New Rory & MAL
New Rory & MAL

Episode 468 | Musiq Snowchild

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Happy St. Patrick’s Day! After an eventful weekend in entertainment, the crew couldn’t wait to get together to discuss which of Jack Harlow’s aliases were the funniest to them. Is it...

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- No, won't be enough! . - No, won't be enough! - No, no, won't be enough! - No, won't be enough!

- No, won't be enough! - Please, we're not rolling! - Is this thing all? - It's on. - It's on.

- Oh, yeah, we are bad. - We're dragging the building.

- Happy Monday, my brother, first of all, happy St. Patrick's Day.

- I won't make any of you today, Roy. - I don't know, it's a clap this day. - You say happy St. Patrick's Day, man. You're a Irish brother, no, I'm sure we've got to support you, too. - Yeah, and I take St. Patrick's Day very seriously.

I didn't wear green just 'cause I don't really submit to the commercialism and capitalism of what they've done with my culture. - Yeah.

- It is a very important day, it is a good representation of our faith

and getting the English to fuck out of here. - Love diary. - Shout out to IRA. - Yeah. - Yes, that's really where I'm at with it, but yeah.

Everyone, amateur day and enjoy. I don't think you're celebrating Irish culture, but, you know, whatever. I'll be on bail for that. - It's poppin' 'til?

- Nah, he's a Florida. - Yeah, I was trying to get him to come up. I went to my godfathers over the weekend, we did a little St. Patrick's Day thing with the kids and everything. But I'll be home beef.

- Yeah. I'll be on fifth. If you're listening to this, I won't fit that, but you won't fit that right now. - With the more. - With the rest of the lads.

- Yeah. - What did they call the women, uh, like, his lads are guys, right, Irish? - I think we acknowledge. - Never.

(laughing) - I think that's cute that you think. (laughing) - Your name is Kitchen. (laughing)

- Kitchen. - I'm sorry, I got 'em really. - The color stove. (laughing) - That's the original stove, God.

(laughing) - We are back spots about boost mobile unlimited talk text and data. - Yes. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard of us.

I read all your comments over the weekend, all your niggas out there. - Okay. - Yeah. - You do believe the potato family was a genocide.

- That's what you're talking about. - Yes. - All right, cool.

It's the only thing I'm on the same page.

- I'm gonna talk about, yes. But I read some of the comments over the weekend,

Everybody was killing me.

It's okay. I'll take it off. I welcome it. I understand. - If you're a cute baby.

- Did they? - I posted the baby. - They said you were a cute baby. They said we're like a cold minor, but... - Why were you so worried?

- I don't know.

I have to ask, I think my dad took that.

I have to ask exactly where I was. - Was it like a kid to work day? - I've been fighting to that. - Well, you would Jake and me, because I was probably... (laughing)

- I'd have no idea where this day. - It's just hilarious. - He was like a runaway, a stowaway. He was underneath the gray-out with the luggages. - Which is correct.

Like, I'm sure I ate fine that day. - Yeah, I didn't look like you. (laughing) - It doesn't look like you were starving at all. - It was the shirt off, you just...

- No, but that was... - Yeah, come on now. - You didn't see that, baby. - Yeah, they saw that. - I was rocking that shirt.

- Now though, I would like a dinosaur shirt like that right now. - Yeah, they said more. Look, I keep along then, you know. 90's like, I'm being grouped. They said you had a button up turtleneck.

They never seen that before.

But they don't notice this party. - It's not a party. - Yeah, it's a party. - Yeah, I was talking about that. - I was talking about that.

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- Yeah, I was talking about that. - Yeah, I was talking about that. - Yeah, I was talking about that. - You guys may phone a me for admitting that vulnerable story and me getting kicked out of daycare for fighting somebody. - You don't call me a biter for like seven episodes straight.

- Yeah, I told you not to cry. - I admit it to be a biter. - That's my bag. I still bite one fucking crazy.

- The marriage shit, that's what she do.

- I mean, that's your strongest asset at that age. - Yeah, I mean, look at the bow tie with the suspend is just crazy. - Like a participant. - It does go the smallest suspend is over. - It does go the vibes of like every murder doc on Netflix in the end.

- Damn, yeah. - It definitely gives a lot of that. - Yeah, like we're ready to go wrong. - Yeah, it's such a love child. - Yeah, look at his family.

It's such a family kid. Everybody loved them and then, you know, just high school. He just went, he went left. - And then all of us are watching Netflix going, "How do you not look in his eyes?"

- Yeah, you can see it in his eyes. - How did you not see it? - Look at those beating killers. - Is that a clip on? Was that, was that tied?

- Clip on? - Okay, I mean, you were young. - Yeah. - You get a pass. - Ryan made it early.

- Oh yeah. - Oh, I almost went in there and deleted. I almost hated it. I was like, "I don't know if Ryan is allowed on the IG it." - It's not Ryan.

- It's not Ryan. - We love Ryan. - That's hilarious. - That was hilarious. - He used to send me a whack photo.

He wouldn't have made it. But the photo was really cute. - No, it was adorable. It was also adorable because it was shot in, I don't know, it 2015. So it was super high.

- That was last summer. I was last summer. I do like that trend of this is who you're, and then it's the baby picture. Because that's, I've had that in like couple stereotyp before.

And I've always thought it was like the worst strategy.

Remember when you're judging your partner or looking at them, just think about the baby. And not, this isn't a dope that's fucking up in front of me. - You're a better actor than that child. - I would not never yell at that child. - But never yell at that child.

- We're not in 1996. - Yeah. - It's now. (laughs) And she's an adult that needs to take accountability.

- Yeah, what is so with these memes that be gone around?

Like, yeah, I would just like scroll on social media and just like, just see all these memes. And just like, that just tug at you like emotional strings. - Yeah. - Of course. - Oh my God.

- What memes? - Yeah. - Actually there's our relationship shit. Just shut up. Just what memes mom.

Just what memes thank you.

- Why is the marriage algorithm only relationship shit?

- It what memes mom. - She's a lover girl.

I mean, what should we watch it now? Like, what should we like it?

Because it's only how good it is because she like it some shit. - No, because it pimp times people send you stuff. - But why they send you relationship shit? Never mind. So I saw this, I saw this, I saw this.

It wasn't really a meme, as well as I guess like a skit, where the kid was talking to his mom as mom was like, "Oh my God, look at this. This is so funny." He was like, "Mom, what is that? Does he make any sense out of that?"

And then he kind of like turns and looks. And it's like a baby version of him and his mom when he's showing his mom like a drone that he didn't class. - Aww. - Look like shit.

- Yeah. - The mom was like, "Oh my God, it's so beautiful." So I was saying like, as we get older now, I pair it show with shit that we like it. That's not even funny.

Like what is that? But it's like, yeah, but you got it still, you know? - Yeah. - Like, hey, they did it for you at one point. Like they thought you were the funniest, most creative kid in the world.

- Yeah. - And now your parents are getting older.

And they show you things that they think is funny.

You have to laugh. - Did you cry? - I didn't cry. But I definitely cried my mom after that though. I had to check it on.

I was like, "Oh." Yeah. Because my mom was sitting in the machine. I feel like my weight. What is this?

Typically you want to say, "Hey, I saw this meme two years ago." - Right. This is not even, this is just got to Facebook. - My favorite thing that was AI. My mom don't know what's real.

- Yeah. (laughing) - My mom don't know. - AI is so dangerous. - He don't know.

- He don't know. - What's real? It's like a nap just like, "I, man." It's just like, "Who?" - No, my mom.

Am I step mom? I go on. I go on fucking their Facebooks. And it's just all AI photos of them. They're on a, they're a biker.

Now they're super hero. Now they're a cop. It's like y'all have to stop with AI. I got our literally burning down a small city. - But we were fucked before the AI stuff.

Because they would fall for just memes or just images. Even on Sunday when I was over at my godfather. Somebody screamed.

Wait, you have to be gay now to win a Oscar.

That's a rule. I said, "That's fake." What you're reading right now is fake. Like, give me your phone. I'm telling you right now, this is fake.

- Oh, I don't know. That might be, that might be all par. - No, it was a list of rules that said this is, and the caption said this is real. - Yeah.

- A Oscar. - Now this is real. - What just says that is real? You know that? - I was like, this is, I promise you.

This is not in the Oscar booklet. You have to be gay. Walk them off the ledge. Like, what is going on now? - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- I promise you. - This is not real. - Oh my god. - Peace. - It was real?

- Say your column MBJ gay. That's what you're saying. - Now we're not doing that.

First of all, shout out Michael B. Jordan.

- Congratulations. - Congratulations. - Congratulations. - To both of them. - Just smoke your snacks.

- Just shout out to smoke your snacks. - Shout out to smoke your snacks. - No, but congratulations. Michael B. Jordan on winning. Best actor at the Oscars this year.

Well deserved. It was dope to see. Michael B. Jordan received that award. It just, you know, received praise from his peers. And actors and actress that he looked up to him.

I think everybody kind of felt like sin was the movie of the year.

Even though one better after another one movie of the year. - Yeah. - Another great movie shout out to Tiana Taylor. She got an Oscar. She's in that movie, obviously.

So she won an Oscar for that. But shout out to Michael B. Jordan, man. Well deserved. And if you didn't see sin as I don't know what you waiting for. It's a good movie.

And it's definitely, you know, another one of the movies that Ryan Coogler and Michael B. Jordan to add to their filmography of just great films and great work that they have together. - Shout out to Ryan Coogler for winning

best original screenplay. - Shout out to Ryan. - Shout out to Ryan Coogler. Young Coogler. - Yeah, man.

- No, I thought it was great. I didn't watch the Oscars. I'll be honest with you. But I did watch the clips of them winning. And I appreciated that.

I watched Conan's monologue. And that was a cold crowd. I felt for him. I thought Conan was kind of funny. - I didn't see it.

- I just, it was a rough crowd. I felt for him. - That's a tough gig though. - It was still near I know stiff. - Yeah, because I still kind of a little,

I thought we was making a little turn and everybody not being so sensitive. - But Conan didn't even like say anything that was super over there. - Yeah, it was just a stiff room.

- Oh, maybe he wasn't funny. I thought it wasn't bad. I think Conan's a really good writer. He's Irish. - Ah, they didn't laugh at him during

fucking St. Patty's weekend, that's crazy. - Yeah, man. - Yeah, they're Conan dirty. Don't do Conan like that. - Just focused on sinners like this.

(laughs) - We're all sinners. - We're all sinners. - We're all sinners, and we're all having sins. - Well, maybe keep it.

(laughs) - I keep it. - No, it's fine. - We're all having sins. - We're all having sins actually.

- We're all having sins. - We're all having sins. - Even Conan. - Even Conan is having sins. I don't know if you know that.

- On Saturday, I got a very strange text message. This could either bomb. This is completely true. This could either bomb, and mall could be mad at me, or we can keep it.

I get a text message on Saturday at 1230 at night. I just met a man whose name is Hank Strong.

He's an actor, and he wanted me to say hi to mall for him

and tell him that Big Dick Buster says hello. I would tell you the rest later. This is a person that's very, very near and dear to my heart that texted this to me. She was at work and ran into this gentleman.

I got the rest of the story. Apparently, you were out of a club at one point, and you met the gentleman and he reminded you of somebody else, and then you continued to call him Big Dick Buster for the rest of the night in a club,

which I wanted to call Capon, 'cause you don't give anyone nicknames a little bit of Big Dick Buster. But I don't know. You have been known to do toast that David Buster's

with the Kardashians. So I thought maybe that had something to do with it. - Okay.

- Are you, do you know any recollection of this story?

- I don't know. Hank is a, he does security in the city. He does security personal security for celebrities. But he was in a golf father hauling. He had a rolling golf father hauling.

His name was Big Dick Buster. He was like one of, one of, one of the, I'm only on season one of Godfather. - Yeah, no, he was one of the, I like the muscle for bumpy Johnson,

and you know, one of the guys that, that had stole some money or did something like they had him in the warehouse, beat him up, and then they had Big Dick Buster coming in. You know, do a Big Dick, but only Big Dick Buster can do.

- Okay. - You know what I mean? - So. - But you know, shout out to Hank. - He's still not shout out to Hank.

- I'm just saying, he should add more context to his story. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I wasn't, 'cause this year, I don't know why he, he did not add in Godfather Harlem. He didn't add in acting.

He said, "Yo, just to tell more, Big Dick Buster said what up." - Yeah, that's, that's great.

First of all, and I wasn't walking around

calling him Big Dick. (laughing) I was doing that. But shout out to Hank, man, good do. - You know what, that was like to get that text,

that's what I think. - Yeah, that's what you're, wow. I'm definitely not gonna answer that. - I don't know what to have on the ground scene. He was in?

- Yeah, no, I'm not calling Hank Big Dick Buster. I'm not walking around calling Hank that. - At the club? - At the club, just yelling. - You know, Big Dick Buster.

So, my G, what? - That's not. - Wait, what's the season of Godfather Harlem? 'Cause I'm almost done with season, I think I'm actually, to begin the season two.

- Probably season two. - Okay. - And they just, they call him Big Dick Buster. - Yeah.

- 'Cause there's something like that's what he does. He comes in and he just, he breaks to, well, I mean, that's what Bumpy Johnson.

I didn't say that. Bumpy gave him that. - Bumpy gave him that. - Yeah, I didn't give him that name. But yeah, he comes in and, hey, by looking like that,

he's gonna beat you up. I mean, 'cause he's, you know, big guy. But then, nah, he, he taking your butt. - Oh. - Yeah.

- Sometimes I wish I lived in the 70s. Then other times, I'm kind of like, (laughing) - Shoot me, yeah, they're just, just kill me. - Yo, just kill me.

- Like me on fire. - Yeah, shoot me. - Just shoot me. - That's the, I don't need to go out that way. What's, okay, yeah, then I guess that does.

But even then, like, I've never been the head of a criminal organization.

I understand, you have to do some Diabolical shit to get there. I don't know if I wanted, like, what if this guy turns on me, wouldn't it? - Yeah. - Oh. - I could maybe defend myself against a killer that, like, whatever.

Wait, this, you, like, you got to treat that guy with a different level of class. - He should be, when you, when you know when shooter doesn't just shoot me. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Take home. - Yeah, he won't butt.

- That's what he won't. - Like, but, like, he could just kill the person who wants to do that instead. - I'm gonna, I'm gonna take some butt and deal with them all the roof. - No, I have to go. - What salary do you want, sir?

(laughing) - We are not advocating for rape, I know it. - No, no, no, no, never that. I'm just saying, I was crying. - That was his role in the golf, father-in-law.

Obviously, it's a gangster series, so it was gangster shit happening, so. I don't know how gangster that is, but, you know, whatever. I'm not telling anybody how to run their criminal organization. - For sure. (laughing)

- Anyways, it was, uh, it was it, uh, was it a good, music weekend? Or was it just a music weekend? 'Cause we gotten some good ones back to back. Um, uh, uh, listen, we deal with the white elf in the room first.

Or should we get to James Blake outside like a lot?

- No, no, no, no, no. We're going right to Monica. We're going right to Santa Monica. Let's go, right to Santa Monica. - Right to Santa Monica.

- Right to Santa Monica. Jack Hall, though, dropped, uh, his very much anticipated new project. He was, we were waiting to hear from Jack. And we talked about it last week when he was like, you know,

this is an important project for Jack, which way is he gonna go. So, what is it gonna sound like to Santa third? And all of that is that we do around. I don't think any of us landed on what exactly the project

turned out to indeed be. - Yeah. - Um, first thoughts. Someone's I played it. I'm like, okay, Jack is in a whole different bag,

where I'm like, I wasn't expecting this. Uh-huh. This was completely different for Jack Hall. Sure, this felt like, uh, entirely new artist,

somebody that we've never heard before.

Um, but. While it was different and wasn't what I expected, it wasn't terrible. It wasn't terrible. I was, I was a little don-off.

I was a little confused. But it wasn't terrible. It was okay. It just wasn't terrible. But definitely was not what we expected.

I don't think it was what we expected at all. No, it was not after the Dojo Cat single. I was like, all right. Let's keep.

Let's keep the training.

A lot of nobody was going all the way pop.

I'm not going to lie. We said pop.

Maybe I think you're a little sprinkle or rap in this.

Still hip-hop. But I anticipated a mix between Jackman and the kids. Miss you. I thought he was going to find a good balance there. I didn't think he was going to go post malone

or sell out the way a lot of white rappers have done in the past. I didn't think Jack was going to do that. I did not expect him. No wonder I have not been able to book electric

lady lamp for the best fucking six months. Jack had it. He had a book though. Yeah. You know, expensive by places.

You had a book though? That's the initials DNA in it. Oh.

I don't know where to begin here.

I would be a liar if I did not laugh at all the jokes the entire weekend. Oh, and it was plenty of truth. Oh, it was plenty of jokes to laugh at. They called him IRS one.

IRS one was definitely one of my favorites.

I did this, which you could put on the screen.

Pea Jocelyn. It's you darn instead of damn was one of my favorites. Oh. Oh. Oh.

If you know your history into the nation, Islam. Ya'qub Kwali. Yes. Was one of my favorites.

Music Roth child was definitely a liar. They called it in a January 6th. Park. Somebody called him Jew Hill.

Yeah. Um, day last stole. Bro. They said, they said, bland new bin. Proud boys to man.

They material his ass. Oh. Yo, man. Jack, man. This one, they put this one white boys put that hat on right there.

That hat does it every time. This one, I also again, the album covers the best white on both sides. Oh, it's fucking hilarious. They call him Auschwitz, Ausena. Oh, my God.

I had to look up if he was actually Jewish. Because man of him were Jewish. I'm like, he's not even Jewish. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Jack, I don't know, man. This is, this just wasn't what we was expecting. The music is not terrible. It's cool. But it's just like, we wasn't breathing.

We ain't need this. Yeah. It's like the Angela was funny. But they spelled it the Italian way. Yeah.

No. I thought the Anglo-Saxon. That fucking fried me. And they said, Leon Thomas Jefferson. Oh.

So I called him ninth Wonderbread. Oh, my God. In F.D. Yo, they bent here. Oh, they went for hours.

He went on tip. He went on tip. Yeah, Jack. They fry you up for this one, man. Oh, no.

Listen, man. I'm really not here. It's not terrible. I don't know this is just jokes. But it's not a terrible album.

Yo, no, this is my bag.

So I am actually very critical of people going into this genre,

especially when they've not been in it. It's really not that bad.

I think what I think music fans find it a bit distasteful is how Mac Miller coded.

He was trying to be in it. And I'm not saying Jack went anywhere with Mac Miller on his mind whatsoever. But we saw Mac transition from being a backpack rapper into a full-blown musician. Like Mac a play every instrument producing. You saw the artist he got respect from and you watched that entire thing.

It wasn't like one day I decided I wanted to. Who a so query, you know. Right. Mac we watch do that in such an authentic way. And I don't even want to make this a race thing per se.

But Mac is the closest thing we probably seen with modern artists that have transitioned to another genre in a very respectful and authentic way. Yeah. And I'm not saying, I don't know Jack's intentions. I don't know Jack personally. He could have had every authentic.

He could have, I mean, I know he didn't know Brandy two years ago. But maybe he discovered Neosome music and really fell in love with it and wanted to do this. I just don't know whose ever running the program of getting out in album like this. Whereas three stacks when love blow came out. I went and bought it as a kid expecting an outcast album.

I was confused as fuck, but Andre just sat quietly and let us all deal with it. And this with throwing on the costume of the fucking the beanie, you and the park like Brown Sugar. It was like too much on the nose a bit like when Mac was moving into another genre. Mac was himself through the whole thing. He didn't put on a new costume for it.

It was just like, Mac should be a Mac. This even though I'm not saying that's Jack at all. I want to make that very clear. I don't know Jack Harlow, I'm not saying he's doing that. I thought that you completely changed your style to this stereotypical Neosotion 2026.

When people make a Neosome music, don't even dress that way no more.

No, they dress how they dress.

It's almost like you were doing. And I'm not saying you don't like to dress that way. Maybe Jack, I like a beanie too. I used to have the beanie with the department. I wanted to just kill him like you ain't got to like keep saying.

I'm not saying I don't know Jack, I just kill him. It's okay. I'm not here to kill him. I'm just saying. You checked sometimes checking too many boxes is the wrong thing.

Sometimes going, you know what? I want to make a Neosome album and record it in electric lady is like, alright, man. Let's pull it back a bit. How would you be your version of this?

Because I think Jack's between Jack man and the kids miss you.

I think Jack could have incorporated a lot of Neosome into his sound already in a way that may have been less. Let's check every Neosome box and put the beanie on. Let's get a black girl with short hair. Let's smile in the park.

Let's walk around like we're max while in Brooklyn.

Like it was just too much of the box checking. But with that said, I don't think the music is that bad. The way people are killing the music, I don't think it's as bad as people are making up. It's not as bad. I actually, it's not.

I mean, it's just a hard left. Like he is. It's a hard left with the marketing and then you sit and listen. My white face and my pass. And my passion would pull up anything.

I'm not guilty in this entire thing. But sitting with two white people in New York Times to talk about your black album is a little fucking weird to me. And who was Monica? Pizza, you know what I stand for.

Somebody told me to sound it out, but don't say it out loud. And I went, oh fuck. My nigga. (laughing) - My nigga.

- My nigga. - My nigga. - My, my, whatever, whatever girl he got with full lock status, fucking the shit out of him. - That smell like a woman. - And find out what Monica looked like.

This gonna give us all the answers we need right here. This gonna tell us everything we need in the. - But I mean, we need to know the muse. Who's the muse to this music?

- Well, I think that's why, because the rollout was so confusing.

That's why the disconnect to me has happened because there could have been a rollout of who Monica really was. And we would have probably had an idea how it appears is that he just chose a black name

to call his black elephant. - Monica. Now if there was a story that we missed, I think that could have helped with the rollout and kind of ease people into this.

If you wanted to make this dress transition into soul music, but there wasn't that. - Yeah, it's just a hard love Jack. And again, I think it's insane to sit down with, I'm not saying sit down New York Times is wrong,

but sitting down with two white people

that probably have never heard mama's gun

in their entire life to discuss your Neo-Soul album is a strange way. He did get fucked over. I mean, the clip isn't saying. I got blacker.

I know what he was trying to say as far as white artists usually go to white shit. And he's saying his music went more to the black region of music. - Mm-hmm.

- Who's that me?

- I don't know, 'cause I think all music is black.

So that's what I mean, he got blacker. Did he say got blacker? - Yeah. - He said he got blacker. But he was, what I think he was trying to say.

- Jack Hall said he got blacker. - But he did not see the clip in white or even in reference to his music, his music got blacker instead of going white like how his album is. - Yeah, he could out of fucking hip-hop album.

He don't get more black than hip-hop, dude. - Well, they were talking about people like Neo-Soul or black and hip-hop. How a lot of artists will start with hip-hop and then they'll venture up, kid rocked hip-hop.

Then he went, why did I listen to, I mean, why did I listen to congratulations as Congressman? - Okay, well, a lot of people would say post-malone got hot because of hip-hop and then immediately said hip-hop has no substance in a quote

and then started making country and pop music. Now, he used hip-hop to get up whole his career and move on in New York Times and Jack were trying to explain that at this moment where he was a huge white artist, he decided to go more towards what people would consider

black music, which would be Neo-Soul, even though all music is black music. - Right. - He just chose to say the word, "I got blacker" and that got clipped.

Now, that's insane. - Yeah, Jack, that's, Jack, that's crazy. - But what I think he was trying to say is I instead of doing what all my other white counterparts do in this situation, I decided not to go for the fame pop shit

and went more towards music than I prefer, which Neo-Soul was obviously black. But then again, so was fucking rock-and-roll pop music, every music audience, 'cause ball music is black. So, but that's a separate conversation.

But that's me speculating. Let's just deal with what he said. - Yeah. - He said I got blacker. - Yeah, that's just not it.

- And you're wearing the beanie and it just, I don't know, I feel like... - That fucking beanie is pissing me off.

Like, I'm not gonna lie.

Like, if you wanna put out the music you wanna put out,

that's fine, especially if it's good, like whatever, but the cost playing, the cost playing of like, my uncle, I don't like that shit. That shit is so unnecessary. And it makes this seem like you're taking it

as a joke and you're not really respecting the music. - You remember what like in the sitcoms in the '90s when the white kid showed up at high school, he was cool, like in the Steve Harvey Show and all of that, and all the girls liked him.

And it's like a talent show. You're like, oh, he can rap.

That's what Jack Hall reminded me of a little bit.

He can play basketball. The white man can jump right, play basketball. And he gave us, you know, he raped him in, and now he's given us Neo-Soul. - I mean, it's an interesting move.

Was it a good move?

- I shouldn't be the, I feel like y'all should be speaking, not me.

- No, I'm just saying, what you do, the New York Times and Jack already cleaned up my sides. So now I'm just gonna do y'all to be speaking. - I think it was a smart move though. I think this, I think this, this hurt Jack.

This definitely hurt him, and my humble opinion, I'm not an artist, I don't make music. So I'm not gonna, you know, speak too much to that, but it's hard left. I think her Jack's trajectory more than it helped, for sure.

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- All right, I have to think that maybe maybe him and whoever is on his team knows something I don't, because this is such an obvious, simply bad move for his career that I would think, okay, if they did this, they must have reasoning for it.

Because it's like, to ask was this like,

not good for him, I think that's pretty obvious.

We were just talking on the last episode about how you don't have a particular sound that we can go to. What is it, who are you as an artist? And then you switch again. So it's like, are you just going to hop around genres

for the rest of the audience? - Right, so, because now, with the, he can't go back like full rap on the next project. Why not? - Hell, no.

- He can do it after he wants, but how will he come across?

- You're right, he can get back all looking

to do whatever the fuck he want to do. I'm saying, if he goes full rap hip hop next album, that's going to make this album look even crazier. Because it's going to be like, what the fuck was that about? - Well, I mean, even, even was that moment?

- I mean, even with, I don't know, I want to make this very clear. I'm not comparing Jack Harlow, Monica, to Kanye West, Edwitz, and Harbrake. But Kanye went back to rapping? - Like, you can do, you can do something as different though.

- After, it's fucking the love below. He went and wrapped over his different. He was already established as a man artist. - I was just going to say that, like, he was already established as a major artist, mega producer.

- Yeah, that's why I'm not comparing them. But in the same breath, I will say, which we talked about on the last episode when we were trying to figure out what this album was going to sound like. Jack Harlow is a, he sells out at the Barclay Center.

He does have a TikTok fan base, and I think he looked out at the crowd and probably was like, I hate the fans. Steve Lacy, true, I hate the people that I'm performing to. Remember we had that full conversation? Let's not act like Jack is also, I'm not a mega star, of course.

But anyone that sells out in Arena, I think you can put in a pretty high category, you know? - No, for sure. - But what you can't explain, when you're talking about somebody that is only doing 2,000 seats, which by the way, 2,000 seats is great.

But he's doing arenas. - Okay, so let's, and let's-- - He's not going to do arenas with Monica.

- Let's, but in that's, so that's what I was about to say, right?

So with, let's address the, he's doing arenas, because the way that music moves so fast these days, like, for example, if Gene Jackson came back right now or decided to drop something, she can do an arena. For the rest of her life, she will be able to do an arena.

If you have one hot project that will, and it was hot because of a couple of singles, and you were able to do an arena that year. Like, before this album, I don't know if Jack would have been ever doing an arena.

Like, I don't know if he would have been able to do an arena after Jack, man. I don't know if he would have been able to do an arena after now. So then you can't say he does arenas. Because that means you have a dedicated fan base

who will support you, no matter what. That's when makes you an established artist. I don't think that he has that. I don't think that he can release this album and go and do an arena, and his dedicated fan base will show up.

That's what make him established. I don't think he's there yet. Okay, I see your point.

Again, I think Jack, man, was more of a mixed state,

and it came out pretty quick afterwards, and was clearly just a quick, like I'm putting something out for my core fan base. If he would have stayed more in the lane of the kids' miss you, I think Jack would have still been able to do a arena.

Now, I would assume that he's going to, I hope purposely choose small venues to perform this. And then also, I don't know again how much of this music he created, that's also tough to perform when you didn't make this type of music. That's a lot of the allure of, I don't know, let me say allure,

A lot of the authenticity within the OSO is a lot of those artists

are producing that music. So those live shows hit a bit differently. When you're controlling the entire band, you're participating in every instrument. It's just a little different. I don't know how this looks,

and most of those artists have been doing venues for so long, they know how to control those crowds, they know how to put a show on. I'm not saying Jack doesn't, but doing first class in Barclays is a little different than controlling four shows in one night in Bluno,

where you have to play every instrument.

So I just don't know if it's going to come across. I don't know if he knows how to perform this yet. And he's a professional, not I'm sure he's probably rehearsing as much as he can and I just don't know how this is going to pivot. And who even knows if he doesn't give a fuck.

If he does SOBs, who goes and sees some SOBs, who is the consumer? That's a great question. That's why a woman that just left American apparel and went to get a lot to. I'm not sure.

Here's what Maul is saying is,

"This is the bad idea, that's not what I'm saying. This is the bad idea this album." All right, but here's the same experiment like this, Jack. Wait, too soon. You're kind of not wrong, though, because that crowd that followed him on TikTok,

Price never heard Neil so in their lives. And if you consider this diet Neil so some of those people may think that they just jack just tapped into a genre that no one's ever heard before, right?

Some people really might be like, "Yo, what this is?

This type of music is crazy, even if it is diet Neil so." And again, when you say have the women you're talking about, go to blue note once you want to watch Jack and look at Jack, like he's three stacks in love below.

Like I've never even heard anything like this.

But this was just too soon to experiment like this for Jack. Do you give him any respect for at this moment pivoting to something you think he in his words? I don't know. I mean, that's an artist. I respect Chris. Yeah, and I respect when artists take risks, you know, you got to believe in yourself, you had to have the utmost belief in yourself first

before the fans will believe in you. So I respect Jack for that. I mean, I just think that, you know, this was just such a hard pivot where it's like from his sound. It's like, I just think it was too soon to do that. I think you needed to give us one more, maybe two more bona fide, rap hip hop. Um, you could sprinkle in some R&B, even some Neo Soul vibes in that.

You think that you, uh, Mac Miller, the divine stuff, right? Which to me is more of a modern classic of that type of genre. Right. There's like Mac is rapping on that. You still got to hit with Anderson Pack. But then you have me. I'm not sold. Yeah. Joints on there should even the record with them.

Ariana Grande is a fucking real soul record. Yeah, I just think this was, this was too hard left. It was like, you know, and, and again, I respect artists taking risks. That's, that's, that's, you know, that speaks to an artist just believing in themselves. So I respect Jack there. But, you know, it's just somebody just listening and I press play on it on

the jack hall. I'm, I was not expecting this to be the out metal. So if you didn't know, it was Jack Harlow and you somebody just threw it on, would you like an ass like, oh, who's that? I'm like, yeah, Rimey Shannon's back. My god, Rimey. Stop. Yo, Rimey Shannon's back with the choice. What do you say?

Rimey Shannon, I have some reincarnation. Yeah. Oh, you know, the amount of people that were saying Jack Harlow's next album, which is gonna be canceled. What's the funny shit? Oh, yo. Dimares, I would ask, who is this? Yes, because I, I don't think it's bad music. I like Prague. All of my friends, hook is crazy. I like say hello. I like the project. But, but here's my thing. If you're going to go for the risk,

don't, Glenn Lewis, the entire project is safe. Like, that's what's weird about it. It's a risk

because you pivoted to Niel's soul with a beanie on and said you got blacker and then met monochrome. Like all of that is a crazy, crazy risk. But again, not comparing Jack to Andre 2000. But when Andre 2000 took that pivot, he went all the way. You got weird shit. Like happy Valentine's Day. Yeah, you got records that were digestible. Like, hey, uh, prototype. Like, you got things that the world could accept. But then you got love for the world. You got happy

Valentine's Day. You got all these, like, really pushing the genre forward. Instead of just

copy and pasting the word, this is the safest meal so I've never heard my life. That's, that's

really my, it's not bad music. But if you're going to take the risk, push the genre forward. Don't

Just cut every record is the safest meal.

What is safe? There's nothing on there that I was like, okay, I see you're trying to push you appreciate Neo Soul so much that you're trying to push it forward. This is a very, very safe nine records of what someone would think Neo Soul was in 2026. And I want to make it clear. I don't

think that's bad. It's good music. It's good. All my friends has incredible writing. Again,

say hello. I'll probably use to say hello. That's what I like, Prague is fire. I move along

with school. Every song is cool. What is safe? Yeah. So to me, when you're saying this is a risk, yeah, it's a risk. But it's the safest risk I've ever seen. Like, if you're going to do it, do it. Right. Well, I mean, get in the, like, I love the Robert Glassber was on it. But at that point, let's, let's tap in a little bit more. Let's, let's really try to push this. No, let's not. Okay. If, if you, let's just not go that deep, the hard left. Sprinkle the album with a

cup of Prague on album, but then get back into rapping. Not mad. Like, okay, like you slowly

introduce your audience to a different side of your different sound. Yeah. This is just straight up,

like, who is this? This is a whole different person. Although, we know we know why there was no single. Yeah. What an awkward. Oh, yeah. What am I super awkward? Yeah. I get it. But yeah, there's kind of no one for losing in that capacity. You put a single out. It's like, wait, what the fuck is going on? Then you get a full. Yeah, you kind of just had to put this out. But I mean, at the same time, though, the Will Smith segment that we cut, which I went back and saw that freestyle. And I think we

own more like a huge apology. We should have kept that sign on there. I don't know. I still. We all have to. Oh, I don't know. No, we know. We know. We all have to see that line on us. No, we see it. No, we, we said, what was that? He wasn't cloud chasing. Yes. He was. He was rapping over picking. I'm not saying.

First of all, that Will Smith freestyle is awful. I'm not saying Jack Carlos. I was awful. Our point

in the Will Smith segment was if this is what you want to do as an artist and you feel whole,

and this is what you want to do more power to you, bro. I mean, but that's what it's like.

Jack, if Jack feels better instead of he may have felt nasty after that Doja Cash sheet. Like, all right, I'm not really becoming a caricature of the same first class record. Let me put a beating on and go be a caricature somewhere else. But he may have felt whole with that. Maybe he feels like I want it to feel whole. Cool. Great. He can experiment great. Do all of those things, right? But we go sit in and laugh at joke about it like that 100%. That's just not it, Jack. Like,

we, we, we fuck with you, but come on though, this album is not what we expected. Respect the risk as an artist. Cool. Do that. But I just think that it was too, too far left and you had to ease the audience in the ears into this new Jack Harlow Monaco vibe. This was just like a complete, you know, reset and it's like a whole different person now. Yeah. I'm still going to laugh at Curtis Mayflower. Yeah. Come on, man. Q and on tip. Yeah. I'm laughing at all of that. Ju Hill. Yeah. Ju Hill is

fucking insane. They say they call America by do America by do Judaism. I will. America by do. I'm just calling it Judaism and just fucking relax. Oh, God. But someone did before we get get off this and get us some other music. Someone did post, uh, hip-hop by the numbers posted artists that have done like the shift, starting with Jack Harlow, Neil's old R&B. Post Malone, Drake with House Norr and B, Andre, they put Ambien New Age Jazz. I'm not. Bro, he was how many

albums in before Drake did that honestly number one out. That was really that far out of his chip. Kanye. Obviously with 808's little yaddy when he bit all of Child Sound. Childish Gambino. Cutty did some old rock shit, Wayne did a rock album. I don't like that they put Lauren Hill unplugged under folk soul, but I guess I get it. Snoop has done every genre you can think of. Every artist you name and was so established and so big pause when they decided to do that.

That's the difference. You have to establish an identity sound that people know you for when they

hear it or that's Jack Harlow. Like we were sitting there saying like, "Yo, what is it again? What is it going to sound like? What is this project is?" That we were still looking for that. We were still trying to figure out the Jack Harlow sound. So then they give us a completely different sound than we've ever heard from Jack. You confuse us even more now. Now we really don't know what it takes. What's the next album? I just told you, does it? It's just 30,000 instruments. You're

going to let us know that he can actually play now. Like what is it? What is the next? He cannot go back full rap hip hop next album. He can't. He had because even like, which Childish Gambino, if you have because of the internet going to awaken my love that was very much a funk album,

It wasn't that crazy because the internet had elements of that.

everyone does kind of ease their way. You have to. You have to. You have to. You can't have to.

It's a way to do it. I'm not mad. It's a way to do it. It's just a way to do it. And I think

this was he miscalculated. Yeah, because even like three stacks too. Like yeah, love below throw me off a bit, but it was like three stacks gave us a lot of rap and before he gave us the flu doubt. No, but I'm saying he also gave us a lot of rap and but also a lot of singing before he did love, but like there was elements like the Miss Jackson hook could have been on love below and it wouldn't, you wouldn't exact. Lint and I add exactly. Like oh, it's a way to like

all right. Three stacks in a wig. I don't think it's that weird. Right. This is on part. We get it.

We understand. This has always been a part of his thing. But yeah, I mean, I don't know this. This

is Jackson this year. Well, looking forward to the next project, Jack. Do we want to stay on the whites? Yes, sir. There's a big big weekend for the whites. Um, I don't know if you guys are big James Blake fans the way I am. I like James. James is disappointed me in the last few projects. As a big James Blake fan, I hated the Yaddy project as I'm before that kind of felt all over the

place. I think we got the James that I love back. Trying Tom's, trying Tom's, I'm two listens in.

And this is, this is the James. I like, full, full on producer James. And more of the R&B S stuff. I like his electronic stuff. I like the alternative stuff. But sometimes James just needs to give some harmonies and bring us all back. Sometimes experimenting is not good for your fan base. Like, sometimes you shouldn't do it out with little Yaddy. Yeah. Don't confuse the listeners. Don't confuse your fan base. I get it. But see, some people experiment and that shit pops off. Like, you

never know what James was experimenting with his popped off. I'm saying he left us for like two years.

Where I was like he was busy. He had to go to some other shit. I don't know what fan base he was serving. And I could be wrong. Yeah. I like more James R&B say he went in a different bag for the last couple of years that had confused me a lot. This is a really good. I got to check it out. I didn't hear this one. Yeah. Yeah. No, the whites. The whites try to give give you all some solos this week. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. You got to take it. Hopefully James gave us a little more soul. And where's

about James Blake? Yeah. That's that's authenticity. Yeah. You're right. I know who he is. Yeah. I know what to explain gently. Um, Alex, I was he put out a record west side. That's that's fire. She has the knowledge in his sleeve. One of, um, the finest. My bad. The most talented. You're right. Neon cool. Alex is very pretty. She's also very talented. Very talented. We don't have to

make it her looks all the time. Amazing voice. Yeah. She, I mean, she's I kind of want her and I know

she doesn't want to do this. I kind of want her to sit with the pop producers. Just give me one

year to sell out for a second and see what you could do. Because I think we get so full sell out music.

So full sell out music. Let me not all right. Sell out is the wrong bird of cross over shit of you would have made this anyway. But you're in there. Maybe we do one session with Benny Blanco, even though it's not really my guy. But just to see what you could do with your talent with what the machine producers could do. Because acting Alex could make the way we love Beyonce as far as pop music so authenticity, even though it's pop music, you know what time it is where I don't think

Alex is far from that, even though she stays in her lane as far as this type of music. Just one go. Give it three months. See what you come up with. I love Alex. I really think Alex is. It could be with her talent level. One of the biggest artists in the R&B pop world. For sure. Like, it wouldn't be me to you would not expect from her. But she has that. Yeah. Her talent is just different. Her tone is different. She, she would sing circles around these girls.

But notice how to pull it back where it's digestible, where you're not just cruning the entire time on some traditional horror b-shit. I'd like to see Alex do that. Even though I know she's not going to do that. But, you know, I didn't listen to the YG shit. So, forgive me there. Hate the West Coast. I don't know. I'm coming on. I'm having some. You just had to. You just had to go there, right? Sorry. You know,

even Jack Carlos Evans. Jack Carlos. Monica's heaven sent. Um, Monica. The shell had a scent. So I'll put on another record. He did, Dawson. And it's great. Wait, what the fuck is so hot doing, man? I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I just didn't hear

This record yet though.

are going to make the album. I think there's just a lot of loosey stuff that he's just getting the

attention back to his solo career. So, I can't wait. Even though he said soon on his album. Yeah, I'm not full. But he's been consistent. Every Friday we get a new solution.

No, that's why I'm saying it. I know. Bouncer is positive production. He's been great on that.

And can we pull up the La Russo clip before we get out of music just because I just think and sometimes when he's trying times, it's a lot going on, especially with global politics. And this is where artists like Pock, Chuck D. Michael Stevie. Everyone is as spoke of Marvin Gaye was going on. There's been artists that have stepped in to really put things in perspective for us.

And I think that's really what artistry is missing. So, I agree with La Russo and his statement

in starting this, where his engineer said, "You don't drop this." And saying, "No, man, this is the point of artist. This has been missing in artistry. We got to take a stance. We have to calm the world down and explain things." And I was ready. And then he started the record. I made this record and I sent it off to my engineer. He calls me. He said, "Man, you probably shouldn't put this out." I said, "What the hell happened?" He said, "You know,

you're talking about emptiness, a lot of shit going on." And I said, "Thank you for calling me.

I'll find a drop this." That's what they said about this. That changes before. That's exactly

why we needed. Because everybody's sitting beside it. And the goal of an artist is to express to times. And that's because, say, all the things that nobody else want to say or know how to say. I'm not perfect. I don't know how to say it. And neither is the president. Was guilty or didn't a nigga hiding evidence. You can't be mad that they hated it if you don't let them think. Even a devil was having sin. Even Malcolm was having sin. Even Martin was having sin.

Even Kanye was having sin. We all haven't sinned. Donald II. We all haven't sinned. We all haven't sinned. We all haven't sinned. We all haven't sinned. I wonder if I am. Even you. Even you. Even you haven't sinned. They said that. They said I was having sinned. Who said that, tomorrow? No, we're about a year old, no. You were pissed me off the most about this. Wasn't F-steener at all for any of that. It was that he brought me into it.

Even you. Even I was questioning myself. You know, even you. Love the Russell, man. So do I. But that doesn't mean he can't get jokes to. No, he can't. Listen. And nobody is. We support it. Love the Russell. Yeah. This was nuts. Your engineer was correct. And she was there. I'm just saying. Wait, but that wasn't the whole song. Was it? No, it matter. It was a big chunk of it. He might have gave us some bottle. That might be some balls in it.

But that was also like, all right. Yeah. Sounds nuts and he's definitely not using heaven sent the correct way. But the speech I was with him all the way. Like nah, if if your team is scared, the engineer's scared. Maybe you actually have some. Like that. I was not mad at this. This is a point where artists need to say some. And then he went on to say absolutely fucking nothing. But that's the whole song though. No, it's not the whole song. But like we got hit or wreck it. No, I'm cool. Actually. But what if he getting off though? Like what if he the record is like, he really saying some shit though.

You're going to come back and walk around like, now I just say they got kind of he not really saying he was when he was first or anything.

Like he was just. That's not like the hook. There was some verse in there. He's going to explain a Iranian gas prices and throwing bombs on. I don't know. I don't know what you're saying. I feel like we've heard the Russell songs. We've heard of some of his music. You know, he does a great job despite what you understand. Okay. Yeah, a lot in his music. Yeah, that's what I said. This is, I get it. You know, I'm saying Epstein to even I get it. Everybody's talking about that. It's kind of crazy to say.

If he was ever said, I think that thing is the devil. But the devil was an angel once, right?

He felt now from heaven, right? That's the, that's how the story goes on. Yeah. So in order to believe in and I said, God, you got to believe in a dough. Okay. And again, this, this isn't a religious podcast, but anyone that is Christian respect and believe if you believe that everyone is seven cent. That's cool. Why did I need that information? What was groundbreaking about telling me that Epstein was created by God?

That's why we need to rest for the summer. What's what? Like you might tie it all in. All right. So after everything at the time, we should stop. You know what? I think about it. Oh, like he was also heaven said. I'm just saying we got to hear the rest. Like, you know what? You maybe, maybe he should babysit.

It's not, no, no, no.

That's what I'm saying. Get the joke, so let's get the joke, so, but let's also hear the rest of the record. Okay. Strange roll out. I mean, he's, he had to put those the weekend or strange roll out.

He said, the Bhagola, you know, means if I wanted to preview his new song, you know what I mean?

But I mean, it's a little weird. It's like, whoa, okay, but let him land it. We need to go out

and go to an opportune news to land the record. What Chuck English, who's an amazing producer.

Chuck says, don't lose me, though. He retweeted me. And then Larissa replied, explaining what he was trying to say in the song. He said, what do you all think I'm saying in the song? Is it the truth that's bothersome? Or is it what you think I'm saying? I'm saying every human was made by God, even the evil ones, even going to hell alongside some of y'all uncles, daddies, and favorite rappers. All right, so I still stand with, okay.

He made a point. No, he didn't. How? If I make a song, that thing, what's the point? The sky is blue, the sky is blue. Now I'm saying, the sky is blue, even you can see that the sky is blue. What the fuck is the point of that song?

I'm saying, we got to head west to the song. I'm saying what he said in response to with Chuck

English said, he's right, though. Every human was made by God, even the evil ones. That's the fact, even the niggas going to hell alongside some of y'all uncles, daddies, and favorite rappers.

What is false about what he said? It's not about it being false. That's what I'm saying.

I'm saying what he said, the Chuck was arrested on the seventh day, okay. Like, that's the day. Okay, but there's Matt facts, but if I'm saying wrong, that's what I'm saying. We don't know how to be okay. So I don't, you're, you're not wrestling this. Yeah. It doesn't matter that what he, it's not about what he's saying, not being wrong. It's about what's the point. There's no point in me making a song that says

more shirt is green. Well, we didn't hit the song. That's what I'm saying. We got to hit the rest of the song. We didn't do this at this point. Yeah, and my thing. That could be the song. You, that could be the song we just heard right up like you're making a revolt record, the way fight the power was like that he's explaining why artists are so important. And then you just give me a bunch of shit that's like, okay, why did I need to know that Epstein is, okay, now what?

Why, why is my perspective different now? Here. It's the world. Look at like, oh, that's never

that was the song. Then it's like, hi, what the fuck was that? If that is the song. That's the full record that he just, we just heard. Then it's like, what the fuck is it? What is the rest of talking about? But it is more to it. And he makes it, he ties it on and makes it makes sense. Then we're going to be sitting here having to talk about the record. He's like, okay, I didn't even see Chuck English's reply until literally just now. And he's saying what DeMaris said. So water is wet.

What's the reason or the point that you tried to make? Yeah, he said you've been to heaven. Oh, no. Joe spit a kind of kill. He said it wasn't even good enough for you to come out with the song. Like, if you're going to try to be an introspective artist, you got to pick up a book and read and expand your vocabulary. You can't make elementary music and then try to rap like nice. And I'm not saying that about the Russell as a whole. I guess my thing is even when Kanye

has went off the deep end on shit that I didn't agree with what he was doing. He at least gave some context and some explanation like, I don't agree with what you're saying, but it's coming somewhat from a place that you have some points to make, even if we disagree with them. Like, I didn't agree with everything Kanye did at the TMZ office in van put him in his places and that. But at least Kanye was trying to make some points from another perspective that I didn't agree with.

But there was some substance to his points, even though he got them from Candice and Tucker, he was just regurgitating what they were saying. There's still was something behind what he was saying.

Just telling me that Epstein was made by God. Okay. What should I do with that now?

Yeah. So I guess we'll see Mars the point. Maybe he cleans it up in the rest of the song if we get there. If that's that, if that's the talent, it has a great perspective. No, it's make us this rigorous. If that's the full song, I'm which with the fuck is the Russell talking about. If that's the full song, I'm saying if it's not, then we got to hate a full record and they're like, okay, maybe he made title in to make it make sense. Because I thought he's about to rap. He's just sitting there.

So I'm saying which we need is that the record, if not, let us hear the full record. But can we joke about it? Oh for sure. Absolutely. Do we think I'm not going into any of the conspiracy stuff? I just do think it's crazy how the timeline has turned on the Russell post-rotation sign. What a timeline wasn't really worried about the Russell pre-rotation signing. No, I mean, not the not music fan. The the

gossipy timeline now cares more. Yeah, it's just interesting that the choices that have been made

Post at like a Russell choices as far as music.

watched full strings full YouTube videos of his backyard. Like I've never heard him get in the

Wayne shit or say Epstein was like, it's just bad timing. I'm not on the side that I think rock

nation is telling him to make these moves. I'm not that psychotic. I think y'all get rock nation way too much credit. I really think rock nation like talks to the Russell as much as you guys think he does. It's just now with the lights on with the timeline that's only dedicated to killing people and ruining their careers, especially if they have some connection to rock nation. You've made some choices, though. What do you mean? Because you made nothing but positive choices

for the last seven years I've been watching you. And now you're doing this arguing or creating values arguing with fucking everybody. Yeah, just be the positive human being that you are.

It's not walking uphill. That wasn't him trying to be the positive human being. No, it's a way to be positive.

So way to be positive and a way to just like, no, don't do it that way. Yo, y'all look crazy. That wasn't him being positive. I'm just asking was that not him being positive? What's that? Pastor positive where they're embezzling money through the church and just say everyone's fine? I don't understand the correlation. I don't think you're positive because you say Epstein is

evidence of it. I think you can draw the line to be a positive person and say and not say that. Especially when you don't, because you say that I think I think it's when when pastors get and I'm saying that about Larissa, but I think when pastors get on their positivity shit, it starts saying everyone is God sent and God has every reason for everything. Sometimes you just using that as a cop-out. The cop-out to what? To be trying to be positive. Like, no, some people are just

just saying they should burn in hell. No, that's what he said. Like, I don't even want to put

the word heaven near none of y'all. True, but when I'm saying is you saying he's not being positive, even if you know somebody, you feel like he shouldn't be trying to be positive about. He should say that opera and ballet are the greatest genres of all time. So only way to be positive. Okay, let's put. Well, I get what you're saying, but I think that he's just saying that you can be positive,

but when you know that you know when he came on and said that he knew what the reaction would be. And then to feed into the reaction with more negativity when people are sending negativity or wait, it sounds like a rage baiting us for attention. That's what one could take at us. So sometimes people are, are saying the rage bait saying that. The rage bait is talking about like saying that eight off Hitler, obscene all of these people are sent by God. That's, yes, that would

rage bait people because you know that people are going to, the people are going to, you know, push back on that. And then when people push back rightfully so, you're then arguing with them. You're not leading with love in that. Like, you're just baited us. And I think those types of whether they be outraged or clickbait or something like that should post questions for conversation, which I think Kanye has done even when he's been wrong. Conversation actually happens. What is

the conversation we're having here? Yeah, nothing. A bunch of nothing. But I did have a blast texting all my friends at rock nation this morning. Good morning. Happy Monday. You're having said. You're so silly. See, that will shake positivity. You just like the pastor. Well, you think you're a positive person? Me? Yeah. You think I'm a positive person? I see positivity in you. You think I'm negative? You think I've ever been negative?

You have a negative size sometimes. I don't think you're a negative person. I mean, you're all have a negative size. But like, that's okay. So that's what I mean. I don't think you're a negative person. I was saying you can't think I'm a negative person. I think you're optimistic. I think you're very optimistic.

I mean, I think you have to be in this world, no? I think sometimes people can use pessimism as a

you know, as a defense mechanism shield. Yeah. Oh, you don't think I'm one of those people. No, you're not pessimistic at all. You guys are like the Yin and the Yang like optimism, self-deprecating pessimism. I'm positive pessimism. What is negative about?

What the fuck is positive pessimism? I mean, yes, I'm pessimistic for sure. I would never say otherwise.

But I don't like you literally said your pessimistic. I know. I'm pessimistic, but only with certain things in regards to myself. I don't look at every everyone else in a negative way. It's more of a to her point. Self-deprecation. I don't like, I do have positives. So I think you can be okay. I think your pessimistic when it comes to everybody else too. But I think pessimistic and negativity is two different things. I think negativity can be a bad thing.

I think pessimistic is you don't really believe in people as a whole. You think we're going to believe in people? You don't think he believes in anyone. Please, you don't think I believe in anyone? No, I know. I think you believe emotional orange did 15,000 seats in self-deprecation. No, that's not like that. I'm not 100 views on

Sound.

about he's photoshopped his face on Beyonce's ass 20 years ago and he's he's here because I believe in

him. Yeah, the see it. He had to see it. I'm talking about, "Demeras, you never wanted to do podcasting.

I think you're the best female podcaster period." Yeah, like, lock her in. You got a boxer in. Give her a hug. I think he said, "Well, female," right? Yeah, put her in a box though. Yeah, well, women do. I mean, that's of course. No, I don't, I think you believe in people's talents. You're very amazing as Spotted Talent. You know, thanks for my job, all of that cool stuff. I mean, as people, I think sometimes you see like, you know, always believe in the good of people.

Oh, no, well, that's, I mean, that's a childhood trauma. Yeah, not not talent-wise, but that's managing expectations because in my early 20s, I was like, "Let me not be that way and trust everyone." Yeah, it didn't work out for you. Well, I should have been like, you know, I should have just been my teenage self. So that's where that comes, but in like business and stuff, I'm not pessimistic with everything, I just manage expectations for myself.

Because I know how that, I know how that should go. So like, this isn't pessimistic in saying, it's actually like a fact. Usually it's not going to work out. Usually, it's not going to work out. It's cliche, but I have failed 10,000

times succeeded twice. Like, it's usually not going to work out. So you should manage your expectations

in that regard. Yes, it's pessimistic, but it is also realistic. You should also always have that

drive of this could be the one because it could be the one. Yeah, but don't think every time, like, but don't sell it. Let's go early. Yeah. Like, it probably won't work out. And that's okay if you're viewing it in that type of way. Right. It's not going to be the end of me if this doesn't work out. Okay. So yeah, that's kind of a defense mechanism. Don't get my hope. So because I'm probably, I've been let down more than I've been. Yeah. You know, okay.

Mall, you know what your pessimistic and negative when it comes to love? It's super. That nigga don't believe in nothing. That's not true. Everybody cheat in the mall. That's not true. Every, you know what she did that. She cheated. She just went to go to her nails done on the

summer when I was wrong though. Tell me when I've ever said somebody was cheating wasn't doing

something right and I was wrong. Well, just because you haven't been proven wrong or right, doesn't mean you weren't. No, I've been proven right. I've been proven right. I've been proven right. I've been proven right. We may go say I even proved right. I've been proven right. I'm not saying I don't don't say that. I don't think everybody cheats. I don't, I don't know everybody just say that. But I can spot the relationships. I'm like, come on, man. Cut this shit. Have just have fun.

We get it. It's a moment. But we notice this two-shot pass. That's all I'll be trying. This two-shot pass. I believe in love. I've seen people in love. I know people in love. I've been in love. I get it. But like, where we said, it's probably not going to work out. It's just not. Even if you're married for 15 years, the 16th year you got divorce. But that kind of is the beauty of young people. They have like this false sense of like, oh, this could work out. Yes. It's

anything. It's so beautiful. You still have that. It could, right? But it probably won't. That's

all. That's where I'm at. It's not like, I believe in love. I believe that you should be in love,

fall in love, find love. Love is beautiful. You need love. I get that. But come on, we know. We have, we all have examples of people that we were like damn, like they love each other. And then one day, you were like, what happened to you? Oh, you know, you're irreconcilable differences. But you are pessimistic, blah, blah. She's not wrong. Hi, here. You're going to stick my love because you tend to lean more towards it, not working out than it working out. That's not true, though. I just speak. And like,

you think all like women for the most part, she. I know what you said. I don't even know what I is to tell the nigger. I'd be like, more, that's not like, not every girl is fucking someone. Like, sometimes it just doesn't work out. No one cheating. It just works. Not every woman is sleeping with somebody. Yes, a lot of that be jokes. I don't believe that every woman is a cheater. But some of you holes. I'm right about. And that's what I'm saying. Some of you holes I'm right about. But I think

my pessimism with business comes from a very shady and disgusting business. That's why I think that

way. It's not all businesses. It's this one. Yeah, but people are shady. Do you know what I'm saying? You as far as relationships and what you've been exposed to at a young age is a genre where dating and long-term relationships doesn't work out. Whereas the merits and I have been on the other side is common, common folk and, you know, just pedestrians over here. We've seen love work. You've been in entertainment worlds your whole life. And those relationships usually don't work out.

We've seen people be college sweethearts and go on and have 10 kids and be happy. I've seen

People be college.

happened. Yeah, for sure. I'm just saying, and that's what I'm just saying. A higher clip of

that than what you were exposed to at a young age and stayed. You stayed in a world where relationships

don't really work out. And now we've entered that world and we see it, too. Yeah. Okay, so I'm not wrong. No, it's not that you're not. No, you're just in your world. You're not the whole world and that's

not the whole world. Oh, I don't. Oh, okay. That's the whole world. I can never speak for the whole world. I don't

know the whole world. I'm just saying that like you, some more times and not things don't last or work out when it's people in love, married, like we see it. You get married great. Happy for you as great. And then something happens. People fall in love and they also fall out of love. But I think that there's a beauty even in falling love, even in falling out. I think there's a beauty in both. So beauty in falling out if you shut it out on only if you've tried to make your work. Yes.

Then it's like, okay. Just go separate. Be happy. Go find love again. Go be happy again. Like, that's when it's beauty and falling out of love. That's only cool in movie scripts. It literally destroys your entire nerves. No, it does. You, you'll find love again. She'll find love again. Like, y'all can go on to be happy. I'm literally becoming different. Because that co-parent have great co-parent. I know some people that have a better relationship as co-parent and they did, and they wouldn't have them.

Yeah, because then you know the beautiful thing about co-parent is that you get days off of being a parent.

If y'all both live in the same house at the same time, there's never days off being a parent.

No, of course, never a day off. I mean physically where you don't have your child. That's what I mean.

Like, of mentally, there's never a day off. But if y'all both live in the house at the same time, like, that child is always with us. But if you got our Tuesday through Thursday, and I got our Friday through Sunday or Monday, it's late. I get days off while the break. Yeah, they're safe. Yeah, they're safe with their other parent. Yeah. That's why I co-parent. Like, oh, it's cool. I get, I get to take time for myself. I get it. I love when the two people that don't have kids talk about co-parent. I'm sorry that that's not your experience.

If you can't, you know, relate. But I've heard that from co-parent. Oh, no, for sure. No, I hear you. I do want to, can we get like a very loud round of applause? I think Doja Cat is the first woman to ever take a kind of belly. Doja Cat very high on our, our rapper list of Doja Cat. But I think she, I'll die for Doja. I'll die for Doja. You die for Doja and there's no good. I'm going to make that merge. Doja. Each thought it was funny. This is a monumental thing. Like, I think the way Hove did that

Samsung thing where he sold a million albums before the album even came out was like, we got to put

him higher up on the rapper shit because he did that. I think a woman taking accountability for the first

time in her entire life. Kind of was Doja higher up on the female rap list to me. Like, this is a monumental moment. And I'd like to embarrass to read this just so it can come, you know, from a female voice.

Because I've never heard, I've never heard a woman say this before. So I want to hear it from like that.

Give the back story. The woman not taking accountability. Angle is so old because we all know that a snake is that don't take accountability. Was sure. All right. We're not going to be in therapy. We don't even know. Maybe that is true right now. We're talking about women in their accountability. So stop trying to deflect and talk about us. So you can't say you echo your criticism of Timothy Chalame and says that her outrage was quote unquote virtual signaling and quote, I've never been to a ballet.

I've never seen an opera. I took it upon myself yesterday to kind of give it to the man because there was a culture based around outrage and things like that and people want to feel like they're a part of something. It's a need to connect with a good or bad. What I was doing yesterday was virtual signaling because I wanted to connect and I knew that Timothy's goof up was something that I could leverage in order for people to connect with me and fuck with me. She continued and it's easy. It's a modern way to

gun or clicks like approval and all kinds of things like that from people. And so I did that yesterday and I didn't really think about why I was doing it. I don't know anything about opera. I don't know anything about ballet and I've never been to either shows. That was that was all. That was beautiful. J.O. Jokes aside. I know we're making the woman thing. That was just a joke. This is one of the greatest things I've ever read. That was any human being. We've all been guilty of this to just

hold on. To hear a fucking ain't no, I'm dead asked to hear at ALICE artists like admit this shit because this is everybody on the fucking Internet. That's so don't. Y'all do not care about the things your outrage about. No. Like the fact that she flat out admitted this is of course the internet kind of ignored this because the internet is this. You guys all get outrage about shit. You do not care about. You have no interest in. You've never been to a ballet or that's just

a metaphor for everything. You've never been to a ballet. You don't care. You just want to get some feedback that you're a good person when someone fucks up. At least I'm not them. It's called trolling. No, this isn't trolling. This is the-- No, no, no, no, no. Which she was doing virtual signaling or whatever. That's just trolling. trolling to me is more on the joke side. Like we

Troll Jack Harlow now.

virtually-- Virtue signaling is like more here, right? Yeah, it's more like, guys, like, oh my god, I'm so much better than you look like you're-- I can't believe you did that. Yeah. Like, oh my god, I can't believe that black lives matter. Like let's look at let me post a black square so it shows that I care even though I'm in my house doing nothing. Yeah, I look at all that is trolling.

Because I never believe it. But I never believe in it. I hate Gen Z. Like dialogue, but this one

does make more sense to me because I think trolling and virtue signaling are drastically different. Trolling's funny. Whatever, troll away, make jokes. But this rolling-- I hate people that try to make themselves be better than everyone else off a topic they don't give a fuck about. In the fact that an A-list artist admitted this to me, I think Doja Cat really deserves like flowers for having that moment. That was gangster. You don't gangster, baby, do you, you okay?

We've all done this shit. No, we know what's really meant. Let's stop saying that. Don't speak for me. We have not all done that. Don't what? Virtue signaling. Not maybe for like real serious issues, but she just said, well, I don't care about the opera. I did that shit because I needed some attention. I needed attention that day so I did it. You kick somebody's back in horribly. Kick somebody's back in about something when everybody was already on top of them

to make it seem like you were a better person than them. Not everybody should.

I refresh all of our mentions. That's what's happening every day. I think most people have done

at least wanting that life on that in that, for sure. Okay. Yeah. I think that shall I are applauding somebody for admitting that they didn't score any shit. Just do the corny shit and then you don't have to admit it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But that needs to be applauded. When you call yourself out for no one who's doing something shit because they just nobody, be able to do that. So for somebody and then somebody like Doja to do that,

yes, I applaud that. I definitely do. She's not a whole bunch of other corny shit.

She definitely has a job. She won a hundred percent. 100 percent. I'm just saying this is a start.

This is a start. She's a mid. She's a virtual signaling. Whatever. She was wrong. She was doing it for engagement. People connect and fuck well. Even this, but this is the thing, even this apology is not, but don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. But even this apology is virtual signaling. Is it? Don't do that. Because after all the internet would look at this tension, I just wanted attention and I wanted

people to give me attention. So I kicked the man's back in. I shouldn't have did that. You know, nowadays, this is a modern way to garden or clicks likes and attention. And we shouldn't do that. And we should be that it's even your apology is virtual signaling. No, she made it about her chain and say anyone else. She said, I did this shit. Yeah. I did it. Why was it? It was

virtual signaling because I wanted to connect. I'm sorry. You got to make that bigger post. And I knew

that Timothy's goof up was something that I could leverage an order for people to connect with me and fuck with me. She and say, you know, yeah, we're doing this. She made it all about her picture. Based there is a culture based on her marriage is like that and people want to feel like they're a part of something. Don't just say that she's talking them. Don't change the subject. You said that she didn't address anybody else. And she did. There is a culture based around

outreach and things like that. And people wanting to feel like they're a part of something. It was not just about her. Well, I just did this. Okay. It's bringing up the masses and all of this. You're stupid. You're missing. Yeah. You're missing. All right. Yes. They're. I'm not. She's saying that

there is a culture based around our age, which I think everyone in this room can agree. Of course.

And she's saying, I have felt victims that meet. I have fallen into that culture of the outreach shit where I just needed some dopamine that day. I need to feel like I was better than someone else. I was fucking up at the time. Even though I don't give a fuck about ballet or opera, I'm going to look like the better person. In this story, I care of. Like I appreciate that. Message Timothy into and text because I'm setting a message Timothy up this. This exact message

message. You're not on the side of if I do some public apology as we public? No. Message Timothy about how you're doing. It depends for me. Just come out and say, yo, yo, I'm not going to lie. What I've said about Timothy was corny. That's it. All the explanation of all this shit. But do you not think it's important for, especially with Dojikat stan fan base as well. And the culture that is of this whole thing that this was not

important to say. Say admit that people do this. Sure. I just don't just don't just don't do it in the beginning. Just just don't do it anyway. It wasn't like she was kicking his back in about him being a racist or something of that nature. Him being a woman. They were kicking that with

real topics. I'm saying she did it with some she didn't give a fuck about which I think everyone

does the internet every day. I'm not so about real fucking real shit. You're talking about colorism. I know for a fact you care about colorism. Where's all about things that people do not care about? All of a sudden you're just on the internet going in all that you don't care about this. You don't. Okay. And it's all right. You're just trying to look like a better person. No, and I agree. I agree. I like do that, but they're corny people. So I'm not. So this is my thing. This was corny. What she

did was corny. So I'm not. She was corny. Okay. But I'm not. We're just going to applaud her for admitting that she was corny when you're just being corny. You're still rewarding cornyness. Okay. All right.

The mayor should not.

applaud someone for saying yo, I was corny. That's what you're supposed to do. I'm saying in this

day and age on the internet in 2026, we do need to highlight somebody finally saying yo, I did some corny

shit that everyone does on the internet all the time. It's weren't different tops. You don't need to,

but I think at this point, everyone needs to look at this and go, oh yeah, this is pretty much the

entire time on. Okay. I like apologies when they come a while after you did something because that means that you've grown. It's no La Russo. If you know if you're admitting that it's corny now, you knew it was corny when you did it. Like if it took years and you was like, hey, I grew up, I didn't know back then, but I'm better now. This is an apology. I said, okay, but I said she was corny when you did it and then you just like come out and admit it. I think people get in the habit on the internet

of doing corny shit so much that they get so used to it that they don't think they're corny anymore. So you said in the apology, she should have let it breathe. No, I don't even think that she should have

let it breathe. What I'm saying is I'm not your apology means nothing because you knew it was

corny when you did it. If you can come out a week later and say, hey, that was corny. You know, it was corny. Yeah, but a week later, a month later, year later, what's the difference? Because at least in a year, she could say, hey, I didn't know it was corny then, but I grew. Now, she was like, you know, I've done it. I've done corny shit in real time. She apologized. I was doing some corny shit. If she apologized, 10 years later, I would say,

you know what she actually apologized to. Even if she apologized 10 years from now, I said, I would be like, yo, she knew that was wrong when she did that. Like, I just can't believe a celebrity actually admitted this. I'm not saying she needs to be applaud. The same way men say, you, I take care of my kids. We like, you want to be applauded for that. I'm just saying,

I think in this day and age, it's cool to hear somebody admit this shit.

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There were some people that really cared about some of these comments. No, they didn't. No, there were some people in the world who really did care about them. No, there you go. Niggas is just want to be outraged and upset about something. Why are you acting like this? It's not, I'm not talking about just random people in the internet. I'm talking about people in the field that spit their whole life study in the field that he shitted on. There were some people who had a

reason to be upset about what he said. Like, just because it doesn't apply to you. Like, what did he say?

When he was talking about how opera is not and put, let me get the direct quote. He was basically

not shitting on opera's importance, opera and ballet's importance. Performing arts. There are people who are performing arts who do care about that type of thing. I think there's a difference between, between saying, it should die or it is dying. Oh, no, that's a total layer. So I'm not sure we can talk about a fact, right? Is this the quote? Is this the quote he said? I don't want to be working in ballet or opera or you know things where it's like, hey, keep this

thing alive, even though it's like no one cares about this anymore. Yeah, I'll respect to the ballet and opera people out there. I just lost 14 ships, 14 cents in viewership. I just took shots for no reason. And he said it in a joking way, whatever. Cool. If someone feels away about that, I'm not not here to tell you not to feel away. But at that point, yes, it is a a dying art on Broadway to get prices keep going way too high. It's a lot of people not passing that art form down to their

kids. So kids don't care. We're supposed to make kids care about opera in ballet. Yes, actually, I make kids care about a whole lot of shit that don't really matter. Authentic, authentic like theater, authentic art and performance art. Yes, we should make your kids think care about those type. Even when it was popular, it was still a very small percentage of kids that ended up carrying about it. No, it's not true, it's that it was available to a very small percentage of

funnel and try to raise money for their art departments. Now, because not a lot of kids cared about it, but because a lot of kids couldn't afford to care about it. They couldn't afford to be exposed to it.

That's been going off for years. Okay, the highest form of ballet can be in a theater, right?

Two and extended. Modern Lee, it could be. Can you tell me a time where opera and ballet sold out

In a renaissance or a stadium size or like what do you like I don't understan...

He didn't say anything wrong. It's a dying art form. Like even at its peak, it only sold so many

tickets. I'm not taking away from the art of it. I think that's what I think that's what everyone's

missing in this whole thing. No one is saying opera is an important or ballet is an important. Matter of fact, Kanye West dedicated one of the greatest hip-hop albums of all time to ballet. ballet is super important. But to say it's not a dying art form when at its peak, it was only selling 2,000 tickets. I don't really know every art form is dying that was doing

10 billion streams. Now something that only sold 2,000 tickets at its prime were supposed to sit

here and go, "Oh, what's going on?" Okay. I'm not the person to argue that for you. You just told me with Jack Harlow when he sold out the barclays. Is he going to sell it out again? Those aren't real fans. You can only fill up so much of a size theater for ballet or opera. Okay. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not the 100. Yeah. When Shakespeare was around, maybe they were doing the Colosseum. I don't know. I'm just saying in the modern time.

Like, what did Timothy say that was so crazy? Fire. That's one of how many artists and others I remember. Roddy very rarely did performances here though. So I can understand what I was such a big event. So I get that. So it's Timothy's fault. Like, he's

influencing kids watch Timothy and what you know what? Fuck Bella. No, it's kind of about him.

It's not about him influencing anything. People, all I'm saying is that the people in an art form can be allowed to say that can be allowed to be outraged that you said that there art firm that they worked their whole life towards is dying or that there's not a lot of people into it or that he doesn't even know who came from it. He doesn't want to stay in it. Like, people can look at that and be offended. That's fine. Cone and made a hilarious joke in his

monologue when he brought that up and he said the only thing Timothy said wrong was he forgot jazz.

Which is funny. And they were saying that about jazz until hip-hop showed up. Yeah. Because hip-hop revamp jazz if we be a real. Yeah, use that when it's on me.

Yeah, a sample. I started getting it jazz music because of hip-hop. I wasn't sitting there

just researching jazz. Hip-hop got me into that. Shit. Some of the stuff that just blazes sample from opera singers, I've looked into because of hip-hop. To sit here and act like opera and ballet have this crazy PR and it's just us young kids hitting on it to get rid of it. It's just like insane to be. So it's a dying form. You know, just like music. It's okay. It's like, like, you know him or something. Yeah, this is good. That's the got to be his guy.

That's my guy fresh to me. Yeah, I think it's the same blood. I mean, Mr. Copeland kind of revamping and made black girls fall in love with ballet again. You know, ballet is fine. But it's a very, it's a very niche, very, you know, unique art form that not a lot of, you know, kids are into any more so. Yeah. Yeah, we're Mr. Copeland. They said that was a shot at, at Timothy. I'm sure Timothy, laugh at that. Yeah, go get the greatest ballerina. I'm sure he enjoyed that

performance. Yeah. I get it. But that's why we shouldn't let ballet and things die out. We should

encourage the kids to go into it and stuff. I mean, ballet, that's just a way for you to have extra free time after school. Yeah. And even if you get to the right. It's very, very hard to keep pushing your kids unless they fall in love with it. But like, you know, how many little girls I know was into ballet at one point? I'm like, yeah, when do you have something to do with it? Like when she they do ballet in nine years. And you know what, to look what showed you how to go through with

save the last dance, just to get an enjoy the art. Like, I'm not putting my kid through that. ballet is like, like, remember karate classes? Yeah, it's yes. How many of these niggas that was in karate classes? I don't want to get that like boat. That's a perfect example. I mean, you don't want to get that. Some of them end up being ninjas. Yeah. But that's like one out of every 10,000 kids. But they're more ninja warriors than ninjas. Like, more niggas have completed

the ninja warrior gauntlet. Every little girl added something to every little boy had a yellow belt. Some people want to do the yellow belt. Some people became ninjas. But it's very small. Like, you're making a career out of it. They give you a yellow belt if you could do a roundhouse. Like, like, I love, you know, I love the movie, whiplash. I watched that shit. It's based off a true story. I was like, all right. So this guy after he, he bleeds through his hands. What's the

end goal here? Nick can't let the end of drum line unless you about to be a producer. Like, you about to be in a marching band with the rest of your life. Yeah. You know, karate classes and ballet classes definitely the same thing, the same art form, same art form. I'll give it to you. It is though. I'm just saying, like, I get it over there. You know, I, I, I, I top five, uh, ballet dance. Oh, God, that should have so corny. I hate when you do that.

That's so corny.

be respected or that it's a dying part. We are respected, though. I expect something is not dying,

just because you aren't a fan of it. I will, who's, whoever said that. I was very clear inside, every genre. I listen, I can't. That one's been dying. But you got to tell me, you had a name, one person you noticed in the ballet. Just the money you personally. In your context, somebody that you met. Not all ballet teacher. Shout out to her. That old couch is a ballet teacher. I'm talking about one of your own girls. That's like, yo, Alex, Alex just went to the ballet last week.

Alex. Shout out, money, Gucci. Yeah. And right it. I would go to a ballet. Yeah. I would go to opera too. I'm not going to that shit, man. I've been, I haven't, I don't see the whispers before I go to. The chocolate nutcracker, Debbie Allen. If I had access to, or the money to do some of those things,

I definitely would. That's what I was done on. That's what I said. I said,

they raising ticket prices, everything like Hamilton was the first fucking Broadway play that they got busted in kids from New York City public schools to sit in the fucking messaging. Like that's a snob. That's what I hated the most about it. Because that's the snobiest fucking world on earth.

And now you all want to play victim. You're all the snobbs that never wanted us around you.

Now the sun is like, oh my god, Timothy said this. Bitch, you've never even wanted any of us around you. It's a thousand dollars to go to that shit. Shut up. But, okay. He wasn't telling you to shut up. No, I know he wasn't. But okay. We're not going to, he can't name one ballet. Do you think I was talking to her? She can't name a ballet person. That's somebody that's studied performing arts. It's definitely been something that, you know,

it's a very niche group of people that really followed that from middle school high school college and go all the way to actually performing. First, sure. And my only, my only thing with that is a lot of it has to do with access and money. No, 100%. It's not necessarily interesting. Money,

it's, it's, it's, I think a lot of dancers that we know that like, you know, going to a dance

for a lot of our favorite artists, a lot of them studied. Yeah. And they come from the ballet world

and they study dance and things like that. But to actually stick and like really perform like how Misty did ballet all the way through that is very rare. Very rare. But again, I say, from my culture, I think the dancers that are on tour of Beyonce are more inspired by Sierra than they are ballet dancers. A lot of that too. But they're trained. There's a lot of friends. Oh, that's what I was Sierra is one of the greatest dancers of all time. It's a trained dancer. Yes. But to

close this, I will say Timothy is from a building that subsidized artists to live there because it was a dying art in 1970. He's from Manhattan Plaza. They made it for artists that were working on Broadway doing ballet opera performance. They could get cheap rent because it was a dying art form in 1970. His building is based off a dying art form, which I think is beautiful. I love Manhattan Plaza. But to have the kid that grew up in a building that is based off an art form dying to say,

hey, I think the art form is dying is nuts. Give the kid a break. That's what I'm saying. Okay.

You know, instead of all the whites, this episode, man, you got your cape off of the whites, Jack, Tony's day. Tony's day. Tony's day. Tony's day, baby. Listen, I seen Kyle in the building yet. Kyle, who, Jenner? Yeah. Well, you got, I'll see Kyle in the block. Kyle won't be on that blow. Kim, no, Chloe went to South Jamaica. She was with, you know, how did he think he got the stripes like that? Not they call him French Timmy in the building. French Timmy. How are

them? I don't know if I'm that ass they're gonna fight you. No, Timmy think I stay in the building to be right. How are the next doing? We do not. We don't want to play. Yeah, I don't know. They go into the playoffs. They go into the playoffs. They go into the playoffs. Yeah. Okay. How's Meg's boyfriend doing? Clay. He plays. He has a name. Clay Thompson? Yes. They'll probably go to the whole of him. No, Clay Thompson is definitely. How's the much this season? Not it's not a good season

for me. Not a good season. Are they going to the playoffs? The Mavericks? No. Well, they might be in a playing. They might make it. They might, they don't need a play and they should be in a playing right now. Yeah, they might. I mean, they might. No, I don't, I don't know, but they got a chance. Then playing? No, not. Oh, yes or no, they're fucked. Oh, yeah, they're fucked. Oh, yeah, they're fucked. Oh, I mean, games back a day from the AC. No, games they got this. No, it's only 13 games,

I know. Yeah, not a fuck. Oh, yeah. No, they go went out. Yeah, Clay is having a terrible year to shit. This is probably his work. Sure. Probably the best year of his life, but it works. Fortunately, oh, no. Personally, he fucking hoping he opened in his personal life at work. Yeah, nice. It's just not, you know, it's not translate, but happy for him. And you know, his his relationship with me. I just want to know. I ask you guys about like the ball game things. Yeah,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm with Clay on this entire year.

you're, you're, you're fine financially. May just just go off in the sunset, which you can. Like, I'm, I'm kind of over it. It's Clay Thompson. He's not, yeah, he's getting, he's no spring chicken. Yeah, he could, he could, he could sit in the side for the next two years and just get caught at the result. But yeah, he been doing that. But if you've accomplished what he's accomplished, you're, your, your family's fine for the rest of their lives. You found your

person. That's cool. Like your whole life shouldn't have to be that. Yeah, but then we have to,

you're 36 years. 36 years old is old for an athlete, not for a human being on earth, right?

Playing the rest of your life, though. Yeah, but I'm going to be the person who let me go, you know, maybe it's like, let me be pessimistic. What if they don't work out? Of course,

you still have 100 million. Okay. Well, 50 million if she takes half of it. We didn't talk about

BAM's 83 point game. Oh, we didn't. I tried to bring it up. Yeah, I didn't want to talk about it. We did. Oh, how'd you feel about that? Let me say this. I saw a new PR agents, his grandmother died that day at 83 years old. So I wish they would have led with them. BAM's grandmother? Yeah. I did know that. They put that out today. Word died that day at 83. And I was like, why didn't you guys leave with this? Wait, because I was shooting on it. BAM's grandmother died

that day at 83 is old. Yeah. There's no way that's true. Yeah, it was a birthday. But she would have turned 83? No. Yeah. Yeah. Five years ago. And it was her birthday that day. And she died at 83. But I mean, if we're just putting grandma's into every game, then I waited a minute, because this is news. His grandmother died at 83. And her birthday was that day. And his mother was there with the jersey that had 83 on it with with grandma's name on the back.

No way. I don't know why they didn't leave with that. I don't know why. It took a week to get this news. Is that real? His mother had a jersey. It could be a day could be a AI. I don't know. Nice. No fucking way, bro. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Look, she's crying. That's 83 on the back of the jersey. Yeah. No, bro. That got, no, there's no way. There's no way that's real. There's no fucking way

that's fucking police report. No, I think her jersey is 13. Yeah. 83. Oh, then someone definitely

changed it. It's mother did not have a jersey with the number 83 on it. The 90 scored 83. There's no fucking way. Yeah. Either way, listen, respect the BAM, score 83 points on any level. Sure. Of sports

is fucking incredible and hard to do. Now, with that being said, I do feel like it was nasty

because they chased it. And, you know, he was up down there 40, but forming this life and still in the game, like, if you listen, records are made to be broken. If you got a chance, you feel like you got a chance to break a record. Go after it. But it's just, it just looks a little nasty. Don't look when you, you chasing it down the stretch. And it's just like, I get it, but just a little nasty. Yeah. I don't know if you're going to get mad. If you're going to get mad because down. Listen,

but here's my thing. They get mad and when a team is up 30, right? And it's a minute left or two or 30 seconds. And they still shoot in the ball. So we got it. We got it. It's keep the same energy. If you up 30, and because he got 68, 70, some points. And you're still giving them the ball to try to score. It's the same thing. Keep the same energy. You can't get mad that when the game is out of reach and the other team is still trying to score because the players get mad if

you take a shot, you're like, you're all 20, bro, the game is over. Like, why you try to go get this layup. Players get mad and be ready to fight. Keep the same energy on this side. Why is he still in the game? If you're up 40, or whatever, with three minutes left, however much time is that you know the game is over. Like, I go win the game. Why is he still in the game? And he's not only that, y'all are feeding them. Like, y'all go into them. Like, you're giving the ball, giving the ball. Like,

so that's my only problem. Like, I get it. 83 on any level is fucking crazy. You can't go out and score 83 on a fucking high school game right now. If you as a pro, like, a lot of pros would be able to get 80 to an high school game right now. So I'm just saying, like, keep the same energy. If you don't get mad, players try to score when they up and the game is out of reach and they still trying to get layups and easy and in score to ball, keep the same energy when BAM got 70 something

and he's still in the game up 40 and they feed them to ball. Like keep the same energy is all

I'm sure. I think Ryan sextas at the beginning of the fourth and said he had 70.

And I thought they were taking them out to gain at that point. And then he ended up doing 80.

Okay. It was like, you know, I was still confused. Like, there's no way 70 points in the third

course. Like, all right, they take them out. I mean, listen, I'll salute 83 because like, it's it's

Not easy to to to to score that many, you know, pointing to the NBA professio...

keep the same energy. That's all. If you have a new shoot when they up about 20 and it's a

minute left, if you have that same strategy with someone like Dane, shit, I'll even say

Gilbert Arena's how many points are they getting with that same strategy? How much is Dane and Lillard getting with that strategy that they gave them? I mean, it's a little past 83. I'll tell you that. I mean, they had it. I mean, but I can't say that. You know, you still got to be able to put the ball in the hoop, but 40 free throws is crazy. 243 throws in the game is fucking wild. But that's insane. But listen, I'm not like, I see people mad all that. I'm not mad, but it's just a little nasty. It

looks a little nasty when they was chasing it. I understand going after the record. If you're able to get it, but just don't get mad now next week. I don't want to see nobody mad when a team is up and they still got the starters in and they try to run this go up. Don't don't ask for sports manship then because there was no sportsmanship in sight when your team is up 40 and BAM got 70 something and you're like, fuck, you're going after the record late. There was no sportsmanship show

day. So keep the same energy as all. Yeah. No, that was like old college football type shit. But shout out to maimed. I'm not definitely no one to do that. Like that's just scored 83.83. Okay, everybody should. And I'm so bad. I'm like, why they were like, BAM are all people. I'm like,

see, whack or something like, why is it not really so bad? He's not whack, but I think his career

high was like 40 before that. What's just crazy. By the way, 40 points is for you average, like 20, you know, something. It's just like, he's not a score. Yeah. He's not a, he's not a, he's not like a prolific score. Like that. So if I have 83, like, it's like something is like, I just, what the fuck is going on? Like keep going. You up 20 is just up 20. It was up 40. I think I want to point in that game. Is this like, well, how's he slowing the floor? What do they say on

Twitter? They said a Jason state and what a scored 80 and then stopped himself out and texted Kobe. Before we get out of here, Demaris, I want to say I thought your go was retired, but we are getting another J. Cole record. Mike will made it just announced his album reset March 20th and of this week. There is one record solo with J. Cole. No, with the features, but I mean, Mike Will is to me, one of the best modern producers period. So I'm excited for. I hope I can take as to it.

I mean, you got Travis Porter on the second record. So I don't doubt it. Yeah. I love bringing back

Travis Porter. The record that I'm most excited for. Rome's featuring NBA young boy and chief Keith. Oh, no, I'm like, no, I'm, I'm like, I'm a civilian in shape, but like, we might need to take my gun and go somewhere and go somewhere and go somewhere. It's funny, it's fun. Where we going? I don't know. But like, let's just go somewhere. Okay. Let's just figure it out. Do you not a bus that I'm not going away, which will if you don't know how to bus, so gone?

I was, I will send you all my results every time I go to Atlanta. I go to the range every time. Why do you want to, it's ranges and jerseys. You got them into. Yeah, with them. They don't, they don't accept my guns. And you need a different type of, uh, it's not the way,

Atlanta you walk in and they don't even ask you to ever held a gun before. That's what I did in

Jersey, but you know, that's what's so crazy. Like Atlanta, literally, you could just walk in and as long as you have the cash, they will give you an assault rifle and be like, well, they want to even ask you if you know how to put a

clip in. But you can do that in Jersey too. I promise you. My first time ever shooting a gun was in Jersey.

I just walked in and was like, hey, guys, I want to shoot. All right. You gave me a sprint field to have no adnorque doesn't count. Oh, I thought, oh, FG. Damn, what you think the OF stands for? Ryan says only fans girl is the J. Cole record. You too, morning Ryan. You too, morning, baby. Yes. I don't know what to stand for. I mean, I do like any time Mike will and and Cole are together. Okay. But I hope it's not one of the old records from like those sessions a few years ago.

Oh, stand it. Oh, that's Travis Porter. Ammon Alio. Yeah, I'm on it. Not just looking at this this track list. Like Mike Will is just trying to make good music. Yeah. T. I young drone killer Mike. I'm with that. I'm with that. I y'all skipping over that T.C. Touching that ludicrous record. Yeah. That might be crazy. T. T's over front of the show. I definitely want to hear T's over ludicrous together. And Swaley by himself. Okay. See low by himself. I just like this track list.

Usually we don't judge shit off track list, but I don't know. I'm excited. What do you

might want to produce everything? Yeah. I always get excited and they can let me down. I'm tired

of that. So it's Mike Will. That's pessimistic. See. But I don't think that that's pessimistic. I always get excited and they can always let me down. That's just the truth. Me saying

I think is going to let me down.

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