2811: This Food Item IS NOT As Healthy as You Think

please only one place to go. Mind, mind, mind, up with your hosts. Salto Stefano, Adam Shafer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the most downloaded fitness health and entertainment podcast.

This is Mind Pump in today's episode. We had callers call in. Ask us questions about their health and fitness, and we got to coach them live on air. But this was after our intro today's intro

is about 60 minutes long. On the intro, we talk about fitness, fat loss, muscle gain,

current events, family life, always a good time.

“If you want to be on an episode like this,”

here's what you do. Submit your question to MPLiveColor.com. Now this episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is Viori, you know who they are. This is the best at leisureware you'll find anywhere.

It's high class, it looks good, it lasts a long time. It's incredible, feels good to wear. We have the biggest discount, you'll find anywhere. If you like Viori and you want to save, here's what you do. Go to vioriclothing.com/minepump.

That's Vioriclothing.com/minepump. That link will get you 20% off. The episode's also brought to you by MPHormones.com. The medical professional there, not a salesperson, will meet with you and talk with you about Hormone Therapy.

Is it right for you? They also work with peptides, not the gray market research stuff, but peptides made in a real compound, pharmacy, FDA-regulated compound pharmacy. Go to MPHormones.com and see if it's right for you.

By the way, you'll get some of the best prices. You'll find anywhere because they don't have salespeople. No fluff, it's the best. Also at MPHormones.com when you work with our partners there, if you use the code MindPump365, you can pay a year in advance,

save $150 plus get your essential lab for free.

The first lab, totally free. So one more time, MPHormones.com, the code MindPump365. Also, we have a brand new bundle for this month. It's called the Spring Bundle. It's maps, symmetry, maps, prime, and the advanced training

techniques guide. All of that together over 50% off. 147, it gets you all of that. Go check it out, go to mapsmarks.com. Here comes a show.

Take your time. And this t-shirt time? Ah shit, you know it's my fair time in a week. Two winners this week, one for Apple Podcasts, one for Facebook, the Apple Podcast winner is Charlotte B.G.

And for Facebook, we have Sarah George. Both of you are winners, and they may just read to iTunes at MindPumpMedia.com. Include your shirt size and your shipping address. And we'll get that shirt right out to you.

All right, real quick. If you love us, like we love you, why not show it by rocking one of our shirts, hats, mugs, or training gear over at MindPumpStore.com. I'm talking right now, hit pause.

Head on over to MindPumpStore.com. That's it. Joy the rest of the show. If you have a fruit smoothie every morning for breakfast, it's probably going to make you fat.

It's one of the worst things you can have. It's not a health food. We're going to talk about let's go. Ooh, that is a hot sandwich. So milk is.

I don't know if I agree with the fruit smoothie.

“Well, I mean, do I get to put protein powder in it?”

Sure. So here's the thing. I'll tell you why I'm bringing this up. I mean, yeah, job abuse for sure. You guys remember, hey, I know we all had to go through this

when it was new. Like, I remember going and getting a peanut butter smoothie at job abuse almost every post workout. And then I remember when they actually started to put the nutrition books in there.

And then read, it was like, yeah, of course. It's got me because I stream in it. Yeah, they put ice cream. I didn't even know. Well, I'll tell you why it's so good.

I was part of 80 grams of sugar in one shot.

So here's what this came up.

I was watching a show. OK. And the guy is in the morning. He's being depicted as like, he's not a health fitness guy, but he's obviously concerned about us all.

He's a health conscious person. And like, a lot of people, he has his breakfast in his hand, and it's a cup, a clear cup, and it's a fruit smoothie. And a lot of people have been led to believe that this is like a wonderful health food.

Now, I want to be clear, fruit is not bad for you. But if you blend the hell out of it up, then you add it all first off, you can have way more fruit as a smoothie than you would ever eat. Number two, when you blend it up, you've changed it.

So now the glycemic index goes through the roof. So whatever slowly you digest it through eating it, you blend it it up, and you've now made it essentially, not the same. I know it's not like a soda, but you've essentially made it

a sugar bomb, and it's typically very high calorie. Even if you had protein, you've got yourself this kind of really high calorie lociety-producing glycemic index bomb that you're going to have.

“And you think it's a health food, that's what it's going to cook.”

Yeah, I mean, you're kind of bypassing that whole process your body has of slowly digesting it, refreshing it,

Well, this juicers are really bad, there you go.

Because if the amount of the fiber, the amount of apples

“and that you need to make a cup of juice or whatever fruit”

you're using in there is a lot. So that really concentrated juicer. A blended smoothie though, like if it's predominantly like almond milk or water, and then like a fruit, a piece of fruit in there, or like who does that?

I mean, I mean, I mean, a spinach, blueberry banana, a protein smoothie would be a very common smoothie I would do. So, but I mean, to your point, I think everybody should at least one time in their life, weigh the bananas they eat, because what is considered a large banana

in like the nutrition guidebooks are not the largest bananas you get at the grocery store. Also, the way hits you, you know, when you blend food up, you change its surface of the surface of it, to the total volume, making it very quickly absorbing.

And so, you know, if I ate an apple, it has a different impact on me than if I blend it an apple and drink it. It has a different impact on my blood sugar. Not to mention the amount of fruit that you can consume in a short period of time through this smoothie.

But that's not the danger. Here's the real danger, is that people think it's a health food. Like this is a health food. Here's where better options, here's where I'll defend what you're saying, I think, is because I definitely think I actually think it's a great option

for somebody who's trying to build or bulk. Like you're not, you can't get enough calories. - Yeah, sure. - Because the other point to your argument is that you have that and not, you digest it really quick and then you're hungry again.

That's where it didn't like an hour.

“- That's why I think it's terrible for people to see it, yeah, exactly.”

So to your point that I can get behind that, like if you're, if you're doing a smoothie for breakfast and your goal is weight loss, I do agree that's a bad strategy. I think if you were at maintenance and you're happy with where your weight is at and it works for your lifestyle, totally fine.

But if your goal was weight loss, and so I guess maybe that's how I would have positioned, I like how you positioned it though. But I would have said, like it's different. - Would have occurred to me, if you could have people's attention. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I appreciate that because it made me think about it like, okay, well, I mean, I totally think I do that all the time

and I've had clients, but you're right, I would never tell a weight loss client

who's trying to lose body fat, you should blend a fruit smoothie up at one point. - There's better options, there's way better, way better options. - And one of the travesties with our diet is this myth of this belief or these beliefs around breakfast in particular. - So we've been convinced that we should have no time for breakfast.

So it's always this rush, that's number one. - Muffins aren't cake. - That's right, number two, because of that, breakfast foods or foods we would label as breakfast foods in the context of, I need it to be quick, are all terrible. Startable breakfast cereals, then you got bagels and muffins and, you know,

pastries, and then the health side is like, oh, here, this is healthy. Blend up a bunch of fruit, and if you had protein, it's fine. Well, no, if you're trying to lose body fat, first of all, it's going to produce very little satiety. It's great for bulking, not good for losing body fat.

- You're gonna get many people, not everybody, but you could test this with a blood sugar regulator. You're gonna get a spike in blood sugar that you wouldn't normally get, especially if you ate the fruit and ate the protein from a whole food source. It would be very different.

“Why don't you want, or why are we avoiding these sharp rises and blood sugar?”

We can make the metabolic argument, it's not good for your body, cause insulin, resistance, blah, blah, I'm not even going there. Sharp, rises, and drops, and blood sugar, they just tend to encourage not great behaviors. You tend to feel not so good later, appetite starts to spike.

It doesn't, it doesn't bow to well for long-term behaviors around eating in a way that's appropriate, especially for fat loss. - You know what, I don't subscribe to this. There's not a lot of great options for breakfast for high protein anymore. So I'm traveling, I was traveling this last weekend, right?

And I wouldn't stay at a cabin with my cousin, and we're kind of at the mercy of whatever she was the one cooking for the weekend, and so it is what it is. Now, she's health conscious, so she, my cousin Stephanie, who's right.

So she made, for dinner, the first night that we were there,

these like healthy ground turkey enchilada dish, you know? So it's still enchiladas, but it's like a healthier version and stuff I thought made with ground turkey and this like lactose free cheese, and it was really, it was really good. And then she made a huge, there's tons of us, tons of bulk, so there was leftovers.

- So amazing. - Yeah. - Most dinners that I have, I'm, I'm trying to think the last time I had a dinner

where it's like cracking a couple eggs over it in the morning time, reheated is not amazing.

I think it's so good. - It is. - It's just not what someone would consider it like breakfast. - Well, exactly. It's just, that's all marketing.

- 100%. - We've been marketed to so well that breakfast is this waffle pancake, which is cake. And cake in cereal for breakfast is like, what's stable is, and then just eggs, and we know that one or two eggs is not a lot of protein, but like you crack four eggs over the top of a dinner dish for the night before, and you've got a really high, really good tasting

“and makes me feel like I'm eating breakfast, even to add to that eggs, right?”

We think of it as for breakfast, why can't you eat eggs for dinner? - We're for lunch. - Like it's so funny how we put foods in these weird categories, and so then people are like, "Oh, you want me to eat some chicken and some rice?" - For breakfast.

- That's not breakfast. - Why not? - Why is it at breakfast? - Yeah. - Eat it in the morning.

And so that's my point with this is that the fruit smoothie has been so strongly sold as this healthy option in the morning, and most people who are doing it are not doing it for bulking. Most people who are doing it are like, "Okay, I want to lose weight. I want to get healthy." And it's not going to be a great option for it.

It's not going to help. Let's how you're making me think now, okay, so how much of that. The fact that that is a fruit smoothie for breakfast is more widely, more popular than cracking a couple of eggs over dinner is, and I wonder if it's because so much of what has been sold to us pancakes, waffle, cereal, pop tarts as like the breakfast or donuts, right?

These are what people eat for so high sugar. That seems more like, because of the high sugar in the fruit, because what is it that makes you go? That thing that you love for dinner, you don't love for breakfast, think about that for a second.

Because of the time of the day, that's all cravings and habits shit. That's nothing to do even with what you like or not like, because you liked it at eight or six p.m. - It's all marketing. It goes back to even the food pyramid, it's not category of like, we got all the whole

grains and balanced meal, you know, breakfast, it's all frickin' cars.

“- I think it's like re-condition yourself to start eating the stuff that you've already”

loved for dinner. - Which by the way, you know what this points to? And this is a great conversation, is it points to the complexity around our relationship around food? - Yeah.

- We're not even aware of half of these things, you know, if I gave you a glass of orange juice with dinner, you'd be like, ew, breakfast? Oh yeah, glass of orange juice. - I gave you turkey stuffing, you know, we're only eating it one day. - That's right.

- That's right, so, and this is a good thing to examine with yourself, because it also goes further than that, right? There's foods that you tend to navigate towards when you're stressed out or when you're upset or when you're happy, you know, a good example, by the way. I think pizza did a great job of marketing themselves as a breakfast food.

It's just cold. - Yeah. - People have cold slices of pizza in the morning cause you left over from the night before. And that even became a thing. - That's right.

- But it's a really good thing to examine with your diet, because often times with, this isn't the big thing that's holding you back, but it's part of it, is like, why can't I eat these foods at different times? What are my beliefs around food?

“What's my relationship like with certain meals to where, when I think of breakfast?”

Because that's one of the most challenging meals for clients, which you guys do. - Yeah. - Oh yeah.

- It's always breakfast, right?

That's most challenging. - So, and the big challenge around it is exactly this, it's like, what's a breakfast food? - Oh, and I don't have any time. - I feel it in that category.

- My favorite one is I'm rushed in the morning. Scrambleing eggs takes a grand total of eight minutes. - If that. - Maybe. - If that.

- But it's weird that we're like convinced that it's like, no, no, I got it. - By the time I have to eat, while I'm running out of work. - By the time, this is why it's such BS, the thing, the enchilata, the chicken and rice, or the ground beef and rice, whatever you had for dinner thing. By the time you, I, to make this easy, too, by the way, I don't know if people do this

for another way. I, I make the big, we make the big dinner, and then I, when I'm cleaning the kitchen, I'm portioning it out in tubaware. - So it's already fast. - So it's already set.

- Yeah. - I literally throw it in my glass thing in the, in the microwave. I hit 230, I crack the eggs over. By the time that thing is done, microwaving, the eggs are ready to get thrown on top of that.

It is not long at all, so that, that idea, you know, a hack for somebody who can't wrap their brain around doing this or with a client, what I would do. This is another way, I love to use this tool.

You fast somebody for 24 or 48 hours, and then they're, they're, they're, they're first

meal they get to have, is the breakfast dinner, is the, is the eggs over their side. Take it, yeah, name that, whatever it is, watch how good that takes. When you haven't had something for that long, and it's like, you need to re-condition that,

That's how you start doing that is, and if it, that's so hard for you to wrap your

brain around. After you've, you've conditioned yourself, which I've done, been doing this long enough now that I actually crave that, like that sounds so much better than a bowl of cereal or waffles or pancakes do for breakfast, is having, so having one of those dinners with some eggs.

I just think you have so many things, they're like toast, when would you eat toast, aside from breakfast? Yeah. Yeah.

“When would you have to win a slice of toast or butter?”

I mean, it's, it's really good thing to think about and understand, because I think the key, I know this, the key to long-term success with diet is changing relationship to food. That's really what a boils down. That's all this is.

Because when you have a, first off, you have to have a complete relationship with food.

What I mean by that is, if you grew up in a modern society, which if you're listening to this podcast, the odds are you did, your relationship with food is very narrow. Likely, it's, it's likely this really narrow relationship where it really boils down to, is it the right time to eat this food and is it palatable? That's it.

It's really about it. That's how you judge what you need eat for the most part is, am I going to enjoy eating this thing? You don't have a complete relationship, like, how does this affect my digestion, worth electric performance or energy?

You don't have a complete relationship with it. And I know this, because I've trained so many people that when I would have people start paying attention, they started to realize that certain foods at the age of all the time made them feel crummy. Yeah.

I didn't even realize that the energy crash I had was because I had a bagel every morning once I took that out, I felt better. It's really, so one of my family members is doing this with diet and she has eliminated a lot of things that are diet and then recently had an oat milk latte from Starbucks and she texted us and she's like, this kills my stomach.

She's like, I don't realize I was at stomach issues and it's probably this thing I had every day. I just had to take it out for 30 days before I realized it. But once you have a complete relationship, here's the selling point now, I was going to sell to everybody.

Because you relationship with food because more complete gets easier to eat healthy. Way easier. It's not like this struggle all the time because you have this better relationship with it.

“I think it's hilarious that something that you admit that you like at 6 p.m. at night,”

you don't at 7, that it should make you want to inspect that relationship. It's like, that's strange, it's not like I'm asking you to eat something that you don't like. What I'm saying is the thing that you ate at 7 o'clock that you love to eat, throw four eggs over it in the morning time and it's life changing.

It's just like, and then just do that for a while, recondition, like how you, what you eat in the morning like that and holy shit, look at this. And it's like, it's so time-saving because you're already making, dinner is the one that I feel like most people, everybody, the most people consistently make. Right?

If they're going to cook anything. If you're going to cook, yeah, if you're going to cook, I mean, obviously there's people out there, they're like, I don't cook anything, I get that too, but the one meal you like, yeah, the one meal you cooked dinner, okay, so stop cooking just for dinner and start double it, the recipe, double or triple the recipe and then while you're clearing

the kitchen up, which we all do, we have to do section it off in the, the, the cup of rice, the six to eight ounces of meat and your tupperware, put it in the fridge. And then in the morning, when you get up and you're in such a hurry, take the two minutes, thirty seconds, put the microwave and throw the four eggs on and it's so funny. Now, I was just having this conversation, something, like, along those lines of my wife

because I did, I grilled a bunch of chicken thighs yesterday, so I do like meal prep sometimes. I was making a bunch of chicken thighs, so I have a bunch of ready meals that I can have, you know, when I come to work or whatever. And so she's putting them in tupperware for me and she's like, you need the same thing, like, don't you get sick of this?

I said, no, I said, first off, I like the taste.

It's not bad. It's not like as good as like pizza or something, but it's not bad. But it makes me feel good to eat this way so I enjoy eating it. Now, it's not the only thing I eat. I don't just eat these meals because she makes dinner, so we have something different for dinner,

sometimes I'll have something different for breakfast. But it's my relationship with it is, it's enjoyable because it doesn't taste bad. But I like the way it makes me feel that I was just came back from LA for a podcast circuit. And I'm very aware of, I've been doing this for my input for a while now, where I go and I'll fly somewhere and do like three or four shows in a day.

“Which requires a lot of energy, not physical energy, but you have to be mentally sharp.”

And you go from one place to another, get on, you got to do your thing. And so I'm really, really conscious of how I feel mentally. I'm very aware of which foods I should eat when I'm doing that. And it typically looks like lower carb, higher protein, and I'll have some fiber. So breakfast, normally without having to say steak, eggs and potatoes,

I'll have just some steak and some berries. And then for lunch, it's going to be like some kind of vegetable and some kind of protein. I don't normally eat like that regularly, but I know I feel more mentally sharp to be able to do four shows from 8 a.m. to 3 p.m.

And so what does this mean?

When I eat it, do I hate it? No, I enjoy 'cause I know what it's going to produce. So the relationship with it is fine. It doesn't bother me.

“Yeah, I mean, I actually prefer it, I think it's great.”

I also think too, I mean, you can't, you don't do dairy. But the dishes that I'm giving examples of too and throw some cheese on. Throw some cheese on which I could do. What, one to two ounces of cheese on top of that too? I mean, is you can throw that on anything.

It's amazing. I do. And let me tell you, you wanted two ounces of cheese on a dish like that. It's not what's keeping you fat or not fat. No, like that.

You're talking about a couple hundred calories in the morning time over a healthy dish. That's not the difference of you being in shape or not shape. So it doesn't have to be, so it doesn't have to be dry, chicken, chicken breasts and white rice and pulling eggs. Like, no, I'm, I'm got cheese and salsa.

And like, oh, it's, it's salsa's another good one. Yeah, it's amazing. All right, I got to read this up. I can't hold it any longer just because you're going to die, bro. Oh, good enough.

Remember how I brought up how the killer whales have been observed, putting dead salmon on their heads. Yeah. And walking to see them. And it's like a style.

It's like they're showing off their new style. Oh, right. Did you know chimps are being observed, putting blades of brass up their butt? What? Yeah, definitely what else?

Yeah, what? What? So walk around and then we'll bomb blades of brass sticking out of their butt. And to the best of the scientists' ability, they're like, this, I think it's a style.

“I think it's a, or the, or the eights of it.”

Are they eights in the major butt, ancient search? No, they're, they're, they're literally, this is like a phenomenon that's been well observed. It's not like they're not shaking it around. No, what, you guys in the pictures, dude, let's see if they can find some of these pictures. Don't walk around, it's like long grades of blood.

Let's the blood. Long blades of brass. Well, I love it. It's nonfunctional and point out that whole fashion trend. Yeah.

You got to find the pictures of it. I was, I was cracking out. Oh, go. Yeah, see? Crassy butt.

Yeah, we got the left. There's so, they're so hot right now. We got that, dude. But you know, it makes me think of two. Like, we laugh at that.

We think they're so ridiculous. Like, come on, everything we wear is ridiculous. As you guys said, this is them, yes, they see women walk around skirts or like this is their first super long, you know, super high heels and hurt your feet or whatever. Wow. The first champ to do that was the nice little accessory. And everybody's trying to do it.

Everybody decided he's the trend setting. Yeah, too late late late. Look how much grass he has. He's put his butt. He looked at Dave, dude.

He's got his suit. He's got something shiny over his, the female champs were attracted to it. All the other dudes were like, that is so weird. I know.

“I think is it possible there's some sort of nutrient that's in the grass that is getting absorbed?”

I don't think. Was this like a prank and they're like, you know, like farting it over one of the other stuff they're going in the minute? I mean, did you go down the route only, read some theories or they just go, they literally the trend, the best fashion, the, that's it. It's, it's some kind of, you know, as soon as Doug Googled it, that was the first thing that came up was trend.

Which was always like, it just accidentally, like, you know, was trying to like wipe or something stuck it in there and it was just walking around the look.

Oh, man, there's a one to something. 12-year-old, chimp named Juma, who started it all. Ten, twenty, twenty-three. Three, the origin. Yeah, there's two.

Oh, it's like, if this is a two, yeah, you got those. And so once Juma did it, so once Juma did it five, five other chimps did the same thing within a few weeks. What? Yeah. Then they just like grab one and do that blade, too.

Juma's a trend center, dude. Yeah, yeah. Juma does. He's got the, you got them Juma's, dude. And I thought, we're speaking of like revelations stuff.

So I'm in LA right, I got to share this because it's just, you know, for the aging dude. It's a great, for the aging dudes this evening. So I'm in the hotel and in the hotel room, the bathroom has your mirror, but it has one of those side mirrors that kind of unfolds. Oh, you know, folds out the middle mirror. Yeah, yeah.

And I wake up, you know, do my thing, take shower, try and like get my hair to look, you know, halfway decent. Whatever. So I used the little mirror and I go like, I see my head, bro, from this angle right here. Bro, I think every, hey, hey, the hair loss is really, I think every, every, every, every, every man that went bald has that story.

That one time, that time, I know, that, like, like, like, no, you were never in denial that you're sitting.

No, I was never in denial, but there is that there's a, there's a, there's a very clear moment in time. And I remember what mine was, it was when we were shooting content early days out in the front, and Rachel still worked for us. And I think her and Drew were behind the camera back then. And she's doing cuts, you know, and then she'd come over and she'd be like, and between cuts, I was down on my phone working. And that was when we had all of them soft lights up there.

So it was the bright lights. And so she's like, you know, what do you think of this edit? She's going through and then you see me put my head down and I'm like, yeah, what's happening? Nobody told me. It was like, that bad. You know, it's like,

I lived next day, I was shaved off, and then I never looked back.

“Well, so I'm like, I'm not as brave as you are. So I was telling my wife,”

because my wife's been slowly, like, encouraged me, cut your hair shorter, like, let's slowly transition. So I, their texts are like, baby, like, it's really bad. She's like, it's not, I'm like, kind of your short, you don't see the top. Like, you know, because you see me from my, it's how I feel Katrina was Katrina's like, oh, it's fine. I'm like, you don't see the top. Yeah, you don't see the end. Yeah. Yeah. So, so she's, she's like, this what you're going to do.

She goes, uh, when Vicki cuts your hair. So, so today's shorter, every week get a little shorter, little shorter, and then eventually you'll be all the way down. This is the interesting strategy. Yeah. I'm not against it. I think it's, and they get, it's interesting. I'm more of a rip the bandage. Yeah. Yeah. You get like the fruit cut gone. Because I'm trying to think if I, like, I'm looking at it right now. And I'm like, if I grew my back out, I think I might be like,

what would it be like this? Well, who knows though? It's been a while. So, I like, because I was, I was already committed before that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Your thin enough now, where I was, I was, that was enough for me. That was that the white light hitting the experience you just had, was enough for me to go like, but I also, you know, like, because, uh, and you'll see, watch when you get all these messages, because there's a bunch of dudes. Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I, as a kid, we, I shaved my head intentionally, like, all the time. So did I. Oh, you did okay. Yeah. Okay. So that shouldn't be a big deal for you. Yeah. Yeah.

“That's how I feel like it. Honestly, if we weren't on camera all the time, I wouldn't care less.”

I just shave it. But I just, I'm waiting for the comments. You know what I mean? Oh, you shaved his head. Where'd it go? You know, maybe becoming a beanie guy? A beanie guy? I don't know. You're not really a hack guy. No, you guys have good hot faces. I don't. The beat thing. Justin is Justin is the one that makes me the most angry. He's this gorgeous hair anywhere's hot all the time. It's like disrespectful. It's like,

just disrespectful to guys that don't have hair. I don't like to see a guy wear a ball cap. That was something we broke. I did. It's just not my thing, man. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever it is. What a gross disrespectful. Yeah. Sorry. You know, back in the day, bald heads were, uh, prized. And where would that? Yes.

I love that you could always back up. Yes. And then you used to shave their heads in

different cultures. You never brought this up when I was, but I was bald. No, I think that was because of syphilis. He starts going bald. He starts fighting. Yeah. He comes out with the size of the support. Why this makes him a superior man. No. That was syphilis and they got wigs. Well, no. Is that how the week thing started? Yeah. The powdered wigs. Like, yeah, it's syphilis. Yeah. Wow. No. I didn't know. Like, I know in Japanese culture,

men would shave the top. I know that, uh, for a long time, not, not recent, but a while ago, if you were great or especially bald, he was considered, uh, like, wisdom, you know, you were considered more wise. That's great. I love that. Yeah. I love a bald. No, really. It was, it was the end of the really long, you know, not that. Yeah. Whatever to. Must ask you to go with it. Are you, are you such a breast dog? Yeah. So in Egypt,

apparently it was a big thing. That's a bald head. Yeah. There you go. That's a long time ago, though. Okay. Things have changed. You'll be branded. Whatever. Well, I know. Factiac just a simple listening. I'm going to hit that. Oh, yeah. No, I'm on point. The crossbow is culture-shaving. What is the simple hair racist history of hair loss? Huh? Race? Look at the top. Race is this. The hidden racist. Come on. Everyone's racist. What's the stupid? Racist. See, right there. In some, that was that symbol of wisdom.

Historically, in some context, baldness was associated with maturity with them and nurturing, and it was treated with neutrality and art, rather than as a flaw. Yeah, just like a powdered wigs and syphilis. Well, I feel like I feel like the wisdom part is that because it's just like, if you like, like, for example, Doug with his all his hair and his good looks, compassion is a very young man still. Yeah. When you're bald, there's no passing as a yellow.

Because as soon as I became like, fully bald, I never got Carter to get. Really? Yeah. Never.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Once that happened, it was just like, wow. It's not that like athletic, you know. Yeah. There's no, like, can't pull off. Maybe he's seven. Yeah. No, he's like, he's for sure. Of age. We've seen several shelves. Yeah. Yeah. See, like, powdered wigs were heavily associated with the syphilis epidemic that played Europe, starting to eat. Thank you. Wow, popular, fashionable and necessary way to conceal the symptoms of the disease, which included pasture laws.

“So this is like the big white ones that like, the judges. Yeah. How did wigs? Yeah. That's what”

there's a whole powder wigs. There's a whole powder wigs. There's a whole powder wigs. They were out of you too. Anyway, they would have a wig. And I don't know if those human hair or horse hair, I think it was horse hair. And they would powder them with white powder to make them white, mm-hmm. So they're called powdered wigs. Oh, so those aren't those would be colored normally, but there's horse hair. They would use horse hair. No kidding. Yeah. I didn't know that. And they'd be

braided or whatever. Have you ever seen pictures of like Parliament, English Parliament, and the where I'm? I mean, I feel like I've seen that, but I didn't know that I didn't realize they were powdered. Yeah. I knew where the men were into that. You know what's weird though? Well, yeah, syphilis you were just screwed huh. Yeah. How did it go away back then? Did it? I don't think

Yeah. So the wigs were made out of human hair, horse hair, and goat hair.

Depending on how rich you were. So I suppose goat hair was like cheap. Yeah. Horse hair. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then they put powder on chest hair. It doesn't look like you had powder all over it. It looked like they're white. Yeah. But that's, that's because they're paintings. Have your picture. But it was powder. I guess that's a good point. Yeah. You

“want to know what's a weird trend that they did in Japan. I think it's Japan. The women would”

black in their teeth. Did you guys? Oh, yeah. That's true. What was like charcoal or it? I don't know what they would use, but because you'll still see old paintings. They used charcoal to brush your teeth back. No, no, no. This was like they would stain their teeth black. And this is like wealthy women would do this. That is weird. Yeah. I just picture it. I'm like, that will look this function. Yeah. No. And you can see old Japanese paintings with these, what, what was the theory on?

I don't know exactly. So then to signal wealth, right? Well, it was a jack. Okay. So here we go. It was called, how do you say that? Doug. Oh, Haguta. Good. Oh, good. Oh, good. Oh. It was a Japanese cosmetic custom, primarily practice from the, hey on. That's a long time. It's a practice from. So from 794 to 8 to Wow, 1868 periods were women and some men died their teeth black using a solution of iron fillings and vinegar. It's signified beauty, maturity, marital status and social

status. Also acting as a dental sealant to prevent tooth decay. Wow. Isn't it? Look at that.

And you'll see pictures of or paintings I have never heard of that. Black teeth though. Yeah. That's

what Doug did. Yeah. See right there? Why don't you think you don't have teeth? Yeah. Yeah. Dude, people are weird dude. So blaze the grass up your blitz on that big room. I, apparently, it's, uh, you know, part for the course. Yeah. That's kind of, that's fascinating. I know. Where did you come from? Did you come from? Did you cross that one? I read it a long time ago. Japanese culture

“and me's always been very interesting. That's what Doug and I have talked about this point. Did you know”

that one Doug? I'd heard it before. Oh, you say you did. Okay. So Doug and I have talked about this before because when we started maps, which we still haven't done, we said there was a number. We said, once we hit this number, we're going to go to Japan. We never did. We never went to Japan. But I've always wanted to show you past that number. Wait, Pat. Oh, yeah, long time ago. Do you remember? Do you remember what the number was? Yeah, I do. I'll tell you off air. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We passed

it. Of course. Mom too. No, no, no. That's when we launched that. That's hilarious. Yeah, but

it, but I'm still waiting. No. I want it. Japan has always been an interesting culture to me

because they did judo. I find it fascinating. I love the culture. I love how polite. Yeah. Yeah. I know what you're saying. I love the, I think the food is interesting. I always want to go to sumo match. I want to go to judo. You know, you know, the sumo match when they come over here is really cool. I know it's obviously not, you know, there. What about that? But it's that was like really cool. Yeah. sumo wrestlers over there aren't like, we need to sumo match over here. Yeah,

that's cool. Yeah, it's just celebrities. They're major celebrities over there. And I think they have like a big celebration. We turned 40 if I'm not mistaken. It's like a huge birthday. It's like crazy to watch the amount of food they can consume. Yeah. Anyone's sick. Yeah. Really? Where'd you see that? I've seen videos. I don't know. Yeah. That's a lot. That's a lot. It's a lot. What does it say about us every time we, we do this all the time? You know what? You and Doug started. Maybe it's your fault.

What? Well, there are, there's been a lot of milestones that we said we were going to do a thing. Yeah. Oh, we just bypassed that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think we've ever followed through. I don't think I've written any of these things. I think some of them are good to skip. Yeah. Well, yeah. There's something else happening here. You know what I'm going to do for them is again. There's a couple of crazy ones to talk about it. Maybe that's probably what we

didn't do those, those sort of those. But there's been a lot, there's been a lot of other ones besides that like of traveling somewhere or by this thing. You're doing like we've, we've said a lot of milestones. And we've, I don't think we've done any of none of them. None of them. So what does that say? We're busy. I think we can't. Yeah. So we just keep going and moving. Yeah.

“A trip to Japan would take, we'd have to go for at least two weeks. That's why. I think 10 days”

you can do a lot. Yeah. Have you done who would stop that? I have. You don't see a poor long, long time ago. You know, there's one of us in here that would stop the Japanese trip because it takes too long away from the business. I'm pretty sure everybody else will be okay. I think we can work 10 days out. There's one of us. One of us has a problem. Every time I take a day off, it's going to be hell. Hey, speaking of eating a lot, dude, I had to go up a size and viewery pants. Oh, bro. You double

Excel. No, the pants pants. So I wear the double. Not these, not these. The, which ones are the ones that look like slacks? Is it? Yes, that is. Meta. Yeah, it's from where. Love Meta. I usually wear 34. And it fits my waist, but my wife's been making fun of me because her two tight run my legs. Yeah. So I went got 36 as so. But the legs are a little tight. Yes, that's the same thing before that. Instead of, I'm just kidding. It's the car. Yeah, it's really coming into this thing. How's

Yeah, so last week, so I'll just be straight up. So this is just, it's obviously a struggle. It's a

small step forward for me. But there's, you know, on the cardio weeks, I'll still touch the weight to tiny bit because you can just the tiny bit. Just the tiny bit. Just the tiny bit. Jessica, do you come on? Just the tiny bit. You gave him way more. No, no, no, no, listen. Yeah, like ankle weights. No, I'll do like this. I'll do like a couple sets. Anyway, I'm, I'm just, just cardio, just cardio, and then the other week is just a strength train. It's actually making the strength train weeks,

really enjoyable because I miss it. And I don't, not like walking on the treadmill. I love listening to books. Yeah, I really enjoy listening to books. Well, the part to me that's interesting to me is that you allow yourself to still do this little thing where it's just like, why not just rip the bandaid

“all the way off? I'm not. I mean, wouldn't that, wouldn't that be the part that sounds so logical?”

I know, I know. But I mean, like, wouldn't that be what you would at least coach someone to do? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I know you. Let's keep going. I'll just keep going. But I mean, like, uh, so how do you do this? So when I, I set goals with a nutrition and exercise goals without, no, like, so in my, in my head, and I'm just curious about how you frame it for yourself. Like, it's not a successful weekend or we can till I've done that. Until I've proven, I can just do cardio,

no way, nothing like that. Do you say that to yourself or are you more like, like, this is, I'm easing my way into this training. That's a good job. And like, so is this, like, how do you, what's the self-talk through that process? I want, I want to be able to do it in a way.

I'm not, listen, here's what I'm trying. I'm, I'm taking small steps because I think if I take too big,

which is actually still a big step for me. Okay. So we'll obviously just doing a few sets, you know, a few times a week has it been scaling down the way down the way down because on the weeks I do cardio, I'll do maybe for the whole week, a grand total of six sets. That's that's not even one workout for me. No, that's like a quarter of a workout normally. So it's still a big scale down and it's early. I'm early in it. Okay. So I'm just taking it one little step at a time

“because I think, well, I know this. I know this about myself. If I go too far, I'll revert back”

and bounce that. So I mean, so again, so is that like the goal? Like, okay, I'm still progressing next week, maybe I'll try even less sets or no sets. Like, are you saying that to yourself? Yeah, what I'm trying, what I'm doing is I'm actually really starting to enjoy the weeks that I don't lift that much and just listen to a book. So I think the more I do that, the more enjoy it, then the less I should be able to do is what I think. But we'll see, dude. We'll see.

It's a sense of a gun, man. It's a, it's a, everybody has their thing. This is mine. Yeah, no, it's really making me, I'll tell you what, dude. It makes me so empathetic to when we have callers who have challenges around nutrition and workouts. It's like, man, I get it, dude. It's a weird strange. Everybody has their thing. Some people, it's, you know, things that are like real obvious, alcohol drugs, whatever. You know, fitness is a good thing.

“So it could be even harder to tackle because it's supposed to be a good thing, right?”

Yeah. It's like a work addiction. Work is a good thing. What do you mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I totally get it. So when I talk to people, I'm like, all right. And I've been coaching people like this for a long time, but we'll take one little step at a time, because you push too hard, either yourself or someone else. You just go now. Now, do you, do you, do you consider this connected also with the nutrition piece, or are you handling those separately, or are you trying

to handle those at the same time? Like, oh, you know, diet has never been a huge big thing. I'm not

so I'm not stuffing myself. So I'm like trying to eat a ton of food. I just have a high appetite. So that's not an issue. That's not going to be a problem for me. It's the workout. The, the big thing is the workout. It's the lifting. You know, I got to go lift. I got to get a pump. Okay. So you're not trying to like, you know what? I need to really also probably cut back on some calories, too. No, I mean, not really. That's not really a big thing for me. It's the workouts for sure. I

could change the diet all day long. You know what happened if I change the diet? I'll just try to get shredded. Well, I mean, I almost feel like if you don't, you're, you just can keep, because this break, I don't think it's going to revert in any less muscle at all. I think you're going to just get more muscle. If you keep your eating the way it's eating, you're eating right now, and you scale back up. Well, here's a deal here. If I do this to try to get smaller, yeah, it's not going to work.

I have to, I have to do this to break the cycle and enjoy it, and then the side effect will probably be less muscle. But if I'm trying to force this result, I could, that's where I, that's where I don't agree. Yeah, thank you. Well, it's like somebody, I think you're going to build more muscle. I mean, okay. So it's like somebody who's like, I really want to, you know, I really want to

look, just try to chase performance and yeah, let's see how you look. Yeah. So if I just go and

try to kind of break the cycle, break the addiction a little bit, break the connection, yeah, then how or if I look is however I look. But if I'm like, I'm going to make myself lose muscle, you know, easily I could twist that into getting shredded. Then it becomes like I'm going to get down to four percent body fat type of thing. Yeah. So, and I know myself. Yeah, it's interesting.

“I know. I think it's interesting. Well, we have today's a big day too. I get, I get current”

sexist scans since we started, so yeah, it's really interesting. What's your, what do you think? You know, per calories, she increased them quite a minute. Oh, yeah, a lot. So this is what's, this is what, well, I wish that I was out there with her right now because I'd want to communicate her and so she'll get to listen to this afterwards no matter what is, no matter what the results are, I'm, I'm already happy with where we're at. Yeah. So I'm, I'm, I'm praying that they come back and

they don't alarm her in anyway, right? Because no matter what, I knew I wanted to go here. Yeah. And, because, and last week was a tough week, heading into this week and, you know,

one of the things that we, you know, we saw a new number on the scale again with that we've never

seen. And one of the things that I let her know, I said, hey, just so you know, you know, we're heading to Dexa. I actually had already before when we first started this, I had a number of my head, I wanted to push you all the way up to. And here's still under that. And so, and she was like, oh, wow, really? And I'm like, yeah, I said, so you're doing great. Like, you're, you're, she's inspiring me to do. Yeah, she's, she's very courageous.

Yeah, I've been so, you know, impressed with all the things that she's juggling right now too. We have a, she does a lot for the business and she's got a lot of stuff going on and, and, you know, moving all the way across the country, there'll be over here and then to also be doing this, is like, she's very strong, very, very strong and tough. And we have not, I anticipated a lot more hard conversations that we would have to have and sort of setbacks and like, okay, like,

let's get back on the horrors type of, she's been like, whatever I tell her. She's just, wow, and I've really, and I've continued like, like, just keep challenging your challenging and I keep waiting for her to like have that kind of like, okay, it's okay. Let's, we'll go, go, but she's been. She looks so healthy too. She looks so good. Very, very healthy.

“Yeah, and everybody keeps coming up and telling me, I'm like, you should tell her that because”

I don't know if you're telling her that because I think so too. She doesn't need to hear that. I'm trying not to say anything about her appearance because I know other people aren't, I don't want to add more focus on, you know, how she looks. Yeah, but I see that she's strong. That's it, you know, it's, and she's inspiring me. That's what I'm communicating to her because really, she was one of the, you know, there's a lot of things that have been inspiring me to see her do that.

It's like, okay, I gotta, I gotta tackle this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I'm, so I'm curious. So my, my guess is, I mean, I, you know, I, I hope we, we put on a solid four, maybe five pounds of muscle, you know, it would be really, it would be really, it'd be really long. I, it's been, what would you say last

time first? I mean, I'll know when I see the dates, but I don't know the 45 days.

It sounds about right. It sounds about right. It sounds where we're around there. I'd be great. Yeah, yeah. I think, uh, I think so. I mean, you gotta know right away that there's, I mean, you jumped the calories. We've jumped, uh, there's a lot of water going on right now, right? So with,

“with this actual scale, um, but yeah, I think, I think we could have put four pounds of muscle on that,”

right? I mean, she's hit three r after PR after PR and so, so, and, you know, so this is good to talk about because, you know, what if it didn't come back that? What if it doesn't come back? We've only put one pound of muscle on or something. She still has to go this far. Right. Exactly. And we talk about this on the show a lot too, because it comes in with these weird waves. Like sometimes, uh, it's then, then all of a sudden two weeks ago buy a show, but don't four or five pounds. It's not like you

add like this perfect. Oh, there's this perfect mathematically equation of like being a calorie surplus for a pound every three days or whatever. Yeah, yeah. And, and, and she, but we know we're doing the right things because she's hitting PR, she's strong and her workouts. She's like muscle bellies are getting filled out like all as good, but I hope for the sake, uh, for the, the psychological part as she's going and building and doing this, that she gets the secret result. She get her hormones

tested. I would be surprised if her hormones didn't just get more optimized from feeding herself. You know what, I'll ask for the last time she did blood work. We didn't do blood work together. So, but that kind of wish I, uh, the hormones are so strongly affected by, uh, if you're constantly trying to eat minimal or, you know, in a deficit, that'll make your hormones not look. Well, even without seeing the blood work, I think that's a testament to why we're hitting

PRs and everything right there. For sure, you know what I'm saying. That's part of it. Like, yeah, so a part of it is like, you ain't going to build a bunch of, you get really strong and have your

happen is we don't see as much muscle as I would have liked to, which would mean that the scale

“is going to read higher body fat percentage and things like that. That would, would normally spend”

somebody out. And why I'm saying is like, that's still wouldn't even spend me out as a coach. It's that these things are starting to organize and give better. And the, the pop, even more positive results could end up piling on down the road, which just highlights again how this happens to people sometimes where they can get really discouraged is like, you know, you're doing the work, you're putting it in, your your body's just starting to get healthy. And then you go test again to see where you're at.

And then you don't see the results that you want. You're like, oh, after this, it's not working. It's like, no, you were just starting to really, and so I, and this is really common with, especially my, my female clients that I've trained before is like, you know, we first have to really feed that body in and get healthy. And then they don't start doing the things you want. I eat burning body, actually building muscle. Easy. Yeah, it gets becomes easier. So, you know, don't bail just because

your first test isn't amazing or what I like that. But I, I feel pretty good. I think we're going

to, I mean, from what I, when I see from where she looks and the, her, what I'm seeing her do PR, why is she doing it right now with Dr. Yeah. So we'll find it literally. Oh, yeah, we'll know

“you should do a story about it. Yeah. I mean, well, I will see. Like, we'll, no matter what, we'll obviously,”

I'll talk about it. And I'm sure she'll talk about it. But I'm, I'm excited to see some kind of progress. Speaking of hard work, Justin, I know you did something this week. Yeah. What did you win? So what was that picture you missed the whole. Oh, yeah. Well, I'm, so I'm trying to list my house. And there's some things that I just was co-works into doing. So that way too, we could kind of maximize the potential. And I could like, you know, get more profit out of this and

do some of the work myself. So what do you do? So, so you know, whenever you get irisceptic inspected, you need to dig it out. Oh, I don't know. So you, okay. So you just go to this. Yeah, I'm going to educate here. Okay. That's what it's like. Yeah, the food goes in the tanks. Okay. So there's lids and then a lot of like mine had like one was like six foot down. The other was like four foot. And the thing is you base this off of a plan, which is like drawn up. It was like hand drawn.

You can go to like city records, all this kind of stuff. And we're trying to find like better plans for this. And like there's literally just like a hand drawn like here's a box like arbitrary box here. There's no like measurements to go off of based off of like where the house is in proximity to the drainage to this treasure hunt. It's exactly exactly. Did you flip that in your head like that to make you thought, I didn't even think about it. I didn't think in the treasure hunt.

It was not. Yeah, you have a crappy map. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. X marks. I bet you X is that they, yeah, but he wishes that someone would have framed it that way. So like let's have some fun with this kid. And I'm like, my whole thing before I even got started, I'm like these, these guys, like obviously they're deferring because they charge like premiums to come dig. And I was like, that's absurd. How much money they're trying to charge to just dig this out. My final, you know,

final, do it. And now I know why they charge like premiums. Like because it's you, you don't know. Like, and I'm like, they have to have some kind of like hack or whatever. I'm trying to like ask around.

Nobody's helped me out. So the first day we're just digging, you know. Like, okay, based off of this,

I'm like trying to, you just start digging. So dig it. And then I look, I'm like, a smart contracture would probably have like written like on the house somewhere, like, you know, it directionally, like this distance away, like, or, you know, I'm like, so I was looking on, you know, the post that was like holding up our deck. And I'm like, I saw some numbers on there. I'm like, oh, maybe this is it. You guys are like, we're going out for this theory. And it's nowhere. You know,

absolutely nowhere. And like, I'll show you picks, but like, we literally started one place, had to go all the way over here, combined both of it with deeper, like, I have, there's layers. I hit all kinds of different. We did typing just shovels. Oh, my god.

“Yeah, I don't know how the picture. So we don't, so here's the thing. Like,”

this was all low tech, like, everything, because I can't fit heavy machinery in my backyard. There's like no real, like, access point. Like, I would love to have like, you know, like, you know, get rented and, you know, dug it out and had fun with it. But no, so I was doing that. I fully felt like chain gain. And we were like, we were digging. I had like a little, like,

headline pawn and we were digging till it was like eight o'clock at night the first day. And I was,

like overworked, I switch it into this, like, adrenaline response and so I woke up just, like,

“energized, crazy, get back after it. We're digging again. And we have to then now we have to get rid of”

these, like, huge redwood stumps. And so I'm like, well, I have a guy I know that was, like, a friend of mine, he actually works at the wood shop. He teaches wood shop at the local high school. And also, he used to be a lumberjack. And I'm like, well, this guy can help me out. And so, you know, cost a bunch of thousands of dollars to get rid of all this stuff. And he's like, oh, dude, just give me a couple hundred bucks. Like, dude, rad, come on. He comes down. He has this huge,

chainsaw that was, like, for me to you, like, like, blade wise. And I'm helping him kind of, like, move these huge rounds and lift it. And we're, like, up, substantial height, you know, like, 10, 12 feet up. And we're just, we're saw in these, like, like, hundreds of pounds rounds. And I'm trying to chuck it. So it doesn't roll all the way down the hill. And like, going to my, my neighbors, like, house. And so we're trying to stabilize it. And anyways, like, it was just, it was madness.

It was crazy, like, the work we were doing. And like, I ended up, like, losing a control of one of them and it, like, went over the side and actually smashed my fence and, like, broke the fence. So I got to fix the fence. And so we, anyway, he left, he had to go. And so I had to get rid of these rounds.

“So the only thing I have was, like, I had a mall, like, an axe mall. I don't have, like, a working”

chainsaw. I borrowed from my dad. And I'm trying to, like, get through it. And he gives me one that's just, like, totally shot. And I'm, like, trying to look how to fix it. I'm like, the kids are, like, really involved digging and chopping and, like, moving and, like, hauling. And so it, the benefit of all of this stuff. And it just, I could go on and on. But it was, like, it was just mad, crazy, hard, grueling work. And I haven't done that in, like, I can't tell you how long it's been. And it just reminds

you, like, oh my god, this is like where I started. And then I just knew, like, I can't, like, sustain this.

Like, this is unsustainable. You know, and the kids have never done anything that hard. So they're, like,

yeah, like, they're getting, like, amped about taking their shirts off, like, you know, hitting his heart as they can't get nowhere. You know? Just, dad, look what I do. Yeah, buddy. Yeah. Every now and they get one. And I actually Ethan, he's got a little more mass. So he was, like, you know, getting through whatever was getting frustrated because he's, I'm like, dude, you're, you're shredded. You, you don't have mass yet. You know, that's, it's going to be different. Trust me.

But he was doing a great job digging it. And did you find it? So we found one lid. We didn't find the other one. So that's still, you know, up in the air. I have, like, four rounds left. We split, like, 12 rounds or so. Bro, can I just say what a good friend you are? Because you didn't ask Adam. I was a bug to help you. I know. I know better. You, I know better. You. I feel like, oh, I got to go help justice. But you didn't. You're a good friend.

The worst part is I go, like, a barrel of things from people. And it's just been the same process. Like, I should just bought it. Like, I end up getting, like, faulty things. And then it, like, the chicks away from, like, daylight. Like, daylight is, is the, the currency. Like, I needed more. I need one more day to really complete and finish. So we're going to have to delay the pictures. Because my backyard looks like a whoresow. It's just saw us. Like, you guys are in a diet. You know,

I was like, stabilizing in my friend was cutting in, like, so because it's such a big saw, like, the amount of volume of of, uh, saw to us was just cocky. My, my, my. It was insane, dude. I was so dirty and just, like, just, and I loved it. I had this weird part of me. I just loved it. And you're, you're sadistic, bro. Yeah. But now I'm, you know, now I'm like, oh, my god. I'm so exhausted. I would have, I would have, how much money did you say? Yeah. Take red. Yeah. It better be, it better be.

I don't know, it's 20, 30 range. Oh, you think 20, they're. I think so. No, dude. Come on. Okay. So I saw the word, but it's like, okay, it's all your 10 for just the removal of these huge, okay. That's fair. Uh, and then it's at least five to six for, like, the digging part. Uh, so yeah, yeah. And it's probably the last two was hoping, but worth it. For the lesson to give, again, I'm reframing this. Now,

“you have to have to reframe this. Like, this is, I wanted them to, you know, I'm, I'm”

looking always looking for opportunity for the. Yeah, I haven't turned 100% haven't two boys.

boys. This is a good lesson. I don't want to do this. I could afford to go base on this,

but I'm going to go do this because it, it's a, I think I could see my, I would do that. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of did that as I was going, because I was like very tempted to just like call some people. I was like, do we? We need some for reinforcements. And then if I didn't have, or if I, if I had to do that, like, right now, because my boys too little to do any of that, I would call you guys. And I'd tell you, listen, this seems to cost me this much. I need you guys to have to come over here,

because then I know salad just kind of check. So fast. So fast. How much? How much is it? I'd be like,

“hey, I love you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. So that's how you were smart. You would”

afraid to like, hey, guys, trying to save about 10 grand. How much do you do? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

you just want to do this. And you really need your help. You know, I never ask you to do that. So then

salad feel healthy, guilty. And he's like, hey, bro, you know what, I'll just, just tell me how much is I'm going to pay for it. 100%. Oh, that's the new. That's brutal. Do you, but yeah, but you were sore. So sore. But then I got up and I sprung, if it's so weird, you know, I can't even like, explain it completely, because it was just like, I have this bolt of energy, even right now. I'm like, very energetic. I wish I think it's all going to go away. This is where I wish you were like,

or rings, I think that could be kind of cool that like see, see, what you burned. Yeah, that's crazy. How hard you slept because of that. I mean, you felt it. That's why, because I slept deep and hard. Yeah, keep it hard. And that's the other thing, too. It's like, you always make, like, I do have two modes. You know, and it, like, I really like hard, fucking work. Like, I want to do something really hard. Otherwise, I'm like, yeah, like, you know, the maintenance stuff is like so unmotivating.

I'm, you know, part, you know, I've been on this like sleep journey thing. Part of my theory on like,

“I, the sleep routine, all of stuff like that. Why I think it's become, because it was never”

felt like it was that important to me before. And we've, you know, we've kind of gone back and forth. Is that just because we were young or so. And I also think there's another layer to that and Justin's touching on it right now that the amount that I used to physically exhaust my life, even even like a good hard workout today, still nothing compared to what it was in my mid 20s or even like, yeah, like, I would not only train hard, I was moving heavy stuff all day. Like, you even like,

you just being in the sun. Yeah, physically exhausted myself. I'm going to work on a more regular basis. And I think that has a lot to do because I've already connected already. Like, man, I got to do at least that 8,000 steps and I need to get that good hard workout in and to even think I'm going to get close to decent sleep. If I don't do that. And so I think a lot has to be with like, that's part of why I'm not and is tough to get it. That bet you if I did something like that,

with you, I would be just, you know, you know, messes me up with the planes planes. If I'm on a plane even for an hour. Oh, I just feel like crap. Yeah. I don't know why, but what's the name Scott, when we talked to Scott, he said, I guess the oxygen concentration on the planes is really low. And so he explained that. I mean, I hope I'm still right now. Last night, I couldn't even get my orring off because of how much water was holding flying. When I when I fly, I definitely get all,

“and that's how I can tell is my orring. You know, I mean, did you try the compression stock?”

I did what you could. I just got to get my nature's log to press. That's very goes, Fades.

Yeah. Yeah. Hey Doug, I got to ask you. You did. You were the first one out of us to do the

appointment with Vita Bella. Oh, you did yours. Yeah. How to go. It went well. Yeah. I mean, I spoke to the medical professional. And basically, I was just getting some of the things I already had. Yeah. And that was on. And I think the 19th is when I had that. So the reviews are coming in from from people who are going through them. And they're all good reviews. Like super good service. So was it fast easy? It was super fast. So I, of course, I kind of knew what I needed and wanted.

I already had my labs. And so it was 19th, which was the Thursday and everything was shipped out right afterwards and arrived on Tuesday. Wow. That went. Yeah. Wow. By the way, that's a nice change. By the time this goes live, California should be all set now. Oh. Yeah. So you can go to MPhornmones.com. Yeah. Set up. Yeah. Yeah. So California. Yeah. So California. That. I mean, and by the way, like he had to move, you know, heaven and earth to try and get all the good, get through all the

right tape of California. I mean, this is why obviously he did before, but did it just because of our show and because we have such a large listener base in California. So just for people to know, what's the, what is it monthly? It's like a hundred and twenty nine hundred forty seven thirty nine, one is one thirty nine. It includes that includes your testosterone, whether you're a man or a woman. So your testosterone replacement or in clomophine or B12. Yes, shots. Yeah. And then if you prepaid for the year,

you save 10%. 10% and then they'll give you your flat flat panel for. Yeah. Yeah. And even if you,

go to the monthly, their blood panels are only eighty nine bucks. That's it. Yeah. And if you have already done blood panels within the last six months, they can use those. Right. So you don't have to do new ones.

No. Yeah. Super. Super. Super. Right. So don't know, we even get you on testosterone finally.

Yes. Keep sticking. I mean, I don't see a reason to do it. Tell me if you convince. That's true. You don't, you're not curious about what 205 does looks like. I'm curious for sure. I mean, I think I would love it. You know, but again, I'm also not wanting to interrupt my own production. She's got like, he's got like high TRT natural level. Now have you told yourself, if and let's say in the next eight years, it were to dip down. Would you that? I got to totally

consider for sure. So he could go down to half and you don't have heights of testosterone.

“I know. That's what I mean though. What if it, because you know, you've monitored now consistently”

for a long time. Half, half would make, if he went down half, he would feel like lower. He would feel it. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, last blood test was at 1600. And I can't remember my freeze rise. Good, too. My free was good, too. Yeah. That was my big concern. I was really working to get my free up. Yeah. And so as of now, I do feel good. I mean, I'm not getting as jack. Maybe as I potentially could if I was taking. Are you just warning all the time with that much

of testosterone? Do you really want to know? Yeah. Yeah. That took a turn. Remember first birthday? Yeah. Remember me talking about that. Nice things about Ben. It's such a great love. This girlfriend. Yeah. Everyone said such nice things about Doug. He's a great man. He's a good father. He gets to hurt. He's a great lover. Oh my god. Okay. Yeah. You could be worse than you. I guess.

“Exactly. You could be worse than you. I mean, you're a dude. I mean, that's kind of not the bad thing”

if you get around you. Everyone was like, everyone knows that would put on the podcast. Yeah. So the call. Yeah. But your box delivers high quality meats to your door and

incredible prices. Grass fed meat heritage pork, wild cop fish. If you like protein,

you want the good stuff. You want the healthiest stuff. And you want to save money. You go to butcher box. By the way, they have a mine pump box. The mine pump box is our favorite cuts of meat, which includes rib eyes, bone in chicken thighs, premium steak tips, baby back ribs, the gluten-free chicken nuggets. Those are amazing. And flat iron steaks. If you go to butcherbox.com/mine pump, you'll get yourself a hookup. New users will get their choice between free chicken breast

for a year or shrimp for a year or ground beef for life. All of that, my butcherbox.com/mine pump. Our first caller is Charles from New Jersey. I'm glad to be on here. I really appreciate all you guys do. I know you guys hear that all the time, but there was kind of a screen shot of like in 2022. I was like in the throws of active addiction in alcoholism. And God came in. She just

came and saved me out of that. And never since then, my life has just gone in the right direction.

And I appreciate you guys having rock or cover your own stuff like that because it ties together

“like this faith fellowship type of vibe that you guys have, which I think separates you from”

any other podcast out there that speaks about fitness. So I really appreciate that. Thanks, thank you. That's awesome. How can we help you, brother? Awesome. So right now, so I'm working out with, he's actually the pastor of my church. We work out in my house in the mornings. I have a little gym set up. I have a squat rack. I have a it's all a little bit like proper year, a dip bar. Anyway, so we're doing, you gave me strong last time I was

on. So I really appreciate that. So we do strong in the winter time to bulk. And then we do anabolic in the fall. And then we do aesthetic in this spring into the summer. Okay. So my question is like, where do I go? Kind of still not get up between the three like there's kind of that looking at it like almost quarterly like knock out run this program, run this program. What's one of Chisquees in there now to kind of close the circle? Cemetery or performance. That's the

cemetery or performance. Either one of those will be perfect. Perfect additions. They would be very complimentary. What you have was strong. Strong's got some some decent functionality. But it is somewhat a sagittal plain focused. Maths and a bulk very sagittal plain aesthetic, very body builder focused. And so symmetry or performance would help fill the gaps. It would help with lateral stability, you know lateral strength, it would really help bolster your joints. So if you

training body building lean, then you would go symmetry. But either one of them would be a great

“addition. So you pick, I'll save you which one you want, bro. Thank you. A symmetry would be awesome.”

I really appreciate that. Yeah, I know that the whole program like has really gave me a lot of like, in my life, it's given me the structure that I was lacking. I thought the math programs give that structure and that the videos and all those things. So you know, you guys are a great job, and I truly appreciate all that you guys do. Yeah, Charles, I'm reading your question too here. It says you gain 15 pounds of muscle using maps wrong. Tell me about that. Yeah, so yeah, so I went from

so strong. I really bolt. I was eating a lot of whole foods. Puns of protein, tons of carbs and

protein calories. And then I went from, I was like on a bench, like I was benching like,

I could do 225 like three times. And then after strong, I was knocking it off for like 10 or 12.

“That's crazy. Wow. Yeah, yeah, it's like I used to always do the bro work out. So like I”

go to the gym and they'd be like, oh, we guess, buys and chest. And now because of like, you know, the programs I have really like well around, it's well around in the, like, in my fitness journey. So that's awesome. Yeah, so symmetry sounds great. That's like a, that year of programming. That is such a beautiful mix of training. You're set. Yeah, yeah. You get a really good results with that combination. Yeah. For sure. Awesome. Well, appreciate you guys on me on.

Thank you so much for everything. You guys do again. And I'll get, I'll look out for symmetry and then I'll get working on that. And I'll let you know how it goes. You got it, man. Yeah, Charles. Yeah, appreciate you calling him. Thank you. Do some thanks, guys. That's great. That's a lot of strength to muscle. Especially, I mean, he's not a 20 year old kid who just started off to, you know, probably been left in most of his life. And by the way, when you, I mean, he said a little bit

on his question, but when he has, he sends in an email. So people send an email and you can read, you know, as I'm reading his email, I mean, he's a recovering addict. Yeah. He had a really bad issues with alcohol. And now he is working out sober. He's got a strong faith, just incredible transformation. And I just want to, you know, give a fitness is such a great vehicle for, yeah, it's so it's such a great way to get to help someone move away from some, you know, some of

those unhealthy addictions. You could always, you know, fitness wrong, too. But as a vehicle for

improving your mental health, for giving you discipline and structure or physical health, it's a core of everything. That's amazing. Yeah. Our next color is Rob from New Jersey. What's up, Rob? I do a robin in. Hey, hey, guys, how's it going? Good. How can we help you? Well, new location. I'm in Florida now. But anyway, thanks for taking the call and I appreciate I listen to you guys every week. More than once a week, actually, probably every other day. But I just wanted to, you know, you guys are the experts in this.

And I know a couple of you guys did some physique competition. So I'll give you a little background on myself and then what, you know, I'm looking for some advice on. Always worked out my whole life, except for like a three short year, three year span when my wife got pregnant. I decided to get pregnant with her about 23 years ago with my daughter. So during that time, I was the only time I was kind of a little out of shape. But then got back into it again. I got heavily into triathlons,

Ironman distance. I did a bunch of Ironman, a bunch of half Ironman about 40 marathons. I don't know how many there were. But I did all that kind of endurance sport activity until 2023. And at that time, I had a herniated disc. I went to get surgery and had some real major complications during surgery because paralysis on my left leg couldn't walk. I started the game, you know, heavy recovery and a lot of rehab worked my ass off for that. And I was able to get most of the function back

of my leg. And just have like weakness now in, in like the support muscles of the leg, like the ankle area. So if I run in a mononic uneven surface, I could fall over. So I decided to obviously stop doing triathlons and marathon and got into physique training for, you know, shows. And I also

“on the side to Brazilian jujitsu. I don't remember which one of you guys do, but I know one of you guys”

do. So I do that as well. I've been doing F-20 years. I'm, uh, should be a black belt by now. But would all my injuries stop a couple of times. So I'm a, a Brambell. And so I do that. And I, I'm training

very disciplined on my workouts. I don't miss a day. Probably even, I don't follow my own,

guidance to people because I do some personal training and coaching on the side myself. I never

take any days off, but I, I take muscle parts off, muscle groups off. Um, my diet's really tight for the shows. Uh, last show, I went in with a really, really good package. I was 2.8 percent body fat. I did it on 3 in body machines. It was like 0.1 plus or minus. And I was 168 pounds. All season, I'm about 185. I have a coach, my coach. Um, I, I had a coach in the jersey when I was there.

“I'm trying to find a coach in Florida, which I think I found one. He wants me to get up to like 200”

pounds and get to like 185 for my next show. But my issue is I can't get out away from second place. I'm 51. And I'm in the, so I'm in the 15 older group. I go down in the 40 and older group too. So I do both. And I do like usually a novice or an open or something like that. The last show I was in, I had a pretty stacked 40 and over group. It was like 15 guys in there. And I came in second, and then the 50 and older. I came in second again. And the, the shows I did before that, I'm like,

like, third second, whatever somewhere in that ballpark. My problem is, I think I'm fit. I had the fitness that the show is requiring. Um, but I don't have the size. And I'm struggling with putting size on. And I have enough awareness to know that I have a little dysmorphia when it comes down to get a little belly fat when you're trying to put on size. But I just wanted to get your guys input on, you know, maybe I should change up my program. I guess every coach needs a coach, right?

So I maybe I should change my program. Maybe I need to do some a little different with my diet. And I just wanted to get your insight on that. I have, uh, I have a lot of thoughts. Um, first of all, taking second is incredible. Okay. So that's first and foremost. And amongst all that, everything that you do, right? I mean, your full-time work, kicking ass, jiu-jitsu. And you still have the ability to get up on stage and finish in the top five is impressive as shit. Second,

“you have to know by now if you've been doing this enough times, there's a lot of politics and shows, too.”

So it's not always the best physique technically takes first place. A lot of times, it's the guy who's

being coached by the guy who sponsors won't the show and gives the most money to make sure that show keeps operating. So there's a lot of bullshit and politics in bodybuilding. As you probably know, if you don't know, there is. So if you're not part of the click, it's tough to take first place, no matter how great of a physique you present. So that all aside, because I do agree with your coach, when I tell all of my competitors, shows are one of the off-season. What you bring to the stage,

it's isn't where it wins the show. That's what reveals the hard work from the off-season. And so I do kind of agree with it, whether the poundage that he's saying is exactly right, but you got to gain. We've got to, if we're going to show up with a bigger, especially if the judges, that's their feedback is, you're a little smaller than the other guy and we need to put, so and that is all done in the off-season is can you put enough size on in the off-season

that when we get ready to cut for the show, we have the the biggest version of you to reveal. It's not done and it's not your cut. It's not a lack of your diet. It's not a lack of your discipline to get down to two three percent, which you obviously can do all that. It's can you work through the mental part of putting on, and you're going to have to carry a little bit of body fat to put on that kind of size. Like you can stay lean and putting 20 pounds of

muscle on is nearly impossible. So you're going to have to eat to get big and most likely not move as much as you move in order to kind of put that size on. And that's where the show is won. The show is won in what you can do in the off-season to get ready for the next show. Or you kind of just keep kicking ass like you are, too. I mean, if you're my client, you and I are having a little bit of this

“back and forth conversation, and I'm going Rob, like is it that important to win first or like if you”

want to really win first above all things, then we start to shift your whole life around body building, and it starts thinking that way. But it sounds like you're pretty goddamn impressive with everything that you that you already kind of do. And that was kind of my attitude on competing. It was like, I'm competitive as ship. Like getting to the pro level was the big major accomplishment for me.

I never placed above six place at the pro level, and I never cared enough because I have a career

and it was always about building that and I have other things that were important to me. And I proved to myself that I could show up with a better package every single show. And I got a handful of trophies to show that and it's cool. But it's like if I really wanted to make a career out of this and try to make it to Olympia or be first place as a pro, man, it's a lot of politics. It's a lot of sacrificing

kind of all by thought. So I like to hear what you think from here in that. No, I appreciate that. I mean, look, I have a full-time job. This is definitely not my job. I'm an executive in a mid-tech company. So I'm traveling all over the place and it's really tough. As you could imagine, I mean, you did

show, so you know what it's like prepping and being out on hotels like every week, basically,

“and eating out and doing what you need to do. I'm weighing food in front of customers, it's hysterical.”

It actually makes for good conversation, too. But nevertheless, my goal, because I'm a very, obviously, very competitive person, I've been in competitions my whole life, I'm looking to get first so I could get a pro card. And I'm not going to Olympia and I'm not looking to even probably going

to a pro show. I just want to get a pro card and that's my goal, just like getting a black button,

jujitsu is. The question that I have is, do you think there's a program that I should be doing training differently than I'm training now? I guess, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

training differently than I'm training now? I guess yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes so like what just hearing kind of your breakdown of who you are like and and obviously if we were coaching I would get even even even more to go but I would probably have to scale back your amount of activity and volume and really feed you so it looked more like a map Santa ball at type of protocol last days in the gym. Hidden in hard and heavy when we do trying to gain and build and more food so I would I would push the calories and I'd have you on a program like a map Santa ball type of program, which I bet is way less volume and days in the gym than you it's a three day week full body routine and I bet you're more of a five to seven day a week type of guy who trains and probably hour yeah so and and that's kind of scene counter intuitive because it's not a lack of you need to push more you need to let your body grow and in order to let your body grow.

You probably got to pull back on the volume a little bit focused on getting strong with maps in a ballic feeds your body more food than it's ever been fed before and that's that that is that's the way we're going to get to the pro car. Rob you train naturally or are you a enhanced or you train naturally. No I'm natural man I mean that's the other problem I have. Yeah I take I take well I I wouldn't say natural totally I had very very low testosterone levels when I was doing triathlon because I was a fanatic about eating fat so I just ate a lot of carbs and protein and then I didn't I mean 20 plus hours a week on a bike and I think it kind of damaged my my my goods down there a little bit and I had when I went to go and get my testosterone checked.

“It was 160 yeah so so I was on I've been on TRT since I was 35 okay and we read your levels like I think I just got a test that I'm like four or 54 80 something like that.”

So it's not like I'm pumping in 1200 on my my my test but I go into these shows and these dudes are no question because I can't go into an actual show being on testosterone. Guys are definitely enhanced yeah the reason I ask you that Rob is gaining because you know if you go from you you compete at 168 come back at 182. That's a lot of lean body mass the gain. Which is tough to do with you know TRT levels of testosterone and your age and all that stuff now I do agree with Adam reducing the volume increasing calories that's that's the protocol.

Now here's the other thing though you're you probably have an incredible recovery ability and tolerance considering your background to be able to compete.

There's many iron man's and half marathon and half iron man's for people on a wear and iron man is a marathon plus plus a lot of a lot of cycling a lot of swimming so.

“If to be able to do that as often as you did you probably have a really exceptional ability to recover so the program that I think would do that you would do well with would be maps and a ballic advanced.”

So it's higher than maps and a ballic you're in the gym about four days a week it alternates high intensity low volume with higher volume lower intensity and I think someone like you would probably respond well that and it's probably I can pretty much guarantee it's less volume. You're currently doing so it's definitely going to collect the volume it's not as low as a traditional maps and a ballic which might actually be too low of all you for someone like you and bump the calories and you'll know it's working because you're going to get stronger.

You're going to need 12 to 15 pounds of lean body mass at this stage that's a big that's a big well it's I think we could put on five to six pounds of lean body mass by the time you hit stage it's just going to take us some time to happy it's going to take what you don't want to do and I don't know if you've already done this or not but like I told my competitors like we don't we don't pick a show yet like we go in the off season let's go build let's go let's go folks because this could take three months could take six months could take nine months but let's agree that we're going to go build and put some size on you that you've never seen before.

And then we're going to then we'll get then we'll then we'll nail down a show what a mistake a lot of competitors do is they go oh this works in my calendar I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to train I'm going to take that show August 16th and then you start trying to put it all together now it's like no let's go focus on your off season.

I'm supposed to be a 33 hundred a day right now and I'm barely getting in 2500 yeah no way just because my I'm just like all over the day everything I eat is clean as a whistle like I don't change what I eat from prep to show you just eat from prep prep to off season rather.

“I just eat more volume all season maybe I'll throw in like a couple of pretzels here or there but I don't I don't do anything like out of the ordinary and maybe I'm a little bit tighter on the condiments to during prep.”

But overall I'm just not getting enough calories and and part of it is because you guys know how this is man you like.

And I get a little belly front I lose my mind you know what I mean and it's trying to put on some some mass at the same time and then I go to the gym and I'm like all right well maybe I'll do more 10 more minutes to stare mass just to make sure I don't put that belly fat on. And in addition to my my half hour that I did prior to my workout and cardio and then do my workout and I do that every freaking day right my bad one is in my head but mind you when I give the advice like you're giving to clients.

“I say the exact thing that you're saying.”

You know I mean what you want to coach I mean it sounds like you have one over there we virtual coach over here if you do you think that would help having somebody who's kind of just staying on top of the the diet and kind of dry steering it for you I mean.

Yeah yeah what mind especially somebody that's been doing this kind of stuff before that knows how to deal with you know somebody that has a little bit of a mental struggle like me.

It's not a ball advanced hit consistent calorie targets you'll gain you'll gain muscle on that yeah for sure but that I mean 2500 calories guy like you you're you're going to you're just going to maintain the hard parts of the mental part Rob I can tell already you're disciplined guy you have you have the work ethic and all that stuff like that it can be letting go of the body fat percentage going up a little bit you know you have the tools to get it back anytime you want so you're not going to get fat okay you're going to go you're going to go up to 12 maybe 13 you know percent body fat that's not crazy you can get right back.

Real crazy you can get right back down easily but you that will build well with building if you're too lean it's really hard to put on just lean body mass like your yeah.

So you you got to let yourself soften up a little bit to put on some good size and again I don't know if I agreed exactly with the number of the guy through at you but.

Shows one of the offseason can you and I go and go put on you know 20 pounds on the scale be okay with a couple percent body fat going up but then look at each other and go like oh yeah you're eating. You see p r's in the gym you're hitting like that's what I'm looking for before you and I go let's get ready for a cut for for the show so okay yeah I make sense yeah I have someone call you and see if we can help you out through this process but and we'll also sit over and a blocking advance free bro.

Awesome and thank you guys you guys do great work I appreciate you're listening. Thanks. Rob. Thank you. Easy. So for people listening because how many iron man. Okay. He did five he did five iron man's I don't know if you guys ever trained Iron man.

“Honestly yeah okay he did five iron man 15 half insane iron man's yeah this is what an iron man competition is I had to remember I had to look it up just to be sure it's a two point four mile swim.”

Plus a one hundred and twelve one hundred and twelve mile bike ride and then you run a marathon and then you run that's the competition lot of chiefing yeah so now in order to be able to do all that crazy training consistency diet there's a level of genetics there I think the guy probably recovers really really well. Which is why I had him do yeah something with higher volume but I can guarantee you right now the amount of volume that he's probably training is probably. I knew right away I mean this is this is I mean he's all I mean he's also runs a what a fortune 50 company.

He's a killer in business. He's a killer on the jitz who mad he's I mean I without even see because I can't see him right I like we can't see a picture what he looks like and so I thought I just know this dude is way over trained way over does all of it and that's going to be the hardest part for him. I mean telling him to come down to a maps and a ball like or even an a block advance is going to feel like a quarter of the workouts that he does and then telling him that he's at 2500 calories you need to be more like 3500 plus calories is going to feel so extreme and different but it's the only path and again a repeat what I said to him it shows are one of the offseason.

It is not the prep it is not the getting ready for stage like everybody thinks it's what you build and what you do and the offseason all the getting the prep is is revealing the work you don't build no muscle and prep.

So when you get it to prep you just get a little bit leaner and you present the same physique this is keep showing up the same same way. Yeah, our next caller is Lucy from Virginia. Hi, Lucy. Hi, thank you guys so much for taking my call. I really appreciate it.

“Okay, I think I have a program in question four months ago November 2025 I had my third total hip replacement surgery.”

For reasons that are now very obvious to me I was overdoing it with my yoga and in May of 2025 almost dislocated and ultimately ended up cracking my hip replacement during yoga class.

The posterior entry rather than anterior which my first two were anterior. And with a posterior approach my surgeon has me on a one year limitation of movement which would include no more than a 90 degree hip like trunk to leg. No crossing my legs and no picking up anything over 20 pounds. So starting a December I ran your maps fan program all the way through and loved it. I'm now running maps suspension and also love that.

“Those are both perfect because I don't have to pick up anything over 20 pounds, but I'm still getting great resistance. I'm actually making progress. Alright, great job. I'm store from yesterday.”

But my next my question is what's next? I haven't till November so about nine months of these limitations should I just cycle back and forth in between these two programs.

Is there another program or style of programming that you would recommend like isometrics or maybe run a traditional program like anabolic with light beats. For context I will be 50 years old later this year. Five foot three, 120 pounds and a former professional ballerina runner and competitive yoga athlete all of which led to the three total hip replacements. I promise I'm now off of all of that because I can't do it anymore physically or mentally really. As you know, sometimes God whispers and sometimes she shouts, this was a lot of a shout as I possibly could have heard without doing any detrimental harm. So I'm so thankful. I was finally forced to listen any help would be great. You can shout at me now.

No shouting. I thought you're in your 20. Yeah, you're five the way we were watching out on that. So Lucy. So here's what's going to happen.

“If you do everything right, you're going to reach a point where you feel like you could start doing going way beyond and you have to fight that.”

Because of the hip replacement. Keep your range of motion within the realms of what they recommend and you can strengthen within there. And don't push outside of that. You could totally strengthen within there. I think map starters of the program. And isometrics are also great. Our program map symmetry has two weeks of isometrics. Two weeks of isometrics. I think would be beneficial even right now. But starter would be the next program that you can totally do. You know, sorry. Yes. The starter has like reps to tension. So like really take advantage of that with the timing and the tempo and then emphasize those moments where you're squeezing at the top of the rep.

So you do get you can infuse a bit of more isometric focus in that program because I know the weights are going to be a little lighter than, you know, because we got to keep it under control. That's the direction I was going to go actually with your original is should I just rotate those two. You can start to create isometrics in those two in the bands in the suspension trainer too. So like nothing stops you from like whole like let's say you're doing a suspension push up. Holding at the bottom for two or three seconds or holding just with your elbows slightly bent for like so you can kind of create to create like a new stimulus because you've already ran through it.

You can do things like that and that'll help build strength also. So running the way it's right out, but then add it isometric component to each set, which would be a great way to kind of manipulate that program a little bit. So that's also an option. So you can play with the suspension in the bands also. I think starter is a great. And like South said that's the biggest key is going to be because at one point you'll be cleared of like hey you're good to go. You're going to be tempted to want to do too much. So long as you stand that range of motion and I've had clients where that we we don't squat pass 90 degrees, but we've gotten really strong.

Yeah, within that 90 degrees and and lots of lots of great fields. A lot of great lower body muscle and feel great. And so yeah, no, you're you're right. Yeah, when you look at the when you look at hip replacement artificial hip artificial joints. They're limited in the range of motion.

And so your tendency is going to be to challenge ranges emotion because that's what you know, but these joints are not made to do that. What happens with you challenge the range of motion is now rests on the sort of visual joint and they're just not made to be able to do that. So regardless of how you feel stay within with when it comes to the lower body stay within the range of motion and you'll do plenty great with that. You'll gain good strength. You'll feel good. You're not going to feel limited. But if you start to try to push the range of motion like you normally would.

“That's when you run into it's all about recruiting. So just think about that slow and just recruit as much muscle fiber and infuse that as much as possible. Do you have starter?”

I don't know so that you. Yeah. Thank you so much. Yeah. I should say also I'm I'm I'm working with Dr. Brink. Awesome. What are you like you said for that very reason because one year isn't some magical number.

I assume so it's not like at one year. I'm all of a sudden now I'm able to squat to the floor. So I he's helping me kind of get the PT part.

I was discharged from PT and I just wasn't ready. Yeah. So I wanted to work with him and he's just great. I want everyone to work with him. He's the best. You're in the best. Yeah. How about you work with him? I'm like just do what he tells you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're going step out. Yeah. You know. No. No. No. No. No. I want all of you at my team. You got all of us. I mean that. I mean, sure. He knows all the programs too. So if you tell him that the guy's gave me starter and you use that with what he's doing.

With you. You're you're in the best and you can be in total. So I'm fact. I love to hear back from you a while down. Let's check back in with us a few months down the road. I'd love to hear where you're at. I will thank you for the isometric. I seem to remember you guys talking about that they stopped working after like two or three weeks. Is that is there a reason to do that two weeks and then come back to it. No, no, no. So when we talk about that. Well, we're talking about the strength gains are really rapid in two weeks.

But you continue to get results from isometric especially when you put them in a program that includes traditional repetitions. Yeah. So it's not like they're a waste of time. They're great. No. But when we look just need to be challenging for people to do them for a long period of time. Also for the most part. Yeah.

But isometric for wonderful. Yeah. Well, always be wonderful for you. Yeah. You can progressively get more strength. You know, by continuing it for sure.

Okay. Terrific. Well, I'm everything right now is wonderful. So I'll do them. I'll do them from the next nine months. So it is on. Yeah. This is a very. I'm trying to rebuild physically and mentally from this injury. So it's very very it's yeah. So I'll use isometric as long as they're for productive. Great hands. Okay. Great. Yeah. You got it. All right. I wish you opened with them with brain. He's better than we are. Yeah. He's a champion. Yeah. We look at he's the best when it comes to this kind of stuff.

“But you know, I've worked with people with hip replacements and you have to you look at the actual product.”

Yeah. It's it's it's limited. Yeah. That's the only thing. So you can't push beyond what it's made for like you would with a normal joint. Yeah. Otherwise, the the the product itself starts to become damaged and it starts to get issues. Our next caller is Sarah from California. Hi, Sarah. Hi, guys. I'm so pumped to be talking to you. This is crazy. I'm so inspired by everything you've been doing. Like it's so clear how much you want to help people. So you guys have actually inspired me to go through the nasum certification and consider like a career change or a side gig and personal training down the line. So

Yeah. Yeah. How can we help you? Okay. So my question. I'll just read it here. So I've been working out since I was 14 when I got my first gym membership, but a 24 hour fitness here in the bay.

“I'm 43 now. I know that I'm a bit orthorexic and I definitely have an addiction to exercise, but I both look and feel great. I look better. I think now and I'm more fit now than when I was my 20s or 30s.”

And I just never have felt like I looked away that I do before. And I also just really love training and movement outside running cycling, hiking, walking, you name it.

But I definitely overdo it. So my question is, is this going to for sure bite me in the ass at some point? Or do you guys think that I continue as is as long as I'm feeling great? And I guess I should also mention that I've been using a variety of peptides for several years. Which I know helped me train better and recover better and faster. So I guess my hope is that the addition of these tools to my toolbox means I can do more and push a bit harder without the same repercussions.

Let's peer a little into what the training looks like. How much training volume are you tracking steps? What's it look like for a week?

Or a lot of it is outdoors. But five days a week I'm doing like an hour to an hour and a half and strength training is pretty intense. And then like anywhere from three to five hours of just like laying or running or hiking. It's a lot. I mean, when I say it out loud, it actually sounds totally ridiculous. I love it too. You know, I just love being outdoors and I just think mentally it helps my mental health a lot too. And I just feel like I have a lot of my, my best thoughts and ideas. Well, I'm outside. So there's that. But there's also just a compulsion to my wish.

I love walking hiking outside. That's awesome cycling and running can be okay can get intense though really quickly. So but hiking and walking outside for mental clarity being outside. I'm all pro that. So yeah, doing that. Strength training five days a week could be okay, but if you say it's really intense in an hour and a half that's that's a lot. Yeah, that's overkill way over doing it. I'm so.

By the way, you answer this question will help me determine if I can help with this. So why do you think there's some orthorexia or compulsion.

“Because I can't remember the last day. I didn't do like at least a few hours of activity. And if I don't get that in like I don't feel normal. Okay. How do you feel about that?”

I mean, right now I'm going to put in my life where it's okay. Like I'm single right now. So I don't have a partner in either giving time to help kids. But like what if that, you know, what if that happens soon or I switch jobs and I just literally can't do it. I think I'm going to just feel awful and and like that's that's not healthy, you know, to like not feel good or be freaked out on a day where I, you know, don't work out a lot like that's just that's not healthy like that's dependence. Yeah, so you feel like it's controlling you. Yeah, a little bit and I think for a long time, I really convinced myself, no, it's just that I love it. But I'm like, especially actually since I've been listening to you guys, I've kind of been realizing this is just that I love it.

There's a little bit more to it. Good for you. Well, I feel that's what people continue to say. And look, I just, you know, forgive me for my brevity, but alcoholics love their alcohol. And so they say they like it, they enjoy it. And I think you're getting a little bit of awareness that this thing is controlling you, but it doesn't sound like you're at the place where you could change it yet because you're also saying I love it. I like it.

It's like my favorite thing. I look great. I feel great, but then you're like, it's controlling me. This may be an issue.

“So I can tell you from the outside, it definitely is an issue and you're doing away too much. The question is, can you change it?”

Do you want to change it bad enough? Yeah, I like to. Yeah, that's right. Because eventually how you start this question is right, eventually you'll be forced to. It's going to bite eventually hormonal bone stuff. You'll, that that star ice is going to happen. Yeah. And so the answer is yes, eventually your body will force you to it's a question of, do you have the motivation to change it right now, especially when you like the way you looked like the way you feel any, and you say you enjoy those things.

It's, it really sucks to be forced to change it when something happens. That sucks. Yeah. To change it ahead of time is hard, but it's way better.

“Yeah, it's better. Yeah, because what'll happen at some point is something's going to happen, and you can't do all that stuff.”

Or something's going to happen physically or mentally. And then you're going to be like, oh my god, I'm breaking. I have to read it. Yeah, come out of it. But it could be a number of different things, but at some point this thing that's controlling you that you're kind of like, oh, I think it's controlling me. At some point it's, you're going to be forced to have to make a decision. And then that's the word, that's the hardest. That's hard when it's like in your face. Where you're at now is actually easier place to, to make those changes.

So it really is up to, and you really have to talk about it in a way to yourself. That's honest, because what I hear, and I know I hear this because I talk this way. Okay, because I know what you feel like, okay, you are me. Okay, in this regard. I know I have heard a lot of you. As it's coming out of your mouth, you're trying to give yourself a escape. Like, oh, it's this thing that's controlling, but I love it. Ooh, it might not be so good for me, but I can do it. Ooh, but I look good, and I feel good. And so it's like you're afraid to say to yourself, this is a problem.

So that's kind of where you're at with it right now. Well, are you at a place where you'd be open to even outsourcing it?

“In other words, hiring a coach to tell you what you need to do, and then following it is doing what they tell you.”

Yeah, I mean, here's another thing. Like, so I haven't always been as fit and looked as good, and so being at a point where I finally feel like, I'm like, I love my body now, and this was not always the case, you know, and so I've been through different iterations of my body. And so, you know, what are we willing to totally scale back on exercise? Yes, if I was able to like mostly keep the body that I now have. You absolutely can absolutely can absolutely can. Absolutely can. You'll get you. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. That we actually be. So if I was coaching, that's the easiest part. You've built the physique you like and you're like, Adam, I like the way I look. It's like cool. Let me show you a way easier way to maintain that look.

I got a feeling you'll improve you will you'll you it's it's just a. Markers five days an hour and a half of training. Let me put to this way you look as fit as you do in spite of all the wrong stuff. You're doing right right right. And so and you're putting a lot of peptide bandages and stuff like that on it. Keep the ball rolling. You'll actually look better. Yeah. So if that's what you're afraid of. Yeah, it's don't worry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm afraid of for sure, right? Because like I've been 25 pounds heavier.

And like didn't get looks and or compliments. And now I'm like, I'm at the gym and I'm like that crazy chick who's like busting her ass. But I get complimented. Yeah. You know, women complimenting me on my arms, which is awesome. And I used to hate my arms to like, if I can keep all that and do way less. Yeah. I'm definitely like at a career. Sarah. Yeah. Sure. Sure. You're totally self Sarah. Sarah. Sarah. Sarah listen. I don't do a phone. I get no class out of email. Sarah.

Yeah. So I wear that wife beater in the towel. I wear it. Yeah.

It was like a wife. So a few times the name of every day. Yeah, wife please. Yeah. Yeah. Which sounds just as bad. Yeah. Three times Sarah. You're you're you're already a valuable person. Yeah. You're already worthwhile. Yeah. All that outside, whatever is it's meaningless. Yeah. You're already you're already worthwhile. You're already great. And you don't need all that. You really don't. In fact, it's keeping you trapped. But if you want, look, here's a deal. Okay. Because we'll answer your question. Are you going to like suddenly your body's going to change it? No, it's not going to happen.

You'll you'll get as great or better results with way less work. Yeah. But I also don't want you to focus on that because that's also going to steer you in the wrong direction.

So, I mean, a coach would really be helpful, but you've got to be in a place to where you're okay with that. Where you're going to let go and be like, okay, there's really a problem. I don't want to address. If you're not there yet, then it wouldn't help you.

“Yeah. I think I'm in that that contemplation stage.”

Yeah. But I'm I feel like I'm getting closer to. You know what you could do. Try this. This is what I'm doing right now. So because I've been on and off with this forever, sometimes better, sometimes worse. I so I started doing where every other week. I don't do any. So this is for me. This wouldn't look like for you. But for me, every other week, I do zero to know almost.

Almost no strength training. And I just do cardio because that's the thing for me is.

“He doesn't do cardio. I just do walking. Okay. So maybe it looks like this for you instead of what you do every single day.”

Maybe it's like, okay, on Wednesday and Friday, I'm cutting it way down. And then wait and then see what happens. And then slowly step later yourself towards doing less. Maybe it's one day. Maybe it could be like, all right, Fridays instead of doing an hour and a half of strength training and all this cardio. Maybe it's like, I'm going to do nothing or I'm going to just go for a hike or something like that and keep it light because you could also turn that into, you know, crazy. And just step later yourself. For me, it's every other week because that's that seems to be what I can do right now.

How is your thought process and your mental health as you go through this. He sucks at it. So I don't know why. I just started the coach. You need a coach. I just started it. And so this is week two. So I'm just I just got into it. But what helped me was on the week. I'm not strength training. I'm listening to books that are really interested in. So I look forward to that. So I walk on the treadmill and I listen to a book because just doing nothing is too big of a bite for me.

So I'm like, okay, so every other week, I'm just so maybe there's something else that you're really interested in that you really like to do, whether it's a book or you go, you know, it might it's just something that's not exercise. And then because not doing something is hard, but doing something else from a place of it is easier.

Yen yoga would be great for someone. The hardest part Sarah, if I was coaching you, the hardest part is I'm going to tell you that I absolutely can keep the body or even better if you wanted.

But I also simultaneously need you to let go of that at the same time. That's the hard part. So it's like, I can I could guarantee you as as the coach, I could say, hey, don't worry. I'll keep this body the way it is or maybe even improve it. I also need you to just trust me and let it go while we do this. And so that that letting go process. That's the hard part.

“And that's the part that you have to to separate from. That's what this guy is still struggling with is completely letting go of that.”

And going a total different direction. He's easy to himself in with the walking stuff, but so my journey look like years ago is like part of like getting into a whole different modality. Like let go of the jacked look, I look like I can go get that anytime I want and you can too. You've look at you've already proven that you proven you have the ability to go get that. So now try and train yourself. Can I let it go? And doesn't mean be unhealthy and I'm saying get fat. I'm just saying let that focus go and focus something on something else for a while.

And know that you got that in your back pocket if you ever need to. That's the that's the growth part right here in your journey that you need to get through.

And that on the other side of that is a healthier version of you, a fitter version of you and way less control and effort towards it. Sara, how how how's your social life with friendships and stuff for it is all revolver on the gym. I'm right now. Yeah, it's there's not much, but I just got back to the day after living abroad for a couple of years and also like I went to Burning Man for 10 years and so my previous life was like a bit of a partier and all my friends a bit party. And I want nothing to do with that. So I think I'm just kind of shifted that on all of my energy into like health and fitness, but now I've over done it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean that that's that's that's another that's another thing that could help is seek out kind of social community. Yeah, social community for me, it's my church. That's actually helped me quite a bit. And that's the other thing too, because otherwise you have all this time on your hands. Yeah, I'm going to go to the gym because I like doing that. Yeah, I love this. I love to see you get coached. I know you say you're caught in Punching right now, but a good coach for a good.

Okay, okay, all right. Well, if you ever, if you, if you like, okay, I'm ready to do that. You let us know we got some great coaches here. You're not far from us either, by the way. So you can, yeah, you can even do personal training here on occasion. Yeah, like once a week or once every other week can actually come into the studio and work with one of our trainers. Oh, that would be awesome. I love that. Would you say, you want somebody call you? Yeah, you know, why not? Yes. All right. Let's do that. I will see you because we're here. We're going to get you down here, sir.

Awesome. All right, guys. Well, thank you so much for your time and for everything you'd be able to appreciate it. Got it. Thanks. Okay, my turn. She also works for the enhance games. Just see that. I did see this. She sees that talent yard for this. She got up for the market. Oh, that's cool. She comes down here. It would also make it more difficult because you're working. I know you can. It's going to be a skewed environment.

I mean, she's I don't listen, if I if I don't have kids in a wife and all that stuff. I mean, that I know that Jim.

“That's what I would do all the time. Yeah.”

You got to find other things that you can replace it with. We're talking about you still already. I don't go. I'm not three hours.

Well, no, okay. I'm saying if I had, yeah, but you'd never miss.

Yeah, but it's my point is I'd be three hours a day. Yeah, you'd be even worse. Yeah, because it's not even more, even more crazy. That's right. Yeah, you know, it's, I mean, still at that place where this is where it's hard when again. And I think this is the exact same challenge that you feel that is your healthy, your fit. You look good. No, you don't say. So it's it's really tough to tell somebody to break that when they have all these these positive things that they have felt for me and their bodies not screaming at them.

That's right. And telling them they can't do that. But there's also other side of this. Sometimes, too, it's not just dysfunction on that side.

“You can become dysfunctional in your social and your. That's why you asked her.”

Yeah, because she probably doesn't have like this. You can't work out that much about her. I mean, and if you don't have that, and you feel kind of lonely. And what happens is that person in that type of person, lots of friends and being close to like this, you either don't or you find another person with the same issue. Of course.

And then you both obsess over together. And that's why we see so many people in the fitness space that are both bikini competitor and bodybuilder, you know, together. Because they, they share this addiction together. Because they can't date anybody else that as at all balance because doesn't work. So they have no idea and they tell themselves they're so in love and they have all this in common.

And it's like, yeah, you have this unhealthy relationship with exercise that's in common. And so got a break for you that we'll have a really hard time connecting to somebody who doesn't want to take three hours

Totally.

“Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram, mind pump media.”

Thank you for listening to mind pump.

If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy,

“and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB super bundle at mind pumpmedia.com.”

The RGB Super Bundle includes maps and a ballad, maps performance, and maps aesthetic.

Nine months of phased, expert exercise programming designed by South Adam and Justin to systematically transform the way your body looks, feels, and performs.

“With detailed workout blueprints and over 200 videos, the RGB Super Bundle is like having South Adam and Justin as your own personal trainers,”

but at a fraction of the price.

The RGB Super Bundle has a full 30-day money bag guarantee, and you can get it now plus other valuable free resources at mind pumpmedia.com. If you enjoy this show, please share the love by leaving us a five-star rating and review an iTunes and by introducing mind pump to your friends and family. We thank you for your support, and until next time, this is Mind Pump.