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“Why is he ever late, Scott Galloway or is he ever late?”

I'm sorry, she's yelling at me like she's my mother, my Italian mother. Hi everyone, this is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher. Scott is off today and I'm joined by the man who may or may not be running for president. It's Anthony Karimuchi, the mooch lawyer, podguester and founder of Skybridge Capital.

Hello, Anthony. How you doing? All right, I'll stipulate right here on this show. You're my running mate. We're going to go for a car, you and me the day after April falls.

I'm your running mate, let's flip that, strike that, flip that, okay. You want to be the president? Okay, sorry. I'll be your running mate, okay. I'll go to Beard like JD Vance, okay.

Yeah, please don't do that. Hey, emphasis on the word beard, okay, let me talking about that. Anthony, there's so much going on. I just don't even explain people, you put up a fake April fool thing about running for president.

Correct. Yeah, I thought it was fun. I mean, the reaction was sort of crazy, actually. I know, I thought it was real for a second, like why not, given the craziness of this world.

Actually, that's true to them as we could be doing better than we are doing right now.

That's my honesty opinion, but I've never felt that political calling, but my staff made

up that mooch, 2,028 hat, and they said, let's put this out for April falls, I said, okay, you know, I know I had to play the jokes, you know. Yeah, yeah, it was cool. Last year, I wrote that Elon Musk had given me a job at Doge, a lot of people thought that was true.

You know, I don't know people. I didn't think it was cool. I don't think it was cool. I don't think it was cool. It's hard.

I'm a lot. But I, I like it.

“I, I believe it for a second, honestly, I was like, what?”

And I sent it to the staff. I was like, is he running, I mean, again, you never know anyway. Let me stipulate. I'm not running. I'm running for reelection of my marriage.

Yeah. Okay. Howard knows my wife. How's the polling going? I could be term limited.

That's the one problem with my marriage. I'm worried about that. You're wife. Running for rearrangement. My marriage.

My wife has a political platform of castration. Yeah.

Well, not be running for president, but anyway, we're getting into marriages in a second.

But I don't know if you're aware I've taken over time square. Have you seen my, my child, a little force? I love it. I'm going to be coming to your thing and gradual way. Yes.

Take me two billboards. Have you ever been on a billboard? It's very tough. Not that I'm aware of actually, I don't think I've ever been on a billboard. Yeah.

Well, it's very exciting. They're all digital now in time square. As you know, in the old days, they used to be actual billboards. When I was a kid, they had the marble man. Remember he smoked in time square.

Yeah, a little puffs of smoke came out of his, you and I are roughly the same vintage. I. Yeah. I'll share something with you that's obscure, but I'll just tell you how we, how we were raised compared to how the people are being raised now.

I went in March of 1972 at the age of eight to the Godfather premiere with my uncle or

I didn't understand anything about the movie, of course, but I thought it was a cool thing. And when we were waiting outside the theater, I saw the marble man puffing the smoke. Yeah.

We would never do that to our kids now because we helicopter them and we, we shelter them,

but I was watching. I think that's a good helicopter. That feels like a really acceptable helicopter, but everything's digital now. It's quite, it was quite something. All these people sent me pictures of me with them at, you know, and it's like nine feet tall.

It's weird. It's definitely a weird feeling. Well, congratulations. The show looks awesome. I love the, I love the ads on the show, and it's a very topical, lively thing.

And a lot of longevity. Yeah, you know what's cool about that show? Everybody wants that. It doesn't matter what your political stripe is or who you was a person. If you're enjoying this life on planet earth, you want to add a few years.

Yes. Yes, exactly.

Everyone to come together.

That was my whole goal and it's true though. Everyone is asking me, but I do want to, to be for everyone and not just rich people.

“And that was the goal is like what's working, what's ridiculous?”

What did you tell me the other day? You like, there was a whole bunch of stuff that you were doing that I thought was too much. What was it? I think I've learned a little bit about, you know, I have that methyl, methylation, gene defect, where I can't methylate certain vitamins.

Right. That was actually very helpful. So, I took that genetic test and then they gave me different types of vitamins that I'm able to absorb better, that actually lowered my blood pressure car, so that I think does work.

Which ones do you take? Can I ask you? Would you mind telling me what you take methyl guard I assume? That's exactly what I take. Yes, so 70% of the population, according to my doctor, has this genetic issue or they

can't methylate certain vitamins. They do. They do. They do. And so, what that did was it brought down something called homocystine in my blood, which

is an inflammation marker, it makes your kidneys a little bit tense, and so it was creating a little bit of eye blood pressure, and it was creating, you know, a little bit of inflammation in my joints. So, by taking that down, my blood pressure dropped, and it wasn't anything more. And by the way, it's a natural amino acid that they do in that methyl guard that reduces

it. Look, I'm 62. Oh, and I've, I've, I've, I've, I've got the good Italian skin, thank God, but I'm keeping

“it together, but I think that stuff has helped me, and it's not, it's not the, you”

know, I've gone into some life transformation cell and come out of that guy. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not that, but I have taken the genetic.

It's got takes, tries anything that goes by, and he crazy should, that goes by, he's always

like, I'm trying this, and they get, he abandoned it, and stuff like that, anyway, it's an interesting issue, and I want more people to be more healthy. Because actually the number one indicator of longevity is don't be poor, because you don't get the right food, you don't get the right health care, you don't get the right living, it's stressful living conditions, and stuff like that, and that we can help more people

out of poverty, or get them to a level of feeling, not stressed, the health care savings are massive. We're going to live forever. That's what's happening. There, there are certain people on planet earth that don't want you or not to live for

you. I know. I want you to live forever. Thank you. It's mostly a joke, but so speaking of someone like that, Donald Trump says the war in

Iran is nearing completion, but the U.S. will hit Iran extremely hard over the next two to three weeks, bombing the country back to the stone ages, which is just a lovely term. A 90-minute address to the nation on Wednesday night, Trump tried to justify the war, but didn't offer anything new.

It was rambling, it was problematic, and he'd lied a lot. He also downplayed concerns about economic fallout, calling the spike in the gas prices short from increasing, saying the straight of hormones would open up naturally after the war. He said the same thing about COVID, it would end naturally, which really didn't.

He didn't say anything about putting troops there, or falling through on threats to leave NATO. He talks about it, but then doesn't do it. Talk about the speech, because I thought it really was a big flat zero, like if it really was flat, and nobody was paying attention to it in a weird way, although the markets

certainly were. Well, I mean, the speech is about power, okay. So CBS News still in Trump's mind, the Tiffany Network said, hey, no problem. Our reality show that's been on the air for 25 years survivor, we're going to interrupt the programming to bring you this speech.

So it's not just going to be a cable news speech, it would be a network speech. Trump, like, hey, definitely doing that, and so that shows you a little bit of the corruption of the media.

“I think he has decapitated the reason why your show is doing so well, is that he's decapitated”

corporate media. He's got them chilled, he's got their lawyers, triple checking, everything they say. And so Trump's looking at it saying, hey, I'm going to get attention, and people on me, I'm going with the speech even if it's a speech about nothing, but to your point, the

going to have a really tough time and a result of which it was full risk off after the speech.

So, and, you know, and people say to me, they always say, oh, Trump cares about the market,

Trump cares about the market, Trump cares about the market, Trump cares about making money from the market for himself and the people around him. He doesn't care about your portfolio or your markets and even care about the polls anymore because he's not running for reelection. So, guys, get off of those notions of first-term Trump caring about the market and the poll numbers. He has worse poll numbers than Jimmy Carter

did at the peak of the oil crisis in 1978, 1979. The poll numbers are terrible. You don't care. Doesn't care. So, what, how did you, what was the reason for the speech? What, what does he do

“it? Why is he making such efforts if he doesn't care?”

The reason for the speech and as an American speech, I think it would agree on it. But there was something he said in the speech, the people should be listening to, and as an American citizen

that still exercising my first amendment, right? I denounce it as an American citizen.

He said he's going to bomb Iran into the Stone Age, right? Okay. That was the reason for the speech. And let me explain why that was important. I was important because I'm putting the ground troops in. I have a 12-year-old's mentality. And when I'm moving stuff into the region, guess what, guys, I'm not using that as a leverage point. I'm using the stuff. So, the 80 second airborne is going in there. So, or the number reading. 50,000 troops, right? And by the way,

you know, General Kane told me that they'd booby-trap Carg Island, and they've got all these

“little Vietnam, like guerilla things they're going to do to our troops, and our troops are really”

set up for Cold War Army to army battle. So, I've got to spend the next three weeks blasting the living daylights out of Iran before I can get the troops in position. So, I'm going to give you the speech, and it's going to be, I'm going to bomb them back to the Stone Age speech. So, this is going to be the speech. When historians look at the wreckage of Donald Trump, they're going to say, what were you guys doing when you let somebody that in you main into the

White House? And so, in preparation for this, I prepared something for you. Can I just go over this for a quick week? Go right ahead. So, it is not enough for mag of the following. We're going to release the Epstein files. Oh, wait a minute. Trump's in the Epstein files. We're not going to release the Epstein files. We're going to bomb people to distract from them. We're going to bomb a

“school, any run with young kids in it, mostly women. We're going to create alligator alcatrash,”

which is this disgusting penitentiary for immigrants in Florida that has sewage back up and we're going to laugh about it while we're down there. We're going to murder people in Minneapolis. We're going to kidnap children and not even know where we're sending them. We're going to manipulate

the markets, Cara. We're going to take bribes, particularly a big $400 million jet, and I'm

going to keep the jet after I leave. I'm going to excoriate our allies that have been our friends for over a century, and I'm going to threaten to attack a NATO country, Greenland. I'm going to shit all over Canada, and then I'm going to come after your first fourth, fifth, and 14th Amendment rights in the Constitution. Oh, and oh, by the way, every price in America is going to go up as a result of my tariffs, and I'm going to lower a corporate taxes, big beautiful spending bill. And so

if you're making a million dollars or more, you're going to get a $7,000 benefit, and if you're making $50,000, or less, I'm taking $500 a benefit. It's away from you. And this is what I'm going to do, and you're going to shut up and you're going to like it, Maga. You're still going to support me 34%. But let me tell you what's going to kill them. It's the gas prices. So it turns out that the red line for Maga, Caraswisher, or the gas prices. Because they don't want to go into the

250th birthday of America, growing hot dogs at $8 a gallon of gas, and so his approval ratings are going into the gutter, but everything I just read, including the gutting of the department of just this, and we could name 50 other things, hollowing out USAID, was acceptable to people, attacking lawyers, attacking media. No, no NIH grants anymore. We're not going to do any cancer research in the country. But you said he doesn't care. Like you just said, like he doesn't care. No, doesn't care.

So why do it? It's self promotion, self-aggrandizements, self-interest. He's doing it because he likes putting people in pain. He's doing it because he's a miserable as soapy, and he's doing it because anybody in his path gets destroyed. You know, some people say

Macron is in his field of vision today. Then he'll attack another person. Last, yesterday afternoon

“he said, "You know, JD Vance is out there negotiating this thing. If it works, I'll take all the credit.”

If it doesn't, I'll give him all the blame. That is Donald Trump." Can I ask you, is it cognitive issues? I mean, you spent, it seems like that. That speech last night was like, "Look, I hate to say it looked like my mom on a bad day at the nursing home." Oh, okay. So I'm the contrary on this because I've known the son of a bitch for 20 years. It's like cognitive issues, but he's not in full-on dementia. He's an 80-year-old guy that's a

little bit forgetful. He's stupid, a little bit. He's lost some posture, maybe his spine is a

a little bit weakened through old age. Oh, mind you, inflammation. Yeah, inflammation. His ankles are

swollen, but he has not lost it. And whether people like it or not, he has a lot of energy for an 80-year-old. He's moving himself around. Okay. And so, but what it is, what it is, is hatred of self and projection of that hatred onto others. And you gotta see it for what it actually is. Okay. The other thing is, let's say that I'm not saying anybody's an agent of Putin. But let's say I was an agent of Putin. Okay. Let's just say hypothetically, "I happen to be an agent of Putin."

And I happen to, "Oh, I happen to be the president of the United States." So let me do the following. Let me go after the NATO allies. Let me threaten the pull out of NATO. Let me pull aid and material from Ukraine, excoriate the Ukrainian president. Let me, oh, here's a good idea. Let me attack Iran, and that a result of attacking Iran, I'm going to lift the sanctions on Russian oil. And I'm going to lift the sanctions on their ally, Iran's oil. Right. So now the

Russians are going to make billions and billions of dollars off of this, which will help my buddy, Vlad, and I don't know. You've told me. I don't know. How does that sound? I don't know what he's doing. I felt like it was slightly cognac. But you know, he is having a rough week in course, because courts are pushing back at him everywhere you look. It was like 10 of them yesterday. Let's go through some of his losses. A federal judge temporarily halted construction on his beloved White House

Ballroom, saying it needs Congress's authorization and Congress doesn't seem to be moving on it. Trump's executive order, cutting funding to NPR and PBS, was struck down. A judge ruling

it violated the First Amendment. Another judge ruled that civil suit against Trump.

For his actions on January 6, can go forward. And the presidential meeting is not applied to a speech that day. Talking to supporters before they marched the Capitol. And one more, a judge in Texas blocked a Trump fact deal, allowing churches to endorse political candidates. Trump also was at the Supreme Court on Wednesday very briefly listening to arguments out whether his executive order will limit birthright citizenship as constitutional injustices,

seemed skeptical. And that's being kind. His latest order, restricting male and voting ahead of the 2026 elections, already facing legal challenges. He's going to lose badly on that one. So, pick a case any case. And I mean, this is what he does. He transgresses with illegal actions. And then everyone's picking up the pieces and pushing back legally. And he does damage in that

“way. What is, he's going to lose on every one of these things. It seems like any does it matter?”

Or when, well, Seattle, I don't know. The only care is about his ballroom from what I can tell. Well, see, I actually think there's a bigger thing going on here. Because remember, Trump to a group of right wing intellectuals is an empty vessel. Okay. So, they bought all options on him on January 7, 2021, low point for Trump right after the insurrection. Everyone said he was politically dead. And so these right wing lunatics that couldn't get the

time of day of a Mitt Romney or George W. Bush, they said, let's team up with Donald Trump. He's probably going to come back. He still has lots of mega popularity. And if he comes back, we can take all of this intellectual nonsense that we believe. And we can run the card table with Trump. So let's talk about one of the cases, which is the argument against birthright citizenship.

“So remember, everybody's looking at the case, like, oh, he's trying to repeal the 14th Amendment”

that a blah, blah, blah, blah. He's going to lose the case. Oh, ha, ha, ha. I don't see it that way. This is a maximalist position. Okay. This is a group of people to Trump's right. These intellectual imbosals that want to expand article to executive power. And they are pushing for a maximal position. Okay. So every fight, whether it's winter lose, expands the boundaries of what future presidents will try. Cara. And I think this is the point that people need to be losing. It's like

You see what I just did? I went to the court to intimidate them for my base. Didn't work. My base hates black and brown people and they hate anchor babies. And I'm sending my base a message that I'm fighting for them. Okay. But in basult, let me just point out something. If you, let's say they ruled with you. You would create a situation that is ridiculous. Okay. And what is that situation? You would have children born in the country that are actually have no citizens

rights anywhere because a lot of the parents, they just pointed that out. Okay. So you would have that. They wouldn't be able to work legally in the country. They wouldn't be entitled to schooling. This is a constitutional intimidation. Why do the maximalist thing when the middle of

“this thing is how you get things? That's how they got to abortion. They slowly, slowly, slowly,”

aid at it. This is this is going to never be brought up again for 20 years. Carry.

Carry. I got three years to push and shove you guys. Okay. Now, if I can only get control of the elections, what I can then do is install another right winger to further weaken everything in the Constitution. Peter Teal, these guys, I don't like the Constitution. The Constitution is very, very messy. I don't like these people that I don't agree with. I want the things to go my way or the highway. And so I need the orange wrecking ball. I've got three years left. I got a smash into that

Constitution as hard as possible. And by the way, good news for me, I've already weakened the Constitution in the eyes of 30, 40, 50% of the people. That's why I got to keep going on this.

“I think so they're going to just keep trying to smash. Man, so they can't, but even if they don't”

win. But I have a question for you if you don't mind. Are we living you and me? Are we living in a rogue state? Meaning. Okay. Well, let's go over what a rogue state is. No, I know who's the rogue. Cam or us. Well, I have to say that our government is the rogue. Yes. Yeah. Our government is the right. So are we living in a rogue state? We're living in an executive that wants to take more power than ever, which is something that's happens in Silicon Valley. It happens in

that we're trying to apply their Silicon Valley. You spoke with Teal and the others, Silicon Valley management style to the government, which has been growing for decades and decades that's not a new fresh thing. And some used to accuse Franklin Denner Roosevelt of a similar

“thing. If you, you know, I was not alive them, but if you read history. So I think there's always been”

this push for unitary executive power. It just tends to get pushed back every single time because of the constitution. Let me ask a different question. Then if a smaller nation was indiscriminately striking another nation in direct violation of law and was applying this type of violent behavior with the Americans, the old school American governments, be designating that country a rogue state. Yes. Yes. I would think so. But I think it's a rogue group of people within the state,

because what I've been struck by is how enduring some of it is, right? You see and push back everywhere. And I know it's, I think one of the things that I think about a lot is it's very easy. When you, when you run for office, you can be, and I don't like to use this phrase as much but a bomb thrower, right? You can make trouble everywhere. And when you're governing, you change as a governor, right, to govern things. And you aren't a bomb thrower. So this is a, this is a

government that just never governs. It bomb throws and breaks and doesn't fix. Just like, I mean,

the White House ballroom is a perfect, like it's, it's a construction pit. They just destroy. And I don't even know if that ballroom's ever going to get made. It's a, it's a kind of a physical manifestation of the mentality of just destroy. And once we've destroyed, we won the fight already because now we have to do the rest of us pick it up. But I am struck by the power of the push back, actually. Well, there's symbolism in destroying that, by the way. You know, I'm here as a

record of everything. And this is the thing that the Americans have that answer for us. The American people have the answer for the following. You got a system that put in place, tremendous checks and balances, tremendous processes, you hate statesmen and women abide to the system, even Richard Nixon. And the system made you the most prosperous country

and arguably one of the most, if not the most powerful country in the world. And you've now decided

people. So I understand it. You want to wreck the system because you think the system is unfair to you. There's a few fat cats getting super rich. And you're in a full on affordability crisis for yourself. And you've gone from economic, the aspirational, to desperation, so Trump is your avatar for anger. System's not working for you below up the system. Yes, yes, yes. But that's going to be very bad for people. The people that want to blow up the system, it's going to really hurt them.

Yes, it will be. I mean, when I, I know that sounds crazy, but when I was in college,

two guys ran for the student body presidency, right? And they had a whole, they basically had

a nailistic thing. Like we just want a party, we want to spend all the money on ourselves, and they want, right? They want, people were kind of sick of the, you know, the student body president types, who wanted to do good government. And there is a moment where I think voters do like chaos, right? But at some point, they don't. They absolutely do not. And I think it does, I think we'll be picking up from this guy for centuries, like it's not a century, for decades.

And I think it's not a good thing, but it isn't necessarily a bad thing to have to be battered, right? For a second, just to see what holds and what needs to be fixed. And it does allow us to reflect on who we are and what we want to be. I mean, it's kind of interesting that we're in this 250 years. And it says, okay, what doesn't work? What does work?

“What do we need to think about? And it does knock everyone into a sense of what matters to them.”

And I don't think, I think it's a painful way to learn something, but I think it's a way to learn things. I do. All right. So this is a big question. Okay. And I follow you, and I love your podcast, and I read your writings. So I'm going to stipulate something that's going to ask a very big question. All right. So I believe that this is a very young country. And we don't have the cultural morays of Italy, France, Germany. Not a bad thing. Okay. Not saying it's a bad thing,

but it's trying to explain to you what happens in our country is we go into this shitter, every 80 or so years. Yeah. We do. Okay. So 1776 into the shitter Civil War. We've lost all the institutional memory because 80 years is enough for the generation dies off. And then we go 80 years out from the Civil War. We're in the Great Depression. We go into the shitter again. We have the polar cells out of it. And then we build the post-war war to society, along with our allies.

And we have this moment of great peace, generally, great peace and prosperity. But we're 80 years out again, Cara. And so now we're going into the shitter again, which we've been in the shitter,

but go ahead. All right. Well, we're in the shitter, but America has been always in this moment,

to your point that you just made reflective, redemptive, and then it renews itself. However, however, there's something going on right now. And this is the Cara Swisher question. All right. So they're going on right now. The proliferation of social media. Right. And the addiction of the social media, which has created this tribalism and created these stovepiles. I work on silos. It's this going to prevent us from coming out of the shitter. Are we going to be able

“to have a post-partisan moment? I think they're finished. These cases that are starting to build up,”

I think people are, it takes, you know, as you know, six cigarettes 20 years. So they can

fill up Morrison. This is fill up Morrison. And everybody is like just a fucking second. And I think

I know it sounds crazy, but I have so many people now coming up to me after a road burnbook, which at the time, people like, oh, you're so mean to them. There's such important innovators. People coming to me down, they're like, you weren't mean enough. You weren't mean enough. Like, you weren't tough enough on them. And I think people are suddenly taking control of themselves, whether it's social media. I think young people are. My sons, I see. And that's an anecdotal

thing. But I see people pushing back across the globe against the tech. And I think the fact that the technologies put theirs in with Trump was the final moment of, oh, they are the villains,

“like the Marvel villains. And I think I really do think there's a very healthy pushback happening.”

And I don't think I, I feel positive for the first time that people understand what it's very up to me. Look, I'm, I hope so. I'm very out there. I'm going to say some of this not reflect well on me or Deirdre. I let the kids have the iPad. And it was ruining their personalities. And I let them have it for too long. I've taken the iPad away from them and the phones and all that other stuff. I've got my children back. They have been desombified by that process. Okay. So it's

shout out to Jonathan Hayd. Is that he says name? Jonathan Hayd. And the shout out to Cara Swisher.

surgeon general did that these stupid products give your kids brains lung cancer. I know it's a

mix metaphor, but you get my point. I'll tell you one of the themes in this series. I did the Cara Swisher on the Trevor is about the danger of chat bots with kids. You know I've been talking to the parents and and doing interviews with them. I think that the the the the most dangerous thing right now is relationships with AI bots and the sick of fanatic relationships. And I'll tell you that I'll do a plot of plot spoiler. The entire series. Guess what the number one

indicator of longevity is. You'll know money right or no money. Money of course. Yeah don't be poor. But what's the actual number one? Genetics? No, not sleep, not diet, not exercise. Trust friends and family. Friends and family. That makes sense. The community not just people you know, but walking to a coffee shop and saying hey, how's your day going? I do that now all the time. People, you know, they look down and you go, hey, how's your day going? They go like this. Like you can see them go, oh.

I'm okay. And I go, are you sure? Is everything good? It's it's amazing. If you talk to

people, you don't know and you have friends and family on you. You live longer, you're happier, you're healthier. It's less costly. It's in and it's suck and it's not it's not correlation. It's causation. It's apps and and the more time you spend with bots and online, the sick are you're going to be. Carol, I'm loving you more every every day. Can I play out a public social message to billionaire dickweeds? Can I just have a public social message? Hey, hey, hey, billionaire dickweeds.

Are you out there? Listen to me, okay? No more asymmetrical relationships, okay? If you don't call

“me, guess what? I'm not fucking calling you. You're not that important, okay? You have to take”

a crap every day. If the go to the bathroom, you're really not that important. So you know what? I want to live a long time. So I'm going to have symmetrical relationships and bilateral relations

with people. If you think you're too fucking important to call me back, yeah, you never get another

problem. Okay, all right, let's go to the next topic. Speaking of this, we're going to Chris and Nova because I broke props. Not yet, not yet. Okay, let's go on a quick break. We come back, SpaceX officially files for an IPO. Support for the show comes from Odo. Running a business is hard enough. So why make it harder with it doesn't different apps that don't talk to each other. Introducing Odo, it's the only business software you'll ever need. It's an

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ahead of other upcoming massive IPOs from OpenAI and Thropic. There's a lot of them coming this year. SpaceX reportedly seek evaluation of 1.75 trillion. It's not making that much money. Companies who are poorly allocated as much as 30% of the offerings to small investors. That's nice.

“It's really, I'm going to go through a whole bunch of market things, but I think it's 15 billion”

dollars from revenue and the numbers are really crazy for this. It's highly overvalued at the same time people will probably run into it. A couple of things Oracle stock has been fluctuating after

laying a thousand employees. Microsoft dropped almost a quarter of its value in the first three months

the year. Where's quarter? OpenAI has been going to let individual investors access the stock months for its planned IPO. Lots of companies got in hit. Palentiers got in hit. It's really kind of an up and down thing. Talk a little bit about the SpaceX IPO and where the markets are from your perspective. And of course, if you'd like Bitcoin, tell us what's happening there since your Mr. Bitcoin. All right. Well, I mean, let's start with SpaceX. I mean, listen, the

cult of personality around Elon Musk is such where he gets an excessive exogenous premium for his company. They are off of the scale. Even if they're suffering like Tesla. Even if they're suffering like Tesla, they get enormous, magical valuation numbers. Okay, you're talking about a

1.65 trillion dollar. 65 trillion dollar valuation. He's going to raise apparently 75 billion dollars.

So that would crush the Saudi Rampo IPO record. Okay, it's two to three times larger than any IPO ever. Okay. And he does have a good product. What's going on? We have to, we have to tell people that it's good. But we don't know the revenue splits yet between Starlink, the launching business, the defense business. We don't know the breakout of the profitability. Okay. And we also don't know the cap expert because it would feel like the Starship stuff is a blast furnace, if you will.

A blast furnace of cap. Okay. Now, having said that, I want to disclose this to people. I do own

“SpaceX. I have participated in one of the private rounds of SpaceX. Why did you do that?”

Because you thought they were far in a way the biggest provider? I did that because I see this Starlink being worth a fortune for him. And I see this idea. And I'm not saying it'll happen. And this is why it's venture capital in my portfolio. But I see the notion that creating interstellar or orbital data centers where you're getting the energy from the sun and not from the electricity grid and you're beaming it back down to earth using satellite technology,

I think that's near near science fiction. I think that becomes science fact. And I think he's well positioned to do it. I also think that he's merged grock into this. And I think grock on its own, which again, full disclosure, I was an investor in XAI. I mean, I think, you know, this Antonio Gracie, a son I worked together at Goldman. Obviously, I would have been smarter to investor earlier, but he's been helpful in getting the access to these investments. And for me, in my venture portfolio,

“that's side of my portfolio. I think this guy has done a very good job of executing.”

And the valuation is maybe high. But what I've learned in life and you and I are 40 years as an investor, I missed out on a few things early like Amazon, because I was reading Warren Buffett's annual reports and the valuation for Amazon was too high. But ultimately, the guys that bought Amazon were right, I missed it. And it was a big miss for me. You know, a $10,000 investment in Amazon

on the May 15, 1997 IPOs worth almost $20 million today. Right. And so I want to have a few things.

Although it could have been touching go, there was a point where Amazon's 100. And we could be five years from now if you're kind enough to invite me back on, we could be saying that was a big miss for SpaceX, that was a big miss. But again, what I would tell investors is you got to have a little bit of your portfolio in the dream, because it is America, and we have to believe in that dream. Now, I have most of my portfolio and stocks and bonds, and I have most of my portfolio in

the garden variety S&P 500, some Berkshire Hathaway, et cetera. But I do I do own this stuff. Would you would you buy open AI in comparatively now there and a much more competitive position now with Anthropic and others? Or would you buy Anthropic? So I own both. And you know, I had this nightmare situation with Sandbank when freed, which I've well documented and talked about. But one of the things he did for me, he bought Anthropic. He brought Anthropic. He told me to buy

Anthropic. And I bought Anthropic very early. And let me tell you how this works in life.

So Anthropic is a larger percentage of my net worth than certain legacy assets that I have,

Cara. And so this is another reason why I always tell people it's okay. And by the way,

you don't have time in the day for all my zeroes and all my stupid decisions and stuff. You know, I had Travis Calenak. Because that is, I had him in my office, 50 million dollar valuation for Uber. I said, "Wait a minute, an unknown guy in an unknown black car is going to drive my 16 year old daughter around Manhattan. Get out of my office." Get out. Get out. Yeah. And I missed it. Right. So I can't give you all my losses as well.

“But you got to me, I believe that you have to have some of these in. So open AI has its challenges.”

Obviously he's fighting it out with Elon and all the different things that we could describe. But I think he's got lots of market share and I think he's going to grow his market share. And by the way, I think Claude is going to, and Anthropic is going to win this case against government. Trump's going to lose that case, too. Right. So when you look around, you're like, "Look, take these risks." And as long as it's like, it's not a situation where it's not a real business, right?

And in this case, Starlink is a real business. The rocket business is a real business. This is a much smaller business than the valuation by far. But especially when you zero out against a Facebook, it's worth more than Facebook and Facebook has a talk about a real real business. That's significant and ongoing business. And the threats, a Scott feels like there's a real

mode that they have. I never think there's any modes ever, especially when you look at Tesla,

how quickly, when a couple of years ago, I was like, "Test is going to get killed by China and competitors." And it was like, "No, Tesla's the winner. I'm like, there's no way they're keeping a 70% market share. It's not happening." And of course, it's gone down and down and he lost the

“interest in it. And instead of putting out really innovative cars, he put out the cyber truck, right?”

And so once I saw the cyber truck, I'm like, "That this thing is watch out below." But his particular, as you said, you know, he has a lot of misses, but he has a lot of wins. And so you kind of have to go with him in that regard, in this particular thing. Could I add just one thing because this is something we have to accept, and that's called "memification." And so we have to accept that there's a prolific number of b-swarming retail

investors, Wall Street bet like investors, that are with Elon, and that there's a personality called "around Elon" that is affecting valuation. And by the way, they are way sturdier than any of my short selling buddies. And they've knocked out a lot of my short selling buddies, so I would just tell people, "Listen, I'm a market realist. I'm not a market purist." I read Buffett and Buffett is the paper-edict giver of value. You know, we're going to get the Bitcoin, but Buffett thinks

Bitcoin's rap poison, or rap poison squared, and all this other stuff. But the point I'm making is that I'm a market realist, not a market idealist. And this man, Elon Musk has a "memification in bed" in him. He may not last forever, but there's a "memification in bed" in there, and that I am not too proud or too idealistic at the end of the day.

You know, he's interesting. One time, I call "Burkerhead" because he had never made an internet

investment. This was a decade ago or more, more than that. It was more than that. And I called up to ask him. I was doing a Wall Street Journal, so it was a long time ago. And I call up and I said, "I thought I was going to get a PR person and the phone rings through and it's him." And I was like, "Oh, hi, hi there, Warren Buffett." And he's like, "I just don't believe in

“this internet thing." And I was like, "I think you're wrong. I can't believe I'm given you advice,”

sir." But he was very much against the internet investments. And he admitted he was wrong about it much later, like that he was wrong about all of them. And there is some value in understanding. It's going to take a while for people to catch up to Musk in this area. But as I always say, they will catch up because it's a great market, right? As you say, if we have these data centers in space, if you think he's going to be the only one running the show,

you're absolutely wrong. People will gritty people will rush into the business, whether it's Amazon, with Kipur or whatever. It's going to be a lot of people. But it'll take his attention, which he fell away from because I think he got red-pilled in many ways. If his attention wanes, it's in trouble. If it doesn't, it's hard to compete with him and his main vacation as you talk about. I think you're right. Well, I get a portfolio approach. I own a lot of them. And

some of them will work, some of them won't. But my lesson from 30 years ago is I wasn't bold enough.

Not the whole thing. Yeah, that's right. Very briefly Bitcoin. Where's it at today?

Well, Bitcoin is in a significant bear market. Bitcoin got hurt by Trump. I know the Trump lovers and the Trump crypto lovers don't like me saying this. But I said, when those meancoins came out, Trump and Melania meancoins, he's going to crush us. He's going to hurt us because he hurts everything that he touches. And so what ended up happening is the regulation that should have been passed didn't get passed because of the hatred of Trump. And so, so a result of which we're

in a typical Bitcoin bear market. So it's 66,000. It's 66,000. But it's been pretty sturdy during the Iranian war. Yeah. And I, but it has a brush upwards, which one would not get. But I would say to Bitcoin enthusiasts, this is a typical four-year cycle having cycle situation. This point in the cycle Bitcoin

loses roughly half of its value. It did. I'll make a prediction on your show. Sure. I've been

“humbled by markets. Probably could be wrong. I think the $60,000 bottom is in for Bitcoin. And I think”

that Bitcoin starts to rally in the fourth quarter, which would be consistent with the four-year cycle of Bitcoin. So even though you've got more buyers in Bitcoin, you were offset by whale selling in the last 12 months. And guess what? You got the typical four-year cycle of Bitcoin. This is some long-term holder. I'm okay with that. I mean, you're right. Trump came in and made a mess of it by all the shit coins, all those scams. And so it linked to Bitcoin. And quite any such

so much money, political donations into his coffers from guys that thought Trump was going to help. Well, he doesn't help people. He doesn't help people. He doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't. Well, people, because they don't like themselves. So this is the trough. We are in the trough of Bitcoin. I'm going to keep that prediction. We'll find out. All right. Anthony, we're going to quick break. We come back. We'll talk about those photos of Kristi Nome's husband.

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Anthony, we're back. And Scott is going to be very sad. He's missing this one. Kristi Nome is quote devastated and blindsided by the allegations that her husband is at Brian's activities in online fetish communities early this week. The Daily Mail published an investigation into Nome's husband, which included a photo of him wearing pink hot pants and fake breasts with nipples. The story also alleges he spent at least 25,000. Communicating with women in the bimbo fication scene.

I didn't know about this, but fascinating, which fetishes people with surgical enhancement for Republicans or party family. It was this couple was particularly performative. I don't know what to say here. I just don't know. I'm in hot water. My mother-in-law, because last night when I came home, I said, "Mom, were you in one of those chat rooms?" She got out of the window. No. It was bad, right? Look at me. Because I know Scott Galloway isn't here, but I brought props.

What is that? Is that them? Those are movies. They're actually dodgeballs of my kids play with my dogs. Do you want me to send you them? No, I don't. Do you want to wear these later? No. I do not do not dare put them on. I'm not putting them on. Because I don't want to make fun of somebody, but I just say I did bring props. Let me say what I think. I feel sad for this guy, because I think he has, listen, I'm from San Francisco. If you want to marry a goat, I'm pretty okay with it.

Not great with it, but that's okay. I think it's he obviously has an interest, and I don't

“find fetish as someone interesting, and I think you should express yourself, and it's not hurting”

anybody, right? Is it really hurting anybody that he likes this? No. My part is he seems very sad about liking it, right? Some of these actually, some of the women he hired are actually quite wise. I have to say some of these sex workers are like, "Well, he really liked it," and he seems sad,

people in this entire affair. So I felt bad for him that he had this fert of life, and he couldn't

express himself. That's one. I also think he's in huge hypocrite in that all this performative religious stuff when he has life that's more interesting and more unusual, and he should have that life without feeling ashamed, shame himself. In her case, I do think she didn't know about it.

“I suspect she did. I don't think it's any excuse for her behavior with Coralone Dowski. I think”

part of, I put this stuff up saying I felt sad for this guy, and everyone's like, "Don't you know that Coralone Dowski leaked this to get the focus off of their and there?" And what we should be focused on, not this poor guy, which is sad, but for him, I wish he enjoyed himself more, as I said, but on their on their grift, right? They're enormous grift and what happened there, and the investigations into the two of them, and their behaviors in there. And by extension, Donald Trump should continue,

and focus in on those two. We've normalized corruption, which is hopefully we'll have to come back from that as well. But here's three quick things. I would say, number one, you're coming down from heaven, and you're on the assembly line, and there are some fetishes like feet fetishes, or eyelash fetish. I don't know what the fetishes are, but then the supervisor stops the assembly line and brings out the inflatable boobies, said, "Hey, we're setting you to earth with these."

“Okay? I mean, that was a rough one. Okay, so I feel bad for the guy because I think you're”

born with that, maybe? Number two. Okay, magma men are repressing a lot of stuff. And you know that, my buddy, Donald Lemon tells me that the grinder stuff lights up at all these precious conservative things. Okay? We spot Lindsey Graham with the magic wand down in Walt Disney World. Yes, just some people know he was Disney World with a little mermaid bubble wand, did one photo and waiting in line for space mountain and another. He said he was meeting with

Trump and Steve Wittkov and then went to Orlando to meet friends just for a quick, you never go

quickly to Disneyland. Look, look, look, look, look, look. The problem is the problem, right? Like, so to me, I'm going to tell you that magma men are repressing a lot of stuff and then they're taking it out on the rest of us, right? Like, if you read the velvet rage by Alan Downs, okay, guys, relax, whatever it is, whatever your orientation is, let it go. Nobody cares. Okay, we're in a totally different environment. And find where it's a frozen. Let it go.

“Like, I, yeah, exactly. I think these guys can't hold it back anymore.”

You know, you know this, Cara. I do. I don't, I let it go on, but born in the 40s and 50s. And with all of that repression, okay, and who the hell knows with Donald Trump's father did to him as a kid? And the guys that repress said, Guy, okay, he's decorating the overall office like Liberace. He wants the ball room. He took over the Kennedy Performing Arts Center. He wants to take his pain out on us. Calm down. Let it all go. Okay, and I feel bad for this guy,

but I'm telling you this type of repression for some reason has found its way into our politics. And then the last point, because I had three, that's a serious point. The last point. Look at me. I thought you were just going to make booby jokes, but go ahead. The last point. Look at me. Look at me. Look at me. Look at me, too. I'm a normal fucking guy. I can't believe. I thought I was a luty tune. I'm in the bell curve of normal male madness. I know. Yeah, let me ask you crazy. I thought I was nuts.

It's not. No, no, you're totally boring. I'm going to put it to what does it do to, what does it do to, she has no political prospects now, correct? Or she will, she go, the, I didn't know, I don't know, they took the couple hundred million dollars off the end thing. So what do they do? They put the $200 million in to the end thing. The higher to consultant, the consultant, skimmed like they do with these political action committees. Let me tell people from pivot. Guys,

never put any money in a political action committee, because what they do is the cronies at the top,

they skim all the money and they charge a 15, 20, 30% advertising consulting fee and they're laughing at you. They're laughing at you. Okay. So what Nome and Cory did was took the money. Okay, and it diverted it and they're going to go live somewhere. God bless them. They got some money. Okay. I don't want to make the money like that. No, they'll, they'll, they'll be. They will have a problem. They'll have legal problems forever. I would assume that she has no presidential prospects,

correct? Because I know that was, no, she's got no presidential prospects, but she's also come on. You know, these are the people that we want run in the country. Come on. No. No. Okay.

around on your horse. You know, I did see one great meme though. You might have I shared it. You know,

we had the fuck Mary Kill. So we had the Mary to guy with the big bullies. We're fucking Cory and we're killing the dog. I thought that was really funny. Okay. That's a good one. That's good. It's interesting, though. It's, it's really interesting. Someone, a company that I didn't think was going to do. I'm a friend of the Harvey loving from DMZ. But he's been publishing photos after asking people to submit pictures of lawmakers on vacation during the DHS shutdown. And I'll

note, it's a bipartisan shaming targeting Democrats and Republicans alike. It's part of a larger push by TMZ, which is amped up. It's political coverage showing what it calls the intersection politics and pop culture. I kind of like that they're doing this. So you can, let us see you what you're doing versus how you're talking, right? So you're exposing their hypocrisy, you know?

“Yeah. Exactly. And here's the thing I would tell you, you know, they had filmed last week”

bypassing the entire TSA at the Reagan Airport. I think he was in or maybe dull us. And guy, you're a hypocrite, you know, fixed the country. There's a 14% approval rating for the Congress. It's just slightly above Camel Jung. Okay. But you know what? 95% of these guys get reelected because of cherry mandering and citizens united. They picked the voters. That's not the thing they're able to do. Where are we in a real democracy, Cara? Where the politicians

picked the voters? I thought the voters were supposed to pick the politicians. And they get unlimited money from the corporates. And so they can stay in power. You know, like you and I opening a brush on our food sucks. We got one star yelp ratings, but we can't ever get fired. Right. Right. It's it's it's a poem. Yeah, it is. And they I think they're paying the price for it. Though I love that these pictures are there. I think people should do more of this exposure. Like here's

how they live. Here's how they behave. I did like when Delta said, we're not going to let them jump the line if they're on Delta. You know, we're not going to let them have special

“things. And now I think things are coming down at airports. Apparently TSA's sort of started to”

organize it a little better. But it's still the fact that they can't pass a basic funding bill is really quite something, you know, without making everything partisan. All right. One more quick break will be back for predictions.

Okay. Anthony, let's hear a prediction. All right. So listen, you know, listen, first of all, happy

Eastern and happy Passover. Happy you and your family. Thanks. And I'm going to I'm going to make three predictions. Okay. So the first prediction, pan bond is long gone. Okay. A zeldon will replace her. This is Lee Zeldon. They have gutted the department of justice and it's become the Trump family law firm. And so that's actually good for these Supreme Court decisions. They've got nobody there to argue these stupid cases, but it's just very bad for the country. Number two,

and I think this is also one that I don't like is that we're going to have ground troops in

“Iran. And again, the bomb, the people back to the stone age, was to the grade them in such a way”

where we can put the ground troops in. And then my last prediction is that the Chinese are going to be involved in a resolution of this. And so what Trump is going to do, and this is the reason why he delayed the meeting with Xi. He's going to get the people at the car island. He's going to get him in the straight. He's going to shut off the oil. He's going to pick up the phone and call Xi and say, listen, you're getting 40, 50% of your oil out of here. And this is a satellite state of yours.

You got to secularize that state. And you got to let me and the UN whoever go in there and take the uranium out of there. And when we're doing that, when we're done doing that, I'm going to open the oil spick it again. And you can have the oil. I understand that you got to run your economy. And I want to be a cooperative economic competitor of yours. And I do need those rare or many minerals.

But that third prediction is where we're going on the chess board because there are some

smart people in the Pentagon, and now that they're in this thing. That they're here. Why not take advantage of that? That's where they're going. So those are my three predictions. My as well. But that could cause a lot of deaths, American deaths, which could be problematic. But they don't care. You know, he doesn't care. You're an object in Trump's field of vision. You're not a person. So he doesn't care. So you're an animal as well. Take advantage of this situation.

Let me ask you, what do you think of Lee Zelman? Well, Lee, I know a long time. Lee Lee was district one out here on Long Island. He was the house of representatives guy out here. He's conservative guy, Ren for governor here. Lee is finally reasonable as I recall. That's where I was came crazy. That's where I was going. So Lee is in that group of people that went into the maga chamber and came out with the red hat and the long tie and the kuku lala. But he was not that

to do for Donald Trump to destroy his reputation, too, because that's what you do. You go in. I want

“the power. I want the significance. Trump moves the gold posts on you. Hey, Cara, prices are going”

down. No forever wars. We're ending our involvement in the Middle East. Okay. Okay. Well, now, you guys loyal to me. Yes, you're loyal to me. Now we're going to do the opposite of that. Right. We're moving the gold posts. You got to stay loyal to me. And so that's Lee Selden is the type of kid. He's going to look back on this, because I know how he grew up, you know, and you know, he's out here along Island with me. He's going to look back on this and say,

why I really screwed this up. I shouldn't have done the things that I'm doing. But he'll be, he'll be a lucky for Trump. So is there a redemption? There are a lot of Republicans. I just interviewed

Tom Tillis. He's sort of run out of fox. There's a lot of people that, to me, even Marjorie Triller Green,

do you see a pushback anywhere? And, and what are the implications of that? Are you seeing? And I'm not talking about like the Jeb Bush Republican. No, Thun goes down as a scarecrow. You know, because that is one of the worst of the worst. You know, like when we have, you want to help be dead or maybe because of the red light therapy on your new show. You want to be alive,

“but it'll be 50 years from now. And the people are going to look back and say, what the hell happened?”

And John Thun is the poster boy for cowardice. Okay, because he could have called Schumer, and he could say, hey, we're shutting this down. Okay, we are article one of the Constitution for a reason, and we're shutting this down. You and I are going to the White House today,

and we're going to tell this asshole that he's the most on American president that's ever lived,

and we're going to go in a different direction, or we're going to blow him out of the seat. But you didn't do that because he's got no k-yones, and he wants personal power over the serving of the public, and he wants the bypass security line. Okay, and guy, you speak a good guy. I knew you a long time, and I was on the Ronby campaign. You were a good guy, but you are now a little bit. So what happens? What happens to these? Because something's going to happen.

They've lost in Kansas. They've lost in Kansas. They've lost in Kansas. They don't lose the midterms on the house. They won't lose the Senate. Trump will go, maybe they'll lose the Senate, but they won't lose it enough for Trump to get impeach because they need two-thirds vote. Trump will strong on everybody. The last two years will be about grifting and making money and market manipulation because they've telling people they want to be the richest family

after they leave. And on the 19th of January, he will pardon himself and his family members and the people that are close to him. And I'll drop that in the lap of the Supreme Court in the Congress as whether or not a president can pardon themselves. And he will leave an unbuilt ballroom and a complete catastrophic shitstorm for whoever the clean-up crew is going to be. And by the way, as people have said in it, democracy used sometimes to get the people that you deserve.

And we'll have to look at ourselves and say, how do we let that happen? And this is the point of the book that I'm writing, which you've been nice enough to read for me, is that we let this happen. Through bad decision making, but we left out the people, Cara, that you and I grew up with who once felt unbelievable about the American dream and unbelievable, my father was making money by the hour. He was a union guy. But he was like, you know what, my kids are going to live the American

train. Let's get to work. Now those people are like, hey, man, I can't get a job. And by the way, my kids are not going to get a job, fuck you people, burn it down. And we've got to go, you're talking with burn book, have a burn the whole thing. Burn our social consciousness. So it's burnt. So now. So now we got to get some people in there that are postpartisan, transformational leaders that are going to run a restate a vision for the country. Like I said, we go through this every 83 years.

We're in our 250th year anniversary. Here are the things that we need to do to redeem ourselves. We have to clean up these certain things that have happened. We have to take big business, big pharma, big zillionaires out of the political equation. We created a separate but equal democracy with citizens united. That's the plusy versus Ferguson case of our democracy, brown board of education overturned that we're 16 years out from citizen united. We have to overturn it.

And we got to put these rich people back in a box where they belong were one vote equals one. All right, I'm going to ask one final question, who are picked two people who would be each side, two people that you are like, those people could do that. I mean, listen, you know, you know,

“here's the thing, okay? Like your roommate Scott Galaway, okay? He's the type of guy that could”

actually pull it off. Honestly, I think he could pull it. Cuban, why you live? You don't think he could

like that could probably pull it off. But then they have to do something that is ridiculously

Lincoln asked in terms of its heroism. You got to piss every single person off in power to reframe the argument. Okay, Teddy Roosevelt got the Robert parents in place and said, hey, MS, we're going to break up your trust. We're going to knock out your monopolies. I got at these poor people, the tenements are coming down on them. And they're going to come after you with a pitch fork and a torch. You want them to set fire to your mansion, knock it off, knock it off. So it requires

“somebody that doesn't care about the power structure. And that's why I can't name somebody”

because everybody that's in the power cares about the power structure. I give a shit about the power structure. And that's to be you and me. That's what's going to happen. Well, you could have the top job, by the way. Okay, I'm going to give you the top shot. I don't want to touch. I would be so bad. I would be the red light therapy president. No way. Those things don't work. Don't work. Don't work. Don't work. But the sauna president, the sauna. Just being a sauna naked. I'll do

from there. Anyway, Anthony, as always fantastic. And I am with you. Thank you for inviting me back

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