Tony Romo, Conor McGregor Blows Out His Knee, The World Cup Is All Blue Bloods + Mt Rushmore Of Guys You Want To See Ride A Horse

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“Tony Romo, going into it, we're like, hey, we've talked a lot of shit about this guy.”

This could go one of two ways. Well, it went the good way, because we told him we talked a lot of shit, and he was like, "That's cool." And then we had an awesome discussion for like 45 minutes about football, golf, everything. Really, really cool guy.

So, Tony Romo, great interview. We're going to do the Mount Rushmore of guys we want to see ride a horse. That'll be after Tony Romo, before Tony Romo, we had a great sports week and a lot to recap. We're about to be in our dead zone week with all-star break here for baseball, but we had UFC, we had World Cup, we had the baseball, all-star break.

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Welcome to part of my tape, presented by Draft King's, the Crown is yours. Today is Monday, July 13th, and Conner McGregor is back. And Conner McGregor is no longer back, it was that fast, boys. We have a lot to get to, but UFC 239, oh boy. I got to be honest, I stopped watching after Patty the Baddie.

That was my main event of the night. Hank, our UFC expert Patty the Baddie was electric. Patty the Baddie is the next star of the UFC. I was going to say like Patty the Baddie could have won by submission four times in the time that we've been doing part of my tape right now.

Yeah, like it was over right when it started. But Conner McGregor did he pull a Jose Conseco versus Billy football. The discussion is going wildfire right now because we've got angles of Conner McGregor warming up. If you miss the fight and you're not a UFC fan, it's a big deal that Conner McGregor is back. Huge, huge deal.

First time in five years, a lot of money on the line. I think he got paid like $30 million. He came out, he threw one kick, and then immediately slipped, then slipped again, and then 15 seconds into the fight. It was over because he tore his ACL, which he might have torn in training.

And now we have to ask, was this all just set up for a cash grab, Conner McGregor knowing

that he was hurt and never going to be able to actually fight.

Yes, 100% I've been going back and I did watch his walkout. And I've been watching like this a prudro film like slow mo. He does seem to be favoring his leg. And the walkout now, I also saw the video of him throwing a kick. And it looks like you can see the knee exploding as he's throwing the kick during the fight itself.

“So, yeah, I think it was probably hurt and probably aggravated it during the fight.”

Yeah, see that's, I land with you there. It's probably the layman sir because everyone wants it to be one way or the other. They want it to be. He had a torn ACL and he known it for weeks and he just was going to go get paid. And then other people were saying, no, he just got as a fluke injury.

I think he was hurt and then he hurt it even more as soon as the fight started.

That's what I think now it wouldn't shock me to know that kind of a Gregor towards ACL and training.

And then he just pretended that it wasn't hurt. No, that wouldn't surprise me either, but I agree with that.

“I think it was probably there was something wrong with it.”

And when he went out there to try to fight on it immediately, he just told him, no, you can't do this. They do have video of him limping into the new port medical plaza in California days prior. That's the one that's tough. Yeah, that's, but that's where I think he probably had like a ACL strain. And then he actually tore it in the fight.

But yeah, that one's not great. What do they have going on at the new port medical plaza? What kind of businesses are I'm not sure within inside the building? It's Kramer Orthopedics and Dr. Warren Kramer noted athletic knee specialist. So yeah, that's, that's a pretty big smoking gun.

And also the fact that he took off his shoe and looked like he was in immense pain right before stepping into the ring. He did leave the entire building without even getting changed. I saw him just walking out. He was like walking to his car.

It's like fucking, I'm just out of here.

Probably the last we'll see him fight. Yeah, I, no, no, no, he did sign it. I think he's signed for two fights. So the way he was talking after he was saying it was a fluke knee's upset and he had been training so hard and so I feel like he's going to try and write this wrong.

But it's, it was such a disappointment. I, I feel like everyone's lost their interests. Yeah, they, their interest is not like what it was before this fight. I agree, I, I consider myself firmly in that camp. I was very interested in this fight.

I was excited. It was jacked up, had the fight on like, here we go. Patty was again, Patty was stole the night. He was so, so good. Giateen DeFrenchman.

That's, that's appropriate. Oh, huh. Uh, but yeah, and then, and then Connor McGregor, like it was like, oh, this is, whatever you want to say about it, probably not the best guy. Better fighter than guy.

That's for sure. Much. Uh, but he's, I'm what, I'm not ex, when you're watching UFC,

“I don't, I think you're not saying, hey, all these guys are,”

are guys, uh, that are like, upstanding moral characters. You're watching guys to beat the fuck out of each other. Right, I'm not sure what you're doing. Do some because there are no Bill prize laureates. Yeah, it would be helpful if he wasn't a rapist.

Yeah, he'd be good. Yeah. But he, uh, he, it, it was over so fast, and it was so disappointed to watch. Yeah, Hank, our specialists. Yeah, I mean, I love Patty.

The bad day was happy he won, but both of those fights in terms of, like, being excited for a big fight night, they weren't the most electrifying fights. Like, Patty, I'm happy Patty won and it was, it was good that he won, but, you know, even though I'm a huge UFC guy, just all parts of the sport, I like, I like fights. Yeah, Patty's the best.

You know, like, I like brawls back and forth, bloody. You don't know who's going to win, not just, you know, the wrestling. I was very excited that it ended both of them at it so fast, because I went to sleep.

That game and also in the Argentine game ended basically, like,

I just ended after. Yeah, that was how it was out. Yeah, but it was a sneaky, like, great sports day, because we had this. We had the World Cup to anyone else have any of the thoughts on countermeasure.

Zack, you are a big UFC guy, right? I do like to watch the fights. I think he'll fight again, and then even outside the UFC, I think he also will go on, like, the boxing run after words. What, Zack, how old are you when made with your fault, Mcgregor?

I don't know what year that was, probably, like, 2016, 2017? I was priced 17. Okay. All right. We were at it. No big deal. Yeah, it was a good fight. That's, that's awesome.

Now, real big was fun. It was a fun environment for a fight. You did it to fight itself with the fun, the sell of the fight before the fight was. Oh, we're walking around doing Irish accents all week. It was awesome. There you go.

One corner of the regga, and there's nobody better. And he's gonna knock out Floyd May, where the so Floyd watch out. The Irish are coming. You're talking all the way. But you do know me.

Um, hey, I got a question for you. Yeah. I, as I, I made self-described UFC casual, unlike yourself. Mm-hmm. The future of UFC, since they don't have to sell paper views anymore, because of the nature of the contract that they did.

Um, what's up? I, I don't know where this question is going. I don't know if our X, I think you're putting our expert in it. No, no, I think it's pretty good. It's gonna be a fair question.

Okay, I'll be able to answer it. Since, so hey, since they don't have to sell fights anymore, it feels to me as a casual, like the UFC does not have big-time prime-time superstars, like they used to have patty. At least when I, besides patty, at least when I used to watch fights.

And I watch a lot more UFC, like the early 2010s, uh, through the mid-2010s, the 2000s, watch a lot. But it feels like they're lacking a guy, like, a face. Who's the future face of this league for the UFC? There's so many.

Besides patty's bad one. Not any max haul, I just be caught on my Gregor, huge, huge paper views. He's been a lot of people around for a while. Uh, well, it's not paper view, right?

“Well, you have to pay for a pair of them out.”

Right, true. Yep. I think that, you know, I think there's a lot of guys that could be,

We're trying to have to wait and find out.

Well said. Yeah, also.

That's what makes it so fun.

It's like there's almost too many good fighters coming. Yeah. I was corrected my pause, so if you were going to put them in a bind right now. But can anybody answer that question for me?

“It's like, who should I be excited about in the future?”

Yeah, just a K-C-Volkanovsky. Right, I'm familiar with K-C. Peter Yon, things of this nature. You've been able, Stevenson fought. Yeah.

He's able Stevenson's got to be future phase. Yeah, but getting fight, I don't think you can fight. I won't last night. Peter, fuck yeah. I would love it if he was like, why do we mean he can't fight?

Of course, he can fight. He's like the best fighter. He did beat the fuck out of the guy. He's the best wrestler of all time. And part of he's the best.

He is wrestling. He's the best collegiate wrestler of all time. Yes, 100%. I want him. I think Max, you're a, Mr. and Sam, when I'm saying that.

But we're talking future. Future, okay. This is like, and Patty. Yeah, Patty. The patty, the patty walk out there.

Oh, something. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. He was so amped up, talking. Like, when he starts singing his own song, it's a cool thing, ever. That's where you couldn't actually make the argument.

The countermeasure was 100% hurt because if you watch him walk out, he did not look like he had the, the charisma, the fire, the, the cockiness. It looked like he was kind of trying to put on a face for it. I don't even hurt. You don't think he was on.

What about him taking off the shoe? I'm, I'm looking at this view. You go to a doctor. No, but Max three days before. He's working on her.

Because he's getting, you get treatment. What about treating it all the time before, like, like, at a knee specialist? There's probably other things that happened in there.

“What, what about, that's what about him taking off his shoe?”

Do you see that part? I didn't see this part. This is the most normal walk I've ever seen. Yeah, that's not much of a limp. But Max, you, you're avoiding the question.

I have not seen this shoe. Okay, pull it up because it's the most blatant something that's very fucked up. He tried to take off his shoe right before going into the ring. And you could see the pain.

He was a hop that he does. He liked his feet. He had his shake his foot. He's trying not to put weight on. Watch here, go.

So he's taking off his left foot, left shoe. Then right foot, then doesn't put any weight on it. Yeah. And kind of looks down at it. Taking off your shoes like that is tough sometimes.

I think that, I think this is normal. I don't know about you, Matt.

The second I got the shoe off, I'm putting weight down on that foot.

Put it. Yeah. Take your shoe off right now. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Without using your hands. Just did. No, you're in the middle. You're in the middle. Watch, watch, watch.

You told me to take my shoe off. No, but be careful. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. Let's get camera.

All right. Took a shoe off. See, that was it. You just did the same thing. No, but he put weight immediately on the foot when the shoe came off.

Show, touchy, sank. I'm wearing. I'm not shoes come off. Let's touchy, sank. Ready?

Ready. That's pretty clean. Okay, that was pretty good. Yeah. It's a weird hop that he does for sure.

It's not a normal hop. Unless he was doing a dance, I don't know what was going on. If the music was playing. I think it was a bummer. That's really what it comes up.

I mean, the Mohawk is like a big time.

“How do I distract people from the fact that my knees fall off?”

Definitely Mohawk. Mohawk and Mohawk. Those are two haircuts. My eyes are up here. Yeah.

Where you're like, I'm trying to get someone to go to look somewhere else. If he's not hurt, he'll come out his corner. He just didn't come out his corner. Yeah. No.

So, here he goes. Here's put on a shoe. Oh. That might be when he hurt it. Yeah.

That was a pretty... Put on a shoe. Put on of the shoe. Yeah. It was.

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Should we talk some world cup? We have some great games. Really good games. Great games on Friday. We had Spain.

No it was Spain Friday. No Spain. Yes Spain was Friday. Spain won on Friday. To punch their ticket to play France this week.

In the semi-final and then on Saturday. We had England and Norway. Which was a great game. We have the...

Are we on fraudlin?

What's we calling? Offer checking out. I don't know. I'm not on fraudlin.

He got screwed by his teammate.

Not passing him the ball. But then he did come out of the game. Yeah. He came out. I like my star.

It's not come out of the game.

“He's also such a physical man that they call him for penalty.”

When maybe someone say it was kind of more like a love tap that he gave the gun. England. I mean England was a better team. Wait. Yeah.

No they weren't. England was a much better team. But then there's controversy after the game too with the wire. Yeah. The wire that the sky came runs on.

The Norway guys are saying that the ball hit the wire. Steve is saying that our ball that has a world class sensor inside that can measure if a bird farts on it. Did not go off when the ball allegedly hit the wire so they're saying clean good goal for England on that one.

But Norway is not going to go down without a fight. But they should. That guy that didn't pass the ball to Holland. Give me a break. Holland.

You are a one-man team. And that's okay. Although they're other guy had an awesome goal later on. But Holland is like the best strike in the world. Given the ball, if he's inside the box and he's going to figure out a way to score.

It's crazy.

“And a game like that not passing the ball is actually insane.”

Yeah. Spain beat Belgium. That was I forgot who they beat. So they got us justice because I wanted. There was I actually wanted Spain to beat them like worse.

I wanted Spain to beat him by like six to one. So I could say, hey, we were so far away. Doesn't even matter. But yeah. The the the wire was crazy.

England. Now they're in the heartbreak stage.

I didn't realize how often they're basically always in the quarter finals.

And they just always lose in the quarter finals. There. And now we have in perfect England fashion where they have like this good vibes. Everything's going well. Their coach is now beefing with some of their players because their coach said they were not tactically like perfect.

He didn't love the game. And then I think it was. It was due. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. The coach interview was was weirdly heated.

“That guy by the way, is the most like how is he not British.”

Like I saw picture was like that's the most British guy I've ever seen. He looks like he should be royal families. He's like he's just ugly British, but he's not British. So it does this is ultimate heartbreak stage now for England going up against Argentina. There's so much history with those teams.

And like the hand of God was against them. Just when you see these two flags next to each other. You think one fallen war two you think guaranteed heartbreak for England. Tell me about the fallen war. So it's back in the heart of a few times.

Back in the end honestly. I know nothing. So there's a little islands off the coast of Argentina that England laid claim to. Because England laid claim to like every set of little island that was off the coast of it. Every other big country in the world for time.

And then Argentina was like we're going to send our Navy and we're going to take these islands because they should be ours. And then England was like well we're going to try to fight back and then it was a big thing and long story short. I guess you could say Argentina won. Didn't they win was isn't it like in the 80s too when that was when they won in 86. Yeah.

That was like I saw I saw like a video that was like the it was as it was happening. And it was more like an Argentina got their revenge when it all comes to soccer. It's like you think you think of the hand of God. So Maradana was playing against England back in 1986. He had two goals in that game one.

He jumped up in the air, punched the ball over the goalie with his hand. The ref didn't call it. And then later after the game instead of trying to pretend like it was a good goal. He was like yeah, no that was the hand of God that did that. Which rocks to say.

And then the other goal that he had was maybe the best goal in the history of soccer. Where he dribbled through like the entirety of the British team. And then scored on him at the end. So they the countries have a lot of history together. Didn't didn't England piece up Argentina in the soccer morse.

So like wasn't Hitler in Argentina? That's totally different. The video that I saw was like Argentina troops that just gotten fucked up. They got to get a smush. And then they put they won the World Cup.

Yeah right. They got smuggled. So that was their revenge for the. Yeah. Yeah.

I think they got absolutely bodied. And no, yes. A lot of Nazis went to South America. But that was World War II. Yeah.

We're talking about the fucking islands. That's the same thing. No. No. Falking Island.

That was in like another new World War II. 1980s. Wasn't there a conspiracy that Hitler didn't. He just moved. Yes.

Because they were a bunch of Nazis. They're not playing Germany. Yeah right. Germany has nothing to do with us. We're talking about the.

The Walkland War was Argentina first England.

And England fucked him up. Bad. Got it. Now it is interesting that there's a lot of like. German ancestry in countries like Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay.

It's also like there's a lot of black players in Brazil.

There's no black players that ever play for Argentina.

Weird. That is weird. It's very strange.

“Well, we do have a World Cup semifinal of one, two, three, and four ranked.”

It's basically the. Was it twenty, twenty, two, final four? Yeah. Yeah. We have the blue bloods.

We got the blue bloods in this one. And the other game was Argentina versus Switzerland, which was controversial, which I don't understand the controversy whatsoever. The red card. It was a yellow card that went against Switzerland for.

Mistaken identity. So what's the actual call of it? Well, it was technically mistaken. I did this. What we talked to Tim Rim about.

Yeah.

Because he got this call reversed in the first game where the ref just made the wrong call.

And he called a foul against Argentina. Then he looked at it again. He was like, oh, Mistaken identity. The guy that committed the infractor was actually on Switzerland for diving for embellishing. That's what happened here.

Yeah. Exactly. So it's not technically Mistaken identity. But that's where FIFA is saying in this World Cup. It's like, yeah, we.

We can allow them to say that it's Mistaken identity. If they fuck the call, I got a problem with it. It was an egregious flop. And that guy should get a yellow card. It's not only an egregious flop, but it was an egregious flop.

No where near like I understand if you're trying to flop in the penalty area. It's get it to get a penalty kick. Like that would make sense. Yeah. You got to take a shot here.

It was the middle of the field. He already had a yellow. He it wasn't even.

There's also a flops that.

I think we all can agree. Suck and soccer where a guy will get tapped. And he will roll around. And it's like, okay, you're trying to sell it. Get it.

It happens in all sports. He wasn't even contacted. He wasn't touched when he started this flop. Right. So it's like, how is anyone disagreeing that this was supposed to be a yellow card?

Is just people have messy derangements syndrome? If anything, he flopped into the end. Correct. And he committed a felony. I thought we were trying to get flopping out of soccer.

So then when they get flopping out of the soccer, you can't just be like,

“Oh, well, you should never call it in that spot.”

Just say, just come out and say, Zack, that you hate messy. And you think it's rigged for them. Which is that. I don't think it's rigged from messy whatsoever. You just hate to see 10 versus 11 in a game like this.

You want to see that? I liked it. I loved it. You wanted to play 11 on 11. So for that for the VR and a pop up and like actually you're out of here.

Your country's hopes are gone. You hate to see that. I didn't hate to see it because I thought it was the right call. And I thought the guy flopped. And I would get flopping out of soccer.

And again, if he had flopped in the penalty area would have been like, hey, at least you got to take a shot. He just did it in the middle of nowhere because he just wanted to get the other guy. He wanted to get the other guy in trouble. That's fucking bullshit.

So yeah, it was a good soccer though. It's very good soccer. So yeah, in this world cup, we got the 1, 2, 3, 4 seed. Last world cup, it was 3, 4, 12, 22. Year before that, 3, 7, 12, 20.

So you usually do get an underdog. At least one big underdog. That's in it. I like it. These are these are four soccer flags.

Yeah, when you look at these flags next to each other, you think this is about to be a banger of a game. And it's actually perfect because if you wanted to make the blue blood argument, the two teams that you could say are blue bloods that are not here. Germany and Brazil have both been like very disappointing in the last.

Whatever it is, three, four world cups. So it's like their star is faded. This is it. Which crazy is that France before they won the World Cup in 98? I think they were ranked like 20 or 21st.

They had never been, I don't think ever a top 10 team in the world.

And then they won the World Cup with Zedon and Henri. And then they just turned that into another powerhouse. Yeah. And so I think we're on a collision course for France and Argentina. Run it back.

We have Spain, memes and Zach and the King's Cup. The King's Cup. You're all, you're all versus messy. You're all versus messy. Yep.

The baptize. How would you be able to defeat the man that baptized you? No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. I don't think you could.

You can't do that. It'd be so fucked up. Also, they're expanding the World Cup to 64 teams. Jesus. Yeah.

“I mean, that's what in font they want to do.”

You wanted to turn it into American sports. And he wanted to use this world cup to learn how we're able to monetize every single facet of our sports. And the fact that it was somebody whispered like, hey, you know, the NCAA tournament they used to do 64, everybody loved that bracket. He thought about that and he was like, that's a great idea.

I think I will try to do that because he has to propose something right now. People are coming for his ass. Yeah. His ass is in the jackpot with the the balligan stuff because all of you waif is pissed off about him.

And it turns out that only one guy on the committee of 18 rule judges that he talked about. There's only one guy that made the decision to reinstate balligan. And he was the head of the committee. Ah, not like the whole eight. So people are pissed out in font day.

So if he wants to keep his job, he's got to he's got to show up with a big brown envelope. Like, uh, accept ladder used to get some more teams involved.

Yeah.

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Okay. Other stories we've got. We've got so MBA summer leagues happening and we had a fight. Which was awesome.

Uh, which we didn't get to watch it, but BAM verse Tyler hero.

Uh, had a fight. I, I don't know how much of a, how much of it was a fight versus everything I've read is kind of just BAM. Maybe bitch slapping Tyler hero and just being like, you don't want this entirely hero. He had a, he had a burner.

“Is that what we're thinking he was posting I think from his main.”

Like being like this guy's not that good. Uh, so the incident took place at Jim inside the resource world casino in front of heroes. A, you team. Ooh, that's tough. According to multiple sources, who witnessed the incident.

BAM is one of the, is probably top of the list of guys I wouldn't want to fuck with. He just feels like he might be the strongest guy in the MBA. Especially you feel like an idiot if you got punched by somebody named BAM. Oh, there's like a, yeah, no shit. I sure seen that comment.

This is, no, that's a, yeah. Okay, that's AI. That was full video. That's AI. Yeah, that's, we got to just make sure.

Pretty well. Yeah, pretty well. Because that's on the Miami court. Yeah.

But it also, it's summer league just fun.

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He shouldn't have allowed them to do that. He shouldn't have allowed them to do that. Not that Matt Stafford's bad player because he's not, but to be a 99. Don't you need... Can you be like super slow and be a 99?

I think so. Yeah. How does that work? I think you can. All your other ratings make up for it. Other attributes.

I don't care if they're not. Yeah, I can't get mad about this. I did see that Miles Garrett. Obviously, he's a ram right now. And I guess Aaron Donald was working out at the team facility.

Mm-hmm.

It's going to happen.

Yeah. And he... Miles Garrett posted on Instagram doing some unpacking and it was an Aaron Donald sign jersey. From when they were, you know, probably when they did a jersey swap. It's going to happen.

It's definitely going to happen. Aaron Donald is going to be a ram this year, and we're all just going to have to deal with it. And it's going to suck because the rams are going to be so fucking good. So good. So so so good.

Um, okay. Uh, any other, any other stories that we want to hit before.

I mean, all star break feels always.

It's like, oh, shit. Summer is about to, we're about to hit this. The button and be like, oh, fuck. It's no longer summer. Yeah, I mean, that is.

It would be very nice of LeBron to take up a new cycle day.

“Yeah. That would be the best thing that he's done.”

He, uh, yeah. The, the AL is bullshit this year. We maxed and I were talking about it. The, the cubs. The cubs and the fillets have the fourth and fifth best record in all of baseball. And they're both not leading their divisions.

Yeah. It's, it's bullshit. Hey, are you, are you noticing shame was telling me the red socks would have been hot? Yeah. I think they wouldn't lie in our own.

They're still, uh, blow 500 bucks. Are you in the wind card? When, when do you, I don't, they're not in the wild card, but they're, they're getting closer. When do you, uh, I came back.

Half came back and they're, blow 500. I'll be a season all star break. That's, that's when, that's when you make a run.

Are you buyers of sellers, eh?

Probably sellers. Might be buyers. Don't know. I mean, with the expanded wild card, it's, ever, it can be a buyer. Because everyone can tell themselves that they're right there.

It's true. There's a lot of teams that are right there. Yeah. I was talking to memes who does not like to have any conversations that aren't about the next,

but the Mets are going to be sellers. And Freddy Pralta, he said, is saving his good stuff for next year. Yeah. Yeah. For his next day.

Pretty pralta is famously going to be a free agent and trying to make money. Uh, big time money. So, so why would he be saving his stuff memes? Yeah. Same for his next day.

Like, you put that stuff. You get paid more if your stuff's good. I can't explain it. He fucking sucks. Yeah.

I mean, he's better. I imagine he's going to save it. Okay. I paid. Got it.

Yeah. He's been a very good pitcher in, in,

Major baseball for seven years and made 30 million.

“Like, that's see, I think he wants to be good this year.”

You're just saying that like some money. The way things go, you can see him dominating as soon as he gets off the Mets. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's different. That's a different conversation. That could definitely. Can we revisit some of those guys? How do you feel about Peter Lanzo?

What were your expectations for Peter Lanzo after he left the Mets? Verse, how he's played? I love Pete personally. Uh, I would have kept him because they didn't have the first basement for the first three months.

That also was just where a polaco got hurt the first week. But I would have kept Pete definitely. Anybody else? Yeah. Well, no.

I would have kept Pete if I were. I would have kept Pete. Yep. Were you convinced that he was going to dominate after he left? Yeah.

I mean, I was having a good year. Yeah. He's doing good on the Orioles draft and the Dinger's only. By the way, Dinger's only. Maxim last.

Big time last. Not big time last. I'm one back. Big time last. Big time last.

That's his big time last.

“That's his big time last as you can get.”

And correct James would might just be the best hitter in baseball. He's just fucking insane. And I feel like he does this every early July going into the All Star Break. I hope he doesn't do the Home Run Derby again this year. But for the last, uh, last week.

He's been absolutely nuts. Yeah. Love that guy. Very good. Okay.

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My who's back the week is. Insane animal videos that I am pretty sure are real. But our so insane they could be. Okay. Go on.

The first one. 900 snakes, including venomous cobras escaping into a village from breeding farm after massive flooding in China. So the video is literally just you know street flooded water running down it and then you can just see 900 snakes in it.

And that big island of snakes that's floating down the river. It's like the anaconda videos. I'm like, this is not real. I was trained to think this is not real, but this one seems to be real. I looked into it a little bit.

That island of snakes. Those are actually birds that are flying together. But there are snake. There's a lot of snakes that are in that water. So the ones where they should people catching the snakes afterwards.

It's so scared.

So those are birds.

“But then later they show people catching a bunch of snakes out.”

Those are snakes. And there's a lot of snakes. Yeah. Jesus Christ. You got, you got to leave.

Never come back. Yeah. And then the second one was at Yellowstone National Park. A huge bison. Unbelievable video.

There's two tourists. They see the bison from like 20 feet away. And then the bison turns. It starts charging the guy. The guy is like 60 plus years old. Yeah.

They're like, he's trying to hide behind a tree. The bison's hunting him down. And then he just launches him like 20 feet in the air. It's jackass. Yeah.

This is incredible jackass.

The guy. You got to, I don't know what his move. I mean, he had no chance. He got a launch. I hope the guy is okay.

Second of all. I don't think so. I think he's in serious condition. I mean, the suspenders are very funny. Yeah.

I mean, the poor guy had no. He just didn't have the fast twitch to get away from that bison. Yeah. Also, his old lady. Is that a Ryan Fitzpatrick dolphin, Jersey?

It's got to be, right? I think so. Minko. Quinnures. Maybe she's a Quinnures.

14. Yeah. It's Quinnures. It's Fitzpatrick. Or Quinnures.

Potentially Fitzpatrick. Got to be. Or Jarvis Landry, I guess, could be. It's got to be Quinnures. That would actually be very funny if he was Quinnures.

On real video. Yeah. I hope this guy's okay too. Like he. I don't know if we've got an update.

I mean, you. If he survived that, that's in all time. Like, hey, you want to see a cool video. I got hit by a bison. Yeah.

I got fucking trucked by a bison. Yeah. Just don't.

Never take a picture of an animal.

And he went cartoonishly like ragdoll. Oh.

“I think they're running the bulls this weekend.”

And I actually know that because I think some. Some person got Gordon the face and I try to find the picture. I couldn't find it. Because that's one where I always root for the bulls. So I have no problem.

Look at that shit. Yeah. You know what you're doing when you say it in the bulls. Yeah. I got no problem rooting for the bulls and that one.

He went fucking flying. Oh man. Somehow the shoes stayed on. Yeah. Probably no bulls.

Yeah. Good point. Yeah. Also deck broscott. Back.

Yeah. He's looking pretty. Yeah. He's with the boss with the boys. I mean, I thought it was fake.

They do like fake pictures and stuff where they like beat themselves up. Like how it was one of those. Or it was like a guy that looked like Doc Prescott type of thing. Yeah. But that he his arms are massive.

He does. He looks like he's been doing a lot of just like curls. He looks like he's a guy who doesn't want to lose another fight in a Panama Beach. You know. And he just broke up with his fiance.

Oh, that's where it is. Back together. I thought they got back. I don't know. I think I think Hank's right.

Those are single arms.

“Like those are that that's the muscle you build up if you're on the market again.”

You might be too big to throw a full. That's what I'm saying.

Like that's I've never seen a quarterback.

A good quarterback. This can't be a real photo. That's. This they they altered this. It's this one thing I I know about quarterbacks.

You want your quarterback to have like almost abnormally skinny elbows and arms. Yeah. His friend is really sure that just says cocaine. That's very funny. Yep.

Wait, that might that also could that be Taylor's friend. That's a that's a very. That's a proud shirt. Fuck. Okay.

He zoomed on it. I think that's what it says, right? I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Yep.

Yeah, that just says cocaine. Co is it. Is it Coke love cocaine? Yeah. I don't know.

Might not be DAX friend. We he's just standing next to DAX. Yeah. Maybe very funny that guy just followed around DAX. Just a every picture of DAX has a guy wearing the cocaine shirt bond.

Okay. All right. The other does that. That was good news back. Good news back.

I'm really good. His back. My first news back is. Artificial turf at Foxborough and all the other stadiums that are taking part in the World Cup.

Also the picture of the year. That was probably your next one. Which one? Early in Holland. One of his goals at Foxborough with the lighthouse in the background.

Oh, no. I did not see it. I noticed it. Because the lighthouse is so freakishly small. But no.

They, they read, read it all the artificial turf. That's all the stadiums that got replaced with grass. It's just, it's such a spit like a slap in the face to every player that plays on the stadiums Where it's like, yeah, they could put grass down for a month that they really wanted to. But they're, as the second that the money making is out of the town.

They're just going to put that shit back on. Yeah. Max, you just searched lighthouse at first?

I did a Holland lighthouse.

Go to, go to his Twitter.

It's his Twitter. The, yeah. No. It's, it's crazy. You can't figure it out.

It sucks. Oh, okay. Don't see any lighthouse in the past. Okay. That's not where's the lighthouse.

No lighthouse. Oh. All right. That's cool. Is that what the lighthouse looks like?

It actually looks like, no. You know, it looks like an air traffic control tower. It does. Yeah. It's not a good same purpose.

That's not good. Both of those things serve the same purpose. - No, that's not the most. - Life's not the most. - Life's not the most.

- Definitely don't do anything. - Guiding. - Guiding. - One item, both.

- Yeah, once for both, once for air points.

- They serve the same purpose. - My other who's back in the week is, no, air traffic. - No. - Teachers, flight instructors. - Did you guys see the story about the person

that just jumped out of the plane? - Yeah. - It was like, hey, the controls were yours. - Yeah. - Good luck landing this.

“- Honestly, kind of a great teacher move.”

- Mm-hmm. - Throw 'em in the fire. - Great. Put 'em in the deep end, see if they can swim. And she landed the plane. - What are you making that face for, Max?

- I mean, the person killed himself. - Yeah, no. - But also great teachers. - Yeah, she don't know that. - We just saw the guy who got smoked by a buffalo.

- Yeah, we did. - Yeah. - That guy's not dead. - We just, we don't know that. Like, we just know that he jumped out.

- Yeah. - Six thousand feet. - Also, Max is an Argentinian guy, I think. You probably think he was Nazi. - He wasn't an Argentinian?

- I don't know, was it an Argentinian? - I don't know. - That's used to me. (audience laughs) - Do that while they went to Argentina.

- Well, while your team's in the world cup. Now, where'd you get the Argentinian part? - I might have made it up. Oh, no, it wasn't Argentinian. - Oh, what, it's okay.

- Yeah. - And it was, yeah, the, I mean, credit to the woman who landed the plane. - Yeah, 22 year old in the sea. - The guy looked at her and goes,

you know what you have to do carry on. And then he took off his headset and phone on clip to seat belt, open the aircraft door, and jumped out. - Now, I think we should also wait

till all the facts come out about this. - I'd agree. - That's after reading it once more through and thinking, what other, back, I don't know. - You was pushed out?

- Yeah. - It kind of weird move. - Yeah.

“- I would say very weird move to jump out of an airplane?”

- Yeah. - Six thousand feet in the air. - But I guess, we'll find out more. - Okay, but great, hey, great teacher. - Yeah, great teacher. - Well, what was your great teacher?

- Yeah. - Would you have any others? - Pupunk. If you're in Pawtucket, Pawtucket Rhode Island tonight, come on out.

The Met is the name of the bar. We're playing that. In conjunction with Barsal Classic, so myself, Frankie, Robbie, Caroline, Roan, Nick. We're all gonna be out there playing for about two hours,

I think, starting at eight. So if you're in Pawtucket, I'm gonna be there Monday night. I'm actually on my way there right now, if you're listening to sound of my voice.

- Nice. - I'm going to Pawtucket before, I hear it's lovely. - Love that. - Good luck.

- Thank you. All right, my who's back three years, I got a couple as well.

First is, friend of the program,

all-time AWL, Marty Fish for running the American Century Championship. Dominant fashion. Marty Fish for people though, and we had him on the show last year, he's awesome dude.

Just like one of those guys that everyone wants to be friends with, he's the nicest guy. He might have like sneaky, top 10 life going, because we go to this American Century Championship every year. And thank you so much to everyone who hosts us there

and lets us use the space and get some great interviews. We love the Tahoe, we love the tournament, everything. Every single athlete wants to play golf with Marty Fish. - Yeah. - He is like the bell of the ball

because he's so good at golf, and he's such a great dude. He's got it mate. Like Steph Curry just wants to go play with Marty Fish. I saw people who were like,

"Oh yeah, I played with Marty Fish. "It was awesome because Marty Fish is awesome." So golf game, like you can get you far. - How close is he to being pro-level like? - I mean, they talked about it last year.

He was said when he was like a kid if he had not chosen tennis shows and golf, like maybe he could have eventually gotten there, but. - So we got the white lab coat.

“I think that's a new addition this year.”

- And he's the four times he's won it three times. So 2020, 2020, four, 20, 20, six. - Decent unbelievable. - Yeah, and he dominated today. So yeah, he was awesome.

Yeah, Romo finish, what do you finish? Sixth. - Yep. - And Joe Pavelsky. - Steph Curry were rounded up at top three.

- Oh, let's see Steph Curry. And Del Curry had a good showing too. - Yeah. - Another Marty Fish fun fact. He has a free Wimble didn't take it's for life now.

- What, he finished, he made it to the quarter finals and his playing career. So he just gets free Wimble.

- That's awesome.

- That does rock. - Yeah.

- I'm telling you, he was telling us so

“'cause we were hanging out with him this week.”

And he was just like, yeah, I golfed with that guy. I golfed that guy. I like he just, everyone wants to golf with him 'cause he's the man. He's not only great at golf, but he's also the man.

- So congrats in. All right, my other who's back. - Came in last. - Miles Miller withdrew John O'Hurley, who is, I believe, is that Peter Mann?

- Yes, Peter Mann from the side of it. - Yeah. - Sorry, John O'Hurley, you stink dude. - Hey, congrats to Rich Eisen though for John O'Hurley. - Yeah, you beat John O'Hurley.

- He's got a great, John O'Hurley got great hair. So, would you rather have great, if you're 71 years old, if you have a great hair, a great golf game. I think you'd rather have great hair.

- Yeah, 71.

- So that's just a nice spin zone for John O'Hurley.

My other who's back is James Dolan because he has, they have leaked the labels for the VIPs at MSG. Did you see this, memes? See some of the people?

- I do not. I'll just run through a few, and Zack, tell me if you recognize any of these people, a boogie with Tahoodi is high-risk. - That was a famous rapper, yes.

- Okay, Adam Polly, do not host. I don't know why that happened. Low-risk for Ben Stiller, for Ben St. Boone. The baby got a high-risk. Emily Green got an LGBTQIA.

This is just, there's like a person's gay. - They're just like gay, yeah. (laughs) - The gay. I think Ricky Martin also got gay,

and then Lil T.J. Ban from MSG, it's just, he has a list of like 40,000 people. I love that Ricky Martin was on the list, and it just says gay. Yeah, 400 celebrities, and he's got a,

yeah, 40,000 person VIP database. So high-risk, low-risk, no-risk, gay. I love it, those are the tags he's got 'em. And my last news back is the 50/50 raffle, because on Monday, not this Monday,

but July 20th, I am getting my big check at rigley, and on top of that, if you are in the Chicago area, you wanna go to a Cubs game. We are, I've convinced the Cubs in honor of my big check day for winning the 50/50 for a one-day only,

we're running a 51/49 raffle, so 51 to the winner. I initially said, can we just do like a 99/1, and they're like, I don't think so. But I was like, you know what, I'll send 51/49. I'm also gonna be selling some tickets.

Maybe even Zach will be selling some tickets too. So if you're going to a Cubs game, you can buy 'em online as well. 49 is going to charity, 51 is going to the winner, it's going to be a one-day raffle.

So if you're thinking about, you can buy 'em online, buy 'em in person. It's gonna be awesome, let's get the pot up, nice and large. I'm gonna be obviously buying a lot, trying to win on my own day,

but 50/50 raffles back. Gubs5050.com, if you wanna buy it on Monday. It's one-day raffles, not gonna be a roll over. One win of that, end of the game, 51/49. Zach, your who's back.

I've got two quick who's back this week.

First one's gonna be a 10-day raise.

“You guys see the rendering as I came out for the new forever home in 2029?”

When you see forever home, it seems like they're being put down. Oh, they're not getting put down, just new stadium that they say they may stay in forever. Okay. They may stay in forever.

They call it forever home. It does sound more like a interview of days type situation, right? Shout out Evan Longoria, got his number retired. Oh, big shout out, should I have.

I said this is the new, it's got 60% windows all the way through. Oh, this is pretty cool. That's nice, yeah. You get to be outside, but not have to deal with being inside. Is it a tank, is it aquarium?

I think upgraded stingray touch tank, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, that rocks. One thing I love about these stadium renderings is when they show the hypothetical score of the hypothetical game in like the backgrounds

of the Easter egg. Why do they have the raise beating the cubs? Seven to one. Like, don't you guys have rivals? You just pick somebody neutral?

Yeah, no, you can't do a neutral thing. You got to go after like whoever your biggest rival is. Who would the raise say is their biggest rival? Probably a piece. Probably a dugout and it might be the Yankees.

Yeah, they would probably do one count. But then the Yankees would just be like, we don't think about you at all. OK, but on the flip side, PFT, it looks like I didn't go through scour

“the renderings, but remember, I think the raise released a rendering last year or”

the year before and they accidentally put a wander franko jersey in it. That's true. So they got that out. They've done that better. They got that out.

They should, I mean, when it's Tampa, known for. Um, big tits, steroids, wrestlers. Yeah, there should be a like a WWE slash strip club section. Yeah, in this renderer. That would be cool.

That would be really cool. All right, cool, cool stadium. And then we went into a white short. So they're going to say, Pete, take the bridge anymore. Oh, yeah, how far away are you from Tampa Bay?

From Tampa Bay, probably 35 minutes east.

Now, how far are you from this stadium?

That's right, it's what you're probably like with if it's a game day, probably 45 minutes 50 minutes. Oh, so they went away from you? Well, they went closer, but on game day, like to get there usually 35 minutes, but if it's maybe if there's, there's traffic because of a game extra 15 extra, but they went, they were

“all the way west, because you have to in Tampa, you take the bridge to get into Saint”

Pete. So now they're like, all right, let's not do that. Let's go to West Shore. So they moved more east. Got it.

It'd be like an hour 10 if we were to go through. They moved more east, but they're on the west shore. Yes. Got it. All right, good for the race.

And then, yeah, honestly, looks pretty cool, 29 coming up soon. Are you going to get into baseball? All right, I mean, there's hopped with the ALEs right now, I know you guys said they didn't really count for much, but. No, it's counting.

But I'm saying you're, because like, you're not a big baseball guy. I thought about getting in. Yeah. So you're not, the ABS got me. The pitch count got me a couple of years ago, the ABS got me this year a little bit.

You like to take knowledge. Play off. Play off baseball is the best. There's just a lot of games. Like just so many games, guys.

But I, I think you're not, you're not, you're not October guy. I'm playing with it.

“I like you just, because I think we had this exact conversation two months ago when”

I took your first comes game and I was like, you baseball guy, you're like, I'm thinking

about it. Yeah, I'm still thinking. Yeah, that was a big swing as well. It's thinking about it. Okay.

And then second one is stream. We've got streams coming up this week. So yeah, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday. Yeah. So Thursday, Monday, Wednesday, you're playing, right?

Yes, sir. Thursday, I'm playing with you. That's correct. We're going to get some Doug streams going, hopefully some Doug wins on Thursday. Thursday, Thursday, Thursday, Thursday will be Doug streams.

Wednesday, Thursday. Okay. So Wednesday, after the act Thursday, Thursday, I'm up. Okay. What are you going to play tomorrow?

I don't know. What's the new version? FC. So, so my FC 26 games try to see if we can get a, who's going to win the World Cup. That's fun.

I want to head to head. You sure. Should be a good time. Love that. Okay.

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We are here at the American Century Championship. It is Tony Romo, who is maybe going to win this tournament. We start with the golf. We got a lot to get to. I'll be very excited that you're here.

I'm excited to be here. You guys kill it. So the joy you provide me and all the other reckless friends I have.

It's fantastic.

Okay, well then let's start with that.

The joy we provide you and your friends, are we? Do they ever text you being like, hey, they're bashing, they're bashing Tony again, like we're doing the noises. Because we do do the noises. I'm okay with it.

You like, can you do that? You go with the noises. It's been a long time since I've taken offense to people. I love that. Maybe this is a win right now, like right away, like where I was just saying what's your favorite

noise.

“I think what I get most of the time, like out here this week, it'll be, here we go, Jim.”

Yeah, I hear that one a lot. That's probably number one. What about the, I don't know Jim, you know what's funny, those are just so natural the time. I'm trying to work them out, but I'm like, it's me.

Yeah. I got to be yourself. I also think that if you put a microphone on both of us as we're watching the game and they showed them. You're like, you're eating something.

We don't. It's hard. Yeah. You're watching the replay. You don't really know.

Yeah. It's, uh, we've been lucky enough to, in, in, in, at Barstil, we had a college football, uh, a bowl game, and we called a couple of basketball games, and so I did, like, I was on the call. I was horrendous at it.

Like, absolutely horrendous to be able to have to fill air to have to be interesting. So, and we're, you know how fast it goes. Yeah. And we're, we definitely, you know, are guilty as charge.

We're very critical of our announcers and what we watch on Sunday as we, but I also know

that it's got, I mean, there's not only somebody good when it's come out in the college. Do you ever, do you ever, like, uh, so you, do you look at any of the feedback ever or you're like, oh, shit. I fucked that one up. No, I mean, you're on air, you know, this, like, since you don't, like, live for three

three and a half hours every week, it's like, you're going to do something probably right. I mean, I, we do more right than wrong, otherwise you wouldn't be in a position you're in, but I think, like, anything you're always going to do something wrong. I just always want, at the back of your brain, you're literally thinking about you guys watching at home and it's like, what would I want?

Like, sometimes they don't talk about something and I'm like, oh, tell me, tell me about that thing. Do you, like, it was that a catch, was that not, was he in balance? What do you think? And it's like, and then deeper than that, it goes into, I want to teach, and I think that's

one of the biggest things was just, I want people to understand why, because there's so much of that that goes into it, like, why did they make this decision? Why did they run the ball on fourth and two? Well, because the numbers in the box, blah, blah, blah, because there's a million things that go into the permutations, but I just feel like that's what people want, and the more

people I talk to, love it, and everything. It's like, I mean, there's a gazillion people come up to you, and they like it. So it's, it's been a really rewarding experience. Yeah. Yeah.

Is there one fan base that you truly hate more than others?

“Because I think every fan base probably thinks that you hate them, right?”

I don't know. I love me when I come in there. There's a lot of fans that like go nuts and stuff, and so for me, I'm just a, I want to build up the game and the players. I know how hard it is to make it there. I remember one of my kids when I'm being like, oh, man, he stinks.

I'm like, son, do you know that guy who's the fourth string corner back? Mm-hmm. How good that guy is? Yeah. He was the best player ever at his high school.

Yeah. And one of the best players ever at his college. Yeah, I'm like, he's unbelievable. It's just he's in a tough spot, he's guarding Tyree Kill from the slot. I'm like, that's a very different experience, but I'm like, don't say that.

I mean, we joke about all the time. Like, we'll call a guy soft while we're sitting on the couch for 12 hours. Eating, you know, chicken wings and ice cream. We're like, oh, how's he not back in the game? Yeah.

Well, you know this, you guys, you watch enough games though. This is where people sometimes are like, well, you're not an expert. I'm like, well, if you watch anything long enough, and you want to know the game, you start to learn it faster. And so you guys have a good enough ability, which is why you guys are successful, too,

because if you guys talked about a bunch of crap that's terrible, then people probably wouldn't love it. So you get to know the game and then you're like, well, someone might not be giving them max effort. I mean, that's one of the biggest things, you know, in the NFL college, wherever,

and even high school, the same way is like, is he giving max effort, is he putting himself on the line? Because that's part of it. You get to be able to do that over and over and over again.

“I was mentioning like, which fan base do you think hates you or you hate the most?”

Because Joe Bach, when he came on the show the first time, that was, like, his reputation

was like, every fan base thought Joe Bach had it out for him because if you're, and it's usually a team that's not very good, and you blame your losses on the guy that's announcing the game. Do you ever get that, like? Yeah, we totally have a huge effect.

Yeah, like if a team that, you do, no, hold on, on the case. Oh, I don't know, Tony, yeah, yeah, I did make a sarcasm. I do joke with Jim about that a lot, I'm like, yeah, well, you did that, Jim. You just said he has not missed a kick this year. Yeah, here we go.

Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. That matter. I also love any time a kicker misses, the go to analysis is like, comparing it to a golf swing

that you had one time. It's like, that looks like my nine hour. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Jim does that because he knows I had a couple of the chipping gifts last year, and he's like,

Yeah, that looks like you're chipping there and I'm like, he missed it, yeah,...

is true. He did. He founded that one.

“The young, yeah, the young way kukik that you just didn't hit the ball.”

Yeah, yeah.

You do want to kick the ball first.

That's actually very good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So golf ball, the football.

Yeah. So we're going to talk about your football career, but one last question about your broadcast and like, you came in, you were, you know, when you're predicting the plays and you're hot out of the gates and it's like, oh, man, this is crazy. You had to adjust now that you've been out of the league for a few years, where it's like,

I got to relearn some things or how does that process where it's like, you got to try to figure out how to these new players, these new schemes, how that all works. Yeah, football is pretty. Once you've done it, your whole life and studied the way I have, I don't think you're going to see anything new.

If you see a new play, they're utilizing something different where they pulled the tackle instead of the guard. But it's 11 people on offense. Only five guys can catch a ball. Five guys have to block.

“It's got to be tipped before they can catch, so you can eliminate them, right?”

So you have five skill position players. The running back will say tight-end, three-wide receivers, 11 personnel, and you sit there, which is one and one, and then you got three receivers. Running back tight-end, three receivers. That's 11 personnel.

Then you sit there and you go, well, the quarterback could technically catch if you did

feel special, let's say, but ultimately there's five guys who can catch it, four guys

are rushing on average. That means there's seven guys behind them that are guarding five. There's only so many ways to do that. So at the end of the day, what we're trying to do is give you a look here, so go over here, so we can go over there.

So if all the defense wants to go on this side, like, hey, there's seven guys, if four of them are on this side of the ball, let's throw it to the three guys side. Right. If four of them go over here, let's throw it to the three men side. And then if they're all deep, let's throw it short.

If they're all shorter, let's throw it deeper. I mean, the game is not rocket science, but when you first start in the NFL, it does feel like, but over it feels like a gazillion years, you start to understand the game is very simple at its course. There's not like a whole bunch of new brand new stuff coming up.

Yeah, I would agree that there's only so much so you can say, I do think though that the NFL has trends that, you know, it abs and flows, it doesn't different directions. And so like the pendulum does start to swing after it, whether it's forced by like the rule changes or it's just the nature of how teams are starting to prepare against other teams.

So like, what have you seen since you've gotten into the league, like, what direction has, what, like, what nutrients do you think have become the, the new, yeah, it's a great question. So there's been multiple over the years. So the first thing would be, let's pretend you're the Patriots in 2003, four, eight,

they're dominating, they're winning super balls. Everyone's going to try and copy you how you draft what you're building because you're winning, you're beating them.

“Then the Seahawks have the best defense, 11, 12ish, I think they came on and then boom.”

So everyone hired their coordinators, they decided we can just play cover three and just decided, I remember going against them being like this, you're just going to play one coverage 90% of the game. That has no chance that I went into Seattle, I think it was 12 and I was like, wow, they're really good and they can actually do it.

What you found though is they changed the rules of cover three, everything that we had understood about it, they changed the rules for the players on defense. The league ended up figuring that out after three or four years, maybe two or three. And then all of a sudden when you tried to do it, then all of a sudden people took advantage of that and so the trends go with the times of who's winning.

So whoever's winning, you want to go ahead and copy that. Your job as a head coach, general manager is to be a head of the curve and understand if I'm the Patriots that are in the 2000s and we were a three, four defense and the whole league starts drafting the big defensive tackle, Vince Will fork right there in the middle. Our job now is big.

We're going to go take that guy. Well if you're drafting 28 to 32 every year, we're going to go ahead and change 043 and get the fast three technique defensive tackle and change our system. That's what the best teams do. They basically evolve because you're not going to get the top three Vince Will fork's coming

out of the draft, but you'll get the top one or two of the other guys. And so there's only so many organizations that are ahead of the curve like that. You see it play out that way, year and year out. Yeah. One of the organizations in your mind that are like doing it at that type of level.

Why think you see them?

They're always in the mix.

Yeah. So I mean that kind of plays out that way. And then you can change it though, it just takes a higher. It takes one guy to come in and teach the stuff I'm talking about and teach the organization higher the right people and all of a sudden you'll find that things will flow the right

way. And a good example would be with the Giants, the higher John Harbaugh. That's going to change and they're going to get good soon. Now next year we'll see, but I'm telling you, when someone knows the game the way he does, been around him a gazillion times, it's just he knows how to build something.

We always talk about culture, all these other things, but I'm like, well, exe...

matter who you hire matters tremendously, whether it's the coordinator, the position coach,

and then who you draft. Well if you get those guys and all aligned, you're going to find your team to be good,

“but you have to have that vision beforehand.”

You got to build something from the ground up, but you already have to know the structure of what you're trying to build. Most people commit and there's going to be them, and I'm like, no, no, no, no. This need to take shape well before we started the office. Right.

Right. You came into an interesting culture when you joined the NFL. So with Bill Parsell's Sean Payton, I don't know if you saw the stories about Sean Payton, they came out of the last couple days. So it's fascinating stuff.

So after he got hired as Broncos had coach, he had an idea that he would hire Bill Bellachek to come in and be the head coach, and he would take a step back to be offensive coordinator at least until Bill could get like the 15 wins, and then Sean Payton would retake over the team. There's a real idea that he had.

He also had an idea in the playoff game against the bills last year to go for it on that fourth and eleven and do a fake pun in overtime from their own territory. The players said no fuck that, we're going to punt the ball because we're not insane.

So Sean is like he's kind of a crazy guy, he's always had like wild ideas and that's

“the environment that you kind of get tossed into, right?”

Was he always that nuts, even back then, like in a good way, like he's obviously football genius, but also he's fucking insane. Well, yeah, when I came into the NFL, Sean was our quarterback coach, Maurice Cartham was our offensive coordinator at the time, but Sean ended up calling plays, and I got to know him really close and so I still know Sean, you know, at this point really, we're

really close. I just feel like Bill Parcell is kind of the standard for the way that we think in a lot of ways. He taught me and Sean so much about the game that your standard model kind of goes back to that, and everyone has to have that, right? This is like what we believe in, and

I feel like Sean is, you know, when Bona Nick's got hurt before the championship game, conference championship game, he comes into the media room, I think you read it, probably I'm guessing they put it in an article, you know, it was an article or a video, but I bet they talked about it at some point where he comes in and I guarantee he came from Parcells where he says, I'm not worried about Stitty, I'm worried about the rest of you guys,

and I'm like, well, Parcells did that in the '80s or '90s with Jeff Hostellar, and I'm like, this is just what you believe in, and then you start to follow this. Some people might say it's a little bit, would you call it Nuts or whatever, he's a fucking insane man,

“but there's a Methodist madness, and energy matters, he brings it every day, I think he's”

very intelligent, I think the other part that people don't fully understand is that you're taking the data from your players consistently. If you don't, then you're not really that good of a coach, because they're on the field, especially if you have a veteran, anybody's been through it. If I ask that, you know, if I ask Zach Martin, and he's in, let's pretend, year eight, and I'm sitting there who's one of the best guards and NFL

history, which I didn't play with at the time, because I only got him for a year or two, but if I asked him, I'd be like, hey, are they running stunts or what are they doing over there? Well, they're doing this in bubble, I'd be an idiot as a coach not to listen to them. So the idea is, I think Sean probably takes part of that advice, but you're not deciding, I'm going to do it because they said that, you just take it into your bank

and your brand and you sit there and you go, all right, I'll take that into account, and then I'll do the deductive reasoning, and then this is what I'm going to do. But I think you'd rather have a Sean Peyton than a lot of other coaches, I can tell you that. Yeah, no, I mean, all credit to me, he's proven to be an awesome coach, he just has insane ideas, like the on-site kick. I think he's very honest. Yeah, I think he talks to the media and I think a lot

of people aren't. Yeah, so I mean, I think a lot of people try and hold it close to the vest, and so I think it's appreciative if I wasn't your guys. Oh, no, I love the guy, but

like I'm just saying like the aggressiveness sometimes, he's just always full gas the on-site

kick and Super Bowl, another example of like he will go for it. When a lot of other coaches might be too afraid to do that, they might be afraid. Yeah, so and then not scared of the Monday morning quarterback, but people are going to say no, which actually is like a huge chance because I feel like there's a lot of coaches that are thinking, looking over their shoulder, it's the coaches that have the security of like, hey, I know I'm not getting fired. I can

just coach whatever the best is for this situation. Well, I think you're more aggressive when you're actually safe. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, if you have skins on the wall, then you're like, I'm not getting fired, but not everybody has that. I mean, think about all the turnover on the coaches in the NFL, the last two, three years. It's crazy.

At the same time, I'm like, I think those guys are going to risk and to be like,

if it works, you're hero, if it doesn't, you're the reason we lost. Right. And I'm like, you got to have the guts. You got to go, you know, the old play to win the game. Yeah, yeah, like that's a true thing, but not everyone really does that. Yeah, so you're the start of your career, you're wish on paid, you're with Bill Parcells of the Cowboys. You're

not like a first round draft picking out this girl that guy. Yeah. So close to that. Almost

drafted. Was there was there a moment, though, where you're like, hey, I actually belong.

“And I think I can do this. And I think this is actually, I'm going to be able to stick.”

I'm not just here to be a backup forever and hope to hang on on rosters and training camps like I can do this. That's a good question. I think. I haven't said it many times, but, or ever, maybe, but I remember everyone told me, because I was undrafted to come out Eastern Illinois. And I come into OTAs, Ricky Camp, and then you go to OTAs where the veterans come in and we're all there. And there's a dig route on my right, which is about a 15 to 17

yard route by the outside receiver. We'll call it a single three by one. So three guys draw line through the ball. Three receivers over your member. Five guys in catch ball. Three are on that side. One's over there and then there's a running back here. So three by one, we call it. He's going to run a dig route 15 to 17 yards. Well, you're going to have a linebacker and cover two running backs going to go up about four yards, stand there, and that linebacker

and cover two. He has hope to curl area. So he's got to go here to here. He's either

“going to come down and take the running back or he's going to stay back on the dig. And I remember”

he kind of hung there for a while. And I'm like, that window is wide open. But I got to move him. And this is like the third pass I've done in team, 11 on 11. And I drop back and I'm looking. So I go like this to pretend to throw the running back and he moves. And I throw it. It was perfect timing. It was so well executed, other than the five yards I over through there. But everything else was so beautiful. But I remember going back

in. I was so disappointed with the throw because I did that, but I had not worked on the footwork, the technique to be able to move that and then throw there. And then all of a sudden I go back and look in the other quarterbacks, waited until he was almost passed them. Then they threw it, where the next guy's getting hit close. I threw it about four yards before

the red after the cut. So I was ready to go. It was natural to me. So I always feel like

I tell, you know, my kids sometimes, I'm like, that was just given to me. The Lord gifted me with the ability, just to see it faster. But I was a horrendous thrower of the football. And that's why I would miss all these things when I was young. And then eventually I got really good at throwing. But that was the first time I went. I did throw that when I felt like it was on time. But everyone told me the game so fast, but it didn't feel fast for

“me. And that's what made me feel like I think I can do this.”

Wow, so it was actually a incompletion that was like, yeah. Oh yeah, it was a horrendous thing. Yeah. But yet throwing a guy open, like we taught. That's exactly right all the time, like those are the best quarterbacks. So that was the moment where like, oh, I actually belong. And was there a moment then after that, where your coaches were like, hey, this guy actually belongs? There's a couple of huge moments in my career. I think one of the biggest

ones that, you know, I know not many people do, but is Seattle preseason game going into my fourth year. Now I'm going into, it's like going to college, right? Your one freshman sophomore junior senior year. I'm going into my fourth year. And I still have yet to play like a down. And I've been improving and throwing the ball better. And my instincts will eventually carry me a little bit with the, you know, ability to throw a football. And then

all of a sudden the knowledge that's where you can become good when they all meet. But they started me in a preseason game, which is rare. Andrew Bloodsoe, who's a great quarterback, number one draft pick. And he could throw a football incredibly well. He's there and

they said, hey, we're going to start Tony in the first or second preseason game at Seattle.

We're all the starters are playing. And that was huge. And I remember going like, okay, you know right then as an undrafted free agent, you don't get 10 chances at this. You get one, maybe two. And so that was my opportunity. And, you know, Seattle's really loud. And I went out there. And my kids put up the game probably last year or something to like that this is the first time you started in the preseason here and the boys are showing me.

And I was like, oh my gosh, I was actually decent a little bit. You forget about it sometimes. But it was fun to watch because it was like, I'm about to get hit back shoulder over here.

I slipped here, fired it there.

you had things went your way. And I went, I don't know, 18 for 20 in the first half or

“200 yards. Let's say. And I think that was the first time the coaches to your question.”

We're like, they wanted to test me in an environment that stuff with the starters against the starters where everyone back then was really playing. And I performed. And I think that's probably why you know, seven games later they end up putting me in because I think they believed to me. Yeah. Was that was that weird at all between you and Drew? Like, especially considering what Drew went through in New England? I wouldn't say it was weird.

I mean, I actually really felt for Drew because I you never want anybody else to.

Like, we're all competitors. We want to play. Drew wants to play. I want to play. I mean, they brought in Drew Henson when I was there who was like, right, would have been the number one pick if he came out. But he went and played baseball. So they brought him in in my second year. And so we're all competing, but you're also with each other every day. And you're like, they're just really good guys. So you can't really, you don't ever

root against somebody who's like a good dude. If you're in a hole, maybe it would be easier. But you were bringing them breakfast sandwiches, right? Every Friday. I had to do everything. Remember Larry Allen, Ramo, my crown. I'll get it before the plane. It's part of the process.

Yeah. And so when they put you in at halftime, you come in first throw didn't go so well.

Right. So, uh, giants got picked off. And then that could have made somebody crumbly mentally.

“I think like that's a, you're, you're probably at a deep hole. If you don't have full faith in”

yourself and a true belief that you can do it. So what happened on the sidelines after that interception to get you to bounce back? You probably saw it. I think for a salesman to met, we met me halfway on the field when I was walking off. But uh, that's one of the, there's like three moments that are just like, you can't breathe, right? Really, too, probably. Seattle that game was probably his biggest game as I ever played in for my career trajectory was that preseason game.

And no one talks about that one because it's like, it's a preseason game. But that put in the mind of the coaches that he's got something. We believe that he could actually be a starter.

The second one is, I'm coming in. It's halftime of, I think Monday night football.

And your point, there's going to have an easy boot leg. Fake it, turn, throw to the flat, get them started. You know, like everyone would do for a young guy. Well, I remember walking out on the field, the crowd goes nuts. I couldn't breathe. It was like cotton mouth. And you're like, play, double right. Sorry, I form right. It's a boot leg right. Let's go, here we go. Just do your job. I come out, throw it. Michael Strahan, I believe, is on the edge.

Tips the ball. I think Antonio Pierce intercepted it. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Tackle him is like, what just happened? I threw it in yourception first pass.

“Then you have to come back out and play. Well, let's just say that half was”

everything you could possibly do in a half of a ball I did. I think that there were 280 yards and a half. I threw five touchdowns, three to the other team. Two to mine. That was smart that you did that in your first game because then everybody was like, smart. You're gunslinger. You got the gunslinger. Yeah, but we're like, when backups get in, like, and they're just like, dinking and dunking, you're like, all right, this guy's not going to

put gunslinger ceiling. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't really think about immediate branding as a gunslinger. That will extend your number. Yeah. Well, I wasn't thinking about extending the crew. I was just trying to like do my job at the time, but you were gunslinger. Yeah, week was huge because I wasn't trying to gunslinger. I was just trying to do the right thing. The problem was it was just in you. Yeah. Right. That's exactly where you're making gunslinger. You're a gunslinger. Yeah.

You're a gunslinger by birth. The guys that try to be gunslinger. You know that they're not actual gunslingers. Yeah. Gunslingers don't. They're not like, oh, man. I'm going to go gunsling. They just get out there and they just start whipping it. That's because I didn't know the game. It was literally like, you feel something to do it. And then when you get older, you're like, four guys over here, three guys over here. Where's the leverage? And so it's funny how when you're young, you're just like

feeling it. Then when you get older, it's systematic. Yeah, just with the numbers leverage angles. And then you know what's possible, what's not. And then you, I'm just saying the game goes to putty different. Whereas when you're younger, like, oh, make a miss. Yeah. It's like, you really throw it through them. But it's funny because the next week, after that game, I was so erratic. We lost that the coach is all had to go do a

Marcel's did this. He brought every coach in there. And they're all sitting there and they said,

I want everyone to vote.

people know this story. But see, it brings in every coach. So let's say there's 15 votes. And he goes, for doing this, we're all in this together. We're going to vote. Is it blood so or is it rummo? And choose a great quarterback. Like, honestly, like, if Brady didn't come

“along, he'd maybe still be playing. But the truth is, that day right there, I think”

parcels knew what he wanted, but he wanted all the coaches of ice. But I think he already went in and probably asked each guy. Yeah. I'm just saying, I don't know which will. I think Bill knew already. He's like, I'm not voting you guys are voting. Here we go. Let's see. And whatever it ends up, we'll do. And we'll do it together as a team. His coach is right. And I'm like, that's not parcels. He knows what he's doing. I feel like he wanted to each office and probably

did. I don't know that factually. But was it unanimous? So it goes through. And who's he saved for last in the vote? The assistant quarterback coach who I go out and, you know, I go to practice every day and you're desperate to get better. And so I'd call him up. Can you come up out through 9, 10, 11 o'clock at night? So I'd be up there. So you go to practice all day and then I go throw until midnight. You know, in the bubble and then come back and do the same thing over and over

because he's just wanted to improve. And I'm like, so he saved the one guy when it's like 7 to 7. And the last guy is the guy who I work with every single day. And I'm like, I have a feeling that parcels knew how the vote was going to turn out. But ended up being me barely. And then, and this is all second hand, right, from the coaches and people that I knew. Now I'm starting in Carolina. And now I know my careers on the line. Because the next week I'm like, you ain't getting

that it was already a vote. You're not getting another vote. This is it. Yeah. It's like he's either

if he doesn't perform this week. This is why I tell there's always so many opportunities. But there

are times where it's like, this is it. And so that's the biggest game I've ever played in other than Seattle. I would say to start the process. And then we ended up winning. I played good. I remember

“John Madden, Al Michael's who were doing the game. I mean, that's like surreal to you, right?”

Like that was such a huge moment. I could still picture. It's like a joyful thing for me just thinking about it. Did you know, did you find out when did you find out who voted which way? And did you ever stick a 10 years later? Okay. You didn't. So you didn't know like maybe the next year and be like, I know you voted for blood. Oh, yeah, I did. That's some point. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I know he's like, yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. I forget. I said, it's very good about two, right? Let's be honest.

Jericho overruled the entire not the sea. Oh, he could have, yeah. Jericho always has final. Yeah. Jericho always has

one both amazing. Yeah. And I love Jericho. He's like family. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. John's well. All right. I got a deep cut question for you. I don't want to deep cut. Well, it's it's something that you probably have completely erased from your memory in life, but it's stuck with me for so many years that I finally am so happy. I can actually ask you this question. I like it. You did a pizza commercial. Oh, my gosh. Okay. Yeah. You're wearing a blank blue hat.

I almost worked today. Do you still have that hat? You, I was I do. So you, so that's actually the hat because I was just obsessed with the fact that you would pop up at a Duke basketball game.

“I'm like, that motherfucker's wearing the free commercial hat. Was that the same hat?”

This is crazy. He says, you're the first one. I got to give you a pound. Yeah. Do it. It would try to be nuts. I was like, Tony Romo got a free hat for a commercial and then he wore it every day after. That was the hat. Was it? I remember this. It's so funny. No, it's ever brought this up to me. This is nuts. You're, you're brilliant, Big Cat. Where is your brain go to? I don't know. I just was like crazy. I was like, well, Tony admit that he

got a free hat. He's right. He's now wearing it. He's not wrong. I remember sitting there

and every time he wore a hat, there's always something on it. Right. Right. And my brother in

Laude Chase would bring up. He'd be like, I feel like you started the no logo hat and I was like, well, I don't think I started it, but I definitely wore it a lot. Yeah. And then I'm like, I could start the no logo hat. You're right. That's so true. But it did start at the pizza. So it was the pizza commercial. So they hand you a half a wardrobe because you can't have a logo in a commercial. And then you just wore that hat that's a, he's 100% right. Do you still have

the hat? 100%. It's the, is it the same hat? It's the same hat. That's crazy. That hat never does. Can we, can we have that? I mean, it's probably to wear it on the tournament. I would love to see that hat. I'm happy it's doing well. It's blue. I have it. Yes, I have it. I have the picture of you at the, at the game at like a duet basketball game. I think I brought it. I feel like you walked forward for that picture. Yeah. That's you in the hat. I, every time we pop up, I'm like,

tell you, we're almost wearing the free pizza on commercial. You're also wearing a official team photo sometimes, right? Like at the start of the year, just a headshot. You're like, like, put that hat. I wear it a lot. The bats. You're great hat. What's your all-famous hat?

Were you like your USA hat?

were you the, the patient zero for Colin Coward's take that quarterback,

“shouldn't wear their hats backwards? I think I was probably one of the ones. I, that was actually”

one of the biggest things when I was young that I remember an old man coming up to me one time being like, go where you had backwards. I was like, I didn't know that was the thing. I was like, I, it just felt like that was the cool thing at the time. If I knew that that was the thing, I probably wouldn't do that, but at the same time I'm like, well, you've got to be you. I mean, you guys are here because you're you. Yeah. Do you think though that, uh, quarterback

backwards? Well, you can put them back. Well, no, because we're winning podcasts. Yeah, we're capital J journal. Right. We're leaders. We're losing some men. So do you think that watches there? Do you think there's ever a moment where you wore your hat backwards? And you're like, hey, I'm not doing a good job leaving the team. I don't think I ever felt that way. Okay. Just remember

a guy coming up one time and someone telling me about that. There's always journalists, you know,

when you grew up and you're going through the phase, people write things, say things, and you care. When you're young, you were like, what? I didn't know that was a thing. When you get older,

“you're like, y'all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think life's going to be okay. Yeah.”

What would Bob maybe the biggest compliment that any journalist ever paid you in your entire life? I hope you know this one. Uh, Peter King from Sports Illustrated. Love Peter. He said, uh, Tony Romo. He leads the league in smiles. How about that? I didn't hear. I haven't seen that one. That was a stat that Peter King invented one year. It just stuck with me forever. And I thought to myself, if I, if I was an NFL quarterback, I probably wouldn't want to be known for that as like

my thing is. If you're winning, if you're winning, it's good. I don't think I led the league in smiles losing because I was, those are, that's part of announcing. I'm like, you know how hard of this when you lose. I mean, it's like your family, you, it's a horrendous week. And so I know that part of it where it's like, that week either is going to be awesome or horrendous. For you, your wife, kids, your parents, I mean, it's so winter lose. It's crazy how much that affects just

the way that you feel emotionally, mentally. And your job as you get older is to try and obviously

“your, suppress that and just make it be like move on to the next. But the truth is, like when you're”

young, you can't really do that. It's like you're either great or you're terrible. There is no in between. And I feel like that's one of the great things about the sport is like it matters. Yeah. It matters to all these people so much. And by the way, when you lose too much, you not only affect your life, you affect every one of those coaches' lives. They're going to be gone. Their families are going to move. The kids are going to move schools. Like, there's a lot

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chemical. So when you got into the league, Dan Campbell was on that team, right? On that cowboy's team as a tight end. What was he like at that age? Was he was he, I don't want to say insane again,

like with Sean Pable like, was he always Dan Campbell? Oh, Dan's not changed. Yeah. One I

wrote up. Dan was the guy I looked up to in so many ways when I got there. I mean, he might be the only guy I have ever seen. Who is a captain of the team and he wasn't the starter. Like truly. Right. And I'm like 'cause Jason Witton's incredible. But Dan was voted captain and you're like, well, Witton's unbelievable. But Dan's work ethic. But he was the cool guy. Like, I'm not joking. Like, I just wanted to be around Dan. So I was the young kid who's trying to make

the team, made the team and I'm like, what are you doing Dan? I'll just hang around you. And so I went out with Dan one night and it was great. And if you look at my hand right here, we still have some memories from that night because he's sitting there and he's randomly smoking a sig one night and he's like, I'll tell you one thing, Rumble, come here. And he goes, shred of my hand. And I was like, oh, what are you doing? He's like, isn't that funny? That's crazy. All right, let's go.

We gotta go.

so it's Dan. So it's cool. Yeah. So that kind of just love him. He's the ultimate culture created.

Right. Yeah. That's Dan. He is a leader of men. Like, I've never seen before. So he kind of

ties into another question. So him as a backup tight end and he's naturally a true alpha in that locker room. 100%. A quarter back. Like, is it possible for a good quarterback to lead a team and not have that alpha personality if there's like a bigger one in the room? If you had a Dan Campbell, it's like, well, it might be what's to do about that. Yeah. You 100% can lead. I've seen 20 different versions of quarterbacks leading a team from whether it's communication,

whether it's work ethic, whether it's quite confidence. I mean, there's a lot of different ways to do it.

“I mean, you don't have to be, you have to be an alpha up here. So in other words, you got to know”

that we're going to win. And you got to lay your body on the line. That's a big thing that people don't talk about enough is just lay your body on the line. In other words, I could check this ball down right now and you see older quarterbacks sometimes. They know the game well enough to be like, that's going to take a little while and I'm going to take this shot here. But I'll just check it down and okay, it's like, no, no, I know I can get that off. I'm that digger out of talking about earlier.

But this guy's going to hit me square in the jaw, but that's going to help our team. Bam. Well, that's what it takes. You do that over and over again. You are a leader of the team. It's like sacrificing yourself in your body. And then obviously doing the right things day and day out, work ethic. But you don't have to be the raw raw guy. That's a little bit overrated in some

“ways. But you do have to know the game. Yeah. You have to know the game. You've got to be able to”

teach other guys. Yeah. They got to learn from you. Yeah. And you were a tough, tough football player, like playing with a broken back. You know, like sure that was smart. No, but seriously, like you're like no one ever questioned your toughness. Like you know, it's you're right that like I imagine everyone in the locker rooms like this guy's going to put it on the line. When you do retire, it did feel like you had a little left in the tank. Yeah. Was that a difficult decision where

it's like, hey, I probably can get healthy here and play at a high level for a few more years. Like how did that, how did that all go down? No, you're right. I mean, I really contemplated bread until the end. Because like, I'm not a guy with big, like regrets, I guess you could say, like, not sitting or being like, oh, I regret. I'm like, the only regret, I guess I would have,

is that my job was to bring a Super Bowl to Dallas, and I didn't do it. So that always sticks

with me a little bit because, you know, you give your whole body and heart soul everything into it, and you just wanted that for all the fans for the Joneses for everybody that you're around. And so that that one always sticks with me a little bit just because, you know, I had that opportunity and it just wasn't able to do it. So that part of it kind of still sits there. But at the end, it was like, I could go somewhere else and do it. Because I was like, I got to win a Super Bowl.

I mean, it's literally what you play the game for. Nothing else matters. And it just was like, but with that, be the same. If I went somewhere else and did it. Because at that point, I'd known the game at such high level. Like, my last 25 games, we were pretty successful. One healthy. Right. But I was getting injured more often and body breaks down in some ways

“through the years. And yeah, I think just, it was as simple as it just wouldn't feel as”

important or as, I mean, it would be important to me. But I'm like, it was for the people I was around to call the fans that we had. Was there a moment after your retired, maybe a year or six months where you're like, I feel good today. Like, I woke up feeling bad and it's like, I might give them a call. Give them a call, Jim. Yeah. I think there were times that first year where I was like, and I did get some calls. But it was just like, you know, I had, it was just, you start to move on

and then the body and everything. And then on top of it, it's like, it's still not Dallas. And for me, it's like, the cover was for home. And now I root for so many teams. It's funny because it's like,

I rooted against the NFC East, my whole life. Like, I was always like, we finished a game.

And it'd be like, the giants, commanders, the Eagles, did they lose today. Right. Like, you cheer and everything. And then all of a sudden, you're like, now I'm like, I like that guy. You're like, I like for the people. Like, now I'm like, I like guys on the giants. I mean, I like guys on the Eagles. I like guys on the commanders. Right. So it's like, I root for so many teams because of the people that you meet. And you're like, that guy sells everything out all day long. And I like him.

He's doing it the right way. It's like, I'm a fan of these teams sometimes. And it's like,

I root for him in some ways.

I'm not going to go there. Oh, come on. Just one team. Just make a little, just give us five guesses. Three teams. That call. But there was like a bunch of teams like before then. That's after the season started before then. I really had real decisions to make because teams were like wanting you. But I mean, at the time, it was like, I mean, I actually is a competitor. You're like, somebody wants you, right? And you'd like that at your core. But you're

also like, is that right? Right. It just didn't feel right. I don't know how to explain it. And so even the same thing going back. It's like, I mean, there's been a gazillion. Same thing is like,

I've been offered like head coaching jobs in the NFL. And it's from owners. And that's always

flattering because they know you know the game at a high level. So I'm like, I would try and do a little more of this than that. And they listen to people, their coaches and people every day. So they learn all this stuff. But when you can really get into the nuance of them and tell them certain things that they hadn't heard. And it's like, the game, there's many levels to it. And when

“you know it at that level, you can really teach people. And I think that people that you hire,”

when Andy Reid went to Kansas City, that changes the trajectory of where that organization goes. Yeah. So it's like, you just need to get the right kind of people. Yeah. So now I have to guess what teams offered your head coaching jobs. Browns. They're offered called to Lisa Rice. That's as you had to come up before Connie. No. Cowboys. No. I'm not even going there. But no. No. You kind of went there, though. Yeah. You went there. You went there first.

Tickle does. You're gunsling. This is more about like honestly, the people who are hiring. That is as important a role as who the quarterback is probably the most part. The head coach and

quarterback are the two most important people in the organization. The owner is right there in some ways

because who he hires to be the head coach, then trickles down to who the quarterback will be, who he hires to be the general manager. So it's the hiring that matters. You've got to be able to know what makes the difference and how you're going to build this whole thing. So if you don't have a mapped out plan, organizationally before, it's just random. And then the other teams are going to beat you. All right. You're ready for another. I'm going to give you a compliment that you're,

I guarantee you haven't gotten this one. Okay. Because I remember I wrote a blog about this back of the day. I love the fact that you were probably making like hundreds of millions of dollars. The quarterback true already. Whatever your contract, you know, you mean $20 million, you're the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. And somehow, some way, Tony Romo is vacationing with

“his family. And I believe Noah Noah's arc in the Wisconsin Dells. What a white trash move. And I was”

like tip of the cap. How is this guy here? The Wisconsin Dells. God love it. Is there an ocean casino? Oh, if my, like, it's crazy that you were there. I just remember being like, why Tony Romo is at an indoor water park. Exactly. And Wisconsin, so it's so clean. Congrats so clean. So nothing. None of those kids are there. Yeah, so congrats on that. That was, uh, yeah, did you ever go to cruising Chubbies? Oh, you know this too. Oh, yeah, I know cruising Chubbies. You know the

cheesecake. Yeah. But yes, I always was like damn, that's like just a regular day. Oh, man, this is what we do. Yeah. I'm a tax cab driver these days. I got a 14, 12, and eight-year-old boy. And I'm like, what practices am I going to? Where am I taking them? Go to school, pick them up. You do, it's like, it's a great time in life, but at the same time, it's funny. It's like, I weirdly love it. And at the same time, I'm like, do we need to go in there right now? Can we

wait another 10 minutes before we get in there? Yeah. But the delzer. Yeah, the delzer and credit delzer. So I want to talk about your golf game, too. So it's funny. We had Taylor Trollman on the show and we were asking about like who can win this tournament. Your name came up. And he said, I guarantee you, Ramos, on the range right now, hitting like 700 balls. No joke. We finished the

“interview. I walk out. You're staying there. I think you were the only one there. I wasn't there”

and you have how many how many balls are you hitting a day? Like, you're you're just this obsessed with golf. Well, it's no different than football. It's like you want to be good at something. I mean, it's it's reps. Yeah. And that's the secret to anything. It's I remember I went

after my first year in college. I was a freshman quarterback and I had never taken a drop

five or seven step drop in high school. So I get here and I'm this six string quarterback at Eastern Illinois on a partial scholarship. I get digged about 23, 25% which is a big deal by the way. You just recognize that. That's a big deal. Partial scholarship. I used to know that's hard to get. And I'm there and I remember just missing every throw. So the starting

Receivers as we're in routes on there, they call it.

Next quarterback comes up. He throws the ball and next receiver goes up. He throws the ball and next receiver. So you might find, well, the starters as soon as I get up there, they be like, oh, no, no, no. I'm waiting. Next receiver go up the young guy because my ball will come in like this. They didn't want to break their fingers. Probably pretty smart on their part. But after the first year, Coach calls me in, now it's the evaluation time. Tony, we think you'd be

better off, Coach Spoon. Who was an amazing coach? He goes, I think he'd be better off moving to tight end. And he says this and it's like a shock to your system, right? And you're like, I don't know Spoon. I don't know Spoon. Well done. And I said, I listened to him. He's like, listen, we had a guy, willing him here. He did the same thing when he came in. He ended up being a great time and everything. I was like, it breaks your heart a little bit in some ways. But I was like, Coach,

if you can give me to the spring, because we have spring ball on April. And this is like late November, early December. I'm like, if you can give me to the spring, and if you don't think I've improved,

“then I think maybe we'll entertain that decision. But just give me to the spring. Are you okay with that?”

And if I haven't improved, then we'll talk about that. And you guys, all right, that's fair. We'll do that.

That was the day I literally said, I'm never skipping a day of throwing the football. So every day

and I went for 12 years. And everyone used to be like, hey, you got to rest your arm in the offseason, everything. I'm like, I'm not good enough. I can't rest my arm. I've got to throw. These guys are better than me. I can see him. So I went 12 years. And that all the way through the NFL, that was-- Vacations and everything. Every day. What's the weirdest place you ever said? I got to go throw. My dad came home. He was late from work. It's probably minus five out in Wisconsin.

And it's December the next year, let's say. And I'm like, there's a light on out in the street. And I give my dad so I was ready with throw with me every time I asked him after work. I mean, he worked. He left at 4.35 a.m., get home at five or six. And then he'd be dark, eaten, and then I'd be like, can we throw? And I can remember going out there and I broke his finger. And I remember being really disappointed, but I threw really good that day. So I was like a little bit okay. But my dad,

he's a hero of mine. So that's probably what-- but it was like, I can't skip a day. And then I would throw two times a day, three times a day. But I was just trying to-- I would throw into the pillows in the couch just because I wanted to feel it how it came off. And then eventually you get it.

“And when you get it, the game gets easier. So that's what you're doing with golf. So trying to--”

So how-- I mean, like, you're practicing how many balls did you hit today on the range? I don't know. A couple. Did it come on? A couple thousand? I mean, the idea is, I'll say this, I'm coming into this tournament better than I have been in the last couple of years. I got into the chipping gifts a couple of years ago and it took literally two years to get out of it. And I took lessons from everyone and then talked to everybody.

I mean, you got-- I got shuffle over your speed, tiger. I mean, whoever everybody. And I'm like, I'll take anything. Yeah. What do you got? Are you actually-- because you've played what? I read that you played 500 rounds of Scotty Sheffler, somewhere around there. That was an exaggeration.

I said, oh my god, I've played, but the truth is, I probably played 40 with him back then, not.

I probably played 15 with him this year. Okay. But are you asking him for tips and is it always-- Oh, it's easy. Oh, it's easy. Oh, it's easy. Because it's probably so easy for him. He's pretty good. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, actually good at the game of golf. He's gotten you in more speed to help me tremendously. I'm around that. We'll tell Taurus the same way. These guys, I mean, I've peppered them with questions about it. And I've improved because of them in a lot of ways.

But at the same time, it doesn't always resonate right now. And what I've learned is, what they tell you now may not help right now. But in a year, six months, when all of a sudden something changes in what you're doing, you're like, can you recall that? Now I understand what they're saying.

But it doesn't always work right now, but it might one day if you can actually have the

“recall. So you write everything down, you go back to your notes every day. And it's the only way I figure”

out how to be successful is to just grind and work your butt off. Yeah. Are you the, are you the best former NFL player golfer? Former NFL player golfer. Because we see a lot of hockey players out here. You see some baseball players. A lot of pictures that have been raised off. But don't think I'll just make that move, right? So they're always going on. Yeah. And it's like also the, I just assume their ability to understand like every fine, like, you know, twitch muscle that they're had, like they get and they

like, okay, I know exactly what I went wrong here. Yeah. It's a similar to probably throwing a football.

Well, I think I think the move is like right, they have something in their hand.

And they're going to go ahead and hit another thing. We're in football. It's like it's in our hand. Yeah. So we make it happen. So we're going to go ahead and throw that thing where it's like they have a stick. And they're going to hit another thing. Well, it's moving, I guess you could say, but that allows them to have the right rotation body movement. So usually the best players here are going to be those type of guys. But at the end of the day golf ball doesn't lie.

Yeah. It directly doesn't matter what sport you played. Yeah. Yeah. I'll do respect. This new segment called all do respect. I'll do respect. I'll do respect. I'm a Washington fan. You're what? I'm a Washington commander's Redskins fan. I used to love it when you would throw underceptions. Oh, there's. It was, it made me so happy. I love it. I'm a real fan. I, I'm a real fan. I, for some reason, the interceptions that you would, because you would throw,

you would take chances. And you would really, you would really throw in. I definitely don't. Yeah.

“Do you have a, we, we've asked, I think, Brett far of this. Do you have a favorite interception”

that you ever threw? I do remember. I ended up having back surgery the next day up in Washington. Our season was on the line. Wasn't the last game of your second glass. If we lose, we're out of the

playoffs. And so I'd never played in a game where I was eliminated from playoff contention.

So I was like, that's weird because it's like, if we lose this game, I'm playing in a game next week, where I'm not having a chance to play, that's like weird in your brain. So we're in Washington. And I didn't realize my back discerger I'm going to have the next day. And we're there. And all of a sudden, I moved and I thought it was three yard rub. This guy hits my foot from behind. He's like twist. And it goes searing. And I'm like, oh my god, I go down and I try and throw it

for me to that wall, fly feet behind you. And I could barely get it. I'm like a third down of miles of Austin. It was like, and he's like, what is this ball? And it was like your caught. It gets first down. Everything gets our final drive to the game. And I go down. And they call a play and I'm like, I can't throw that. Like, I could tell. I'm like, no, so here comes an interception coming really soon. Then all of a sudden, games on the line,

your season's on the line. And I sit there. And if I was smarter, I probably wouldn't have played. But I didn't know any better because your season's on the line. So you just play. I roll out right. And Terrence Williams gets behind the corner, like five or 10 yards. He's about 25 yards on field. Which is an easy throw at 35, 40 yards. And I'm like, I don't know if I can do this. But you're like seasons on the line. So you go boom, you're like, oh, I throw it. And he should have

scored. But I underthrew it because I was like, as far as I could throw it. So the corner ends up catching him. But he gets all the way down to like the one yard line. And now I'm like, okay, we're going to win. Coach calls a handoff or we come over the sideline. There's time out. He's like,

what do you think? I'm like throw it on first down. Play action to the flat. I can throw it four yards

to the full back boom. Run it on second down. Play action to get on third down. And then we'll decide if it gets the fourth down. He said, okay, we're going to run it. And then we're going to run it. And then we're going to run it. I was like, this is the one team on earth. I know the system.

“The 11 guys blitz, the let you throw it in. What year is this? Oh gosh, this is 2013. I believe.”

2013. By the way, this story is awesome this time. Romo sounds are coming out. It's really like, the back injury, Romo sounds are. Oh, gosh, this was painful. And it's stupid. Obviously, if I'm being out of the sound, I'm like, don't ever do that anyway, because I'm like, it affects the rest of my life going for it. It ends up going from a herniated disk to a rupture disk, because I play it. And but you know, as a quarterback, it's like you're just adrenaline, you're just like, I'm

going to do it. Our season's on the line. Like, this week six, you might not have. But

first down handoff, stuffed. They sell out all 11 guys or blitzing. No one's trying to cover.

Second down, handoff, stuffed. And I'm like, probably could have thrown any of those. Remember that conversation we had on the sideline. They're down. They're going to run it again. Handoff, stuffed. Nope. Sorry, not stuffed. Goes in, gets stuffed. And then tomorrow runs to the left.

“And I'm like, come on, this isn't the last minute and a half of the game. Goes back, right?”

Then goes backwards, gets tackled at the 10 yard line. Yep. And then all of a sudden, there's a timeout. Coach comes here. He's like, hey, whatever you like, we're up for doing. That's like, oh, it's so funny. Because I liked that fake handoff on first down and go line record, just throw the ball three yards to the guy in the flat. Because you know, they blitz like I said,

Everybody is now they're like, oh, I'm like, thanks.

And I'm like, hey, you got the dig route. I told you earlier with the back. We still just going to read them. But I tell him to go to the flat, Demarco. And I'm going to try and look

“to the dig. It's T-O at the time. I believe. No, it does at the time. And I'm like, I can throw”

to him in the back of the end zone, try and move the defense because they're going to end up being some shell coverage of a cover two is form, which is kind of four two. And I drop back, guy rushes up here. I move up. Pretend pretend. And I'm still trying to throw there. And then I throw to Demarco and I turn him because he's running a flat route. So I turn him this way. So his body has to go. This is running here. He's got to turn back this way. To catch the ball. So you can

get over the line. He scores. We win the game. So that's my best interception in Washington for this guy. That's going. You like that PFT. That's going. He was starting to catch on. He's like, what are you? He's like, wait a second. Yeah. I'm not feeling the interception. No, I thought you were going to talk about, yeah, there's a difference in substance that we had. And I was like, oh, it's like, that one doesn't check out at all. Oh, we also have a

diehard Eagles fan here. Max hates your guts. I like Jeffrey Laurie. I've talked him a million

times. Him and how we are unbelievable. It's one of the organizations that is really well done. Yeah. Max, you got a question for Tony. As if you just say, unfortunately, all the Eagles fans for sure hated, hated your guts. And then when you played there. Absolutely. It would be a disservice. I mean, not to say that. You've got to do it a very nice guy today. You've got to do it for

“the fans. Wait, Tony. Do you have a favorite interception? You threw against the Eagles?”

So my last drive of my career was in Philly. So the only time I played, I think the whole season was 2016. And we rest the starters because we already locked up the number one seed. So we couldn't move the ball. Eagles are fantastic. And I come in and I'm like, okay, we're like in the

second quarter late first. And all of a sudden, we have no like starting offensive linemen, no

starters. I'm like, that's okay. So I come in and it's my literally last drive. The only drive I think I did all year in 2016. It'll be the last drive of my career. And it's third down in eight or something and I throw a strike on a dig, throw a Rob, boom, boom, come down in the last play. And I made up a play on the last one. And I called it a smoking go. So a smoking go is this. A smoke means RPO for the rest of the world. RPO means run pass option. The quarter back

decides to run pass option. Nobody else. The coaches diagram it to say, you're the outside linebacker. Your job is to fit the outside gap right here. Set up. If I hand the ball off, you got to fit there. Well, if he comes running in, that receiver right there can go right there and I can throw behind him. Because he has to defend that zone. You know, let's say he's got hooked a curl or curl the flat. So we're putting him in a bind. He's got two options. So the only

person who knows the quarterback, he's going to set up. Oh, he stayed there. That the guy ran with the ball. Oh, he started coming. I throw it to him, right? Well, the same thing happens single receiver. Remember three by one, cut the line and half through receivers there, running back here. I'm in shotgun. I said, or I'm under center. I'm like, I can hand off or I can throw a smoke. We call it, which is a stand there and turn. So if the corners off 10 yards, you go, so hot, boom, you throw

it to him and he gets five yards. It's a run. So I told him I was like, turns Williams, just stand there, do the smoke and then go. We've heard of hitch and go, curling go, like a double move. But I didn't see him before I've been dying my whole career to do this and it's kind of like, yeah, so I told him I was like, I want you to go ahead and stand there like I'm going to throw right away, boom from under center, if the corners off and then run a go. So I went, said, hot and I pumped and he went

and the corner comes flying down because he's never seen that because no one goes to hot and then runs

and go, right, it would be done. We're at like six, seven-year-long, so hot, boom, I go, bam. He goes and I throw it and I'm like, that's touched on. So when I threw it at his touch down, so that's my best interception. He's don't make any sense. He's aren't, he's aren't, he's aren't

“it. Oh, those are touching. Oh, I didn't understand a difference. Now if you want to brag about”

beating the two times, sorry, you guys. You can get red skins, get in fucking line, buddy, because we sucked at you. Okay, gosh, you have a question. By the way, those two teams right there, they actually gave me some of the worst games I've played. How about that? Yeah, they killed me at times. Yeah,

Right, you guys, we're probably holding a rack probably entirely, John Johnso...

they gave me trouble. Yeah. All right, well Tony, this has been awesome. So I guess that we have a couple last questions. Actually, we've come up in a second, but so we really appreciate you coming on, because like we said, we do, we go after you sometimes. You go after a lot of an answers. Oh, no, are we free to do that? Still? Oh, by all means. Okay, we're going to get a lot of people being like, you made us love Tony Romo, which that is a testament. You coming here and playing ball with us,

like, it's awesome. It's your guys job. It's obviously the fact you guys have gotten to where you're at, shows you your work ethic, testament to what you do in your knowledge of the sport. So far away,

it's always been a compliment. I'm going to be a blow. I think we're also like, we're rascals,

but we're not complete asshole. Right. So yeah, we're going to continue to pull the rascals. We'll put a cherry bomb in your toilet, but we're not going to like run you over with our car. Right. So I'm not going to die. Yeah, I'm exactly exactly. Or exactly. And also if you want to like, yeah, I mean, the sounds, you got to know, you know, when you when you get crazy with the sounds, it's a couple times, I think I've tweaked. I like, I feel like I'm on drugs right now, because I don't

know what just happened. It's a slow mode. When the slow mode's happened, that's when you hit the sound button. And you're just like, I'm actually learning right now. You're teaching me. Yeah. Yeah, I actually are going to try and take that into. I'd actually be bummed out if you stop doing that. I don't know, Jim, that one I want you to keep doing. That one is that one's a what should I stop telling me that?

Well, because no, here's the problem is like, you're right to say, no one knows if it's a catch or not.

“Yeah, we don't have me like, I think I know, but I'm like, is he going to call it that way?”

Yeah, right. And I know this guy's history. And I'm like, I don't know if he's going to call it that way. Yeah, I actually think you should lean into it even more, because then it would be like inside joke between the three of us. That's pretty good. Or you see if you can go, I don't know, Jim, for like 20 seconds. Like just fucking hit it and just like waited our TV's just pretty. If we did that, that's you guys. If I do it for two seconds, if I go for, you know,

yes, yes, all right, Zach, come on up. But seriously, thank you so much Tony. This has been so much fun. Thank you guys. That was that was a robot. Robac question, RHO, BACK dot com, promo code take 20 percent off the first purchase. Cusops, Polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback dot com, promo code take. Let's go Zach. Hold on. Did you just do that like off top of your ass? I've been doing it for a long time. Oh, long time. Do you have to do it? That's not a promo that I've

“ever seen. Do you have to do anything? The ad readers at all, Jim, he asked to do it when it's like 60”

minutes. We switch it up. I just let him do everyone. Yeah. It's hard. It's really smart. It was going on, Tony. I got a quick question for you. I believe in 2006 when you became the starting quarterback of the cab was you were 26. With them being the biggest market in the NFL, was it kind of like just, you pretty much it became the man in the biggest market that they have in the sports or any examples of like maybe moments where that kind of hits you like,

oh, this is bigger than me, but I'm also like kind of the guy in Texas. What was that like? That's a good question, too. I feel like when your world changes like over a month. Like you went from, because when I first started, I was like six in one or something or five in one or six in one. I think it was to start my first seven games in my career. And the one loss, I took us down to win the game and we got a block feel goal that I think the game was tied and then

they blocked it. I was holding, which didn't end up great by the end of the season. At the time, it was Washington actually, Sean Taylor. I think might have been a part of it if Henry serves it, I can't remember specifically, but Troy Vincent that blocked it, Sean Taylor, picked it up. Yes, spaceman. And then there's the face mask. Yeah, then Nick Novak. There he go, PS2.

“Now you're showing off. Stop. I remember that game was awesome. That was a great”

in the game. I thought I let us down to win the game, because then I would have been like seven and I would have started my career, but that was the loss. And if it wasn't for a face mask, while we tackled the guy who blocked it, then they kicked it and made it. We lost, but it was like a good, you know, a bunch of times, you're ticking down a win. But what happens is overnight, your world, your life changes. Like all of a sudden, you're a backup, it was like,

I'm trying to play in the NFL and I am somebody, do you like me, possible wife one day?

And then all of a sudden, you become this thing and life will never be the same after that.

And so it's a great question, because it felt like there's life before then, and then there's life after then. And there's nothing wrong with it. It's just, and I'm so thankful for everything that's happened. Like I said, I wish I'd brought a Super Bowl to Dallas. That would be the one thing I regret that I want to throw the fans. But other than that, it's an incredible moment in my life and time period that made me feel harder to describe, let's say, to my kids, family,

Stuff about how, from January to December, life changes.

Yeah, I guess follow up with those different like timestamps on before and after. Do you

“have, whether it be any advice from 2026 Tony to 2006 Tony? I did this, I think it was a football”

life or something I did, but oh seven, I played in a playoff game against the Giants. And we're against Steve Spagnola, who was defense coordinator. He ran this coverage that was a version of two four. Now I know it like, y'all on. But back then it was like, where's your read start and stuff? And we had to drive at the end. And I threw a couple of balls. I remember when I threw the Patrick on a go-rah. I don't think he thought I was going to throw to him. He said, but I was like,

that was a touchdown possibility when the game there. And it was just didn't work out. And I remember in 2014, we're in the playoffs against the Detroit Lions, sort of the number one seed. Er, sorry, number one defense in the league, which is going to give you problems. And they just hammered Green Bay, who's going to go to the NSC championship game. We're going to lose on the Deskatch the next week after this. But they hammered them that year by like 2030 because it was,

they made it very difficult on quarterbacks. They could pressure the defense had the same structure, everything. Like, like, O7 was spectacular. Like, the rules, which were unique. And I remember walking out there was seven minutes ago in the game, roughly. And we're down, and we need to touch down, take lead. And I remember running out there being like, man, like, I know now what they're going to do. But I was like, I wish I knew in O7 what I know now, in 14, as I'm running out to the

humble. And so fortunate enough to go down and to our touchdown pass and win that game. But that would be the one thing is like, I wish I just had the knowledge someone had taught me a little earlier,

“or something, you know what I mean? Yeah. That's why I'm always trying to do with my kids, just teaching”

things, so they have a little bit knowledge earlier than later. Yeah. All right, well, Tony, thank you so much, man. We really appreciate it. It really is like one of one of the joys we have. We've been doing this podcast for 10 years. It's like, when we can we can bust someone's balls, they come on, and they're like, they have fun with us. You know what I mean? You guys are great.

It really is never. We never try to make it mean spirit. And it's just, it's a testament to you.

You get all the credit for that, because you could easily say, no, fuck those guys. I'm not coming on the show. Well, I might go on forward. We'll see how you guys get that. That's true. That's true. But yeah, you are now a recurring guest. So anytime you want to come on and best a lot this weekend. You guys are awesome. Good job. Tony was all brought to you by Crackin. Today's Mount Rushmore is brought to you by Crackin, the official crypto exchange supporter of the FIFA World

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of guys you want to see ride a horse. Now, we were going to do, I think the prompts, by the way, everyone who sent in Mount Rushmore ideas, the weirder, the better. Thank you for sending him in his act, keep sending him in. The prompt was people you want to see ride a horse. We realized if we did that, it would just be a big, titty competition, which we could do the Mount Rushmore big tits at some other time. We're doing guys. We're doing guys. We're doing guys. Take that

James stolen. Yep. Okay. Who's up first? That will be PFT. And what is the scores?

The score is Big Cat Max and myself at 17, PFT at 16, Hank exact 9. Okay. This is a terrible one-time first pick in. That's okay. Okay. Okay. For the first pick, let's take Guy Fieri. We'd love to see Guy Ryan Norris straight to flavor town. Okay. Yep.

I'm going to be good at it.

Yep. Max is giggling like a... I just can't go. I just can't think it about this guy riding a horse

and it can make me laugh. Yeah. We'd like to see... We'd like to see Donald Trump ride a horse. Yeah. It would be just... I actually don't think he ever would ride a horse, but it would be fun to watch him ride a horse. We tried to look at pictures and there was just a point of view. It just held a straight shit to people. Yeah, look at our horse. Yeah. But they would... We'll just have the head of the head of the head of the head of the head of the

“- I think I'll chop a horse and be so funny.”

- Like seeing him try and jump on top of it. - It'll be so good. - It is so good. - It is suit. - It's a full suit.

- Full suit. - Full tie. - Trump. - I would also take golf atire. - Yeah, or the video of him with tennis time? Now I'd also take that.

- I'm playing this. - Carp breaks down. Sir, we gotta get you out. - Yeah, yeah. - You're on the 14th floor.

- You're on the 14th floor, yeah. - You gotta get on the horse, sir. - Oh, man. - Okay. - All right, we got our one one still just because it would mean

that there was a horse picking up to do it, y'all ming. - Oh, okay. - Okay. - Good pick. Are you funny?

- It's a funny pick. - This is the toughest rock I've lost for all of it. - Everyone's gonna have their top four. - Yeah, we started to do this.

“We got to like 15, we're like, I think we're okay.”

'Cause this is such a specific, whatever you think is funny in the moment. - Okay. Zach? You think one or three hang up?

- I think one. - Ah. - What? - Whatever you think. - Yep.

- Oh, all right.

- All right, yeah, all right, second pick.

We're gonna take James Winson. - Oh, all right. - That's good. - Yeah, that's good. - I could see him riding a horse.

- Yeah, that's a good one. - All right, what do we wanna do? - Did he have the, was that quote about the horse? He had a quote about a horse last year. - Yeah, like pre-game speech.

- Yeah, some horse rides or something. - And the victory for the horse. - The horse is for the horse. - Yeah, that's right. - Boys, what do we wanna do?

- The victory comes from the little horse. - Should we take one or two? - Yeah, I think one just because two he's kind of similar, right? - Yeah, oh.

- What? - No, no, two is similar to something they picked. - I think one is similar to the they picked. - What?

- Are we looking at different numbers here?

- I don't know. - All right, you can make the pick, one or two is fine. - Wait, the similar would be one. - No, he's not, he's not fair. - He's just, all right, we're, we're, we're, okay.

- What do you wanna do, means you make the horse? - I'm cool. - I'm cool. - Do you gotta make it, do you gotta make the decision? - You gotta make a pick, means.

- Shack, okay. -Shack, good pick, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks, shacks

- And did you think about the fucked up one? - Huh? - We can talk about it on a real mentions. - Yeah, we could. - Okay. - I'm gonna go with Wimby.

“- Okay, that was that's what we were going back”

and forth with. - The horse would be very confused. - It was Wimby or Shaq, that's what we were going forth with. - I think the horse would just look, if it was Shaq, it would look at you and be like, what the fuck no, and just sit down like a dog.

If it's Wimby, it would be like, what is this thing? - If Wimby goes back to like, monk school and he's like climbing a horse up a mountain, that would be the greatest video. - Yeah, he could probably like,

you know how you teach kids to ride on bikes where their feet can touch the ground, that would be like Wimby on a horse. Like he's actually able to walk the horse like a Flintstone car.

- Yeah. - Okay, what do we want to do, boys? I like 15, I like 11. - I like 11. - Okay, I like seven as well.

- I like five. Oh man, we're all over the place. - But you both said five two. - I like five two. - I love five.

- I like five seven. - Five, and 11. - I like five seven. - There we go. - Go five and I'll pick the last one.

- We're gonna go Danny DeVito. - Danny DeVito. - No, yep, I had 'em on my last video. - I love that there's a couple that we hit. - Yeah.

- Both that one. - It would be a very funny video. - I had DeVito on here. - Very funny visual. - He was right underneath Wimby.

- Mm-hm. - Or I think there's the leader of Lysack. - Oh no. - It's our pick, right? - Yeah.

- We're gonna go coacho. - Oh, okay. - You pick. - Sure. - I like could see him on it.

- Yeah. - You could see him like running a practice. - Yeah. - We're on a horse, yeah. - Yeah.

- We'll come to the gate of rodeo. - Yeah. - For sure. - Oh, we have two.

- Yeah, you have two.

- Yeah.

- All right, go for the talent for the Prince.

- That's how it works. - What do you think? - Prince. - For sure, he's so confused. - Oh, I thought you were saying Prince.

- You were so confused. - We were so confused. - We were so confused. - Harambe. - No, that's not a guy.

- God, it's not a guy. - What? - You can't do animal on animal? - He's a man. - No.

- I thought about other animals. - Yeah, I did two, but he said, "Guys, it's you, man." - You can't, you can't do another animal. - I'll do another animal. - That would be another actually great.

- Entire animals. - Animals. - We wanted to do sister gene, and then we were like, "Yeah, not a sister gene, this is like shit." And they were like, "Well, kind of nunched, really."

Like, maybe she, you know. - Wait, wait, if you're nunched. - You're just kind of asexual, yeah. - If you're not, if you're not thinking tips. - Yeah, you're just like, you're completely asexual.

- It's like if you're a dude and you're a virgin, are you really a man? - No.

- What's the, if, all right, it's what we're talking about.

- Can I ask you a question? - Zack, you know what I'm not saying? - I don't know. - The accusations you made last week, were, oh, we were talking a big digit dinner?

- No, no, yeah. When you said that I was pandering, and then you guys just try to take Harombay for a guy's on horse draft. - We don't have it.

- I just think that's the, the Lady Doth protests too much. - I'll sit you down. - I'll do a good pick. - Okay. - We'd like to take with our fourth pick.

We're gonna take Frank to take. - Okay, that's a good one. - That's a great pick. - Yeah, that's a great pick. - That's a great pick.

- Frank walks on a horse. - Yeah, that's a great. - That's a great. - All right, what do we, we gotta, we gotta get something for you.

“- I think 7 or 11, 7, I think is, or 15.”

- Oh, oh, 15, oh, 15's also good. - It means, means, I don't feel like 15. - All right, Larry David. - Okay. - Even on a horse should be very funny.

- All right. - It would be very, very upset about everything. - You guys see Larry David, the video of him, they lost his clubs at the American Central Channel. - Didn't really, yeah, he was at the driving range.

He was just walking around. And then Zach, to your credit, he did an interview on NBC Sports, and his alarm was going off. And he, like in the middle of the interview,

I feel it for you there, so I said it, man. - He eats my like often's name. - He does. - What? - He said, how can you have a name like smiley?

(laughing) - It's tough. (laughing) - That is great. - Okay.

- All right. - I got some, it's decision time, right? - Yeah, I'm not, I'm not. - Tough drive. - Here's where I'm at mentally.

I'm looking at my list. And I feel like I've had an okay draft, but then I look at the names that I haven't used yet. And I feel like I might have a better team that I could make out of four names

that I haven't used. - Yeah, we could easily run another honorable mention though. - We definitely could. - All right, so I'm down to two. We should actually do that for an upcoming Mount Rushmore,

where if it's so deep, we do two drafts, and we just add the percentages. - I like that. - That'd be fun. We should pick one that's like so hard.

- We just do a full draft, and then the draft starts. - Last pick. - That's actually a great idea too. We should definitely do that. - No, but then you wouldn't draft your,

your best guy. - I know, but he's saying if it's so deep, we just eliminate the best and then dig deep, but then you're eliminating other people's best too. - Yeah, right.

- All right, my last pick, I'm gonna take big dom. - Big dom on a horse to be honest. - Oh no. - Yeah. - That's a good one.

- How do you partner? - Yeah. - It's good pick. - It's good pick.

“- Max, I think pretty good pick, I'm not a partner.”

I think you're pretty good. - How do you partner works? - Big dom on a horse, like imagine big dom, it rolls up on you on a horse. This is gonna be a wide open boat.

I don't really know. - Yeah. - That's good going. - It doesn't really, like you just can't even, I was thinking about doing Brandon Walker.

- I see what's a horse. - Where? - I think he did a video of rodeo when we had our bold game. - Was he terrified? - I think so.

- Yeah. - All right, so here's who else did you guys have? We had a-- - Paul Revere was his wife. - He had a beer, would've been fun for historical things.

George Washington. - Andre the Giant. - Andre the Giant. - Andre the Giant. - Oh, bordles.

One that we really wanted to pick, we just couldn't get it in. - Tommy LaSorta. - Late stage time. - Yeah, that'd be good.

- It would've been good. - I had Stan Van Gundy. - Yeah. - You'd be hilarious on a horse, I think. - James Gandalfini.

- Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Mike Francis. - Mike Francis.

“- So it would be, oh, that's why you just see that thing.”

- Because I just thought it's Stan Lee and that was like, oh, Mike Francis. - Francis would be great. - Yes. - Oh, yeah.

- Oh, Jay. - Jay. - Jay. - Jay, port Roy. - Jay, port Roy, I don't think I've ever seen Dave.

- Good point, Hank. - Yep. - I don't think I've ever seen Dave on the... - There's a couple of weeks for guys to try and Broncos. (laughs)

- I've never seen Dave on a horse.

- Um, but it would be cool. - It would be, I had him on my list too. - Yeah. - The risler? - The risler?

- You guys have the risler? - No, it's a big mess. - No, we had, there are so many times in our pre-draft meeting,

Where we were like, oh, we gotta use this one.

- Yeah, we gotta use this one.

- risler would be good. - But then you get into it, and it's like with their show and good picks, it's, you can only pick four. - I actually spelled Y-O-W, by the way. - Oh, okay, that's fine, yeah.

- Y-O, yeah, it was the same thing. - I was trying to think of, like any famous baby, before I put a baby up, like baby Jessica. - The crew filled on the well, so Jesus. - Yeah, sure, yeah.

- Yeah, I've, I've, I was trying to get him to do, you mean, little-a-m-all, little-a-m-all, baby... - Oh, my brother. - Yeah. - Yeah, it's fucking taken a little- - Little-a-terio.

- Little-terio would've been great. - It's just funny visual. - Uh, I had Conan O'Brien. Then you'd be flying with his red hair flopping around. - And you got the fucked up one?

- Well, no, in terms of coaches, I like your idea for Coach O'Brien.

“I think Jim Harbaugh in the horse would be all time.”

I would love to see that. - Yeah.

- Did you have the fucked up one?

- Which one? - I don't want to say, it's just saying. - Superman. - Oh yeah, Chris Farieves. - Yeah, yeah. - All right, P. - It's a good bond crane.

- You have a good life? - Yeah. - I think that's a fictional character, right? - But no, if you see him, you're fucked, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - This is like, guys, you don't want to see on the board. - He's a great crane. - George Mirason was, I had Shack, George Mirason, and Wimbee. - Yeah, Wimbee, Shack Andre, the giant.

- Yoke's Jones. - Yoke Azuna. - Yoke's, yeah, he'd be good. - Yoke. - Yoke's, - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yellow we've seen it. - Chris Farley? - Yep, he'd be funny. Andy Reed, I think he'd be funny on the horse.

- Oh, Andy Reed is Andy Reed's a miss. - That's a miss. - That's a miss. - That's a miss. - That's a miss. - He'd be Reed. - He's a really good one. - Yeah. - I had Rob Ford.

- Rob Ford on the horse would be great, yeah. - I just had Hank, a road Hank's name on here. - Okay. - I think that'd be funny. - Andy Reed is probably using his name.

“- Andy Reed, I'm gonna be thinking about it.”

- Andy Reed on a horse, I'm gonna be so funny. - Andy Reed on a horse. - I'm gonna be funny. - I'm gonna be funny. - So far, that's so funny. - That's so funny. (laughing) - The more of it, the more of it, the more of it.

- Andy Reed on a horse. - Yeah. - That is so fucking funny. - Yeah. - God damn it. - Oh. - It would have been, it's with the lion on the horse. - And the shorts probably. - Oh yeah, the shorts.

- Awesome. - The horse's on a horse. - The horse would probably have like a like a Hawaiian themed saddle. - Pist, I've pissed about Andy Reed. - Yeah. - I'm pissed, you didn't take, I, I, people are gonna be thinking,

are gonna be looking at this board and being like, how did no one take Andy Reed? - Yeah, Andy Reed, damn right. - Rick Bajeras. - Yep, that's a good one. - It would be pretty funny.

- Did he be on a horse, it would be pretty funny. - Thank you, the horse's screaming. - Yep. - I'm on a horse baby. (laughing) - Nothing else doesn't matter. - Charles Barkley, 'cause I want to see Charles do everything.

- Yeah, Charles Barkley would be great on a horse. What would your guys pick, if women were included? - City swing, you would that have been one, one? - That'd be great. - Yeah. - Yeah, pretty good.

- No one else. - I think it should be, probably a solid equestrian. - Rosa Parks, Margaret Thatcher. - Rosa Parks on a horse.

(laughing) - What, Helen Keller? - What?

“- Are you just, are you naming all the women you know?”

- We're perfectly, we're part of the horse. - Yeah, we're just Rosa Parks on a horse. - We're part of the horse would Rosa Parks ride on. - Why didn't you say that? - Rosa Parks is part of that horse.

- Why didn't you say that horse? - Oh, Parker. - Oh, Parker. - I want to see how deep Hank go with. - Hi.

- Hank, name is many women as you can name. (laughing) - It's sore, can you answer that? - Okay. - Where did I go?

- Where did I go? - Where did I go? - He said Cindy Sweetie and we said Rosa Parks. - Helen of Troy. - How about Rome?

- I was, well, I was trying to go that, you know, more of like historical. - Yeah. - How long of Troy? - Okay.

- Nice one. (laughing) - Amelia Elhart. (laughing) - That's not as she sounds like a great microbrew.

(laughing) Amelia Elhart? - The bait sisters. - Okay. - It's good less, that's a good four.

- That's a pretty good one. - That's a pretty good one. - Sophie coming in? - Yeah. - Sure.

- Was she at the UFC? - Yep. - She's ring girl. - That was crazy. - Yep.

- All right, that was a fun Mount Rushmore. It made no sense, but I agree with it. - It's not fun, it's not a fun Mount Rushmore and the reason why is because I am going to wake up at the night tonight and think I'm gonna have a dream

about Andy Reed on a stallion. - And it's gonna be the funniest dream I've ever had. I'm gonna wake up. I'm gonna be depressing to help people like walked out of Avatar and they're upset

that the real world is unlike that. I'm gonna wake up from my dream depressed

with the world because I've never seen Andy Reed

actually ride a horse. - Yeah. - We fucked up.

- I'm gonna think about Rosa Parks riding a horse.

- We fucked up, we fucked up. - Andy Reed should have been a pick. - Yeah. - Okay, good show boys.

“By the way, shout out the pop-a-hop charity”

that I went to, I sang the anthem.

I sang the anthem for the first time

and I think five years on Friday night, that's the South Side Charity Mount Creme where they have a softball tournament that is just insane level of softball but they do great work for families affected by cancer.

So pop-a-hop.org, I believe, is the website. It was awesome. Pop-a-hop, daughter, I had a fly over 50. - What was it? - For my anthem.

- What was the fly helicopter? - Oh, that's sick. - Yeah, so, do you know what kind of helicopter was? - I don't, 'cause I was singing the anthem. - Okay, yeah, I should've looked up, but it was sick.

Maybe, maybe Black Hawk? - I don't know. - It was a CPD helicopter. - Okay, gotcha. - Yeah, yeah.

- Okay, any birthdays you missed? - I don't think so unless you guys-- - I mean, you missed one on Friday. - I understand that-- - Well, yeah.

- She's fat and grew up and is not as cool anymore.

- Well, no, I did one birthday on Friday because we're teasing you. - Yeah, we're all right. - Yeah, you could. - Just, you could have said it a lot.

You could have said it, you know. - Moodyang.

“- I did, I think I mentioned Moodyang last week, didn't I?”

- I don't think so. - Okay, yeah, maybe I forgot. - But actually, it's okay because she is not cool. - She's not cute. - No, she's fucking fat.

- Meem said that memes, you did. - Oh, you did mention it when, yeah. - Hippo, the-- - Oh, we talked about it. - Yeah, we talked about it.

- Oh, we talked about it. - Oh, we talked about it. - Oh, we talked about it. - I'll see, you should've even said right then. - I should've said, that's the time.

- That was a perfect Hippo spot.

- Yeah, but-- - That's old Moodyang. That's cute Moodyang. - Also shout out Jessica Simpson. - Yeah.

- Yeah, Jessica Simpson. - Have a birthday. - Okay, let's do numbers. - 27. - 56.

- We're gonna do 42, because some guys said, it's just lucky number at the gas station. - Who hasn't gotten it? Memes, PFT and Colton. - Colton?

- No. - Are they coming in? - I think it's Jacob. - Oh, Jacob. - Now, Jacob's going.

- Are they coming in? Are they coming in? - Yeah. - Let's go 71. - Yeah, there they are.

- 56. - Let's go 64. - 7. - 86. - 80.

(audience cheering) - Go Jacob, go! - 5, 6, 25. - Jacob, 25. - I don't know.

(audience cheering) 73. - 73. - 73. - There we get that.

- Oh, that's 73. - Oh, did that. - I want more. - Colton, what do you have? - Colton, you haven't got it.

- Colton is not gone. - So yeah, it's Colton Memes PFT. - You know, I did it, but whatever. - No, you did it. - No, you did it.

- Don't say that, Memes. - No, you didn't. - No, you didn't. - No, you didn't. (audience cheering)

- Oh, cool. - Zero, again. - That's zero times a week. - Zero. - Dang, that's pretty cool.

- Zero. - Pretty cool. - Happy birthday to Hock Toa. - Oh. - Haley Welsh, remember her?

- Yeah, where's she? - Probably blowing out her candles. - They actually made it come back. - Oh, she did, she made a lot of candles. - All time, all time, all time disappearance.

“Remember, she did that, she scammed people on crypto”

and then she did a Twitter Periscope. And she's like, "All right, I gotta go to bed, "see you guys." - I'm pretty tired now, see you all tomorrow. - Okay, I like that.

Now, enough people say I'm gonna go to bed to get out of accusations fraud. - Okay. - Not a bad trick. So, yeah, happy birthday to her.

- That's the only one? - Have birthday, let me in you mall. - Oh! - Hope score goal on Tuesday, multiple, multiple. - Okay.

Love you guys. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)

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I think he was hurt and then he hurt it even more as soon as the fight started.

We're trying to have to wait and find out.

Are we on fraudlin?

There's no black players that ever play for Argentina.

Yeah.

I've been watching a lot of summer league.

It's going to happen.

It's so scared.

I did a Holland lighthouse.

- That's awesome.

Now, how far are you from this stadium?

It's fantastic.

Yeah, that looks like you're chipping there and I'm like, he missed it, yeah,...

We always talk about culture, all these other things, but I'm like, well, exe...

At the same time, I'm like, I think those guys are going to risk and to be like,

I slipped here, fired it there.

I want everyone to vote.

Were you like your USA hat?

We gotta go.

I root for him in some ways.

Receivers as we're in routes on there, they call it.

Well, I think I think the move is like right, they have something in their hand.

Everybody is now they're like, oh, I'm like, thanks.

Right, you guys, we're probably holding a rack probably entirely, John Johnso...

Stuff about how, from January to December, life changes.

I'm going to be good at it.

- Yeah, you have two.

Where we were like, oh, we gotta use this one.

- I'm gonna think about Rosa Parks riding a horse.

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