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$5,000 get in price was actually a bargain. If you went to that game in your next fan, because what you got was probably the best night of your life. Yeah, actually no, that was definitely the best night of your life. Sports will not get any better than that than if you paid five grand to go to Madison Square Garden last night. The return on that investment, it was as bad as

“that first half was and I don't think that many people left MSG. I think there's probably like a”

couple hundred people that might have left early. I don't know. But by and large, I think for the most part, the crowd stayed there. What a moment that was and you felt it building up in the second

away from the spurs and it ended with, you can we have the bait if the spurs choked it or if the

Nix won it. I don't know why can't be both. It was an incredible thing to watch. Yeah, even on television,

it was one of those. I didn't find myself particularly rooting for the Nix. I don't find myself particularly rooting for the spurs. I want memes intact to be happy. Um, but just watching that last time, it was like this, this fox. Well, this is why we watch sports. You know what? It was two is 7649 in the first half. The spurs shoot the absolute lights out. The game starts. We get the two

“cat files right away. Everyone's complaining about the files. The Nix, I think, is bad as maybe the”

rest were to start the game as they missed the goal 10, the cat files. I also think the Nix had zero composure. Like they were unraveling in the first half. They were giving up wide open threes. You had Mitch, Mitch Robinson, get a flagrant on on, on Wemby, like Wemby doing the I'm in your head. It felt as bad as bad could get for the Nix. And it also felt like we were just wasting an

entire NBA finals game. So to go from that to what we watched in the second half and the Nix

to basically come out a half time and be like, we didn't hear no bell. We're not giving up to get off the mat like that. And chip away slowly, make it 15 going into the fourth, you know, get it under 10. It was an OG and an OB, just with the greatest tip in, like it just an insane. He has the block onto your hand fox. He has the tip in. It was nuts. I actually like sat on my couch kind of speechless after the game and like, what do I do now? That's Tom Green basketball,

“by the way. That's what they teach. That's what Tom does. He gets that might have been the best,”

like 30 seconds of defense and offensive combined in the history of the NBA. When you can start with the stakes, yeah, that we were dealing with last night. And yeah, it was, it was a

great awesome incredible first half shooting by the spurs. You knew that they weren't going to

keep that pace up, but it was still like incredible. It did feel like the game might be over. But when they got it, when they started chipping away in the third quarter, you could feel the spurs start to panic a little bit. You could feel the nicks and the nicks fans get more confident, like every trip down the court. There's a lot of room to pass around blame. I will say that when you have that lead in the second half, there's really no excuse for losing that game.

There's some really, really bad shot decision making, some really bad, like a failure to adapt as the spurs as a whole, to not be able to hold onto that lead. Just like stop taking shots,

“eight, 10 seconds into the shot clock. If you do that, you shorten the game enough where it doesn't”

matter that you, uh, you went ice cold from three in the second half. You have a big enough lead that you could protect it, start going to the rim, start getting fouls, get to the line. You don't have to hit a three every time down the court. I know that the three is like, if you have an open three, it's technically a good shot. But I mean, a smart coach would say, you have a 29 point lead. It's okay if you get occasional layups, if you go one for two from the line. Attack the

basket. Attack the basket. You don't have to extend this lead anymore. Well, that was the biggest thing to me is that, and Deer and Fox is getting a lot of the blame and he deserves a lot of it because Deer and Fox with, uh, a layup that did not need to be attempted. I understand his momentum is going that way. A layup that did not be, it need to be attempted with 10 seconds left. Any probably got filed. Oh, Hank, this is actually, we'll get to Hank in a second because I don't know

if you notice something like that happened last night, but Hank just didn't have his phone or something because we were texting, congrats to Zach. Yeah, security guard Mike memes. They were nothing. Nothing. You know what happened. Nothing. So this Hank, this actually looks worse for you. I, uh, my phone died in the first quarter. And I got to watch, I was out at a restaurant. I got to watch the game with no phone. It was actually really, really nice. Yeah, but then after it was over,

you know, the first thing I did, I ran back to my house. I didn't walk. I ran back to my house. I plugged it in so I could text, congratulations to the boys. Some of my good friends memes in Zach because they're on a hell of a run right now and they need to know that we support him. Yeah, but we'll get to Hank in second. So Deer and Fox, the, you can't have the, you can't take that lamp. You just dribble. Yeah, maybe two seconds go off, but you get to the free throw line. You have a chance to

to extended it three. And then equally as bad, he leaves Oginneobi on the final possession to double Jalen Bronson, who has when beyond him 40 feet from the basket, Oginneobi, which it was a one in, I don't know, 10,000 tip, but what made it like possible was that there was not a single body on Oginneobi and he gets a free run right to the hoop because Deer and Fox gets caught ball-watching and going in doubling Bronson, just a really, and Deer and Fox is there like that, so to speak.

You know what I mean? He's like who plays meaningful minutes. So terrible time for Deer and Fox,

shit, he missed those two free throws where he did look like he didn't want to be there. He, I, when he's sometimes and maybe it's energy, I don't know what it is, but he's a big dog that thinks he's a small dog and he starts floating away from the rim and you could see it, like taking jump shots, floating away from the rim, missing shots, that's where it all kind of fell apart and, and they just choke, choke, choke, and the nicks are like have a killer instinct

and they have Jalen Bronson and Carl Anthony Towns big three and Jose Alvarado just incredible

minutes. They did it all. The nicks are just can't be killed. They've done this time and time again and he's playoff. So I don't think, like, there's no lead that's too big. Right, it's not like a fluke. It's this is what this next team is. They are a team that that will step up in big moments

“and not give in and I, when you said the choke or, or it's like, I think it's both. I think the,”

the spurs are the most obvious, the moment is too big and they're a young team that I've ever seen. But at the same time, the nicks are the most obvious killer instinct. We can play bad for three quarters, but it doesn't matter if you give us a shot in the fourth. We will step up. We will step on your throat. We'll tighten up on defense. Jalen Bronson will score buckets, like everyone, OJ, OG and heart will, will rebound the fuck out of the ball. They'll do it all. They do all the

little things. So it's a perfect comp, like it's the, both of these things coming together. I think both them happen last night. I think it was, the spurs are the stupidest team. They are the stupidest. They're young. They're the stupidest good team that I've ever seen and they're consistently stupid in big moments. And then the nicks, no other team I don't think would take advantage like the next take advantage. Yeah. So like even if the spurs are playing against another team, they get a 29

point lead. They're going to win that game usually. Yeah. But the nicks are the one team that you cannot do that against. And, and it felt like, I don't know, I just based on, I don't think that spurs are dead, by the way. I don't think that they are because they're very, very talented. And they're good enough to the point. You think they're dead? All right. Here's here's, because I agree with what you're, I agree with the first part you're saying, that like the, the spurs are very talented. The

problem is you're basically asking this spurs team to finish the job on three games in a row and they can't, like twice this series, they have a completely blown, a big moment. Yeah. Now you need them to do that three games in a row. So it's like not that I don't, yes, of course they could, but now are you trusting them to close games three times in a row. I shouldn't hopefully have it in them. I'm asking them to grow up in, uh, in the span of two days, which is hard to do. But by the way, I have a

step. I don't know that it's like one spot that I'm asking them to improve one at the end of every game.

“It's like, you get the lead and then you, you play with the lead intelligently. Yeah, I think that's”

something that you can change. And if they learn to do that, then they, they're not dead. I mean, it's definitely an uphill climb. You're down three to one and the nicks are really fucking good. I don't think they're dead yet. The nicks, uh, so teams down 20 plus points in the postseason the last two years in the NBA, the entire NBA is 4 and 71. The nicks this postseason are five and three. All right, I guess maybe five and three to last two. Yeah, but that says, they won five games

in the last two postseason where they've been down 20 points or more. Uh-huh. Five games, the

rest of the NBA is 1/4. Yeah. That's this next team. That's their DNA. They just never quit. And

it's insane to watch. Like, they are, they just, I think it's partially like having a guy like Jill and Brunson who can, who, who will just keep fighting. And again, the small things they do, it's just, who's they have rottoes. And he played so many minutes. It does feel like it feels like the nicks have an all star team of role players. Yeah. Like, they might have four of the bet, they might have the four best role players in the NBA right now all on their team. Yeah.

Oh. Uh, I would say heart in a way. By the way, Josh Hart, Luffy and Anobi,

“one of the best role players in the NBA. Not really role players. He's, he's, he's, he's star. Yeah. You think star?”

Yeah. He's star. He's, he's, he's star. Not super star. Not super star. He's star. He's star. He's star. He's, but I guess what I'm saying is like, he's a star, but he plays like a role player. Like, he's a, they've got the grittiest dudes on their team. I know what you're saying. But I would say, he's, he's the fucking, yeah, him, Kat and, and Jill and Brunson are stars and Jill and then the Superstar. Yeah. Yeah. Jalen to Superstar. Yeah. Kat borderline Superstar. Maybe Superstar.

No, OG's, OG's a certified star. He's so good. And he just, his motor is just, he just never stops.

Every, he's always making the right basketball play. And Josh Hart, by the way, he's got a,

to Darren Fox because if Darren Fox doesn't do those two things, Josh Hart's two things would have

been the main story on that comeback where he misses the layup kind of missed times the jump. He didn't know if he was going to dunk it or not. Yeah. You got to make it, you're mine.

“And then he doesn't box out Steph Castle in a huge moment. And that's what he does. He always”

is boxing people out. So he went from, oh my god, Josh Hart just had the worst two minutes to just kidding. It was Darren Fox. Yeah. The, the, the very, very last play of the game, cat getting a finger on that inbound's pass probably saved the game because it looked like Castle had a step on him. And it looked like that pass might have been delivered on time. And they might have lost to an aloeuvre. But by the very, very tip of cat's finger, the deflection saved the night.

It was, it was a cool thing to watch. And then why we could talk about the celebrity row situation that we had last night because there were, there were lots of them there. Her shirt's dog, Kirk Herbsley's dog was not there. Kirk won me to clarify that. Mm-hmm. I'm not going to herbsley. But I didn't realize he had juice like that. Well, he has to be on as a final still. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that wasn't still. That wasn't juice that was his dog.

Is do we want to have the discussion? And I want to hear from Zach and memes. Is Taylor Swift a bad friend for, for calling dibs on the Stevie NYX shirt because it was by far the best one. No, because she also brought one for Mariska Hargitay. Okay. She was also, yeah, you do. Law and order SVU? Oh, yeah. Yeah. She might be, she might be the MVP next fan. Because after the game was over, she like immediately started hugging Jalen Bronson's dad.

She was hugging OG on the court. Mm-hmm. I love Mariska Hargit. Great fan. I would say that it's more about the conversation of what does this mean for Philadelphia Sports fans legacy

“that they lost Taylor Swift? Mm-hmm. They lost her while ago though. Yeah. But I mean, I think if the”

that sports town, if a lot of celebrities were going to a Sixers game, the court side, I think she would also be remarkably ace, Sixers fan again. You don't think she was there for the basketball? I think she was there for her friends. Oh, so Taylor Swift can't like sports? She's been in the next fan. She was rooting for the Cavs last series. She wasn't rooting for fiance's team. Yeah. Yeah. And she was there to watch her name? Oh, you're talking about the seat that I'm going to buy?

Yeah. Yeah. This new seat's going to go for a shitload of money, especially that game. But yeah, I mean, listen, you're already Taylor Swift. I think it's cool. Someone else have Stevie Nicks shirt. Okay. Do you know what I'm saying? But she did. She, she brought one for Mariska Hargitay. I understand, but like it was the three of them all game they kept on shows. I think it was Nick Nickelback. Nicole Kidman. Yeah. That's the Garb, the war shirt ever.

Like that's the one you got to wear if you're Taylor Swift because you're Taylor Swift. Everyone already is eyes on you. You took Stevie Nicks. That's the best shirt. Yeah. You just be a good friend.

“That's all I'm saying. Do you see that poor? I think she's gray friend. I think I think she got her”

friend. I guess the best ever because a quarter million dollars on those scenes.

But still, like Stevie Nicks is the best shirt of those. Yeah. It was, um, it was awesome seeing that shot right after. I think it was right after the, um, the tip in biology and it cut to the crowd. And it goes like Jerry Seinfeld, Adam Sandler freaking out, uh, all those girls freaking out and jumping around. And then there was one other person that was sitting right behind them. Oh, Scooter Braun forgot. Great sports down. Hmm. They were all having a good time. Close personal

friend and Taylor Swift. Yeah. All right. It means Zach want to hear from the boys. How are we feeling? What give us everything from last night? I feel great. Invincible. Invincible. Last night, we sell fucking awesome. I was just sitting Chris Cross-Apsul also front of all four of my TVs. And I was just soup, uh, hyper focus and just this, come, I hate this. I hate what Max does this. Oh, what is he doing? Each grabs this. Yeah, because like you're talking, you just grab it.

I'm trying to fucking grab it. You're the one who stopped talking. Wait, wait. It's still his moment, Max. I want, I want to, I want the people to be able to see him when he's saying this. Fair. Fair. Fair point. Uh, I forgot where it was. Oh, no, Max. You're about to come.

I was about to come. I, I never quit on the game. Uh, I thought that we're going to come back

better than at halftime. Because of the Celtic series from last year, I knew that it was actually possible to come back because they did it twice in their own in Boston, both times against the defending NBA champions. And you knew that would be possible against a very young team. And that's what happened last night. Hey, is that, as you said, means exactly. Oh, okay, is that?

There's an opportunity for the majority of the game. I was, I didn't feel good. I'm not going to say I lost hope or step, but it didn't feel the best. It almost felt as if, you know, we get it under 20. So I go, okay, here it is, Luma Mentum. And they juice it back up a little bit. And then we get there. It's like, okay, this is the spot. This is where they make the run, break the pace, and they knock it up a little bit again. It's okay. I'm not sure what's going to go on here. And then for the

way, the fourth quarter unfolded, I've never felt, please don't sign to the microphone, Hank.

My body was tingling. That's all. I was tingling. I can't, like, stress enough. I don't remember a vibe shift in a series quite like this inside of game. Because it's not just the game. Like, it's not just the first half and what happened. We also had an entire day where, like, James Dolan goes on radio and just starts spouting his mouth off. It's talking shit about San Antonio, care and seeing a championship, getting in a fight with, um, I'm Donny.

Then when Donny fights back with James Dolan, like, they canceled the party again. It felt like the sky was falling for Nick's fans. Nick fans also have a bunch of scumbags. People are talking about on Nick's fans. They're a bunch of scumbags. Yeah, that's post game. Hold on. Yeah, we'll get to that crime. Well, I'm saying before. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. But, but, like, everything that could have gone wrong after one single loss went wrong.

Jordan Woods couldn't get her bag in the game. She actually did get it in the game game for which is huge. But everything was like falling apart. We have a historic run. The next go on 12 games in a row. They're the happiest city on Earth. They lose one game. All of a sudden, we've got politicians and billionaires and everyone fighting and watch parties getting canceled and everything sucks. And then it's the greatest game out. It greets NBA finals game ever.

It's like crazy. I am still in shock. A day later. The the first half, the the only good

“thing that happened in the next in the first half. And I think that's when Wimbie got his, his flagrant, right?”

So there's one, he's got one more, and then he gets the saucy, which makes that non-flagrant that he didn't get from the Brunson show of a couple days ago. That much more impactful. Wimbie was just, he lost control a few times. He's got a little tempered to him. He didn't get his shots. John Robinson good. He did get it. Yeah. He got him good. But he also like, he loses, he loses control sometimes in games. When he gets like somebody just runs into him,

they give him like a small elbow to his side. They push him off balance a little bit. They like pick on him a little in like very small ways. Good playoff physicality. Mm-hmm. And then that builds up for Wimbie. And he just lets you have it. But it's so obvious when Wimbie lets you have it, because the refs call it every single time. He's got like a temper issue. But it was like I was saying on Wednesday's show. Like part of me thinks Wimbie's actually doing a decent job of standing up for

himself where he's just not letting people push him around because you're a skinny guy and you can get pushed around the physicality and all that stuff. And he's like, no, I'm not going to get pushed around. I'm a little exhausted on the way. The athletic article being like, can you believe Wimbie drew a picture in a park? I didn't read that one. Oh my god. I'm a little, I'm a little Wimbie out for a second. I just need a breather. It's going to be nice to have two days in between games.

I mean, who knows what he's going to get up to before that game? Well, I just, it's more that when Wimbie plays like that little dog when he's just floating around and taking to like, it's not, it's not fun to watch. He's so physically imposing, just get down there, dude.

“You're asking the pain. I like it when he gets mad. I think that like this type of physicality is”

good, but it does end up costing his team sometimes. Yeah. And yeah, that was the only downside to the first half when everything seemed to go right for the spurs. Every single thing seemed to go right. And I think losing the game mentally, very draining on the spurs. But then to have to go through everything that they did after like, they had to just sit in that locker room in silence, just thinking about what just happened to them. And then they had eggs thrown at them on their way

out. And Wimbie was probably like, "Ooh, I'm lit." And then they got into the boss. You can use some kishia. And then he gets into the boss. There's probably still silent in that boss. They go home, think about what they've done, go the airport, think about what they've done. Just the aftermath of that is going to be what makes it really tough for them to get over. If they're going to get pissed off in the next couple days, or if they're just going to be sad.

If they're going to be sad about it, then they're fucked. If they're going to get mad,

“they're still in it because they've got the talent I think. Do you guys disavow the egg throwing?”

Disavow, but great arm. Oh, there isn't something like a disavow. No, I disavow, but they have eggs. Stands are scumbags. Like, there's part there. There is not enough talk about how poorly that they have acted after these games. One loss, and it just fell apart.

Yeah. You should never pull a prank on anybody by throwing eggs.

It doesn't that's not cool unless you're like, but it was a good throw.

Then I'm not all next fans. But, but there's been enough. There's been a lot of years.

Not just one isolated event. Well, it's New York, everybody has eggs. Is that true? Yeah, there's just random people carrying around eggs. Oh, they've got the city grocery stores in their whole life. The voting against. They don't have those anywhere else.

“They only in New York. They only New York. Can you go and get cereal eggs and toilet paper?”

And cigarettes. You can't get that anywhere else. Zach, do you have any comment about the fact that just within the last year, I show a speed has done several videos where he encourages people through eggs at him as he runs around trying to evade them and then acting like it's one big joke. Do you think that maybe Nick's fans saw that? They're like, oh, hey,

when we might like it and think that it's a fun video if I throw eggs at him. I think eggs historically are more of a high-jinks fun goof. Not so much a malicious act. In this case, it may have been a malicious act, so I'm going to disavow the egg throwing and the egg hitting wind me on the top of the head. If wind me wasn't a human and he was a target, I'd say it was a great throw. As Nick's fans, are you guys sneaky? I know you're going to

game 5, so you want to watch the championship. You want to see the trophy in front of you, but is there a small part of you that, like, silver lining if the Nick's lose game 5, at least we get to beat

up some more spurs fans back in New York? Off court violence is never the answer because like,

that's probably you're probably thinking that a little bit like, hey, at least this means we get to fucking punch some more random guys in the spurs jersey. This is how. Retweet that this is about. But you did, you did tweet out crime last week. I was talking, yeah, I was crime on the hardwood. Good play. Yes. Crowdside the arena crime. I'm not sure. I was just saying, I'm not, we're obviously, like disavow, but we're obviously, like, every fan base has scumbags. I do not

think all Nick's fans are bad. It's, it's, I do think that these are the worst videos of that. There's a shit, older people in New York City, but yeah, yeah, these videos are real bad. Some of the you're a fouling them. I'm not. I'm disavowing them. I'm, I'm, I'm a vowing all other Nick's fans who don't. I want to talk, let's talk about the Nick's, I'm more impressed by the Nick's fans that didn't punch the spurs guy in the face. When we talk about that, and also, like, if you just look at

the the statistical probability. We've been talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Well, I just get pissed off because I keep seeing all of these videos. It's like, wow, New York's acting a lot like Philly and these are worse than anything that Philly's ever done

“What about Michael Orwin got like paralyzed and you cheered?”

Would there's no there's that sheering is worse than assaulting a guy and ripping his jersey off and giving him a bloody nose What about on camera? Yeah, we're about throwing up on to a small girl in the stance I don't even know your talk. Max or Philly's fan. Max you can get listen, you can get a bumper a bruise Mental trauma's way worse. Okay, so yeah, what about interrupting a podcast and threatening to beat up one of the producers? Was that you memes? No. Oh, you do that off camera. No, it's a big gun

He did not He did not this is how you not true. That's actually fake news memes fake news. You are fake news All right, there's one person on the show that we've not heard from Because they went pretty silent last night No text on the group chat

“I think he said I'm sick and then also said this is worse than the real and three”

Which someone aptly pointed out like they're like hey your team wasn't involved in either of those games. Well, that was my point That was that was that was like that was the worst Sports loss. I don't the rail and three like that stung so much specifically like probably because it was railing Like former Celtic playing for the team that I hated the most So I still think that one was worse and it was like a game, you know, it was it was game sex versus game four, but

I didn't I lost sleep. I lost the significant amount of sleep because of that game. I was sick about it

Even there their box like he I think it was in the fourth quarter. Maybe late in the third quarter

Where he just had one of those turnovers where he just threw like he had a he had no one in front of him and he just passed the ball out of bounds Like it was in between when being in one of their guards. He just passed it to no one ball and out of bounds Turn over from that point on. I was watching in my brother. We're like Darenbalx been bad bad bad and then he proceeded to have like the worst fourth quarter of all time

I don't know I'm not gonna fake congratulate them. I was not happy for them. I'm not happy for them I don't want them to watch them when game five in San Antonio Like I don't know what you want me to say. I don't know what you want me to say

“I honestly I was I like it felt like they were you know the spurs were in complete control”

It was obvious like obviously they were not going to stay as hot. They weren't gonna score 79 points in the in the second half But I think they scored 15 points like by the time there was five minutes left in the fourth. It was it was Just such a tough watch and just the the court side Performative fans and Taylor Swift and all these people going crazy. It it was discussing it was nothing. It was nothing. It was nothing short of Disgusting there was no double fist pumps no real fan movement

No, it's like I'm picking a ball. Thank you. The camp was on them. I think I I do have a question about one thing that you said that you're not happy for them But you did say that you want New Yorkers to win something because they've gone through such a long period of losing

I didn't say I want them to win something. I just I've always joked about how long it's been since they haven't won something

So this wouldn't you know take that joke away But I mean the series is over like it it's over. There's they're like you said pft. There's no way that the spurs Have what it takes to close three more games. I don't think I said I said that. But yeah They don't have what it takes to close three more games this series is over. It's only a matter of time They could be up three to one

Pretty easy like they're there. Yeah, three probably three plays away from being up three to one Darren Fox the fact that he has a max contract is disgusting He completely choked that came away We should be talking about Josh heart We're not and I'm sick about it. I don't know what that that's it. That's it. That's it. It's

You're right. We're not talking about do you want the opportunity to talk about Josh heart? Do you want to live in a fancy world?

“Let's pretend that call it. There's it is what it is we live life is live for we're in reality”

Life is like huh The next one and Josh heart missing that lay up and not boxing out doesn't matter. Are you like when you're watching the game? What what point? We like oh my god. This is actually happening I mean once they got the lead like once once he missed I mean he missed the lay up and it was like, oh, they're

They're good. That's gonna be it like that. That was gonna. You know push them To complete the comeback And when he missed that I was like, oh, there's a chance

But yeah, I always thought the spurs were gonna win like I I the the not like the missing the lay up and not boxing out

It's like that was huge like that the spurs almost blowing that and still winning the game Like that's gonna be kind of a catalyst for them to like if they had one that game I feel like they could have closed out two more games because they kind of felt that like they choked a lead But they still pulled it out and Now they you know, it's tied they're going back home. They have home quarter vanage back

They can win this series and to blow that the way they did and they had an open look like obviously when you watch in slow-mo slow-mo Makes everything look obvious, but He just didn't time to jump like he like he threw the inbound as cat was jumping up in the air like If you just time the jump when he's coming down like that that doesn't happen It was it was everything that everything bad that could have happened happened. I would you think we'd be saying if

If OG doesn't tip that ball in would we be like hey, Jill and Bronson, what a terrible shot that was Yeah, I mean the shot was probably that was probably the plan was to give them a chance for a rebound So I don't I don't think it I mean it was from deep like it was a pretty crazy long shot But I do think Jill and Bronson was like now the Deer and Foxes come over to me We have we have four

Well, that would be four on three on the boards. I Got it I got to chuck this up now. Yeah, and it was a great. I mean, there's a like OG got so high up It was perfectly timed. It was it was the worst kind of destiny Hank is there a small part of you and I respect the hell out of you being a hater Real hater like admitting it, but is there a small part of you that's like I just watched and

All-time sports moment and it was just so cluttered by hate I couldn't enjoy it because I I don't really Yes, like I want my guys to be happy, but I also don't really care who wins the NBA files I just want good games so

In the moment I was just watching and being like this is incredible what I'm watching is incredible

It's not like I was rooting for the next but I was I was just appreciating how incredible it was

“No, I was sick about it. I remember like the railing game”

I was dating girl was living in Boston

Screaming at the TV and I was like lying on the floor after Just in pain and misery and then she came in like what is what is going on?

“And that's that's what it felt like I was just how did you explain that went to her?”

I just like the The the heat won the game railing hit a three inch. She was like, okay, I didn't I didn't know you were spurs fan Yeah, no, I mean she doesn't she wasn't following basketball. She was like, uh, can you like get off the floor? Like this is weird But yeah, I'd brought me back for that moment. It was like it's a pit in your stomach like sickness like yeah There's no way that just happened. There's no way that just happened and it's not even a Celtics game

Like I I shouldn't feel as bad about this as I do, but I did one thing that we can all take a little Confident is yeah, the spurs have had like almost a series of dynasties and looks like they might be on the cusp Maybe another one if Wimby turns into player. We think he's going to be They've also had three of the most iconic. Yeah last minute heart breaking Soul crunching defeats into playoffs

So there was the Ray Allen shot there was the one last night from OG then the Derek Fisher shot Against him after they took the lead on that Tim Duncan fade away with what point four seconds left of the game. Listen when you've had some bad ones Yeah, when you're good when you're as good as spurs franchise right then you're going to be in those moments, but yeah, no, it's good point. Yeah I'm surprised that you didn't jump on what meme said

“You the Celtics trained the nicks you should take credit for it”

No I'm going lead in training they didn't train it the nicks were paused this you had an opportunity to kill the nicks Them live. Oh

That's okay. That's that's worse for you if they lose to the Celtics in that second round match up. They blow it up instead

They believed And then this year they blew a three one lead as the favorites to win the championship against a bad-siccer steven Yeah, I mean we're talking about the NBA finals like that I this this says nothing to do with the Celtics, but if that you know That's the rule. I don't mean just if you're if you're one game away You're going to say in Antonio to potentially watch your team when a NBA championship and you're thinking about the Celtics like I

Went so you know, we were talking about reality a second ago and when you look at the past it is prologue and last year It means it's right that when you lost to the nicks You gave up your chance to end whatever it was they were trying to I mean our best player Torres Torres Achilles like that that that's a huge answer us what point in the series? There's still a couple games. What was the record in the series when he tore his Achilles?

Two in one or in one two maybe on two I don't know. What was it means? It's two one. Okay. Yeah one two Yeah, that was a hell of a night and I'm so happy the boys get to go. I mean the the The fact that they're going to be in the building with the trophy when what point did you think did that? Dawn on both of you

One hour after the game. Yeah, I I just screamed at my apartment. You're like oh shit Cuz

Game five would have been much different if you don't come back if you get absolutely worked if it's first half second half of the exact same

Nicks lose by 30 you're going to game five with Like dissolve falling apart the sky is falling I was in bed on the rewatch and I'm gonna start picking up again. I was like oh, yeah, this is this could be it. It's gonna do. Yeah, you've got to rewatch You got how many rewatches you think you're gonna have and

Side question will you also rewatch the first half? So I ran it all the way through so it's just like let's see the love against how it goes. Yeah

“See if this goes our way again. I mean the spurs are so good in the first half. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you you do know that you have to you have to win this series”

because if you don't Last night is just not didn't exist It would maybe even be worse than not it would exist, but as a joke. Yeah, like if you have Taylor Swift and in haim Doing a jig at Citter Court if you got Tracy Morgan crying and puking and shitting and then crying again and then laughing Hey, this that's gonna be it's gonna be funny to look back on this is what you should look for doing as Taylor

Like this is the if they do not win this series the game for the literally never happened and and PFT's right

It's more of a joke than anything. It's not the best game ever. It's like how do they lose that same? I won that won't cross my mind till it's 3 to 3 and that's knocking out You're going to actually it will turn into your favorite game ever. Yeah, if they blow this if yeah If you like remember when you celebrated winning the NBA championship after game four if the spurs can get it 33 I will entertain that thought but until then do you think there's a chance to get it to 3 so you think it's over on Saturday night

Zach and memes. He's actually whatever. I like I don't care that this series is over

Sounds like you're shaking that they're gonna celebrate. He's thinking about it Like you're gonna be watching the game though and you're gonna be ruining against the next obviously. Yeah So it's like don't even try and say this. No, but like the series is over like I guess Whatever Don't yeah, yeah, I was gonna say like it'd be nice for Zach and memes, but like I

You don't mean it even say no. No, no, you can't say that you don't feel that Zach and memes if you guys thought about what you're going to be wearing to the game. Very important

“I think Polars sending us some shirts us have a ping-bong hack bankie shirt”

That you with the trophy Makes my tits pop

And it's also gonna be like so many nicks fans there. I think it's gonna be 75%

I don't think it's gonna be 75% memes. There's a lot of nicks fans 75% To clinch to clinch the finals in San Antonio. Yeah, every everyone should just head to San Antonio But they get all the spurs fans have to sell their tickets. That's true I think it'll be a solid like 25 30%

I'll think a little bit more. I think the over on that as well You think you think I think higher than I think they're gonna flock You guys are they have to sell all their tickets? I think this isn't fill this isn't an hour and a half drive. No flight to watch a closing championship game There are just so many New Yorkers. There are and they they don't have championship fatigue. It's not like it's a Saturday. Yeah, it's not like Ohio State football fans traveling every postseason

Think there's a chance. Okay. This is like Indiana like the long dormant. Yeah, acid fan base. Yeah You haven't had any anything to spend your money on in the past. You're gonna go to this one

“All right, you should get Larry of Brian nipple rings if you win memes in that”

Be so sick that be so sick. Yeah, thanks again. It tick pick. We got more coming with tick pick starting in July

But incredible. We're so excited for our boys. Well

Almost all of us are so excited for our boys to go to San Antonio, I'm actually excited for them Yeah, I mean, I don't like the next like I'm I'm not saying I I was like jumping for joy when when the next won that game No, I wasn't either but like it's cool like I I can acknowledge that it's that it's cool for them But I can't say that I'm I can acknowledge that like I bet on the spurs going into that game yesterday and then I bet on the next midway In the end of the third quarter because I felt like they were coming back

Like I for most of the game. I was rooting for the spurs and then I switch and then I bet on the next and I was rooting for the next like I'm just not really letting it affect me one way or the other right. Me neither. Yeah. I'm I'm going like straight reporter mode Journalist mode. I just want to join the hell out of the series. I just want more basketball. That's why I do that's why I will I think in theory I want the spurs to win so I get more basketball

“But in reality, I think I would I would rather have memes in Zach get that moment winning a championship in front of their faces”

Well more basketball than also more spurs fans getting beat up. Remember me Yeah, they wanted that where where we go more eggs thrown yeah, they wanted they both personally requested that Zach I'm going to give you the opportunity to make it up don't throw eggs at memes in Zach and San Antonio Don't do that. That's me. Heck. Hey, if you do. Hey, if you do you say like Hank told us not to And then me and Zach will just bring in a carton eggs on Sunday and not throw them in I think

I literally sure the color yeah declare yourself as someone who's who's who's who's Specifically not throwing eggs at you as you throw an egg at him because of Hank and if you really do Caged free free range, you know It's like some as a perfectly sour stand. Yeah, Zach. I'm going to give you the opportunity to try this again pump-up speech New York next Saturday right now go yeah

gentlemen where one game away From moment all of you have worked towards your entire lives This sacrifices you've made the sacrifices your family of a families have made to get here to the precipice of basketball All those hard evenings all those early mornings the moments you thought you were going to quit

They build up to this right here You got to go out there and show them why You were built for the moment not everybody's built for the moment, but today you are one win away Do it for yourselves Do for the people you love do for the sport that you love

Let's go get this win boys Much better much much better. I disagree

Yeah, director's cut. Yep. Yeah, PS if we don't get this win boys don't worry

More spurs fans will get their noses cracked back to crime on the on-course All right, we're gonna Do Send the cup final in a little world cup and then we'll get to our interviews that may have a bonus Preview from out rush where we're doing a little

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“What is it Saturday night? I believe no Sunday night Sunday night will be the the cup will be in the building and”

PFT The Vegas Golden Knights have a Carter heart problem because he has given up five straight games He's given up four goals and minimum four goals. It's a Carter heart problem. I feel like Listen, I'm not a hockey guru none of us are but I think this might be the time And it probably was the time before game five to go to the guy who won you a cup in aiden hell

Yeah, Carter heart from pretty bad and then on the other side The nights have a busgy problem Busy is bussy's electric he's the bussy of the year. I don't know if he's there's been to push back calling them a rookie because he's so old But it is his rookie season. He's on fire right now. He was awesome tonight and Yeah, it was it was another good hockey game no real late drama

It looked like maybe at the end the the nights might threaten to get within one But it wasn't a nail bite or like the other ones. Yeah, and there was that without one goal

“I think it was goal two by the hurricane's so nasty the hurricanes. I mean they they I”

Started to like watching and play hockey because they just Absolutely stay on top of you like we've talked to a bunch of our hockey guys and they've said it and like after they've said it And I've been we able to watch it more they just give you no time to breathe whatsoever And it's it's fun to watch because you just know They're just going to they come at you and waves and they do not stop. Oh

We just had a goal. We just had a goal Chachia just scored. Oh you guys are ahead of me. Sorry. It might also be VAR. So we'll see They all point robots that's in my favorite part. Oh, yep The flag is up. I love the world cup because if a guy scores a goal everyone just immediately points To the rough to be like hey, you got to check that. I've got I've got a couple problems with just the

The new wave of VAR and soccer. It does feel like You're looking at everything and you can find but no one you can't get away with a felony more

And I know that it helps the reps get it right ultimately

But there's an art just like in any other sport to getting away with stuff like if you made every little ticky tack Like holding call reviewable and the NFL it would kind of suck for defensive backs But in soccer now it looks like you just can't get away with shit. Yeah, the by the way All right, so back to hockey real quick because then we are going to throw a saw a little bit. Yeah, goes off We're talking a little bit of a world cup, but

So the stat it's harder hard is the first goal. You can see four plus goals in each of the first five games of a Stanley Cup final

“You have to you have to go but to Aiden Hill you just have to like there's just I don't understand”

So Torterl was asked if consider going to Aiden Hill in the third period. You said oh Christ that might be the stupidest question

I feel like Torterl's heard stupider questions than that definitely that's not that dumb

Especially your goalie that's given up four four plus goals in five straight games in the Stanley Cup final That's a reasonable question to at least ask I would say great question. Yeah, great question it is It was good to see Iho kind of get off the shnide

“I think he was on what like a five game a goal of streak and then”

Jordan stall is just a beast too and and you're right these are these hurricanes are a lot more fun than they have but for the last four years. Yeah Yeah, they've been awesome. Watch it Jordan stall. He He just keeps on doing I mean he's what we say. I think he's 37 years old. I'll check that But the fact that he just every single game that's so that's that's every single game The Stanley Cup final he scored a goal. It's insane to watch and yeah, yeah, like I don't know

As you're a Vegas school night fan, which we're literally just talking to Blutman right now It hasn't gone well the last two games and it feels like you had the series You know if you go even back to to game two and then ever since essentially game three when they the 30 I know they ended up winning that game the three goals in 39 seconds, but from that point on it feels like up Creatures scored it feels like the game the the series has been tilted towards the hurricanes even though again

They lost that game, but from that point on they have just been dominant

“Yeah, I'm looking for a flag. Yeah, fine. I like not getting flag. I think the main main difference”

It was the crank yeah, yeah, my Commodore our boy our boy, Tommy we we need to get him on part of my take He's probably the funniest person I've ever spoken with He he'll just talk for like two hours and it's like every line. It's a punch line That dude is the man when I saw he was on the crank. I knew it might be a a King's kind of night Yeah, yeah, he looked like a crazed man on that crank and he that we said the series

There's gonna be the side by the crank off and pulling out Commodore and game five was a huge move Commodore over T-Pane right now if you're looking at advanced analytics

I've always said that yeah, do you think that the the night's finish it off?

Do you think that after this weekend? We'll have no more finals. No, I think I think Stanley Cops going seven. Oh, okay with or without Carter heart net

“I think they're gonna make a change. I think torts was the fact that he said that's that's the dumbest question”

He's ever been asked kind of tells me that he's that's some little projecting right there Yeah, you think the leading path protests too much. Yeah, I think I guess I I if you could spin zone it It was a good move by torts to answer that way to if if For some reason he has to stick with Carter heart You didn't just sub marine his confidence. I don't know how his confidence could be lower, but you didn't make it you didn't personally make it lower

You kept it or maybe status quo Maybe you say it's the dumbest question He's ever heard because of course. He's going to take him out true good point

Yeah, like no dudude. He's given up million goals. Did you not hear that he's the first goal lead to to allow five goals and his first

Stanley Cops games. Oh, huh. All right world cup real quick We started the world cup Mexico wins a inaugural game of the twenty twenty six world cup two nothing with three red cards Red top all This game is crazy right now Watch that PFT which I PFT replay of just how close they they came to scoring right there

Is the corner. It is a corner. Yes, the corner bet has hit I Love betting corners if anyone if anyone if anyone knows What a good corner bet is please start sending me because I will bet every corner. I only overs But if you're like hey, this game's gonna have a lot of corners just just hit me up I would appreciate that because there's something about corners because like soccer

You know, you're gonna get only two or three goals. It feels like you're if you bet the over in the game You're gonna end up with a VAR that's fuck you one way or the other corners You just get corners. You get corners and they keep coming number five has a throw in like it's a corner kick Yeah, that was crazy But yeah, so the world cup has started and we're getting ready for USA tonight and yeah

The three red cards was nuts though. They were playing ten on nine at the end of the South of South Africa and Mexico So so in the last world cup in Qatar Guess how many red cards there were for the entire tournament. I'm gonna guess two because you said it No, they're four four for the whole tournament and then there were three in the opening match which I saw Clint empty saying like they're just they're setting a tone

That they'd like to get across that's what that game was everybody was watching it three red cards

“They're like yeah, we're not gonna take any shit. They're gonna take plenty of shit”

Just you know when the games start to mean something Don't don't keep the cards in their pocket, but hopefully I guess that their strategy is just like scared them for the group stage Yeah, and yeah, I'm a little bit nervous. I'm a little bit nervous going into tomorrow because If we lose The nerves are just gonna swallow us a lot

Absolutely zero excuse to not making out of this group. I think I was talking to Titus about this earlier today

I think that if the United States does not make it out of their group meaning they finish in third or more likely fourth

Because I think half the third place teams are gonna get out We should just eliminate soccer in the United States. We should stop playing soccer. You can get against the law If you see a child with a soccer ball take it away Stab it deflate it, stab the ball stab the ball make that clear deflate the ball throw it away light it on fire It should be illegal to play soccer in the United States if we don't make it out of the group

That's how it's been saying and that's how that's how favorable the conditions are in this tournament And if it doesn't happen, then that's it. You know what I was about to say we had a good run

“We had a terrible run. Let's never do it again. Take our ball go home play real football. That's what I've been saying. I think we are”

I think we're gonna get a group stage. I think so too. Yeah. Okay, anything else. I think I think that's that we get awesome

I show what one last thing. Yeah, one last thing for the for the world cup I did consult or two top football experts Tom Fernelli and Brandon Walker to get their picks on who can win the world cup Much like they did for for college football this year and Tom won that Brandon's teams are Spain, Germany, Portugal, Netherlands and then he threw in the United by God states of the by God of America

Okay, and then Tom Fernelli's teams France, England, Brazil, Argentina. He didn't Tom didn't pick Italy Yeah, I was pretty shocked by that too. I think I Don't think I can what what what do you mean match? No, it was not in it. Oh, no Why not? They're one of the best teams in the world. Yeah, they won one recently, too

“Yeah, they're not in it. That's easy. They wouldn't last time, right? Huh”

They won the last world cup. You mean no, they weren't in a that that world cup either. They made it two times a row Yeah, they either they either like to win it or they don't like to be in it got it That's the only two outcomes. Pretty much. Yeah. Okay. Okay, that's crazy All right, let's get to the rest of the show. We got Spencer Halls who's at game five at MSG We have Brett Bill. I'm up both those guests in studio and we have very special Mount Rushmore with Mr. Lockwood in studio and firefest

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2016 Spencer Haas ventures one of two people in the world that got the recurring guest t-shirts Yes, actually I have two of them. What yeah, don't know how good you get to them. I'll bring one back Okay, I don't know how well. Why do you guys I don't know But it's here randomly so he's here for batch of party in Chicago and I was like we're thinking about Who we should have on today?

And Spencer was at MSG for game four the greatest comeback in NBA finals history now. Oh, God The part I didn't realize which Kind of hurts because we haven't haven't taped for everyone listening right now We haven't taped the full show yet. We haven't done the the full recap of the game

“I forgot that you were childhood friends with Mitch Johnson. So yeah, how's that going right now?”

You know you win you win game five we got you keep it going. Yep, maybe they're too young to know what they've gotten into but No, it wasn't great. That was not a lot of fun. Well, it was a lot of fun until it wasn't and God it was just kind of just kind of kept happening right all right, though. They'll start it'll stop the bleeding and then Credit them next they just don't go away. They've done this all play off, but Fuck that one's done. Yeah, I can give you a spin zone because I have used it myself

I'm a fan of the Washington commanders their head coach Dan Quinn always gets discussed with a 28 to three

He was good enough to get a 28 to three lead in the Super Bowl Mm-hmm. That's pretty fucking good They scored 76 points in the first half of it had a 29 point lead in this it like that's pretty good That's their same dude. I checked fucking Twitter this morning. I made that mistake and the first thing that popped up was that comparison So yeah, good coach. They've been up what 15 points in every game. Yeah, at some point and

You know, they're young. They're gonna make mistakes, but that's a part of it. Yeah, like I said They're gonna flip it. Maybe they're so young and they don't know the difference and yeah game five Go back to gardening game six. See what happens. It is I do think it's not fair like we've because Wemby has been so good and this first team has been so much fun that like we forget that every single guy This is essentially their first playoffs including Mitch Johnson, which is like it's almost like

We're putting the criticism on them like they're a battle team that's been there a time and time Again, and they're blowing it. It's like this is what happens. This is why it's so hard to win an NBA finals when you haven't been in the playoffs before It's it's hard to win it in any scenario and I Was trying to be optimistic in this morning. I was thinking of I'm trying to try to stay positive and then I had a negative memory I thought back to my clippers team that oh, no also blew a pretty

sizeable advantage in that's your 2015 and you know you you feel it coming when you're on the other side of it

“And we're I think we're up 20 going in the fourth quarter of the first game. We lost at home and”

The momentum can shift by by the game. I mean obviously by the half in the playoffs last night's perfect example, but

You know, you never know how long you're going to have it. You don't want to ever let go of it

But it can shift quickly and it does shift quickly and The spurs can get that get that back. You know, they've started well every game That hasn't been an issue. You worry about that a lot with younger teams Get off to good start ride the home court advantage. Okay, I got it. I got a question off that But I have another positive spin zone in a second put the question off that the

You talk about being on the clippers 20 point lead blown in the playoffs. What's said in the huddle when that starts to shift? Is it like because it felt like the spurs for a minute there had figured out like hey We're not making any shots. We got to attack the basket there again in the free throw line a little bit It felt like they settled it in there and then you have the the Carl and the town's three which was insane you have you know like all these things happen And it just like it what happened in the second half and maybe you could tell me

I'm wrong, but it felt like they just started settling a little too much for the three pointers and for like when be not going inside It's like sometimes you just got to barrel your way inside and just get to the free throw well in in that fourth quarter They were in the bonus. I think with eight or nine minutes. Yeah, you know

“A lot you have to take advantage of that”

But it's you know the quick threes. I think we're what what really killed them down the stretch and in that second half

You know that's water's going to find its level, but I think you know some of those quick shots and get a rebound The threes open. Yes. That's the best time to shoot a statistically the best time to shoot a three But time in score and they're learning the hardware. Yeah. Yeah, there's that one sequence that was like miss three. I think a three offensive rebound Yeah, mystery offense rebound. Miss three defense rebound. Yeah, you're right like the clock

“You need to be aware that each possession is actually two certain extent worth points”

Yeah, and every ten seconds you run off You know deeper in you get a reset you run off ten seconds that all adds up to them That's how you run the clock out and concurrently

I swear when the nicks get an offensive rebound which they're incredible at

It's like they convert it every time. Yeah, it I can remember one up top my head in the series where they missed it But like they just do an incredible job of making teams pay when they give up the offensive rebounds and that's one of the things They're best out. Yeah, so as a big man I want to hear your perspective on on wimpy because we debated this on last show whether or not wimpy was a dirty player Because he's starting to like the words getting tossed around a little bit now

He plays with an edge. He's angry sometimes, but what I saw over the last few games is I think Players are starting to realize that he does he's got a temper and he's young and he doesn't necessarily how know how to control that But they'll it they'll just kind of like nudge him around Give him a little elbows, you know just beat him up a little bit Knowing that if you do it to him

He will eventually snap in a big way and it's got damn it's easy catch winby when he like pushes somebody because he's got the Dolcee marms that go flying out It's hard to control those things. Yeah, so they'll know that he'll like he'll help flip out if you just kind of fuck with him enough Is that do you think that that's something about like wimpy just being young or is it is it more than that? I think that's part of it. I don't think he's a dirty player. I think I have personally

I love the elbow in the Minnesota series. I think everybody's got a breaking point It kind of reminds me when I was a kid and you're you know, you're so much bigger than the other kids and You know, they weren't hanging on me like that by the time I got to the NBA, but You just they beat you up. They're hanging on either. They're grabbing you and you just you kind of get to your breaking point and I think as he gets older as he Matures he'll learn how to channel that better, but

I mean, they're doing a lot of shit to him too and I think a lot of that gets missed

y'all he's like getting in a fight at school. They always catch the first person that retaliates and

He does have some long-ass arms. Yeah, that was just out of mind of their own. That was my other spin zone with wimpy I do think in game four you could see it and it's happened a bunch in these playoffs when it's only one one day off in between

“He does kind of run out of gas and that is like the nicks are trying to run him. That's what they're you can't really beat”

I think we found like trying to beat him up is not really working. It's you got to run him to the point where he gets gas And that's when he starts to float out and become like a guard and not a seven five freak Now the rest of the series you got two days in between each game so he might have his gas and when he has it It's like he's so dominant you can see it almost instantly when it comes out and he has that that full tank He's got kind of a pep that's they're coming pretty recognizable and

It's instant. It's usually like game will start and he'll be like lob at the rim Well, it's really that imparts as well so much early and then you know, I think that's a good point he's he's gonna have plenty of time to fill up the gas tank and He you can kind of see it when he shoots Winnie's on balance and his momentum's going towards the hoop

It's either a make or it's the background, but it's I mean, he's he's too good of a shooter To sometimes have the misses that he does but when he gets tired and he starts kind of drifting Sideways or backwards. It's like Antic dolly. It seems like not many if any of those ones go in right and that usually speaks to Being tired and I mean look, none of these guys have played this much basketball in any of their lives this deep in the season at least

The guys for the spurs that that are still playing at this point right outside of Maybe cornette so it's new to all of them and They got a really take advantage of the rest in between Between game days because they do have that advantage of being the young team and and how you know having the young legs Yeah, when did you have the moment last night where you just kind of looked around you're like oh shit

The old fuck moment It wasn't

“It wasn't when they took the lead. I think I”

Think after that after Josh Hart missed the lamp. Yeah, and then the sequence after that I think that was like off if we can't like the garden just went. I mean, it had been fucking crazy Yeah, what's up? How does she ever heard of a place

It had had to be closed. I mean, it was tough because it the first I don't know

36 minutes of basketball. He was dead. You know, they were they were going early. They were talking shit And I was talking my shit and then I kind of had to

But yeah that after that after he smoked that lamp and then the sequence after that I was like

God damn this is this is just you get that feeling where Whether you'd been up 20 hour money points or not. You're like they're at home now Bronson's got it in his hands. Alvarado's running around making fucking double twirl layouts and shit. It's like Oh boy. Yeah, the opposite of that moment where you could sense like the the garden crowd kind of allowed themselves to be a little curious You're like what's going? No, it's a great. That's actually a great description. Yeah, that was when I think it was a Josh Hart three

From the top. Yeah, right? Yeah, and and I think my demand was that off of Rebound as well. Yeah, yeah, and it was three like yeah, this three it cut the lead. I believe to 16 Yeah, which is crazy like they were like oh that might be like that there was this thing. It was the 19 16 like like

I was just going back and forth, but yeah, but you get

You get depending on the lead you get under that threshold and now all of a sudden the rim gets smaller The butthole start tightening up. You know, it's like that

“That's the point where you like if that's why coaches always say all right if we can just cut it the 10 by half we can cut it to 10 cut it to eight by going into the fourth”

That's when you know that human nature Get to you and it just you just tighten up. It was I think I think what you were talking about PTA I think the moment was right at the start of the fourth when it was I think this fourth started it was a 15 point spurs lead And it might have gone to like 18 or 19 you're like all right this is over. Yeah, and then they got it back And they're like a way to say it was like about nine minutes left. You're like might have been. Yeah, you're right. We're still like

We're on a 16 point land. They're like I don't want to say anything, but let's let's pay attention now. Yeah. Oh, and that it was quick after that because they were after that

It was I mean we were in until the third quarter like I expected to be standing the whole time

That's what my buddy that went to game one told me or game sorry game three he's like you're gonna be up the whole I'm like fucking great sounds awesome and It wasn't really until that point that it's just like the selective All rise. Yeah, I've learned church or something. I know that you have a a deep love for camera And I do I've seen them all over like some of the sports channels talking ball get cowboy out on first take the other day

“He did yeah, saw that what was what was the Wu-Tang clan concert like it halftime?”

Honestly, I was out getting a beer I didn't I didn't hear any of the ones I was hoping for in the background It's like it's like it's like a child. There's new shit Robin soon. It's like a man. Come on, Rayquan Yeah, he only got 10 minutes that is true. It was I I guess I don't know I got caught up in the beer line Yeah, did you ever tell the story you had like a a dipset room? I did it's now it's now my nursery

Oh, no way So what was on the wall in the dipset room back now the nursery it wasn't nothing on the wall I had a couple pillows a shower curtain and then Do they cover I love that. I love that. That's where the baby said and

My wife got rid of that pretty quickly and she moved in yeah, yeah, what uh, all right, so let's go positive memories You've been following the spurs you've been going to a bunch of games. How awesome was it to beat the former Sonic's now Thunder in OKC to watch your childhood friend who's from Seattle Take down that franchise in game seven because you were there, right? It was it was the fucking greatest like one of my Top sports moments playing fan. I mean

Everything's kind of been last minute buddy and I flew down there like fuck it got to go Love shout out my wife Hannah because she's been awesome. She's she's pregnant right now at home and she's been touched She's like, oh, you got to go you know go support your friend So it kind of came together quickly. We didn't like book in the hotel room on the flight kind of thing and I mean I hate that fucking place

Yeah, I hate that fucking I hate that team. I hate that city I have a great respect for him and I've met friends in the front office, but It's like they they did something they brainwashed the fans down there like we had multiple people telling us Why do you guys vote to let to let to let the team leave? Why do you want to keep your team? They like the strongest fucking narrative hate force and like even after after they win this 70-year-old woman's in front of me

Walking out talking shit to us and it's the same thing why do you guys want your team? Leaves oh my god, watch fucking Sonic's gay. Yeah. It's like what a a guy tells like his new wife Yeah, this is why I got divorced and then they meet and then they start talking and they're like oh shit wait

“No, he's not such a great guy. Yeah. You should go on a mingrel podcast and talk about it there”

Ooh, it was pretty it was a pretty special and for me I mean bitches is dad was a John John Johnson's Sonic champion like it's yeah, it's and in in the bloodline

Did you give him a heads up to the titties were behind him? I think he's aware at this point He's but I'm they quite something to see every time they came a lot of camera time And that's here. Yeah, and then it was like someone someone higher up must have made a call because all of a sudden you weren't getting those saying those same

“And the immediate finals. Yeah, we prepared Mike Greenford. Are the scientists going to come back?”

I hope so I Just within the last week the crack and ownership group that sounds like they're getting ready to put the bid in for the for the expansion Added a pretty Pretty flush woman melinda gates to their crew. So I think I think they got their whale now and

Everything's in place. They got a greater arena the fans are ready and We're hoping but yeah, we're not going to get too excited. We've been fooled too many times

Seattle deserves it by the way congratulations. Oh, it's super well. Thank you. Yeah. That wasn't that was an incredible run. Sam Donald the guy the man

Yeah, yeah, he's elite. It's been a great sports show you you've been at the forefront of bringing the Sonic's back And I do think that we're closer than ever the only thing I could see standing in the way would be like if they say Vegas has to get their team first. I hope they don't do that that I'd be some pretty bad By the marketing department if they let that happen. Yeah, I don't know that that's I don't think that Bill's brand equity with any of the fans there. Do you if the Sonic's come back or when the Sonic's come back?

I should say Do you think there's a chance maybe get a 10 day Retires on it. Yeah, that'd be pretty cool. That would be cool. Could you get how how many minutes could you give a team right now the nets? The nets a good 12 to 15. Okay. I still I still play a little bit. Yeah, we are we're actively Looking into the free agent market right now for a backup big man and Washington. I should preface that by saying as a

Wizard stakeholder we'd be in touch. I told you earlier. I'm was curious Yeah, I like what they're doing down there

“You should be you should be and I think as a seasoned ticket holder”

I think that entitles me to make one person all move. I think that's like the extra thing that they tossed in for me So I would I would like to get you a try out for the ways. Yeah, give me some time to get in shape. Okay. Yeah I've got also congratulations on I haven't seen you in a couple of years Congratulations on being in a real conference now in college sports So that's going to tough transition. Welcome to the big ten. Yeah. We're gonna be good this year

Now that we're now our quarterback figured out he couldn't yet The battery so bad about beat you So fortunately I did not watch that game. I was playing in a golf tournament. Oh, that's interesting and Sounds like I didn't miss much. No, it's better than I did. Yeah, it sounded like just a shit I don't think we completed we completed like one pass or something. Yeah, I don't it every time we didn't get past midfield

I don't you had a great first quarter against Ohio State last year. That's true. Yeah. Yeah, good first quarter. Yeah

Yeah, I mean listen that that stadium is one of my favorite stadiums to watch a game at because the the angles so high and it you can feel it rock I love some about college football. You just see Husky stadium. We're like yeah. This is sick. I mean I grew up like Earmuffs going it's my favorite like if you said you get one sporting event one place. That's that's it Yeah, it's pretty great. Yeah, are you gonna go to any World Cup games there? Yes. I got tickets as of now I got tickets for Bosnia

Egypt maybe and then lost when those teams get to you. No, no, what a classic actually no classic rivalry. We're talking earlier You got the pride match. Yeah, I don't have any procedures. Yeah, we'll see how that goes And then I got around a 32 in July. Nice. So that could get interesting. Nice. That's going to be fun. All right So my last question rowback question RTO BACK dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase QSips Polos Who do you jogger shorts a rowback dot com promo critique? I will have Zach asked question, but I have a question for you for the back to the spurs

What is said now after that like is it? What what how do you get off the map because I do think like the craziest part about this series is I actually I'm now I went in this series being like, you know, the next or better the spurs aren't ready

“I think the spurs are better, but they're not ready because you see game two and game four”

Those are games that like a season vet team closes and finishes and doesn't have those errors

So what do you say to try to like because I still think the spurs could be in this like they win game five you never know

They I mean another good start, but that hasn't been a problem That in any of the games of series forum and I think You got to come beat the shit out of them at home and and send a message that you found something you've made adjustment You got something that you're going to stick with as it goes along Get to game six in the garden. You've already proven you can win there and

You've also proven you can lose like really badly. We're not really bad. It just in hard breaking fast Yeah, one point game. I don't horrific fast. I don't get the loss is can't get any more heartbreaking

You point back to to last night and you're like that's the one that that was pretty fucking brutal But you know what a good team will learn from that and a good team will use that and actually get a lot better Oh, absolutely and and the quite I mean they've been doing it They've been resilient all playoffs and they put themselves in positions in earlier rounds and Yeah, look at the Oklahoma City series

They want the game that they need to do at home, and then they went in there and and took down the champs. So they've proven they can do it now

“It's you still believe. I believe you believe fully birds and seven”

Stars and stuff and Zach is a he's a Nick's fan. Yeah, he's going to game five Zach

Go first throw attack. We can put your headphones

Spencer put our headphones. Yeah Sorry, all right. Yeah, we're rusty boys. Zach. You've got this Let's go on Spencer. How are you today, man? I've been better. Zach. How are you? Oh, I'll be full transparency. I have my great day Spencer Sure, I appreciate your time today. I was curious

With the way this bird's team. I know it's a young team, but I mean 29 points in a playoff game Kind of not being able to close that deal Do you at the end of this season if it doesn't go the way you guys wanted it to go or the spurs wanted to go it by apologize Do you think about me moving around some guys or do you stick with the who you got like do you? Is there any thought to maybe like that they couldn't do it

Got some it's tricky because

I mean, it's everyone say like this is the worst the spurs are ever going to be this their floor

“They're going to keep getting better and I don't know. I'm not a front office guy. That's I think”

They clearly have every piece to be able to compete and I think in a year of growth It's it's a tough one because I don't have a straight answer for you. I I think there's areas where they need to get better They need to get bigger. They need to get more rebounding I think Carter Bryant is is going to be that guy. I don't know if that's by next season or not, but There's definitely things they need to address. I don't know whether they have it internally or not, but

You better get this one God you think maybe got to get this one I I think the league the next certainly. I think the rest of the league. It's going to be you know if if the big fella keeps going how he's going It could be could get a little scary. Yeah, if you were to take one part of your game and give it to Wimbie Make him the total package. What would that be?

a 15 foot Post up face up jab jump shot. I like that. I We were taught I think dirt maybe less monks this summer more dirt. Yeah, I mean, I could see him doing that We'll do the monks too is maybe the monks to keep with the Controlling the emotional maturity

Yeah, I mean, I think the monk thing we looked at that and we're like, oh, this guy's about to unlock

Something that no one's ever seen in terms of just like tapping into the weirdness the third eye

Yeah, it's like you when a Umeurtherman goes away and killed it and then he comes back It kills everybody right and with Wimbie. I don't we were discussing this. Do you think Wimbie is too French or do you think he's not French enough? How do I won't see? I don't think he's that French. I think he's got I think he's got a lot of prick in him, which in the best possible way. Yeah, like competitor. Yeah. Yeah, and I love that about him

“And that's why I want him to be able to like channel that it's not like he's not your traditional”

Western European basketball player. He plays more like a guy from the Balkans. Yeah. That's a good point Means. Do you have any questions for Spencer? Means also next fan. This is me and what I do I do I do I do I do it entirely I'll ask I'll ask a friendly one Where's the best place big pick up big old women in San Antonio? Apparently behind the spurs bench

No, I think means it's looking for bigger the river walk. Okay, get on the river walk. Yeah, the boys that mean listen there going game five the L.O.B. He's gonna be in the building They've got all their plans set. It's gonna be something that it's gonna be rocking. I hope they do the fiesta colors You like to love that shit. It looks gorgeous. They got to go. They got to go all black out You know black out. Yeah, but then if if you lose it's you were blacked your own funeral. Yeah, true

But that's okay, but then it just becomes like Goth like everyone's sad not that shit was kind of over Yeah, I like the I like the fiesta colors. It just they don't strike me they don't strike the fear of God in your opponent Yeah, that's true. You kind of get a little like oh we're at a little party kind of fun. Yeah, I like it. Have you have you hung out with the team at all? Have you been around the team? Yeah, I be this last last few weeks in like There's Olenic our member you graduated with my sister plumbly was my tenant in California

So the old guys. I know you know the young guys. Have you seen Seth Castle smile? That's a no man. I don't think so. Yeah, so I love the bottom his dad smiles all the time Yeah, I see the dad the last couple of games. He's the man. He's such it. He's he's it

Where's like he's getting to that point like just so good defensively gets to his spots Yeah, he's got some d-way

“Yeah, a little bit of that too. I love his game. Yeah, yeah, defensively. He's just like that's that's why Bronson is not”

I know he scored 36 on game four, but he like his shooting numbers have been great Steph Castle's picking him up fucking 80 feet from the basket I don't know that there's another guy in a league that has a combination of the size that he has in the foot speed the agility to be able to like be guys the spot Take the hit in the chest and have it now. He does get a little overzealous with

Files feel the frog any reaches from time to time, but I mean, that's an incredible Ability to have and advantage to have as an on-ball defender. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right, Spencer you're the best Long time one of our first guys ever on the show so we appreciate your support. You know we celebrate 10 years but seriously like congratulations, you're one of those guys. But you're like hey, I like these guys

It was that that meant a lot to us so it means you know you've always been a friend so appreciate it

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And now here's Coach Brett Bilima. Okay we now welcome on a very very very very special guest recurring guest head football coach of the Illinois Fighting Alignite. It is Brett Bilima.

In studio who's now I think this is your third or fourth time coming on. I think it's three

four. It's kind of crazy that we've we just become legitimate friends through everything all of our history and like I even this past year I met your wife who we had the back and forth with and we've become friends so it's great to have you here. It's great talk football.

“Yeah. Even though we're I think we're probably like 90 days out. It's still good to talk some”

football. Do you feel it coming? 93 days out. Okay. Okay. But we open up on a Thursday so we're a little bit ahead everybody else but yeah it's 93 days out. Yeah and you look great you got the Hawaiian shirt on. What why are you dressed like this today? You know I think two things first I want to come on and be comfortable right so I kind of bring out my Andy Reed in herself with a Hawaiian shirt but also just this is a little Tommy look. Yeah we're a Nike school but like to wrap the

Tommy everyone's one. It's a great looking shirt. It's a no spring football game for you guys right? We didn't you know I was gonna pitch two things to you guys right like first the well-being of Illinois football but I know you're into buying big things. We are putting into largest video board in all of the world. Okay. United States not just college football. The biggest TV on the planet. Okay. So our old one is for sale. How big is that one? It's big. I don't think it would fit in your

gym but maybe like a section of it. On the roof maybe? Listen we could fit. I just bought some goalposts. They're those who heard that. Yeah yeah so interesting. I now score board. I mean who has a score board? How big is this score? Because I feel like this happens every year. Yeah everyone's huge. So we have a huge Larry Geese. We also have the Geese School of Business which is a big school to Illinois. He also is Larry Geese, a memorial stadium now and he forwarded us a neighborhood of

252 million and I think the portion of that is going to this new score board. I'm in a TV first.

They actually recommended that we have several practices where the score board is playing because I think it's kind of the whole cowboy's big jumbo. Yeah we're looking at it. Yeah so where is the new jumbo trunk going to be located? Is it going to be like a sideline or in general? You know kind of a cool setup. I know you guys have been there but like so the basketball arena is a cross-the-street from us and then you come into the our stadium and it's right in the middle of

those two. So it's really cool when you're coming down the main road in the champagne like this thing is going up. I mean just the framework is there right now. It's like ginormous. It's absolutely ridiculous. Okay well I'm interested in maybe a piece of the old one. The old one

believe they can sell it to anybody. Well yeah so what are they going to do with it? That's what I'm saying. This office. Yeah this office. I saw you bought the uh uh there's some banner you bought the other day I'm like, you know for the sake of the coaches. Yeah yeah yeah yeah you got to do you need a score board. Yeah you got to actually go piss in the uh bill's trough. I got the buffalo

bill's trough. So yeah you're going to have to go do that and sign the wall. I was a second thing.

“Well just to overall uh goodwill of Illinois football I think would be the big one. Yes here's where”

our friendship has to start because like we are friends but also you pushed it a little too much because I but did I not give you great college memories. You gave me great college memories but then I had I had the thing that I said a couple months ago where I was like hey no one from Wisconsin reached out since then that's really good conversations got some big stuff coming with Wisconsin NL. The very first taxed after the show went live was Coach Billama being like hey

you see you know your money's good here and I was like please don't do this. Yeah I've had that responded. Yeah you were doing a good job right. I mean listen you're networking. Yeah you know after uh we're not gonna mention names or teams but there's a certain

varsity employee that was tied into Michigan and they took one of my guys. Yeah yeah for a check

right and yeah I don't know if he's an employee he owns the company but yeah. Yeah it's partially him it's partially Larry L. I was here. Yeah we don't know who we're talking about right now. Could be anyone. Have you paid attention to the bill that's about to go through Congress right now because we just talked to a senator the other day and he can't explain everything and it seems like they've got it's a bipartisan deal. Yeah so it's not gonna be like left wing versus right wing or anything like

that but they've been setting this up with the help of I guess a lot of football coach. Yeah and so what are your thoughts on the bill that's going through and how it's supposed to like make things even. One of the cool things uh I'm also on the AFCA which is American Football Coach Association. So we have actually hired lobbyists that that work with uh Washington on certain things so we'd been a privy to this uh quite a bit and um that that bill that you mentioned there's a lot of

really good things in it but there's some things also that kind of go contradicting to what we're

“trying to get accomplished. So like anything probably uh there's some good and some bad but I think”

anything that could help us get some couch footballs at a place I'm sure as you guys know you love the game like it's at an unprecedented high it's absolutely awesome. Players getting paid people are watching us more than ever the atmosphere that we're at whether we're gonna go to 12 16 24 whatever it is I think it's all positive uh but there are some things that we just gotta get in line like the spending that's going on uh some of the transfer rules like they're just

some some craziness that goes on right now that that the NFL has some three good things to go on for them they have the draft they have a salary cap and they have a scheduling that rotates every year based on your performance. Those are three really good things that have made the NFL what it is and I think the more we pay attention to that and college football I think the better we would be as well. Yeah and so to get some new defense that you put it in this year we did uh

you you're defensive guys so yeah my man Johnny Newton had three sacks right yeah he's gonna be an

unbelievable player one man rocking he's phenomenal uh should have been a first rounder you know he

“broke his foot in in combine prep so that's what pushed him to the second round but he's a”

phenomenal player and his little brother's on our team as well so um but I would say that um when I entered the league six years ago it was going in my six year deal and oh we were running a defense that really only one or two other teams played in the whole league last year at the end of the year we were playing a defense that 13 other teams played uh in in 18 man league so I really uh Notre Dame came in and grabbed my defense coordinator and with that the chance to move and transition to a new

defense was there and that's what we brought in this three three five which is a really a unique scheme very unique preparation where the only team in our league running it really one of the few in college football so the prep for us is gonna be very unique and different and that's made driving a source yeah that's why uh you guys don't want to do a spring game you don't put that on tape well it's because big cat's gonna buy to score board we end up we're putting in to score board

where there's like 20 people in the end zone every day watching practice so we literally couldn't run run run to spring drive that's exciting stuff though yeah I heard also you said you were talking about college football and like to change everything you you're down for 32 teams no that's bad reporting okay well I saw that I thought 32 I saw that you wanted 64 team yeah no what I said was I think it was an on three interview and I said hey I would love to have as many teams enter

the college football playoffs is humanly possible I would not saying 32 that's a funny loaded it exactly I'm 24 I think 24 because here's two reasons everybody wants to get their you know families in a bunch about like what what's going on I think everybody has to understand like there is no time in college football in my opinion where the 16 team or the 18 team in the

and they were in a national championship game and could have won it right and I just think with with NIL with revenue share with with the transfer portal teams can literally look at Indiana right two years after guy takes over they win a national championship walking away with it so I think the more you can include and then I would also argue you know the Illinois Wisconsin game in week 10 when maybe not everybody's paying attention but we both are at eight wins so we need to get to nine

“and to get to ten that game is much more important now than ever before and I think it would actually”

enhance the back half of the schedule and viewership and in entertainment value than ever before so I think the numbers 24 Tony Petiti I think our commissioner is he's five steps ahead of everybody else and and I just think he has seen the vision of this and I think it'd be a really good thing I don't I don't love the idea of playoff expansion past where just but if you do it I feel like you would have to give maybe the top eight seeds a buy yeah to get some competitive games in

the front right and I think two things to to this point if you have a certain ranking right and the top I believe it's actually top eight you would get guaranteed the second game would be a playoff game at home yep I like that which now you're nobody's gonna sit a quarterback or a running back knowing that you could have your first two games one be a buy and the other one be a home game like you're gonna do everything you can right to have a playoff and to play a home game

“you imagine camp random and in the third week of December it's it's six right like it's and I think”

you know the the big picture thinking what what we're struggling with and I love everybody's opinion you guys have interviewed quite a few of them like they all want to live in 2010 it's 2020 six for a reason yeah it's a different world the last three years have changed revenue share the transfer portal teams can't stockpile kids anymore right like I have 48

110 players 48 percent of my roster is new this year it's crazy it's insane when I was at Wisco

we would have maybe 20 25 freshmen come in that would be the only transition and they wouldn't play it yeah most of them now we got 55 guys that are new that's nuts and it's it's young guys and it's fifth year I got a guy Jake Rampero who played two years at Cincinnati for for Luke and then played two years at Wisconsin now he's on my roster right crazy is that yeah that is and he's a multi-year starter right so it's just kind of crazy the world we're living it now the expansion is

if anything you do with the fact that you guys finished right around 24 25 last year and the year before like 16 well it probably factors into it but I've only been there five years right so I think the best is yet to come so I do I kind of just go back to every year even two years ago we beat South Carolina in a bull game everybody said South Carolina should have been in a playoffs two years ago now it was a tight bull game we had managed to clock right and do the

right things but if you give me two weeks of prayer I'll get anybody like I really believe that right

“like if you can get healthy get where you need to be and you have the right quarterback you have”

the right scheme you have the right personality anybody can anybody on any given Saturday especially if you haven't played before now I noticed too in talking about that you said you know Guy went to Indiana and won it in two years you didn't say his name six yeah I get all the pressure in the world

I think you know so I think one thing I do like because here's what I do like it's funny in

our league right we got 18 teams right a lot of different personalities in that room you know the guy I'm probably closest to it sounds crazy like a lot of people are going to say like who's the very similar to but like I really enjoy you know I played in Cochidi or right yeah I do that too yeah he's an unbelievable coach and unbelievable guy right where it's at but signetti the one thing that he did is he has talked the talk yeah from the day he's walked it

and I like people that represent who they are every day I think the greatest thing you can bring an organization is consistency and communication and that guy has been the same guy every day and he communicates very very well right and I think that's a part that I really respect and what he does and obviously nobody can nobody can even question what he did this year is just truly special yeah your game last year against Indiana what what happened at the very

start I know that the score got out of hand at the end but like the first quarter Indiana was famous

for just having just they would just get you know incredible leads really early in the game so

how did that game start well it started off very bad for us so we kind of exchange point and then we went to line up and punt and they blocked our punt for a touchdown so that started but then we threw a touchdown right away we had a big strike loop hit a big pass and so it was kind of a back and forth game net first quarter but then second quarter on it just turned into a landslide I told my coaches on Wednesday actually Tuesday after our first practice on Tuesday afternoon I said hey

these coordinators in my opinion in 18 years or 17 years at that point of being in this business

offensively and defensively are the best I've ever seen in all a college football gym you and exactly

and they did it in a gym you they've been together a long time they don't leave us I think for a reason right like they like what they're being told how they're being told what to do and in the guy that's leading them so eventually they'll become head coaches but I think their coordinators are extremely special have you have you had to make any adjustments or have you taken anything from what Indian has been able to do absolutely we we compete against them I swear there was a tight

end a year ago that that transfer from Wisconsin and he was just kind of a a role player there but he had actually been to my youth camp when I was a coach there his dad sent me a picture of him when he was in fourth grade and I tried to get in on him and and with that text look like he's like he looks like he can play for your coach well so I remember because he actually had I believe he might have had another team's jersey on at my youth camp we weren't going to go and

it was kind of I remembered it when it popped in my head right and the dad sent it to me and and we tried to get down and we offered him a little bit of money but the number he got offered there was quite a bit more and he got drafted I believe in the fourth round this year right they they have really done a good job in my opinion so the olinco chair Bob Boastad was my olinco when I was at Wisconsin they built the get the program from from the foundation a little like nobody

goes in and says hey look at this second story bathroom I got her this you know they always

“build on the foundation and that's what what Indiana did they build on the foundation of olinco”

D line play and they obviously build around it and that's what made him up there and it's it's nice to see that like the big ten you know I'm not like a conference over everything guy I love not question to anybody in the other day was awesome yeah yeah well he listen Lane let's talk about that Lane's kind of living in the past a little bit where it's like they keep talking about how all the SEC so much stronger it's so much stronger the big ten yeah I get it it's 18

teams there's a couple teams at the bottom that have not been great Wisconsin being one of them but there's some really good teams in the in the big ten and I feel like it has evened out a lot more and and you can see it with who's winning the national title I think perspective is everything right and I'm sitting here is a 56 year old dude and I like I know what I've learned in my 55 years on this earth right and your 56 is based off of what I've learned and I remember I was at

Wisconsin we were going back if you remember when there were divide in the teams in the leaders and let's oh yeah I have a sweatshirt that is uh leaders and legends it's just no it's just the legends it's just the map of the big ten west because I missed those days so we're sitting in a big ten meeting and I'm pissed because a twenty five year study showed that the two winning teams in the big ten to that point was Ohio State and Wisconsin but all they want to do is align

Ohio State Michigan Penn State Nebraska and I'm pissed and I'll be grabbing these like dude don't worry about it you can't change 50 years of living right you can't change 50 years of history or hundred years of history those are the four teams that have won national championships everybody thinks they're the teams even though we've won more than everybody else you can't change people's opinions I think that carries into where we are today it's it's hard for people

even for me at Illinois two of the most the most successful years in Illinois football history right over a hundred we've played Michigan two years ago beat them on our turf two ranked teams it was a hundred year anniversary game it's hard for people to grasp that that happened yeah so I think it's hard for people to when people talk about the mid-level to lower level like we beat S you South Carolina last year we beat ten to see this year ten to see two unique

southern season is in the middle of like national championship talk yeah and we beat him in a music

“city bulb of no one wants to remember that right so it's gonna slowly take time but eventually”

common sense takes reality and everything that'll happen yeah I mean the the the the the best case for this was the Rose Bowl this year oh and we were joking before the game we all the whole gambling capet on Indiana because we're like if they just reverse the the helmets here like out Alabama is just getting so much credit for being Alabama Nick Sabons Alabama that's not what they are anymore in Indiana is being treated like Indiana old and that's not what they are

no and it's just yeah the perception it's hard for people to change what they've learned yeah it did true I mean we all go up to red light and stop like if we flip the rules I like that yeah and today when we just stop stopping you know bad we would Chicago travel to be oh yeah well out no but I wouldn't get any of the red light camera I mean I pay so much money to the sea Chicago for having red light and way to get you here is crazy it's not it's not because

it's a it's an important cultural thing in Chicago to like three cars make that left after it turns

red and then if you if you're the third car you get that ticket every time I'm not even running

red lights I'm just getting like you know the little end of my cars just have some anger if you

“listen you should see yeah it's not a very good matter tickets I get it's crazy it's not yeah it's”

hard to change the way people think yeah a couple things from that lane interview I wanted to get your money on from the the big ten perspective is there a big ten coaches group chat

all these little subchast who likes a PJ flat right so PJ and I are really close like he'll hit me up with a roll the boat I'm like you know piss off right I don't even hear that but I love PJ because he is who he is every day right like he's a true gentleman dude but I would say there's more you know I was in the SEC right so I was at Arkansas from come from Wisconsin I just think this league there's a band of brothers that is really strong and I think they'll sacrifice

for what's important to them to the sacrifice of the whole group and I do think that's a live in the real but yeah we're definitely not I think some markstubes who's a buddy of mine it was that you know I played together I was used to share with me some of the things that were on that SEC group chat with Lane yeah I think it was on the group chat okay yeah that's another coach confer yeah we're trying to get the bottom of who all is who's not on that group chat

well I don't think he has any more he's a little down low down he took his 40 million from Kentucky

and took off probably happier that and then the other one is I think a big reason for some Elaine success has been early morning group yoga programs yeah is that something you've considered implementing uh probably about point four seconds okay yeah that's not a yoga tag I'm there's a reason I got a timely behind the loose fit on yeah we tried to do it you listen you looked like

“all it it was the worst thing ever we like Lane and he he's become a friend and we wish for them to”

have all the success so do if you put you in that target Bahama and Lane with his shirt off at the hot yoga and you say who's the football coach it's a blowout Lane I'm sorry not close it's a blowout I know I know his guys soldiers can be watching this you could send him the clip it's just a fact you know I blowout so Lane was at Lane is star for at USC with P Carroll and I was the defense coordinator at Kansas State of CoDC and we beat them that year so that was the only game I

think they lost out here and then their quarterback Carson was at you know one of the highs been um who played so this was 2001 maybe 2002 that Carson's all are known guys Carson Palmer one of the highs been right yeah and runner up was the quarterback at Iowa but that year an age and brought us together for dinner that that that January at a coaches convention and I sat down

to dinner with with Sark and Lane and that was in our younger years right and the thing I've always

been able to appreciate about Lane is like on game day there's nobody better like I've watched our film just to see how he attacks and calls the game it's really he's an incredibly gifted mind obviously really really cool person I get it what players go there um now sometimes the

“money helps but like he is an incredibly talented coach and in a great visionary I think he's”

really good for a game yeah I mean you guys have a little buddy rivalry going with with USC now I think that game last year was insane yeah from your perspective on the side line what was the range of emotions he felt there well you know we fumble two times inside of five yard line and we want to walk off he'll go um and it was it was a game that I thought we could win going into it you know we do spring sound report summer sky reports the more I watched and we hadn't played him I thought we could play

some downhill football little old school whisk away that we used to play which is kind of what happened and then uh but their quarterback was electric dead a wider receiver that was unbelievable and and but I knew when they scored I thought we could go down and manipulate the game and we had to walk off field goal um our quarter our field goal kicker in an embodden but he's no longer with us but he was one of the best in the country we had to walk off field goals last year so I

knew if we could kind of manage it the right way we get that W and that was a big one for us how hard is that going into the transfer portal knowing like hey there's guys I love here that someone just gonna offer them so much money that we don't have yeah well a year ago everybody was kind of on the same pain scale right now it's kind of become a little bit indifferent but you know you know

David Lano's just got a kid here I loved him first school to offer him he's at our camp

uh came to us I remember when his dad called me and told me what was going on his dad was very emotional like I didn't want to see this kid go right from Illinois but you know for him he wanted certain things and and want a bigger name brand value um so that's part of the thing I go too early it's hard for people to change their perspective right but if you're a kicker and you kick well and more of the stadium each more of the stadium in Illinois it's one of the hardest

stadiums in the country to kick him he's a 95% kick full kicker I'm like dude what in your senior year this is exactly what you want yeah yeah yeah got to get kids to understand what's ahead of them not what's behind them right and you know for us you know there's a 138 division one football team is one of those football season I've had a bolt load of guys go to the NFL and have

“not just getting invited they stay right and I think that's a big part you got to point out to”

and smart strategy by you to be welcoming to to kids being able to transfer because I think there are some coaches that try to resist it and it's like you see when you when I'm sure you use it as part of your recruiting where you're like hey if at some point we get to get you to a point that you can then go make more money somewhere else I'm not going to be making this think of it like

to my coaches and my players the greatest thing you bring an organization is communication and consistency and communications is a two-way street just like we're talking like I'm here in you you're here in me and we work off each other but consistent you got to be the same guy every day right

and I always say like you come in and tell me you're going someplace else I'm going to try to put

why I should keep you but I'm going to end it with a hug like there's so many times I've hugged the guy I crying when a guy's leaving and watch them now a lot of them have been going on and had success you know last year Luke Altman who we had on here a year ago with you right like Luke was offered almost two and a half more million dollars than we were paying him to leave us and then we end up playing that team in the ballgame yeah and beat them yeah

and now he's with the droid lions and I promised what he went through and what he learned from most of the last three years is going to help him make success in NFL yeah if he didn't

“live through that he probably wouldn't have a success he's ever now and I think that's a really”

cool thing yeah you ever pitched that to a player like I'm probably the best hugger in the big ten I I think you might be the best hugger I'm thinking through the list of other curds I'm laying out of good hugger it's not a good no hugger oh yeah Bonnie sings not a good hugger I think he just doesn't know contact he doesn't leave it personally haven't ever strive to be that I think you might be not afraid of yeah not afraid did you consider telling your kicker like hey if you stick

around maybe we can give you the scoreboard that would get rid of I had not at that point out of that and but we we tried to come over a lot of things to keep them yeah but it definitely wasn't in the card of tricks you just offer everybody the scoreboard just to take it off your hand just to take it off yeah um you're you're singing the stretches the cubs games and we're going to run this

probably Friday but are you scared of throwing out the first pitch I am I am scared oh I was

I was just busing your ball my my father was a really good baseball player back in the day cubs socks cardinals all came to my dad's farm and my my grandfather wouldn't let him do it um wait that's hold on tell me the story because this is awesome this is like something that you hear so my name is Brett Arnold Bill my dad's name is Arnold Bill month okay every person I ever met from my dad's childhood tell me about how great a baseball player he was I sucked at baseball

I was the worst so he's got he he's living on his farm and they're like what are these

“cool baseball or what is it yeah actually I think my name been like church league okay”

back in the day um my grandpa wouldn't let my dad play football um so he played baseball and was really good at it and I know a couple organizations came and wanted to you know signing him and doing but my grandfather at the time wouldn't let him so that's crazy yeah and it my dad is an incredible dude he actually went to the University of Illinois for about two weeks and dropped out because he's in love with a young woman by name and Marilyn Morris who I'm thankfully he chased her because that

became my mom okay if that didn't connect I mean I would be here yeah so uh but so I suck at baseball a terrible gym class back in the day first guy picks and everything other than baseball and so that being said like I've been half several times I throw out the first pitch I'm like hell no yeah but I can't sing I know I got a little yeah yeah yeah yeah you got to throw out the first thing sometimes I know but I you know uh so I had a kid uh Pat Ferrell uh throughout last week versus

socks and we got a Joe Barnett was thrown up tonight and I called Pat last week I said to

you nervous he's like uh you goes you go you know why I've never thrown out the first pitch and he's

like why he goes because I suck like I don't want to go out and failure yeah yeah yeah I'm going to do a little duet tonight with Matt Bailey our our safety was a really good player okay I don't be going to toss in the let's get some runs no I'm going to throw in the back in let's get some runs okay that's good you got to make sure you're a little hairy carry of addition yeah who's throwing out the first pitch you got to go from the rubber you got to go on a rubber we have a little competition

both of them were deline socks deline and Pat Ferrell Joe Barnett who really good players we beat Barnett on Whisco you didn't you didn't care that okay we really got down to us and Whisco but thank please mind for us we're gonna start it with end of one and a two and a one and a two all right yeah you're good to go yeah you got to get some runs all right so last thing I want to talk to you about because like I said it's crazy we have become friends and and it was great when we went I

think it was the USC Illinois game I finally make a wife who I had tweeted karma at a bunch of times after you it was good it's like just say hello she does tell damage yeah it's like 10 years in the making it's like hey this is all good but one of the things we bonded over is our love for Chili's uh the restaurant so what give me your favorite like Chili's order what's your order you've texted me last night literally from Achilles being like check this out

it's like can you make a chili in champagne but I don't think I've ever been there yeah the text was literally like can you believe this look at me I'm in Achilles and like yeah man I wish we were in New Linux yeah that's a good chili yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I would say start off definitely I'm a Southwestern egg roll guy yeah oh okay you know like you don't go to Chili's and get whatever it gets yeah but hold on you get chili fries are you get a lot of people

“get the Southwestern egg rolls and I think that's not like a super exotic thing yeah I like it”

are you getting the bottomless chips I just start with first okay yeah because I was saying I say

you know I'm going to want the box to go ahead about a certain minute window yeah that's where you got to get going on yeah okay all right so what else if I was order an entree I would probably go like the trio combo yep a little case of dilla yeah each of food Tina right like that we get a get a case of dilla whenever you can probably the jalapeno sausage okay yeah and ribs

“yeah it's good the bonus the bonus buffalo wings I always go with I think they're very good at”

chilies I go chips salsa keep it common with caso and then I'll go the fajita just trio 12 or 16 else beer with it I usually go I usually try to not get drunk because I'm just trying to drink I'm trying to eat all my chips yeah so I'll go water a lot of times because it's like I got I gotta work I gotta focus on my chips like doing the the margarita the famous margarita started and then yep yeah big ball then to clean it up if it you know I've got enough

time then you get the big boy beer to kind of wash it all down on the side we went to Zurt I don't have ever had a dessert at chilies they have a good chocolate lava cake they did yeah I know I don't look at but I'm not a big dessert guy I'm not gonna say you thought that because listen I'm I struggle with my own things but how how are you not a

dessert guy what are you talking about really likes sweets I never really like you know I don't

not a candy guy I've shoot like three sticks of bubble gum on my entire life like I know what is that a real stat where I hate things stick to my teeth have you ever three sticks of bubble

“have you ever blown a bubble in your whole life I'm not that I'm aware of that's why I'm just”

not a gum guy all right so don't like you're not eating ice cream or anything I'm not gonna turn down a little salt caramel ice cream okay usually but like yeah it's not my this is where friendship is just ended we made all this progress and now it's over like this is crazy yeah I don't know I just never really you know grew up in a Dutch family background so we had raises the rice which is a big like Dutch dessert yeah it sounds disgusting I'm aware of it

raisin rice kind of like you know there's some of that rice pudding that people yeah yeah it's a little bit like that but it's very unique and different I promise you like nobody ever thinks and then we also had popcorn and milk we did a popcorn and poor milk on it that was a big Christmas midwest of the day I've ever heard of my life yeah not so it was great but I think it was cheap and it was good and it was easy yeah yeah yeah yeah that's a very that's a very

football coach meal popcorn and milk yeah I love it all right well I last question Robac question are you chobac.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase Cusence polo's hoodies joggers shorts Robac.com promo code take I don't know if you met Zach yet Zach is in the booth how are coach oh we're doing Zach's a man he's a newest member I think the last time you were on was maybe before Zach because it's been about a year I love his interview with Bill yes yes Zach yes yes yes yes so go ahead Zach

coach great see today I appreciate you free time I did see that you grew up on on a hog farm yes has there ever been any thought to bring in the team down to maybe instill some discipline like if things ever get out of hand like well we can go down to the farm we can really show you how things get done I would not trade in the way I was raised for anything I grew up on a farm 2500 pigs you know a lot of times we would get on the bus at 730 I would get up at 530 and go do chores

for an hour hour and a half we never missed my dad in my 18 years and then two years in the

college 20 years that never taken a day off until he went and watched us playing a roseball so I think the things that that I learned right you never take a day off if you do anything we're doing it right because I do as a day where my brother and I we wanted to go fishing so we were building a fence that we kept in like 50 pigs and we we were supposed to put five horses two nails on every fence and we started just doing one at the bottom one at the top

in the fence look great until you put all the pigs in it and we came in on a on a Saturday morning I remember nurse pigs all over our farm and we're like what the hell that it's because we cut a corner and it looked good until it's really had to work right yeah and I always go back to that moment like everything that I do is a football coach I wanted to be in tenfold and ten you know intended

to have a result of what we wanted to do I never cut a corner I think our guys I've never been

on a blue blood type program even when we were with Wisconsin and Illinois were winning as big I've never really fed in it one of the blue bloods because I like to you know put it on a stage where to get a non-stage result and I think that that part to your point is something I believe I am still every day I've never taken our guys to the pig farm there was a moment in my college

“girl never forget like so when pigs have have baby pigs they have about anywhere from eight to 12 right”

and I had four buddies come back I was at the University of Iowa and had four buddies come back for a weekend and a pig was having babies and she was struggling I could tell and there was a pig that was dry which means that she hasn't had one in a while you need to help her out so I just jumped in

Wisconsin city kid and he literally was like six five three hundred and twenty pounds and he almost fainted and I went in there and grabbed like four in a row and pulled them out and for me that's all I ever knew and those guys are like like all of them were just blown away but

I always tell our coaches right like when you get a freshman coming into building they only know what

they know they only know what they've experienced if their term parents started to be five minutes early as being early or five minutes late as being early that's all they ever know right so you have to really take that's a true art of today's football as you got to have a hundred ten kids that think the same way and to get it guys to do that is a really special thing underrated part of that story as you refer to a kid from Green Bay Wisconsin is a city kid yeah that's a crazy

is a beast on the concrete jungle of Green Bay Wisconsin it's a great defensive drill like you can't strip the ball like just reach into a hog just pull a pig yeah yeah yeah they literally almost fainted it was hilarious but that's all I ever do yeah is that good question you're following anything else that was all but I can't pay the two of all but that's cool to you yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah this this one we're gonna we're gonna jump off the farm real quick

of that's okay absolutely I'm I'm as a consumer of college football I hear so much about the NIO stuff coach what what had to change in your process and recruiting the bit like what was the biggest part like not the little part but what was like the big thing that you didn't feel right about they had to drill home well first off you know the the perspective that we mentioned

“earlier right is 206 you have to forget everything you ever learned like I remember in my senior year”

we played a big rivalry game against Iowa State and I told a coach that was at Iowa State it's been a real pleasure kicking your ass the last five years I really enjoyed it you've been a real prick I got annihilated right like just they're threatening to suspend me like I was a captain

I was pretty good kid never been in trouble coach for I brought me in and he said I stabbed me down

and he's like he goes hey you can't we all know he's a prick you just can't go around saying it and I'm like process and a donor sent me a big Iowa fan sent me a hundred dollar bill I've never seen a hundred dollar bill in my life I literally took it in and turned it into a blinds office because I was afraid I was going to get in trouble I could have done so much for that hundred dollars and now I tell guys as coming in as high school players I'm like hey we're going to

pay a hundred thousand dollars right and like it took me 10 years of coaching before I got paid a hundred dollars that was a good football coach and now these kids are getting this money coming in

“which is awesome I love it but I think we're setting them up for failure right so like one of”

these kids that you know makes a hundred is first year 150 a second year 350 and then a senior year he makes 1.5 million right and maybe he makes an NFL maybe it doesn't and he's got to go to work for for national rental car for 85,000 and then he can't process it right that's the the thing that's coming right and so I think that's the part for me is a coach hey it's just relative to the moment we're in I think the other thing that kind of misleads people right now is there's a lot of

people that are paying kids to be great I don't think that's a right approach I think you pay kids that have been great and just because you pay somebody a lot of money doesn't mean they're a great player just like when I hire coaches I don't pay someone a lot of money to be a great coach I

pay them because they're good coach right like if you're betting on the come it may never happen right

so I think that's a part that college football has to really understand in process yeah right yeah a lot of expectations on 18 year olds like it's crazy yeah it's not and you know you throw in you know all the social media things that can come out of right and in the in the way these kids got a handle things like kids are no different now at 18 and they were in in you know 2000 but they access that they have to people and the effects that they're going to have on our kids

is devastating and you guys have money show all the time like you have a lot of great coaches but there's a lot of coaches are all about them yeah and I would just tell you like for me like I'm very blessed I'm very fortunate and what I get paid and what I do I do a more for now the reaction to see these 18 year old kids that turn into 22 year old and it felt guys yeah

“like that's why I love doing what I do and you know my kids or obviously a huge part of our”

process now but I think the world has really changed in that regard and you know it's a me me me world and unfortunately there's a lot of coaches that take advantage of that moment and it's all about them and you know I see mine you guys shows all the time like it just eventually the truth will set you free yeah and I think that's a part that don't never change you guys are great at what you do you're kind of on the cutting edge of all this thing of what what you know Dave saw

you guys followed it and it's just a world that you just got to stay ahead of the moment you're in so I think that's a big part of it but unfortunately a lot of people take advantage of those moments

shirt is awesome best of luck singing the stretch until next time we share very much thank you very much

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happy belated birthday by the way yeah thank you yes uh you are here for Hank's birthday which was yesterday right uh no Hank's birthday is Saturday okay all right as we've said yeah some people have have screwed that up but you are here uh we're not we're not officially starting Mount Rushmore season but you are a big fan of the Mount Rushmore season and you have done three of them three of the drafts with us so we figured let's just do a tuna let's do a little

stretch before we run we don't want to get injured tune up it's Mount Rushmore where we go me and PFT versus the Lockwoods versus the booth just to get us in the field ready all right we'll send off match before Mount Rushmore yes and uh it's a friendly yeah it's a friendly we're doing a friendly yeah preseason uh and we are going to do the Mount Rushmore non-alcoholic drinks and just so we're clear at the start because of some of our sponsors sodas we're not

gonna do specific sodas just soda is is it pick that is available and sports drink and sports drink

yes okay who's going first we got to figure out we had numbers why don't we go why

we start with the booth we go to Hank the booth lockwoods in me and PFT okay all right all right we're gonna start with soda okay all right good pick good pick we need to start is it just wait to start just one of them uh no we're just going with soda I would say that my my two favorites right now are Pepsi and then Mountain Dew but those soda in general is gonna be our one one good what time the day you like to drink soda what's your favorite time to drink I like to have two

during the on a plane yeah that's my favorite the up time drink soda yep okay good pick all right lockwoods lockwoods uh one one much discuss today we're gonna go with milkshake ah wow okay I actually texted big cat milkshake yeah I thought it was a stroke of luck I didn't think you guys would have it but I thought we would save it for later because it's a controversial decision hmm hmm why is it controversial so I thought some people might say that it's not a drink

“it's more of a ice cream I think they serve it to in a cup with a straw it's always on the”

beverage menu yeah you get a lot of beverages with spoons on not a spoon no sure you don't come a spoon no sure you can't come a spoon some do some don't most don't it's a drink PFT I think I they just screwed up the whole drafts I think we just go one in three three one three one three let's you know what the first pick is the easiest pick in the entire world because I don't know if you guys could exist without it how is water not been picked water's the thing you drink

the most that's boring oh I'm sorry you don't don't drink water anymore see what happens no I mean you need it but it's boring okay I recall Hank being a big fan of the ocean I recall Hank being a big fan of being on boats have you ever you don't drink the ocean uh but it's good you can't you actually can you actually can you actually can you it drives you and say what die yeah but you can do it drives you and saying probably because it tastes so good

yeah that you're like oh my god I'm I feel like I'm crazy now if you if I said you you can't drink what like if I said this was not alcohol drinks you can jump into hold on if I water would be the first pick if if I ask you right now and let's be true serum you you can't drink one thing for the rest of your life soda or water which one of you picking you can't drink the next one exactly the rest of your life it's not sugar water I it's not it's not

not alcohol drinks you're stuck on island with it's the one one not alcohol drink we're doing we're doing

when you when you brush your teeth and morning you need water do that too you don't drink it and you cook food you need water do that yep you don't drink it oh you want to take a shit try shooting without water buddy you guys you're better your body is 90% water do you hate yourselves you do we don't it's you you guys are misskin like you're not now called drinks things drink it's this is but it shows the the wide ray if water's a five tool player water's

every does everything and literally it separates us from every other planet in the world universe galaxy what that may be it's a good final boring pick yeah I mean okay you guys picked ice cream

yeah wait hey what's that first one yeah is that you like ice cream i love ice cream it's not a

drink it's a food it's a delicious drink you need water it's the building blocks of ice cream yeah all right so the second pick is is just as easy coffee done those are two things you need you need water you need coffee but they're not then coffee you're going to sit on coffee

“essential like i love drinking coffee and need to drink coffee but it doesn't it's not because”

it tastes good what you say not alcohol drinks i'm sorry did you say drinks that you like the taste good i mean that's yeah no we're picking the the essentials for everyday acted did you know that you can treat me like if we did alcohol drinks you picked malorpe because it's like a high

alcohol you didn't say you didn't say the most more tasty it's not more high alcohol than most other

shots did you say the tastiest not alcohol drinks or not alcohol I just figured as soon that was implied why was that implied why did that be implied because the not rush more of drinks yeah not alcohol drinks coffee but by the way gold mug still going on one last day we're giving away 15 winners this time everyone gets a plus one we're going to a rooftop in a rigley bill for a night game Friday night game become the office and then all bar stool Chicago will be there

so go buy right now still blue coffee dot com if you buy the ready drink kids it's 10 times the entries did you know that for the enlightenment when we had scientific advances mathematical advances cultural advances economic advances all across the world that was doing large part to the widespread adoption of drinking coffee and people having caffeine other dyes mm-hmm pretty no it's not tasty it can be tasty tell the can drinks the cancel blues are tasty

thank you podcast we're not exists without coffee I guess not just fact all right one of the milkshake boys have next steak I mean this is an easy pick come back around yeah we're going to go with us smoothie oh okay you can get protein you can get everything that you need it's bigger than just a drink

“you guys are almost protein is water having it actually a shit load you should actually look”

it up we should invent protein water it's a great pick smoothie milkshake yeah you took food but like after it's been in a blender all of our listeners who don't have blenders are like who are these guys okay booth boys we're going to take a lemonade good pick nice pick that's a good pick unlike smoothie milkshake very refreshing and then we're going to follow up with its counterpart we're going to go iced it yeah we were going to do that if came back yeah it's a great job

good pick they're both great drinks on their own and then when you mix them together it's a fantastic drink you guys are going to take in either one in either order what made you take a lemonade before I just told Zach to take I said we're going to go lemonade ice tea here just that you could that's actually a question for Zach Zach reverse alphabet recorder got it yeah yeah as you do nice job all right what you guys got hold on we're collaborating I like oh just slow it down

huh oh gravy oh yeah and actually not actually gravy we were talking about pasta sauce

all right we're going to go with our third pick milk oh okay yeah I mean you you your other

two picks needed so yeah everyone is it build strong bones you don't want to do like oat milk or

“something all right I think five eight I like five eight or thirteen or seven and eight two”

look at thirteen though oh I don't think we got thirteen I think we already got that okay let's go eight and seven or five I think we go eight five okay all right chocolate milk chocolate we're taking chocolate any one would rather drink chocolate if you have a little choice between regular milk and chocolate milk you take chocolate milk that's a real drink unlike milkshake which is ice cream

you do your five or seven seven is fun do you want to be fun yeah it's be fun all right we'll take a

pretty sons you got a problem with that just not enough there's never enough yeah always leaves

you wanting more yeah it's true and punching the whole is one of the best things in the world yep and you can turn into a cell phone yeah and if you an LSU tiger you can turn into an alcohol

“drink yeah remember that remember that tell me yeah oh yeah I swear to God this guy had”

probably three hundred Capri sons just sitting out in a cooler and he was like you want one I was like what and he's like oh no dude we put vodka every single one of this it's like okay yeah hell yeah they know how to do tailgating it also becomes like a thing where you you you you almost compete to see who can drink there as a fast yep I think you can probably take down a Capri son about two seconds and then you can fill it up with air then you pop it yeah sure I love I love our draft

it's really really strong we have chocolate the two most important drinks in the world coffee and

water we have a delicious drink and chocolate milk and the fun drink and pretty son we got four that you'd want to party with you got the blender boys over here and John Daley in the booth okay you guys have a fourth pack you said John Daley in the booth like that was bad thing that's not John it's not John yeah yeah but you said but you said John Daley yeah aren't a potter we do semantic games you got the guys you wish they would never never the

guys you wish they were John Daley. fourth pick no brainer easy pick a root pair float I like that one I like this is my five you guys we're doing like by calorie you guys we should actually like we should calculate one serving of all of our drinks and you guys would have like a 2,000 calorie menu right there. I feel like Hank when he texted us saying non alcohol drinks he forgot a couple words in it because it feels like the lockwoods did not alcohol drinks that you would

serve in a five-year-old's birthday party we have shakes we have like if someone like gets like a

serious surgery and can't chew food yeah yeah we basically have like this is how you get

yeah protein and nutrients in your body so those people who come out to vote yes please yes Hank and Kanye West come vote early vote often all the people who are undergoing jaw surgery get out and vote okay we're going to go with slushy get that's a good pick good pick it's kind of like a smoothie but technically more of a drink hmm made of ice made of water fun so she's our fun they are fun okay we're about icey what is the same thing

icey versus slushy that's the same thing what about just the just the brand of slush what about woulder ice that's not the same thing that's a broader that's not a drink okay

“you need you that's a spoon that's what what do we miss I have a coconut water I was going to say”

good nut Tom Brady's good nut yeah yeah bone broth yeah soup I would I should have taken soup yeah apple juice apple juice orange juice yeah apple juice is a lead we got to aren't we we didn't get orange we did not yeah matcha matcha I've started enjoying ice matcha recently what about Boba tea Boba tea's pretty solid choice body armor fantastic body armers the best we got water so we already got body armor virgin piny colada alright body armers more than just water yeah that's true

seltzer yeah I like seltzer water yeah flavored seltzer is not bad I like regular seltzer it's like a sand pellet like a crispy sand pellet grid or a chocolate choco the Italian sodas are really good sparkling seltzer yeah there's actually a cider too um your own piss when you're stuck in a desert and you don't know how to get home or if you're about to go to basketball team here you got a big big ice game coming up yeah what about ginger ale ginger ale's good too now that's so that's so

“good it's also just when you're sick no I think that's what I associate it with I've been on a”

ginger beer cake which is not alcoholic but it's like ginger ale but just way more flavor I think that's the first time that I'm becoming old surely my grandfather used to pound like six ginger beers a day yeah surely temples yeah surely temples sure examples that's a that's a hammering those borderline soda but it's not I was going to touch it it's a chain as pick right there yeah just sugar you get the the shark that's got the cherry syrup in it yeah this is good my rush more warm up

was really I would have gotten real mad about the milk chocolate milk double double pick but you know

“this is just warm up so what would you said please tell that that that couldn't count you that”

I would say that when I would have fought that if I would if I was on the milk side if you asked for milk and I brought you a chocolate milk would you be like what the fuck or would you be like oh that's exactly what I wanted they're totally different things yeah it's like it's a thing it's so it was one cat I don't know how often you could have done I thought it was one cat because of spots so we can show we could really yeah coffee coffee those are all good you've done yeah

you've done yeah yeah that's a big miss by you guys that's yeah if I brought you a chocolate milk you'd say literally this is not what I ordered yeah if you're like hey can I get a bowl of cereal and I put chocolate milk and you're like what the fuck did you actually pretty good well I was cocoa pasta yeah yeah do you guys think cout chocolate nobody took not now called beer no because it's because it stinks yeah correct yeah I'm sick of people lying about how

good not now called beers it's just not just don't drink don't drink beer I don't think I've ever had one to be honest with you you don't want to start no um okay good amount rush more should you do firefest let's do it do you want to stick around firefest sure all right firefest do you have one the lockwood couch does lockwood couch have a firefest it's been a great week for me I mean we did we played play the top 50 course in the country on Monday with the pause charity outing

had the family in town this week brother dad brother-in-law and it's my birthday soldering I have I have I have no complaints this has been a it's been an ideal week what about I guess I guess the spurs the spurs Darren Fox is my firefest yeah what about the fact that you're one year closer to 40

“I'm not worried about that ever so far away how how old are you 34 33 whoa come on I think he's 34 and”

he's wait you're gonna be 34 no I'm gonna be 32 right now let me 33 check that I think you're gonna be 34 born in 1993 are you Hank's planning is birthday to I'm just trying to gaslight me 34 maybe he's done that to us remember he had a set 40 for our entire 30s yeah when you're in your late 20s everybody that's in their 30s is actually 40 yeah 34 will be tough 33's fun Larry Bird Billy strings great number Billy strings 33 years old that's just lucky number oh okay why I don't

know I'm wearing a Billy string shirt and it's got 33 oh they just always wrapped 33

all right so you had a good week good for you Hank great week hmm Mr. Lockwood you got a fire I do not have a great way as well great trip down in Chicago play some golf we avoided all the storms somehow yeah that's pretty good some people are saying their firefests is that Hank took a shot righty this week did you do that with you as well no no ready okay because he did do that he took a shot righty now first time seeing the play lefty

play pretty well oh no PFT it was not putting is it right no no it was actually like probably 150 yards from the uh I have a question happens in fun it was you know my question was you be where you just haven't some fun yeah no I actually wasn't taking your bids it was actually

“our mulligan shot so we needed to get a good shot ah now I think it was not if it was not a”

round where I was keeping my own score though was it with a lefty club no no he said can I have your club real quick we can't do that Hank we we can't do that I wouldn't do it in a round where I was playing like my own ball I would not do that but you know charity scramble mulligan I already took a shot lefty and I was like oh we got a mulligan let's let's have some fun I don't like the fact that you tossed charity and they're like it made it okay because you

it was we were I was I saved a dog with that righty no you actually you probably if you're if you win the charity then you take money away from the charity no we don't you win any event no you win the prizes you win a plaque there were no prizes no there were no prizes well plaques cost money yeah shout out pause great great event actually went up they were selling mulligans for charity yeah and so you can buy three mulligans for 50 bucks and I asked the woman if I could buy

20 she's like what's the point of even golfing I thought this was a charity that's a big loophole too yeah buy your way into the championship yeah they kept it at three yeah so which probably

makes sense but I wanted to just take a million shots you the round in my life yeah

all right PFT your firefest I got two small firefest also a great week things have been going good start of the summer days still getting longer for now I guess first firefest for me would be that the US national team is playing Friday night and I'm going to be out of wedding big T's getting married shout out big T best of luck to him and his his lovely lady but he has been told no TV's at the wedding

and it's big T is the biggest like don't schedule fall weddings because college football he really did not know that this was going to coincide with the soccer community he's a big

and I don't know what the acceptable display options that I'm going to have will be because I'm

I'm hearing that there might be a projector that hooks up to your iPad okay that you could kind of just take over a wall okay but then depending on what kind of wedding it is people might be like hey why are you making people watch sports during the wedding um so I'm kind of like stuck in between rock and heartplay because I'm I need to watch the game yeah I have to you got respectful but I also don't want to be over the top as a rude wedding guest yeah I think you

“kind of I think it's one of those things you have to feel it out you know vibes and then maybe”

first half a little bit and then if it gets tight later because there is I have been to weddings where like last five minutes of a game you get people pumped up if you know it's only going to be five minutes like it is fun it's a fun crime they've got no the no TV rule this is the future Mississippi I don't want to get anyone in trouble with anything like that I think what happened was she asked him not to bring an iPad yeah so she's like as the groom you should not be

like you should not be walking into your own wedding with the distraction from your wedding in your arm yeah which I understand I actually get that but I've been encouraged to bring my own devices

here's here's the rule I've always gone by if I if I'm watching a game or have to watch a game

into wedding it's very low key then if it's there is this good game memorable game at the end you can have people watch with you every minute you watch you got to go doubly as hard on the dance floor when the when the game ends that's true I mean you got to pay it back and you got to be like everyone

“on the dance floor let's have some fun maybe even start because I think the game is going to”

get going during dinner hmm so maybe like cry extra hard during the ceremony yep and really get in touch with my emotions yep appreciate the love and then kind of just bow out for two hours yeah I'll be back I just this I just looked it up I think I I may also have this issue there's a potential that I may also have this issue in my wedding hmm with the U.S. team yes oh no if right so I will be watching either way yeah thank you Hank I don't think there

I can't say that my friends are big soccer soccer crowds so I don't think it'll be too big of an issue but it's a little cup I feel like everybody is going to get and I it isn't the elimination stage of it which I do think oh so we want to be there hey yeah it turns out it's like so two to it was it's like two D versus one K that would be if don't we don't even get it that would be

if the if the U.S. can't comes in second and there and because we're in group D right

yeah and we play one K or I don't know this is that Max is doing scenario we can't know where you can figure this out don't I think I just did to no to D V 2 G it was so far away yes actually it is better if we come in second or group I think overall this isn't possible to figure out what I don't turn realistically I don't give a fuck turn in expansion might have ruined the world cup you don't you're not watching anyway no all right and the other small fire fest is I took

Blake into the vet the other day he has to get like ears cleaned once every six months or so so it took a man there like hey he's he's behind on a couple of his vaccinations can you would you mind if we shot him up with those I said yeah absolutely give him every every shot that he needs forgetting that Blake does not do well with with vaccinations and Blake came home and has just been howling has not slept is just being a real pain in the ass and I think my

dog not to go all RFK junior on you I think my dog might be allergic to Vax's I feel like Fauci is he's got his hands in Blake right now in terms of him to a different dog for about 40 hours after he gets those shots then he bounces right back but it's been a tough it's been a tough day filled with zero sleep because of Blake's vaccineizations vaccine hesitancy so maybe next time I'll ask everything and do I've remacked the next time all right my fire fest two quick ones one

our playoff game got canceled pugs that sucked there's nothing better than like getting your juice self juice up for playoff game and then being like boom no playoff game and then two I took a I posted a picture of memes nipples and he hates me forever and that's it I don't think he hates you forever anymore he's he doesn't hate me there's a little part of him that hates me but that's healthy for me yeah that is healthy but he's got to be on your toes now because any chance he gets

y'all yeah oh yeah it's coming it's it's it's it's getting bad he'd back to me at some point but yeah memes or you have you are you over nipple Kate I'm over it tell I see online now but

“oh you know what you should do memes I don't want to tell you how you're doing job you're very good”

at the memes game you know the two ladies that sit behind the spurs bench what if you photo shop your own nipples on to their shirts what if you sat there for game five I thought about that have you

someone called you jack and a plouse oh yeah that was good I like that one nipple back yeah how much

“how what percentage do you hate me no you're a that's I actually know what we should do we should get”

memes t-shirts like like Taylor Swift ad steve nips yeah who else was a nipple back would have been one and then there was a third nips set nipple oh yeah nipple we got all of them oh man oh yeah that was

unfortunate uh mistake we did golf this morning memes nice so and I'll say this he had an incredible

bounce back he was wearing a camouflage long sleeve which that would have right off the bat he's entered you don't really know where you're looking he's going into his max error yeah and then he took off the long sleeve because he's got a little hot and he had like all these like weird like designs and stuff get your eyes going left right up down can't really find where the nipples are so he he's already he's already fixed it as long as there's not a camera around I'd dress fun

same all right Zack finish off oh my purpose this week I did have a pretty good week this week uh but I guess we're going for lowlights I did have a pre rough rough start to the season which would be the competitive called duty season season four is out I uh there's a ranked system gentlemen

and it goes by SR points so basically like you you do well you receive points in return you do

bad you lose points uh through a series of disconnects I'm probably about 480 points in the hole it will take me probably about five weeks to get that 480 back I've since fixed the disconnect issue through YouTube videos read it in prayers but that's pretty much where we're at what was the disconnect issue they just the game is just crashing ah and so it was like was it one of those things where you'd start a game and because you logged out of the game it punished you like it seemed yeah

they treat any disconnect as you abandoning yeah so the game of crash and then I'd go to try log back in and then it I'd lose the points and then I'd get messages like what the fuck pussy

why did you leave the game so those are always fun too when you care to address those allegations

that you left the game because you're a pussy what the fuck me being a pussy and me leaving the game are two separate issues I didn't leave the game on purpose yeah for those of you thinking that correlation does not equal causation yes got it not a pussy not also a pussy yeah like two separate things pussy and be a pussy sometimes that's not why right maybe pussy iro on game standing on business yes virtually tentos down I don't think you're pussy iro

“I think you got to call your shots sometimes you got to be pussy have you guys thought it all about”

game five in San Antonio like three guys like there's safety and numbers in other man I feel good about our three man if we were to get jumped yeah I don't think San Antonio is doing the jump in but if you we were you you punch and run so like bigger falls you you just hold on but then what do we think about running run it also you're now saying Zach I'm worried about my boy Zach if there's a running situation I think adrenaline speed I

might be right but it's like the old saying like you you don't have to be the fastest you just don't you can't be the slowest I got to trip some body yeah you got to trip memes or check no a

“different guy it might have to be a different guy no I think that's what I'm saying Chase also beast”

yeah he's yeah chase Jamie is gonna say guys guys one fun with Jay they probably think he knows karate Kramma go yeah little song probably does he probably does dude that's the one thing when you're with Jay everything works out for him I can see Jay being secret belted yeah definitely secret belted all right good show boys number eleven one come on I go three I got 33 95 we should have we should have been all right yeah I'll 44 yeah I'll go 73 Jacob Jacob Cole number 42 12

whoa hey why'd you pick one one game at a time for the spurs oh no it's a great sign why

person who is no no no no no there's one more game left for the next that's why it was always

“gonna be one thank you Hank next next we're gonna win a five memes it means saying that he”

Hank just submitted that memes get to watch the next win the championship on Saturday night in person

I don't know how that correlates but I'm happy I won yeah with one how does that mean that he's

gonna have to work somewhere ever it's come this you got some place is to win the league yeah I mean

“this is you have the birthday number it's yeah it's what a present PFT Colton yep Max no no not Max”

PFT Colton memes in Shane but I did oh yeah Shane got me Shane have you gotten it no okay

wow PFT Colton memes history repeating itself already got it you did not you did not I got 10 you did not you did not get it you did not but it also does matter because Hank just one next champion I won you won the next champion thank you I won good pick Hank thank you happy birthday today Friday June 12th to George H.W. Bush to Drew Holiday Hadecki Matsui and Frank Richard Sherman not the football player but he's a composer as names also Richard Sherman and then happy birthday on Saturday to

hand some Hank lockwood 34 years old we love you Hank also happy birthday to sound white side Chris Evans and Mary Kate and Ashley Oles yep nice and to share birthday with him yeah

“and Tim Allen I don't know that yeah remember when we killed him yeah we could forget all right”

awesome but I also have your birthday love you guys you you you you