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It was literally like 24 hours before all was right in the world.

“Looking back on, we did talk about a lot of things as if he was still working at LSU.”

Yeah, and we had an idea that it might happen. We had an inkling, but we couldn't actually talk about any of it. So put awesome interview.

Always great to talk to Cocho.

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Oh, congrats, memes, congratsack. We are in studio for the first 10 minutes of this show. Then we were back. The rest of this show will be back on the bus back at the Saints facility. So we're back in Chicago. We watched the games. We're going to give you a little playoff talk before we get to everything else with the great week finale. But memes, Zach, 2-0, we all said you guys are going to win this game.

We all said the series is going to be over after the first game and what happened with the

calves. How we feeling, boys? I feel great. That's nine in a row now. What the next day tonight is the formula to just win every game. Oh, cat showed up, Josh Hart. Well, I only showed up. I mean, okay, yes, I would agree with you the formula, but Josh Hart scoring 26 points in being like everywhere. That's probably not, well, but it's probably 4-0.

It starts 24 to 26 points and you don't win, we got a fucking problem. McHale bridges like scoring 19 points shooting a very efficient night. Yeah, I agree. You know what memes? I'm going to agree. That is the formula. All your guys who can't usually score being really good scores. To McHale's credit, he's been doing a sensey crowd game through it. Yeah, yes, but he was super efficient tonight. Yeah, he's been so good,

cat showed up tonight. So this is the formula. This is the formula. Okay, all right, formula locked in. Wait, is the formula also to have the calves like three sharpshooters miss

“every open three? And I'm not saying this is like, I think the next year to win this series,”

I said it before the series, especially after game one, but that was what decided this game more than anything to me was the fact that the calves couldn't hit an open three. Like, semero max truce and uh, weighed. I think they went a combined two, four, 14.

there was a lot where there's like, how do you how do you miss that? Again, not saying the next

“aren't the better team because they are, but the calves like you have to look at that game”

if your calves haven't been like dude could if these guys hit four more threes. Still lose, but it would've been a tight game at the end. Nine for 32 is not going to do it. It's not going to do it on the road. I still think that the next are probably going to win in five, nine for 35. Nine for 35. Yes. From three. They they're probably going to win in five. They could even pull off the sweep. I guess the only real question we have for you because we already, we declared that

the New York next have won the series after game one. Correct. Who would you rather play in the finals? I would like to see that series goes spurs in seven. Okay. And then best case scenario in this series, I mean, if we are, if we're able to pull it off four games, get good rest and then we go windy, we go at the spurs. Get some more rest. We don't want too much rest. I was worried about

too much rest last time. It shouldn't be working out now. They did shake it. No, no, didn't. The first

“three quarters. Very bad. They shook it off in the fourth last game. Yeah. So I was actually”

it's funny because we talked after the last game on part of my take and we kind of gave our analysis of just James Harden getting cooked, just like a human barbecue of James Harden. And the stats just keep coming out and they just keep getting worse for how historically bad that defensive performance by James Harden was. And it was as much as James Harden, it was also the coaching. Oh, you didn't do anything to get him out at some point. Not only that, get him out or be like,

hey, here's the time out. Guys, stop letting them stop, stop switching, letting James Harden, or Jim Brunsett switch to James Harden on basically nothing. It wasn't even screens. They were just like, hey, Jim Brunsett is going to walk over here, so now James Harden has it. Yeah, it was outrageous. And the fact that he kept happening over and over and over again and how many points he gave,

he was giving up basically two points per possession, which is crazy. And you could make the

argument that like a dead body would have given up fewer points than James Harden because like that at least the guys on defense would know that they'd have to play four on five or they would just help out. Ew, yuck. Yeah. I'm staying away from that. I don't want to drive on a dead body. Ew. But the way that it played out, it was almost like the calves. They were just like, okay, James is going to get cooked. That's his problem. That's not our problem. I will say that if you

talk about the blueprint and the next, the way they played tonight, the one, the one thing you could say like that they still have a level to go up is it wasn't a jail in Brunsett hero night. Like he did the hero night game one. He wasn't his absolute, I mean, he still controls the game. It's more like scoring 19 points for jail in Brunsett. We've come to expect jail in Brunsett to drop 30 every playoff game almost. You know? And so the MSG crowds electric. It's awesome watching

playoff games there. I, you know, we're having a great New York debate already. A great New York debate. For the next people are saying that jail in Brunsett would be the greatest Nick of all time if they won the finals. I'd agree. Number one. I don't think it's greatest of all time. Yeah. Oh no, maybe not like if you're saying greatest in terms of playing career, maybe not, but most beloved, I'd say yes. It's also very funny because they're having this debate, but like if they do

win the finals, we don't know how they win the finals. Yeah, I do know it's maybe we just get maybe

“just replay of tonight and we get this formula over and over again. I, I, I, I, I, I think we said”

something to this effect last year where he already is top five. That's clear. He might be top three, you know, it's, I mean, this is, he's my number one. Yes, this is the best that Nick's had been in a long, long time and it's, it's now sustained, you know, being competitive multiple years in a row and there are two games away from the NBA finals. Yeah, in my lifetime, the next of fucking sucks. Right. They made it to the finals when I was four years old. Yeah, your lifetime,

I would say like Patrick Ewing, Carmelo, and Jalen Brunsett. Yeah, David Lee, and maybe even Canada. Your lifetime, yeah. Loki, Thompson. Oh, yeah. He's brutal. I said, Mitch, you got a really just shitty lifetime. I put Mitch Robinson up there. Yeah, Mitch Robinson's in there. Okay, so we talked about maybe doing the, the granny shot because something needs to change with, with the fall shooting. He was, was he over four? I know he started over four tonight. I don't know if he missed every

shot after that. First year, part of my take, we suggested just rebranding the granny shot as the

pimpe grip. If you just call it a different name, it sounds way cooler. Nobody, no player in the NBA wants a shoot of the free throw granny style. But if it's pimpe grip, that sounds pretty fucking cool. Listen, if it goes in, it doesn't matter. Like if he, he would, he actually probably gets him endorsements from it. Yeah. Um, it is fun, has seen memes happy. It's a, it's a, it's a very bizarre feeling. But he is, he's very happy and I'm, I'm happy four memes, I'm happy four Zach,

two games away. I, I know you guys kind of get a little upset when we keep saying the series is over, but I, I truly believe it. I don't get upset. I just spoke too soon in the Hawks get Hawks

date, this team is so fucking. They're better, they're just better than the calves and, and again,

what happened on Monday night with a Monday night? Tuesday night, you can't, you can't lose that camera for the calves. But trying to predict the future gets scary, just like putting things out there. It's true. Definence as things that are going to happen, I, I mean, it just makes me nervous. I don't know how to get nervous. You get nervous. You know, so you're like, you don't even want to think about the finals. Yeah. You get nervous all the time. I've had a peak about every. That's fair.

But this is a, where this is an isolated incident that we're referring to. You just get more nervous. All right. Would you be nervous if you lost game three? I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be thrilled, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't be nervous. I'd be, same nerves. They wouldn't escalate too crazy,

just because the way tonight went really. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Hank, you're, you're fan of the New York

franchises. Where do you think about, what do you think about the, the, the mindset that memes and Zach are in right now? And just Nick's fans in general. I guess the right mindset to have. I mean, the, they're saying the right things deep down. They know that this series is over and they're just

“focused on the finals, but you have to at least say, they don't want to get both. Yeah. You know,”

people, but they know it's over. We know it's over. Right. The series is over. Right. And the spurs thunder series looks like it's going at least six, probably seven. Like it looks like an absolute battle. Yeah. So that's good for them. The spurs. All things. I mean, this is, this is the next championship to lose. Oh, like, and you know, you're just saying NBA finals. Yeah. Wow. Not in the room. Okay. Yeah. The spurs thunder are tied one, one after Wednesday night

game. Oh, wait. One last thing about Nick's calves. I forgot. I wanted to do this real quick. I just wanted to check and see if a good friend, JOC watched all four quarters because on Tuesday night, he said, I need to admit something. I turned off the Nick's last night in the fourth quarter.

I will never miss another minute of this postseason. I am ashamed. He missed the entire. He actually

probably saw our tech saying, hey, let's go, let's go record. Why do you think he admitted to that? I don't know. California. I saw this. I saw him courtside tonight. He was at MSG. Where do you was? Yeah. Oh, I didn't see him. Yeah. No, they put him on and they said, like, can you make it to the star of Ozark the whole thing? Oh, that was mean of you. Yeah. And sure. Yeah. It was Jason Bateman and Jason Sedanikas. That was very mean of you. It's my guy. I looked at TV. I was like,

Blake, that's our guy. Yeah. So thunder spurs tied one, one. Do you know that this is the first time that the Western Conference finals has been tied one, one since 2018? That's kind of a crazy staff to not know that. Crazy staff. This was the, uh, let's get physical game because Hardenstein got very physical with Wemby. Just wrestling. Castle got very physical with SGA. I unfortunately feel like the the tenor of this series is we're just going to have to talk about the refs after

every single game, which saw. It's like, how is this guy going to be officiated tonight? Because Hardenstein was, he was like, draped all over him. He was playing physical basketball, which I love. They didn't call it. Yeah, physical basketball is great. Charles Barkley said that wasn't physical. He's been kissed, Harden. Yeah. That's really good. It's good. Uh, yeah. I mean, I don't that Charles says a thing for Max Truce. Maybe they got into it. But like, it was, it was good

“basketball. It was fun to watch. And that's how basketball used to be played. And I don't think Wemby”

was flat. Maybe, maybe the coaching points going to be like, Wemby needs to start flopping more. Because if you had, then I think some of those calls get made. Yeah. We just have, it's, it's just his SGA was, was good. He, he answered back after a not great game one. Um, he had 30 points. And it was, you know, the, the thunder, I expected the thunder to have that type of response after losing game one. We also have like, dueling injuries because Jade up got hurt again, Dylan Harper got

hurt. Deer and Fox remains hurt. So it's a little bit of a war of attrition. Stefan Castle had, I think, what does he have 20 turnovers so far? Yeah, he had 11 in game one, nine in game two. I think that's the record for back-to-back games. And it's, it's tough because I, you know, some of them were more egregious, but also he now with Deer and Fox and Dylan Harper being hurt. Like, he has to just dribble the ball. And it looked like, it looked like Dylan Harper wanted

to come back in the game was not permitted to by the training staff. I don't know. I don't, if it's, if it's just going to be Castle and Wemby, I feel like that's, Wemby's going to have

“to do a lot of it on his own. Yeah. And the role players that they had, I think were, the series”

felt like it was more in favor of the spurs to those injuries, but I actually have a take now. I've got to take on the series. I know who I want to win. I want the Thunder to win this series. Okay. And the reason why I want the Thunder to win this series is because I think if the Thunder

If, if the spurs win the series. Yeah. And then they win their first championship and Wemby dominates.

We're going to enjoy it. We're going to have a great time. He's, he's so fun to watch. I love watching Wemby play. But just like any other superstar that we see in every sport, it doesn't matter. We're going to eventually hate Wemby. So in, in the interest of being able to enjoy more Wemby basketball. Yeah. I think I, I would like to make the sacrifice of having the spurs lose the series that way. I get all next season to root form, probably the season

after that. And then I'll be like, this guy fucking sucks. He broke basketball. You could just enjoy him. No, not, you, you, you know, God damn well that's not enough. Like, like, Steph, I really enjoy him because he's, like, I said on Wednesday show, he is, uh, he's

“already better than a little brown. So, hmm. That's how I'm going to enjoy him. But you know,”

like, Steph Curry, we all enjoyed Steph Curry. Oh, I never stopped enjoying Steph Curry. We,

not, not when they were just when Katie was on the team. I still enjoyed Steph Curry. I was pissed to Katie, but I still enjoyed Steph Curry. Steph Curry might be the one guy who's, who was actually, like, impervious to it. Patrick Mahomes. Like, really. Yeah. No, no, I, I know what you're saying. I agree with you. And I think like, like, they, Steph Curry might be the only guy because he's short. Wemby, yeah, Wemby is so much fun to watch. And I love, he's just a treat.

I look forward to it. But I know. That's the back of my head. I will, one day say this guy is cheating at basketball because he's too tall. He's an alien. He shouldn't feel like to play because he's walking PD. I don't think I'll get sick of Wemby. I think we'll get sick of the spurs, which is kind of one of the same. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, this, this, I don't know, I, I think the, what it comes to like the, the rest, because it really is the series of just who can get clips up faster

of the opposing team doing something, whether it be heart and sign, grabbing Wemby, SGA getting absolutely like face guarded and crushed by Castle SGA flopping. I love the one where I saw, there was a highlight tape of S, it was, it was titled SGA literally fell down on every single

“one of his shots. I think it was maybe seven of his 24 shots in total. And I think, oh, Jerry's”

calling me back. Jerry. Hey, hey, did you watch all four quarters? Yeah, I was the whole thing. So stop fucking calling me a hex. I didn't say anything. I, I just was, we were checking in. We're doing the show right now. Am I on the air? Yeah, you're on the air. Okay. So, what I say is four air? Yes, four air. Okay. Did, let me say this and I'm going to be real clear about it and I'll take 'cause I'm still at the bar. Okay. The next are six wings away from a champion trip.

Think about that. Mm-hmm. Ten, ten, ten hand carry me. Yes, you can. Pink. Think about that. Are you talking about that? Oh, yeah. Six wings away. I'm going to tell you something else. You're next and four. Okay. The two west coast teams, the fuck got to be chosen. You're just fucking taking each other up, swapping all over the place. Okay. So six wings away from a wing. I love it. I love it. Okay. Well, good for you, Jerry. Also, PFT kind of took a shot at you.

“I didn't know. I was mistook it. It was mean, whatever you should listen to tomorrow's show. I got confused.”

I got confused with the broadcast, Jerry. I'm at a bar and there's like people. I'm having fun. I'm not like doing a podcast. You got to be a little louder. PFT said that you were at the game tonight and I was like, oh, shit. I didn't see him and he's like, yeah, it's at Star of Ozarks and all that. I see. Yeah. Yeah. I got confused, Jerry. Yeah. By the way, just wanted to say I was about to treat this out, but I thought it was a little hater of me. David was like hardly in a seat. Like

when the mix came back for the second half, he wasn't even in a seat. That's what he was doing.

That's what I mean. I just want to say I never went. When the mix invited me, Mr. Gohan,

if you're listening, I know you're a huge fan. When I went to the next game, I stayed in my seat. I went number one before the game and then held it and stayed there the whole time. You need me to watch the game one. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right, Jerry, we love you. Yeah. All right. All right. That's it. Yeah. Actually, one of these days, he's going to do it. Yeah, we said no moderated show. He's going to do it. We told Jerry at the live show. We're like,

hey, Jerry, it would absolutely kill if you went out there to introduce us and then you just unfold a piece of paper and said, I'd like to start with the AFCEs. And I think every every time that we've talked to him since then, he started our conversation with, I want to start with the AFCEs. Yeah. He's going to do it. He's going to do it. But yes, so back to what we were talking about. I just look, I get it. SGA, I actually think the problem with SGA more than anything is he's just boring. That's really what

people were upset about. The flopping like socks, but so back to my point. There was this clip that went viral. There was like SGA literally fell down on every. Yeah. Shay, Shay flopped on every

24 took. He went to the free throw line three times last three times. And again, I'm not saying

that SGA doesn't flop. He does. He falls down. He flops. But more than anything, he's just he's boring because he's a lethal mid range guide. Doesn't have flashy dunks. He's not doing it. I mean, we step on castle. That was like the dunk of the playoffs. And he's not hitting threes like

“Steph Curry. He's just methodically. And it's like great. That's what he is. This is what we”

thoughtically an exceptional basketball. It's what we said that we've won from a superstar for the last like 15 years, which is like the last part of the mid range. And he's very good at it and he's lethal and he's like master of his body control. And he should be celebrated. But it does get fucking annoying watching him. But it wasn't called that much. I agree. Like hard time was hard time was a hundred percent like getting very physical with Wemby. If you watch that game, castle was doing a lot on SGA

in terms of before you got the ball faceguarding him. I liked it. It's a physical series. I hope the rest don't call a lot of this stuff. And again, they didn't call a lot of his flops last night. I just, it's such, like the teams are so good and it's just going to, it's going to bother me if we, I'm just going to tune it out. But it's going to, but we can, in fact, like every game is going to referee. We can get upset without SGA for flopping, even if they don't call it. It's still annoying

“to watch. I see, but I have, but I, I think if it doesn't work, it's actually he's just”

disadvantaged himself. He's falling down. He's just like disadvantaged to himself. But it's still annoying to watch. It's like, when I don't get it, we take the shot and then then he like dives for it. And he tries to draw the call to me. That's something that they should be able to review between games. And if it's egregious, they should be able to issue technical fouls for clearly diving. If they missed it during the game. They should like in the off, they'd be like,

yeah, that was, that was bullshit. Let's stop with the flop bullshit. See, I don't care as much if they're not calling it. I don't like it. I think it's actually hurting him. I think it sucks to watch when he, when superstars are just like diving. Also Tom Havashra did a, looked at every single shot. He said, he, he, he, he broke it down in this series. So far, he, he is falling to the floor in 27% of his shots. So that's, that's a little over a quarter. So to say that it's every shot is just,

it's gotten a little out of hand. The, the, you would think that SJ is just constantly on the floor. He, I mean, does go, but I'd say a quarter is not as, if you ask 100 NBA fans, how many times does SJ fall in the floor? And after a shot, they'd all say like 70% just on the narrative. Oh, yeah, this people that that aren't watching the full game that are watching like the highlights, but SJ has said that he intentionally goes to the ground. He's admitted that. He's like,

“it's part of my game. I think he says that he does it sometimes because it's, he can control”

how he goes down like in football. We always talk about a running back learning how to get tackled.

Well, so SJ, when he's off balance a little bit, or when he's diving or jumping, he thinks that he's got a better chance at controlling his body, preventing injury if he ends up like diving to the ground and like a very controlled manner. I mean, we've seen injuries before. I mean, the quiet, the famous quiet injury, the landing zone, like when guys get under your feet when you're, when you're trying to rise for a mid range jump shot or a three pointer.

Oh, is that off a cheap shot? Yeah, that's probably a little bit of it. It's like, hey, if I'm following forward, I'm not going to have someone get under my legs and turn my ankle. Anyway, I'm just excited to keep watching this series and, and not, I don't know what. I think there will be adjustment to Heart and Sun. That will 100% happen. He will be called for a lot more. I hope Dylan Harper comes back. I hope Darren Fox comes back. I hope J. Dubb can play

because I just want to watch. I want to watch seven games of this. I did. And it was, it was Tuesday or Wednesday night was the championship medal of an Oklahoma City Thunder game team where it was the tight game and they were able to find a way to put it away and be like, that's a team that they know they've been in the wars and they're not going to go down to O and lose both games at home. So hockey, PFT, Canadians up, one nothing. These qualifications, Canadians up, one

nothing. They took it to the hurricanes. They went, they were down one nothing and then they, they ran off four goals and it was like record speed. And I think I saw a stat that was something like I had the stat right here. Do you? Give it to us. So since 2000 teams that are coming off of the sweep are one and seven against teams that are coming off of the game seven win and hockey. I saw a different stat so that that's a great stat. It was something like teams that have

10 days or rest. 10 days rest or more have, have lost. I think it's three series in a row.

So maybe rest first row. Like the entire series. Yeah. I mean, yeah. This is like specific for

yeah. So if you come off that sweep and I think the hurricanes had the longest possible layoff

okay, hurricanes will be ready to go. I think that I'm going to, I might launch a nuke on the

hurricanes game two. That feels like that feels like a must win for Carolina at home because you don't want to go up to that bar and in Montreal down to nothing. No. You don't want to look that in the face. You don't have to become a French citizen. Yeah. I don't want to have to do that. And the night in the night took it to the avalanche, who Maccar being out is very, very substantial. I feel like it's out for the series. I don't know what is prognosis long term for the series,

but that does feel like the night's are going to win if Maccar just doesn't play in the series. Yeah. I would agree with that. I would agree with that. I would just continue.

“Itchy for Mitchies, what they're saying. And that was one of the teams that I believe biz gave us.”

Yeah. That started the playoffs. Yeah. Vegas. Yeah. Vegas.

Terminous organization. Biz also just doesn't. He just calls Blutman Blutman. I love that time. Yeah. And I don't think he knows that he's doing that, but it's awesome. It means keeps pulling up or is that Zach? Zach keeps pulling up the, the, the roster far I Canadians fan that memes, but my face on. It looks like you. It looks like me. It does. It does. It's Canadian. Canadian. Okay. Anything else with playoffs or any other sports stories real quick?

I'm thinking. Oh, I had. Oh, just everyone knows. If you don't listen to the intro. Coach O. We taped on Tuesday. And so we didn't know that he was fully back. We had an inkling that he was maybe going to be back. So if you think we're, like, it sucks the timing worked out that way.

I'm so happy he's back. It's all is right in the world. I love the LSU, too. It's like,

hey, remember when we were kind of successful a few years ago, like, let's just do that again. Yeah. We'll wait. Yeah. Let's lean into it. And if you listen to the interview with Lane, Lane drops a little Easter egg in that interview. Yep. About Coach O. When we were talking about if he's met like, tell you, yeah, if he's lifting his eye and then Lane said something along the lines of like, that could be a good job for Coach O. To be the Mike the Tiger Translator for me.

Yep. And the Coach O interview also he drops some kind of hints of like, hey, I want to be in it. I like, you know, talking to recruits and making sure, yep. Like, I can, I can fix defensive lines. Like, he's got the enthusiasm for it. He's, it's perfect. It's perfect for LSU. Coach O's, he can coach the fuck out of a defensive line. And he's probably the best recruitment coach football. Not only that, but he's he can essentially just tell Lane Kiffin how the state of Louisiana works. Yeah. Like,

just that that was the big thing for Mark Coach O interview that you're going to listen to. His love for the state of Louisiana and he's just telling us like how it's just different. And we have funny moments where we asked him about Brian Kelly and he gave very candid answers. Yeah. Great answer. So like those, you understand those. Like, Coach O is he's built for it. He's ready to go. All right. And then the last one Kyle Bush, which was tragic. We're not the biggest NASCAR fans,

“but we had Kyle Bush on the show. I think it was like seven or eight years ago. Awesome dude.”

One of the best NASCAR drivers of all time. Anytime there's, you know, someone loses their life 41 years old. He's got two little kids. It's just absolutely heartbreaking. Like, I don't, I feel, I feel just gutted for his family. I feel gutted for NASCAR fans. It's, I don't know what else to say then. It's just, it was shocking. I was shocked when I saw it. He came as a big surprise. I think everybody was shocked. Even like the biggest diehard fans,

I knew that he didn't feel well last week. Yeah. And that he might be going through something. And we still don't know what would happen. But obviously he came on quick and suddenly and it's, uh, it's very, it's very, very tragic what happened. And, um, yeah, nobody saw this coming. And, uh, it seemed like he was a guy that, that, you know, he, he was the face of NASCAR, one of the most successful drivers of the last 10 years, 15 years. And, uh, he won a truck race five days ago.

Yeah. And then after that race, he said, cherish everyone. You don't know when it's coming your last. Yeah. Which is kind of, it's a little spooky, um, but poignant in retrospect to look at, uh, it's just very, it's very sad. It's, it's brutal. I, I mean, I just, like, I don't know how AI works or, you know, the algorithms, but he, he was, his Instagram feed was on my algorithm. Almost immediately is, you know, his 11 year old, so it's something turned 11 three days ago. And just,

like, I just, it's really, really, really sad. And we feel, uh, awful for his family. And I said,

“again, NASCAR fans, um, because he's a legend. And I, I think it's like one of the, a top,”

just shocking deaths of guys in there. He's still in his prime. So, uh, all right, let's, uh, sad note, but let's, let's, let's, we're going to, we're going to transition back into our truck, coacho, we're going to do fire, or sorry, we're going to do great week recaps some really good

fest. And again, the kelon more interview, top, Mount Rushmore PMT moment. Uh, it's pretty great.

“It's, it's really, I, I think, um, I, I don't want to spoil what it is, but I'll just say that”

there, there will be one member of part of my take that will probably not spend a lot of time online on Friday. Yeah. Reading the replies and the comments. Well, he was golfing any post, and it could be anyone of us, but thank God he's got his kids to see, but he's got more important things. Yeah, I like it, put trust, put some perspective on scratch. Literally, okay, we touched and said to him. Touch some Bramuda, some split grass, whatever, what is it? Bramuda. Yeah,

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limited time offer. By the way, speaking the NBA, can I read you guys a treat real quick before we do our recap of grit week and what we did with the Saints? Yeah, I got a tweet too. Oh, you go. You go. I'm getting there. Okay. I got two two. Okay, yeah. Clinkoobiac called Brock Bowers a football robot from heaven. I saw that. Yeah, it's got two. Like I'm not. I didn't know if I was in on Clinkoobiac and then he just said that a football robot from heaven. And I'm like, that guy is going to win.

What I like about that is it does beg a lot of questions. Yeah. Like are is heaven filled with football robots like instead of angels? Yeah, the angels are just robots and then occasionally

“one can get sit down to earth to rescue the raiders. I think so. Okay. All right. That's actually”

the only question I have. So that's a football robot from heaven. That checks out. Yeah. And then it does hell also have a football robot army. Like hit a football robot go to heaven and it can go to hell. Or they produced and made in heaven, then sent back to earth. I think football robots from hell are play defense. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. If you had like a stud nose tackle, that's a football robot from hell. And football robots and purgatory are just the ghosts of players that play for

Jeff Fisher. Yeah. Kickers and punchers as well. Okay. Next tweet. I actually have a couple. We'll just do a real quick. Is Joey Chestnut competing in the 4th of July hot dog competition? He slapped a man. Did you guys see that? He slapped a man. Yep. Yeah. He got charged the battery.

I didn't realize it's the most delicious sounding felony. Yeah. It's absolutely. Always has been.

I, I was like, um, Kira McColkin in succession when the rocket blows up. I saw the tweet about Joey Chestnut being. It's, it says America's most popular competitive eater. Joey Chestnut is now serving probation after pleading guilty to slapping a man inside of a Westfield bar earlier this year. I saw the tweet and just closed my phone and put it back in my pocket because I was like, I don't want to deal with the fact that he could potentially not be competing on 4th of

July. He, we were robbed of 4th of July. Was it last year or two years ago? And it was not a holiday. Uh, so I don't want that to happen again. I'm not going to look into it. I'm going to just find out on 4th of July. Turn on my TV and we'll find out if 4th of July is canceled. What a story line. It would be if it was true though. Like it and he makes his comeback. He's like, really, you know, the machine race of competitive eating. What if he's in prison? He asked to like keep training

for the 4th of July hot dog eating programs behind bars. Yeah. So that training wouldn't be fun. Well, there's some, yeah, when I'm thinking how hot dogs behind bars. How would you learn how to train for that particular throat competition? Yeah. Behind bars. Actually, I would probably

he had to train so far off the grid. He's basically bane. Yeah. He would be bane coming to the 4th of

“July. The eighth and four. Yeah. Rocky 4th. Yeah. He's sort of training in the industry. It's just”

of training in a pen and century for the hot dog eating competition. He's dealing with a lot of long cabin stuff up there. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I'm not thinking, do you think I'm going to know what happened? I want to do this side. I'm not doing this side. Do you think if he trained in prison

and he got to the 4th of July, Nathan's competition, he'd just eat one solo hot dog and never eat

it. Maybe. He, he, he's called for life. He just, he just sucks on a hot dog in front of the whole country. He just doesn't, he might not have to chew anymore. This might be a game change. He's out there like, like, doiged with beer. It's one of the whole. Yeah. All right. Next tweet. So we're going to just put a pin in that one. We'll, we'll forget about it. But we'll, we'll, we'll think about it later. Uh, this one just quick math one. Zach, you ready? Get your, get your human calculator

out. Uh, Kim Scattaboo believes full season will equate to big numbers for him. He said, I had 400 yards on 100 carries last year. When I play 17 plus games this year, it's going to be 300 carries over 200 2000 yards. Okay. Yeah. Does that make sense? It would be 1600 yards. It would be, but yeah, whatever. That's Scattaboo math. But maybe he thinks they're going to, he's going to wear them down.

“I think it's like with him, he gets stronger as a season goes on. Yeah. Yeah. That's fair. And then this is”

my final tweet. This one. I actually think they should be in the takeies for just like roller coaster tweet, funniest tweet. I don't know what you want to say. This is from Henry Abbott, true hoop. This is after Jason kid was fired. He said, I covered Jason kid when he played for the nets. I know one of his childhood friends. I've been to his house, met his kids, Ben wife, and Pilates instructor. And I have insight for many people who worked with him in his coaching years. This is a great

firing. Yeah. It's a very fun thing. It's perfectly constructed in the exact format of like a beatwriter that's about to go to bat for somebody that's not need to be going to bat for. I know everything about Jason kid. He sucks. Yeah. Very good joke. Pilates instructor. Yeah, roll them in there. Okay, you got one or no. No, no, my mind was I was starting with, I'm getting there. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, let me switch back for it. But I do have one right here. It's actually kind of an old segment that

we used to do radio wars. So in the offseason, there would be back in fourth about, you know, sometimes usually between fully radio stations, they would get into arguments with each other, they kind of fill some of that space after football is over. And now I feel like we might be in a beef right now. Oh, we might be beefing. Who are we beefing with, with toucher and rich? Yeah. Which sounds like that's that's just the name for Glenn and Jeffrey. Obviously back in the day.

That was that was that was that was they're going out name. Um, but I apparently they're not happy with the way that we conducted the the bill bell check interview. But they said something that was wild today because I guess they're they're Boston radio show right now. Yeah. And so they've been around Bellachek for a while. Probably got sick of the way that he used to treat the media sometimes,

which is like he's always been a grumpy guy. It'd never been like, you know, the most forthcoming

when he didn't have to be. So that I, it sounds to me like they don't really care for him that much based on the small amount that I've heard. But then what of them said something? I don't know if it was toucher or if it was rich or who it was. But they said that, um, Bellachek right now needed us more than we need Bellachek. And they're like, I wonder what the part of my take guys like we're getting out of having Bill Bellachek on the podcast. It's like, wait, what? He's the best football coach of all

time we want to talk to the guy about football. And then the other guy said, Bill Bellachek right now is more known for dating Jordan Hudson than he is for anything else. And it's like, wait, have we completely lost the, the plot? Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah, that's actually our queen.

“We can agree to disagree. It's our queen. I think he is most known still for being a football coach,”

but it's like the guy that can do it all. Yeah. I mean, so Hank, where are you at with this beef? Because you, you started this beef on, you know, they started, I kind of retaliated. I think that the clip you've talked about is the original clip. Oh, there's no, it is, it is where it is. They're pft's right. He's like, they, they have a long sitting like beef with Bellachek in there.

They, they, they fill their time. They need to talk shit about Bellachek. They're never going to be

complimentary. Hmm. I saw one tweet that was like, "Hennies did not back down." Oh, sorry. Yeah, Hank. Oh, no, here we go. That's my boy. This is great. This is from a Boston radio watch. Which, I'm going to follow that account. It looks like, oh, touch her in hearty, just started a beef with barstools part of my take. Uh-oh. They rose to PMT's Bellachek interview on area today, and PMT's Hank Locke would

didn't exactly take it lying down. Let's go. That's the tweet that's the tweet I was told.

Yeah. So, I, I, let's see, Sam. Unless he didn't pay any woodhead and we got a long drive.

Yeah. There. He's not sitting down. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, we were strategizing how we could both lay down. Kind of pick some little spoof. No, because there was, there was a little alley. We were like, I could go in the floor right there and then Hank and make the back row a bet. We were, we were, we were trying to figure out how to lay it up against the ground. Yeah, the back very woodhead does. I know about. You said just both got it on the bed.

Oh, we could have snugged. Yeah. You could have vacuum beforehand. Yeah. I learned that today that Vinnie Woodhead has a vacuum in their grave vacuum. I hit a bump on the way to waffle house and I was like, I heard this noise. Oh, fuck. They knew what that's about to break. I felt like a real handyman because I went back and I just turned the vacuum off.

“And I was like, look at that. I'm a, I can fix cars. So, where were we at with the beef?”

I don't know. It's more, more a question for Hank because he's the one that's leading this battle.

So, I'm not leading this battle. They took a shot. I said, "Fuck him." And that's where I stand. Wow. But these are not back down. Oh, Daniel stands. You guys can just, just, "Fuck him." Oh, okay. All right. "Fuck him." Yeah. So, yeah. I guess it's the battle. It's some rage is on. Yeah. We should, we should just title this.

Oh, card. Yeah. We make a quote card. Yeah. Of any saying, "Fuck him." Yeah. We, in reference to Rich and Touchy, or. Yeah. We should, we should, we should, honestly, we should, we should title this episode. Hank doesn't back down. Oh, get it. Oh, you know what I love? I love the, the thumbnails and the, the headlines

“that always say like, "So, and so breaks his silence." Yeah. That's real high, right?”

Hank Lockwood breaks his silence on Boston radio. Yeah. With Touchy and Rich. You see. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. Okay. Great, great, great, great week boys. We're at the Saints. So, we woke up in Baton Rouge on Wednesday morning. We went to Waffle House, delicious. Hank tried to shoot me if we're not having grits. He did, in fact, show me if we're not having grits. What? I just, I just said like, you're whole spiel before the Waffle House is like, "I'm

going to have grits every day." Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. There's no spiel. What spiel are you talking about? You're monologue. I did a monologue. I didn't do a monologue. I, in the presentation on this show, I think it was like, maybe I'll have grits. I actually, like a spiel. I actually remember it. Yeah. No, PFT got in front of all of us on, on Sunday goes, you guys hear about this thing called grits. He started the model. Is it a spiel? Your keynote

was Ted Talk. I'm going to eat grits every day at Waffle House. Like, you know, my keynote spiel. Yeah. Thesis. Listen, I said that I would like to eat Waffle House every meal because I love Waffle House, but then sometimes what unselfish people do, Hank, is when they're in a situation with their own others, they don't make everybody else change the calendar for the things that they want to do. So, I was like, you know what I'd say? Let's eat some pub subs. Let's have some good meals on the road.

If we find herself at a Waffle House, this is a flat. That'll be great. This is a deflection. Sometimes you go right past the Chick-fil-A that your brother works at and then you just don't tell anyone that your brother. So, yeah, exactly. We talk about that because we have to go back now. We'll leave Wednesday morning.

“Well, that's where we'll come back to if you want to bookmark that. Zach, we found out we went through”

Tallahassee and Zach told us afterwards, his brother owns three Chick-fil-A's in Tallahassee's three. He runs a store, and you were like, "No, you weren't going to tell us we weren't going to stop." We drove by the one that his brother was at. Like, we were on the road and the Chick-fil-A was to the right of us. See his car? No, usually they park on a parking lot across the street. It's like behind a different bill. And look, I'd say if your brother doesn't want to be on camera or stuff,

I would just like to meet him because you are your brother's keeper. I want to know who you've been keeping all these years. So, I know we have like a 10 hours on the road and I just don't want to be so sure about his time. But we stopped at a public's two minutes away, and that was our longest stop. Yeah, true. Looking back that does make more sense, but that's where my headspace was in the moment. I was like, "I know there's a lot to do this week. I don't want to do it. Is your brother

not like us?" What's up? Oh, no, my brother likes you, guys. Does your brother have the same tattoo? No, he's got tattoos. We just had different tattoos. Does he have one that's like about you? Yeah. Do you have one that says like, "Kept by Zach?" Yeah, if lost, please return to Zach. No, no.

I'm bummed because I asked afterwards. I was like, "What's your brother like? Is he basically

just you?" And you said, "Yes, but cooler." Like, this is like a, uh, circle and stuff on her cell situation. Yeah, he's me, but cool. He's one of the coolest guys, the globe has. Yeah, guy. Does he have any guy? Does he have glasses? He does. Now are you saying he's one of the coolest guys in the world because you keep him? No, no, I'm not going to do it. That's a good belt on your wall. I would say I'm a supporting cast member in his world. Oh, okay.

I bet you runs into my own Chick-fil-A, too. Yeah, he's a, he's a, he's a great way down. That's nice.

Okay, nice. And then, uh, all right, so we, so back to Wednesday, we went to the Waffle House, then we drove to good. Well, going back to Waffle House, PFC did a deflection there. I did not care that you didn't go to Waffle House every meal. Like that was fine. Okay. The point that you also made with the Waffle House was, I'm going to go to Waffle House and he grits. So when we went to Waffle House, all I said, I did not accuse you, I did not come at you. I just

said, PFC did you get grits? Mm-hmm. Question mark. Mm-hmm. Just because I was remembering you saying verbatim, mid-spiel. You know, that sounds back to the field. It sounds anti-semitic when you say the word spiel. I'm going to go to Waffle House and he grits for every meal. Uh-huh.

“So I was just like, oh, surely we went to Waffle House one time you must have got grits.”

Yeah. So that was not, when you have your little attitude like that, you know, you hear some hear some things. Maybe that's just a product of us knowing each other so well that I hear when you're being a bitch and I pick up on it. Mm-hmm. Listen, the fact is, I forgot to order grits and I apologize for that. If anyone out there's disappointed. Okay. Yeah. I screwed up. Nobody to blame by myself. I did try to order grits halfway through the meal, which is fantastic.

Got the hash brown bowl with sausage and a blueberry, new-get waffle, which I believe is a new menu

item, but it's fantastic. Uh, so I did order the grits and then the grits they just never came out.

Yeah. They just never showed up. It was fantastic waffle, so. Yeah. It was. That is what you're going to say, Max. That makes sense. What? I forgot about this whole spiel to be honest with you. And so what did you say? What did you say? And I asked PFT what he ordered and he was like, oh yeah, I got the, I got the hash brown bowl with sausage and then I ordered grits, but they never came out. I was like, you just didn't need to tell me that you ordered something that never came out. So now,

I know why Max is standing in the union that he did before the grit week started on it. Now it's all making a lot of that. Because I was thinking as you said that I was like, oh, that sucks, but that's what you didn't need to tell me that. I asked what you got. Yeah. Yeah. I had thanks a little face dancing around my head. Now we're good. Now it'll make sense. I didn't say that. I just asked. Did not order grits. All right. So then we went to the Saints. Great day with the Saints shout out. Everyone at the

Saints. It was incredible hospitality. Yeah. Kellen more interviews coming up. We also did a couple other interviews that will run next week. Got to see Tyler's shot. Got to throw the ball

“around with Tyler's shot. Max, you were back here between PFT myself, Zach and Hank. I think”

Tyler's shot through us probably 30 to 35 passes. Ball did not touch the ground. Yeah. It was, I can't tell you like catching his spiral is a dream. Is it dream? His balls are even better in person. It's like you can't help but catch it. It lands perfectly, it lands softly. And it's coming in with a good amount of velocity. We had it, but man, he had our hands that all over Chuck's balls. He was great. I would say official stat line 34 for 34. 512 yards. No. Some deep passes. Yeah,

no touch sounds. No touch sounds. He never got the end zone. Do you think we're going to see an

all pro? Yeah, I'll pro year first. No, yeah, because Max wasn't there. Yeah. All pro year floating. Oh, I think that there's definitely something to Zach. So we went to the Saints whole facility that gave us the whole tour. We went to, they have their ice cream machine. Which, what was the, what was the ice cream machine? They had a spaceman machine. Yeah. So we actually looked at that machine and Zach knew right away. He's like, no, this, this machine, listen, he's not going to judge

other man's machine, but we wouldn't buy, we did not buy that machine. We were looking for machines. Zach though said that he could fix that machine in like two minutes, because it was a little soupy. We might have to start setting Jacob and Zach around his like a John Taffer.

“That's what I always heard ice cream machines would be. I love that idea. It doesn't always come”

out so be to start though. So it can come out so be to start. The first color is going to be

soupy. If it's if the machine's not going to have reps, but it was coming through soft all the way through that's more of like a viscosity problem. Yeah. Zach diagnosed it instantly. He's like house. He's like, yeah, I know. I know what's going on here. You'll see. At the office, if the ice cream is soft, if you, if you run like a little bit into a cup, the next ice cream cone will be firm. Yeah. Their machine would just kind of, it's viscosity. He's soft all the way through.

Well, the humidity here is probably going then. It's not a factor or no. I mean, it was 60 degrees in the cafeteria. So I don't know if the humidity was much of a factor, but it was indoors. It was in the morning. They said it's really good. Yeah. Yeah. And we heard that the the owner of the St. She likes the ice cream like a little bit on the softer side. So that's it was actually intentional. So it's not like, you know, different strokes, different folks. What was the different creams for different teams?

And we went, we went to the gym, Ted Rath just went after PFT. It was going to be my fire. Okay. We'll talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And also the St. Davis is a great gift for the office. They gave

laminated card that just said like Drew Breeze all time passing yards. And he held it up and it was

“very funny because it was like, this is all he gets mid game. There's like 8 by 11 sheet of paper. Yeah.”

So they gave us the backup one. They made two. They gave us the backup one. We're going to hang it like a banner, which will look ridiculous because it is just a piece of paper. Maybe like a spotted if you can. Yeah. Right. Right. And I spy if you can even notice it. Yeah. Our office. You probably have to take your phone out and then zoom in on the camera to give it a read it from the ground. Yeah. But yeah. So it is a piece quite literally of NFL history. Yeah. So great great weekend.

Then everyone please watch the vlogs. So if you, your listeners right now Thursday, we dropped the vlog with Friday. We're dropping out. Oh, we're Friday. Okay. We plate portal. So watch it today. Plate portals with us in the backyard. We built a swing set for a swing set in an entire place. So place that for a kid battling cancer. And it was. So we started it. Obviously that entire idea

was a joke where Blake has always talked about wanting to sit on a construction site,

ripsigs, hang out with the guys, throw a football round. And we're like, all right, we'll go to Jackson will do that. Then the people from rock solid hit us up. And they're like, hey, if you're serious about this, could you come help us? Yes, of course. It was awesome. Like it actually felt good to be able to do something like that. The kid loved that he came out and he, you know, went down the slide. And he can't go to the regular park because he's immunocompromised. So it was really cool.

Blake is the man. Watch the vlog. Please help out and donate to rock solid if you can. It's a ROC. Rock solid foundation, great charity. It sounds like they do some really, really awesome work to make a lot of kids happy and some pretty tough times. But that was, it was awesome time out there. Yeah, really what we had volunteers when we were joking like because it was what the four of us Max Blake memes, we even had all, you know, the people we had helping. Okay, he's the

mole K. He's helping. So we had like eight of us. And then there was four volunteers from rock solid. Yeah. If we didn't have the four volunteers from rock solid, it would have, it took us like three

“hours. I think it would have taken. We would still be building. Oh, that's amazing.”

It was. Help. Help. Help. Help. Help. Help. I want to point Max. I just had to raise her hand and ask for an adult. Yeah. And I think everybody that was younger than us. It was quite something. But yeah, really cool that we got to do that. We really appreciate the people from rock solid and do, do donate if you can. We'll put the, we'll post a link on all of our socials. So people can help out. They do awesome job. They say they build like, I think like 350 playgrounds

for kids throughout the year. So they're building one like basically every day. And a lot of these

kids can't go to regular playgrounds. So now they have a place to play outside through a really tough battle and really tough time. Cancer is not fair. Childhood cancer is like, you know, it's just, it's just, you can't comprehend it. So shout out those people. And then also congratulations to Zach for winning the Golden Hammer. Yeah. You got like like the game ball of the console. You also got a graduation. Oh, Max. Oh, no. We're in the whole vlog. A warning to Max. Oh, wait. I also got a goal.

Congratulations. Now I did anyone else get one. Yeah, I got one. Oh, you got one. Yeah. I got one. I was trying to be honest. Actually, you got one. Well, it's like Kell and more. Like I guess we'll get there. But yeah, let's just let's just spoil everything. If you give a one goal hammer, like, I don't know that two or three matters. It's kind of like makes the other one's insignificant. In my opinion, our Golden Hammer team would beat your Golden Hammer team or our non Golden Hammer team would beat

your Golden Hammer team in football, not disagree. Me hand can Blake Portals. Oh, yeah. I forgot. I forgot about that last member there. That's on me. That's on me. He's a golfer now. He says he's on throw anymore. And then shout out to AWS and medicine, Bourbon Street, great meet up. Thank you to Twisted T2. People were having a lot of tweets. It was a great time. And so I brought a game used

Hank to all that was the first. That was all. I signed his death. I signed his ass. You see a lot.

You know, seeing a lot of things over the years, but that was the first time someone brought a chewed up doll of myself. Also when I went to my brother's house in San Diego last week, I got that. Like he had, like, his dog, Mookie just came running out with me. I kind of forgot about it. Love it. It's wonderful. Wasn't expecting it, but when it came running out, I was like, this is ridiculous. Yeah. What are your parents think about the toy? They love it. And they have them. They have

“everyone loves it. Yeah. They like, they put it, I think that sends you the picture. They put it”

as the star of our Christmas tree. That's yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you're loved. You are loved. Yeah. Have you come around on finally? We're now. It's like, yes, it's pretty cool that I have my own dog. It makes me laugh. The picture. It's like, it's still like, it was an insult toy by you. I can find humor in it. And it makes me laugh seeing them in the wild kind of, but it's just ridiculous. I like, I love it when somebody sends me a video of a dog just going to town. Yeah. Yeah. I actually

like it would hit when a kid's also playing with it. Yeah. But it's like a kid's thrown it around.

calendar more and coach over to coach, oh, then calendar more. Listen, calendar more. One of the

funniest moments of great week happened during calendar more interview. I would say one of the funniest moments in great week history. Yeah. Sure. We'll also get to it for fire. Yeah. Yeah. We'll probably talk about a firefest, but you're a firefest. Not my fire. Thank you. Thank you to all behind the scenes people. So Jonah are sound guy all week. Jacob Shane. I'm not going to think memes because of the next to buckle on Tuesday night. And you're also, you're not as much behind the scenes. You're on

your on the scenes too. Caitlyn, the Mokai. He's security guard Mike. It takes like olden. Colton Colton Colton was golden when outside. Colton has just been grinding. Colton. Yeah. Colton. I actually asked him. I was like, did you go outside today on Tuesday? And he's like, yeah, I stepped out for a minute. I was like, did you eat? He's like, yeah, I had a little food. He was just grinding all day

“making sure these interviews is a quick turnaround hotel Wi-Fi and all the vlogs. That's why”

you have to watch the vlogs. He's just been editing every piece of content that we've been doing this

whole week. Amazing work. Yeah. The bus driver that drove this studio. Yeah. Yeah. That at her.

Yep. So a lot of a lot of people behind the scenes helping us put on a good group equals that Zach. No, that we just found this is great work that I'm such a great week that I just get like a little animated with my hands and that's all me. Okay. Sorry about that. Yeah. Yeah. No, you could don't? Don't apologize for your head. I was just excited. It's such a great week. I just got a little excited. What would you do? I didn't see it. I just like, you know, you shout out the bus driver

and you're like, no, we were shouting on everybody. But that one was the bus driver and you were like, yes, yeah. Did you get a chance to meet her? That's all. That's what we're just. What a week. We've had gentlemen. What a week. What a week. And also shout out Brandon from UNC Sawyer from LSU and Grant from the Saints, because I was working with all those guys last month and a half, making sure we could get all the access and they were so, so nice to Alex with the Saints too. Yeah. It's tough.

They, they, they were very awesome to work with. Go back and forth. They made it super easy. Trying to get this all booked. So I appreciate their help. And yeah, it was like seamless.

“What are you going to say, Max? You're going to say something. I, I don't, I don't remember.”

Okay. Good. Good point, Max. All right. Sorry. Let's get to Coach Joe next start. We're going to do Coach Joe. Then we're going to do Kellon Moore and finish with Fire Fest the week. Coach Joe's brought to you by our friends at Chevy. This is a truck. This is a truck. Cut. Hey, you wouldn't do stupid shit all week dude. I didn't want stupid thing. I didn't say anything. You did. You steered it. You did your stupid face. All right. Okay. Hey. He wasn't saying anything.

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we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. We could not come to Louisiana, Baton Rouge, New Orleans without seeing our good friend, Coach, Coach, great to have you. It's grit week and it's presented by Twisted Tea. We've actually this question before, but we got to start with it again. Maybe I'll ask it this way. Has your definition of grit changed at all and if so, how has it changed? Not at all. You know, grit is, is be able to face

adversity, dig in deep, scrape your face against the cement when it's tough, full of blood, facing adversity and coming out of victory. I love that. I love that. So how is it like we've been here for 24 hours? We've been here a bunch and it's awesome that we have you here because you were one of our first very big guests on grit week. We've been doing this for 10 years.

Louisiana, is everyone just always wet? It feels like it's just wet. I've changed three

shirts today. I've had to take two different showers. It's just wet all the time. Yeah, love the sweat. You know what? It's got to be your friend because you got to get used to it. Yeah, 'cause when you come to Tiger Stadium, it's humid. Yeah. And listen, we have a saying down here that he does all friend. And in order to be all friend, we have to spend a lot of time with it. Yep. Yep. I got to spend more time with that. I got to get used to it. Yeah, so Ray Baker the Sun,

and then I don't know what we're going to call the humidity, but yeah, you get used to it. You'll be good with it. It's like a steamer. Yeah, it is a steamer. We stop by Mike the Tiger's pen on the way, show, you know, I had a respect, want to say out of Mike, and talk to Coach Kiff and he hasn't met

“Mike the Tiger yet. And I feel like that's something that you have to do, has had Coach”

at Louisiana. So you have to look Mike the Tiger in the eyes and develop a mutual respect or

at least, show that bond. Spend some time with him. Yeah. So do you remember the first time

that you locked eyes with Mike the Tiger? Yeah, you know, I remember we had some recruits. And I was actually working on the Coach Mouse. And he had a deal where he knew the person that would feed the Tiger. So we got to go in there and feed the Tiger. So we were all meeting, see how he racked it off the roll. It was pretty good. So it became friends with you and associated you with. Yeah. Yeah. You're the first violence. Yeah. Yeah. We also brought up the, I was asking

a story about, I don't know if you remember this, the Tennessee Alabama game when you were coaching with Coach Kiff and getting the team fired up before that game. Because that was a big game at the time. And it was, who was it that blocked the, it was a block kick? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a big, big, what was the main goal. Yeah. Yeah. He took his helmet off. Should have been a penalty. Yeah. It's a bit of a penalty. But the story goes that you, you smashed a projector

before to get the boys fired up. Yeah. But I was something like that. How many times, how many things you think you've smashed before? Because obviously it worked. You have a national title. You're a very accomplished head coach. And also I would say the one of the best motivators just being around you, the little bit I have, one of the best motivators I've ever seen. But would it, would it be like, hey, we need this game. So I'm going to smash, like, would it go up in size, like, depending on

“how important the game was? You know, no question. Yeah. So what with it? What's something small”

and then what's something like, all right, this is the biggest game of the season. Yeah, you know, what are the things I used to like to do is get up a bunch of sharks attacking people, blood, you know, and it's him attack and tear legs off and stuff like that. And have, have like a deepest of linemen going after quarterback. And then you see the shark attacking the person and deepest of linemen going after quarterback. Yeah. What a video. Yeah, video. I'm sure to show the team

right before the game. This is who we are. This sort of quarterback is, and this is what we want to look like. And it's your shark. Be a shark. Be a shark. Be a shark. Yeah. I like that a lot. So what have you been up to? I feel like it's been a while since we talked to you. You're back here in

Baton Rouge, which is amazing. I mean, I feel like this is you're still a king. You'll always be a king

in this city. But what, what have you been up to these days? You know, first of all, I had all three of my boys in the college football playoffs. Wow. My twin boys, I toured Miami and won the two lane. Yeah. And man, I went to I went to all the games I could and believe me, I saw some great games. I love the college football playoffs. There was some great games. And you know, so I get to see how I stayed playing for the first time. I can see Ole Miss and you know,

Miami played. I got to see the championship game. Yeah. Yeah, I watched my son in two lane. And I just saw some great players as great teams. And then after that, I moved back here. I've been with my boxing trainer. I go box every, uh, choose the Wednesday and Thursday morning for 9 to 11. Yeah.

more. If you want to come, you'll more. I think we're out on morning. Yeah. I'm more of a yoga guy.

“I'm myself. Yeah. I think you know, there's a big brain on board. But anyway, I really been enjoying”

coming home. I've, uh, I've been a lot of events. Uh, I've been the LSU baseball game for the first time.

I had a company. I brought them around. We saw coach Griffin. We went towards the facility. But I went to Tiger Stadium for the first time. And, uh, so it was good to be back. Yeah. That's great. So you, you, you spent a lot of time around the Miami football program this year. Yeah. Um, you're a defensive line guy. Tell me about that defensive line. It just how, how intense and how violent they were because, yeah, they were, they were so impressive to me. Yeah, they were.

And, uh, you know, that's what Mary will build that team around. And, uh, bane and mezzodoro for nominal football players, even better workers. And Jason did a great job of coaching them. I thought they got better as the season went on. I thought, uh, and, and bane's a house state game. He started, he started revenue up a little bit. Yeah. Those guys took, took over the playoffs. And it was great to see, especially their past profitability unbelievable. Do you, as someone who

knows defensive line as well as you do? Do you, do you take any credence in, like, the NFL scouting bane and being like, oh, his arms are too short. It's like, hey, man, this guy could ball. It doesn't matter. Yeah. A baller's a baller. It, like, just let him play. You know,

“remember they told Joe burrow his hands with too small. You remember that? Yeah. Yeah.”

His hands are too small. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think I think that could be overstated. Sometimes it's right. Sometimes it's wrong with this guy. He's a football player. He's a baller. I don't know why he dropped the tempo bane. I thought he's going to go top 10. Uh, but I thought tempo bane did a great job of drafting him. He's in a great place. I think he's having a great career. How, so when we're talking about the NFL draft, and it's interesting

because it feels like a lot of times, a lot of these guys are very similar in trades and production and it kind of comes down to like who loves football and who loves football to a level that's going to take to be good in the NFL. How long do you think it would take you to sit with someone before you can disterm and like that's a guy who loves footballer. That guy doesn't love football. Two minutes two minutes. See team should hire you. Honestly, that would be incredible.

If you just went around and just, yeah, you're just just talking to me about ball and I'll find out very quickly. I'm fine. I'll use it. Do we, we love football? Yeah. Love us. Yeah. All right. Well, I came here. I'm trying to talk to y'all. You know, checking the scores or something. Yeah. I don't know what's playing right now. You'll change the score. No, we do. We do absolutely love football. It's throughout the last few years since you've been out of the game. Did you fall out of

lovable or did you never? Are you coming back? You love it more? Oh my, always. Not always

going to be in ball football. Somehow. You'll get my three boys coach and I go to practice every Tuesday at Miami. Sometimes I go to Tulane. I go to Game Mill Saturday. If I'm not in the game, I'm watching football from Saturday morning till the fall sick on the sofa. So, and I'm keeping it up with it all. Yeah, you know, I get up. No, I got it. You know, when I was young, I used to get up and look at looking at the Twitter machine. Yeah, I look at nice heroes. No, no, no, no, look at football and

TikTok. I told you. I said tonight, I want to use all the balladdy machine at 1 o'clock in the morning. I know I'm getting old. Is it so Mario did an incredible job with this Miami team? Feels like he has everything in that program going in the right direction. What is it like it must feel very, it must feel awesome to see a guy who you knew way back when he was a player to have this type of success. And like, what is that? When you're watching some of the guys that

you've touched throughout the years, so happy. Look, he's been around some great coaches,

he's learned, but I've been with him since his first day of practice. Right. And I saw him change

that roster and get better and better and better in the size of the line. His office of line Jesus, he's got to go and he built that team after Miami Blueprint on defense, but after his blueprint on office, he wants to be big and smash my football look. The thing about, you know, paying players and transfer portal and NIO, you hear none of that in Miami. When you go out the practice, Mario's the head coach, everybody's got it. Everything's in line, so pecking order,

yes, sir, no, sir, and they practice it and you don't hear none of that BS and they practice

“of Miami football team. That's what I'm most proud of. Yeah, that's cool. Over the years since you've”

seen so much football, I hear a lot of coaches sometimes talk about different positions that they coach, some say, you know, the positions are being taught differently. Some might not think that, you know, they're being taught as well as they were back in the day. What do you see from the defensive line? Like as defensive line play, has it gotten consistently better over the years? I see

going to jump in that thing that day that right now. You know, but they know I'm there, but, you know, Miami's got some great defensive line coaches and I really like the way they coach, tooling. I think tooling did a great job. Of course, you know, defensive line now. I don't, I see it's own TV. Some guys don't know how to play blocks well. You know, I see some teams getting to players getting double team, get knocked out of the gap, not play with great

technique. So I can't see it. I see everybody playing with great technique. And I'm not going to say what team, but they piss me off when I see it. Is there one guy that you've seen over the course of your career coaching? Like the most dominant defensive line that you've had a chance to be around? Uh, oh, oh, every, anything else on. Yeah. Yeah. You know, when sap, when sap,

took off in the stance, this would you hurt. It's like a snake. I never heard that about it. All right,

“I didn't tell him about it or not. Yeah. That's how fast he was. Yeah. Like they might, he was”

265 and he ran a four. No, he's 275 and ran a 465 40 and he was mean as hail. Yeah. But he, not sap. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He got it now. Yeah. Yeah. I'm saying. Uh, so we're here at LSU. It's different here. It really is like if you, if you've never been here, go to a game. It's different. Your, your guy laying kiffens now the head coach. Have you given him any advice on like what it is like here? And the culture because it is, it's there's certain schools and certain jobs that are just

completely different than the rest of, you know, 100 other jobs. And I, I count LSU is one of him. I'm sure you would agree. Embrace the state of Louisiana and it's people use it as it, their, your advantage. Recruit them, love them, keep them involved. And when you walk down that tiger walk in their 30,000 people, you're feeling going to be that high. But when you walk out that little tunnel, that little square that looks, that's so small. And you walk in there as a 100,000

people screaming at the top of their loan is the energy level that you have never thought before,

use it as your advantage for your team. Recruit them every day. Right. Yeah. That's good advice. 'Cause it is. It just feels like this state in this program. They're so intertwined in a way that maybe Ohio state, maybe Alabama. But other than that, there's just not a lot of places like this. And, and look, we don't own a big school in the state. Right. So I really know everybody's

“watching the Tigers. Now you guys are there in the Super Bowl. Yeah. You remember that energy?”

Oh, yeah. You remember when we pulled up that that's that Super Bowl, that was 300 people in front of the bus out of the Mary. I didn't want to let us leave. Yeah. So we go Tigers. Yeah. And then when we pulled up there, it was a, it was a, it was a energy that you just, you just can't match that other places. Maybe Alabama. Maybe, maybe somewhere else, but right here, we had only big school in the state. Yeah. And actually, you know what the funny thing is?

'Cause we were at the Super Bowl for the National Championship game and incredible game. When, when I tell people to come to Death Valley and come on a Saturday night, I actually tell them, we went to a game when you guys lost 28 nothing to, or maybe 29 nothing to Alabama. And that pregame and even in the first quarter and the second quarter, it was still so God damn loud. Yeah. And you guys had nothing going on office. That was the year before the year.

Yeah. And it's like that told me everything. It wasn't when you're on the top. It's when you're, you're still climbing and people are still going nuts and crazy for you.

“And that's, that's what I was, that's what I told them. Look, recruit them.”

They're going to be there for you, thick and thin. The guy before it didn't do it. And you cannot disassociate yourself with these people because this is their lives. Now look, rich poor in different North Louisiana, South Louisiana, all, all work, rich man. They are all the same. And look, those cooks. And those people are working on offshore. They're pulling for them tigers, man. Yeah. Yeah. And then let's do it on the radio.

They watch it on TV. They bent on it. That's their life. Yeah. Have you gone back and watched

that championship game? You know, I, I, I've never watched the whole thing. Yeah, every once in a while,

I watch, like, Vincent Peaches, like, to have it on the internet stuff, like, yeah, I watched your more chase eating that corner back up. Yeah. Yeah. You, you should do that some time. It would be fascinating. You should, what you should do is you should watch it. And you should sit there with a, with a microphone and a recorder and just give your thoughts as the game goes on, relive it, put yourself back in those shoes because at, at the, sorry, it wasn't,

yeah, you guys ended up blowing them out, but at the, at the beginning, it was a little back and forth. It was a little dicey. I don't know how you felt at the time, but I, in the stands, I was nervous watching because I wanted you guys to win so much. And at the very beginning, you know, it wasn't,

and we, and what happened is we should have never took that penalty. We didn't want to take the

penalties of mistake. And we, we gave him five more yards. And, no, no, no, we put him five yards back so they can put, put the ball on the, like, minus three yard line. And they will bless us. They will come in and we couldn't pick it up. And I remember saying this, and they actually made this about Joe Brady, but, oh, by the way, I think about for little bills. Yeah, right. I got a great coach. Okay. And they actually made this, tell me something about Joe. I said, well, you know,

obviously helps put it in the spread, but we lose it against Clemson. And I'm about to lose my shit. I'm, I'm not happy. What the hell is going on at Joe Brady? God on the head says, hey, like stick to their plan. We're all right. And you know what, that made me feel good. Because somebody on the other side had enough confidence, tell the head, go there. We're all right, just calm down. We're going to make it. And he's right. Yeah, I'd love to hear your thoughts.

“And you should watch it again because it was an amazing game. And, you know, especially the second”

half of you guys just turned it on. It was so much fun to watch. You should go back and watch that.

If for no other reason, then to just be like, you know, that was an amazing time. It was the

end of state football history. I have a question about, because you're right, Peter, I've had a question about a different game because that game back and forth, the game before that, against Oklahoma, has enough time pass that you can admit that like in the first quarter, you're like, this is going to be fucking easy. What? Peter, high school team. You know, I actually became a fan. I was on the sidelines going, go, Joe, go. Wow. You know, you had a culture, you're every play,

you know, you're ever, you're tensed like that. You're like, hey, look at that, look at this shit, hey guys, do you see that play? Wow, you can't play, Joe, just play. And in Justin Jefferson, make a cover. Yeah. Plus, I'll be playing very well too. Yeah, 63, 28. And you guys were up 49,

“14 and half time. Yeah. That's, yeah, that's, that's time to just be like, hey, because both”

coaches will say, and they'll be like, oh, no, I gotta play to the last one. That was a game, watching on TV. I was like, this is just not, they're just no one's on their level right now. You guys are just playing in a different level. It's not fair. Yeah, and you know, and you're right, they get, look, as a coach, you rarely want to say that, but they'll sometimes, you've got to say, you know, look at this shit. Wow. That game definitely deserves that. Yeah. Yeah, we got them.

So how are things right now between you and Louisiana State? Great. All the terms, everything's good. Great. Go ahead. I assume the people just love you feel I love when you come to see even more. Yeah, even more says that says it allows the buckle. Yeah, we're true.

What were your honest thoughts when he went out on that basketball court the very first time?

It's over. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not only the fans here, the players see that. Yeah. And they're like, yeah, what was that? You know, what, what are the things, and you guys know this man? The players got to trust you. You got to be who you are, and you've tried to be somebody you ain't, they don't smell it right away. Yeah, I don't think anyone ever had that question about you and about about your love for the university. So with Joe

Bernie, we're big fan of his to love Joe. That was kind of a role of the dice that you took when you had co-offensive coordinators, right? Like, no one knew that was going to work out. What was it about Joe that made you confident that it's going to be a good match between him and and Burrell?

“Look, I think I thought you guys just before. I made a 10 on the ACTO, okay?”

10? 10? You didn't tell us that. So did you spell your name correct? Yeah, I got it. All right. But I got to think of a situation awareness that I'll trade that in for anything. Yeah. And I can walk in a room, I can figure shit out. You know, I was in the borrowers when I was 15 years old. It was in. Yeah. And you know, you learn a lot of those borrowers. It's true, though, what you're saying and I completely agree is like knowing you could be the smartest person in the world. But if you

don't have any sense of where your blind spots on, you can look like a fool, where someone who might not be the smartest person in the world, if they know where their where their blind spots are, they have the self-awareness to realize that, that person goes farther. The plan. And so we we wanted to learn the RPOs. And he was at Penn State with the guy that was at Mississippi State and he knew it. And when you some guys at the science, I was in the science school, Schmacher at the

State, and he said, "Look, Joe knows the RPOs. He's bringing them over." So we did some personal deal. And I walked in the room and he was on the board and it took me about two minutes and I said, "You know what? This guy's special. I want him to must have." And say, "Not anybody." And as the season went on, that game, twenty, twenty-nine nothing. I wanted to

give it to Steve. Because without him, it wouldn't work. I wanted to see us as Steve.

“I've been mistaken. I thought we had to match Alabama's physicality. As it's Steve,”

let's go to the spread. He goes, "You know what? You're right." I said, "I got somebody to condition." Or you will. Or you accept it to learn it and let us let him teach it. And let's totally go into it. Because with Joe, I know with Joe, Jomor and the guys that we have, he's going to be great. He said, "Yeah. We hired Joe Brady and offward one." That's genius. Because then next year, you have the game in Alabama to a verse Joe Burrow that was just a

shootout. And it was like, "You guys beat Alabama the way that they had started, started to beat everyone else." One of my favorite times, besides the one assumption, you know, on Thursday night, coaches go home, you know, we wore out of Go home, six o'clock, about Joe Burley. Joe Burley is going to sit in there and he's going to watch every NFL touchdown in the red zone and study it

“and come up with maybe an extra game plan. And I got to work about six o'clock that morning”

and Joe was just leaving the office. And this is all he told me. Coach, I got him. Yes. And he had him. I mean, I mean, that three-level route we rent the Clyde and then zone after the interception. That's all saving the scratches in his head. And I got all the respect

in the world for Coach Saban. When we were slicing and dicing in Alabama, I never seen

our guys that wide open. I'm like, "Look at this shit, man." Wow. And he had. He did. Yeah, he seems like he's, uh, he's set up for success too because Josh is obviously a great quarterback and he's been working with him for the last few years, so excited to see what he does. Leading and seeing, would you see Adam in terms of leadership qualities where he could, you know, take that next step to not just be coordinator, but, uh, you know, command respect on all sides of the

ball. You know, uh, he said this and, and just like myself, you know, it takes a while. Peacare told me, you're going to find out who you are, who you are as a man, who you are as a coach. What you do well. He said, Eddie, do that. He said, the thing that you don't do well?

“How are people to do it? Just as well as you? That's what I mean.”

Now, I'm more related recruited, toughness, defensive mind. Joe's going to coach the all-fasc. He got a great defensive coordinator. I think I think the guy from Wisconsin is going to do a great job with him, but I do believe he's going to delegate, but Joe, Joe understand that he's going to set the standard and hold a standard up high, give everybody their job and hold him accountable. And I do believe he's going to hold him accountable. Yeah, he learned from the best when it comes

to motivating. What did you do? Did you have like a special motivational plan that you put in place the night before the championship game? I feel like that's, that's got a way heavy on

your shoulders. It's like, this is the biggest stage of the mall. And everyone knows that you always

bring the energy and you're going to do something like, what was that like game planning or something? Yeah. Yeah. Like, what were the options that did you have different things that you thought of going to that week? Yeah. Yeah. Man, when that night before is the motivational speech, you know, the man I walked in there is Bruce Thomas in there. Everybody's in there. I'm in God. And they all look at me like the coaches are looking at me. And one of the things I've

there, I got to tell you on this before them. Coach Carroll did this with us. We were playing Michigan and we were riding this Mercedes on a Friday and he could tell we was up tight. He got we were going to proud best of the game anymore. It's already done because it's got to go to do it. I want to guarantee you guys, Coach, well, we were going to proud best of the game. And we had like 12 sides. But he gave us that confidence here. So we had gone and I made with

double 20, you know, that those little fire and side chats, whatever they had, you know. And double got to ask me a question. And I was like a double question. Not how you tackle eight or another somewhere. And he goes, uh, well, uh, we couldn't you do me a favor and not play Joe. And I almost said, I was like, I'm playing a playing with the fourth quarter anyway. I'm going to play, but so, so I did, you know, but yeah, no, so I get in the staff meeting and look,

is the day before the championship game and you know, I'm, I'm, I'm all right. I'm, I know we're going to and I, I walk in there and Steve has been in the staff, the staff's looking at it like we look at Coach Carroll. I told them, sorry, they started live. I said, they got, I almost said they're going to play Joe in the fourth quarter, it gave all the confidence. So I went in there tonight. I said, well, we're going to play our best game tomorrow. Why shouldn't we? We've done it 14 games in a row.

great coaches. Guys, it's already written. Let's go get it done. But we've got to get it done. And everybody in the room just like, don't just relax. That's like, yeah, let's go. Right. Right. Love it. Do you miss being able to motivate guys like on a daily or weekly basis? Because if you ever want to just motivate us, you can. You could just call us up and just give us a little, you know, hey, you're going to run through a brick wall for this podcast. I like that. You know what?

Well, I do notice that it just right. And the humidity is really hot out there. We could go and sort of go and do something. Get awesome. You're up and down the field. Like run some town games, some eggs games. You're making sure that we mentally short for the game. Yeah. Yeah. I just retired from running a couple weeks ago. So we can't get you that. Are you still running? You go for your job. You drive everything.

“You're in the box and you have to do it all, man. Are you Benching? You Benching? I got to tell you”

a man. I wish in 2015, I tore my rotate across and I haven't been sent. So I'm doing the stupid little

cable curve over my get everybody else at home. But I never want to get operate on my fence. Oh,

my rotate across. So I think it will get on recovery. That's like a nine months recovery from a solace. I don't want to walk around southeast like this. No. Yeah. No, that's a vibe killer. Yeah. Absolutely fine killer. What hurt my neck? When you do, do you still go back down to where you're from in Southern Louisiana? Do you ever still go visit and stuff? Always. Yeah. What's it like down there? I mean, always back to my roots. Yeah. Do you still have people like,

I mean, I'm sure people are tremendously proud of you down there. Yeah. You know, I have my, my brother's there. My mother's there. She's 84 years old. She's still the same. I'm like, eight o'clock in the fall, fall from the tree. The other time we go, she's going to cook two pots of food. You know, we got to go eat. I go right by my high school. I take my wife down there. She hasn't been down there with me. Go out on the ground now. I go see my friends and none of

they we had a recognition party for one of my old coaches. Bobby, he was there. We're all there. The boys were there. They were drinking at 10 o'clock in the morning and they were drinking at 10 o'clock at night when I was just having fun. But you know, I've been more involved in the community things down here than I ever have and I enjoy that's awesome. When you go back, do people like

make fun of you and say that you've lost a little bit of your accent? Never. Okay, because that would

be funny if like it's just even thicker accent to, you know, if they've been big, come on, so we started talking French and it's all over there. Do you have something in French? What are those? I almost didn't get a bitch. They're going to visit them all over there, do you? You know what he's so crawfish? I was the crawfish. That's awesome. Yeah, I mean Louisiana is such a

“cool state because it really is, I tell people like, if you want to go, you could basically”

take a vacation outside of America in America. When you go to New Orleans or you go to different places, it's just the culture is so unique and different. It's awesome. You know, that's what makes this state is the people. Look, they don't come here to see the mosquitoes, they admittedly analogators because they're the people of the culture. Yeah, and you know, I actually, you know, bad rouges right here, but not Louisiana is different. And then you go all the way to New Orleans

and you all is like a different country. Yeah, and then you go down where I'm from, that's totally different than anything else. So there's a lot of things to experience here, but I think it's what the people, the people make it, but Elishu makes the state of Louisiana. Yeah, get everybody loves the Elishu Tigers. Does this, like Southern Louisiana where you're from, do you guys like spicier food or any, like, what do you, what do you look at Northern Louisiana as you know, like,

you guys don't do this correctly? Well, you know, Northern Louisiana, uh, they're, I don't know what to school in North Louisiana. I like it. I like the people of there, but they got a twang, they got a different accent, they don't have a cage in accent, they don't speak French, they don't cook a rule like we're doing, don't bowl like we do kind of like Southern Arkansas food or Southern food,

“like that, they just live a different, but they're always in them. Yeah, yeah, I think it's a friendly”

state. Like everybody here has always been, always been so nice to us and we absolutely love it.

So if you're looking at, if you're looking at, like, Shreeveport, what's, what's city in Louisiana, would Shreeveport be like the biggest rival for? Shreeveport? Yeah. Biggest rival, like, you're looking at Shreeveport, Rustin, Monroe, all that, uh, uh, i20 corridor, right there, and then you, you also look at that, that's the architect, too. You got Arkansas, Louisiana, and Texas,

What's part of the best football, is Shreeveport? No, no, just in Louisiana. In Louisiana, or definitely yours. Yeah. There's more schools than the more present yours, it's great,

but in our bad roots, it's got some great teams, uh, Rustin, Monroe, I've always had

a national state championship, great players there, but you're looking at the more football players come from Shreeveport. There ever be a, uh, I would assume this happened, but like a recruit,

“like five star recruit in Louisiana that you didn't even have to do anything. You should”

just show up and be like, you're, you're a tiger, and he know, like, because that, that is something different in this state, where there are kids that it's not even an option. It's just their tiger, 80%. Yeah. Guys, my mom, hey, that's what I should say. 99% of the young man that will born in the state of Louisiana, at some time or another, want to run through them, go post. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm saying, yeah. He's got to recapture it. Yeah. So I imagine that you still,

do you have the, the, the edge to get out there and recruit again? Uh, I, uh, I do some recruiting. I, I've been actually calls from people and really, like, like before signing day or something like that. Hmm. In fact, we had a couple of guys about ready to flip and, uh, I knew their families and

they didn't flip. Yeah. The closer. Yeah. Yeah. You are the closer. I mean, we said it the first time

we met you. It is really cool that you're doing this because I don't, I think the first time we had John, it was early grit, it was the third or fourth grit week and it was such a big, we can't

“think you're not because it really was like a big moment for the show. Help that. That's why you”

on the show. What was your first impression of us? Were you like, who the fuck are these guys? No, you know, talented, don't know what, but they're good guys. You know, and really, situation awareness, I felt good people. And, you know, you don't come in there, begging for not accidents for nothing. You understand what it's, yeah. I mean, and we like to fit in, you know, for, you know, sports people know the code. And once you know the code and you know how

to act, you know, go around people, you guys get the code. Yeah. It's cool. Now, some guys don't get the code better. They're not blessed with it. We're blessed with the code. Yeah, I love it. We get the code. That's the fucking the one guy that I get the code. He's not here right now. Yeah, thanks. He actually doesn't get the code for skipping the coach. Oh, no, he doesn't, but maybe he does get the code because he knew that he would not get the code, and it wouldn't be good for him right here. Right. He's

“the selfless. We were not going to talk about the code and we'd like to do it if you have to.”

Yeah, you can't afford it. You can't afford the code. Yeah. We have a new guy. I don't think that you've met yet Coach O. I think he, I think he knows the code. Yeah, I guess we'll find out. Should we give it a shot? Well, let me do the rowback question. Are you show BACK dot com promo code take 20% off your

first purchase cues. It's Polo's hoodies jogger shorts rowback dot com promo code take I'm wearing

right now. Coach O has done some rowback stuff. Mm-hmm. So he loves rowback as well. All right, Zach. Coach, how are you doing? I'm a man. Oh, no. Don't bother. I was curious, as someone who's able to go into a program on such a stage like LSU, if you had any words in a vice for like a younger coaches looking to kind of who have those same aspirations that want to go in and make an impact with the team. I, uh, what advice are young coach going to work early? Keep your mouth shut.

Take notes. Listen. Find the winners on the staff. I found Jimmy Johnson. And I'll listen to every word Jimmy Johnson said and wrote notes and you know, the the impact of my team of this 2019 team all started with a smart quarterback. And I learned that from Coach Johnson. So the things as a young coach that you will learn, you will later be able to implement those things when you get your chance. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Coach, Coach, with the with the tell us your

Tigers being such a, uh, you know, like the the team is ingrained in the city. It's, you know, if like, like you're saying a little bit earlier, like whether it's the gentleman's flying the planes or the cooking and gumbo in the in the restaurants, they come together with one common thing and that is the team. Right. Did you know right away that you were going to be at the forefront of that and having to have to produce for the people of the city? Or is that something you kind of

came into and adopted? Hey, I was born with it. Okay. I was ready to say Louisiana. Nobody ever had to tell me about the expectations of LSU. I got it. God, you know, I saw it. I saw it from my home. I saw it from my mother, grandma, I saw it from coaches and I understood that everybody was LSU. You don't say, but I knew that the people wanted to be involved. They wanted to be part of and then when you when you got them to be a part of, they fight my kick for you and that's

what I did. I felt like we pulled the whole state together. Good job. Great job, Zack. Yeah,

team. Hey, plus. Oh, I mean, maybe you know, sir. Thank you very much. He might be pushing out of asking this coach. Have you ever had a prom sleeping in? Missing alarms. How's it

what? Have you ever had a prom sleeping in? Or have you always been able to wake up on time?

Look, man. I'm in some nice. Yeah. Walk straight up the stairs. I was going to show up. Yeah. I was going to show. I was always going to show up work. He's fixing it. No way. I wasn't going to show up. Or now if I went to bed at 10 to 11 o'clock in the morning, we're going to have a five with no problem. Yeah. Not when I used to come in at 4 or 30, we're going to have a five.

“You should be a little problem. Absolutely. That's what we can be. Yeah. That's what we're moving”

to that side. We're working on it. Yeah, but he's he's going to fix. I actually, I just got a text from Booker McFarlane. Yeah. He says hello. He says that he just hung out with you in in Mobile a few weeks ago. He's a big fan of yours. Bookers are great guy, too. You know, he was putting

a whole thing. Say you're both a whole thing. Okay. And now I've always been proud of Booker. I just

I love it. Yeah. It's quickness some of Louisiana. I always represented it. But the way he speaks, he's so smart and so articulate. He just represented the people of Louisiana in an elite way. Yeah, great guy. Yeah. Well, Coach O. We love having you on your an integral part of our show. You're in the book. Thank you again for writing a chapter in the book. And we really appreciate your friendship. Well, we're family guys. Whatever y'all need me. I'm

there. Whatever I need y'all. I know I can call in y'all. But I want to congratulate y'all on the success that you've had. But I will say this. I saw Joe Barron on it. But all the success he has,

“he's never changed. He needs to have y'all. You're the same guys, man. But that's what makes”

y'all unique. And I will be the same guy every day. I ain't changing. For nobody, I'm going to be me. I'm going to teach my kids to be me. And you guys are a living a great life and I'm proud of y'all. Thank you so much. We appreciate it. And you're your damn right. Whatever you need, we got your back on. I don't know what you could possibly need for us. It doesn't matter. We got it. We got it. And we'll figure out a way to make it happen. You got it. No problem. You need to

worm. You need to get your worm. I'll get your worm. So you put in your mouth for a pump-up speech, we get your worm. I thank you, man. But I gotta say the things that we did, they did in January. It went viral, man. It was all over the world. The worm was incredible. Pulling a worm out of your mouth for a pump-up speech. All right. Thanks so much Coach O. Thank you, guys. Coach O was brought to you by our great friends over at Reese's. That's a Reese's. Thank you.

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of the New Orleans Saints, Kellan Moore. Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. It is head coach of the New Orleans Saints, Kellan Moore. And it is great week presented by Reese's. So coach, thank you for joining us. Let's start with a question we ask everyone on grit week. What does the word grit mean to you? Appreciate you having me. grit. I think we use this word

tough around here a lot. I think there's some similarities. We always say be your best

regardless of the circumstance. Okay. I think it ties the grit. But your best, there's good days, there's bad days. You got to hang in there and you got to keep going. Yeah, I like that. It's a good answer. You got some good days. You used to some bad days last year. Like first season as a head coach.

“You know, you have to kind of leave your mark on the organization and kind of mold it into”

the way that you see things. What's the biggest change that you see after being here for a full season going to year two now? Yeah. I just think we have awesome guys, awesome locker room for us to kind navigate the season that we had last year. There's a lot of guys that would it be really hard on. And our guys stuck with them, stuck with each other the entire time. I mean, I think we're one and eight at one point going to Carolina in the division game. And our guys are still having fun

and getting better each week. And I felt like we finished the right way. We finished with the the sights, you know, with where we can take this thing. Yeah. We've we've asked Sean McVay this because we've had him on a few times and when he was hired, he was very young in his 30s,

I'm also kind of some of you guys, I'm your, you know, I was playing against you or, you know, like, I know, like, especially some of the guys have been came Jordan, like, you know, you were in the league at the same time as him. Is that difficult to get through? I think I'm getting to the tail end of it. Okay. Seven. So I'm like, okay, a couple of these guys are still hanging around, which is awesome. Good for those guys. When I was younger, I was a coordinator in Dallas at 31 and

shoot half the offense of room. I played with two years before that. It was a unique deal. And, you know, I'm playing with Dak and the next thing you know, you're coaching that room. And so

“it was a lot of fun. Can I give you a tip? I think you got to go mustache. Can you grow a mustache?”

I try. I, I, I like to call it the Paul Pierce because remember when he was, I'm kind of familiar with that. I can't get a face. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to, you know, it's in a tough spot. Okay. Turkey, they actually do the, the transplants for your face and Turkey where they can give you some, might be some consider. That could be good. I told us about that. I probably shouldn't say that on there. I'm sorry Sean. Yeah. But he's facing direction. I get the face injections for that.

Yeah. But listen, this is what being a coaching NFL is like, you have to, you have to look for any competitive advantage, right? No doubt. So Turkey, let's do it. We actually do a series called bald stool where we send a bunch of our guys from the office and some of the stoolies to Turkey to get hair transplants. I'm going to say right now, full trip paid for if you'd like to go just

where, let's do a little bit. Let's do a little bit. Yeah. You know, you always like die the

sides to gray. You can go prematurely gray. Like just put that on yourself like a reverse paper, you look. Yeah. It might be good. It might be nice. I've got kind of a real question for you about like the different dynamic. You obviously go from being an offensive coordinator. Yeah. Now you're head coach. There's a dynamic between the OC and the head coach. The thing is really

“interesting, especially for you because it's ideally it should be the same job. And I think 99% of”

the time you guys are in alignment for what you want to do as an OC versus what you want to do as a coach. Yeah. But there are sometimes where as a head coach, I know in the past you've had some sometimes where maybe the coach wants to run the ball more and you want to throw the ball more. And there's a bigger kind of like game plan that you're looking at from a head coach's perspective. And that doesn't always work from what the OC is always trying to do. But now, now as a head coach,

is that ever in conflict? Do you see it from a different perspective now? I think you see the whole perspective a little bit more just from a defense perspective because when you're an OC, you're on the sideline kind of getting ready for the next drive. And when you're the head coach, you're out there watching the whole thing. I think my experience has been awesome. I've been with a bunch of head coaches that were all offensive mindset coaches. And so there's a lot of fun.

I think our goal always was ultimately my job was to create an offense in the identity of the

head coach. And so us working together. And so I got to experience that in a couple of different spots. Just fun. And so now you kind of get to see the whole perspective. You see how the defense, you know, there's times where I had defense on the field for a long time, probably going no huddles, probably not the best idea. You know, coming out of the gates and so you kind of got to pick and choose your battles there. Yeah. I think that was a fair criticism of

you when you were younger that you didn't take that into consideration when you were, uh,

“call on the place. I think you always get to grow. You should never experience. Get to learn from”

those, those times. I think, uh, you know, in Dallas and Philly, you know, we played a lot of different styles. You know, Philly ran the ball of time and Dallas. We probably threw it a lot. And, uh, you find something in the middle. Just for the record, I thought that that criticism was bullshit. It was like, it was like, you know, yeah, color word is a great off it. He's scoring a ton of points. You should say thank you. Yeah. We're still around the ball, though. We had Z Contelney who

was about it. I don't know. Whoa. I didn't say which I coach said it. Yeah. It had been anybody. In, in Philly the Super Bowl year, uh, did it feel, I mean, I don't know how to ask this question. Cheating is the wrong word, but did it feel like you were on easy mode when Sakewon would just rip like 60 yard touchdowns? Would you call that? We were like, hey, you know, let's do the 60 yard touchdown play. It's going to feel like it was every week. The best is, yeah, I mean,

got to point where we're rushing at 40 times the game. I mean, it was just a matter of, if we get 40 rushes, we'll probably win. Uh, you know, defense playing really good football and, you know, Jalen and AJ and Smitty, you know, kind of when we needed to get some passing games off, go when we did it. And, um, I think my favorite play was the snow touchdown by Sakewon. Yeah. Because that play pretty much was drawing up in the dirt on the sideline by Sakewon.

I'm just like, just give me this run play and we'll make it work. And, uh, I think there's an unblock eye and Sakewon made a miss and, you know, he's running down the sideline. It was pretty cool. That is cool. So how much is it like, as OC and now head coach, how much are you, like, listening to the players? Because obviously you have a idea in your head of like, hey, this is what we want to do this. We want to attack. But then when they come to the sideline,

or they say, hey, we got to do this. And then you're, you're putting that into your game plan and changing it, or it's like, hey, no, let's just keep doing what I have planned and going forward.

I think the goal is a collaboration, because ultimately these guys are the guys performing on the

field. And, uh, my experience is if someone's really convicted about something and says, hey,

a way to make it happen. And so, um, you know, now are there bad ideas at times? They're probably are, yeah. I kind of got to keep that moving. Get to what we need to get to. But, uh, you know, there's a ton of fun with these guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. You, um, you had a great college career as a

“quarterback. You should be in the college football Hall, fam. There's a lot. It's ridiculous at”

you. Yeah. Yeah. Fifteen three. The all-time winning is quarterback, right? Yeah. The history of college football. Yeah. Fifteen three. Yeah. What else can you do? Put him in the college football Hall of Fame. That is the same. That is the hardest. Fifteen three. It was fun. But, uh, you got to be like good enough to win, which we were able to. But, you know, all these guys leave early, you know, if you're really good in college from while you leave after two or three years. All right. Uh, I didn't

think everyone was chasing six foot quarterbacks who didn't scramble. So, uh, you know, I stuck it around. Well, it's called the college football Hall of Fame. So, you play college football at a high level for a long time. Like, I don't know why you would look at a guy that left after two seasons. You know, that guy deserves to be in there more than than you. We'll see what we can do for boysy. Yeah. What can you tell me about the magic of the blue turf? Because I actually just

purchase some blue turf. I have heard about this. Yeah. I'm very excited. I'm very excited. So, we're putting it in our office. Okay. I am a big believer in the blue turf. Now, I will say, it feels like after, you know, you left and there was a little bit of a downturn where there was times when I would be like, it's blue turf. It's blue turf and boysy wouldn't win.

“I'd be like, what's going on with the blue turf? Because I believe in it. I like, when you go to”

the blue turf, that's a tough place to play. Oh, yeah. Has boysy lost? Is that why they're changing the turf? We're just resetting ourselves. Okay. You know, okay. Low refresher. Sometimes,

it's always not bad. What your line did you get by the way? I got the 10 yard line. Okay. And then,

I think I talked with them and they're going to give me some of the sideline too. So, right, turf. Okay. The whole side. But did you guys, did you guys feel that when you were playing? I mean, 53 you probably did. But like, when you got to go to boysy, like, you're, it's a different animal on the blue turf. We love the blue. Yeah. Our fans were all in, color coded student sections every single game. And it was, it was a great atmosphere. And so,

it was a ton of fun. Ton of, ton of people would go there, kind of be a little bit paranoid about this whole blue turf thing. What's this thing that we're playing on? And it was a huge advantage for us. Yeah. Is it true that birds try to land on it? Sometimes, thinking that it's a lake, or is that just a urban legend. Unfortunately, I have not seen one. Now, maybe someone has, they definitely hover around a little bit. Okay. There's a river close by. So, maybe they're

getting a little bit confused. Okay. And then, as you kind of progress through your NFL career, and you decide that you want to get in a coaching, what, what made you decide to stay with the NFL, as like your target for advancing the career as opposed to going back to college? Yeah,

I always wanted to be a college football coach to be honest. That was always my goal in aspiration.

I was fortunate when I was in Dallas. So, in 2016, Tony was our starter. I was one of the back ups when we drafted this, you know, fourth round, you know, draft pick, deck press got, you know, what? Yeah. And I got hurt during training camp. And so, loan behold, Tony gets hurt a few days later. And all of a sudden, deck becomes our starter. And so, through that experience, I kind of got to see the other side of it. I got to see the coaching side of it, kind of be around

the quarterback room and all that sort of stuff. We figured out the stack press guy was pretty good. And so, it all happens for a reason. And two years later, I just slid right over to the cubic coach here. Yeah. What would being a backup quarterback? I actually think it's one of those jobs that is underrated in the fact that I don't think everyone is built for it. Was there a moment where you're like, okay, this is my role and I'm going to embrace it and like what goes into it week to week.

Yeah, I think part of it, there's two parts that you're preparing to play as a player if you ever have that opportunity. But at the same time, like the starters got a lot of stuff going on. You know, and they're trying to prepare everything in every way they can. And so, you're trying to help those guys as much as you can. And I was into Troy, you know, with Matthew, Matthews, are starting quarterback and the backups, you know, Sean Hill or Dan Orlowski and myself. And,

you know, our jobs to kind of watch some film and give them a few little things that maybe they missed during the week or give them just another viewpoint as they prepare. Yeah. Was there when you were with Matthew Stafford? Was there, I don't want to say like a wake-up call, but like watching his arm talent, you're like, okay, there's a little bit of a level to this. Sean Hill is our backup. He was like 14, 15 years in the league, backup quarterback. I remember going to OTAs

and one of the early throws. He throws this double move post route to Calvin Johnson. And he just looks at me. I see this ball go open there. It's got to be, you know, 60 yards on a rope. And he just looks at me and says, "Calonth, we don't even try this." Yeah. Right. Right. We don't go down that road. And so it was pretty cool to watch Matthew and Calvin deal. Yeah. Yeah. It was

Dan Orlowski always like really weird about Matt Stafford. Let the second he met him while he was like,

“"I really like you, man." Yeah. That's what Becca Correx did. You're protective of him.”

That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. He does. You think he took it out? He did a great job of it. He's committed. Yes, Dan's committed, though. He'd be nice if he spread some of that love to shock. We're big shock fans on this podcast. What was it? Tell me about the first time you saw shock. When did you get shocked for the first time?

combine. So we kind of got some exposure there. And then we had him come in on a visit. And it was awesome. It was awesome. It was just a great time. And I think his personality just this like, "I'm just

“going to go for it. I'm not going to worry about a single thing." Like, that's what you want in the”

quarterback. And so it's been awesome. Yeah. It's weird because I think probably the age thing, you know, had him fall. He's older than you, which is crazy. But he's, you know, he was a winner. And he, there's something about the way he throws a ball. Is that crazy? Am I wrong on that? Like, it's just so catchable. Yeah. It seems like it floats. Yeah. It gets the receiver. Yeah, that's what that's what playing quarterback's about is, you got to throw this catchable

football. Everyone's got different arm talents and arm strengths. And it's about giving your receivers opportunities to make plays. And so Tyler does a great job with it. You know, his anticipation, his ability to throw it when he has to with on a frozen rope. And so he's got really good ability there. Yeah. I got a two dumb questions. Which one do you, you want the

dumbest one first? Or will build up the dumb to number? Okay. All right. So this is just the dumb one.

All right. So you're from a town of 6, 6,000 people. Oh, yeah. What age were you like on the man? Because it had to happen when you're, you won 50 games in college football. You went to the NFL. You were definitely the man. I'm just wondering what what age was everyone like? Oh shit. So I'm processor Washington. There's 6,000 people. There's two stop lights. So and it's on either side of the

“bridge. So that's that's what we got going on. Right. So my dad was our high school football coach.”

So I grew up wanting to be a processor Mustang. That was my whole hopes and dreams. I'm going to be a Mustang. And then, you know, having a chance to go to boys. Obviously, you know, turn some things into pretty cool perspective there and made it fun to run in. All right. So you didn't answer the question. What age were you the man? Like, what did you start freshman year sophomore year? It's all I think my freshman year. I felt pretty good. Okay. Fresh from here because we were when in 60 to

nothing, 80 nothing on freshman squads and then sophomore years. Like, all right. Yeah. So so you're a fan. So you're a star city and how do you guys do that year? We made the playoffs. We lost. Do you were the man that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So 15. You were 15 years old and you were the man. Yeah. That's all. So you ever have a killing more day? Has there been a holiday in your honor? I don't know if

there has been, but, uh, I'm going to check this year. Yeah. Did you win state? We never won state.

That's all around to Jonathan Stewart. Remember him from Kerala. I ran to Jake Locker. Okay. Imagine Jake Locker around the wing T in high school. Yes. Yeah. He's 200 yards Russian as a quarterback. Big guy. Yeah. We had a couple times. We were close. Okay. That's a runky pink offense, though. You were the best podcast. Yeah. Yeah. We're throwing all over the field. Yeah. You know, okay. So you wrote it for the dumbest question. Um, do you like the name Kellen? I do. Okay. Yeah. I just didn't

know how you felt about it. Yeah. You don't see a lot of kelons. There's not a ton. Yeah. This is not a turn name. My mom's made name as KEL. Okay. L. L. And then I turned into Kellen. I like that. Do you have any games growing up? Uh, the man Kels. Yeah. Kels. Kels. Yeah. Kels short. Yeah. One of

“those. Kels. One of them softly. Are you one of those guys that you were just sick and every sport?”

I was football basketball. Okay. Yeah. So someone said that you play the Pelicans facility on Friday sometimes. We'll go over the Pelzerina. Yeah. Yeah. That's see that's bullshit. Like you're also good at football and then you're also just awesome. I'm just the guy sits in the corner and she's the three. Okay. That's a great idea. Like me. Yeah. Like Shane Baddie, you know, sitting in the corner for the heat. Like that's that's my goal right there. Yeah. But I try to be me. I'll be ready. Yeah. I heard I heard a

rumor that you are an addict. That you have an addiction to giving out game balls. Oh, how many games do you give out after each game? I don't know the number. How many we need? And it's a problem that you don't know the number. Yeah. Like that's the side of an addict. Yeah. It's like, and has there been, has you quit the guy ever been like, hey, we don't have a lot of

name push back yet. We've always had enough footballs until the buck is empty. Then I'll just keep going.

Some of those balls they can't have all been used in the game. So now they actually have to return those ones. Then we'll get them the official, you know, fancy colored ones, but they're names on it. All right. So like after a typical game, like let's just say, what's a big one of the big wins that you had last year? Well, yeah, buck's game. How many game balls are we giving out after that? I think an eight. That's a lot of game balls. We had a couple touchdowns, Tyler Chuck, you know,

well, Chuck deserves a ball. We had a couple rushing touchdowns, you know, defense. We had a couple picks. Maybe one pick. You give them out like helmet stickers. Yeah. Absolutely. Do you think that's a problem? No. They don't lose their destiny. We still have a player of the game later. So we'll narrow the focus. We'll get the order numbers too many. Like if you're given out 30 game balls, that's over half the roster. Yeah. That's that's probably a little aggressive. Okay.

So what about 20? Would you ever give out 20? That would probably be an whole organization at that point. You know, we might as well round up and just everyone gets a ball and it's to everyone. Yeah, we'll get there. So now we're probably eight. I mean, we're going to be at a single digits. We're going to be obsessed with this. We're like the first time we get up. We've got the first time you do more than 10 in a game this next year.

We get to double digits. Yeah. We'll see. Has anybody been like, sir? I think you've had enough.

We're cutting you off. Give me the keys. We were winning late in the season. We got to keep this thing going. Is it like the momentum from last year? Can you feel it going into this year? Because a lot of coaches will say, hey, last year is last year. You're it's a new season. It's a new slate. But that was a great finish. You guys we kept on saying like it's too bad that you started kind of slow because we thought you guys were playing the best ball in the NFC south at the end.

I think there's parts to it. Obviously there's a long window between seasons. We get that. But there's a ton of young guys who played late in the year. I think that says a lot about those guys developing and obviously those guys are going to carry on some big roles moving forward.

“Yeah, hanged by the wages for it. And I think everyone has trained. He's part of so now. Who wants to? Who for?”

He said it was so hard. That was so loud. We all heard it. It was me question.

Tell them I locked out. Tell them I locked out. Guys and we like we're like, we're not even doing this question. We're just thinking about who's farting. And I was crazy dude. We were joking earlier about it. This is getting to like the loopy point in the week where Hank just kind of like hits his wall of great week of caring and that was it right there. Can't come up here and ask questions. Yeah, you have to. The border has to ask you guys your hand. Yeah, you did. Yeah, you stopped the whole interview.

That was not like I tell them I both I think like locked out. We're like we're not even doing this question. We're just thinking about who this isn't the this isn't the press conference room right here. As a reporter ever done that and they were farted. I tried to put my I was crossing my legs and just the physics of it. I tried myself very seriously and I'm really sorry. I tried to be

“all business in these settings and that was unacceptable and I'm sorry. Do you have a question?”

Yeah. Do you feel a little momentum going into this? Yeah, what are you thinking about this season coming up? It was also the loud it. Like I don't know how loud how that was so loud. I was waiting your chair. This chair should have been so short. Yeah, this is not as funny anymore. Sorry, I could question the question I think I can pinpoint where the season turned around for you guys last year. I think I know the exact moment where it was like,

okay, watch out for the Saints. It was going into halftime against the Seattle Seahawks and you kicked a field goal to make it 38 to six and a half times. I think it was like, okay, this guy believes in us, we believe in him. Yeah. And that was a rough one. That was a rough one. That was super chance for reasons. That game got out of hand. Yes. Can you walk us through that that fuel goal process? We did. We said things about you in the moment. And it was all probably

worthy. Yeah, it was absolutely cool out there in the first half. But sometimes it's just like,

you know, I want points. We just need some points. We just need to get this thing head and then the right direction. It wasn't going to go probably our direction ultimately, but maybe we can get a little bit. Yeah, fuel goal kicker get a gamble. We got to win the game. Yeah, I would have been funny if you were just like, hey, did you did some nice there? I've been worthy though. All right. So here's an analytics question for you. All right.

Four minutes left in the game. You're down 14. You score. You go for one or two. Oh, we're definitely leaning towards going for two. Okay. That's correct. You said leaning towards going for two. Part of my thing with the analytics is, okay, there's a decision and then there's actually

“like the play you have to run. Mm-hmm. And so like sometimes there's the element of like,”

yes, I want to go for two, but do we have the confidence? Do we have the play to call to execute in that situation? Right. You know, there's there's two parts of that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So here's another question for you, analytics question. So let's say that there's 209 left and the fourth quarter. And you're, you're down eight points. 31 to 23. You're at the eight yard line. This is just off the, off the, yeah, it's just a pretty nice way to run. It's four thing goal from the

eight yard line. What do you do? Again, you're down eight. 31, 23. And it's in the fourth quarter, two minutes, nine seconds left. And also the quarterback of the other team is like a six time Super Bowl winner. League MVP. That kind of guy. What do you do? Yeah, we'll probably go for it. Okay, we agree with that. We'll check that one off the box. Yes, smart guy. Do you think I got that one right? Yes, yes. Yeah. That's 100% correct. Yeah. Through the PFD analytics department.

Yeah, I think through like the real world analytics department, like why would through Packers have ever done that against the box and Tom, right? Yeah. Yeah. I still don't understand that to this day. Um, you have an award named after you. Tell more award for college football. I think I do. Yeah. Yeah.

in the college football Hall of Fame. You have an award. They're teasing you. I think we got to get the Procus some more love. We got to get voicing in there. Yes. Do you know who votes on that? I don't. If you listen, if you're listening right now, get off your ass and put Kelly Moore in the college football Hall of Fame. Yeah. This is crazy. It's a sham of an institution until he's in it. Having an award named after you and then also still not being in the college football Hall of Fame,

we're going to, we're going to make this a personal mission for us. Will you give us a game ball if we get you in the Hall of Fame? Definitely a game ball. Okay. Because see how that worked. I don't know if you noticed that well, we're not going to do anything and then when you do get in the college football Hall of Fame, we're going to demand a game. We'll claim it. It's a little win. It's a little win. It's a little win. It's a lot of

“things. It's a lot of things. That's how we come out on top of it. We got it all time. What are your thoughts”

about design downfield laterals? Definitely trendy. I like it. Yes. You would, would you say that they are the future of offense in the NFL? It's getting bigger and bigger for sure. So. Yeah. Okay. I like thank you. Thank you.

Yeah. I've always looked at you as being an ally. I've been on a crusade to have been one of the

ones. Well, Boisey ran one. That was well known back in the day. Very much. Yeah. I don't call home in that game. Yeah. I was like, how the hell will, Oklahoma lose to Boisey? Like, that's crazy. No way. I'm proud you by the way. You're saying Boisey. Yeah. Well, you did it. You got it in my head. Boisey. Yeah. Boisey. Did you happen to see, uh, you probably didn't, but I write an annual blog for the coaches picture. You looked pretty good in it. I gave you the award. You were standing next to Dave Canales. You

guys look like you were almost planted together. You weren't kind of similar shirts. And I said the young dads on vacation who still think they're cool because they have hot wives award. I think that's fair. I'll take that one. Okay. How awkward is that photo? It's all about the positioning. That's the, that's the, that's the juggling factor because everyone wants to be in, you know, you want to make sure you're in the right spot. Oh, so you, is there like a little, is there a hot car? They're just a slow

movement of letting, you know, certain, you know, if we're going to let certain guys kind of make their decision and then you kind of try to slide in where you fit in. And so maybe in a couple of years, you start to maybe take the spot you want, you're instead of the spot you're given. I like the

“back right. Yeah. It's good spot. Okay. Yeah. We're about the chairs. Do people how early do you have to”

get there for the chairs? Like they camp out the night before like there's some guys love the chairs. There's some guys, you know, last spots to the chair. You're stuck now. Your socks and your, you know, your shorts are exposed. I think I think standing is the right move. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Because you can kind of just, and yeah, the back row usually has that row. You got the shirt and that's about it, you know, would you be open to maybe wearing something if I sent you it? Because I'm trying to work with Kevin's

defense key. He's open to it. He actually didn't, he didn't wear anything. I sent him this year. But if I sent you, you want to create like a little section. Yeah. Yeah. Or it's like I can address half of you. Yeah. So, you know, you can have that whole NFC south over there and then you work so. Listen, you don't have to do it. Just say yes now and then everyone will like to have you school. Yeah. Sounds like the game ball. All right. Correct. Perfect. That's a win. Do you, uh, do you hate the Falcons?

Yes. I've grown quickly into that mode. Uh, the team and red. Yes. Yeah. Was there, was there a moment

“where you realized, oh man, I hate, I hate you guys. I think it's the week group. Can really”

educate me on the rivalry and the understanding of that. We were basically tied going into this year.

Now, unfortunately, we lost two, so we got two back and so we got some business to do next year. Yeah. That was a, that was a really strange position that the, uh, the entire division was in at the end of the year this year. Like how did, what, what was your message for your team going into weeks, 17? We wanted to win because we had won four in a row and so finished the season five in no. Uh, but it was a weird game. You know, Falcons were basically playing for Carolina. We were playing

for Tampa. Uh, yeah. It was a unique deal. Yeah. Did you talk about that at all during the week? We did not. We did not. But we focused on the rivalry. We had an opportunity to play Atlanta. You know, we're, we're down a few guys. It was a, it was a fun game for Tyler, but he hung in there. Hmm. Have you embraced, uh, New Orleans culture and food and what's your favorite food now? Absolutely. The food is a challenging task because there's so many restaurants and

recommendations when you come here. So basically, it's so good. My phone is just a running tale of anyone you meet in the city. They come in, what's your favorite restaurant? Yeah. Where have you been? Yeah. Then they give you another list. And so I just keep adding to that

list. And, uh, so it's been good. Yeah. I can't get our own steakhouse. The seafood is amazing. I'm

growing in that aspect. Mm-hmm. Getting a little bit more seafood, uh, you know, friendly. Yeah. So it's been good. You're doing gumbo. You're doing all that stuff. Yeah, gumbo. All that. Yeah. Which level of spice? Uh, good question. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Low to medium. Low to me. Oh, so we're working up. We're working up. Yeah. Probably deserve something. Yeah. It's an offseason project. We've got to work on that. We've got to get a graph to get you like, uh, a

spice. Like basically doing hot ones every day after practice. Just work you up.

need to get that mental toughness. You have to let spice into your life. Yeah. It's not like trying

to defeat spice. You've got to learn how to work with it. And then you'll learn how to love it after you can work with it. Mm-hmm. Exactly. So just give it a shot. Um, what do we, where we poke fun of a lot of people ourselves mostly, but, um, what, what, what is it about Mike McCarthy? Because we, we, we, we tend to poke fun, but he is a very good head coach. What did you learn? Like, what's maybe one of the big things you learned from your time with Mike McCarthy?

I love Mike. He's very much the same every single day. He's very consistent. Uh, he likes to have fun. The watermelon smashing. Uh, for you guys who've known that pre game. Uh, yeah, meeting. So still pissed about. Were you there for that? Oh, I was there for it. All right. Well, the details. Yeah. Because I, so I had, I bet against you guys big in that game. And I

didn't know until after the fact the watermelon was smashed. And I've never been more angry

because if you smash watermelon, that's a auto win. Remind me, Minnesota game, Minnesota. Okay. Yep. Got it. COVID year. Okay. So late this season, late in the season. We're in the middle. We're not, you know, we're hanging in there. Andy Dalton's our quarterback. Uh, I think he had just came back off of being hurt. And so COVID, your team meetings are like in the biggest ball rooms. And everyone's like 10 feet apart, right? The whole six six feet apart thing. And so there's this big

open room wide open. Then towards the front, you see all these like tarps kind of out. And you're like, all right, this will be interesting. What's going on today? You know, sometimes the team means have different things. Next thing you know, there's watermelon. There's a sledge hammer. There's guys going up there. The watermelon, you know, whoever's in close proximity. I mean,

you're, you're getting sprayed a little bit here. Oh, so everyone's smashing water. Oh,

there's just a few. There's just a few. How many, how many is a few? How, like, what's the line like? That's watermelon. I would say I'm trying to remember. I'm thinking there's, there was under six three to five. It did Mike smash one. It's a great question. Oh, my, I don't remember.

“You don't know. I think he did. He had to. He had to. Were these all team leaders that were smashing?”

Yeah, the team leaders. Okay. Yeah. Like captains. Yeah. And what's the crowd going crazy when you're awesome. Damn. But probably there was no expectation of watermelons coming out for a team, meaning, no, not the excitement. No, it's like, you know, and could you feel it when you were, when you guys were playing the game being like, yeah, this is a watermelon game. We need to bring some juice. We're playing them. Yeah. Yeah. Minnesota. There's no fans, you know,

they're trying to do a skull chant with the speakers and there's no one in the crowd. Like it's, it's a quiet game. So we'll you bring a little juice. So the question was, what is the big thing you've learned from Mike McCarthy? Will you be using a watermelon game at some point? There's potential. Now my God. What that watermelon is, you know, do we, you know, maybe, maybe do something a little bit different? Yeah. Why was it, do you know why a watermelon was selected? I still don't remember.

When it was genius, but it was great. You guys were under dollars that came in. It was like the, the cowboys were, you guys weren't doing great that year because of injuries and everything. Yeah. We won late right then. Man, what was the cleanup like? Did people have to stick around afterwards? Oh, there are some really people that really pissed off probably. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, now I'm, now I can't stop thinking about you doing a watermelon game. Like Tyler shook in a watermelon game.

That's, that's like ten touches. Yeah. Watermelon is probably the best, right? Yeah. Any other suggestions? A giant king cake. King cakes. And then whoever accidentally hits the, the baby piece, then they, they get the game ball. Watermelon smashing. I think smashing like a TV or something would be cool. Yeah. Maybe a car. TV's cars. Yeah. Bring a car. We're going to start car crash.

“Yeah. Just like drive two cars into each other. Be like, that's what we need to play like that. Yeah.”

So what, but like in a real way, Mike McCarthy, what's kind of one thing that you've taken from him where you're like, all right, this is how I want to operate how he operates things. Just really steady. Really consistent day and a day out weekend and we got, I think, you know, what they had so much success year after year in Green Bay as well was, you know, just their consistency. And I think it was because everything was so steady that, you know, the NFL is about

highs and lows. No matter what we do, you know, two years ago, you're in Philly. At one point we're two and two and Philly and the whole world's gonna fall apart because we lost the Tampa and, you know, the teams that can kind of stay steady. Those are the teams that have success towards the end. Yeah. That is a very, like, I, I don't know how you guys do it because from our perspective, if you lose a game, I just think you're the worst team ever. And when you win a game,

you're just gonna win forever. So I don't know how you, you're able to stay steady like that. It feels like that. You know, we put a lot into this thing and for about 24 hours, you feel, you feel those emotions, but then, you know, the trick is you got to move past it. Thankfully, you had fans have filled off you that loved you win or lose. So it didn't, they were really, that concern after you

“started to, I was fortunate. I was fortunate. It was fun. So what was the key to”

cracking that relationship between, you know, just the entire offense because I feel like Philly has had one of the most talented teams. I think most people would say that for the last what three, four years, like they've got great players at every position. But sometimes, like interpersonal dynamics, you know, it can make the talent take a little bit of back seat.

It was awesome. I had an awesome year there, a team up with Nick and all those guys and, you know, we had a ton of star power. We had a ton of guys that were really talented players,

“had a ton of success in the league. And so I think the fun part of it was really bringing them”

into the equation of, you know, I mean, there's nothing better than talking about the run game with Jordan Malata and Lane Johnson and Sake Juan and me and like, okay, you know, how we all approached this week. And so in the past game, you know, getting with Jaylin and, you know, AJ and Smidi and Spend Time with those guys. And so they're all super competitive. They're all want to win. They all want to be successful. And that's the fun part of it. Yeah. Did you read AJ Brown's book?

I've not read AJ Brown has a book. Well, the book that he would read on the sidelines. I've seen it. I've seen it. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe, maybe I need to read it. We get, we, have you guys read it? Max, did you order it? No, I don't think so. You were in for me. Yeah, that's right. I was just having a guy. I was just letting me win a 100.

You were in for me. Max, you read it. You loved it. All right. This has been so awesome. Coach, we really appreciate it. We got one last question.

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hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com, promo code Take Zach, come on up here. Zach is a box fan. So just so you know, there's a rivalry here. Bravo. Requestion. It's a rivalry question. Right. I was curious. Uh, tack one. What's up with him? What's up with him? What's up with him? You're good. Good. I'll light it. Wait, wait. Zach. This way. This way. This way. This way. Staying for the camera.

I mean, wait. Yeah. You're good. Okay. All right. Sorry. Sorry. I was. I was like, well, I was like, I was like, Coach, that's my bad. I was curious if you've had a chance to kind of get yourself familiar with a former edge rusher. And now, 10 big buck near room and bane's game. And if there's any kind of worries to him getting to the quarterback at will week 15.

Good question. I don't like that room. I went into the division. He's a really good player. He's really talented. He's really talented. And so luckily, you know, we got to left tackle

first round picks last couple of years. And so, you know, I feel like we'll be all hanging

there. I'm looking forward to it. I, uh, best of luck. What, you had another question? I do. I do. I do. That's okay. Come on from last season. Do you kind of have any like, looking to improve in different areas of the game? Do you have anything you're paying special

“attention to for this year's team that you really weren't able to execute on last year?”

It's just a scouting report for the bucks. Is that what this is? Just two guys talking ball. You guys talking ball. You guys talking secrets. Just talking football. We don't run the ball great last year. We're going to run the ball a little bit better. That's a goal of ours, you know, schematically and all that's fun stuff. And so, you know, we got to close out these games. We got to play better early in games. We didn't start games well, you know, early in the first quarter.

And so, a bunch of things were going to improve. Also, I appreciate the info not entirely info my bad. Well coach, thank you so much for coming on. We really appreciate it. I mean, the game ball thing and then the potential of a watermelon game has me juiced up. So, we're going to be and we love Tyler Shocks and we're going to be rooting for you guys this year. I appreciate it. I'm excited for that. Yeah. Any time you're in Chicago, you want to come see the blue turf that you help make

famous. We're going to have it ready to go. Awesome. And yeah, we have a basketball course. You can stand in the corner and hit some three. There you go. That's all I need. All right. Thanks so much coach. Awesome. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Kellon Moore was brought to you by our great friends over at Twisted T. We've got the Tweez right here right in front of me. I had the hard iced tea, twisted tea, party pack, delicious flavors in there.

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“Okay, firefest of the week to rack, wrap up a great, great week. Pipsy, did you want to go first?”

Yeah. Yeah. I'll go first. My firefest the week is that Hank is by far the funniest guy that we got

on this podcast. And it's not close. The funniest moment, maybe I've ever seen on the show, happened in that Kellan Moore interview. And God damn it, Hank, the word genius gets thrown around a lot. These days, Hank is a comedic genius for what he pulled off. Hank, that was so funny. You're so cool. You're serving a great look, right? Yeah. But it was funny. It was one of the

Zack and and and Jerry O'Connell now, now Hank getting involved. And it's like, I feel like I've got a front row seat to comedy genius. I'm just, I'm on one hand. I'm so happy to get to watch it on

the other hand. I'm like, I'll just never be able to achieve what with these guys have done.

“George Carlin produces part of my take. Yes. That's what it is. Yes. But originally,”

one of the behind the scenes guys on part of my take turned out to be by far the funniest. So Hank, that fart was awesome. It was so funny. It was so funny. I mean, come on. And then afterwards, saying it wasn't a fart. It was just air coming out of your butt. Okay. If I could explain that, I think it would make more sense. Okay. Great. Yeah, please do. First of all, I'd like to give some even more context of the situation, because shout it to the saints and the

saints and saints and the pelicans share the same like facility, same building. There's no saints, facility, pelicans facility, same parking lot. I can't wait to hear how this is relevant to it not being a fart. And we talked about in last last year about the pelicans giveaways. Yeah. Now they weren't doing giveaways. Yeah. And so while we were waiting for come more to come, some of the, the saffers came through like, oh, we got you a bunch of the best giveaways

“from last year. In that box, there was like a bubble head, a snowman and a hat, like a ridiculous”

green pelicans like for a tune hat. And I was like, oh, this is funny. Yeah, let me put it on. So I'm wearing this ridiculous green pelicans hat during the interview before the interview. You're a loopie? No, it's just like, yeah, this is whatever. Like, what? It's cool hat. Yeah. Why are you wearing your sweatshirt like this right now? Because it's hot. But you wear it in a like a bib. I have a, I only brought, I packed two shirts and I got a copy saying on this one. Okay.

Then during the interview, I was sitting in the back. And I'm the chair that I'm sitting on is

like circular. So I'm basically sitting on an ampitheter.

It wasn't sitting on the Hollywood bull. Yeah. I'm not sitting in like a square, like deskset. Yeah, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It tastes as live at Red Rock. Literally. Like the coasters on this chair were seconds and none. Yeah. And I, like, and I, I'm, I'm a, I was going to confuse with liberal means like a lot. Like really you do it a lot. Like liberal, like liberal use something is like you. But abortions? Yeah. No, just like I, I'm, I'm a, I'm a liberal. I'm a liberal.

You trying to, you trying to, trying to, trying to turn the kids, I'm a liberal, I'm a liberal foreigner. Like I know, like left, lefty lockwood, whatever, but like mega hang, but like I'm a liberal foreigner. I'm not afraid to fart in front of the boys in front of a crowd. Like I, I don't mind it in the right place at the right time. Like I'm not afraid to, so let one lose for jokes. Obviously, I do consider myself a very serious guy, very professional, like all business all the

time when it comes down to it. Like, you know, play hard, or work hard, party harder. Like that,

that way hard, but I also party hard. So like I would never do this, like in, in this setting,

I would never, I would never, I had to fart, I would never be like I would never risk doing it in front of an interview. So I didn't have to fart. There wasn't that we did have Waffle House, which is PFC's fault, but like I, in the interview and, and Jacob was sitting behind me, all I did was like, I lifted up my left leg over, and when I went over, air came out of my, you are just defining a fart. You're not listening. You don't get it.

Let them explain. This is not a fart. And most of your air coming out of your ass.

“That's a push. Like most fart you're like, this eye, I have like, when you have to poop when you're”

to fart, like, oh, there's a fart inside of me, and then let me like hit the button, like, like, that's a fart. Yeah, we felt like I had to fart. Like, you know what you know what that is. Like, this was not, I was not like consciously like, oh, I got a fart. Yeah. But when I lifted up my leg, I, I guess I had like gas down there and, like, I still didn't fart came out of my ass. That was so loud. I, I couldn't like turn around a Jacob and he had the literally had the eyes. He was like,

it was like a dog fart. You know, a dog fart, so they scared themselves? Yes. That's what you did. And I was hoping at first that it was like, just me and Jacob that like, when is it? And I was like, 2000 saying like that. I can't put an X can now. And then I looked over the same people were looking at me. And then Bicke was like, what was that? Yeah, because I covered more and I blocked eyes like, who just farted? I couldn't believe. So when I heard

they was, I looked, I looked up and I saw you and Jacob looking at each other. And I thought to myself, dear God, I hope that was Hank. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It wouldn't have happened to be hell. Maybe it was Jake. And then they looked at Jacob had, I, it felt like there was some unspoken

Did you do that fart? I did think, I did feel out of someone's ass. I did think in the moment that Hank

was trying to get Jacob to take the fall for him. No, no, no, the sound did come out of me, my body. Put you didn't fart. Yeah. But it was not a conscious fart. It wasn't real fart. It was essentially like if you were, if you left your trunk open and you had luggage in there and then you sped away and it just fell out. You're just like, hey, I didn't, I didn't think that was going to fall out. The fart just fell out. Not just fell out of your car. Not even that, Bicke. I don't

have heard, but like the Saints and the Pelt, they share a facility. Yeah, that's true. And that is true. It's important context. Yeah. Yeah. Because, oh, for what's going on? It was wearing the hat. I was wearing, I, not only was I farting. Then I got called on camera and I had to be like, I'll start for farting. Meanwhile, I'm wearing a fucking cartoon hat with a coffee stand. Yeah.

“I think I was wearing a sweatshirt at that point. That was before I drank the coffee.”

That Hank went around the room blaming everybody else one by one of the room for his fart. Yeah. It really, it wasn't a fart, Piff. You keep saying fart wasn't a fart. Air that came out of his

butt. This is by very powerful house and gives you gas. You made us go to wall policy. I'm going to get

grits. Yep. Uh, the chair. You are, you are describing the telltale signs of a fart. The chair was bad. The food I ate was bad. The chair was bad. I moved. Also, Max looked at you and then he didn't look away. And if he hadn't, if you hadn't looked at you, no one would have known that you farted. No, that was the chair. Yeah. That one's on the chair. Yeah. I actually didn't look because there was a bunch of people from the saints that were behind me. So I didn't want to turn around and

look and make a scene if it was one of them that farted. So I didn't want to take that risk and make one of the people from the saints embarrassed. And then once I heard you say that it was Hank, it was the most joy I've ever been. Yeah. But again, not a fart. Anyone who says this is a fart,

“you don't understand how the human body works. I think people, there's, there's some”

relatability to that. It's like, it's not a fart. Yeah. Right. A fart happened. This is actually gaslighting. Right. Anyone who says it's a fart deleted right now. You're actually, we'll talk to our lawyers because it wasn't a fart. If you say fart, like that's actionable. Yeah. If you say air out of Hank's butt after eating waffle house, air fell out, that would be correct. But fart? No. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay. We're good. There was so funny. Yeah. It was, it was,

it was actually so loud. I can't believe it. Everyone heard it. I think it, I actually think it made the interview better. I think I think it broke down a barrier. I think killing, he thought it was the funniest thing ever, too. Yeah, he thinks fart. Kill more. It's a funny. We'll tell more and it's smell. But that's another key factor. Kill more probably because I wasn't a fart. He, and I think up until that point, he thought we were guys that didn't fart. And then we did want

and he's like, oh, I can hang with these guys. They fart. Boom. But yeah, the fart. And then realizing like what I was wearing and just all, it all fell apart. All right. Hank went on like a

“15-minute walk right afterwards because he, yeah, he was looking for a bridge. I think. Yeah.”

Yeah. Yeah. I did just go take a walk outside. Yeah. Because we didn't, we did another interview. And then afterwards I was like, Hank, credit to you. You didn't fart during that one and everyone's like, he isn't, he hasn't been in here for a while. So he probably was farting during the interview. Yeah. We've been pifty. You got your neck wrenched. I did get my, yeah, I got my neck blown out. Shout out to the saints and they're training staff. Ta-ra. Ta-ra. You might recognize him

from being he was Sean McVease, hold back guy. He was also on the lions with Dan Campbell. I think. Yeah, one of the all-time great strength coaches and hold back guys as well. They're doing these neck workouts for, for the rookies that are here. And I think they're doing like two or three times a week. Everyone has to get run through this neck workout. And we did a similar one when we were with the chargers a couple of years ago. This was like three times crazier.

This was maybe the the most uncomfortable workout I've ever done in my life. And at one point, he was like, okay, you're halfway done with the set. And I just stopped. I was like, you got to be fucking shit. Your leg was twitching. Hank and I were watching me like, no chance we're doing this. Like neck workouts are crazy. Yeah. And this was the hardest one yet. And I, I feel like if I like go to sleep. I don't think I'm going to be able to like move my head off the pillow.

Yeah, stronger now. I'm going to be stronger. I said at the end of it, like I kind of I don't want to get into a car accident. But if I got into a medium car accident, I would like to be able to do that just to prove that I my neck is so much stronger now. Yes.

I'm ready to absorb anything. So there was that. And then also for the second year in a row,

I did not pack socks on a great week. So I thought I learned my lesson last year. And I only packed two socks for this group week. So I've had to be doing sink laundry at the end of every day where you wouldn't do it a lot of stuff too. Yeah, you put soapy water in the sink.

fully overnight. So I've had to like use the hair dryer on them in the morning. Yeah,

“it's been a lot. One of these days I'll learn to pack enough socks. Yeah. By the way, it just”

is an aside Ted Rathen, his guys. If you really want to feel like a pussy, go to an NFL weight room. Have the strength coach say, are you guys ready to work out and reply? No, sorry. We did hot yoga yesterday. Not hurt. Yeah. I'll just look at it. What? We're being serious. So did hot yoga almost 48 hours ago. And it's we can't do this. So it's like the last one of the contests that we did. I volunteer to step up for the neck workout. But then when I was

done, I looked at these guys. I said, you guys do not want to work out. No, like I'm dead serious, do not run away from this workout. But there's some ridiculous pictures that came out of that,

including one where I went grimmling them on killing more. Do you guys remember, by the way,

this popped in my head when we were getting the juice with the LSU coaching staff? And I think the defensive coordinator, like casually, just like, so what do you guys work out like five, six times a week? And we're just like, what? Five, five, six times a week? Yeah. A year? Yes. A week? No. And they just looked at us like, got damn. All right, Hank, what's your firefest? I mean, PFT took a majority of mine. But you didn't fart. So it's not actually not

all the best. It's the fart accusations. I guess it was going to be mine. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I guess, I guess, whenever I do these these

“great week vloggers and the big cat ass to do is we're buttole like, and that's why that's my”

five for us. I don't know. I'm going to miss your vlogs. But why are you? I don't understand what you're. I'm going to miss your vlogs. Are you setting the videos or someone else? What are you talking about? So Hank does these vlogs behind the scenes and he's getting mad because I've had my camera out in his face the whole time. You, what do you have Max? If I have a video of something. Yeah, yeah, of me taking the video of Hank. Yeah, you

went mad on it. You all made a, yeah, you could show it to Hank. Yeah, yeah. This is so Hank's getting upset because he's he's, he's videoing all of us all day and then I started doing it to him and he's getting upset at me. Yeah. I did this before you did it. Yeah, I learned to one thing. I have a record on one single video today. You turned away and that he just looked at me and he's like, I haven't been referring to it. Look at my photos. Look at my photos. There's

not a single Hank picture in there. There's not a single video of you. All right. Well, yeah, you did a couple years ago that you did get mad and you've been doing the vlogs. It's like a rebuttal vlog. It's been great. I'm putting in Hank's face and him just serving. I wish I actually had been taking videos because you were serving looks. But yeah, I didn't, I did not press record one single time. I didn't even open my phone any of the time. That's good. That's

funny. So yeah, I'm going to miss your vlogs. They're very funny. Yeah. Yeah, voiceovers are great. And I love them. They all keep them coming. Okay. Yeah, I liked that. Also, so that was your firefest and my firefresh combined. Also, we are, we have not given memes enough shit for what he pulled on Tuesday night. No. That's going to be memes is firefest. No, shit. That memes firefest. It's happy as a clam right now. I mean it's not. I didn't get to see like one of the greatest

forth going. Yeah, I watched it via like, we did a bad job of explaining it. Yeah, all of us were separately watching it on our phones at insanely different, like, play back. Well, you know, we were all watching it. Let me explain it. Let me explain it. We're all sitting in our hotel rooms watching the next cabs game memes text the group when the cabs go up 20 saying we got let's record right now. So twice twice he says that. So we all being the good friends we are came down from our hotel rooms

from our TVs where we're watching the games into this truck that does not have Wi-Fi, bad sell service. And we're sitting here waiting for memes. We all take out our phones to try to watch the game. It's spotty. It's going in and out. We're all on different intervals. We're all

“like kind of spoiling it back and forth because we can't really watch it. I think I saw like six”

plays. I just had to stop talking entirely because I didn't want to run it for for Zack who is I started just watching the score. I watched a score bug on ESPN.com because I was like, I'll just watch this instead. So I'm just watching the score change. The entire time we're all here because

memes told us to come down here. He's watching the entire game on his TV and his bed and he never came

down. I did apologize for this last show. Did you accept it? I can't accept it in a good moment because now you're pissed. But the power of the pod brought the nicks to a win. Okay. So.

collectively in a shitty atmosphere. Then that pod would have brought the nicks the win. What do you mean the power of the pod? You use us. We feel used. It's also been very funny because memes I've tried to have multiple conversations with him today and he just replies like put the nicks. Yeah, I was like 10 30 this morning. I was like, all right, memes. We're done talking today. Not not because I don't like you. It's just like, I know that you're not going to reciprocate a conversation

when you're just going to want to talk about the nicks. I don't have much more to talk about because

“I didn't fucking watch the fourth quarter. Yeah. I think I was like, yeah, episodes this week”

been really good. I'm like, man, the nicks. Yeah. I was like, I didn't fucking see it, dude. I watched what he has been. Oh, but yeah, good job, memes. I mean, I'm happy for you. I am. Thank you. That was you were very it's great to see memes happy and he was truly truly happy for the entire of the day. So, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Firefest. My firefest is week. I guess kind of a short one. We did go, we went and did the how you'll go with Coach Kiffin the other day and everyone is everyone in there.

We know we established a safe word. We went in as a team. We were going to tackle and take it on head first. Yeah. There was like, we're probably 15, 20 minutes in at this point. I'm like physically fighting for my life. Just trying to survive. I didn't want to be the first guy to break the box and get out of the hot yoga. And then I just hear, I just hear Coach Kiffin just go,

not an athlete. This guy's got no twitch. And my heart sunk. I've never felt more just physically

ashamed in my entire life because I was really just trying to get through the workout with the boys. Yeah. And to hear somebody just come over the topic, hey Ben, you just don't got it. I respect the honesty, but it painstaking. And then you're still looking at D1 athlete. Yeah. His version of

“not an athlete is not our version not an athlete. I know, but I think it was just all in college.”

Would you say Zack's an athlete? Yeah. Okay. I don't even disagree. I was a good ball. He does. He has a cannon. We found out Zack has a cannon. He's got a great throwing motion. Yeah. It's kind of like a hand pain's king. Yeah. Situation. I don't even disagree with not an athlete, but that just wasn't the setting. You want to hear it because you're just doing everything to survive. Like you're just trying to, and then he did a dog. He dogged you on the softball field, which that vlog is

in the crowd on Tuesday. He dogged you. That is he has some things to say. He did one of the things he

said just wasn't true. My, my, I'm part. What do you say that wasn't true? He just said you never

got hit in your life. And then I just got hit and we want everybody. He's one and I got hit as well as you guys. Yeah. I partially, I'm partially to blame for that. I was coaching third base and Link Kiffin turned to me and he's like, what's this guy's deal? And he's like, can I make fun of him? I was like, yeah. And then he kind of, he emptied the clip. Yeah. That'll play out that that's totally fun. Yeah. I mean, I, you're one of the guys. Like, I would hope you want me. I, I think it would be bad if I answered,

like, no, do not say anything. That would be extremely uncomfortable. Yeah. That would be worse. But, exactly. You're doing high yoga. That's not necessarily the place that you want to show twitch. True. Maybe the opposite. You're stretching. That is, you want to be the thing. You actually, it just wasn't high yoga. You said it wasn't high yoga, whatever it was. It was such a thing that you wanted to show. It was, it was hit yoga. It was hit yoga. It was hit yoga. It was movements. And that's

the complete opposite. So I feel like he was not in position to judge that. Yeah. It was sauna boot camp. We do keep saying high yoga, but I think we're selling ourselves short. We are. It was not yoga. They told us it was high yoga. It was hot hit. It was hot crossfit. They had us bringing the weights. I did. I mean, I kind of kind of felt bad, but I also kind of felt like I was maybe trying to like do Zach a favor. But like they were like, oh, grab weights, grab 20 pounders. We grab 15 pounders. I was like,

all the 15 pounders look like 20 pounders. Something like all perfect. Those were still way too heavy. I also was just trying to get through it. Zach started doing basically they were doing, having us do stuff with weights. Zach was just doing it with no weights in hand. He had 10 pound weights. So I just at one point just took his weights because I was like, I don't want to do the 15 pound weights. And that weighs Zach. He doesn't have a choice to use the weights because I took them

from him. But I did. He said something after I kind of felt bad. But I couldn't. The 15 pound

weights were too heavy. Yeah. Always, by the way, that's a tip. Just a little old hockey trick for anyone

out there. If you go to workout class, they tell you what weight to get. Always size down. Got a drop.

“Always size down. You got to. You have to size that. No one's out here to be here. No. No.”

Because you know it, like it's always going to get harder and you're just going to be like, fuck, why did I get this weight? Max, you got one? Yeah. A lot of the stuff has been said already. The hot yoga has put my body in shambles. I did more activity at LSU than I've done since I left college baseball. And I've been thinking about that a lot. And I've been really been thinking of how much I've let myself go. And how much like that, you should just be a normal

pugs playoffs coming up. I've got to have I got to be back for that. Max, can I point one thing out?

“So I don't know if I'm going to. No, I think you'll be okay with it. In the softball game,”

you don't have to try to kill the ball every time. Yeah. It sounds like something that historically I've been okay with people telling me. I'm going to say right now, Max and I are back itself. Yeah, friends. We agreed. We had a great game together. We were kind of like co-captating the team and we felt good. It felt good. I also went there for five of the double. Just make contact.

That's all you got. You played fucking awesome at third base. Yeah. No big deal. We were the boys

were looking good. Yeah. Boys were hugged softball. The boys were humped. A lot of areas, a lot of runs. Yeah. I don't have made some great tags. They did. No. PFC was a piece of shit. That's it. That's another big time fire fest. Is that PFT just tried to fuck us at one point? Also through the ball behind the runners, which is a big note. Absolutely. Literally shit. Yeah. I should not have done that one. Through it to first with a guy on third. The more I think about it, we like Lane

“Kiffin was upset that we took one of his guys. He took one of our guys. Yeah, he did. He took PFT for”

months. Well, no, I was all time catcher and I had some, I had two really nice tags. One memes through an absolute laser from the outfield. Tagged a runner coming home. He was called safe on review, but I touched the guy. I don't know what you want me to say. And then I didn't want to be accused of cheating them out of a win. So because I was all time catcher, there was a time where I had to tag Hank out at the plate. And I put a tag on him and then all of a sudden,

my own guys are mad at me. Now it's like, well, I can't. Well, you said before you're not going to get any of us out. I have another question about that. Hank, did you just, did you just lie to

me about that play? What do you mean? You were on second. I hit a hard, a hard ground ball down

the line. I'm thinking too off the gate. And you get, you get tagged out at home and you told me the reason was because Lane Kiffin tackled you rounding third. He screamed me. Oh. He screamed him. You told me he pushed you. I say, he screamed me. He did. He screamed him. He like blocked. I didn't think it was an issue because I was like, I'm, there's no way I get thrown out. But he like gotten away. It was a shocking. And I had to go, I had to go around him. Was I going a hundred

percent? Probably not. But I did. Like, it was a little like, if we were doing, like, it's softball. So who cares? There was interference by Lane Kiffin. But again, I was like, ha, ha, ha, ha, let me go around you. Yeah. Was going like 70%. And then if he did make a crazy,

like, catch, I did try and get around him and they tagged me out. But why am I getting the blame for

you not running hard? Yeah. Also, I, I didn't agree. We weren't, we weren't miced up. One of the best moments because security guard mic is the best. People don't know. He's a stat and island cop. He's been with us for, I don't know, five years now. He's the man. And he, like, it's something about, like, he's so New York. He's such a New Yorker. It being in the South. It's just such a clash. And we don't know that people were playing. I got a, I struck a guy out and might just

yells from my field. Nice it back guy. That's like, I want you to sound like a fan of the yeah. Yeah. That was so great. And they had a woman of the LSU softball team, like nice enough to, like, play with us. It was a coach. She was a coach. She walked a couple of battles. And then mic was yelling, like, at her. It was like, she walked an army. Yeah, we're rooting for LSU. We're against Alabama. I think they, the Super Regional Series starts today as you're listening

to this. So yeah, we had a couple LSU coaches playing the game. It was awesome. Oh, yeah, we're LSU softball team. They were so nice for, let us use their, their field. It was awesome. Yeah. Memes got anything before we go. Uh, yeah, I'll do a quick one. So I only pack socks in underwear this week. I've been just, get buying shirts as we go. Been given shirts, too. Been given shirts. This is where the firefest comes in. I took a tour, probably the nicest

tour ever, the LSU facilities, just in Florida state. So I'm not sure. Yeah. What do you do? Just an absolute piece of shit move. You also, well, later on that day, I think you're wearing

“an LSU bucket hat in a Florida state shirt. Yeah. That's what you're doing. It's just a fan of S”

use. Yeah. Yeah. And then Jacob was wearing a University of Florida hat, right? In Lane, Kiffin's office. It was awesome. It's face balls. It's a good face. And then Jacob, I'll actually you tell him what you said. That was tough. Jacob, that is your firefest. Oh, yeah. I, so I did tell Lane Kiffin at the end. I wore my Gator hat in his office in his base. And I said we're leaving. Hey, Lane, sorry in advance for the Florida game this year. And then he was like,

"We don't play Florida this year." So what kind of Florida fan are you? Yeah.

I usually am like, uh, I will memorize it in July, August, like when it starts coming in.

That's fair. And also, like, we play LSU every year. And now we're starting the SEC schedule of, like, pods and shit. Yeah. Yeah. We said that we said, like, SEC doesn't care about rivalries anymore. And I do. And maybe in the championship game. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. That's so. Either way. Um, I'm proud that I stood 10 toes down. You did. You did. You rattled Lane Kiffin.

“I think I did during softball. I was giving him a little shit. He made a big error on third.”

And I got on camera. It'll be in the vlog. But you were behind the camera. Yeah. No, I know. I did sideline. Returning. No. He actually Jacob did Jacob literally when we beat them. Jacob, like, did a B line to Lane Kiffin. It was like coach. How do you think that game went? I told him. I was like, how do you feel that your team of D1 athletes and coaches just lost

a team made primarily up of podcasters? How does that feel? And he said something like,

you know, we're here to lift other people up and make that feel better. Um, so but we had a good report. I was I was glad that Lane let me give him a little bit of a little bit of shit. Yeah. Okay. Great week, boys. Great week. That means you look swaggy. It's fuck right. I would. Thank you. Also. I thought I had a fart for you, Hank, to solidarity. Yeah. That was put, Frank. Oh, we. Yeah. Oh, we. That one was for Hank.

That was. We're in the pile. Yeah. That was not that. What's with that? What I did was not. It was a. We stand with Hank. Did you guys know this is like this is like this is like the

“All-star game when everyone does a stand-up for cancer. That's what we just did for Hank. When you're like”

open a door and there's like wind coming in and all of a sudden that like, oh, it's a crazy amount of

dust. All right. That's mine's pretty bad. Oh, it's me. Is that you before? No. No. Wait. One more. Oh, there we go.

That was cute. That's six parts. That was a six shooter. All right. That's enough. All right. Did you guys know that we were lottery balls back in the office? We stay with Hank. All of that we missed our 1,000th lottery ball. Do purchase one. We'll do a lot of balls now. All right. Okay. Birthdays now. No, birthday set. Yeah. I just want to say just so I get this on record so I don't forget it's an important birthday on

Saturday. We're going to know we're all to the spot. And then we'll say it against what happy birthday on Saturday to security Mike. It's his birthday on Saturday. Remember to say it's mom. That's the port that's just counts. This counts. This counts. Do you know that we missed our 1,000th lottery ball and ones that? Yeah. That's okay. We'll do it. Our 1,000th lottery ball will be back in the next year. Yeah. Now that Mike is going in. Mel's here. Oh, we missed it. Regardless. Yeah. We missed

your record. Okay. Wrap it up the show. We missed the 1,000th drawing of the lot of ball. Whoops.

“I guess this will count for it. I don't know. This counts for it. I think it does. Yeah. Those”

ones don't count. So, wait. This is actually 999, right? I have no idea. I think it is. Part of my balls. You let us know. Numbers for everyone. 16, 28, 76. 85. We got 21. Jacob. 18.

[APPLAUSE] 12. 12. Nobody. Nobody.

No more. No more. All right, quick. No one. No one.

No one. All right. Have a great week and love you guys and happy birthday to security Mike on Saturday. Yep. He's the man.

Happy birthday to Julie and Edelman. when Jules, shout out Jules, happy birthday. Hank probably has another family member whose birthday is this week too. It seems to be that time of year.

Happy birthday to Lori Markin and happy birthday to Anthony Richardson. Kind of a member of your family, Hank. You love him so much.

Nice and happy birthday to Aaron Donald.

Did you always kind of a pussy?

Wednesdays showed, who did you do? When did you show I made a modern mistake? There was an error. I'd like to know that I'm like a really good friend. No, it's a modern mistake.

Modern mistake that I made on Wednesdays. What was the modern mistake? Patrick Ewing, I wish Patrick Ewing a happy birthday.

“But I can't remember if it was not Patrick Ewing's birthday,”

it was Patrick Ewing Jr's birthday.

But who else did you wish on Wednesdays show? Crispin Wa. Anyone else? Cross-face grip. Was there any good friends?

Yeah, Will Smith. And I forget who I wish to happy birthday to on Wednesdays. Why? Jason Worth.

It's Josh Allen's birthday right now.

Oh no, no. I'll get it. All right, good. I don't know. Thanks for listening.

I got him on his own out this. I got a head of it.

“I wish that someone's happy birthday Josh Allen.”

Not it. 'Cause he's going to be on a non-shode. Got it. Did say that. So Patrick Ewing Jr was his birthday, not Patrick Ewing.

Yeah, but you can see one can make that mistake. He missed the junior. He missed the junior on that one. But also Josh Allen did share a birthday with Crispin Wa. Nice.

Oh, it beams, anyone? No, I think he got it. Shout out the bus driver. Open roads aren't easy. Yeah.

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