Why AI Needs Your Creativity to Scale with John Lee - E157

who's able to go, I need that person, that person, that person to create the melody.

“Think about it. We've gone from the industrial age to the information age, and now we're”

now the creator. I say created because AI is just a canvas and a paintbrush. That's all I see,

but it's an incredible one. Have you noticed that the world that we live in has been doing most

of the thinking for you, that your beliefs, perceptions, reactions, fears, and doubts have been shaped by unsolicited outside noise? How easy it's been for you to slip into that default sleep walking mode and label it as life and reality. Yeah, that ends here. Welcome to the make sense with Dr. JC podcast. This is your opportunity to start thinking for yourself, reclaim control, and step back into that role as the shot caller and dominant force of your own reality. It's when you change the way

that you look at things, that the things that you look at begin to change. So let's wake up, let's rise up, and let's make sense of why and how shift happens. Welcome to the make sense with Dr. JC podcast. My good friend, all the way from London, and I see a Captain America shield in the back. I like that. The amazing John Lee, John, thanks so much for being here. Oh, brother, thank you so much for having me. I just want to start off

with giving some context to who you are. I mean, a lot of people are seeing you all over the place. Definitely on social media, you're one of the most interesting faces in the mind-family family right now, and you're traveling all over the world, and so many people are raving, you're at the creative con of that, and by far everybody's favorite speaker there, by the way, so much positive feedback. I'd like to kick this off by just asking you, how did you navigate your way to this moment where

“so much of your life is dedicated towards AI implementing it for yourself, but teaching other”

people as well? I mean, you're one of the most sought-after speakers on the topic. How did you navigate yourself from where you were to where you are now? You know, it's a little bit like, I've heard there's this phrase of scratching your own HTC. It's kind of like, I have these on my own problems, and I'm like, how can I do something, because if you think about AI, there's only five things you need to know. One is how do you communicate with AI? Two is any task that is repetitive

can now be replaced. Three is, how do we vibe cold things in a way that we can create a solution for our own tech stack? I'll talk about that in a little bit a moment. Fourth is creating this knowledge base, and number five is how do we find June and put everything together? And so it's kind of like, I want to do things for myself. I give it an example. I create a lot of content and social media, but I don't like editing stuff. Yes, I have a team to do that, and yes, they've graded it.

But how do we do it at scale? So I'm like, you know what, I'm just going to build an app that I can film a piece of content, drop it in, and then it can use AI to do AI, be-rolls based on my transcription, based on what I say, and then it can just edit everything together. And so my team and I, we built that, and that is scratching my own itch. So, and I kind of think of all these things that even things that emails like, the simplest thing that we could all replace right now,

Jc is, by simply never having to read or write emails ever again, right? We just take

our AI, it can read our emails, it can draft the response, and it can send it back for us. Like, why do we have to manually go in the same thing? It's like Slack and things like, click up and things like that. Like, what, why are going to manually do it? Why not just bridge the

“gap with an AI to tell me what are the most important messages I need to reply to right now?”

Everything else can wait. You ask me how did I kind of get into all this? It's a timeshaving thing. Right. I mean, a timeshaving important, and I want to maximize my time and have all the stuff that doesn't require my time to be automated. Yeah, it seems logical, but also there's a big gap that a lot of people have, and it's mostly what I see the fear of the unknown. But I guess one of

the things that I'd like to just point out is, you didn't always do this. So, how did you transition

from what you used to do into this? It sounds to me like it was something that you were doing to create efficiency and automate some of the things in your own life. So, take us back to what you used to do before this and how you discovered AI and what made you decide that you wanted to help other people with it? Well, before, I mean, I started as a computer. I mean, I worked, you know, films, special effects, games, and I realized that technology is powerful. Like it used to take

anything on my mind and I can create it and it will be done within an hour. Right. And I'm talking about full concept, inception, to finish thing. So, we're now moving at the speed and, you know, there's a saying that says, you know, speed loves money. Right. And so, AI allows us to do that. So, before I was kind of doing things like manually and, you know, before I'd have to have one of my team members do this and do that and do that. And now, that kind of an AI that works with my team

“that can produce the output 10 times faster. So, how did I get into all of this?”

You know, first of all, I invested in a company many, many years ago. This is like, you know,

pre 2020. Right. What I knew that back then, there was this copywriting called JavaScript. And I was like, wow, this can write copy better than me. And, you know, I've trained my whole wife to do this. And I really saw something interesting that we're now able to take something that is something that we think about in the future. And we can pull it into today. And anything that we want to get done. So, now, my default is, if I want to do something, kind of, I do it. In fact,

anything right now, in the next 1,000 days, anything that we're doing behind a laptop or a screen,

will be replaced by AI. Right. And so, now we're moving into the robotics realm. Hence,

“you know, you look up here. What Tesla's doing right now, they're not doing any”

my Lexus or anything anymore. They're doing the building robots. Right. Why is that? Because when you look at where the world is changing, it's like, here's point A, here's point B. How do we get there, the fastest? And when we understand, actually, we no longer have to implement something. We have to learn something, get good at it, do it. Now, there's only three things we have to do. When we are future proving ourselves to the AI world, number one, we have to become the orchestrator. Right.

We look at what AI tools are available, and how do we orchestrate it together? Resolve. Number two, we have to focus on making sure that we verify things. So, when I asked my AI today to send an email, it sent me an email back with a draft, with all the things in there, read this, does it past our

God Reels? The answer is yes, send. So, we have to verify. But the third part is, we also have to

humanize it. So, what's happening? The big AI gets, the more humans become more valuable. This is our power. And in a world that we are so connected, we are so disconnected. Yeah. And so, what's important? Community, connection, collaboration. These are all things that are going to be big in today's world. So, you asked me what I used to do, that's all the things I used to do manually, but it's almost like someone has given me a mini and give me a rocket fuel jet pack booster on the

back. And that's, I'm not going to 100 miles in a million miles an hour now, JC. And one of the things in the introduction, I said, there's so many different things that I love about you. And one of those is that you're just unusually passionate about it. You know, when you meet John, you don't get a sense that he's trying to talk you into liking what he likes. He's just this person that is like paying forward what he's so excited about. It sounds to me like what you're

“starting to talk about is, I think you've called it the creative AI bridge. You know, it's like”

the bridge between the creator. And a lot of people don't understand that, that concept, that in this AI world, AI requires a creator. And that's when things really, really get good. I've heard you refer to 2026 as the creative direction over content creation phase. So talk a little bit about what that means because I think that that kind of relinquishes a lot of the fears when we refer to the human as the creative director rather than just content creator. That's when AI

becomes really, really useful. So I want to move into that because I know you're real passionate about that because you can give anybody any AI platform. And if they don't know how to use it as the creator, it's because useless, correct? Well, that's the role of the orchestra at the JCM because the orchestra to somebody who's able to go, okay, I need that person, that person, that person to create the melody. So when I'm looking at the role of the creator, think about it. We've gone from

just a canvas and a pink brush. That's all I see, but it's an incredible and it's a magical one.

“And it's one that you can just create something from nothing. People talk about this whole is AI”

taking away the way we think. And our mutual friend, our very good friend Jim, he talks about

this human intelligence and we're not doing critical thinking anymore because that's all being taken

by AI. For example, if I want to code something, it's going to code it and then it's going to hit a block and then it's going to debug itself. And once it debugs itself, it's then able to then fix itself. So critical thinking is no longer needed. If critical thinking is no longer there, where are we evolving to? So we create an I call creative intelligence. And creative intelligence is to be able to see a thousand different timelines. I guess if you look at an English in the film,

Avengers Endgame. Do you remember the scene where Dr. Strange goes in and he's seen all these

“thousand different possibilities happening at any one time? That's what creative intelligence is.”

We can look at all the timelines which are all the AI. And we can look at what is the best

possible way to win? And we find that round. And our brain has to be quick enough to make the connections and the dots. Let me give an example. So when you create a YouTube video, right, normally you would need be wrong. So the mind goes, okay, well, how do we do that? Well, we'd have to transcribe everything we say. We'd have to go to AI to produce those parts. Or we'd have to have a graphics designer who can use something like, after effects, we'll have to create the illustrations

well. What if I could take my transcript and put it into something like Higgsfield to design all of the illustrations? And what if I could take my content and put it into notebook LM to then create

the slides? And then what if I could simultaneously create a cinematic video of that? And what if I could

overlay all four layers at the same time and give it a prompt to say, every five seconds, chop it and insert a separate image? So now you've got four tools that work individually but chain together which produce a result. Now your videos can be created and it can be edited and you don't need to have a graphics designer, an illustrator and editor, it just all does it automatically. Is nothing sane? So that's creative intelligence, right? Another creative intelligence could be,

all right, let's say, like, I have any book coming up, right? So I can say, take a copy of this book, take all these images, create 50 different variations of me holding the book. I want you to then connect to Facebook ads platform. I want you to take the best performing post and I want you to run a thousand dollar ad behind the best performing post and keep the cost per lead below five dollars per lead. And I know it'll be able to do that. This is creative

intelligence. You know, there's something really fascinating happening right now that I wonder

“if even you're aware of. And this is what I think I want everybody to grasp. So here we are talking”

to one of the world's foremost authorities in AI. And if you ever hang out with John, like, it's just fun because like, everything's like, oh, watch, watch, I'll show you this and I'll show you that and all of a sudden he's up on a roof having a fist fight with Tom Cruise and he and he just loves showing you how to do things. But you just spent like six minutes in the creative process and this is what I really want people to take home because this is what I get whenever I

speak to you. We didn't use AI in the past six minutes. What you just heard was John in the creative process saying, what if we did this? Like, we could do this. That's all part of that creative direction of the human. So I just want to make sure that everybody sees what I just saw because, you know, we talk a little bit about the visionary handoff. You know, I've heard that before. It's like, where does the human stop typing and let AI take over? And I want to move into that area.

But AI is not very useful without an idea, without a creative process, without somebody saying, well, I wonder if I could do this. What if I could do this? Am I right? Yeah. So it's kind of like giving someone a paintbrush and saying, paint me a picture. Right? You still need to have a direction. Well, he's a funny thing. When people talk about AI employees, they just think, oh, yeah, just do everything for me. No. Like, when you hire someone, you still have to train that person,

the services, the features, the benefits, the objections, the nuances. The same thing has to be done with your AI. So the people think just AI is an automate everything. No. You want just

“automate everything. It's going to get to a point where it's going to know what we want. So remember,”

there are actually five levels of AI as well, JC. The bottom layer is level one is, and this is what most people know. You've got the LLM layer. Now, check your BT, Clore Gemini or that's the

second level is your agents. These agents perform a task and do something. The level above that is

your agentic layer. That's when you've got multiple agents that are working concurrently together to produce a result. This is where we are right now. Then we've got AGI. So AGI is general intelligence, which basically means it's going to know more than everyone in the world combined. And it's going to know how you think. It's going to know what you're going to do before you do it. How many times when you're thinking of the cognitive process, you're like, ah, you know, I don't really want to have

that jump feeling. You start thinking about it. No one people trying to lose weight. They think about

“what they shouldn't eat. That's why they struggle to lose weight because now that inception is in your mind.”

AGI is going to be able to do that. It's going to know what you want before you know you even want it. And the top layer is of course super intelligence. And this is kind of when it's game over. So the creative intelligence is trained on how we want it to be trained. If you think of all the large LLM modules, most of the data has been taken from things like reddit and Wikipedia. It's actually not the most credible places, but it's where most humans hang out

and it's where they have most conversations. So it is ultimately trained by us, by humans.

So AI in a way is not AI is actually us in a more evolved form. You know, I'm sitting here thinking, I've had the opportunity to hang out with some of the team members in his company and staff and give a shout out to Perlead. I'm just thinking, because I've got employees and I've had to go through the hiring and firing process. And an employee would have to at least be an AGI level employee to be considered a good employee. So it's interesting because you mentioned human intelligence

before. There's not that much difference in it, but I don't think that you could replace someone like that. But the idea of spending 40 bucks a month and having an AGI platform, or even if it was a thousand

dollars a month, that knew what you wanted without you having to explain it. It's pretty amazing,

but I just want to make sure that we don't go too fast in our thought process to super intelligence and game over. That's not happening tomorrow, but the idea of having AI give you a better experience than you might have with a mediocre employee is just really exciting. But I also see in that the reason why you value your team. It's because they know how you think. I mean, I've interacted with them, and you hear them say, oh, John doesn't like that. John likes this. John likes that. So, you know,

they're kind of an AGI level employee. You know, in my right name, it is kind of an interesting

“parallel. I think you've hit the nailman head there. Like the AI will get to a level where it will”

just do everything for us. Can you imagine, so I had this vision. So I'm advising this robot it's company right now. And I see the world of how things are happening. And here's my vision. You're going to have a robot, something like this. Like imagine this is a piece of metal. Do you remember the an Apple released this kind of like it looked like a clone as I could see a retabricone and you and you and then you talked to it. And so the way I see it now is, and this is the vision.

Like we're going to wake up every morning and we're going to talk to this thing and it's going to give us updates. It's going to be, hey, John, this time you have this, you have this and you have a meeting with this person. And it's going to do everything for us. Oh, you're insurance for your carers for renewed. Do you want me to renew it for you? Our cheapest quote is this or if you don't like that, you can go back and have go for you. And it will do phone calls, right? So if you look

at even the sales process of how everything's changing now. So in the old days it's, see, an ad, click, opt in emails go out and you get a call, right? Now it's ad, qualifier, AI phone call. And if you qualify, then you have a human in the loop to go into a real call. I remember calling up companies now and you not because I'm in this, I know I'm speaking to an AI. Most people would not, if it fascinates me. You know, these all these AI avatars, UGCs, they look real. I know they're fake.

and they don't even know this speaking to AI. I have had a lot of the best minds in the

simulation hypothesis arena. I'm always talking about that simulation point where we won't

know the difference, the touring test and all that stuff. But I'm like, it's kind of happening, like all over the place already, unless you have that knowledge. I can tell you that my children, like, I'm 54 and I can see something on Instagram and be like, oh my God, did you see this? And my 15-year-old daughter will be like, Dad, that's AI. You know, so, you know, this new generation is so comfortable in that arena. So I want to talk a little bit about scale because one of the,

I guess potential fears in what we're talking about here is just that this idea of maintaining authenticity at scale. So everybody wants to scale. This is one of the reasons people love

John so much as, you know, he teaches them not how to just have fun with this stuff. But to scale

and make money, that's what his book is going to be about. How do we maintain authenticity at scale without becoming algorithm food? Okay, really good question. It all comes down to the fifth point we talked about, right? Which is fine tuning the knowledge base. So here's the secret.

“The most important thing that you need to know for your AI is how your own AI is being trained.”

That means knowledge base, preferences, persona. All these things is a make-up of who you are. So for example, I have my own AI and people say, "Well, John, why would I want to use your AI when I can just go to check GBT?" Right? So when you look at the hierarchy in a business, right?

For example, org charts are about to change forever. You normally have the CEO and then you have all

your people at least. But just like you would hire a marketing person, like, if you take your brain, my brain is spit into different areas. So I've got one AI that just talks about marketing. I've got one AI that just talks about sales, speaking, investing, right? Business growth. So there are all different brains and they're only trained on one thing and be competent on one thing. But each brain, if you will, or each employee, can then talk to each other and get solutions.

“So you have to train it to be the authentic, you know, I give an example of the book, right?”

So money unlock, this book's been in my head for the last 20 years. Why have I not written it? Because I'm dyslexic. I'm not going to writing. I'm spelling mistakes, grammatical errors. I wasn't good at that. But it took an AI to come out to become my writer. So I wrote every single word of my book with my voice and it was able to write things word for word, put a full stop in, put the grammatical errors, paragraph space. It was able to format it in a way that was still true

to me. And when I prompted it on how I wanted things to be, I was using it to get ideas. Okay, I've got this concept. But that AI is trained on my brain. You know the funny things, this is crazy. I have to train my AI and I need to go back to my AI to coach me. But it's been trained by me. So it's almost like it's got a very good memory. And it's kind of like the way it is,

“it's become your personal phone book. You know how many numbers used to remember, 10 years ago?”

And now how many numbers you remember? It's the same with your memories. Like our brain is almost like even though it can hold so much, it only needs to hold what's relevant in the time that you need it. And the AI will go to feed that back to you when you need it. So it's almost like our brain and the way we want to use it, AI, because our time is so scarce, is what do we need at the time that we need it? That's most urgent. Then I can go to my AI angle. You know what I think

I was talking up before, what was that? It was this. So it's becoming like the phone book in a phone. Right now, there's the young generation that are saying, "What's a phone book?" There's him, "What's a phone book?" I'll tell you about the yellow pages some other time, my son. What I'm hearing, there's just a mix of the human participation and the AI, and I've heard you, and I think this is an empowering thing for people to recognize, but also it's going to

remind people that they're kind of like unloading and delegating too much of the creative process to AI. In that hierarchy, you know, you're going over the business structure. You're still the CEO. The AI is not the CEO. You're the one with the creative vision and you're utilizing these as tools.

communication skills. And it's interesting because like a year into it, I'll hear them. I'll like audit a phone call and I'll hear them talking to someone and I'll say, "Oh, they're talking like me." But there's also that place with AI where we say, "Hey, make sure you make it your own. Don't just copy what I wrote and right make it your own, put your own flaring to it." So you've talked about the human touch as the new gold. I love that idea, that idea that we want to just

question, "Where does the human remain untouched?" Their involvement in this whole process.

Well, think about it, JC, what do humans do in a regular basis? Let first of all answer that question.

“What do we do in a regular basis? What would you say? Complain?”

Yeah, yeah. Are you talking about in the context of work? Yeah, I mean, okay, let's talk about work. So what do most of us do every day? When it comes to work? We do the same thing. We follow, unless we're the owner of our company, we're in an entrepreneur, but even an entrepreneur, pretty much does the same things every day. Right, so you just said it that prompts that you're giving to us, doing the same things every day. So then, where is the

human involved if that prompt has been given to you? So the prompt is, you go and design this thing

for me. What is the difference if I tell you to do that or if I tell my trained AI graphics is

I need to do that? The difference would probably be that I would have a problem with it and it wouldn't. Right, and speed, and accuracy, and time, iterations. So then when you ask me, so where is the human involved in this then? Well, the humans, again, as I mentioned, in the past, we have to learn something and then we have to do something to get the result.

“So that's what we call the execution implementation. So here's the crazy thing. The implementation”

layer now has been taken out. It's gone. It doesn't exist anymore. Right, because AI can do it if if I want an app, it's going to be building an app. If I want to send an email, it will send an email for me. If I want to clone my voice and put me into an avatar, it will do it for me. So that implementation layer is gone. So what's been replaced is architecture. That's what I call AI architecture. So it's how you architect. This is where the orchestra comes in. Think about an architect. What

is an architect do? So an architect will look at a plan. It's going to build it and it's going to say, okay, it's going to build out everything. It's going to do all this and then you build it on top. So the human now becomes the AI architect. So we will not be doing things. We'll be architecting things. And the AI will be our workers to implement. If you think about every business,

“right, how does the business structure work? We as humans, when I ask you like,”

what is it that we do? Really, the CEO's job is to do two things. Think and make sure stuff gets done. It doesn't mean they have to do it. So they're going to have the vision. That's their only job. Their job should not be the operator, although when people start off, they become the operator. Right. So when you're the operator, you're the person doing everything. You're supposed to be the CEO, the chief executive officer. But you end up becoming the chief

everything officer. You end up doing the marketing, the sales, the service, the books, the finances, the fundraising, the fulfillment. You do everything. So we must evolve from the operator to then the manager. So what does the manager do? So now I have, as you see, employees that work with me and this person does this and this person does this and I manage this person, this person, but then when we go a level up from there, we become the architect of the company.

Because now you're no longer in the weeds. You're no longer the person who's making the decisions and to be truly free from a business is to have the people in your team and give them full

autonomy to make decisions. Because ultimately the CEO always becomes a bottleneck. But if you

give the autonomy to the people or the AIs that can make the decisions and use guardrails around it, give an example, let's say we want to book a venue and give it a budget. So go out and find all the quotes. So my prompt would be, I want to, and this is creepy when you see this happening. I literally I have two screens. I've got one screen here. I've got one screen here. When I tell it to do this, my screen just opens up and you see the mouse moving around going to different websites,

typing stuff out and it's just doing everything autonomously, agentically. So the prompt would be something like, let's say I'm running the vent. It would be, I want you to search all of the venues

a room that can hold a capacity of 1,000 people. Then what I want you to do is I want you to analyze

“all of the people that work for these companies which positions are in and I want you to search for”

the money internet and find something that's in common with that person because when you write the message to them, find something that they have in common that I have in common and that will build relationships. Then I want you to do is ask for the quotes coming back. Now all the emails that come back, I want you to look at the attachments and when to analyze, does it have the room that they have the AV? Does it have catering? Does it have a DVR package? All that stuff? And then

anything that is under, let's say $100,000 a day for this event, I want you to reply to because that's the budget. So you can, you can set these guardrails around all these things and it would just that will replace an event manager, an event director. It's so fascinating to just think about all these different angles and also I'm just realizing now and this is an empowering thing.

“Very often we'll see a simple first level chat GPT even or Claude or something like that”

create something that nobody knew it could create and it's not that it didn't have the capability the day before. It's just somebody like John Lee said, try this prompt and watch. So what's really interesting about AI and it's in the hands of the of the creator is that we don't even know what it can do yet. It's so unbelievable. So I want to talk a little bit about the advantage that people have, I would say the elite creator blueprint will call it, meaning the people that are out there that

are positioned. You hear John Lee very often talk about the fact that he's like, let me show you how to make $100,000 really quick, you know. So I like to call that an unfair advantage, you know, I would say that anybody that's working side by side with John Lee as a client of his would have what I call the unfair advantage. So that would be a good thing to have the unfair advantage. But in your opinion, what separates what I'm calling the elite creator and user of AI

from the average user right now in this day and age? Well, number one is testing and measuring,

always split testing what works, what doesn't work. Number two is always trying to find and improve

upon the process. So you know what a lot of people do, JC, they they figure out something that works and they stay there and they never evolve. And it's funny because I used to have this 12 week AI certification. And by the time I'd get to week eight week one is now redundant. I've never seen an industry change so fast. And this is why people should really not be creating their own. For example, there was one company that created this whole thing that by millions of dollars

creating an AI that could reply to people's emails. And then it just takes, you know, core to just create one connection to Gmail and that that that that business has gone. So one feature update is an entire software AI company that's just obliterated overnight. So what you need

“to do, you need to become your own disruptor. So when you create something, you have to ask yourself,”

how would I disrupt myself? What things can come in? That's why I've always said to my team,

don't let's not create AI stuff. Let's learn how to use and deploy the AI stuff that comes out. Because there's always something new that comes out. You know what I say when people are digging for gold, what do you do? You don't dig for gold. You sell the spades. Right? And when people buy the spades, what do you do? You teach them how to dig. And when everyone's learning how to dig, what do you do? You teach them where to dig. You see how that works? Or this is constant process

of always being forward thinking. And actually, and this is a phrase that I always say to people, like people say, John, how do you know you're going to have an idea that's going to make a lot of money? Very simple. I ask in this question, what do you know to be true? The other people don't know yet. What do you know to be true? The other people don't know yet. And when you can answer that question, you're going to impact many people. And by doing that indirectly, you'll be wealthy.

So fascinating. What percentage of humans, respectively, are using AI the right way? 0.04% of the

population out 8 billion people. So let's talk a little bit about that. Even if somebody's just

contemplating what that even means, say, okay, because you're seeing all these advertisements saying, like, through this in 30 days and learn these platforms and everybody's just blindly just assuming that's the right way to do it. But we're talking to the expert here. I want to talk a little bit about what I guess we would call the workflow breakdown and getting in that 0.4%. So I want to hear

myself and I feel pretty comfortable with it. But if I'm a personal brand or entrepreneur,

“we have a lot of those people listening. What does your idea of an AI workflow look like?”

And what I'm talking about is from idea human to production to distribution. What does that look

like in the 0.04%? So first of all, we need to have a system set up. So for example, I have an AI

and it's called Nova, right? So I can talk to Nova and it can do things for me. So I might say something like, hey Nova, I'm just on a JC's podcast right now and we have people listening, would you like to introduce yourself to everybody? Just tell people who you are and what you do for me. Hey, everyone. I'm Nova. Think of me as John Lee's digital twin. I'm here to help you level up whether that's in business, mindset, or branding. I've got the energy, the insights,

and yeah, maybe a cheeky comment or two, just like John. So if you're serious about growth, trust me, you're in the right place. Let's make it happen. So now what I do, I'm going to say, okay, Nova, what I want you to do is I want you to go to my Instagram and I want you to analyze all of my posts and tell me which of the highest performing and which one has the most views and leads generated. Then what I want you to do is analyze my competitors channels and cross-reference, the content

I'm creating versus the content they're creating. And I want you to tell me what are the spots or the holes that I'm not seeing right now. Then what I want you to do is take all the best performing posts from theirs and mind content and then create all the different hooks and give me three different variations of the hooks and then five bullet points of them. Once you've done that, oh, to post it on Instagram and Facebook and LinkedIn YouTube. And then what I want you to do is

analyze all the highest performing posts over the next seven days. Then what I want you to do is run a ad budget of $1,000 per day on the highest performing ad and keep the cost believe down by five dollars per lead. And then what I want you to do is where you want to drive them is to a book

“of coal funnel. So what I think it was create a calendar, make choose a Wednesday and third is free”

from nine to five. So once they bucket in, then I want you to create a voice agent and I want you to use the qualification agent and to ask all the questions that are pre-programmed you to make sure that the serious, the affordability, they're looking to move fast and they really have an

incredible product for service. Once that's been done, then I want you to forward that person

to an AI agent to a human in the loop from the AI agent to be able to transact that sale. Done. And I'm just thinking like the last thing I remember you saying like I'm a waiter trying to memorize the order was what I want you to do. And I'm just thinking that's not a problem with AI. You know, there's AI looks at adversity differently. AI just looks at adversity as a challenge, you know. And you look at a successful human and a successful entrepreneur like yourself.

You'll see characteristics about how you handle adversity and how you look at things. And you'll see a direct conflict in somebody that is not considered to be successful in life. They're stuck in life. It's going to be how they manage things. But AI manages things not only

“effortlessly, it's almost like a game. But it also gets better and better. And I think what we just”

saw is that the AI is not saying, hey, John, just take a second. Let me just grasp what you've said so far and then give me more. You know, AI is hungry and it's just saying sure. So once again, I think you either look at what John just did. I love when he gives these examples. He doesn't from stage two and you could tell that that voice of that woman knows John. You know, she said cheeky. And

but you can just tell that he's the creator in that. The most amazing thing to me, John,

is not what the AI is going to go do because that's technology, you know, and that's beyond what I would be able to do. What's amazing is that the workflow is in your head and you've trained it. You even said and asked the questions that I've pre-programmed you with. Once again, those ideas came from your head. So I just love that man. It's just so much fun to watch that. But for me, the most impressive part is you. You'd had an incredible point there,

you see, is that really we have to think of AI as just a tool. You know what's really exciting about this is what we as humans use this tool for. Like when someone came out with an electric screwdriver, they can build a skyscraper with it. They just have that bigger version of it's smaller version. When someone came out with a hammer, they can build an entire building with this. And when someone came up with a hammer in the chisel, they're able to build

what can we build with it? That's what I'm most excited about. Yeah, and we could come up with an

“idea and answer to that question. But tomorrow, if we desire, we can come up with a new one and a new one,”

and a new one is I don't think that we've even scratched the surface. Do you and I have conversations on simulation, right? Speaking of simulation, you know all these AI agents, so we're actually built a virtual office for these virtual agents, these AI agents. And you can see them all, like it's if you've seen the film Sims, most of the games, it's kind of like that. You look at it as a game and they're all walking around. And then they start getting together and a table start

talking to each other. It's fascinating to see. And the part of me is like, hmm, is that the first

version of our simulation? Yeah. Well, just for fun, I recently had the amazing Rizwan Verk who wrote

the simulation hypothesis and he's got a new version of that simulation multiverse. So this is the guy that, you know, knows some of the most about that topic. And he taught me something that's out now, because I was wondering if this was going to happen. He's like, oh, that's already happening. There's a concept called the smart NPC. And what that's saying is that in a video game world, an NPC, which stands for non-player character, which is like one of those people that are like,

hey, would you like an elixir or would you like a drink and and you're the real player of the

“game and you're like, you don't even have to talk to them. They're just like prompts. So that's what”

a non-player character is. But what he's saying now is that there's an evolution now where those NPCs are fully tapped into AI. And part of the simulation point will be that when you're the character, the avatar of a video game, because we're talking about in real world right now interacting with AI. But pretty soon, and it's probably sooner than later, if not maybe already happening, our kids or whoever games, gaming is not for kids. We're not going to know if we're talking to a

real player from another country or an NPC that's just tapped into AI. And then if you go even further than that, if you really want to play, you said the word simulation so you're going to get this. If you want to go even further than that, then you realize that we could be simulation trying to create a simulation. So the really funny thing about this whole AI thing is that we think that we have developed AI when somebody might have developed us. So that's a whole other conversation.

We don't have to get to. But either way, it's a reason to have some fun in this world rather than take things too serious. I want to talk about the book. So we're all patiently waiting for this this book. And I believe it's in my right April 28th. 28. Look at that. So everybody's buying up the book. And you know, can we get a little bit of an insight about, because money is obviously an important currency that a lot of people are focused on, especially now. And you're going to talk

to people about how it leverages this stuff, make it, but also keep it. Tell us a little bit about money unlocked. So I've been through business for less 20 years. And what I find is when I talk about money on a lot, like people say to me all the time, I'm struggling with money. I don't have

“any money. Like, no, money is really easy to create and make. Or you have to do a silver problem.”

So the first thing is, and the book talks about three concepts of how do you make it, how do you

keep it, and then how do you multiply it? And most people are only ever taught the first one. So the reason why people don't know how to make money is because partly because our education system teaches us how to get a job. And there's nothing wrong with the job. The only issue with that is that you're trading time for money. So that means I can only make more when I give more. And there's only 24 hours in a day. So we have to convert the active income into passive income. So passive income

we create a vehicle that vehicle that makes money for us. So I don't have to be the one trading time for me. So when we talk about passive forms of income, your income can not come from time delivered

for dollar. And then there's the third part of them, which is how do we multiply the money? So now we have

the third part of the income is called leverage income. So how do we leverage that? And again, we can put it into vehicles. I mean, I'm not going to talk about tokenomics yet. One thing that will happen in the future is all companies, in my opinion, will go through this tokenomics stage. And tokenomics means that it's not a point system, right? Well, know how we have like flight, you know, airlines where we have, you know, British Airways, I have points, right? Every time we buy

something, we'll be getting points. These are tokens. Funny enough, guess what, AI runs off, tokens. So this is why we have to look at, first of all, where are the opportunities? You see, it's easy to make money when you know how to, first of all, see the problem and solve the problem in the

John, how does your mind move so far? So how can you see this distance and all these opportunities? Well, my brain's been trained to do it. And in the book, I break down a blueprint on, like, when people read this book, they should not have any issues with knowing how to make more money. That's my first thing. The second thing is, once you've made the money, how do you get it to make more of it without you trading time for it? And then I talk about these three different paths.

First part is, is there, there's a difference between being free and being rich. So our first goal is to be free. Once we're free, then it can be rich. And once we're rich, we can then become wealthy. And here's the, here's the whole spin on this. Being wealthy is not having lots and lots of money.

“Being wealthy is having lots of choices. Very different. That's what the book talks about, JC.”

It's such a fascinating topic because most people are programmed to be unconscious to this. But

I always say that some people have time, but no money. And then a lot of people have money.

We know a lot of people that are very wealthy, but they have no time. I was very successful as a chiropractor. My whole life fell apart, said no time. But it's only a select few. And that's what we're talking about. It seems like this book is going to teach people how to have both, how to have both. And what this brings up for me is there's this culture. It seems like this like right of passage to trade time for money. It's funny because people look at the idea of cutting corners to

create passive income. And they're like, well, that's not the way it's supposed to be. It's like, okay, but I understand what you're saying and you're saying that only because you're currently trading time for money. But if you did have money and time, what is it that you wouldn't spend your time doing? What is it that you truly wish you would want to do? And they would say family. I would take better care of my health. I would travel the world. I would live life. And that's when

all of a sudden people start to go, oh, for those of you that are smart enough to go out and get

“this book, you can pre-order it. That's what it's going to talk about. It's not only going to”

talk about strategies, but from what I can see, it's going to also be a mind shift for people, like almost like giving them permission to entertain passive income. Most business models, John, are not made for passive income. No, and you brought up on a really important point there. It's a mindset. It's a paradigm shift. For example, do you know the real secret of wealth is when you make more money, you keep your lifestyle the same. Right. What most people do they make money,

spend money, make money, spend money, make money, spend money. I know people who are multi-millionaires and they're still broke. Crazy. Yeah. Crazy. In my money they earn. And they tell me they've got more money. I'm like, what are you spending money on? So there's a shift in once we've acquired the money. How do we hold it? How do we save it, quote unquote. I'm not talking about the traditional way you save things. Right. But it has to be a way in a strategic way. For example, if you have a business

right now and your business always suffers from cash flow, it's because you're not paying yourself

first. You're not taxing yourself first. The old model of, you know, my sales, minus my expenses, equals my profit. No, it should be your sales, minus your profit equals your operation costs. That's the formula. People go, oh my god, I've thought of it like that. And I have this formula in their article that the 30, 30, 30, 10. We say, what do you do with your money? Well, your own personal money and your business wealthing, your personal wealth needs to be separate. Right. Your business can

be broke, but you can be rich. The opposite is true as well. Your business can, like, you know, people who have a lot of equity in their houses, they're equity rich cash pool. Right. The millionaires on paper, but they don't have the millionaires in cash. So this is concepts that I talk about

“on actually, how do we allocate our money? For example, if in business, you should be allocating”

some for your topics, you know, your operational costs. Right. You need to, your personal costs. I have my shoes pay. You know what people do? They get all this money. They're so happy. They see all this money in the bank. And they start spending it. Whereas what we call Parkinson's Law,

right? If you look at Parkinson's Law, it's basically, if you have a lot of time,

the time will expand to fill and you become busy unless it's capped. And it's like, do you know when you have toothpaste? And you're like, I'm on brush my teeth. And it's like, you've got a fall to achieving you just like, just laying it on. And then you get to the part where there's you have to roll it up and that little bit left and you've been in a little bit. And somehow that little bit, last year for like a month, this Parkinson's Law, it will time will expand to fill

based on how much free time you have. Same with money. You got too much money there. It will be spent. That's why you got a piece of it. So concepts like this, I talk about in the book like, how do you not just make any key pit and how do you multiply it? What a perfect name for a book,

a key to like open up a vault, but it's really the cranial vault. You know, it's really unlocking,

there's plenty of money out there. It's never been easier to make money, especially when you,

when you have friends like you teaching people about what you do. Well, it's also a positioning, for example, like if you live in the US versus living in Malaysia or Bali, one of the things I talk about in the book is something called the freedom number. Everyone needs to have a freedom number.

“Well, that means is how much money do you need to make every month to never have to work again?”

That's your freedom number. And I talk about how I got there and and some of the things I did to produce it. But actually, just by moving location, you can have the amount of time it takes to get to your freedom number. By getting rid of things that's sucking money from your pocket, I will think about, you know, like this is saying that says, you know, small holes, sink big ships. Same with your money. All these little things are a little poke and you are

having to create more. But if you just plug the holes, thing of the workers hard, when you have to work as hard and by norming things, we shouldn't work hard. I mean, one of the concepts I talk about, we shouldn't work hard, we should work smart hard. Yeah. Right, not just smart, but we need to work smart hard. It's smart hard as a combination of AI and all the things that we, you know, we've been talking about. Well, I'll tell you what I like to work hard on is being a good husband,

“a father, and human. And I can tell you that most people are unaware that they spend 85%”

of their entire life working. And that's a mindset problem, you know, it's that that's that

right of passage. But, you know, I would love to never work again in that context so that I could

put the work into the things that matter most to me. Just quickly, I want to hit on ethics. Because there's a lot of people out there. This is one of the things that I love about you is is that, you know, you're a, he's a great person. I've had broken bread with John and I know a lot about his personal life. And he's, he's a great human. It's a great father. He's a great husband. So, his heart is in the right place. But a lot of people can be using AI

on ethically. So, as AI grows, you know, more autonomous, what is the responsibility in your terms of the creator when it comes to shaping how it's used? First of all, you know, and that then this is hard because what's something considered original? I mean, look at all the Tornarobbins

“ports. Everyone uses a lot of the Tornarobbins ports. But where are those ports come from?”

A lot of them come from previous teachers. And, you know, Jason, you mentioned yourself, you coach a lot of coaches. They go out. You hear some of the causes. This starts something like you.

So, inevitably, that's always going to happen because it's a part of the process.

Now, what differentiates you to be different? Well, the difference is you. Your uniqueness is you and your stories and your experiences. So, what I like to do, let's take a concept and then I like to make a concept my own. And that's not copying, that's emulating. So, we emulate something. So, you and I could have the same topic on something, but we'll have a different perspective. We'll have a different story. We'll have a different experience around it. Once we've done that,

that becomes uniquely you. This is a really, really powerful question and I want you to just really give me your most up-to-date answer with it. What is it that's going to separate brands or entrepreneurs that survive from those that disappear in the next three years? So, I kind of talked about this a little bit before, like, speed, loves money. I'm money, loves speed. So, in a business context, as a creator, how do you stand out for the people? So, it's interesting because, you know,

I'm a filmmaker at all. I love making films. I love making shorts. As an animated made my own short stories. And it's been something I've always wanted to do, but just never had the time to do. But now I have AI. I can free up a lot of my time. Free a lot of the stuff that I don't need to do. So, I can spend time on filmmaking. So, a lot of the shows and things I've shown you recently, like, I've even put some of my members into some of the shows. And it's hilarious.

But I love entertaining. I love creating things. I love creating music. Today, I was just that normal when I clients. And she's an incredible poet. And she's got all these beautiful poems. And we turn them into songs. And so, what's a good creator? And what the people have to do in order to survive in this industry, as in the space? Number one, they have to be innovating. Innovation comes from solving problems. And the problem of innovation is very risky.

Because you don't know if it's going to work on that. Because you are literally first to do that. But if you hit it, you're in. Second thing that they've got to start doing is they've got to start creating more connection. In a world where we are so connected, we are disconnected from

you've got to start working on. And this is what I said. In the old days, social media used to be

“for lead generation. Right? Generate leads make money great. Social media is not for lead generation”

and it's not for converting anymore. It's for positioning. When you want to brand, you've got to create demand. So, why is that? People don't trust AI. People look at AI and they go, I don't know that real is it not real. They see something, I'm not sure if it's real. So, what's happened is trust has gone down. So, in order for people to survive in this industry, they have to have a personal branding. Thank God, I've been doing this for 20 years. Before we talk about

platforms, what is the platform, Facebook, against the one YouTube, X, with it. Right? Your platform now is your name. Right? Your platform is now your name. The purpose of social media is to create that trust and get rid of resistance. So, they must do that. And the last thing they need to do, hugely hugely important, very expensive is to build community, to build community. For example, Jason, you and I met at Jim's event. That entire event, he had that entire resort. That wasn't cheap.

That was a lot of money. That's right. Right? Another event he was just giving incredible value is amazing. Like, most of these things, they don't even make money. But, we, what was before, when they fit this money, money, then why do you provide it? Because it creates trust and it builds community. Yeah. Long term. So, like people say to me, John, why you want to run a mastermind in physical location when I can, you know, like, and on my last online event, we have like,

over 12,000 people registered for it. Right? So, if I do that online versus offline, which is more expensive, right? And the amount of money that it takes me to just do a little event with, like,

“20 people is the same amount of money with cost me to do a 12,000 online, right? You see?”

So, then why do I do it? Because, and it's funny, I get this comment all the time. And I got it, don't leave. You're real. You're actually real. Like, why do people think come on AI? They actually come up to me and say, you're, you're a real person. And people have never

said that before. They might 20, they've never said that before. It's incredible. Well, I have

personal friends that have been to your events. And if you've never been to a live, John Lee event, there's nothing like it. But the compliments that people, they didn't ever come back saying, I learned how to make all this money even though they did learn that stuff. And they learned it a lot about AI. They were talking about the experience of meeting John Lee and being in his event. So, I hope that that will. I hope that that we don't create some sort of,

like, amazing hologram of you that replaces you because there's nothing like it. And also getting great food. Last question on a personal note, personal practice wise. And this is referring to you.

What is one part of John Lee's own life and creative process that he will never

give over to AI? That's a good question. I want to know where the stand is, where the where's the line? I will never give away my vision of what I'm trying to create. I will never give that to AI. Because ultimately, that's like saying paint the picture for me and I'll decide what the picture looks like. What we try to do is we are trying to form the picture around mind of actually, what is it that people want? One of my most favorite books is the one from Steve Jobs autobiography.

There's one line in that book that says, how do people know what they want if they've never even seen it before? That's the part I will not give to AI. Because there are nuances in human

“connection. There are nuances in how things are done that AI will, will it ever pick up?”

I'm not sure, right? Because these things happen in like a millisecond of a second. Like you know when you meet someone within a split second, you know that you're going to be in love with that person. And you're going to admit, well, whatever my wife, there was one moment we were sat in the back of a taxi. I had my head back and I was looking at things looking at me and that split moment I knew. And that split moment I knew. These are the things that's the vision I'm talking about. That's the

that's the downloads that's your intuition that is created. And what is intuition? Think about this from a moment. Intuition is experiences that have happened in the past that now give you evidence of the things that appear in the future. Again, it's like that Dr. Strange moment. You can go forward so many years. And yes, maybe things are not exactly where they should be. But it's don't close.

It's don't close. And so I would never give that to AI.

You keep talking about Dr. Strange and I'm just waiting like when we see each other maybe in May.

can do now, JC, you know. And I'll just be like, yeah, I mean, I was waiting for you to do that.

John, obviously run the makes sense ecosystem, you know, obviously I'm very fascinated with the idea of, you know, money unlocked. But what I'm most fascinated the reason why I'm encouraging everybody to go get that book is because of the shift, you know, the paradigm shift that I will have

“so that they can allow money to come to them as well. What would you say is the best way for people”

to begin stalking John Lee? Well, my website, John Lee.com. I've got a lot of content there.

Any social media platform, Facebook, Instagram and YouTube style from John Lee, you'll see me accounts that come up. If they want to grab the book, as well, they can just go to Amazon or

“Barnes and Robo or Penguin. The book is published by Penguin and Hey House. So they can go to”

any of the sites to go and grab the book as well. Yeah. And actually, what we'll do JC, you're audience because I know that, you know, that the work that you've done with people and your stories inspired so many people. And for me, if people go and grab the book, if they're head over to MoneyUnlocked.com, they can take their invoice number. And if they put their invoice

number in, we have incredible gifts that will accelerate the, I've got a whole training on the AI

stuff that can start consumers straight away. I've got a whole training on how do you grow a massive following on social media. They can consume that straight away. And there's a lot of bonuses and gifts. So if they go and get the book, take note of the invoice number, go to MoneyUnlocked.com,

“put that invoice number in, click claim your bonuses. And I think they'll be very, very happy.”

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