1192: The Koivun Era is here + Alex Fitzpatrick interview

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“>> Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the no-langup podcast,”

Solie here. Join just a soul. Just a two-man little gig here, two-man job. My guy Neal is here. Hello, Mr. Neal shoots.

>> Excited to just get a little rally session in with you. Solie, toss some things over the net. See if you can hit some winners by me. Let's see what we got. >> Wow, it's nice that you get the 3M week.

What are we going to talk about? And then we get a great story. >> Great story unfolding. Little runners show here. We're going to go around the world of golf,

of course, reactable. We just witnessed a TPC Twin Cities. Then on the back half of this episode, we have an interview with Alex Fitzpatrick. Neal and I chatted with him on Friday during some downtime,

so a little combination episode here. Quick spin around the golf world. >> Which was, which I was very, that was an awesome conversation. >> Huge fan.

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“>> That's just taking a little vacay in the big city”

in the big apple, just hanging out. Good stuff. >> Easy guy to root for. Winners from around the world. Jerry Kelly wins the senior open.

Tommy Morrison wins the Evan Scholar's invitation on the corn fairy tour. Lucas Herbert wins the live UK as does Ripper GC. Jenny Shen wins the lady Scottish open. Noah McLaughlin.

An alternate to the US junior upsets. Miles Russell 6 and 5 in the final to win the US junior. And of course, as we just witnessed Jackson, we've got to get the Evan wins the 3M. He got it done gaming a set up that includes a title as

Pro V1 golf ball in 14 title as clubs. A few quick notes.

Coven has always been a Pro V1 guy.

He loves the softer feel of the Pro V1, especially on the greens. And it hits his perfect flight in spin windows on full swings as we saw all weekend. He was dialed off the tee with a GT2 driver hitting 13 of 14

fairways. He's also got the new GTS-3W prototype fairway in the bag. It's a blade guy, but he also games a T250 utility and a T104 iron.

“It gives a more launch and forgiveness for those approaches.”

Over 220 yards or so. Also as four Vokie SM11 wedges in the bag. He had it rolling with the Scotty Cameron Phantom 9.5R. It's the same set up played by Cameron Young and Justin Thomas. It gives him that mallet performance.

But a blade like feel through the stroke. Find a fitter near year. Go to titleist.com. Jackson Coivin shot a back 928 on Saturday. Included a birdie birdie eagle finish.

To shoot 61 took a three shot lead into the final round over a miliano Grillo. Coivin kept it rolling early. Birdies the first. Birdies the fourth.

Birdies the sixth. Made a big par saver from 14 feet on the 9th to go out in 32. Scotty chef. You can't hold that guy down. Can I keep that guy back?

Aqua man. Come on. Maybe here come the waves. It made some noise. Start of the day six pack.

But did make six birdies in his first 12 holes.

Including the first three on the back nine or the second nine as they refer to it. At TPC Twin cities. Coivin was not to be denied. He birdie the par five 12. At an easy to put birdie on the 16th.

Got him all the way to 25 under par. Steered it in down the stretch on 17 and 18. Dramed a 14 footer for par at the last to shoot a bogey free 66. To win for the first time on the PJ tour. Win by three shots.

Win by five shots. Everybody that's not the number one player in the world. And it's just third career pro start at the age of 21. That's our story. Neil here we go.

The Coivin era is upon us. I want to say 21 in two months. So I just saw a graphic posted by CBS on on the everything app. He's a 10th youngest winners since on torso 2000. Solid.

Can you name the others? 10th youngest since 2000. 10th youngest. Yes, there are there are. Well, I'll give you a hit.

There are. There's one guy that's twice on this list. So I guess there's eight guys ahead of him. One guy that's twice. So speed.

What a beath is the youngest. He was 19 years 11 months. Yep. Matthew Wolf. Matthew Wolf is fourth.

There's two guys in front of him. Matthew Wolf was 20 20 years old in two months. Justin Thomas win at 21. Now recent one. Number two is recent.

Well, he would be a amateur. Roy would be one. Roy is 20 months. 20 years old 11 months. Aldrich Pocky.

Peter and Pocky.

Gosh, this is I should know more of these.

A recent.

“Amateur that the people are going to be screaming.”

Yeah. He's been struggling with the driver these days. Kim Smith. That's not for help. Nick Dunlapda.

There you go. He's number two behind speed. Okay. And then I mean, come on. One of your boys on this list.

He's on their twice. Wrong. No. One of my boys. I got a lot of it.

Super star. Oh, Tom Kim. Come on. 20 years old. One month.

And then he's 20.

Guys, I'm always the one doing the questions.

I'm going to get some of your good news for you. It's totally gets flipped on to you. It's way harder. It is really easy with the answers. It's listed right in front of you.

“And then you see, you got pocket either.”

You got roaring. There's two others. How what kind of recent or a little bit old like. On the back. One, one does not play on the PGA tour anymore.

And one is playing good golf. But it would not be considered young anymore. Jason, day wouldn't be one. Oh, he did. Oh, younger than that.

It would be kind of in that. One of the players. I'll tell you that. See you. See you.

Yes. 21. One month.

And the last one is is my guy keen.

Oh, okay. Me. Was 20 years old ten months. So question. It's really good question.

So, you know, not the youngest guy to do it. But my takeaway. He looks so polished. Yeah. So polished.

A leap for action. You said earlier on Slack reminds you a little bit of JT in his movie. I mean, even more like hip firing going on, you know, what, like, what a golf swing. That is. It looks really, really on playing normal until impact.

And then it's like, got his hips are so out front. So that's impressive. I think it till, I mean, including 18. The 18 was squarely, squarely drive there. Drop kick on 18.

But look, really solid off the tee. Especially down the stretch. A tee shot on 15, like just a low bullet was a leap. I felt like just tons of control and poise there. And then the tee shot into the reachable par four and the 16th.

Just, you know, you get that greens massive, just kind of blow it out left. And he just executed man. It just looked really normal even even on 18. You know, it was a little squarely coming home. But to to make that 15 footer downhill.

I mean, that just, that was classy man. Great fist pump. I thought his interview after he had some good things to say. You, you mentioned he writes on his golf glove. You know, I, I feel like, I mean, that seems to be legal.

Can't write on your driver head as we learned in the rules pod earlier this week. But you can, you can't write on your glove. We're going to dominate. I like these mindsets he's got. So yeah, man, I think this is good.

Let's get some, some young blood out there when and early. We, we need to, you know, it's hard to, you know, we just mentioned Nick Dunlap. Like, there's been young winners recently. Pocketeer, Tom Kim, things like that. But we, we need, you know, some of the biggest amateur names to come out recently have,

you know, just not really done the job right off the, it's hard. It's hard. Guys like speed. Guys like GT. Guys like some of the, you know, the that wave of players made it look really easy.

And we, I foolishly kind of thought the next wave of American guys would kind of do the same. And they have, they fizzled out real, really quickly. Not, a lot of chances for post types sleepers for a lot of these guys. But even some of the guys like Clanton. You know, that had great, great runs as amateurs in pro events.

Once they turn pro, it just was a different story. So what was the story going to be with Koive and getting, you know, number one, obviously graduate from PGA tour you. Data golf has him as the number one amateur since they've been tracking that since 2010, better than John wrong, better than Jordan's beef, like plus 3.25 strokes gained.

You know, I know that, I'm guessing that's compared to other college. The guys, you know, at his level, but still like it was that jumps off the page when you look at the, I mean, heavy weights on that list, heavy weights on enormous enormous. And so it's interesting, like he comes out and he's not he's super polished. Like you said, he is feels very well rounded, but he's, and he's maybe a little less

toolsy than some of the guys that we've seen come out with mega speed. Like Gordon Sargent is, you know, 190 mile an hour ball speed and like what, you know, the, the sky's a limit for someone like him, whereas Koive is just like a result, dude, you know, if I was compared to like a baseball prospect, he's just putting up great numbers at every level. He doesn't have the massive exit velocities,

“but he has everything. He has absolutely everything you need to complete it and”

really, really solid iron play is what he's known for and excellent. We talked to Blaine Barber about this and we've watched him at the Walker Cup. Like what's the deal here is like he just doesn't miss pots. Like that's, yeah, the whole thing with him. It's refreshing to see someone with like, I compared to J2 earlier in our slack,

because it was like, high 170s ball speed, you know, Auburn versus Alabama, you know, the, the title is tie and all that was just kind of like a really well put

It's just good action too, which is right up on the toes.

“You brought up the, the kind of the five tools pretty even.”

I haven't, I, I looked at his Dave golf scatter plot. It's like a perfect pentagon. So like, everything's just slightly outside the above average circle.

It's incredible. And then you compare that.

Like you mentioned, you know, we've had some guys come out and win potteater, being an example. We just mentioned go look at his day to golf scatter plot. It's not that, you know what I mean? And it's, it's like like one or two loud loud traits and, uh, yeah, man, just really like well rounded is, is the way to put it.

And, um, I don't know, it's exciting because he looks, he looks ready for, you know, for prime time here. So I got to go here next. I mean, you get him on the team? Oh, for sure. Like for some amazing cop who cares one and two massive talent.

Three, this is not shaping up to be one of the stronger teams ever. Uh, you know, five years ago, we were debating Scotty Sheffler being the 12th man on the team. Uh, for the 2021 Ryder cup team. We're not going to be having those debates at the bottom of this team. Like he is, uh, going to be a part of the future.

Almost certainly, if not, might as well find out at a home president's cup, sure, against an international team that's almost certainly not going to be able to stay in the arena with you.

Like, we riot if he's not on this team.

I, and to be clear, I thought he was on this team when the year started, uh, you know, before he even touched. Check to tape. Yeah. But he turned professional and before, uh, you know, he'd hit up. You know, TC said that, too.

And he also probably said, done lap two years ago. It should be on this team. He probably said that Luke Clant should be on this team. Uh, who knows? Who knows?

A tweet going around of covenous, uh, who, who TC thought Ludwig was, which I saw that one too. Uh, which, and it's, you know, that's for it. But listen, I mean, we've seen, we've gotten excited before. We got really excited with Matthew Wolf. Obviously he decided to take his talent elsewhere.

I mean, Havlin coming out. We got super excited. More Kawa. You know, like, so, so I do think though when you look at that skill, scatter chart and you see how, how above average he is at everything. That's, you know, that might be the difference.

Um, at this age to just be so, so solid and all parts of the game. Um, yeah, it was, it's just really, really impressive. I had somebody, uh, hit me on, on the everything app. Also about is, is coven the kid. And I said, listen, we do not toss that term around.

That is not about wins and skill. That's, does he have the risk as well? The, uh, you know, like, there has to be like, or the people chant his name out there. And, you know, we're monitoring it, um, you know, because good looking cat. I think he's, he, he looks the part.

He, like, he carries himself, uh, with a lot of confidence. I liked on 17. He hit it.

“I think novelo was saying he kind of hit, he thought he hit thin.”

He also was, like, saying, you know, go go. And it, like, was 40 feet past the hole. So I don't really know, but he gave the camera a look where he was like, you know, and I, I like seeing a little bit of that down the stretch. Um, and he showed a ton of emotion when he made that put, uh, on 18.

So, um, I'm, I'm hopeful that he has some, some charisma and some, uh, you know, some stuff for the crowds. Because that's how you become the kid. You know, the, the people need to cheer you in the Colosseum. Uh, they need to be chant your name out there.

So good, you know, good star. We're heading the right direction, but that is, that it's way too early. I say, we, everybody was so early calling Tom Kin the kid. I won't have it. We're not doing premature.

Kid titles right now. We're not doing it. So to take that away. I'm, um, with the 100% on this. The kids got to make, make the fans feel something emotionally.

The kid is rare. I don't, yeah, the kid is beef. Yeah, that's, that's the last one we had. That's the last one we had. That's the last one we had.

That's the thing. You know, it's like the, these are generational things.

You know, the kid is a, it's not a title that, oh, no, someone's not always sitting on the kid thrown.

That's not how this works. He, it's clearly might be too polished to be the kid. Like he's, he's better. He's good. And I am money.

Like he's, you know, he's had this sponsorships for quite some time. Like he knows, he's going to, he's going to make a lot of money.

“It's like, does he have, does he have the bill shankly?”

Does he make the people feel good? You know, I feel happy. Yeah, does he make the people happy? And that, you know, that cuts both ways with, with, with speed. Later on, you make people feel very sad.

But for a while, when you're young, you make a feel happy, baby. I don't know. We'll see. Because you do have to have the talent as well. You got it, you know, you had to be winning.

And so this is, this is a good, this is a good, good, good start, man. Do you want to play, you want to get weird with hypotheticals here? Please, I mean, I don't know where I net on, I don't know all of these. I don't know where to hype coven. I don't know how excited to get here.

But like, if I was to ask, all right, is coven or Victor Havlin going to have a better overall career,

Like, what's your, what's your, don't have to think about these at all. Just gut call. Havlin or, or coven, better overall career. I'm so, you know, I know Victor just won. Travelers, but he feels such, like, so heavy that I'm worried about him.

“Like, I would say coven right now, honestly, because he does easy one.”

I thought. Yeah, because he does seem like, I don't know, but it's kind of so, I mean, it's like a third start, you know, like, but he, like, I watched him for three or four holes at the US open. I mean, just handled handling himself in a big way,

made the cut, like looked good out there. So, I don't know, it's, it's not, like, it's not like he's coming out of nowhere. I mean, one, everything in college too. So, it's, I would, yeah, I'd say coven right now. Yeah.

I would say, I could say, that's a, that's a Havlin's underachieved a little bit. For sure, what he's been, like, since he, maybe a lot of bits, since he's come out, but next one will be harder. It was like, more a call or coven. Two majors, like, I know.

And I don't know if he's, well, certainly not done. Like, that's a, that's a pretty big bar to clear. He don't think more a call was done when in majors. I'd be surprised he was done when in majors. Man, it's so tough because of that well-roundedness.

You know, with more a call, it's like, hey, you know, he's never going to have

the advantage of off the tee. Never really put it great. He gets hot with the putter. Um, hard to ignore two majors. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'll say more a call.

But I hate, I hate it, you know, I don't like that. Say it. Say it. That, that eliminates like JT and speed.

“Then I think from the comment that a lot more wins, more majors.”

Um, but it's in, you know, I don't know, man. It wouldn't surprise me if he was a four time major winner. And I'd, I know it's your job to get hype about that. And I don't know what we'd set the actual over under it right now. He won the 3M.

Like, and I know Scott is in the field. It's, it's, and this is the part where we transition into TPC to in cities being a complete disgrace. And like, he won the 3M. Well, and I'd really, really, really don't want to diminish what we just

witnessed. But he made some pretty decent size mistakes on that back and nine and received exactly zero punishment for it. It would be a lot more interesting to watch him try to close that a golf tournament that we're, where the golf course is actually going to

present some challenges on the 12th hole of the par five. He had a terrible second shot. He hated it. He had a very poor bunker shot. Not a very poor.

He had a below average bunker shot on the par five. And then just made the birdie put. He got away with everything. 16 just bail out way left under one of the worst driveable force. He got his lag putting though.

I mean, credit to him, like speed on the greens was a lead. But so was then you watch, you know, every put Scotty hit was whole high and about to go in. Scott shoots what 63 today. And it felt like he was stuck in neutral on the back.

And like, that's, I don't know, that's a good side. It was very dramatic done. It was like, all right, 17 to just like literally hit it anywhere. It's a bad shot. It goes on the greens because these are huge, man.

They got to be smaller if they're going to actually challenge the best players in the world. And then you have bad shot. Bad approach into 18 as well. After a bad T shot and a layup. You know, the bad T shot.

I mean, bad shot. That's the thing. Went 249 off the T took like a three inch. And it did it before he hit the ball ends up in the fairway, you know, good on him for recovering. But you know, it's funny though.

I do have to say that to say this.

Like, it's amazing that, you know, you got I probably, I don't know how many guys

were at minus 20. Let's see. One, two, three, four, five. Six guys, minus 20 are better. Just going Jocco's still on this place.

How easy it is for them and how scary that course looks for me as a viewer. You know, like, I'm watching with my mom. She's, she's like, oh my god, that whole looks so hard. You know, the 17th. It's like 200 yards over water.

I'm like, you know, it's crazy, right? But there is 25 under par. Like, it's just like something's not, I'm just, I do need to stand back from like, I watch golf every week. The shot value stuff.

I completely hear what you're saying. But I'm also like, that I would probably shoot 83 out there. You know, like, I don't, I still don't understand. These guys are just so freaking good, man. Because that course looks terrifying.

I felt the same way it derailed when Kim, Kim Young, or the part at the Cadillac. I'm like, are you kidding me? Like, that, like this looks, it looks so hard. And it's just like, yeah, the water doesn't even exist for these guys.

“The, they, you know, Scottie missed, I think it was like 14 or 15.”

He missed it left and the rough.

And they're like, oh, he's never going to get it close from there.

And just, you know, get to that's like 20 feet on lift, but basically it lifts out the pot. It's like, okay, man, it's like nothing you could do. They're just too good. No, I mean, it just, that golf course is not

Like, this is even the top level of P.J. to our golf.

This is the Challenger series of P.J. to our golf. And it just doesn't, it's not nearly enough consequence to the, to the shots. It, it makes for an, I'm very uninteresting watch. Thursday to Sunday.

And very thankful that we had a very uplifting story to start the show with because the rest of what the golf watching the sweet. It's just, it is, it's wild. This little back to back stretch on the P.J. to our during, you know, not a lot of else going on in the summer.

This is, this is kind of why we need this championship series. Yeah. Of like, we're going to have a more intense tighter season. That's only going to have six or seven down weeks in it, where they, you know, we're going to get a Challenger event like this,

but there's not going to be this little, you know, massive dip

in this sports calendar, late July, into early August as of 2028. So it would be, that would be a welcome change. I was going to look up, I mean, that, that water on 17, let's see there. Uh, how many balls do you think went in the water this weekend

on that 17th hole that looks so scary to you? To my mom, not, I mean, that, I mean, the water course looks scary. Uh, I would say three balls went in the water for the whole weekend. Yes, two. Oh, today.

That's like, that got enough. We're not, we're not challenging these guys. That's not. It's, it's just way too comfortable.

“This is like the worst of the PGA tour, I think.”

Like, well, I saw a, yeah, quote, bounce floating around and like I, I read a, I can't remember which newsletter. Uh, the golf newsers like before, it was saying the tournament founder, Hollis Cavner. I think he's like the tournament director gave a brutally honest description

of how the organizers envisioned the course playing. We want birdies and train wrecks. Uh, it's like, well, you got the birdies, we just forgot about the train. We're not, I don't, I'm not seeing the train wreck part. Um, so that hole on the, oh, barely played over par for the week.

Uh, at a, you know, 200 yard par three over water. Uh, just let you bail out of no. And it's just that on repeat, man. Like, 16 is just like not moving the tee up on that hole. Just makes it a completely thoughtless.

Just hit it up near the green, the scoring average on that hole. Today was three, almost 3.4, which is actually one of the harder times. Uh, when they, when they've moved it up. But yeah, there was four total bogeys on suppose seven total bogeys. The entire weekend on the 16th hole.

Um, on what's supposed to be a risk reward driveable par for it. Well, 16, 17 and 18, it's just no one's going backwards because they can all, there's just such obvious bailouts on all of those, those holes even. It's like, yes, there's just big, there's just big penalty area. Don't hit it in there.

It's like, yeah, there's like 50 yards of of, uh, of, uh, of green to hit. But here's, here's, I'm building up to this where a future world. So I, I get why the three, like, the 3M would set it up this way or why this, then, would be set up this way in terms of you want to recruit players to come play in it.

Like, the more simple it sets up. Like, I get there's also the argument of, you know, the better players want it to play harder. If it's going to be worth their time and the ability to be separate and not have a be a piece of shit put in contest. But in a future world where it's like, hey, you play the championship series and you play the Challenger series.

And we don't have, you don't get to pick and choose your events.

“Yeah, you can skip events if you want to within your own calendar,”

but you have to do less pandering two players about the course set up. Can we see a world where some of these golf courses play more challenging and not being afraid of beating the guys up because they kind of don't have a choice, as to where they're going to be playing would be a hope I would come out of this next division, right? Because I think that is the argument as to why I would play this easy and

simple and thoughtless, but I don't think that's the best thing for your product. Yeah, as you presented on television because I'm honestly being kind about it to this point. It's this in Craig Ranch that I think are like the week at two week spots on the

Pigeot's or calendar. Yeah, I think first off, I will say 3m like it he says and things are sick.

So like 3m actually like they're branding that the tournament to like the red. I don't like the red. I was going to say I don't like it. Yeah, I don't like it. Oh, what do you like the red? I can do it. It's like I see what you're in. I mean, it's this event, but it doesn't feel, I mean, that's the elegant.

I guess it's just so it's, I thought it was, it's too much. I mean, got massive build out though. I didn't feel like we were filling all that hospitality. But except for the 15th hole, 15th hole was like absolutely empty. And I don't really know what I'm saying. I felt like everything was empty.

Even when they let the ropes down, it didn't feel like, you know, the massive humanity we're looking for out there. Everybody's watching the live highlights at a must be. Let me go down the the board for a minute and honor of Mr. T.C. Hadaki chipset for Eagle before we do that. I would say like if if you were like to go play it,

“I think I think it would be relative, you know, there's there's other courses where this might pay off a little bit better.”

Like you would hear, you know, when you watch that on TV, when you watch the women's Scottish open on TV,

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“You can get lost in there looking at your game.”

And what will work on? I've just been chipping away. I made it to the point where my iron plate became my worst part. And it was like, I needed to make a change of some kind. And we just made that change.

And I think we're on our way back. It just is exciting. It spits it right in your face. It's great. I'm sorry.

You want to go down the board. I do it. Yeah. Hadaki, good showing from him. T3 chips in for Eagle for a 64 today. Good to see him back bouncing around. We talked a little bit about Scotty. He was he was second.

Yeah. What's wrong with Scotty? You know, that's that's shoots 63 today. It comes up short. That'll be the narrative. But it does seem like though if I'm being serious here.

It anecdotal, but it feels like one round or even one nine a week. It has been cost in Scotty this year. I remember that at Pebble.

“He shot, I think, two over on the back nine Friday kind of basically just cost him a tournament.”

So otherwise pretty pretty good stuff.

Let's see, a million of Greo 3 plus 18 to finish tied for seven.

That ties his best finish of the year. He's seven at Valsbar. Harmon, you know, good showing foot, foot off the Cameron scoring after the round, which I got a nice kick out of. Another good finish for Ben Coles. He's ranking before this week was was 100 in the FedEx cup list. So he's, you know, kind of late, late bloomer.

I'm showing some some form this year and another guy. Good Fred Zach Blair. That's a T 13 I believe this week. We can confirm that. Yeah, T 13. He's minus 16 falling off a T 8 at T 9 at T 32 at the US open. Zach's plans. I'm really good golf man.

That's, that's, that's good stuff. Hey, maybe the worst golf he played this week was at the 3M. He shot a 58 at Whiteberry Yacht Club earlier this week with a bogey. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

You show I didn't see that. Someone was not in slack this week. Yeah, he shot a 58 at Whiteberry Yacht Club with a bogey. Yeah. Yeah.

And then, of course, Michael Kim, 69 59. You heard that correct. 79. So a bit of an outlier around there on Friday for, for Michael Kim. 14th or 1559.

I think 16th. And I had a little, a little, a little, look. How many, how many of the 59s can you name? Cause I, I looked this up and I was going to spring this on you. You got me earlier.

Yeah, yeah. Let's go. We'll go Jake Nap. Is that Jake Nap twice? Just once.

Just once. That was round one of the cognizant classic. That's the most recent one before Michael Kim. Obviously, Fiorek will count the 58 with Fiorek. And the 59 for Fiorek.

And the 50, yeah, of course. Of course. A bit of a comp game situation there. The Ben Griffin shoot 59. The Griffin has not.

No. I don't know. I think that's all I can do right now. Not a, not a joke. You're best.

Our guy burger was the first.

Five or sure. 77 chip back. Did it. 91. They would do vaulted in the final round.

In 99. Pros. I froze. So only three in P.J. Tour history from 2009 and prior.

Okay. Since 2010, Paul Goito shot 59 the John Deer. Stewart Apple B shot 59 the green bar of that year. Fiorek shot 59 at the BMW championship. JT shot 59 at Sony open in 2017.

Had win shot 59 at the career builder in 2017.

Snedaker shot 59 in the first round of the wind them.

In 18 Kevin Chappel shot 59 at the green barire in 2019. Scottie Sheffler shot 59 at the northern trust and round two in 2020. Cameron Young shot one in 2024 round three of the travelers. Hayden Springer shot one at the John Deer in 2024. And then we have the Jake nap and Michael Kim once in the last two years.

So of the 16 rounds of 59 are better that have happened on the P.J. Tour 13 of them have happened since 2010. But I don't know what I would owe that to. It must be, yeah, I don't know what that could possibly. One of the, one of the, what that could be.

I mean, it is, you know, I don't think about that.

“A mix of dudes and, and Rando's, but it's not, it's honestly not like a,”

the, it doesn't feel like it's the epidemic. It, it doesn't feel like it's picked up pace and last five years. Do you think that like picked up pace and last 10 to 15? You know what I mean by that? And there's been four in the last three years.

I was most definitely joking. It's just, oh, okay, well, I'm just saying, I'm just thinking about it. Like, um, I mean, there's been one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine since 2017, 10 since 2016.

So like one a year, basically, in the last year after they're being, you know,

three in the history of the P.J. Tour up to 2009. I mean, I true, Mark Jackson, what happened to the game I love, man? You know, there you at it. I'm, it's crazy. I just want to raise my hand completely embarrassed by how much I froze there. That's, oh, it is hard ball.

Yeah. I mean, come on, chip back. I know all those. What are you doing, man? What are we, doing?

Like we were in. If we were sitting around drinking beers, you would've crushed that. No, I know. My heart goes, it's like, that's like, you're, you got to, you got to work on your, you know, your lag pudding on that one.

That's awful. I, I really, I was going to maybe skip that, but after you made me look silly earlier,

I had to, had to, had to, had to, had to spring that pack out.

You. Uh, coven moves up to 70, even the FedEx cup with the wins. Took out some work to do to get it to the playoffs, but I, I, at, as it stands now, does not look like that's going to be a problem for him. Top 70, of course, make the playoffs.

“Do you see Lucas Glover, the Lucas Glover incident today?”

I did. I did a lot. It seemed like a lot of people were thinking it was, uh, for aim point. And yeah, the announcers did not do him any favors with this of them saying that it was, it was, it was aim point related, but he holds a put. Walks over the fringe takes his shoes off.

Uh, to go over and get the ball out of the whole, uh, comes back McGraceman, who's playing with looks very confused as it's all happening. We could later got word. He commented on it later and later got word from several players that there, people in the group, at least one person in the group behind him,

complaining about the spike marks being left behind from his metal spikes, uh, which you are, of course, allowed to repair. Um, so that was, that was his, his way of protesting of, I don't know how I'm supposed to walk to the whole and get my ball, I'm wearing metal spikes, not the only guy that wears metal spikes.

Uh, out of a story either, but this is how we're all, he's having a good time. He was having a little fun with it. But he was taking, he, I saw every saying it was an aim point, and then he's taking he was like, well, I don't fit the guy, you know,

the guy using the long putters should be complaining about an aim point. I'm like, here we go. And just note out there disclaimer, if somebody's using a long putter that does not mean they're anchoring, especially not Lucas Glover who's not even close to anchoring.

We don't have to pretend like everybody that uses a long putter is anchoring. So, uh, one last thing I had, as, as I was looking at this, uh, the defending champion of this upcoming tournament this coming week at the rocket is, of course, Alder's potgeater. Well, what, if I was to say that something, something statistically relevant

in the history of the game is potentially going to happen this year,

“and it's Alder's potgeater and you'll do, you wonder what that might be?”

It's not a difficult one to figure out here, but what do you think it might be? Statistically relevant in the game. He's got, like, something to do with him hitting the ball far. He, he's, again, but I'm bringing this up because the, like, the constant argument for not rolling the ball back

or changing equipment related stuff is that people love the long ball, people love distance. All just pocketers going to break the all time driving distance record on the PGA tour and no one cares. No one cares.

Nobody knows. Nobody knows. Nobody knows. No one cares. I thought you're going to say that this is the year that the 313 challenge.

Uh, no, my big. It's, it might be off.

Uh, do you know when the last time that record was broken?

Last year. It was 23. Uh, it was Roy McElroy.

“Um, Roy's year this year will be the second longest year ever.”

So Roy's going to break his own record. Uh, that he set three years ago, but he's not even going to hold the title. It's going to be a Sammy social situation where he's going to hit 66 homers, but McGuire's going to hit 70. What was Roy's record in 23?

Like, 326 or something like that. And it was like 328 now and pocketers like 330, but okay. It's just funny that like nobody, nobody actually cared. Like everybody, you know, the claim is that people love the long ball and no one actually cares about what should be a record. Uh, just because they know it means nothing, just because it goes up and up every year.

So. Uh, I want to go off left. Maybe that maybe. Oh, it's going to run it up into Troy where you could just whale hunt. Maybe he gets hurt, you know, he might get all run rates and still it's still odd, man.

Boys and summer get hurt by workout and you're benefit. You know, you could just it's like the A on risk reward challenge. You could just if you had the lead is it paid well to just skip events. That's true.

Which is stay where it is.

You're right. Uh, lady Scottish was at Dunn Donald this past week. Jenny Shinche took a five shot lead into the final round. He opened 666771. The wind was whipping today though. It made for some really good viewing early.

Uh, you know, they had the ear muffs out this week.

“That, you know, they had the the twoks on toks, whatever the the Canadians call it.”

The the beanies. Uh, and it looked like it was going to get interesting. She made three bogies. Uh, the lead took up the lead down to just three. Oh, when they reached the ninth.

But she birded the tenth and the 12th put her back to 11 under two laid bogies. Did not play into the final result. She won by two over a limb kin. We shot a 68 in the final round. Congratulations 75. Um, that was an excellent excellent round of golf.

But she won by one by two shots over a limb kin. Uh, and a little appetizer. The Dunn Donald not the best links course. Not my favorite links course. But it was as baked out as I've seen it before.

And it definitely brought out a lot of features.

Uh, in that golf course and made it less of a, you know, kind of modern links. Adaptation that we kind of get with both Scottish open courses. It just similar to Renaissance this past year. Like when it gets that firm. Um, kind of these links interpretive courses get a least a little bit more linksy and more interesting.

So it was. I had it on, uh, on mute watching. Make him breakfast and it looked good. They had some good drone shots and even near the water helps it. Uh, you know, it was it looked good.

The fairway. It looked burnt out and good good color contrast on the on the TV. And it's good. I mean, I don't know if it's sky or if it's world feed or whatever it was. But it was not a golf channel production and it was very clear. Just this.

And everything. Well, we're the news. Yeah, it was on golf channel. They had the CNBC logo in the bottom left corner. So I don't know.

I had it on CNBC this or was it on maybe I just, it was, yeah. Yeah, I just, I know YouTube TV is just, you know, it picked the golf and that. So I assumed it was golf channel. It was any, yeah. Anytime you can see the picture and picture reaction.

Like, which was required just a little bit of extra effort. You know, it's not golf channel. Sure. So it's it is pipe pipe that in. And just it's fun vibe.

I, I look, I enjoy watching all kinds of golf. Oh, yeah. Shane Madalind's catty. I believe so.

“On the on the bag, I think, I think I saw that too.”

Um, because I know. Madalind is has she. I know she's pregnant. I don't know if she's. I have not heard.

I mean, yeah, she was very pregnant at the US women's open quite recently. She was seven months pregnant to US women's open. So she's probably about that time for her. If it's not already. I'm not sure.

I'm nerdy updates there. Well, shout out to Shane. Good work. Yeah. Great, great dude.

Uh, easy guy to root for. But that and like, you've seen your open this week. Was it Glenn Eagles, the king course there? Like, there's funky ass holes on that course. That made for some, uh, for some fun viewing as well.

I just, I can't get enough of it. Roll, roll right into AIG women's open. Uh, this coming week. We're going to have a preview out this Tuesday. I had a final major championship of the year.

Um, that it's going to be at real rhythm and saying ads. And it should be, should be awesome. This is, uh, this is one I've had, sort of. Well, it's one of those. Jerry Kelly won the, won the senior senior open.

Yeah, okay. Uh, our friend Lauren Cognant finished T5. Um, most certainly a notable. She's a past champion of this event. Uh, nearly quarter T 16.

Uh, finished this week. Not the most competitive. Save in it, man. Come on. Next week.

See. Big one. Come on. Dude, I just. I, I don't think she's links tough.

I'm sorry. I, that famous last words. And I'll save that for Tuesday. I just watch her out there and it looks like. I, it just doesn't, you know, if, if she's not heavy on tough.

Like she doesn't like the heavy on. You're like the bounces of the heavy on. I'm like, well, that's the case. I just don't know if if links is for you. I don't know what the weather forecast looks like for living.

But, um, I don't know. I just, I, I'm not, not really buying it right now. So, did you see the Charlie hole incident? I, I did, uh, the de-greening. Correct.

Um, I did see that. Uh, and. The, I thought I saw a comment that that was a great opportunity for her to, you know, which everybody can do at any time to just take the stroke and distance. Uh, that was your rules expert knows.

I'm going to play it right. At any point, you don't have, if you just don't like your drive. And you're still fine. You can just say, now I'm going to play another one from right here. Take your, take your penalty and go.

She could, uh, probably would have been better off doing that. In hindsight, she would have. It was a, it was a dicey hole location, uh, on that hole on Thursday. She put it off the green and then ended up taking a nine as she kept chipping it up the hill and rolling back to her feet.

She could have, uh, elected to take it on playable and go right back to where she hit that pod. It would have effectively been a two shot penalty. She was putting for Birdie. It would have been a bogey pod and she could have backed up there and made double. She ended up making a nine, uh, though.

But I'm sure she didn't think she was going to chip back to her feet multiple times. So it was a little hot in hindsight thing. But this option was also out there for Phil Nicholson famously at the 2018 US Open at Chinacock when he ran and hit a moving ball. And then tried to convince us that that was the right strategy when in reality he could have just let the ball finish rolling and then take the unplayable and, uh, replay this shot.

So, uh, Neil, it was not a great week for the live golf tour. Uh, if you're ready to get to this part, this portion of the show.

“Where do you want to start with the bad news for live?”

Because there was a lot of it this week. Ah, I don't know. Should we start with the lawsuits? You want to start there? We can definitely do that.

A couple lawsuits live was sued over unpaid bills for its broadcast technology, Canadian technology company,

mobile systems, sued live for roughly 1.13 million dollars, alleging $120,000 in unpaid licensing fees, 104,000 unpaid usage fees, 29,000 in lost revenue.

After live stopped using the companies any shot any time broadcast product. Sorry, I did not note where I got that from news wise. I can find that for you and give proper credit on that one. That's one thing. Uh, there's a stinger lawsuit as well, the golf.

We work with stinger. Shout out to our heritage stinger. Lewis in the game. This is good stuff. The golf tea company stinger golf sued live over its use of stinger GC.

They saw a hundred million dollars, which is. Which is awesome. If they're going to claim these for a chance or with billions, I know.

“If they're going to claim there were billions, you should absolutely sue that for a hundred million dollars.”

Uh, live and rename the South African team.

The southern guards this year in the party settled for one million dollars.

Uh, they said quote is a compromised based on what we viewed as an eminent bankruptcy. Uh, and just shout out to stinger. They make the golf teas you find in a no-lang up pro shop. Go buy some great teas. Uh, fantastic teas.

And, and, you know, they have a right to that name. I love it. I think that's front office sports. Uh, that I got that from in the sports business journal. Over the unpaid, uh, unpaid fees.

There if I, if I have that right. Uh, I'd say the most significant news. Neil, the Asian tour is out. Uh, this was from Evan Priest and Joel Beal at golf digest. The Asian tour is set to re-align the DP realtor and the PGA tour in a formal partnership.

Unlined, uh, underlined by pathways and co-sanction tournaments.

A move that it means it will no longer act as live golf's important second tier.

The Asian tour CEO Choman Taunt, hope I'm saying that right. Told golf digest that he had to consider the longevity of pathways for its members, given the uncertain future of live. And he said, quote, but given the circumstances now, we had to look at other options. Uh, left unsaid in this partnership. This is from the article left unsaid in the partnership are the ramifications to live golf.

Multiple sources have confirmed to golf digest. The national opens on the Asian tour were a part of the league's proposals as it was seeking new investors. However, due to its new PGA tour, T.P. World Tour Alliance, the Asian tour and its events can no longer be offered as part of a theoretical live package. Significantly reducing lives inventory. It's tough.

I mean, Scott O'Neill was going around everywhere talking about national opens. We flagged this at the time when he said it that it was like they don't have the national opens. I don't know what they're referring to here. I don't know how they're pitching this. The ones they had, they have now lost in a really really weak state.

“I believe this was from aim and liches article.”

They might be trying to reboot the Welsh open, which hasn't been held since 2022. And add that as one of the events. But man, just a.

This happened quickly. This happened within the last week, really.

This quick turnover to the Asian tour ditching live golf. And whatever they were proposing to these investors now has to be changed because they don't have the Asian tour anymore. Just a massive, massive, massive, massive L. That's business, man. It happens.

It is noted that the new agreement between the three tours is highlighted by the addition of at least two co sanctioned events between the Asian tour and the D.P. World Tour. For the 2007, 2008, I'm sorry, 2027, 2028 and 2029 seasons.

“So I would just say, does this, does this put lives existence in question?”

Like it was, it was easy to picture a dumb down version of next year. You know, maybe it's five events, plus five team events. And technically, you'll count the, you know, the Asian tour events as kind of part of live circuit or whatever it might be. But like, does this seriously bring into question as live golf going to exist in any form next year? For sure.

I mean, I just don't know, like, what you're investing in at this point. Because then you get the investors, they're like, okay, I'm going to get in for as little as I can. So then the purse money dries up. And then I mean, I kind of think there's some stuff in these contracts of like, they're not going to be able to pay the, you know, what roms owed.

And so then like that naturally leads to, I would guess like bankruptcy. You know, where it's like, okay, well, now I'm in solvent because like, you know, you can't convince.

And I guess it's down to two investors to basically, you know, cover the bill is what it sounds like.

Plus not having braces under contracts. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't see it working out positively before. And that was before I really, really, really tough week.

Uh, because it's, we're not done on the news front. Uh, this is from Ben Parsons at today's golfer, the live finale finale in Michigan. Very much in question. Martin Kymers said it's about a 5% chance. Uh, that happens. That's coming from a, yeah, that's a layer of players.

Uh, not lied to us. Well, yes, said anything really. I mean, you know, because I saw some quotes from ROM like at the press conference in London. And he's like, yeah, there's a lot happening behind the scenes. You know, like, I'm not going to tell you guys, but a lot, you know,

they've all been very coy. This feels pretty direct here. Like, yeah. 5% is like, that's a statement. It's supposed to be a $40 million per person involved in that one.

Kymers said it's a bit sad because we all invested in this year. And I'm not meaning financially. Um, so we invested time emotions hopes the vision. Uh, and if it would fail that that way, the way it failed now, because we've been told in February. We are fully funded until 2031 and two months later, it all goes down.

It would be a shame. The call is that that that that's the calls coming from inside the house now. That he thought they mean like that's a that's quite a quote from Kymers.

“That's the first time I can remember a one of the live players saying something like that.”

Yeah, I mean, it's it's almost like it was a massively unsustainable business model.

And once the pulled the plug from Piff of the never ending faucet of money,

it's almost like it couldn't stay on its own, which is kind of just like I heard that somewhere before. But anyways, this is not what tonight is we're not going there yet. We are saving it. We are saving it. We're not done with the news though.

Uh, golf digest reported Thursday that anchories from live players to the DP world tour About 2027 have increased significantly. Also have note flushing it. Uh, also reported that seven live players told the account been 10 to leave after this season. Even if live secures funding.

So we've now reached the portion where. Uh, flushing it is reporting negative news on live golf. I'm like those seven players are mobbing up. Uh, final few notes live is reportedly down to two investors again. This was kind of before I think the the Asian tour news drop a bunker dot code dot UK reported that the league.

Uh, narrowed its hunt down to the two investors and noted that the investor interest is high and the league's top management is confident. Uh, which I believe we've heard before. So. Uh, yeah, I'd love to. I'd love to love. I'd love to be a fly in the wall in the in the pitch meeting. Especially after the Asian tour news like what is that, you know.

“Hey, yeah, because the only thing I can think of that would be, you know, we're going to roll it up with Bryson's YouTube presence.”

It was like about the only thing of value you could. You could kind of put out there that would make, you know, that that could generate revenues that, you know, to pay the, I just. Yeah, you're going to take away such a prize money from these players. They're all going to, oh, it's man. I just don't know how you could convince an investor. Anything else is going to happen.

Oh, I think how you could convince an investor that all. It's going to happen that anything other than this, they're going to pay to sunset these contracts. And then they're all going to bounce like what you have no security if you're the investor.

I think you are. You are in the the best hope that the pitch would be is this is a post. Career, non champions tour circuit for Ian Polter and Lee Westwood and Martin Kimer to play golf on. That it's no longer Bryson from Patton. Neem and any real current players, but good play for some good money and you could play team golf.

Like that's the thing that you're, you're playing over here and it's not grinding out cuts solo and trying to play corn fairy tour to get status back. Like we'll put up some decent money. It's not live golf money, but it's decent money. And this is an alternate way of playing. You lose your OWG. I got OWGR's gone pathways to majors are definitely gone.

“But if you want to come play kind of circus golf over here, we're going to, we're going to do this.”

That's the best pitch at this point. Because I mean, Bankruptcy means these players are led out of their contracts, rom's gone. And he's back on the D.P. World Tour almost immediately.

I would assume basically all these guys are going to be D.P. World Tour guys as of next year.

So, but that's not tonight. We're not, we're not dancing on the grave tonight. And we are holding and waiting. So, I want to give a shout to Ben Cole. There's, you know, a lot of chatter online. I just thought he had a really, really solid summary of things this past week on the everything app. He said, Asian Tour partnering with P.J. Tour and D.P. World Tour makes it appear.

We're going back to where we were pre-live, but with potentially a better P.J. tour, a better D.P. World Tour. Better connection between them and even possibly a more global focus where national opens are elevated further. Said no doubt lived disrupted things and inadvertently provoked improvements to established tours. But I would like in this to be hit by a speeding car surviving and then having a newfound love for life. I don't think you'd go and thank the driver.

Uh, well said. I was really really part I disagree with a little bit is I'd love and maybe you could help me with this. How this better P.J. Tour, you know, a Dalton, you know, running things like the direction they're heading with the two tracks, all that. How is it a better D.P. World Tour? Like you do not mean like I feel like the D.P. World Tour has gotten kind of screwed over the past 10, 20 years. Like the best 10 guys are coming over to play on the P.J. Tour. It's like, oh, like the reward for playing good on the D.P. World Tour is that you're best.

Guys leave basically. Uh, yeah. So I don't know about that part. It is, I would say this, without the backing of the P.J. Tour, the D.P. World Tour was in trouble.

“And you're going to lose the top guys over to a tour that puts out more money anyways, right?”

Guys are doing that, you know, Justin Rose, Luke Donald, Graham McDowell, Lee Westwood, Sergio Garcia, like all of the top players. Once the tiger money hit the P.J. Tour, once it took off, that's where the Europeans played golf. And they did support the D.P. World Tour, but less and less as the years went on and the money kept going up on the P.J. They can't compete from a corporate standpoint, but with America, like that's just been proven out at this point.

So the argument here would basically be like, it was that way before live and it's just going to be a better version of that after live.

It's, it's that and the, yes, you're getting financial backing from the P.J. Tour. They're undermining, you know, underpinning some purses there. It's in the P.J. Tour's best interest to have a solid D.P. World Tour European tour as well. And have that be a feeder as a good thing. And I asked, um, Keith Pele about this when he was on the podcast of like, all right, what's the reputation of D.P. World Tour being a feeder was like, look, we were a member organization. And the part like an offering we have to our members

is a pathway to play for the massive money on the P.J. Tour. And like, I get in theory that that weakens our tour and on the surface, like just looks like that we're just feeding them. And in a way we are, and I'm paraphrasing this, of course, but at the same time, like that is a great membership offer. Yeah, you play well on this tour. You support this tour for a year and one of the top 10 best players you will have access to the riches of the P.J. Tour. And that was, he said it was a kind of a no-brainer option when presented because like, look, the alternative is they could have partnered with Piff and they could have gone that route.

“And like, I think they were able to see around the corner of like, I don't think this is the most stable.”

Yeah, it is Piff going to be funding the D.P. World Tour in 50 years. Like, what's more likely that or an alliance with the P.J. Tour is being something long lasting. And like kind of hard to fault where that has netted out. And, you know, that, I don't know, that's my, that's my 10 times. Oh, that's good. I, I just, yeah, that's a good overview. And because I think like, yeah, you wish for the hey day of the, of the European tour days of the SEVY and the longer and Faldo and Montgomery.

I was not walking through that door. No, that, that, that world's not coming back without 20 million dollar per se, which just isn't happening in Europe. I'm sorry. It's just not.

Lucas Herbert did win by six shots today. He shot 30 under par, Ripper also won the team competition as well. That's, that's, that's not all I, they hot Lucas from, from, from live UK. Yeah, you, I mean, it was not that much of a birdie fast. Like he went absolutely. Be people over the head this past week. So, um, other, you know, we mentioned Tommy Morrison won the corn fairy tour.

He has been absolutely mowing people down to start his corn fairy tour career as well. He had T10 and his first pro start.

There's T5 of them at the Memorial Health and was runner up the blue championship. And now, uh, won the Evans Scholars this past week, uh, just outside of Chicago. Are you up to eighth on the points list and essentially assured a PGA tour card, uh, for next year? So. That's about all I had in the notebook. As mentioned, the AG women's open is on the Lady Circuit this coming week. The market classic on the PGA tour. You taught bank championship on the corn fairy tour live is off and then dead minister the family.

My neighborhood baby. Oh, you go. I was thinking about it. It's on my calendar. I mean, it's 15 minutes away. I don't know. I'm kind of like, I don't know if they're going to have the tournament.

“I think they're having, I think they're very confident they're having that one sounds like getting anapolis.”

But I think it's going to happen. If you get credentialed or see if they try to shut you out, I don't want the security following me around. You kidding me. Come on, man. I don't, I don't have you. Can you afford security anymore? I'm going to, I'm going to, that's, you know, flip my facial hair get something something cooking. You know, they won't know. Wait, they won't know what to look for in two weeks.

And two weeks. Mexico. They were hunting brody down. I'd be, I'd be careful off there. If you have it, I would check out our rules podcast from this past Tuesday past Wednesday. I guess it went out. We had Craig went around from the USDA. We actually recorded this ahead of the US open. I'm sorry, I had the open championship before there was a lot of rules related stuff in there, but Neil and I have to talk about those. We just have a specific examples of those issues.

“It was very well-timed if I may say, so I would go check that out as a really interesting listener.”

We will have Craig back on as well because he's just excellent in explaining the rules to two of rules experts here. I mean, I feel like I understand him a lot better. I do too. I was just living in a pre-2019 world.

I mean, I've just been, yeah, yeah, I still just need you to stop weighing in on them because even just even you saying that makes me second guess rules again.

We just, we wind each other up on it. I really, really don't like it. We're going to preview as mentioned for the AG women's open. We'll also be live next Sunday after the rocket classic wraps. I know the AG women's open's going to end earlier, but we're going to wait till that one wraps and we're going to do a live show as well. Before we get to Alex Fitzpatrick's summer golf season is here, our closets are looking a lot like the rollback website right now. The rollback lightweight louper short. This is exactly what you need when hot weather golf hits is got the comfort of a gym short.

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Robac.com. RHOBACK.com and code NLU will get you 20% off your first order through the end of the week. Check out Robac. Stop laying up code NLU. Robac.com. Here is our chat with Alex Fitzpatrick. Alex Fitzpatrick on NLU. Cheers. Two weeks off. What do we do? It's a little time off. The club is going away for a while. Keep playing. Keep riding this hot streak. I'm curious what the thought process is. The hostry kind of came to an end when I was back in Europe. That was a little frustrated.

I've got two weeks off here. Super excited to put the clubs away. I'll be taking a break. Yeah, allowing the clubs to have a rest for a change. Yeah, that's what we brought you in for. We want to talk about this cottage show. But we want to talk about the open championship. Nothing else to share. Those are the two things we want to go shot by shot.

If you don't mind taking it through all that. Ideally not, but that's okay. Your household name now in the world of golf. How has life changed in the last few months? I would say last year, but really in the last few months.

Every time I look back at it, it's like, wow, I can't believe how different it was than three months ago. From traveling all over the world to playing D.P. And to suddenly play in full time in the US with all the best plays in the world. And the moment I'm trying to find the house and Florida and just being over here full time. I absolutely love it over here. We came in my family, used to come here quite a lot as a kid.

And I went to college at Wake Forest for four years and you have, this is the place I love to be and I'm thankful that I'm over here now.

“Alex, if we go back like last six, nine months, can you pick a moment?”

I mean, Zurich would be an obvious answer. But is there something before that where you're like, it's starting to click like a turning point? Um, I would say October last year, I changed coach. Um, strictly because I didn't get enough contact time with my old coach. It just, he was in the States and I was at home in Europe.

Um, just setting getting off time with someone. And I think that was kind of the missing piece was having somewhere that someone that I can see more often. Um, yeah, me and my brother did a switch of ruined coaches and uh, he had my coach and I had here. So it just, I would say it clicks from then, but it's funny. I played South Africa in March, um, starting March. And I was in contention with like five or six holes to go and it didn't happen.

And you know, I remember thinking of myself like I've had a few chances now.

We'll, you know, we'll never, we'll ever happen for me to weeks later.

It did. So it was, yeah, it's been so surreal. But I would say kind of changing coach was the big turning point for me. I feel like this big kind of under-reported thing. It's like a white, you guys have like a wife swap here, like a coach swap.

“I've never heard of that of just like, yeah, you know, was he looking to make a change specifically?”

And was it just like a convenience thing? A coincidence that you ended up swapping or was that kind of? Yeah, who's that kind of? Yes, so it was actually, um, a sad story. My, my coaches, um, well, my brother's coach at the time, his wife wasn't very well.

He couldn't travel back. He couldn't travel to America. He would stay back home in England. And, um, my coach, my blackburn was full time in the state.

So it was basically a case of, well, my brother can't see, um, Mike Walker is my coach now,

because he's obviously at home in Europe. And I couldn't really see Mark because he was in the state. So it was like, well, who do we, who do we trust as coaches? Who, who are the people that we, we're close to and we, you know, we value and both of them. We, we think a great people and great coaches and it was like, well, maybe we, maybe we'd try this, where I see Mike and UC Mark and see how that goes.

“And it was kind of, I would say, instant feedback. I, I think I finished, um, I think I finished nine”

to my first tournament with Mike at the Spanish, uh, the Spanish Open. And I think my brother played really well somewhere. And then that was kind of it. It was kind of lifted off from the hair really, um, which is, yeah, crazy to think about all it was. It was just, it was just, you and Matt, like, on a phone call, like, venting to each other, like, they and my game sucks, right? Me too.

Yeah, like, it was, it was, we didn't have a phone call, but it was like, well, my game sucks in your game sucks. How are we going to, we're going to get out of this. So, uh, yeah, that was, that was the answer. And, you know, I'm thankful that we, that's the, that's the, the profile end down. And what, what's changing the golf swing? Like, walk me through that, like, what, what's the swing feel or, you know,

what's the improvement you made over the last nine months?

Yeah, so my, my tendencies have always been my left arm kind of gets out of

away from my body. Um, it used to lean into kind of low squeeze cuts that I always, I never felt like I could optimize my driving. And if I didn't kind of, if I didn't low squeeze, I would back up and then I would hit it right. So I would have a two way back to play. Uh, so what we did was, yeah, yeah, what we did. What we did, just name here again, what do you give us, it's fun. Yeah,

that's on his phone number, you know, after the call. So we basically worked on a bit more kind of connection with my left arm, but, um, just more structure in the back swing. That was honestly really it. It was kind of having it a little bit shorter, a little wider. Um, it kind of walked to a stage where it was quite loopy at the top, so then I would almost lose my, um, club even more, and then I

would, um, um, and it was, yeah, it took a little bit of time to kind of get used to because my swing was so long before that having it short felt really short. So, but yeah, just just more structure in my, in my swing, and that, it was the thing that really improved my driving and kind of gave me a lot of opportunities to score. I'm, I'm curious about a lot of technical stuff as it

relates to, you know, you can, you can talk through all that, you can, you can make a swing change, you can take it on the range, you can practice with it, you can. What, what makes a golf swing hold up really well in big, massive, competitive moments like you've been in the last several months. Like, what you just

put, you know, because I guess raised your floor of your swing to say, like, hey, even when my nerves are high, when I'm feeling different, when I'm in contention, a stronger baseline to get me started here, uh, you know, helps keep my floor raised. I'm just kind of curious, because it's so different to pull things than, than, and massive pressure situations. Yeah, it's a

funny one. I, for some reason, I've always been of the assumption for my

own golf thing that if it looks a little better, I feel like I can compete more. Um, I don't know if that is, you look at someone like Adam Scott or Rory where the swing just looks so good. It feels like they're never not going to compete. Um, but for me, I always felt like there were things in my swing I didn't like, and I felt like if I could get rid of them, I would

“probably have more confidence to go and play well. And I think that was”

you know, having, having a slightly better technique and a bit more consistency is definitely good for the mental side and coming down the stretch, but I think knowing that I'm happy with my swing and where it's at that I can go and be comfortable hitting the shots that I want to hit. And yeah, I felt really comfortable, you know, down the stretch in

a couple of the tournaments that I've, um, contended in, and yeah, it's been, it's been a lot of fun.

Um, Alex, I, I, I'd never seen you play, and then I made a point to get

out, uh, Saturday at the US open, and I picked you up on the 7th hole, the, the par 3, and I, I watched, um, watch the T shot on 8. And I was actually, I was really, uh, impressed, surprised by you have a unique move, and the way you use your left foot, the way you use the ground at impact. And like, it has that, I was wondering if that's new

or if you always, uh, you know, generated that ground force, uh, with the left foot. Um, it's funny. So, when I worked with Robert, and he, um, is someone who uses all the force plates, all the ground force stuff, um, and that was kind of where I discovered that I did that. I didn't even know that was something that I did. I didn't pay enough attention

to it, or what I actually did for my swing, but, um, I would say I've

always been someone who has a lot of rotational force. I would, I would say that would be my

“class at Superpower is what he used to call it. I mean, I think if you've seen”

my brother swing at the moment, he's been trying to get his left foot out of the way to where it looks like he's going to fall over. So, I was kind of looking that I've kind of always had that and not had to worry too much about speed or distance. But yeah, it's something that comes natural to me, and I, I, it just helped me, I think, clear my hips a bit more and get out of the way.

Yeah. Um, and, and you, it has driving accuracy been like, if you look at your stats, what, what has been, you know, what, what have you done better to now, you know, forth at the Cadillac or forth at the truest, night at the Cadillac, one of the Zurich, like, what, what would you attribute that to hitting more fairways? Because your approach game seems like it's always been pretty solid. Yeah, I would say my, my approach play and, and my

chipping from the crap has always been, uh, my two strongest thoughts on my game. So, for the, I think like hitting so many more fairways has been just such a, um, such an improvement for me, because I think, because my, my approach play has been so good for a while. I think you just having the opportunity to hit shots from the fairways being so beneficial for me that, um, yeah,

“just, just as many fairways as I can possibly hit is as being the key to the bag of 100%.”

What, can you take us back in time? A lot of people were introduced to you through the Netflix series, uh, you know, kind of documenting your relationship with Matt and you got to play in the Zurich and things like that, that Matt and the success Matt has had. Can you take us to what you're, what your belief level was in yourself at that time versus what it was say in February of this year, versus what it was in May, kind of, did you ever have to convince yourself you were one of the best

players in the world are capable of being one of the best players in the world? What is your, kind of belief in yourself been like, what's that journey been like over the last several years? Um, that's a good question. I, I think, given two or three years ago when I was coming at a college or I was, you know, my first year on the DP will tour, I think you all, for me personally, I always, I feel like I always kind of had the, in a self-belief that I could be one of the better

players in the world and I think I found it really hard when it took me a long time to kind of, uh, to show with my game is good enough and I think it's, yeah, it's golf is a frustrating game, like you got like you guys know to where, you know, you have, you either have a lot of close shades or you don't play very well for a long time and it definitely keeps kicking you down and it's very hard to talk yourself out of it. Um, and that's kind of, again, why I'm thankful that I've had

the year I've had because I think in March of this year or February this year, um, my game kind of really improved and I really started to feel like I was becoming, um, you know, one of the top 100 plays in the world and then, um, over a certain, we were, we were favorites. I think going into the Zurich after, after we both won. So it was like suddenly there was more expectation on

paired is not belong to my brother helps, but yeah, I think, um, yeah, it's a, it's a frustrating

“game and I think the hard thing is you need, sometimes it feels like you need results to, to almost”

prove your self-belief that you, you know, you were a good golfer and you deserve to be one of the better plays in the world and, um, luckily for me, this year has definitely shown that my hard work and a lot of the sacrifices I've made has, has been, you know, for the, for the, for the good. Yeah, uh, this might be anecdotal, but it feels like you play well on hard golf courses. I think back to the course in India, uh, and I look at some of your results like, I don't know if

this proves out a catalac look like a hard course, you know, blue monster. Uh, I think Quail Hall is a beast memorial. Do you, is that, are you at home? And I would say your brothers also kind of like, you see a hard setup, you kind of think, you know, Matt's going to play well. Is that, did, do you feel that way? Our birdy, like, is an MX, like a birdy fest not a setup for you? I'm curious how you think about that. Uh, for me, I don't know. I don't like birdy fest because

I don't put good enough to, to compete in the business. So, I think looking at the results that I've had over the past couple of years, they've all been like true lined hard golf courses. I don't think I've ever done well round like open golf courses to where people can get away with hitting drivers miles off line. Like I played the, the Scottish Open this year and I was seeing some t-shirts that I'm like, if that was a memorial, that was at Quail Hall or you'd be making 10,

but they're making four or birdy or whatever. And especially now with Matt, my driving improving,

“I think I need golf courses that require hard shots. And I think that's where I definitely”

play my best golf. What was your expert going into Zurich this year? You know, you just come

off the win in India, you know, obviously Matt has had an incredible start to the year.

It's kind of got to be hard knowing what comes with a win. Like, no one else had what you had on the line in terms of, uh, that was in contegiate at least in terms of like, what, what's something like, you know, a lot of guys were eligible for the next couple of tournaments or whatever that might be. You had nothing beyond that event. Well, what was the pressure like of that in one that for you? And then your brother, who, uh, there's no one in the world, I'm sure that he would rather

support it and kind of help out in this situation. What was the pressure like for me? We saw him with a US open. Like he's handled pressure on his own very well, but that had to be a completely unique style of pressure that he had coming down the stretch of it. And if I hope you gave him some crap afterward, like he kind of showed some of the pressure on that back nine at Zurich as well. Yeah, I, uh, it's funny. I didn't sleep at all Saturday night. I mean, it didn't really, I think,

I didn't really realize the pressure on like Thursday Friday because it just felt like they were,

you know, the first two days and you're trying to get through them. And I think the leaderboard is always

so compact as you can't really separate yourself. And then we played really well Saturday. I was there. I think we were 15 under something stupid. Everything kind of kept going in. And then I just

“remember not sleeping at all. I think I ordered benjays at like 10 p.m. because I was like, I can't”

sleep in a hungry. So I had them at like 11/3. And I'm like, I just can't sleep at all. So and then I remember going to the putting green in the morning was like, I had to ask him, I really had to sleep and he was like, yes, slept like a log. I'm like, that's just crazy to me. But yeah, I think coming down the stretch, I couldn't imagine the pressure he had on himself to, to, to to try and get over the line for me. Obviously he hit some shots down the stretch that

I don't think he'd normally hit in a different tournament. But, you know, he's trying to do it for me and he wants me to be here. And yeah, I couldn't fathom, you know, the pressure he put on himself. But, you know, I think we both did a really good job of managing it. And, you know, we kept ourselves in it all the way to the last hole. So we made it, we made it from everyone at home. And then, I mean, so Monday morning, it's like, your, your whole schedule just changed, right?

Like, your whole, your, you now live in a different country. Like, you know, you're going to, so did you immediately start looking for a home base or have you just been on the road since Zurich kind of like, I'll figure it out week to week. Honestly, it's, uh, it's been kind of on the road most times. I've had a couple, I've had like a week or so off every now and then that I've, um, I've tried to figure out where I want to go. But, um, only the past kind of month and a half,

I've really started looking for houses, um, because obviously now, this is the crazy thing is like, hopefully I'll be in the top 30 of the FedEx. So after that time period, there's a few events in

Europe I'll play and then I've got a long time off, which is the first time I'll ever have more than

three weeks off, that in, since I've been pro. So that's something I'm super excited for, but I've also kind of got to find a home. So yeah, it's, it's just nuts. And it, I think when you play well, you kind of want to keep playing, but it gets to stage when I think mentally, not even physically, but mentally, I think you get exhausted, especially with all the changes that have happened in my life. I think it, it became, um, it came a little tiring. I mean, yeah, I give you credit, though, you, you,

there's like, all right, I, um, I need a break, but good rod, man. That's all right. Thank you. Yeah.

“That's what I was like, you know, people have a couple of hot streaks, you know, you win,”

you know, you win the, you know, the, you know, the, you know, the, you know, the, you know, the, the, you know, the, like the, the pessimistic view, you win and, and the, on the deep, we're all touring, you win a team event. Like I was almost more impressed with your run through the signature events that you got into immediately after that. It was like, you just immediately launched yourself into this, into this category. I guess when you, when you are, you know, you get transported right into

those complete change of pace, were you still writing complete confidence as you got into all of those or was there any, did you have any like, and posture syndrome, not the right word there, but did you have any look around of like, oh, is this where I really should be feeling that taking into your mind said and how you were able to succeed so much in that, that run that extended past the Zurich. Yeah. I think once I, once I played in Miami, I mean, everyone was so friendly

with me that week. It was unbelievable. I had every player pretty much in every caddy come up to me in my caddy and be like, hey, we're happy you're here, like, great work. And that was something I was a little taken back by because I didn't really know how people would respond to me being out

“there. But yeah, I think I felt really comfortable straight away and, you know, I think part of”

that is obviously being around my brother who's one of the best plays in the world has definitely made me more comfortable and I think also I just, I've come to the conclusion that like these superstars are just, they're literally just human beings who are pretty good at sport, like it's, they're just normal people who play golf or living and I think that's for me where I've been very looking and fortunate to where I don't, I don't get like, staff struck by the people

around me or at least in golf I would say. So I've always felt pretty comfortable being around

these players and playing against them and, and I think that's the nice thing is playing these signature events is like you're going to play with superstars in, in all of them events and you just kind of, you've got to get on with it, like golf is golf and it doesn't change no matter where you are in the world if you can get that hole in the hole as quick as possible then that's all you care about. I'm curious just with, if my math is right, something like $4.8

million earned and just a 10 of, and 10 events on the PGA tour this year, where are you looking to live? Where have you, you know, there's this something you would have thought of prior to the Zurich in any way of like, I'd love to live here or here's where I would be the best place for me to strategically base myself for for professional golf and for life. I'm always curious about especially Europeans that they kind of most of them end up in Florida in some way. But what's the,

how you, how you judge the hierarchy of all the big cities that professional golfers live in and are you, you know, are you asking people from different places kind of what their experiences have been like? I've definitely asked people about where they live and what they think, but my brother

“being in Florida for so long, I think it would be nice to be close to him, not too close so I don't”

have to spend much time with him, but close enough to where he's around. So for me, like, I think Palm Beach is where I'm ideally going to be base myself. I mean, I've been a member of a place called the Diaposerve for about three or four years and yeah, I just say, I can't believe that, yeah, four months ago, I was, yeah, I didn't have any of these thoughts going on in my head and then suddenly it's like, holy crap, this is, this is where it is. So yeah, I'll be, I'm excited to look for houses,

I'm excited to base myself, have a home here and yeah, I know it gets hot and Florida, so I'll keep going, go up to New York, but yeah, it's, it's been fun. That's for sure. Are you, you're up in New York now, you're hitting, you hitting balls of Chelsea peer, you know, because as a New York city golfer for a long time, just hop up there, man. I have no, I'm not, I'm putting the clubs away, I'm having some, some well-owned rest, so I'm, yeah,

trying to make the most of being in New York by visiting everything and doing my thing. Is that so, and then take that to the offices and are you, I know you have it because of, you know, you're trying to make it, but like, are you the type of person that wants to put the clubs away for like the month of December, for instance? Like, does that, does time away from the game help you or do you get antsy to get back to, to work in? It's funny, I, I mean, I love golf,

I love playing golf, I love competing, I used to be of the opinion where like, I would always

want to keep playing and practicing, and I think my issue is like, once I finish the tournament, it will be like three or four days of kind of feeling guilty about not playing a practice in, and then if I have more time, I'm happy to put the clubs away, that's just, I think you need, I think everyone needs like a mental reset, and for me, like, once I get over them three days of guilt, I feel way better, so it's amazing how nice it is once you come back, because you get,

you're excited to come back and you're excited to practice and play once you have that break, I think that was the nice thing about it. Is it the golf you need a break from or is the travel

it's got to be, that that seems to be to me, I would imagine just to be like, just the fact you guys take your show on the road every week, and granted your travel gets condensed a little bit more, now that you're playing full time in the US versus what you were doing, and you need your passport a little bit, a little bit less, and that process probably smooths it a little bit, but is it, you know, how have you seen that the balance of those two things?

Yeah, for me, obviously the travel is more cheesy than traveling around the world on the TV world tour, but I think that what it is is the like consistency of what you do at a tournament, like you wake up early, you probably go to the gym before you play, you have breakfast, you then warm up, then you practice after you play, and then you go back to the gym or you're doing some form of recovery, and that's like, that's every day, so it's not like you have, I mean,

you can take easier days as a golfer, and that's kind of the, the lucky thing we have the opportunity to do that, but there's not many guys out there that that have a break and have rest, like during tournament weeks, and it's just like waking up and doing the same thing all the time, I think that's where it can get a little tedious, and it can become tiring, and I think that's why the breaks are so nice, because you get excited to get back into that routine.

Alex, I want to go back to Shinnikar, that same, same round I was watching you. I watched

“you on 11 that day, and I think I can't remember if you hit it long, it didn't go well, long left,”

and then you missed a shorty, and you were, you were hot walking off that green. I think the, because I was standing up by the T on 12, and you walk by, you're telling your catty like, that's the dumbest golf hole I've ever seen, which was sick. I was like, because as a fan, I stood there for two hours, I love that golf hole, but my, I guess my question is like, how often are you evaluating course architecture while you're playing? Because 11's a famous hole,

so I'm just, I don't know, take me back to that moment, are you just hot, or because you missed that pot, or, you know, I'm so curious about that. It's a good thing you don't ask my catty this, 'cause he'll sell you a complain about everything you call up. Definitely more of a heat, well, that golf hole is just impossible. I don't know how people play that hole. I hit one great shot there, it might have been Saturday, and I think I hit it to like 15 feet, and the pin was

all the way the back, and then the three foot. Yeah, that's not what you did hit the green. I would never

find it. I'm not or not. Yeah, I finally hit great shot. I'm like, oh my god, I'm going to make part, and then I missed a shot when I made bogey, and I was a few big. And that meanwhile, on Friday, I got opened down from the left side to make part, and I was like, this is just, it was just a silly golf hole, like, I think, because it was windy as well, and you hit, I think, a tiny into that green that has like five yards of room. It's just, it's just a difficult golf hole, but it's the same

for everyone. Everyone's hitting it into the same area, and yeah, there's definitely a heat in the moment thing. I loved it. I mean, that would be like a gacha, it was just so, it was so, it was very human. You know what I mean? It's like, it was very relatable, because I'm, you know, I play that hole too, and I did not do well. There's something too pro golfers too, like, finding a way to to blame ish and the blame may be not the right way. Blame something else from a confidence

standpoint of, like, that's the hole's fault. That's not it. It's not my fault. You can never blame

“you can never blame the golf. That's what you're going to read. It's never my fault.”

I'm curious, kind of, coming off this major championship season here. You played in the open championship, I think, in 2023, if I remember right, but kind of your first run through, you know, playing the last three majors that you played here. What, what, we can, as viewers, can kind of get a glimpse in understanding of what the differences are in a major championship set up versus what you kind of see week to week now on the, on the PGA tour. But how would you describe

the difference, the margins, and everything you've learned, I guess, about major championship golf here in the last couple of months? Do you want the Tayman, sir? Do you want the, the, do you want the camera answered? Do you want the reel? I've played in this year. I felt like they just keep putting pins on the most critting the craziest spots that you can find them. That for me is like the big, the big thing I've learned, where like PGA tour events, they put

them on flat spots that you can, you can, they can be accessible and, um, but they're like hard, they're good pins, whereas the majors for whatever reason they're putting them on looks like three

“percent slopes, and you just, it's really hard to get close. And I think that's what,”

I mean, that's what's so impressive about the guys who are playing well that week, because sometimes you're playing these events, it's like how on earth they shoot, like two guys

shot eight under, um, last week at the open. And that, it was just how you'd never saw eight under,

like not even close. And that, I think that's the impressive thing is like not only they put it on, like silly slopes, there's also a lot of wind, and then you got to manage the pop bump because last week, and definitely just from a close out, they just make it as hard as possible.

That's interesting, because I think there's a part of, here me, hearing you say that part of me,

is like, oh, hell yeah, it should be. It should be really hard. Let's see who the best golfers are. Let's, but at the same time, it feels like, you know, I guess does it feel like at times they, they do this with, with hiding pins that feels just like score suppression and less of a test of golf, which I know can be a, a hornets nest of a question here of like, you know,

“I think the best player's probably going to win no matter what, but I think there was a little”

bit of this at Ron to make at least in my opinion of really, really, really hard pins to the point where if you're kind of out of position off the tee or in a really good position, either way, you couldn't really get close to it. And it kind of diminished a little shot value. And there, I'm curious, kind of, whether or not you walked off those courses and were like, oh, now, you know, if I was better at blah, blah, blah, I could get closer to these holes or it felt like,

almost nobody could get close to it. Was that a great test of golf? Hope that makes sense. Yeah, I think, I definitely think if you play well, you can, you can, you can still score. I think it's very, they make it very hard for you to shoot seven A under. I think a really good score in these majors that I've played in have been like three or four under, which I think is, you know, you move up a lot of the leaderboard. Again, I think I've only played the three,

I haven't played the masters, which is the one that I've dreamed of as a kid and it's tree line, so I'm hoping that would help me. But it is definitely felt like the punishment has been like, where the pins are and also like, if you miss the fairway by five yards, it seems to be,

“you kind of screwed, but if you miss it by like 50, you seem to have shots. And I think that was the”

reason I think I was a little frustrated with a couple of them was just felt like that you were hitting decent shots down the off the tee and you kind of getting punished, especially at the PGA, like if you miss the fairway by two yards and the PGA, you were moving it 50 yards. It was kind of nuts, but

you miss it by 30 and certainly these guys were having shots of the greens, which I just never saw.

But that's all, I'm new to this, like it's all part and parcel of it, so that's just, you know, something I'm adjusting to. And yeah, hopefully, next year, I can figure out a better approach to try and try and climb up the lead board. This again, might be kicking a hornet's nest with this question, because it's always a hard topic to speak on in a brief way, but do you have any any concern? Because what you're describing there, I think my mind immediately goes towards equipment,

rollback and all kinds of conversations around this, where I just, my opinion, if somebody's blowing at 30 yards offline, it shouldn't go as far as it does, right? I think is where some of the imbalance comes from. Are you up to speed at all on any of the discussion around rollback around the game? What is potentially coming with the golf ball here in now 2030? And how that might affect a player like you or are you just head down and focused on what you can control?

I wouldn't say I'm big into kind of understanding and realizing what's going on with the ball, but I've heard multiple different things. I've heard that rolling the ball back is only going to make it better for the guys who hit it further, which then defeats the purpose of rolling the ball back. But I'm also, I love kind of making like creating shots and seeing shots and I don't know. I think it's harder to do with the ball we play right now, so I think it would be easier to do

with the ball that would be rolled back, but I don't know what the right answer is. I think it's a tough one and I don't really know where they're going to go with it, and I also don't really know what the general public would want. I don't know if there would be like a ball for the pros or a ball from the amateurs, and if so, I think that's kind of crazy that you would play a different

“ball to what the pros play, because that's part of it, right? Like if you want to play”

a tireless, pro v1x that has a dot on it, because the pros play it, and that might give you some enjoyment out of that, or like hitting the shots that you think the pros may be able to hit. So I don't really know kind of what the right answer is, and again, they kind of keep changing, so I guess we'll just have to see with it. Well, we'll come back to you in a couple of years. You get your Zillos stuff dialed. You got a lot. That's a lot of other stuff. We'll keep talking

about here. But you didn't mention like hitting shots, fuel shots, your brother has always been

kind of the narrative as like data boy, you know, tracking his stats. Are you, and I've heard, you know, you said, or he may be saying about you that you're more of a fuel player, but where do you, would you define yourself as a more of a fuel player, or are you tracking stats? Like how do you approach that part of the game? I mean, I've actually tracked my stats for a long time. I just do ease in a different dimension when it comes to stats. Like it's the craziest stuff I've ever seen

in my life. But like I record my stats for them to be inputted so I can see, you know, where I'm gaining, where I'm losing that sort of stuff. But I'm way more of a fuel player. Like I would,

too much, like my head can't comprehend all the numbers. So I'm way better at just seeing and doing rather than all the math behind it. I'm curious, maybe this question's even for Neil, of like Neil, Neil has two sons. And I would ask Neil, like, can you picture a world where both of your sons are like top 40 golfers in the world or top athletes in a particular sport? Like are your parents just like through the, like, I can't even imagine the pride your parents

must feel, watch it. But the two of you guys succeed in the way you guys have.

“Yeah, I can't, I can't honestly imagine how they feel. I think the part of them is a little”

upset and disappointed, because it means that I won't be back in England. But yeah, I, you know, I think having two kids that have dreamed of being out here and being, you know, playing golf together. I think the the happiest thing for them is that we're together more. I think that's the the nice thing that, from their perspective is we get to spend time together, which we haven't done in the past 10, 12 years. So for them, I think it's nice having us together and it makes it

easier for the travel for them that we're going to be in the same spot each time. Well, it would be an uncle here soon, too, right? Yeah, about weeks time. Yeah, I, the fun of golf. It's a good deal. I, I, I, I put that role for, oh, I enjoy that role. Uh, sometimes more than be a dead, with a kiddos. So, uh, a question for you, like, it's not just your brother. I mean, you went to wake forest and I feel like around some talent there with, with Cam, young on the squad. Did you see,

like, I feel like Cam's had to break out. You're, did you, did you see this when he was your teammate? Like, is this, is it, do you think he's under, I don't know, under achieved or over? You know what I mean? Like, where, where was he at when he was your teammate? Cam was one of the, I would say the very few people that I've played golf with and been like, wow, this kid is like, this is seriously good. So for a long time, I couldn't believe that he hadn't done as well as he

hoped. Um, I honestly believe that like this year is the golf that he would be playing for a long time. Uh, he's just hits the ball the long way. It's approached by his great. He's got, uh, I don't think people realize how good his hands are. Like, his, his short game is a joke. Um, and then once he

once he finds the putter heart, it's, you know, it's hard to catch. So I've always felt like he was going

to do really well. It was just a more of a matter of time than, than anything else. But, um, he's great. He's great. I love him to bits. He's not changed since, since college, mumbles all the time and changed because people think he's unhappy, but he's not, and yeah, he doesn't change, which I

“think is the, is the best thing. Uh, you talked earlier about structure in the backswing.”

Uh, when you said that, I think, I think about camiong. I mean, talk, I mean, talk about like, struggle, like the way he pauses at the top. Yeah, such as like incredible golf swing, just a unique move. Yeah, that was funny. I actually, um, talking about my left arm kind of shifting out more in my swing. One of the, with me McCoy to try to figure out how to help with my, my left arm staying more connected. One of the things we looked at was like, hey, pork, pausing is a good method.

So like, I, I obviously have spent so much time with cam that I know that he pauses like mad, and then I actually sure a video of him talking about white pauses and I was like, yeah, this could, this could work. So we ended up doing it as a drill to start, and I think it's really steeped into my swing to where I get to the top. And I'm, I feel like I'm pausing, so my arms don't

get shifted out. Um, so yeah, basically I'm just copying cam and hoping that everything works.

Yeah. Yeah. You mentioned there like copying, and I've heard guys say this when they, when they've come out on tour or, you know, and when they're ruckies or, and then in your case, kind of come out on the PJ tour, is it, you know, you're around so many world class players. You're playing with a different level of players on a much more frequent basis. Is there any, like, do you ever walk off a course and feel like, oh, he's doing it like this. Maybe I need to think

about doing it like this. And guys, you know, maybe lost their focus on some things because they see different techniques or they see different, you know, ball flights or things like that has any of that affected you in any way. Things you've seen and I've just been like, oh, I'm going to need to get a lot better at this like so. And so if I really want to compete, and then be a top 10 player, so. I think putting from my point of view is the reason as to why I think there's this guy that

do well week in week out. My point hasn't always been my strongest suit, so I'm hopeful that if I

work hard enough that can improve, and I think that's from my point of view, I think that's the reason as to why I haven't done as well in the past as, as what I would hope. But I would say,

“other than that, I've, you know, everyone, everyone does differently, and I think that's what's”

so unique about golf is everyone has their style of golf and and how they play, and that's what

hand noodle. I'm sure you're going to everyone's different, and they just make it work.

All right, so with putting though, right that down for me, is it as specific? Is it

“pace that you need to work on lags? Is it like, is it attitude? Puttings an interesting one,”

like, or to make it an easier question, maybe, who's putting do you admire and why? Well, yeah, it's easy for me to say my brother, because I feel like he's one of the best putters in the world, but what I played with, I played with Ricky, Fowler quite a bit recently, and then Danny McCarthy of the two, I just walked the way they put like they put with no fear, they're okay with rolling it for a five feet past, and yeah, everything just looks like there was

in the middle of the whole, so you see that there are the people I'd look at and be like, well, what are they doing that works for them, and how do they read the greens, and trying to pick up on little things that might be able to help you gain, but also you don't want to go over and be like, hey, mate, what's making you so fun and fun? What can I do to improve? So you kind of ain't going to do it on the slide. Yeah. What's your, how have you, from like a, you know, just mentioned

putting being an attitude kind of thing? What is your, just in your entire career, entire golf life? What's been your mental confidence journey been like? What, what, what have you learned about kind of the mental side of golf, and do you have like a, you know, when you're approaching some of these pressure situations, do you have a mantra, do you have any like kind of techniques that help you through some of these pressure situations that are maybe, you know, mechanisms,

“you're using from the mental side. I'm always curious to pick guys brains on this. The best way”

I can describe that would be when when we played the Zurich on Sunday on the 17th, the only thing that was going on in my head was, please don't hit it in the piss. That was like, oh, man, I don't need to sit here. Oh, yeah, I would say that from a mental side, I could probably do with a little bit of improvement, but I think you just, being playing golf with these guys and playing well and being in contention, I think you get easier with doing that. So the more you can do that, I think that's

why I like Rory so good is, you know, I think a normal person would feel an extreme amount of pressure on a Sunday in contention, and I don't even know if he probably feels it in a regular pj tour event because of what he's doing in the game. So, yeah, I think I think it's something that you can get better at with with time, and from my point of view it, I felt comfortable with my game, especially at the moment to where I don't feel as worried or anxious when I'm coming down the stretch. But

typically in the past, like trying to win for the first time, and I've not got across the line,

you definitely feel some nerves, and you know, you're like shaking arm shaking. It definitely makes it tough to kind of control what I think breathing is plays a big role in that. Do you, what's kind of your relationship like with your brother in terms of like sharing advice or notes back and forth on something like that? Like if you, do you guys help you to have a technical stuff with mental stuff, like kind of, you know, do you have a dividing line in your

professional careers in some way that doesn't let it affect your relationship, I'm curious, kind of how that works. And say, we used to, used to do that, and now more of his opponents, say, he doesn't share as much shame. Now we, in old fantasy, we do talk a little bit, but not, not low, I mean, I think it's a strange one, because we're feel like we've both got to where we've got to in the game just by doing our own thing. And there's been moments, I would say more from

kind of him, maybe helping me a little bit with some things, but he's a little stubborn. He wouldn't listen to me anyway, even if I, off of my help. So we tend to just to do our own thing, and that seems to be working. Hypothetical. I'm going to see if there's a way I could, I could phrases. Let's say you're trailing Matt by, like, four going into the final round, but you shoot 68, and he shoots 70, you walk in, you see, he shoots, he shoots 73, what's your reaction?

Or you're like, "Oh, God, I, oh, yeah, God, I'm already here." Look, if I, as long as I win, and he finishes second, that's like the next, the ideal scenario, I wouldn't, I obviously want him to do as well as possible, and I just don't want him to beat me.

“So, that's the, that's how it is. Yeah, I think so. One more, wait for us question. Old town,”

one of my favorite courses in the US. How do you feel about that course? Did you realize what a good golf course it is, being a home course for WAKE? I wish that I would have paid more attention to how good it was. I think when you leave, and you realize what you had,

it was like, that place was amazing. I think the only downside, I think, was it was on the wider side

off the tee, but like for approach plays and the condition of the golf course, it was incredible. And I, yeah, we shared it made, we shared it, we kind of looked at it a little different and

they were so good with us on the team and let us play whenever we want, and the guys were

in the pro, so we're always amazing. So yeah, I'm actually going back, I play the windows,

so I'm going to go back the day before, and I'm going to go see it all and maybe play around there and try and enjoy it. And then quick follow up on that. Any courses like this year, PGA tour courses that have really stood out for you, that you're like, "Man, I really like this golf course." From a genuinely relevant from how I played, I really liked the Quail Hollow. I've liked it before, and I loved Memorial. I thought that was great. It was just really hard.

Then two of the pub with the two that I'm like, "These are, this is really cool, like this is sick to be here."

“Yeah. What kind of adjustments have you made in terms of what your actual future goals are?”

Are you super goal oriented? Are you a write-em-down and kind of has your,

does that like how you practice, how you play, what's your kind of planning on has that,

has that kind of changed in recent months and years knowing now what you're capable of? Yeah. I wrote some goals down at the start of the year. I actually looked in my, in my notebook the other day, and it was like, "They were all crossed off with enough people." So it was like suddenly, I've got to make new ones. I wrote some new ones down. I wouldn't say like I massively goal-oriented. I'm trying to get better at not getting ahead of myself

and trying to be more present and grounded with the goal, but it's definitely fun to write stuff down and see if you achieve what you want and you can celebrate that. I think that's the biggest thing is like golf happened so fast. Then the Zurich Week and then the next four or five weeks happened so quickly. I felt like I didn't really get chance to celebrate it and I think that's something that I'm super excited for and I think people need to do that otherwise it's before you know it

to light and you just move on to the next thing and you don't get chance to appreciate what's happened. What's aside from the actual on-course successful on the golf course? What's but what's the coolest thing that's happened off the course as a result of it? Somebody you've heard from or

“just any, in some way your life is changed or somewhere that you're looking to be like, "Well,”

I can't believe that this happened." That's a great question. The coolest thing that the real cool thing that happened was we, me and my brother were at the Grove, which is Michael Jordan's place and we, me and my brother were sat there. This was just after the Zurich. We sat there and Gary Woodland was sat at the bar so there was just three of us in the room and he just got you just won the PJ Tour event the week after and Michael walks in and he pats me on the shoulder and part of my friend

but he walked past me and he was like, "It's just a room full of fucking winners in here." That was like that's so cool because he just strolled in with his cigars and it was like, "This is the coolest thing ever." I would say that by far, the thing I would be like, "This is unbelievable." But yeah, that's, yeah, that's, well, follow-up that that's an awesome story. But I've got the, I caught the, the kind of the rust-handly test, you know,

rust has had an awesome career made a bunch of money but I mean rust can still walk through the air by vastness directly. I'm like, you know, you walk through the airport, like nobody knows who you are. Like, are you, have you been recognized in public a little bit more outside of a golf setting? Airports, you know, I'm talking about like non-golf settings. No, no, no one cares who I am now.

All right, that's the dream. That's the dream, though. You know what I did? Like, you could still be normal outside of the, outside of the ropes. I don't know how, I really can't understand how, like, Rory and Tiger do it. I mean, they can't go anywhere without people pestering them for, for stuff. And I think that's the, that's the thing

I appreciate most about is like, it's, it's amazing to have a great career and stuff. But

“you can, if you can still live a normal life and I think that is, that's the best thing that could”

happen. All right, we're going to let you out on that story because that was fantastic. This is a room full of fucking winners right here as well. If I may say, but congrats on all your success, that's been awesome. Thank you. You're an easy guy to root for and we appreciate you spending some time with us in best of luck. No, thank you very much. I'd say, hold off to see if you win the FedEx cup, though, until you, like, buy that house because you could be shopping at a whole

different tax bracket for that better. I have, I can only hope. So, I got hopefully 29 of the players to be. God, I'd love to see your Zillow results, man. That's, that's fun. Congratulations. Keep us posted on that. I want to tell you. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. Thank you. Bye.