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Scott, you're back after a whole month.

We have a lot of news to talk about, and we've got politics and AI, and so much happened. It was a lot, where are you are way?

“Yeah, I think we should, I don't like to make this about me.”

We should just best write it. Wait, what is that, Kara? What is that? It's a sign, isn't it? That's right.

For all of you out there, you've suffered from withdrawals. I get it. I get it. You don't want me. You need me.

That's right, you've been good. You've been very good. And here's your reward.

Oh God, your shirt is off.

His shirt is off people, of course it's off. That's right, ladies. Look at the shoulders. Look at the shoulders. I want you to know, for those of you out there, I've learned a lot, and I've learned a lot.

I just saw it.

“My jokes are totally inappropriate, and I'm going to be much more sensitive to your needs.”

I think of myself, Kara. I think of myself now as a feminist. By the way, by the way, think of me as your prefrontal cortex pornography. I'm a 141 IQ 61 year old who's economically secure with people who love him unconditionally. What do you get?

You get unfiltered, unedited insights. And if it happens to you, we're all going to be fine. And by the way, another gift, another gift. For all the haters in the comments. You don't take off your parents, friends.

You tell her not to associate with me. Yes. I've got to give for you. I promise for the next 11 months. Here's my gift to you.

Okay. Zero. Fox. Given. That's right, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.

Progressive weirdos. It is not the former secretary of state. It is not a female comedian. It is not some woke, sub-stacker who's renting Kara's carriage house. And it is most definitely not a guy with great hair.

From them us now. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, and also the good media buyers from athletic greens and separate quarters. Ladies and gentlemen, it is 11 months of unfiltered. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

Woo. Okay. Oh my God. Put your shirt back on. Woo!

Oh my God. Okay, hold on. I am literally going to have to fire him like yesterday. Okay. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Please kill humanity. Can I just say, hey, I cannot kill us soon enough. [laughs] Sometimes that works, I don't think I did. I have one thought on that entire apartment.

Just one. Just one. You're still not as hot as his son, Pike. Oh, my God, did you see that photo? He's right.

I know you're out of breath, because I'm Pike. Or wouldn't be out of breath. Cara, it's 51. This is like, this is not easy. Even has hopped up on testosterone and NAD as I am.

Oh, I'm a little tired because I had to carry the entire business and my back for the past four weeks. Yeah, but I will say I thought you did in the team did a great job.

It's a little bit jelly, the views and the downloads and the comments were all very positive. Yeah, yeah, a lot of them.

“A lot of many people have come up to me and they enjoyed all the Scotryogas co-hosts.”

They were amazing, and they were all different.

They all had a good time, but they had huge, tiny feet to fill. No, it's used to fill. Huge sandals to fill. Huge sandals to fill. Tiny sandals to fill.

They were great. They were great. Did you have a favor? Did you have a favor of them? I'm curious.

Oh, you probably guess my favorite. My favorite is Secretary Clinton and the insight she had that really struck me was when you asked her what are the qualities you would want to see the next president I was waiting for. Empathy, geopolitical understanding. And she said whoever can win the electoral call.

Yeah. She's the rest tax that way. And that's where I am. I'm like let this let this incredible process called the primary run and not only find a right person but the right person for the moment.

But I thought that was actually quite simple and quite insightful. As you know, I love the Secretary. Yeah, she's she was she was on morning goes morning another, you know, she's she was really good. Uh and and anyone's hair that you like besides Caitlin Collins, Caitlin was fantastic.

Oh my god, that that tall drink of water from MS now.

Yes. What's that guy's name? Jacob's super off. Yeah, that guy's a star. I don't I couldn't hear a word he said.

Yeah. I just kept looking at him. He's very handsome. He's dreaming. I got wanted to end on a dreamy man.

That's the thing. He's also happens to be smart, you know, they say about ladies. Well, they're all smart. Okay, smart is not in short supply. They're all the most pop.

They're all the prom king that also got a scholarship in journalism. They're all literally cut from the same cloth. Yeah. They were really good. Not all materials.

Cubans on a journalism. Uh, you know, as Chelsea's not a journal. They're all great storytellers. That's something they all have in common. How's like that comedian?

I thought he was smart. Right with June. Yeah. That's good. What did you do?

“What tell me about your adventures while you were away from me?”

Um, a lot of time with family. Okay. I try to get really fit during August. I actually quite frankly, I got. I'm just being serious for a moment.

It freaked me out about the idea of retirement because I've just. I had too much time off. Yeah. And I'm not good with that much time off. Neither.

Yeah. I start getting too much in my head. Mm-hmm. And, you know, give a busy person something to do and it gets done. If I'm not busy, I get down on my, I recognize I need to be busy.

Right. And it was actually too long a break. And I was sort of, Joseph, I started on my next book. I spent some time on that. The most rewarding thing was I got to hang out with my boys and the cousins.

And, you know, that family stuff. So that was nice.

But it was basically a very indulgent August.

Yeah. It's very hard to, for me to vacation. I didn't know. You don't fake. I don't.

I don't really know. And I've, I've talked to brother about this. We're both worried. I've got you are. I mean, it's one thing to love your work and get energy from it.

What you do. You, you are the hardest working man in show business. Thank you. I, you know, I actually, it's relaxing to me. I know it sounds crazy.

But I know. I got it. I don't do well sitting around. I don't know what to do. I want to clean something.

If I could change anything in your life though, I would tell you not to travel as much. I don't care how much you like work. Travel takes a toll on you. It does.

It does. And this falls not great. But I have, I have a big chunks of time here at the house. We spent, you know, we, we went to a lot of places went to Vermont. I mean, this summer and stuff like that.

But while you were gone, you know, we were in New York at the new place. Quite a bit. You know, we're working a lot. Yeah. Yeah. And we're playing some really cool stuff.

We're doing. I just, I just really feel it's really important at this moment in time. Well, you're gone. But I did do one thing that I think was very good. I participated in the cat distribution system.

I'm just going to open this bag here and let out our new family pet stripes, the cat. Oh, wow. Say hi to stripes. Hi stripes. How do you do? Oh, there he goes.

Is this the only pet you have in the household? No, I have another cat. We were, we stopped. We drove up to New York in the car because we liked to bring a bunch of stuff up. And there was a rest up in Maryland and Northern Maryland.

And there wasn't like a McDonald's one. It was like a, a state one. And there were porta pottys and Clair didn't want to use the porta potty. And so we were like, oh, we'll fight. We'll go behind the shed or something like that.

And she got a bathroom. And there was a, this cat was there just mowing away and very friendly. Nobody around, clearly skinny as can be. And so we put her in a box in the car and took her up to New York. Got her checked full of fleas and ticks and worms.

Everything else, just a stray cat. And I have a cat. I have lovely who is not very happy about the situation. Yeah, I was going to say how are they getting along. Well, we'll see.

“We'll see you have to keep in the park because she's still got to be dewormed in everything else.”

She's on medically on medication and everything. But it was lovely. This cat is lovely.

You know the cat distribution system. It's called the cats find their way to a home. It's, it's not everybody. Some people get you get your dogs from a breeder, right? Correct.

Is that correct? Yeah, because I want to see more strayes put down. No, I got one from I did. I've always had.

I've always had rescue dogs.

Yeah. It has a gift to myself on my birthday. I've always wanted a great day. And when you get a rescue dog, it's as if they know you've saved their lives. They're healthier.

They're happier in general. They're just better dogs. Mostly because they don't inbreed them. But I had a great day when I was very young. And I've always wanted a great day.

Yeah, you're beautiful. I afforded myself to luxury of getting a quote unquote pure bread. But if the 10 dogs I've had nine have been rescued.

“Yeah, I think it's really important for kids to have pets.”

I think it's important for people to have pets. Very good. Every animal I found has found me. Like either showed up. I found one of my dogs in a box.

Lovely. I did get from the ASPCA. It's stuff like that. So I urge everybody for the fall to get yourself a pet. If it makes you feel better, you feel better with animals.

And you, particularly, I think get a lot of comfort from your pets. It seems like it to me.

Here's, first of all, I've never had a cat.

And there's something special about a species that can look and deeply into your soul. Well, knocking your coffee off your camera. I'm watching my coffee right here. We'll just talk about animals for a second. I, you know, as I've talked about a lot, I struggle or do struggle with depression.

And I have this kind of series of hacks for trying to reverse the download spiral. And one of them is my dog sleep with me. And I let them up on the couch, which I usually don't do. And the warmth and proximity to mammals is really restorative. Yeah, absolutely.

It's really important. Anyway, I urge everyone to get a cat. Stripes is now a member of our family. Didn't have a chip. Didn't have, we did the whole, like, got all the shots.

We'll get her fixed at some point. But we're doing happy. We're happy. The kids are really excited. But Stripes is here to stay.

Anyway, let's get going. We just don't, it's got you. Miss so much. Got it. Jesus.

I did. I feel out of it. I was really intimidated by today. I was really nervous about it. No, you're going to be great. We're going to do a lightning round. Can you do that?

I love lightning round. I'm not much like a strike a lightning.

I'm more like a tsunami that lasted three days in my hand first.

We're not going to do that. More like a tsunami round. You said you'd be crisp. Yeah. So, let's be crisp.

I mean, I couldn't believe how much news there was. That was the one thing. Have you get over it? Well, Trump is, like, speaking of tsunami. It's just constant.

Hanging terror, hugging face. All these people dying. Yes. Exactly. Huge loss.

Let's start with that. Including Dolly Parton. Gloria Steinem. A whole range of people. Thoughts?

Well, like, a Dolly Parton and Gloria Steinem built empires on their own. But they did it differently. They went direct to consumer. They were kind of they didn't ask for permission. The quotes that summarized their lives in my view.

Dolly said, I love her quote she said. The ones who loved me made up for the ones who didn't. That to me just kind of captures her generosity. Gloria Steinem, my favorite quote I hers was.

“I think a truly liberated woman has had sex before marriage and a job after.”

I thought that just, like, perfectly encapsulated her. Also, throughout these, if you're a woman and you have a credit card and a checking account, you kind of have to nod to Gloria Steinem. I mean, she really did have a big impact. She didn't.

The one that didn't get enough attention or the one that. Sure. Yeah, so it sort of moved me was Tim Curry. Not because. Oh, of course.

I mean, he had an outstanding career. But the Rocky Horror Picture show was a cultural phenomenon. There was a kid named Rick Peteski in my high school who was overweight. Not very smart, not athletic, not very nice. It had very little quote unquote social capital.

And I was an usher at the U.S. cinema and Westwood. And the man, bro, and I've been fired from most of the movie theaters in Westwood. And we played the Rocky Horror Picture Show every Friday night. And Rick, I recognized him. Rick, this total door used to come in a white tuxedo every Friday night for the Rocky Horror Picture Show.

And people, two thirds of the audience would be dressed up as characters. Yeah, sure. And there was a moment. There's a moment in the film with a super hot guy. Someone will remind us in the comments.

He's sleeping, and I guess he's nervous because he's actually in a movie. And his muscle begins to twitch. And Rick would climb up on stage, which you're not supposed to do in a movie. And he would point at the muscle twitching. And the entire audience would stand up and go ape shit crazy for Rick.

Yeah. Yeah. And similar to my favorite writer, John Irving.

“The Rocky Horror Picture Show, I think, gave license to an audience and people to recognize”

how strange people are. Yes. But they, that's, there's a beauty and a wonder in that. And all these freaks and weirdos used to show up for the Rocky Horror Picture Show.

They liked themselves.

And they had a great time.

“So it wasn't so much Tim Curry's passing.”

It was, I thought that movie was sort of, you know, people got dressed up for Star Wars. It was a cultural phenomena. I agree. So let's get through the rest of these.

Trump's trade war with Canada, give me a sense or two. We've declared war on the nation that has bought more of our goods over the last six years and any other nation. It's the definition of stupid. We sell a thousand dollar iPhone into Canada, 60 points of margin. P of 30.

We make $18,000 in shareholder value. They sell low margin crude oil into us. This trading relationship has been so widely a creative and asymmetric benefiting us. And when I was a kid, my mom made a nine year old walk to the corner because she didn't want to see my dad's car. And it's like, look, you were married to this guy for a while.

And regardless of what you think of Canada, the notion that we're somehow going to disentangle ourselves from a partner where we've been married for 60 years. Auto parts cross the border back and forth eight times before a final finish in assembly.

They sell a hundred and twenty billion dollars of energy into our nation.

You want to talk about energy security. We're going to start talking with Canada. And this isn't even about the morality of turning on your best friend in the world. This is, this is just plain. Not only is it stupid, it's impractical.

There is no way we are separating from Canada. Yeah, I bet he's trying to offend them with Lake America, Lake Ontario. Just yesterday I was at an event where Julie pays head of AP said they're not changing it. The apple and Google doing that was pretty easy. Well, they're changing the name of the San Andreas Fault to Joe Biden's fault.

God, where do you find that? Yeah, someone had a good one also. That apple got ready for its phone. We'll talk about that a little later by already folding to Trump. They're already good at folding.

So dropping your son off of college. Well, you've done this. Yeah. Your world gets smaller so there's can get bigger. And I would be proud of me.

I wasn't emotional. I didn't want to make his drop off all about me. Right, good idea. And it helped that he basically just shoved us out of the room. Oh, right.

I wanted to do his own thing. What's helped me is I speak to him every day.

He's having an amazing time.

I think UVA is an amazing institution. It makes me feel really good about America. We do a few things really well. We make the best weapons, the best technology, the best superhero films. We also have the best universities in the world.

So it's just nice to see what a wonderful time is having. I speak to him every day. And also, in you forwarded me this text message. I went back to the hotel. And I was sitting outside and a car pulled up to one of the dorms.

And a kid got out of the front seat. A mom got out of the driver's seat. A dad for some reason got out of the back seat. And the dad and the son embraced. And then the dad had to walk away.

And he began sobbing. And then I just lost my shit. So I said, I set on my other podcast. This dad did my crying for me. And then I guess the guy the guy contacted you?

Well, he's a friend of someone I work with. Yeah, she was thrilled. She's a big pivot to me. I mean, think about that. Think about that.

I know small world. Yeah, anyways, but but you've been you've been through this. I have. I have. I have.

And I'm going to go through two more times. One of the things they said, you know, you say there's not. You spend 90% of your time your kids and then 18. That's where it is. I don't believe that.

I talked to Louie and Alex all the time. Louie, even more so. Now that he's living in the house in San Francisco.

“But I, I think you, you have a whole new relationship with your kids.”

It's really fun. It's really wonderful. I sort of, I we call it adulting my kids and I joke about calling it adulting. I help them adult. And you're going to really enjoy this period of your relationship with your son.

But it's hard. It's still hard. I mean, it's hard. No matter how you select it. Yeah.

I didn't want to settle with my emotional baggage. Also, it's the thing I'm struggling with now is. You know, people talk about purpose. I think purposes you wake up one day and realize you're not going to get a traditional ROI on something, but you still continue to do it and get reward from it.

That's your purpose. I think like a lot of people, I woke up and realized I was on my purposes to raise men for others. And now I'm struggling with what's next, right? What's?

They're going to do their own thing. They're going to find their own way. Like what? What? And again, see about too much time off in August to be in my head.

“I'm struggling a little bit with, okay, now what is my purpose?”

Yeah. Yeah. Most under reported business story this summer. The most mischaracterized story, the hugging face break. Everyone's talking about isn't it wild?

These things are sentient and they meet at the cooler and they devise strategies.

I think this is all such a bullshit narrative to absolve these people of any responsibility. That's correct.

And there is always an off switch.

Atoms don't decide independently to fuse and release energy and set the atmosphere on fire. There is always a human that is decided to push the button. And I go back as I do often to my fraternity days. I was inter fraternity council president or as I like to call it, the king of the jar heads. And the neighbors got together and said, "We are done with rush week and all the noise."

And said, "All noise music has to be off my midnight." And I met with the head of the UCPD and I'm like, "What do you want me to do? I can't control these guys." And they said, "We have an idea." And they didn't tell me what it was.

The next night, they showed up to every fraternity that was playing music after midnight. And they said, "Who's the president?" And they arrested the president and that kid had to spend the night in jail. If you hold Sam Altman and Dar Hill on a day and such an endell of responsible for what these bots do, guess what?

They're going to figure out a way. I love it.

It's not about incentives.

Incentives. And there's notion that they're sentient and doing jailbreak. They're doing the stuff on their own. And isn't it powerful?

“And you should buy into my two trillion dollar market?”

No. The next time one of these companies does this, if you put Sam Altman in jail, guess what folks still figure it out. They will figure it out. They will figure it out.

This story that is sort of getting people bought by others, a lead researcher at Anthropics, that he believes there is an over 10% chance that AI could kill all humans. Oh God, here we go. It's they're killing the humans.

It's not AI. It's they're AI. There's a wizard behind the curtain. Every curtain has a wizard behind. Yeah, 100%.

That's a great story. I was going to say the same thing, hugging things. But though the hugging phase situation is terrifying. The cultural story that I don't think got enough attention and I think she deserves real kudos for it was AOC being very transparent about her freezing her eggs.

Oh, very good.

“Well, as I think about gender equality and inequality,”

biology is not politically correct. And one of the things that is really hamstrung equality is that women's fertility window is 20 years and men is 50. So women during the prime, earning years, the prime mating years are quite frankly operating under a different set of constraints than men.

And when we extend the fertility window for women, we give some, not all some of the leverage and power back to women. So probably the best forms of, I don't even call it equal rights is extending the fertility window of women. So if women set to they can say, I don't like the guy I'm dating at 28.

And I don't feel this massive need to to mate right now because my fertility window is being extended. So I think anything that does that in my opinion. Yeah, she was great. She'd normalizes it, especially with someone as an impressive and as attractive as AOC.

I think that's a good thing. I thought she was good. Best thing you watch on streaming. Beef. It means light lotus. It's all about income inequality and stress.

They have a different show every season, just for people to know. Yeah, I'm on season one. You've seen it. It reminds me of parasite.

“Yeah, I find it uncomfortable because I think the story.”

70% of divorce filings are by women, but what people don't. People think the divorce is a function of a lack of shared values or infertility. It's not. Economic anxiety is the biggest plague in a manifest in ways through health care system. People worried about not only getting sick, but going broke.

Economic anxiety. And a lot of it not only because of a scarcity of economic security. But comparison being the thief of joy. Because with social media and expectations that genders have placed on each other. You can be doing well and you can still feel very unhappy because you don't have a golf stream.

You don't have, you're not vacationing at the Omangiri. And the class system and the extreme wealth in the fact that it's not evenly distributed. It really makes for great storytelling. And I find the show gripping and also quite uncomfortable. What do you think?

I like the first season. I saw it. I have to say furious is the one that's attending. Oh, you're like furious. I've heard a little about it.

Yeah, you know, where you were for the lady serial killer, which is amazing.

There's a ton of great stuff out there. And more to come, it looks like from all the trailers I'm seeing. Finally, what was the, I mean, I have seen that we can talk about this later. But I've seen the musk documentary for hours. It was terrific.

It was a searing indictment. I knew everything about this guy. And I thought Alex Gibney did the most astonishing job at 40 hours. It is for hours. There's a there is a intermission.

There's an intermission. I have to say it worked. And let me tell you, you know, who puts him down. All the women. His ex wife.

Ashley. There's something about having just having kids with a bunch of different women, including women who are concurrently suing you for not seeing those children to create some animosity. Well, I have to say they articulate his, his problems really well, especially justine musk.

And Ashley St. Claire also did a great job. Lots of women take him down, I think. And I thought it was a great. Okay, what's the best worst thing in August aside from being separated from me? Well, time with time with family, best thing to much time in my head.

I'll go to the best worst things the Trump administration did. Okay. Worsing hands down is this declaring war on your friends.

“This Churchill said the only thing worse than fighting with your allies is fighting with”

Adam. We've decided to fuck without our allies. I just don't, I mean, this just makes no sense. It all to the Trump administration's credit probably the best brand move. I think politically of the last 30 days was detaining my loyanopolis.

I thought quite frankly them, them saying we don't care how conservative and fucking crazy RIO are and how hateful and weird you are, we're deporting you. And whether you find it cynical or not, it was a very smart brand move on their part. Yeah, that's a really good. Okay.

All right. We're going to quick break now. We come back. There's lots of new news, including Trump makes a cash promise, making a money to American voters. He's making promises he can't pay for.

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Trump said the war with Iran would be over very shortly after the election. Yes, the set prices would come down after the election. He also warned that Democratic victory would put a communist caucus in charge of Congress. But notably, he made a big promise to American voters. Let's listen.

Because of our economic tremendous economic success, like in history we've never had anything like what's happening.

“But because of our tremendous strength and success economically, I will issue a dividend to every adult citizen in the United States of America for $5,000.”

Very much like a successful company will do a distribution to a shareholders. That we don't have money. He's calling it the Trump dividend and says the money would have to be spent in the US. Trump didn't explain where the funding will come from. Of course, we have a massive deficit under Donald Trump sending $5,000 every adult in the U.S. We cross roughly $1.3 trillion.

Of course, pesky legal obstacles. It's not about this. Well, it's not about need and math. About need, 10% of U.S. adults live in poverty, 15% of children, but he's decided not to give it to the children who need it. Let's talk about the math.

$1.3 trillion.

This would, in absolutely no revenue plan for it.

This would all be deficit funded. So let's talk about what this is. This is effectively saying to every household, I'll give you a credit card that's preloaded with $5,000. But your kid, a newborn, in 18 years, is going to owe $13,000, that even if you die, they still owe.

So my question to every voter would be the following. If someone offered you a preloaded credit card for $5,000, but your kid in 18 years would have non-dischargeable debt of $13,000.

“Because of the good times you had 18 years ago, would you decide to accept that credit card?”

And the scary thing, Cara, is the answer may be yes. Because you can't just blame Republicans for what has been decades of fiscal irresponsibility. George Washington to George Bush, seven trillion in deficits, George Bush to trump two another 33 trillion. And then, and the Republicans have been worse,

but this has been a bipartisan effort, this fiscal irresponsibility. And at some point, the voters have to take responsibility for continuing to elect people and fall for this bullshit irresponsible rhetoric. And what disappoints me about many of the people, you and I speak to every day who want to be the Democratic nominee for president.

None of them are talking about this. At some point, someone has to stand up and say, this is how I would restore fiscal sanity. Am I going to raise taxes or cut spending?

“The answer is yes, and they outline a reasonable plan for doing this.”

Not one Democrat who is running for president has outlined anything resembling a plan. I don't know, I think. Rom's getting close, but not really. Right. Rom has done more than anyone else, but he still hasn't said we're going to take.

We're going to mean tests. No one has actually put a chart on the wall and said, this is how we do it. Yep, absolutely because it's not a sexy thing to do. You'd rather just have these ridiculous food fights.

When Joy, a very popular bumper sticker is I can cut your taxes and go to war. That bumper sticker works. And a voters keep falling for it. At some point Americans have to decide, it's like a Michelle Obama set. When asked if she wanted to run for president or wood.

She said America's not ready for a female president. I agree with her. I don't think it doesn't appear to me that America is appears to be ready for an adult conversation around our deficit. Around our money. I know, and it's going to kill us.

I know a lot of people say it off the record, but they never say it on the record.

And him pretending everything's going great is really. I mean, it's it's astonishing to watch, but this is just a bribe. This an attempted bribe and stupidity as usual. Another thing he says that everybody that occupies the, you know, the new cycle. He's very good at creating a new cycle that's stupid, like stupid new cycles.

Another big moment of speaking of which from the convention midterm convention was a surprise video appearance. I thought surprise, I said he was going to do it, by the way, a couple out of week ago. By democratic senator John Federman, something again, I predicted on threat. How did you, you predicted that early? How did you, did you do reporting?

You just get away, heard it from someone. And then I noticed that Dave McCormick had a surprise. And I know that they have been hanging out a lot. And so I thought, oh, it's got to be Federman. It just was sort of, you know, putting it together from a strategy point of view.

But, but I heard that it was going to happen from someone pretty good. Federman introduced his fellow Pennsylvania senator Dave McCormick and said he was willing to work with Trump. I don't know what it meant. The appearance field, more speculation.

I don't think he's going to do that in the statement.

“He, he comes out of a lifelong Democrat and said that Dems put the Senate.”

He's staying put. He's probably going to lose his job. He's much the numbers for him in Pennsylvania really devastating. But you're a couple years on his tenure. It comes in the heels of a Wall Street Journal report that he has shown little interest in day to day walker being a senator.

He really likes being on television. He wouldn't meet with veterans. This was a devastating report. And it's not, he says it's disgruntled staffers. It seems to be all his staffers think he's an asshole.

And he's not doing the job of getting back. And you know, I've heard from lots of people in Pennsylvania. They're not getting their constituent services. It's a Bob Casey would have done or others. Even, even McCormick.

He seems to like to be on Fox News quite a bit. Not like it's a disease of a lot of those people. But any, any thoughts on this? I had two observations about Trumpalooza. And that is, and granted, I'm biased.

And as much as, as weak as a Democratic brand is right now. If you look at where the Republican brand is, there isn't a more GOP. No, it's just Trump. John Thune, you may not like his politics. But he's what I would call a ground zero for the GOP.

He's, he's conservative, he's dignified. He strikes me as a fairly rational actor. He got booted. There's no longer a GOP. There's Trump and there's MAGA.

And unless MAGA is able to produce a number of Trump-like characters, they can create that cult-like feel, because they've hollowed out the GOP. The second observation is federalmen. I think his, like a lot of these senators decided.

“The most important thing in life is to cling to power,”

like an African dictator. That's probably a hate crime. And he's, I saw his appearance as optionality. And that is, he gets leverage from the Democrats by showing up there. Yeah, even though they call them Benedict Arnold.

Yeah, but you got a bit, the Democrats aren't nervous about him flipping. And also, if shit gets really bad, he might flip. So he's basically, he's basically kind of senator cinema minus the charm.

There's always one or two senators that realize they're being a holdout

and being on the fence and threatening to go the other way, gives them enormous leverage. And that Wall Street Journal piece was really damning. And so I think he's probably thinking, if I can't get re-elected as a Democrat,

maybe I'll get re-elected as a Republican. He won't let me just say he won't. But that he won't. He will lose. And then he will be a flood.

You think he's out? You think it's out? He'll make a Democrat get elected. Like they'll bring in Conor Lamb or someone. Right.

A Pennsylvania is not like this. Like it's very, like they like a jot. Like it's interesting because my family lives there. A lot of my family. And my brother is, I would say, conservative.

But he loves the governor. He loves governor. Yeah, I'm just saying he anyone effective. And I don't think they find him effective.

“And I think that's, you know, he definitely supported McCormick.”

I think he thinks he's competent. But he loves the governor. And he, you know, it's not quite as angry maga as other states. What's speaking of something that was pretty appalling. Trump is sticking to his latest story about what he did in the aftermath of the 9/11

and insisting his latest account is exactly accurate. Trump's version of events has evolved over the years. What he said earlier this week. That is state steel building was creaking really creaking. Now we thought it was going to fall down.

The truth is it creaked a lot.

It creaked is still creaks. But it never came down. And I'll never forget two firemen. We thought it was coming down on top of us in two firemen. Big strong guys.

And I'm not the smallest guy in the world. They grabbed me under the arms. They got to get out of here. And they literally lifted me up. This is not easy to do.

I'm big. They lifted me up and they started running with me. I said, fellas, I can run myself. But they were amazing. But they thought it was coming down.

It didn't come down. US steel. I, you know, creaking. A photos and videos show Trump and lower Manhattan on September 13th and 18th. Not until then.

But there were no reports or evidence that is firefighter rescue. So what he definitely did on 9/11 is he called a local TV station in Bragg. That now he had the tallest building in Lower Manhattan, which he also didn't. He won't be a New York for the 25th anniversary of 9/11 reportedly because he wasn't allowed to give a speech. He'll be at the Pentagon.

And Jamie Vance will be at Ground Zero with all the ex-presidents. Of course he's trying to make 9/11 about him. I thought this was one of the more following things. You know, you know, all of this is a politicization around this memorial. 25th anniversary.

Obviously Rudy Giuliani who was made it his brand in a really grotesque way. He did a great job at the time. But he has to stop making it all about him.

Then Mundani very quickly released all these incredible documents showing how the Giuliani administration hid the dangers of what was happening down there.

And then had John Stewart there who's been a real of all the many things John Stewart has done. Howard has done his backing of cancer. It's been astonishing. And then of course reports out. And the cancer has enormous for the people who were down there.

You know, my Amanda was underneath the World Trade Center at the time of the attack. I wrote it to her.

“I was like, did you get breathing a lot of that stuff?”

She luckily got out very quickly and moved away from the area. Really quickly. She felt it was toxic. It was not happening. But it thoughts about this Trump.

Just this is Cortesca. This to me.

I don't know why I was like.

It was such stolen valor essentially. Yeah, we become dumb to it. He's the lying. That's like an 80% chance he's lying. Or 20% has become so seen out.

He believes his own mythology himself. But either it's not befitting of a president. The controversy around Mundani. That's ridiculous. He's the mayor of New York.

“And we'll kind of come back to the end of the show.”

But after 9/11, I was in New York. And you could go down to the pile and volunteer to give out. You know, you could just go down and volunteer. And the CEO of AMB at the time. Now he's a CEO of Prologa.

Some meed Moga Dom, who's a mentor of mine. He called me. And he said, do not go downtown. I mean, he went out of his way. There's a busy guy to deliver one message to me.

He said, there are millions of tons of pulverized vaporized cement, asbestos and glass in the air right now. And he said, do not go downtown. And this was before people were talking about. And by the way, this was I, there was nothing malicious here.

But Christian Todd Whitman really fucked up. Because more people have died in the aftermath from airborne illness and cancers than died on 9/11.

“And, you know, our government is supposed to keep us safe.”

She issued statements saying it was safe. It was not. This was a real error on the part of our leadership. Yeah, I was kind of, I'm glad the mum done administration release those documents. I can't believe they weren't released 25 years.

They even known about the situation. And you can't be perfect in those, and that was a terrible crisis. But, man, it was sort of like, I don't know. I was like, of course, they lied about it. And they didn't give people enough warning, especially the workers down there.

And the levels of cancer that are showing up right now, they get cancer quicker. Governor Pataki is claiming he has cancer from 9/11 airborne related illness. Because he was down there a lot. I recall speaking people were down there a lot, not Donald Trump.

But I agree with you. It's one stupid thing after another with Trump every fucking day. But, you know, whether it's Natalie R or whatever dumb shit that happened with him all the time. But this one, I, I was really like, you were Pauling fuck. Like, I don't know what else to say. I was like, this is, these people risk their lives.

All these people died. It is a cemetery. It was a cemetery. You know what I mean? And to try to like focus on himself.

Like, is there no, like, to me? That was a, that was a moment for our country and it's not his to have. Anyway, let's go in a quick break. We come back, apple introduces a foldable phone. They're really good at folding, as I said.

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It's first foldable phone and the first major new product launch under New CEO John Ternis.

The $2,000 phone opens like a book with a 5.4-inch screen when closed in the 7.6-inch display when open. Kind of like an iPad size experience when it's open, but 20 times the price or whatever a lot more. It's someone said it's an iPad at the cost of a MacBook Air. The Duo arrives years after Samsung 7 years and other rivals entered the foldable market. My brother actually has a Samsung phone, which still accounts for less than 2% of the global smartphone shipments.

It's not a foldable phones have not taken off that much. Some people think it's a great version of this, and as Apple is not a pioneer as often as it copies and does a good job. Everyone who just had it says it's great that I've talked to, what do you think? I may buy one, I can't tell if I want it.

“I think it looks great and I like foldable phones and I am in the Apple universe, but it's not particularly inventive.”

It's just derivative in a good way. I don't know what else to say about it. My former colleague at Stern and now at talk had this great insight that really struck me and he said that the people that add the most shareholder value are not innovators. It's the second mouse. It's never the first. The first gets mud on their face or I was in their back and then someone comes in and scales it.

As you reference, this is a niche market right now, but Apple has a habit of coming in around MP3 players. Touch screens and laptops and making the more elegant and then making the more aspirational and blowing out the market from a margin standpoint. They're usually not the market leader, but they blow out in terms of margin because of the self-expression benefit, which is the strongest consumer brand in the world. I tried to order one last night. I couldn't. I don't know.

You can't until October. Maybe that's why. Yeah. There you go. But it is anecdotal because I like to signal and I'll do trying to an honest product.

I'd be very interested to know what you think or what what Mossberg thinks. I personally, if I had to bet, I think this is going to be a hit. I think Samsung is going to be so fucking angry that they came out with this thing seven years ago and within about six months. Not even six months. I bet within 60 days, Apple sells more of these than all foldable phones have been sold in the last seven years.

Do you think the price is too high? It's pretty high price.

“If you want to get a pretty decent memory in it, it goes up much higher by the way than 2000, 2000's the bottom.”

And if you trade in your phone, which you get, you know, like mine is about $650 to trade it in. I don't because everybody thinks vitana criteria are the ultimate luxury brands and not. The ultimate luxury brands are Stanford and MIT, but close second to those brands is Apple.

The billion wealthiest people on the planet, I'll have one thing in common.

They're all iOS. I've said this for a long time when you have an Android phone, you're saying to the world my life didn't pan out the way I hoped. iOS is the ultimate status symbol. It is the ultimate implicit way of saying I'm creative. I'm so good at what I do that I can afford to pay three months of salary and turkey on a phone.

And so I don't think $2,000 when you think about the other products in the amount of money people spend on luxury items. I don't think that, but again, I'm not the market because I'm more price and elastic than most people around things I want.

Yeah, yeah, a lot of people, though, say it's an iPad, three times the cost, but it looks really interesting. And you know, one of the reasons I was thinking of buying it with besides I heard a lot of good things from people who were there. You know, even Casey who is not a Casey Newton who's not some of the buys things right away was like I'm buying this thing. He must have seen it. Is that I'm tired of my iPhone.

I want something different. Yeah. I know that sounds crazy, but I've had this iPhone since the beginning of iPhones. And so I'm like, okay, I'm kind of bored with the with my and I need a little more space because I find myself watching a ton on my iPhone now. Like I experience a lot of video on the phone and stuff.

The keyboard is another issue.

“I think you can probably buy a little keyboard.”

It looks like suddenly I use my computer less and less and less and less and less now.

But that's the key point.

And that is, yeah, it's more expensive than iPhone, but it's less expensive than an iPhone and a laptop. Yeah. And if this and if this can obviate the need for two or reduce the need from both those things to one thing. That arguably it's a good value. Yeah, I absolutely will not be replacing my computer. I don't know what they could do.

I just it's fine. It's fine and I use it so little now that I find it interesting. I think if it's been on the keyboard, but even that it's I use these devices now as a watching device much more so that I've noticed that. I watch lots of videos on threads, by the way, which just Zuckerberg correctly said it just passed Twitter as a social media platform. I watch a lot of videos on this thing.

And I watch television. I watched a lot of furious on my iPhone, which was interesting when I was traveling. So I don't know. It'll be interesting to see. I'm going to get it.

You're going to get it. Yeah. You'll probably get six. You're probably going to get six of them. I'll just get one.

“I think the the most important size of anything, fill fill in the blank or bad joke.”

Bad joke here is the screen in terms of economic value. Tens of billions of dollars and influence have linked from a 90 foot screen known as movie theater to the television. And then the television leaked to the PC and that's linked to the to the phone. Yeah. I mean, just a you were talking about trillions of dollars of market capitalization has flowed down to smaller screens.

And where this is is what they basically said is there's a big market in between the space between your computer screen and your iPhone.

Because I am and again, I'm not the market. I now late at night have some trouble reading emails on my phone. And one of the reasons I'm going to buy this is I like the idea of just having a bigger and a slightly bigger interface. But I also don't want to pull out my laptop. I find I'm using my laptop less and less.

Yeah, even your iPad mini. I don't use that much. I don't know what I have it. I kids use it to watch stuff movies and car rides and things like that. I think a lot of people, but I think definitely the echelons, the top echelons are kind of going to be like.

I'll try it. This is beautiful. I think it's a beautiful version. The one thing I have two things I have.

One is I my brother has had the same song foldable phone.

And it's it breaks easily. That's one thing like the it breaks like the shattered thing. And so it doesn't look like you can have really a weight of protected as well. That it looks like there's not that on it because it can't have a one of the things on the back that everybody has on their phones. That's one thing.

I've noticed a lot of people have that the foldable phones have broken foldable phone. Broken screens. So I would worry about that. But maybe they've done something what rather strong. They're so good though, aren't they?

“They might come out with a good that's what I'm saying.”

They've had very few. They've had a few snappy was in that area, but in general, I suspect they solved that problem. Because every every designer is told me this is like the most beautiful design of this of what this is. And secondly, it's it's the uncomfortable relationship with tech companies. I'm just going to very quickly move to our last segment.

Is you know, as I said, I've seen the musk movie. I was pissed off. Probably stupidly, but still kind of irritated that they would suck up the Trump Google and. Apple, I put out instructions on how to use how to get off of Google maps. How to get off of search if you wanted to do it.

I changed to Dr. Go, which I like quite a bit. I have to say, I moved to Mac map quest, which is delightful to be back at Mac quest after all these years. I have to say it's missing a few features like subways and things like that. But it's lovely. It's a lovely.

I kind of like it. It's like fresh. I know it sounds dumb, but I'm so sick of Google maps. And so I remove those from my phones, and I showed people how to do it. I'm starting using the revolving browser instead of Safari.

I do want to separate myself, and it's not just a flex. It's like, I'm too much using these companies that have no. Sure, no values with me, like in some way, and I think I'm not. I was thinking, is this like a just a moral flex, but it is a moral flex.

And so I think people should start diversifying their uses.

And not using them totally. In this case, there is no choice.

“I am in the Apple universe, and I do not like Android.”

And so there's not a lot of choice here. But I definitely, you know, don't have the same relationship with Apple that I used to. I don't trust them. And that's one of the things that I will get this as a device. I don't have a lot of choice, but everything else on that phone.

I'm going to try to figure out to try to use other other technologies that don't. Like using duck.co and clawed together works beautifully. It's replaces Google search completely. I don't need to use Gemini. I don't need to use stuff like that.

I don't know. Have you feel that way? But I do. I think this should rename it to Lake. Are we doing this again?

Or Lake Fstein Lake. Lake from State Farm.

Yeah, or Lake Obama changed Lake Michigan to Lake Obama or something like that.

It's so stupid. This again, I follow this under distraction because one one prediction I'm fairly confident. Assuming Democrats retake the house and possibly the chamber and there's a democratic president. All of which are looking increasingly likely. Within 30 days, we're going to re rename all of this.

I know. I'm not irritated by Trump. I'm irritated by that. Like a Trump is of course sad, narcissistic, dimensional man. Like, I get it with course he's going to do this.

It's them that I really find. Rejectual and watching these movies. Where they make the case for their incredibly bad morals. And no, no, no guardrails is sort of like, yeah, I'm sick of these fuckers. Like, I'm tired of having to put up with this shit.

And maybe we could use our consumer power. Like you did with your efforts. I want to rename it.

Lake Sam the first night at the club when you left.

Ron made out with two girls and put his head between the cocktail waitresses. Brass. I think that's.

“I think that's how we should be named Lake.”

Yeah. Yeah. Ontario. Yeah. Anyway, get it over with you on this one.

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We're going to do something a little different. This episode is airing on the 25th anniversary of 9/11. And we wanted to look back on that day. Take it away. Well, I want to hear your thoughts.

Some people are, some people earn their way into history. Whether it's storming the beaches of Omaha or refusing to give up a bus seed. Or we talked about glory, Stein and Daly part into sheer force of character. And talent. Mine was serendipity around 9/11.

I was living in, I just moved to New York. And my ex, who I was still, I'm so good friends with, called me and said, can you come over? And she had an apartment that overlooked downtown. And had this unbelievable deck.

“And she said, can you come over the world trade centers on fire?”

And I said, sure, so I bombed over there. And my friend Greg show of close friend came with me. And we were over there. And it was the world trade center was on fire. And then, and we saw this go down, we saw a plane flying low.

And then disappear behind one of the second tower.

And then it explosion out the other end. And at that moment, it took about 10 seconds to figure out, oh, fuck. We're under attack. This is terrorism. And each of the three of us had different reactions.

And six avenue became a sea of people just coming up from up. Though one of the largest maritime rescue was not done Kirk. It was actually ferries lifted or sequestered or got 500,000 people from the lower Manhattan rescue them by water. And I remember the radio.

If I came on the radio and said, there's 17 planes on a count of four.

“And immediately you thought, are we in one of the tall buildings that might be targeted next?”

And some of the things I noticed about the city during those three days was it was silent. No one was honking their home horn. It just went eerily quiet. Except you would on a regular basis see someone on their phone sobbing that they just received bad news. There was also a total absence.

They've immediately fired up and called in all nurses and emergency room doctors thinking they'd have a flood of people into the hospitals. They didn't. You were either killed or survived. And one of the more disturbing things was I walked over to Washington Square Park where they were having a memorial. And a bunch of people who were searching for missing people were walking around passing out flyers like a lost pet.

And you'd see all these people there'd be huge groups of people trying to be supportive of their friend passing out flyers. And someone would come up to you and give you a flyer with a picture of their son. I remember one was a waiter from Windows of the World and is a waiter uniform. And you knew that this person was gone. And yet these people were in this park passing out these flyers for days.

And it was just so so rattling per your comments, 3,000 people dead. More people have died because of as you pointed out some of the airborne illnesses. But a couple other things worth noting or the lessons I take from it on its 25th year anniversary just coming back to just how incredibly stupid.

Our invented war against an ally Canada is the airspace for the first time ever in America was closed.

Plains were diverted to Canada. And overnight about 7,000 people found themselves in Giend or Canada. Nearly doubling the population. They took them into their houses. They got additional prescription drugs.

They figured how dry cleaning they did their laundry. They figured out childcare.

“That's what Canadians did for us. That's the kind of friend Canada was to us during 9/11.”

And then the story trying to bring it back full circle to the midterms that really moved me was the story of flight 93. So flight 93, they actually had phones. And so the cockpit had been seized and they called in most previous hijackings the passenger survived. They tried to take them to a Havana or they land or they make demands. The standard operating procedure was to not do anything. And when they called, they, the twin towers had already been hit and it was obvious.

And they have recordings of a couple of passengers who recognize, "Okay, this is a suicide mission." And there's this one very dramatic moment where the guy says, "Okay, let's roll."

And they were basically filled up what they think was a meal cart and crashed into the cockpit.

And they're technically considered kind of the first heroes of 9/11 and just bringing it back to the midterms. You know, you're faced with this question of, "All right, we can hope that things work out." Or we can try and retake control of the cockpit, meaning it's probably not going to work out. And you know how they decide it? Yeah, they voted.

They voted. Yep, I remember.

“So where I go is just, whenever I think about that, I think about how blessed and under blessed we are, do we get to vote?”

And how much we under appreciate just what a powerful construct it is.

Right, I agree. Anyways, I, so there's a long, long-winded wave. I think I would like to see a law. I mean, thinking a lot about them in terms. I don't think anyone should get, or they should have reduced benefits. I don't think anyone should have a social media account if they don't vote. There are certain countries where you have to vote.

And I think especially, and I think this infects the left as much if not more than the right, the delta between the amount of bitching on social media and into a mic, relative to actual actions, that delta is growing broader and broader. And one simple way to somewhat narrow that delta is for God's sake's vote. Yep, very quickly, I was not in New York at the time, but I was headed to New York.

I was headed to DC in the New York. I was driving around the country with my ex-wife Megan. We just rented a van and a Volkswagen van and we're driving around with our dogs. Just to see the country, we don't it would be cool. I was pregnant, I didn't know it.

Because I had tried, and you know, usually takes a few times, but I got pregnant right away. And I slept a lot in the back of the van, and I should have known that that was the reason. And we stopped in Mississippi at Jim Barclays. He's a wonderful, speaking of wonderful tech people. Jim Barclays is the top of 18T and then that's good.

Yeah, then that's good.

Amazing, kind, wonderful person.

But we were there at their house, and his wife opened the door. We were leaving that morning, and she opened the door, and she goes, "Oh, you're not leaving." You know, in a big Southern accent, and I said, "Oh, I know you love us, but we're leaving." And she's like, "You're not going anywhere." And we ended up, you know, found out what was happening was shocking.

The entire thing, including the second building falling, in this redneck bar in Mississippi, and everybody was just devastated. There was no screaming, no fighting.

“Just total grief and shock, I think, that this could happen.”

And then we ended up driving around the country. We had to drive back to California after we went to Washington. It was -- everything was silent in the country. We drove across the country. I mean, not just New York everywhere, everybody was quiet.

And there were some banners around, you know, at highway overpass, like beautiful banners about, you know, remember the dead and stuff like that.

But I've never -- the entire country was in a stupor.

And it just was -- I -- to this day, it makes me so sad. It was such a formative experience. At the same time, I was pregnant, you know, and I ended up having Louis, you know, nine months later. But I think we all have to keep everything in mind of all the bravery that went happened. And this -- I was thinking today, you know, the guy, the duct tape I we didn't talk,

the guy that got duct taped. And I first for a minute, I thought it was you. The duct tape didn't do the seat for being racist and screaming and biting people. That's why his forehead was duct taped. And when I -- when I have a few cocktails on a plane, I become incredibly nice.

Yes, I get that. I'm teasing. I didn't think it was you at all. You never do something like that. And I thought that fucker. Like, I was like, I don't know why. I'm like, I'm so sick of these angry, privileged people when all these people sacrificed a lot.

And like, every country has had its crises and tragedies by the way. We were not the only ones. And it was brought home to us because we live in a country that's far away from others. So we don't experience that kind of devastation.

“But it makes you think of what's happening in key.”

And it makes you think what's happening, you know, all across the world. And we -- this is -- it's enough with the duct tape fucking guy. We're done with these people. And voters have to step up. And, you know, it's a privilege to live in this country.

And that was a real wake-up call. And I thought maybe we'll be a little better. And we have not gotten a little better. And we have to stop the handing power over to people that have no care for anything with themselves like the tech companies.

Like, you know, at this moment, it happens to be the Trump administration.

And that's -- I have to say 9/11 wasn't great.

“Could have been a great unifying moment.”

And it wasn't, right? You don't -- see, I would argue it was the last time we were unified. Yeah, I guess. I guess. But it should have had resonance.

And we should reflect on that on how we felt that day as a joint people.

And just put all these angry, grieved people behind us.

And move to a -- I don't know. I just feel like -- and, by the way, if AI is going to kill us by 2030,

“like maybe you didn't need to work out so much while you were a waste got.”

But, you know, we have to start seizing the power back from all the people who are not -- do not have our -- everybody's best interests at heart. Anyway, it was a devastating day. I think everybody should take a minute to reflect on themselves and this country. And, again, to the victims, I just -- what a terrible thing that happened.

And the only last thing I'd say is I'd recommend Tom Jonah wrote a story about the man who

who jumped to this incredible photograph they collected and sort of trace,

tried to figure out who that was, which I thought was a beautiful story. And the second one was by Jen senior about speaking of a waiter at Windows on the world, which was a beautiful place, by the way, if you had ever gone there. I went there for lunch once. I just -- I would recommend Jen senior's piece,

“and Tom Jonah's piece if you want to read some very beautiful pieces about that day.”

Anyway, on that sad note, Scott, I am thrilled you're back. I have to say that. It's great to be back. All right. We want to hear from you.

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