Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 93: Live at The Grove in Anaheim

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This is a show where we recap our early episodes with case updates, hot take revisions and all the unlock memories we can master. Today we're rewinding to episode 93 which we named live at the grove in Anaheim for obvious reasons. This episode came out on November 2nd, 2017. Let's listen to the intro of episode 93.

[Music] [Music] Yeah, that's right. [Applause] That was scary.

We should have done it in the dark.

“We should do the whole thing in the dark.”

What's up? [Applause] That was scary. It was Friday to the 13th still and makes sense. I know.

It's not. It's just Saturday to the 14th. No big deal. Everything's super chill. How's it going, you guys?

[Applause] That's true. That's true. That's true for real. We're glad to see all your faces in that you're safe and sane.

[Laughter] In this crazy world. In the doctor. We could be talking about what you say? The Dodgers.

I don't know. We're right by a baseball thing. You guys. Am I right about the Dodgers or am I right? That was pandering.

You're welcome.

“You looked at what is somebody's like you have to back it up somehow?”

Yeah. No, they've gone nine for 17 this year. I don't know what that means. We were just standing in the back in the green rim and there's a big screen TV with the game on

and we were both staring at it trying to figure out if the game was over yet. I was trying to sell George's that everything we were watching were automatic replays. I was like, this is replay.

And this is also replay as well. I think it's still happening. You're just like, it looks a lot. It looks really live to me. I'm like, that's how they do it.

It's these replays. They just use replays all the time. And then Vince was yelling at the TV. Telling it, tellin' it what? Sports.

We fucking love sports. Don't we murdery? No. Yeah. There's a tiny baby.

What's the tiny baby with headphones? Check those headphones. No, baby. Let's teach them some swear words. What's you doing?

Get ready for the world. Hey, baby. Hi.

No, can't see this far yet.

What if we did this for like, we said this for nine full minutes? No, don't care. Doesn't give us single shit. Fair enough.

We got the rest of you. Guys, Georgia's kind of a local girl. I hope you know that. I forgot about that. Now I'm nervous.

Someone over there. They're liars. There is a wife of someone that I used to go to raves with here supposedly. So that's kind of cool. I mean, is it though?

No. Remember those pants? Come on, you guys. We don't have to pretend it's cool. Just the past.

We saw the apartment Georgia grew up in. We dressed. She was gonna knock open door. I had to pee. Hi.

What's up? How's your day going?

Can we look through your house?

“Can I cry and walk through your house at the same time?”

I work through some serious issues in your living room. Do you have time? My therapist want me to salade out in a fetal position in the place I grew up in. And I'll be better. So do you mind if I come in?

Is the carpet still shed carpet from the 70s even those 20 years later? Yeah, oh fuck. What color? Brown. Yeah.

Oh my god. I'm like all the rest of the city. Dude, right? Oh my god. Just fucking city.

I've ever seen it in my life. No wonder I'm like fucking crazy and like got everything pierced and tattooed. I ran to LA immediately. Like they. Not big.

I can't. Yeah. That's my taste. That's my taste. I have to say there's something very soothing about it though.

You're just like, oh, we're at that same apartment complex. No, it's a 711. No? No, sorry. It's a grammar school.

I see. Even my high school was fucking damn. Stucco. Yeah. Stucco.

It's really nice. No. This is not insulting to you at all. I don't mean I am. We're talking specific.

Yeah, I am. Show us fuck. You got that big Disneyland thing. Just named shit that's around the city. You have a really good Burger King.

It's fast. They're friendly. It's delicious. Somehow cheaper than the other Burger King. There's a good Burger King by the freeway.

And then there's that gross Burger King. That's out by that feel. Yeah. Don't go there. Yeah.

We are saying it at a hotel close by.

“And it's one of those hotels where I think the families go to Disneyland for like a week.”

They have to stay the place I was a kitchen, but it's like a tiny hotel room. And they all fucking are so sick of each other and hate each other. It was. It's like the family fight in over there. Yeah.

It's just. I go. Is that lady going out into the hallway to fight with her child? Because it was like a Doppler effect of like what? There's one lady that was just standing.

They're going. Lucy. Lucy. But anger. Lucy.

Yeah. She did it like 12 times. We were sitting in the room like working on our stories and then we would just start laughing because it was like in the other room. Right at that.

It's pretty great. You don't deserve Disneyland. And then it just makes you think of all those family vacations. And then the reality of him is everyone fucking hate at each other. They hate each other.

Yeah.

Well, I'll tell you when I my first trip to Disneyland age five, fifth birthday.

Thank you. That's not why we went. It's just, it was just a coincidence. They actually played it down. Families are the worst.

I love it. Because it was also Mother's Day weekend. So it's our family. And the Missoni family. And then my grandma Grace.

And one of the first rides we went on was Pirates of the Caribbean. And I can remember this. Like it was yesterday. I was sitting in front of my dad. This second we went through the restaurant Lagoon where everything is chill.

And you go down that very small hill to go into the rest of the very chill ride. There's something that I didn't like how dark it was. There's a skeleton talking to you about that man. It's not for five year olds on their birthday. No.

And so I just started screaming. Of course. I wouldn't stop screaming.

“And my dad, I remember my dad being in my ear.”

He got pointing. There's like a little girl that was sitting. I can't next to us in the boat or a head.

But he just kept pointing at her going. She's not screaming. Look at her. She's not screaming at all. So when we got out of Pirates of the Caribbean.

We got into the line for the jungle cruise. But I thought my parents were taking me back on to Pirates of the Caribbean. So I got the fuck out of there. And I bailed. And I was lost for three hours in Disneyland.

Yeah. Were they like literally go? Yeah. I walked around by myself until I found a guy dressed like an old fashioned cop. And then I said my family is lost.

And they brought me to a tiny house that was child size. And that's when I knew things were bad things were about to start happening. Because like, oh no. Here's this is the end of the thing where no adults come into play.

Here's what you live forever.

You live here now. Oh my god. I'm sorry.

“You have to eat this whole gingerbread house for the rest of your life.”

I just remember my dad coming in the door of the lost child's house. Like this. A little bird. Like a true monster. So pissed.

And apparently while I was gone, my grandmother, all my grandmother would say to my mother is, "I know you'd lose her." Ouch. Ouch. Fun healthy times at Disneyland.

When I was a kid, we would every Christmas all the Jews and all the Muslims would go to Disneyland because there was nobody there. Some of you were all like, we're all friends. We were all high-fiving each other. We became together on Christmas.

That's actually Walt Disney's dream. Yeah. He was very, he was very low-key about how much he wanted Jews and Muslims to come together. It was his real fantasy. Oh, like, fuck Christmas.

Yeah. Yeah. And then Chinese food together, right? Yeah. Yeah.

It was pretty fun. And then the last, I've tried to take events twice in Disneyland.

He's never been because he's from, you know.

And we've walked in, walked, and you keep accidentally going on like a day. You know, like a, like a someone's day or something day. And then it's like so crowded that I'd have to have a panic attack. And so then we just go and get drunk at the Tiki bar. Yes.

And it's amazing. Yes. That's what those bars are for. They're seats go up and down. What's happening?

It's so fun. That's pretty great. I'm just getting drunk. It's Disneyland. [laughter]

You mean a minute? I mean, can I just go back real quick to 1997? It's so good at it. I'm just saying as a blackout drunk, you wouldn't have known until I fell down onto your shoes that I was a blackout fan.

Because I just fucking, I didn't slurred.

“I didn't try to tell you a fucking secret the whole time.”

I handled my shit. You know what I mean? I made it. I made it work for everybody. It was like, I cared about others also being drunk.

You described me slurred. And it might tell secrets to me. It's all I know. Yeah. I didn't talk too much.

And then you're like, I'm slurred. I'm not that drunk. Shh. Shh. Stop it.

Stop it. Give me air. Also, when you're in drunk time, take so much fucking longer, that's the problem most probably have a thing.

Sover is just waiting for drunk people to get around to it. Or it's just like, let's pick up the pace. We don't have forever. Tell your secret now. George, we have two rugs in an eye.

Oh my God. We each have our own blood. Shit. Don't touch mine. Karen's blood.

Get off. Stop it.

“My grandma made this one in Karen's grandma made that one.”

And they come with us on tour. That's pretty special. You guys. There's a sesame seed on yours. Oh, I'll get it.

Oh my God. What was the thing you walked into the bathroom and dropped food on the bathroom floor?

And then George goes, five second rules.

It drops on the bathroom floor. You have to eat it. What if I was, and then I did it? Yeah, that's the new rule. No, it was.

So someone who do someone brought us donuts. Oh, zombie donuts. Zombie donuts. Thank you. Thank you for, does that you?

Thank you. Oh, no. Real zombie? You guys get out of here at your own pace. It's not a rush because they're very slow.

That was amazing. Thank you. Two and a half donuts. And then there was the one people keep bringing us donuts. Oh, no.

I just, I'm going to turn into fucking violet borrigard pretty soon. It's not good. Someone yesterday at the San Diego show brought us this gorgeous coffin box. It was so beautiful. And it was gorgeous.

It was, I know, it's weird.

Peanut butter balls with the rice crispies inside of the classic grandma Christmas dessert

that you eat 70 of and then you're like, what happened to me? And each one had a little, like, a little, um, a plastic hatchet on it. Like a dude, it was so cute. Like a dude, a little bit. I was like, is this hatchet killing the brown head of the peanut butter?

But like, what is this violence? And George was like, it's just a hatchet. Yeah.

“You're over thinking that you have to need a reason to put a hatchet on a peanut butter ball.”

I feel like at this point in this podcast, how are you surprised that there's a hatchet on it? Yeah, right. Like what's the storyline of this hatchet? This is so good. Yeah.

And then we're going to eat them all in the hotel for sure. Sure. Well, they were in my bag. So I was like being very, you know, people bring us lovely, lovely presence. And then we tried to divide them up just so we can carry,

everyone has to carry their own shit. And I was like, oh, the confidence in my bag. That looks like I'm going to be eating 50 peanut butter balls tonight. Oh, well, I guess that's fate. And then as we're standing to walk out of the theater,

the bag just rips. I wasn't even moving. It was like, God, himself came down. It was like, don't do that. Come on.

We couldn't save them. We couldn't. We tried. We got a picture of it. That's all that matters.

You're laughing. Oh, my God. No. That was a fart. You're laughing.

You're laughing.

He loves eating butter balls.

Get up here. Is he laughing? That means we're pretty.

“When babies laugh, they think you're pretty.”

I'm serious. You're pretty. You don't know that. You know that rule? I'm so sad.

Why am I so desperate? Oh, shit. Peanut butter. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

So we have actual information. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You like.

That's the information. We might need to move that up to the top. No. I like when I say something terrible. And then we introduce it.

That's right. You'll get it, by the way. Oh, yes. Thank you.

This is Georgia Hartstork, by the way.

Thank you. Local girl extraordinaire. Thank you. What did you call me extraordinaire? Local girl extraordinaire.

Local girl extraordinaire. Oh, thank you. Yes. I called you dirty sled extraordinaire. Oh, my god.

Thank you. Look at the thing. Don't use that word. Don't use that word. There's got to be something.

I know something. What? His name is Steven. Oh, that's right. That's right.

Thank you. Look at him. Oh, Timmy. Local boy. Local boy.

Love you very much. Where are you from? I'm from Anaheim. You're my god. You're my god.

You're my god. You're my god. That's what we're here. Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

I'm so excited. I'm here. Oh, my god. Oh, my god. Steven's crying in the back row.

This is my story. I have to ask.

“Has anyone got a high school duet dreads with Steven?”

No. No. Let's do your job. The audience questions. They can't answer.

You're right. You're right. I went for two years and then I moved away. Say hi to all your friends. You know who is here.

Steven's dad. Oh, my god. I'm here. Hi. Are you proud of your son?

Are you proud of your son? Are you happy? No, he doesn't bite me. What are you doing? All right.

Go away. Go away. That guy. That guy. What a guy.

He makes it happen. What? I can't hear you. Really? He makes it happen.

This is a professional show. It's from the other person. Keep going. What? What?

Sorry. What was your job? I want to laugh too. Listen. These shoes.

I can wear them for an hour and 20 minutes. We better get the show. Yeah, how do you do? Just a quick walk. Yeah.

Oh, my. It's weird every time because I'm so uncomfortable doing it. Why don't you go, Karen? Oh. Thank you.

Why? Why? I don't like high heels. Look at those sleeves. Thank you.

Thanks so much. Oh, that side really liked my high heels. It's kind of upsetting. Let's play the game of where. How high do our spanks go tonight?

Oh, okay.

They should make spanks that color coordinate with your skin tone.

And hair color. And you just fuck and pull that thing all the way up. Just get in like a sleeping bag. But really tight. And just be like, how do you like me now?

They got fake eyelashes on them. So you look like a person. Then you just start stabbing strangers. Yeah. Yeah.

“That's the only thing people would use that for.”

Yeah. I think we just got into the topic of the podcast, which is murder. That's right. That's a little too close. Are we there?

Are you saying you want to sit down? Sure. Let's do it. Oh. Why like it in the view.

Oh. That's a nice wide seat. Oh. Thank God. With some spinning action on the chair.

Hey. Hello.

It's going to be distracting.

Oh. Just all the way around. Bye. Bye. That's good action.

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I highly recommend hiring a secret stripper. Okay. Why were we talking about that? Back to the birthday. Back to the birthday.

Jesus. Okay. Cause we're monsters. Yeah. I will take any fucking random noun and be like,

"Oh wait, can I tell you one thing?" Okay. So they bring Daniel into the station to question him. And they show him the picture of Wesley in front of the ATM machine and he goes pale. And so he goes, "All right, I'll tell you everything."

So he says that he and Sam had this idea that they were going to take the money out of his checking account or his account, which could have been savings. Out of his bank account bank.

“They were going to take all that 62 grand I believe it was out of the account.”

And then Sam was going to claim fraud. And then, "Oh, it was the baby." I get it. We're not married to baby. Then they were going to claim fraud.

And then the bank would have to return the money. So he's saying that the dude who's supposedly on the run is in on it. Yes, exactly.

That basically they had this plan together.

Right. That they were going to steal this money and ultimately make like $120,000. But then he said that Sam called him then I did the 20 second and said, "I did something bad." And then told him that he murdered Julie.

Jesus. And so the police were like, "Okay, they're trying to put it together and see if it syncs up with the evidence that they have." And at one point they ask Daniel for DNA. And he kind of like his face changes a little bit.

And he's like, "Well, I was in the apartment." And then they're like, "Oh, dude, tell." And he says, "Yes, I saw the goddamn body. Is that what you want to hear?" Community theater.

Uh-huh. I don't think in the real world ever anyone has ever asked someone a question.

“I told somebody something in yield. Is that what you want to hear?”

Like, you just are saying it. You don't give a shit if they want to hear it or not. If you're trying to tell them. That has like a cagny accent to it. Yeah, that's a c-hey. Yeah.

Yeah. It's fakey fakers. Yeah. Is that, okay. Yes, I saw the goddamn body.

Is that what you want to hear? Copper's? Lime. No, no. Like, got it.

Lime. Then he says, "I saw the two gunshots to the head."

Donuts. [ Laughter ] You're under arrest.

“Because there's no way anybody in the world.”

They're experienced police who were on the scene. I didn't know it was two gunshots until the autopsy came back. So they're like, "He was there." He knows what happened. So when they tell him that he just blurt's out,

I'm crazy. And I did it. I killed them both.

So here's what the truth of all of it was.

And this is just, I mean. So he's broke, of course. He hasn't paid his rent in months. And he didn't have a job of any kind, except for taking roles in community theater.

That's not a job. It's not an officer. It's a passion. Sure. It's definitely an art form for some.

But that don't pay. So he basically was going further and further into debt. And they said he was from it like a relatively well-to-do family. So it could have been that thing. We're like, "He's so spoiled."

He's like, "It'll work out." He kept getting, like, "It'll work out." So he was like, "I'm getting it." That's based on my own experience.

“But you're just kind of like, "Something will come and catch me on the wet."”

But the other thing was, he had proposed to his girlfriend. So if they had a wedding and a honeymoon coming out, he had zero dollars.

And at some point, he found out from Sam that Sam had 62 grand.

And then he was like, "Well, I want that money." And so he fucking makes this plan where he lures Sam his light, Daniel Waznex light opera company had played. I respect it. I do.

There's opera singers are the most talented people on the planet. Light opera? Not as good. Yeah, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

They had done a show in the Los Alamedos Joint Forces training base. Right? Such a good light opera there, right? And he asked Sam if he would come and help him move some boxes that were up in the attic.

They go up into the attic. That's right. They go up into the attic. He leans down and Daniel shoots Sam in the back. And then Daniel shot him again and killed him.

Our words later at the hunger artist's theater company. He played the lead in the musical nine. What the fuck? Yeah. He went from that to the lead.

Just right on stage. He took all that fucking being associated with that. And he brought it to the people. Oh my god. How was later?

Well, fuck. And he was in that play with his fiance. Wow. Oh, Stephen, sorry. We have pictures of this.

Do you have pictures of that? Yes. That's them in that play. What a dish. What? I don't know nine that well.

Is that the one with that song? Nine? [ Laughter ] You're asking someone who can't sing or sit through a musical. But what's the answer?

Yes. Okay. What's his -- Okay, go on. Sorry.

What? Nothing. His girlfriend was his fiance and on it. What?

That's why I said never mind.

That's what everybody wants to know. You're telling the story. Yeah, I get it. It's cool. It's fun to jump ahead.

[ Laughter ] But here, because this is the most horrible part, he -- after he was in that play, then he went back the next day to the attic where he had left the body

and dismembered it. And then left Sam's body parts in Long Beach Park. Oh, yeah. So --

Thank you. Then shortly after midnight, the next night, he texts Julie Kivooishi with Sam Harris' phone and says, "I'm having problems with my family.

I need to see you now." Please come over now. He lures Julie to Sam's apartment, murders her there, and stages it to look like Sam snapped

and murdered her and then ran. And then got this boy to start taking money out of the bank account like $800 at a time. What the fuck?

What a fucking bad plan. All around, obviously. But in sane. So after his interrogation, he asked if he can use the phone

to call his fiance. Okay. And the thing that I learned in this -- I believe it was -- It was an ID channel show.

“I think it was called the perfect crime.”

And they taught me that when you make a phone called not to your lawyer, but to anybody else in the police station, they can record it.

Like, I've never been arrested.

I would expect that to be a thing. Well, poor Daniel didn't know.

“So he was like, hey, you can't tell Tim.”

You can't -- that backpack Tim has. You can't give it to the police. And she's like, I'm going to give it to the police. And he's like, well, if you do, I'm doomed.

And then she did. And inside the backpack was the murder weapon and Sam Harris bloody clothes. Wow.

He's trial lasted five days. Yeah. He was convicted by jury in December of first remurter for killing both Sam Harris and Julie Kibyishi.

And he was given the death penalty. And he is now in Sam quit. Wow. [ Applause ] The fucking death penalty.

Yeah. [ Applause ] I mean, that was rough. It's awful. Yeah.

Let's think about it for a minute. You can know. [ Applause ] And we're back, Karen. Do you have any updates?

There are a couple updates. In 2021, it was reported Daniel Wazniak was moved from San Quentin to a lower security California prison because he was in a pilot program

“for death row inmates, including rehabilitation”

and restitution-minded work programs. As you can imagine, victim Sam Harris was father Steve was furious. When he heard this saying quote, "It was a kick in the gut.

It would have been nice for them to at least notify me." And then he said, "Here's the rest of the quote, but it's pretty awful, but it's so real for like a victims family member." He ends that quote by saying,

"If I could, I would kill him myself, but that isn't going to happen, so I want the harshest possible penalty." And quote. Okay.

It's so hard that I don't even think about it too much because it'll drive me crazy when, you know. Yeah, because a lot of times it feels like, you know, there's the individual cases, right? There's people who are like,

"I was in a bank robbery, and I accidentally killed this security guard and I didn't want to, but I shouldn't have been there, blah." There's all these different types of murder,

but that kind of like, a first-degree, someone was walking. Yeah. And then it really feels like that should be often another area

within another kind of like, is there rehabilitation possible?

And sometimes the answer is yes.

“It's just the constant thing I think we talk about,”

where it's like the benefit of the doubt is always being given to these usually men who have just committed atrocities. Mm-hmm. And meanwhile, the victim's family

isn't even getting a phone call. Fucking insane. Yeah. Also, Rachel Buffett, who was convicted as an accessory

after the fact, to this murder in late 2018, that was six years after she was initially charged. She then served a short sentence and was released in 2019,

although she continues to maintain her innocence. She claims that she was fooled by Wozniak, and that's why she was involved. Mm-hmm. Interesting.

Yeah. All right, let's get into a topic that's been just one of my favorite topics since I was a child, and I got to talk about it on stage

for this five cast. I was chomping at the bit to tell you about this. I was so excited. And it really worked out great. Here's George a story about Disneyland deaths.

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You know what? Just let me get that right off of it. What if you just start reading your own poetry?

You're like, "Look, here's the thing

that I've wanted to get to first is that I'm pretty sure there wasn't paper in the printer when they print to this page, because I'm missing a paper of instance. Is what?

You're missing a paper of paper. Okay. See, then, can you get a page number three "Stat" in the meantime? We just got a very official wave.

Yeah. Ooh, the backstage is all a buzz right now. Someone's getting fired. [laughter] It's gonna be you.

We're gonna have a staff meeting at the end of the show. Pacing back and forth. Yeah. But I can start. Well, you know what?

“Really quick, can I ask you a couple questions about Annaheim?”

No. I mean, Irvine? No. Okay. Should we just say silence?

No, I can start. Okay. So, you know, however, we're all in a Jew crime, but we all have these weird, like, sidebar things that we're into that have the same thing to do with true crime,

but like, our adjacent, like, you and I are first,

like, friend conversation was about car accident. Yeah. And I was like, "Tell me everything because I'm fascinated by horrible things happening in case they happened to me.

I'll be ready." Yeah. So, one of those things for me is this. And so, I found out we were in Annheim. I was like, "Oh, good.

I can finally share this weird passion." Okay. With everyone. No passion. Fascination.

Because when I worked at it, I just used to read this all the time. And when Snopes came along, I was like, "Thank God." Because this is the death that have happened at Disneyland. Yeah. Really?

Yes. So scared. Yes. Yes. Fucking tear those walls down.

“Tell us everything those mother-fuckers are doing.”

Oh. We want to know. I can't get pulled off stage. Why am I making it many? I didn't see much.

My sister coming for us. Under that.

Yeah, I was really, as I came under, I was like, "Wait a second.

What if they all have a good childhood memories of Disneyland?" And they're mad at me. Look who's here, everybody. Yeah. That's been, say, "Hide events."

That's him. Do you know what he just said to me? What something dirty? No. He said, "You got to check that shit."

[laughing] Like that stage? Like, is my fault. Sorry. He's keeping you real.

He's keeping your feet on the ground. I'm busy with a podcast. Oh, and-- Never mind. I'm just not gonna--

Let's be friends. Let's all be friends. Let's just do the first pages. You know what? It's not exactly that.

We already have a classy podcast. You know what's hilarious? This is our actual job. Oh, my God. It's how we're paid for a living.

Can you do it? It's very-- We appreciate it. Thank you. This is about as thorough as we need to be on the podcast.

It's your fault. Yes, this is our job. You're enabling us. [laughing] All right.

And thank you for that. I'm so excited because this is like-- I'm fucking love this shit. And I'm accompanying it with some vintage-- Disney Land photos, which is my other--

Nice! And after that, we all get on a bus to Disney Land! [laughing] They're corn dogs, you guys. Okay.

So, you know. So, nine guests have been killed on Disney Land Attractions since the park opened and parked open in 1955. All the deaths except for two were the results of guests who apparently ignored safety instructions.

And/or defeated Rides Safety McKinnon. Like, it's like, they defeated them. Like, they were superheroes and they're like, "Oh, you know, like-- Maybe get better fucking safety McKinnon." I mean, that sounds like some Disney lawyer bullshit right there.

It sounds like-- Apparently, this child defeated the safety McKinnon. It is a very strong upper body and a will to die. [laughing] Let me be talking about.

That's exactly it. It's called-- what do they call it? Spin? Sure. All right.

I mean, the dog. You know? You know? Um, okay. So, here's the first one.

May, 1964, Mark Mapples.

[laughing] Wait. [laughing] He's killed. Told you.

“When we-- he tried to stand up on the Matterhorn Bots list.”

[laughing] Don't do that. See, this is why 15-year-olds shouldn't be allowed out of the house. [laughing]

'Cause they fucking do shit. And it's boys, especially. And it's really stupid. I mean, I love him. You should run for Congress.

[laughing] I'm sorry. I don't want to-- okay. It sucks. Mapples and buckle the seatbelt.

And attempt to stand up as the Bob said, near the peak of the mountain. You know, he was like the Joker of the class, probably. What year was it? 1964. Oh, yeah.

They just didn't get how bad it was, probably. I mean, nothing had happened yet. So they're like, I can-- I'm free. It's just me, Lance. Yeah.

Um, he lost his balance because probably, 'cause he was standing up on the Bob's. On a fucking roller coaster. [laughing] Throwing from the sled to the track below,

fractured his skull and ribs, caused internal injuries. He died three days later. Oh. So we're off to the races.

They're all gonna die, you guys. Just say no. [laughing] Yeah.

“And now we're gonna be like, "Night, night."”

It's not gonna be nice. Sleeping beauty has nothing to do with this story. I went like this, as if I didn't have the rest of the page tree. [laughing] Sand went down with that.

I'm just thrown by Vince's shaming me. [laughing] Oh, he'll hear about it later. How do I know? I was just going to bring off and throw him in that.

Yes. No. And that's a show. [laughing] Okay.

June, 1966, Thomas Guy Cleveland, a 19-year-old Northridge resident. He's killed when he's attempt-- he's attempt-- Okay, so this dude attempts to sneak in to Disneyland along the Monorail track.

Oh, no. I know. It was Grad Knight. Oh, the worst. Yeah.

I still think about Grad Knight and it hurts my feet. [laughing] I hated Grad Knight so much, and I hated everyone in that part. [laughing]

Yeah. I was so mad that I had to stay there and stay awake. Is it a lock-in kind of thing? It's a fucking like you just-- They act like you want to stay awake all night.

[laughing] It's that dumb-- Oh, God, I'm so mad. [laughing] This is really triggering for Karen.

I forgot to be respectful. I've had an idea of it. Post-traumatic Grad Knight. It's like anything. We're like the first three hours.

You're like, oh, my God.

This is going to be amazing.

And then the second, the fourth hour hits. You're like, let's stop this now. It sucks. It's not working out. Like, everyone thought they were going to fall in love.

No one's falling in love. We all hated each other. Let's go home now. And then someone climbs over the monorail track. And actually, when I was like in a senior in high school,

everyone had the Disneyland pass. You know, it was like $20 back then. It was a long time ago. Really? How old were you?

18? Oh. That's 17. So people would--you do the thing where you get a stamp. And then when you get into the park, you come back out and you lick the stamp

and put it on someone else's on the back of someone else's hand. You're stuck in back then, right? And then some kids would just fucking scale the fence. Because this is before Disneyland was like, no, it was still like that. Okay, anyways.

All right. Grad night. 16 foot high, outer fence, and climbed onto the monorail track. And telling me to jump or climb down once inside the park, which is like, it's like a monorail.

It's like--yeah. It's a monorail. It's up high. Yeah.

“So that's all you need to know about a monorail.”

Yeah. That's what I meant. Yeah. Yeah. He ignored the security guard's shouting warnings of approaching monorail

train failed to leave clear of the track.

He finally climbed down onto a fiberglass canopy beneath the track,

but the clearance wasn't enough. The oncoming train struck and killed. Oh, that's so horrible. You guys were excited a minute ago. Let's let them process.

They made the process. Yeah. Okay. I've been reading this since I was 26. So since the internet started and I was like, Disney taps

was the first thing I ever. Disney deaths. Wait, can I--can I do an addendum to that story? I'm always-- My favorite story of somebody bumming on a Disneyland is my sister's friend,

Christine Thomascini, was a Disneyland with her family. And they were all standing kind of at something that near a monorail track. Sure. Or no, sorry.

Those--the ones that are the open thing-- People move her. Where you're kind of like looking down. People move her. So they were kind of near a people over.

And she was just kind of looking around at the crowd. And there was a girl that had really big curly hair. That she kind of like noticed like, "Well, that girl's hair is really big."

And then all of a sudden in one second, the girl's hair went flat.

And she was like, "What?" And she couldn't--and then she realized someone from the people over barfed onto that girl's head. [audience laughing] Just the idea of a hair--

like a hair product commercial over hair. Straighten her like, "Go from frizzy to pub." But it's like barfed. And I think she said--

But I feel like she said then the girl barfed.

Which would make perfect sense, right? That's never happened. No, I would barfed from someone barfed on me. Yeah. It's your duty.

[audience laughing] It was a make it interesting for everyone around you. Right? It's called embellishment. Try it.

I'll ask Christine. Okay. Would you? Yes. Oh, thanks to her now.

August 1967, Ricky Lee Yama. He's a 17-year-old hot thorn resident. Was killed when he disregarded safety instructions. And exited his people mover. Car as the ride was passing through a tunnel.

And like these were-- Oh, are we putting foot-- Okay, here's the people mover. Like I see a lot of shit. Oh, yeah.

Great. Isn't it cute?

Look at how you can just step over the thing

and get the fuck up of it. So do you think he was thinking, like, "I'm going to see what's in that cave?"

“No, I think he was just goofing around with his friends”

and he was going to go to his friend's car in the back. Oh, yeah. I kind of-- you know. Go think around like 17 and 15-year-old's too. Yeah.

He slipped as he was jumping from car to car. Crushed to death, beneath the wheels of the oncoming car. I know. Okay. June 1973, Bogdan Deloria.

Yep. Yeah. And 18-year-old was a resident. Drown while trying to swim across the rivers of America. Yeah.

You know, the-- I think it's Tom Swyers Island now. That's what I say. Yeah. I haven't been there in a while, so it could be like-- It could be like a modern day thing.

Yeah. It's-- it's just a del Taco now. Oh, we filled up those rivers. Ground beef. You're going to love it.

Okay, so it's the new thing. Okay, so it's an integration. Okay. Well, anyways, he drowned. See?

This show. Right, when you start having fun. Well, we were supposed to warn the newbies, but you've been warned clearly. Yeah. For the past 45 minutes.

Yeah. They know. They know. They're failing it. So he and his 10-year-old brother managed to stay on Tom Swyers Island past its desk

closing time by climbing a fence, separating the island from the settlers' cabin. They like, "Head." Like, "We're going to stay late." You know what I mean? They were going to spend that night, didn't you?

Yeah. And, you know, like, how you want to do it the zoo all the time? Me? Me? Oh, my God.

I want to stay at the zoo house closing time so bad. Because I bet there's so much fun at night. Well, the nocturnal animals would be. But I think everyone else is asleep, aren't they? I know.

It's a cute though. Okay. Do-do-do.

“I would like, remember that book where there's like the teens that they're like,”

homeless teens that hide in the mall. And then they come out at night. I think it's the thing that's called, what's it called? Well, nope, it was going to be real funny. It wasn't?

Yeah. How? Like, it's those zombie movie. Yeah. Don't even know!

Thank you. Well, it was even not even great if I fucking knew things. Say it more. Say more things. [laughter]

100% sober by the way. I want to say it more. Say more things. Say more things out of your mouth. No, I'm not sure.

I think I was done. Okay. No, I mean, it's just a child's book. I won't be able to remember the name of it. Who gives a shit?

I've already told 95 stories. Okay. [laughter] They decided, okay, then they were like, let's not do this. It's a stupid idea.

Let's swim back. That's a better idea. So, because the younger brother didn't know how to swim, I know. Bogdan tried to carry him across as he swam. He and Bogdan goes down about halfway across the river.

And his brother remained afloat by dog paddling. Excuse me, Jesus. Until that was a verb. Until a ride operator hauled him aboard a boat. But Bogdan was nowhere to be found.

They found it the next morning, his body. He's dead. I don't know. There's another one. Scumman.

I ended with the door. I ended with two kind of funny ones. So it'll be fun. [laughter] Not dad, no, they're not deaths.

It's like two funny things that happen. You don't owe them anything. Just fucking tell your story. [laughter] Deliver it.

Okay, the day before I was born in June 7, 1980, Gerardo Gonzalez, a recent San Diego high school graduate, was killed on the people mover. And an incident just like the one that Ricky Lee gate had gone through 13 years earlier.

Gerardo, in the early morning hours of grad, nice. Cancel, grad nights. Yeah. It's just too dangerous for all of them.

Never let that baby go to grad night.

Never. [laughter] So he is again climbing from Carter cars. The people mover goes into the super speed tunnel. Which is -- that sounds like a mistake.

Yeah, they were like, "Someone died on the people mover.

“I think we need to put super speed in it."”

Yeah. That's probably what would be better. Right.

And adjacent to the, okay, the former America Singh's building. I don't know what that's in there. It's why the America's River's thing. Right. Yeah.

I was into the track on coming train of cars. Crush him beneath its wheels. June 4, 1983 Phillips Strongham. An 18-year-old Albuquerque New Mexico resident. Also drown in the rivers of America.

And yet another -- say it with me. Grad night and Senate. Third grad night incident? Yep. I'm fucking writing to the -- oh, I almost said president.

[laughter] We don't know what that is. Right. No. We're on our own.

[laughter] Oh, you know what I'll write to the rock? That's what I'll do. Yeah. That's what I'll do.

I'll fucking take care of Grad night.

Wouldn't that be amazing if the next grad night,

“the rock came in and just started fucking beating the shit out of everybody?”

Oh. It's like Santa, he went around. I don't want like a reindeer. It's like Santa Claus. [laughter]

It's like Santa Claus. It's nothing like Santa Claus. It's nothing like Christmas. [laughter] I love it.

It's Christmas for me. What if I -- I just love the idea that that's your new cause. It's the ending grad night. It's like for everybody.

And any other fun activities for seniors? [laughter] We're shutting that shit down. They can't handle it. They have to keep standing up all the time.

[laughter] All I need to be out here where I'm not supposed to be, says the 17-year-old boy. Fucking stop it. Yeah.

Agreed. So he and a friend and they've been drinking quite heavily and they snuck onto cast members only area along the river on a cast members' kill. [laughter]

Sorry. That was highly inappropriate. And I apologize to everybody. [laughter] I'm really sorry.

That was wrong.

“But I just pinched your tigger killing me.”

[laughter] And he's in the video where the, like, I think it's Pluto loses his shit. He keeps fucking yanking on his tail. And he just turns around and starts chasing the kid.

[laughter] The kid's, like, the kid's, like, clearly a, a class bully until Pluto turns around and turns on him and the kid just loses his shit. It's funny because the kid's clearly a brat before him.

I have no way want children to be harmed. Don't be upset. They'll be upset, baby. [laughter] Anyway, okay.

So they untie an inflatable, rubber maintenance rotor. Nope. Untie an inflatable rubber maintenance motorboat. Thank you. You got it.

Decided to take a virtual ride around the river. They're un-shockingly not trained in this and they're unable to adequately control the boat. And they struck a rock near Tom Sawyer Island. Philips thrown into the water.

His friend goes back to shore to seek help. And Philips drowns long before his body was located an hour later. Well, that would make sense. [laughter]

Yeah. Don't really get it. Locate his body and then they let him drown. [laughter] Yeah, I didn't.

This is snow. Right? You know, journalists? Journalists. Journalists.

[laughter] January 3, 1984. Dolly. Rayan Young. What?

Parton. Yes. Sorry. You are loving it. I mean.

It's a spot. God be here. I've gone off the wagon. [laughter] She's a 48-year-old free-mont resident, California.

She's killed on the Matterhorn. Stop clapping. I didn't pause for clapping. She's killed on the Matterhorn again. So here's the thing.

Similarly, similar to the first Matterhorn what?

You just said she's killed on the Matterhorn again. [laughter] I meant like, again, like the guy. Yeah, we know, but it's still funny. [laughter]

Oh, I got it. I don't need to explain it. Maybe the slap. Okay. She jumps, no.

That shit came back, and then the Matterhorn killed her. [laughter] Okay. About two thirds of the way down the mountain. Dolly's thrown from her seat into the path of an oncoming Bob sled.

She comes pin beneath its wheels. So they examine her sled.

“Because here's the thing, no one was in the seat with her.”

You know how usually it's like two people proceed. And so she was alone in the seat, so they were like, "Well, we don't know. She unfasten the seat belt, or if it malfunctioned." So she probably, it probably wasn't. They saw her fault.

Is there no idea? Yeah. But how many 48-year-old women do we know that are on the Bob's letter? Like, it's in your own? Yes.

Nobody. That's why you don't let 17-year-old boys on. Not 48-year-old women.

48-year-old women are like, "I've finally got to be me."

This is fucking leave the Matterhorn halfway through. No, I'm going to make my kids laugh. No! Bro, dude. Bro, dude.

Was it funny? Yeah.

“I'm going to high-five that was the monster that's there.”

Yeah. Thanks, guys. All right. December 25th. The monster.

You know that, yeah. That's in there? Sure. All right. December 24th.

98 in a tragic Christmas Eve accident. One Disneyland cast member, and two guests were injured. Okay. This is the one I have nightmares about. Okay.

A rope that's used to secure the sailing ship, Columbia. As it's docked at the Rivers of America. You know, the one that goes around. It was an inelastic hemp rope designed to break easily. It was improperly replaced for financial reasons by an elastic nylon rope,

which stretched toward the cleat from the ship's wooden hole. Okay. This. The cleat sails through the air. It strikes the heads of two guests who were waiting to board the ship.

Uh. Lawn feed Dawson, who's 33 of Duval, Washington, and his wife, Lou Five, Young, 43. And Dawson's declared brain dead two days later and dies when his wife's support system is disconnected.

And you fucking, I have nightmares about that. And now you all will, too.

Well, also, here's what I have nightmares about.

It's 1998. Yes. And Disney is using cheaper rope, because they have to scrimp and save. That does me land. Are you fucking cheating me?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, at this point, the accident results in the first guest death in Disneyland's history that was not attributed to any negligence on the part of the guest that they're telling us about.

Yeah. And prompted a movement for greater government oversight of theme park operations and safety procedures. Because there was like, there were just like, there you go. And then at one point, they were like, no way.

They're like airplanes and all these things that we need to regulate. Like airplanes. I don't know.

“There were other things that I can't remember what they're trained.”

Like trains. Trains airplanes. There are automobiles. Right. It's the natural progression.

You know what? Let's not rely on the company that was started by an anti-Semitic to police themselves. I mean, it seems like it's going to be cheap rope. Yeah. He's not going to give that much of a shit about anybody else.

They got the victim's survivors brought in a lawsuit and settled for.

They settled for $25 million.

Yeah. Could have been more. You know, they could have spent that money on hemp rope. Yeah. So I mean, seriously.

I like that. You cheap bastard. Yeah. On June 25th, 2000, a 23 year old woman from Spain exited the Indiana Jones ride. I don't know I'm pointing at you.

Because you know I love that shit. That big boulder comes out here. You're like, what? [ Laughter ] So she exits the Indiana Jones ride.

And I put this in there even though it's not really listed. She's complaining of a severe headache. She's hospitalized a day later. And later that day. It was discovered that she had a brain hemorrhage.

And said it was because of the jostling of the ride. She died in September 1st, 2000 of cerebral aneurysms.

And the victim's medical costs were estimated of more than $1.3 million.

Wow. On September 50th, 2003, a 22 year old man Marcelo Torres of Gardina, California, died. And several other guests were injured when a locomotive separated from its train along the tunnel section of Big Thunder Mountain. No.

And here's like, yeah, I got barfed on that ride. I didn't want to tell you guys. Why not? I don't know, it's gross. We love hearing all that shit.

Yeah. Someone, like, we were going around. It was my accident. It was like a first ride there and it was so fun. Like, we were going around the corner and someone in the front barfed

and everyone all of us. Yeah. And then we had to stay on the ride for the rest of the time. And everyone on the ride is just like, oh, my God. Yeah, because Disneyland's like, little cost to much money to end the ride now.

Yeah. We have to for efficiency sick and financial gain. Yeah. Can I grow up pretty quickly later? No relationship can withstand being barfed like that.

You can't look at each other again.

“I know there's a comic and I wish I can remember her name because she's so funny.”

She's a New York comic and she tells this fuck an amazing story of being at a New York town, a fair when she was like eight years old. And it was in the late '60s and whenever before Judy Garland died, and Judy Garland was there with Liza Manelli and her other daughter. Sorry me.

And they went on to one of those rides that the such spinning thing that then turns and starts spinning like that. Yeah. And so this guy, I wish I could remember name. She basically got in line with the Garland's Garland Manelli's.

Um, just so she could get on the ride faster. Just she looked like she blended in and they got on to the ride

And they all got splashed with Judy Garland's barf on that ride. It's kind of special.

“I mean, it's, it's collectors item for sure about.”

Okay. Yeah. Anyways. So I'm losing some new podcast barf stories. Sorry.

Uh, look on the load of separated from it's train along a tunnel. Tunnel section of Biggshire Mountain Railroad. He, um, he bled to death after suffering but went forced trauma. Yeah. And the cause of the accident was determined to be improper maintenance.

So this is the other, not his fault one. Um, investigation reports and discovery by the victims attorney

confirmed that the fatal injuries occurred when the first passenger car

collided with the underside of the local mode of local mode of. I mean, it's from here. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

So those are the ones that have happened so far. Let's hope through the only ones that ever happen. Don't take your seatbelt off ever. What is happening? I don't know.

Sounds like there's a giant pounding on the outside of the building. It's so Walt Disney. Is it him? Yeah. Uh, course.

Sorry. Reanimated. We're sorry. You cheap bastard. All right.

So there is the two that aren't murders. So death. So we all feel better. August 6, 1970.

And my dad told me this when I was a kid and it made me so happy.

750 quote and this is how it's written. Hippies and quote radical hippies. They used to call them worse than hippies. Yeah.

“Infiltrated the park and took over the wilderness fort, which I think is,”

which is now the Tom Sawyer situation. They raised the vehicle on flag. Wow. And pass reefers out to pass her by. Shit girl.

They were like, they took it over. What's wrong? Nothing. See, shaming me still back to the stage? No, you paranoid lunatic.

My head turned to the side. I know. I know. Listen. That's nice.

Listen to me.

Um, a platoon of Anaheim officers and full rake.

You're poured into the park from the backstage areas to get them the fuck. Out of there. 750. Yeah, that's a shit ton. Yeah.

And then so much pot in Disneyland. Yeah. Like, what is that? This smells like a skunk. Money.

What's happening? Um. All right.

“And finally, on New Year's Day of 2013, a writer in the front row of the thing called”

California Screaming. Yo, yeah. That's a big roller coaster. Front roll the roller coaster. Here he goes.

He's hit in the face by a seagull. No injuries were reported. Oh. We can die. Yeah.

He's like, that's the status one of all. No. To go out by seagull. No. See the face.

Yeah. The poor seagull is like, what the fuck? I'm just trying to go down this roller coaster. Trying to fly over this park. Oh my god.

That's awesome. Yeah. That's, that's Disneyland. That is Disneyland. Thank you.

Okay. We're back. Are there any updates to Disneyland? Actually, yes. There are updates to Disneyland.

Besides all the snacks that they have every season that are new that I'm obsessed with, even though I'm not going to Disneyland. There's no fucking way. So there has been at least one additional death linked to Disneyland. Since this episode aired in late 2025, a woman in her 60s suffered, quote, an unfortunate medical

episode and quote per the Anaheim police shortly after finishing the haunted mansion ride. She was pronounced dead later that evening at the hospital. I feel like I remember. But this is that kind of thing where it's like that idea that someone like their blood pressure would go up or they would suddenly, it's, I don't know.

It's surprising it doesn't happen more. I was literally just thinking that it is. And so of course it's going to happen at Disneyland because it could happen anywhere. And you do get, you know, it's thousands and thousands of people all day long, interactive, like living their life in a concentrated way.

It's like, right, that little Karen wanders away in the middle of it. And lives on Peter Pand Island forever for hours. Yeah. Okay. Now let's head back into the episode and we'll listen to the hometown from Anaheim.

Well, yeah, it's, it's time to do a hometown murder. I think there's an open mic somewhere. Hold on. Let's be reasonable. Let's have somebody stand up with a piece of paper in their hand.

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“Then, one day, the 14-year-old Jeremy was arrested for the murder of a spread friend Brad Hansen.”

Brad had been missing for two months at that point. Jeremy was originally questioned when Brad went missing. He had told investigators that they had skipped school the day that Brad went missing. They had hung out at their house and were playing with the gun. He went off and Brad's hands and that he panicked and rode away on his bicycle.

Police for two months were investigating as a missing person's case. A runaway case didn't think anything weird had happened. But then two months later, right before the arrest happened, some trash collector is at the right term trash collectors. -Garbageman? -Garbageman?

-Trash collectors. -CCC. -Garbageman? -CAMitation workers. That's the situation. -Garbage person. -Garbage person, doesn't sound right. No sanitation worker.

Sanitation worker came by the Bauhaus on their weekly pickup. They noticed that the trash can outside the Bauhaus was covered in blood. And it raised some red flags for him. I mean, one would hope. And he called the cops who came and investigated

and they determined that blood belonged to Brad Hansen.

So they interrogated Jeremy a second time to find out what happened.

And he told them that he had lied the first time and that what actually happened was that they had skipped school and were playing with the gun in the house and that it had gone off in his hands and he had accidentally shot Brad in the chest and killed him

And then after he had died, he'd put Brad's body into a trash bin,

“which he put on the curb and the sanitation workers took away”

the next day and never to be heard from again.

But the cops did not believe his story because they said that it would have taken Brad nearly an hour to die after the shot. And so Jeremy never went for help. So it was pretty obvious that it was intentional shooting.

So they had a few theories. They thought that maybe it was intentional and that the boys have been arguing about a girl that they both had dated. That was possible. There was also some speculation at the time that Jeremy's father

had helped him dispose of the body. I was kind of an ongoing thing. And then my cousin did tell me that there was a rumor that went around the junior high that the police dogs had picked up Brad's scent and followed it to the backyard of Jeremy's house

and they believed that maybe he was fed to their German shepherds. That's junior high, yes. That's totally junior rare, come on. So that's just all speculation. But Julia and Chrissy's mom did definitely clean up the crime scene.

It did happen in the kitchen. She had no idea. So she said she was in there when the cops did the luminal test and they had her point out where all the blood spots were that she had cleaned up. And she said when they turned that black light on that the whole kitchen lit up.

So unfortunately, Brad's body was never recovered.

They think that it was probably taken to the landfill. But by the time they had all its information, it was two months later. So there's no way they could ever have found them. So eventually, Jeremy has put on trial for second degree murder. And some funny things happened to my cousin during this time.

Well, Jeremy was on trial. His parents were pretty wealthy and they got him out on bail. And at that time, he called my cousin and asked her out for a date. And her mother allowed her to go. And they went bowling.

Oh my God. I love bowling. He had great jokes.

“And when I asked my cousin about this this week to make sure I had all the facts, right?”

Just in case I got up here. I was like, what the hell was your mother thinking? That's insane. And she's like, what the fuck I know. I realized that now.

I was totally messed up. So he was brought up on trial for second degree murder. He was found guilty and sentenced to 22 years in prison. And at the time that he was sentenced, he was only 15 years old. So he was the youngest, I don't know if he still is.

But back then he was definitely the youngest person in Arizona history to ever be convicted as an adult. Wow. And so there was a lot of media that happened around it. A media frenzy that happened around this trial. And one of the things that happened to my cousin was that she was driving with her mom.

I don't know who has passed the courthouse or passed the box house. But there's reporters outside. And they flagged down the car and knocked on the windows. And they were yelling inside. Like, can we ask you some questions?

And my cousin at the time had a really short pixie haircut. So she kind of looked like a boy.

“And they're like, Jeremy, Jeremy, can we get some information from you?”

Ask your question. And they thought he wouldn't shoot you for them. And he had a high school sex. And her mom got deeply offended by this. And she rolled down her windows.

Like, that's my daughter, you asshole. That away. Oh my god. That's amazing. And so he went to prison for 22 years.

He was sentenced in, I think, January of '98. And once he got to prison, I'll check. [LAUGHTER] Yep, you did it. Every single word has been perfect so far.

I'm not really good at winning it. So I think you are. Yeah. Once he got to prison, my cousin thought this was all over.

And she never had to think about it again.

But then she started receiving love letters from prison. This just gets better and better. And Jeremy was asking her, "She'd marry him." And she said it really creeped around because he would always call her my baby. Oh.

And she said the best part about it all was that he said, at one point he asked her if she had been hassled by anybody in school for being his friend. And he said, "Give me their names because I'll totally kick their asses." And she was like--

Yeah. She's like, I don't think the weight of all this trial stuff is really gotten to him yet because he's not going to get out of prison for 22 years. Yeah. But it'll school be a distant memory. Everyone else will be in the--

I'm like, "Oh, that's crazy."

Yeah.

“So she said it's like a total distant memory.”

Like it's not something she really ever thinks about. But I looked it up this week because I was coming here to the show. And I realized that 22 years of the sentence means he's going to be out in two years and so I asked Julia if she felt worried if he would get out if he's held a candle for her for all these years

or what and she's not worried at all. But I'm like, got to lock your doors. Yeah, but her mom let her go on a date with the murderers. So I guess probably the last date he had before prison. Right.

You know? She's got to follow all the murdering and rules. Yeah. I'm going to knock it murder. How does he look though?

Just get it. You did amazing. That was so good. Off the paper. Great job.

That was so good. Do you want to take her back? There you give it that scrapbook. That away. Thank you.

Thank you. That was so awesome. Okay, we're back.

“Now, George, do you know if there's any updates on this hometown?”

I do, actually. So Jeremy Bach was released from prison on October 2, 2018. To a while ago now after serving approximately 20 years of a 22 year sentence. You had to give that update because it's your hometown. So you made it possible for all of the civic events and legal events that happened there.

Sorry. Okay, so this episode was originally titled "Live at the Grove in Anaheim." But if we were naming it today, based on something that happened, that's fun and funny that happened in the episode. Maybe we would call it. Remember those pants.

About my fucking vinyl rape pants. I will bring up George's vinyl rape pants. Any chance I get, the more people there to witness it, the better. As you should. Also joking that huge mice are coming for us is a pretty great title for this podcast or a death metal band.

Oh yeah, that is a good one. It works. Local girl extraordinaire. That's me. Yeah, that's the winner I would make for you.

Yeah. And of course, post-traumatic grad night. Which is Georgia talking about how much I hated grad night. This is some really good choices. TTGN.

All right, you guys, thanks for listening to Rewind. Let's go back to Anaheim at the Grove. Say goodbye. That was great. Oh my god, you guys.

Thank you so much.

And I'm thank you for making our first Orange County show.

So great. I was a little nervous. I'm not gonna lie. I peeled off all of this nail polish because I was nervous. Not my middle finger.

So thank you for making my hometown first show. Fucking awesome. Yes. That's a good feeling. That's a good feeling.

Yeah, this, I feel like this crowd is kind of one of the best we've ever had. It's like honestly. So it makes me happy when people like comedy. It's so much more fun. You're not about it.

It's done. No. Thank you guys. I'm also just we joke about it. But because you guys listen and tell your friends to listen and support us so much.

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