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Cindy said, "I had to choose between the truth and my family, and I had to choose the truth." Listen to season 3 of burden of guilds on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. The trail weekly is back with brand new stories. From threatening text messages disturbing a small Midwestern town.

It was from an unknown number. Who else is getting these messages? Why did it start with us to long cons and stolen identities? Who lies about being this sick? This was the last time I ever believed the word she said.

Listen to betrayal weekly on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder. That's Georgia Heart Start. That's Karen Kilcaref.

Non-duer listener. You need to know the George's wearing a floral mechanics jump suit. I am with pockets. It's major. Thank you.

All in one. All in one, zip up. Got to get make it to pee. That's what you're so fun. Completely naked in public bathrooms.

Must to pee. Where is it? Yeah, I feel like I feel powerful and like capable.

Yes, I've never worn a jumpsuit before.

It's great. It's a company called Mixed Bite Nazrin, who makes these and it's like their thing. Mixed M-I-X-M-I-E-D-E-D. And Nazrin and A-Z-O-O-A-S-R-I-N.

And A-S-R-I-N. Yeah, nice. Kind of a thing. I mean, it's like Hawaiian florals, meets, engineers, functional--

Safety levels. It's going to go in my binder of what I wore. Good. So I do not repeat it. And at Christmas, we get to review the binder.

Yes, and pick our favorites. Well, there's a fake fire playing on them. I'm like a, like, a memories. But it's just your outfits. Nobody notices our cares.

Meanwhile, I am 80% sure that while this is not the exact same shirt,

it's the second version of this shirt that I wore to record many suits.

I'm pretty sure it's the same one. Don't be like me. It's really fucking hard up here. Yeah, like constantly. But, you know, I couldn't if I tried.

I really couldn't. The outfit thing when I was in high school mattered a lot to me.

“And I think I broke my own brain with the body over consciousness.”

It was tough. There was a spree full suit. I wore once that it wakes me up at the moment with how good it was. And I thought it was like the height of style. I have to see it.

I think I was just too far ahead. Was everyone wears athletes or now? Was it like a sweatsuit? No. Oh, why is that?

It was like a little business suit. But it was white. Children in business suits. Children in, but it was the 80s so that was kind of poochy. Yeah.

Pleated in the pants. Oh, just like unflattering. And insanely long in the jacket blazer. And it was just so rung children. It's so good.

It was white. It was like 16. Okay. White with geometric patterns that were passed out. So like a little turquoise triangle and a little orange square all over it.

I gotta find this. Thank you. Or listeners? Who had this? Please find in your picture of being a teen in your

ispree business suit. Yes, shoulder pads. It was a time. And I've served my time. Yeah.

And you don't need to do anything. Fading into the Gen X background. Congratulations. Thank you. It's really nice.

It's not stressful. And not pointless and tedious. I mean, actually now, it's fun. I like dressing up and wearing clothes. It's your thing.

It should suit. I would say it's your true passion. I do love it.

“It does change my personality and change my like what's the word?”

Or a we feel that day. Completely set up a little strator. You get to test out all the different nights at your round table.

Now, this is girly engineered Georgia. I love it.

“gasoline station attendant, gas station attendant.”

But make it tropical.

But make it 95 degrees with 80 percent humidity.

Right. Well, I have a corrections corner. Speaking of, that's a great transition. When I did this story about Paul Fransack, the baby who was kidnapped as a baby. Yes, that was how it goes.

I forgot to mention that the knife actually didn't episode on it. Oh, they did it two-part episode on it. Wow, called kidnapped at birth, which of course they did it wonderfully highly recommend. Check that out. And it aired just this past May.

Oh, great. Yeah, okay. We have a podcast network. It's called exactly right media. And that's right.

Here are some highlights. This week over on banana's Curtin Scotty. Cover Katy Perry's performance recently where she got stuck in a giant bottle. Also a stolen St. Clair dinosaur and a french fry that caused a gas station crash. We've gone over on brief recess.

Michael and Melissa discussed the ongoing Lindsey Clancy trial.

“And what kind of lawyer a trans person should hire?”

Plus, Emmy award-winning actor, writer, and comedian, Brian Saffy joins them in this studio, the vast, to share behind the scene stories from his off Broadway show, "Are you mad at me?" So, Brilliant, I love Brian Saffy so much. Are you following the Lindsey Clancy trial? I only just heard about it, like just learned about it a couple of days ago.

So, I'm like trying to catch up. It's a kind of thing where people are already being like, this is wrong in that, like, people are already angry and accusing. So, I'm like trying to follow and get the story before I get the opinion. And every day something new, some little detail comes out that is interesting or curious or suspicious.

Right. Also just on the brief recess thing, Michael just announced yesterday. He is one of the cast members of the new season of Traders. Unreal. It is, he's kind of, he's kind of, he's kind of, he's kind of, he's kind of, he's kind of, he's so good. I hope he's a trader.

I mean, I'm so excited.

“That man is so delight. He's everything.”

So, go listen to brief recess and he will tell you all about it. Over on disgraced land, Jake tells the story of the smashing punk. It's your favorite band Georgia from a drug-related debt to competing band narratives. This episode explores the strange legacy of Billy Corgan and company. They are messy notoriously. That's going to be really interesting.

He always wrote, it's like, he's to fight with Courtney Love.

Yeah. And there was just always something going on. Totally. And then finally on, I said, no gifts. Bridger keeps his cool when Hayden Johnson shows up with a gift. Then the two discuss cruise ships, Eagle Scouts, and Graver all being.

Just like us. That starts without a loom. Now the way an instant oil change, change wisely. All right, you go first, right? I'm very excited to tell you the story today because it is classic true crime.

And there's to me an infamous Forensic Files episode about it, which is when Marin and Molly pitched it. I was like, oh my god, I know exactly what you're talking about. Which one? It's one of them.

Okay, but just a warning to the listeners, this case involves not only sexual assault, but child sexual abuse. So please take care when you're listening to this and please take care of who's listening to this. You, of course, may have seen this already on Forensic Files in that episode.

They only refer to this victim by her first name, which is candy.

So that's what I'm going to do, too. Okay. So this story takes place in the early 90s in a rural Canadian town in Southeastern Saskatchewan called Kipling. It's a little quiet town. There's more livestock than people. That kind of place. And it's Halloween of 1993. A 23-year-old woman named candy is working her shift at a local gas station.

And as she's going about her day, it's business as usual until her ex-boyfriend stops by. The two get into an argument and it escalates to the point where her ex drives out of the parking lot and she runs after us truck and kicks it and puts a dent in it. So it's a bad fight. We don't know what it was about. But Candy's really upset. She wants to go talk to her best friend about it who works over at Kipling's hospital.

So she leaves the gas station. She drives over there. But when she gets there, she's told her friend isn't working that night. Candy is so visibly upset that the nurse she talks to suggests that she talked to a doctor. So this is a small town. So small there's two practicing doctors in the town. And Candy knows the one that's working that night. It's 32-year-old John Schneeberger, who the locals affectionately refer to as Dr. John. So nine months prior, he delivered Candy's

baby. So she trusts him completely. So when he says he's going to give her something to calm her nerves, you know, sounds great to her. He leaves the room. He comes back in with a long needle.

it until he gives her the medication. She's immediately overcome with severe disiness to the point

“that the doctor has to help her walk from the chair. She's sitting in over to the exam table.”

When she gets there, she just falls face first onto it. She is she will later say quote,

"I had no control over my muscles. It's like all my muscles left. And I was just this piece of jelly falling over. I tried to scream, but nothing would come out, but a croaking voice that a frog would make." And quote, "She comes to hours later, knowing something is deeply wrong. This is Candy's story of what happened to her that day and her hard-fought battle for justice against the doctor she trusted with her life." Wow. The main sources used for the story are

archival articles from several Canadian newspapers and the forensic files episode that's mentioned above. I won't say the title right now. The rest of the sources are in the show notes. I don't know which one you're talking about, but I want to say is it the one that this, but I don't want to spoil it if it is. Do you want to do it just to get it off your chest? Is it the one where he uses his blood? Yeah. Oh my god, this one is like, I remember it.

“First of all, that's why it's one of the, it's one of the ones where as a teen watching”

forensic files, your mind goes, "I didn't understand people could or would do things like totally like that is so far beyond up like decent normal people." Okay. Here we go. So for everybody that's like, we don't know what forensic files is. Good. Grow up. So it's Halloween night 1993. Candy wakes up in the same exam room, but now she's alone and she is still slumped over the examination table. She immediately suspects that she has been sexually assaulted

from behind. So it's a position she was left with. Oh my god. On top of being drugged and disoriented,

she never saw her attacker's face. She explains it on forensic files this way, quote, "When

a dentist freezes your gums and he's pulling your tooth out, you can't feel the pain from the tooth, but what you can't feel is the pressure of the tooth moving back and forth. That's the only way I can describe it." Oh god. Yeah. A few hours later, as she gets ready to leave the hospital, she sees Dr. John and she asks him quote, "What the hell was that drug you gave me last night?" It turns out it was verseid, which is a fast-acting drug that's known to cause short-term amnesia

and it's used in clinical settings for severe anxiety or to relax patients before operations. This is very common to get a dose of verseid and that's that kind of like when you're in the hallway. Yeah. Just chill and wait and then you don't care. Everything's fine. Let's start with something a little lower, can we? Yeah. So given helps that candy had been the night before, it's not strange that the doctor would give her or said that in and of itself is not the craziest thing in the world.

Well, it's very strong, but it's Dr. John's response to this question that she raises that is a red flag and that is quote, "Why did it give you wild dreams?" immediate fury. So he starts talking about the hospitals quote, "wanderers" or the elderly patients with cognitive issues who get out of their beds and wander the hospital at night. As he's explaining this, everything is starting to click into place for candy. She realizes she is standing face-to-face with her rapist. She'll later say quote,

"I knew that I was going to have a hell of a fight on my hands because he's already covering up."

“I mean, he's just pulling in these, could it be in this? Yeah, could it be in this?”

Look at all of these variables. Which is so incredible that candy was still like nope. I know because

there's so many, you're taught to gaslight yourself to be like, that must be what it is. You know, I can't argue with this person. Yes. Maybe they're right. Like a lot of women. That's what we do. But in doing it sometimes, it's like we really take apart logic because it's like the last person she saw with a big needle full of medicine. The idea that she's putting two and two together, it's not only not crazy, but then he immediately is like giving her that like,

"What? Why? What's the problem?" Like, we know that personality is seen it before. But of course, that's meaningless. This is one woman's opinion. So she leaves the hospital and she drives to a different town to go to a clinic somewhere else, not in her town and gets a rape kit done, so that she can quote, "find out if this really did happen," or am I going nuts? And how old is she? She's in her mid 20s. Okay. That's so brave. She's really young. Yeah.

Candie explains to the person taking her report that she has not been sexually active for several weeks, yet the vaginal swab that collects from her tests positive for semen and also her genes and underwear do. So with that evidence in hand, she goes to the authorities to formally accused Dr. Schneeberger of rape. A police investigation is opened and soon word begins to spread through the town of Kippling. It will surprise no one that many people do not believe candy just immediately

her attacker's identity, but others think she's targeting Dr. John either because she's obsessed

with him and she's getting a revenge because he doesn't feel the same way, or they're secretly involved.

“She's tried to extort money from him. It's all gossip in the usual, but it's all on her, right?”

And Dr. John is a trusted physician who despite only being in his late 20s when he moved to town from South Africa in 1987 to open his practice and in the six year since he's proved to be very competent doctor that this town has embraced. So he was kind of an outsider and he was young and then he proved himself and everyone's like we love him. He's great. An ambulance driver will tell a local paper that quote, "I would estimate that at least 25 heart patients are alive today

because of Dr. John." But you can still be a fucking predator. That's right. It doesn't matter.

I'm a good thing you've done. My grandmother will roll over her grave, but it's like,

and let me introduce you to the Catholic Church, which people doing all the things that are right by the book, right, sending it up to the Lord. Yeah. I mean, let's not, let's not anymore. And we don't, and we will. Oh my God, I'm so much trouble. My father would, are you wrong?

“I'm in no way wrong. And also my mother would be like, that's right. Exactly.”

Also, Dr. John has a picture perfect home life. After he moved to Canada, he fell in love with a woman who was a single mother of two daughters, her name is Lisa, and John and Lisa got married, then they welcomed two of their own children to the family. Lisa will later tell the Globe and Mail newspaper that quote, "living in a small place like Kipling, not a day went by when people didn't stop me in the street and say, "Oh, you're so lucky to be married to such a wonderful man."

So it's the world of, you know, the whole town loves this person. So even though there's a ton of goodwill towards Dr. John, after candy comes forward, he is eager to clear his name. So he cooperates with investigators and he points out that verse said, "Can mess with a patient's memory and perception and can even cause what he calls, quote, erotic hallucinations?" Now it turns out sexual hallucinations are a side effect of the drug but rare. The doctor also

volunteers to provide a blood sample so investigators can test his DNA against the DNA extracted from those samples collected in candy's rape kit. Right. And when analysts compare the two, they determined that the blood sample and the semen sample did not come from the same person. Right. But candy knows she's right. That she still is like, no, I'm right. The blood sample shows, it's not a match and she still insists. She's like, yeah, it's so brave. Yes, it's the kind of

knowing where it's like, a lot of things in life are like this. They won't believe you. They won't be behind you. You just got to do it and go through it. Yeah. And then at the other side, people will be like, oh, right. I didn't know and, you know, do it anyway. Whatever. You got to do it anyway. This woman is so cool. I mean, yeah, yeah. Watch the forensic files if you haven't seen it. She's about us. So she wonders maybe if there's an issue with his blood sample or maybe that something

happened during the draw to compromise it. And this is the early 90s. It's so early with all this stuff that like, it became this like, well, this is the defining, you know, this will get the verdict one way or the other. Right. But at this point it was like early, it was before you could identify people through DNA. Right. It was simply matching. So you just had to match DNA to DNA. Right. The person interest, they had to have their sample to compare it to the sample they had,

“because the only way they could use DNA. Right. So the doctor actually volunteers to give another sample”

because he's such a great man in the community. Right. For this one, the police officers supervise a registered nurse, a she and Jackson needle into the doctor's arm. As soon as she fills a vile with blood, that vile is sealed and taken directly to a forensic lab for testing. And once again, that DNA comes back and it does not match. Well, the lean instant oil change presents wisdom from the road. Summer means wide open spaces in a whole lot of extra miles. Last place you

want your engine to give out is halfway to nowhere. Out here, low oil or a weak battery is just an ambush way to happen. That's why every oil change at Bavilleen is the oil change of glutes at 18 point maintenance check. These texture trained to help spot issues early and give your run easy. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the burden of guilt season 3 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous situation that destroyed two families. It started more than seven years ago

when Cindy and Kenny were two forty-somethings who had just gotten engaged. Days later,

they walked into a scorched earth war they never saw coming. Turn on a vision and find your back.

The cops gave it to my house and threw me in jail. And to Cindy's surprise, her fiance Kenny was charged with abuse in one of her children. I never once doubted Kenny,

about the length someone will go to in order to get what they want. This case has got to be one of the most despicable. Listen to season 3 of burden of guilt on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Betrayal Weekly is back with brand new stories. From threatening text messages

“disturbing a small Midwestern town, it was from an unknown number. Who else is getting these messages?”

Why did it start with us? To long cons and stolen identities. Who lies about being this sick? This was the last time I ever believed the word she said. New voices, each with the courage to tell their own story. He said I have been kidnapped. Okay, just trying not to know more. He was essentially on the run. Every family has secrets. The rug had been pulled from underneath me. Oh my god, it was right in front of my face and I didn't

even see it. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. So it's important to note that throughout all of this, Dr. John's wife Lisa is standing by him and she believes in her husband's innocence, which could not have been easy in that tiny town, because there's nothing people love more than a nice hard turn of, you know, like you were the one

I was jealous of and now look what happened to you. Yeah. So with this second blood test result,

Dr. John Schneeberger is cleared as a suspect, finally. But there's one inconvenient fact that remains and prosecutor Dean Sinclair will put this this way. He says quote verse had can account for all sorts of hallucinations possibly, but it can't produce cement. Right. And according to candy the last time she had intercourse was weeks before the incident. Yeah. Okay, so meanwhile rumors are flying around kippling about candy and they're so bad. There's so many they're so loud that she actually

has to leave town. But she has no intention of giving up because despite these test results, she absolutely knows who her rapist is. So then in the face of all of this, the police investigation goes cold because it's like we don't have the evidence. Yeah. We've tested it. That's now the evidence. Yeah. But candy is ready. She hires a private investigator to take over this PI,

basically knows that he needs to get a DNA sample. So he breaks into Dr. John's car.

He'll eat gold. Right. Right off the bat. Coming in on. Coming hot. And also now the thing that you're gonna get isn't in it. Recible and court. Totally. But he wants to find some of the doctors DNA. He sees a few strands of hair on the headrest, but there's no root attached. And that's

“where the DNA is in hair strands. So you have to have those root bulbs. But then he sees a tube of”

chopstick and grabs it. He takes it to a private forensics lab where technicians successfully extract DNA from it. And when they compare the chopstick sample to the Seaman sample from Candy's rape kit, it's a match. It's so crazy that they continued on this trajectory of it doesn't matter it's him because I feel like so many people would be like it's clearly not, especially even even her who in her mind knows it would gaslight herself into thinking I am imagining things.

But haven't you ever had a moment with a person where it's just like you know they're fucking with you. It's the gleam in the eye of like what did you have a weird dream or it's like it's a recognizable like personality type. Yeah. Then and it isn't and I think those types of people

get off on the fact that it's like only you and I know what I'm doing. Right. I never thought of that

“or you're remembering it wrong. Yeah. Yeah. And she's I think maybe isn't the kind of person”

that does doubt herself. Yeah. She's like go fuck yourself. Okay. So her quote is I knew it all along it wasn't a shock that something was going to match but it was a relief. So it's a win but of course bittersweet because it's inadmissible evidence. Yeah. But the information does raise new suspicions around the doctor and it becomes the basis for the civil suit that candy files against him. She takes into court in 1996 three years after her alleged assault but she's still

only in her mid 20s. Around the same time the investigation into that rape which went cold kicks back into gear and Dr. John is once again asked to provide a new blood sample. This time the draw takes place at the police department and it's being filmed as they draw it. And so this footage is in the front. Yeah. And do you remember his beautiful butter yellow sweater and his big 90s glasses that he's wearing? I don't know that you say so. Yeah. Yeah. The woman who's

conducting the draw, her name's Jean Rooney and she explains to the doctor that since she only needs

And he says, oh, no, sorry. I have a disease that causes me to bruise very badly on my hands.

“So I would rather have you draw the blood from right here in this arm. Yeah.”

And there's no rules or you know, regulations about where the blood has to be drawn from. So she just takes him at his work. Oh, so I know what's coming. If you don't know what's coming, it's gross. Just FYI. It's like, and she insert the needle into his, yeah. Oh, sorry. I should have given some sort of people have serious needle in blood issues. Yeah. Hopefully since this is a entirely blood-based story. Yeah. I feel like up until now, it's what he does. Yeah. That is so

fucked up. What's coming? Okay. Get ready, get ready. And get out of the room if you can't handle it. So if you don't turn it off, we need the, yeah. Just turn the volume down and watch something else. We need the strings. We don't need anyone. So Jean turns his forearm over looking for a suitable vein. And as she does, she notices something. She'll later say, quote, the vein was larger or appeared much larger than I would have expected. I thought it was a little unusual. Okay. And

quote, even greater than that, when she injects the needle into that vein that she finds no blood comes out. She pulls it back out. She tries again in a different spot. Still no blood into a vein.

Yeah. Yeah. On the third try, she finally manages to draw a little bit of blood, but it looks

off in the photo veins to come out of his arm. Okay. In the footage taken to the procedure that

“day, with Dr. John out of frame. So presumably out of the room. Yeah. That's what it looks like as”

that it's after the procedure. Yeah. You can hear Jean say, quote, it's a little strange. The blood doesn't really look fresh. I don't know. Yeah. The blood doesn't look fresh. Fresh is like probably bright red, right? And it's dark blue or darker. It's either darker or lighter or thinner or yeah. I mean, they can tell the difference between blood. Yeah, they can tell that. They must their duck. Well, it makes me think making a murderer. They found the blood on the steering wheel

that had clearly already been exposed to air instead of coming straight from something something. Right. It wasn't fresh blood. And they could tell. Right. So they know all these things. They know things. Doctors and scientists. Okay. So this blood sample is immediately sent to a lab for processing an analyst's determine that this blood is too degraded to be analyzed by DNA. So now the police are forced to go back to candy and tell her they can't use the sample that he has

provided because it's too degraded. Yeah. And of course, candy is furious. This is a huge-

“That's not our fucking problem. Go back and get more mother fucker. I know, but I think it was like”

the one shot deal of like, oh, sorry, if you can't use whatever. So got it. It's a huge bloated her civil case and to the newly resurrected criminal case for this rape and both of them then stall out because that was like their chances. But the combination of the odd degraded blood sample

and the chapstick for the DNA from Dr. John's car has finally made it into the awareness of the

police and they have become very suspicious of him. But they don't have any hard evidence to justify an arrest until April of 1997. More than four years since candies alleged to salt and just when it's beginning to seem hopeless for her, there's a break in the case. And it's a terrible one that comes from Dr. John's own family. His 15-year-old stepdaughter finally confides to her mother that Dr. John has been sexually assaulting her since 1994 when she was 12 years old. Oh my gosh.

She accounts how he would come into her bedroom at night, give her an injection that would incapacitate her and then rape her. Holy sh*t. It's horrific and devastating news, especially considering Hel Lisa stood by her husband in the wake of another woman's rape accusations. So she immediately goes into her husband's home office and starts looking around and she finds a box filled with condoms, needles and drugs including Versed. And suddenly the murky picture of who her husband is

now comes into sharp focus. The allegations are true. Lisa will tell her journalist quote, "I loved that man." He was my soulmate, my best friend. We were going to grow old together. I felt sick. I still blame myself. Maybe if I believed candy none of this would have happened to my daughter. That's the saddest sentence. Yeah. It's so horrible. It's so unfair. One destructive man's

actions, who's lying and psychopathic and it's always the woman who pay the price.

So Lisa goes to the police and tells them what her incredibly brave daughter told her and Dr. Schnieberger is finally arrested. And now he has to take yet another DNA test. But this

and they swab the inside of his mouth. And when each sample is tested, they all match the sample

“from candy's rape kit. No big reveal here. Just finally the justice. When candy learns about Lisa's”

daughter's allegations against John, she says quote, "I screamed. I bald. I was pretty disgusted." Because all of these years, I'm fighting to get the truth out, but also to make sure it didn't happen to anybody else. So authorities still can't figure out how Dr. John managed to full multiple DNA tests over the years during draws that were monitored by police and overseen by skilled technicians and nurses. And she even said it doesn't look right and they didn't

follow through with. Right because, you know, what could that be? Your vein doesn't look right. Yeah. It's such a crazy, like thing. Yeah. Well, so. No, I know. It takes until November 1999 for John to confess. And it happens at his trial. We're on the stand. He admits that he surgically inserted what's called a pen rose drain under the skin of his left arm. All you people who don't know, like us, it's a routine plastic medical drain that's inserted

post-opt to prevent fluid from building up near a healing incision. So he stole blood from one of his unsuspecting patients. Yeah. And then he filled the drain with it and surgically implanted it near the real veins in the crook of his arm. God, God. This is the arch. Diabolical. You just fall. Just insane. Think like, you know, I'm going to get out of this awful thing that I did. That's all my fault. I'm going to do the most

“diabolically insanely evil thing. Well, and my thing is how many other patients did he do it to?”

Totally. How many other women did he do it to? That just didn't know. And like, that he clearly, this was like, well, this is what I'm doing. So I better make a plan to get out of it. Totally. So this would be the arm, obviously. He'd offered to the medical professionals who drew

his blood, who would never think twice about why it would be one arm over the other. Also,

this is why the sample was so degraded. In 1996, it was genuinely old, stale blood that had been sitting in his arms. You just fucking put the thing in there and left it in there. Oh my God. There's my innocence, raw, but depravity. Yeah, he was going to do it again. He's like, I know they're going to come back because I'm fucking guilty. So insanely enough, despite this admission, Dr. Schneeberger maintains his innocence. In fact, he offers that maybe

“candy broke into his home, stole a used condom and used it to frame him. That's not how”

Simon works. Well, also, it's for what? What? She got totally. He defends the implanted tube of blood by claiming he was just trying to protect himself against her false allegations. You want too far. But in the end, Dr. John and his lawyers are no match for candy. She will later say on this episode of Friendsic Files quote, "I was a bulldog on the stand. I kicked his lawyers ass and he supposed to be the best lawyer in Southern Saskatchewan, best defense lawyer." I showed him whose boss.

Yeah, you did. And quote. I mean, like, these are the quotes you want to be reading in this story like this. She is so legendary. So it's November of 1999 and this trial lasts three weeks. And at the end, Dr. John Schneeberger is found guilty on multiple charges, including sexual assault, administering a stupifying drug and obstructing justice. He sentenced to six years in prison and he stripped of his medical license. Thank God. This has all taken seven long years, but candy

has finally won. Can we just tell you? That his sentence is shorter than how long it took to get

justice? Well, I know. I know. I know. And then late 2003 after serving four years of his sentence, he is granted parole in release from prison because it's just rape not long after that. It is discovered that Dr. Schneeberger, or sorry, just regular old John Schneeberger, has failed to disclose being investigated for sexual assault during his lengthy naturalization process. So his Canadian citizenship is deemed unlawfully obtained and it is revoked. He's deported back to South

Africa. Wow. And from what we know, he's still there to this day. He would be in his late 60s. In Canada, candy has to contend with the trauma of sexual assault and both the system and her

community failing her. But she never backs down. She develops a film project called Iacuse based on

her experiences and it premieres on Canadian television right around the time the John Schneeberger is released from prison in 2003. Wow. And she says she hopes that movie will quote inspire other survivors to come forward and face their accusers, regardless of their apparent standing in the community. Amazing. And that's the story of candies on masking of the rapist Dr. John Schneeberger.

Jean going into the arm that he suggested. Look at him. He's like, it's just so evil. And also just

so bizarre. It's that kind of thing where it's like it's so out of the realm of any possibility you're ever happened to happen before, where it's like, I suspect the vein in your arm. Totally. This Ned Flender's looking at their faker. I don't. He seems, you know. Yeah. Those are the ones. Totally. Keep your eye peeled. Wow. Great job. I think that's true. I feel like that's just been on the to-do list for the podcast for 10 years. I couldn't believe when I pitched it. I was like,

wait, we have it. I loved that one. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like this podcast is a little bit like

“literally just true crime TV show retail. And that's how I've always treated it. Because it's like,”

this is where I got all of this from. Right. I can remember seeing this the first time. And just

kind of like, I'm sorry. What? Well, we wouldn't be where we are without like forensic files and unsolved mysteries and cold case files. Marcus, most wanted as a fucking eight-year-old just being like, I'm going to catch that guy for sure. I feel leave it to me. Give me that phone number again, because I've got this. Can I get it one more time by the end of the show? What's the reward? Maybe you can help solve a mystery. I mean, it's a strange life. It truly is. Yeah.

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Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, well, I have one that's not at all anything like what you just said. What I'm leaving. I love on my homework is done and then you have to do your homework. Mine's easier than yours may homework. Okay, good. And it's short because it takes place a long fucking time ago in 1814. My favorite favorite. It's a financial hoax. It scandalized the London stock market and it led to an early instance of government regulation in the world of

finance. Your favorite world. I mean, I live there. It's natural to me. You vacation there. You have a vacation home. I'm all these friends and family there in the world. A finance. This is a story of the Napoleonic hoax. Sometimes known as the great stock market fraud of 1814. Hell yeah, you know, everything about this. Right, your dissertation on it. Okay. The main source of the story is a book called Napoleon is dead with an exclamation mark by Richard Dale and the rest of the sources are

in the show notes. Here we go. What? You're taking notes? I'm taking notes. I'm taking notes.

I don't think minus. That's really good. I know. I just make that into a little plus and take it home. There you go, Mom. We aren't over England. It's famous for it's cliffs. They're way cliffs of dover. Yep. They're made of white chalk that plunge into the street of dover. It's the narrowest part of the English channel between England and France. These days around over is where you can get on a ferry that will take you to call a France.

And it's between these two points that the euro star train runs through the channel tunnel. It's the channel. We love it. But this story takes place long before the channel. I just really watered us to y'all channel together. And I did it. And we did it. Good night. Thank you for listening. In 1814, it's around 1 a.m. on the morning of Monday at the very 21st. Amanda's seen wandering the seaside front street in dover. In London, the stock market will

open in nine hours, which is just about as much time as it'll take you to get to the capital from dover in a horse-drawn carriage. If you change horses frequently, I didn't know that was a thing for horses. It's what it's all about. Horse to horse to horse. That's right. I didn't realize.

“You don't want some old tired horn. No horse is like, can I high five someone?”

High five another horse and police is taking forever. This mysterious man is tall and wearing a long gray coat and what looks like a red military uniform. Pull dark. What? That's the British show about a guy. Oh, got it. It's a long gray coat. Pull dark. Okay, I'll watch it. We need to show. He bangs on the door of the ship in, but gets in patient and then starts banging on the door of the pub next door, which is called the packet boat.

Probably means something. I didn't look at that. The owners of both the establishments come to the door on the same time. I'm sure they have those like nightcaps, the sleepycaps on. Yes, sir. You there. The long, like dress, the big old, my child. Yeah, the owners of both the establishments come to the door and everyone moved inside the ship into have a conversation with this mysterious man. The man who doesn't introduce himself says,

"I have this last hour been landed on a beach from France after traveling for two nights

and I'm the bearer of dispatches that are the most important to be brought to England these

past 20 years. I must have horses and in the meantime, I would be obliged if you would bring me a pen and paper so I can inform the authorities of what has passed. The pub and owner and whom keeper are like, "Okay, what the fuck's going on? It's never happens." I'm paraphrasing. And the officer responds with, quote, "Do not pastor me with questions. You always say in these scams, they make you hurry. There's no time to think." It's the fake authority,

“a hurry, and like the importance. Like, you don't know what's going on, but this you have to”

do because it's so important. Totally. At this point, the other guests at the end have heard the ruckus and come downstairs and the mysterious stranger has introduced himself as Colonel DeBurg, and at some point he gives an initial of personalish love R, but it's unclear if he ever

gets a first name. Then he says, quote, "I am the bear of sensational and glorious news. The best

that could possibly be wish, but I cannot say more." I must ask you to arrange with great urgency and express horse and writer to carry a message to the admiral at deal, as well as a carriage to take me to London. For the present, I need pen, paper, and ink. And I would be obliged if you could also provide me some refreshment to sustain me." And quote, "Well, demanding for strange or the middle of the night, pen, paper, food." The Colonel is given pen, paper, and a bottle of cherry, so yes.

Have you read like, "Drink cherry in a real way?" People do that, right? Like, just like a little

“thimble full of cherry? Yes. I think so. I always imagine it must be good if people love it so much.”

I don't know. This nurse let us know what the cherry experience is all about.

Is it really sweet? It's like cooking wine or I mean, I think it's cooking wine. And I've always

seen it as like, people taking a little nip of it in the kitchen. Right. It seems really pithalutin and classy. I mean, I guess we'll find out. Rich murdering up, please call him. Yeah. So he writes a letter to a naval admiral posted nearby in the town of Diel, and he writes that he's been ordered to write a London with quote, "Dispatches of the happiest nature," end quote. And then he writes quote, "My anxiety will not allow me to say more for your

gratification than that the allies obtained a final victory." That bonapart was overtaken by a party of Sacken's Kossacks who immediately slayed him and divided his body between them and code. But I can't say more. I can't say much except that there's exactly D-tale. So what he's saying here is that nipoline has been killed by the Russians, obviously, which means that the decades long Napoleonic wars are over. If you remember one thing about Napoleon, which I know you remember many.

Sure, in love, French. And also didn't die. And also didn't die in the lore. Yeah, exactly.

at, "Waterloo." Thank you, which has not happened yet. The Napoleonic wars are a series of

“messy conflicts across Europe that had begun 11 years earlier. There's some scholars say that they”

are really just an extension of the hundred-year wars between the British and French. And they just fucking hate each other. They've been worn it up for so long. Yeah, next door neighbors and everything. To keep things right? No, kind of across the street. Yeah. To keep things very short, different coalitions of countries team up with Britain to fight against France. And it's a aggressive expansion under Napoleon. And no one seems to be quite able to beat Napoleon. So when

Colonel Deburg shows up in Dover, presumably having sailed over from France saying that the war is over. And Napoleon is dead. People are fucking stoked. Huge celebrations. The people at the ship in, we can imagine, a shit-ton of Sherry. Yeah, and party. Sherry's on me tonight. Exactly. It's like, "If right now, if we were, if someone said that," and then Polanar Wars of America

would finally end. Yeah, we'd all fucking celebrate. Yeah. I'd throw these in the air.

I'm gonna punch that TV right in, run into the street. So much Sherry. The Sherry would be blowing the streets. The innkeeper asks one of his staff number is to take that letter to the Ad Rollandiel, which is about eight miles away, about a two hour ride on horseback. So once the carriage is ready, the Colonel begins his ride to London. So they have someone else go tell someone else. And then this guy gets the horse to London. Along the way, he stops at several other

ends and pubs, changing horses. At least there's some animal awareness and the story. Yeah. And saying he urgently needs to write a letter about some very good news. And by the time he's gotten to one of the later ends on his route, the innkeeper asks, is it true? Like, it's already spread. And Colonel replies, quote, "He is dead." And quote, "So the innkeeper presses asking, "Who is dead?" The Colonel says Napoleon, "The innkeeper," he says, "It's definitely true."

So the Colonel gets to London around nine o'clock and hour before the stock market opens in the morning. Have you fun? We had an overnight stock market. I'm like, "I didn't get sleep over once a year." And just get like food from 7/11. And stuff like on the floor of the stock market, everyone gets a, give me another coffee. Hello, Kase. Come on. Hold on. Scary story. They just hold

“their ticket up kind of like, "I'm tired." Where we're falling asleep first? I believe it's all”

their money. Exactly. Okay. So the Colonel then asks to switch coaches, which rides, tries to do so, is inconspicuously as possible, but he is seen by multiple people being dropped off at the house of a member of Parliament, a man named Lord Thomas Cochran, a decorated formal naval Admiral known to be one of the more radical members of Parliament. So then right when the market opens,

people start trading on this good news and buying government bonds. And the first thing in the

morning, they are trading at the same price they were on Saturday, but very quickly the price begins to climb. People's speculations at the war has ended of rises to a new level later that morning when an elaborate carriage is seen carrying two men, who seem to be wearing the regalia of French royalist officers, meaning officers from the bourbon dynasty, who the British sympathize with, and who would take power if Napoleon were unceded. So they're like, "It's fucking happening,

like everything's getting lined up to." And people are like the bakers out in the street, like, "That's the bourbon." Right. You know that. They take over. Exactly. Like everyone knows. Also everything was so slow back then. Like somebody's like, "Oh my god, this thing's happening, and they have a letter, and they hand it to a guy, and the guy writes on a horse for eight days." And it goes somewhere else. And that's supposed to be like a phone call. Right. There's so much

hang time to lie and do stuff. Totally. Before things can be confirmed or disproven. Truly like just the hate of scams. Absolutely. So, and it's actually an early pumping dump scheme, like the one Jordan Belfort went to jail for as cromacled by Wolf of Wall Street. Oh yeah. Basically, his company sold penny stocks. Spread false information about the companies that people were investing in to raise the prices and then sold those penny stocks when they grew.

Before people realize what was going on, it's happened recently with several cryptocurrency pumping dump schemes as well. I know you fell for a lot of those. Listen all my money's in crypto. So, I take all your advice from Reddit the podcasting until I'm 98. You know, I was crypto investment too. Jim, home, Jim. Your dad has crypto investments? How? I don't

think my dad even, he's just like that. He always wanted to know. On his own accord? Oh yeah.

“Yeah, yeah. How are they doing? I think okay. He argues, I'm always like, I don't know, Dad,”

and he's like, "What are you talking about?" The one time I tried to like do it on my own, I just bought a bunch of weed company stock and lost everything immediately. Like, I just did no. Someone that I respected and liked his podcast, I listened to his financial podcast, I listened to his like telling you right now, this is going to be the next like,

to say who it is because like, you kind of are who Dr. Laura? Is it like, how do you know the

“Dr. Laura Slashinger? Yeah. Does she give financial advice? Yeah, that's what I don't do it by myself anymore.”

Just how you'll say things everyone. Okay. So that's not for listen. If you're getting into some sort of world of gambling on your phone. Yeah. No, no, no. Stock trading on your phone. Any of those kinds of things? It's too easy. I don't even like marijuana. I don't even smoke weed. It's not your thing. And I was like, yes, that's it. This is how I'm going to get out of podcasts. And so it appears that these pump and dump schemes have been around for as long as there have been stock

markets, which trace the roots back to the early 1600s in Amsterdam. Oh, some fucking highest buck guy was like, you know what we should do with our money. Play with it. Bed on thing. You know, it's a great way to keep the rich rich and the poor for stock market. The Dutch stock exchange was founded to allow investors to participate in joint stock companies like the Dutch East India Company, which allowed individuals to buy stock in massive maritime trade expeditions,

like many things in the finance world. It seems like there's a fine line between behavior that is expected like hyping up a product. You just bought being like, I love this blood dryer. Yeah, I love this blood dryer and behavior that is illegal, which is hyping up the product with false information with the attention to sell it off quickly. So blood rars making my hair longer. Right. And then so you all should buy it. So you can't do that literally me on TikTok every single

day where I'm just like, well, then I guess I have to get same. There's so many wonderful products that clearly if you were at the state fair in the exhibition hall, you'd be like, who would buy that? It's shit. You wouldn't bingo at a state fair. Right. For real. Yeah. I love it all. I know.

“The key to a successful pump and dump is to sell off your own position before everyone gets”

wise to your tricks. Yep. So remember that? What if you were the one who told me to buy all the marijuana stocks? I was like just weirdly whispering in your ear and you're like, I don't know how I got this idea of that. Some chick on a podcast. Oh, shit. I wasn't lying. Every time this podcast ends my finance podcast begins and I give the worst advice. I don't know what I'm talking about. I knew the dry. And here's how quickly that had to turn around. It being obvious that it wasn't true.

Is that suddenly people are like, gee, later in the day, I wonder why this hasn't been in the news yet. I don't know. Holy Ann is dead. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, shit slow, but not that slow. So they get nervous at the British Secretary of State has not made a formal announcement and by the end of the day, it becomes clear that there has been fraud. Oh, like, he got to give it a couple days. He can get the fuck out of town. That's very what I mean. Just think of all the free meals

and cherries and beers that he got along the way of delivering that news. Like he basically just

for sure. Got it on to town. Yeah. For free. And then yeah, I love it. The price of the government bonds is backwards started by the end of the day. The London stock market. What? That just like all your fucking money's gone. Yeah. I literally am like never put a dime of my money into this stock market. You can get me some bonds. Yeah. You can get me this stuff that's

“guaranteed and other than that. No, thank you. Yeah. It's too scary. That's why I don't look at it.”

And I let someone else do it for me. My cousin smart. Yes. He knows exactly. So the London stock market has its own in-house investigating team and they immediately go to work. The first thing that's that right now. That's right. It is. Oh. It's got to be what's his face. The late Alan Rickman. Okay, but then also the other one with the Comber Bottom. Benedict. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's got to be in it. He's got to be in it. Well, how about a nice Matthew McFadden from succession and pride and

prejudice. Always cast him. Yep. He can be the muscle in the back of it. The first thing that

they figure out is that the carriage that had been seen supposedly carrying French royal officers can be traced back to the rose in, which is an establishment a little outside of London. I looked it up. It looks like it's still there and still serving horses. So they're like, hey, that carriage is from you. And then they go there and the in-capers like, yeah, I rented it out to a man named Mr. Sandham, a liquor merchant who was having money problems. So the investigators

quickly track that guy down. The whole thing falls apart very fast. As well as four other men who had been involved in this site plot, those four other men immediately confessed to their part in the fraud, but they refuse to name any other names. Even though it seems like they're clearly in cohoots with whoever has profited, that is a group of people, including Lord Cochran, the man whose house the Colonel had gone to. The Colonel is actually an adventurer. Hey,

what a fucking cool career. Bring back that crime. Name Charles Random Dibergner.

Random. Random. That fucking first name. I know where to that go. That's his middle name.

What if that's been a slang word this whole time and just came back recently? Random.

difficulty. So these people who like needed money, they all got together. Yeah.

“The investigators find that Lord Cochran and two other investors had invested heavily in government”

bonds. That's the thing is you could look up who invested heavily first. It's like not

it's not anonymous. But the book is really big and heavy. It's going to take forever to get to pay it totally. So they look that up and one of these investors is Cochran's uncle, a Scottish adventurer named James Andrew Cochran, Johnston. Second adventurer? Yeah, kind of adventurers. I guess they don't have a lot of money. So they just have to go into that adventurer. The adventurer that stock market. Yeah. He's known to be something of a

swimmer. The group had also made a profit that it's confusing to lay out because so many people fucked around and found out. But in today's money, it'd be... Do you want to guess just out of the blue? How much money in today's money would be even though we don't know? Like how much money was lost? Yeah, or how much money they took. They... How much money that was. Okay, how much they made in one day from... I don't love the charm pump and dump, but we'll use it.

I don't like the term "channel." So a term pump and dump in "channel." This whole story is a

term pump. No, no. Did they make $500,000? $14 million in today's money? In today's money, yeah.

So they definitely... It was worth it, dumped. All over the channel. No, they're true everywhere. They were so stoked in that channel. Yeah. That's fucking crazy. Yeah. You'd push one of them got away with it because like, that's just such a fun, you know. None of them do. Let's see. I don't remember. I don't know. This whole thing takes only about a week to unravel. It sounds like this swift and angry reaction by both investors who had been dupped and by investigators

come as something of a surprise to Cochrane and his co-conspirators. They thought they were having a good old fun, but make it some money, but actually fucking pissed everyone off. Yeah. Because I imagine how stoked you'd be if you heard and then it turns out for a war that has gone on for year. Right. Decades. Right. And you're definitely helpful. Hey, hey, come on through that confetti

in the air. I left my husband because I thought, finally, this is over and I don't know shit. No.

At the time, there's basically no regulation of the stock market. It has only just put out its own

“internal rulebook and some people trade on rumors all the time and so rumors all the time. But I think”

that this was just beyond it was just too big to outrageous and ordinary investors were outraged because they already sense that people in power like Lord Cochrane, who was in Parliament, had access to insider information that made them more able to get rich from investing. They already knew. Yeah. The rich get richer. Did it still scam? Exactly. Members of Parliament and members of Congress here in the US are still allowed to have interests

in publicly traded companies and they raise eyebrows all the time when they make prudent investment moves around the time that they might be briefed on developments. The general public does not yet know. That doesn't seem fucking right. And all, but we don't question it. Well, there's an entire accounts on TikTok where people just follow, right, senators and governors' investments and then just basically tell people they just moved all their money from here

to here. It's crazy. It's just so fucked up. It's very, very bad and corrupt. But what Lord Cochrane in his co-conspiracy does seem to have crossed some imaginary rich person line. He goes to trial in June of 1814. He's found guilty. He's found 1,000 pounds. He's like, that's fine. I have 14. Right. 39.99. You want to guess how much that is in today's money? 1,000 pounds in 1814. I think $1,000 is not in pounds. That's going to make it worse. Sorry.

At 1,000. Yeah, to me. That's in pounds in today's money. My pounds dollars. Um, 1,000 pounds in today's money from then would be roughly $400,000. $700,000. Wait. Yeah, $7,700,000. I just read. $7,000,000. What do I say? $7,000? Thank you. I was just like, it could be me. I don't know. I don't know. I'm having a stroke. $7,700 is a lot of money. Totally. That's crazy.

“So that's how much he's buying. He's ordered to stand in the pillory in front of the stock market.”

Bear saying. Do you know what the pillory is? Yeah. I didn't know. We can get your thing there. Yeah. People can come up and spank your butt. Oh, they can't do anything about it. Um, yeah. It's things you put your head and arms into that you sometimes see as a photo op at like amusement parks or little towns that are related dungeons. Yeah. Lord Cochrane's uncle Andrew flees the country like a fucking smart person after this verdict. He ultimately dies in France because the Napoleonic Wars

really do end about a year after all of this happens. Oh, Lord Cochrane protests his innocence

will agree that based solely on the evidence presented at his trial, which spent a lot of time on whether the fake Colonel had really been wearing red because like that's come. I'm inferring that it's a costume to say something's been happening, not just to say it's been happening. He should not have been convicted regardless based on the evidence, which is mostly circumstantial. Most people believe that he probably did participate. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is a great like

kind of overarching excuse to be like, I was set up totally. We all were. Yeah, we all were.

And yet that is the story of the Napoleonic Hokes. Amazing. Yeah. A fun realm to go into.

Totally. You know what it makes me think of is you like the guy from British Bake Off.

“The eyeliner. I think I like him. I don't know. Don't you like weirdos?”

Isn't that your thing? You. It is. Actually. No feeling from the mighty bush. Oh, yeah, of course. He has a show called Dick Turpin and they're basically highwaymen from this era. No way. So the second you start talking, I was just watching Dick Turpin's characters as they was people were doing stuff. And I was just like, you should try to watch that show. I'm gonna. He's very goofy funny. Okay. And he does. He likes to do like funny puns and

people who are like their highwaymen and robbing people. Yeah. Like that hurt my feeling. Hey, what was that one with the castle? And it was the plague and that. Oh, the de Cameron. After that, we start that all the time. It was just those couple episodes. We didn't get. It was no recurring show. Come back. It's gonna come back. So we should put our money on it. Let's invest in what's you. You know we could go to Vegas and start betting on things that just

“happen. That's what a bunch of people are doing these days. Now you can go in like bed on baseball”

things, but it's like what shorts the fucking person's wearing in the dugout. Yeah, I'm talking about. Let's get in there. They're just starting to slap and down 50s. Okay. Come on. Let's do another batch of honking hoorays. Brought to you by Hyundai. Thanks.

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my debt this month. Ooh, didn't say how she did it. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. None of our business. No shame in a paycheck. God, that's a lot of money. Yeah. Good job. Yeah, we both been in debt. We know how you feel. I mean, I, I was debt. It was my whole life. Congratulations, Amanda. Be like Amanda and chip it away. chip it away. Right. Don't pay the minimum because I'm you're just stuck with it forever. Okay. This one's from Hello Ashley over on Instagram and it says,

I'm driving solo across country with my dogs to start a job in a town where I know nobody. It's so scary. That's someone who needs a serious hooray. Yeah. Because it's super brave. Yeah. It's a brand new cool fund star. Yeah. But also you'll still be there. So you get to have your journey and your dogs are going to be there. And your dogs will be there and then you can meet people at the dog parts. Right. Remember how weird dog people are? Uh, okay. This one is from

Erica CVA on Instagram. I just survived a week long vacation with my family. That's it. That's

“it. That is all right. It sounds like, and that's not a vacation. Yeah. That's not. When you have to”

survive it, it's not a vacation. Well, I mean, it depends on the kind of family you have where it's like, if you love to shout as a past time and then you get all your family together. Well, then everybody's having a good time. It's right. Everyone's shouting. Everyone gets to do their thing. I'll go on your family vacation. Yeah. It's a lot of yelling. Okay. This is from full name, Catherine Rudden. Um, and this is actually somebody who responded to our newsletter,

God bless them. Walking down the hill to the local convenience store for a soda refill, I randomly found two dollars on the sidewalk and used it for the soda and a lot of ticket. And then it says, I didn't win, but it was fun and to space. Girl Mac is that you've been spending anything. That's right. You have the afternoon by you some fun. Yeah. Two dollars on the ground. It's in this economy. When's the last time that's happened? When's the last time you've found

cash anywhere? Never. Even in your own house. Good job, Catherine. We're very proud of you.

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math so much math, and I am a school librarian, and not a math teacher for a reason.

That's it. Well, Mike's Tika yelling at us about the fact that they decided to start quilting.

“And has nothing to do with that? Have you ever been gifted a quilt?”

Yes. I had ants, my great ants, ant, man, and real crafty. So, there was quilts. There was crocheted blankets, crocheted slippers that kind of drive your feet crazy. Yeah, just crocheted everything. Crochet everything. I love that. I love that. I don't know a state sale and I find something crocheted

because like some person put a lot of effort in that's right. Watch hours and hours of the

price is right and made that thing for you for you. Like, you don't put it in the landfill? No. Put it over your potting no matter how much DNA is on it from Tika and her friends. Well,

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