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“- And I'm Scott Galloway. - What's going down Scott?”

- I'm just going down. Just life stuff all this moving parts around moving back to the U.S.

and then my youngest who always causes problems is now like all of a sudden getting a A's.

So it's in his school in London here, so that's trying to make your answer to everything. - That's kind of good though. That means he's capable of great things. - Well, we didn't do that. We just didn't want him to do it at this moment. - Well, you know what? He can do it anywhere. He can do it anywhere. He kids are very... - Malay. - Malay.

- Yes, I moved my, I'm going to read Jesus. Alex is right now taking a signal exam about the four-near transform. I don't even understand the things he sends me anymore. I'm like, "What?" He's like, "Let me explain it to you." - And I'm like, "That's a flux, get for him." He's doing fluid dynamics or I don't even know. - When I got an 1130 on the essay, I thought that was good. I called my mom and said, "No idea what that meant." But she was happy to celebrate with me. She didn't even know what the essay was.

Do you know how much things have changed? This is how I found out. This is how I found out. We were moving. My dad came home. I wasn't even sure what was going on with him and my mom. And introduced me to Linda, my new mom and Linda told me we had all moved. We were all moving to Columbus, Ohio because dad got a promotion.

“That's how I found out, not we were moving, but we had already moved.”

Like parents were in fact divorcing. So now we literally obsess. - You're sensitive to it. Let me say, I will give you a story. I moved a lot as a kid to. My mom was restless and so was my stepfather. But I didn't like it. I have to say, but we moved a lot.

- How many different schools were you? - Only two, maybe. It wasn't the schools. - It was houses like they were. - Oh, but in the same school region. - It was enough that it was not great. I remember thinking, not great. But let me tell you, my own older kids thing is we moved when Megan and I were getting a divorce. She got this offer from the Obama's President Obama to be the CTO.

- The CTO of America. - Yeah. - Again, another flex. - And that was, sorry, I mean, it's what it is. - No. - It's true. It's a plan. - She was, she was a medicine because she didn't want the kids to have to move from San Francisco where we had a beautiful house and they liked their school a lot. And everything else. And I thought, first of all, it's a great opportunity for you. Second of all, the kids will have a great time in Washington and get to spend time with like Obama and stuff like that. It's like one of this one of the lifetime opportunities.

But it was hard. We got them to school pretty quickly, but it was a big shift. And I felt because of my own childhoods of bad about it. And I have to say, I could have done some things better. I should have been there a little bit more complicated. But I have to say, they did great and it was, they were fine. And they really liked San Francisco and this was a shift.

“- Well, I think you're going through the same regrets and dilemmas that the primary breadwinner goes through. And what I would say is, having, unfortunately, in a couple of society, money opens too many opportunities.”

So that sacrifice, which was tough for them, you not being maybe as president as you would have liked, was harder on you.

- Just go with it. I'm trying to make myself feel better about not being around with my career. - But I have to say, I was, they, you know, they definitely, there was moving his heart with kids at the same time. I think they really benefited and they, they learned to adapt and they loved, they ended up loving their school and sports. And so it was, it was definitely not unrocky, but I think you, you have to give your kids more credit for being adaptable than you think. - Yeah, I just, I don't know. I pretend like I have any fucking saying this decision anyways, but so yeah, we were, yeah. - America, getting it back to America. - I always, I always go to, the reason why we're worried about this is because we don't have real problems.

- It's like, no. - No. - Oh, it's a normal thing to be worried about your kid. You want to, every one wants no matter where you are in the economic spectrum, you want your kids to do well, for the most part, most people do. - Anyway. - Yeah, but what you said about getting a chance to hang out with President Obama and go to all those wonderful museums, I've told my partner that my 15-year-old, I'm getting a fake idea and come to shame, I go with me. Talk to the, uh, lovely Russian ladies to make eye contact with me because they think he's so old, he must be rich.

“- No, you know what, New York's an amazing place to be, the age you will be. It'll be really interesting for him. I think it's just really a tremendous city. It really is.”

- I think I've said this before, you never know, it's like you don't know you're in the solid days until you out of them.

I know that the last, as I get older, and I'm already doing this, I'm already really, like painfully missing the period when my kids were like three and six, that, you know, Sunday morning came out and I have to say I love it. - Yeah, you just really, like, you really long for that, like that's the moment you want your attitude. - There's a solution you can have more kids like I did. - Unless my prostate is going to give birth, I don't think that something is, I don't think that's in the cards. - In any case, one of the statistics I think that I just read was the spent by the time they go to college.

“- 90% - You have spent 90% - Yeah, I've all time you're going to smell with them.”

- And that kills me. After I heard that I was like, "Last time my kids were crawling all over me. I was trying to eat dinner."

I was like, "Oh, and then I thought, fine, fine. It's fine." - Yeah, my son's doing orientation at his college, and it's a one day thing I'm like, "Let's go for four days. We'll just hang out." - Yeah, yeah. - And he's like, "No, I don't want to hang out." - Yeah, it's cats in the cradle, my friend. Anyway, I love that song. We got to get to news though, there's so much going on about that. Listen, President Trump plans to install big tech names like Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Olson, and Jensen Wong to technology council to weigh in on AI policies.

- And other issues we have in Biden? - AI policy. Buy more of my shit. - Buy more of my shit. - Buy more of my shit. - Buy more of my shit. - Buy more of my shit. - Buy more of my shit. - Buy more of my shit. - The rest of everybody who has a different alternative view that these are the only experts. I would say our invitation is lost, or the dog ate our invitation, but he hates dogs, so Trump ate our invitation.

I just don't, this list is nobody who has any doubt about it. Nobody who has any good research. No one who's interests are not aligned with it. No regulation with any kind. - Any conflicts everywhere. - Everywhere. I just, - What do you know, Jensen Wong's a big fan of selling being able to sell his chips in China, despite the fact that the chips that you do war games with in track are Ohio Class 7. - Yeah, Larry Ellison wants more data centers, and you know, I just, this, oh God, these people.

“You think if you were a real president, and I think this guy is losing it every single day, including the polls, which are just like, look out below.”

But it's really amazing that he doesn't want other inputs, like that may vary from his rich friends.

It's just, I find it, it's, it's just not good policy, not to have people who doubt each other and debate it. I just, I don't understand. - Yeah. - We're waiting for him, but even just you, even you, if he needs the white guys. - Even you. - Well, you're good. - I love that, why thank you, even you, I mean. - I mean, you're the white guy, not gonna have me. I'm irritating to all of these people, and so, you know, I'm just saying. - I'm just saying. - You, speaking of which. - Oh, yeah. - Someone was, someone said, I don't know, and one of these many platforms, which are just so good for your mental health.

That Cara was a total shill for Big Tech, and I, I wrote, "Do you realize, I have been on, when you go on a board, and they don't want you on the board, they stick you on the nominating in government. - No, I have to fucking literally no power. - In your job, your job is to find new directors, and it's just, it's literally like, you know, put them at the weird kids table.

And were you supposed to recruit new board members? If you weren't such a pain in the ass to these people, you'd be fucking chairman of SpaceX right now.

“- Because, over the last 20 years, we have correctly started saying, all right, let's try and broaden the aperture and bring in candidates who potentially don't look smell and feel like us and aren't members of the same country club.”

So, a journalist, a gay journalist who's covered tech, you were built in a factory of the lesser board. - We're gonna go on a board next year. Well, let's discuss that, you know. - I know, but the reason I mean this sincerely to have me on. - The reason you haven't been invited to be on. - I was invited to one, I was invited to one. - Okay, but the reason you haven't been invited to half a dozen is because you get in their face. And on boards, nobody's gonna put, they don't mind someone who has alternative opinions of whatever, but ever since, quite frankly, I'll be blunt, ever since I started becoming more outspoken on podcasts.

- Yeah. - I used to get invited going on three or four boards a year, it's gone way down. - Wow, interesting. - Because the public CEO's like, the public CEO's like, okay. - No.

“- Let's call him, let's bring him in, let's talk to him, but I don't want him in my board room.”

- Yeah, let me address something though, in this week, I gave a thing at Syracuse University, they asked me this amazing tone.

- Orange men. - The orange men. And, you know, I was talking about things that I've talked about a lot about CNN and the L.S. Insowning it and this and that. And where AI is going. - Ooh, a little controversy, this is gonna start a little controversy, I just want to say that I find David Ellison, very attractive. - I do too. - And Larry Ellison is a nice guy. - He's a nice guy. - He's a nice guy, he's a nice guy, he's a nice guy, he's a nice great move. - I would absolutely love to work for them. - Yes, okay. This is what happened. I was telling things I've said a hundred and nine times before, I don't want to work for a tech mogul, I don't.

I just never have. Walt and I didn't take money for a media mogul. - As opposed to a media mogul for media mogul? - Yes, yes.

- Yeah, I'm telling challenges, so you'd rather work for a word for Murdoch and Larry Ellison. - We left Rupert Murdoch, my friend. - You did work there. - You did work there.

“- You can't just check. - Fast as I could get out, I got out. - How long were you there?”

- Hold on, hold on, hold on. How long were you there? - Just like two years before we could get out. - You were there two years? - No, I was there a long time, but he didn't buy it for a while. In any case, Scott, we left Newscarp because of Rupert Murdoch and that behavior around the. Taping of that dead girl was awful. - It was awful, we left like very soon after, and we on purpose. - This is the voice-mail thing? - Yes. - Oh, good. - I know, exactly. So we did that, and we took money, we were offered money from Silicon Valley, ventricapples, and we took money from Terry Semmel, who had a media fund. - Yeah, yeah, who's CBS?

- Yeah, anyway, he's a lovely guy, amazing guy, amazing person, he had a media fund, and then we took money from NBC, but we were offered ventricappling money and we didn't take it because I was like these fuckers. They're gonna fuck me, like that was a, and also-- - There's a word for that ventricapitalist. - Yeah, exactly, go ahead. - But anyway, we didn't take the money, and then I just don't want to work for tech people. I've said that to you on this podcast, it does in fucking times, right? Have a night, it doesn't.

So I repeat that again, but what I did was Scott McFarlane, who left CBS, and is now with Midas type, who's just very fast growing thing, and they're going into news now, instead of just news aggregation, which is a cool thing.

And Scott is an astonishing journalist, he did an amazing job around the January 6th, and the Justice Department is astonishing very handsome man, by the way, you would love his handsomeness.

Very tough, and he went to Syracuse. And so he was the MC, and as a joke, he was like, you know, he was talking about going independent, oh no, because he looks like an ad for an anchor, a typical TV anchor. And he was, you know, he's like, oh, goodness, I'm taking a big leap, and I was like, oh, it's going to be great, and I said to him, I said, you made the right decision, and I was looking directly at him and joking, I'm like, you don't want to work for the elephants, I mean, he's a terrible person, I was just like laying it on as a joke.

The whole crowd laughed, I was not, I don't think Larry Allison's a terrible person, he's got, he's actually very funny, I don't agree with them on a lot of things, he's an amazing entrepreneur, he has great aesthetic taste. By the way, and his, his boats are fantastic. Like, I was joking to Scott McFarlane directly, and somehow these reporters were like Kara Swisher thinks Larry Allison is a terrible person. And it was crazy, and it's also all the things I've said before many times, like, it's, it's kind of weird, and then it became a thing, whatever, I, by the way, let me just be clear, I like David Allison, he's a nice guy, Larry Allison is a tough dude, I'm sorry, he really is.

And people can dislike him because he's had a really, he's been a tough, custom cowboy of over the many years, that said, I do think he's very innovative and is done at astonishing things. And so, but I don't want to work, I don't want to work for tech people, I don't, and that, that's perfectly, you know, legitimate and frankly, the decisions they've made, been terrible around stuff that concerns me, and that worries me of them taking over salmon. So what big deal?

I know, I'm sure this CNN people are like, it's premiering soon, and she insults the new owners, I mean, I'm, I'm being very serious, I get, I'm speaking in.

One of these events tonight, anyways, but I get a huge amount of power for my atheism because I find it very comforting to know at some point, everyone I'm worried about is going to be dead and so on. Yeah. I find it actually quite liberating, you realize, okay, squeeze all the juice you can out of this lemon called life because we're going to be dead soon and take risks, and if you fuck up, it really doesn't matter. We are on the same wavelength. No, in a hundred years, no one can just remember us, right? That if we care about.

Anyway, moving on, the Pentagon, this is troubling to me, is sending roughly 2,000 troops from the 82nd Airborne Division to the Middle East as of this recording.

“There's been no decision to put, I hate this expression boots on the ground, but that's what it is.”

Trump is talking a lot of talk this week, saying the war has actually been won, Iran wants to make a deal, and negotiations are happening right now, even as Iran disputes that. And I hate to say it, but I believe Iran, and I don't like the people who are running Iran. And he said he got a gift from Iran calling it a very big present worth a tremendous amount of money and tied to oil and gas. I think he's just making shit up now. He's also sent Iran a 15 point plan to end the war demands including dismantling nuclear sites ending enrichment and reopening the straight of poor moves.

We certainly had some of those things in place before, and as potential talks may or may not be taking shape. There reports that Iran would prefer to deal with Vice President JD Vance over Jared Kushner and Steve Witkov. Wow, that's a choice, right? That's a choice, but I would agree with the Iranians on that. And Bance has been the person who, you know, it's going to be running for president and could possibly be president and also has been opposed to the war quietly.

“That he certainly ran on the idea of no more wars and he's also a veteran. I don't know. What do you think about that?”

It's all, I mean, I go to the markets. You know, so there was an unusual amount of futures that changed hands. Please talk about this. Well, I believe that in a digital world where forensics and AI and investigative journalists, one of the wonderful things about America is that people see incentive and finding out what actually went down. And I think that's one of the wonderful things about our society.

“I think you're going to see President Trump four or five years post his presidency sitting in front of a camera in a jury pretending to be too old and they just doesn't remember him telling his buddies, his friends, his family members.”

To buy, buy, buy, that oh, I think I'm going to announce that the talks are going really well, even though according to the Islamic Republic, there are no talks. Which will send the markets skyrocketing and then when it comes out 24, 48 hours later, that in fact there are no talks and then the markets oil surges again and the markets go down. This is an insider traders. It's right from the White House. It's right from the White House. I think those key could not have trimmed of the situation. The ability to trade on these on near certainty. The president knows that if he just, he can say any, he believes he can say anything he fucking wants. It doesn't matter. I can lie. I can be full of shit. Just put out press releases. It doesn't matter kind of the, you know, funding secured over and over.

Yeah, and I know that the markets will respond swiftly to my comments. There is now zero day options where you can buy options that expire by the end of the day. And I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that sometimes the president doesn't have that much fidelity to rule of law or conflicts of interest. I find it like this has happened over and over again. There is, they must just, he must just say things well on the toilet and people then trade or whatever and you know, interestingly, let me know lawmakers are introducing bipartisan bills to ban prediction markets from listing there's a lot of action on this now from listing sports bets and to prohibit members of Congress from trading in certain markets.

And the heat calcium plants to block athletes coaches and officials from betting on their sports and political candidates from trading on their campaigns and Pauli market announced.

Finally, enhanced market integrity rules, including banning trading on stolen confidential information. I mean, this has happened rather quickly and quite, it's quite important that this happened.

You know, it's really, it's just graphed. It's just out and out graphed that these numbers and you know that Democrats are prepared this is like so deep in the heart of easy to prove, right, this kind of stuff and who's doing it.

The Democrats engage in what I'll call small cap corruption and that is it's not illegal to trade stocks right now is if you're a US Congress person and even though there are regulations and guidelines against it, the fines is a slap on the wrist. The incentives are if I'm sitting in a, you know, the Senate, if I'm on the defense committee or the intelligence committee and we're talking about a 30 billion dollar contract to North or Grumman and it looks like it's going to go through and my guess is North or Grumman will put out a press release in 72 hours.

Hey, honey, hey, Paul Pelosi. I really like North rub and I just want to be even handed here. It's got you do this every time this is like massive corruption in a different this corruption on a different scale, but it's still corruption it is, but you tend to go right to Nancy Pelosi who's leaving Congress we we know we should have passed these.

Because because in order to be taken seriously, we have to be critical thinkers and apply to both sides of the aisle.

And so let's look at the data over the last what is it 20 years the S&P is tripled and the Pelosi portfolio is up sevenfold. And nothing she has done is illegal this is a certain type of corruption what Trump is done is said, okay, that's small ball. Your corrupt from millions I'm going to be corrupt for billions because what he's done it's I'm not sure it's illegal, but we've never we've been dependent upon and very gold water predicted this 50 years ago. I'm in two dependent upon a series of norms as opposed to laws and slowly but surely seeded power absolutely right so Trump says, oh, everyone's doing it Marjorie Taylor green was everyone and not everyone.

Significant number of people in Congress have been trading stocks and being market Mark Wayne Mullin was one of them.

“They can and also in my solution I think they should make I think people in Congress.”

I think representatives should make a million dollars a year and senator should make $2 million a year.

I agree. Every they make I think a hundred and sixty eight or hundred seventy thousand years small. If you have two homes and you're living in DC and you you weren't rich before running for a car. We should pay for their apartments. I mean, you can't afford you can't afford.

We should have these nice apartments for them that are actually secure so put make the more secure. I think the Singapore model the probably the best run nation in the world the Singapore model they pay the elected officials a lot of money and they have zero tolerance. You cannot go to work for a lobbying firm or a power company there has to be a sunlight period or what do they call it sunshine period. You cannot in any way have any inside domain benefit in any way. We find out you've called your cousin in the Philippines and here she is trading stocks.

You're probably going to get lashed. Yeah. That's literally what it's like at the same point. I want to know there's no corruption. Anyways, my he has taken it to an absolutely new level, but just certainly back where I started.

We're going to find out that the greatest levels volume of insider trading and history are happening and originating at a Pennsylvania Avenue. Absolutely.

“I think there's there are people talking about whether it's trees in us or not to release this things because these are these are boots on the ground that could get hurt and everything else.”

So there's a whole level of complexity here because they're betting on possible deaths of Americans and others. I don't know what you're going to say. So far they've given. It hasn't suffered that badly. You would talk about a real decline in the market.

Is this the thing that we'll pull it off first.

The thing that Paul you mean. There's a signal there's a few signals here one. The scariest signal is we have amphibious ships and combat marine marine's being deployed to the region. This is either you could argue it's just plain poker or in fact he's planning to put. Okay, and the terminal I boots on the ground and card and maybe do a swap where. I'll let the oil flow through card if you ensure the straights of more mousers are of safe passage.

There's all sorts of game theory going on here. He has a tendency to lie.

“And then before before a quote unquote surprise attack which I think is bad for our brand long term America has to be seen is doing what they say and meaning what they say.”

I mean. But anyways. Sending vans is a signal because.

Well, but the Iranians want vans. And this is quite frankly, this is a signal that for the people who want this to end because vans is on the record of saying. For a long time that these types of misadventures overseas were bad ideas. He's been really quiet.

“Oh, he hasn't. He's like, I think I won't listen. Let's let's got the sent to that.”

The last thing he wants to do is get on with Kristen Welker and have her bring up about 5 million.

Hi, tapes and where he said, under no sir, World War three under Biden, we could should never get into these quagmires overseas. There's just he's trying his best to justify.

He is literally just doing everything he can to stay out of the way of Mike's in camera. He's literally hiding behind the curtain. He's like, don't ask me. He's done a few like real pretzel moves that are really problematic. But the IRGC probably believes correctly. He's more likely to be empathetic to want to deescalate. So this is a good side. The fact that the Trump administration is entertaining this, he both sides, I think he is probably the guy. They can find common ground here.

“Well, we'll see. But Rubio's perceived as a bit of a hawk. A lot of people think he's the shadow president right now. What has been the most militarily adventurous administration in a long time.”

And they're planning Cuba next, which is like, I mean, leave let them die themselves. They're already on their last legs, just let them fall and then we'll move in the hotels. I'm sorry, under the auspices of having an opinion about shit, I have no domain expertise in. Let me just say that the smartest thing we could do. Chia politically as it relates to Cuba would be to be sending humanitarian aid at the right now. If you want the people to rise up and think, you know, the Americans aren't that bad. Maybe we should normalize relations at some point the Castro family will die out.

It would be, starting our hat white and sending power fuel and food to Cuba right now. Yeah, it worked out so well for the county administration. But what's really interesting is this is all having an effect Democrats pulled off a surprising win in Florida actually a pair of them, but one that was particularly surprising flipping two legislative seats, including the district that covers Mara Laga, like he now has a democratic representative.

Emily Gregory, a first time candidate with a background in public health, one by a little over two points astonishing. This was a big Trump.

District Trump is taking a social media to support her opponent, obviously in President Trump, who's called voting by mail cheating voted by mail in the election. I mean, the list of things Democrats of one recently is really something else to see them winning in all sorts of districts and from people I know down there, they're just furious at him. They're really are. These are all his fans like or people who voted for him.

“And it's really, it's I'm not sure I think people I think they're going to try to steal the election. I don't think it's going to be possible giving the overwhelming numbers that are going to happen.”

And another thing that's affecting him and these are two topics as we record negotiations to end the five week DHS shutdown or stand still with Congress scheduled to go to recess any minute. The Republicans have brought a number of possibilities to Trump, but he's turned them all down and the Democrats are sticking. The sticking points are still ice funding and enforcement reforms. Very simple things. Don't wear masks. Bring in judicial warrants and and and cameras. TSA officers will miss in their paycheck this Friday if the deal hasn't reached.

On Tuesday morning, Delta Airlines suspended specialty services for members of Congress. They're going to have to wait and line like everybody else, which I think is great. All of them you said in your last show that grounding private planes might move the needle. And I love that Delta and others are pushing back to TSA is pushing back against ice. Great move by Delta. Great great brand enhancing brilliant fucking move by Delta.

And no one likes ice there like their you they TSA has said it's useless. The airlines think it's useless. It's there was a pilot that got on social media where he's like this fucking sucks people and I have to say this is all at Donald Trump's door because he's refusing to deal because of the same act and letting people wait and line. I love that Congress people have to wait and line. I love it. And so talk about this win and Mara logo and what's happening with TSA because besides Iran, this is yet another series of things that are indicators leading indicators.

District 87 Palm Beach County as you notice includes you know White House Florida.

And a really impressive young woman. I love this. I'm really interested 40 year old small business owner and military spouse running for office for the first time.

And I think that's a great thing. I think that's a great thing. I think that's a great thing.

And Nate, it looks like Nathan won and received over 400,000 in kind of contributions from the Florida Republican senator out campaign committee the previous Republican incumbent Jay Collins won the seat by 10 points in 2022 and this all bubbles up to the most shocking exciting in somewhat it almost I'm almost worried we're peaking too early right now now the prediction markets.

Josie is saying for the first time that it's more likely than not the Democrats take the Senate.

We when have we heard that everyone has said everyone the narrative so far from what all the experts is it's likely very likely Democrats will get control of the house, but the map is really difficult for Senate really difficult like looking at the people and now people more people are betting their money on Democrats taking the Senate this is it's well I think the Democrats are fielding much better candidate this woman and seems I love her. I love her I was like I love you she was focusing in a maternal health and affordability issues you know you have Abby Spanberger in Virginia you've got Mickey Cheryl you got oh even my daughter people good candidates.

“Calarico yeah Calarico and not just center swan's just really good everywhere I think fresh ideas yeah fresh ideas you know tough regular size prostate still child bearing actually think about kids actually have kids at home.”

I feel I feel really good about the candidates and the trump ones look like a bunch of cult members are accolades that really hate him secretly and by the way let me stress to everybody if you hang around Republicans off the record they eviscerate trump on the record they suck up and it makes them. So awful like at least at the Democrats fight in public I guess and they do but it's really it's really something to see what's happening here that was I think there's in the Mara logo one is particularly notable obviously.

across the country in places where Democrats have never won Georgia Kansas all these places they're they're knocking up wins and and so that that creates a real opportunity of Democrats walk into it I think so far on the local level like this candidates have been speaking what they're listening to voters and they're they're not I don't think they're just mouthing things like I think they actually are concerned with what what do voters want this is our customers and we're going to give them what they want anyway delta let's give delta big old.

Oh this I'm I'm I'm at the CEO there and a good friend of mine's on the board the whoever whoever came up with this idea.

Except that is one of the most brand-enhancing thoughtful egalitarian American thing this was such an amazing.

Corporate move and it directly and again it flies in the face of or not flies in the face it supports what I believe is the greatest commercial opportunity I just had a phone call with I think one of the most thoughtful business leaders in America who runs an iconic investment bank and I said to him.

“The greatest commercial opportunity in a long time has been presented and that is any thoughtful non add hominin non personal attack discussing values of American how they have been so incredibly important to our capital markets.”

To do a diary on moody and now to a certain extent with delta airlines is saying and to say no this is a direct of front on the Trump administration.

Well what this is saying is people don't know the people blame Trump in the Republicans mostly for the shutdown so by them saying. This is unacceptable but delta saying this is unacceptable and our leadership who has fucked this up by quite frankly demanding that the save act be a part of this or ice funding.

“We are no longer going to engage in investigating this.”

Wet in line we're getting the back of the line back in the line which is great all right we think it's great get back in the line it lines suck by the way. And it's terrible for the TSA people who deserve to be paid and ice people are being paid and they're doing nothing but buying coffee and irritating people. They headed out water in the line through security how stupid can you be anyway okay Scott let's go on a quick break we come back meta and YouTube are found libel in the first of the social media addiction lawsuits.

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Met a must pay 4.2 million dollars and YouTube 1.8 million is not very much money she asked for a billion.

The case focused on features like infinite scroll and algorithmic recommendations as a reminder both tick talk and snap settled before the trial began. Meta has also been found liable for failing to protect young people from online dangers in a new Mexico case. They are met a must pay 375 million a little more but still a parking ticket for this company the company made 160 times that revenue last quarter. These verdicts are the first in social media addiction trial social media impact trials as the new our post cover said met a copa which we love we love Scott what do you think here we go we're that we're over the edge with juries involved juries are tired of social media.

I generally want to get your viewpoint on a by my initial instinct is that this is actually a big deal and it's not about it's as you said it's not about the parking tickets to the minute shoot it's that there's now legal precedent for what the activities these terms engage in is makes them civilly at least liable. And the other piece of information I got that found fascinating is their insurance companies are trying to reject the claims saying that they intentionally they knew they were intentionally doing this and so they're not covered by insurance.

And my sense is it's not about this case it's that the other several hundred or several thousand cases against these terms just got a lot stronger because of this decision. Yeah, there's a real there's a real backup you know this has been something you and I've been talking about I went back you think yes.

In fact rolling over for them but both biobama and trump of course because it takes money from them. You know I think their high watermark was standing in with trump at the inaugural I think this was was in this was starting to be in place when people realized after January six I think that the social media has a real impact and it's been a slow burn that's for sure and our. Regulators have done nothing let me just say not in states in our federal regulators and I don't mean to say Amy clobochar and others have not tried I just think they have not been successful because of the pushback.

And in this case I think you're going to see furious pushback by these companies even for this small and amount right this tiny amount of money they're there because they don't want any accountability for what they're doing they want to skate out of responsibility.

Because now it's in front of juries and every person knows addiction is an issue sloppy management is an issue and threats to kids are an issue.

I saw you on Anderson Cooper last night and I mean and you had it I thought was exactly the right point and we were talking about this and that is. The nation is actually pretty good at recognizing externalities and harm it just doesn't act crispy took about 30 years with tobacco. 20 years with opiate social in on mobile and 2012 it feels like that time is about right that about a 2032 unfortunately and I'm personally agreed quite frankly my kids got fucked up on these things. You know your kids your first generation year older kids Alex and Louie had to endure this and my senses they've come through a pretty pretty pretty on-skate they have less of it they have less of it it wasn't quite you know they were.

“The zero ground zero I think my kids were near a blastone but not the same quite thing I think they they like YouTube they were a little bit on snapchat you know what I mean but it wasn't as intense and hateful as it as it became.”

As big tech always does this praise on the poor because if I had these devices and a mother who was gone before I got up in the morning and got home after sometimes after I was asleep because she was working and I was totally unsupervised. I had YouTube and snap and you porn and meta and in Facebook I think I just would have been on these things all damn day long and as I was going through puberty my brain would have been wired for constant squeezing of a dope a bag which I believe could have very easily taken me away.

I used to leave my house to go hang out with my friends because I was so bored I'm not sure I would have left my house.

But you wouldn't why would you why would you I mean one of the things that they've done and I think as as these cases come to for the discovery is going to be brutal I mean I think they know it there's all kinds of evidence that they know it in this case a lot of stuff came out that they want to they want to attract tweens because their lifelong customers right. It's like cigarette it's literally like Joe camel when you read this stuff if you put cigarette in there and the what's incredible here is actually believe the cigarette manufacturers knew exactly the problem.

“I think these guys think that they're not that's not their fault it's never their fault and then they hide behind the first amendment.”

Hey, it's just people talking and there was a great story in the Washington Post today about Republicans worried about young Republicans being so anti-Semitic Nazi focused sort of hateful and where do you think this comes from and again I don't blame them fully I don't I don't I don't think it's fully but they've created. Addictive and necessary features without any kind of guardrails in place or any kind of it's not like they're like hey let everything go and I think that's it's sort of like their evil babysitters right in some fashion and at some point the babysitter has to get.

And in some way that that's they consider themselves it's not their fault if people eat their shitty food I you know what I mean like our tainted meat it's okay you know and of course everyone else gets regulated but them.

“Yeah, I think the argument would be we don't get any credit for all the good we.”

Why are there parades right that we the people do learn people do. It helps them with their homework they do make connections you know parents of kids with childhood rare her childhood diseases social media does that a lot of value it creates tremendous economic growth a lot of high paying jobs they would argue we're a net good and I would argue that's actually true the problem is with the word net.

And that is we're not beneficiaries from fossil fuels and pesticides but we still have we still have a clean air act we still have an EPA we still have an FDA right and this is.

And they cleaned it up they cleaned it up and unfortunately happening here then fortunately that I thought of it yesterday I was trying to think I was asked to go on and talk about this and I instead I decided to go on and drink.

The I was saying okay is this the beginning of the end it's not you know this is this is the end of the beginning these for this industry is not going anywhere but the era of.

We need to do better from Cheryl Samberg or Mark Zuckerberg weaponizing thousands of lawyers and lobbyists to delay and off you skate and gloss over the internal research that showed one out of twelve. I do think that era is coming to a close and the the my favorite part of the case is that.

“There was an undercover operation I think from the attorney general in New Mexico where they posed they created accounts posing as an 11 year old girl which was almost immediately inundated with images and targeted solicitations from wait for it.”

That's right so it took the attorney general about 48 hours to figure this shit out and we're supposed to believe that meta wasn't aware of it yeah we don't believe that and either did the jury by the way. We're going to want to say but I got to say one I did quote you last night on Anderson where you say you know we're bound by the law but not protected by it and they're protected by law not bound by it now they're bound by it and they are going to fight their asses off you know what Mark just pay the money and fix it like.

Just stop like stop because the more they resist the more a growing group of people bipartisan across the country recognizes the damage these companies and and then of course the same day Donald Trump names all of these people to a.

“Committee on AI with not narrow a critic on it right everybody with self interest is on that that that advisory committee and nobody who's going to talk about the possibilities of problem only up into the right and once again.”

They're going to try to do it and let me tell you folks we need to stop them now because the damage they will do they have shown no no ability.

Control themselves you need age gay no one under the age of 18 it's beyond anything and we hate to say that I have to say I hate to say that but this is where we are. Okay Scott moving on I want to start our next story by playing a prediction you made just last week. My prediction is open a high source social media app will be shut down soon or a well what do you know you know something no I don't I have done no original reporting trust me.

I've done this and I've done this so it came out at number one in the app store and actually got more downloads out of the gates then chat should be teated.

You're right I still think you had insight information open a announced this week that it's discontinuing the sore app this is the video app they're doing just months after launching it. This reportedly one of several steps the company is taking a refocus the business ahead of its potential IPO Sam Altman says the sore team will now shift to prioritizing longer term bets like robotics.

“As for the Disney deal they did at the time if you remember Scott and I talked about it a one billion dollar investment in open air which we thought they weren't really going to give them that and it was just a little experiment.”

That included licensing characters for sort of Disney is out Disney's out it was more repressed really sending it so talk about this prediction I just so I'll also note open a is closing in on a deal to raise about ten billion dollars from investors bringing its latest funding around. Hall to more than a hundred and twenty billion dollars geez of the fucking we talk about this I mean they've had to shift very quickly I don't what they're doing in robotics but they should just focus on their core business seems to me but.

So it's on this what did you know come on tell me the true care care care I don't I don't enjoy talking about myself or taking credit for what is arguably one of the most precinct. Productions of the year tech now oh my god so good I got to say I was like he was right. My nipples are hard touchdown Jesus I approved I am hard it's not your bolter when you was thin and cadants yeah this is the latest for the for the people tuning in on the YouTube channel watch his shoulders. Hello to resist this feudal.

And I think that's a very good idea of the day and research team that feeds me with every good idea ever have and this young man named and she'll on I said I need a prediction for pivot today any routes source going to be closed down and he gave me a bunch of data.

“So I can't take credit for this as usual I take credit for but it was my team that they can't get a prediction.”

But it doesn't because a lot of apps go up and down right and many like took forever for me to really kill off this was the first.

Okay, open it didn't shut down so or a anthropic dead. Yeah, the of all the new of all the incremental or new dollars being being won by AI companies in the enterprise market. It used to be 60% of new dollars being spent on AI from the enterprise we're going to open AI it's dropped to 30 cents on the dollar and a thropic has.

“Scream to 70 cents on the incremental dollar being spent by the enterprise on AI why because see above.”

Biggest commercial opportunity in history say no to the Trump administration and also to be fair anthropics new products are just outstanding.

They have got so much to say they have more momentum right now than any better in the world they're better they're better it's like when you were using browsers I remember using explorer and then I mean that's gaping in explorer was better but then so. You know it was it was it was like that you're like oh that's like Google there was a lot of search engine and then it was like oh this is better this is better. And then to open AI's credit and Sam's credit and the boards credit they've said okay the best business strategy when you're starting to wobble by frankly is focus moved fast I would agree focus we okay folks it and by the way my.

It doesn't end with sore of folks in terms of shit that's about to be closed down and that's going to be my prediction at the end of at the end of the show. You can have to focus you knew this product wasn't working it was hemorrhaging money the whole visual space around AI just hasn't paned out the way people. So it's not yeah it's not it's so interesting the one. Customs just was what's one of the most interesting things about Amazon is it started in books and books is probably being the least disrupted industry it's gone into the book publishing industry although it's been consolidated is actually still pretty strong big advances.

Agents are still making money independent book sellers are actually making a topic come back anyways, but what's so interesting I find about if you'd said what's going to happen to designers 24 months ago. You would have said oh like customer service and mediocre lawyers they're just going to get cleared out by sore and I forget Google's one and what's interesting is as a percentage of the employee base. The number of designers is actually gone up attack companies because it's the coding that is being commoditized but the front end human faced UI design really compelling is now the point of differentiation but because these things is AI I've played with this stuff it's just not very good.

But you know the only thing I like is when they show they like do all these like they have celebrities like they did a game thrones in high school some of it's fun but it's like it's sort of like minute and then you're like okay now I want to look at something real. I think the human eyes the matter of her it did exhaust it is the human eye is like hmm not so I don't think you get used to it either everyone's like oh kids will get used to it I'm like it's ruined animal videos. I don't think so yeah animal videos remember how amazing animal videos were amazing because when you saw when you saw a normal or a beluga whale retrieving a nerf football from adventures or scientists in the Antarctic or wherever the fact that was you like this is an incredible moment.

I don't care I don't it's not real I don't know they make weird agree I agree and that's it's just it's not satisfying in a way that real is I have to say and I do think to human I could it's just years ago when I was at the MIT Media Lab when they were having problems with robotics that talk to you you know on a screen and it was always the eyes there's something wrong with the eyes and humans perceive.

The voice I'm telling you though if AI starts producing cute cute pictures of babies seeing or hearing for the first time I'm out I'm working off of their platform.

“I would agree and it has to be real those things change my day those things are my mood lifter amazing prediction once again you have to triumphed anyway.”

All right Scott let's go on a quick break when we come back we'll talk about the return of the Amazon phone. Hi I'm Bernab Ram and I'm Adam Grant and we're here to invite you to the curiosity shop.

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“What's it like to talk to a digital twin of a relative who died before you were born?”

This week on solutions with Henry Blodgett I talked to writer and artist Amy Kurzweil about just that. She helped her father famed inventor and futurist Ray Kurzweil build a chatbot based on her grandfather. We discuss how increasingly life like digital representations of people will change human relationships, especially how we grieve and how AI is forcing us to reckon with what consciousness even means. Follow solutions with Henry Blodgett to hear our conversation. Scott we're back with more news. Amazon is reportedly getting back into the phone business working on a new device internally known as oh my good God the transformer according to Reuters.

That's what much of idiots they are. This would potentially be an AI driven phone that sinks with a lexon could eliminate the need for traditional apps. Oh sure why not. Details are slim. There's no clear timeline or pricing and sources say the project could be scrap priorities or finances change. So that's a lot of nabies. But let's not forget Amazon's last phone for a ride. I have not forgotten it since I wrote about it.

It's creation and decline the fire phone which launched in 2014 and quickly flopped leading to a hundred and seventy million dollars right down. And I remember getting said it. I was like, it's like the home, the Facebook home.

“I kept getting sent these things. I'm like, what is this?”

And like I'm calling Steve Jobs immediately because I need to talk to someone who knows how to make these things. Why would Amazon have a phone? I want you to give me the argument why it's a good idea despite there. And I think people fail at things and they come back. But I don't feel like Amazon is my device place. I think they got knocked over in the in the audible space. I think they got knocked over in the the reader space.

I mean it's still a business but it's not it's not if on fire got knocked out by the iPad in a lot of ways. And he thought it's on the phone from Amazon and why give me the argument. Well the argument could be that it becomes a new piece of the flywheel around Amazon Prime. And that is if you're an Amazon Prime, lost member, you get a very competent phone that perhaps has even better bandwidth because project hyper starts to pay off and they have satellite base connectivity.

So what this is is potentially I would imagine in you know the conference rooms where Amazon strategy group person incredibly bright people are saying. Yeah they need a thing. Well what if why don't we go after Android and that is we can offer people. Oh okay. We can offer people an unbelievable phone for free as part of their Amazon Prime membership.

And then say and get off of AT&T and we'll wrap it all into the greatest loyalty program in history, which is Amazon Prime. It is indeed. So I think there's a really solid argument.

The problem is this all works on a whiteboard and then people hold these phones.

The Facebook phone, the Amazon fire and they go, I don't like it. The Microsoft phones. Yeah all the all the handouts. And by the way just a shout out a colleague of mine who teaches brand strategy to another university called me and said saying that Apple shouldn't go into a lower price computer is all wrong. And he said he said my views on it were all fucked up and I just want to give him his props.

He said that look at all the luxury car brands. They were all shit posted for going into lower end models and it's expanded their share. And I thought that was a really good point. They're going to give people a really good version of it.

“And then you have to buy the shitty Del version.”

Yeah.

Well, all the Porsche purists said they should never launch an SUV.

They did it sells more than any other car in the Porsche lineup. And also Mercedes has an A class in Europe. They have they have what is it not the E the C class. Anyway. Well, if they don't do it too much, right?

You can't do it too much. You have to do it just three the two the one. Anyways, I just want to acknowledge the point because when we called me, it told me that some like, all right. So this is good. And right now I see.

Thank you. They this could be the in my opinion the biggest increase in shareholder value that's FALO is a function of the friction between silos at different companies. The new CO Disney should have something called Disney plus plus. And you get Disney plus videos.

You get free merchandise. You get the princess experience and most importantly when you come to the parks. It's on only Disney plus member stays where there are no lines and it would be the ultimate loyalty program. And Amazon if they keep if they added telco and a device and the Amazon prime.

You know, it's worth a couple billion dollars to investigate.

They don't do that. They don't do that often. You're right. They just like here you go free. Here's it's like a club and you would do that with Amazon because they do deliver really well.

The thing they do. The core stuff they do they do really well. The pre loaded free Amazon music free Amazon. The zooks or whatever they're there. They're autonomous.

Those are cool zooks. And just say, okay folks, we're going to take care of Amazon is I arguably trusted brand in the world right now. Yeah, type or take it off for that for. And they say, all right, you don't need you don't need to trust us when you're in front of the TV screen or the computer screen.

“You should trust us as much when you're in front of the I'm screen.”

The CEO, the one person running at the vision.

I'm supposed to meet with him anyway.

One more quick break will be back for predictions. Okay, Scott, let's hear a prediction. I'm going to say very quickly. Just so you know at the time of this taping space X is aiming to file its IPO within a week. And I predict I will not be asked on the board.

As you notice in the beginning, I predict that. People literally don't. If I was your financial cat, your wealth advisor and I kind of have been for the last few years. Yeah, you have. But if I got in a hole that you 10 or 15 years ago, I would have been like,

tone down the anti-musk anti-big tech thing. And we're going to make hundreds of millions of dollars on boards. I know. I know. I can't do it.

I just said. No, I can't do it. I just said as a joke. There is a terrible person. I can't help myself.

I was a joke. You can't.

“You know when you text me mean things to two in the morning.”

It's not a good idea. And you can't help yourself. You literally can't. I mean, some of them are very good. I can't help yourself.

I can't. I can't. I know I shouldn't drink as much as I do. By the way, speaking of I was right about these people, I was right. Anyway, your prediction, please.

Okay, so what do we have here? Open AI is in a five car alarm right now. In the last six months, they have. Oh, and by the way, this, this, have you seen the deals with this financing to top off the round with, I think it's TPG.

They are guaranteeing a 17 and a half percent return. What? Yeah, they're guaranteeing the, to top up the round. And in private equity, the deal is, it can deal is along the lines of the following. It kind of makes industrial sense, but it's a more of these circular related party deals.

“They're saying to these private equity firms.”

If you invest and top up my round, I'll give you. I'll guarantee you a 17 and a half percent return. Now, the idea is it makes kind of industrial logic, because all of these firms have massive, a massive portfolio company of firms, which likely means they're going to encourage these firms to adopt it in an enterprise level. Open AI products.

Open AI goes immediately. We get eat dog food is what you're saying. Yeah, we get industrial scale here. And because we're going public and Sam Sam's bankers have probably said, distinct of the problems, you're going to get ex valuation hundreds of billions, or even possibly

trillion dollar plus valuation. So he said to the private equity guys, I guarantee you a 17 and a half percent return on your money.

The problem is a guarantee at the top of the kind of the capital stack means that the people underneath them,

the investors might get squeezed out if they have the first, you know, if a decent amount of returns has to go to the top. But it is more of this kind of what I'll call shell game. And as long as things keep increasing, it's fine. But this is the kind of thing that could absolutely. Yeah, that's why.

Yeah, that's why. That's why they don't go. People like you, Scott, that's like a, let me pay you to be my friend. Well, this is, it's like it. It's a really, that's the most interesting component of the deal.

It's a, you never offer. I have never seen. It's a preferred return that aggregates. Would you do the best then, I would, I would want for open AI, I feel that what I would want to do is the following of just purely capitalist. I don't want allocation in the IPO because Sam is smart and salmon his bankers will say, okay, the first trade of this is likely going to be 80 bucks.

So let's price it at 50 so we can say we're the best performing IPO of the year. Yeah, I do those tricks. That's nothing new. It's a once in a lifetime branding event. The IPO.

So the investment banks have an incentive because they get take by shares at a discount. They get to give shares to their buddies and institutions at a discount. And the firm for a modest delusion three to five percent delusion gets a branding event that they're in the news for the rest of the years. The best performing IPO of the year or a great performing IPO of the year. So they leave, quite frankly, sex is going to leave.

They leave money on the table. And it's yet another transfer of wealth from the lower middle class. You don't have access to pre IPO or to the IPO. Do you think sex will leave them in the dust? Space X in terms of an IPO.

That'll be, that'll all be about valuation because while SpaceX has the biggest modes in the history of business as far as I can tell.

“They're talking about a $1.00 dollar valuation on 13 billion or 14 billion in rent.”

I mean, that's 100 times a revenue. So it's all about pricing. But anyway, so this, this, where I was headed is the following. It is a five-car alarm and Sam and his board are smart. They are focusing.

First area of focus. Sora, we barely knew you're gone. The next area of focus, it won't be a headline item. It'll be youth and nice slowly. It is I/O.

And that is the six and a half billion dollar acquisition of Johnny Iv's company to build hardware.

This is the metaverse on a smaller level. This is a Mark Zuckerberg's consensual hallucination cost meta shareholders 70 billion. This is going to cost six and a half billion to open AI. It was an all stock transaction. But there is no way if I am on the board and I am Sam Altman and I'm like, okay, play times order.

I am losing my core business, you know, anthropic. We need to focus that they're not going to, they're going to decide to not play in the traffic of hardware. So there's been delays. Technical difficulty. Unclear product definition.

High cost. I think I'd buy the Amazon phone first. So that's a bad answer. I think I wouldn't buy the Amazon. Brutal category.

“And then if you look at what's going on here.”

Persistent technical problems. All right. Of course. Compute constraints over on AI reliability privacy concerns interaction without screens. Basically, this isn't right now I owe or the division of quote unquote open AI's hardware products.

It's not just about execution risk. It's unsolved product physics. I love it. And the timeline, the timeline keeps slipping. I've been tracking this originally.

Let me give you a piece of advice that I heard a long time ago. Hardware is hard. Well, it was originally. It was originally expected around 2026. And now they're saying it's not shipping before 2027.

Guess what?

It's never going to ship.

All right. There's a prediction right there. All right. We'll see what happens. Anyway, great job on your prediction.

I like this new one. And by the way, next week. I just want people to know. Speaking of predictions. Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer in account and just told Congress.

They were never interviewed as part of a formal federal investigation. We're going to talk about this next week. Because we're not going to let Epstein out of the news either. Trump is making all sorts of hand waving to an order to pay it.

But this to me was a malpractice on the part of federal investigators. Any, you know, that they were not interviewed as part of a form. I mean, you might talk to the lawyer on account and seems to me. They might know a few things. In any case, we'll see where that goes.

We're going to talk about it next week. So I want to get that back. So can I just have one end of the cloud and the silver lining of these democratic wins? What?

We need a Nancy a speaker Pelosi like figure who understands how to tell the children what, okay, the grown-up is here. This is what you need to do. Is good as things are for Democrats on a, on a, on a Senate and on a congressional election level?

We are about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And while no one was looking, we're about to elect a president of the fourth largest economy who's going to be a Republican. Because of the jungle voting construct in California?

We'll talk about that Monday. We are probably going to elect a Republican unless Democrats get their heads out of their ass. Yes, I'm just dropping out. I'll do a little.

I've been contacted by every one of those democratic candidates and also Steve Hilton who I know well. I haven't heard from Chad sheriff. Gavin Newsome and Chuck Schumer.

“You need to start promising these Democrats something”

and getting them out of the race. Getting them out of the race. They also had to cancel a thing. The whole thing is a fucking mess. And it's suicidal.

It's suicidal. It's really weird. And by the way, Governor Newsome, who I am a huge fan of. If you don't show some backroom dealing here, and make sure that the next that your Arab parent

isn't a Democrat. It's really going to hurt your chances of getting the nomination. It is. Okay, before we go, I just want to say my brother, Jeff, who was a friend of our pivot,

had emergency surgery this week. Hard surgery. He had a blocked. I don't know what. But he had to put a stamp put in.

And it was because he was on Kaiser or something like that. And he went on Medicare. And the intern is said to him. You should check your calcium levels.

Turned out he had 80 to 90 percent blockage.

It's called the Widowmaker. The issue. And he got it all cleaned out. And he's doing great. But one of the things he said for me to tell you is,

make sure you all check things like that. And get it. Check up. I just thank goodness. That this didn't happen because he would have died of this.

So I wanted to give him a shout out.

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