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June 3rd and boys. We've never done this before. But we're going to do it right here. We're

going to play the ending of the show. The lottery balls first because otherwise we can't do the rest of the show. So this was us taping the lottery ball segment a few hours ago. Let's do numbers. 77. 44. 15. 11. Oh, what is that? 4. 21. It's a matter of age. Just a year. You're a Nova guy. What number do you wear Nova? 5.

It's a matter of age. I've been picking after the fucking Zach and his white castle. I'll go 10. [MUSIC] [NOISE] >> I love it. >> Oh, Z. >> No, let's go. >> Let's go, Z.

>> How are you, Z? >> Let's go. >> How are you, Z?

>> Let's go, Z. >> He's fucking, why is he fucked? >> Means, why is he fucked?

“>> I don't know. >> Wait, you said the numbers,”

everyone could have said whatever no one they wanted.

>> Yeah, it means apparently always takes a lot of time.

>> I've been making it for the past. >> Always take a lot of time. >> I've been making it for the past two months. >> And Zach just took eleven and he got it for no reason. >> Have you gotten it? >> We only tried to took eleven, because Max is 119,000, 11 emails. >> Nope. >> No, memes.

>> How mad are you, memes? >> So mad. >> You just have words. >> Memes? >> No, I'm steaming. >> [LAUGH] >> This is what Yandelle was talking about. You get the school shooter vibe. >> Well, that's just fucked up.

>> Right, do you have it? >> No, that I would go into a school and shoot. >> No, it's that kind of thing. >> [LAUGH] >> That was over the line. >> We're not talking about past. >> We're not talking about actually what about an office.

>> And adults. >> Yeah, that's equally bad. >> Okay, all right, good. >> I thought you were going to say no, not that's that's that's that's boss. >> That's where I speak. >> Do you think they injected that in purpose, memes? >> Yeah, he does everything on purpose.

>> Oh. >> [LAUGH] >> Zach, do you regret this? >> I just saw on the emails, I didn't really think much. >> Oh, so you don't regret this. >> Look, there's no taking it back.

>> No one owns numbers. >> Yeah. >> You're on the number. >> Oh, forgot the wake up again. >> [LAUGH] >> That's how the machine means.

>> [LAUGH] >> Couple guys have headed this year.

“>> [LAUGH] >> I believe it's me big hat and Jacob.”

>> [LAUGH] >> Oh, yes. >> You're also like a not-headed guy. >> Oh, I actually have headed this year. >> No, you haven't. >> Yes, I have.

>> I want it on the first day of the year. >> Good job, Zach, wait a week up for that one. >> They count. >> This machine. >> They have count.

>> Did it count? >> No, it's not like this machine. >> Max, where you're in the old machine. >> Max left the booth and he walked in because it's too awkward. >> He got it on the old machine this year.

He has never gotten it on this machine.

>> I think we should give it to him. >> Something you've done. >> I think we should give it to him. >> No, but I have one at this year. >> No, you haven't.

>> Yeah, this year you've won it, but not on this machine. >> I have one at this year. >> Not on this machine. >> Not on this machine. >> Everybody's got one.

>> I've won on this machine. >> I've won on this machine. >> No, you didn't. >> No, you didn't. >> And you just got his number.

>> How long have you been guessing that? >> Two months. >> I've been doing it for Jayle Bronson. >> He's the next fan too. >> You should be happy for it.

>> You get the rest of your memes. I believe in you. He's four. You might not hear anyone else. >> Yeah.

>> He's actually expanding them. >> He's been retracted. >> Okay. >> Damn. >> Can you do this?

>> That's bad for you. >> It's bad for you. >> It's bad for you. He's out. >> He's out.

>> We can't have this. >> We still want to watch the game on Wednesday or no. >> You guys are playing so watch together. >> We don't want to watch it. >> Mellow highlights.

>> So no Wednesday. >> It's so bad. >> That's tough. >> Back to left the room. >> And now we're back.

>> And things have just kind of snowballed from there. >> Yeah. >> So it would have been impossible for us to do this show without acknowledging that right off the bat. There is some contention.

>> Not great timing considering the nicks are about to play the NBA finals.

The most important series in New York basketball in what 30 years.

>> 30 years. >> So things are at a high boil, I would say. They have the simmering reduced anything since the last we talk guys. >> Meem Zach. >> Max.

>> Max. >> Max. You got to get in the game here, Max. >> I'm in the middle. They need to be able to look at each other.

I should be back. >> I'm fine. >> Okay. >> Here's the fine. >> Find to the point of saying the Zach bit has run its course.

And then kind of trashing them on Twitter. >> Well yeah, that was just out of rage. >> Okay. So has the rage subsided at all. Because like you understand why we had to show the lottery balls at the start of the show.

People are tuning in right now being like why do they hate each other. It would have been very confusing if it was a regular show.

“And then at the very end it's like, oh that's why.”

So this is why. How are we doing? >> We're in the same booth. >> Yeah. >> Okay.

Zach, if there are any other podcasts hiring DME, I can't stand the site of this guy. That was part of my meme. >> You just need a backup plan. >> Meem says one point demanded is trade to any other show.

Then there was also a point where someone suggested that memes could do a show with Receny, and he did not turn that down. >> He did the track meme. >> Yeah. >> That's what really is.

>> Meem did you unfollow Zach on social media? >> No. >> Okay. >> That's good. Did you block him on social media?

>> No. He's good unless the next lose. >> Okay. And then what? That just wrapped.

>> But could it get worse than it's already been?

I don't think it gets worse. It came out hard and fast. The rage at Zach. And we've been sitting in it. We've been stewing in it.

We tape.

“I think most people know that with our busy schedule,”

we sometimes tape things out of order. So we taped guys on chicks and the lottery ball at like 11 am today. And it's now four o'clock. So we've just been stewing in it for the last four hours. What was that shit?

>> I'm going to call for my building manager. >> Oh no, he's probably like, hey, why are you mad at Zach? There's actually a chance you want to pick it up. >> Yeah. >> Okay.

>> No, no, pick it up on air. >> No. >> All right.

So memes is leaving the room for a second, which might be a good thing.

>> It also might be a fake call. >> It might be a fake call. >> It might be him dealing the rage, which actually got a good call. >> He got a call. >> Max, or Zach, let's start with you.

How are you feeling? >> I'm a good spot. I got game one coming up. >> You have not backed down, which I gave you credit for. >> I asked for immunity for memes temporarily.

He granted it to me. I said aloud. I respect the hell out of Zach for not backing down. Why are you going to stay strong here? >> Yeah.

Guys, you got a motion. Sometimes sometimes they got let them out. That's totally cool. No, really all good. >> Okay.

>> No, we do. >> Did you notice, and this is a little bit of jumping around here, but during the upcoming interview on today's show with Kirk Goldberg, Zach asked a question, Zach made a specific reference to Jill and Bronson's jersey number in that question.

That seemed like that might have been directed to memes, but then while you were asking that memes deliberately,

cut the camera away from you while you were asking.

>> He also was doing the Hank face, if we're corning at that. >> Okay. >> Zach was asking. >> Can you show us the Hank face? >> Oh yeah, that is the Hank face.

>> Yeah, that is the Hank face. >> The Hank face. >> Hank, you do a good Hank face. >> Thanks. >> But things are, you're saying that things are okay now.

You're both saying that we're on the right path. You got to come and go. >> Are you still at the finish line? >> Are you still at the next van, Zach? >> Because I'm pouring the memes you're not.

>> I don't think we're going to watch the game together Wednesday. That isn't a couple days, so I would still be open to that. >> You're today. >> It's today. >> I'll fair.

“>> You guys were planning on watching the game together?”

>> We were. >> Okay. >> I don't know if we are still, maybe later in the day, maybe we still link up. >> memes.

>> What game was that? >> Let's just be clear, I've been picking. This is why I'm mad. I've been picking 11 since I'm getting the playoffs. And I said that if any point 11 comes up to the next or winning the finals.

>> So, there you go. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. >> Stop fucking touching me. >> No, dude. >> No, dude.

>> Just stop. >> He was pulling down my headphones, dick. >> Nice villain over sweats, you're probably the way me. >> Thanks. Thank you very much.

>> What was that, Zach? >> V's up. >> Oh, V's up. >> V's up. >> So, that's why I got so angry.

>> Cool vibes are maxed. >> Got it. >> It would have been the greatest omen just start the NBA finals. >> Yeah. >> On the day.

>> On the day. >> Of the finals. >> And he said he picked it because of Max's emails. >> Mm-hm. >> Yeah.

>> So, that is why I am mad. >> Okay.

“>> But the next haven't won a championship in 50 years.”

>> But the number 11 coming up still means-- >> Yeah. >> It's a sign, we just don't know what the sign is. >> It could have been a better sign. >> Okay.

>> So, for people who are still in superstitious. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Fair. >> Everyone here is superstitious.

>> Normally, you guys steal numbers. >> That's fine. >> You steal numbers. >> Well, there's also things that we can't steal a number.

>> Yeah, you say it first.

>> Yeah. >> Numbers are for everyone. >> And I would have said it, but I was fixing the camera because I have to fix the camera. >> And that's where it comes in that you're like, "Exact does nothing. I actually work."

>> Love you saying that was just out loud. >> That was just out loud. >> That was just out loud. >> That was just out loud. >> That was just out loud.

>> That was a real thing. >> That was a real thing. >> I have to fix the camera. >> Yeah. >> You said earlier that you're the only one in that booth that doesn't anything.

>> No, I did not say that. >> You did. >> Yeah. >> I'll actually side with you here because Max looks ridiculous in his visor right now. So, like, that's a guy who's not wrong.

>> Wrong. >> Max is cutting the cameras right now. >> Okay. >> And if he was more attentive on the computer. >> Okay.

>> I'd say he does a lot. >> Okay. >> And that is not attentive on the computer there. >> I struggled some time with that. >> Exactly as nothing in the booth.

>> We just, he just, he just sits. >> He was the other tree. It was like, we, I, the fourth mic now. >> Well, that guy, that, that was good. >> What would you say?

>> I just, that's just negative. >> I'll find it. >> Self, self miscommunication. >> He just posted things. I just sent things out loud.

>> I think he just quoted Zack there. >> Yeah, what did you, what did you say? What was the fourth mic thing? >> Well, that, the guy who's, essentially, like, well, your bit is probably up. And I was like, well, I have to talk because others don't speak up into the mic.

>> Okay. Max, put your fucking headphones back on, dude.

>> Well, the way that Max has been handling this is, it's very funny because memes has been going after Zack. Zack's been also giving it back to memes a little bit. >> Well, that's the thing. >> And then he might have just been like, fuck, that is Jalen Bronson.

>> And then Max has just been buying visors online to distract himself. Like doing, doing, like, just escapism in real time, just logging on to visor websites. >> I got nine visors today. [LAUGH] >> He's partial sports advisor.

[LAUGH] >> All right.

“So, I think that we're in a good spot kind of, and the spot that we're in is,”

if the nicks win the NBA title, this is all forgotten. And it actually was a great Omen and, you know, peace in our time.

If the nicks lose the NBA finals, Zack and memes will just never speak again.

>> Correct. >> Okay. >> That's all right. >> Let's say a lot on the lines. >> We got some juice from this final.

We didn't need more juice, but now we have more juice. It's nice to have more juice. >> We need a nicks win, but that would be a huge bummer. I'm not even going to look to that because we got to get this win. >> Zack, what if you just bet on the spurs to win the finals,

and then if the spurs win the finals, you just give memes all the cash to pay off for his friendship? >> No, we got to see a nicks win. >> Okay. >> Yes, yes.

>> What's your favorite memory of working with memes, Zack? Just in case this is the last time that you guys are on good terms. >> One time, me and memes with the UFC fights. And then it was really fun, but then we chose to walk to the office from the arena. And the most reign I've ever encountered in my entire life came down.

And it was a lot of fun, honestly. >> Really? >> That was like two guys at the ring?

>> That was a good, yeah.

That sounds kind of sauce, my bad. But it was a fun day. >> It was a fun day. >> It was like a pain. >> It was an all-time day.

>> What about you, memes? What's your favorite memory, Zack? >> Do you remember that day, memes? >> I do. I've had a lot of fun memories of Zack.

“And it's tough to see him turn on me like this.”

>> I don't know if he's turned on you dude. >> Promise wasn't a turn, but I see where you're coming from and I respect it. >> This is a max fault. >> Yeah, it is max fault. >> Max, if you read more emails, it wouldn't--

>> You had to read more email. >> Yeah. >> Or get one more. Literally all you had to do. >> Right now, it says 32.

>> Okay. >> You got 20 emails? >> 100, 100, 9,032. >> Good for you. >> Lot of Etsy here.

>> Yeah.

>> A lot ofizers come to the wrong mind.

>> I did. I texted our friend Jerry just to see if he had any words like try to bring you guys together because we can't be going to the finals with the next fans at odds with each other. He doesn't really have anywhere. He's just been calling, trying to contribute in somewhere.

I told him I might call him back. I feel like we're at a good spot though. >> Yeah. >> If you're introducing Jerry right now, that could be volatile. >> That could be volatile.

>> I texted six and six fans. Jerry was the only one who was just like, dude who cares. >> All the other ones were like, fuck up. >> Yeah. >> Okay.

Okay. So listen to Jerry. >> Yeah. Jerry was just like, dude, let's just shut down one B. And we're good.

>> Yeah. >> Zach, do you agree?

“Do you have anything else you want to say to memes?”

Because last time you said so many memes, he physically cringe, and I'd like to replicate that. >> Mm-hm. >> I don't want you to cringe again. That's all me. >> memes?

>> I'm waiting to hear what he says. >> Okay. >> Okay. All right. Let's talk some, let's, we got a shit load of stuff we got to talk about.

>> A lot of stuff. >> We'll get to the NBA finals. Maybe we'll get some predictions from them. They're yelling again. PFT.

They're doing the thing where they turn off the mic. >> Yeah. >> I don't really like it. >> You guys can't do that. >> Not a part of it.

>> Yeah, but you turn off the mic. >> I don't like it. >> I'm literally in the middle of you, dear. It's, there's two of you fighting and it's me in the middle of it. >> It's a confrontation.

>> It's part of life. >> We are booting. >> You got to deal with it. >> Yeah. >> We almost need a talking stick for that room.

>> Yeah. >> If you hold it, then you're allowed to speak. Just too much yelling. It also is hurting that max is like 90% visor right now. >> Yeah.

>> Show me more. >> You're, you're head though. You kids. You're just visor. >> It's good.

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Burst of first round pick a second round pick and a fifth round pick is that right.

>> Yeah, Jared verse a two thousand twenty seven first rounder. >> I know this is lame. >> But my take is wins all around.

“>> Yeah, that's why I told Hank in the car yesterday.”

I think that it's like a rare win win trade because. I, I know this looked at now as being the Miles Garrett trade because we talked about Miles Garrett possibly getting trade for the last few years. And then there was nothing about it and then out of nowhere. Oh yeah, they traded me.

So it felt like that kind of jumped out so everyone's referring to as Miles Garrett trade. But Jared verse is an awesome player. So this is good for the Browns. They get a young. Awesome defensive lineman.

They get a shitload of draft picks. Now you then you can make the argument like well what do the Browns usually do with draft picks. Maybe they just get away better defense still. Maybe they just. >> I was just saying how recently keep investing in their defense.

>> Recently they nailed it. >> They nailed it on the defense. But then with the with the Rams. Now it's like you go back to Matt Staff and you're like, hey, sorry about that whole drafting quarterback thing.

We are in win now mode. >> So proves it. >> So that part. I definitely I've been a defender of the tie Simpson pick. I will admit that it looks a little bit different like as we've gotten further and further away from it.

Going for the Miles Garrett trade is like, whoa, you really shouldn't use that pick for something. If you're really going all in. But so for the Rams. I love the move because well, I hate the move because it's going to make the NFC that much harder.

But in terms of the actual Rams, the move is smart and it's basically they proven that they can do this.

They did it when they won the Super Bowl last time that they were able to rebuild essentially on the fly where they're really good at drafting. They're really good at coaching. They're really good at developing. They did all those things. After they won the Super Bowl, they won five games.

And then they went back to the playoffs and you could make the argument last year that they were the second best team in the NFL. And if they beat in the CX, they probably would want the Super Bowl. So this is smart move by the Rams because they've basically as an organization realize that they can figure out a way to still compete without having draft capital.

“And Miles Garrett, when I think about like Dor Rams and then winning the Super Bowl, yes, it was Matthew Stafford, yes, it was Cooper Cup.”

But more than anything, it was Aaron Donald making those big plays in the fourth quarter against the Bengals. You now have a guy who is going to do that in those big big moments. And they also have completely fixed their secondary. Like, I think we just forgot like Trent McDuffie got traded to the Rams. Jill Watson is Ram, like they've done a lot of work on their secondary, which was suspect last year.

And you have the Rams approving that they can deal with, you know, monetary restrictions in the future, you know, lack of picks in the future, they're going to be fine. They're going to go all in. It's a great move for them. And then the Browns, I think, is it's very smart for them because they weren't going to compete this year for anything meaningful. And this upcoming draft is going to be loaded with cubies.

They didn't want to go into the draft with only a single first round pick where if they end up being, let's say, a six wind team and they're in like the, you know, eight to ten range.

They might, they might struggle to get their cuby the future. Now they have two first round picks. Now they have flexibility that they could possibly trade because it feels like the Browns are building to a point where they got to get the cuby next year in the draft. And if they do, a lot of the other things are starting to fall into place. Shout out to Andrew Barry, the GM from the Browns for being like stunningly competent.

Yeah. When he could have traded him last year, he had a lot of offers last year did not trade him because he said that he wanted a premium young talent in addition to just a boatload of picks coming back his way. And I don't know if this was him like stunting or trying to stun or just flex his muscles in the press, but he was saying that like he didn't even consider it until like, you know,

And that seems like just a, it's a power play move on his part.

“He said that miles Garrett did not request a trade again this year.”

So he was probably just dealing with the Rams going into it. It does feel a little bit to me like after the draft like like the the front office in Los Angeles and McVey probably realize that they kind of screwed up a little bit quarterback situation. And they're like, I'll make it up to you baby, I swear, just give me some time. I'll figure, I don't know how I'm going to do it. But I'll make it up and you'll see, I still love you.

I still care about you. We're still all in and you know what, you know, maybe Aaron's even going to come back. Yeah, I don't want to speak for Aaron, but he might be able to come back now. He has been posting on Instagram with some cryptic captions that if you are of the conspiracy mind and your Rams fan, you're probably thinking like Aaron Donald's coming back to.

Yeah, which would be disgusting if that happened. Yeah, it could, you could be right like they would back if he texted them. Oh, really? What do you say? He said that he's 35 and he's got to see if that fire can light back up. Oh, that's not a note.

Yeah, that's a yes. But you're right.

It less need probably did say to Matt, he's never like, don't worry.

I got your money. I got your money. Yeah, but you know, I got it. You know, I, I would get for it. It's not what it looks like.

These are after this quarterback. I'll also approve it to you.

“It is shocking in the fact that it's, I think Miles Garrett, at least the discussion is we have.”

But I would say it's he's probably the best player who's ever been traded. Like in terms of, he's the defensive, he just hit the sack record. He's a defensive player of the year. Yeah. Like the list is, you know, you could go martial fuck.

You could go, uh, from baddest was straight. You rolled baddest about that. Wait, he was on another team. He was on the Rams as rookie year. Oh, okay.

Randy Moss, but that was also a little, you know, like the shine and come off. I'm saying, like, the peak of his couldn't port a champagne.

He's definitely up there.

It was a great trade. But like the peak peak powers. Miles Garrett just had, he just set the sack record. Tony got to it. He's around.

He was, he was, he was the chiefs. But it was, it the tail tail or end of his career. I forgot if that was a free agency dealer. If that was a trade. Steve, you're on getting traded to the 49ers.

Uh, Al Michael is getting traded for us. Well, to the rabbit. Yes. Who could forget? Yep.

But like, there's, it doesn't happen very often. Like, there's, there's certain guys that have been traded. You know, Marshall on Lynch got traded, but he wasn't fully. Marshall on Lynch all the way there. Cleo Mack.

Yeah. Cleo Mack is in discussion, but Miles Garrett's better than Cleo Mack. Like, that's, that's just fact, but he did. He was a big name. I think they're, they're like in the same atmosphere.

Yeah. My mascara is the best defense of player in the NFL. Right. It has been for for a few years now. Actually, like, going back to, I think Aaron Donald, he retired.

And then Miles Garrett just kind of took over from there. There's Jerry's not going to like that. He's not, but if you look at the, I'm a stats guy. Yeah. Jerry Jerry's eyeballs guy.

“Put it as crazy because that's why it's so significant that you don't see a guy like this traded.”

Uh-huh. McNab, McNab got traded. Yep. At his prime. He did a lot of good news.

Totally his prime. Yeah. 100% his prime. But yeah, it's, it's, it's lame to say, but I think it's a smart move by both sides. And I think the Browns are like, they, I know that they've done a billion rebuilds.

And it all, here's the thing, if you're, if you're a Browns fan that you've got to be worried about is that you could do all these moves.

And they all look good on paper. And I think they're doing the right thing and they've had some really good drafts. It all still comes out of the quarterback. Can you get the quarterback? That's all that matters.

And that is to be determined because it feels like they're gearing up to get that quarterback in this upcoming draft. And if he's the guy, everything else should be in a good spot for the Browns to be good. Like a great place for Miles Garrett to get this surprise out of nowhere. Like a year after you asked for the trade. Okay, well, you're actually on a contender now.

And they're just going to unleash you. But then if you're Jared verse, kind of maybe not the best Monday that you've ever had in your entire life. From Canton, Ohio. From, yeah, from Canton. So he's like a neighbor.

Yeah, no, but he's from Ohio. So he's can't be the, you know, it's not totally. This is the worst place ever. Right. I'm not saying, yeah, I'm not saying like the state of Ohio.

Yeah, bad play. Some saying, just centered around the Browns organization haven't historically been good recently. And there's still a good ways way on offense. Okay. Oh, well, two provoked quarterbacks.

Yeah, that's a fact. But yeah, if you're Jared verse, like, I actually think this is a good thing for Browns fans. It's going to be tough to like say goodbye to the one player that's been like the one shining beacon of light that you've had. You've had the best defensive player in the NFL that you've gotten to watch. You watch him get the sack record.

He's made your Sundays worth getting up for the last several years. It's going to be tough to say goodbye to him. But Jared verse is a fucking stud. And he's going to be a great player too. Then you add in the draft capital that you got.

Like, sky is a limit. Maybe not the sky. But the top of the dome that you're building.

Question for your PFT. He says it's going to be tough to say goodbye. Yeah. Does top monk can say goodbye to Miles Garrett because he if we follow everything.

Top monk in Miles Garrett never spoke.

Does he send him a tax being like, hey man, it was a privilege getting to coach you. I can know you didn't speak to me.

“I think he's an email like the US national team.”

He's an email opened up to acknowledge you have been traded. It's it's it's like very, very funny to think like top monk and just never. He was the coach of Cleveland Brouts. We're going to in 20 years like if top monk and goes on to have great success. And we're we're hopefully God willing still doing this podcast and memes and Zach having broken us all up.

We'll have top monk on the show and we'll forget and be like, hey, so what was it like to coach Miles Garrett? He's like actually I never spoke. I ran him out of the building. I literally never said. I did not like that guy one bit.

Yeah. I know it does seem weird that like I would imagine that monk and was probably pretty happy about this. Yeah. It never seemed like that wasn't to be in the Miles Garrett business. Yeah, Miles Garrett obviously wanted Jim Schwartz as the head coach.

Uh, verbal meme memes. Miles Garrett Todd Monkin meme Zach. You guys can decide which side is who. Just never speaking again. Yeah, so who's who's getting trained to the wringer?

That's the question. Who's going LA? Anyone?

Well, memes that requested a trade.

Memes demanded a trade. Yeah. You will he kind of said a it's either me or him. Yeah. No, no, no.

I'm just a little bit for business. Maybe you go to the. Oh, resell show. That's good. Uh, that's in house.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, he did sell his boat though. Do you hear about that? Yeah.

“Like that's that's we should talk about that on the show.”

I'm not I didn't want to bring it up, but. I thought about buying it. Uh, he went from what is this Tom Brady is liked the. Post about what? This can't be real.

I don't know if I should pick up or not. Okay. So this is this is the so this I was doing the act when memes started going on his. Sprie of saying it was that it has run its course. And I didn't want to spoil.

So I just said everyone tune in to pardon my take tomorrow in the back of my head. I'm thinking if you guys even knew how ridiculous this was. You do like what are you talking about? But right now it's like everyone is assuming. I've been getting taxed being like Tom from LA.

I've been looking for an LA tax me saying like exact in physical like harm. I said no when also yes. Uh, he's not in danger. He's I don't think he's a physical danger. Whitney in the hands all taxed to be unlike what the hell is going on.

Yeah. Uh, people care. People care about Zach and memes.

Tom Brady never called for anyone to go.

No, you just demanded your own trade. Yeah. I mean, it's good to have the bid is run. It's course. Which would imply that.

That's the dump it. He's a smart guy.

“Hey, memes, would you think that Tom Brady do like Tom Brady being on your side?”

No. I look what you've done. Yeah, that's not good. No, he's probably on his side. He bucks me.

So full context. There's a clip a part of my take clip account that. Clipped out big cat talking about it on the yacht. And he said that Tom, he posted a screenshot of Tom Brady liking that clip. Oh, so that definitely did not happen.

So it could have happened. It could have happened. I don't think that happened. It could have happened. It could have.

But it so it didn't even go from a regular. What account was what account tweeted out. The or put out the on the Instagram. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, this could be fake news.

Yeah, it could be. It could also not be. Could not be. It could have maybe was. Who's the set?

Who's the set? Who's the set? What is in this post truth society? It's to say with the dead internet theory and all. Yeah, we don't know.

Okay. Other big trade, which we do is going to happen for a very long time. AJ Brown is a New England Patriot. Congratulations, Hank. Congratulations, thank you.

Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. He was nailed this nailed it. No, memes? No.

That's she told us a different team. Oh, she did tell us Charlie. Well, two things. She didn't report that. She reported this trade.

And then she said, maybe the chargers off the record. This is number one. It's about casting. She said it on this show. Oh.

I thought it was bleeped out. I don't remember what set on this show. Yeah. Okay, I'm going to say walk out of the door. I'm like, hope that went well.

Regardless, the uh, she nailed it. The inevitable trade became inevitable. And he's now a New England Patriot. As we all predicted, it felt like he had one foot out the door for the last two season. You can admit that now, right Max?

Well, after week four last year. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's what it was. And what do you mean after the last two seasons?

You want a Super Bowl. He did win a Super Bowl. But he went on to Mike to say, like, you guys all thought I was a hater.

I thought I was a diva.

Well, you can't say them.

Yes, yes. So that all happened. We think all those things.

“Also, like, men, I'm just saying one foot out the door.”

That doesn't mean that you can't win. He's been thinking about leaving the team for a while. After week four last year. Okay. All right.

Let's talk with you. Excited. Drake may not a drama king, so I don't anticipate, you know, the reason it's not, there wasn't the players in the skill set. It's just, they had drama that they couldn't get over.

That apparently was the, the rift that that started this all. So Jalen hurts by deductive reasoning is a drama. Yes. Okay. Not worried about that.

But AJ Brown. Okay. So it's Jalen. Okay. He said we got it.

Got it. And Mike, yeah. No.

That's a deep water shiver.

That's again. We've talked about this on the show a bunch of times. It's good to be a stud water shiver. You have to have a little divinue. I don't.

I'm not concerned that AJ Brown has it in him. He seems to be the biggest Patriots fan on this planet. And he's been dying to come to New England. He said he had a Patriots rug that he still had out in his house in his basement. That like, wow.

Never got put away. He's had the judge. Since he was a kid, he's a Patriots die hard. For the city, we have a watershiver one. Drake May.

Thick with three seas. So excited. This is something that he wanted to do regardless of who the quarterback was. Or the coach. Other coach has nothing to do with the coach.

Yeah.

“I think obviously him and him and Rae will go back to Tennessee and then Rae was going”

to hold him accountable. He wouldn't have wanted him as bad as he did if he thought he was a diva. Was going to be a locker room. I kind of like where your heads at hang. I think I agree with you.

Like AJ Brown deep down. He craves accountability. Yeah. And he knew that he wasn't getting it in Philadelphia. Correct.

It's like, yeah. You know, everyone's just being to walk all over this. Yeah. He needs a real like head coach like stern figure telling him like, hey, When you step across this line, you remember the Patriots organization.

This is really what's going to get him over the top. You're representing something. That is bigger than you. And AJ really wants to be a part of something like that as opposed to just everyone out there like goofing around, being best friends or whatever.

Yeah. So I'm excited. It's exciting. It's exciting. He said, I know this ain't heaven, but it's close to it. Yeah. That's far from the world.

People say about. Yeah. People drive in the Fox world. Uh-huh. That's the other first reaction.

What's close to having? It's not having. Can I ask a question? Yes. And maybe someone knows the answer to this because I had a pretty busy day.

And I don't know if there's maybe more discussion about it. Is it a little weird that the Patriots treated not this year's first round pick, but 2028?

No, that that was always the.

Okay. The 2027 draft was more valuable. They wouldn't give up the 27, but they would give up a 28. However, as I said, first picks are first picks. We're still going to be playing football.

Got it. I thought it was, I was saying more of the reverse way. We're like, the Patriots are like, oh, we might. That pick might be. No, the aggression happens.

We might want that pick.

“I think it's the GM's say that the 2027 draft is.”

Got it. Okay. That makes sense. But how it doesn't care. How he said, we'll still be playing football in 2028. I like that.

I like the optimism, but I mean, Kyle Shanahan would disagree. The world could, I mean, look, it means in Zach. We woke up this morning. I think they were best friends. And now they didn't even talk to each other.

So anything can happen. Yeah. We need such a good morning in the booth. Max, what is your take on this? And do you want to acknowledge the comments that Henry Lockwood has made?

That's fine. I get it. Like, I've been in your shoes. I was in your shoes four years ago. You got a really good receiver who wants out of a situation. And, you know, super cool. Yeah.

Like, I think that AJ Brown is a good player. I think that it'll probably, I disagree with the fact that you think that this isn't going to turn to shit because it probably will turn to shit at some point because that's just what AJ Brown does. He was really excited to get drafted into the Eagles.

He was really excited to play with his best friend. Yeah. He was really excited to get traded to the Eagles. He was really excited to play with his best friend, Jalen Hertz. He was three time all pro.

Went to two super goals. One, one. Listen. He was good. He was a little talking.

He was a very good football player for the Eagles. He's probably the best Eagle's receiver. You can make the argument that he's the best Eagles receiver of all time. Whoa. He said two of the best.

He said he said two of the highest single season receiving yards. And in franchise history. You know, Fred X. What about James Thras? Todd Pinkston.

We're just throwing guys out there. AJ Brown is a good player. What about that? Aguar. AJ Brown was a great hero.

We're going to hold the metal lance. Doesn't your horn toss it on the team is your turn. John Thompson is a great player. Yeah. Really good player.

So the punch off Jeffrey. Patriots really good. Patriots got a very good player. Eagles got a good return. Jeremy Mclin.

It is what it is. How he has. How he has. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like what you said about the Rams Brent. It's good for all parties.

I think somebody won this trade. Who? I hate to say that. I got to go with Hank. I think the Patriots won this trade.

To not even have to give up a first round pick next year.

It's crazy. I mean, they start to go. We'll still be playing football in 2020. I hope so. You know, but I can hope in one hand and shit in the other.

We'll see which one fills up. You sound like you have any bias towards that. Yeah. Hank, would you would anybody accuse me of being pro patriots? The football of the Patriots being good is not affect the theme that you root for the Eagles being good does affect the team that you root for. I think I think I think Super Bowl max

“I don't think about like oh the division, but yeah, yeah, yeah, I think Super Bowl this guy and who is it?”

Super Bowl or who is it for this Washington commander? Who is it Super Bowl last year max? The Patriots? Right? So therefore the Patriots might be more of a threat for me winning Super Bowl True, so I hate to admit it, but I think that the rich get richer. I guess the question I would have for you max in determining who won this trade in a perfect world would you rather have AJ Brown on your team? Happy to be on your team no drama or this that is a lot of hypothetical. I understand, but I'm just asking because that is like

That's not AJ Brown. Okay, but I'm just not AJ Brown and We're not even talking about how the Rams were in on him saw his medicals went then went out. Oh You weren't talking about that until now. Let's speak on it. Yeah, I mean that's it the rant his Met it was it was it was a two team a two team race for AJ Brown Wow leading up to the draft the Rams were in on him saw his medicals. What did the medical say?

Hippa just knee knee. It said knee. He's got me got one of over two. Maybe even two That's I I'm I still think that like AJ Brown will be good. He's going to be super motivated Put Maddock AJ Brown at least for the start of for the start of his 10 year in New England will be a very good receiver I'm going to be very good for for Drake may please be very good for the next two years Correct, yeah right and then then the Eagles get the pick well. No two years would be

Part of the pick yeah the second year yeah the second year would be the two years Would be that you would get a bad year off you would get a bad first round. No. He'll still be good when you get

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's amazing. But then we get the we get the we get the pick right as he's declining

No, no, you get the You get a 30 second play. But you don't get the pick when you get a second round How should I go in the second round? Yeah, how should I go in the 29 pick? Yeah if we're honestly if we're if we're nitpicking Yep, that's really what how he messed up This is a fact actually a bad deal

Hank, what do you think about getting damage goods though? Yeah, you're about the medicals in the ramps The knee yeah, not worried about the knee. Okay. AJ Brown said he is not worried about the knee. He's already at OTSA He's catching one end of passes. It's just beautiful. Oh, he's already? Okay, motivated. He might have been there before he saw It does feel like he's I mean Who is he gonna compete with catches like I who's the number two

Pretty mac on What about booty booty Romeo, it's Romeo Dobbs. Yeah

“Romeo Dobbs. You will see. I mean that's what they're doing OTS for it's you see”

Romeo Dobbs go over it once in the in the softball game that Dave played oh, yeah He just went like full on over the fence like dude you you have like 7,000 concussions. What are you doing in the softball game? I saw somebody also try to take out reminder of Steven. That was cool. Oh Man, yeah Matt right Matt right try to take a map. Oh, what did some crowdwork on him? Oh, man Okay, that's that's it's good to talk NFL we've we've we've got some NFL news. I did miss the I miss talking football with you guys

I know it's just it gets you when the miles Gary trade broke. I just said football in the chat I know that football so that was all right So a fish should have been football is back to start to start to show. Yeah A official word. I think I'm gonna give Hank Hank won the Patriots won this trade the other one no bias the other one's toss-up I think it was win win. Yep. Is that the official PMT grade win win and you're just if this is your grade

You're you just started speaking and said this is the question max But you didn't ask anyone else you just said here's my grade is this the official picker last

“Hold on hold on hold on. Yeah, I think the official grade is browns”

Rams is a win win Patriots eagles is no no it's a Patriots win and then an asterisk if how he had gotten the

2029 first round pick it would have been a win for the Eagles. I'm talking myself in a loose loose

That was how he's mistake. Yeah, should have timed it. She browns to climb better. It actually It makes sense when you think about yeah, it does I think he's gonna be really he's gonna

Absolutely not and then and then yeah, I mean he's gonna be on the wrong side of 30 next year and then

“He's gonna be good. He's a very good receiver”

So he's gonna be good for a couple more years and then we'll see how he ages because of everything It's also gone on, but if you're the Patriots, you're probably saying hey he had no problems in Tennessee with my career was a coach that's true so Okay, any other Any other news before we talk. Let's let's do a pick on the NBA finals for the people and then we'll we'll give our official predictions for the NBA finals

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I didn't mean to do that don't do that. I did not in fact I don't think that we should say that number we should retire that number Can't talk about stranger things. Nope don't do that. C. A. J. Brown changes number Give me three to what you went from 11 to one So like you could I've medically changed your number. Yes, that's kind of awesome that he went to number one

Yeah, I love that give me Luke Cornette three plus rebounds Okay, that's sexy you could take Victor women y'all my verse Jalen brown points had the head actually I don't know if you can see the brown or I'll take I'll take when but Jalen Browns. All right, so Luke Cornette put it in Luke Cornette three rebounds. What are you taking PFT I'm trying to look at the

“Trying to look at three years. Okay, we're gonna do we want to make a juicy. Do you guys want to make a juicy or no?”

Would you like to make a juicy? I want I Want Josh Hart three plus three pointers. Oh, I was gonna take him 15 points. So there we go. Uh, okay? There goes my pick, fuck fuck I don't know what I wish I could bet on Steph Castle Fowls he's gonna he's gonna he's gonna be a dog in a series. He's gonna be absolute dog. Okay

You know what let's go with Tell me if I you like this memes or Zach Let's go with Mcleo bridges 15 points. I like it memes love love should we go 18 points? 20. Let's do go 18 points 18 and we'll put that in the drafting sports book go bet it with us Boys NBA finals. We want to make our predictions. We talk a little bit with Kirk Gold's very, but

Should we make let me start with this Zach and memes. Are you guys a little bit nervous you have now two things going against you one. Did you see the random fan who has picked?

“Exact every single series correctly and he has spurs over nicks. Did you see it that one worries me?”

He tweeted it before this the the playoff star he said I know ball and It's literally every single round he's gotten right that worries you. What about the corgi? No, because Max said the corgi picked this exercise. I could have been wrong on that. Okay You gotta find out We are superstitious. This is a breakdown that we're doing. We're gonna have an actual talk with Kirk Gold's very

But this is a part of my take breakdown when What a corgi does with an inflatable basketball is the way more important than Advanced analytics and shot charts and Wemby and Jalen Bronson. It's the corgi So yeah, Oklahoma City fans were tweeting at me that you better hope that corgi fucking picks you

The corgi's been real hot. Okay. He picked a nicks. Oh, he's definitely picked the the

Sixers because visibility says what a good boy So that's best Okay, so I was right I just didn't want to be wrong and then meet it. We're good. Wow Okay, the dog has been wrong dog has been wrong About the nicks

Was the dog right about the the calves next it's important This is highly important. What is what's your official pick hank spurs in six in six and Any reasoning behind it I don't want the nicks to win. Okay

“That's some that's some reasoning that is that qualifies the reasoning. I think the spurs”

Have to win the first two games though. I think if they have to go up to nothing and then they can get it done

I think if they have to come back again in another series It's going to be maybe too much of an uphill battle. So game one and game two very important And yeah, then it's just a race. You know next year. It'll be Celtics spurs thunder or race to see who the best Best team in the league is. Okay, it seems I I agreed with everything you say until the what do you said last but if the nicks flipped the home court of anage

They're when they're when in the finals and I think they're in a one and six. Okay. I have nicks in six as well PFT of nicks in seven. Oh, I think I think we're gonna get a game seven I think that Adam Silver is entering his David Sternera We're he's making sure that these things happen. See that's I'm making the same Thought process, but he's gonna make sure the next wind at home

Okay, so that's kind of like the same Theory as the frozen envelope just like doing doing doing a big market of solid like yeah

“The crowd and everything will be it'll be the highest watch NBA game in a long time. Yeah, I think I got nicks in seven”

I think it's going to be a great series and I think they figure out ways to get wind being fall trouble That's what I think happens Max Next five wow Zach I think we nicks in six. Okay. Okay, so Zach and memes you guys are great That's adorable. Yeah, that's nice. Can you look at each other when you agree? No, you won't even look at them

No, okay Oh, we forgot to say that Oh, no back-up is back on the giant the giants they got like three. Yeah, too Seriously, they got to you and then Braxton burials. Oh as well, so the giants are loading up Good for the giants and then can you explain to me where we're at with the bear's stadium thing is it?

Are they officially going? No, it's sick just dominating the transport portal so much that he's taking stadium Illinois guys are going to Indiana. It is so frustrating and so stupid There is blame to go around to every single piece of this entire debacle Um, I guess I would say I Think if I went blame like power raking the blame. I'd say Kevin Warren won just because

Before Kevin Warren was hired the bears had purchase are linked in heights They were ready to build and are linked. That's we heard that shovels were in the ground are gonna be in the ground like three years ago It has gone sideways since then Illinois politicians because there's I listen I'm not gonna get into the politics of it, but it does seem like there's weird stuff like they want them to pay more taxes

I don't really understand that part Democascis is a as a as a family running the bears because they are incompetent to do it themselves so they hire someone like Kevin Warren Indiana for offering like a ton of free stuff. I don't blame Indiana

No, I don't either, but I'm just throwing I'm just I'm just going down the chart anger See Chicago for Like not just giving them the soldier field, but then I and then the NFL the NFL is also to blame because the NFL is the one who probably is put a lot of pressure on the McCaskies to get a new stadium so that everyone's franchise Yeah, prices go up

It's essentially to boil it down the the biggest losers in all of this as always when it comes to stadiums is the fans

That's really what it comes out. Yeah, it's kind of so I do think that there's a chance There's this like special commission. The hardest part to figure out is whether the Indiana is like a bluff Indiana is either a bluff or it's a bluff that's gone too far now. It's real and it's which would actually be the best bluff

“Post correct, which is that's what happened with the caps is like they had they had a groundbreaking ceremony”

You had politicians like the governor of Virginia wearing a hard hat like cutting ribbons

Like this could be actually the best bluff possible if you do the groundbreaking ceremony and then Chicago is like come on back

“We'll give you you know, we'll give you everything you asked for an Arnold nights and more”

PFT the bears purchase are linked in heights for like $200 million in

2023 three years ago, and there's no the deal. Oh, they've owned this property and it's just It's crazy the deal is I guess Kevin Warren was hired somewhere around there So maybe it's the whatever either way They were ready to buy or linked in heights for a couple years before Kevin Warren show and if you move the bears there the deal is They don't have to pay property tax. I don't know something like that. It's all

Fans shouldn't have to worry about this shit. It's so stupid and it's like it's so frustrating In competence on every level everyone deserves blame and I do think Kevin Warren is somehow bungled this whole thing Because he's the one who's who's supposed to be He was one who's hired to seamlessly get this done and nothing has gone seamless So how could you ever come to the conclusion? I know that people want to blame the politicians

“I do too, but how could you ever point your finger at anyone other than Kevin Warren first?”

Because it was literally his job to do this and it's become such a disaster. Yeah, so I hope they end up staying in Illinois Even though that like to drive from Chicago to get to Indiana Depending on traffic that might even be closer right then driving to Arlington Heights. Yeah The bear should just play in Illinois. They should not play in Indiana. That makes it to play in Chicago Stadium should be in the cities like it would be you know But it's so stupid. I saw like and then there's all these theories and deep theories that like

Ham and is actually what the politicians in Chicago want because more people will stay in hotels downtown than if it was Arlington Heights and like it's just

The whole thing is just really really fucking stupid and I wish it wasn't it's it's very funny that the bear is finally figured out the football side by hiring Ben Johnson and

And the the business side continues to be a complete joke. I do think that there's something Maybe a small thing to do with like the location of the stadium for free agents Because a lot of guys if they play at a stadium that's out in the middle of nowhere on game day Then it can take them like after the game's over another two hours. I don't have to get home. Listen and they're that that just like kind of sucks That's where you go to work. I don't know what they do with how it's all they just made a renovation on how it's all

How it's all to to ham it is not close. No, everyone's talking about Chicago to him Which is close? It's 25 30 minutes, but yeah, if you're most bears players are almost all bears players live up by how it's all which is the north suburb So it's a it's a shit show. I still think if I had to go gun to my head I still think there's a special meeting or whatever happens in the middle of the summer and they're like all right enough of this shit I'm going tonight. And I also think there's a chance that maybe they just fire Kevin more and then

Macasky's like hey, we're not leaving Illinois. Let's figure this out and it gets figured out Hmm, which would be nice. Okay. Should we do hotseed cool throne? Let's do hotseed cool throne And then we got two great interviews. Hank. Hotseed cool throne. My hotseed is You guys don't know. Oh, geez Why

Fox Sports. Oh, no Our colleagues I guess official legit news outlet our partners Did an Instagram real talking about Gillette as a host city for the world cup and what the town and stadium has to offer Mm-hmm and they said that it has the jail world's largest lighthouse. Oh That's bullshit. That's interesting. Take news

Interesting, you're calling Fox News fake news. I would never say that. Oh, you just you literally

I would never say that you just I would just this sounds like an example of fake news from Fox Sports, which is different company Fox Listen, this is a big box Fox sports. I'm on the right. Yeah, I don't know them. I I go by the standards of the US Coast Guard when it comes to lighthouses And now you might hate the troops. I don't I respect the troops and I respect everything that they put in terms

Of qualifications for a lighthouse What counts what doesn't count and to them this lighthouse is not a lighthouse So if you well, they're letting don't respect people are coming from all over the world to Gillette for the world cup and they are actually No, they're not Hank that's that's also false because they're not going to Gillette because the stadiums won't have their sponsor names for the world cup They're going to Foxborough stadium

“They're going to get basically with the the place for the largest lighthouse in the continental. I think what do you think is going to happen when”

Man's from Brazil Brazil is a country with the second most lighthouses in the world. They come to Foxborough And they see that lighthouse and they're like this is it. Where's the where's the ocean? If they get on top, they can see it. Where can't yeah, they can know they can see the library the river here Yeah, we would be puts a call again. I forget Yeah, because you didn't do the presentation. I did do the presentation. You had someone do a fool. Oh, I fucking did that presentation

And it was a federally recognized body of water, which it was no it didn't know it wasn't and no you can't see it

“Okay, so we're on the hotseafers are our world cup tickets taking I saw something about that also the schedule some of them is”

Psychotic it's crazy. Yeah, some of them are tanking a little bit Some of them are on the hotseafer being bitches. Yeah. Your penis don't want to come over and pay they're so they're mad about the times You're mad about the times. Oh, I don't got fucker about that. I know I know I know every other world cup It's it's on your watch not one's on ours. Yeah. Hey Europeans once you shut the fuck up We got to watch Jaguar's Panthers at 830 in the morning. Yeah, that's nice though. It's not nice. I'll take your dolphins giants and be happy with it

But the schedule is psychotic is it not like I saw some of it and it's it look like there's days Like to start the tournament. There's a game at three o'clock. Then there's a game at 10 o'clock all Eastern's on then three and nine Why? Because it's in all the different time zones. Oh Across the United States got it. Yeah, but then there's a bunch of days where the games are all day. Yeah Because those first days are or not. It's just gonna be a shitload of soccer and I've so here's here's the plan that I'm gonna do

For all the opening round games and you guys are welcome to join me on my betting journey I'm gonna bet a draw for every single game

And you can usually get decent odds and there's always crazy draws in the opening groups where you have like really good teams

That have just like a brain for our let down spot against a team that has no business even scoring a goal against them

“I'm gonna bet a draw every game in group stage. I'm in for a round robin. Okay. Yeah. We'll round robin. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Can now can we do that?”

Yeah, with a round robin need to be like just one per day. No, you can do it in advance Okay, yeah, we'll have our best guy get on. Yeah, we'll see how many we can do round robin and tie You can only obviously do the first like the first games because the second games won't be listed because you don't know who's gonna be Get like yellow cards to red cards No, just injured. Yeah, yeah, right and they probably might not have lines for yeah the second games right. They might they actually might have them all

How many how many first round games are there? Yeah, we're gonna do it. Well, I'm in. I'm 100%. 48 teams. So whatever that is that's too much back Yeah, also hot seed hot seed. Hot seed me for Thursday morning. We just said on FS1 one of the guests is going to be Greg Berhalter I've said a lot of things about Greg. Just say it's was face. I've said a lot of things about Greg. Say it's was face. Nice guy Say you know, just say hey, I've said a lot of things about you

I'm gonna address one of them. Why do you have three G's? Yeah, I just leave it at that. Mm-hmm. It's good Way to handle it. Okay, you're cool, sir. Oh my cool throw in his Texas tech softball. Yeah, Jay will They advanced last night. They had they needed to beat

Holy fuck Alabama. I was about to say 10c then you were locked in beat. I did watch I watch second game

I didn't what I saw Did you watch it from out on your balcony me or Williams? I did not did your blinds get fixed. I did it nice Yeah, because there was sometimes you like to step out on the balcony It's like no, yeah, no, I said that by the way on the act, but I it It was like three days before I realized that Jason Williams wasn't reading books. He was smoking weed. Yeah

Oh, I'm gonna real fuck. Well, he kind of blew him spot when he said I'm going to the library and it was the most We'd have ever seen in my life reading books He's green books just like when Hank says I got for a walk in my cousins. I feel so dumb. I was like Oh, he's just when he's like, yeah I need a hotel room with a balcony because I like to read moron and and take like every other tweet being like Jay

Wells going to read a book. Yeah, Jay will bought two tickets to to the game on Monday night So that he could leave in between games to read a book Yeah, dumb dumb dumb dumb. Ah, but his daughter dumb. They they were Alabama like they were coming out of the losers Bracket Mia me Williams. They were coming to the losers brackets. They had to beat Alabama twice in a row. Millions hit a walk off home running game one That is when I start watching I watch all of a sudden game

nail biter I was and and they're going to the world series. It's it's a it's a great great sports story and yeah, and college softball is is Correct. Yeah, I was wondering because I I'm sure maybe it's happened before, but there was a chance Like has anyone ever gone back to back home runs themselves

Because Mia Williams hit a walk off home run and then she was the first batter in the second game

She got a single yeah, but like I was I was sitting there being like in my butt. You see history back to back personal home runs That's that would be awesome. It would be so sick. Hey, you've said a lot of things about your own

“Confidence in your own athletic ability. Do you think that you could step in and get a hit off of a women's college softball pitcher?”

No, I mean depends how many at bats, but

I don't think I can after watching them the risers. That's tough. It's they're very very impressive one swing hard Yeah, why

“That's what you're doing softball you just try to make sex with 16 slow pitched you think Mia doing different she swings hard”

Or do you think she just lets it back to the worst person can we then can we not we already have Zach and memes Can we not we with the pugs play in the playoffs tonight? Let's maybe not thanks because thanks getting dental service. Yeah, let's not do it. Oh, be good. Okay We got the playoffs. What's going on? I was trying to get the swing hard I think I just didn't know if Mia when she was swinging if she swung hard to hit home runs

I went to three last game I'm trying to find this it's about me. This is hard I don't think it's ever I mean it would be hard. What are you trying to find? As it has it only could happen if they in a walk we'll know it. It can't have a major league baseball Because you don't play a double header where you saw a moment away. She literally hit a walk off home run by the way

The West which I'm gonna say not no, you don't switch home in a way. They switched home in a way So they say in the same day Yes, in the same max she hit a walk off home run against Alabama in game one. It was double elimination for Alabama. It was single elimination for Texas tech because the tech sector already lost. I get all this. All right, so tech sec me Williams Game one hits a walk off home run. The next game Alabama's now the home team

Mia Williams is the first batter in the second game

She gets up to the plate if she hits a home run. She is just hitting back to back home runs herself You I don't want to say why you couldn't do that and like what if you finish a series against one team and then you play an MLB you if you're if you're playing If you're playing I'm the same day. Yeah, I'm saying could you could you could still do it and I'm I was trying to find that Yeah, if you finish the series moved on to the next round. Yeah, and that yes, it would be positive. Yes, but this was literally like

same day in possible impossible to find that I still think I could I could find the lead I still think I could find this is a very dumb debate, but I actually enjoy it Max. You know the only MLB ball player. It's a hit a grand slam twice in the same inning Bill Miller. No, for Dr. Jackson. No, Tatsungis pretty crazy. Yeah, I must paint I did find that Mike Cameron and Brett Boone hit back to back home runs

twice in the same inning. Those are Two different guys, but that also crazy also could it also. I mean, yeah, we're talking crazy stuff. Yeah, those crazy. That yeah Crazy. That's pretty crazy. All right. Your hot seat PFT. Um my hot seat is lukewarm Because I'm back in the internet and rotational. Yeah, and I'm excited to be there. I've got I've got something that I've got planned I'm going to try to harness science a little bit of brights into shampoo

“I think I've found an edge when it comes to golf”

So more to come on that later, but

Humbled to be invited back for million dollars. It's crazy a crazy amount to golf for especially somebody my

poor playing ability to even be in that conversation But I'm excited about it. I'm excited about I hope I get matched up against lukewarm this time Oh, I hope you get matched up with lukewarm again. Either way where damn shit would be great. We might just become bros if you just slept in I would I would fuck. Well, that's the thing is I would sleep in and then he would just dominate. No, no, that would be the best story It's you sleep in and then you show up late and then you save them or I talk shit to him. Yeah, I make him suck and then I come in

But he's down and then you come up you show up and you save his ass that you hit a hole in one Yeah, either way Excited about the prospect of of getting back at it again, so I've got to I got to get back in the lab We're going to be working and this is going to be a sports science thing. I do think that I found a net And I have to keep it quiet until we really know

We get a little bit closer so that no people can replicate what I'm trying to study

“But once we get there, I think skies limit as listen. I I love wear heads out”

As someone who's think thinks they've found an edge about a trillion times when it comes sports gambling Yeah, you got to follow that lead. Yeah, you got it you got to you got to go to the end of the road

If you think you got an edge you got to fucking find out all the way listen as it never worked out no it doesn't matter

Find that edge because the next edge the next edge is one that you'll find but also with this edge Like engulf if you think that you have a net. Oh, yeah, definitely definitely you definitely have an edge. Okay You're cool. My cool throw is Dylan Brooks. Hmm Dylan Brooks on the cool throw and also you could say maybe LeBron on the hot seat Because Dylan Brooks just posted that he got his pilot's license. Oh, he just graduated from flight school Did not know that he was studying to become a pilot

But I could I could see a world where Dylan Brooks like goes undercover working for private jet company

And then he just foxed with LeBron as his pilot next year

So I had no idea that that Dylan Brooks even was thinking about studying that But if you got onto a plane and Dylan Brooks is your pilot. Are you feeling confident about that plane? Nope I'm probably not feeling super confident about that. No, probably not. Yeah, like you don't want haters should not be pilots. No pilot pilots should be above Being calm biggest hate. They should not hate anybody calm dudes. Yeah, like to a fault. Mm-hmm

Okay, my hot seat is us the viewers because Russell Wilson's gonna be on the CBS desk

Mm-hmm, and I'm just gonna miss him playing football. That's really what I was trying to say. Yeah, and it's it's a better sport when he's out there

“Throwing that moonball. How do you guys think he's gonna do?”

Faith football family How do we think he's gonna do? I think he'll be okay. Corny Corny's okay though. I don't mind a corny guy. Can he make fun of himself? That will be the big question. If he can maybe he'll be okay That's he's got it. He's got to have someone in his ear being like hey dude. Mr. Unlimited like you know

Everything is perfect. The hi ninies. Uh, let's just Cool with some of that and be like make fun of ourselves crack couple jokes laugh at things Then he I mean he's well spoken and like he that could work If he is not able to do that. I don't know how long it lasts. I think I think he'll be okay. He's he's shown an ability to Like study what works and then change things about himself. But that's the whole point is like he's he's like almost robotic in that way

The the the true sense of like breaking being a robot is being able to make fun of yourself. Yeah. I don't know My cool drone is not only college softball but college baseball too. I I don't know if you guys saw the game in West Virginia last night But it was electric the country roads was electric it's been awesome to watch all of it and I've just enjoyed the hell out of it and then while we've had that we had the

College football playoffs schedule get officially announced and it fucking sucks It sucks. I hate that they're doing this You guys want to guess when the national championship game will be played If you haven't seen don't if you've seen it don't answer but I've not seen it. I would guess January 18. Okay February 13. No stop Hank. You've been silly. You've been silly. Yeah, was silly of you. January 24th. That was silly. Max. Almost got it

I was so I was basically the equal distant to PFT. January 25th. Oh

January 25th. Happy birthday. Why are you so bad. No face. You knew it was in February 12 days off But you knew it was in February 15. I didn't know. No. No. You were at your 16. You're 19 days off.

“You knew it wasn't February. I did not. February 13th I think is like it's pretty close to February”

Yeah, but February 13th isn't pretty close to February 1st. It's kind of less than half. Yeah, so the first round. So January 25th is the national championship game. The first round is taking place over a month prior December 18th is the first game. That is so fucking stupid. I hate that they've done this. It is that's bad. It's so bad. I don't know what the fix is to it. I move the schedule up a little bit. But can you even do that? Why not? I don't start an August. Like should do double

elimination games like the softball. Back to backs, double headers. That would be sick. I wonder if anyone has ever scored a back to back touchdown. Can you look that up Max? What if they had just every team? Wait, hold on. Oh, keep going, sorry. What if you got 12 teams just at the same venue and then they just keep you do it like the the Sunbelt basketball style. We have the worst two teams play. Winner stays on. I like that. That would be a cool football tournament.

All right, so Superal is Sunday February 14th this year. So, okay, so we'll be, we'll be after the

“divisional round. I think that was what it was this year as well. There'll be four NFL teams left”

when we do a national championship game. That's really stupid. That's really, really. I don't like that. Zach finishes off. My heart see this week is going to be America. I don't know if you guys have seen but we're creeping up on to U.S. e 250. Yeah. We're doing a fight club at the White House. The renderings and like the buildout looks pretty impressive. But I just put it in the hot seat this week just because we're going to be having a cage fight at the White House. And I think that person

at the White House. You would think if they get it, you get elected on spot. If you, you're exactly

right in the fact that if you had told someone like 10 years ago, like, hey, United States 250, we're going to do a cage fight at the White House at televised to the whole country. Your next thought would be, that's the side in the president. They would then run the country. Right. That's

“just not how they're doing it, though. I would be completely fine with that. Who's who's fighting?”

Yeah, it's a good card. I don't think that it is, right? It's a period and then just engagedy. So that's the main event. Okay. My concern with this, and I've heard, I've heard Dana White talk about this on a couple podcasts, but being from DC, I can tell you that late June, mid to late June. Oh, it's out doors. It doesn't matter if it's at nighttime. It's going to be 90 degrees.

It's going to be 90 percent humidity. And you're going to get nuts buzzing around your head.

You're going to, there's going to be these annoying ass bugs everywhere because you're on a swamp. Guys, we're going to be getting kicked in the head with bugs swarming up their nostrils. It is going to be, I think it's a bad idea. I think Joe Rogan has said, like, this is a bad idea. I'm not looking forward to it. It seems like this fight could have taken place indoors somewhere. Mm-hmm.

Agreed. What are you guys' thoughts on leaving the, uh, the build out up and then future conflicts.

“We settled them in the octagon. You like Netanyahu's coming to visit?”

Yes, step in. Okay. Yeah. I got, I've been in a job right here. He walks out his music

play. It's glass break. I'd be down for that. Yeah. Or you get, you know, actually this would probably

break all celebrity fight numbers. If we had Don Jr. and Hunter Biden, um, cage fighting. Winner becomes next president. That'd be cool. Yeah. That'd be cool. You think that's head gear and no head gear. Uh, no head gear. And also, you could not do drug testing. Mm-hmm. There's a new grab cocks. Everybody's bounced. Yeah. By the way, PFT, uh, happy early birthday on Championship Sunday. Oh, thank you. Mm-hmm. I was looking at the schedule for, for the

Super Junior League. It's Championship Sunday. It would be your birthday. Happy, uh, early birthday to you on Championship Eve. Thank you. Appreciate that. I appreciate that. That's massive. Uh, cool, strong. And my cool throw in this week is going to be the World Cup. Uh, we had another global moment for the World Cup yesterday. I don't know if you guys were able to see it on time. But they drop, they, there's a, there's a song dropped online. Uh, the unity of this, not only for

country here, but really globally. And that's like a big thing for the World Cup. I was having like one anthem. Yeah. Music transcends language. So what is it? I've heard sure we can't play it for copyright reasons, but just play it so they can see it. I used to, uh, I used to absolutely love that the, the waving flag song. Yep. That was a banger. Yep. When I get older. Oh, yeah. That sounds hard for me. And the Shakira ones. They'll call me free. You know, just like a wave in

flag. Oh, really? Yeah. And then you got to really hit that L in flag. Yeah. Yeah, especially this month. I will say the only downside of this song as much of who was a loser that you would think, but we, yeah, we don't do. Was. That's not a world cup. That's South Africa. That's called champion. Oh, you're saying this song, the World Cup song from South Africa. I want to hear, I want you to hear the new song. That was good song. Sure. Play the new land. The new and play it, but cut it.

New song. Okay. Where? You're there. That's a wave in flag. This one speed. Oh, fuck you. It does happen to be by speed, but I fell for that one. I thought this was fake. It's a beautiful thing. A lot of unity going on and going into World Cup showing some of these are big in the sport.

“And so I'm supposed to bring everything together. I feel tricked. But hey, what do you do?”

Just a couple of guys. Means. Means. Means. Means. Get tricked. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I understand everything you've been saying today. Means, you come back. Not sure. Not sure. I'm kidding. Exactly. I was a joke. I love you. All right. You guys, too. All right. We're going to do memes. Did you hear that? He loves all of us. Nice. Okay. We're going to do Kirk Goldsbury. Then we have Luke Lauks, the FSU head coach, and guess what? We're going to do new lottery balls at the end. So you've

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“excited. This feels like the finals that probably has the most juice in a long time. You know what?”

Let's start with Wemby. Your guy Wemby. Can you tell us the stack? Because I've butchered it. And I've said it. I've repeated it to everyone in your shot for the last like three weeks. Can you tell us the Wemby stat that you have about his on-off when it comes to defense and what he does to other teams? Yeah. He essentially turns really good offenses into terrible offenses. And he does it a few different ways. But yeah, like in these playoffs, when he's on the court, the opponents

have an offensive rating of 99.2 for those of you who don't know what that means. It means your team can't score for shit. It would be the worst offense in the NBA. So it's not like he's playing bad teams. He's done this to Minnesota. Okay. See and Portland so far. But when we came into the league big cat, we were like, this guy is going to be the best defender of his generation. And he

“already is. It's incredible. And it's not just the blocks. A lot of people want to put, oh,”

blocks and steals and rebound to know. Like it's a lot invisible stuff that he does. It's just

deter shots. Make guys make passes. They wouldn't normally make and retreat. But ultimately just

means the other team doesn't score very well. Have you been able to track the, I've heard it referred to online as the nope where a guy will drive the lane and then see Wemby and immediately say nope. And just turn around or kick it out and be like, I'm not doing this. I feel like that happens multiple times a game. And that's like a hidden stat that won't show up on the box score. But it's clearly affecting the other team and how they want to run offense. Yeah. Those U turns of

her people call it U turns. It's really fun when you see it in person because these dudes are making business decisions. They go in there and they they veer off course. With SGA, it was really profound though, big cat because like he averaged over nine dunks and lay up attempted her 100 possessions all season long. It's one of the big parts of his game. And the Western finals was like four. So you just see dudes. They don't go to the rim as much. That's the easiest way to see it. And when

this series will Jalen Brunson be able to get to his favorite spots like those old man spots. Those little 12 foot pull ups in the paint that he's so great at. Those are a lot easier to get to when there's not a seven five guy who's 22 years old jumping and stretching out in front of you.

Kurt, first of all, I love the hat. Really good logo. Love the guy that just reps the league. I know.

Along the same lines of these windy stats, has there been a point where you can quantify any of the other stuff that he's doing defensively that might not show up? Like any new, there's the nope, there's the turnaround. But is there like a way that you can quantify the percentage of blocks that he keeps in play as opposed to deflecting out of bounds? And whether or not that's actually like better or worse than league average? Yes, so I talked to the team about that exact thing. PFT and

was they didn't give me specific numbers. They said, hey, just know that we recover a lot of those block shots that are higher rate than a typical block shot. So if you can imagine a block shot, swatting it out of the crowd, swatting it out of bounds, swatting it to an opponent. The spurs are able to control those at a higher rate than you expect. It's a really a student point because some of his blocks turn into fast breaks at a higher rate if that's the case. So yeah, anyway you shake it,

this guy is clearly the biggest sort of rising star and pro basketball and to Big Cat's first point,

Madison Square Garden, Victor Web and Yamma. This is an incredible finals for the NBA. This is

going to be awesome. The city you guys used to record it before you sold out much Chicago. Yeah, they're going crazy. We love moving on to New York Chicago, New York. No, I hear it is. There's so much, so much buzz about this. I'm really excited to see what happens from your perspective like Crunch of the Numbers has there been a style of play or just a strategy overall that's been

“more successful than others at attacking Wimbee. You know, I think the best thing you can do is shoot”

threes. I mean, it's that basic and New York comes into the series. PFT is the best three-point shooting team in the playoffs. They're making almost exactly 40% of their threes all play off song. And that's what I'm really interested in this series is they can punish you with a five-out offense,

a little under there. Towns just made 50% of his threes and the eastern finals. That kind of stretch big. I don't know if you guys know this, Chet Homegren wasn't that good in the previous series. But Carl Anthony Towns is really going to challenge the spurs in a new way because he's going to stretch the defense out. Even Josh Hart, Landry Sham at the role players can all punish the spurs from the arc. So that's really what a lot of people are zeroing in on and saying,

"Yeah, New York's got a chance because they can be really productive on offense without even coming inside the arc." Right. And that's my big, like, I don't know if it's a hot take,

“but take before the series. Because I think the next one is going to win this series. And I'm”

basing it on and it's no shot at the spurs has been incredible what they did. Their game seven

performance teams shouldn't do that when they're that young. But if you look at who they have played in this path, they have played teams that are limited offensively whether it be by injury, with okay see in the Minnesota Timberwolves or the Blazers where it's not five guys that can all score the nicks as they currently are playing. Everyone can score and it then makes it so that when we can't play that free safety role where you don't have a loot door that you can basically

say go ahead and shoot all day. You don't have some guys on the Timberwolves. You're like, are we going to live with those shots? And, you know, Rudy Gobert is not going to threaten us offensively. Those type of things. Is that a crazy take on this on this series coming up?

No, I'll pay a little pick in the next because they are just so just such a deep team and then

diverse. We will see when be guarding Josh Hart a lot, which is, it might sound crazy to some of your listeners, but they did that in the regular season, so that he can do what Zach Low, my colleague at the ring recalls that one man's own, or he can sort of patrol. So they will dare Josh Hart the same way they dared Alex grew. So who made the shots? For okay see, Anne Lou Dord, who didn't make the shots, they will try to put when be on the week of shooter on the

floor. And that's going to be something really interesting to watch. If Josh Hart start making three, that's going to put the spurs in a tough position right away. And to your point, it might make the nicks just unbeatable because the nicks are the hottest offense in the league right now. Yeah, when happened in the last game one where they came out flat against the Cavaliers, it's like, I know we all watched it and we said, you just look like they don't have the energy,

like they work out, still sleepwalking a little bit. But is there something that happened in

“that game one that you think that smart team like the spurs might try to balance on this game one?”

Well, they ran into game one, James Harden, who's just a legendary playoff figure. Yes, everybody talks about games six, a game don't forget about game one. This guy comes out,

especially in the first three quarters of a game one with guns blaze. And so in all seriousness,

the Cavs are a good team. The Cavs have Donovan Mitchell. They have Jared Allen, Evan Mobley. They could score it. And I think the nicks were a little rusty. Again, I think they had swept the sixers and that's another thing to watch PFT. So they did start that series, a little rusty and a little slow and they had to have that epic comeback to win game one, right? Yeah, our entire podcast bet on the nicks in the first half. That was the only half that we had

a group bet on for the entire show. That sucks. That was tough. Sorry for your loss. It's okay. Yeah, we got over it. But I think that's in all seriousness, I think there is that that could happen again, because they've been off for what since May 25th, it's June 2nd. The series starts June 3rd. So they're going to have over a week of rust on there again. And again, the spurs are young dudes. This is one of the youngest cores. I think Big Cat alluded to it earlier. They shouldn't be here,

according to some experts. Yeah, but they are fresh. They're ready to go. They are very confident and they're not rusty. So it would be interesting to see if they have a similar sort of short coming against the spurs and game one as they did with Cleveland. Yeah, it's not even according to expert dispersion beer. Just according to the history of the NBA that you have to lose before you win.

“And I think that's what everyone expected for game seven in OKC and they're just so unafraid and”

hits so many big shots. So we talked about Wemby. Jalen Brunson has been phenomenal. I also feel like Jalen Brunson has reached a different level too, where the ball isn't stopping as much and he's he's finding other guys. And it's they've unlocked Cat, like you said. Who, what do you think the spurs are going to do to try to stop Jalen Brunson? Or is it maybe let Jalen Brunson score 35? And make sure that no one else beats us? No, I think they're going to, I think he's going to be the top

line on the whiteboard for Mitch Johnson. You know, what's in front of Mitch Johnson is the whiteboard. Sometimes we'll let behind Mitch Johnson. I heard he's talking to Mike Brain. You got to prepare for that. But in terms of Jalen Brunson, no, that's the head of the snake. They're going after it. And they're going to do exactly what they did to SGAB Cat, which is start with the fond castle.

is an incredible perimeter defender. He's a strong guard. He loves to stop defenders.

He's a pain in the ass by himself. And then you remember the league's ultimate lurker, like PFT lurking on sort of a forechhand message board. Yeah, you have Victor Wemmon, a lurking in the background

“all the time. So that's what they call Area 51 and saying, Tonya, generally that was about the”

lobs, you know the alley-oops. But really Area 51 with the two jersey numbers five and one is about this defensive thing that Brunson's going to have to deal with. Not only do you have to get past the fond castle at the point of attack, you have this monster behind you who is the best shot block or a room protector in the world. Yeah, and much like we, you know, we talk about some of the emerging superstars. And we love them while they're still coming up. And then eventually,

we have to find something to nitpick about them. Yeah. Like I remember when Steph Curry was

breaking the sport of basketball until the nitpick about Steph Curry just became, you ruined the game because you're so good at shooting. Is there one thing that we can do to nitpick Wimbie's game? What is the one, what's the weakness that he has besides being stretched? I got one. Yeah, go ahead. Well, I say, I'd like to see him in the post more. I don't know if he's, I think that's going to come, you know, but it's also, it's what interesting watching him play because his, he's seven, five,

but his center of gravity isn't like as low as, you know, I mean, like it's, it's high up there. So he can't, he, heart and sign was able to push him around a little bit. And this is obviously nitpicking.

“The Germans do that to the French. Yeah. But I, I think that's something that he will get a lot”

better at, but there are times when you could see him floating away from the basket on offense, and maybe not being as engaged and being able to, to dictate it for the spurs offense. Yeah, two things. I think that's very stupid point because I watched games seven with Chris Bosch, and he, he was like, this guy needs moves. He needs moves. And I think it's fair to say, 22, he'll get there, like you're pointing out, but if we're nitpicking, that's it. Like,

he comes, he does not have a signature move yet. I don't know what it will be, but you would like to think a man with those physical gifts could get to the rim and punish people with a signature move, some drop steps, some half hook that that he just develops over time. And to big catch point, he does get pushed around a little bit because he is so thin and has center of gravity so high. That said, on Saturday night, I was talking to a bunch of spurs fans

down here in Austin. I was like, guys, this is the nicest anybody's ever going to be to the spurs. Like, this is, this is the pushback will come. If the spurs start winning over and over and over,

and this is, we just vanquished these guys, the spurs were never cooled during the last run.

These guys are cool. You just did the league of favor, but to your point PFT, it feels like, yeah, this, the pushback will come soon because people will get bored with Wemby or be annoyed

“by him for one reason or another. That's why I almost wanted to thunder to win the last series,”

even though I don't like watching them play. Why did you say that? That was actually a good point. You wanted another year off. Extended. Yeah, extend our love for Wemby because I do love watching and play. I'm excited just like, I could, I could talk myself into rooting for either of these two teams. I know that's like a fence-sitting position, but there's legitimately something fun to root for for the next time for the spurs. And I think, you know what, I'm just going to be like,

you wear that hat right now. I'm a fan of the, I'm a fan of the NBA for the fun. So I want seven. I think that's such a great point. I'm a spurs guy. Everybody knows that, but it is really just traumatic to root against this Nick's phenomenon, this Nick's team, this Nick's fan base. I want that fan base to have a title so bad. I think everybody, they have a pretty high approval rating, barring teams like Philadelphia and Boston, of course, that, that will hate them forever.

But these are really two special teams. And I think the NBA has hit the jackpot with this finals. And again, you can tell it in the ticket prices, you're going to see it in the TV ratings, you're going to see it in sort of the international coverage of these finals. This is not okay, TV versus Indiana. I'll do respect. That was an awesome finals, too. But this is primetime. With the spurs guard rotation, I made a point, I think going into the last series, I think that Dylan

Harper is maybe not the best, but he should be starting. But now after watching more, I think that they've just got three starting caliber guards. And the fact that they can move him in and out to do different things is such a huge asset that they have. So, from your perspective, like what does each one do better than the other two? So, Darren Fox is the vet. He was hurt to open the series. And we really saw what he does so well in his absence. He controls the offense. He's not stupid.

PFT, he had 11 turnovers in the nine turnovers. And a lot of that was the absence of Darren Fox. As soon as Fox came back in after his ankle recovery, suddenly those turnovers went down.

“And the spurs started taking care of the basketball a lot better. That's what he started the”

grown-up in the room, right? With these two other young bucks. He's an all-star player. And then the other two guys, what they have in common is they are both two of the most ferocious attack guards already in the NBA. One of the reasons people loves to find castle and Dillon Harper is they say it to your face. They're not doing step-back threes and stay in a way. Stefan Castle in particular will bully a guy, two feet in the paint, drop a shoulder, push him and then

make a shot in his face. Dillon Harper is a little more crafty. Again, one of the more advanced finishing packages we've ever seen from a guard this age. His footwork is immaculate. His use of the

basketball is incredible. And when he elevates and starts going to the rim, he can yam it on your head.

But he also has just an array of finishes with both hands at the rim and he's left handed too. So it evokes monogynobly for spurs fans. It's lefty coming off the bench and slashing through. It's an embarrassment of riches. Like you said, almost every team would start two of these guys and they have three of them. Yeah. And it's really the reason they're here aside from Wendy and his under undertops about, but Dillon Harper is my favorite football. He's just so awesome to

watch. Yeah. All right. So we talked about Wendy. We talked about Jill and Bronson. If you had to pick a guy from each team where I told you they had the series of their life and then they end up winning, like the the X factor guy. Who would that be? Let's start with Kat. Kat, like he plays basketball like me sometimes. I just foul people and I'm like, "Oh, why'd I do that?" I'm like Chris Farley smashed my head with my hand. He's very frustrating to watch sometimes for next fans because he

just makes mental mistakes, particularly with fouls. And here's a stat for you. The first

enter these finals with two of the three biggest foul draws in the playoffs. Victor Wemmanyama and Stefan Castle are two of the top three. They've both drawn over a hundred fouls. And Kat comes in as the third most fouling player. So you have two of these dudes who are just getting whistles all the time. And then you have Kat who is is uncontrollable with these. So he's got a if he can not get in foul trouble. And if he can stretch out the defense and make like five

threes and game one and they steal it and he's getting rebounds and he's threatening, the next are going to win this series. If Kat has the series of his life and is not getting

“in foul trouble, that's going to be really, really important. And so I think he would be my answer”

on the next. Yeah. And in San Antonio, one piece of the obvious choice, Deer and Fox is getting better and stronger coming off of this injury. We was ankle. He looked really good in game seven.

He had a three in the fourth chord chord. He just was really bouncy for the first time all series

and it was a huge shot. And if he's able to bring that kind of transition competence and energy and again, those point guard skills and scoring 20 points, 19 points, having seven assists, if he has the series of his life, then I think the spurs are even better than they were against okay see, because he was not that guy because that injury for that series. Yeah. Yeah, what about Mitchell Robinson and some of the gamesmanship that goes into his play where, you know,

like you see him in the game instant foul. That sort of thing. If you, with the guy like that,

“do you have to start making your free throw as early to have a decent night at the line?”

Or if you have a bad free throw shooter, is it a common thing to like just start off really ice-cold and then eventually if you stay in there long enough, get enough reps, you start to bump that percentage up. Yeah, he is one of the worst free throw shooters in the league, but I want to give him some flowers because back in Vegas, I went to the NBA Cup final in December and Mitch Robinson really won that game to beat the spurs in December and Vegas. How do you do it? He is the best

offensive rebounder in the game when he gets going. He had 10 offensive rebounds in 18 minutes of play and the spurs had no answer for a PFT. I would say if he's able to just be a menace and just like one of those high energy rebounding guys off the bench, the nicks again have a great chance to win this series. If he has to play too much because cats and foul trouble or if they rely on him for offense of production they're going to be in trouble. He's perfect in that role as an offensive

rebounder and if he's there late in quarters to your point, the spurs are going to send her the free throw line where he makes 40% or less of his free throws and the math says that's the right thing to do. So you don't want to see him on the free throw line and now the other big thing with

us are going to go to game one tomorrow and be like all right, all lies on Mitch is he able to grab

the basketball with that hand where he had surgery. I mean, the pinky is the smallest digit, but probably important to grabbing a lot of rebounds. Yeah, but also maybe he'll be a better shooter with a broken pink. You know, this is big cat taught me this stat. Do you remember what I'm, do you know what I'm about to say about cutting off your pinky? I do that. Thank you,

“bet. Always the highlight of the past for me. Wait, okay, I'll come back to that. Yeah, I think”

he has surgery. I don't, oh, Josh Hart has wrist and then became a better three point shooter. Yeah, he talked about that. Yeah, last year or two years ago on the show, but I hadn't been aware of that, but yeah, you brought that too. Yeah, who's your pinky team in the NFL this year, the Rams? We got to wait. We had to win absolutely not the Rams. We had to wait until a team goes on to, yeah, we got it on to the Rams. We got a man up. No, hell, no. We're going to, I mean,

listen, if they start on to, I'll have to think about it and then Aaron Donald will somehow come back and I'll just be fucking screwed. Um, what is OG going to guard Wemby, would you expect primarily? Yeah, so OG has had great success on Victor Wemmiam. I would see, we're going to see three primary defenders on Wemby. He's one of them. I think towns is the more conventional way to start and then obviously Mitt Robinson when he's in the game. But OG and Enobi has a great combination

of that sort of strength that can push him around. He's a smarter defender than Cat. He won't commit those kind of stupid fouls. So just by putting him on Wemby, that's less of a chance that Cat will be in foul trouble. And the numbers out of the 20 or 25 guys that defended Wemmi the most in the last three years, none according to the player tracking system have been as effective as OG and Enobi at holding him down. Now, a lot of that's his year one or year two big Cat, but we're

definitely going to see OG and Enobi is one of the best defenders in this league defending the best player on the other team. Yeah. Do you have any insight as to what what information or strategy pop is providing the team? Because we heard the reports that they talked to Wemby after a couple of the games in the last series. Is he still very much in the mix? Or is he just show up like when Gotham needs him? He'll show up and give that little extra boost. You know, that was pretty

“specially came in after one of the losses. And I think it was really impactful for the guys and”

for the coaching staff. And it is what a resource to have. Sort of this tenured professor. This retired professor come in and tell you how to win a conference finals or finals game. I don't know exactly what he's going to say, but it's just a great trump card they have to play with one of the most successful coaches this league's ever seen sort of consulting in the background when they need it. Coach Emeritus or whatever that word is coach Emeritus. That's the word I was looking

for. We've got two big nicks fans on this pod. We got Zach and memes. Do you guys have any questions for Kirk? Zach and memes. You guys got so locked in on ball right now. Zach, memes. It's going on Kirk how we doing today, man. I'm doing well. How are you? I'm doing well. I'm doing good. I was curious. You know, if this next team is here, is it going to get it done and beat the spurs? And by the way, I will say I do think they will. Where does this put Gillen Brothers as far as legacy? Like,

well, we see them hoist at number 11 jersey in the rafters when it's all set and done. Like, where do you think this is? Is this a starting point? Or is it more of like this cement same next

“all time? I think he's already a great nick all time for what he's done here, getting them into the”

finals. I mean, we see how they treat the star ox and spree well and then and you and those guys

never got over the top. But yeah, he would be the best nick since obviously the 70s, which is

most of our lifetime. All of you guys lifetime. So this would, I don't even think he's prepared for how big of a celebrity in New York. He would become if they win this. This is like, Geter. He would be elevated to folklore status immediately. Because this would be the most important championship in New York in a very, very long time for a fan base that's been stormed. It's an excellent fan base. And since they got Bronson in that incredible transaction, he has transformed

the vibes there, getting those Nova guys there. And just, you know, he's given this fan base something to be very excited about it. Now if they win it dude, yeah, that Geter category. Yeah, that number 11 retired forever. Yeah, forever. Addable statues. Yeah, yeah, give baskets. I don't have any questions. I like your hat. Would you get it?

PFT sounded to me in the mail with some rollback. They always send me a rollback when I come on the show.

I'm always appreciative, but this one came with the NBA hat. Max any questions? No, Sarah. I'm looking forward to a good NBA finals. I went with this act. No, Sarah there.

It means you've been talking about the next non-stop. What's the one thing in your head that you're

“like, I'm worried about this? Honestly, nothing. Okay. Nothing at all. Wait, can I ask a question?”

Yeah, how do you expect the next to contain Victor Webminyama on offense and on defense? That's a good question. Good question. I hadn't thought about that because I'd run through every possible situation in the finals, but had not thought about winning. Yeah, it's a deep cut. It's essentially Josh Hart just has the make his three. Yeah, it's like the Alix Crusher roll you mentioned, Kirk. Like there's going to be a guy open and he's got to hit him. And that was the Crusher when

Crusher was making those threes. They were winning those games. Yeah, and they stopped falling. It started to change real fast. I think that's fair. Dude, Josh Hart makes his threes. Dude, that that's a very impossible team to guard at that point. Yeah. All right. I got one last question for you. Kirk, rowback question, RHOBECK.com, promo code take 20% off your first purchase Qsips, Polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com, promo code take. So Father's Day is coming up.

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You don't have to get your dad a tie or a gift card or something. Get him something cool about sports. What do you have right now? I'm so excited. Thank you for studying this up, Big Gat. I have the best posters. I've made championship shooting charts for every championship team going back to the 90s, including the last dance bowls. So it is a beautiful poster with these 3D shot charts showing the shooting terrain of everybody on those championship teams, whether you're

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They do look awesome. You are the king of Father's Day presents from the maps to all this stuff. It's an A+ move to get your dad one of these things. Now I appreciate that PFT and I know that Big Gat's a father of 3 and I hope he has a great father's day coming up too. My kids aren't buying me shit. I know. That these are awesome maps. I'm looking at them right now. Yeah, they're the best. These are so sick. Okay. Thanks. I love it. Well, send you guys some. You send me so much

rollback. I'll send you as many of those as you guys want. You can have them in the studio. So I got the address. PFT sent it to me earlier. Oh, yes. When you're looking at the upcoming

“NBA draft, is it clearly to bands that go in number one? No. No. I think Darren Peterson's better.”

I'm I'm Booser curious at number one, dude. And all the other. All the nerds are. All the nerds are. When you look at the draft models, PFT that all the stats, dudes are building with these NBA teams, Booser comes up number one. Do Kevin love? Yeah. Do Kevin love. Maybe without the chin strap. Maybe a little more in shape than than K-love was at that time in his career. But I love Kevin love is a is a comp. He is sort of a boring double double machine. Right. But that model's really

well. I think rebounds when people are scouting the draft, a lot of casuals underestimate like the less than glamorous art of the board. Hmm. So you would have him like right in the conversation for number one. Then Booser curious. I said what I said. I think Darren Peterson AJ Demons. It's it's fascinating in a way that it hasn't been in a minute. It's a little scary, too. If you're picking it up, it's like you don't want to make like this could be the San Booye.

You almost rather be the bulls. Just be like, I'll take whoever's left. I'd still take it on one thing. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. There is the the bulls are going to get the pick chosen for them.

“Have you guys picked the finals? Yeah. I think the next are going to win”

in six. I've not made I've not disclosed my pick yet. What do you think, Kirk? I might MBA preview run on the ringer dot com today. And I am picking the San Antonio Spursons 7 games. But it was a tough pick. And to your earlier point at the beginning of the show, we had the interview. This is a really, really great series. And I'll be happy for my friends in New York if they win. No, I'm picking the Spursons 7 in a real great classic series. I'm just decided by pick. It's

Nixon 7. I just think Nick's game six in MSG up three two. Oh, that's it right there. You guys got to go back, man. You got to be there. You got to be climbing this. Yeah. I'm okay. I'm okay. I'm okay. Listen out on that one. You know, 10 grand just to go watch a team that you don't root for. Yeah. Why not? Yeah. Just do it. All right. Well, Kirk, you're the best man. We appreciate it. Everyone go check out your it curx NBA finals preview on the ringer and go to the

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you just fox everyone up. Yeah, did I do it right? It was spot on. Okay, I don't even correct people. I get, I get everything and it's like it's an endless Luke Loukes. Luke Loukes. It's like it's loukes. Oh, how you kind of how you pronounce couch like the OU in it. Okay. It's a tough name, man. Yeah,

“it's just what I was born. You should change that. I'm thinking about what about changing it to just”

Luke. So LOU and then last name like C. L. O. You C. K. So it's Luke Cloukes. That sounds more comfortable. Kind of like the same thing. What about what about L. U. L. O. U. So you're Luke. Yeah, that could work. Coach Lulu. Yeah, that's good. So I don't know how I got to older brothers and I went like my childhood. I was, I was little loukes little loukes. But that's even, that's, that's more complicated to pronounce. And I got a small speech impediment to as a child. It was like I had constant peanut butter

in my mouth trying to pronounce my name. Yeah, it was tough. All right. Did everyone ever say F. S. Lou? No. Okay. Maybe we can start that. That's it. Maybe that's a hashtag. Yeah. We can come up something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you're here. Thank you for being here in studio. Yeah. Because when we've talked about on this show, we talked about on the yak Florida State raised the banner after the 2020 season, the COVID season that said a 2020 COVID cancel season COVID and number four ranking. Essentially

being like, hey, we didn't do a tournament. We were the number 14. When the tournament would have happened. And the banner was up, actually up in your arena for a couple of years, then got taken down. I am trying to collect as many weird like off the wall, memorabilia pieces that I can get.

And this was always something I was lusting after. I contacted someone at FSU and credit to you guys.

You were like, yeah, we're never going to put this banner back up. Let's put it somewhere where it's fun. We can have fun with it. We can make fun of ourselves. And now we're going to be unveiling it in the bars to office in the wool. It will hang for as long as I'm here. It will hang. I love what you didn't know that. Make it that long time. Yes. Yeah. And that's where to me. Because there was a little bit of pushback internally. Like, yeah, I love making fun of ourselves. Like everyone who can't

laugh at yourself. But also to celebrate that team. And I know I know Florida State basketball hasn't had a ton of unbelievable teams. We won the ACC championship a couple of times. You know, back in 72, they lost in the championship to UCLA and that run. But there hasn't been a ton of teams that were at that level. So I kind of understand the weird way why they wanted to celebrate that team. That team was rolling is probably a final four team. But you can't hang that band.

Right. Like you don't have a ton of anything. And also we are going to celebrate them. That will

“be the celebration of them. And they are, I really appreciate it because I think that we've been”

doing this show for 10 years now. And I think one of the reasons why we've been successful in doing this show is that sports are supposed to be fun. Sports are supposed to be, you know, there's serious parts of it. You want to win. But at the end of the day, we're trying to entertain people. We're trying to have fun. And so having that ability to laugh at yourself. I appreciate the FSU staff who envision you guys on group week as you're so gracious. Some of the worst shooting

of all time. Yeah. I don't know if you heard about that. I did. We were trying to do the around the world drill where we had hit five from five different locations. None of us made it to the other corner. Yeah. So apologize on that. It's okay. Yeah. We probably couldn't make your team. But yeah. This is going to be fun. And it's going to be fun to be able to have this banner forever.

floor state in this bill. First of all, you guys have an adult playground in here. This building

“is incredible. This is like a child. But a grown man's dream. Everywhere you go is like,”

I'll make sense. Yeah. Like you guys did a phenomenal job. I didn't realize the scope of,

I follow a lot of your stuff in your pocket. You get incredible job. But I didn't realize the scope

of this building. Yeah. This is a sweet spot that giving me ideas for home. Yeah. I was going to hate me. Yeah. Yeah. Did a, did a, did Brooks kept a reach out or did anybody from Brooks's camp reach out after that interview? No. I was, I was, you know, I was talking to the staff. Because I got, I got sent the clip like 250 times as soon as it came out. And before I even went to my administration, which was probably a mistake on my part as like a rookie young coach. I just tweeted back,

I'm like, yeah, let's do this. Yeah. And then, you know, Brooks, me and Brooks were the same class. We had, we had an unbelievable class come through floors. They did a lot of different sports. But none of his people reached out. But through that, you know, we, we caught up on it. And he said, it's pretty, pretty cool that we're doing it. Yeah. Let's, let's talk about that team. Let's, since we're going to be, you know, showing off the banner here. But let's talk about how

good that team was. And the guys on that team that, that should be recognized. So in your opinion, like looking back and what do you remember the most about that team? Yeah. So I was coaching for a goal instead of the time. And I remember falling that team, like, we actually got a chance. And, and I think the year before they went to the lead eights, they already had some momentum. But first and foremost, them themselves was unbelievable. He hit his prime. He was like,

it, an unheriled recruit. He, he, he wasn't ranked super high. He came in his freshman year. And it was pretty good. And then that next year, he took a huge jump. And it'll be in a lottery pick. But that, that team. And then obviously, Pat Williams, you know, you, you, you, like, yeah, Great floor safe plan. Great floor safe plan. Great floor safe plan. Great great floor safe. Great college player. Great defender. But those two kind of, but then

that's an older guy as you know, Trent for his rake one gray. I think they had four draft picks, two, two lottery picks and two second round picks. Balsa, big European.

“They were, they were loaded for a college team. And, and that's why they had a good”

amount of like, to me, the best college team, best basketball teams. You have those like, young guys that are your stars, but then you have old guys around them that support, you know, and that are the glue, the backbone. And, and that team to me had it all. Yeah, they over to one the country. Yeah, they over four. They're hung it. Yeah, 26 and five when COVID happened. 16 and five in the ACC or 64 in the ACC, excuse me, really, really

good team. So we got it. We got to celebrate them. By the way, I didn't tell you and I hope this doesn't bother you, but he was very cool. I didn't tell you that I actually, so when I, when I get obsessed with something like this, it becomes a little unhealthy. And it's like, I just exhaust every resource possible. I was able to actually get your athletic director's phone number and I texted him completely like cold call

texts and being like, Hey, it's big cat from Balsa. I really want this banner. He actually responded. He's like, let me check on where it is and we'll, we'll try to get it to you. So absolutely awesome, dude. I love it. All right, like to have a random text like that.

“You're in the ad. You should have just, you should have just blocked my number and never”

responded to it. No, so my call for thank you for responding. And I will never tell you

how I got your number, but don't worry, your secret safe. I'll never, yeah, that is interesting. I track that down. I mean, I'm a year powerful guy. You can get a phone number, but I'll offer ever be grateful to him. He gave my first job. He took a swing on me. I mean, I'm the youngest head coach in Power 4 basketball right now. And he took a gamble on me. And obviously there's a lot of connections from playing at Flora State, but he's a great dude. And obviously

has this hands full right now. Trying to help us turn, turn, you know, football around turn basketball around, but yeah, he's doing a great job. Let's talk about the, the internship and how you decided to become a head coach. And because you got off, you picked a great place to start and go to the state. Yeah, I'm working on that stuff. It is awesome. So how did you decide? Okay, we're going to maybe cut the playing career a little bit short. It

feels like more of a career to be a coach. Yeah, so I was playing in Europe, played a little bit in the minor leagues with the Celtics and the magic back when it's called the D league. And then playing overseas, playing Germany, Belgium, Cyprus, a lot of you

have been, been a little bit all over the place. But I knew my career was never going to

get to the, the highest level. I was, I was kind of just doing it because I loved hoops, loved competing, and you get paid to travel the world, man. It was, it was awesome. But I knew I want to coach. And so I was working out in Vegas at the same time NBA Summer League was going on, working out for a bunch of European teams and trying to get my next contract. But I kept getting banged up. Like, I had spine surgery. I broke my foot. I got screws

my foot. And, and it was just one of those things like, all right, what are we doing here?

is and still be around the game. So I talked to Coach Hamilton and he's like, well, every team in NBA is out where you're working out right now. Just go start talking to people. And so I would go, I would work out in the morning and I would go from like noon to the last Summer League game. And I would just like find every NBA person that would listen to me and be like, hey, I want to coach someday if you got anything. And through that week, I think

I had six or seven interviews like in the stands at Summer League of like, yeah, all right,

you want to coach, go interview. You basically got to get in through the film room. We got to

start in an internship. And then I had a couple buddies in the NBA that have already done

“this and they were kind of showing me the ropes of like, if you want to do this, you got to”

talk to these people. We got it. So through that week by the end of the week, I think at three or four job offers of like, yeah, if you want to be an intern, you can join us. One of them was Golden State, the owners of Golden State are the Lake of Family, Great Family, Kirk ran the the D league scene when I played in the D league. And at one point, he, he almost tried to trade for me to like come be their backup point guard. And so he remembered me, he's like,

come, come talk hoops, like, let's catch up. I remember when you played. So through that, you know, connected with, you know, some Steve curse staff. And they're like, yeah, we got to spot open one of our interns is leaving. And literally that day Kevin Durant signs with Golden State, I was going to say, yeah, and such a front runner dude, 100% I'm hopping on that

bandwagon. So I call my wife. Your ringchaser chest, 1000 percent. So I call my wife and I'm like,

all right, she kind of knew what I was doing. I'm like, I think this is the sign we're looking for. Like, do we go play again? Do we get in? I was like Kevin Durant just joined the best team on earth. This would be unwise to not go. Yeah. And but what she didn't realize is, and we're we're young, we don't have kids yet, but we're freshly married as I was leaving like six figures on the table to take it in a minimum wage internship in the most expensive city in the

world in San Francisco and Oakland. And so I'm like, hey, babe, you're also going to have to get a job. Yeah. Yeah. Those details came later. Like, we might not have to move every year in the future. So we'll save on the back in, but yeah, you might want to dust off that resume. That's right. So you go to, you go to Golden State. What's your job when you first get there? What are you doing day-to-day? So I was in the film room a little bit of really

whatever they needed, man, because I was fresh off playing. So I would kind of practice with the guys I'd work out with them rebound. But your, your main job is you break down film. So all the, the film, the staff needs your coating it. So it's, it's like learning a new language. I thought I knew basketball. I, I knew nothing about basketball. But it was, it was, it was awesome.

Because there were so many head coaches on that staff. Steve was incredible. But then like,

Mike Brown, Ron Adams at the time was the best assistant in the NBA. Willy Green was on that staff. There was all these head coaches that basically in Mike Brown being the, the most significant that took me under their wing of like Mike started in the film room, too. And he remembered those days of like, you're working 12, 16 hours, you're, you're there early, you're there late. If, if Clay wants to come shoot at 1 a.m., like, you're the guy going to rebound for him. So a little

bit everything. But then through that, you learn about analytics. You learn the terminology. You learn how to coach. And the great thing about Steve is, is he wanted the young guys to really learn not just being the background. So by year two, I went from an intern to a player development coach that was in charge of the two ways to, to a full-time player development coach and just kept rising up. But through that Steve would like give you scouts. And so you'd be in front of the team.

I've only been coaching for two years and you're in front of the team like breaking down the entire scout. And you're in charge of everything. You're in charge of all these defense personnel.

“And it really forced us as young coaches. And that's why so many coaches go on and do great things.”

But it forced you as a young coach to like be on your stuff. Like you got dream on green. I was just saying you're doing it. No, that's wrong. Yeah. You're not only doing it, but you're doing it in front of Kevin Rand. Dream on green stuff. You guys who know basketball better than anyone in the world. And they thought it, being a dream on were the same class. And he would like bring up all the time. That was ranked higher than women. Like shows out how good these rankings are.

But he would grill you in a good way of like if you're going to do this as a coach, you got it. You've got to know your talking. Yeah. Was there a moment that you gave something to dream on or gave somebody to KD where it's like, it almost clicked where they're like, hey, we now trust you. Because I'm sure that is a process. Yeah. Where it's like, they're not going to just take coaching from anyone. You know, but once you get to that point,

I'm sure those guys want to just absorb everything. Yeah. Not really any point,

“but I do think as former players. That's why I've tried to hire a lot of former players on my”

staff too. As former players, there's already somewhat of a built, obviously I didn't play at that level. But there's a built-in respect of like, I'm not in your shoes, but I've sat in your shoes. Like

and then, you know, that year KD got hurt and they kind of stuck me as an intern just to work out

with them as he was coming back from his knee injury and through that that bond. And even step, like, stuff would pull me, you know, aside to do shooting drills and they would be like heavily weighted, right? Like, he's handcuffed in these shooting drills and I'm just trying to make it

“and he would torch me. Right. But like through those workouts and through working out, I think”

just that part built in a little bit of respect. And they knew like, I'm trying to learn how to coach. I don't know. I'm learning more from them and the staff than I'm actually giving.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But if you're a sponge and you just keep your eyes open

in your mouth shut, you can learn pretty quick what's going on. Yeah. All right. What's the the most impressive shooting performance that you saw from either clay, staff, or KD in your time, they're like in practice. Yeah. So they would do this drill and stuff still does this drill, and he's like a maniac. He's like an absolute machine with the way he works. It's unbelievable. KD is the same thing. But he does his drill where you shoot until you miss two in a row. And so

every spot you try to get a certain number, and then you try to get a hundred. Right. So you shouldn't tell you miss two in a row, which for him takes a long time. If he misses one, he just you say this is the fastest drill ever. For us, yeah. You're going to make a total of like five to ten. But he's trying, he's trying to get to a hundred around five spots. Right. So you're

“at, I'm not great at math, but I think that's 20 of spot. Yeah. He ran off 67 straight threes,”

which which I thought was like so impressive. Like my mind was wrong, right? Just so that is just insane. It's insane. And this was actually in Chicago. We're playing the bulls later that year. He runs off, and there's a video of it. He runs off 105 straight corner threes. And I'll be like, what am I looking at? Yeah. There is a few, by the way, this cough, I'm not a big can cough. You got copies of unbelievable shots of your company. Yes. We need to get some of these. Yes. Absolutely.

We got you. But there was moments in that, where as a young coach, like, what am I watching with? - Yeah, a great job coaching. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

“yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,”

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, They're all under my tutelage.

Yeah. All right. So I got a question about I get two questions about Steph. I'm going to play a little game with you. It's called a question. You probably have been asked a million times and question hopefully you've never been asked. Okay. Uh, both about Steph. One is what is what is Steph? Do in terms of his workouts because I think the part of Steph that is underrated. Maybe not acknowledges much is he's just always moving and his stamina is so insane. And that's why he's able to get open in the amount of times he gets

open. It just runs everyone, you know, down essentially. What is he doing in practice and and in the off season to get to that point. But because you kind of answered your own question there. Yeah. You, he works harder on his condition than anyone in basketball I've ever seen. And it's is nonstop. And to me, like at his age, that's that's tough to do man. That those are like long off seasons, especially at the time you're playing, you know, preseason regular season NBA playoffs through the finals. You're playing over 100 games a year. And to take a few weeks off and then get right back into it and to do that for like 20 straight years.

That it's unbelievable. Is he like running? Is he is he. Yes. What is he doing? It's equal parts the intensity. Yeah. Like he, he won't work out for two hours. But it's the intensity that he does his drills at. He tries every single rep. He tries to go game speed. It's tough to do. It's tough to mimic a game in your work. He's probably as close as I've seen of like when I do things. They're going to mimic what I do in the game. And then in between he's doing what will put you through some drills. No, we'll, we'll put you through some stuff.

Yeah, but, but it is a, so for example, when I joined Sacramento Kings, one of my jobs, you know, help run the offense eventually. I became a defensive coordinator. But I trained Darren Fox and one of the first things I did was. Darren, we're going down, it's an hour and a half drive from Sacramento. We're going down to work out with stuff. And in the first workout, not only like his body, he just wasn't and Darren's one of the best athletes in all sports like unbelievable athlete.

His forearms were cramping. I've never seen someone's forearms were cramping just from the level and the intensity of these shooting drills.

And he looks at me after the workout, he's like, all right, I get it now. I get why stuff is where he's at. If this is the way he works out every day. But it was great for Darren to go down and and and stuff does a really good job putting together some of those, you know, younger athletes that he can kind of take over and under his wing. But it was great for Fox to see and then that year Fox became an all star.

I can't promise that. Okay, but you can. I can try. Yeah, I can. Yeah, yeah, I've been asked. If you don't ask, it's always a no right.

“Yeah, that's how I got Mike all for talking about my wife. Yeah, yeah, exactly.”

I got to take a shot and shoot your shot. I think you'd really like it. So I think you'd really enjoy doing this podcast. We go to we go to Tahoe for that tournament that he just dominates. Yeah, so we've, we met him last year. But yeah, he is he is definitely a white whale guest of ours because we're just in the field. Yeah, we're massive fans.

So, but that's awesome. So, so I wanted you were on wake up.

I was going to wake up ourselves with me this morning. You said something very interesting that I wanted to go further in because we ran out of time. The first season coaching Florida state. I thought you guys were like, you guys were coming on at the end of the season. You're playing great. I was saying that well, I watched a ton of college basketball and you were in that that camp of teams that I circle being like, hey, don't sleep on them anymore. They're a hard out. They might be, you know, 15.00 do but like they're going to keep this game close and you guys finished strong.

But you said that going into the season, you coach the guys like you were in the NBA and you had to adjust. What did that look like? What did your mistakes look like to start and then what did the adjustment look like? Because it worked. Yeah, there are a few things. Number one, I want to play a certain style, right? I want to play a pace that analytically supports like the best teams play fast because you attack a set of defense. New York's doing it right now. Yeah, like I want to play like the New York next. Like they play fast. They share the ball. There's constant movement. There's constant cutting.

And then you create high level shots, right? A lot at the rim, but a lot of kick out threes. And then you get out of your way your stars and you let them work, right? You're not going to hand cope. Brunson, you're not going to hand cope cat. But even before play style, I was teaching and coaching these guys like I was used to and I'm used to coaching adults that by the time you get to the NBA, you weed out all the guys that don't know how to play. You weed out all the guys that don't understand the game of basketball.

I shouldn't say all of them, but most of them, you get to that level. You can tell those guys, even role players, you take your guy like trade lives. You tell trade lives one one time and he's like, I already got it. I understand what you're saying. I can go implement that. You get to college and there's no disrespect, it's just where they're at in their development. They're very talented, but they don't they don't understand on like an intellectual level of like what you're saying. So you have to teach, which I love teaching, but I didn't realize like now you got to teach it. If you don't touch on it in two days, they forget it because they just don't know they haven't been through all those reps. They're not they're not grown-ups.

And so we're like, you know, 10 games in the season and I'm like, guy, they're not grasping what we're saying. And one of my, I call them college coaches, they've never coached in the NBA, but he was a head coach in college. He's like, well, some of that is on us. We're not teaching them. You're saying it, but we're not teaching them what you mean, right? And now you have to teach them. You got to teach them every single day and then you play a game and then you got to do it again.

“And so I think that was the first thing we changed our structure of practice of like we need to teach a little bit more, but then our compete level has to go through the roof, right?”

Second thing, we were just launching threes. I mean, we, we, we led the nation in threes for a good portion, but they weren't going in.

That's important. That is, I don't care what anyone tells you. And math would agree if the shots don't go in, you're not going to score a lot of points. Correct. And through that, I'm like, guys, I get, I want to play a certain style, but if it's not working, we got to change. Right. And, and so it's not that I, I, I love the three ball, I love playing fast, but we got to attack the room. We got to free the line a little bit more. And through that, because we did that, our defense got to that better, because now it's not your launching threes, long rebounds.

It's leading to run out. We lost, we lost that home by 44 to NC State. And I felt like it was a layup line for him. Just nonstop layups. Because we were missing all these long shots, and our defense couldn't get set. And I, I think in that moment, that's where it, like, flipped. We, we, we went after that game. We went back to my office. And I don't recommend this. I'm not like a, being the office all night, but I'm like, this is a crisis. Like we, we need to figure this out. Right. And so we stayed in my office almost five a.m. And we, we cracked a couple of beers, watched every clip of NC State game. I'm like, we're not leaving here until we have a plan to fix this season.

“At that point, I think we had lost like eight out of ten, right? And we stayed up all night. And we basically came back of like, all right, we need to focus on, on defense, our compete level. We got it, we got to stop this transition defense.”

But then offensively, like, we have to be in a tack mode of getting to the hoop. And I really don't care if we should zero threes, right?

We're trying to score and now if the help comes, it's a kick out three. It's exactly what the New York next are doing. Like if, if you watch them, if you load up and help, they're going to get a kick out three. And if you don't, you let your stars work. You give them space. It generates one on one and the pain is going to score every time. His good things are going to have even with OG. Yeah, I can kill bridges. Like those guys are attacking and getting to where they need to to score at an efficient rate.

And as soon as you help, there's a kick out going back side. And it's a splash wide open three. Yeah, this is pretty analytical stuff about to ask you, but have you figured out the difference between you wearing like a quarter zip and you get dressed up in the suit, like how the team performs.

Because we like it when the coaches still get dressed up on the sidelines. Yeah.

Since COVID, that's, you know, one of the things in addition to excluding Florida State for potentially winning national championship feels like after COVID, coaches don't wear suits anymore. Yeah. And speaking of suits, NATO's daughter is, is that right?

“That's how she's interning. That's ran into it. That's awesome.”

Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. The best suit game in college basketball. I think outside of probably patino patino's got like four. I guess the one, the like out there. Oh, he's a boss. Yeah. He's the OG. So I will tell you, it was, it was a little bit of, we're going to try some things out this year. I had a pretty good rhythm of at home. I dressed up of like I'm going to, I'm going to put and then on the road, I just, I'm, I'm all about efficiency. I don't like try one with the suit. Yeah. You got to figure out like are you iron and, and, and that would tell a room.

I actually like that. It's like home. This is my home uniform. Show respect to the home crowd. Yeah. Like I'm going to get dressed up for you on the road. I don't give a fuck. We're just going to, the business trip. We're here to win a game. Yeah. But you said, you said no to Eddie asked you off air actually.

“If you would do an homage to your coach Leonard Hamilton and maybe do like the t-shirt or the turtle neck underneath a sport coat, you said no.”

Yeah. So if you're going to, if you're going to dress up to, it's not a bad look. You just, it is a great look. And it's, it's actually more comfortable. I, I may walk that back. Okay. Maybe, maybe, maybe think about it. Yeah. Think about it. Well, we'll, we'll ponder that a little bit. I mean the turtle neck too. Like, I would get some eyes on you. That, that, that would be an aggressive look. Yeah. The turtle neck. You, you've got to have a certain look to pull that off. I'm, maybe it's a confidence issue. Maybe it's a, a, a, a, a self.

You've got to just do what you've got to go with it. You got to go with it. You got to go with it. And you could, you know, ease into it. Like, wait, you know, early in the season again. You know, you're going to win try something bold out. Because you don't want to lose in a crazy suit. And then just kind of see how it goes. And then you find your foot. Good point. Well, you can't game one, I made the entire staff do suits. And they almost rioted. I almost had coach resigned. They were like, we're, yeah, I was, we're not, we'll, all right, hold on. Let me back up. I got them all. You caught them too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yep. And, and I said, now because we did this, because a lot of the younger staff members and Steve did this for us. Steve, like, got it. It's a great pop of it's thing. You like, take care of the younger guys. A lot of younger guys didn't even have dress pants. And I'm like, guys, all right, I'm going to take care of you.

Um, but now you got to wear it. And we wore it the first game and my associate coach got him Jim Maran. And he, he was really worried about me coming on because he knows I shoot from the hip.

And, and he's like, Luke, you got to realize like this is a national audience. You can't totally see it. That was a sports podcast. The number one in the world, you think. I don't know. No, that's a fact. That's a fact. Um, but Jim's like, Luke, I'm going to help you out. I'm a former head coach. I'm older than you. I'm just going to, like, little bro, you're right now. We're not doing the suits anymore.

“If you want to do him, you can do him. We're not doing him. I was itching the whole. I couldn't even concentrate on my offense is doing.”

And so Jim saved the staff. And I don't think that it suits any more after that. He kind of, like, yeah, we're not doing that. Yeah, the good news is done done at FSU by the time you're in your 70s, you're going to look like you're 30 if it's something the water because, like, Coach Hamilton. He didn't age. He looks like he's younger than all of us. Yeah. He looks like he's in his 30s right now. It's, I've now known Coach Hamilton since I was 14 or 15 years old. I think you started recruiting me.

So I don't know. I'm 21 years, 22 years. He is not aged. It's incredible. I don't know what kind of lotion that guy uses.

Wow. Yeah, it's just younger every year. It's incredible. Yeah. What is your pitch to recruit? Whether, let's just say, like, for this case, transfer portal. If you hit the portal, what's your message for, for why they should come to FSU? Yeah. So we can do things a little bit differently than most staffs in America. There's probably two other staffs that can do it. We can do and preach the message we can preach in terms of you come to Florida State. We are going to train you like a pro because that's all we know. Half of our staff came from the NBA. So in terms of your player development, your nutrition, your weight room, all these kids say they want to get to the NBA.

But then they train like college kids. No, no, the great ones will get there either way. Doesn't matter.

Because everything's different, space is different, the cutting's different, the ball movements different, the terminology is different. We're going to train you like an NBA player before you get there. So when you get there, you don't just get there, you can stick.

“And I think that's first and foremost, the second thing, I'm a big believer in buying stock low.”

And right now, like we haven't been to a tournament in four or five years, but you can feel the momentum of like, all right, we got some good things going. You can go to one of these top programs and I'm not going to name them and just be another guy on their list of, or you can come to Florida State and help us turn this into one of those programs. And to me, a lot of kids resonate with that. Like, I can go to Florida State and like be one of the guys everyone remembers. Yeah, or you can go to a big blue blood and like, yeah, you're just a list of another hundred guys, no one's going to remember you.

Yeah, no, I like that pitch because I do think that you can, and telling someone there's guys wires, certain way where it's like, come be the change. Not come be part of what we've been running for 20 years, you know, like we've been doing it. You're just going to be part of the factory lines like, no, no, start the factory here. That's right. Yeah. And I do think a lot of, you know, these conversations happen with with the kids, right?

They're parents, they're AU coaches, but ultimately the agents have a lot of say. Yeah.

“And it does help us, first of all, I know a lot of these guys from the MBA and our staff does.”

But second off, they see our style play, they see the way we train financially for them. It puts more money in their pocket if they make the MBA, right, long term. And so why not place your kids at a place where it gives them a little bit better chance. And it's not like we're a scrub program down like still floor state university. Like there's a, there's a big time brand. You plan the ACC, ton of our games are a national TV, but your guy is going to have a better shot if he's around MBA coaches every day.

Yeah, it's just, you know, it's science. Yeah, no, I like it. I like, I like the pitch. All right, so could we talk about the MBA finals real quick? You have absolutely competing interest. You are very close with your inbox and Mike Brown is one of your mentors. What are you going to do? Are you, there's a lot. Are you texting each like different things like,

"Hey, I'm root for you, dear." And then Mike Brown you're like, "Hey coach, I know I, you got the team. I love you." Copy and paste. Copy and paste about them four more. Yeah, no more. You got it. Not only dear and Fox, but Harrison Barnes, Jordan McLaughlin with the spurred Denver cell of the floor state guy. Yep.

And then, you know, obviously Mike Brown, he took a couple of our coaches from Sacramento, very close with Ricky Floyd and Italian guy, Charles Allen. But then they got a couple of guys who I was with with the Phoenix Suns, too. Lander, Shamit, real bridges. So like, both teams have like, I really don't know who I'm going for. Either way, it's a win for me, because like someone's going to win, and I'm going to be all the way on their side.

Yep. But I'm, I'm just so happy for, especially for Fox, but for Mike Brown, like he's one of my closest friends. He's really my mentor in my career. He's done so much for my career and my personal life. But to see him at that stage, from where we left together in Sacramento, and that final year in Sacramento, to now where these guys are, I like, I couldn't be happier.

And honestly, this is good for the NBA, but the next being back in the finals, and then you got Wendy on the other side, probably if not now, very soon the best player on earth,

going at it on the biggest, it's incredible for the NBA.

How would you attack Wendy? If you were game planning this? Yeah, there's, there's no really good option, because he's so long defensively.

“The, the best thing you can do against him is get him away from the hoop.”

And so you try to force a switch, but the spurs do a really good job keeping him in positions where he's close to the hoop, and he can run protect. But if you can get him away from the, if you can manufacture him, getting away from the hoop, whoever his matchup is, if he's a threat from three, and you get him away, the ball moves quick, and then you attack the hoop, you know, theoretically you're going to get better shots at the rim. And if he helps and over helps, then you got kick out threes.

Yeah, it's an over simplification for one way to attack him. The, the other way, and okay, so you tried to do it, you just try to physically mollum, and hope that he breaks down.

The, the problem is, that, that, that kid is resilient.

Yeah. It is unbelievable, the punishment he took in that series, and he just kept getting up like, "No, I'm, I'm, I'm here." And we are going to the finals was impressive. Yeah. No, it was, it was incredible, and that would be the, the only, I, I lean next to win this series,

It felt like the thunder just weren't able to do it because they were just lacking in shooters at the end. You know what I mean, with some of their injuries, and they were playing guys that couldn't hit open threes, and you could, you could sag off of them. The next it feels like right now, everyone's, everyone's making shots, and there's not, I mean, even like a guy like Kat, he is one of the best three points shooter.

Right. He is probably the best three points shooting big men ever. So like you get a guy like that, he, everyone you have to respect from three. Yeah, Kat, you know, OG, all these guys can not get shot. Yeah.

Yeah. It'll be interesting too, and, and you kind of saw it last series with the nicks with this long of a break.

You might get a little rust in the, in the first couple quarters that they got to shake off.

But the way the nicks have been playing, I mean, it very rarely, even going back to really our golden state teams. Do you have a team that dominant offensively, but also that dominant defensively? That, that's what's been so impressive with the nicks. Everyone talks about the offensive numbers and output and their efficiency. I mean, the, the margin in the playoffs of their efficiency compared to the next two teams,

which are San Antonio and Oklahoma City is like jarring. It's like a mile of separation. But then it'll also be the best defense. That, that's like unheard of. Right.

It's unheard of. Usually if you're that offensive driven, your defense is going to suffer. Yeah. These guys are doing it all.

“So you, you were, I think your job title was defensive coordinator at one point, right?”

It was. So it, as a defensive coordinator in the NBA, how much of that is effort? How much is it is like you can, you can get most players to be decent at playing defense if they just try. Yeah. It's, it's, it's a little bit of like God given, you know, athletic ability and length.

Like you need length to be a good defensive team. Um, a lot of it is like in your scene again with the nicks and a little bit with the spurs.

And, okay, see, as a per example, a lot of it's just like, are you a dog?

Mm-hmm. And that's, you call it effort, hustle. Like, are you a dog or are you not a dog? And, and if you're, and, and I'm not talking like poodles, Australian Shepherd is like, are you a pit bull? Mm-hmm.

That's ready to go to war at our forces. Or fox. Yeah. Probably not the best example. Right.

Um, but that, that's a huge part of it. I think system and scheme helps. I think length and physicality helps. The best defenses are connected. They communicate at the highest level.

And then they just got a bunch of dogs out there that are hunting. Yeah. Yeah. And that, that to me is like, this is why this, this series is going to be awesome. It's going to be awesome.

It's going to be awesome. Very exciting.

“And you were in Sacramento when they would like to beam.”

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That, that was like, we got there. And that's what they create.

It was, it was pretty cool, man. Yeah. Yeah. I got a lot. I thought it was really cheesy when they pitched it to us.

I'm like, what are we doing? This is circus. No, I like it. The city was like insane. All into it.

Yeah. And team got behind it. It was really cool.

And especially that first year, like we were picked last.

And we finished third in the west. That beam was like the city would go nuts. It was pretty cool driving home. You could like see the beam coming from the city. Yeah.

Is that something that you've, you've considered bringing to Florida State? Mmm. That's, that may be a spear. Maybe a spear could be out of the river. Yeah.

Yeah. That's, that's not about it. Not about I do. Yeah. Hold down here.

Do your first. Yeah. That's not about I do. I had one last question. Then we have Zach has a question.

As a Florida boy. But in terms of the NBA finals, because you went through all these runs with Golden State. What is it like in terms of the mentality of a locker room getting to that final? It's a lot of basketball.

Yeah. And is it like how, how do guys stay fresh mentally or, or you could just say that the Warriors were so good. It didn't fucking matter. Because you guys were that good.

It was a little bit of that. My wife brought it up when we were watching game seven of this last series.

“She's like, do you remember going through the playoffs?”

I don't think we ever had this anxiety. We went like 16 and one. There was a series in Houston where we were down at their place. And then Steph just went nuclear. And I think they miss like 27 straight.

Yeah. That was the game seven. Yeah. That was like the closest we were like, oh, we might, we might not be able to do this. Most of it was like, yeah, we're going to win the title.

Right. Yeah. So, but we had so many vets on those team. You know, everyone talks about Steph and Clay and Dramon and Katie, which obviously you talk about them, but you look at those teams like Zazapatulia, David West, Sean Livingston,

Andre would do like these guys were grownups. Yeah. They were full grown men with families. Like the maturity in that locker room. Anytime something would sway left or right, there's like four adults in the room.

Like no boys were bringing this back in. That's why the spurs are so crazy. I know. You shouldn't be here. I know they have a couple of vets on the Harrison Barnes and plays.

Yeah. But still like all their meaningful minutes are guys that are under 25. And it's like, no team should be doing this. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's again like the gift of Wendy.

He is, he is an alien.

“Do you guys think there's a little outside to tell them.”

Certainly. Why the web is kind of overrated because if you took my athleticism and put in his body, he would still be able to dunk. He only needs to jump for inches to dunk that. That is fair.

But I mean, it's the first big guy that you look at.

And you say, yeah, if I, that's exactly how I would play if I had a size. Every other big guy I look at, I'm like, I'd be so much better than you. Like, if I look at George Mirasson, I'm like, if I was seven, seven, I'd be ten times better than this guy. I look at Wimbie.

I'm like, that'd be me. Yeah. Like exactly. That's why he's so unusual. It's normally you got like a new bowl of George Mirasson.

These guys that, you know, they move. They don't have the skill. He plays like a guard. I know. He's doing step back dribble step backs.

It doesn't make sense. It makes no sense. Yeah. But to your point on the, and Mitch actually touched on his press conference, like experiences highly valuable.

But when you have a group of guys that talented and that competitive, that's where Wimbie's, except like his competitive nature, you can tell on his face. Like he's, he's in tears after the game. Oh, he wanted to rip chats hard out.

No, he wanted to win Baris. No, this family. Like he was going at his throat. I know. That's what makes him special.

Yeah. And really, I don't care how much experience it. You can't replicate that. Yeah. That's why these two.

And even okay, see last year did the same thing. Like, she was unreal. And they were young. Think about that. That okay, see team that won it.

They, they were one of the youngest teams.

“I think there was a second youngest team to get to the finals.”

And the, whereas the youngest. Right. Like since like the 77 blazers I saw. I mean, if you think about it. And we can maybe work on this.

When he still might have some eligibility to come and flee. Yeah. Play for us. Yeah. What was it?

Twenty, twenty, twenty. Who's your tallest guy? We got it. We got a seven footer coming in. Baby shack.

This kid's going to be. Oh, hell yeah. Seven foot. That's a lot. Seven foot 309.

But it built like a defensive end. Look at him. Mark Mars is ponder. He, he was a number four rank center in the country coming out of high school. Um, no relation to Christian ponder.

No relation to Christian ponder. Yeah. Okay. Mars is ponder. Baby shack.

Six, eleven, three, twenty, eight. I love this kid. So we just measure him. He was seven foot. With, with shoes.

Yeah. We play basketball shoes. Yeah. Seven foot with shoes. Um, he was 309.

We're going to try to get him about 285. We got to chisel him up a little bit. But this kid is an animal. I mean, the way he works and his competitive nature. I think from day one.

He's been stepping with it with a huge impact. I was from Springfield, Virginia. I like that. He's from Miami, but went to prep school in Springfield. Um, guy.

You got to fuck. We should do a baby shack.

First of all, sports NIL deal.

Baby shack. Yeah. That could be. We got some baby shack. This is coming to the office.

Don't come to everybody. And do the car wash. He just broke. He broke our hoop on day one. That's like literally broke.

And this is like. These are hoops of Ben in for it. I walk in. I walk in. I walk in our practice.

So the hoops like sideways. Like what happened? Yeah. Like Mars's first workout. This is good.

This is how urban legends get started. He wasn't allowed to dunk in practice. I told him. I said, we got to teach at a dunk man. He can swing it on our hoops.

I'm watching him. He is swinging on the hoop. He's swinging. He strikes. So we could do an NIL deal with him.

“The problem is the only thing we can offer him is cheese.”

Stakes and you're trying to chisel him up. So we can figure something out. Okay. What if we put a bounty on backboards in games? Because you don't see you guys breaking backboards anymore.

They don't break. But if you can damage a rim or break a backboard during a game on a dunk. I'm willing to put cheese steak money behind every time. Yeah. We can't do cheese steaks.

We're trying to trim down there. But that would be like Mark. I told him. He was in my office right before I flew out for this. And I told him.

I was like, Mark, we got to teach you how to dunk. Like Shack. You know, he would do the swing. But those are just highlights. He wasn't doing that every time.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You knew when Shack was trying to break a backboard. That's right.

That's right. I'm watching him. And Mars is trying to break a backboard every time. Every time. Yeah.

I like that. You play Duke Carolina, you play, you know, big time to break the backboard. Yeah. If you're playing, you know, whatever team at home, we need our rims. Yeah.

When you're wearing your, when you're wearing your weird suit. That's not a backtrack. If I got the plaid on this, you don't don't dunk. All that. That's energy.

All right. This has been so much fun coach. I know one last question reads a rowback question.

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It's Paulo's hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com, promo code take. You have successfully made. I mean, I, so I'm not going to stop rooting for for the Badgers, but if I have a second team, especially if you can beat Duke, it will be Florida State because I hate Duke. Love that.

So it will be Florida State this year. But Zach, you got a question for coach, two Florida boys chop it up. They met her a little bit earlier. Coach, I was going to ask about, uh, I was going to ask about. I'm already responded because he does seem post human.

He made the way his body is going to have a question. I did have a question. I was going to ask about that because some of those clips are great to see. I have another question for you being a clear water guy. That's nearby the golf.

You do any fishing growing up or no? A little bit of fishing, a little bit of fishing.

That is all sports football basketball, a group of non-sport.

I do like to fish.

“I wish I would have fish more growing up there.”

You don't really realize how nice clear water is until you leave. And then you realize the rest of the world's not in no basis. A couple of fun facts about clear water. Home of Scientology, not a lot of people know that. World headquarters.

World headquarters. A original hudders. Okay. Oh, for my house. Yeah.

No. Clear waters got some fun stuff. Yeah. All right. So, but didn't do a ton of fishing, but it was an unbelievable place to grow up.

Love going back there. Love recruiting there. Max. What's going on back there? Zach has another question that he just wanted.

Ask. Yeah. What do we do? We're talking about, like, listen, we're talking about national waters. We're going to take it to international waters.

Okay. And I was curious, uh, do you had any highlights from, uh, maybe a honeymoon, circa 22 and Italy? Hello. Hello.

Hello. So, all right. I'll try to keep this story short. Darren Fox, um, married a girl named Ressay. Ressay was an unbelievable basketball player.

McDonald's, all American. Play it. Play it. Yeah. McDonald's, all American.

Played in college. When I was with Golden State at Cal. And she really good player. She was still playing. She interned with Golden State.

And I was low in the film room. So they're like, can you just take care of Ressay? Sure. What we do. She's trying to do film.

You know, rebound for the boys. And so Ressay was like, my intern. Ressay. She thought she wanted to get into coaching. Ressay very wisely did not get into coaching.

Mary Darren Fox. So when I went with Mike Brown to Sacramento, Ressay immediately called me. It was like, come to San Diego, train with Fox. She, you know, shown what you were doing in Golden State. And so immediately that whole summer going into your Juan Sacramento.

I was working out Darren Fox in San Diego. They were getting married that summer. And so went to the wedding. My wife, my wife was like, very pregnant. Like a week before the wedding.

Ressay calls me and was like, hey, we want you to come on the honeymoon. And I'm like, I'm good. Yeah. I'm good. She's like, no, bring Stevie.

My wife and I'm like, Steve is really pregnant. And you guys go enjoy your time. She's like, no, this means so much to Fox to try to make the playoffs and try to become an all star. He doesn't want these workouts to stop. So we're going to Italy.

They, we, we were in Venice. They put me on an island like this JW on this island. So I was away from them. And for two hours a day every morning, we would boat to the same gym. I'd work them out for two hours.

And then we would leave. That's amazing.

And it was, it was actually incredible.

Because it's like, it sounds terrible. I went in there, honey. Yeah, you went on dear Fox. But it showed how dedicated he was to like, not what we're doing this. Right.

I'm not taking two weeks off to go to Italy. So me and the strength coach went. And we like, broke out for 12 hours a day. And you know, drank opera all spritz and beers and Italy. And then for two hours a day, we would just go, put Fox to the most intense work out.

And then we'd go our separate ways. Okay. So good questions, Zach. That was a good poll. Yeah, good.

You cleared it up because you, when you say you went on his honeymoon, you really just went out and helped them work out. Yeah. But now I have a follow-up. How pregnant was your wife? She's about seven and a half months.

And she was cool with this. Yeah. Well, she wanted to come. And you actually did a trip the next year. Okay.

And anniversary trip. Okay. To Spain. And she came. Because that was pretty cool.

That's part of this probably when you're like, yeah, I was growing out, like hanging out. Not ideally.

“And then you're faced timing your very pregnant wife being like, what, where are you guys living?”

Yeah, we were, well, she was still moving from Scottsa. We were the Phoenix Sun. She was in Scottsa. She was in Scottsa. She was in July.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very pregnant. Very pregnant.

So you're very. Your feet hurt. I'm hurting my mom. We're like packing up the house. She's like eight months pregnant.

But now now you got it. You got to be it.

I would always face time or like in the gym.

Yeah. Yeah, you got to be it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm out here grinding.

Yeah. Yeah. So break it. Scottsa. What should I do?

1009 degrees. Yeah. Yeah. Every time it's right here in Italy. Yeah.

When you break it down with the details, it wasn't great. Well, I was just thinking because of my all three of my kids were born in, like, the late spring early summer.

“And like, I remember at the end of my wife just like, it'd be like, you know, 90 degrees in Brooklyn.”

And she'd be walking on the street. And I'm like, this is not good. Not a baby to come out like this is not fun. Yeah. And then through that, like, to move, she actually had my son, the first day of training camp with the Sacramento Kings.

So we're in a two a day. She goes to the hospital. We finished practice one. And that's a tough conversation. Yeah.

And how Mike was awesome. He's like a family guy. Yeah. But I'm like, Mike, I like my wife's about to give birth. And so I drive the hospital.

Mr. Knight practice. It's like six a.m. And I'm like trying to break down film from practice.

And she's like, Luke, what are you doing?

“And I'm like, we're in the middle of training camp.”

Like, I can't shut it off. And her mom was there. She's like, you know, just go. Just go to practice. Come check in on me.

And so we'd later I was there for like 12 hours birth back to practice. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of like me except the differences. Like, while my wife was giving birth,

I was just losing WMBA over. So I was betting in the hospital. So we both got to work. Similar. Yeah.

Trying to stop. Yeah. All right. Well coach, thank you so much for coming here. We're going to be massive fans.

And the fact that your friends with Brooks are good friend and kind of long. Yeah. So a lot of connections, but we really appreciate it. And it was awesome having you on. Thanks for having me.

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We got guys on chicks. Hank. Yeah. Hit us. What's up, shitheads?

It sounds like a lady. Yep. My boyfriend grunts every time he sits down or stands up. But he's 28 and works for a deskshow.

“Is this a medical condition or just him mentally preparing for the NFL season?”

Mmm. It's just a guy. Like you have to, that's an athlete. Yeah, if you make a noise when you do something that it counts as a workout. Like if I stand up and I go,

Mmm. That means I just, that was a burn. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I definitely make noises. What I'm walking.

Memes just said he put this in because I, I would just make all the noises. Oh, question for memes. Did you write this memes? No, I was just like this. I know a guy, he does this, so this sounds real.

What are the noises that Max makes? He's like a bit. Okay. Is that a, is that a standing up noise? No.

He did it before he turned on the mic. Did he talk to you guys? Oh, yeah. I know he, listen, he's a tap. That is, that is definitely under the category of Italian.

I also make noise when I eat. Well, yeah, all of us do. I've got those glasses that record. If you read it, I'd like to put in your point of view. And the bad part about that is you can just hear all the noises that you make.

Just like walking. You're like your nose whistling. If you breathe hard, if you, if you take a few steps too quick, it's, it's a, it's a shocking revelation. Yeah.

No, there's, there's nothing worse than catching a good nose whistle for a little bit. You're just like, fuck man. I think I did this out of here. A nose whistle in an eye twitch. Those are two things that are really nothing in the grand scheme of things.

But can really fuck up your day. What, what? Meem just keeps laughing about the ice cream thing, the hanks. What do you, what do you, what do you say? Yeah, do it again.

That was a nice reason. That was a nice reason. That was right behind him. I thought he, it was like scary. It was good.

And it was also, there was disaster. The, the cone broke halfway through. So I had to eat it quickly because it was going to, it was going to fall through it. It was also the last time before the diet.

Yeah. In fact, although he did this final stretch. He had pizza.

Dude, who's chewed first.

I know, but we had, we had, we had family visiting and they wanted to go, we went to, we went to this pizza patio spot. I'm not just going to go to the patio, not eat pizza. Yeah, no, that's the fact. That's the fact.

Plasion really good. And I got it. You want to know the pizza that I got? Well, the name of the pie that I got. You're literally not going to believe it.

Fat Italian. Basically, spicy meatball. Oh, that was the name of the pie. That's you. Yeah.

Pretty normal. Yeah, that's a pretty normal. That's unreal. Whoa. You can handle.

Wow.

No, that's the, this, this, this Italian pizza place. I guess pepperoni. Had, you know, hot pepperoni. I mean, there's literally, we,

“spicy meatball has just been a bit on this show.”

Right. But that's like a normal thing. That's, like, pizza.

No, much more is a spicy meatball was never listed.

Actually, meatball probably will. You'll never know what this pizza says. It said Hawaii. That's not true. You guys are crazy.

The spicy meatball. You know, it was like, that's me. I got that. I got all thought you were going to say something that was, like, super, like, the spicy.

I just see or something like that. That's basically the same thing. No, I got a sub today. You'll never guess. What?

She can call it Italian. Oh, classic bit. Glasses were very good. I'm, I'm not, I'm not going to get mad today. All right.

All right. I'm noted. Great. Good. Challenge accepted.

Great. No. We haven't even done the AJ Brown stuff. These time travel. Yeah.

Yeah. My male coworker got married recently.

And I always found him somewhat attractive.

But now that he's got to ring on it,

“He's got to ring on it. I find him even more attractive. He's just saying I'm back. So bad. Why is that the case? Does it make me a bad person?”

Then I feel this way Max does look hotter with the ring. Oh, yeah. I'll give you that. Oh, yeah. We wait. Wait. This question was from memes. This we just get me home right. It's a fucking read again. It means what's the fuck me. Me. Me. Oh, my meal coworker got me. I don't know. I don't know. No, this is for you. Yes. Yeah. I mean, this is a home record. You got to your bad news, lady. Yeah. Just finger yourself. Is that what the girl say? I think you just got to you got to recalibrate right now. The guys that you're attracted to do not healthy.

Mm-hmm. If you're on a bachelor at party with all the girls, is it acceptable to have a one night stay with someone parentheses? Obviously not the bride or is that rude? And you should just enjoy the weekend with the girls. Same question for a bachelor weekend and guys. Wait, wait, go back. Huh? The one night stand with one of the fellas? I think you want to say you want the friends to get at least for a bachelor party. You want your boys to get fucked on the bachelor party. That means you're having a, you're hosting a good bachelor party. No, she's saying she's fucking another one of the friends on the trip. That's what I heard. I don't think that's what she said.

One night stay with someone obviously not the bride, but sounds like maybe one day. The doctor was the mother. The woman was a lesbian. I think it's written in a way that makes it sound like she's talking about one of the other bridesmaids, but she's not. I did. I know actually a bachelor at party where this, that actually happened. My party is it's a, I feel like they get really upset bachelor parties. If what a girl goes off separately. Oh, yeah, then that can get weird and it's like we were all worried about you.

But I know a party where it was like one person from the party ended up sleeping with a straight person from the party. I became a whole thing. That's hot. Yeah. Very, the bachelor party. I don't know where the, like guys all separate and everything just goes, hey, why. Yeah, there's no way you can all stay together.

You want chaos. Yeah. You want to guy to like get lost at the club. You want to go to loses glasses at the strip club. You want to guy to just never come home from the strip club.

Uh-huh. All that stuff hypothetical. It's a bachelor party. Sam fun with the boys or not with the boys by yourself and a stripper. All right. Last one. I've been living with my boyfriend for over a year now and he's great to skip this happy stuff, but he has this weird thing about him that I just can't get over. He loves to pick things up with his feet. I can't understand why he doesn't to be fair. He doesn't have the best back. So he says that it's to avoid aggravating it. If he's doing laundry, folding clothes on the bed and something falls in the floor, he'll just pick it up with his toes. He'll pick up the fire stick with his toes.

I've even caught him picking up silverware between his toes one time actually dropped a fork. Luckily he knows better than to just act like nothing happened. And he'll put it right in the dishwasher. I'm not grossed up by feet in general, but something just arose me the wrong way.

“Knowing that he picks things up up the floor with his feet, but he won't stop. Am I going to just have to live with this forever if we get married?”

Yeah. I mean, yeah. It sounds like you're looking at boyfriend's an athlete or an orangutan. Yeah, a gorilla. It could be a primate. Does he have a tail? Are you dating? Wait. Are you dating steady? Could be dating steady. I love his married. Yeah, that's a kind of weird thing, but it also makes me think maybe I'm just not living my life as efficiently as possible. Yeah, I was just saying I got to try this. I didn't know you could do this, but I'm fairly confident at least a fork I could pick up. I got silverware is grossed. Everything else is fine. The silverware is grossed.

The author stick is kind of strange too. It's fire six fine. Silverware grossed. So weird part about this is more that he's just barefoot all the time. Yeah, that's not. I can do this, but I'm not really barefoot. Right. There's actually there's one item that I've I've used my feet to pick up probably more than

I've tossed a remote to myself using my feet from the ground. But that's just because like I've usually got a nice ass group going in the couch. I've got like my set up going so I don't want to move.

“Then I'll use my feet to like try to kick it up to myself. Usually won't succeed at it, but yeah, so that's like this guy is just I think he might be more efficient at”

Just like he's different appendages. I've been we've been playing with our hands type of hunter back all these years. Yeah, I tried using our feet. I lost I lost the living room remote for six days. It was a nightmare. That's brutal nightmare. Where was it? I don't even know it just showed back up.

But it was just back. I'm assuming one of my kids just took it. I put the remote in the fridge. Oh, I put my phone on the fridge one time. Yeah, that's tough. More in the fridge. That's just that's just putting your that's when you're just on autopilot. Yeah, you're just you're just cruising along in life. You're in the zone in years like oh shit. Where the remote go.

Yeah, okay. We've never done this before where we did the numbers. We played it the beginning of the show and then we're going to do new numbers.

Does anyone want to guess first? It means you're going to fix a camera first before. Does anyone want to guess first? You're in numbers. Does anyone want to guess first? Do eight. Anyone want to guess?

Are you 44? Anyone in the booth want to guess? Oh, me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. I just said a pifties. He said a. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're. All the 32. I'll do three. I guess I mean, I'll do 11 to do 11. You sure? Do I have your permission?

I don't think it is. I don't think the damage is done. He just shouldn't. This is bad idea. I want to say for the record, this is bad idea.

“Go for a josh heart. Let's go to two for.”

Who do you say memes? Three. Josh heart. Three. Okay. He has got it. 68. 21. 69. Okay.

44. You're going 11 for Carter Bryant. He's got up there. He has a meme. 63. Anyone? No.

All right. One more? Oh, boy.

The meme is not that colon guy. We're colon guests. 69. Okay. And Jacob did 68. Yeah. So it's fine. I don't know what you guys are freaking out about.

Whoa. Why? We're freaking out because somebody lottery balls are almost broke up the whole podcast. So when somebody took the number we want. Well, no. He won't die. Why? They took the number.

He won't study. 44. Actually. No. Yeah. No. Wow.

All right. Max. What a day for the boot boy. He shit. Two thirds of you. Good job. Max. Beautiful.

“Oh, I'm saying the regular boot boys in this during the show.”

40. That's incredible. Another ring for Max.

Four days in a row for Max.

Anyone else want to congratulate Max? Oh, congrats, Max. Yeah. Zack. Good pull. Max, how are you feeling?

I think I'm good. I think this I think this is fair. This is clean fair win for me. No, that's your favorite player right now. Right? For sure.

No, that's not. Not your emails. Yeah. For sure says 44 scoreless. I think he did.

He might pitch the night. Wow. What a pull, Max. Congrats, Max. Way to go.

Shit. I mean. Well, as you're closing it around me. In Hank. Yes.

So right now it's Jacob Zach. Me. Max. Wow. Oh, God. Oh boy.

Okay. Are we doing birthdays? Did we already run that? Are we piping in the old birthdays? Pipe in the old birthday?

Tipe in the old birthdays. Love you guys. We have to be birthday to Kate. Oh, okay. Okay.

So Kate. Happy birthday to Roma Dunes. Happy birthday to Aaron Nola. Max. Happy birthday to Al Horford, Hank.

Also, 10 day birthday countdown starts today. Until Hank's birthday. 10 days. We got 10 days to get ready for Hank's birthday. It's a can't miss.

Hank's birthday. 10 days. I'm saying that loud to myself. Also, have a big huge happy birthday today. Probably should have led off with this.

Or should I say, eat me lad, said, agbal, meat, sanna, to the amir of Qatar.

I appreciate everything you do.

“Glorious, wise, gracious across the board.”

Keep not getting out of the parking.

Or amir, should I say? Love you guys. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music)

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