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Hey everyone, welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder With My Husband. I'm Pete Moreland. And I'm Garrett Moreland. And he's the husband. I'm a husband.
We have amazing news if you are listening and heard about the Netflix announcement,
but realize that it wasn't available in your country. I have good news. It is most likely now available in your country. We're old, but who thinks that? Who's Mr. Worldwide? Is that people? Yeah.
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Please go add it to my list.
And yeah, that's the big announcement. That's crazy. We just found out today. Today, right before we recorded this. Which I'm so glad because so many people who love to watch weren't able to watch,
because it was an available in their country, but now it is. All right, Gerd, you have a 10 seconds for us today. I've been sitting here for a long time trying to think of my 10 seconds. And I can't, I just can't think of anything. So I'll do a vote.
What do the people want? Should I buzz my hair? Or should I let it keep growing out? That's my 10 seconds. I don't look bagels.
I've been, that's my life right now. It was bagels, podcast, golf. It, that's all I got going right now. Well in times. We do, we're about to, I mean, yeah, we don't think it's fun.
No, it was a big, great time, taking through a big party. And it was, it was a really, really fun. She did a great job planning it. Very proud of her. I didn't know if you wanted to talk about her or not.
Oh, no, I was just saying that was kind of fun this time. Yeah, I was. So I didn't say anything because I'm saying I didn't know if you. Yeah, it was really fun. If you're new here, I danced on college dance teams.
So I had a bunch of my friends from way back then, come over and we had a huge Valentine's party. Yeah, so yeah, um, we had a really fun Valentine's party. It was like a dinner party. And we didn't have to cook or do dishes.
Which might have been the best part for anyone that cooks.
Doing dishes is always the worst part.
Yeah, I'm the dishwasher and the family. So yeah, let's take a vote. If you want me to buzz my head or keep the hair growing, that's all I got, um, it's been bugging me and I can't decide. And on that note, I think we have a pretty good episode.
So let's get right into this week's episode. Our sources for this episode are pbs.org/stlpr.org/bbc.com. Innocenceproject.org/rothroGPM.com, felony murder elimination project, go fund me.com, people.com, oxygen, KSDK.com, Kansascity.com, the cinemaholyck.com,
SpectrumLocalNew.com, injusticewatch.org, Colorado Law, and CBS News. Cinnamon Hollick? Cinnamon Hollick. Ah, okay. Yeah, we're talking about cinema today.
I'm really hungry. I have any eating all day. I think we're going to talk about cinnamon rolls or something. Yeah, our biggest reason we're doing this show is to honor victims of senseless tragedies. To make sure their stories are told respectfully and that their memories are not forgotten.
“But the truth is, when a violent crime is committed, there are many more victims beyond the deceased.”
There's the families and friends who lost their loved one. Witnesses who are left replaying the awful scene over and over, and suffering the effects of that psychological harm, and then sometimes,
There's a rare victim in these cases.
And it's those who were wrongfully convicted.
“Innocent people who spend years or even their entire lives in prison,”
for a crime they did not emit. It's like taking a tragedy and then adding a tragedy on top of it. Yeah. So today, I am going to share a story with you that has not won. But two victims, it's like right when you think through crime can't get worse, it gets worse.
So today, we are dialing back the clock to 1994 and traveling to St. Louis, Missouri to meet a man named Marcus Boyd. Marcus was 25 years old and his life really was just getting started.
“He had recently moved in with his girlfriend, Leslie Williamson.”
And the two actually had a baby together, a little infant daughter. And Marcus was doing everything he could at 25 to give his little family the best life possible. He had been working at a printing company where his co-workers said he was really well-liked and respected.
Marcus was always seen as a hard worker while bringing some levity to the job,
which is how he had made so many friends there. But the printing job wasn't exactly enough to make ends meet for Marcus. With a girlfriend and a baby to provide for, he needed another small job on the side to earn extra cash to pay the bills. And already working a full-time job, he turned two selling drugs, specifically crack cocaine on the side. Now one of Marcus's colleagues at the print store, a 30-year-old guy named James Gregory Elking
or Greg, was actually a usual customer of Marcus's. So their colleagues and work together at the print store, but then Marcus also sells drugs to Greg. Now Greg and Marcus had grown close at work. Greg said Marcus had a heart of gold and genuinely with selling drugs because he wanted to build a better future for his family. That was his sole reason for even getting into this business. And that might be why Greg even felt comfortable
buying his drugs from Marcus. So on the night of October 30, 1994, Greg swung by Marcus's house in the evening to make a purchase. Only he didn't have enough money with him, so Marcus turned him down. Plus, they both had work in the morning. Drugs were the last thing either of them needed on this Sunday night. So instead the two just hung out on Marcus's porch for a bit while Leslie and Marcus's daughter were upstairs. So this October night, it was around 9pm, 1994, the two
were cracking jokes and having a few laughs. When suddenly Greg saw the smile on Marcus's face turned to pure fear. That's when Greg turned around to see that there were two masked men coming out of the darkness walking up to Marcus's house. Both of them had on dark clothing and their masks revealed nothing but their eyes. The men were racing up the steps and one of them immediately tackled Marcus and it became a violent scuffle. For anyone knew it, the same attack
her pulled out a gun and fired three shots at Marcus. Greg said the flash was so bright, it lit up the guys faces, but even then he couldn't make out much more other than them being black males. So Greg is sitting here. Marcus has just been shot three times by these random men who came up and attacked them. They turned around after shooting Marcus and dart back into the night leaving
Greg basically unharmed. And Greg, who had his own criminal history and literally was there
to buy drugs also chose to run off into the night not wanting to get caught up in anything he shouldn't be. Leslie, obviously the girlfriend, heard the gun fire from inside and had called the police in around 907 P.M. First responders arrived to find Marcus severely injured. Now some sources say he was already dead. Well others say he was then rushed to a hospital and died from his injuries later that night. Oh, so he's dead. Either way he is dead. But that night, Marcus left behind
his wife, his young daughter, and an intense miscarriage of justice, was about to follow.
“You know, it's so interesting. I think I've mentioned it before. I mean, I know I've mentioned”
it before. How some people can get shot like five, six, seven times and they're fine and then
Someone will get shot once.
it's crazy. It's just so interesting. Right if it hits a major artery or something or if it just
goes through and through, whatever it is. Yeah. So right away, it seemed clear to police that this shooting was a dispute over drug money. But they learned something else when they spoke to Marcus's heartbroken girlfriend, Leslie. She actually suspected one of the men to be Marcus's old friend. Someone else who had been selling drugs and may have actually introduced Marcus into the game. Was a guy named Lamar Johnson, who she thought Marcus had had a recent fight with, but
“she couldn't be sure. And sometimes I think in these cases, you know, someone brings up a”
suspect and you feel like someone's are they immediately throwing someone else under the bus.
We have to remember, police, the first thing they're going to ask Leslie is does your boyfriend
have any enemies who would have done this. And so she's going to be rocking her brain for was he fighting with anyone recently? Did he have bad blood? What's going to be so hard, too, because they're going to be like, oh, he was selling drugs. They're going to be like, oh, okay, right, that the tension to it is going to shift immediately. Right. Which, I mean, it's hard. I mean, I understand. I get both sides on. Yeah. So she's like, hey, I think it might be this
Lamar guy. She told police that their best bet at finding someone was actually through Marcus's coworker, Greg Elking, who she knew was at the house with Marcus and had obviously run away before the police could arrive. And as the soul witness to the crime police knew, they needed to talk to him. It took police four days to get Greg down to the station. And while he was terrified and reluctant to talk, he knew that he was probably the only chance at bringing Marcus justice.
So he decided come forward and speak. He told police he didn't get a good look at either of the two assailants since they were fully covered aside from their eyes. But he did notice they were both dark-skinned men. So the police showed him some photos and Greg said, I just don't think any of these guys are right, but the detectives questioned him kept applying pressure saying things like, I know you know who it is. And then they show him a photo of the person Leslie named Lamar Johnson.
I'm not sure if Greg had ever met Lamar before because obviously Greg and Lamar are both friends of Marcus the victim. It seems like he didn't have any idea who Lamar was, but the detective kept encouraging Greg. Same things like, I need your help getting these guys off the street.
“And then Greg hesitates. The officer pushes a bit harder telling Greg, your life is at risk. Like”
whoever did this knows your a witness, you could be next. They also tell him that Lamar Johnson, this suspect they're showing him a photo of like, hey, you know him. They tell him that he is involved in six other murders before Marcus. So they're pretty sure it's him. Will the or they just saying this none of that was true. Okay. Okay. Lamar had not been tied to any other murders. They were just trying to get him to talk Greg's. Yes. Okay. But they need a Greg to
sign the back of Lamar's photo to make the idea official is one of the men he saw and Greg still refuses. He's like, listen, I am not confident enough that that is one of the guys who was there. Good for Greg because most people would have done it. Especially if you've been there for
“hours, you could be easily assessed like if not Lamar than you. So the only thing Greg would say”
was that the eyes of the men who shot Marcus looked slightly similar to Lamar's. Maybe a lazy eye, but there's no guarantee. Dang. If I ever commit a crime, they're going to describe me that's having a lazy eye. That's like in the sketch. In the sketch. Yeah. Yeah, but also they're going to say he's a luscious line man. Thank you. Thank you, babe. Thank you. So apparently that was enough for the police to make their move on Lamar Johnson anyway signature
on the photo or not because that same day November 3rd, police bold Lamar Johnson over. He was in the car with his friend Philip Campbell and both were brought to the station for questioning. Now imagine being this friend who's just randomly in the car when he gets pulled over and
now you are basically the second suspect. I want to talk about Lamar for a second. I just want
to give you a bit of his backstory because it's not unlike Marcus's. Lamar was just a 20-year-old.
No, my God.
Eric Abarrow, and for growing up in the Southside neighborhood of St. Louis, a place that had really high crime in homicide rates. Lamar kind of stayed out of trouble for most of his life. The only things on his record by 1994 were a possession charge for cocaine and tampering with the license plate. So this year he is working at Jiffy Loub and like Marcus, it just wasn't enough to make ends meet for his girlfriend, his two kids. So he started selling drugs on the side as well.
And Lamar knew this was just a means to an end. According to him, it was a temporary fix until he could find a better way to make more money. Because at the same time as all of this,
“he was also going to a community college to get a degree. This is interesting. I think I might”
know where this is going, but I'm not sure yet. So he really was working towards a better future. And he knew that selling drugs was a dangerous and or choice, but desperate times called for desperate measures. Still, when Lamar was picked up by the police on November 3rd and brought in for questioning, he honestly didn't seem to worry. He knew his hands were clean so much so that he didn't even ask for a lawyer. He told his girlfriend, Erica, that he didn't want to pay for a lawyer
or ask his parents for help because he had nothing to hide. Instead, Lamar was as cooperative as possible with the police. He answered any and all questions they had. He told him that
despite what Leslie believed he and Marcus had never been in a fight that the two were close friends.
He loved him like a brother and he was devastated when he had heard the news about Marcus's death
“a few nights back. And he honestly still was. He said he had no reason to hurt Marcus. No motive”
whatsoever, even more convincing. Lamar had an alibi. He was at home during the time of Marcus's shooting with his girlfriend, Erica. And the only time he went outside that night was for a few minutes when he went to a street corner a few blocks away to sell drugs. He was gone for a total of five minutes, not enough time to get to Marcus's home miles away, shoot him and make it back. Not to mention, he came in without a drop of blood on him. Erica also confirmed this statement
saying she was inside changing their five-month-old daughter's diaper and she said, quote, "By the time I'd finished changing her diaper and cleaning everything up, he was walking back up the steps. But when I say she confirmed that statement, I don't mean to the police. The police
never asked Erica, never questioned her about her boyfriend's alibi." This is going to be wild if
he goes to prison. This is what she tells report and this is going to be wild. Instead, they put Lamar and Philip, the friend who happened to be in the car, in prison, when he got pulled over into a photo line up, which Lamar does willingly. And then they bring Greg Elking, the man who was there that night, back in to take a look at that lineup. And again, Greg wouldn't pick anyone out. They would have wrong with these detectives. This is crazy. But Greg said he felt like he was going
to get in trouble with the police if he didn't comply. So eventually, he said to the detective, "You tell me what the numbers are and I'll tell you if they're correct." And so the detectives are like a guy number three and four. And Greg's like, "Yeah, okay, you're right. Those are the suspects." "Oh, I'm sorry." Greg said he went with it because he trusted the police won't lead a mistake that they must have a pretty good reason for bringing these guys in. And he didn't
want to take the fall for it. So he finally agreed to sign off on it. And with that, Lamar Johnson
“and Philip Campbell were charged with first-degree murder. I think it's pretty safe to say”
we have minorities, drug dealers, and murder, and the police quickly ran with it. They were like, yep, these are our guys without any evidence. I mean, outside of Greg's ID, which he didn't even make by the way, he just told police, yes, to the numbers that he told him. There's really no evidence for the prosecution to present in court. They need to bolster their case if they want to get a conviction and they seem to find an opportunity in a jailhouse informant named
William Mark, which is like we just have the most stereotypical wrongful conviction on our hands. Yeah. No evidence. No good detective work. And now a jailhouse informant being the number one piece
Of evidence is crazy.
probably pro when it comes to the death penalty or being harsh with with
evictions and penalties, but I'm also so against and just not okay with how the justice system does when it comes to wrongful convictions. Because I will dare say, and there's times where it's not, but I would dare say that majority of the times it's so obvious that this is a wrongful conviction. And maybe not, maybe it's because you're telling me this case afterwards. But I still feel like if I was a jury right now, I'd be like, I don't know about this.
“I mean, I think it's safe to say that in the 90s, which this was way back in the 90s,”
being black, dealing drugs and being somewhat tied to a big deal activities or whatever. This happened so much like police closing cases using this specific type. And it's just like now looking back, we're like, okay, jailhouse, like we see all the signs, but it's like back then where people also seeing the signs like, why was this happening so often? Obviously, they were convincing the jury's by lying to them. It's just, uh, so this jailhouse informant
William William was in a holding cell, two cells down from Lamar Johnson and Philip Campbell, while they were in custody. And he claimed that he overheard the two of them having a conversation about the crime they can make. No, my gosh. Them saying something like, quote, we should have
“shot that white boy supposedly they're referring to Greg, which might I add, I feel like Greg should have”
been a stronger suspect in this, but we kind of know the reason why maybe he wasn't immediately looked at in the 90s and they just believed him at his word that this is what happened. But there's a lot of problems with William's statement outside of the fact that he was two cells away and likely couldn't hear a thing Lamar and Philip were saying, 34 year old William had made plenty of racist remarks against black people. He had a swastika tattoo plus an ex girlfriend of his
claimed he was part of a white supremacist gang, basically. So at the time, William was being held
for breaking into a church van and violating his parole for another crime. And in the past, he had been asked to snitch to get his charges reduced from prison time to parole. So he knew exactly what he was
“doing when he went to his jailers and said, Hey, I heard these two talking. I want to strike another”
deal. And this time he claimed he had information about Lamar and Philip. And that's one William told the police he overheard them coming up with an alibi with another person in the jail named Lamont. Now a day later he told police he heard them saying something like, be sure to tell my mother to tell the police that I was with them when this went down. This is really interesting.
Okay. So there William is basically saying, Hey, they were trying to come up with an alibi.
But there was a huge problem even outside of William's horrible reputation. This Lamont person does not exist. After reading the jail logs, people couldn't find a single person who went by that name or even nickname. And yet they cut William a deal if he agreed to testify against Lamar and Philip in court. They promised to write him a letter to the parole board on his behalf. Which is interesting because jail informants and informants in general are as far as I'm
aware, like they're just not very trustworthy these days. Like they don't really pulling them up in front of someone to testify is crazy. That's so crazy. I'm actually you just read my next part. So I'm just going to add in some actual statistics and data behind what you just said. Jellhouse informants. It's a pretty big issue on how they are used. Like you're just said, we know snitching can often provide a lot of perks for someone on the wrong side of the law.
I found one staff according to the National Registry of Exonerations between 1989 and 2024. There have been 241 wrongful convictions related to Jellhouse informants. That's insane. Again, this is 1989 to 2024 but 241 wrongful convictions relied on Jellhouse informants. This was obviously a common practice and an inappropriate one. That's 241 victims. 241 people who were put in Jell due to the testimony of convicted felons. It's obviously just
let that sink in. But Lamar Johnson was a hopeful guy. He knew he was innocent. So when his trial rolled around in July of 1995, he's like the jury's got to see this too, right? Like they
Have nothing on us, especially because one of the key witnesses against him w...
even met before. William. William told the jury during the trial he heard Lamar talking to a
Lamont about the crimes. Again, Lamar does not exist. William also said that they talked about another murder on the south side of St. Louis, but when police had actually compared the statement to other cases, they couldn't find a single case that matched what William was saying.
“They were describing. So all to say, the only thing William is was he happened to be next to these”
guys. He's a liar. Everything he's saying does not match up. So not only is he a Jell house informant. Everything he's saying has no evidence behind it didn't stop the prosecution from putting him up. And I also want to say the jury didn't get to hear a lot about this or William's criminal background or his history of racist and violent offenses. The fact that officials were submitting a letter to the parole board on his behalf for testifying they get to hearing none of this.
The jury has no idea about any of that at trial. At least William wasn't the only one to take the stand in the Mars trial. Lamar's girlfriend, Erica also spoke about how Lamar was home with her that night. And it yes, he did leave, but it wasn't nearly enough time for him to have made the drive to Marcus's and to kill him and get back. Editective, however, got on the stand to dispute those claims saying the whole thing could have been done in a matter of minutes. Though he
never once actually went out and timed himself making the drive to see even see if it's possible.
She doesn't even have evidence backing the statement. I don't know who I'm more disappointed. I mean, I'm disappointed with everyone right now. But if the jury seriously finds him guilty, what a horrible jury, too. I mean, they don't know about Williams, but they do they can clearly see you right now that like the detective is saying this. And I don't know if the defense just wasn't saying you have no evidence. Prove it. I don't know if he had just a crappy defense team as well.
It was the jury was also just stupid and just like wasn't thinking out of the box. But back then, were we as skeptical about what we were hearing? I mean, you're trusting the court. I'm still annoyed. I'm still annoyed. I mean, the names. It was in the jury.
So after two hours of deliberating, the two hours, by the way, for first degree murder,
oh, I also do want to say that Greg Elking also took the stand and he stuck with the story. He gave investigators. He saw Lamar and Philip in the lineup and said those were the guys. So he does get on stand and I do them. Greg does. Okay. Which that is pretty. That's interesting. I mean for witness to say that he got up there and picked
“out two guys when that's not really what happened. But that's what he said. Two hours after deliberating”
the jury sides with the prosecution, they found Lamar Johnson guilty of first degree murder. He was told to return in a few months for a sentencing. But before that day could come, Lamar Johnson received a letter. It was written by his friends. The guy that he was arrested and charged with Philip. Now in this handwritten note, Philip said, hey, I know that you didn't do this. And I feel bad. And this is why I'm writing you letter. I know you didn't do it because
I was actually there. The guy, yes, who was also charged, who just happened to be in the car. Got it. Yes. Now remember, this is a circle of guys who all run around together. So it's not that shocking that maybe Philip knew Marcus and could have been there. But the fact that he's writing a letter being like, I actually know your innocent because I was actually there. Like, I'm actually
“involved. He said it was me and another guy named James B. A. Howard. Why would he say that?”
Why would he write that letter? Because he felt bad. Okay. I mean, he felt bad. He was like just surprised. I'm a Mark. I'm actually guilty of being here and doing this with another man. Name James. Philip said Marcus owed James money. And what I read, it was less than $40. So they were there to try and get the $40. But then when Marcus started fighting back and it turned into like a violent struggle, apparently James Panicked and shot Marcus. But Philip's lawyer wouldn't let him
come forward with the information before Lamar's trial because he was like, Philip, you can probably still beat the charges if the prosecution paints this on Lamar. And he gets convicted. So don't come forward because Lamar getting convicted can mean that you don't even though you're willingly saying to me and to people around you, not the cops that you did this. Another problem I have with attorneys, man. Right. They're like not basing it off the truth. They're basing off of
Getting their client off.
look, I would dare say this. And if you're offended by this, write me a DM happen to, I'm happy to
talk to you. I would dare say criminal defense attorneys have some of the worst morals. That's my
“hot take. I'm sorry. That's my hot take. I think it takes a certain type of person to be able to do that”
job because there are defense attorneys. I will state this with my whole chest. There are defense attorneys who 100% know their client is guilty. And they don't recuse themselves and say, I can't represent him because I know he's guilty. All of it. They are supposed to do that happens all the time. It's not a secret. It happens all the time. It's more a little game to them of trying to get people off.
They're, that's their job. And so they, you know, bend the rules and justify it and get people off.
I don't know. I mean, Philip obviously is filling guilt because he wrote a letter to the Martin prison saying, I know you're innocent. I think Philip should have done the right thing, but also how do you look at someone and say, you actually should have gone to prison or like
“came forward and said you did it just so Lamar didn't, even though you're lawyer at the time”
in your attorney is advising you against that. Yeah, it's so hard. Also, I got to add to this. I know there's also criminal defense attorneys that defend people who aren't guilty. We've had cases where they recuse themselves. So I don't know if I necessarily mean all criminal defense attorneys. I just mean the ones that. There's some bad apples out there. I'll just say that. Isn't there an any. Yeah, I get it. But I do understand what you're saying where it's just frustrated when someone's so
obviously guilty. And they, yeah, yeah, so this is huge because Lamar now has in writing a confession from someone else who was there in a part of it now clearing his name. So Lamar writes the judge and says, hey, I actually just had the real people come forward. Please, can I get a new hearing
“and his request was denied? Really? In September of 1995, Lamar. With the information, too.”
Return to the courtroom for a sentencing. He was given life in prison without the positive body overall. He is in his 20s with a young man as for Philip. He actually pleads guilty and receives a shorter sentence of seven years behind bars. So it does, it does work out for him. Lamar takes the fall. He gets a shorter sentence. Okay. And my feeling on this is that they actually had probably more evidence on Philip, which is why they even added him in even though he was the random guy
who was pulled over. They probably actually had ties to this thing. And so it was easier to charge him. But they still, they pulled over Lamar, not Philip. So they were going to pin it on him because how then do you turn around and be like, actually, we're wrong. I mean, you do because you're a good person, but when you have ego in the way, happens all the time. So he believes guilty and then
James Howard, who was 17, he was a minor when he killed Marcus. He was never charged with it.
Even though it was like common knowledge that he had been pointed to as the guy who did this. I will say he's convicted three years later of another murder and sentenced to like this for that. This is ridiculous. Okay. So eventually time goes on and Philip, who's going to serve his seven years and get out and then James, who's already in prison, life in prison, decide to sign sworn affidavits confessing to killing Marcus to try and get Lamar out of prison.
So these guys are feeling guilty. They're like, we're going to actually sign sworn statements for Lamar in his defense in his appeals to try to get him out and it doesn't change a thing for Lamar. I don't understand. I do not understand. He says goodbye to his two young daughters and that also meant saying goodbye to Erica, the mother of his children, but it was because of his family Lamar didn't give up. He knew the truth. It was written in black and white. He felt one day,
one day someone will see this. So behind bars, Lamar begins studying the law. He sifted through police reports, trial transcripts, and he began searching for more evidence to prove his innocence, which you 100% have the right to do. Any convict is able to request their records, their
Trial, everything and build for their petitions or appeals.
new trial. His petition is denied. In 1998, he met another inmate in a similar situation. The
“person was working with the Midwest Innocence Project to get their case a second look. And in the early”
2000s, this inmate introduced Lamar to his contacts at the Innocence Project. They began looking in a Lamar's case and they're like, uh, what they also realized that Greg Elking, the guy who was the witness who said this whole story was now in prison for a bank robbery and hit it and had openly admitted to many people that he had lied at Lamar's trial. So he's telling people the real story. I actually was not confident, but I got up there in lied. He said I was pressured into naming Lamar
in that photo line up at law enforcement. This is black and white at this point. And then he
comes out with new information later on in 2003 when the Innocence Project is looking into
Lamar's case. They discovered that Greg Elking has told people law enforcement paid off his debts. Oh, my God. They cleared the traffic warrants in his name and they put him in
“witness protection program and he was given $4,000 after the trial. And then he wrote the bank.”
All of this was documented in a letter. Greg had sent to his pastor out of guilt. Now, of course, none of this is mentioned during Lamar's trial. But when the Innocence Project dug into it, they found it was true. This alone should have been enough to get Lamar a new trial. So in 2018, this is so many years later. I'm so frustrated. That's horrible. And it's like, so, I mean, in the Innocence Project does this time and time again, turning up wrongful convictions. The Innocence
Project teams up with a St. Louis circuit attorney named Kimberly Gardner. She just created a new division called the Conviction Integrity Unit who their whole job was to look at cases exactly like this, which is kind of cool. Right. I mean, it's a circuit attorney who's like, no, there has been wrongful convictions in the past. Obviously, this is an issue. This is an epidemic. She creates this division. And Lamar was the perfect candidates. The Innocence
Project is like, hey, please, look at this case. So with the help of the Innocence Project, Gardner began reinvestigating a lot of the claims that were made during Lamar's trial, including the distance and timing from his house to Marcus's. When they made the drive, they found it was 13 minutes one way. The quickest route. Gosh, double that. Plus, I had some time to park run up, getting a scuffle and murder someone. That's a half hour.
And she said it took her five minutes change diaper. Yeah, she left and came back in the time.
She was changing a diaper. Dude. Honestly, here's what needs to happen. The
corrupt detective who did this need to go to jail for the rest for however long Lamar
“served. And you know, yeah, that's the only way to fix this. I am passionate about this and”
Garrett knows this, but there was a case in my hometown. Yes. Very identical to this, a young person was put in prison for life for a crime he didn't commit. It was very shady police work. It was very intense interrogation. There was no evidence. And then years later, the Innocence Project gets involved comes out that there is evidence. Physical DNA evidence that didn't match him. They knew this from the beginning. They knew it didn't match him. But they said he had an accomplice. It matches
the creepy guy next door. So he gets out. They arrest the creepy guy next door. But this is 20 something years after he's spent in prison. And the cops who arrested him come forward and say, "We're actually not going to say sorry because we still stand ten toes down that the guy next door was the unknown accomplice that we were thinking." Yeah, and sorry, we're kind of rambling. I'm like, I'm not even biased as well. Like, I'm pretty like detectives have a hard job,
like stuff's crazy, but like I just said earlier, there's good people, there's bad people, there's some bad apples, and these were some bad apples. Well, and like you're messing with someone's life. Yeah, this is not a game. This is a game. It's just crazy. So this is what the innocence comes up with, the innocence project. They have the evidence that the timeline doesn't add up to Erica's testimony. They have a signed statement from Greg Elking, recanting his testimony,
saying this is everything that was happened. It was completely bogus. They have a sworn confession from the two guys who actually commit the murder saying, "Hey, we did this. He didn't. By this point Philip Campbell has passed away." I just want to say, but they do have a signed statement from him beforehand, because this was years earlier saying that he didn't do that. Martin, do this.
It's a solid case.
and they denied the request for a new trial. Basically, the attorney general's office said she,
quote, "Lacked the authority to seek a new trial so many years after the case was adjudicated." But this is just so common because there is a reason why cases aren't overturned even when there's so much evidence. And it's because it opens up a can of warms for the state with other cases being looked at. And they also thought the state also knows they're about ready to lose millions and millions of dollars as they should. And support from the people around them,
because why the heck are you putting in innocent people in prison? So there's a reason they are so
“hesitant to do it. I'm not justifying it or saying it's, but that's why that is why.”
So that same year, the state of Missouri passed a new law. It allowed prosecutors to petition the court if they themselves wanted to exonerate a prisoner that they felt was wrongly convicted. So a prosecutor's office, not the state, but a prosecutor you come forward and say, "I'm petitioning this." I like that. That's a good, I like that. In the law, it doesn't matter how long ago. If this person has spent 70 years in prison, they could still petition to get someone
out. The timing was extremely helpful. And I'm not sure if Gardner had anything to do with this
new law passing, but either way, it's a game changer for Lamar Johnson. The following year in
2022, Lamar was finally granted a retrial, a retrial. In the meantime, Gardner and her team keep piecing together their new case, which meant disputing a lot of the issues with the first trial,
“including William mock the jailhouse informants. Not only did Gardner realize how little the”
jury was actually told about William, including his criminal background, and the fact that he had been a jailhouse informant before, like he had history of doing this. She found he was getting preferential treatment behind bars before and after testifying. William was given coffee and cigarettes from prosecutors. They would literally visit him after he testified and given these things. He was moved to a better prison. However, William wasn't able to be called again to the stand,
because he died back in 2003 at the age of 43 after driving a stolen SUV off a boat rampant into a Missouri lake. This is your star witness, by the way. But now it's not great because he can't come forward and say I lied. So after 27 years behind bars, Lamar Johnson is back in court in December 12th, 2022. His grown daughters are there every single day. Oh, that breaks. That breaks my heart.
“He missed their entire life. And they knew from because they're mom knew their mom knew he was”
innocent. That he was her alibi or she was his alibi. So basically, the judge has three options. Overturn the conviction and grant a new trial. Overturn the conviction and just get rid of a new trial and declare Lamar innocent or uphold the original verdict. This is what this new trial. He is granted is this is the purpose of it, basically. So the court here is multiple players in the case. Everything I've told you basically is presented at court, including bringing in witnesses.
Like, Greg gets up there and says, yeah, I lied. Okay. And they let Lamar speak. He takes the stand and speaks and says, I just wanted to be cooperative with police. Like, I, I should have got a lawyer. I didn't know. Poor guy. It takes two months. Like, the judge wraps up and says, come back in two months for my verdict, which is just like, yes, it's been 20 something years, but like two more months holding someone who's innocent. It's just so
crappy. It's rude. Yeah. February 50 year old Lamar returns to the court. The judge gave him the news he'd been waiting to hear. He wasn't granted a retrial. His conviction was overturned. Good. Thank you. Lamar Johnson was now free man. And for the first time in his life, you just go out of jail that day. Yeah. I could just like boom. Immediately, he was crazy. And it's so crazy to me when they do this because the judge literally apologizes. Like, the judge apologizes on behalf of the
state. It's like in his, yeah, the way they word it is in a politics. I mean, I, so let's did he sue like how much money did he get? So Lamar. That's, that's just horrible. That's horrible. He, um, he doesn't really know his daughters, but he's getting to spend time with his daughters. He was actually released just in time. For his 28 year old daughter at Kira's wedding. Oh, that's true. So he got to walk around the aisle. Um, there was so much that Lamar had missed.
He said in an interview how excited he was just to touch a tree to go outside for a run, to get a meal. It was the simple pleasures in life that he was looking forward to getting back.
Of course, there were some unexpected hurdles. Technology. Lamar had never even used an iPhone
or an Apple watch. It was all brand new to him, but maybe the biggest issue was all the lost time.
Lamar wasn't going to get back after decades behind bars.
I'm expected to just go out and rebuild my life. Get a job. Do this. Do that. He gets a bunch of money. He gets to do whatever he wants for the rest of his life. Okay. So some states, and you're going to be shocked. They offer compensation for people who's convictions.
Yes. And the compensation is always rash. It's always like 10 grand a year or something,
just rash that they deserve way more for spending in prison. Missouri lost states. They offer zero compensation for people. Okay. But which, that's, I mean, it's common. It's common to then he's there's a loophole. Right. Um, they have to pay someone if they were exonerated with DNA proving their innocence. Okay. So because there was DNA, Lamar is left with no immediate financial assistance, housing assistance money. Someone has to take his case, like,
“yes, what's it called? Well, you have to like go all the way up. Yeah, but someone takes your case,”
like, um, pro bono. Thank you. But, and then that's just hoping the loss to even turns out.
Some of the times they don't win. Yeah, for sure. But a lot of the times I feel like they do if it's obvious like this. Well, and also you're suing, but there's a lawn play saying they don't owe you compensation. And it also takes a long time. It's just horrible. So he has no savings account. But luckily his family actually teamed up with the Midwest Innocence Project to launch a go fund to me. Oh, nice. Which does happen when you like they'll say, please donate to this person,
because when they get out of prison, they're going to have to start life. And on July 4th of 2023,
Lamar posted thinking everyone for the donations. He said, he had since gotten the opportunity
to fly an airplane, see the ocean, walk his daughter down the aisle. He also said he was dedicating his time and energy to helping correct more wrongful convictions by raising awareness and working to get his life back on track. In 2024, Lamar's lawyers also helped him file a lawsuit suing the city, um, and the officers, like Garrett said, he would. But I mean, that was takes long, you need immediate money. Yeah. So in a statement to the press, Lamar summed up his experience
saying quote, I'm grateful to be free. I'm doing my best to make up for all of the time that was stolen from me and my family, especially my daughters. I want to put this dark and painful chapter behind me, but there can be no healing without answers and accountability. I deserved better and so did Marcus. I intend to make sure this doesn't happen to anyone else. If you want to help more people like Lamar and help bring justice to those who are accountable for violent
crimes, like those against Marcus, you can visit the innocence project dot org slash take action. I will note Garrett and I have donated in the past to the innocence project. I do think that
“they're of very great nonprofit organization. And I think the most of a sitting part about all of”
this and this often happens in wrongful convictions. Marcus's true crime case was then taken over by a wrongful conviction case. Yeah. And so it just takes true crime and makes it worse because you're now having multiple victims. Marcus's family now has this tied to the case of like this horrible thing happened and then someone went to prison for it that was innocent. He was going to say it kind of toddler really sad. It starts to overshadow Marcus's death as
well because I mean end of the day someone died and his murder. And they that family will also lost Marcus. So it's just like like you said so many people were affected. And had it's just like it's just devastating. It's devastating that this is even a reality. But that was the case of Marcus Boyd and the wrongful conviction of Lamar Johnson. And thank you so much for listening please think
“about both families as you go out you know go through the day today and if you want to look into”
their cases more there's links everywhere also can look into the innocence project but we will see you next time with another one. I love it. And I hate it. Goodbye.
