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And it is grit week boys. Great week. 2026 is here. We all feel in it. I'm loving it. I like the new video that we got for grit week here. It's me and you wearing the Piercefield like St. style helmet. And then that guy in the middle, Hank said was him. Yeah. As the football player. But yeah, I love grit week. I love being on the road. Do you know why he said it was him? He said

“because he's holding it in his left hand. That's what he said. That's what he said. He's holding”

the big mallet in his left hand. That's what you're also holding a hammer in your left hand. Big gap. That's true. Yeah. It'd be dexterous. But I'm I'm very excited to be back on the road. I love the new vanny wood head. I can't wait to hit the road. I don't sexy. That thing was built for comfort. That was built for interstate travel. It was built for Hank Naps. The yans are going to hit different from the back of any wood head 2.0. Yeah. I'm ready to roll. Love being on the road with

a voice. And we have an awesome interview with Coach Bellachek coming up but before that, game 7, the Cleveland Cavaliers advance. We're actually recording this while all the fourth quarter's going on.

So let me check the score real quick. Yeah. We're going to go a little down for a third time.

It was, they're down 30. It was, it was, yeah. What's the current score? 108, 70, 110, 80. So congrats to the

busloads of fans. Instead of the George Soros Playbook. It's pretty nice. Yeah. He's stuff in the ballot and it was, I mean, the calves like they just were so much better in this game. The series Friday night thought the calves were going to close out at home. People all Paul had different

different ideas. He was incredible. But this was, we found the antidote for big game james,

james, hard games, sevens. It's just simply have Evan Mobley down of a Mitchell Sam Merrill and Jared Allen all play out of their mind. The Mitchell played awesome in the first half. He was controlling the offense when he was getting to the rim. Sam Merrill's sevens for nine from three. It was either scoring five from sevens or hitting somebody for a dunk. It was just, it was dominant from the calves. This series is it fair when we call the series a midoff? So I was talking,

“I was actually hanging out, we're talking about it earlier. I think we just need to come to grips.”

And we haven't seen the next play in what feels like forever. Yeah. I think it's okay to just say that in the NBA right now and the next might throw this theory up because they might just be better than what we kind of expected. A lot of teams are just okay and that means they can all be each other and then there's okay see in San Antonio. Yeah. That's kind of what it feels like where it's like both of these teams have flaws. Both these teams did okay things during,

you know, the piss is at a very good regular season. But at the end of the day, they both, they like, if you just keep playing the series forever, they'll just keep exchanging wins back and forth. And the, and the, and the pistons just don't have enough offense. We knew that kind of going in Tobias Harris, that's got to feel good. Max bad bad. That's another win for the six. Still waiting for him to make a bucket. Still waiting for him to make a bucket. He had a stretch there in the

playoffs where he had like 20 points. He looked okay a bunch of games in a row and then it just is falling off a cliff. But yeah, it's, I mean, the, the calves, we were, we were having this discussion last week when we were asking memes. We wanted to play and he wanted to play the calves. He wanted to play the calves. He wanted to play the calves. And my counterpoint was the calves,

“well, I think the next are going to win. The calves do still have players that are very good.”

And the pistons have kid coming him and then some guys that can chip in, but maybe not a consistent basis. Whereas the calves have, I mean, like down in the Mitchell end go off. James Harden can go off and mobile in Jared Allen can be very good. So Max, Drew's dog. I think this is the, the progression of the pistons along the way is like, what were they two years ago? I said at the other the other day, they won like 16 or 18 games. Oh, they were so bad years ago. Yeah. So just two years ago,

they were, they were just dog shit, they're really, really bad. Last year they made a progression against the net. Then this year, the natural progression from that is let's take the regular season super seriously. Let's win all the games that we can get a high seed. Then they get to the playoffs. And it's like, oh, yeah, when you play against better teams, the, the flaws are more easily exploited. So then going it's next year, you would think that they would continue to adjust the roster. And then maybe be a more

serious playoff threat next year. I mean, more scoring. Yeah, this might be it's a step in the, I don't, I don't know if this playoff was a step in the right direction for the pistons, but I would say the totality of this season. We're still going on the right direction. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So next year, you build off this and then he wasn't good tonight. He was, he's had weird turnovers and like, yet tonight, he was not, he was, he needed to be super human to win this series and he fell short

on the super human thing, which he's not saying he's a bad player. He's a very, very good player.

“It's just when you have to carry the load and then keep coming in, how to carry,”

you can't have it off night, especially in the game. Yeah. There was a moment after halftime,

Bickett, I made this note because, you know, we always go back and forth on what the biggest leads are

in sports. Like what they look like. Oh, yeah. I've got a new one. I've got a new one. This is the biggest. I saw it, too. What was yours? I'm 72.49. Yeah. Yeah. I saw it. I was like, oh, that's that is by far, the biggest 23 point lead in sports. Yeah. 72 to 39. No 49. Oh, 72 to 49. 72 to 49. It feels like that. It feels like 40 points. When that score was on the screen, I sat there. I did the math like three times in a row. I was like, this has to be a 40 point lead. Correct. It's crazy. But yeah, I can

grats to the calves. Good luck in the next round. I know the next fans that I know. It means Zach included. Very excited to play against James Hardin and the boys in this round. Are you? Are you worried at all that James Hardin has been saving it up his entire career for this series? And he's about to just unload on you. In the NBA play, he play. I'm looking forward to playing the calves. I've done about respect for James Hardin's game. But I have the utmost respect and confidence

in Jim Presley in the next memes. I agree with Zach statement. Never in my lifetime, though,

read before. So I'm just excited to watch a play. Nixon six. Nixon six, first year. Nixon five,

“Nixon four. Nixon four. This will be over by next week. I know. Yeah. A lot of times we're back”

from Broadway. This series will be over. I'm going to say, Nixon five. Nixon five. Nixon four. Hey, is it a disappointment for New York if the next don't sweep them? No. No, it's the NBA. You can have an off night. It doesn't. You win the series. You win the series, but it's Nixon four. Well, you personally be disappointed in the next if they don't sweep them. No. I know how it goes. It's, you know, you can, you can, you can get cold and lose a game. That doesn't mean you're the worst

team. That's fast. Yeah. And then on the other side, I can't wait for the thunder in the spurs. Yeah. Jalen Williams is coming back for the thunder too. Yeah. So they've doubled their amount of Jalen Williams that they have ready for San Antonio who are in the conference finals. It's conference right. We still have we still have a game seven for in hockey, but it's kids. It happened like that. Hank, you're your best two weeks of sports gone in a flat. I know it's a good run. Not really. Actually,

it was a horse. Yeah. I'm going to say you've hated those two. It was like, oh, it was a, yeah. Basically,

I never, like, I never came back from Max's bachelor party. Like, my, my sports, my sports season,

just end up seeing your pain. Now I'm just like now I'm just a neutral observer. I went to Vegas. He says, like, go team, go. Yeah. And I came back just like, well, it's on TV tonight. Like, all right, let's watch this game. Yeah. Hey, like, guys, we're never coming back from Vegas. You remember the kill on the kill on a hurricane? Yeah. They're still playing hockey. We had a nice, uh, there was like the, uh, old debate, the bodybuilder debate on what day the weeks, how many days did they? There was a lot

of debate on how many days off the hurricanes have. There's an 11 or 12. I think it was, it's burned by our good friend Ryan Whitney, saying 12, counting the day that the hurricanes play game one as the 12

“day. That's not an off day. Yeah. So, uh, but I, I got a little chuckle out of that. So that's how long,”

like the fact that they haven't, we're debating on how long their rest is. Is it 11 or 12 days? That's how long it's been and we just haven't seen a play. That's really mind blowing. Yeah. I've been working on an impression recently because you know, I'm good pretty good at impressions. Uh, this one is Keith Yandle from Spinchick, let's see what I wrote. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. I, I texted Yans. I was such a funny video. And it also, but I think biz knows it's mostly his stories. Wow. Wow. Wow. Well, we have to have the

hands. We, I think we're on the hands in the rotation, right? Yeah. Uh, you know, we have biz with, yeah, we're back to the end. So we'll be in the next week. But, uh, all right. We're going to talk PJ, championship after this quick ad. Okay. Before we talk PJ, championship, draft Kings, the NBA playoffs are here and draft King sportsbook and official sports betting part of the NBA brings excitement to every game day. The whole postseason when the lights get bright is the best players in

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in partnership with draft Kings, the crown is yours. Okay, boys, none of us have to get wet from soggy sorrows and Shane Bacon because Aaron Rye is your 2026 PGA champion at the course that Max took his prom pictures. Congratulations to him. It's pretty huge. What's the most iconic moment on that 18th green? Is it Aaron Rye winning a PGA championship? Or is it Max to Lente buttoning up a suit with a bow tie for the first time in his life? I mean, it wasn't very dramatic.

He had that thing locked up. He did. Yeah. He actually had it so locked up that I was a little, I was a little weirded out the fact that the gale was inscribing the want to make her while there were guys on like the 15th. It was like, I know it's a total crazy long shot. But what it would do one of the guys, like as a guy who had bet John Romo was just hoping for a prayer and anything that could possibly happen to go wrong. That gave me like one last second of hope of like

this tournament's not over. Yeah. He's not. He's not it. The trophy jinx would be all time.

“Yeah. That would be incredible. I think it was, the tournament just kept going on because they”

had smid and a bunch of other guys that weren't going to win that had to wrap up. I would have

It was the 68 foot pot that was awesome. Awesome moment. That was the moment of the championship. And that was from that moment on. It was like, all right, he's got this. But yeah, it was a little

“weird that down the stretch. There's a guy like, who had like an eat was a eagle or burglary?”

Smollary had a eagle. Smollary pirates showed that guy who said that should be their, uh, his, his fan, his fan group's name. But he had an eagle and he was like, okay, yeah, obviously there's pretty much no chance, but it's part three. What if he had a home one? Was it like a 68 or 68 foot pot that that ride hit to wrap it up? Which I think was like a little bit longer than the one that that spawn hit last year, right? Like like by foot or two,

it was over at that point. It's a cool story. Although it is, it's the second European to win

a major this year. And Europeans are now two and oh and majors for the first time since 1934, when the master's began and then nothing bad happened after that. Are we, are we as a country washed because this also is on the heels of Shams announcing SGA back to back MVP. And I think it's been like nine years. I believe eight years since an American is one, the NBA MVP. So that is tough. We're just getting, we're just getting this, this counts as a loss for Philly. Yeah, not a good

“sports sound. Yeah, not being able to get a better home term. I think I did get a Roy Rattle. They tried”

Roy is so funny. He just hit like a chip shot and then it went poorly. And then one guy, it wasn't even as backswing, because after the shot went bad goes, you will suit. And Roy

trying to go, that guy right there, get him out, get him out. Get him out of here,

kick him out. It was, it was so soft by Roy, but yeah, it's, it's crazy. What are you guys talking about memes? What did you find? Joel, what? Joel and BDUSA, that's true. Joel and BDUSA, you're gonna say MVP. And also, we're gonna win the Stanley Cup again. It was, which, which, that's like year, what? Fifteen, how long has been, 1994, '93? Yeah. Yeah, we've been dominant at that. I think the official guy who was born in America was 2018 James Hart. Okay, yeah, so that was the last one. What

James Hart and the honest twice, YoKage, twice, and BDUSA twice. And then it's gonna be wonby for the next 10 years. Yeah, it's gonna be wonby forever. The Canadian's, the Canadian's, uh, by the way, Matt was here. I will, I will get dual mash. I will renounce American citizenship and become French if the Canadians win the Stanley Cup this year. Came seven, coming up. Max, are you? What did you just said it? It won't help you. It won't help you. It won't help you. It won't

say in stupid shit. Yeah. Okay, twice. The Canadian's in stupid. That wasn't stupid. They're not gonna win. What did you say? Said the shit. No, no, no, what did you say? No, no, what did you say before that? You're gonna renounce your citizen? I don't know. Sometimes I just say things out of the generous. I was gonna just become French if the Canadians, but you're not gonna win the Stanley Cup. How do you, how do you, how are you gonna marry someone from, how do you acquire? Yeah, I'm pretty

sure the French has taken everyone they can get. You're gonna have to move there. For like half a year or whatever. Yes, fine. No, no, no, fine. Oh, no, fine. Hey, I'll probably need somebody coming hang out with me. And yeah, no. You don't want to go to France? Not for half a year. Dude, the South of France is nice. Yeah. Of the places I'd like to go for houses on the, how about this? On the short list. If the Canadians win the bad taste. That's a bad taste. That's a very bad

take place. If there's a lot of places. South of France. It's really nice. It's very nice. If the

“Canadians win the Stanley Cup, you have to eat or crush on every single day until an American”

team has a Stanley Cup back. That sounds awesome. Yeah. No, I'll do that. All right, current. That'll be my problem. You would get a little sick of it after like imagine if the, if you know what, if the oil is one after that, he had to do two years. You know what, pick up? I'll crush on every single day. I'll do the croissant. I'll also, because I'm so confident that we're not gonna, we're not gonna lose the Stanley Cup. I'll also eat French fries every day.

Oh, no. Yeah. It's gonna get real bad. Chris on that, you would get sick of a croissant. I don't know, like a croissant and coffee in the morning. That sounds like a sustainable breakfast. That's a every day. A lot of carbs. So then he's got to eat two. Two would be a lot. Two. Then two would serve. Two croissants every day until we get the cup back. We. And yes, you agree? Yeah, I'll do it. It's not gonna, listen, it's gonna be the Colorado avalanche. We already said they're

winning the Stanley Cup. Um, okay. So back to Aaron and I, uh, sorry, dude. That was, uh, we were,

throwing praise on you for winning a major. And then we just got sidetracked by a million different things.

You're up. Um, oh, Max, are you doing your draft? He's in his draft right now. He's got live draft. I don't know. I don't know. I may not have. Max said that he had a live draft. I was like, do it on the show. He's like, why would I do that? Because why not? He's got a, he's got a fantasy football. Yeah. Why have a co-owner? Yeah. Yeah. No, we went, we went with Fernando Mendoza. It's quite, we, it's a, it's a,

and then Jordan Tyson with our fourth pick, which were going to the Saints. So okay. So yeah, who's, and then when you let us know when you're not, that's it. I think it's all. You know,

say, oh, good draft. Because I think we traded all of our other picks to get up to the first round

pick. So yeah, that's it. You more against the future. Huh? More against the future? More against the future for what? You said you traded all your picks and move up. Yeah.

“I can't really tell you. Okay. Great. Good draft. Superflex, superflex dynasty. So that's why”

we won the Mendoza. All right. Aaron right. I love when you're watching a golf tournament. And you don't really know who the guy is who's about to win. And they start pouring on the stories. And my initial reaction because, you know, we all root for different guys and have different bets. I'm like, fucking I get this guy out of here. We need someone else. And then they start giving us the stories. And I'm like, this guy might be the coolest guy ever. The stories about him wearing

two gloves because he grew up in England and he golfed in the cold and he didn't have a lot growing up. And his dad used to clean his irons after every single practice round. So that's why he has

covers on his irons. I'm an Aaron Rife. Like, you can. You know how they always will throw on some

stories that make you feel sentimental. Like, they were really hitting us with it. And every single one, I was like, yeah, you know what? That's awesome. He's in on the record being like, yeah, I know it's goofy, but I'm never going to forget where I came from. I'm never going to forget the fact that having a pair of set of clubs when I was a kid was a big deal and taking care of them is a big deal. And so I showed that gratitude. Cool for Aaron right. Yeah, he said that when he was a kid,

his dad bought them those clubs and they were like way, way, way beyond what his dad could afford to pay for. Right. So since it was such a nice set, they would take great care of it. And he's like, yeah, actually, like golf clubs are really expensive. And it's pretty cool that I get sent free clubs now. But I'm still going to take care of him just the way that I would have when I was a kid. That was very cool. I'm wondering if we're going to see more golfers now wearing two gloves. Like, why don't

we wear two gloves? Why don't we wear two gloves now? Can't tell you. I'm going to go to win the reason because even two gloves and they're black and they're black. And I would say like between this and the Michael Jackson movie that's out right now, the right hand glove has had the best week since the OG trial. Yeah. It's like every kid across America is going to be like, I got to go out and get a right hand and glove, too. So I don't know. I might make a comeback. Yeah,

he might be like, oh, shit. Two gloves, he's my era. Where's the two gloves? He's me. So yeah, I might, I don't know, Hank, if you ever try golfing with two gloves once. No, I've tried golfing

“with the wrong glove on. Yeah, I remember that. Why? A couple of times. We don't even know which”

side you golfers. Well, as an accident, I asked for like a right hand to glove and they gave me a right glove for my right hand. It's very confusing. Like, I get that. That's actually, it's a mind-fuck when you ask somebody for a right hand to glove. Shout out by the way, the guy after the third round who he was mocked for it. He had Aaron Rice signed his baby. And did you see that going viral on Saturday night? Everyone's like, who in the world would

ever have Aaron Rice signed your baby? Yeah, baby's worth a lot right now. Yes, you can sell that.

Yeah, I'm never, I was probably going to pray. He's going to, he's probably going to PSA grade that

baby tonight. Guys, like, I'm never washing my son again. My son's been so much my main condition. I think he probably is like shit. I probably should have had him signed something else. Yeah, maybe my hat. Yeah, this is, it is like just a ton of of wholesome Aaron Reifax coming out. So when he, when he was a kid, when he was 15 years old, he broke the world record for consecutive puts, hold from 10 feet away. He made 207 in a row from 10 feet away.

“Wow. Yeah, pretty cool. 207. Mm-hmm. I think you should, you should, you should test that.”

Oh, maybe it's not like a dark strength or dark. After dark stream with Mulligan's. Yeah, with Mulligan's. And you also get to drink like two beers and then hit hundred pots and then four beers and hundred pots. Yeah. And we'll test you. And don't forget, don't forget other people do it. Don't forget hot chip and then hot chip and, and, um, limonine. We'll do limonine. Yeah, you get chocolate. Mm-hmm. But yeah, it's, it's, it's cool.

Awesome. Like, did it, hey, you're, you're golf nut. Do you think that this, we used satisfied with this tournament? It was a great tournament. It was exciting going into the day, Sunday, bunched up leader board. There was like 30 people within four shots. A lot of big names. Aaron Rye. Nice guy. Great story. Okay. Boring is hell. Boring winner. The Justin Tom is going off and like getting into the lead, uh, the clubhouse with like five, you know, five

under. All the time blue balls. All these, all these guys are like, Rory, John Ram, Cam Smith. All in the hunt. It was so exciting and it's like, oh, we could have a playoff. We could have like an all-time moment. It was pretty boring down the stretch, honestly. Like, the only thing that happened was that

It was kind of a blue ball Sunday where it was like, it was really exciting going into Sunday.

I was like, look at this fucking leader board. Like, oh my god. Like, everyone's within, everyone, everyone's within four shots. Nothing happens Sunday. Great, great crowd. Great, great venue, great fans, great leader board going into Sunday, disappointing finish. Okay. What,

“what if, what if, what if you, what if we say 10 years from now, Aaron Rye has won nine majors?”

Don't care still. No, that's, that's the thing about that. That's the thing about golfers. Is it retroactively would be like, yeah, that was actually the coolest. Yeah, that was awesome. We saw, because golf fans when they watch, when they watch their sport on TV, they're like, he comes out and he's like, "I like the sports advisors, yes." Like that's, he's got it. He's got it in the same way. Yeah, he's got it with Bulmering. And then it's like, all right, he's like, he's cool.

They're like, I want exciting guys to win. But in golf really, what you mean by the exciting guys is just guys that you've seen win before. Yeah, big names. Yeah. And also your bets. Yeah, yeah, that was really, you know, just still it down to, you had a few, you had a few lines in the water. And none of them, John Rawman campsmith, I was playing on, but still, it was, I don't know, it was, it was like, it was a hard course. They said the course

up hard. And because of that, there just wasn't like a ton of really birdies or anything. Like, nothing really, all that exciting happened. Of course, the best part of the tournament for me personally was we were all sitting in a hotel suite together, watching the tournament. Zach got us pub subs,

which we talked about in a second, great job, Zach. And he was rooting his ass off for campsmith

and campsmith would up to take a pot for minor like 20 feet for a birdie. And PFT just goes,

“brick. And he was just like, you said it before he put it. It was just like, why would you do that?”

He said, why don't you break? It's like, I got a shop. He was like, he was like, hopefully, he finished 10th. Schoffly was in and out of Schoffly and Reed, to finish in the top 10. Reed Patrick Reed, let me tell you, I think he might be the first Pog golfer, like PAAWG. Yeah, he is, he's thick as hell. Yeah. Oh, he was feeling awesome. We were back in the day, it was Pog City. Yeah, we were all free jogger was just Pogville. But now he looks like,

he looks like early era Megan trainer. He also, he does like, like, like, fact guys usually wear, you know, dark shirts. Patrick Reed's like, I'm going to wear the most ridiculous, like, right, like diagonally striped, but very large shirts that make him look fat. And then he

wears the tight pants. He's got like yoga pants. Yeah, when he plays, he bends over he's like, oops.

Yeah, he's got, he's got some shit going on. He's thicker than a bowl. He is. Patrick Reed, I love Patrick Reed's story. That'd be great if that was the documentary. He comes out thicker than a bowl. Yeah, I hate to watch him go, but I love to watch him read. Yeah, over, I like the tournament,

“just because I thought, I like the tournaments when they're really hard. I think they're cool.”

When it's like, Scotty after Friday was like, this is the hardest pin placement I've ever played. There's something about golfers complaining that just, it makes me laugh every time. I was like, you know, they're job. I also enjoyed the fans yelling at like, like just E.A. E. Eagles at Scotty Shuffle. Yeah. Yeah. That. That was just funny.

And like go birds after every T shot. It was very silly. It was very silly. There was another story about Ryan again. It's just like wholesome fact overload about Ryan. Me. Meems. Meems. You'll love this. His story is pretty much happy Gilmore. So he hurt himself playing hockey when he was a kid. Aaron Ryan. Yeah,

yeah, yeah, hockey stick. He had hockey stick. Oh, he didn't wasn't played. He just had a hockey. And his mom said that's Amy and his mom. He out said that's that's not safe. Let me get you some plastic golf clubs instead. That's much safer sport that you can enjoy. So he wanted to be hockey player. And he was like, thank you,

mummy. Yeah. I was trying me how to set the hockey player in England. That's quite something. Two minutes for boating. So he didn't get to get hurt. He's like, I don't want to drive you to practice the morning. I think his mom was like, that looks that looks quite dangerous. So he didn't get hurt. No, but he just, you want it to be hot. His love was

probably like, we don't have ice rings in England. Yeah, so you're not playing hockey. Yeah, Mumsey was like, those skates sound quite expensive. Yeah, Mum, Mumsey handed him a soccer ball. Like, try this. Okay, great. So I, I like to turn. I enjoyed the tournament. I understand what you're saying, Hank, you did want like a

John Rom, Sheffler do you want to play off? I got that's that's what I wanted. I wanted to play off. And I wanted some fireworks on the back nine. Well, the way that the playoff would have worked, you're going to hate it once you find out about it because you're going to be like, I wish that that had happened. No matter how many people had

tied for the number one spot after they were all done with 18,

like just all teed off at the same time. If it was like five of them, six of

them, they would all play together playing the playoff. Scramble. That would have been awesome. Interimvitational, which is 3v3 Scramble. Scramble, what did you get? Get it down to 3v3 Scramble would have been awesome. Okay, other news. We got the spurs. One game six convincingly against the timber rolls. We now have spurs okay see in the Western Conference final

starting Monday night. Gonna be awesome. And then we also had the fallout of the timber rolls. Tim rolls are one of those teams. They are every single playoffs we've said this. Every single playoffs they are heard from. They've the last three years. They've upset someone. They've made a mark on the playoffs. And then when they go out, we had Anthony Edwards

tapping up everyone on the spurs with eight minutes left in the game. And then was it Nas Reed? I believe Nas Reed afterwards said essentially like

“we don't like we don't play as a team. Yeah. And that's why we lose. And”

not exactly a great quote that you want to hear. His exact quote here is asking what they need to do to be able to catch the teams like okay see in the spurs. He said probably just the moodyness. You look at both those teams and they're playing for one another. They're excited to be on the floor with one another. Another their team where they're selfless. I

think we have more than enough talent but just being less moody. I think that that's just the name of the of the game for us just being less moody and more selfless. I feel like he could have just said Julius Randall. Yeah. I mean Randall, he had his struggles. I think it's just you know, you was playing old late defense a lot on game set. They they lost

their upset. They don't know what the in reality the answer is like they

they need somebody to counteract Wimbie which they don't have. Now in the last game of the closeout game the spurs guards all played in Castle Castle was in same. It was it was it was a great night for the three of those guys.

“And but I mean in reality if you want to catch the spurs Wimbie is going to be”

a puzzle that you have to figure out how to solve. I don't know if it's just like sending Rudy go bare out there every night. Just be like piss this guy off and get him kicked out. I think it's just you got to find his skin. You got to find it even taller French guy. Yeah. Good luck. Yeah. But they do feel like they're a team. I mean they're I think that they're a good team that is now getting

frustrated not being able to get over that home. Correct. Correct. And they would have lost this series if the other Edwards was 100% healthy. I believe but it would have been maybe more competitive because you when you see like they won game one which is a little bit of a shocker than they won the game that Wimbie got ejected from game six the other games were were blowouts.

Game six especially where it was like I mean do you guys do you guys have problem with Anthony Edwards going up to the bench with eight minutes left? I have no problem with it. I thought it was a little weird. I don't I don't have like a big oh Anthony Edwards can't win with that guy but it was a little unorthodox. I mean they just like they actually couldn't win this series. Yeah. Yeah they were just completely

outmatched. So yeah you would like your superstar to not do that if you had like an ARB choice which option do you want? Then again I don't know what happened in the Huddle but if Chris Finch was like hey you're not going back in then the coach is basically telling you hey we're we're done we're done here. So he's not going back in it's like all right yeah by as we'll go say congrats. Can you imagine hockey players

lining up to shake each other's hands after a game? They would never do it like these

guys take the game so seriously especially the playoffs. That's fast. Like that's the difference between the NHL and the NBA. That's facts. Okay any other sports stories that we had from this weekend that we wanted to talk about. It was Rajee. Yeah that was me my who's back. Well talk about no. Hey Rajee's back. Hey Rajee's back five million. I feel bad for sealers fans because that is just he's not he's not the same quarterback. No. Is he better than

what you have right now probably although you don't know what you have with Will Hard. Oh I think I thought you were going to say drill. Just drillers. I think you know what you have with all drillers. That's old drillers. You thought that you knew but they just they're they're doing a complete factory reinstall of the software. You see that quote? Yeah they're uninstalling everything he's ever learned. Correct. And they're doing brand new programs. I mean listen Mike

McCarthy's a good coach to quarterback so I I would guess that would be this overlining is that Rajee's and McCarthy together maybe you can recapture a little of the magic but it does feel like the Steelers just put a finite floor and ceiling on their season. Yeah right and it's somewhere between

“seven and ten wins. That's what we're thinking. What was the relationship like with them at the end”

of their time? Not great. What do you think it was like an upgrade with Aaron Rodgers? It's usually not great. Yeah it doesn't go well. I thought that was like why they split up. It was part of it.

I mean McCarthy left before obviously Aaron Rodgers because he had LaFlor. But yeah I mean I think

“I think Rodgers also has had I mean even when he was with the jets you could see it in some of his”

comments where he's just like I kind of maybe shouldn't have left the Packers because they know how to run an organization which they do. So maybe he's like hey this will maybe work out again. They did have good times together and Rodgers was at his peak. I think although he wanted I think he's last MVP was with 104. You know what I think that this is the year that the sealers want to play off game. Okay. There you go. Yeah no I think it's it's the best option that they had right now

without a doubt. But again it's like what do you build it like what do you what's the long term put?

I guess that's the first year it's like hey just try this once and then and then figure it out.

It's the best option for this year. But they're going to again isn't next year's quarterback draft great or I mean we don't know but it could potentially be great. They're probably going to play themselves into the 60s. So where they can't get a quarter. Yeah that part wouldn't piss me off.

“A Steelers fan. Yeah. Hey do you ever review of your Rhonda Rauzi Gina Carano fight?”

And horror. That was horrible. It was really bad. Those fights are joke. Did you watch the 80s? 90s. He can fight 80s. I'm going to put on a show. That was one of the most difficult things like I've ever watched on a television. More difficult than the drive we have tomorrow. That we're not talking. That's a different category. So where are you on? Yes. I was so overwhelmed. Who are the most difficult things to watch on the television that you've

ever watched on the television? Other than Eagle or Philly sports losses like that was up there. He was breeding from like a really bad tragedy. You don't like see them on the like live on the television. There's one that we could these saw. He was like eight. Yeah. Well, I was five years old. Okay. Challenger. Yeah. The challenge stuff. We weren't alive. That was tough. What is the challenge? I don't know what that is. Oh, hey Google Google O-rings. O-rings.

They got cold and Florida O-rings. Yeah, spaceship. They tried a lot of spaceship before it got hot out. Rocket goes blue. There's a change around the world. There's a change around the world. Every school in America wheeled the TV and to watch it live because there was a teacher on there.

There's a first-grade teacher on there. No survivors. No survivors. No survivors. No, no.

No survivors. I think blew up on live television in front of America's children. But yeah, I guess the right one if I was sent to. Yeah. Yeah, that arm bar was finished. So that wasn't an arm bar. What was it? Ronda Rousey was an arm bar. Yeah. I said Ronda Rousey's arm bar.

“I mean, Nate Diaz. He was just, he was just, that's what he does. He just doesn't care.”

He watched it. Nate Diaz is a healthier reminder as like there's levels to be in a man. Yes. Right. And absolute sad. Correct. Every time Nate Diaz fights, you're like, oh my god. He's not a man. He's not a man. For the first three rounds. Yeah. You think it's a dead man. Yeah. He just eats punches and it makes no sense. It's, it's the most sobering reminder of like, yeah, I might be bitch made because Nate Diaz was a faucet of blood. Like,

the amount, like, the stream of blood that was coming out of like the pores of his face were very graphic. We might have a new MMA correspondent with back to doing a good job. I like that. You are doing a good job. Hank, you've been, I'm proud to take that. You've been replaced, Hank. Fuck. And then the Canadian Canadian Sabers going game seven. That's going to be awesome. Good for hockey. A lot of, you know that this, this series is getting serious because we've got a lot of fan discourse. What it means to be a

good fan because Canadian fans were leaving early when they were down eight to three. Try to understand. Yeah. Yeah. But previously they've been like, we don't leave. We don't leave early for these games. Wait, Canadians, they, they won. They lost eight to three, but before, before the series are like, look at Sabers fans leaving. Okay. This is bullshit. They were talking shit about the same. Yeah. And then, I see, I guess it's a story. Much of that discourse. Yeah. It was something, listen,

Canada's, it's a hockey country, except for the gold medal in the Stanley Cups. Other than that, the number one hockey country. Okay. Should we do, who's back the week? Oh, also we had rivalry week in, uh, in baseball, which I feel like they don't really pump that up because we had Yankee's mats, cubs, white socks, fillies, pirates, Cubs need pitching. And that's those were were in trouble. Yeah. Wheeler schemes, Wheeler PFT drugs of Nat's fact on us that were like, he's like,

an until Saturday, the Nat's had lost 15 straight games when they were trying to get back to 500. Yeah. When there were one game below 500. And hey, can I both are like, nope. Yeah. Well, that all changed. That all changed because they were 500. They were 500 and then they lost today. But we got a pup. We got a dog, which there's, there's a strong correlation between getting like a 13 week old puppy and your season getting completely turned around. Um, so shout out Natty, the, uh, the national's

pup looks like a very good boy. I just hope that he's got a couple of things that other bullpen and them because are pitching staffs things. Yeah. Cubs need pitching. Why talk so good? They're actually like,

this is finally like, it's kind of, they're not a joke. They've got some sluggers. Big time,

do sluggers. Dude, they're not, they're, I don't know what the price is for them to win the AL central, but they, they're not a bad team. Yeah. Have a question, Becat. Yeah. Um, what is PCA hate women? Uh, he actually talked about it afterwards. He said that there was a woman in the, um, outfield in the in centerfield who was talking shit to him. And he said, I just talked some shit back.

“I liked that. It was, I think it was her engagement party or something. Maybe. And then”

right as they go, they show the clip of him talking shit to her. And then it's like, it's like, it's like, children's day at the park. And it was perfect. So yeah, I have no problem with that. A PCA is a PCA is a guy who can start like he, people get mad about PCA if he's not.

If you don't roof for the cops, people get mad about him. If you roof for the

cops, you're going to defend him. He's a lightning rod guy. He's good for rivalries. He is. And Schworber's also just, he just hits, I mean, that wasn't saying. He hasn't hit any homers in the past two days. And I'm getting Nancy. You're like, this guy stinks. No, not this guy stinks. It's just, I'm just used to Schworber homers every single day. And so now that I, that I have, I've had two days without them. He's been with all those Schworber has had two homers in both of those days. So at least

he's been with all of them back. Oh yeah, about 500. They're back. Metz are the Metz back. A season of finding win this weekend on Sunday. Not back, but they've moved up a level from dead to scrappy. Oh, that's an important step. Yeah, there's still six games below 500, but

they won five out of the last six. So wrong season. I don't tell their big home run to that.

So all the season. Okay. Twisted T, who's back the week's brought to you by Twisted T. Summers right around the corner. And Twisted T is coming in clutch to turn our day drinking up a notch. Their new summer party pack has a brand new Twisted T lemonade. And I want to go on the record saying this will be the drink of the summer. It's got a refreshing taste with a little kick and no carbonation. Great week is the official kick off of preseason football that we've all been

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to be back. Tell me the schedule release. Talking about this trade Max. Get the trade going. It's not going to twist the tea. Grab a refreshing Twisted T today. We're pretty into the tight end. I don't think there's a trade in my mom. No, for the draft, there is.

“You'll fit. That's when the pick is in. Yeah, they don't do it. I think trade just goes.”

All right, do the trade. I mean, it's it's nowhere close to confirmed. But one of the initial talks. We're we're in talks with Keon Coleman. For the tire leak. Keon Coleman. Yeah. He's on my team. Oh, oh, are they? You said you were in talks with Keon Coleman. I thought you said you were in talks with having Keon Coleman trading Keon Coleman so that we could draft. We're looking at Max Clare, the the the new Rams Titan. Oh, yeah, just because we're thin

outside and, you know, a Rams Titan will be. Yeah. You know, you'll be heard from. I'll be heard from. I'd like you to actually reach out to Keon Coleman and seek his permission to be traded. Okay, tweet out of Max. Let him know. Sure. I'll do that right now. Okay. Who's back the week? Hank. My who's back the week? I should probably just let Max take it based off our earlier discussion. Interesting. Oh, okay. Go ahead, Max.

“It's not that you're the guy. You have to see guy. Oh, you have to see.”

Connor McGregor. Yeah. Yeah, Connor McGregor. Dana Dana White is back right as Francis Nagano is is walking out for his fight and MVP. I think it's called, um, Dana White just drops

a great word. Yeah. I think that's close. It's close enough. You can cut him a

“Gregor's fight at all. Oh. Yeah. I'm going to watch. I think he's a heavy underdog. No, I don't”

write at this moment. I would imagine it's the old. You don't do roadwork and silk pajamas once he got very, very rich. It's probably harder to be like, hey, I want to go get my face bash to him. He should have actually gone to prison if you wanted to get better at fighting. He had many chances. I know. He should have told his lawyer like, hey, hey, I'm not going to fight, let this one through. Yeah. July 11th. I was wrong with July 14th. June 14th is the White House fight and that's

where I got. Yeah. You'll be there again. I will not be there. For Connor McGregor, like getting head from your wife on your mega yacht versus going and training to get your face mashed in. Yeah.

Tough one tough tough tough tough. It's tough to get a blow job on the mega yacht and say, you know,

I need to work harder for my life to get better. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. So he's back. So Hank, you're that's your who's back. That was my who's back. Also shams spoiling. Yeah. So he's a piece of shit. Yes. So he just, Amazon was ready to have a big ceremony tonight. And he had, like, waited, like, we're going to, you know, wait to the playoffs get going. Shops going to piss me off. Yeah. No. It's like, it's just a dick move. Yeah. The dick move. Why did he, did he say we did

out this morning that Shay was the MVP. And then it came out that, like, Amazon had been, Amazon and NBA had been intentionally, like, waiting to laying, playing on doing this whole ceremony

“before game seven and they just, what an asshole. They just tweeted out. What was that tweeted out?”

Why worked on that story for years. He just tweeted all out. Yeah. Yeah. Dick, like, what's shums tealed. Dude. I don't know. But I'm out on Amazon games. Why? They are harder to find at bars. Oh, because I brought this up the other week and you were like, well, all these bars they have to have Amazon packages. It's not the same. It's not. So I was in Virginia on Friday night. I was just trying to watch the game out. So I didn't have to stay in my hotel room. We're on the booth. We're on the

booth guys. You got to share with the class. Yeah, laughing. It was funny. Funny Blake Griffin quote, memes. What do you say? This is regarding the Shams situation. He just said it. He said, it's Sunday. Shams go to brunch. You've nerd. Yes. I love that. So that's the only good part by the Amazon. I like Blake Griffin. Yes. But yeah, I'm over Amazon, NBA. I'm out. You got to just watch it. Oh my, I, uh, but if you're in a hotel, you don't get Amazon on the TV. I was reduced to

watching on my phone the entire time. I had to watch a game on your phone for, and it was two games. I had to watch about six hours of NBA nonstop on my phone sideways. That's, that's a very hard thing to do. I feel like that. You got to get a medal for that. The, uh, on Friday night,

“I think everyone had plans. Oh, Hank was in maybe several, but I had resolve because you're”

still in town to watch the games and, uh, no pad. He brought the no pad. It was legit. He's taking notes. We're sitting outside. What? That's before. It's not a lot to take the starter. I was so about it. I was watching take notes. You have a note tap on your phone. Now, it's some about some about that yellow legal pad. It's easier plus it's you remember it more. A guy like we're still the blue light. He's trying to cut down on that. Yeah, that's true. He said, did the blue light is bad.

I used the other. You have it in the, in the, in the go yard. What? Did he pull it out of like, did you bring the go yard and then pull the, you know, he just had it in his hand. We were sitting up on, uh, my, my rooftop. And he was, he was just taking notes throughout the whole game. Roof on or off. Roof was closed. Roof was closed. The per, perugula is the word I found out is a word that people use that I didn't know. Perugula. Perugula. Perugula, perugula.

You're a, you're a something something I want to eat. You're combining it. You're combining it. It's a cheese. We're not that. No, it's a vegetable. It's a vegetable. I don't want to eat it. That rabbit's hate. And you're also mixing up with the bills. Oh, yeah. A rugula, perugula and perugula and perugula and perugula and perugula, perugula, but that's perugula. Perugula, perugula, perugula is the thing. It's the, it's a thing over my head. Did I have a remote and it just goes, Roof, Roof close. It's a little windy. You might actually,

I didn't want to see a little legal pad to, you might have an awning now that you mentioned it. No, I think it's a, I think this might be an awning. Perugula. I really do. How are perugula? What? Power perugula? So on and off. It's, it's got like the, it's got like slits that just go like that. So if I want the sun to come in. Oh, so much like a car air vent, you'll go. Yeah, but they're, yeah, there's a bunch of ones and they just go like that.

Appreciate, yeah. I actually haven't never opened it up. So I don't know if it opens.

I thought that was the whole genesis of this thing was you being like the, I took the, I took the roof off. That was taking the stuff off the, the couch. That was just taking the winter, the winter covers off the couch and the winter cover off the TV. That was me opening it and then everyone's like, "Oh, do you have a roof actual roof that you open?" And I was like, "Wait, I actually do,

but I've never opened it. It's a prugal." That was, I was maybe the worst two minutes of podcasting ever.

Go ahead PFT, your who's back. My who's back the week is El Nino. Because we have a potential super El Nino coming in. I don't know if you've seen the computer models, the projections of what this looks like. Um, just looks like a big vagina on the globe. Yep. Um, according to the model that I've seen, but then I did some research into it. And it seems like this might be the biggest El Nino that we've had since like the 1800s. Yeah. Since it was like a big thing in the world with that El Nino,

there are droughts and floods. It's going to be awesome for us. Yeah. There are famines. So the Midwest is drier warmer winter. I love that. Oh, in the winter. Okay. So it only, El Nino only really affects things in the winter anyway. Okay. I watched a video about it last night. Wetter volatility in California and Southern United States. It basically pushes all storms like south, drier warmer in the Midwest and East Coast. Would about like to Chilean fishermen that we were

“very concerned for the last time El Nino. Yeah. I didn't remember that. Yeah. I didn't that didn't get”

touched on the video. The video looked like it was a broadcaster out of LA. Okay. It's like yeah. And then the woman, he told, it was a meteorologist. He told the whole thing and the woman was like, so I don't have to buy a boat yet. He's like, not yet. I love that. That's very good. Yeah. I just remember the 101. The last time there was like a super El Nino coming. Everyone just kept talking

about Chilean fishermen. And then the other topic I remember is that 10 billion crabs

died off the coast of Alaska last time, which sounds like a fake number to me. Yeah. Like I don't want to get all Nick to counting. I don't want to get all Nick Fuentes, but like 10 billion. Did everyone count every single snow crab? I mean, that's a lot of crabs. It seems like a lot of snow crabs. That's a lot of crabs. Okay. My who's back the week is football because we have Bill Balachet coming up. And it's an awesome, awesome interview. Got an hour and 40. It was, we also have a vlog dropping

ones of log dropping. The vlog is dropping Tuesday. Okay. So this is where PFT got his injury. Yeah. We had a great time though. A UNC. So we went out, shout out by the way. We did season AWL's out in Chapel Hill. I don't, I feel like people were pretty cool about not spoil it. We did, we did play a game where at any time anyone asked us who we're interviewing. We had to say

“someone from UNC, but we couldn't repeat. So I think one guy came up to us and he was like, who”

you guys here for? I was like, James Worthy. And he was like, what? I don't like, yeah, we're interviewing James Worthy. Isn't that crazy? You guys came up. I was like, yeah, we're, we got an interview of the Eric Montros situation. It was like, oh, that's awesome. Yeah. But it was cool. Because we went, we got to watch practice. Hank and I got to call some defensive plays at the end of practice. It's a very end of practice. It's spring ball. They let us, you know, I, I think they, they made

it pretty easy for us because there was only like three options. It was one of the coolest one. It was one of the coolest things I've ever done. Because we, we had a moment where we had, like, we got like two stops in a row. And Bill Bellcheck looked back at us. It was like, good job, guys. And Jamie Collins, you guys are on their fucking ass. Yeah. Yeah. It was awesome. It was, it was unbelievable. But yeah, shout out, shout out, uh, my guy, Brandon, who I've known

for a long time, who was able to, you know, it's been a long time trying to get this interview done.

“And I'm sure there'll be a few people who will be like, hey, how did you not ask about Jordan?”

They didn't tell us we couldn't ask anything. We were like, hey, we want to have a good football interview with the best football coach of all time. We're not going to ask about his girlfriend and potentially we're on it. Yeah. I think I'll take that. I'll do that every single time to get the good interview. I think if that had happened, the interview probably would have been over at that point. And I did not want, like, we talked to Bill Bellcheck. They didn't tell us we were going

for about an hour, 40 minutes. Uh, and we probably could have talked to him for about three hours. We, there was so many, there was a moment you, you'll hear it in the interview. We're like, 20 minutes left. Where in my head I was like, wait, we haven't asked a single question about Tom Brady. You know, it's like, hey, Tom Brady, pretty good, right? And there, there is a moment in this interview coming up where, um, in the last three months of this podcast, I've cried from laughing

the first was with Jerry O'Connell when he was doing his genosmith impression. Uh, it wasn't

seven Sunday, seven Saturday heroes. Yeah. Uh, and then the second was when Zach was asking

was and how to actually help Zach out. Yeah. It was, it was so funny. Um, I hope you guys like it.

“But again, yeah, they didn't ask us to not bring anything up. But I do think that if we had it would”

just been like interview over. So if somebody were mad, I get it. Well, I still want to interview Jordan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want to keep that open. Yeah. I get it. I get it. If you wish that

we had asked that, but also at the same time, it's like, we were never going to. I don't get it because

I, you want like if we have a chance to interview Bill Bellcheck who knows more about football than pretty much anyone on earth, I'm going to ask our 45 minutes of football questions. I agree with that. I agree with the fact that when we started the podcast, there was a short list. There was a short list of five people who like dream interviews like he was top of list. And I've been, I've been working to try to get this interview done for a long time and it finally came together. So I wasn't

going to be like, Oh, you know what? We're going to, we're going to, we're going to hit him with the Jordan question two minutes in. You guys did talk a lot about Jordan last year. But I understand. But I understand why I do that. That's a true. No. No. No. No. No. But like, yeah, it's, it's not like whatever. It's understandable why you do it. We weren't the only. But I would Jordan voice as we are. We want to have. We want based on on the show. That's brought her up in the last year.

Well, she was in the news. We want her on the show. Yeah. So I think we, we did, and we

want, I mean, we've been doing this for 10 years now. Our rule is always when we have a guest on,

we want them to come on again, maybe not tack press got. But I think we did a good enough job that we'll have fun again. I really do. I think Billboard will come back on the show. I would love to talk to you again. Yeah. And yeah, I couldn't talk about about the injury over the last like three weeks. Hamstring just snapped clean off. Just watch, watch the, watch the vlog. Yeah. I don't, I don't need surgery. There's a moment where the doctor told me he thought

that I needed surgery on it. Thank God. I don't, and it's way better now. But yeah, I think you can hear it in the video too when it snaps off. Yeah. I will not ever make fun of somebody else

“for having a hamstring injury in my life. That's why I told PFT that I wanted to kick him in his”

leg after he got surgery. When he made fun of Joel and bead. Chat, don't you've been so funny that time? No, I was just giving context. No, I was just, I was giving a, you did an inside joke when you said that that only the room knew. I'm so excited. God, God, God, God. But yes, it was that is, you are going to kick PFT at some point in the back. No, I was not going to get surgery. Don't need surgery. Yeah. Healthy as a horse. I'm still retired from running. But I'm healthy as a horse.

Starting yoga. I'm developing an obsession with a nice. This week, uh, it marked clean off. No, no, the MRI just said torn hamstring, slight tear to the tendon. Don't have to get surgery on the toe. God, worry was that the hamstring tendon had snapped. Right. Because you couldn't feel it in the back of my leg because there was a bunch of swelling and shit from where the, the muscle itself had, had, had rolled. Yeah, we're old. I'm old. So it's great. That's why I'm retired from running.

And I'm going to go full time into yoga. Yeah. But enjoy the interview because I really do think it was a great interview. And I was like, it was one of those interviews where we were, you know,

“I think we agreed on like 45 minutes and it just kept going. And it was awesome. And we got”

a groove. And it was like, I don't want this to end. Zach, your who's back, um, my house,

whose back of the week is going to be a professional call duty because generally we had the third major of

the year today. Bush. Uh, in the Challenger's Division of, uh, the CDL or uh, in the Challenger's Division of Call duty, the Bush did take home the product. They shout out the book on the trophy. Big one for the Bush that's a, a camey capsule pro loop from the losers bracket. So it was tough to do. Yeah, knock down a loser bracket and seven game run to go grab the trophy as real hardware. Congrats to mook Jerry and sass in the boys. Bush. Definitely. And then, uh, you're, uh, you

guy, uh, Nate, drop your feet. Uh, at least he just won the, uh, the CDL. So they beat out optic for, uh, let's go. He's well. That's my guy. Nate chat. They got it done. Also any other who's backs? Uh, you know, we have some Zach stuff at the end of the show. So, uh, we got some good Zach stuff. Both the public's run and, uh, your, your trip solo trip to the club. I am glad everybody enjoyed the subs. Yeah. Yeah. We'll, we'll get into it. Um, all right. Let's get to the billbell check interview.

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interview for grit week. This first question is brought to you by Reese's coach. Thank you so much

by the way. There's been an incredible day, but we got to start it how we start every grit week

interview and ask you what does grit mean to you? Yeah. I'm not a big great guy. So I know definitely don't like grits for breakfast. That's not one of my things either. So

“well, like toughness, competitiveness. So that's grit. That's what I like. I like toughness”

competitiveness. That's a good answer. I also, so I was, I purchased your book as a little preview for, for this interview. So I wanted to, you know, get in the mind a bit about Belichick. And I noticed something right away. You've coached some unbelievable football teams. You've won eight Super Bowl, six to the head coach, two with the Giants. You say though the 1963 Navy football team is the best football team of all time. What is it about them? Well, I think they had the most

impact on me. I don't know it was the best team of all time. But as hell with team, it was a great group of players, but as great group of people. And so I learned so much from them, but leadership, team work, you know, good teammate, sacrifice, and, you know, stall back, Tom Lynch, you know, skip or Jim Campbell, Johnny Si, I mean those guys are, you know, I've been kind of adopted by that team, you know, I was 10 years old, but I just hung around and those guys are such great people,

great leaders. And it's such a great team, like the chemistry on that team is amazing.

Yeah, yeah. So a little bit about us, we're a, we're big full-back guys. We love full-backs, created an award for the nation's top collegiate full-back. It's called the low-man trophy. So we've put it out every single year, one of the favorite things that we do. And I'm curious from your perspective because you've coached a lot of full-backs. You've seen the game change over

“the years. What's your philosophy on using full-backs and also how to teach full-backs?”

Well, I get anything else, so you can get an advantage to do it. And so, when we felt like we'd geek in and advantage with a two-vex set of the full-backs, depending on who our full-back was, then we were trying to use that. And so certainly in, you know, goal-line choreyard situations, format, things like that. But we've had some really good full-backs, and, you know, James Devlin, Mark Edwards, you know, Yok, was, you know, did a nice job for us, and, you know, he'd go back to,

you know, Cleveland, Baltimore, I first came into the league. There was some, you know, good full-backs. Nobody liked Jim Brown. All right, but he was the best of all time, but, you know, it just gives you a chance to build another gap in the running game, as opposed to having two tight ends in 12-person all up online. When you have a full-back, you can go to either side and create that extra gap, and it gives you more flexibility in your blocking scheme. You know, coach ourselves is big on that,

“you know, with Maurice Carthon, and, you know, full-backs that he had, and so I certainly learned a lot”

from, you know, the way he employed him as well. Would you're looking at a full-back, or are you looking at a guy and saying, "Okay, this guy is very good at running directly into people," or is there, like, "Is there an art to blocking this shit out of people?" I guess is what I'm asking. You know, it's interesting. The full-back is really the run-in-back. He's the eyes for the run-in-back, so he has to see the same hole that the run-in-back sees. If he doesn't, then he just got a mess on your

hand, so that full-back needs to see where the run-in-back would enter, and that's where he needs to go, and then the box follows him. If the full-back makes bad decisions, then the tail-backs kind of stuck with, you know, a bad picture, and there's no word to run, so he actually has to be a very instinctive guy to be able to, you know, when kind of go around, when kind of go through, when do I have to take the guy, you know, it's not my guy, but he's more dangerous than me getting

to my guy, and all those decisions, it's, it gets dirty in front of you, and making those decisions have enough toughness, and especially into you guys that are coming up in a line of scrimmage, you know, guys like Ray Lewis, and, you know, Earl Lacker, and guys like that that are really

coming to attack those full-backs, you know, you need somebody that's strong, powerful, and

tough ready to go ahead to head, you know, we had a land of robbers sitting in a line-back, or in James Devlin, a full-back, you know, after about four plays in training camp, that we just said, that's it, no more lead plays, with you do guys, you're just going to kill each other. So, we know you're tough, we know you can block, we know you're going to take on the lead blocker. All right, let's, you know, let's try to stay healthy for the rest of the camp.

Yeah, there's just some, there's some train wrecks. Yeah, so I was able to, we were able to go watch practice, it was incredible to see it, you know, I don't know what, you know, people outside might be like, oh, well Coach Bellachak, he's not hands, you were in there, you were in there every single, you know, down, you guys were playing, last practice of spring, offense defense, what is it like, how much have you

for a specific type of guy that's different than what you're looking for in the pros, or is it just

football's football? Well, I try to do whatever I can to help improve the players and the team, so whatever that consists of, it's given them coaching points on the field, off the field, watching film, you know, talking about fundamentals, you know, how I can help them, you know,

“reach their goals, play better, and help our team reach its goals. That's what I do. It's fun,”

it's a lot more opportunity to coach really at this level than in the NFL, and I've thoroughly enjoyed it. I enjoy, you know, coaching all the groups in practice, you know, I can go yell at anybody, it's just fair games. Yeah. So you had coaching, you take out anybody you want. Yeah, what do I say a lot of fun? Yeah, I would imagine like being able to watch because, you know, once you're a pro, you're a pro, and yeah, obviously the coaching is very important, but in terms of like watching

a freshman and the leaps and bounds they can make, it's probably pretty cool to see guys come back,

you know, your second year and be like, oh, wow, they put on muscle, and they figured out the

game a little bit more and be able to see that growth probably had a more rapid rate than what happens in the pros. Absolutely. There's no question about that. They improve a lot, they improve very fast and really in a very short amount of time, sometimes, you know, three to six to nine months. It's almost like watching a different player. So that's very gratifying to see that type of improvement. They don't improve that fast in the NFL. They improve, but not at that rate. Yeah.

And so it's, you know, if the kid is open-minded, willing, we'll listen and then we'll really work at the skills that he needs to work on. Again, they can improve very quickly, both physically and from a fundamental technique standpoint. Yeah. And I might have read this situation incorrectly, but Hank and I were calling some plays on defense with your son, and you look back at us at one point. And I think the look was like, damn, you guys are calling some good

defense with that. Is that true? Is that was unfair look? Yeah, you made a couple good calls to

stop the offense and stop them cold. It felt good. Then we lost, but for a brief second there,

I think Hank and I both were like, I think we might just be on the UNC staff now. Like, this might just be our future. Yeah. Yeah, you guys are on a roll for sure. Yeah, but four or five calls on it just stuff the offense. Yeah. Like, you're in the hotel. You heard a play. Yeah. Just match.

“Yeah. When you talk about yelling at the different position groups, do you have to change how”

you yell at a kicker as opposed to like how you yell at a linebacker? How you yell at a safety? I don't yell. I just emphasize. You emphasize. I just emphasize. I just emphasize. Which position group is the most fun to emphasize points to? Honestly, I enjoy all of them. I really enjoy all of them. I love to get on the quarterbacks and the receivers, the skill players, and you know, necessarily defensive players, because you know, I like that defensive play style, special teams,

same thing, offensive line. You know, those guys need to be some of the toughest players on the team, and you know, it's good to get after them, see them respond to tight ends and offensive lines. Honestly, I enjoy all of it. Yeah. Yeah. I do enjoy coaching every position. They're all challenging. They're all different. That's the great thing about coaching special teams. You know, I start off as a special team's coach. You know, then the quarterbacks, you coach every position on the field.

And so it's, you know, the mentality of the defensive back, compared to all offensive linemen, or a linebacker, compared to a receiver is so different. The personalities are different. Regardless, each personality is different. And if every player I get that, but as positions, they're very, very different. And it's a great learning experience to understand how to handle different, different players that kind of look at the game differently. You know, toughness is a,

is a, it's an interesting thing in football. You know, you see guys on defense that are tough, they'll go run in there. They'll make these tough tackles. And then you look at a receiver who's going to go over the middle and catch a pass. And he's going to get cleaned out. He's going to get clobbered and he still hangs on the makes of catch. It's a different kind of toughness. It's a different kind of mental toughness, like a Julien Edelman toughness compared to Lawrence Taylor

toughness. They're both tough players, but in different ways. And so it's kind of interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So speaking of special teams, you're getting the opportunity to coach everybody. One of my favorite calls that you ever made was the dropkick, the Doug Flutey dropkick. And you know, that was a Chris Burman call. Okay. That's, I was going to ask you back. I got it. I got it. I give Chris Burman a credit on that one. He's wanted to tell me, hey,

you know, Flutey could dropkick. I'm like, no, not really. And he said, yeah, he, he absolutely,

“I've seen us on do it. I've been Canada and he could dropkick. What do you think about doing it?”

I said, all right. Let's see here. And so I go to Flutey and said, can you dropkick? He goes on it? Yeah. Sure. No problem. So he's dropped kicks a couple and said, all right. Well, the last game of the year, we put in the dropkick. So it was a different formation, right? There's no, you know, he's back there kicking him. We had an extra guy who actually split him out. Had that somebody go out there and cover him. So we, there's like four minutes left to go into the game.

We got the ball down. Like, maybe around 20 R line or so. And I look over to Doug and I said, Doug,

are you ready going to dropkick? And he's like, well, having warmed up. I mean, I haven't,

“I'm like, look, Doug, if you want to do it, then don't do it. Okay. But what do you”

only do? We're about to score a touchdown. You go in there and kick it. Oh, we'll kick the extra point. I mean, what do you want to do? I'm ready coach. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. Good answer. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, I, what do you, I'm giving you the opportunity to go right. I mean, this isn't like baseball or you got, you know, hey, it was warm up in the bullpen. We'll bring in after two or three more batters. I mean, we, if we score, kick it. Yeah.

So we sent him in. I said we score. We sent him in there. And he, and he kicked it. And it was it. It was the first one since the 1940s, 30 something I forget what it was now. But it was like, you know, 75 years or something. Yeah. It was a great hit. And I was going to ask you about that. Because I thought stupidly, I'll raise my hand. I got this one wrong. I thought maybe this one had embellished that story to us that he told you to call it, but credit to him. He knows ball.

He did. He, he, he, he, he turned me on to it. And I said, I mean, you know, I'm a football

“story. And I mean, you got a chance to drop kick it. You get an extra guy in protection, right?”

Yeah. So, you know, if the worry about, you know, one, we're got a block. And, you know,

that'll just pop that through. Yeah. That's incredible. I love it. I saw, I, so I have a coffee

company. And I saw a quote that broke my heart, but also was probably the coolest football guy quote of all time. You said, I don't drink coffee. I get all my energy from football. Is, do you actually not drink coffee? I can't stand coffee. Okay. I can't stand. I can't stand a look at coffee. I can't stand. I can't stand a coffee. I can't stand a coffee. I can't even coffee ice cream. And I can eat anything that's sugar. Yeah. The coffee ice cream, it's just I,

it's terrible. I hate it. So, yeah. So, so when they say, yeah, can you make coffee? No, I can't make coffee in order. I want coffee. You want to, you make it yourself. I'm not making coffee. I don't even know how to make it. So, if you, if you were like a shot of espresso, which you might not even know because you don't drink any coffee, like that's, you know, that's a lot of extra caffeine. What's the shot of espresso of football? Where you're like, I need some extra,

I need an extra kick of football. Do you put on film of something specific? Where you're like, this is where my energy comes from? Yeah, if you see something that looks good and if you're like, man, that's going to be a good player. You know, we do this. We can make a, make a play on this. So, you know, it's something that can stop something that they're doing. Yeah, that's an energy, that's an energizer for sure. So, like, you could be, you could be like drag and ask in the afternoon,

you're like, just give me a piece of tape. Let me watch it real quick. All right, I'm ready to go. Yeah, I mean, look, if I wanted, if I wanted energy, I'd go to my ceremony. Okay. I, you know, I'd hit that. But I wouldn't drink coffee if there was nothing else to drink it. Just, this is our break. Are you anti caffeine in general? No, I don't know. It's just coffee. It's just coffee.

“Here's a drum session. Yeah, you did with, like, an energy drink or any kind of tea?”

Yeah, no, I drink tea. You know, soda coax, whatever, but coffee, not a chance. Okay. All right, so pick one. I don't care how much milk you put in, I don't care how much sugar you put in, how much whipped cream. You can't, you can't bury that taste. Yeah, it's still, it's still, this is the lunch you're going to ever go through. Yeah. And, uh, you really hate coffee. This is, no, that's fascinating. Let me test you Rear right now, gun to your head, coffee, or the New York Jets.

Oh, go to the Jets. Oh, wow. That's made of it. Remember, undefeated, unscored on,

head coach of the New York Jets twice, never lost a game, never gave up a point. That's a great point.

Did you ever think, like, maybe I should have grabbed like an envelope or like a half torn sheet of paper to write my resignation letter on? Yeah, and retrospect, I don't think that was the greatest choice. Yeah, I don't know. It's a, got the message across. It certainly did, yeah, it did in a very, I don't know. It wasn't real. It wasn't the classiest thing I've ever done, I'll say that. Yeah. But I mean, I was in, I wasn't in a mood, I was in a mood at that time. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

it probably worked out for you though. Well, I mean, I had worked for Modell and the two trains that were coming down the tracks were Dolan and Woody Johnson. And I just felt like I'm don't feel comfortable working for whichever one of those guys ends up with the team. Nothing personal. I just, you know, I had a bad experience and I was either I'm going to work for a good owner or an owner that I felt comfortable with, it was shared a vision with, or I'm not working for

because, you know, knowing the teams moving, everyone's like basically out, fans are going after

“you guys and you have to coach football team. Oh, yeah, it was unprecedented. Yeah. I mean,”

you've never seen anything like it. The stadium was literally empty. There wasn't a one sign,

one billboard sign for anything. It was as barren as it could be. And then, of course, in the last game against Cincinnati, you know, we had to turn around three times because we couldn't get close enough of the dog bound because they were thrown, pelting us and they were taking those big seats in the steel seats and they were unscrewing them and toss them over the upper deck. I mean, it was, it was done with some violence there. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was terrible because the Cleveland

fans had lost their team and we were still there. Modell was gone. Of course, he never came back and, you know, you just kind of stuck there and, and everybody was, they weren't really upset at us because we didn't make the decision to move, but we represented what the Browns were and, you know,

I mean, that team, the town loves football. I mean, Northeastern Ohio, you know, western Pennsylvania.

I mean, that's just football as it gets. Yeah. They know football. They love football. And of course, they were devastated. And so, you know, we were the ones left to, you know, kind of feel their

“wrath, but honestly, we weren't happy about it either. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that was a bad position for”

you guys to be in. And we've noticed that, too, over the years, western Pennsylvania, eastern Ohio, Youngstown. There's something about that area that produces fantastic coaches to. And your experience, have you, have you noticed that? Like, there's a lot of guys that come out of that, you know, small area that end up becoming really, really successful football coaches. Right. Well, I mean, of course, my dad was some brothers, which is a suburb of Youngstown. So he was five miles

outside of Youngstown. There were several coaches there, Ron Lynn, Jerry Angelo, guys like that,

who, you know, he, he knew, he, he, he was a little old and they were, but, you know, they also came out of strudders. So yeah, I mean, that's football. I mean, that's his football as it gets. Yeah. It is. Yeah. I got a question about your dad, because did he have a photographic memory? You, you explaining what his job was, seems impossible that scouting advanced scouting a team with

“no tape, no replay. You just have to go and watch the one play and then you have to figure out exactly”

how they're blocking it, what they're running it, what, what their tendencies are. That's an insane, like, task to do and he was able to do it exceptionally well. What, like, did he have a photographic memory? Or was it just meticulous in knowing the game through and through? Well, I think what I saw was preparation. Yeah. So he knew what he was looking for, you know, here are the plays they run, you know, when this guy comes in the game,

you know, be ready for this, this guy comes in the game, be ready for that. Now, of course, that was back when most players went both ways, right, before they had even substitution, but regardless, and when he even sees sort of certain formations, you know, he could anticipate plays, but he trained his eyes well, you know, as soon as the linemen set for pass, he put his eyes down field, he saw the pattern, he saw the coverage, the line run

blocked, then he picked up the run blocking, not worked too much about it. The receivers were blocking, although that might come into, you know, the periphery later at the end of the play, but you got one look at it, you got one look at the kickoff return, you got one look at the kickoff coverage, you got one look at the pond return, and, you know, he would write fast, and, you know, then when there was a time out or at the end of the game, you know, he go back and,

you know, kind of clean up some of the notes and everything, but I mean, he, you know, he didn't miss a play, I mean, it didn't matter whether it was kickoff return or blitzes or play action passes, or whatever, like he could identify the play, and then when the film came in, which was usually late Sunday night, off of the Saturday college games, so usually he wouldn't get the film until late Sunday night, then to try to get that done for the coaching staff on Monday, then as I got

over, he would let me help him with it, so I would go through and, you know, he'd maybe take half of it, I'd take the other half of it, and I'd draw the formation, draw the play, you know, draw what I saw him do, then he would go back, look at a double-check it, but it was a lot faster, because a lot of the, you know, the legwork had been done, tight splits, or that was 83, 85, 85, whatever, and so that's kind of how I learned it, and then he would, you know, correct me,

like, you know, this isn't really what happened, he was supposed to block him, but he, you know, he screwed it up, and so, you know, this is what should happen on the play, I think, and so, you know, putting the game into the, into the film that came in was, you know, incredibly, you know, helpful, but he was also there, I mean, you know, he was an hour, or, you know, whatever, an hour, 10 minutes before the game, time in the snapper, time in the punters, hang times, you know,

seeing who handled, who had the puntered turners, who had the kickoffed turners, who's a long

so I mean, it was a full, it was a full evaluation of that team. He wasn't a personnel skydy,

“wasn't there a scout players, like, well, this guy's a good center, that's a good tight end,”

like, that's not what he really was doing. He was looking at what the team's plays and strategies were, and other things that you can, you know, pick up as well based on, you know, sometimes things on the sideline, you know, you see that had coach talking to, you know, maybe somebody on the fake punt, or, you know, stuff like that, I mean, there's a lot of little nuances that, you know, he really had an eye for, yeah, that I learned along the way. How old were you when you first,

was there a moment in your childhood where it started to click where you're like, okay, this is what I want to do, like, this is the, this is, this is it. Well, my dad was going every weekend,

right. He never stayed at the Navy Game, so it was gone every weekend. So if Navy was playing,

you know, Penn State next week, then he would go to State College or, or whoever they were playing, maybe they were playing, you know, BC, whoever it was, he would go to that game. So, you know, if I was good, you know, like, did my homework, and, you know, then I could go on a trip with him. And so we went to various trips, you know, to Penn State, to Army, to William and Mary, to Maryland, to Pittsburgh, to Virginia, you know, driving distance side things. And so,

when I would go, you know, with him, then I would sit next to him in the press box and watch him do it, you know, but it was great because I, you know, spent all the time with your dad and again, whether you're going to West Point or State College or Charlottesville or Williamsburg or wherever it was, you know, that was part of the trip to, you know, and we would look for, you know, you go to use bookstores, you know, and pick up some of the, you know, use books that he collected or, you know, stuff like that.

So, and then, you know, ride back with him, talk about the game and stuff. So, you know, I'm seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 feet, you know, and then eventually, you know, I went, you know, when I was in college,

after our season was over, I went with him to West Point, and that's when I first met coach for ourselves.

Oh, wow, sweet. So, that was when you were in college, you met coach for ourselves. Yes. And then, and then from there. So, coach for ourselves was the Vanderbilt. Yep. And they were playing Army. My dad had known coach for ourselves when coach for ourselves was at Army, right, with Coach K Hill in like 67, 89, somewhere in there. But then when Bill came back as a Vanderbilt coach with Coach Sloan, and they played Army. My dad was there scouting Army, and, you know,

“and then that was my first introduction to Bill. You know, we both kind of remember that like that's how”

we met with, you know, through my dad. So, I went to Coach Marchabrota with the, with the, with the colds. And who I knew a couple of people on his staff, Pete McCulley was a receiver coach, George B. Soles was a special team's coach, Frank Lawdiver, who's another Ohio guy that my dad knew was formerly a coach I was four, five people on his staff. And quite a developed offensive line coach, who worked in my dad's football camp. And so, you know, I said, I want you to go talk to them

and see, you know, what they have. Well, Coach Marchabrota had come over from the Red Skans, with Coach Allen. And Coach Allen had like 23 assistant coaches, right? I mean, he had like,

you know, with battalion. And at the, at the colds, who were they were incredible cheap.

So, they only had eight coaches and that was it. There's nobody else. And so, when I went to Coach Marchabrota, he said, well, yeah, we'd love to have you done. We can't pay you anything. We can't, you know,

“like we can't do anything for you. But if you want to come here and work, we got stuff for you”

that you could do. And like, yeah, that's all I want. I don't care about anything. Like, kind of stay in the dorm. And he said, yeah, you know, and he said, you know, after the, after we booked training camp, he got me a room with the Howard Johnson's by friendship at that time, friendship, Eric Orbs, BWI, because that's where he was staying because he came over from Washington, kept his house in false church. And so he was staying there. And so Ted waited to

develop towards himself and I all stayed in the Howard Johnson's right next to right next to the airport. And so, every morning, we would get up, have you coffee? They would. And Ted was very disciplined, honestly, for, I don't know, four or five months. Yeah, the same thing for breakfast, every single day. That mean, that said, you know, that's what, anyway, I was, I was like two eggs over median bacon, you know, just same thing. Yeah, same thing. Yeah, I mean, they didn't, you know,

assors order. Yeah. So every morning, I would drive them the other three coaches,

at the end of the night, I drove them home. So I was like another mini staff meeting. Ted and whitey would talk about their game plan on offense and asked George about the kicking game, what are we going to do about, you know, pondering, turn and get whatever. And so it was, and I was

working on defense with Maxi Bond. So it was, it was an incredible experience. And because Ted was so

understaffed, every time he needs something done, his ability, can you do this? Billy, can you do that? Do many of these stats on this? Can you look up this? Can you do that? Yeah, sure. I mean, what everyone want. So I actually got to do a lot, even though I wasn't qualified to do anything.

“Yeah, because just because I was available. And you know, somebody to do it, you have to”

get to every time. Yeah, every time you need somebody to do something. So about halfway through training camp, Joe Thomas comes over and says, you know, like Ted says you've really been doing a good job. I see working pretty hard out here on the field. You know, we're going to start paying you $25 a week. That's great. One of us making. So so 22 something after taxes. But I'll say it's probably that all I was worth. Yeah. So it's interesting. You've seen so much football. You've been

around so much football. So after that. Yeah. So then it's announced these, like the Colts. Okay, so the Colts were two and a half year before. Bird Jones come business quarterback. We're one and four. We went to the next nine games. We're 10 and four. When the AACs, and we lose to Pittsburgh in the playoff game. And kind of a heartbreaker were down by like four or five points and we're driving and we're on the like 10-yard line. Ham and her sister pass runs back 90 yards for a touchdown.

So we got beat. So now the season's over. And so Joe managed to take Thomas, you know, comes, goes to Ted and says, you know, Ted's like, why I like to keep this guy and I said, look,

“I mean, Ted, I like an all-place stay on the car. So, you know, can we do something there?”

Joe said, well, no, we, you know, once you come back for training camp next year. I was like, well, you know, it's six months away. I mean, I really, Ted's like, look, we got a lot of work to do. We got to break down film and this and that and everything else. Joe was like, air is not way like, you know, why not paying him? Stay paying me 25 a week. So, okay. So then Coach Fresano offered me a position and Detroit.

And then Coach Holts became head coach of the jet. And that was, I already got on to Detroit. Then Coach Holts got the jet job. I probably could have gone there with him, but I don't have gone to Detroit. And so, I mean, I could end up with Coach Holts then say for a full year with the jets. Yeah, the stuff that you're talking about with your dad, the things that he would log for each game and the things that he would pay attention to. Technology has changed so much about the game.

The game itself has changed a lot too. But out of what he taught you and what he actually did for his job. How much of that is still relevant to what you do in terms of coaching and advanced scouting today? Well, it's relevant. I mean, looking at advanced scouting, you get a film of the game, you know, five minutes after the game's over. So it's not that, but what is relevant is coaching, right? So like when you walk out there on the field and you watch the play,

I mean, you know, there's no scoreboard, there's no either in practice, right? I mean, there's no replays, there's no, like you have one chance to look at the play and tell a guy what he did wrong or, you know, and Coach. And so how do you see the play and how you're able to coach, you know, I would say multiple players. Like I think I can see, you know, and again, depending on what the play is, it's a pass, a lot of times, you know, I'll go down field and, you know, see the

route, the coverage, see that part of the play or so forth. But that's that is that's real football. And even though now, especially in college, where you can, you know, look at the iPad and run the

place back and all that, it wasn't always like that, you know, and there was days in the NFL when

you just had the Polaroid shots, which I would say one Polaroid shot could give you some information, but not not a ton, you know, and so you still had to see the game. And that was really what became valuable to me was, yeah, the scouting, that all got, as you said, out technology, but in the end, what was valuable was when you actually watched the game that you're coaching in, right, or practice

“that you're coaching, to be able to see what you need to see, to be able to help your team.”

And it makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Um, is there one or maybe two specific game plans that you look back on, you're like, that's like, when I think about what coaching and getting a team prepared

for, like, I really just did my job. Maybe it was a ram Super Bowl. Maybe it was a second ram Super

short. I'm trying 50 points. You, you had them in hell, uh, but is there, is there one that you

“look back on, you're like, that, that game plan, everything I did there, I just was so dialed in,”

and I had the team ready to go. Well, one of the, um, I mean, first of all, like, I don't think

game plans don't really win a lot of games. Players win them, you know, and when you're at the giants, your coaching lawns, Taylor and Harry Carson, Pepper Jones and Carl Banks and a lot of Marshall and all that, um, you know, I mean, you're coaching some really good players. The one of the most interesting games for me was when I got to Baltimore. The first project that Maxi Ballon may be due was to go back and look at the Rams who beat the red skins in 1974 and the

playoffs. And the Rams came out within a two tight-end offense in 12 personnel and it put the tight-ends on either side. And Washington's defense was all based on two backs in the back field, right, so strong side weeks. So four on three, three on two. There's a lot of different combinations, but that's, that's George Allen's defense, four on three, three on two. Well, when you put two tight-ends in the game, and the back can go either way, well, either side is the four on three

side or either side is the three on two side. And so if you're now three on three and four on two, you got problems. Yeah. And the Rams killed them. They killed them. So Maxi said, "I want you to break down that game because I know we're going to see this again because it

killed the red skins." So I broke it down. I go through and watch the whole game. We never saw

12 personnel, not one play, not one play. But then we get to Detroit and I'm coaching the tight-ends in Coach Charles Sanders, who's, you know, obviously Hall of Fame and all some play, and we draft David Hill. David Hill was a hell of a tight-end, a great player in his own right at Texas A&I. So we're sitting there with two tight-ends. We're one on four, Ken Ships, the offensive coordinator. We're sitting there, we're one on four, and we're playing the Patriots. And the Patriots have

beat the, beat the Raiders, like, 40 to 10. They beat somebody else, Miami, like 39 to 7. I mean, they had just steam rolled three teams on a really good teams. And we were, we're one,

“like I said one or four, I think it was. And so I said to Ken, I said, "What do you think”

about David Hill Charlie Sanders?" And he immediately caught on, it's like, "Oh, yeah, if they rotate this way, we go that way, if they rotate that way, we go this way." So we'd be in like 35 to 14.

I mean, we killed him. Well, from that point on, that formation has always been Detroit in the New

England, for a bit. So Fritz Schermer, Ronnie Hard, Bill Parsels, who went there in 1980, it's always been Detroit, Detroit formation. And we didn't have had a great year, but that particular game and the way that that unfolded kind of was kind of a, I got it from the Rams. Right. Okay, but it was kind of a front runner of the 12 personnel that has become pretty popular in a league. Even, you know, when Joe gives us one in Don Coriel, and those guys

are running all their one-back stuff out in San Diego. They were doing a little bit differently, but it was kind of the same idea. Yeah. And to be able to come out where the strong side is either side and defensively if you declare what your strong side is, then, you know, you got problems on the backside. Yeah. And so Charlie Sanders and David Hill, I mean, like, I mean, they're running, you know, seam routes and flag routes and wheels and everything on

linebackers. And, you know, I mean, they just couldn't cover them. Yeah, I mean, that's, that's it's a great game plan. You've had some great games as a coach. Can I give you maybe my, maybe your worst game plan of all time? Oh, well, there's plenty of those. Yeah. You might not have thought of this one for a while. Uh, the pro bull. Oh, yeah, that was, yeah, we're now 42 to 7 with 10 minutes ago in the second quarter. Yeah. Yeah. You really fucked that one up. I mean, it's impossible to

give up the 42 points in 20 minutes. How did that happen? Oh, we got strips act. We fumbled. Well,

“her fumbled and got stripped their ran-back for a touchdown. I think they returned an interception”

and then a fumble and maybe a month about a kicker turn in there somewhere. Yeah. Um, and we scored

But I'm looking up there. And it's 42 points. And we're not even halfway through the second quarter.

“Mm-hm. I'll take it myself. All right. Three times 42. That's 420 points. That's what we're going.”

Yeah. I mean, I, I don't want to say poor coaching, but I mean, you have, you look at the third one. And you can't help but notice that. And then I was bad. It was bad. Yeah. So then we get into that. It was going to half time. And, you know, an approval like nobody says anything, right? But I mean, I was pissed off. Like I said. And we're walking back out and like four or five

players are like, you know, because I've never heard anybody swear at a approval. I said, well,

the way you ask those a plan. Like honestly, like you deserve it. And it goes, yeah, I know we, we definitely deserve it. But like, you know, just never heard a coach get the upset about approval. This is, that was a bad bad. I mean, it's like, it was like 42 points. And it's 20 minutes. It was unbelievable. You couldn't, you couldn't score 42 points if each against air. Like it was no defense out there. You couldn't. I mean, it would take you more time than that.

Right. And then you guys got desperate. And you tried to run on a fake punt directly into Sean Taylor's face. Well, what was that play called about? Well, Mormon, who was really fast, right? Yeah. Mormon ran like about a four or five. And so he fake punt at us at Buffalo. Right. And there's like fourth and eight or whatever. And he ran and he got like 10 yards. And so that

“pissed me off and pissed off silly to special teams coach. And so we're like, what's guys really fast?”

A pro ball. You know, I was really expecting us to fake the punt. So like, you know, let's go and put it in.

You know, you go with a Mormon? Yeah. Yeah. Sure. He's good with it. We call it. And I've never seen

anybody get hit as hard as Sean Taylor hit him. I was just telling Jackie yesterday, his daughter, he goes to school here. We were talking about that play. And that was a total yard sale. His helmet, his ear pads, his chin straps, mouthpiece. I mean, he's over there by the team doctors. Yeah. He's like 10 yards out of bounds underneath the team doctors. Yeah. Dennis and everybody. Yeah. Yeah. I'm never seen anybody gets a hit so hard. Yeah. I'm like, Brad, I mean,

He finished the game. Yeah. He popped back up after that. He didn't pop back up. But he finished the game. Yeah. Is that is one of the hardest hits I have ever seen. Yeah. That was it. Oh, my God. Yeah. Probably my favorite player, Sean Taylor, I grew up a Redskins fan. So loved watching him play.

“Yeah. And then, but you had a great game plan that year against the Red. I think you guys scored like”

56 points or something like that. That was the big one. But Sean Taylor, he did take your punner out there one time. So we'll call it even. It's a problem. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you go to top 10 hits all the time, top 10 hits, that's got to be like, I mean, that's as hard a hit as you can find. Yeah. And he saw him coming to, you know, it's one thing like when the guy's coming over the middle, catch a pass and he can't see, you know, in the guy just annihilates him. Yeah. But

more men saw him coming. Yeah. And man, just show me that pun against you. Yeah. Yeah. That's the seed in your head. Like, yeah, that you you're learning. So I also you talk about that like

always learning and just constantly learning and football is something that you just always learn.

I also heard you say that Randy Moss taught you what real speed is. No, absolutely. It was it that different than everything else you had because you had coach a lot of football before Randy Moss went to the Patriots. And everybody like that, and never anybody like that. What exactly? I mean, we had Michael Jackson, Roger Carr, the Colt, but Randy, Randy is such a smart player. And look, I've never been fast. Okay. So I don't know what it's like to, if I'm running, they're

going to catch me. I'm not going to catch them. Yeah. Okay. So I don't know what it's like to be faster than everybody else. I don't know what it's like to be able to be even with somebody and to be able to run it by five yards with 20 or more yards to go. And so Randy, you know, he explained to me like how how he would use his speed and how he didn't feel like he was really able to do that at Minnesota and Oakland, you know, that it was like, well, you got to run a go

around where they're rolled into him in the safeties over the top. I'm like, yeah, we're not going to throw you the ball. And he said exactly, you know, they get pissed off because we're not running as fast as I can, but honestly, there's nowhere for me to go. And if they throw me the ball, it's just going to get intercepted. So I'll tie up both guys, but I mean, I can't, you know, and so I said, well, look, what if we do this, what if any goes, yes, that's what we need to do.

outside on the, then we gotta go inside. I can't just, you know, that's 25 yards on top of me.

“I can't run past them. This is no way. I said, yeah, I wouldn't expect you to do. So”

half of his touchdowns in 2007 came when he was in the slot or he was the outside receiver, but he motioned or lined up in a position that would have been where the slot receiver lined up. So if there was a middle field safety, he would run right at the middle field safety. If the guy overplayed him, he'd break back to the outside and if the guy played him high, then he crossed his face and go to the far pile on. The first quarter of the jet's game, he ran that pistol

round, touchdown against the jets, and, you know, just took off from there. And if it was half field safety, he'd run right at the half field safety. And those guys were scared to death. And a lot of times they were like 30 yards deep. And so he could just go wherever he wanted to go.

“They were so deep. It was like trying to cover Tyre kill some of the same issues we had with”

him where you line up so far on top of them that you give up so much space in front of them, that when he catches it, now you can't even tackle the damn guy. Right. So Randy 23 touchdowns, but he explained to me how, you know, how to use his speed. Like, here's how I can use my speed. Can I, what about on this route? Can I do this? I'm like explain that to him and he goes, well, if I see him there, I'm going to go here. I'm like, yeah, sure. And Brady, okay, who could process it and

embrace it and understand it, you know, made it work. And so they weren't, it wasn't like he was making a browse. It was like, I'm going to go here. And if there's space, I'm going into that space. And if there's no space, then I'm going into this space. Right. Okay. Make sense. And he could do it.

“Yeah. And there wasn't a deal where Tom was like, I thought it wasn't able to hear anyone there.”

I thought it was a go there. He went here. Like, when Randy made the decision, he always made the

right decision. Yeah. Yeah. And so like hearing that story, though, the, I would imagine when you traded for Randy Moss, you didn't expect to line him up on inside, you know, and have his touchdowns come from there. No, but as we started talking about it, and Randy's look on Randy's, there's I love Randy. But Randy's like, you know, when at Westard's in Twine, it looked Coach, I'm lying inside, now I can go deep by and run a two-hour crossing out of the middle. You throw it out to somebody else.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. I got it. No problem. But yeah, we know why I traded for Randy, you know, I talked to Coach Davis for like two months. And Michael Marty was there too. Michael was at the, at the, at the, at the Raiders and I talked to Mike, trying to trade for Randy, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. I took two months. I mean, it was like a glacier movement. And finally, there's a two-day draft. And Mr. Davis calls me up and says, I look,

you want to do his trade or not. I said, well, yeah, I mean, but do try and do it for two months. Like, yeah, I'm going to call feet now. Because, all right, we want your kick and fourth round from Moss. And that's it. And we had like the six pickups in the fourth round. It's two round or two

day draft. So, okay. So, I said, well, look, he's making $11 million a year. Like, I got to get a whole

Randy. We got to bring him in for a physical and we got it. We got to fix his contract because we don't have $11 million for the cap space to make the trade. Because, look, Bell said, that's your problem. If you want him, then you figure it out. All right. So it's like midnight. So I call up Randy. Get his number. Randy, Coach Bell check. What, who is this? Slamp's found out. Randy, who is this? Don't play no tricks on me. Who is this? Who's calling? I said,

this Coach Bell check for them. Randy, don't please don't hang up. Don't hang up. Listen to me. Listen to me. This Coach Bell check in pages. Please listen to me. Seriously? Why? Why would you call

me? So we just trade for you. What's tonight? I said, yeah, I know, look, here's what we got to do.

Like, we got to come in and we got to take a physical, we got to read your contract. Maybe that's that. It was by one. So the draft starts at noon tomorrow. There's like 1 a.m. Those, I'm not a club at Houston. Yeah. So well, what do you want me to do? Like, this is what we need to do to make this trade happen. Randy goes, I'll be there. I'll be there. All right. Things are fun. Next morning, he comes in a July stadium at like 7.30 a.m. I don't know. You know, got his plane, got his guy, got a car,

We're going to, you know, we're going to do that's contract. It was odd. I said, we'll look,

you're making a $11 million. And we can't afford pay that. What do you want it to be?

So well, how about three, and we'll do incentives to nine, it was fine. Call bus. Bus, cool. Call bus. Get it done. It's guys took an $8 million pay cut. Yeah. Bus could probably be like that. Okay. So sign a contract. Now he heard of nine million.

“Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know that about that. So, but that's how willing he was. Yeah. And so we got”

that done. It's noon. Call back yesterday was deals done. We got it. Okay. So they take our fourth roundtake. We got Randy. So now it's like, you know, 12, 30, 1 o'clock. We're going to middle with draft on Randy's like, where's my playbook? Like, we're trying to do this draft say, it was almost that playbook. Because this is now April. And we already started off season program. Now, granted, we weren't like, you know, all out balls for the wall, but we're doing our

pro, you know, we're in the office. He said, look, I need that playbook. Because when I go out there with Tom Brady and the rest of the offense, I'm going to go out there and make a bunch of mental errors. Like, I got to have this offense down cold. So you give it a playbook right now. I won't have it down by Monday morning when I go out there with team. What a godsend. Yeah.

“Some like that said, Josh, do we have a playbook? And he goes, well, you know, we haven't really”

run them off yet. I said, but Randy, what's playbook? Josh said, got it. Boom. So go, we'll give it a playbook. He goes out there Monday because I need no old signals. I can't have Tom Brady's signal and my dumb ass misses signal are going well. Because I'm not doing that. I want this and I'll have it down cold. And he did. He goes out there on, you know, he goes out there with Welker and, you know, we train for Welker too, right? That same year. He goes out there and let me never, never missed anything.

And then like I said, really help coach me to understand how to use this speed. Yeah, fourth round pick.

Always learning. Not bad. Not a bad trade. Randy was incredible. Yeah. He was incredible. Yeah.

I kind of a weird question for you about your tire. I know people talk about the sleeves a lot. I've always seen the sleeves as there's there's definitely some sort of utility behind the three quarter sleeve cutoff that I just don't know. There's got to be a purpose for it. A reason why you would cut those sleeves off. Short arms. You know, if I don't cut them off, then they're like hang over my wrist and they're in the way. And so I don't I got short arms. So I just cut them off.

You and Ruben Bane. Yeah. It's yeah. I feel like that was fucked up with him. I'm sorry about that. I shouldn't have said that. Oh, why? No, he just gave a look like you're going to

compare me to Ruben Bane. No, I always assumed that there was a really like some sort of pocket

access that I wasn't seeing. Like, because there's a reason for everything that you're doing this now. I'm not saying that they didn't high school. I'm, you know, like junior high high school. I'm always like, I mean, I've always cut them off. And it's just my arms are short. And if I get, you know, they're just too long. I hang over my wrist and my hands and I chart roll them off. And I fall down again. So there's just cut them off. Yeah. It's part of it. Yeah.

Oh, can I do my word question? Yeah. Yeah. I got I got also a weird question. You're obviously, you know, best head coach of all time should be in the Hall of Fame. We don't have to get into that. It's crazy. We thought it was crazy at the time. It's still as crazy. You're prepared better than anyone. You've won all these super bowls. But we have a theory, and you could tell me if this is way off. The one time that you are seen flustered or not prepared

is, and it maybe has only happened a few times in your career. The challenge flag when you know, there's really nothing to challenge and you're not going to win it, but you're just frustrated and you want like time to pause for a second. Yeah. I mean, like that was the man you have

“catching the giant Super Bowl. It was right from me. I saw his feet in. I'm like, well, you know what?”

I mean, it's a big play. Let me get that. Just, you know, and then you watch the replay and it's like, right, it is. Yes. So we're right. That there is every now and then. It's like, I just, I don't like how what has just transpired. Let me just pause for a second. Well, I mean, again, I was, I mean, like again, take a shot at it. I hope that maybe I didn't see something that was there. The the worst one was the was the Super Bowl against the Rams. And so, you know, we're playing in Mercedes

Bands, right? And so they have the big scoreboard over top of us, right? And so I tell the players

game. You're up there watching the game and, you know, watching a replay and whatever, I said,

“you keep your eyes on the field. So we're in a second quarter and we're, I mean, they haven't got”

maybe a first down and I'm much happy over. I know. And you throw a sideline route over in front of

their bench. And, you know, it's a close play, but it's on the other side of the field. And so I'm, and then, and then they kind of start to come the ball, right? And so, you know, I'm watching and like, all right, we'll, so they're going to, you know, officials call it a completion. So coming to the ball, it's like, we're going to call here, like, you know, what are they doing? They're going fast. So look, when a team goes fast, that's actually a good thing, because you can see a

formation there. Right? You don't have to guess. There's a three-ball one. It's a two-by-two. It's what, you know, you kind of look out there and say, all right, there's a formation. It's going to make

the call. And the players beside me are saying, like, he's out. He's out. He's out. He only got one

foot in. He only got one foot in. But I'm not going to look up at the screen because I've told these guys for like six days straight, do not sit there and watch the screen. Keep your eyes on the field, because that's where the action is. The screen is for the fans. And I'm like, coach, coach, do I want foot in? Oh, I want foot in. So just as the ball is about to be snap, like there's a brandable, he grabs me. I look up and I see he's got one foot in. And I'm like, oh, Christ.

And not a ball snap. Yeah. And it's too late. And they look at me like, great job, go ahead. You know, I said, don't do this. And I was too disciplined and I do it. And then it caught in everybody in the stadium saw that. Right, except for mine. And you were just like, I'm not

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massive Patriots fan. He actually went to jail for Tom Brady. He locked himself, handcuffed himself in the league office and spent a night in prison. Do it again. Yeah. So did that cross your desk? When when the Brady fork got locked up, did somebody come and tell you like, "Hey, just so you know, sir, there's four Patriots fans guys." That handcuffed himself to Roger Gidell's desk. Yeah, so was that one poor guy? Yeah, he was in jail. Oh no, Dave got dragged out

of Super Bowl. Yeah. But before that, he and Dave and Gazz and Fidelberg went to the league office

“and the pro testing and they went to jail for a night. Right. Yeah. I mean, I do remember that,”

but I mean, I wasn't, you know, kind of like, kind of like court and I'm getting dragged out. I was like,

Right. I mean, that's a steric. The dead legs. Yeah. I want to have dead legs. Yeah. Yeah. They're like skinny

“jeans. But I mean, I bet I mean, I didn't really get to engage or follow up. Yeah. I mean, I'm sorry.”

I do appreciate the support. Yeah, of course. And then, you know, when Matt Patricia Ward, the T-shirt with Gidell, that was another one that's like, I don't know if this is really going on like, appreciate it. It's a good T-shirt. Yeah. I'm sure it did. Yeah. I can't get a question. Yeah. I mean, obviously, I grew up in situate from 96 to 2016. You made me in like an entire generation of kids feel like winners because of your team. So thank you first of all. I appreciate

that. I really do. I really appreciate that. And those, those comments or stories from people who

say, you know, I went to the game with my dad or our family always watched the game. And those

are some of the best memories of my childhood or my relationship with my whoever, son, father, whatever, like those are such meaningful stories. I mean, I just want to say like seriously, that those hit home. Because when you're a coach, you don't like, you don't know. You're just trying to make a first down or stop one. And then you find out like, you had such an impact on somebody's life or relationship. You know, like, wow, you know, it's really, I'm, you know, I actually did

something good. I wasn't trying to do it, but I actually did something good. Be on good. Yeah. I mean, it drives these guys nuts because it's like, you're like, you're so cocky. You're so cocky.

And it's like, yeah, growing up rooting for a team that was just always like, we would joke.

It's like, you know, wave me up in the playoff star. Because we know we're going to be there.

“And that's all. That's why I'm going to say like, maybe it's not always a good thing.”

No, I like that. Say, you, you've spent your entire year like, play to play. Focusing like next play. Hank's like, yeah, I don't really care. So, yeah, building you, you, I think you preach it a lot. Like, you don't, you don't go into the mountain top in 15 minutes. Hank did. Yeah. You taught, you actually taught Hank to skip the process. But yes, thank you from bottom my heart. My question, though, I was watching an interview with

Matt Light on Julian Edelman's podcast and he was talking about, you know, practical jokes that he's played over the years and I was wondering if there was one. There was one in particular that like, might it piss you off in the moment, but like, when you get back to your office and, you know, doors closed, you're like, all right, that was, that was a good one. That was pretty funny. There was plenty of piss me off in the moment.

The worst one for me was Light had this remote control mouse. And so I'm standing up there talking to the team, kind of doing my rant or whatever. And I catch this out of the corner of my eye and I like see something move. And of course, they see me, but I don't know, right? And so I'm trying not to get distracted. And I'm going on and, you know, I kind of catch it again.

And it's now I'm distracted, right? But, you know, trying to stay with it, trying to be, you know, and then he runs the thing like right underneath my feet. Oh, I look, you know, so that of course, like they all go crazy. And I'm like, like, I know, you asshole. What? What? What? What? What happened? What did something wrong? You know, and there, I mean, they're how I'm like, he killed me. But, but my, I got even with these two guys.

Maybe not even. So it's like, oh, fought for maybe. And so, like goes out to Hawaii for the player's association meetings. I'm like Matt, if you guys want to really get something done for the player's association, I want you to go to Buffalo, okay? But no, you guys are going to go out to Hawaii, sit around, drink my ties, you know, and, you know, and call it business.

So he goes out there. And he says to the media,

“you know, all season programs are most important time of the year for us. It's where you bond with”

your teammates. It's where you, you know, you work hard to get you sweat in a weight room. You push each other. And if you have new guys on the team, you kind of get to know them. And this is so important. So Matt comes back. I'm like, Matt, like those comments are so,

this is. And I said, like, we got a problem here. We'll simultaneously, we'll not simultaneously,

“but at the same general time, we're in our off season program, right? And so we're working on”

past rush. And so I got Rosie Colvin. And so we're working on this past rush game, and like I'm the offensive one. And so Rosie, he likes, slaps me, and like the slap up or cut move. And I'm like, god damn, he breaks my rib. So I'm like, for two days, I, you know, I can't breathe. That's like as painful as hell. But I'm trying to like suck it up. And, you know, I'm not going to get in there and do this past thing anymore, right? So now I'm like, all right,

I've called it in light, went together, very pretty. They were happy to go.

It's ever, he's got their own locker and he got their picture of wife and her kids, you know,

“or bullshit. And so I said, look, I'm going to put you two assholes together in the same locker.”

Now they don't like each other. And now they got Rosie's wife with lights, kids in the same, everybody else got their own locker. The rookies, everybody. But these two guys are in the same locker. And I'm like, you can't do that. So we all do it. So every week, they come to me and they're like, now they, I mean, they hate this, like, they, they don't want to be that close to each other. I said, how much longer is this going to last? I said, I'll tell you how much longer it's going to last.

It's going to last until my rib feels better. And that's a long way off. So they're there for like six weeks in the same and in the rest of the team loved it. Like they loved

“it. You know, they're like, hey, Matt, you what? Oh, that's Rosie's wife. Oh, look, those kids are so cute.”

Rose, oh, those are Matt's kids. Oh, I'm sorry. So like we had our back and forth. I would say, like, got more in than I did. Although, you know, I could like say my stuff in the team meetings, all that and piss them off. But, you know, like the practical jokes he killed me. Yeah. It would kill Dante, too. He got Dante worse than he got me. Because it was the same type of thing. You know, he got some technology thing. Dante would, you know, we had the, the little mouse thing

where I need to go to the mouse and they would shock him like it was like a little shock. You're just obsessed with mouse brakes. Well, no, it was the, there was the computer one. Yes. And there's the other thing. He had a little attachment. He put on it work. He'd be like a little shock. Yeah. And, you know, Dante's and he picks a thing up. He turns when he throws it right up like because he knows what it is. You know, we ball then like, but, you know, light would just, light would just think of this stuff.

Like, I swear to God, he stayed up a night doing this. But on time, it'd best want to ever cut. The best one he ever got on Dante. So Dante, you could not get to the, you could not get to the state before Dante. It was impossible. I could get there like 4/3 in the morning. His trucks are

very partner. But you could not beat him there. So needless to say, Dante's truck was always in the

part of life. So we're, let's say, you know, which is like, you know, not a dump, but like it's bored of a little nowhere. Yeah. And so light takes like three bags of garbage and kind of like cuts him open and throws him in the back of Dante's truck at like 7 a.m. All the seagulls and all they come in and so light goes out there lunch and he looks out. It's like 50 seagulls and it's like, oh boy, this is working right. And so now Dante comes out at like 10 o'clock at night right at the end of

night and here's all this shit in the back of his truck. You know, Seagulls shit everywhere. Like the biggest mess you have ever seen. And we leave you know before Dante, like he'd go out there like, oh boy, I want to be here when Dante sees this one. Guess it's going to be bad. That was actually one of those one. I mean, but that's light. Yeah. I mean, he thinks up stuff like that. Oh man, and I mean, just destroyed Dante's truck. Just totally destroyed it. And he didn't do a damn thing.

He just sat inside and let the seagulls go. Yeah, all right, good job, Hank. There's one other guy

Woody. So, we did, Danny Woodhead. We got to make some money here. So Woody,

like, I was this close, this close, the caddy and for him in the US open. Right. He's trying to qualify again this week. Okay, but he was like, I don't know, real close. Whatever was he was really close. Yeah. And he said, hey, if I, if I qualify, would you caddy for me, with the US open? Yeah, sure. I mean, yeah, no problem. And so, you know, we lost the match. Like, I don't want up or something like that. And whatever it was, he didn't qualify. Yeah. But I was set the caddy for him in the US open.

If, you know, we've got to have that. I'm not that I could help them. Like, there's no chance I could help them like read a platter or anything. But there's going to be the one I want to do.

“Yeah. I mean, that's, I think that's the year that he came really close. He was going to be the”

Boston US open. And, uh, was it a country club? Yeah. Yeah, that's right. That makes sense. Yeah, we, so we were actually talking, he was looking for sponsors. We were going to put our podcast logo on his

ad, uh, but having you on his bag would have been incredible. And it does speak to like, people always say

what a, like a scrappy, uh, like, you know, really hard worker Danny is. I'm sure that's all very, very true. They sleep on how freakishly athletic of a guy Danny would head was as well. And I was curious because when you first picked him up, I think a lot of people thought it was more of gamesmanship to the jets. Like, okay, he's, he was just on their training camp roster. He's got some insight that he can give us, uh, to how they like to run their offense. Um, but I'm, I'm curious to know like, who, who decided

to bring him in? And then why did you decide to keep the crazy thing about what he is? I want to say we opened with the jets that year or I want to say we opened with him. Maybe it was a second game of the year. But, you know, when you open with a team in the NFL, you watch every preseason game.

You watch the first one, which nobody watches. But if you open with that team, you watch it. Like,

okay, let's see, what are the first plays they put in, you know, and who's this guy who's like, there's second string or third string tackle, but he ends up making their team. And yeah, if we got to play against this guy, you know, here's the deal on him. So we watch literally every play of the jets offense. And what is playing receiver? He's playing receiver. He's their slot receiver. And we're like, you know, this guy's not really a receiver, but he's good with

the ball on his hands. He's tough. He's not really that fluid as a receiver, but, you know, maybe as a subrunner back. And so we claimed him thinking that he might be able to return kicks. And I forget what happened, run back. We, we need to run back. And we need to kind of a third down

“back. But I think that was like, we had Maroni and some of those guys. Anyway, we end up getting them.”

And then he, you know, you play him and then you find out he's actually pretty good. You know, when you're watching practice, you're like, if not that fast, you know, and he's little, but he ducks under tacklers, and he's quick. And he's just kind of way to make yards. And so we put him in the game. He starts making yards. And, you know, Tom's like, well, let's get this guy in there. Like, we'll get them all like it'll make some yards.

But he was actually played receiver. I think he played run them back in college. Yeah, pretty good college. Hadron stayed, I think. Yeah. Okay. So, I think he played run back there. The Jess played him a slot receiver. And then we moved him back to run them back. But all the film we watched on them, he was, he was, I think, played receiver. Did he ever get into your doghouse? Do you have a doghouse? I mean, not for very long. Yeah, I'm sure he did it.

Some point must have fumble or Mr. Blitz picked up or something. But, yeah, I mean, look, you love guys like that because he's super competitive. He's a great kid. He's a team guy all the way. Do whatever you would ask him to do. I mean, you can't get pissed off at those guys for very long.

“No. And he's still trying to qualify. I think it's this week. Wow. He's playing in the,”

the sexual, so yeah, if he does make the U.S. open, is that, did he tell you like that offers on the table as long as you know, we really haven't talked. I don't think since that, that came up. Yeah. I mean, not out of like any hard feelings or anything. It just, I don't know. He's in your doghouse because he didn't make the U.S. Oh, no, that's not true. That's not true. I'll let him know. I'll text him right now and say, I'm not true.

Okay. I'll say, Coach, what he wants to capture. Yeah, what he was, you know, he was one of those many guys that we had that a lot of people look at it and say, you know, sky's really not that good. And, you know, Chris Hogan and all these guys and then all of a sudden, you know, they just keep making plays and producing and it's like, you know, you know what, he can actually play.

a full recruiting class. You get a full transfer of portal where you've been here. What are

you most proud of in terms of the guys you've brought in and what you expect from them this year? Well, what I expect is for for us and them to get better every day, you know, to get stronger, to get faster, to be more explosive, to be better fundamentally, to be, you know,

“better technique football players. That's what I expect from them and then, you know, as a team,”

but, you know, they're, we have a good group of kids. They work hard. They are, you know, they're pretty smart. I mean, they, you know, go to class. They do well academically. They, you know, they try to do what we ask them to do. And the group yesterday last year, I mean, I would say they were like disrespectful about it. It's not the right word, but

it was just different. It was like they were recruited by somebody else. They came here for

somebody else. You know, I was new. They were leaving. You know, it wasn't, I mean, it wasn't a bad relationship, but it wasn't a great one. It didn't have as much I would say. You know, it wasn't the same kind of adhesion that there is to guys that you bring in, that come there because of you, because they want to be with you and then, you know, you grow together. And I would imagine like the player development side of it is, is probably a very strong selling, you know, point to a lot of these

players that you're recruiting like, hey, I will, I will make you a better football player. Like I've read some stuff for you. I'm not a raw, raw guy. I'm not going to wop it up. I'm not going to give you some speech. It's going to have you run through brick. Well, I'm going to tell you how to get better day by day. Absolutely. And we'll deliver on that, you know, our strength programs good, our nutrition, our chef is good, like good food, good rest, good recovery, good training.

Physically, they'll be much better. And they already are much better. And then from a football standpoint, like our fundamentals and the techniques that we've used and coach the greatest players from the Tom Brady's, the Randy Mosses, the Dante High Towers, the Stefan Gilmour's, to Lee Pylau, Seymour. I mean, guys, they're in a Hall of Fame, guys, some of the greatest players ever. This is how we taught them. This is how they did it. And these are the plays that we're running.

We're running the same plays that they ran and watch them do it. Yeah. And so, and they're very receptive to that. You know, they're like, they're receptive. And I say, I appreciate it. I'm like, okay, you know, I'm learning from somebody who was really, really good at the skill, whether it's a guard, a tight end of, you know, quarterback, whatever, that, you know, we have great players literally at every position that can exemplify how to do certain skills.

Yeah, you've got to make a tight end. By the way, we saw, yeah, four shots in the practice. It's a good number for a tight end. Yes. Yeah. He's a beast. Yeah. I also saw your mantra, tough, smart, dependable. So great mantra, how do you like teach that day by day because I need help because at bar stool sports, I don't think we check any of those. No, we're tough. It's like,

“you know, we're weak. We're tough. We're dumb and we're flaky. That's what we got on our wall.”

So how like, you know, when it comes to like actually enacting that and telling people, this is not just, these aren't just words. These are what we actually need to do. How, how the hell do I do it? Like you're talking to a guy like Nikki Smokes and absolutely more on, you know, one of those guys that are a mince, you got, I got more on's that I got to teach him how to be tough smart and dependable. I can't do it. Well, I think tough starts with, you know,

being physically tough and being mentally tough. It's not, it's not going to be easy. It's not easy to want to football game. Nobody's given those away. Those aren't door prizes. You know, you got to go out and earn it. So there's a toughness that it's going to be necessary for you to win

and from mental toughness standpoint, like something's always going to go wrong. I mean,

kid comes here where he goes to the NFL. He's going to be an injury. He's going to have a professor doesn't like him or he's going to break up his girlfriend or it's going to be something. And what's your mental toughness? How do you work through that, you know, whatever it is? So that's the kind of the tough part. Smart. I mean, early starts would don't be yourself. You know,

“like, don't go out there and make mistakes that are, we control on a number of levels, right?”

Whether it's taken an illegal substance, whether it's academic could be an ineligible, whether it's, you know, doing something that causes you a problem on football field that you control, pre-snap penalties, post-whistle penalties, all those things like we, we have to control those and then dependable as, as consistency is earned in every day. And so we have to earn each other's trust daily. Yeah. And that's how you trust and, and, you know, have a big a good teammate is,

count on you and you can count on me because we've done a for each other, you know, on a regular basis, practices harder than the games. So our thing is, you know, if you can do it in practice and do a consistently in practice, we're going to make it harder than the game. You know, instead of 40

second clock, we have a 35 second clock, you know, instead of the drive-all, we have a wetball, instead of

no crowd noise, we have a lot of crowd noise. So you can't hear anything. It's so forth. Right. And we try to make it harder than what it's going to be in the game. So when the game comes, there's not, and what your volume is in practice, right? So if you run, you know, 4,000 yards in a game, then maybe you're on 45 to 5,000 yards in practice. Yeah. So we don't want to get into a game situation and feel like close really hard. I don't know if I could do this. No, we do it every

“day. Yeah. I'm sure. That's why at New England, the sign we had on the door about what are,”

what we try to do every day. And it's the same here because we're in the stadium. It doesn't matter whether you're in preseason camp, training camp, a preseason game, a regular season game in October, or the AFC championship. Like our goal for the day is the same. Yeah. Work hard. Okay,

attention to details. Put the team first. Right. Like those teams, those are our, that's our mantra.

And we do it every day. Yeah. And so we get into a big game, we get no champion, whatever, what's the same. And it's what we've been doing. We're not asking you to do, you know, to do some math done before. This is what we do. Yeah. I feel like that works on recruits too, because there's a lot of probably some recruiting that, you know, tells you what you want to hear and you're telling them, hey, no, it's going to be tough. But we're going to make you better.

Yeah. 100%. Yeah. We're, we're not on the hype. You know, we're not going to have like the dancing elephants and a trapeze act and everybody. Yeah. Yeah. You know, drive a mouser out here on the block.

And you know, we just don't do that. Like we, we tell our recruits, here's what we're going to do.

“Here's what we're going to deliver. And if that's what you want, we have it. If you're looking”

for some else, then, you know, just probably not the right place for you. I'm going to push back a little bit on the not a raw, raw guy, because you gave a great speech one time that I saw is that the Patriots Super Bowl victory parade. And there's massive crowd in front of you. And you got everybody started with a no-days off chant. And I think it was like on a Tuesday. So everyone that was at that rally, they were taking a day off. And they, but you're such a good coach that they all

started chanting. Yeah. He's right. No days off as they're taking a day off work. That was incredible. Just a great job of motivation in your part. Well, it's funny because the no-days off, honestly, like most people don't really understand what that means. Or what it meant to us, I should say, what it meant to us was when you come to work, you go to work. You don't come to work and dilly dally around. And like I was here. I broke a sweat. I showed up and go home. That's a day off.

When we said no days off, we meant, you come to work. You're ready to work. You're prepared. You put in a good days work. Okay. Maybe tomorrow's an off day. That's okay for a cover to it. That's fine. That's saying like don't take a day off. We're saying don't come to stadium and take a day off. Yeah. And so the no-days off was when you come in here, man, we expect your best and we expect you to work at it. When we're done, we're done. And you know, you're with your family or

you know, whatever you're doing, sure there's days off. But don't take them here. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, that's the, you know, Brady and Edelman, high tower. And those David Andrews and those guys are like don't come in here in school around like we're not here to

“school around. We're here to win. Yeah. And if that's what, and if you don't put enough into it,”

then we're, you know, we're pissed off at you. Like we're not going to accept that. Yeah. And that's really the no-days off. Yeah. And so if a guy was kind of, you know, if he would like jump off side or do something, you know, dumb, then they would kind of get on him and be like, it's just coming here and fool around and take a day off. Like just don't even come here then. Like if you don't care enough, then just don't show up because we can't trust you. Yeah.

And that was kind of the connotation, but of course, you know, in the hype train of the patriots, you know, I'm sure it's sold towels and some, you know, beer mugs or whatever. And it was used

their hardest. So they were not taking a day off. That's true. And everything's important

“in contrast. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, that's not what it was. Yeah. But if that's what they wanted to be,”

like, that's fine. It was just, it was a kind of a marketing thing where it's like, do your job, no-days off, stuff like that, turned into marketing hype. Yeah. More than it was getting away from the meeting in the court. Yeah. It wasn't really what it was intended. And we kind of laughed about it. It was like, they don't know what it means. But if they want to talk about no-days off or do your job or whatever, like, that's fine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to ask you about

about coaching here at UNC and connecting with, you know, a much younger players than you've been used to connecting with over the course of your career as a coach. And curious to know, like, is there are you aware of the fact that you're, you're, you're Bill Belichick, right? And so you're coming into a place like UNC and a lot of the kids that are playing football for you, they look at you as being like a legend of the game. Is there anything that you've done to try to like make yourself

more approachable? Because I can see myself, I mean, obviously I can't see myself being like an 18-year-old five star football group because I'm five foot eight and I suck. But if I, if I, if I was, if I was good, I can see myself being like a little intimidated to go talk to you about something. If it's an issue I'm having or like, hey, I think we could be doing even something better. Is that something that you think about? Like, hey, these kids might have like a block and communicated with me at times,

and I need to be proactive in overcoming that. Yeah, you know, I think a very some kitty kid. I mean, again, you know, it's really about building relationships and building trust. I think if they think you're helping them, then they're going to be receptive if they don't think you're helping. My experience has been, you know, probably not turning off. So I try to, you know, help everybody. No, sometimes it's maybe not in the most comforting way, but if they're actually committed to

reaching their goals and dreams of playing professional football, being a really good player,

“then that's what I'm, that's the spirit that I'm saying it in. It's not personal. It's just,”

you know, if you want to be good, here's what you need to do. You can keep doing it this way. It's

not going to work. It's no good. Don't take my word for it. You watch a bunch of other people do it this way. It's not going to work for them either. If you, here's the way you need to do it. And so why don't you commit to doing it that way? If in the end, they don't want to do that. Then, I mean, you know, I've done kind of all I can do. Yeah. But that's, it's rare. Most of them, they really, they really do want to. Now, some don't have enough staying power. And they, like,

well, they do. And then they kind of drift off. And then they come back again on the guys who are more, but we had those guys, the NFL too. I mean, trust me, everybody in NFL is not, you know, Tom Brady and Julian Edelman, Dr. High Tower and Deb McCordy, like, far from it. Yeah. Maybe we had more than most, but they're not all like that. Yeah. Oh, I root for the red skin. So yeah, there's, I know what you're talking about. Yeah. Was there, was there a moment? And this has been so much

from, honestly, we could do this for the next five hours. I don't want to take all your time. So I really, really, really appreciate this. There's so much football history. We just love football. Um, so we'll wrap it up very soon. Was there a moment, though, early in Tom Brady's career, where you're like, okay, this is different. This is, this is different than what I expect. Like, he is going, he's on a trajectory to something different than what I might have expected when we

drafted him. Again, if you, if you spend time around Tom, you, you understand how, totally committed he is and how he just day by day takes incredibly small steps

that eventually, but never backwards, that eventually lead to a very high performance.

And I mean, really, he was our fourth string quarterback. Like, you can't name another fourth string quarterback. I would say in any level, football, college or pro. I mean, honestly, I mean,

“there, there isn't one. Very few. So that's how far down he was. I mean, you couldn't get”

any further in the bench than he was. He was a fourth string. Don't even play and read dressed. And then I brought a Damon humor because I didn't think he was good enough to be the back of maybe he or her out. And then let's so got hurt. And then he didn't lose games. He didn't win many, but he didn't lose them. And we want him on defense. We want him in the kicking game with Troy Brown's plundering turn and the blockfield goals and so forth. And then he kept

because of Tom Brady, but every week, he was the focal point of our opponents.

“We got to stop Tom Brady. And what's our game plan to stop Tom Brady? And that's the real”

greatness is when they're doing something to stop you every single week. And there's a target on

your back, and you're still producing it all alone. Yeah. But I always say Tom wasn't great.

Wasn't even really good. But he became great. Broncowski, same thing. Rob wasn't great. He wasn't even really good. But he became great. Julian Elman. I mean, for five years, I mean, do anything. He returned Ponce. It was a very good Ponce return. But he wasn't great. He wasn't even good. But he even played. And then he became great. And so that process of day by day, by day, by day,

after a month, after a year, after a year. Okay. Now you finally. And it's very gradual. But it's consistent. It doesn't, you know, jerk up and down. It's just, hey, things he couldn't do now. He's starting to do him now. He's starting to do him pretty good. Now he's actually starting to do some things at a level that, you know, what, he wasn't able to do before.

“And that's what makes Tom Brady great. The biggest thing about Tom and, you know, I told him”

this all the time and he took it to heart. I'm like, Tom, we can't gain any yards until you give the ball to somebody else. You're not gaining them. You got to get the ball to somebody else for us to gain yards, hand it to them, throw it to them, pitch it to them. But as long as you have the ball, we ain't going anywhere. He's like, you don't tell me that. So get the, and so that's what he did. How do I get the ball to join in him? And so it can run with it. How do I get the ball to Rob?

Where he can catch it. Where the guy who's even with the guys has draped all over him. Rob can catch it. Yeah, the guy can't. How do I get Danny Woodhead product? How do I make Kevin Falk product? How do I make James White product? How do I make? And he's kind of like a point guard. Like he could

“distribute the ball with great accuracy and decision making. And through all those years of Brady,”

we were the least penalized team. We had the fewest negative runs. We had the fewest sacks. We had the

fewest turnovers. He never killed the team with those plays. We didn't go backwards. He throw a

quick pass out for our yard and it's second and nine. At least it was the second and 13. And if we, you know, he got rid of the ball so quickly it didn't get sat. And we didn't have dumb fall star penalties and shit like that because of sloppy play. Like he would make sure that, you know, the play was run right or we were set or we, you know, two guys are motion. Hold stop. Well, okay, now you go and motion. Things like that. I mean, there's such little things. But when you

listen to him broadcast the game, you'll hear him say over and over. We're going backwards too much. It just seems that they need to go. They're losing too many yards. And that was it. We didn't lose yards. And he didn't ever put the team in a bad situation. Every play wasn't an 80 yards. We are touched down. But he didn't put the team in a bad situation. And he got rid of the ball so that somebody else could gain yours because God knows he wasn't gain in them. That's, by the

way, you're, you're not even good to, to great. That's, that's the recruiting pitch that, you know, anyone who's coming to UNC like that's, that's it right there. Like, hey, you, you might not be very good right now. But we can day by day get you to great one hundred percent. But that's the way it wasn't in England. These guys will come in in England and they look at Tom Brady and like, oh my god, look at Dev McCory and then, oh my god, look at Edelman and like, oh my god,

Grand Calculate. Oh my god, nothing myself. You don't know that these guys weren't any good. They're just like you, like you're no good either. But you can become great. But, you know, just where you're going to have to do. And it's going to be a process. It's not going to happen overnight. It didn't happen overnight for Rob, didn't happen for Julian. Where he'd done McCory played corner and then he ended up playing his whole career at safety. And, you know, 12 time captain. I mean,

I'm, you know, I'm just Steven Neil never in play football. You know, three Super Bowl started

for eight years, never in play football. So he was no good. Tell about no good. He was terrible.

And they think that Rob Brown County was always great. Far from it. It was the point where

Brady and I set him down. So Rob, like, we can't put you in a game. You're too underpendable. You run the wrong route. You fumble ball. You know, you just, you make too many mistakes. We can't play you. Okay. What do I need to do? Okay. And then he became great, where he was, you know, as defendants, any player we had never fumbled. Always did the right thing. It was a great teammate. It was a good block or understood by blocking. It created

play action opportunities for him that wouldn't have been there if he didn't block. And so forth. I mean, but, you know, it was such a process. And those guys all bought into it. And they

“deserve the credit for it. And that's what we're selling with our guys. Absolutely. We're selling”

something with our guys. Yeah. Yeah. But people think that when you look at Brady, you think, you know, in 2016, 17, 18, and rookie's come on and team. And I was like, oh my god, this guy is so great. Yes. But he wasn't. He was, you're actually further ahead than he was at the start. That's how bad he was. But they realized that, you know, they're like, oh man,

I'll never be that good. Well, you could be if you do a McCordy and Chong and you guys like that,

that even players like that nobody wanted like J.C. Jackson and Malcolm Butler, Rob Ninkovish, Rob Ninkovish was a backup snapper. We signed it because we needed a backup snapper because those snapper got hurt. We had no intention of keeping them as a snapper because once I got a selfie, we didn't make Rob. And Rob comes in there and, you know, first day of practice, it's like he knew light. So yeah. Hey, you mind if I do a couple of past rushes.

Wow, they're like a long snapper. That's Matt Lighter starting up to, yeah, go ahead, take one. Walks right by it. Don't take those crazy. White. It's a long snapper. Can't block this long snapper. Get back in here. Don't push it down again. And of course, light. I mean, you don't have to take it some heat now. Like, you run by a long snapper. Yeah. But Ninkovish had played against them that Purdue, with them not against them with them

Purdue. And, you know, we kind of like, yeah, I know how to rush this guy. Yeah. And then all of something to say, well, Rob wasn't a great player either. But he had ten sacks a year for five years in a row. Yeah. But I just do one things right. And, you know, being disciplined and like all of the things that he did. I mean, it's just like he's not Lawrence Taylor. I'm just telling you. Yeah. But ten sacks a year for five years. I mean, you know, it's pretty damn good. Yeah.

Do you think maybe light laden beat him a couple times? No. No. Like, he's like, hey, man, I really need this job. No. No. Yeah. No, light. I mean, I mean, Matt is so competitive.

“Matt's such a tough kid. Would you say that that Rob is the most improved player that you've coached?”

No, Steve, no. Steve, you never played football. Yeah.

Steve Neil didn't even know where the huddle was. Steve didn't know where to go at the end of the play. Like, we're, we're going to go back here with these guys that tell you what to do. All right. Yeah. You probably had to be really patient with him then. Like, you saw something in a Steve. Yeah. He's six five. He's 295 pounds. He's a championship wrestler. They ran 49. He's tough. I mean, this guy is all day tough. Like, a lot of wrestlers are all day tough.

You could not wear Steve Neil down. He was all day tough. Tough as they come. Yeah. All right. Well, this has been awesome. I've won last question. We'll finish with something a little lighter because this has been so much fun. Robac question, RHO, BACK, dot com, promo code take 20% off your first purchase, Cusives, Polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, Robac dot com, promo code take. So, yeah. I'm honest, like, I hopefully we can do this again

“because we could, honestly, like, I got to like maybe 10% of my questions. But I thought we'd end”

with something like in because you are such a great coach. And we, you know, in doing this podcast for the last 10 years, we have guys that we, we don't coach him, but they become part of the program. And maybe they slip up and we got to figure out how to motivate them. So, what would you do for

Zach, why don't you come over here? Come talk to coach Zach. Yeah, come talk to coach. Come

“talk to coach and tell him maybe what the issue is and then we can maybe get to the bottom of it”

and figure this out. So yeah, to put this in NFL terms, like, what would Zach would be like a first

round pick? Zach is Zach would be the definition. He's been with us for a year now. And when he, we got him, he wasn't, he wasn't good. He was bad. He was bad. But he's become great. Okay. But he's got an issue with sleeping in. So Zach, you want to explain to him? And Zach is great now. How are we doing today? Coach, how are you? Oh, great. I'm awesome. I, I love to hear that. And I can congratulations on your essentially two greatness. I just appreciate being a part of the

program coach. I thank you for your time today. I, uh, there has been some instances where we had a scheduled things to take care of and I wasn't there. And I, I should have been there and I wasn't there and I overslept. And I've been working on it. I've been trying to work on it and, and I do my best to make sure it doesn't happen again. I just want to, I get, I guess if you have any advice for, for some body who could, about overcoming objections of time and when you're asleep.

Good question, Zach. Right. Can I, can I answer frankly? I certainly answer. Well, do you care? I, yes, sir, which, yes, so you care? Yes, sir. Okay. Do you want to learn clock? I do, yes, sir. Well, that I would get two more. Okay. Well, do, I can do that. What does that mean? You set one alarm for 655, one for seven, one for 705. And

if you don't hear the first one, the second one goes off and third one, like I would invest

in an alarm, alarm clock or watch or whatever, and get it back up. So you don't, obviously. Back up. How many do you have? I do currently have three. Any skills to leave for them? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I, I, I, I really, I know, it's pathetic. I know,

“but I haven't, I haven't been making a, I mean, yes one that's called the bomb alarm. That's how”

loud the alarm is. Coach, he's, he's probably going to get evicted because his alarm is too loud. His, he's totally, he's complaining to me. Okay. Well, I mean, that, okay. So we need to find another solution. Yeah. Okay. Well, well, let's say talk to somebody who knows more about sleep than I do. And see if there's, I mean, look, obviously you, you're a hard sleeper. I mean, you start to wake it come through and you, you sleep through it. Yes, sir. Yeah, we've all had

those days. So do you have a sleep like happening or a sleep issue? I don't believe so. Maybe I may, maybe I do that. Maybe I check out with a sleep doc that might be great. Fantastic advice. Coach, I appreciate that very much. No, look, there's got to be a solution to it. I mean, the other thing I would say is, do you live with anybody or is there somebody that is on a similar schedule that you are? Not, not currently solo in the apartment.

Yeah, but so if somebody called you with that wake you up, phone call, I've, I've been doing that with my, I've been with him. I'm so sorry for starting out my words. User better vocalization out of me. You won't happen again. I do want to apologize for that. Oh, yes. I've been, I've been located a phone call set up. If phone calls have been working out, let's go with it. I've been casual. My family are in the morning. My dad's been calling me.

Shot. So that's where he calls another option is to get somebody else to assist you with, you know, if, if that wakes you up. Thank you for the advice coach. That was great. Coach, thank you. We can't thank you enough. This was an interview we wanted to do for very long time. We love football. We loved being here. We saw, you know, the, the, the practice was awesome, seeing you in the

mix. And incredible things you got going on here at North Carolina. So thank you very, very much.

“And best of luck this year. And hopefully we can do it again, because like I said, I think I have like”

90% of my question. She's still there. Yeah, we, we throw it out out after the first 15 minutes. Yeah. All right. Appreciate you guys being here. Appreciate you calling some good defenses for us today. Yep. All right. That was awesome. And, uh, there's a lot of funds in there and chopping it up with you. So thank you. All right. Thanks, Coach. Thanks so much. Appreciate it. Melitech was brought to you by twisted T. Summers right around the corner.

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You also had a couple moments this week. The pub sub. We're in your home state, Florida. Yes, sir. You went. You gave us a questionnaire. I said, I don't want to tell you my order. I want

you to decide what pub sub matches us. So you gave us like a Buzzfeed questionnaire and then

got us pub subs. You crushed it. What is it about Florida that everyone likes to get their subs from a grocery store? So part of it, maybe accessibility, just because like it's closest familiar, but also it's so friendly when you go online at publicspicat. Everybody's smiling and having a great time. They don't rush you through the options. There's some sub change that kind of push you through. You know, they let you take your time with the publics. Yeah. Yeah. So that's one of the questions

that you sent us. So maybe we can walk us through some of these. How much range of motion do you typically like to have after meal? I think I get, I understand that one,

“but you relied on that one pretty heavily. I think. Yeah, I thought that was important to”

understand how heavy of a sandwich you wanted to. That really was, was that, tell me if I'm wrong. That question was essentially, do you want the chicken tender sub or not? That's what that question

was. Yeah, because chicken tender sub was incredible. It's good, but it's heavy. It's very heavy.

In hindsight, how many, how many good subs do they have there? I think they were really strong top five, but also like it was new. But you were the top five and then you were like backtracking list questions. Yes, Max. I really like this. I think we do it again tomorrow on the drive. What if you do? Oh, so we're stopping. Whoa, whoa, Max. That's a stop dude. What if you do walla hogees for everyone for the next stop? We're not in Philadelphia, Max.

They have wawas all throughout the drive from here to our next stop. I feel like we're already mapped it out. Well, I was, I was looking for wawas. We're long way from home, Max. Okay, do you, or do you, so is a, is a, you look like the wawa. The wawas hinges sandwiches are good, but we just said the bar so high. Right. So the public is so good. It's like, I don't like to order seafood if I'm in grocery store, so one thing, you know, fucking gas station from a Philadelphia

gas station, right? Well, here's the things. You don't want them. Don't want them. Hold on. Here's the things, the beauty of this drive tomorrow. It's so long. We're going to have to have two different meals. So we could do both. You do a publics and a wawa. Well, what if we already did public? We're about

“wawful house. I think it's wawas and wawas. Yeah. But then we got to sit down. Now we're really stopping.”

Now we're not going to get there. But not for very long with a lot of topics. There's no services. There's something. Yeah. Taco Bell. Okay. Well, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll think about either way, pop, the pump subs are good. Cool. Did you get 10? Well, hey, here's the problem with Taco Bell. I love Taco Bell. You love Taco Bell. Every time we get Taco Bell, 10 minutes after you get Taco Bell, you're like, I need an emergency bathroom stop. Yeah. Right. So that's, yeah, or an app. Right.

So we could do it. I'm napping either way. We can do it. But I like, we know, we can do it. I've been thinking like, what if we, should we do? I think we should bring enough water bottles that like, no stops, no stops until the gases. So we need to get gas. No pissed off. See, there's the thing about wawas as you can do both. That's true. No pissed stops. I'm down, I'm down a piss. No pissed stops. I mean, because the van doesn't go that fast. We forgot about that part, too.

Zach, this was another good question that you had on the list, which is when shopping, if you're everyday life, do you, do you find yourself in more yellow or white cheese situations? So you admit that cheese is yellow. So that was more so there's, I know there's an argument on which color cheese could be, but if, when it comes to your everyday life, I would just, the question is more so asking like, which one you encounter the most in your meals? I was thinking,

like, what do you see while you're eating, just to kind of get an idea of what, visually, what do you usually see on your sandwich? I like that, that's that instead of saying like, what do you like better? He's like, which one do you find yourself around more? You're like, what do you, because I couldn't ask like, same much specific questions. Yeah, I was trying to go off, eyeball tests from your meal. It's a good question. Zach actually apologized to me the other

day about he said, Max, I, I, I would like to make an apology to you, sir, and I was like,

They were, yeah. The pizza, the jalapeno popper filling, the moch sticks. What, what was his meal? It was, the pizza spot. It's a lot of moths. Wait, how many moths do you eat? Just a pizza, which has the white cheese, the moths sticks out of the white cheese, and the jalapeno popper's had the white cheese, and it just kind of, a bell went off and I was like, I don't imagine. What else did you have? These are five white cheeses? I made it. Oh, exactly. Well, that was, that was,

that was, three, but it was across every item, so it's like, I owe him an apology. Yeah, cheese cake. That's a great one. Great point. That's the white cheese. Max makes a lot of good points. All right. So we'll do, I would like to get another pub sub. I like that you can tend to sub. It is very good. It can do it a whole pub sub guy. You can do him hot and cold. You know, they kind of, it's versatile.

“Yeah. I got another question about these questions that you sent us. You sure?”

This one says in, in the early 2000s, movie holes starring Charlotte Buff spelled S-H-I-L-A first name, and then last name B-U-F-F, Shadow of Buff, tricky name. I definitely didn't go burst to get correct on the spelling, but we knew kind of who we were talking about. Did you know who we were talking about? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's not my question. No, I know. Let me finish my question. It's a little insulting. It was a really good question.

It was a really good question. It was a really good question. I understand. I was reading it for accuracy. This whole couch. Okay. I know, well, like, it's phonetics. This is, I get it.

I get it. We're talking about phonetics. Never got the hooked on phonics. Yeah. Well, I can't

believe that you just corrected Hank, everyone knew what he was talking about. What he said, hooked on phonetics, and then he had to correct him like that side. Oh, no, I thought it was two of him, two different programs. Phenetics was different than hooked on phonics. Yeah. That's wild. But Zach's question was, were the jars of splooosh advertising? As a man who has not seen the movie holes. Yeah, that's where Charlotte Buff had neither. I don't know if the jar looks better.

Of splooosh is it? We're advertising. But what was the reason for that question? Like, what sub would have been indicated by, yes, I find it appetizing. So initially off memory, I thought the jars of splooosh in holes were onion based. But I was corrected by Shane. They were, they were peaches based. That question was to determine if you wanted onions on your sandwich, God, but I had the wrong food group in that original question. But also Shane is notoriously anti-onnier.

Yeah. So he might have fed you some propaganda. But he is well versed on movies. So there's a

crossroads there. Hmm. Movies and corn dogs. He sleeps with an onion in terms of food. It's basically

like, do foods that just that reverse a generational curse. Intro, intro, you got it. It was a great job, Zach. I want another pub. So do they have them in Louisiana, publics? Uh, I don't know anything. I don't believe so. They may have one like on the fringe. So we got to get one before we cross the state border. Man, obviously. We got to go just gas station food in Louisiana. There's good gas station. Yeah, that's true. And then the last things, Zach, you, so we love you, Zach.

This is, uh, loving place because I admire you. You, we've been trying to get you a little bit out of your comfort zone out in the public, your social, your great guy to be around your awesome hang. When we went to the club's game, I was like, Zach is such a fun hang to be around. And then our guy Dante tweeted a video on Friday night. He has a club in the west loop in Chicago, called Good Night John Boy, which is kind of like a dance party club. And it was one time,

three of them, two of them. Oh, the light, it was closing. So I think it's probably around two. Two of them. And Dante was like, Zach is just here. There was a whole entire table of barstool people, but you went to the club by yourself and just danced your ass off for a few hours by yourself. So last last summer spring, you guys kept to tell me to go outside and that kind of took up for granted. And I was like, I won't need, there won't be a five, six months stretch where it's just

“way too cold. You have to stay inside and then experience that. So I took the spring and so I”

were for granted. So I've been trying to tell myself, I think it's important to like, you know, get out there a little bit and take your eyes your voice. So yeah, I went to the bar, had a couple of beers, and then went to the dance club. I don't dance very well, but it's fun to bust a mood. Yeah, it is. Yeah, not poorly. And you were just by yourself. That's awesome. That's like a, that's a move. I don't think I had the balls to do that. It was incredibly uncomfortable,

but it was like it felt good to like just, you know, get out there a little bit and did you need any women? At the dance club, it was more, I was more so dancing solo. I did meet one of the bar, we talked a little bit watching a movie at the bar. I was fun. Oh, what movie? Axe Files. Okay. Okay. Did you get any numbers? No, no, just, did anyone offer you a number? It's a good combo. Yeah, there was like an attempted, like, exchange on the way out, but Uber was coming. So like,

it was just bad timing. If she was offering you a her number? Yeah, she was like, we can,

we can hang out some time. And I was like, but she also previously said that she's always at the bar.

So I was like, oh, well, we'll just see each other, like at the bar again.

“So he said, all right. So Zach. I think it's good to overrate and support. You don't want to take.”

What is that? No, it's the bestest girl was basically asking Zach out on a day. He's like,

often. I was like, I'm not here very often. So that'll probably sync up. You were on your way out?

Yes. Like, I was leaving to go bus a move. As you already stood up and you were walking out and she was like, yeah, like, it's come, you know, it does like two minutes, one minute, but then it's like a one way. She's like, all right, we'll just loop back. It's time was up the essence to get a call. You're called a vibrating thing. Like, it's nearby. I was like this. She was like, hey, let me throw my digital camera and I wrote, I like fumbled a little bit and I was like,

“yeah, well, we'll see you next time. And I. But it was fun. It was a good time. Zach, do you want to do it?”

Yeah, that's the situation. Let's see what else. Then they can go get the Uber and you can grab the number, but it's like, prepare yourself. So I was the next room for the fact that Zach maybe Zach wasn't into or like, were you into it? I had a good time at the bar. I don't know if I would like, you know, it would seek out additional conversation outside of the expires, watch party. There you go. But it was fun. I do feel bad. Shout to the AWS, AWS all the bar. Nice guy.

I feel like I may have ruined his date because we talked for too long. I can see his date was getting his date was getting physically upset that we were dropping it up. But that's not the same girl that asked you for the number. No, no, okay. I felt like an inadvertent car block for that guy because we just started talking like we're friends. How long were you at the club, by yourself? Probably two hours. I love you, back to dancing.

Yeah, I was just dancing. I'm a bad day at your big hat. But it's fun. Did you meet up with any of the other people from Barcelona? No, no. I heard that they might have had a table at the bar, but like the table situation, you don't get the dances much. You know, it's more. It's like like, when you're just hanging out drinking, which is fun, but like, how do you know, I was just trying to do this. It's like studio 54 shit. He went to dance. What's your go to dance moves? Like,

right, when you had the dance floor. There's a lot of shoulder because my feet don't get into it as much. You know, so what guy dances? Yeah, it's a lot of, it's way, it's too much hands. Long story doing a lot more. I'm not gonna, I'm gonna pose a lot more, make me, you know,

“getting the pot a little bit, but. Do you do a circle? You see, you serve the pot?”

Yeah, we eat a little season. No, maybe a little. Oh, you did some season? Maybe a little over medium egg. Yeah. No good moves, but some moves. I love it. You're doing a little of this too much. Yeah. Have any idea how many steps you got in with a dancer? I don't know. You check it. I think it's not tracking though. Good for you, Zach. Good for you. Maybe we have a boys dance night one time. That could be fun. But we all should go solo.

Oh, eight, eight or nine different spots and then report back here that meet up and be like, how do you guys dance tonight? I mean, this is how girls plan their hang out together. They're just like, let's just go dance. Yeah. They might be up to something. Why just go dance, Zach? Good job. It's free and beauty. Yeah. All right. Good show, boys. Great week. Get excited. We got, we got a lot going on. We're on the road. We're going to, we're going to, we're going to do this. We're going to do this

trip. Max, you got this trip. We got this. I'm confident. Max is being a big baby and let me just say

for the record. Max, we're not. Max would not have lasted a second on this show in 2016.

And on grit week, I'm just trying to figure it out. There's way harder. Just trying to keep it organized. Yeah. Max, you're capable guy. You can hand it in. You can do all things. Yep. Agreed. Don't be a baby. You got this. We got it. All right. Numbers. I got the part of my balls. Fifteen nine guys. So this doesn't take dot to 27. 57. 56. Jonah. 18. It is. It's such cool sight that he made in 66. 66. Any birthdays at any point? Because Max almost birthdays in November.

Maybe I was just maybe as early. Are we shirts in November? Yeah. One of the websites had it as May 14th. You're stalling right now because you don't have it. No, you want to bet. I got birthday right now. Let me start. Happy birthday Travis Hunter. Happy birthday. I hate mom. Happy birthday to Hank's mom. Happy birthday to Vince Young. Happy birthday to Mr. October, Reggie Jackson.

“Got fooled by an AI video the other day. Then on Tuesday, happy birthday to I believe your dog Stella.”

Stella's on Tuesday. She just said you don't want to get birthday to me. I'm always right there.

Oh, happy birthday to a big catch dog into Hank's mom. Also happy birthday to Archie Man in Kevin Grinette, London Fletcher Baker. Mario Chalmers, Jojo Siwa Sam Smith, Andre the Giant Malcolm X. Shout out Malcolm X. Happy birthday on Tuesday. She's still alive. He is the Jedi Malcolm X. And then also today as we're doing this podcast, Matt Ryan's birthday. It's so sad that you lost. I made a list. What do you say? I made a list that somebody also

helps me? You ain't in someone sending you all this? I have a list. I don't want to talk about who's sending me the list because they're not just like this and so much as sending them all of them. Max Homo might have been on the list from last week, so I don't want to throw

keep not going to find a new guy. Now we're going to find a new guy. Keep doing it. Throw some random

“ones in there. It's a lot of birthdays. What? Oh no. I have the wrong day pulled up. I thought”

he missed Jane Daniel's birthday, but that's December 18th. Oh, okay. Well, they'll probably say it

next week by accident. I birthday Tina Fey hit out the part of the respect. Shout out Tina Fey.

“You got to think of Tina Fey? You guys looked like you could be brother and sister.”

All right. See you all in one second. Love you guys.

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