Meta’s Massive Settlement, Bill Gates’ AI Warning, and Remembering Dolly Parton

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I love that so much. Today I'm joined by Chief White House correspondent at Anchor of the Source with Caitlyn Collins, the very same Caitlyn Collins. Good to see you. How does Scott feel about that intro?

What do you think? You saw him more recently than I did, I saw a photograph of the two of you. I did run into him, it's so funny to see Scott out in the wild, it's seeing a teacher when

“you're in the sixth grade out there, how are you doing here on vacation?”

Yeah, did you see that? What was he doing there? He was just hanging out, he was having dinner with someone like a political, you know, foreign policy think girl. He was good, he seemed rested and ready to get back to podcasts. Yeah, he's suddenly texting me a lot, so I know that it's the end of August because he's like,

"Hey girl, and I'm like, oh, hi, good to talk to you," and he's also threading a lot. He does threads, and so he has an opinion about things, I'll tell you, we'll discuss this later. But he's very upset that he's not here for the Natalie Harp situation, he'll miss that. And now, in Daldy Parton, with Scott and I are a huge fan, so you dedicated your entire show of Daldy Parton on Tuesday night, talk a little bit about, what's your favorite

Daldy song to start with? I mean, I was actually thinking about this last night, so I was listening to a very long car ride last night, I was listening to Daldy Parton the whole time.

“Yeah, I really think, I mean, there's so many good ones and islands in the stream is incredible,”

but I really think it's hard candy Christmas because it is like, I know it's kind of like a random one. What's not? That you're not familiar with? But you'll stay with us.

You know that one, yeah.

Yes, not always the first one, I think people think of, but it's what I think of what

I think of Daldy Parton. And for us to dedicate a whole show to something that is not politically related is pretty rare for us, but it really speaks to I think, however, and felt about Daldy Parton, certainly how I think about her. Yeah.

Oh, but I think she was politically related in a way that was very different.

“I think she did a lot of political things without saying the Mount Lads.”

It was somewhat quite quiet politics, like in terms of her actions, whether it was supporting the Moderna vaccine, or whether it was, you know, doing all manner of feminist things without having to say so, or supporting trans people, or supporting Black Lives Matter. She was quite explicit about that. So, she was political in a very different way than what we were used to.

I would assume. Yeah. And you know what I loved is when we had Melissa at the ridge on, she brought this up immediately and we were going to talk to her about it. But that moment when they did the crossroads do it together, which, you know, I grew up

watching CMT, like that's all, I would, my parents could get me to clean my room because I would Blair CMT, like Travis Tridd and George Strait, and I would just listen to music. But when they did their, they're doing it was the first time that two women had done it.

So, it was a breakthrough in and of itself.

But Melissa was telling me that actually it meant so much more to her than that, because Daldy was selected, they let Daldy pick, because she wanted, she picked Melissa at the ridge. And it was in 2003. It was at a time when the gay marriage debate was raging in the United States. And Melissa said for her to be invited in that moment to share the stage with her, with

so special and so meaningful to her. And obviously, she spoke up with the gay community so much throughout her career decades before it was, you know, invoking to do for a celebrity.

ago to, to share that stage with Daldy Park.

“Well, I think she knew exactly what she was doing.”

You know what I mean? I think she understood her who she was and she conducted her career that way, doing, you know, really being the pilot of everything. One of the things she, I put up was a song that I love called Travelin Through. And it was, it's not such a great song.

It was from a movie called Trans America, which was about a trans woman who's meeting her son. And it was astonishing, and it's such a song of acceptance, you know, at the time it was not a thing that people did, a lot of people did. She constantly put herself on the line in that regard in a very quiet, but I think profoundly

strong way in a very different way. Although, she didn't speak out when she needed to. She absolutely did.

Yeah, and you know, even just on her, her life overall, I have never gotten so many messages

from family members about my show. I mean, they watch, obviously, I always say I'm converting Alabama viewers one at a time. Explain where you're from, for people, people do know you're background, but people who don't. You're from Alabama.

I'm a small town outside of Montgomery called Prattville in Alabama, and my immediate family watches the show almost every night. But to hear from some distant relatives last night, or people that are in my family that I went to Dollywood with a bunch of times as a kid, it was really fun to hear them reflecting on her.

And also, you know, loving to hear from Pam Tila and Melissa at the last night. And I mean, but Dolly really was a huge part of my childhood because this is what we did in the South for vacation. We drove down to the beach or we drove north to Tennessee. Those were our two spots that we went pretty much every year.

And we would go to Dollywood and we thought it was, I mean, it was Disney World for us before we went to Disney World. And we'd go there, you could see Dolly's childhood home, a replica of it. And it was just, it's a core memory for me as a child.

And so having that, you know, knowing her childhood and what she came from and never

forgot is so meaningful to me, I think. And genuine and genuine too, because let me tell you, you'd be surprised to know, of course, I bent to Dollywood. I was also a huge Elvis fan, by the way, and I went to Dollywood. I bent to Dollywood.

That's how much I was. And I loved Dolly Parton so much. I took my whole family to Dollywood. And one of the things I loved about, and it's in Pigeon Forge, which is now kind of big and touristy, but it's really kind of fascinating, which is down there economically for that region.

And she, I went there and was amazing about it, which is, there's so many different differences in this country that's crazy. But when you get in Dollywood, everyone gets along. Like it's crazy. Like you walk through the thing, walk through the butterfly entrance.

And I took my daughter, Clara, was a baby, just found the pictures from there, and including in that shack. We took her into that shack and everything else. And a better Pfizer or Dolly symbol, or whatever, that was her thing that she had on.

And literally, you have the gaze, the rednecks, the conservatives, the liberals, the lesbians. It was crazy, and everyone was so happy to be together because of her. And I was like, what can you bottle this? It was such a, and then minute you go out. It's back into guns and abortion and everything like you're like, it was really, it was

a really interesting feeling and I never, I never understood it.

I loved Alliewood. I still haven't figured out how she did that. I mean, how she built this massive career, stayed true to her roots, was always herself.

“I mean, that's what I think is the most infectious part about her.”

Is you watch her get all these questions, you know, 20, 30 years ago, from a lot of men about her appearances and her look and how that affects her. I mean, Dan Rathers is face when they're in this sit down and she's saying that she never slept with anyone to get anywhere, she only slept with people that she wanted to sleep with.

Yeah. Yeah. She happened to have slept with them. Right. Is this iconic moment?

And he, I mean, you could tell he doesn't even know what to do. Um, but I just think, you know, reflecting on how she was able to, to, to span that spectrum and appeal to so many people, it's hard to just think of other people, no one who, who achieved that. People asked me who do you want to interview of all people and I said, "Dally part

and but only about her entrepreneurship." I just like, I don't want to talk about the songs. I don't want to talk about anything but her entrepreneurship.

“And that's what really got through her ability to shift and change and move along whether”

she went from, you know, country to leaving that show, the Porter Wagner show, to moving on to pop and then she went to the, it's just, she is the quintessential American entrepreneur. And, and it's, I'd heard the reason I'm going to interview her was she was doing a lot of stuff with AI and song stems because she owns thousands of songs that have been released to.

And so she wanted them released after she died and this is what I heard of them. Exactly. And I, like, wanted to talk to her about it. And just, you know, she is the absolutely quintessential American entrepreneur in a way that is so beautiful and also just a kind and just a kind soul in a way that's very profound.

I just feel like that's why people are reacted. So what did your relative say, May I ask? I mean, they're all just sharing their own memories about going to Dollywood, listening to Dolly part and what she meant to them. I mean, my mom is a fourth grade teacher and she said she's been playing it in her classroom

all morning, my stepdad who was the, you know, driving force behind us going to Dollywood was text to me about it this morning. And you know, one thing that's funny, you, we're trying to take in your kids, which I love that you did. And I think everyone should, should go, is we went in a time when there were no smartphones

or anything like that. I mean, maybe we had disposable cameras, but I mean, maybe we didn't. I was asking my family, I was like, are there any pictures of us at Dollywood? And honestly, everyone was looking for the Mr. Dijk so I wanted to use them in the show. And we couldn't find any.

And I think it was a sign that of the times, but also we had so much fun on these trips. And we were just so, you know, locked in on a family vacation of it all, that like, that was it.

“There are no pictures because that's how much fun we were having.”

And I just love that. I feel like it's so quaint and it's a wonderful place. The food is great too, by the way. Yeah. And it's incredible.

There's healthy food too. It's like a mix. I was sort of like, Tally? Well, we were eating that. No, I knew I had the cinnamon. I had the cinnamon roll.

Hello. I had a dream of going up to the actual shack, finding it. And then I thought I'd get arrested or something like that. Yeah, because it still exists. I mean, she went back and bought it later on, which I think is so incredible.

And it was insulated with newspaper and all these other clippings that were on the wall, because that was how they said, well, you know what I love that she said, everyone's talked about her imagination library, and I'm a huge reader still, my kids reading, reading is amazing. I'm reading as a kid was so like instrumental for me.

But what I loved when she talked about why she started it is because her dad couldn't

read or write, but she didn't say, oh, we couldn't read, she said, he never had the chance

to learn. That's right. And he didn't have that opportunity afforded him. And I loved how she phrased that because I do think, I mean, all over, but especially in the south, so many of us have grandparents or great grandparents that are like that.

And it wasn't that they couldn't, or that they wouldn't have been able to. It was that they didn't have the opportunity, and that is what she wanted to give to people. Right. Absolutely. All the time.

And one of the moments, and you probably covered this, when she did the, she used the Jolene song, which is one amazing song in lots of ways, including technically how she put it together. But she, she vaccine vaccine vaccine vaccine. That was also a moment when there's all this anti-vac, it was incredible for her.

That is a big political statement to me, like, and a risky one for someone like her. I think of the lives, she saved. Yeah.

“I mean, that's what Melissa Ethridge was saying last night about her being outspoken”

about B.U.R. and don't worry about who someone else is, and the permission structure that she basically gave to people who were sitting in their room thinking, "Well, Dally part is not judging me. I think in the south, especially during the pandemic, and people, a lot of vaccine hesitancy, I saw it among people I love, and to come out and say that, you know, she could have said

nothing." Right. And she chose not to. Not only did she put her money where I'm out this, she also spoke up like she always has.

She always has, which is amazing.

Just for people to know, this imagination library is amazing. My kids use it. They're wonderful books, and it's a Republican lawmaker's Missouri and Indiana cut and reduced funding for child reading programs, and I hope they will reinstate it. I hope some billionaire would get with it and back that as they go forward.

But I'm sure she is giving away most of her money to things like that in her well, although she, one of the other things that I loved was her dedication to her own family. Like they were all working for, and that video from her nephew was her security person, and her dad was before, and just, you know, you know, it's a real shift. Now, let me just say, Donald Trump ordered flags to fly at Half Staff, and said, "Neposers

never been anyone like her, and never will rest in peace, die the world loves you." Surprisingly, did not try to suck up the energy when he surprised. For Donald Trump, and the Democratic Socialist of America, to both put out a pretty similar statement about the passing of someone, is a moment that probably will never happen again. Never.

“I mean, for them to both agree on something, I think also speaks to the moment we're”

in, but it was a moment where, I mean, this morning he was saying in an interview that,

you know, Dolly part, and always liked him, and was, you know, so nice to him, and a fan

of his. And then, but, but in terms of this overall, you know, and I'm curious how your thoughts on this, because we've talked about billionaires so much between the two of us and these tech giants, and what people do with their money, one thing I keep seeing on, in the aftermath of her death, is how she spent her money, and that she was obviously extremely successful,

but how she used that success to reinvest, not in like a bullshit kind of way in terms of, you know, let me make myself look good. She genuinely wanted to invest in children and in her community, and where she came from. She gave money to the people, and to finish high school. She gave money to do that when people were devastated by, I think, the floods, she gave

She also, when she made all that money on, I will always love you when Whitney Houston

redid it, and she made a fortune on that song, and didn't sell its Elvis, again, great entrepreneur. She could have sold it to Elvis, and she didn't, would you imagine how tough that decision is? Oh, I totally feel for her.

Would you tell Elvis? No. No, you can't have it, because she knew, she knew what a great, that's a perfect song, but what was really interesting is she continued to do that, and I agree with you, she didn't do, I guess the equivalent of you Mackenzie Scott, who is Jeff Bezos's ex-wife,

who just gives money and goes away, just hands it out, moves along, and you never hear

“from her, she does, she just hands it over to people, which I think is unusual, and you”

write most people do it in this incredibly selfish, performative way. Now, interestingly, Jeff Bezos did give dolly part and $100 million for that money that he gave out to a number of people, including, I think, Van Jones, and others, I think Jose Andres Scott, and I think she's given it all away, she's given it, you know, it's great, but honestly, Jeff Bezos, you're fucking just give it away, like to me, I was

like, that's not, not do this performative, let me meet famous people, just give it away and keep giving it away, that would be my taste in that. I love your shirt, by the way. Oh, thank you. We even talked about it.

I'm wearing a shirt that says, "W-W-D-D, what would dolly do?" I got it at dolly one. It's so good. What would dolly do? Well, I didn't realize, they didn't have this one, I was a kid, but I was talking

to someone last night about going, that they have a display of her wigs there now. Yes. Which I, they're love. Yeah, I love the coat of many colors, is there, and everything is there. So, you know what she did, that I also think is important for women, is she did not associate

aesthetics with character, and she could separate those two in a way that a lot of people

“are to this day still struggle with, which is why I think she got so many questions about”

it, and she would, every time she got a question, it seemed like about her appearance, she would turn it back to what she's like on the inside, and she wasn't bashful about, you know, what she had done. I loved that also, but she was saying, you know, well, maybe it's fake of the outside, but it's real on the inside.

That's right. Deep, that's one of her songs. That's one of the great songs, she's saying. And one of my other, it's fake, I like what's it called, "Backwood's Barbie." That's a great song.

That talks about false eyelashes. Big dreams and fate and dreams and things. Same to the other ones. That's a great song. And then I kept putting up songs that people don't know about, and my favorite is, and they

read it with a bunch of amazing women artists recently with her, which is light of a clear bill morning, but I would recommend reading, listening just to her, sing it. For some reason, her death, which I kind of, everything everyone was sort of expecting a little bit this weekend. I had spent a lot of time watching her for some reason.

I just, I loved all of you part. Wow. I can't believe. I knew I was, yes, I was like, oh, I think she's going to die soon. I need to be with her.

Like I've got it like spent time, because she was always up and out and she wasn't, right?

So you had to imagine something was going on. And one of the things that I thought about was, it gives people courage, her death. I know it sounds crazy, but it's like the internet was like saturated with her yesterday. All kinds of stories from regular people, those kind of things she did, and all manner of things.

And I thought, I have just about fucking had it, not getting along with people. She is right. You know what I mean? I do imagine it will have some political impact, because I tell everyone I know woke up today and like, okay, that's enough.

That's enough with the hate.

“That's enough with, like this woman lived the most perfect, you know, if you want to talk”

a religious life, Christian life, in the way that was just right, do you think it will have a political effect on people? Because I felt like that's enough of this hate. I think that's a good point. I mean, because you couldn't open any of the apps without just seeing everything about

Dolly, which never happens where we all come together or something, I'm not sure if

it'll have an impact, but I think it shows how much people are grasping for something that does unite people, and that does give people hope and enthusiasm and optimism and just something that everyone can love, and no one has to complain or criticize or argue or avoid the subject with people they love, because they don't want to get an argument. It really showed that we are grasping for something like that that is hopeful and bright

and nice. So I mean, we do so much politics on my show for my team who is amazing last night to just go through all these archives of Larry King interviews and old clips of her. I think the way we described it after the show was we were like, that was soul cleansing. Like, it was so nice to have this moment of no arguments, no nothing, it was just everyone

talking about Dolly. And they don't go after her. I have to say one of the things she did a lot of very liberal stance is on a lot of these issues that are now such hot button issues. You don't see criticism of her.

You never see it like they never touch her. It's really an interesting and they will not now, obviously, because she's saint-like.

Instant. Why not?" Anyway, we loved Dolly. What would Dolly do? This is what I'm going to do with the rest of it.

And I recommend the PBS documentary here I am.

It's just really wonderful and she really was an amazing, many songwriter, she was innovative

and she was an entrepreneur.

“That is something you have to think about when you think about her.”

Not just because she came from modest means, but because of that. And the last thing I would say is people don't realize it's my family from West Virginia. And so they loved her. That's one of the ways I got in touch with country music very early or bluegrass. How great is that?

Yeah, my grandparents grew up in such a shack, in such a place, in rural West Virginia. So just everything about her is fantastic. Anyway, let's move on. Meta has agreed to pay. This has just happened.

And nearly $17 billion to settle a major federal case brought by 29 states over allegations that Facebook and Instagram harm children's mental health. The deal also grows major changes to Meta's apps, including daily time limits, nighttime blocks for teens, and stronger age verification measures. The settlement comes in the second week of a high-stakes trial in California where states

accuse Meta of misleading the public about risks to young users. Any thoughts on this? If you and I talk about this a lot, I thought it was, I think you don't pay see you. Several people are like, oh, it's peanuts, it's not peanuts, guys. This is a big deal.

I know it's not enough and everyone had pretended it was $1.4 trillion, that was never

going to be a settlement. Maybe $100 million to $200 million might have happened in a jury trial. But this is real money and hopefully real changes. So this is of course led by Rob Bonta who's also doing the paramount deal. I know you talk to them recently or the case leading the cases for the attorney generals.

But talk a little bit about this because this is a point where, first of all, states attorney generals are the ones doing legislation here, finally, getting these changes when the federal government, both Democrats and Republicans, have done nothing at the federal level.

“Yeah, and I think sometimes when you see those lawsuits, you kind of wonder if it's going”

to go anywhere. And I mean, this settlement today speaks to that. And you know, my questions were one, it seems like the changes, obviously they're directed at children and that has been the focus of this, is that it will affect all users potentially in terms of what they're changing.

And you know what that, you know, the nighttime activity, you know, how long you're on there during the day.

And I think the second question that I had looking at this was, you know, obviously they chose

to settle. Maybe they saw the writing on the wall and they didn't think it was going to go well for them. And is it the first of many? Yes.

Are we going to see more of this just because this has happened here? Because I mean, there's so many other cases that are happening. Yeah, I think it what it says is if you push back hard enough, these, let me just say, I'm glad they settled. I'm glad they're doing these things.

And someone from Facebook sent this to me, is it two hour daily time limit, turning off access to our apps at night as a default, no notification during school hours, clear prompts and notifications for teens every 15 minutes of continuous agreed to. I'm new parental supervision controls, so parents can decide how their teens use the app. So these are all things that are great.

These are also things that should have been there a long time ago.

“I also, I kind of, you know, it's great for kids and I think that we should have it.”

I mean, I think about my nephews who are not yet into this era yet and it's terrifying because they're so pure and perfect and happy and you don't want that to be corrupted. I also think it should happen maybe for people who are 65 plus because I think a lot of people's parents are online way too much. And sometimes I talk to my own parents and I'm like, wait, what, like, what did you see

or what did you, like, that's AI, that's not even real or that's not, you know, there's a big leap being used. And so I don't actually think a child might have told her, no, I think adults need this. Yeah, there's going to be more cases like that. I think it's just easier for people to be speaking of a degree like Marsha Blackburn agrees

with, you know, someone on the left on this topic, right? Unless she wants to be governor and then she changes a little bit, but, you know, it's a really, it's a big issue for everyone and I think it's all, you know, actually I'm working on a new book and it's about an digital bill of rights. Like what should we all have going forward?

And one of the, this is the beginning, not the end of this and as much as people don't want a settlement going to trial, Facebook has unlimited options of suing and suing and suing like appealing and appealing and appealing and this would have taken years to get these things need to happen on the ground, right, initially for kids. And others will follow.

That's also the other companies will follow. I mean, they're the biggest one obviously, but it will, it will start to set limits of what we want. Again, the government should have done this, so should Facebook many years ago, but they didn't.

And so that's one of the things and it will not end, it will not end what's happening here, which is a absolute trend, which you're seeing again politically, okay, and I mean, you're seeing, you've, we've talked a lot about on the show about these data centers, which to me is a proxy. How important is it, the people you interview because look, my garage has changed, habit

changed, the vague drama swammy changed, what do you think the impact is going to have?

Yes. And so, you know, we are, we wouldn't like to call that a lie, but go ahead.

“Well, and I think, you know, some of the Democratic candidates who were running, you”

know, we had Gina Henna Jose, who's running against Abbott on the other night. And she was saying, well, let's see if this is real, because I think if he wins a real election. And obviously, this is his opponents speaking, but she said that she thought maybe he'd change back his stance, given where he was just a year ago.

And I think it's, it's incredible because speaking of crossover again, which obviously

is like the dominant thing here, this is something that people on the far right and the very progressive left seem to agree on, which is this hesitancy at best and a full-out opposition at worse for these companies against these data centers, being built in their communities with no say so, no transparency they feel on their behalf of what's happening. And we had seen these, you know, Republicans, in most cases, ushering in these giants to their

states to, you know, take over this. And, you know, without regard, it seems like whether or not these small communities where they're being built can keep up with, you know, what that would require an entail for resources. But I mean, with, you know, Kathy Hockel imposing her moratorium, the response to that, but seeing how it is now starting to take shape and everyone is kind of shifting to this,

whether the exception of people like President Trump, he says it's a mistake.

“Yes, you tell me that I was going to say that, why, how come he's sticking to his guns?”

I mean, you, oddly enough, you kind of have to respect him for that. He's going to go, he's all in on AI and his whole administration is based on the bear hug that he gave to these AI people. But he's not backing down and probably will hurt other candidates, presumably. Well, there's a lot of Republican districts where this has become a huge issue, or even,

I mean, obviously, we were talking about the Republican Senate, so you know, how other night, in terms of where this stands. And so Trump is someone who has often been praised over the last decade for being so in touch with his political instincts, his base. This is an area where it doesn't seem to be the case, because there is so much concern

and skepticism about this. And so, I mean, I think the question is, do we get on the other side of the midterm elections this November? And this is actually a way bigger issue than people anticipated in terms of, you know, as you in our term, other night, real grassroots opposition to this.

It's not, you know, Michael Wattley and North Carolina was saying that it's all basically

gendered up, and that it's being driven by outside forces, but as you were saying, that's not the case. It's not, well, that was Kevin O'Leary in Utah, it's just moronic. It's ironic to call these people Chinese communist patsies. I mean, honestly, it was so weird.

And when Wattley did that, I'm like, you, sir, first of all, it's untrue. And second of all, you're obviously not talking to your constituents, because you need to talk to these people, because all kinds of people are concerned, it'll be interesting to see what Trump does after if this proves to be a big deal, because it's about economics, really.

The data centers are about economics, not about, well, it is about AI, it is. And speaking of which Bill Gates is sounding the alarm on AI, just when tech leaders wanted to pull back on the doom scrolling and the doom saying that we're going to kill all your jobs in a nearly 6,000 word essay on this website. Gates warns the transition to this new AI era will be one of the most turbulent times in

human history, and we're not prepared for it. Gates is proposing solutions, including taxes on AI tokens and bots and reserving certain jobs for humans. He's also urging countries to collaborate on regulation specifically for the U.S. and China to work together.

He's absolutely right. Bill Gates did acknowledge to Washington Post that people might dismiss his views given his ties to Jeffrey Epstein. And again, call this interactions with Epstein a very bad mistake, it was indeed a very bad mistake, Bill.

I also told him that. He talked about this because it's really, it's an interesting thing because the tech

“leaders have been trying to pull back and again, Trump is not pulling back on this, right?”

Not pulling back on this issue and has been best friend to AI essentially throughout this administration, including at the very beginning of putting them in the front row. And I'll just also note, MIT just put out a report recommending a fundamental rethink of higher education in the age of AI, calling for redesigned assessments, more hands-on learning and core specific rules for AI use, because AI can now do all the undergraduate

courses in like four seconds, which is really amazing. So talk about this is a political issue because one of the things that's important is they're hasn't been much. Is there any plus in doing it, doing stuff around with Gates is talking about? I mean, talk about a Holy Shit moment, as you're reading that, it's like the call

is coming from inside the house, because he's saying, hi, I'm one of these industry leaders, and I'm saying that not only are my colleagues completely downplaying the concerns over this because they want to make more money, he's saying this idea that we're going to self-regulate is just not even close to having a grasp on reality. I mean, to hear that from him, it should be alarming to everyone.

And you made me think back to every time we have Bernie Sanders on the show, which is maybe

once every couple of weeks, we always talk about AI with him.

to this, it is going to wipe out the job force that people do not understand the impact

it's going to have, and by the time we do, it's going to be too late. And so he's basically arguing in a different way than what Bill Gates is saying here, but arguing the same message. And so for Bill Gates to say, my colleagues are not going to be the ones who are going to step up and handle this, and going back to the metal lawsuit that we're just talking

about. I mean, we've seen what's happened before when they are the ones who are expected to be in charge of the guidelines and the guardrails. Yeah, it's a fox guarding an house. They have no interest in regulation whatsoever, unless it's to their advantage or a big fat, pretty contract with the Department of Defense on AI or something like that.

“Okay, but then the other question is, okay, so is it up to Congress or Washington?”

Because we interview those people every day, and yes, Bernie Sanders is the one leading the charge on this from, you know, the people that we have on the show, but this idea that they're going to understand what they're doing and be able to do it, like I don't have a lot of confidence in that. All right, but do they understand how planes fly?

Do they need to? We were able to manage to have many car regulations.

See, to me, that's always the excuse, but it was lower, I think.

That's what Bill Gates is saying. It's he's talking about the farming transition, you know, with agricultural, agricultural revolution in industrialization, is it happened over generations, and people had time to adjust, and he's saying, I mean, what I found one of the most alarming things in here was he was saying, we don't have time for that, basically, here, that's not going to happen

in the same way. Yeah, well, I don't know. I feel like they can't do it. They haven't tried in any way whatsoever, and they've been captive. And again, I wonder if Trump's embrace of them is going to have a real effect on the elections.

I mean, of all the things, where would you rank tech being in that list? Like, voters' concerns? Yeah.

“I mean, I think in rural areas, the data centers backlash, the flawed cameras backlash, is”

becoming more and more of a thing. Yeah. This is police who are taking pictures of people. Yeah.

The AI readers of like the license plates, I mean, you know, I've seen obviously, people

responding to the data centers, people saying that's not well-founded, or maybe we just aren't being transparent enough about this, or is Greg Abbott saying, you know, they dug their own grave by not being more forthright and honest about what was happening and what people should expect. I think that could end up being a big thing.

I think obviously the economy and inflation, but they're all kind of tied together, you know, because it's making people think about what they have money for, what they can afford, where they're stretched then. And then, you know, these tech giants are building these data centers in their backyards. And affecting resources and water is their main concern.

And I think that's, you know, it's all kind of intertwined. I mean, you think about AI. What do you do? How do you use it? Because there was this controversy over this guy who's insulting Scott Besson, very famous

investor. He used AI for this Wall Street Journal, his mentor. His mentor, right? Exactly.

“Well, I think that wasn't so annoying himself for months now, but that's just my opinion.”

How do you look at yourself when you think about it's to use in your life or in your reporting or how you cover things? You know, in the part of Bill Gates' thing that I thought resonated was he was talking about all these ways that it could be helpful to people. And not just to, you know, elites or fancy people or people who have these, you know, cushy

jobs. He was talking about how it could really affect people who are working, you know, two jobs and don't have time to deal with the paperwork for health care or forgetting government benefits or applying for financial aid for college or it's this convoluted kind of difficult thing.

You know, when I went to college, my sister had gone to college, but we were kind of navigating this process on our own. You know, it wasn't really something we didn't have a fate like a legacy of people who are alumni that we knew how to to consult. And so applying for financial aid was really difficult, so we didn't totally understand it, even when we were signing up for it then.

And talking about how that could be helpful to you now, I love. And I think that could be really, really helpful to a lot of the people I grew up with. But I think on the other side of it, it's, if this happens so fast and it wipes out all these jobs before we even have time to understand the applications of it, it's scary. But I think everyone can see all it's helpful to them on a daily basis.

I use it for research and for looking things up. My dad used it. My dad sells mobile homes. He uses it every day for random things. Why, but I didn't know your dad sell mobile. I love a mobile home.

Yes, yes, he does. The daygones? They're really fancy. Yeah. Well, there's a range, but there's a range.

Yeah, there's a range. Have you ever been to an album? I'll be a callman. I'll help you out. You know, I had a lot of family members lived in mobile homes.

So I have a familiarity of mobile homes. Yeah, but I just think that speaks to the spectrum of it, you know, that I use it every day. My dad uses it. My mom is a teacher.

She uses it. It really is something that you can see how it can be helpful. But that doesn't mean that they should just run a market or not have worries about it for your job. Yeah, we'll just wait and see what happens.

You know what I used it for this morning? Looking up. I couldn't find my son has an obsession with monster trucks. I'm taking to a monster truck rally, of course. And we couldn't figure out what this one monster truck was.

it.

“I just took a picture of it, put it into clawed and it was like, oh, that's Tiger Reak.”

And I was like, thank you. And my son was like, thank you. And I was like, fantastic. And then he's in this weird toddler monster truck trading rank with a bunch of boys. And they trade them, like, in sand.

Like, I can see him years from now being a Scott, you know, on Wall Street trading stocks. But now he's trading monster trucks. All right, let's go on a quick break when we come back, Trump breaks his endorsement losing streak. Support for the show comes from Zbiotics, being in rough shape the day after drinks comes

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Darling, one her primary despite having virtually no political experience and debate snafu over form policy. But Trump went all in on her, visiting South Carolina to stump for her and also tapping into his mega ink super pack, which he doesn't often do. Trump also had success in Oklahoma where his candidate won in the Republican monophore governor.

Talk a little bit about this because he also speaking the midterms got a major boost from the Supreme Court this week in his push to redistrict mail and voting. Now, it was reported not quite correctly. The majority of justices said Trump could move forward with his executive order, which means plans to do it, not actually implementing.

It was directs a postal service to help determine which voters should receive mail and ballots.

is in place in more legal, wrangly is expected, but it's just his Brown Jackson wrote in her dissent. The ruling needlessly injects chaos on uncertainty. The upcoming midterm elections about 30% of all ballots in the 2024 election were cast by mail.

Well, Trump has a long attack, mail invoting. He's used it himself a lot. Most recent is this month at Florida's GOP primary. But it's what they said is, if he breaks, it's like they didn't want to pre-crime. If it's illegal, we'll call it illegal, but right now he can plan for it, essentially,

“which that seemed fair, honestly, but I keep it fair.”

Talking about these two things, where his power is right now.

Well, on the executive order, they were basically saying, for now, this can move forward,

but the lawsuit wasn't about the merits. The ruling wasn't about the merits of the case. It was more about the timing and when they were sued over it. So we'll see what happens there, because, I mean, obviously, you know, we're ten weeks out from the midterms.

So you get the harder it is to implement those changes, agree with them or disagree. On darling Graham, though, I mean, we went into Tuesday night, not knowing what really was going to happen in that Senate runoff, because obviously Republicans in South Carolina, you know, are kind of divided on this, not kind of divided. They are divided on it, because so many people wanted to run for the seat, but the president

had self-annoyed or had anointed darling Graham after her brother's death. So suddenly the summer, and so going into last night, the we want to take away as we've been following Trump's endorsement power, you know, whether or not he can bring these candidates over the line if he's not on the ballot, and show that he still does have that power, because he basically elevated someone who until a couple of weeks ago was not well-known,

who did have some debate mishaps, whose policy decisions and stances are not really well-defined.

“And he basically elevated her in a way to where she was successful last night against Ralph”

Norman, and so, and it's not like Ralph Norman is someone who is not this massive ally of the president. He's the person who, last time we had him on the show, we asked him about the text message he said after January 6th, where he said he wanted the president to declare martial law. Yes, I recall.

And I asked him about that, and he told me he has only regret was that he spelled it. M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L, not M-A-R-T-I-A-H-L. So this person is a very close ally of the president to put it lightly, yeah. But obviously Darling Graham was pulled across the line, likely he's going to be a senator to 2032, at least.

Why did he do it? Why did he, why her versus Storm and Norman? I think, I mean, it seemed as we were reporting on this, when he came out and endorsed her to have the seat just for a little bit, and that temporary period until they run off. I talked to White House officials who said it's just a tribute to Lindsey, it's his dear

friend, that he lost suddenly, and she's going to be their kind of, you know, and just a placeholder role. They did not think it was going to be for the low and hall. These are White House officials who speak to the president. And so we kind of said, OK, and then we got closer to the runoff, and it was clear that

the president thought that Darling Graham should run for the seat really, and now obviously is the nominee. And so I think there are questions of what that's going to look like once. She's in the Senate. She said she disagreed with her brother, only on immigration that she would have gone further.

It wasn't able to articulate, you know, policy on Taiwan, for example, which could be a real issue soon. And so I think it didn't speak though to the president's political power, but in the other

“part of this is, and that's what the White House will tell.”

They had just been a lot of money from his super-packed and does not has been pretty stingy, actually, with their Republicans. They spent $800,000 here. He did a virtual rally. He did an in-person rally.

I mean, the president put a lot of effort into a very safe Republican seat and ensuring that his candidate got across the line, and I think that's because his endorsement power has been tested in other places, and he didn't want it to be tested here. Well, there's a lot of coverage about his power, waning rather considerably. Like, and, you know, he definitely had to have heavy this one, right?

He had to shove it through, in a way that he never had to.

Which for self-care line is, yeah, that's incredible. It's incredible. Yeah. So how does that happen? People looking about his power.

There's all kinds of people leaving the administration, you know, I think everyone wants to get out ahead of the Democratic potential subpoenas in the mid-terms. Because most people, what was interesting also about that darling race is poly-market and calcium did get it, right? Poling did not.

Which was interesting. They were more accurate in terms of the final numbers. Maybe a little bit too high for them, and way too low for the polls, which is interesting. That's a whole crisis right now in political coverage, but then again, they got a bunch of other things wrong.

I really marketed in Michigan and other places in Wisconsin. What is the power now? How are people feeling with people leaving, you know, you've covered this administration since when?

Like, it's the first one, right?

Forever. Forever. You and Maggie Averman. Maggie, she's covered Trump longer than me, but yeah, I've been there for all the odd many years.

You know, in terms of his power, it is a real question, I think.

of just, you know, political, conventional wisdom, which is that the president, you know,

after his first year as an office, his party loses pretty badly.

When it comes to these congressional elections, we'll see what shapes out here.

“I mean, I think with the redistricting and so much that it's changed and just since February”

alone with the war, we don't really have a good understanding. We don't know, and given how wrong the polls have been, and they're just a snapshot, I do think we don't really know what's going to happen in November. We're kind of assumes they know, but I think we've to wait and really see what this looks like.

And so, I think for the president, though, in the way he views his endorsement power, which, you know, last night he was calling Darling Graham an underdog saying, like he was touting his own power and acknowledging that she is not this strong political figure in South Carolina. For him, I think it's also a test of he came into office in the second term with so much

power and able to bend corporate executives, congressional Republicans, law firms, pretty much anybody to his well, but not Caitlin Collins. But go ahead. Well, true, but hopefully that's true. Get a smile.

Get a smile. Yeah.

Well, I mean, that's a whole other thing.

I'll just come up with that later.

“But I think that, you know, for him to be in a situation where there are people who”

pushed back on him, and he is going to be in a different world in Washington, should him in terms not go his way, will be a very different time of the Trump presidency. Is there a prediction? I think he'll cooperate. That's my feeling.

Like, I think he knows, right? Presumably. With what? With the investigation. I think he'll go whatever way the wind blows.

I think no. I don't think he'll be, I think he'll, I mean, I think those meetings between Jared Kushner and King Jeffries says a lot. They're going to, he's going to try to recover himself in a different way or reinvent himself in some other way.

I also think, I mean, this is my prediction. This isn't, you know, I mean, this is what I've heard from reporting. It's estimated, it's an educated prediction, but it's, I mean, we'll have to, you know, you can't really predict too much in political reporting if to wait and see.

I don't think that they will handle congressional oversight the way they did the first

time.

“And I think that the president hated being impeached so much, even though he says he expects”

it, things that'll happen again this time. I think that there will be way more pushback from the DOJ and from the White House, even than what we saw the last time around, and so I think it will be a very different washing tin should the Democrats win and should they try to conduct these investigations. And I don't think it's totally clear that we'll actually see it in the same way we saw

the first time. So dig in even more because you put, oh, wow, interesting. See, I think you can roll it right over. I think he's, I'm not going to say what I think he is, but I think he's a bully and he gets bunch in the nose.

He's going to sell. That's, I don't know, maybe not. That's why he's doing all this. I'm going to tear it down the Gamma Beach Center, foot stomping, disin that. I just think he just, he knows it's time is limited.

I think he's very, he's very, he's very, um, lizard-like in that way. He knows, you know, he has a very good sense of where the wind is blowing in a lot of ways. One thing on an off-note about the Kennedy Center, I rewatched Dullipartin's tribute from 2006 last night, and it was a reminder of how great the Kennedy Center honors are and why they're so important.

They are. They really did provide us with like this moment of her of rebecoming out and telling this great story about when she met Dullip, and it reminded me of just how great, you know, everyone like criticizes Washington institutions. That's one that's this lovely moment for the entire country.

So, you know, 24-year-old Karen Swisher covered it every year when I was in post, mm-hmm. I was so important for this, I was in the style section, 23-24. Wait, I didn't know this, I was the reporter for the Washington Post, I went to all the breakfast, I covered it, John Denver, I remember doing, and I used to sit there and get my little quotes and write up the Kennedy Center honors, I loved it.

What a great assignment. It was so good for a young reporter. You're like, I'll do the Kennedy Center honors. Well, they actually will send the young lady to it, like, we'll send the young people to it, because all the older people are like, I'm not going out like that.

Yeah, it's like a Sunday night. Yeah, it goes super late. Yeah. And by the way, the Kennedy Center, for all, it's, I'm not a big fan of the look of it, honestly, but I just, what's happening there is ridiculous, it's kind of ridiculous, weird flex,

like why would you flex on that, like, just seems silly. I get the White House part, I do, but in a weird way, but I don't get the other thing. Over and under, whether you're just going to get the ballroom belt? Yes, now? Well, I mean, there's a giant hole in the ground right now, so they're definitely working

on it, and I don't, I can't, I just can't see them half-building it and it's stopping. And I do think the question, I mean, maybe it's a silly question, and it's obviously not substantive and not the number one question, but should a Democrat win after? It is a real question of what they will do with smaller. Other changes are easier to reverse.

The ballroom would, will be more difficult because it's a smaller ballroom if it's not fully built. Smaller. Yeah. I mean, going into the White House every day, and I've covered the White House for 10 years,

seeing these giant cranes, you know, it's totally, it's changing the way we cover the president

on on the self-lawn because we can't go out there because there's so much construction, and it's taken up such a big part of it, and they're also building the hell of pad that he wants done by the time Chinese president Xi Jinping comes next month, there's a lot happening back there. You know what I do love is, Arlington Cemetery is one of the most hallowed places that you

can visit. And it's beautiful. I mean, brought me to tears when I first went as a 24-year-old.

“The art, I think, will obstruct part of the view of this cemetery from what, from my understanding”

of how it is, which I think, you know, is a miss for people who want to just go to the cemetery and pay their respects. That's a ridiculous idea. It's a beautiful place. It was a Robert E. Lease estate.

It was his plantation, which is incredible to think about.

It's a beautiful, you know, my dad is not buried, my dad was in the military, he's not buried in there, but, you know, it's just one of the most beautiful places. Yeah, but you probably think about him every time you go there every time, every time. All right, Caitlyn, let's go in a quick break when we come back, a golf ad that missed the mark.

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she reached for his club. The video was intended as a parody of the horror movie obsession. Let me tell you it is not one. But Drew backlash for making light of violence against women. By the way in that movie, the woman was murderous, okay?

She wasn't like she was murderous. Good Good removed the video and apologizing Callaway acknowledged that it approved the ad

before opposed to which should have never happened.

Of course, mistakes were made. It's not really a good excuse for like beaten up on a woman, but good good plans to donate the campaign to proceeds to an organization supporting women. No thanks. Though they're still in the process of researching which went to give it to.

Talk a little bit about a room of people proving an ad like this and I would like.

President Trump does on you, which are very complicated, I think in a lot of ways. But one of the things I said when I was on the view when I was arguing with Sonny Huston over this and she's like, everyone in the room should say something or she should say something back, I said absolutely not. She's handling exactly right, not having an emotion doing her job asking the question if she

makes it about her or a back and forth of the president, it's not what she should do. Talk a little, because this is because the text in you are sexist, there's just no other way around it.

“Talk a little bit about this ad and assume that's why you don't respond and why you respond”

the way you do, which is to be a professional. Yeah, I mean, first off I'm the ad, I'm not in the Gulf world really at all. I was a carcule in college to make money, but other than that, that's part of the carcule. It's like the person who you're in the car that's loaded up with beer, water, sandwiches and you drive backwards on the course and you're basically like the rolling concessions

stand, but the golfers are always really glad to see you because if you're out on a big

course in Alabama or July, it's hot. And I would always try to be like the best carcule, like I would try, I would whip around that course. I would always remember from the orders, it was actually a great job. So you didn't run behind a golf cart, like say Natalie Hart, right?

No, I was driving the golf cart. Okay. And it was huge and heavy and you worked like 14 hour days and it would be totally exhausted. It was good, it was a good college job and I highly recommend it. But when I saw that ad and then the response, it's always the response that somehow makes

it worse. It's like that people really don't know how to one, the fact that it got approved and people thought this is hilarious is insanity, but but then the response, the mistakes were made were researching, you know, the best place to donate this money to, I mean, it's just cringeworthy.

You'd think, how does it get that far? And I understand sometimes people make mistakes, bad judgment calls. That seemed like a pretty obvious one where obviously like, did they ask any women what they thought about that ad before they posted it? No, but honestly, did they ask any men?

“Like my son saw it and he was like, are you kidding me?”

So why do you think it is, is that sort of a thing of Trump, like manly man or something and what do you, what do you attribute it to? I think with the president, it's more of a power thing. I think that it's, you know, moments where we're coming into the Oval Office to what I was just saying about how people treat him and, you know, we've watched it.

You see it all the cabinet meetings or with executives who come in there and they each

take turns praising him saying he's the first president who's ever done X, Y and Z for them.

That is an environment that he is used to and has been for some time and doesn't face a lot of questioning or pushback or opposition and I mean, even his own aides devise, you know, when they disagree with him, how to bring that up to him and how to talk to him about it. And so I think that, you know, when people come in the Oval Office in the way they've changed

the press corps, you know, there's one or two annoying people in there who are asking him questions that he doesn't like. Even if they're pretty straightforward questions and they're quoting other officials like with my colleague Kristen Holmes other day, quoting John Ossoff and how the White House responded to that, which just was bizarre, I think that they just, it's, it's, it's the questioning

that they don't like in and of itself, it's not, it doesn't even really matter who it's coming from.

And that's why I don't respond or really, it's always women, it's almost always women,

which is it. And that's why I don't respond to reaction because I truly feel this and I don't think that it's about me and I don't want to make it about me and I want to, you know, I, I'm asking a question because I want to answer to it or because I'm trying to point something out with the question itself.

And so I never want to get bogged down and some kind of back and forth or argument or fight that becomes about me because I want it to stay focused on the question and truly that has been my mentality on this for 10 years now and it's never surprising when this happens to me. It truly isn't anymore.

White House correspondence dinner in the Oval Office, any of these moments. And so, you know, I'm there to do my job. Do you think the other reporters should say something? I don't either.

“I think, I think they should repeat your question, perhaps, that's the only thing I can”

think of. Yeah, I think following up on questions is important and taking those moments or, you know, I remember there was a press conference during the pandemic where the President would come out and do the briefing himself and Peter Alexander was asking a question and Trump was going off on Peter about Peter, not about the question.

And then when he called, I mean, I kind of said, you know, people are sitting at home watching this. Trying to figure out today's in their kids to school, can they go to work? Is it safe to get these groceries and bring them into their home? You know, in those early days, it's no one wants to hear about this attacking a reporter.

They want you who's been speaking with these officials and the doctors to give them guidance

of what we should be doing in this moment.

“And I think that's, you know, I just think it's always important to return to the substance.”

One time I was on a show and my son was in the, in the green room and I, one of the guests after me said, "You're mom's really smart, but she should smile more to my son," said this to my son. Oh, boy. I know, and my son was like, my son goes, "Are you like 150 years old?

Because that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard." And I was like, parenting well done. Like, I know. Oh, that was so true. Oh, fulfilling moments for you.

Yeah, it's the frat bro who did it, too, by the way. He's like, don't talk to my mom. Don't talk to my mom. Don't talk to my mom. And women don't shouldn't have to smile.

And also, anyone who would say that to Keroswisher's son? Well, yes, I know that exactly. Talk at, to a young reporter who that happens to explain what's going to your head for just a second and what advice you would give them when that happens. Because I get it from the tech rose, too.

Yeah, and you know, it's easier to brush off the longer you've done it, because I think, you know, the first time it happens to you, it's obviously jarring because, you know, being a reporter in and of itself. And I talked to a lot of young people who are graduating, who want to be in the reporting field, it can be intimidating because by nature what you're doing is you are sometimes

“if you're covering things critically or questioning what's happening, which you should”

be if it's a taxpayer fund project or official is always been my my position on this is

you're inherently kind of having this like, you know, add odds relationship where you're asking questions. They don't really want you to ask much less, they don't want to answer. And so, you know, as a reporter, you really do kind of have to, you have to accept that you're the one person in that room who they view as like the skunk at the garden party

and go to like what you're saying. And you have to really, you can't do it to be liked and you can't go in there thinking, oh, they're going to love my question or think it's so smart because one, they're never going to be happy with what you're asking. I mean, unless you're saying, why is this so great?

Why is this such an amazing idea? Fantastic hair do, sir. Right. Like people will just never be happy with that. And so I think as a young reporter, you just got to be ready and, you know, go in there

with the resolve.

And I also think this is my always been my thing being prepared, knowing what you're talking

about, having followed up questions ready, knowing what that person's probably going to say in response to your question will give you more confidence going to any of those exchanges than anything else. You really, I mean, it's like, you got to build it up yourself and you will over time, but being prepared always made me feel better because I would, you know, no matter where

this goes. You're ready. I'm a follow-up. You did that with the Epstein question, you know, you were like, but this happened. It's still hard.

It's a very difficult thing. But I have to say, you have show incredible boys doing so. I think most people think that and they can't believe I would, I would not be able to. I feel like, can you fucking step off, sir? Like, I wouldn't be, I just couldn't do it.

That's why I couldn't go. I just lost my ability to not talk to slap back at people. Anyway, I appreciate it. Alright, Caitlin, one more quick break will be back for predictions. Are you stuck in a job, working hard, but feel like no matter what you do, you just can't

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of? And I guess they answer is anything. So I can truly pick anything that I want to predict. Anything. Aliens showing up, etc.

I wish, please hurry up, if they're coming, I think we're waiting. I think my prediction is going to be about college football, but we're getting closer to kickoff for Alabama, and for people in those, she's an enormous, so is that Tim Cook. Yes, well, he went to Auburn though. So we're rivaling.

Okay, but not really, I mean, it's Auburn. My sister in Auburn too, she doesn't like what we say that. You know what's fun? Any time I wear orange or something on air, which you know, a little Washington in New York, like I don't think it's that crazy, so much Alabama is like why she wearing Auburn colors

Oh, wow.

It's just so fun. That is truly how we think in Alabama.

“I think my prediction is we're going to go hopefully ten and two this season.”

What does that mean? Ten wins, two losses, and I'm sure one of them is going to be some loss that leaves us all just who would you or at least like to lose against. I believe it's Michigan, correct. Well, that's, I mean, we'll see if we play them in the playoffs and what that looks like.

I mean, I think, you know, I hate to lose to Georgia. That's, that's a big one for us lately, and one of my colleagues is a big Georgia fan. And so yeah, I mean, it's just, it is the best time of the year. It is the most agonizing time of the year, because people don't really let you go down there, right?

Yeah, yeah. I go to a bunch of games, I try to go to as many as possible. It's tough. There's like one flight to Birmingham in the morning to make kickoff and I've cut it pretty close sometimes.

Oh, okay.

I've been doing the show for ten and two, whatever that means.

So hopefully we're going to go in ten and two. That's my optimistic outlook. I'm hoping we'll make the playoffs and yeah, I mean, it's tough. I love it so much. It really is this bitter sweet feeling.

And I was home actually the other day, driving in Alabama, listening to the FM radio and Paul Feinbaum, who is my favorite sports talk show host that I listen to all the time growing up, listening to him and pee these people call in, carry you with love it. And they just argue with him about college football and creative it and what's going on. Yeah.

I was bringing that together. Although there was that disturbing report this week about NFL players, they've got to do something. Because it starts early on, you know, I didn't let my kids play football because of that. Yeah.

I think it's, I mean, it's a parent. It's a huge question because it's terrifying and one in four. Yeah. And it's, yeah, one in four and it's, it's no more scarier than for athletes themselves. You know, who have to reckon with this talent that they have, this opportunity to have

personal success in a way that so few people can and, you know, it times can be a huge deal for them and also with their own personal health and longevity and you're asking, you know, 18 year olds to make this decision about or earlier, my kids, my son played touch football which was fine with because it was not, you know, and he was good. They were good.

“Both of them were big guys and I just, I ran, I mean, I think it was Roger Giddell once”

and he's like, oh, and I had my boys with me like, oh, your boys playing football. I said, not if I want them to be, you know, mentally disabled by 33 and he was like, okay, and moving, he's meeting you. Nice meeting you. It's like, oh, okay, just, you know, but I felt that because I agree with you, there's

something very beautiful about football games and, you know, games and sports and, and the community brings, bring me back to all, there's a community of something around. Yeah, but you want to protect these athletes. Yeah. I mean, that's what I care about.

Just technological ways to do it. There is. They just have to start to get serious about it. Speaking of AI, there's all manner of things. They could do.

You want to protect these kids who are, you know, giving their all in the field, and it's just, it is so special to watch. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It is.

It is a great deal. I'm my prediction. I make a very short one. You know, all about Alabama football. No, not at all.

I don't know. I don't want you to watch. Well, let me just say, my prediction is I can't wait for the season finale of

Furious, which is speaking of angry women, what is amazing.

It's a show on who Luke, but my prediction actually has to do with it's settlement that met a made. This is what was left by Rob Bond to someone who you just interviewed.

“I think pyramid doesn't settle, like, stop the games they're playing with all these”

press releases, personal attacks, weird leaks and things like that, and they're pretending it's not that. It is them leaking, all this stuff. They need to settle, and Bond has shown his ability to settle when it makes a reason a bull kind of thing.

This guy is really someone to watch, and he's very clever and spicy, and he's got a lot, he's got a lot of leverage here, and they should, if they're not completely idiotic, they have to stop playing games, as he said in settle, and they should, and they will. They must, and if they don't, it's over. That's my prediction is that they somehow, someone's going to slap the sense into these

people. Do the right thing, because this guy is this success with meta is going to make a big difference. A lot of stuff that he's doing. How did you find him?

He found him. He's something else. I mean, you know more about all of the discussions, and what's happening behind the scenes than I do, because you cover it every day. From our perspective, we had the Attorney General line as from our reporters perspective

as an interview guest, because it is a genuine news story, and I think even though CNN is involved in it, because obviously it's our parent company Warner Brothers, you know, we have to still approach it as a new story, and so we had them on, and I thought it was interesting because he was so, you know, we asked if he had evidence about them leaking,

And I think I said to him at one point, it doesn't sound like you really want to settle with them, or that you're in the environment for that, I guess I should say, given where things had broken down to at that moment. And so obviously we'll see what happens, but he seemed, my understanding from his appearance on the show that I was that he seemed very confident of his position.

He has a good position. And so, obviously we will see where it goes from here. Some of it's Saberadling, some of it's this and that, but a hundred percent, that's who leaked. I can tell you that, but it was really, actually, his office is tight as a tick.

I have to say, I've tried my various ways to get in there, and there are much tighter

in Paramount is a leaky, leaky civ of the place, sorry David, David is always surprised

by that, but it is. All media companies, all media companies are leaky civs, and they are excellent for reporters to do. But it was a very good interview with him, it was really interesting. Anyway, I suspect there'll be a settlement because, come on, stop it, stop it, boy, that's

enough, that's enough of that. You want to care about people's jobs and about chaos and things like that. So football season goes through January, if we met the playoffs, the national championships, so we'll see who's prediction bears out first.

“All right, okay, we'll do that, I think yours is probably, well, you know, you can't”

not sense into people. Well, now you're gonna rule for Alabama. All right, how do you know? I know I can't, because my sense at Michigan. Oh, oh, are they, they're a rival, right?

They're a big rival.

Well, like, I mean, I'm going to speak in the game on parents weekend, I'm sorry, to give

you that information. You're gonna have so much fun. I mean, I love college football periods, you're gonna have so much fun, but Michigan did beat us in Nick Sabin's last game before he retired, so I'm still taking that one personally. Yeah, I don't really care who wins, honestly.

Okay, then I don't. I don't. But don't lose. That statement pains me. Go for it.

So when a friend of mine who I've converted to being an Alabama football fan, he was in Greece, and he said he saw a guy wearing an Auburn shirt, and then he goes, "F" Auburn. And the guy was so caught off guard by this random person in Greece going after him.

“And I was like, I love that we have spread it and we've got, yeah, Alabama fans out there.”

I'll consider it. Oh, I don't, I'm not a very good fan, and the only person in the fan of right now is Dali, friggin' part, and what a legend. What a legend, and again, Dali, you are, what a, what a life well-lived, and what a saint. Yeah, and also what a great reminder of how to live your life, how to do it.

And the fact that we got to exist on the same planet is her, it's so special to me. Exactly. That's what I mean that. And we got to exist on the same planet. Yeah.

Yeah. How cool is that? We heard the same existence as Dali. It's true. It's amazing.

No fucks given in the most kind way possible. Yes. I love kindness. That's such a good encapsulation actually, I prefer. Yep.

I love that. Yep. But lots of fucks given, too. Which is anyway. All right.

On the things that count. Anyway, we want to hear from you, send us your question about business tech or whatever's on your mind. Go to nmymag.com/pivot to submit a question for the show or call 855-151-Pivot. Caitlin, thank you so much.

You're wonderful.

“I really think you're one of my, I got my mother to watch you.”

She was a fox. She's a fox, a news person.

She's always on her thing and I change it and she goes, put that nice, I am sorry.

I'm objectified she was that very good looking young woman. I love her. She's really calm. Your calm is allowed to objectify. I know.

That's I'm fine because she's so superficial. But well, I love that. Yeah. Thank you for having me. It's been cool.

You could have a career in podcast. You may think about it. You're pretty good. You're pretty good. I give you an A and that's the show.

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