Roy Wood Jr. Will Not Let This Interview Go Viral

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“Who I know everybody in this room knows and loves from the Daily Show and have I got is for you. Please welcome Pablo and Roy to the stage”

Hello, hello hello hello. Hello, Brooklyn I'm gonna see you, Pablo. Roy. I have questions for you Did there's only like three my f*ck is I would have left a house for Like on some podcast chip not like where I am now right now

you Bommani Jones Trevor Noah I think those are the three People that share a time and haul share a time and haul okay? They don't do podcast. They do like the right

That's right, that's right. TV show stuff the metal stand is is getting crowded. Let's stop you listing people before I get the vote. I'd said yes to too much last year. I was gonna say we're here to investigate Roy Wood Jr

“I don't know if right realizes that yeah, but I'm so what happened between you and Mark Cuban, so I think it”

It would be some some sort of poking and proud I'm happy to be here, but I'll jokes aside legitimately not joking. We're gonna gonna get into some of the metrics in your life okay You were on at our last count at least 96 different podcasts Is that just last year

That was that was a yeah Q4 actually Trying to figure out the business no seriously in your research last year. It was it was we had to 50 or say it was too many yeah, and so and so too many You've you've become a bit of a snow leopard you were American podcast guest yeah, and now There's a point in the timeline where you stop showing up. Yeah

What what Roy? What happened the burn out the also Having a degree in journalism and you will appreciate this it becomes very evident. Oh Also seven podcasts that still haven't been put out yet that I did last year for a bunch of

F***ers who just sitting on the content for no reason and when they finally put it out

It's gonna be outdated as hell I'm looking forward to the NFL season. That's like where's What would happen what takes they have from Roy Wood Jr in the back of the right that what's sitting back there that you're the man The pisses me off. I will I will say I did that mini podcast and it's probably indicative of My inability to tell people know sometimes which is one of the first things that I had to decide to lock in on and

Start doing more of going into this year So That's that's probably where you saw Like a clear cut drop off on pod episodes where my name and I'm probably

End of October early November. Yeah, there were a couple of stragglers that were put out then

I got booked for the doing or they're doing a TV series of the barbershop franchise for Amazon

They're doing a sitcom and so I get cast in a sitcom and and the character that you are playing Be the the casting call for that character how do you describe with the with the role is I'm wearing a beard now When if any of you ever seen me with a beard that was my next

“Investigations that's why the f*ck is really up here now”

Because I had to play older like they won't I'm not quite set the entertainer old but my character Represent not to f*ck on say it you know what I meant But my character represents the wisdom and kind of the old sage oracle of the shop and I just figured facial hair But would help to convey that and you wouldn't necessarily presume me to have a hot political take like I do with the go-to So

But I got cast in the sitcom and the blessing of it is that it's shot in Chicago So I literally was unavailable for two and a half months and it was like the perfect thing to win me off of Just saying yes to so much stuff and and I think part of it is that You know when I did morning radio I did morning to Birmingham for about a decade and I remember so many people Who just would not come on our show they'd have a concert in town literally just wouldn't come on the show

And we used to be so gracious and appreciative when people would come on and then never the comedian to

Will come on and their show was already sold out and they still came on I remember appreciate no the Bruce Bruce is in the Sinbad and the Wayne's brothers of the world like they would just still come on and and I just remember being so appreciative of that So when you get email by like it could be you one day and those go through the PR people and then every blue moon There's just a college student hey

I'm doing episode two you want to f**k with it or not And I remember being that kid and so you know what yeah, let's sit out and you know I am I don't really have any restrictions On topics or anything so like that that becomes part of

The problem in a way yeah, because you'll sometimes sit with people that just don't have an agenda

They have literally have no idea what they're doing or they're

“Asking you questions that you've already answered 40 times so how lively can I re-answer this quick?”

And I don't mean like promo questions like tell me about the book or tell me about the hulu special It's just literally how did you get started and you can google that Bro come on come on a better question than that and so I started I found myself showing up half as For a lot of podcasts

Because I knew that like within my question three I know what this is and I've done 90 according to you so I know I know where it's gonna go. I do you based off question three I know what the next seven questions are I've already answered them in my head. I have a popter up in the late late at the home like if I'm doing an at home pocket. Oh I got the popter box set up baby and I'm mirroring my laptop screen on top of the camera lens and I'm surfing the internet

While just having a chip chat with the random person and sometimes it's It's interesting and I'm locked in but I just feel like You shouldn't do that to yourself and then also

“There comes a point in your life in career where at some point you have to choose yourself and do something for yourself”

And I've had a lot of time now that I'm back not a Chicago production is done I've had time to lock in on other tasks and things that I really do need to work out and now I sit here and the midst of a prison merger of Warner Brothers who owned CNN and like quietly figuring out okay We could cancel

What am I gonna do next? Maybe I should have been thinking about that last year And so it's time to take a little bit more focus just on myself as I'm personal Well with with but the reason that you are the perfect person to sit here with me today is because I consider you somebody who is Deeply savvy and preemptive about the business of media

Because I regard you as somebody who not only will be thoughtful in in terms of how you do media But you're out here trying to figure out who's getting one over me How can I make sure that I am not losing the race that I'm not even aware is being run and you're also somebody who is frankly Reporting on this stuff even if it's just for your own personal edification like The question of why is Roy not doing as many podcasts now was kind of an economic indicator to me

You can think that I feel all the time doing three episodes a week, you know, which I can't say without a little bit of just edge a week And shout out to my producers for whom I do not forget to this sacrifice we've made of our families to do that

The whole point is to say yes is to always be churning and so I'm detecting and you not just like oh

Mental sort of like reset, but also like there's an inefficiency maybe it's I've I've said it too many other people's restaurants. I need to build my own Snowdish respect. I don't have a restaurant and it's coming to a point where everybody's gonna need a restaurant The restaurant I'm currently working at is under a hostile merger from paramount

“And you have to be realistic about that you have to be and it's not to be pessimistic about whatever you get updates from anybody from the inside”

Who's like you should know that this thing just have you can understand man. I won't see an end, but we're a Saturday show So it's like you ever seen a trailer next to the public school like We're over there and it's by design so that we're not too close to the newsy button down so that we don't become that

So they have us up the street at the CBS Center. I get more very wise updates in the hall because we're in the same building

at CBS news And so I'll see them in the hall. I know what's going on. Oh Too busy trying to dodge her in the hall because we've done jokes about it, you know, but I think that You know, you look at something like Legacy media like seeing in and we're the number one showing our demo in the network with a number two show overall

I don't mean to get the president want you out the door and That could very well be a possibility if it's about Holding a grudge versus a numbers game if it's about

“Do we keep the show that gives us good ratings or do we get rid of the show because it makes the president feel bad sometimes?”

So I have to be conscious of that and figuring out how I'm going to build

You know my thing and that's probably something that I didn't really have to think about when I left the daily show Because I knew that I was going on tour To prepare the Hulu special and I knew I was writing the book and at the time I had a I had a pilot in motion with fox so I had pots on the stove we could focus on that

Well now we're on the other side of Hulu we're on the other side of the book and I think it's reasonable to think about that even if we don't get canceled at CNN It's not a bad idea to have something else but just at the time it was just That was an overwhelming thing to think about what's my show going to be and what's my thing going to be and

“Trying to figure it out and I had a podcast but I knew it wasn't something that would live”

In a capacity like this like it was a great niche podcast. It was called Roy's job fair And we literally talked to three different people every week about their style of employment and the nuances of their jobs and what they do and so It was originally started during the pandemic to help people find jobs so when I did morning radio we had a We had a segment call who got that work and

And for the entire nine o'clock hour on the radio if you are working somewhere that is currently hiring Called the station so that someone without a job can know where they can go look for a job today and that was kind of the genesis So people from emerging industries and whatever that went 99 episodes Comedy central owns the IP to that so when I made the decision to leave the daily show I essentially abandoned that podcast as well and to still do a different version of that while doing book

And poor and who look like it just I just didn't but you know now got to figure it out, but on the job fair What job were you most delighted to hear about that you didn't totally understand until you had them in your podcast crime scene investigator We we had a whole episode about dead bodies so it was just jobs that involved dead bodies and like if a dead Body is anywhere within the scope. We had the we had the funeral home director, but then but the crime scene investigator was talking about

The process of job won't gross you out, but hey, but like the process of cleaning up all of that type of stuff I was like that's a very interesting thing and then found out that that didn't know this funeral homes compete To get bodies from a crime scene. So there are a lot of funeral. He's not it I didn't know this at the time funeral homes have police

I'm gonna have my eye on the guy who knows this now Very eagerly affirming Roy's observation funeral homes have police scanners and if they hear about it

And speeds of the crime scene and the hopes that the family of the of the deceased will choose your funeral home

Because you're just you're here And like that's fascinating to me. That's just oddly fascinating. So that was the that was the show and like that was kind of the just of it But it's not a broader thing like Netflix isn't gonna call me this is doing great because I put this on the home page like that So figuring out something that's a little bit more connected to people is what I've been exploring last year I think I think I think I figured it out

But I just knew in the meantime I need to sit still I need to start saying no And just figuring out what's what for me? I've been in New York 11 years There's nobody in the city that could say I told him no I might tell you not ring now and figure out a different time

“So I've been given in my time. I feel like I've been benevolent and all of that stuff so you know you you you have to get to pay it back”

But I think it was that bro and then also There was a club shayshay interview that I did and this came up in our research Which one which clip the one that got me all the hate? I'd like you to explain the hate

We have to explain the clip first like

so I get and this and I say this because this this is what The correspondence dinner was the first instance of this but the club shayshay clip This is Shannon Sharps podcast. He's on like a chase lounge Roy's on an equivalent

Fainting couch of sorts and there is a Kavassier or something It's cognac and it's real

“That's not and it's lead and see undoubtedly sponsored. Yeah, it's yeah, we're drinking and”

We get we can tell we can to run talking about My ancestry and my lineage and all of this stuff and part of me is Talking about the fact that when I did I did finding your roots and during the episode They found the descendants of the people who owned my family members

And so I'm joking in the clip about Finding the house where these people now live the descendants of the old slave masters great great great grants and just pulling up to that house and asking for reparations And then I joke and then I said I zillot their house They don't have any money

And I say something alone along the lines about yeah, I might just pull up on a house and see what's up And there's a whole part there's a whole preamble to that snippet That sets up that I'm joking and that this is I'm not really out to murder the descendants of slave masters But when you clip that bitch just right

It looks like I'm out to murder the descendants of slave masters so That clip goes flames online. There's a couple of clips from the interview that all do their respective Arguing and bickering about fatherhood and just we talk three hours in drinking you're going to talk about everything But that clip It's put out into the right wing of sphere as rakes contain yes, yes. Roy hates white people

He wants to kill white people

“What about the blacks that enslaved you need to talk about that? I wish you were run up in my house email box just”

DMs just Just a barrage of it and I'm white or I don't mind doing and you go back and I go back and look at the shade shaking of you and it's like We're having these conversations and of course anything we say now is going to be clipped and distilled down Into something that's bite size and profitable for whom wherever you're sitting with and

You know my buddy my little brothers in the comments with first of I have two younger brothers this psychopaths on internet

How old are they? Um 37 to owe to be psychopaths And they are Like going to war with people in the comments who like bashing me and I'm like my family members who want to defend the honor of their loved one Is one of my most did it but it's tragic when my mom wants to go to work No, but it didn't like it sucks that that happened

But that's on me Because if you're talking in a way where you can allow yourself to get sliced and diced they're gonna do it when I did the correspondent's dinner They um I did jokes across the gamut of topics across the gamut of political side and Every outlet you could name took one of my jokes and

They like seeing it and how drunk they like I did a van to pop rules show e online

“What would have this race and even talked about Lisa van to put like you did you do that with the knowledge that you would get aggregated by e online”

No, I didn't know who van to pop was I just trusted my writer see It was a joke about power and fifty cent It's online. You can watch it if it but like fifty cent took a clip while I mentioned the television show power So everybody whatever you say You could become a part of somebody else's propaganda and that's just what it is and

it's like all right well if I'm gonna be

snippeted up all the time

for what I say then I probably should do most of that in my own pulpit

“So that there's a better context and then I have control over how the clip is cut”

I've no control over what club Shay Shay is gonna do because at the end of the day You know Shannon Sharves editors or your editors or whoever It's about whatever is gonna get the best engagement or make the point that you want to make as the producer So I'm not mad at Shannon

I'm not mad at the the angry white boys who think that but you can push that live but I would hope that I have enough one way of precedent behavioral precedent where the average Proper thinking person would know that that's not what I meant and that's not my intent I do still want to meet those people though but not to murder to have a conversation and just just to have their house real praise yes

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with the very least they're using the parts. We got to give them an extra step if they want to be maximum lazy to then get there preferred version out of maybe they'll keep the part that little prelude part that's contact maybe they'll keep that in because it's easier now to just like Twitter, link it in bed and then send that off but the other thing I've been thinking about and I end up quoting and this is a very on our fest reference former podcaster and current Los Angeles Lakers head coach J.J.

Retic who could have been who could have been a contender. Yeah. J.J. as a basketball podcaster was maybe Michael Jordan he'd be on Netflix home page right now absolutely right next to breakfast club you'd be right there and and J.J. immediately saw the business that we're describing and he was like oh wait a minute okay so audio doesn't go viral video does correct and I was like oh like he's right and so the question is not do we want to object to the principle of how

dishonest some of the aggregation is it's make peace with that being the business and then figure out

“how do I preempt it? I still think the good stuff will be consumed properly I think we are at a”

point with podcasting where because there's so much out there I believe people are a little bit more picky about what they want to consume because you name the topic there's at least 10 people within that within that except for employment there was only four employment podcasts and none of them funny that was part of why I took the idea that you can just go on and talk about something on sensible or you can ask lazy questions because also that was the other thing if you're a fan of

me and I go on a new podcast and they're asking oh questions well why the fuck would you keep listening like and then you're on my ass to post the link of a hitman we did the episode make sure you post why so my fans can hear me answer the same got them questioned again because you didn't

it's it you don't always know when you're getting something nutritious but you know how you

“feel after you consume bullshit and I think podcasting is approaching that and then we're going to”

get to a point where the things that are not getting eyeballs at some point will fall by the way side and yeah the streets get to choose in YouTube gets to decide a great deal of what grows but ultimately I think we're in a place where the same way the end of time like right now we make I think is it 60 maybe 40 let's just say 40% fewer scripted shows then we did pre-COVID just because of industry contraction and their hedging bets and they don't want to put a lot of money into everything

I think podcasting is something similar like you're not going to have these big podcast networks

that are just throwing six digit checks that people hoping that something returns the money trains gone it'd be like 15 years ago with web series I don't know if you remember funny your dye and super deluxe and all of those websites that was the way 15 years ago just shoot your own web series okay they were given they were given like a hundred thousand dollars to creators to shoot ten episodes of a web series just that wouldn't happen now you would have to shoot that yourself

“and then get traction and then maybe you get some sponsorship deals or whatever but yeah I think”

that I think video is what sells and because you start talking about video now it has to be something that's actually worthwhile and then it's going to push the envelope of how it's presented are you do you ever think and I I confess that I think about this too much do you ever marvel as I noticed by the way that you're still wearing your beard even though the shows don't take it because they might do reshoots in April and I've been growing the f*ck since October so I'm

scared you're even now it's still patchy like this isn't a trustworthy beard you're your your you're a methodunk I'll say that but I wonder as you inhabit this role if you marvel at what is required in terms of what the audience demands as per production value because I will scroll through my feed and I'm somebody who fetishizes editing and and camera work and production and man can you just just you remember what it's like to be multi cam and all that

and now what is it yes and now jump cuts are the norm they're even preferred preferred to some degree just get to the point it's all better to do a jump cut mid sentence it used to drive me crazy with stand up because I saw a comedian who I knew would do the joke one way live and within the internet they will cut out the pregnant pauses within the joke and I'm like what are you doing upon it I did my analytics and I noticed the thing went down and I started doing it like this and

the thing went up and I'm like all right I guess you can't argue with that I just I hate that we are enslaved in our creative to to consumers who are behaviorally a school of fish and you don't know which way they're going to change or turn and I think it takes a lot to really stand tall in the midst of just going with the flow like that's very very hard I'm not I'm not crazy about it but then I also you know when it comes to like social media management I've had a couple different

people and I remember at the daily show you know you would always take something and then you

will show it to the interns before you posted it and I they just got here but they're also the eyes that we want to consume this thing and they would give you pointers and move this and they would be right they would be right every time I mean right down to captions and how captions now

“move with one word and like that drives me up the wall but if you're saying that's what I got”

to do so that I can still tick it's in Toledo next month then all right fine then that's what I have to do I just have to hope that you will come see me live and get the more elongated proper version of the thing as the chef intended yeah as the chef intended and I really feel like when you look at what's happening now with how we consume content it's all short order you know the one thing that gives me some degree of hope is the the this Korean drama vertical thing that

watch it 10 minute webisode but you'll watch 10 one minute episodes but it changes how you write

because they write essentially cliffhangers every minute and it's huge it's huge over there and that trend is starting to happen over here and so if that becomes the new behavioral consumer habit

“then I think slowly we revert that to people just watching a 10 minute thing because if you're”

banched 10 one minute episodes eventually your viewing habits will turn it will evolve into you just watching timid like if you're a 20 year old right now and you watch 10 one minute episodes by the time you're 30 you'll have the attention span in theory to watch something for 10

minute and then we're back to 20 minutes and then we're back to regular sitcom in 1988 land

what if you what if you read so many cliff notes that was actually just the same length as the book the maybe like that might be the world like take a book and break it into like four volumes now I I look at that and I just wonder because also I'm 47 and I go all right well who the ill is my audience what am I doing what I want to talk about I like the news I enjoy talking to strangers that's

“one thing that I do know and I feel like that's very across the board you know I used to love”

I used to love watching Larry King live with my dad what about Larry King live just regular people bro like when he would just have regular people calling it there there was um it was a Tom Snyder the late late show the late late show before Craig Ferguson if I'm not mistaken it was Tom Snyder and he would take calls there's clips of this man on the internet Tom Cruise is in the chair and he goes hang on top yes we got a call I call hello and just so regular person is talking to Tom Cruise

it was fascinating to me Jay Leno would do Jay walking that was fascinating to me like just the idea of connecting with people like that so that leaves me some degree of hope but I just feel like I'm not going to creatively work from a place of what is there a market for. Well let me let me

“do do something based on your stated preferences which is that there is a job right now in which”

people are reacting spontaneously to live breaking events and dealing with strangers all of the time and they're called streamers they're called these they're called kisonat and speed and and and these kids and do you watch with curiosity any of of what those kids are doing and I wonder Roy if you if you were you know born I don't know 20 years later 30 years later you might have been one of these very industrious young young people I would have had to spend a streamer that's the way I will the

one thing I am grateful for with these streaming kids when I see him was that I know that they've made more than enough money to be able to take the time that they're going to need in their 20s to emotionally recover like on some mental health like yes because if you look at what kisonat is doing now kisonat is transitioned off a stream and into fashion and the young brother doesn't stream nearly as much as he used to and he's having fallouts with his social circle from a stream in days and

I don't click the links but I see it and you know you see a link in the rock hot too doesn't like Jim Zhang dash slash and that's the power going to aggregate from this episode we will join you talk shit about continent no like I see those kids and I'm like that's got to be exhausting oh man if you ever can look into the box but if you can look into the eyes of these streamers during the part that they know isn't going to go viral and they're just working on camera

yeah you can you can you can smell the burnout correct and so I'm like all right I don't know what you graduate to next from that but you've got more than enough money to go sit away for a decade average american makes 3 million in their whole lifetime I know they've cleared that at least so you got time to go and sit you know but then you look at it like like speed and it's rather with the Africa for a whole two three months and two three

weeks or so and show size to the country that I've never seen on any travel show and show

perspectives that we've never seen about the black experience and the global black diaspora that otherwise wouldn't have been shown so it's like thank you for that but I also look at it

12 hour shoot and we get to have a snack you don't never see speed having a snack like

that boy should go go and he's running and he's learning and he's exciting and I hate that I

“cannot remember his name but I'm so happy that that the young brother out of San Francisco I think”

Michael who's now the new host of reading rainbow and that's going to series and that's someone that was just passionate about a thing and everything else found him so I think if I'm passionate about whatever it is I really want to do you find the people that are passionate about it and you build community together I don't know if I could I don't like I mean I have clips of my phone of stuff I was going post three weeks ago I still haven't posted the idea of just a camera

sitting in my face at all times I just I don't I don't know I don't know if I could do that I also don't know how you quantify it like how does that grow beyond because I think the interesting thing that every streamer or internet sketch comedian has to continue with is the maturation of their audience and eventually if you start at 1617 and that's your audience by the time net 2425 their taste in humor is going to change like if you think about the things you

“laughed at at 16 that that's what I say like everybody has a period where they really love”

decadels and then everything on either side of that it's just it's kind of whatever it's kind of take it or leave it I think when I look at a lot of these streamers now I'm curious of what they'll become when they when they start approaching their 30s because their audience isn't going to be into the same things and then unless you're marrying someone who's into that as well but

you know we had this isn't the first generation you know of streamers you know there was a

guy that used to follow from while in out named Timothy Delegato and so Tim was OG 1.0 streamer youtuber the Lena yes don't make me get guests the race Roy is too good and noticing the traps I'm telling you I'm talking about you ain't gonna get me Malaysia was just the wrong race and I'ma tell y'all I had to rip so here's a very specific I'm not sure I'm not that guy I'm just highly specific and resonant to a certain kind of thing is that you don't know

if I'm telling her true for now so I'm gonna just start I'm gonna use it like the idea so you look at a guy like Timothy Delegato who was 1 million percent open book to everybody and then

like that so nah this is me this is my family here's what I will give you and the rest of this

is my life it's my own personal place to be and so I think age wise once they kind of hit that same turn it'll be interesting to see what type of content they transition into and what type of

“new style of content the next wave of kids get into and that's why I don't think a network can really”

get behind it he'll twitch don't even know what to do with speed half to time you know they don't even push them to the forefront have to do so it's the idea of even understanding what that is by the time you realize what it is you'll be behind the curve I just think young people they're gonna continue to use tech and probably a little more AI to dictate how they entertain themselves and I think just once you're 25 and over then you're kind of into the more traditional ecosystems

all these broadcasts and streamers are gonna just they're gonna continue to merge and implode on themselves and eventually just re-blossom the force will blossom again with way too many shows the way it was one of the things that I've made peace with because I'm I'm 40 and I have a six year old is the young people who are the classic case study of man I want to call them corner cutters and lazy because they're not doing in the way that I did it Journalism and rigor and

you didn't pressure on yourself look so you'll accomplish that's not legitimate for real and the thing that I've made peace with as I watched the increasingly dead eyes of these streamers is that

what I pride I take pride in myself and in our staff at the show and I wonder you know I don't want

to set you up for like a motivational coaching pep talk but it does feel like those who don't have that work ethic are probably **** correct and that all comes down to whether or not you have that degree of tenacity I feel like Drewski is kind of an interesting case study as well where you have a kid who did quick and easy sketches online same as everybody else I phone eight low light whatever and then the next thing you know he's in a wire harness floating like a

Baptist mega church pastor like hundreds of thousands of dollar budget at level sketches and they just came from repetition repetition also not being worried about rejection and there is

“there is a veneer of perfection that you believe that you need to always have at all times on the internet”

and if you don't have the perseverance to push past that like the internet is like getting booed every day and how are your nerve endings on that I'm in different like it doesn't bother me like even like in the thick of racial slur the only thing I don't with this death threats I take that series I elevate that right up to CNN Warner Brothers FBI motherf***ers or whatever but

like everything else just does it it's never really bothered me but I got lucky because I came up

at a time where live tweeting was just beginning to be a thing and this is 2010 and we did last coming standing and the network contractually made us live tweet the episode under the hashtag every Monday night I'm on the show for too much straight I keep advancing every round so every Monday night for two hours straight I'm under this hashtag and you're to reply to anything about you and hey Roy it's funny thank you make sure you're watching next week but in between all of that

is f***ing him and he's not funny and you look like him and Thompson and you look like a the crackhead king and Thompson is what they're about the racial slurs like so just imagine for two hours straight you just consume the worst of yourself and then the west coast feed comes up and you got to do it all over again so I did that for two months and it was kind of like I don't know some sort of weird hatred dig a system learn how to become a Jedi at not letting things bother

me but when you look at to that point of work ethic you put out one or two sketches that suck and everybody hates on you and tells you you're terrible and think you coward you stop when now you're f***ing now the algorithm only rewards reputation and constantly being fed so you have

to persevere beyond that and constantly constantly puts stuff out and I think the thing that's always

that I've always found interesting about Druski and even Desi Banks is the evolution of the content and being able to be a little bit on the pulse of whatever we're talking about you know more culturally than like it's not necessarily current events catch like this happened yesterday but it's more about this is a conversation we're having at large as a people and whether you think the stuff is funny or not it doesn't matter because he's found the

“people that like it and then he grows it and I think you have to be able to persevere past”

somebody giving you a thumb down and saying you ain't sh*** and it's the same with the podcast and because of one thing I learned over the years is that nobody remembers what they hate they just go out and like it now and if you say something hateful like we're getting into cancel culture that's a different thing but just you put out a sketch today and nobody liked it all right put one up tomorrow and keep it moving and or lean into the fact that it was in

funny and laugh with the people so I just think that that's part of what separates the people who make it from the ones they don't is that perseverance and a lot of these kids are not battle tested because they've come up and everybody gets a hug down a culture and I'm not

“trying to like sound like an old man when are but you need to get punched in the mouth for”

a couple times proverbially like you need to get you need to find a cut-up before proverbial yes you need to worry with you to watch a bunch of children in the face I keep a lead I wrong with that Pablo would have on this racist I just I feel like that's the that's the thing that separates a lot of people and sometimes that's what stalls me because

off of and analyze it and I can well let me look at the market and see who else is doing what

and then it said it said just putting something out there because there's stuff you'll see like some podcast you were following three or four years ago and you look at it now and go wow that really grew not like did it was just keep doing it it's not like they did anything magical was what's the number 80% of podcasts whether they don't make it a year or something like that like for all the podcasts we have this time make sure 80% of them will be going it is like NBA

player probabilities we're going towards the complete unlikely that this will work out for you but it's not like those podcasts we're cancel they didn't all have a deal yeah you just stopped but you know the it I realize that the saving grace of our experiences online when it comes to dealing with feedback is the same thing I struggle with which is that all of this is so disposable the thing that shouldn't keep me up at night that comment is also the thing that

plagues the stuff I want to last forever that I am molding with this staff of people at this show and and hoping you know indoors but why do you want that to endure is it not the deal especially if we're talking especially if we're talking current events independent on the nature of the part like if it's like I would argue a lot of what you've done especially in the last year has been similar in having and creating deeper arguments and discussions around entire industries

like that's those are things that are long lasting like when the clippers have to go oh what are we going to do now Pablo didn't drop the podcast like that that shapes industries that's

“going to change that it's going to like physically affect industries like that I think when you”

set out to do that did you know that did you treat it like that what did you just create and I feel like so much of what we do it just it don't belong to us once we hit upload like once we put it out there my most viral joke is a joke that ain't even from none of my specials what's the joke it's a street fighter joke and and I say it with that snark because I did put me effort it like it was just it was a joke yeah I like it I did it on comedy central but it wasn't like

what you do in our special these are jokes that I've saved over for two years and polish each corner to make sure that every political point is exactly the way I want and then f*** off at the comedy solo one night I do a joke about how street fighter the people in the background aren't paying

attention to the fighting 40 million views this sumo wrestler's karate chopping a car over and over again

thousands of comments and I like this was brilliant I'm like you did not watch my f*** about gun control bitch I've got stuff way more fire than the street fighter joke but at the

“people have decided that what I've put out that that's what they want to consume I'm cool with that”

and if anything it makes me go alright if I want you to come to my stand up for the subliminal political thing there may be I would benefit from having a little bit of you know something a little lighter in there I think that as much as we want to dismiss people we want to dismiss negative consumers but then all of a sudden we the ones who love it we allow that to fill our soul so does the person who did not like it for a reason like what was the reason and you don't

have to get into the silly metrics of when somebody punched out and a clip but a lot of that it's what's happening now like when you like you ever you haven't noticed when you watch a movie

preview now there's a preview to the preview there's literally a three second preview of what you're

about to watch and then it says preview starts now and then it starts like what the f*** but if I want

“people to come see the movie that's what I got to do I they're going to chew up the food and”

spit it into our mouths and make sure that we are going to digest and I hate it I hate it but then if you hold firm because you know we're not talking if you're Christopher Nolan or Scorsese you say you don't have to follow those are the Ryan Coogler it's not going to give you the preview to the preview but if your average Joe Blow film maker trying to get your second film green little

the corporations follow the people who want to be spoon fit if you don't follow that they use that

“against you to justify that you don't have what it takes and I still think that somewhere in the”

midst of our shorted tension spans and this idea that most consumers don't know any better what they're doing somewhere in there they do know and you just have to sift through those results and really get to the bottom and see what the criticism is because sometimes somewhere in the midst of all of that there are valid criticisms and that part of what helped me when I was

doing last comic standing is that all with that joke is just like so and so is joke or that that's

a point that's a lazy joke I maybe I need to hear that maybe I need to be challenged a little bit

“more so you would hope to get that type of critique from your colleagues and people you respect”

but every now and then it's it's cool like which is why I appreciate Reddit because Reddit to me is like the most thoughtful excuse I mean we're grading on a tremendous curve here yeah I'm just saying if I wanted if if I'm getting criticized or having my work critique Reddit comments or probably what I would put at the top tier because there's a lot of thought it's a long nice it's eight nine paragraphs it's really it's really laid out because oh my god because the show we

don't see an end it's a remake of a British British show it's been on 30 years so the Brits was all scared that we was going to f*ck their IP and the havoc I got news for you British page there's a sub thread in there that's just critiquing every episode of the American version

and I was in that bitch every day when we first got on air and it's not as bad as I thought

which is a standing ovation from a British person but yeah I just think that we want we want to

“create these things that are heralded and lauded and revered when the truth is some people just”

want to street fighter Joe and and then I can do about that so if you don't laude what I want you to laude I can't I don't accept that as a loss and also can't get a no it with you because you like what you like now it's not your fault that you like Street Fighter Joe because you've been bringing Washington to think and f*ck is all you should consume and maybe you should well like I like the fact that we have these weird documentaries now like I think that any documentary

where the subject is part of the production of the documentary to some degree is an authentic because it's like when the person is producing their own biopic are you gonna really tell us all the truth about when you was a f*ck oh but if watching a doc that has the person in the doc is the only reason a doc was made they get you to watch a doc and you otherwise wouldn't watch the doc's fine and hopefully the next one that's actually got some teeth to it you'll turn that one

on I look forward to you as a person without a podcast I look forward to you hosting a street fighter podcast that subtly transitions into a multi-part investigation into reparations that's a good place to hand Roy Wood Jr thank you for saying yes thank you thank you all you guys for joining us thank you all good to see you bro thank you this has been Pablo Torre finds out from metal arc media we are obligated journalistically to point out

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