318. What Happened to Jamie Laiaddee?

Hey everyone, welcome back to the podcast, this is Murder With My Husband, I'm Payton Morelin. And I'm Garrett Morelin. And he's the husband. We got a jump straight into Garrett's 10 seconds today because it is like 9pm we've been at the Bagel Shop all day and Daisy is kind of usually why we are not in bed yet.

So, welcome back happy Monday, another episode, another grateful day. I tried, I tried the skipping and get right into it. Listen, I appreciate it.

“Pretty cool life for all of your watching Murder With My Husband, you know?”

I agree. I don't know, hashtag West, here we are, however everything's going great, not gonna talk about

the Bagel Shop right now because taking a break for a second, but I will talk about something

that I saw and chew crime that people, people have been wanting us to cover, what was it? Oh, the, I think it was a couple of different, oh no, you will know it, David. Yeah. Apparently he just got sentenced or convicted.

Carged? Carged? Yeah. Which everyone knew? Like, this has been fun.

This has been fun. I don't know much about it. Everyone knew that he had done it, so they were wondering why I was taking so long and like, it's just like not what you see on TV.

It takes a long time for a prosecution to be like, yeah, we're ready to move forward.

Kind of crazy. And I do think it very states a state about who's willing to like make the arrest and hold on. Yeah. Intel trial and who's who wants to get trial ready and then charge.

Yeah, I don't know much about it. I just know.

“I think the only thing that I saw was that the body was in the trunk or something along”

those lines. He's like an artist, musical artist. I need to say something skipping right into my 10 seconds here because I have a list on the podcast. I would like to say, I don't really have a list in real life.

Our editor every week says we need to fix something on our mics and I don't do it. I promise, not I'm not knocking lists. If anyone else has a list about their power to you, brothers, homies, hugs, kisses, exo, exo, but I just feel like sometimes I listen to one of the episodes. There's no way.

Dude, my mic does that with my valves. It mixes up my E.E. Okay. No, that's not your mic. Sorry to tell you.

Not your mic, Lily. Okay, that's an accent. It's an accent. I'm telling you, for me, it's something in here. Yeah, it does get significantly worse because it makes it from like a 5% to like a 6%

percent.

“I think you have like a very small hint of it and any time it's in the mic, it's”

10%. It mixes, like I do have a little list on certain words sometimes. Yeah. When I say my asses, but in a person, I feel like you can't really, you don't really notice it.

You know how I know it's the mic? Okay, Jordan. Okay. You know how I know it's the mic is that when we went and recorded with my Ohio, it was so bad on their mics.

Yeah, I do remember that. It's just different mics. I'm setting certain mixers and certain mics, it just brings it from like I said, like a mock-in defensive here, I'm just saying, it gets pretty crazy. Anyways, I just wanted to say that because I feel like I had it that, okay, well, I

like you list 5% and 1% that I'm so conscious about it or anything. Anyways, that's my 10 seconds. That's what I got. I think it's all I got. Yeah, we are recording at night.

We don't usually do this. I'm getting into it. After we record, yeah, we're going to go back to record on my goop stairs. I'm going to take a shower. I'm going to go to bed just in case anyone's curious what I'm doing with the rest of the

night. So on that note, let's get into this week's episode. Our sources for this episode are East Valley Tribune.com, CBS News.com, Paramount Express.com, 12news.com, AP News.com, CNN.com, ATAR.com, AZcentral.com, PhoenixNewTimes.com, ABC15.com, Tucson.com, and the help find Jamie Lady Facebook page.

Sorry, before we get into it, is Aquafore? If anyone from Aquafore is watching, I use this daily. That was put that back up in the mic, it was very ASMR on headphone.

It sounded better the first time, anyways, and if you want to send me like 2,000 of these,

My favorite thing is whenever we have an episode that gets tired, can we get through

“then you have to interject just to talk about your aquafore?”

Yeah, because lots of going through my mind. I know. I know. Okay. Now, getting into the episode, most of us have someone in our life that we talk to on a daily

basis, parent, friend, partner, even a child, someone who would notice immediately if things were out of place, that's how a lot of these cases even start, right? A coworker doesn't show up to the office, a daughter misses her daily call to her mom. A wife doesn't come home from the grocery store. The people around us are the ones who look out for us, who can tell when something is

wrong, who can call the police and say, hey, this is out of character you need to look into this, but not everyone in this world has someone like that.

“And those are probably some of the most heartbreaking cases to cover because the more time”

that passes, the harder and investigation becomes. Not only does time erase evidence and memories, it can erase a person too, which is why today's case will prove it is actually way better to keep your friends closer than your enemies. I want to introduce you to 32-year-old Jamie Lady.

Now, Jamie grew up in Pasadena, California.

She always felt a bit different than a lot of her friends, unlike the laid-back, relaxed

parents, a lot of the kids had in California around her, Jamie's upbringing was tougher. It was more rigid. Her parents, Jimmy and Vani, were immigrants from Thailand. They had come to the U.S. hoping for a better life with more opportunity, searching for that American dream, if you will.

“And because of that, Jamie and her older sister felt a lot of pressure to succeed growing”

up. She understood her parents' struggles to get here, to give her a better life, and she didn't want to let them down, but it also shaped the person Jamie would become and her relationship with her parents down the line. While Jamie was confident and bubbly, she could also be quiet and reserved, and it wasn't

until college when she found other like-minded people that she really started to grow into her own. So Jamie grows up.

She attended the University of Michigan, and for the first time, there was some real distance

between her and her parents, which Jamie does seem grateful for. She could only take so much pressure from them about going to medical school, and at times she might have felt like her life and her choices weren't really her own. But now, Jamie was on her own for the first time in her life, able to make her own decisions which she really embraced and loved.

And that distance between her and her family when she left for college, it grew. Friends said Jamie didn't really talk much about her family. She would change the subject whenever they were brought up in conversation. Eventually, her friends just got the vibe that she probably wasn't on good terms with, most of them.

But some of Jamie's friends at the University of Michigan could relate with this. This whole, like, going to college and kind of creating that space between you and your parents. A lot of the people in her friend group were also children of immigrants. They knew kind of what that pressure felt like to succeed.

And Jamie found a lot of comfort in knowing that she wasn't alone in this, and she also found comfort in something else during that time, and it happened to be college football. She and her group of girlfriends were obsessed with their college team. They would watch the games every single weekend. For Jamie, it almost becomes like a part of her identity with her friend group.

But then, the years go by, graduation day came, and it was time for all of them to move on with their lives. And Jamie and her close group of friends all went their separate ways. And life took Jamie out to Phoenix, Arizona. After she got a great high paying job selling medical supplies soon, Jamie had made enough

money to actually buy her own home in the trendy neighborhood of Chandler, Arizona. But life outside of work could become a bit lonely for Jamie. Like, she kept in touch with some of her college friends, mostly just sending an email or a phone call. She's making great money.

She has a great job, but she had had this amazing life in college and then moved.

communicating with her friends on a daily basis.

And eventually, she actually found a university of Michigan alumni group out in Phoenix. So they would get together to watch the football games every weekend. And while it was nice to have a new community and some new acquaintances, it obviously still wasn't the friend group.

“She had back in college, though eventually it did seem worth it because that's how 29-year-old”

Jamie met 30-year-old Ryan Stewart in 2007. Now, Brian was a personal trainer living in Scottsdale at the time, again 2007, about a 25-minute drive from Phoenix, and during one of their alumni events, Ian Jamie caught each other's eye. The two bonded over their shared alma mater.

She also loved how funny he was and that he really seemed to care about her a lot. And soon, they become a full-blown couple. Now, about a year later, in 2008, they decided they were ready to take the next step and Brian moved into Jamie's house in Phoenix. And she didn't seem to mind being the breadwinner for the couple.

While Brian was still doing his personal training, Jamie was making over six figures and she was happy to share it with the man that she was, you know, thinking she was gonna spend forever with. Okay.

“She helped him pay most of his bills, she got him a new car, but over time, the two started”

to only spend time with each other.

Again, Jamie had always been a pretty private person, but now, even she had stopped going

to the University of Michigan alumni events. So, she was no longer really keeping in touch with her college friends, none of the new friends she had made. Many of Jamie's friends said she stopped making an effort. So things sort of fell off, she only talked to her parents every month or so.

They said they were just kind of giving her space while she was off living her own life. But by the summer of 2009, it seemed like Jamie and Brian had basically cut off the outside world entirely. Seemed like the two of them were just in their little love bubble and Jamie seemed satisfied with simply just going to work and then coming home to her life with Brian and Brian

only.

“But that August, Jamie received some tough news, she was actually being laid off from her”

high-paying job, something she did not see coming. Jamie spent the next several months looking for work and she wasn't even being picky. She was searching all over the country, willing to move to Florida, New Jersey, wherever it took to find something comparable. Now meanwhile, the housing economy was in a steep decline and the value of Jamie's home,

she had bought started to plunge, which worried her even more. She wondered if she would even see any profits from that investment.

So basically, Jamie is entering a difficult period in her adult life and is started to take

a toll on her relationship with Brian too. Eventually, according to him, it got to the point where he went back to Scottsdale and rented an apartment there, so he moves out. And it kind of looks like things weren't going to work out long-term after all. In fact, on the night of March 17th, 2010, Brian said he was planning to have a conversation

with Jamie. He was going to tell her about the new apartment and he was going to let her know. He was moving out that he'd got this new apartment and he was officially going. But Jamie had other plans that day. That afternoon, she went to get an oil change and then she stopped at a Wells Fargo Bank.

Afterwards, she went home and just as Brian was about to break the news to her, he says, "She dropped a bomb on the conversation instead," he says, "Hey, I've gotten a job in Denver Colorado and I want you to move there with me." So he's coming to be like, "I'm moving out. I'm done."

And she's like, "Look, he's got a job and I want you to move." As we know, Brian was an interested. He told Jamie, "I'm going to stay here in Arizona. I just don't see a future with you." And the two get into an argument about it that night, eventually Brian said things calmed

down. He went to bed. The following morning, March 18th, he got up for work super early in the morning around 3.15 a.m., Jamie was still sleeping. He gave her a kiss goodbye, pulled her he loved her and got into his truck to go to work.

So when he got back to her house later that day, Jamie was already gone and that same afternoon, Brian emailed one of their mutual friends from the alumni club, a woman named

in the email.

Yes, this day, which as we know, it was the opposite, basically.

And she hasn't moved yet, like, it was the opposite, like, she dumped her in the sense. Yes. So Marlene said Brian sounded a little upset about it, but she didn't find it all that surprising that Jamie would decide to move her job and just leave a boyfriend behind like that.

“But after this, 10 weeks go by, no one hears or sees Jamie lady, remember she's fired.”

So she's not reporting to work, she's supposed to be moving to get a new job, so 10 weeks go by. Why would he, no one hears, I'm not convinced that he's the killer yet, so let's keep going. So not only this, 10 weeks have gone by, no one has seen or heard from her and no one really

is that worried until finally in May, Brian calls that friend Marlene, they he had talked

to basically the day after they broke up to say he's a bit concerned because he hasn't seen or heard from Jamie since they broke up and he knows that no one else has heard from her. Now hearing this, Marlene, a normal human, starts to worry, she figures okay, we all know Jamie is a private person, maybe she just wants space, but Brian, the one person she spoke

“to daily also hasn't heard from her, that's not a good sign, so Marlene calls another”

mutual friend of theirs from the alumni club and they know a private investigator who can just help look into it, do a wellness check and he finds Jamie's credit card activity and sees that there's been no activity on it for a while. Now these two girls, when they see this, like they come to, they go to this private investigator they're like, we're not really sure anything's wrong, but your friend of ours can you

look into this, the private investigator looks into it and it's like, yeah, there's been no activity on her card, these two girls immediately are like, where's the suspicious of Brian, her ex-boyfriend who brought this all to attention, so they're like a private investigator friend, can you run a background check on Brian Kate, give me my police are not involved yet because they're still naughty, like they, they're not super great friends with Jamie,

so they're just, they're just your average, worried person, nothing comes up on this

“background check against Brian that surprises them, the only thing interesting is they”

find that he lived at two Michigan addresses at one point was someone named Rick Wayne Valentini, probably a roommate or relative, nothing worth noting, but they're like, oh, he lived with this person, so after this Marlene asks Brian, hey, like, okay, you haven't seen her, have you spoken to her parents at all, and he's like, no, I haven't, so she's like,

you should call them, which he does, and on May 28, you finally calls Jamie's dad Jimmy

to tell him, hey, no one has seen her hurt from your daughter since, thank Patrick's day, and that's when Jimmy Laity calls the Chandler Police to report his daughter missing, I'm just trying to figure out the long time, and weeks, and no one real life, she just didn't, I mean, she didn't, it was just, she wasn't going to work anymore, she didn't really talk to her family, the only person she talked to was him, and he didn't alert anyone that he wasn't talking

to her until 10 weeks later. Yeah, I get that, no, I understand it's possible, but 10 weeks is just pretty wild. So, when police get this reporter, and I like 10 weeks, the first person they're going to suspect is the last person to see her, which everyone knows is her boyfriend, Brian Stewart, and they want to bring him in for questioning, so they call Brian to see if he'll come down to the station, but after trying him a few times, there's no answer, which to them

is a red flag. If you know your girlfriend is missing, you called her parents to alert them, you want to find her, why are you now dodging the police's phone calls? So, they look in a Brian's background and find, he actually hasn't outstanding warrant for driving on a suspended license. This is something they can use to their advantage, so they get the plates for Brian's car, the one Jamie bought him, and on June 3rd, they track him down to that apartment that he got.

This one just seems obvious. Gone for 10 weeks, last person to see was the ex or boyfriend, whatever you want to call him. Who told someone the next day that she might go. Like, come on. So, open and shut, solve, whatever and have a good night. They find him at the apartment, and they

And in that interrogation room, Brian tells police that he and Jamie were dating for about three

years when she disappeared. He had never cheated on her, things were really good between them,

but Jamie hated living in Arizona. And after losing her job, she wanted nothing more than just to move out, find a new job, get a fresh start, but Brian didn't. He said the last time he saw her,

“was the morning of March 18th when he kissed her goodbye as she was still sleeping. Remember,”

like 3 a.m., and then headed off to work. And when he went back to her house later, he was gone. He says he wasn't worried about her because she took $100,000 of her parents' money, and left Arizona to start a new life for herself. Which maybe makes sense except for one big problem. The police had already looked into Jamie's finances, and there was nothing that showed she was

spending money, living a new life somewhere, let alone in Colorado where Brian claims she went.

So meanwhile, as detectives are questioning Brian, there's another team executing a search warrant at Jamie's home. And they find all of her stuff is still there, including suitcases, which they're like if she really moved to Colorado, moved out of state, start a new life.

“Maybe took this money from her parents. I'm sure there's more to the story there that hasn't”

been reported. Maybe her parents had money or Brian was just trying to point it on someone else. But they're thinking, okay, even if she did do this, when she at least pack a bag and her passport is still at her home, 10 weeks later, what is missing is her wallet and her driver's license.

Though there's no sign of any foul play having happened in the home, no blood stains, no signs of a

struggle, he'd been mine nearly 10 weeks have passed, since Jamie was last seen. That is a lot of time for someone to go back and clean up evidence, which is why police are still keeping a close eye on Brian. Even if he is sticking with his nose, she just ran away story. And they quickly learn, he was not the prince charming. He'd kind of made himself to be surprised. I'm just an innocent boyfriend that didn't want to pick up and leave in 2007, three years before

Jamie disappeared. Brian was arrested for burglary. Jamie, and I don't know why any of this didn't come up on the background check. I'm sure there's a reason why, or maybe there's levels of it, but just to clear that up, I'm not sure why, but police find out three years earlier. He had been arrested for burglary. Jamie was the one who came to his rescue, paying for a good attorney, who got his charges reduced to trespassing. But after that, Jamie became a little bit more suspicious of

“Brian. This boyfriend should just help get out of burglary. Was he really who he said he was?”

This just felt so out of character. What was he doing? So she had hired a private investigator. Not the last one. Who did a background check on Brian? And apparently found nothing that stood out because afterwards Jamie still stayed with him. There were also a few friends who believed Brian was emotionally and maybe even physically abusive towards Jamie. And apparently the day before she disappeared on March 17th, she told a friend that she was afraid of Brian. She didn't

want to go to the police because she didn't think they would do anything because he, I mean like she doesn't go into detail that he hasn't done anything. But something else, the police find that feels a little sketchy, is Jamie's credit cards had been used a few times since she vanished. But it was only for internet purchases and dating websites. And who was the person using her card after she vanished? Of course her ex-boyfriend, Brian, which he was using to meet other women online,

like he's using her credit cards after she moved to Colorado to meet other women online. So the day after they get Brian into custody, they get another search warrant. And this time, it's for the apartment that he got 25 minutes away in Scottsdale. And as they start going through things that are police discover a name that just kind of keeps appearing like on these background checks when they're looking into him, this guy, Rick, Wayne, Valentini, says the same name that

came up when Jamie's friends hired the PI to do a search into Brian. Though that PI was pretty sure this guy was just a roommate, someone Brian had lived with. But after executing that warrant, the police realized Brian Stewart was Rick, Wayne, Valentini, okay. And he had been living a double. That's insane. That's insane. So Rick had been going by this Brian persona for the last

Like even his yes, everyone at the alumni, everyone. Oh, that's Ricky. But Rick or Brian said he

wasn't doing this to run from the law. He was just escaping what he claimed was a traumatic past. Rick's aunt Donna vouched for him, saying his mother had had him when she was 18. His father

“wasn't present in his life over the years. Rick was physically and emotionally abused. Remember”

Rick is Brian, which was when his aunt Donna actually took him in. Donna also told the press. He likely created this other persona because he just didn't want to be Rick anymore. He wanted to move somewhere and have a fresh start. And in October of 2001, Rick finally left his hometown in Michigan and set off for Phoenix as Brian Stewart. But rather than legally changes name, Rick just forged himself a new birth certificate. So now he's creating another person. And he also forged

another big document. His diploma from the University of Michigan. He never actually attended the school.

He'd only taken a few classes at a community college in California before transferring to the University of Utah. So his whole past like has nothing to do with his new life he lived in Arizona where he's like, "No, I joined this alumni club of this school I'd never even attended." Shockingly though, this was just the tip of the iceberg. Rick had lied to everyone about pretty much his entire past. He told Jamie his parents had been killed by a drunk driver. This

was not true. That he had served in the military and was in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Again, not true. The reality was he had been enlisted but was dishonorably discharged after going a wall. Oh, shut up. It's a ginormous difference. Well, get this. It's crazy. He stabbed two military officers in the hands and legs. What? What is happening right now? He served two years in military prison. But then got out and said, "Oh, yeah, I'm a vet. I served here and here." They need to have an app

where every time you meet somebody or a date someone, everyone has to scan it and it brings up their entire record room on your phone. If you can see who that person is, if they're lying, if it's true, and it's like tied to you somehow. So this is obviously something he didn't share with Jamie, but even more surprising when police are figuring out who Rick is, who's Brian. They find that Rick had not one but three X wives. Oh, my gosh. This is getting just outlandish at this point. Two daughters

from those marriages. His oldest daughter Amy was an infant when Rick left her family. She said

he never once reached out, tried to make contact with her. What? Then he just goes here.

Shaves eight years off, his age changes his name to Brian and says, "Hey, can you buy me a car?" Oh, yeah, he was just dating her for the money. So obviously this is a massive reveal that police

“find after searching Rick/Brian's apartment. But this false identity is not the only thing they”

discover at Brian's apartment. They also find a bunch of different guns. Jamie's missing wallet, her personal cell phone she'd been using before she disappeared, and a small white envelope that detectives think might be hiding another clue. But they will need a different warrant to open it because it's not in plain view. So they collect it as evidence along with the rest of the suspicious items found in Rick's place. And they go back to question Rick, now that they're like Brian,

you're Rick, Rick, you're Brian, what's going on? Now police confront him about his alternate identities, but Brian uses it to double down. He insists, okay, yes, I am Rick, but I did nothing to Jamie, but he did teach her how to create a new identity and run away because he had done it. Oh gosh, but the police are still aren't buying it. And in June of 2010, just a week or so after arresting Rick for driving on that suspended license, they get some news. They've received the

warrant. I'm just going to call him Rick from now on. Okay, guys, they've received the warrant to open that envelope that they found in Rick's apartment and inside, they discover a bunch of cut-up cards that belonged to Jamie. Her driver's license from Michigan University Alumni Card for

“Credit Card. Now, Rick insists, no, Jamie was the one who did that. Remember, I helped her. I”

helped her run away. I helped her find a new identity. She cut up all her IDs, gave him to me for safety,

the truth or not they're like, well, let's test the envelope. Just use DNA on it. Like, if she

“cut these up and sealed this envelope, it's her DNA. Sure enough, the DNA on the envelope is a match”

or Rick. He is still the envelope, not Jamie. However, police are like those still isn't enough. Yeah, because he must be a murder actually. I cut it up. She cut it, give to me. I sealed it. Correct. Yeah. What they can't charge in with at this point is fraud and forgery, which they do in June of 2010 and in the meantime, they keep searching for more evidence that Jamie, Lady, didn't just disappear, but she was murdered. Remember, they don't have a body.

So her friends and her family, obviously at this point are also suspecting this as well. That August 2010, five months after Jamie was last seen, they hold a visual for Jamie. There, they pass out flyers and encourage anyone with information to come forward. They also launch the help find Jamie Lady Facebook page. And at the same time, police are trying desperately to build a case. But with no body, they know it's going to be hard to press charges.

And with absolutely zero concrete evidence to show foul play had been involved. It looks like Rick just might get away with being like, I helped her run away. Yeah. There's just, I mean,

“yeah, you, it's like fills obvious. But is it enough to really put him in prison for murder?”

So he could get away with this forever? If he can keep his mouth shut, because while he's being held on those fraud charges, Rick says something to an inmate that, okay, he says, uh, yeah, I'm in here because I killed Jamie with a sought off shotgun fed her to pigs and chopped up her body before putting her into plastic bags. What's up? Later, he asks the inmate, "Do you think that they will charge me if they can't find her body?" Uh, and so this guy

becomes a jailhouse informant, which we all know how I feel. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of jailhouse informant. We all know how I feel, but this is going to be used in this case. They're going to

use this informant to be like, this is why we don't have a body. He fed her to pigs. The answer is,

yes, this confession is all police need to indict him on charges of second degree murder in March of 2011. Second degree. It's just like they're trying so hard without any evidence, basically. So in October of that year, Rick Valentini, aka Brian Stewart, goes on trial, and one of the first

“witnesses to take the stand for the prosecution is interestingly one of Rick's clients. Remember”

he's a personal trainer, a woman named Andrea Ardsma. Now, Andrea said back in 2010 before Jamie disappeared, she and her husband, who was a pitcher for the Seattle Mariners, we're living in Scott's cell for the off season. And during that time, they were training with Rick, aka Brian at their local golds gym. But Andrea said, all she could hear about from Brian while they were training with him was how terrible his girlfriend is. She was, quote, a whiny, naggy bitch and a

sugar mama. Andrea said there was one thing Brian did though that really suck out with her.

He would always grab his stomach and call her Jamie the gut referring to her physical appearance.

This is insane because whatever, I know he's keep going. So Andrea says on stand that she asked Brian a few times why he didn't just break up with her, if he hated her this bad. But it seems she never really got a straight answer. The jury also heard that Jamie actually had gotten a new job recently, but it wasn't in Colorado, like Brian had told everyone. It was in Phoenix, Arizona. There was no leaving states. There was no moving. She was supposed to start the day she disappeared.

March 18th. Her new employer took the stand to say Jamie seemed really excited about the position, expressed she was looking forward to working with him and then she just never showed up. And even stranger was what her lawyer/good friend David told the court. He said he was helping Jamie negotiate her contract for that job and actually saw her two days before she disappeared to go over the details before signing the contract. He claimed during that meeting,

Jamie had bruises on her and he said she seemed like an emotionally and physically battered woman. Also taking the stand for the prosecution was the gel house informant who did receive a deal. His two-year sentence for fraud had been reduced to one for his cooperation, which is not the worst deal we've seen for a gel house informant. Usually it's like life in prison. Lowered this is just a two-year sentence, lowered to one year sentence.

And if he was there for two years, anyways, yeah. Despite the defense's better judgment, Rick insisted on taking the stand in his own defense and after telling the jury he was given

He drops a major bomb and he tells the jury he knows Jamie is still alive because she

“had visited their home, his apartment on a few occasions since her disappearance in March.”

He sometimes wonder if people convinced themselves of what they're saying or the delusion to me is wild. The amount of delusion people have is kind of funny. So his whole thing on the stand was like I'm here because you say I'm murder Jamie but I'm telling you right now. This was our plan. She wanted to run away. I'm the only one who knows who she is now, who her new identity is. I have seen her. I have talked her. She's come back and visited me.

Neither of us thought it was going to get this far but I am not going to turn her over to police. Just to stop me from getting this murder sentence. Just what a night in shining art that guy is. She could just appear. She could just show up to the police station and say I'm good bye. Okay. Okay. And none of this would happen but no. Please protect me.

“What a guy man. This girlfriend he hates. I know. He's a good guy.”

So Rick is found guilty of second degree murder. He was sentenced to 22 years for the murder

and 32 years for other crimes related to the murder like fraud and weapons charges. A grand total of 54 years behind bars which will put him in his 90s when released. But since Rick continued denying any wrongdoing that meant that justice is not really served for Jamie or her family. And I hate when that happens. No one has no idea what actually happened to Jamie or where she is. It could very well be with the employment. Yeah because there'd be nothing left.

But this all changed. Oh my gosh. Why did you do that? I just had to. It was just like a. Because it did take a while. Seven years later. Okay. Seven years is a long time to be like he's in jail but we have no idea what happened.

“On June 21st, 2018 they found something. That day a construction crew was working at a vacant”

lot in the Chandler area of Phoenix right near Jamie's old home and they discovered a set of decomposed human remains under a pile of dirt. Well, week later, the Maricopa County Medical Examiner's office identified the body as none other than missing and murdered 32 year old Jamie lady. The autopsy details remain undisclosed but chances are the remains were probably to decompose to even tell how he killed her is how he said he killed her. But either way, we now know she was

murdered right near her home. Well, also does the does the inmate? Because like did he lie? Did he little truth? Does he still get that sentence knocked down? No, but not that's the point of the story of just curious. He's not backing what he's saying. He's just informing the jury what he was told. Yeah. So he doesn't have to be right or wrong. He all he has to do is say this is what I heard. Like what if you made it up and then he happened to just get lucky that he actually did kill someone.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, totally possible. I mean, there were a lot of circumstances. Yeah. Like finger pointing of like, okay, it's obvious. So so we don't know if how he said he killed her was true or not. He obviously didn't feed her to the pigs part because they found her body. Yeah. But she she could have been cut up. She could have been shot. Oh gosh. So afterwards Jamie's family posted on her Facebook page that the search for Jamie was officially

over. The post red quote, "Our hearts are still broken, but at least now we can honor Jamie's glorious memory properly," which is just such a like. Yeah. Yes, there's a win in the case this overlining us, but it's not a win. It's horrible. Since Jamie's passing a Chinese

PNE tree has been planted in her honor at the University of Michigan, which is so amazing

because it feels like this was a really big major part of the short life that she got to live. And I'm happy that, you know, this place where Jamie felt free, happy, able to express herself fully had a ton of friends a place where she had hope and promise for the future where her spirit grew. There is now a tree there that represents her that grows as well. And I do think that that is a really great way to honor that part of her life. So I want to do include it. But that was the

devastating, just absolutely what, why murder of Jamie lady. Also like, she just, who's so nice and kind, took care of him. Don't understand. Did not deserve this. What are like, you meet this psycho crazy who's a huge liar who you don't even know has had three wives, two daughters,

Like, he's just gross. It's kind of frustrating. We're easy that he was able to go that long under that identity. That's nuts. That's just disturbing. All right, you guys, that was our episode for today and we will see you next week with another one. I love it. And I hate it. Goodbye.