September 11th." Oh my god. According to the Washington Post, recent financial disclosures revealed Trump gave his devoted aide Natalie Harp and two other

“staffers $45,000 a piece in cash gifts for the holidays. That's how they get you. First you pay”

for the human printer, but then you have to keep coming back to pay for more human printer cartridges. Experts say the gifts may violate a federal statute against supplementing federal salaries from outside sources, but I needed the money said Natalie Harp gazing up at a $45,000 oil painting of Donald Trump. In Apocalypse News, Jacob Cox in an AI researcher resigned from his job at Anthropocon Tuesday writing on social media quote, "The people building AI earnestly believe

that it could kill us all by the end of the decade." You hear the world's ending in a decade. I hear, I don't know where a sunscreen no more. And Anthropocon team leads still at the company,

I personally think it is greater than 10% within the next decade." Look, this is the cost of progress.

Sure, there's a 10% chance of destroying all life on Earth, but the new iPhone folds, so it's a trade-off. Could this technology create a disease that wipes out every last person? Sure, but, but, it could also

“cure that disease in the nick of time. And so, do you not want the cure?”

And this is getting real. Anthropoc said in a report published Thursday that the company shut down the work of several scientists who may have been using its AI models to build biological weapons. Boy, almost enough to make him miss the days when the biggest problem we created was eating disorders. Am I right, said Mark Zuckerberg, looking for and then not receiving a high-five? Now, you might be asking yourself, if they think the risk is so great, why don't

they stop? What a stupid question. Kelsey, one minute on the clock. Anthropocon stopped because

open AI won't stop an open AI can't stop because Anthropocon won't stop. And Anthropocon open AI can't stop because Google and Meta won't stop an America can't stop because China won't stop. And so, what should happen is an international negotiation on AI guardrails combined with an enforcement regime that bound signatories during this apparently limited window in which the

“risk is shared and we still have control over the technology and the frontier models. The ones”

proving formulas and terrifying executives are still run by a few big organizations. Combined with federal oversight of AI companies to prevent catastrophic harm and before, the very bad harms like scams and cybercrimes and swarms of AI getting loose and trying to solve for declining water levels and lake meat by turning off all of ventilators in the state of Colorado. And while that regulatory regime is being built, these companies

would agree to interim control so that the excuse of competition no longer justify racing toward oblivion while putting out releases with self-satisfied transparency to let us know that sadly, a few rogue agents escaped and are now in all the pacemakers. But of course, this demands aggressive, aggressive, focused, thoughtful leadership. And as with a pandemic, this hinge point for humanity happened to hit the timeline when Donald Trump is president

and when we're not allowed to use the best word we have to describe what he's like. We'll look on the bright side, the new iPhone folds in less apocalyptic news. Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh on Tuesday, blocked Missouri election officials from using a new congressional map backed by Trump that was redrawn to eliminate a democratic seat. Classic Brett. New I like that guy. Brett. Brett. Brett. Come on MS now. Brett. Brett.

Brett. Stop it. And so Missouri would have to use the old maps as required by a state Supreme Court decision authored by Judge Ginger Gooch. That's right. Ginger Gooch. The Honorable Ginger Gooch. I'll show them. I'll go to law school and become a judge and then no one can make fun of my name said a young, wrong, ginger, Gooch. But then most after Kavanaugh's ruling imposed the old map, a Trump appointed district court judge,

kicked Missouri right in the Gooch and imposed the new map. And not to draw. But Ginger Gooch is married to a man named Chad Munzi, which means she chose to keep the name Gooch. But that's our Ginger Gooch. She Gooch is to the beat of her own Gooch. The chaos came to an end on Thursday when the Supreme Court once again stepped in to block the new map. The original map will remain in place through the November election.

Sorry, Missouri Republicans, as they say in the show, me state better Gooch next time. The campaign of Democratic Congresswoman Marie Glusin Camp Perez is selling 10 nicotine pouch holders that say Marie Glusin Camp Perez. This gives me an idea said Delaware Senator Lisa Blunt, Rochester. At a launch event on Wednesday, Apple unveiled the iPhone duo, yes, the first foldable smartphone from the company, starting at $2,000. The phone comes with an

AI system that apples new CEO John Ternis is calling quote, "your intelligent personal hub" in a nod to Steve Jobs. Ternis added, "Oh, and one more thing. This will kill all humans." And last but not least, MMA fighter Cole Johnson said he was offered $500,000 to fight an

actual chimp in a paper view bout on 9/11, half a million as a lot. But his opponents offer was bananas.

The fight was proposed by Johnson, who claimed he could beat a chimp in a fight, while experts warn that he would, in fact, face mortal danger as an aggressive chimp might rip his

“face and hands and gooch right off. Now, that's how you honor 9/11 said an excited Rudy Giuliani,”

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from the end of the world. All right, my first guest, used to read him to filth in Congress.

Now she's just turning the page on a new chapter. Here to suffer through all my bookponds, it's Katie Porter. Hi! Good to see you! Good to see you! Hi! All right, welcome to the show! So, has it been nice getting to catch up on your reading rather than having to campaign for governor? Yes, like every aspect of my life is actually better, and that makes me really sad that like public services actually that hard and campaigning is that hard. So, yeah, every aspect of

“my life is better. Yes. Yeah, you still would have preferred to win.”

Well, because I'm competitive as fuck. Yeah. So, yes, but I mean, look, like I also, I really believe, and you know, this from when I first ran, like I ran because I wanted to make some laws. I didn't run because I wanted to be elected. Like I did not come out of the womb in a navy blue jacket with like a little sticker that says vote for me. I didn't really want to be elected. I wanted to fix stuff. So, now I just need to rethink about how I can fix stuff from my job as a law professor,

which is something I did when I was a law professor last time. So, the research I did when I was a law professor a decade plus ago exposed the big banks for cheating people during the foreclosure process and helped hold them accountable and past things like the homeowner Bill of Rights in California and help bring about the national attorney general settlement and kept people in their homes. And so, I will find there's no shortage of corporate run-doers. Like I will find some other cheater

and expose them. I remember when I interviewed twice with the beginning of the campaign towards the end of the campaign. And I remember feeling like that because you were constantly getting asked about these stories from how you had treated staff and you to apologize many times and addressed it many times but you're constantly being asked about it. But I remember feeling like something's happening with you. There's a part of you that's a little bit missing in this campaign.

Like there's a ferocity that was something that was special about how you were in Congress that you were kind of holding back. And I wonder if you felt that and have thought about that.

It just when we're searching for somebody who has nothing interesting, we just want to like the the most stable thing. Then that doesn't necessarily sound a good fit for me. Like I am not for everybody. I am for the people. Like I am for democracy before. I am for

“campaign finance. I am for fossil fuels stopping us all from melting down. And so I think it was”

hard to articulate some of that in that very cabin environment. But I also will say like Tom Steyer coming in with billions of dollars and being is saying whatever he felt like with no possible consequence. It also really affected the race. And those two things were intended to be and were at the same time. So part of he silenced me by leaking that video and part of that was then there was a lot of space for him and he used the space to his credit. So I also think the last part about it is

I thought the governor's campaign really should be about policy. I was very frustrated in Congress that most of what we talked about boiled down to we suck less than Trump. Which is the great

virtue of being true. Okay, which is not something you can always say. We suck more we suck less

than Donald Trump. And I got frustrated in Congress that it wasn't often about policy. And so for

“governor I really wanted it to be about policy and I don't think that's what the election ended up”

being about at all, at all about policy because I think if you look at the array of us, I don't agree with Antonio Villagorosa about a lot of stuff. But Antonio had real policy ideas. He had policy things he had done as mayor of LA that did not not speak to people, right? I think the candidates who kind of came in, Eric Spawwell initially, then Bessera, these were probably the candidates with the fewest policies. And so that's not to speak to like good or bad or how someone's going

to lead or any of that. It's just to say that I wanted it to be a policy contest and there wasn't any app. There was no follow-up question John. So like to be spicy you have to have a little bit of a back and forth. And I would say like I want to make tuition free and people would say but you know you were not nice ones. So that's a really tough, you know, that's a really tough dynamic. It was totally appropriate. I was asked about it. It was totally appropriate that I

acknowledged it and apologized and gave some context to it like wholly appropriate. But six debates in started to feel like we don't really want to talk about California's policy problems and what Democrats should do about it. We just want to sort of have some kind of like 7 everybody who is a real human with real flaws falls through the holes. And I was one of those people because I've

always been a real human with real flaws. And so you're saying that you just don't believe

there was no way for you to get past that story and that and you think that is and how much of that do you think is because you're a woman running for governor? All of it. I mean in other words, all of it. I do not this morning I got a little notification that was like you were mentioned on TV and I thought to myself leave me alone. That was literally my first thought like leave me alone. Like I have exited what do you want from me, right? And I got out of it with some CNN house

spouting off about Amy Kloberture and how she wasn't nice to his staff for once and now agizing it to me. So instead of like I'm like Kloberture now Kloberture's like me and I'll be honest like I think Amy Kloberture's really smart and really talented leader and I think she's going to make

an amazing governor. And I was like you know all of it because I said to someone like this whole

like ability. Did you read yesterday? I know we're going to talk books later but did you guys be guest or hear the number of people who are like the woman wasn't very likable? I don't like who cares? Like that isn't the point. The point isn't to be likable. It's to be competent. It's to be thoughtful. It's to be efficient. It's to be fierce. It's to be righteous. It's like

“it doesn't mean you should go around being a jerk. You shouldn't. And we all fall short.”

There is nobody who has not been a jerk at some point in their professional or personal life. Nobody. But it shouldn't define all of who you are. And I felt like I was reduced to that one moment. What do you think about Steve Hilton? So I actually so I actually think Steve is one of the better Republicans we've seen in California. Now low bar. Low bar on the floor. But look, Hilton is putting ideas out there. Do I think outsourcing driving tests to like 7/11 or

But I think Hilton, like here's my point. Is it a good idea to reduce registration fees to

$73? I don't know. I don't know. But is it an idea? People pay $200, $300, $400, $500, $600 a year in registration fees? Like that is $500 or $400 or $200 back in your pocket if we reduce registration fees.

“Like it's an idea. Should we have no taxes on Californians earning less than $100,000?”

It's really hard to make ends meet if you're earning less than $100,000. I thought that was actually an ideal worth debating. So. And we debate it. You and I debate it. Yeah, so I don't know that we have to embrace Hilton's ideas per se to acknowledge that his presence in this race putting forth ideas. Is it a good thing? And look down, Trump's no tax on tips. Is a matter of tax policy? I'm taking tax law this semester for fun. Like I'm auditing it.

We'll tell you, the students are pretty smart. It's pretty hard in there. I'm in the back row and I'm definitely kind of a back venture. But like, is it a good idea to not tax tips? We can debate that as a matter of tax policy, but give it to Donald Trump. It was an idea. Right. This idea of treating of paying people who are stay in home caregivers. Is that a good idea about that idea? At least it's an idea. So my challenge to Democrats is, what do you have

for ideas? Oh, yeah. No, it's a huge problem. They don't have a lot of ideas. I mean, they have we're going to hold Trump accountable. Okay. Which is a great, but we did that. We did that. We did that.

“Right. And we've tried it. Some candidates have talked about Medicare for all, which I think is a great”

idea, but it's not exactly new. Right. So even candidates who've run on more of a crisp platform. And I would put like, I'll say it in this category. Money in your pocket because the two fairies are going to put it there. How? How is that money going to get to your pocket? So I think this is, I think people are going to sail through the midterms running on Trump sucks. I know I ran in 18 on Trump sucks. That is a winning midterm message because he is the sitting president and he

does in fact suck. All right. Easy message. But this presidential is really going to be interesting because Democrats must find a vision of a better America for all of us, or people are going to be at risk of drifting back to the next Republican in line. And so if I'm a presidential candidate, I am hiring the smartest policy people I can find. Forget going and giving hugs in self, I mean, a Gavin hug is very nice if you haven't had one. It's so easy on the eyes. Very nice

if you're straight lady to get hugged by Gavin. But like policy idea, like a vision of a better

“America. Yeah. And I think that is where I'm seeing every Democrat struggle. Yeah, it is, I would”

say it is a sort of a natural consequence. Like I was part of the 2007-2008 Democratic primary and that was a policy debate about healthcare. And yes, you Obama and Clinton were very aligned. On policy, it was a really kind of debate about the direction of like the center left, like what it would mean to be a kind of a progressive liberal. But it was a lot of policy. Like I, to this day, like I remember how much time in the Senate office and then on that campaign, we were thinking about

different aspects of healthcare policy, climate policy, energy, all the rest. The lack of that 2020 was a referendum on Trump. As was 2016, 2024, we didn't have that primary because Joe Biden stayed in. We are just doing long overdue for a big, rockist policy debate. It's funny, but it's

also, because it Congress the answer was always like, we can't do that because it would cost money

or we can't do that because we don't have the money, but it's also a failure of imagination. And this is, I think, part of what was animating in the California governor race. People were just like, let's hang on to what we've got. Like we're hanging on by our fingernails. And so let's just hang on. Let's not try anything, let's not take any risks, let's not be bold. But I think we're in a place where we have to. I mean, even if you look at international affairs, like the old

world, like remember we had the war on, you know, communism, then we had the war on terror, whatever that was, right? What are we even doing? Like, who are we trying to be on the world stage? And that is a really important question for Democrats to answer. And even a decision to elect Joe Biden, who I thought was a terrific president. Okay, I was policies, the things he put forth in Congress, terrific, and I wish Congress had given him more of what he wanted. I think he was

sort of like the no time. I didn't say he was a terrific political leader. Well, but I was going to say he's only the perfect president. He was a little bit like that last bond movie, and that like

the first half was so good, and the second half was so bad. Because the second half was about what

a one, a, a thing stand alone film, and that was where the problem went. But I mean, you know, Joe Biden, even the idea is he was trying out things like infrastructure really important, but not answering some of these big questions we have coming forward. So I mean, when I hear Democratic candidates say, when I get elected, I will put back your ACA subsidies. I'm like, oh my god, like the ACA did not make health care more affordable. It did not make it not,

it may help some people, but it didn't drive down the total cost of health care, which is still eating up too much of America's. Yeah, it made out care affordable for a lot of people. It did not, it did not do what we would joking you refer to as sending the cost curve. Yes, which is so that

“is that's the next task, right? So it isn't to take away from the ACA. It's to be additive, right?”

And the same thing I would say about, you know, the work of holding Trump accountable is lovely, but the bigger project is what should a democracy look like? Like Trump has exposed all these fault lines in our democracy, fix them so that no other scumbag can go through them, right? Because there's plenty more where Trump came from. You're a person at the seams. You're, you're bored at home with your books. Maybe. All right, now an honor of your new chapter

are we vacated to make book recommendations for people who really need them. In a segment we're calling throw the book at them complimentary. I'm not throwing anything at anybody. No, we're not. We're not. I don't do that. No. Ever. Ever. And shame on you. No. No, I will read you a name and you will recommend a book. You think this person really needs to read. Yes, we are making assumptions about people, but sometimes you can judge a book by its cover. You know, you don't see a dragon

“knight having sex with a fairy queen on the cover of Warren Peace. You know what I'm saying?”

All right, first up, the Democratic candidate for Governor Havier Bacera.

So I brought my book bag. And I, I went and got physical copies. So let me see what I have for Havier. Okay, for Havier, I have very timely. The heat will kill you first. This is the man who said, we need Chevron. He said, I need Chevron. We need Chevron. I need Chevron to stop making it hot. So this is a fabulous book, Jeff Goodell. He wrote a second book about water. So if we don't burn to a crisp, we're all going to die in a flood. It's not the most up book, but it's not likeable.

We, it's not likeable. We have to confront the reality that our status quo, the Democratic status quo on climate. Again, we better than our Republicans status, you know, quo. But the

Democratic status quo, if we keep going where we've been going, the heat will kill us first.

Next up, we have Donald Trump. Oh, oh, I have a good one for Donald. No, David. So if I had a little whiteboard here, I, you know, I've been cross it off right, I would write, I don't want to face the library book, because again, I behave. No, no, David is a book about somebody who just needs to listen when they're told no. I like that. And it's at his level.

Next up, let's do a Gavin Newsom. So for the governor, I brought this book, which is called Dodge County Inc. This is Gavin's strength, is that he knows a lot about policy in the West. And the West is big, and we have a lot of interesting policy problems, but he's going to be spending a lot of time in a lot of other states. This is a book set in Minnesota, and it is about big agriculture and the destruction of family farms, even though that is now sadly pretty much

“complete. And in the past, I think this book really shows the effect that it had on the psyche”

of people in the Midwest, whether they were farmers or not, sort of the arrival of big ag

into the Midwest. And so Dodge County Inc. Finally, do you have any book recommendations for

John Loveett? Yes, I do. So politics is really unfun, right now. So I brought you this, town and country. It is about a gay man who runs against a Republican in a swing congressional seat. So you can tell it's imaginary, because there are almost none of those left anymore. And I believe triumphs. I'm only halfway through it. You actually, I'm not even halfway through it. You can see my bookmark. But it is delightful. So if politics is, if the reality of the midterms is too much for

you, fiction. That's exciting. I would have read it. The midterms coming country. Thank you, Katie Porter for being here. That was great. Very talk to you. And we'll be right back. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Loveett or Leave It coming up.

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“And we're back. My goal in life is to be the white gay Larry Wilmore, but we've got someone”

even better from the daily show the nightly show and also this show. It's Larry Wilmore. Thank you very much. Thank you. Hi. Hey, how's it going? Good to have you back.

Nice to be here. Nice new set. Yeah, look at this. Look at this. Next stage is amazing.

Over here. It's really nice. Yeah, there's a lot of there. You can set your drink down on. Now, it's not just having a totally normal midterm gathering of the jugglers in Texas. Yes. What did you thought of the festivities? I think it's amazing to me. I feel like the Republicans heard that somebody said God was non-binary so they had to get together. It's like this big emergency thing. Just to prove God has a penis. I don't understand what's going on.

Did you see tips? God, God, that's a penis. And Jesus has a wee wee. Every body has a wee. It's so crazy. It's like so when God birthed the universe apparently was a cesarian because the only way could happen, I suppose. It's crazy. Yeah, it's funny because maybe there's an inappropriate reaction. But when I saw the Tim Scott speech, where he's like the alpha in the Omega, you know, and he's sort of doing this sort of deeply kind of sort of Christian

nationalist speech about America. A little part of me was like, I want to show this to some of the Jews in Michigan who are a little concerned about Abdul. And just be like, hey guys, listen, listen. Let's just keep in mind that on one side is Elon Musk who's like, she's like kind of engaging with bigoted accounts on Twitter that are like, actually Jews are technically semi-white. And it's like, and then you have this sort of Christian nationalism down there in Dallas. What side do you want to

really be on? You know, just what's good for the Jews? Yeah. Well, I think it's more mega nationalist than Christian nationalists. Like even Christians are like, what are they even talking about? You know, but it's all the adoration of Trump and Trumpism. And this is his last shot.

“You know, that's why, you know, they're ramping it up. I think even a whole notch, he gets to crown”

like his successor, whatever. So this is all celebration. All this stuff. It's just show for Trump. It's it's emperor play. It's really what it is to me. Like, um, and Jews will not replace us by the way,

you know, just so you know. No, and I've always had that. So Kimlin is monologue revealed that he

couldn't interview Tau Rico on the show. So we'll only go out on YouTube because of, uh, I guess a threat from the FCC. Right. Uh, and so it's the way Jimmy said it was something along lines of look that in order to avoid putting the affiliates in a bad position, they're just going to put it on

We're, I mean, the FCC is going after people just for having interviews. You know, when the

“smothers brothers, they had problems with the, um, with CBS, I think it was at the time. I mean,”

they were talking, you know, about the war and Vietnam and that sort of thing. And the president of the United States was having issues with them, you know, also was coming down. But it's in like the, the subject matter was more, it had more substance to it right now. We're talking about just straightforward interviews. There's not even anything controversial about what Kimlin is doing. So it's

very, it's this absurdist universe of censorship that I've never seen before. And once again,

I think it's just a service Trump. It's not at the service of something else of, of like, um, like if Talleriko's there telling secrets about the military that might harm our, you know, our soldiers or something like that. Yeah. Or making, you know, doing that type of material. It's, it's absurdist theater that we're living in now. Yeah. It also, it's, it is so clearly for Trump or to prove something to Trump or to kind of perform for the right, you know, because

if an interview with James Talleriko goes out on Jimmy Kimmel to his audience, I don't know how much influence that would, that one interview would have in a Texas center race, but a big national news cycle about Talleriko not being on Kimmel. And then a YouTube that gets

even more views because of this controversy is certainly not unhelpful to the Talleriko campaign.

The alternative being, I guess, that Jimmy Kimmel would have to invite Ken Paxton on, which he should not be forced to do in order to please the FCC. But let's say he did have Ken Paxton on, I don't think Ken Paxton is well-served by interviews with Ken Paxton, which is why he does so few of them. It is doing so little campaigning. Even Trump says on the on the stage, he's like, he's not a great speaker. He doesn't dress well. He's not particularly

good looking. Right. Oh, but he's pretty good on some other stuff, you know? And so it's obviously not serving the interest that it would be, you know, it's not, it doesn't seem to serve their political purpose. So now you're somebody that keeps it 100, as you say. Thank you very much.

“Are there Democrats out there in politics who you think are doing a good job of being real right now?”

That is a very good question. The Democrats are very difficult time of keeping it 100. That is, you know, meaning what they say and saying what they mean, right? Having both of those happen at the same time. Those are usually called gaffs, right? Yeah. Yeah, it was Kinsey Gaff. There used to be a term called the Kinsey Gaff, which is a gaff is when you accidentally tell the truth. When you accidentally tell the truth,

right? You mean what you say and you use the words that convey that meaning, both of those things are true. I would say the closest is my and I'm done. How do you say his name? I'm done. Yeah. I think he's the closest to me. He's pretty consistent. I haven't seen him be tripped up about something or hedge in something. Even if you agree or disagree, he seems the most in terms of authentically and this is tough because, you know, you can run one way and then

govern another, right? You know, usually you see people change because they have to present themselves to the audience in order to get votes, right? He's been pretty consistent on both sides of of everyone I've seen out there Democrats, not that he would be on the national stage. He can't run for president. He seems the most consistent in terms of keeping it 100. Yeah, it's, I do think it's, it speaks to, it speaks to the problem we're talking about with Katie Porter earlier,

which is, if you are looking for politicians who are like that right now, you are more likely to find them on the left, right? Bernie Sanders, I think, is like that. Mom, Donnie, I would agree. And what's interesting, Mom, Donnie is he has obviously tacked, especially on issues like policing, but when he talks about it, I think he is sincerely talking about the choice to support the

“police commissioner that was already there the reason you have to get behind the police while”

performing, but talking about reform. So it's not to say he is in sort of moderating politically uncertain issues to achieve his more loved agenda, but no, I agree. He's trying to be sincere and represent what he's talking about. Yeah, he could be a little bullshitting that issue because it's New York. You can't mess around with that issue, you know, and some of the things that the left side of the party has said that might alienate them with the police. I don't know if he's aligned

himself so much in those areas. So he's been able to steer clear of some of those traps, I guess you could say. But one lesson I took away from the Kamala campaign, and this is I think partly because of her, but mostly I would say just the conditions in which she had to run, but the less clear your worldview, the harder every question becomes. That's true. Right. And so, you know,

being unable to figure out where she should be critical of the Biden administration, not having

enough time to really chart her own policy agenda and path, it turned every, every all of a sudden, she's hemmed in on every side, no matter the question, no matter the topic, and so there's no

speak to the problem Democrats have more broadly because I know what drives the left, but I'm curious what you see is like sort of are there Democrats who you feel like are, you know, the closest

“honestly I would say like Chris Murphy is someone who I think has a clear kind of ideology,”

but is not from the left, right? I think people to judge is very careful, but I think he is sincerely thinking about how to shape an agenda that reflects what he believes in, what do you think?

Well, the Democrats, they're very disappointing because they can never take yes for an answer,

you know, they clearly have the advantage right now and they say, you know, let's fight with each other. Let's not take that easy win, let's pull each other down, you know, it's really surprising to me, and no one's coming on and really leading with policy. I mean, Katie was talking about this too, policy and ideas being forward thinking in that sort of thing, you know, I don't know why that is, I would love to see that. The anti-Trump thing has, we have to get past that now because he's

going to be gone, he's not going to be a factor. So we need some people out there leading with vision, you really need somebody with vision right now, he's not afraid to stand in a two feet, maybe not as be popular right away, but get followers, you got to get those followers. I was disappointed with the comic campaign because to me, her strength was when she was on that scenic committee and she was her prosecutor self, you know, yeah, that's her net, she was to me,

that's her superpower is there and she was like, man, and I was like, yeah, this is, I love this, but it seemed like once you get handlers around you and you're running for prison and everybody has

to say and they got a stress test, everything, you've been around that stuff, you know, it's amazing

by the way, Obama made it through all that and somehow came out okay, but he was shaken up a lot in the beginning, he took a lot of like, like, shells coming in, you know, I remember, but he was able to keep a sense of himself and the most special part of himself, that inspirational visionary was able to get through that, you know, I don't know if Connell had that, but she certainly had more substance than we would let in on in the ability to be a bad ass, which I wanted the bad

ass come, I didn't want her trying to make me like her be friends, I don't need to be your friend, be a bad ass, we got some MFs, you know, that we got to do with right now and I need you to be a bad ass. Now, Larry, you had a segment I love on the nightly show called Keep It 100 where you would challenge your guests to answer questions that actually make them squirming personally, I'm squirming all the time, that's a medical term for how why I sit in this chair this way. This time around

however, we're both going to be put to the test and a segment we're calling it Keep It 100 or Leave It. Oh wow. So you'll ask me a challenging question and I'll ask you one and we'll go back and forth until we're sort of very tense. Okay, you want me to go first? Sure.

“Okay, you wrote for both President Obama and Hillary Clinton, who's the bigger asshole?”

So I'm going to say quick, I'm going to say quick as possible. Okay. Neither one was ever an asshole. Okay. Okay. However, Barack Obama is so even, right? There was and even in sort of stressful circumstances that idea of like kind of Obama as this level headed guide that was true behind the scenes and in public with Hillary Clinton, there was definitely hard, very frustrated moments where that would come out. And actually, I remember the first time one of those was directed at me,

I remember someone pulled me aside and said, you're you're good. Actually, you know, trust you as someone that she can be really direct with even in like a really hard and stressful moment. And so they neither one was ever an asshole. Okay. Okay. But on this, but just sort of to answer your question, who would have been, who could have at some point been a little harsher to me? It was for sure. Yeah. So she was a bigger dick. See, I would not, you know, you only use my words. I don't have to

use your right now. I'm just kidding. This is my show. You kept it 100. Yeah. Thank you. All right.

“Let's see. Are you ever afraid to reveal more conservative views publicly for fear of a backlash?”

That's a good question. Sometimes, sure. You know, I've always been what I call center left

for a while. I was more center right. I think in the 90s. I realized I was more center left because the issues that I care about the most, some of the social issues, I thought the left had the moral high ground on that. So I just kind of naturally fell on that. And a lot of those came out, I think, during the odds. But I have a lot of respect for conservative philosophical thought, especially as well as liberal thought. You know, I've gone down both of those rabbit holes

equally. But you're not wrong. Sometimes, yeah, I've been shy about sometimes being as forthright on some issues on the right than I have been on the left for sure. Because you're afraid that it'll alienate the people. Well, like you. It's like sometimes why dig a hole if you don't have to.

is the best way to express something. Like, Twitter's one of the worst. So if I'm going to say something thoughtful, I want to be in the right environment to say it. I can't, I don't want to say it in an environment where, you know, the conversation is a mess. That type of thing. But sometimes, you know, you just do what you can. You know, but that's a great question. Well, I hundred there.

“I think if you gave us one example, I feel like that's a 90 or an 80.”

I don't know if there's an example. I'd say, so some of the gender issues, I don't even want to weigh in on because it's too much of a hot bed. Like, why weigh in on that? And I think most people are nuanced on that issue. But people want to pick fights. The one time I spoke up, I spoke a couple times in the trans issues. I think the most famous one is against Milo, Janapos, the guy I'm Bill Marr. And I was just making, I didn't like the way he was attacking

trans people by using small examples. There's always bad actors in every group. And anytime you

use bad actors to blame the whole group, I just think that's wrong. And I think the whole trans arguments, you know, are just filled with too much emotions of people wanting to fight on it. So I just don't weigh in a lot, you know, but I have a lot of empathy and sympathy for that movement. I think it's 100. And thank you. I also, one last question. So your executive producer in our show called Reasonable Down. Yeah. You think that this is this Lindsey

Cancer, Lindsey Clancy trial, drawing more attention. What? No, I just find that fascinating, that trial. Now, there's an issue that divides people in an interesting way. Those are the things that interest to me too, because it's not political. It's a cultural divide, a little bit of gender maybe, but intro gender, women against women, in some cases. But I mean, what an interesting case. I feel like it's going to be one of these huge cases,

years from now we're going to look back and something's going to, the world's going to be a little

“different, I think after this case, then before it feels like one of those times a case,”

I'm fascinated by the case. Well, reasonable doubt, season four is on Hulu and October. And you go to At Larry Wilmore and Instagram for your live dates, because you're doing stand up. Yes. And magic, too. And magic, stand up and magic. Yeah. We'll be right back. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It Or Leave It, coming up.

And we're back.

First of all, let's welcome Katie back to the stage.

They say there's a time for every season, a time to laugh and a time to cry. Tonight is time to rant, because it's time for the rant wheel. Larry Katie, the wheel will turn the wheel will land on one of our faces. We will have 60 seconds

“on the clock to rant about the topic of your choosing. Are you ready?”

This format really suits me. Yes, I think it does, too. All right, let's spin the wheel. Katie, what would you like to rant about? I would like to rant about the billionaire's tax in California. Billionaires get to be rich. They're whole lives. And yet, all we can come up with is a one time tax. And what are we going to do with the money? We're going to give it all to the same health

care conglomerates that have been screwing us for a bunch of years. I believe in progressive taxation. I think the wealthy should pay more. I think wealth inequality and income inequality are serious. Maybe the most serious problem is holding back the American economy. And if I'm in post billionaires tax, then I want some real shift for it. I want free child care. I want free college. I want to deal, I want a full electrification of our economy. I don't just want

to take it and keep the current corrupt, broken, busted health care system afloat for a whopping another month or two. And meanwhile, all the billionaires flee to wherever they park their yachts offshore. So, yes to taxing billionaires, but let's not do such a piss-port job of it. All right, there it is. I agree with that. So, people in California, if you're in California or outside of California, there is a ballot measure that is going to impose a one-time billionaires

tax. And that would be used to deal with some of the shortfalls in our health care system. But it has, you know, it is a very easy thing to demagogue, which has been happening on it,

because if you oppose it, oh, you know, post taxing the billionaires, but it is an incredible,

like it is a stupid policy to do a one-time tax. As if we've like fixed all of California's problems, we just need a little bit to make up the difference. No, we have all the same problems yesterday, as we're going to have tomorrow. We're just going to grab some cash one time. And it's like, oh, you oppose this. Why? Because you're a Neil Libshell? Well, maybe a little. No. But it's a, it's, it's,

saying that. Let's spin it again.

Larry, what do you got? Yeah, it's three of us. The wheel serves no purpose. We've never cracked the

fucking wheel. Why is there a wheel? We just did three of us were going to go in order. It's the same order every time. Oh, I remember the old wheel. It's so many parts of everybody do. Okay, I'm going to talk about Trump. Okay, because I think we have to speak about him more honestly. We have to stop calling him a fascist, racist, sexist, all these things. And by the way, this is a non-political segment. It's very non-partisan. You know, I think we've been divided enough so I want to just

speak directly, even to the people that support him. Trump is stupid, you guys. He's stupid. Let's just

“say that. That's what he is. He's just dumb. That's what we're in trouble about. There's nobody”

upstairs anymore. There's no one. If someone was there, there's just a crazy squatter living up there. We have to do with this problem. He's not a fascist. That's smart enough to be a fascist. He's not. He's not clever enough to be a racist. Maybe a lazy racist at the most. Which president wasn't a sexist? Please tell me the one. So we have to use the right words with Trump. We have a stupid person in the Lake America. No, take his crayons away. It's Lake Ontario. Stop doing that. You know,

where this is like, you know, with Biden, it was weakened to Bernie's, you know, little bit of that, whatever. But now we're dealing with the bigger problem. A dumb dumb dumb dumb. Yeah. That's what I'm supposed to be honest. Let's agree with that. What I was thinking is, okay, there's a squatter in

his brain. What's in the squatter's brain? Let's spit it again. Here's what I would like to

“round about. I was at the Minnesota State Fair this weekend. And I had a lovely time. But there's”

something that I noticed there that I hadn't yet observed. And I do think it's something we need to begin talking about, which is what I would call the SUV evocation of strollers. There was a time when you would see kids in strollers, or there would be kind of a double stroller, kind of a, you know, a double wide. And you have two kids signed by side. Occasionally, you'd have the kind of kind of, I don't know, uh, interesting arrangements. The kids would be face to face. These, these are kids being

moved around in cargo, cargo shipping boxes. They're taking up half the causeway. It's a crowded

state fair. I got a pronto pup in one hand. I'm trying to move navigate. And you got like basically

traffic, like you're at the fucking port of Long Beach, because you have these giant ships moving through the lanes. What has happened? And then by the way, like, fine, you got four kids. You got four

“kids in this fucking thing. Sometimes there's just one kid in there. And he's like, he's flying”

jet blue mint. It's like, and also, we're at the fair. Walk around. I don't know what's going on with these big giant things. To people know about these big giant things, the kids are being moved around in. Uh, and that's the right wheel. Yeah. Uh, one more time for Katie Porter. And look around that. And we're back. Woo! Uh, now it's time for a segment we call second thoughts. This is where we run through the places where I've made mistakes throughout the episode where the producers have

given me questions or topics about which I might express some misgivings. Uh, first of all, I said, uh, I joked about Tim Scott having sex when uh, the producers believe Tim Scott is perhaps still a virgin. Uh, I said circle jerk on MS now. Uh, I did an 9/11 pun. Oh, lie in 11. Uh, that's so big. I made. I was all think about Rudy Giuliani. Um, yeah.

And I have to wear sunscreen still. I know that. And I know that. And I especially, I, you know, especially with a retinal, but even still have to do the sunscreen every day. And I let us in a chant for Brett Kavanaugh. Probably on a stank. Uh, Larry, thank you so much for being here. This was a blast. Fun. Thank you to Katie Porter. There are 53 days into the midterms. And we will be back next week with Giulio White and Miss Pat.

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