147. LIB S10 Eps. 7-9 Reactions + Millennial Nostalgia of Hilary Duff and ANTM

Welcome to another episode of Out of the Pants Happy Wednesday. I still want to say, I'm deep deep and I'm now, I know, it's so weird, I feel like it's just going to be wired into my brain for the rest of my life. I know. I know.

I'm going to be dreaming about it. Have you been following the story of Alyssa Lou, so she just won gold at the 2026 Winter Olympics

“for the Women's Singles Figure Skating Competition?”

Okay, I have to tell you, I legit have not been watching the Winter Olympics at all. I have an ether.

Yeah, but I always love watching figure skaters and I heard about Alyssa.

Apparently, this is Alyssa 2.0 coming back, right? Or something? Yeah, she went into retirement. I think four years ago and then came back one or two years ago and not only did she win the World Championships, but now she's a gold medalist.

She's a damn gold medalist. No, retiring at the age of 16 and coming back like a few years later out of retirement and doing so well. Four, like 20, that's crazy. I know that's crazy. I was like retiring at 16, the dream, the dream. I was like, if I could have retired at 16, I would have no absolutely wouldn't want to.

I was working at the pool as a lifeguard and I was like, if I could have retired, you as a lifeguard, but just doesn't those who just don't add up in my head. I know, really I just sat there and just watched.

No, I didn't have to say that anyone, never had to say that.

No, thank goodness. No, it's actually kind of crazy to think about people who have so much talent. I literally have no talent. Yeah, I always say I am a woman of very few interests and passions. What are your hobbies?

I would say tennis. I like reading only when it's like a thriller novel, romance game out of here and can't do that. But that's pretty much it. Anything else, I'm like, let me think, yeah, I have no other interests, music and interest is going to rest on some interest, but I don't have like a deep interest in anything

and I don't really have a hobby, like it's going on walks a hobby, I don't think so.

“I think so, like yeah, it could be, but I was like, what a boring hobby.”

I kind of like going on walks, okay, like cool, it's like you have to decide to the walk, yeah. Like, oh, I listen to true crime podcasts on this specific walk, like, you know what I mean? Like maybe then it's a hobby. No, I mean, like Alyssa Lou, I saw her free skate, like the routine that led to her gold medal.

I saw it on YouTube and it's going viral, like it's just so, so good. She's so joyful on the ice and I was like, oh my gosh, like, what is that feeling to not only be really good at something, but be like so passionate and so happy and doing it. Yeah, I can clearly tell you that I have not one thing comes to mind, I don't know where I'm like, oh my gosh, that makes me so happy, besides helping people, that's pretty

much it. I don't like anything else, it's my only passion in life. Are you like so joyful doing it?

“Yes, that's the only thing that gives me joy in life, I think, is helping people, which”

is why I love when my friends come to me for advice. I know, I was trying to think, you know what's crazy. So I thought everyone my age was like me, like, no passions or hobbies really, like, it's

always like traveling, eating at a restaurant, like blah, blah, blah, maybe throw improv

in there, but I was like, I don't know if I'm like that passion about it. So I went to dinner with my girlfriends last week and I'm like, talking about, oh, you know, like, do you have any hobbies or passions? And they're like, yeah, like, we love going rock climbing, you know, I'm part of a soccer league.

I've been going to a pottery class for like five years now. I'm like, since when I was like, when have you been doing all these things? You're like, my husband and my wife, I had no way to get my friends were doing these things. Yeah.

And they're like, oh, like, we just don't really talk about it, but like, we love doing it during the week, like, you know, like rock climbing. One of my girlfriends was like, yeah, like, I love going to rock climbing twice a week. Like, I've been going into this gym for like four years now. I was like, since when, yeah, so why is this the first time I've been hearing about this, how come this has not been

in the group chat? Yeah, it's like, oh, it's like a passion of mine. I have known you since I was 18.

And that's the thing when friends like get new passions and they're like, trying out new

things. I'm like, wait, why didn't I get them up? Well, yeah, I was like, I didn't realize people were doing that. Yeah. Like, I haven't been. No, last year I went back to playing tennis and it was my entire

personality for like, that semester, I'll say, you were a tennis girl. Yeah, and I could not stop talking about it, but then afterwards I fell off because I'm like, okay, I've been there done that. No, what's next? I know.

I signed up for improv classes, so I'm going to improv two in a couple of weeks, which I'm really, really excited for. And my friends were saying, like, I told them this at the dinner and they're like, well, that's your passion and hobby. And I was like, the thing is, it's not, it's just something to do.

“If anything, I think through improv class, I've learned that like, I'm not great at doing”

characters. I just can't. I can't do it. You're really good at doing characters that are like, you just can use your own voice.

Yeah. And your own attitude. No, I remember last class, like, people were like, dobi, you were an old grandpa. And I was just like, I can't do a voice. And I just be me.

Like, that's my only voice I can do. You guys want to hear it? I go, hey, not to be old fashioned. It was so great. It was really weird.

It's just not my thing. People were very uncomfortable. They were like, so God and the other characters in your pocket, I can use. And I was like, nope, that's my only one. Yeah.

I'm more of like a deep thinker. I like to write poetry and you do, oh my gosh, I love.

“Well, not that this was the face, but give me a poem.”

You can't put me on the spot with poetry. It's too deep to talk about on the podcast. Don't you have one that you could just say about the posses. I know you've written one. Let's think of one.

Roses are red, violets are blue. My pod besties are the shit because I don't have it now. You can't even finish it. I'm sorry, can't run on a spot right now. You could have said, you could have said, roses are red, violets are blue.

My pod besties are the shit. And so are me and you. I actually was going to say the new new podcast. But I don't think that you and me are the shit like our pod besties. You know, so it would have been fake.

It would have been false. But no, I do like to write poetry. I like to write. So look, there's a hobby. I also like to write songs.

That don't never see the light of the day.

But I love that. You could be the next Billie Eilin. There's no way. You could be the next Taylor Swift, a songwriter. I could never.

I have no listen. Here's the thing about me. Can you play the guitar? I actually can play happy birthday on the guitar, so that's something. This is Chris energy from Love is Flying.

Oh my god. I swear if I had the same conversation with him, he'd be like, I'm better than Taylor Swift. Even Alex, Alex, Rowley would be like, no, I was just as good as Taylor Swift. Like, if my soccer career didn't end, I would be just as famous and well known as Taylor Swift.

I wouldn't be on Love is Blood. I'd be so big. Oh, Chris. I can't wait to get into the next set of episodes, but I just have to tell you, though.

I feel like Alyssa Lude, like all these amazing athletes.

I wish I had an even an ounce of talent like they did, but I am not really really amazing at one thing.

“I'm like kind of good at a bunch of different things, you know?”

I'm like the opposite where I'm not really good at any little thing. I'm just like mediocre, like can barely do it. I'll do like the bare minimum of everything and that's kind of it. But listen, you know what, I'm glad I'm not an Olympian. Yeah, I just, I don't have the stamina.

I don't have the motivation, but anyways, we digress, I want to hear about the trip that you went on last week. Oh my gosh, Natalie, I had the best time ever. I feel like you relate to this also, but seeing our pod besties, IRL, is probably my favorite part of it.

I love it. When I see pod besties in real life, I'm just like, oh my gosh, I can't believe you know that story or I can't believe, like, you know, you relate to this. But I went to Toronto to go talk in a college at Conestoga College, and I met so many pod besties and I just have to say, that is definitely my favorite part about doing the podcast.

But anyways, at this event, there was a couple girls that I met. Well, yeah, I just realized we're wearing the same sweatshirt. Is that Fab Latix? Yes. Oh, it's so is mine.

Oh, wait. Yes. It's the same. I like it. It looks so familiar.

I was like, I'm wearing the same one, except in a different color, we're going to love that friend. Oh my gosh. Now we're thinking like, and we're dressing alike, I just dumbed up with us. But no, I met some of the coolest people ever when I was at the event.

And we were talking about Hillary Duff. Oh, one of the girls was showing me videos of the Vegas show where Hillary Duff was performing.

And I just have to say, I am so here for the Hillary Duff era again.

I love her older songs. You remember, hey, now, hey, now this is what dream. I'm made up. I'm made up. There was one movie.

I don't know if you remember this, but it's called your voice. Raise your voice. Do her she loses her brother. What the waste mumbling about what? Well, because you know how I said I love feeling deep things and movie with deep.

I forgot that she went to that music school because her brother passed away. Yes, yes. And then the song at the very end that just like made me start balling my eyes out. She performs all of them.

“No, I was going to ask, like, do you remember that scene in the movie?”

Where she's in the classroom?

I know exactly what scene you're talking about already.

There's so many embarrassing moments, but it's so nice. Guys, it's, it's a scene when she's in the classroom and she's being very shy. And I think the teacher asks her to sing. Yes. And it's in the very, like, Hillary Duff voice where she's like, la, la, la, la, la, la.

And then all of a sudden, she hits a high note and she sounds like an opera singer. She's like, ha, ha, ha. You know what's crazy? And it wasn't her voice. It wasn't her voice.

They say you someone else's voice. Like, all of a sudden, she's like, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. No! That was like, I'm like, and you know what's so funny? Is they also did that in the movie where they're in Italy, the Lismaguire movie, where she's like,

this is where dreams are made up. And then you know when she hits that high note, it's definitely not her. I know. Because she has a very distinctive, like singing voice where it kind of sounds like her talking voice.

It's like, this is what dreams and then she's like, oh, no, I don't wanna die. Remember watching it as a kid and being like, wait a minute, that's not her. And I'm singing around you. It was more like, she, oh my gosh, she goes, she's like, ha, ha, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, do you remember, I was like, there's no way they thought they could get away with the song.

Oh my gosh. And this is so unbelievable.

“And honestly, I feel like me and my friends are trying to go to the Hillary tough concert”

when she comes here. Sure. And I need to know if she does the exact same type of voice or like, because she's singing all these nostalgic songs on her tour. Oh my gosh.

So I'm just like, oh my god, even singing like so yesterday or come clean, oh, guys, so yesterday

that helped me through my first heartbreak.

Oh, haven't you heard that I'm gonna be okay. Left it off and let it go. That music video. I'm on, and then, and then, okay, I'll stop. No, it's so good.

No, please keep going. But anyways, I was talking to them and I was like, okay, I need to go. I need to go to this concert and just relive the Hillary tough days. I think the best part about Hillary tough is that she's so like girl next door and she feels accessible.

Like she could be your friend almost. Yeah, probably growing up like watching Lizzy McGuire. I feel like her character was like, I'm not the popular kid. I'm just like a normal kid. Like I bullied sometimes and like, I just, I have like family problems so I loved watching

her. You know what I love about like growing up is like nostalgia, like songs that take me back to time. I was at my high school best friends baby shower two days ago and I've known her since I was like 10 or 11.

They say that if your friends would somebody for over seven years they'll be in your life forever. Yeah, well, she's been in my life for a really, really long time. But there was songs that were playing at our baby shower that like took me back to like, oh my gosh, I remember this time when I was like in your basement and we're 14 years

old and you know, we're like dancing and we're wearing costumes. She had like a costume chest in our basement and we're like, you know, like singing to the song and then another song took me back to like when we were 17 and we're like writing in her car and like stopping by like a fast food joy to like pick up fries. Like things like that.

I was like, oh my gosh, the fact I am feeling so much nostalgia these days. Yes, yes. It's so crazy how like a small song brings you back to, I don't know, it feels like such a long time ago, but when you listen to those songs again, it just brings you back to that memory and it doesn't feel so long ago.

I don't know how to explain it, but that's exactly what Hillary Dough is doing from here right now. Same. I'm just like, oh, bring me back, but it also does make me feel a little old. I know, but I kind of love it.

Now I know how my parents feel when they hear like a song from like the 1970s or something and they're like, oh, I remember when I used to dance to this song and I'm like, I used to be like, okay, yeah. Like when I was young, I'd be like, cool. I know.

And we're getting to that age. Like even talking to some of the college kids, I was just like, this is weird that I'm explaining things to you in this way, but you guys are legit like 12 years younger than me. Yeah.

“22, and they're like, so what should I do about this relationship?”

Oh, my God, by the way, not one of the girls asked me a mild social emergency during my

Yes, and she was, can I just tell you something really quickly about it?

She said that the guy that she's been seeing for Valentine's Day got her a basal plant instead of like flower. Wait, that's kind of cute, but she's like, didn't get me that because it was 399 versus

“like an orchid, which is like 1299, like, oh, why did you go to the vegetable section?”

Oh, my God. Not the flowers. You know, where am I mind? What was like this, a basal plant will be more handy. More handy.

Yeah. Okay. Last longer, you know, like, you need basal sometimes when you cook. Yes. You can't do anything with like a pot of flower.

Okay, but toss it after a week. What's hilarious is that she's a college student living in a dorm, so literally, like, what is she going to do with a basal plant, but me, since we're older, I'm like, a basal plant in the apartment, someone's great, like a fresh herb, because that's what I was thinking in the back of my mind.

Fresh herb. Wow. Like, that's how we know we're old, because I was like, that's why it's kind of nice. I know, I was like, actually, much prefer that than a pot of flowers. No.

But anyways, I thought that was really funny. A pot of flowers. What am I saying? Oh, yeah. What's the focus of a flower?

A pot of flowers. A pot of flowers. Listen, flowers die, but a basal plant lives.

“Because maybe two like your love, you should have been like, I think it's a representation”

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“It is honestly so crazy because I remember watching every single season back in the day,”

me too, and every single time I watched, I've been like, oh my god, this is such a glamorous show. It's so incredible. I wish I could be somebody who could go on this. You know what I mean?

Yeah, it's cool. Oh my god, these women are about to be models. Yeah. And they're like doing photo shoots. I mean, it was such an entertaining show.

I remember I watched the first several seasons religiously when I was in my teens.

Yeah. Watching it back now and then watching the documentary, I'm just hit with like holy crap. How did we allow this to happen on reality TV? I know. Like why did we think that was okay?

That's what I was thinking too, because some of the things that they're talking about in the documentary, I remember seeing in high school, like when I was watching the show, I remember seeing those scenes. Yeah. And I don't think I thought anything of it.

Sure, it's really messy and you know, they're not being treated. Well, at the time, I did think they're being treated poorly. I thought, oh, it's reality TV. It's supposed to be kind of messy and like kind of crazy. Yeah.

Like they're supposed to go through this test because they're getting such a big reward at the end. And then I think that led me like over the years when I watched crazy reality TV shows and someone's complaining about their time on one before we did love his mind. I would think like, well, they signed up for it.

Like they've seen the prior seasons, like they knew. And then after we did love his mind, I realized it's like not so simple. No, not at all. And like there is a lot of like manipulation that goes on. I guess what I'm trying to say is like watching that documentary, I was like, how come

there are so many adults working on the show and they love the shit to have. Yeah. And it makes me think like I understand that the times were different when the show was airing, which is why like certain things were okay to say. And they're absolutely not okay now.

If I really sit down and think about it, they had absolutely no ethical responsibility

So crazy.

“And I think the lines were so blurry when it came to reality TV and what was allowed”

to be shown and what wasn't like, I just, oh my gosh, watching it back like just broke my heart. I was like holy shit. And also kind of explains why I have so many issues with body and just like, this is the show that I was watching religiously like obviously I'm like, okay, my brain chemistry

has changed a little because of it. Yeah. I mean, can I say something so crazy? Say it. I would not be shocked if there was a documentary on Love Is Fine in like 10, 20 years.

Oh, no. I think about that often like will reality TV that's airing today be under a microscope 10 years from now like America's next home model is currently. I think so, I think with all the controversies that have happened in Love Is Fine, I think

about Renee and Carter from season five, they cut them out of the show ultimately.

I mean, they were not looking out for Renee. No, not at all. Yeah. And I was a scary knowing. He was like kind of allegedly like unstable and dangerous and like still putting

her in a room with him, like that's not cool. No, not at all.

“The sexual assault lawsuit that I think still happening with one of the season five”

cast members who again were cut from the show. Yes. And they were filmed. They were filmed. They're supposed to be part of it.

But I think with everything that went on, they were like in the final edit. They were like cut out. Yeah. Yeah. And even like the cast for this season is going through it, not saying that like anything

was done, but like editing does come into play a lot of the time and like casting directors and like the production company definitely knew the personality of Chris. There's no way after multiple interviews with him during the casting process, multiple psychologists, sessions, multiple psychology questionnaires that they didn't know. He was like the way he was.

I think they knew and they're like he's going to make really good TV. I think it's so hard for production to draw the line between, oh, let's cast good people who want to be here for the right reasons and then also casting somebody for the entertainment factor. And it's like at the end of the day, they are creating a TV show and that is their priority.

“And that's what's really difficult because, but then don't, it put people into marriages.”

Exactly. Exactly. And it's like the idea of, oh, you have a choice. It's like, I don't know, I have a choice, but at the same time you're also leaving with PTSD.

So it's just so difficult. I don't know. I know, I was thinking about this like season two.

I really thought they were going to cast people who were just like just amazing.

Because all of the men in season one, for the most part, they weren't like the men that they're casting now on the show, right? Season one's men were, they weren't like crazy crazy. Sure. Some of them like had red flags, but ultimately they weren't like so out there, you know?

Right. So I think I want to season two being like, okay, the men being cast for our season are like already from marriage, they're, you know, just like normal men who also want to find love or like just want to try this experiment. And then we find out the types of pictures shake-scented, oh my God, I was just thinking

that. So during the casting process, you're supposed to send in pictures like of you doing your hobbies, sometimes like full body pictures, and shake showed us the pictures he sent casting. It was literally shake on a boat with the picture of him like in the middle of two butts

on either side. Yeah. So it was like a wild pick. Yeah. That person is ready for marriage.

No, I don't think they ever thought that they were like, this guy is going to make really good TV. Yeah. No, I know. It's sad.

It sucks. I mean, it's so difficult because I get it, like obviously TV shows have to have entertainment, but it just sucks when you think about the cost that it comes out. Yeah. Because look at the experience, Jess, on this season, went through with Chris, like the things

that he said, Tara, even though I think she is a very, very strong woman who knows her worth and she'll probably like move on from this. What he said to her, if he said that to me, I would like sit with it for a lot. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely.

It would kind of like impact me. Oh my gosh. Absolutely.

And if I think back to like even my own experience, everyone is like, always like praising

me for having this like amazing moment on television, where I'm like, yes, I choose myself. But can I just tell you, when I said those words, and even right after four years after that moment, it broke me so hard. And just because you make the right decision at the time doesn't mean that you're not left bruised or hurt from it.

Yeah. And after I built so much confidence up until the moment that I did love as blind, the fact that one person took that all the way from me and I know I allowed it, but still, it's like it does stay with you and you think about that moment and you're like, holy shit. I can't believe you.

I was. You didn't allow anything. He just made those choices out or just like horrible. Right.

We always say like, way worse things happen behind the scenes on our scenes and then

what was actually shown in both of our relationships. Oh, absolutely.

“And I think about left us both in a very hurt no, I was angry for probably two years.”

Yeah. I've been petty on this podcast and a hundred percent, but I was just so angry that I allowed someone to treat me like that for so long. But like going back to just like the show in general, yeah. I could see their kind of like they're being a big thing talking about this whole show.

Yeah. Because marriage is involved. I know. Like a real true marriage. Yes.

And not to mention now, couples are also having kids. So it's like there is a lot of layers that are coming into play when it comes to the show. Yeah. So I don't know.

And then when you have 10 seasons plus there's like so many participants at this point

that obviously you're going to attract a lot of different types of people. Or they feel like they want to make the show like bigger and better and more dramatic. So they're probably casting like people who are going to bring that drama or that villain arc or like a new crazy storyline to keep the show fresh. Yeah.

But it sucks because it's still all ends in marriage and you're still also casting people who really want to find love. We went into that experience thinking it was going to be so different.

“I mean, I'm so happy with the outcome of it because I think I found you.”

Yeah. And some amazing people. But I wish I found you without the other shit. Yeah. Exactly.

Without all the other. Like with the hard break. Yeah. I wish I could have found you without dealing what we had to deal with. Exactly.

Like we could have found you. You know what? I could have found you. Yeah. We literally live like three bucks away.

I could have found you somehow. We would have absolutely if I saw you at like a bar event. We would have become friends. No. I actually think that.

Very much agree with that. So you're like, I didn't need the show to be on you because I could have found you somehow. The universe would have made its way. That's true.

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That's why I'm out of left field, left field. When Chris was first introduced to us in the first set of episodes, I was like, oh, what a cute man, I really love just, just like a cute, quiet man, yes, what the hell happened? What the hell happened? And this is exactly what I mean by like, you can pretend to be whoever the fuck you want

to be in those pods, because Chris had me fooled so much. I genuinely thought that he was going to be one of the good guys and, alas, always, they always prove you wrong. He actually triggered my fight response. Like watching that conversation, he had the Jess where he's telling her like, oh, you

know, I typically like girls who do cross-fitter Pilates every day. I, like, I got up from my couch, no, I was mad, I was so angry, and not to mention he was cursing while he was saying it, which like, I don't know for some reason, made me even more angry, because I'm like, why are you cursing in the middle of it? He's like, let me choose my words really carefully and he goes, I just like fucking love

when like fucking people do like Pilates, fucking Pilates, and I'm like, what, like, how

And I was like, you chose the wrong words, you don't complete wrong words.

What I hated about that conversation is he says, like, these are my honest thoughts, and I'm like, well, some thoughts should not be said, okay, some thoughts should just say in your brain. I feel like he said that as a way of like, to make it okay that he was saying these things, like, oh, these are just my thoughts, I'm being honest with you, it was so sick.

He's not okay. I, I forget he's 32 because he talks and acts like he's 16, no, which would be actually a legal, let's make it 18, okay, let's make a legal. Like he's his pretty frontal lobe has definitely not developed even at the age of 32. No, his entire, it's not even his prefrontal that hasn't developed his entire brain hasn't.

No, but truly though, like, communication is not that hard, and like if he was really thinking about what he was saying, no, he communicated well, he just communicated wrong, he's just communicated wrong. I don't know, like, there's just so many different ways he could have said that, and

the audacity of him to think that just would stay with him.

Wait, after he said that, that was so crazy. I didn't think we're going to break up over this, like what did you expect to happen? When he shocked, she doesn't want to continue trying, and then he also tells everyone else, like, oh, yeah, she didn't want to continue trying as if like she was the one to break it off.

Yeah, it's like, no, that was expected after all that shit you said to her, which was

“wild, which no one would ever say to someone else, you know what I think?”

I think Chris is so unbelievably insecure because he thinks he's not good enough. Actually, he just simply is not good enough, and so at least he's aware of that. But I think what he did the house tour and realized like, wow, not only is this woman a doctor, but she makes a lot of money and she has her shit together, meanwhile, he's in debt.

He doesn't say that on the show, but I think like a news outlet, like, found out he was like sued by a bank, I think by like Chase Bank because he like owed them he had credit card debt. That's tea. I think he wanted to put her down so he feels superior to her. Okay.

I had the exact same thought because I really did think that his ego took a hit. Like, Chris, Chris's place was really nice for being a guy's apartment. I thought it was really nice, but just his place was like next level. And you would expect that, right? I also had the same thought, like his ego was a little bit bruised that she was doing

so much better than him. Is that why he did that? Or is it because he thought he had some chance with Breezy and was like, oh, like, I'm into Bree. So I'm going to make up some random thing to put just down so that I have an excuse to,

like, I don't know, somehow make it not work with her. I don't know. It was so weird. So weird. Such fucking weird behavior.

I really think it's because he feels, he knows he has no worth that, like, he needs

“to feel superior to other people, so that's why he put just down.”

He knows he can't say anything else, right? Right.

There's not an amazing job.

She has an amazing personality, so he has to put down her love because he has nothing else to go off of. And he has nothing else. Listen, I don't know Chris by any means, but based on these episodes, he seems like the type of person that likes to take care of his person and has them a notch below

them, if that makes sense. You could see the way he treats like other people, because if we fast forward to the pod squad mixer, he does the same thing to Amber, like, kind of puts her down as they're talking. Yes.

He says to her, like, oh, all the guys thought you were like so crazy too much in the pods, but you're perfect for Jordan, what a backhanded compliment. Yes. He was thinking, I was hoping that Jordan would just, like, just put him in his place right then in there, but he was so nice and I was like, Jordan, don't be nice to him.

He literally just insulted your fiance. No, 100%. To be honest, that's a separate thing. I kind of was Jordan, stuck up for Amber. But she held her own, like, she goes like, she can handle her.

I love Amber by the way. Dude, Amber has become my favorite person on this cast. She's not afraid to speak her mind when she's like, you think you're going to find another hot doctor? You know.

Yeah. But, like, again, he does that to her, and then he also does it to Connor, obviously not to Connor's face, but I feel like he wants to feel like better than Connor, like, feel more superior than Connor, so he's, like, trying to break up Connor and Break. Yeah.

He's, like, trying to create some type of conflict, but he's trying to win over Break. Yeah. Like, him saying, like, oh, he's, he's submissive, like, fuck off, like, why do you think

“that you have the authority to say anything about somebody's fiancee?”

What was so sick about the conversation between Bre and Connor is the fact that Chris and Connor are friends. I know. You're just a dumb boy. Yeah.

I don't even know if you should be called a man, because that's not man-like qualities.

I know. I, yeah.

It's just, I literally was not on my bingo card for Chris to turn out this way,

but I don't know, like, is his ego just so through the roof that he thinks this behavior is acceptable? No. I think he's so insecure. Remember when Emma said Chris, pot followers, like, after him and Jess broke up, he

created an Instagram, yeah, pot followers, and then posted on his stories, like, he was at a strip club, like, the day after he broke up with Jess. It's so, screams into care. It's such contrasting personalities, like, somebody that he says that he is versus the person who he really is, like, why are you posting a picture of yourself at the strip

club? Also, I did go creep after I watched that episode, and I was like, let me just go try to find Chris's profile.

“Why is his profile picture, like, the little circle?”

That is an AI version of Chris. He put that through AI and was, like, make me hotter. Yes, I saw it, too. Like, I saw it, too, and I was like, that's not you. Yeah, I was like, you wish that was true.

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Because remember his whole thing was that like he didn't have social media. So the fact that right after him and Jess break up, he creates an Instagram buys fake followers and posts he's out of strip club and then DM's Bree.

“I think because he didn't have Bree's number and he was like, how do I reach her?”

Yeah. So I have to create this Instagram to reach out to Bree. That's what I think happened. I know. Okay.

And then let's talk about Bree for a second because I feel like Bree Priyanka and Ashley gave him

too much time. I don't like that they were kind of validating what he was feeling. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

And I don't know like even when Bree and him were talking one-on-one, I felt like it was so inappropriate for her to give him the space. And like I don't know if it was editing or what it was, but like just the way he was talking should have been so off-putting to her that she's like fuck this I'm going to walk away. But yeah.

I think that kind of stroked her ego a little bit. But maybe she did say something because editing was kind of weird. It was just like her not saying anything, sipping her drink. I'm not sure. Yeah.

After he said the whole thing about Connor where he's like, oh, Connor's like a submissive guy or something. It like didn't cut to her reaction and it didn't seem natural. It cut to him saying something else about it. So like I don't think we got the real, yeah, thing.

We didn't get what Bree actually said or did, but regardless, still too much time. Too much time. Like I don't like that she was kind of just standing there and just like hearing him talk.

“And I was like, you should have stuck up for Jess.”

Mm-hmm. I was like, that's the right thing to do. Someone called my partner submissive for no reason. Yeah. I probably say something like that's probably the time to say something.

Again, maybe she did and it was edited out to just like build anticipation for the next set of episodes that that come out today. Yeah. But yeah, it was kind of disappointing. I was just like kind of disappointed at all of them like like at one point, Bree goes,

oh, like you need someone more disciplined. Mm-hmm. The internet is like, Jess is a doctor. Yeah. And through probably like 12 years of schooling, like how much more disciplined do you

need? She's literally an infectious disease doctor. Yes, Queen.

I think you need to learn discipline from her actually.

Yeah. But no. And then he's like, oh my gosh, like, you know, you want someone to take care of you, right,

“Bree, like a, you need to know my Charles Schwab account.”

Yeah. Yeah. I was like, Chris would literally end up doing that. What? What?

Let's come down. Let's come down. Why don't you know what, actually, Chris, you show her your Charles Schwab account. Yeah. The world's curious.

Yeah. Okay. Now, I'll need to know. Yeah. He's a silly, silly boy.

Yeah.

But like, was he entertaining to watch?

No. I don't know. I could have done without him. I agree. Amber though.

See, we needed Chris. So we could see what a girl's girl Amber is. That is so true. Amber is so funny. She's not afraid to say whatever is on her mind.

And I really like her, which Jordan. Yeah. Like, how she stood up for Jess. Like, when she's talking to Chris and she's about to walk away and she goes, you think you're going to get another hot doctor?

Mm-hmm. Oh, loved it. I was like, good for you, Amber. Yeah. She's my favorite right now.

And when she's just like, yeah, see, this is why I don't like these men. They're fucks. And like, she's like narcissistic. No, she's like, no, I love it. It's like someone who's like gunna shut it down.

Yeah. Like, she knows. Those would be things that I'd be afraid to stay with the camera on me. But she is not afraid to speak her mind. And yeah, that girl is somebody who's going to be your best friend.

And you want to be like, you'd like, want her to be your best friend.

She's like, always going to have your back.

Mm-hmm. I really think Jess is doing okay.

“I really was thinking about her after these episodes because I think to hear that”

from someone like someone commenting on your body, regardless of how confident you are, it's, I just, I was just thinking like, for her to watch this all over again. And like, replay it must be really hard. I think regardless of how confident you are, like, I feel like I'm pretty confident in my body and that, like, I don't really care what my body looks like.

But if a guy I loved said what Chris said to her, that would, like, that would really break me for a bit. Yeah. No, I feel like I can relate to her so much because I feel like I've been through it. But what's beautiful about this experience is, like, as much as it does break you, it will

build you up eventually also. I hope that all the backlash he's getting is like her revenge, you know? And she doesn't even have to do anything. Yeah. It's, like, yeah.

She just has to sit back and let people see what he truly is and that is revenge and it's all. Yeah. And he is a monster. But going back to Amber, love her and Jordan, I can't believe how well they fit together.

I know. I'm sorry. Yeah. And I love that he met her baby daddy before meeting her daughter, which was really cool.

“That always gets me really nervous when there is a participant with a kid, like, I think”

about what happened with Jordan and Sparkle, Megan in season nine, where Jordan introduced his son to Megan and then they ended up calling it quits and Jordan's like, that was really hard because, you know, I told my son about, like, everything pretty much, you know. I wonder how Jordan and Amber are going to talk to her daughter about all of this. Yeah.

But I will say as much as I love Amber and Jordan, I feel like their downfall might be the fact that Jordan doesn't want to live outside of Columbus. Yeah. Like he wants to be by, like, the bars and his friends. Like, obviously, he's a single dude.

He still wants to go out. But obviously, for Amber, she's thinking about like her daughter's school and like, what's affordable. Yeah. They're just on different, like, they have different lifestyles.

Yeah. And I think that it makes sense that they have different lifestyles right now. Totally. And I kind of, I don't know, like her place is so cute, so cute. But it is, like, in a small town, I think it's like Mount Vernon or Mount Vernon.

Yeah. I don't know. Which is, I'm assuming it's like a kind of, like, a suburb of the city somewhere. Yeah. But, yeah.

It complicates things when there's like a little kid involved and she has to be in, like, a good school district. But I do like Jordan's approach of, like, finding something together. So it's not one person's place that someone is, like, acclimating to. I like that they're going to find something together.

And I think it could be a good move for them. And well, it seems like a small, not a small problem, but a solvable problem. I actually have the opposite opinion. I don't think it's a solvable problem because either way, Jordan has to move outside of Columbus.

Regardless if it's her house or a new house, like, he has to move outside of Columbus. But even though he's not making it a big deal on screen, I feel like he definitely wants to be in Columbus. You don't think he's going to be happy with the Parogi spot, and that's it. No, like, I think he's trying to be like, he wants to adjust.

I think down the road, maybe like, not on the show, but like, down down the road, if

they get married. He's not going to love living outside of Columbus. Yeah. I don't know. It's hard to say.

It's hard to say. I don't think I would. Yeah. At this age where like, I would, like, I'm dating men with kids, but I think it'd be a really hard ask if they were like, we're moving to the suburbs of Chicago.

Mm-hmm. Because I'm like, what about my girlfriends and like, my whole life? That would be really hard for me. I don't think I could make the sacrifice. I know.

And that's tough though because like Amber is willing to move. Yeah. And she's making an effort to be like, you know, I understand.

“But I don't know, like that's all, that's what being in a relationship is.”

That's what marriage is. It's like you have to compromise at some point. And I think he has to know like coming on to the show, you're not going to go back to the same exact lifestyle that you had prior. Like, right, it's going to be, there's going to be a change.

There's another person involved. And in Jordan's case, two more people are involved, you know? Yeah. So, but I think this period is where you figure out, like, how much are you willing to have for my?

Oh, totally. The test is now. I do think that they'll like make it at least to the altar. Yeah. I don't know how like, if they're going to say yes or no, I just have a feeling they're

going to say yes. They're so. They're so quirky together. I just, I think that though, like, they're kind of like pushing some, like that piece, like under the rug.

And in my pop-up, maybe like a year down the line after their marriage, but like who knows? If I was Jordan, I would move for Amber. My gosh. She's amazing.

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What do you think about Connor and Bree? I know we don't have the best opinion of Bree right now, but I'd like Connor. I absolutely love Connor. But I don't like them together. I don't know.

Okay, this is going to be maybe this is my own popular opinion, I don't know. I definitely don't think they're going to make it to the altar, or there's a lot of internet slutes doing some digging, and they saw like in the trailer and some of the pictures from the bridesmaids, like the bridal shop, the shop, and all that stuff that Bree wasn't in it.

So I don't think they'd make it to the altar, and I'm not sure exactly what happens. But in a weird way, I do think that Bree might be good for Connor and Connor might be good for Bree.

“I think he's more laid back, and she's like a stronger personality, so I feel like in that”

way it fits. Yeah, some of their scenes are very cute, but I think there's moments where she's really self-centered. Yeah. Yeah.

I think what we have seen of Connor so far, he's not self-centered. It just, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. But that sucks that he's kind of catering to Bree.

Yeah. No, I agree. I think they're going to have to find some like common ground when it comes to all of that. But I do think that like Bree pushing him to be a better version of himself, just even with

the cleaning, I'm like the organization. I feel like that's going to be really good for him, where he also brings this calmness to her that she needs and this reality check that she needs, because she is like a little over the top. Yeah.

Sometimes. She said something to her mother about Connor that kind of bugs me. Bree was like, he really loves me, like he really loves me.

But she said it in the way of like, like, oh my god, he, like, I'm just amazing.

And he just, like, loves me is obsessed with me, like that stuff. And then she goes, that's what makes me love him more.

I just like didn't like that.

Yeah. I don't know, maybe I'm looking too much into it. But it just, it feels like she's a little bit just self-centered. Yeah. That paired with everything that happened at that mixer.

That's what really impacted me. Yeah. It's kind of left like a bad taste in my mouth, but like I, for some reason, there's

“like this tiny part of me that likes them together, because I think they're fun together.”

And a good balance, but also I'm like, hmm, those Connor deserve more. Okay, I'm going to say a spoiler. So just like fast forward 30 seconds if you don't want to hear it. But there's some rumblings that her and Connor are together. Yeah.

And I was thinking if I was Connor's parents and family and friends watching the show, I'd be like, uh, I think not Connor. I know. This is not the girl I thought she was. I know, isn't that crazy to think about, like, say, like, you're with your person.

And then you're watching the show back and you absolutely hate some of the things that we're set about you. Like, I couldn't even imagine how that impacts your current day relationship. Yeah. Like, she even says to Chris, well, she's being honest, I guess.

But when Chris asks for something around the lines of like, is sex with Connor good. And she's like, not the best, but it's good. I don't know. It's like, that's sure you're being honest, but don't say it on TV. I agree.

You wouldn't say it to a random person. You wouldn't say it to Chris of all people who literally, like, you guys are having flirtatious energy. Yeah. So that's, it's very fucking shady.

It's one thing to talk to your girlfriend about it, but to do it on camera with a guy that, like, you had a deep connection with in the pods to completely different things. Yeah. To say that, when, you know, it's going to be shown for millions and millions of people to see.

Like, yeah, you don't say that. That's like full of comment you make to your best friend. Yeah. But also, it was like, you could have said that like a lot of different ways. You could have just been like, yeah, it's really good.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. You don't have to say, it's not the best. Yeah. Like, why are you egging him on to put your fiance down?

Yeah. Yeah. I do that energy.

“But we'll see what happens with these two today and that's what's like come out.”

I'm intrigued.

I think the most pristine, amazing couple is probably Christine and Vic.

I don't know. Literally. Wow. Get out of my head. I was about to be like 10 out of 10.

No, no. I was about to say 10 out of 10. I'm done. Oh, my God. Okay.

Well. No, they're really cute. I definitely do think that Vic and Christine are not living in the apartment with the rest of the couples. No.

I think the theory is like Vic and Christine are kind of like the last minute add. If they didn't work out, they were going to be cut. But just in case none of the couples worked out, they were going to be shown, which is why they're so many like self-filmed scenes where they're like filming from an iPhone on their own without a camera crew.

Yeah. It's just very weird. Yeah. Like they're not staying in the same apartments as the other couples. They have barely any scenes.

“I really think like maybe producers were like, uh, our core couples probably aren't going”

to get married. Yeah. And even if one of them does, like we don't see a very good future, so we got to add. They're like the just in case couple for sure. A hundred percent.

And you can absolutely see it. Because they are, I get it. They're unproblematic and like maybe not so much drama. But they're so cute. They're very cute.

When they're meeting her mom, yes. And at the end, Vic was like, can we say a prayer? And like it was the cutest moment ever. I was like, this is so sweet. The cutest moment for me is when the mom is doing her confessional.

And she's like, and Vic is hot. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It's like so cute. It's so adorable.

Yeah. To be like, I get to hug your hot fiance. I didn't say that specifically, but she's like, I get to hug your fiance. Yeah. I really, really love them.

Yeah. But it's like, we're barely seeing that. I was like, what's going on? They're the only saving grace to this season, plus Amber Jordan. But I was like, um, what we need more scenes.

But again, probably that like backup last minute couple. Exactly. So sad. I know. It sucks.

But at least we have hope that I think they, those two do get married. But the alcohol. Yeah. Which one? Like, Devante and Brittany, I have no idea how they're okay.

I for sure thought that because of episodes 1 through 6, that they are not, they were not going to make it at all. Like, Mexico was going to be their end game. That was it. But the fact that they're continuing the story and they're like, kind of cute.

Like, I'm going to fuse. Like, what? How did we do a 180? I don't know. I feel like they're one of those couples that are like now just like pretending.

You know, there's always one or two every season where they know they're not going

to get married. But they're just kind of like staying and laying low for screen time. I feel like they're that couple. And if anything, it's more on Devante side than Brittany, I think he's actually like into it.

Because we know couples even from our season, but also like other seasons where they still

talking about like, what are we going to say at the altar?

Oh, it's going to be yes.

“And they always know it's going to be a no.”

So I feel like that might be this situation. Yeah. The fact that I don't know, nothing's really changed with him. I also, um, I had a pod bestie send me this, but Brittany had a really racist video. It was just like a screen recording I was sent where they are singing, um, like about

kung flu and like an Asian accent. Oh, no. Yeah, and I want to actually want to play it, I bet I could find it. We, that's fucked. Yeah.

It's so bad. I don't like that. So yeah. So I'm not her biggest fan right now, nor her dad, was it like a recent video? No.

That's not a good look at all. That's, that's Brittany and her dad. So I'm not the biggest fan of Brittany or her dad at this point. Yeah. I think that's like so horrible.

I know I wonder if it's like just ignorance, but like that needs to be called out.

To be like, that's not okay.

Yeah. Like what prompted you to do that? Yeah. Like you could simply just not. It was during COVID.

So they're calling it kung flu. No. Yeah. I don't like that at all. No, no, no, no.

Yeah. Um, I have nothing good to say about Brittany nor her dad. Yeah. I know. That's unfortunate.

I know.

“Well, hopefully like she gets called out on it because that's the only way you can”

grow and learn is that that's not okay. You know. Yeah. Well, and I was like, Emma, you watching this? Yeah.

Emma. Emma. You need to have a talk with our girl Brittany. Yeah. Listen, I know people can be ignorant, but you know, they could learn why they're ignorant

and then change. But over time, but here's the crazy part. So before a season comes out, cast members have to go through like a social media check, where

the production company or whatever third party company that they work with reviews each person's

social media and then tell them to or recommends that they delete things that might be offensive or cause like heat when the show comes out. Like old tweets, old posts and yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I wouldn't be shocked to bring you got that message and just didn't delete it. Yeah. Like I don't. Yeah. It's really unfortunate.

And I hope that she can learn. I know people on our cast were told to like take stuff down that they had posted. I think like old Facebook posts or a lot of them had like Twitter. So they were like told to delete certain things. Yeah.

So yeah. I wouldn't be shocked if they told Brittany to delete that video, but she did. I don't know. I don't know. Or maybe like they didn't catch it.

I have no clue. But that's weird. Maybe they watched and they're like, it's fine. Yeah. But that's an Asian.

That like do you mean a bigger problem. So I don't really have anything to say on Brittany. I mean, I don't think they're going to work out. I don't think so either. It just doesn't seem like they're each other's person.

Yeah. You can just tell. Yeah.

“But what do you think about Emma and Mike, do you think they're going to make it?”

Absolutely not. Why are they not calling it quits now? I don't know either. Why are they pretending like there's not a giant issue blaring out of that? Yeah.

Okay. Mike really wants kids. Like he really really wants kids. Yes. And Emma doesn't.

Or she's unsure. But like I think she mostly doesn't. Yeah. So I was like, okay. Well, there you go.

It's done. Yes. Like just let's break up now. Let's break up. Yeah.

And honestly, that's all I have to say about this couple. Like they're probably again, like you said before, they're the couple that are like waiting to get to the altar to be like, yeah. The kids thing really matters. It's like no shit that kids thing matters.

It's like listen, you don't need a wedding just end it now. Yeah, just end it now. I know. I have production the money and give it to Vic and Christine. 100%.

I was like, listen, they need the budget. They need like camera crews with them. Okay. So like, let's end it now, Mike and Emma, and call it a day. Truly.

Yeah. I mean, listen, even like with them meeting each other's families, like not only does Mike want kids, but does entire family wants him to have kids. Like a Italian family. And I'm like, oh, you're taking away the one thing that they really

wanted. Yeah, the mom was very intense, though. Oh, she was. I'd be very scared, especially because she was talking to Mike about Emma in front of Emma.

So it was like awkward. And she was no fan time. Yeah. She did correct herself. She's like, I'm so sorry.

But like, I get it. Like your kids are a big deal. And this is their future. And they were trying really hard to get behind the idea and be supportive of course.

But it's going to sting a little.

Yeah. And I feel like because she said she was unsure, they were trying to like pressure her a little bit. The kids sister made a comment being like, I want my kids to have cousins. The great.

I'm so glad you want that for your kids, but like you have no say. But I think they also wanted, if I'm maybe I'm giving them too much grace. But I was thinking like, I think they because Emma said she was unsure when someone says they're unsure. They don't know.

I think you try to convince them, versus she was just like, no, I don't want to have kids. Right. Exactly. She kept the door open for a conversation.

Yeah.

“That's why they were like, okay, let's talk about it.”

So I don't think that they did anything wrong.

And I think they were coming from a good place.

But even Emma's family though, like kind of knew that she didn't want to have kids. That's why I was a little bit confused because I feel like Emma's telling Mike, I don't know. I'm unsure. But I feel like with her family, like I felt like they knew no, she doesn't want kids.

Right. That's what I thought too. I'm like, oh, is Emma just saying I don't know and keeping the door open because she doesn't want to lose Mike? Yeah.

Or is she actually open to the idea of, you know? Yeah. I don't know. And again, I think it's fine like regardless of how she feels, if she truly doesn't know, it just felt like her parents were trying to back her up because they know she

doesn't, right? No. Exactly.

That's why I'm a little concerned.

I'm like, oh, they should just send it. Yeah. Mike really wants kids Emma's unsure and they shouldn't get married just in case. And Mike's point is so, so accurate that if they do end up having kids because she felt even the tiniest amount of pressure from Mike and one day she wakes up and resents him,

it's going to be a whole different like issue that's going to come up later and resentment is one of the worst things that you can have in a marriage. If I being honest, I'm like not very interested in their storyline because I feel like there's just no way they can get past this issue unless Emma's like, I want kids all of a sudden, but I don't think that's going to happen.

And I don't think she should, all of a sudden, be like, I want kids. Yeah. Of course not. If you don't know or it's leaning towards no, standard ground, but I just feel like it's such a big thing that I feel like when I'm watching them, I was like, I know you guys

are going to say no at the altar. Yeah. If one of you say yes, like one of you is going to say no. Like there's no way it's working out. Yeah.

So I feel like Mike is going to say no. But who knows? We'll see what we're going to find out when we're going to find out.

“And then Alex and Ashley, oh my gosh, you know what?”

I really think Alex would be the villain of these episodes if it weren't for Chris. Yeah. If Chris did in one up the craziness, like it definitely be Alex. The fact that Chris made Alex look like maybe a little bit okay. Yeah, you're like, you're not that bad.

Alex is not getting enough heat for like the way he talks to Ashley. I'm so confused by Alex, like everything that comes out of that man's mouth, it seems like a lie. I don't even know how much of it. It's like 80% bullshit and maybe 20% like kind of accurate.

It's like, yeah Ashley's lawyer dad clocked it when he said honesty is in Alex's strength. No, I absolutely I loved loved loved that he said that I wish he said that to his face if I may not know. I know.

But I feel like with the questioning and everything like you could tell like Alex is a good bullshit. Yeah, no. He's really great. And like I don't even know what he's bullshiting about like he just like talks and talks

talks and talks. I about how impressive he is. One thing that confuses me the most about Alex is the fact that he's pressuring Ashley to you know, take on his no mad lifestyle. Yeah.

And I'm like, she can't just quit her job like tomorrow. I was like, what do you want from her? Alex may or just compromise, but you're really being like, if you don't fit into my no mad lifestyle like can't work anymore. Yeah.

Like you know sir. What I don't like about Alex is he thinks he's the prize like he acts and I think

“he truly believes his life is just so amazing.”

Mm-hmm. Oh, like he lives the life, it's it's actually embarrassing to watch. The different types of jobs he's had and the amount that he's moved is very like off putting and it's very unstable when you think about marrying somebody. You're like, oh my gosh, I'm not going to have any structure.

And I personally would not feel secure at all. Even if I wanted to move and move somewhere warmer like Ashley wants to do. The fact that he's so confusing with what he wants out of life would like be so off putting to me. Yeah.

I don't mind that he wants to move around a lot because I used to have that lifestyle. I went from San Francisco for a year and then Atlanta and then Boston. Yeah. Yeah, but like that's like yearly. It's not like monthly.

Yeah, yeah. But I was like, I think that's fine if that's like your interest. Like you just want to like get up and go. But when you're in a relationship, you have to compromise. It's like it's Alex's world and like Ashley's just living in it.

I know. Now, what I do love about Ashley though is that she thankfully clocks everything that

She's like fact. Chucks things. She got her.

She got her dad's skill set.

Yeah. She's a questioner. It's tingling.

“The intuition is tingling somethings wrong.”

I know. When she was questioning about the timelines of his like situation ship and his like girlfriend and like when he went on the show, I was like, oh, yeah. There is something a little bit off here. Something is off.

And the fact that he knew Priyanka from like their friend group in Chicago was so weird and he's like, well, I didn't want to ruin her experience. And I was like, Alex, be for for real. You didn't want to ruin your experience. Yes.

You didn't want like, you didn't want to pick her and then they're like, sorry. You can't move on because you know each other. Yeah. Like it's had nothing to do with Priyanka. Yeah.

I'm very curious like what that friendship between her and Alex looked like and also like what she's going to tell Ashley. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

Yeah. I hope we get I hope Priyanka gives her some tea. That was so lovely. But yeah. No, Alex is Alex is not ready for marriage.

Alex needs to figure out what he wants out of life before and Ashley is just not the girl to play with because her dad will come for you. I loved that Ashley's dad drilled Alex, like loved it because Alex deserved that. Like he's clearly not being very truthful about kind of like the person he is, yeah. And so loved it.

However, it's hard for me to like not put myself in Alex's shoes because we were on the show and I was in his shoes at one point and I feel like if her dad questioned me like that, I'd be so pissed and see that as like a red flag.

I'd be like, I never want this person as my in-law because why are they trying to embarrass

me on TV? Like I actually thought it was off putting. Like he questioned the perfect person, yeah. But I was like if he questioned anyone else, like let's say it's Vic, Vic and Ashley were in a relationship and he was questioning Vic like that.

I would be like this is kind of disgusting. Like this dad hasn't ego and really needs to calm down. Yeah. It's hard to say because like I just wonder like if for example Vic was in the situation instead of Alex, would he have questioned him?

I don't know. Like I wonder if like in the back of his brain as soon as he met Alex and like started talking to him even a little bit, just knew that Alex was the type of person that needed to be grilled. Yeah.

And was like I'm going to turn it up ten times like more than I would normally. Yeah. Like so you never know. But yeah. Alex was the perfect person to be.

Yeah. So I saw it like both ways where I was like really fun to watch because it's Alex. Yeah. But then I was like I feel like as a parent you shouldn't be doing that on a TV show, even though as a viewer it's fun but as a former participant who's been there, I don't know if I have

the same opinion on that because I do think that like even though his line of questioning was very intense, I do think like I'm not a parent yet and I don't know what I would be like if it was my daughter and if I was like the dad because like in general that's like the stereotype of like a dad being so overprotective of his daughter, especially knowing that she.

But we have dad doesn't have a good picker, you know. Yeah. That's not the type to be like aggressive of course. That's like I think what I'm going off of is listen, my dad had qualms about the person

I chose on love is blind privately but my dad never wanted to embarrass my ex fiancee

on TV and I was like really kind and open minded. Yeah. Well actually my dad's always like that but he definitely had like he wanted to say things for sure. Yeah.

Because you know it's like I'm never going to embarrass this like young man on TV and I don't think that Ashley's dad didn't have that same mindset even though it was really fun to watch. Yeah. But I think if it was like someone else like someone who's getting a better edit like

Jordan or Vic, it would be a whole different scene. Yeah. And I think like yeah, if it was Jordan in effect, they'd be able to hold their own Alex on the other hand. I don't know.

Alex like like yeah, like I was in Australia here and it's like, oh, it's a fisherman and I was both of them and I was like, I don't know, and I was a neighbor and I also owned

“the gym and I think that's why I heard that he went even harder was like, this guy is an”

idiot. Yeah. I let me just ask all the questions and let them just see. Yeah. Yeah.

But I don't know. But yeah. I don't know. This couple of definitely not making it. I don't think so either.

No chance. Remember, he was like, oh, we're not intimate because you're on your period. When he said, oh, like do you want to like share the app and I can like track your cycle with you fuck. No.

Yeah. I was like, there's no way you've ever had a girlfriend. No. Was poor Ashley. She's like, okay, like how do I navigate this nicely?

And the fact he also got mad that Ashley rearranged his water bottles in the fridge. Why does that piss him off? I was like, oh, I'm sorry. What are these like gold plated water bottles like you're so married to the organization.

“He's like, this is the best thing I've done.”

Oh, I know. You messed it up. Like your fridge is so big. You're like, oh my God, where'd you put my water bottle? I can't find it.

Poor girl had to answer for that and she's like, oh.

Oh my God. And he goes so sorry.

“Now I think you're going to refold my clothes.”

I don't even do the laundry or the dishes anymore at all because I know you're going to do it another way. And she's like, we've only done laundry once here and I did not do that. I feel like we've seen this in prior seasons. He's pointing all these very trivial things out because he wants a reason to end the relationship.

Like, have the reason to say no at the altar. Perhaps who's like trying to bring these things up so that it kind of messes up there. Not that same, they're having a perfect storyline, but he wants to add problems in their storyline so that he has a reason to say no at the altar. Oh, absolutely.

We know that tactic. Oh, absolutely. Because like, yeah, he's taking like the smallest things, the most trivial things and blowing up out of proportion and you're like, okay, we see it, we see the pattern and, oh, poor Alex.

Yeah. He's doing that thing. He's trying to create a storyline where it's like, oh, we're too different. And like, she's the problem so he could get out. I mean, I don't even know how Ashley is holding it together at this point.

I like if I was her, I'd leave immediately.

“I feel like she's like disassociating because she's like, what is happening?”

Yeah, just like, first of all, I don't understand anything he's saying out, everything, like

nothing lines up. Yeah. Like, she's like drawing a mental picture of the timeline of things. It's just a lot. Yeah.

It's a lot. Or I feel like now they're fighting to change the story lines. I've seen this with a few couples in other seasons, like hearing them talk, where you're trying to change the narrative. Or I feel like they're trying to make each other the villain in their relationship.

That kind of happened in, on our season, between couples, where like, they know they're not getting married, but they're going to make sure they are like the good guy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

“So I feel like that's kind of happening between that, where she's like calling”

him out now and he's calling her out, and they're trying to change the story line or narrative. So it benefits them. God, I can't even imagine what their wedding planning looks like and how much like tarmoile I could even imagine.

I was just being like, well, I like this color, but I also like this color, but like in the past, I've like that color. Yeah. I don't even know why. They're probably not even wedding planning.

They're just like producers do whatever. Yeah. Just show up. Pick a color. Yeah.

Anyways, one of the exciting set of episodes.

I kind of liked these episodes better than the first six, me too.

So I'm actually really intrigued to see what happens in the two episodes that dropped today. Who did it? I'm excited to see, and so we're not even going to get a finale until one more week.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Ali comes out next week. We'll see. I don't know.

So far, it's looking like only Vic and Christine, so maybe Amber Jordan. Maybe Amber Jordan. Yeah. But the other couples. I don't have any faith in.

Yeah. Well, Pad besties. Let us know what you guys thought of these sets of episodes and who you think is going to get married? Yes.

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