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“I don't want to see Donald Trump nakedness as early, but I've never thought about it though, is it ever like going into the brain?”

Hi everyone, this is Pivot from New York Magazine of the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher. Scott is off today, so I brought in the one and only Anthony Scaramucci, the mooch. Podcast your founder of Skybridge Capital, an author of the upcoming book, which is getting a lot of kudos all the wrong moves.

And I think I gave you a blurb. Anthony, get a blurb at a, hey, listen, never give blurb, so you know that.

I got, I got a, you know, I had to use the crowbar, ladies and gentlemen, they get the, I pivoted on Pivot. I had to use the crowbar to get the blurb out of her, but it won't, it's a, it's a big deal when I give a blurb. I gave one to you. I've given one to Arya manual, those are the only two, but I used his to insult him. So, yeah, look forward to his book, actually. I think I, I feel like you're going to learn a lot about Hollywood in that book. Actually, you learn a lot about him. I have to say, okay, better yet than I, I'm learning more about him than better yet.

It's, it's got a satis to it, actually. It's, it's got a depth to it. How about a depth to it? Like struggles that he had and he never shows up.

“I think, I think what you and I love about people on it is authenticity and honesty and it sounds like we're going to be getting there from Arya.”

So, I look forward to the book. Yeah. All right, but so be honest with me, you weren't Taylor Swift waiting for you. Well, I'll be really honest with you and tell you, I would have liked to have been invited to Taylor Swift's wedding because when you look up in the dictionary, the name dropping and star-fucking, there's a picture of me. But, alas, I was not invited to her wedding. It may no sense the invitations. I mean, I got the dancers and everybody else, like her, all her friends and her cousins and everything.

But the celebrities were just odd. It was so, they were some of them were obvious, like, you know, Bradley Cooper and those kind of people. But, you know, like Adam Sandler being the, the, the official was interesting. It was such a, it was such a dog's breakfast of celebrities. It was fascinating. What do you think? Well, I, what I love about it is it was original and it was true to whatever they wanted to do. You know, at the end of the day, it's your wedding, have at it. Oh, I liked it. And they, they went crazy. I mean, I, one time, got married with a lot of fanfare and a Roman Catholic church.

The second time I got married, dear, and I got married in our living room. So, I don't know you. It's a, it's a time in their lives. They're both first time married. I wish them nothing with great success with their, their marriage. But, you know what, if you don't mind, I'm going to give them a shout out because they did list 20 charities.

And I'm on the board of city harvest, which is one of the largest food banks in the country, if not the largest. And they gave a million dollars to city art. Wow.

So, God bless them for doing that because we have a lot of food and secure people in our great city car. Yeah, they gave a bunch of dolly part and they gave a bunch to all these like amazing. They gave 26 million dollars, which is 13 times too, if you're a Taylor Swift person, which is her favorite number. But it was really interesting that it was interesting is how they handled it. I was going to compare it to the Bezos wedding. I wanted to be fair. But for some reason, that one felt awful. And this one cracked me up. And I don't know why the difference, because it was obviously an over the top wedding.

It was directly in the middle of New York City, which I loved. And of course, they did it to protect them at Matt. You've been in Madison Square in a hundred times, right, presumably. Yeah, it was. I consider Madison's work garden. One of my homes. I'm a Nick and a Ranger fan. But I think the difference was the

And we're going to have a little bit of a corny ball situation. Go on. We're going to do whatever we want. But oh, by the way, we're good people. We're going to write some big checks of charity.

“So, you know, I'm a cat. I'm all about if Jeff Bezos and his wife, Lauren Bezos, if they want to spend money like that, God bless. I have no problem.”

I know other people get very upset with it. My attitude is, you know, you make the money, spend the money, no problem. And people forget how many jobs are tied to events like this. You know, you get povers and waiters and you've got people in the hotels.

And to me, I like people spending their money because it goes into the system and it takes care a lot of people.

On an experience, right? Now, what's really, it was to me what's interesting is one is there's rather private, even though it was in the middle of New York City. One, there weren't, you haven't seen pictures very many. You've seen very few pictures come out in the ones that are out or just people, hey, I'm going to this wedding and sort of bragging about which I'm fine with. The Bezos one was so performative, like waving from the docks and the outfits and everything else.

“I think that was one of the differences. I suspect there's going to be a movie of the wedding. I suspect that's coming for all of us.”

This charismatic question, though, would you have promoted that you were going to the wedding? Would you have had like a selfie, a swisher like selfie?

I kind of had what have to. Because it was just straight. I'm totally shameless. I would have been promoting it. I mean, I mean, I may have gotten a drone for myself. Yes, you can't have to. You're following in a revolting person. Yeah, I think they wanted that. I think they wanted that. And I did like, even the celebrities were like showing off, right? Like I was there. Oh, by the way, I was there and showing off their dresses. And it was like the Met Gala. But what was fascinating is very little leaked and it seemed adorable. It just seemed, you know, I like everything tells us if it's God doesn't.

But I felt like now I'm thrilled for you here for you because you probably like her. What's not to lie? I mean, let me, you know, I like success stories. You know, God bless or what's not to like all the girl. Every kid likes or God bless, you know. By the way, he's one, you know, how many superpoles of the kid when he was two superpoles three three. Okay, there you go. Come on. And now they're very handsome. Although I will say this about him and he can respond to me. He can direct message me on Twitter.

By the Academy, he has the thinnest arms in the least amount of biceps of any tight end. It's a hunk. What do you look at his arms? Okay, I'm just saying this kid is very slender for the tight end, which made him, in my opinion, fast or quicker and a better receiver. I don't see him as a blocking tight end because he's almost like a third receiver from a house, which is part of the part of the warfare there and part of the offensive success story.

“Yeah, I guess. I don't know what you're talking about. He looks handsome to me and I'm a lesbian. I think he saw my allowed to say that I'm also a lesbian or probably it's not a pro. Yes, you may say that if you like.”

Okay, yeah, but that's my opponent. Anyway, I was happy for New York to do it and it actually was in juxtaposition of something happening down in Washington, which was just a disaster. But first, let let me start first since we're talking about sports president Trump's officially insert himself into the world cup. This is really bad. Even I know this is bad. U.S. soccer star Folleron balligan is set to play against Belgium after FIFA overturned his one match suspension from a controversial red card. Trump personally called a fight for president Gianni in Fintino to push for a review of the decision Trump posted on true social saying, thank you for doing what was right and reversing a great injustice as we tape on Monday.

Belgium has been granted the right to appeal the ruling. So things may have changed by the time you listen to this. I mean, why did he do this? It seems like it's just sort of sellies and by the way, reminder Trump was awarded the inaugural FIFA peace prize in December. I mean, I think if you're ever on jeopardy, they don't answer the questions like this. They say what organization in the world is more corrupt. The Donald Trump White House, the answer is Boeing FIFA. Yes, that's the answer. So I mean, so, you know, it's like the two of them got married and did something very corruptive and delicious to the world's most favorite sport, but to me, because I want a channel trump for you.

So get the bar begs out guys because I want to take exactly how he thinks I am the man. Everything is about me. Let's insert ourselves. Where's the attention this week? Oh, my God. There's billions of people watching the world cup. I got to get myself inserted into that. Tellers, he tried to insert himself into the Taylor Swift wedding. You saw that. We tried to do that because she hates me, it's her, but let's just roll it. Hello, but look, Howard, Howard are you there, but look, okay, get some evidence together. Okay, and then he calls in Fintino, who we're calling sick sick of Fintino.

Chris, but they trump that he's patting himself on the back. You know what he's saying? Nobody could have done this, rather than me. This is like another war that I solved. I need another FIFA piece of advice. FIFA is very corrupt and I did a whole show on this about the corruption, the ticket sales and everything else, but the game seemed to be going well, right? People seem to be enjoying the people here from other countries. You know, yeah, Cape Verde, you had Mexico last night, even I'm paying attention this a little bit, but this sort of it creates does it create a problem here if this guy gets by the way, just for people don't know, this soccer star was born in the United States, his parents are from London.

“So he's what he's the kind of the birthright citizenship that trump rails against at the same time, which I think this kind of, of course ironic, it's not ironic, it's typical.”

Well, yeah, I mean, that's that's trump, you know, he doesn't even even even aware of that, and so that's another big irony, the whole thing, but just just remember it has to be about him.

Enough of me talking about me, what do you think of me, and how can I get myself inserted into every situation? Even if it's controversial, it sort of follows the US win if there is one. Yeah, you see that, okay, so now that's the FIFA position, they're like, okay, the Americans are going to win anyway, it'll mean more ratings, but somebody, somebody, look, that was supposed to be done on the QT, and then trump can help himself, he's got these AI generated truth socials, which are incredibly revolting.

We're the guys pulling out the trump card on the rev saying, yeah, you're trying to throw me out, but I've got the Donald trump trump card, so I'm back in, and so you know what would happen is it's just a turn off to people, and I got to say this to you, Karen, I'd love to hear your opinion, I thought the games were going great for America.

“Yeah, I thought people were coming in, very thought the place was so hospitable, and I got like, all right, where America's finally getting a slap on the back from. That's because he was out of it, he wasn't near it, that's why exactly.”

You know, and speaking of being near, I mean, I think it'll just be right, if the Americans don't win in hardly matters, but which is probably what the what in Fintino was thinking.

He also marked America's 250th birthday, which was kind of a dud by giving a speech, it was essentially a Magarale on the National Mall after storms delayed the event. He honored veterans in astronauts will also touting his own record and pushing for the Save America act. He also focused on his latest obsession.

Communism, saying communism is a loser, and it will always be the night before at Mount Rushmore where there was hail, a lot of weather his way, which was interesting.

He called communist menace, a greater threat than Pearl Harbor in 9/11, our American identities under renewed attack. I've come in as losing, but and speaking of threats to American identity, hundreds of mass members of the White National's group, Patriot Front March, through DC on the 4th, Karen Confederate flags and chanting reclaim America. Those photos were kind of bizarre to look at the room of subway. Talk a little bit about what was happening, and also, you know, that you couldn't see the fireworks, there were too many of them, and too much smoke, and there's smoke all, we all have been advised to stay inside over the next day or two in DC because of the heat and the particulates from the fireworks, which nobody could see very easily.

Talk a little bit about this communism thing, this is, I hadn't heard communism from him, so thoughts on what's happening here. Mandani related, this is all related to the local electoral success that the Democratic Socialists have had recently, and this is also related to the speech that the mayor of New York gave from George Washington's desk, which obviously was very polarizing to some people. The arch nemesis Steve Bannon, somebody I can't stand, actually nailed it in my opinion, he said, hey, you better pay attention to Zormandani because he's a great communicator, he's got a vision for things, he understands where people are and how upset they are, and especially young people.

“Exactly, and Trump's response is to label everything with a broad bush that it's communism car. And I think that's a, that's a big danger because when you, when you do that, you're missing the elements of what's got people upset.”

This is in communism, I mean he, if you listen to his speech, I sort of felt like it was Scandinavianism, you know, yeah, right, it was more than Europe, it wasn't communism, you know, and Trump's trying to label it's something that it isn't, and he does that very successfully at a lot of people. I'm thinking of this, who is this successful, because everyone's like communist, I haven't thought about communist since like the cold war essentially. Yeah, so I don't, I don't think it's going to be successful because you remember Zormandani is not flat footed, you know, when you're calling Hillary Clinton crooked or Joe Biden sleepy or Jeb Bush low energy.

And I wasn't a supporter of his, I think the city's a lot cleaner, the city looks very safe to me.

“You said to me last week that New York is back, New York is flourishing, is that not true?”

Yeah, absolutely, when you go there, it's hard to walk the street, it's so full and vibrant and exciting and it's along with the nicks, the Taylor Swift thing, there's a lot happening there. But what, what is that, you know, having the, the white nationalist show up again was sort of my, I was like, oh my god, them again in that in those weird outfits, they wear the blue shirts and the khakis with the weird white mask that they have to hide themselves because they're not proud of who they are presumably.

Yeah, okay, but you see, see, it was going on, Elon Musk said that this was a false flag operation, this is a hard left people that are sending out these white supremacists and there was a photo of a young African American woman on the bus with them and people saying, okay, that photo was contrived, okay, I don't believe, I don't believe any of that by the way, but I'm just, I'm just saying to me, they're doing that for publicity, they're doing that for the shock and all affect.

And unfortunately, for this country and perhaps most countries, we do have racist assholes in this country and we do have white supremacists in this country.

But unfortunately, we have somebody in the white house that sort of blows the dog whistle for these people as opposed to denouncing these people or ignoring these people. You said, oh, that sounds like a lot of fun. Can you guys bring the matches over here? Right. Right. The door flame log for the white supremacist bomb fire. That's the stuff that I really can't stand to see. It's all around the Save America acto. I mean, that's really the focus. There's, you know, story of the story of him, the desperation of either passing this or pulling some emergency powers, you know, declaring a national security emergency around voting and everything else. To me, that's where everything.

Funnels down to as this fear of no member. Yeah. I mean, listen, I mean, that's the goal. Right. We got to get black and brown people, not the vote. And so we're going to get ice agents out. We're going to scare you. I've got to get this legislation passed the Save America Act. And if we get that passed as well, you know, hopefully you'll stay in your house and we can organize as much of the white vote as we possibly can to win these elections. So Trump said something people should really listen to. If I can get this thing passed, we won't lose an election for the next 100 years. Did you him say that? He said that pay attention.

So now thankfully, Thune is American enough still where he's blocking Trump and he's stopping him.

“But, you know, listen, you know, what comes next is the answer, Cara, because I think I think we got Trump. I think the courts have knocked him to the ground a notch. I think he's age is getting him.”

I think some of the podcasts are so broken from them. Some of the traditional Republicans are just waiting him out. Okay, so I think we got Trump. I'm worried about the next lunatic that shows up with the same message, you know. Yeah, any thoughts on who that would be? None of the current lunatics. You know, they don't, they don't have the risk, Cara, swisher. It would have to be a young lunatic that we don't know right now. Not Tucker Carlson. I've been asked you about Tucker Carlson. I didn't you look at him.

You know, Tucker is a typical Jeep in the high school. I was in a quick guy in high school. My uncle owned a motorcycle shop, so I did have a leather jacket, but I was also the captain of the football team. So I was like, not into the whole click thing, but Tucker would have been that kid that was like a sneaky bully.

“So a sneaky bully is no one's looking. I'm going to poke Cara and the eye. Okay, no one's looking. I'm going to do something devious or prankster risk to somebody that's weaker than me due to my insecurities, right?”

So Tucker wasn't the out and out bully because we saw that guy just walk off to him, punch him into face and make him go away. And so what Tucker does, he's like a dodged ball bully. Okay, so hear me out of say, you remember when you were in elementary school? You were probably the smart kid in the back lurking with the ball. I was too small to hit. I was always the last kid before to get hit.

And you were always waiting for the back to hit the other jack and then you snuck up and hit the big jack and you correct.

Okay, but Tucker is a dodge ball bully. Okay, he's been sneaking around bullying and terrorizing people. Okay, for his adult life, and now he's got a very big broad podcast that he can do this on. My buddy Chris Cuomo, people should go look at the tape.

Okay, and you know, and Chris doesn't give a shit, just took him to the ground. And so I said to myself, no, one is he on to take from Russia. I don't know. So I'm not going to say yes or no, but he uses Russian talking points when he talks.

“No, number two, you know, he's all of a sudden anti Israel, when we can debate that. I'm not saying Israel's got a great brand right now. I think they've had a lot of misapps.”

But you went from pro Israel hanging out with Huckabee to now your anti Israel. And I'm like, what are you doing exactly and you know what he's doing?

He's feeding the ducks of his audience. Okay, so he's a dodge ball bully who feeds the ducks of his audience. Does that give him a chance or not? No, no, he's got no chance. And I think he's a complete tool. Also, if Trump is alive when he announces his candidacy, Trump is going to send like, orange, mean, cruise missiles up to Maine and blow, talker out of the water because one thing about Trump, he knows the Achilles heel of people like Tucker. So so, and I predict Tucker won't run.

No, because listen, that is, that is a big boy's passport, as you know. Yeah. It's not podcast thing. It's not hanging around waiting for your next massage. It's like, okay, we got to get on the road.

“And you can hate Donald Trump. But Donald Trump is a grinder. I watched them, you know, eight in the morning till midnight. Let's grind this thing out. Tucker doesn't strike me, is it?”

I see. No past me, the nail file. I'm about to get a manny petty Tucker Carlson, the dodge ball bully. Can I see one last question on this? So what's Trump's move? We got July, August, everything's quiet. What does he have? He doesn't have much time till the midterms besides trying to stop the election itself. What, what does he do now? How does he get attention? What is, what is he going to do? Well, we have more revulsion coming.

It's on July, 19th. He'll be in the metal lands. He'll be at the New Jersey, New York Stadium, handing the trophy to somebody who has won the work cup. Because in Fantino, Sikha Fantino is going to let him do that. So that's going to be a big day for him. Lots of attention on him. A lot of billions of people watching him will be very happy about that. Right, exactly. And he's announced his griff to the public. Okay. So if you ever thought that he hasn't learned from the KGB, he has actually, because what does the KGB do?

They spy out in the open. Right. Remember John Locari would explain to you that the person shows up. They look like a KGB spy. They act like a KGB-squack. So you don't think there are KGB-squack, but guess what? They are one. And so Trump is like, let me announce to you, my griff. Okay. And so here's all the different things I'm doing. He even put the $15,000 of in Fantino tickets that were given to him on his financial disclosure. The fee for tickets that were given to him. So so what he's going to do is he knows he doesn't give a shit about his party.

He doesn't care who wins the election. As long as he's not overly investigative, he's going to pardon himself and his family.

He's going to try to make $10 billion over the next two years.

“All right. Well, that'll get us into it. So that's what he's working on. That's what he's going to do. Yeah. He's about glory, self-aggrandizement and Mulah.”

Those are, that's the Holy Trinity inside his brain. All right. Okay. Well, we'll talk about that because we're going to talk about something that you know a lot about, which is cryptocurrency. Okay. Anthony, let's go on a quick break. We come back millions and investors lost billions on Trump's meme coin. Support for the show comes from Vanta. Every new tool your team signs up for, every vendor that turns on AI features, every new integration has a chance or something to go wrong. And most security programs were built for AI's base of growth. Enter Vanta.

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But you often prompted his followers on true social to do. Meanwhile, Michael Saler's strategy has abandoned its famous never sell Bitcoin.

Wasn't a holder anymore, mantra. The company is launching a $1.25 billion monetization program to raise capital with Bitcoin sales already sold $216 million. Trump's disclosure by the way, showed active trading of strategy shares. We, you know, for people who don't understand what's happening, we talked about this last week. He made several billion dollars largely related to crypto. Very small amount in real estate. Similar. Similar to what he always makes in real estate, essentially.

Nothing more or less, but there's a lot of, you know, and of course the kids have their own graphs going on and Jared and Ivanka have their own grift.

“So talk about how we should be thinking about crypto now and what happened here with Trump?”

It's important that people understand how dramatic this graph was. I mean, he needs an Academy Award or a thief, a World Cup trophy. Maybe thief will give him the grifter, you know, Crypise of the, you know, we gave you the FIFA piece price. But the grifting has been so good.

Here's the FIFA grifter price because this is unbelievable. I just put it in the context for everybody. All of the publicly traded crypto companies combined made less than Donald Trump did in crypto. Just everybody knows he made more than coin-based crack-in, put them all together. Crack is not public, but you get, get my point.

They do disclose their financials.

“And remember this, okay, Trump's disclosure was 927 pages.”

Barack Obama, his, his was eight pages, okay. So this guy filed a phone book. He didn't file disclosure. But, but the crypto stuff is so bad.

It is so grieges, so many people lost money and the differential of 3.8 billion losing

and him making 800. It's just to me in cities. But I'm going to say this to you and I know you get this. The Emirati Royal Family bought $500 million stake in his company before the inauguration. Okay, so I don't know.

You tell me that was just a, hey, that's a nice gesture. Hey, Cara, how are you doing? You know, there's a, Cara switcher. It looks like it's from your longevity documentary behind you.

I'd like to buy that from you for $500 million just because, you know, you're a nice person, Cara.

Right.

“So, so to me, it's again, I'm taking the money.”

And by the way, you stupid crypto bros.

What did you think was going to happen? Oh, you thought I was supporting you? No, no, no. There's clarity act, which everybody would like to get past. That can happen because my opposition hates me.

And they're going to vote against it to spite me. And oh, by the way, that's by you. But ha ha. Guess what? I didn't care about you.

I didn't care about your interest. Right.

So, what happens to the, what, what is happening?

Like what sale are is done? Obviously, he's been super aggressive. And you've been deep into crypto and Bitcoin, particularly. Where does this hurt the Bitcoin business? Because it was actually improving allegedly under Trump with all these, you know,

the regulate. Gensler was gone, everything else. Where does this leave crypto now? Because it then has this taint as the world cup has of Trump's finger. Dirty fingers all over it.

Yeah, so nobody likes me in the crypto community for saying this. But I'm going to continue to say this. Gary Gensler was a pain in the ass to the industry. But you know what Gary Gensler did? He blocked a lot of the lowlifes and a lot of the people.

A lot of the scammers out of the industry. Trump has opened up the floodgates and became the scammer in chief in the industry. So people said, "Well, this is going to be great for the industry. It's not great for the industry. You, you would want the mama bear.

You would want propitious and ordinary transparent crypto regulation with a defense system against combagery." We didn't get that. So when Trump announced that meme coin carer, I was at the World Economic Forum with Brian Armstrong on a panel. And I said, "This is going to be very bad for the industry because this makes us look terrible and his opposition. There are young Democrats that would probably support the cryptocurrency industry that are looking around saying, "I can't do it now because of what Trump has done."

And so, to me, I think it's a big issue. You mentioned sailors, we might as well bring him up. You know, Michael's got to be careful because he is an absolutist and he's an extremist.

So he said at a one side of his mouth, I'm never selling my Bitcoin.

“You should sell one of your kidneys to buy and hold Bitcoin.”

But he's got pressure on him and he's got a, he's got a cash in balance. And so, guess what he's doing, he's starting to sell his Bitcoin. Like Michael's not going to take advice for me. And I like Michael, but I would say Michael, you become part of the story. Go on your yacht, sell off into Sicily somewhere, stop tweeting about Bitcoin, get out of the story making business because what happens in a situation like this is like a fighter squadron. Let's say we got B-17, it's about the strafe Berlin, and one has engine trouble and is lagging behind the others in the squadron.

What are the measurements going to take out first? They're going to take out that one. And this is Michael right now. So get out of the story. I wouldn't sell any more Bitcoin, by the way, your job is to have Bitcoin go back up. And you getting out of the story will probably help that. I'm long-term bullish on Bitcoin. I think we're in the typical four-year cycle where we've corrected 50%.

We can correct more, but I think the long-term bias for Bitcoin is up. And I think if you hold it for five years, you're going to be well, close to it. Here you have Trump sort of dirtying up the industry in a ways. What needs to happen from a bipartisan? How can it return to a way where you don't have, you know, too much regulation at the same time, you zero out all the scammers?

“So I think there's only one thing, and that is time and demography.”

So I think if you're above the age of 60, and you're in the Democratic Party, you hate crypto. I think if you're below the age of 50 to 60, you're crypto by curious, but you're like crypto skeptic. If you're below the age of 50, you're generally like, "Okay, I get this and there should be an ecosystem, allowing us for tokenization, and for general improvements of the financial services/fintech community." And so I think he set the industry back. I think it'll be three, four, five years before we see the right type of regulation.

I want to be wrong, you know, Cynthia Loomus, Tim Scotter, saying that the Clarity Act is going to get passed. If you go to the Polymarkets. Explain what the Clarity Act is. Okay, so the Clarity Act in the most simple elevator pitch is exactly that. We're going to offer you clarity on regulation associated with crypto.

Where is Bitcoin going to be regulated at the CFTC or the SEC? Where are these other coins going to be regulated? What's going to be allowed in the industry? How are we going to deal with stable coins? Are they going to be able to pay interest on their balances that you put at a stable coin company?

If I held my Bitcoin, I can't hold it at JP Morgan, but if I was able to, they hit them with an overcharge on their capital account. But let's say they could segment it out.

“Will the money center banks eventually be able to custodian Bitcoin?”

And so why are we calling a Clarity? Because the pendulum has been swinging back and forth between the administrations. You get hard left-leaning regulation from the SEC and it swings back to hard right-leaning regulation. We were having regulation by enforcement of the Gensler, now we're having light touch regulation. This would provide a clear signal to Democrats and Republicans. Here are the laws as legislated by the Congress signed by the President.

And so this is the interpretation bandwidth you have now as opposed to this. This wider bandwidth. It feels like griffed again. It has more of a nervousness around it because the Trump serve. Well, let me explain why it does, though, because all Gillibran and these people are asking for is,

"Okay, we don't want the president's family to steal another couple of billion dollars of crypto."

“So can we, at least, legislate or create a rules-based system that's ethically guided?”

And the White House said, "No, we like when the President steals." Scott Bissense said that the 2.4 billion that he took is a sign of US innovation, as what he said in an interview this guy. I mean, you got to be kidding me. I mean, this is literally unbelievable. It's like, I mean, but it's, you know, what it is, it's like a sock puppet at this point. It's like, that used to be a person, you know, like Prince formerly known as Prince.

That used to be a person formerly known as Scopusent. He's now a sock puppet for Caroline, Levitt, and Donald Trump. Okay, and you're saying that with a straight face and an interview guy, I mean, come on. Yeah, I know, I agree. So small thing, Gillib forth officially marked the end of the department of government efficiency. Senator known as Doge, and opposed on ex-the agency said, "Well, the formal mission of Doge has come to an end."

The mission to limit waste fraud and abuse will continue a good stewardship of taxpayer dollars in the accountable government. Are not temporary initiatives, researchers estimate Doge's cuts to US-AID and humanitarian aid contribute to hundreds of thousands of deaths worldwide. Doge claims it saved taxpayers about $215 billion through spending cuts through original goal was to trillion. Many people feel it costs, you know, states actually, one thing we won't be getting is a final assessment of what actually accomplished budget director Russell vote recently told Congress.

We have no plans to publish a closing dose report, of course not, because if they did a good job, they would tell you. I think this was just, as it turned out as I said it would, it was a nothing burger of massive proportions and actually led to death of people around the globe, especially children. So any final thoughts on Doge, to another waste of time? Again, there was a Doge, it was the Clinton Corps reinventing government. That's right, yes.

I just want to remind everybody we took 426,000 jobs, and we eliminated them over eight years through attrition and buyouts and process redesign.

And what I never can understand for the life of me is I think I'm a reasonably smart guy, but I know I'm stupid in a lot of areas.

“But if I had a B next to my name, you have to explain this to me, because you hang out with these people more than I do.”

So I've got billionaires that troll me on Twitter, because they're smarter than me, and they know more about everything than I could possibly know. But, and I understand that, yes, you know more about neurology than neurologists and more about the military than the military. Yes, you have a billion dollars. Sure, this smartest, I understand that. But why wouldn't you have gone to 25 year veterans of the GAO, the government administration office and said, okay, where are the worms in the system? How can I plug a few holes? I'm not going to save a trillion dollars or two trillion dollars, but you know from an engineering perspective,

the structural design and the embedded costs of the government, what could we do to stop some of the bleeding? And how could we do that gradually? And they didn't want to do that because why? Because they wanted to please Elon and let him jump all over the place. I don't know. I think he just was to please Elon. I think Elon felt like this was important. And that's where they had the falling out over the tax bill when he started to show what he really was made of, which was spending more government money.

And I just think it was just all a act. I thought it was all nonsense. An idiotic and possibly gave Elon and his minions access to lots of secure government data.

That I always thought it was about the data, but that's just me.

That got us to the budget surplus during the Clinton era. We could have gone, we could have gone with a Clinton ask a doge like system that was bipartisan.

We could have said to our fellow Americans, hey, we're not going to fix the problem in 10 years, but you know what over 20 year period of time we need to do it. We can get the debt, we can get the spend in line with where the GDP is. And we didn't do that. And you know what's going to happen. And you know this and I know this and my buddy Ray Dalio knows this. You're going to have an American president in 2036, 2040 dealing with a 55 trillion dollar budget deficit.

“And they're going to be sitting there saying, OK, the money's not worth anything anymore because the only way we can pay for this guys. Remember, unfunded tax liability is what a deficit is.”

That's what Milton Friedman said. All deficits spending unfunded tax liability. And guess how we're paying for it. We're using the most pernicious and most regressive form of taxation because we're cowards. We're using inflation. And so we're going to blow out your bank account. You think you got a thousand dollars in your account. It only has $750 worth of purchasing power because that's our way of monetizing our debt. And that's a problem. And that's one of the reasons why I am long gold and one of the reason why I'm long Bitcoin because I do think that these will be part of the as we re invent ourselves once again.

They will be part of the answer to the way the monetary system works in the future. Yeah, this was a missed opportunity and it was all performing if performing it anyway. Let's go on a quick break. We come back the pros and cons of Trump accounts. Support for the show comes from NPR. In social media bad for your mental health, are we spending too much on other people's weddings? Why is hetero pessimism trending? If the culture is asking it NPR's it's been a minute podcast is talking about it.

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Well, first there's what he was promising to America.

He was promising change. Yes, that's a big change. Has he lived up to that? No, no. I want to say so.

I was disappointed. We're in Washington DC for one of the events that Donald Trump is throwing for America's 250th anniversary. And it's UFC 9. Probably be American.

We've got free tickets. It's just going to be a great time. That's about it. It's an opportunity to talk to a group that was central in the 2024 election. Young men.

“Why do we think Trump and men seem to have a connection?”

I don't know if you just know how to advertise himself. Yeah, I'm a pro. It aligns with masculinity. I feel like. So it's certain extent.

But if they don't like Donald Trump, what did they prefer politically otherwise? I just care about my family. I care about my country. I want people to be safe and happy where they live.

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Trump accounts, which I hope will the name will be changed after he leaves. The new investment accounts for children of officially launch. The occasion by ringing the belt open the markets from the oval office on Monday morning.

According to the Treasury Department of Fraction of eligible kids.

It's a small amount actually.

“A baby's born during Trump's term between 2025 and 2028.”

We'll receive a thousand dollar deposit of seed money in these accounts. The social security administration is interesting process. For parents to roll their babies in these Trump accounts at the hospital. As they register for social security numbers, we've seen a number of individual corporate donors.

These accounts, including Michael Dele and as you mentioned, Ray Dalio. The latest is SpaceX president, Quinn Chot. Well, who just announced she's donating company stock. What do you think about these accounts? I'm not necessarily against them.

I don't think I just, I feel like grift will happen because Trump's involved with it. And at the same time, I feel like maybe we should just have, you know, child care. Maybe we should just have health care. Maybe we should just have these kind of things that cost people it. I don't mind for savings, which is essentially this is.

And I have accounts for my own kids for college and things like that. But, and everyone should be able to avail themselves to them in a tax-free basis. So, and at the same time, relying on the stock market is problematic from my perspective. But go ahead, let's hear. Oh, I want to listen.

You know, I have to say this one straight for me as a Wall Street person.

I like this because I even if it's going to be 6 million people,

that's what it looks like right now. Getting these people auto enrolled in the stock market and the idea that they have some investment, which means they're technically invested in something. And if it could spark some aspiration, if it could spark some interest in long-term thinking and saving and investing, I like those things.

You know, I listen, Michael Delg, I think gave six and a quarter billion dollars. I know he's a very wealthy man, but I think it's a very generous statement that he's trying to make. I don't like the Trump name on it. But of course, anything that Trump does is got to have to put his name on it. He's trying to get his signature on your money.

He's trying to get his face in your passport. He cannot help himself.

“So, but here's the thing I would say about this.”

And people should really be concerned about this number. 40% of the Americans own nothing in a retirement account.

And I want you to think of the pressure on that.

And so that also, we do know this. We don't teach it in school and perhaps we should. We know we have a lot of financially illiterate people in the country. And if you're listening to the spot gas and you're financially, literate don't look down on those people.

Figure out a way to educate those people because more educated people and more financially literate people, will mean they'll be more self-sustaining people. Okay, and they'll be people seeking their aspirations. So, I do like this one. Trump is taking more credit for it than than he deserves.

This was an idea that was proposed 10 years ago. Lots of people blocked it. I think I think believe it or not. Vice President Harris, if she was president, would have accepted this at this point in our culture. You're making a different point, though.

And I would just say not to conjoin those. The point that you're making, which I agree with, we need a platform of good food in the school. So, the kids doesn't go to school. Health, unhealthy or hungry. We need some sustainable educational ideas.

And we need some health care for these kids. That's more important. And putting a thousand dollars in their savings. I accept that. But I would just say to you, Karron, people listening and you got to deal with the world the way it is.

Not the way it should be and not the way we want it to be. And so this one I like and I would like, I would like to see more billionaires. I'd like to see more people do this. Giving money. So is this like, although some people feel like, open AI doing it as a way to get a bail out at some point.

Or you give, you give him the money. And then he takes credit for it. And then you get some sort of break of something else that giving money. These things gives you something else. Well, that's been the case.

We've learned that you give him money. You buy documentaries from his family. You get more rocket contracts. You you line up behind him. He takes care of you.

You know, you've got people that have given him money or given money to his pack. And Howard Butler has written them out of certain tariffs and has gotten them an exemption on certain things. So yes, we know that there's a pay per play system going on.

“And so yeah, there's people thinking, you know what?”

I'm going to give this. I'm going to get the tax cut. And Trump's got two and a half years left. I may need a favor from him. And he's a guy that pays for play.

And I can get in there and ask for that favor. And probably we'll get it done. You know, there's, there's a few of people. And I'd be very interested. I'm not an investigative reporter, but I would love somebody to work on this.

There's a few of people that are lined up for parties. And I know it's in the tens of millions of dollars is being paid to get these. To get these parties. They're hiring lobbyists or hiring attorneys.

They're buying meme coins.

I don't know what the hell they're doing. But I'm sure there's a legion of people. They're like, hey, we got a two and a half year window. We broke a lot of laws, but this guy could pardon my ass. And, and this is Trump's personality rather than using the norms and the system.

He breaks the norms and then he breaks about it. And only I, only I could have gotten our player back on the field. Only I could take in billions of dollars for myself. These other presidents were stupid. They could have made billions of dollars for themselves.

So I'm the genius. You see what I mean? And it's very corruptive. And let me tell you what it does, which pisses me off the most if you don't mind because we grew up similarly.

When I was a kid growing up, maybe Richard Nixon was corrupt.

But he wasn't so corrupt that I thought the system was broken in unfair. I looked up at the system, I said, right, the guy's probably corrupt. But you know what? If I go to a good school and work my ass off, I can move classes in this country. This guy is putting a suppression on middle and lower income people.

They're like holy shit. There's a two tier justice system. You're either one of the presidents or your not. And if you're not, you're not going to make it. I'm going to do way less economically than my parents did.

And I don't have any hope and I don't have any chance.

“That's what the corruption does in a society.”

And that's what pisses me off the most. Yeah, I would agree. I would agree. So we're both sort of four of these things. But it just seems like I'd love to get the Trump name off of it.

I almost signed up for one. I almost did. But then I was like, I have enough stock old things. So last thing, very briefly. So Mark Zuckerberg told meta employees the company's AI agents are advancing as quickly as expected.

A lot of corporate people, Zuckerberg said meta's AI reorganization hasn't delivered. The results of the company and hope for those expects progress over the next three to six months. And may, meta laid off around 8,000 employees and reassigned about 7,000 AI focused teams. Zuckerberg said this move is not as clean as it should have been.

Met is expected to spend as much as $145 billion on AI infrastructure this year.

Everybody's a little worried about even a pallianteer, the pallianteer didn't know he said it in a crazy way. It was making a lot of sense around the high price of tokens, the effectiveness, the safety of your data, whether you want to hand it over to these things, all signs of possible highs of these of this spending. Do you think how much impact?

“How much patients do investors have of companies keep saying progress is slower than hope, including the center companies in this?”

Well, I mean, you know the answer to that. I know the answer to that. They have patients until bam. They don't have patients. And this is very reminiscent of global crossing and very reminiscent of Francisco.

You and I are old enough to remember web one where we were building the infrastructure. We're putting all the switches in. We've got all these transatlantic, trans-specific cables. We've got cables coming down the Persian Gulf, all the way into the straight of her moves. And we are going to electrify and globalize everything.

And they overspent. And they had too much leverage in the system as a result of which like a real estate speculation. The system got built, but it collapsed and the people were owning the equity. And we're buying the whole beam at that time actually got crushed. And so what I'm fearful is also the way this stuff is booked, right?

Because if you're spending on the R&D and then someone else is booking a profit at the same time, you know, to me, you've artificially stimulated some people's earnings. Okay, particularly the data centers and things like that. And so I'm worried about that. Because that's exactly what would happen in web one.

“And you and I are old enough to remember that movie.”

And that movie ended in tears. Yeah, that wasn't a happy Hollywood ending. Well, then there was Google, then there was meta, then there was, you know, well, well, that's the bet. So now you've got your cards playing this hand. You've got to hopefully close your position out before the thing blows up.

And then you wait for whatever replaces it, right? You know, listen. Altavista. Ask Gives. Yeah, I'm okay.

We could you remember the search engines. Remember internet capital groups got and I were reminiscing about that. They named the, they named the page, I knew it was over. When they named the Patriots Stadium, the internet capital group stadium. Whatever.

A holding company wasn't. And so, so to me, what I'm worried about here, and I think it's fair to be worried about this is this is a great technology. I think it'll add to productivity. It'll boost things. The internet certainly did that.

But as we invest, there were pockets in the railroad industry that blew up pockets and telecom that blew up. And there's going to be pockets here that blow up.

Because a lot of economists are suddenly sounding alarms. Now, it took years before that happened in the one you were talking to global crossing and everything else. It took several years before it broke. What you got to tell me were rates are going. You tell me where the rates are going and I'll tell you where the fuse is.

Because if we manage to stable off despite the economic data and the specter of current inflation. And remember, we had a hundred basis point differential on rate expectation.

“So if you were doing this podcast, January 1, Anthony, what are you expecting?”

Three 25 basis cuts this year. What is it now? We flipped it over to one 25 basis point hike. So that did affect the large part of the market. Perfect crypto and obviously gold also sold off as a result of that.

But if you're telling me we have a 50 basis point 75 base point rating increase. Due to the quagmire and Iran, all these sort of different things. You're going to shorten that flu. If you somebody could say, hey, I'm going to miss a bomb payment here. Sorry.

I think it's a very telling car that Facebook, which mince money and Google that mince money. I think they combined one out to raise in bond market activity.

Something like 140 billion dollars in the last six weeks.

And so that's telling you something. They're like, holy shit, we're spending so much money. We better get another hundred or so billion dollars in reserve here to protect ourselves. And to create a layer of protection on the interest rates that we're going to be paying. We're going to pay.

So we'll see where that goes. Anyway, one more quick break. We'll be back for wins and fails. [MUSIC] I'm Seth Matlins.

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Well, listen, I mean, we talked about it.

“So I think the win of the week is the Trump account, actually.”

I don't like to call on that. But I want Americans to get into saving and the investing mindset. And certainly if you can get children into the saving and investing mindset, it could be a life changer. So I think that's the clearest win for me.

The second clearest win, which is obscure to people. But I think it's meaningful is the birthright citizenship. But we talked a little bit about that last week on my show. I think that is the big message. As I was sorry, you know, you pushed and shoved us around.

We are afraid of you here at the court. But you know what, it was a six, three decision. And we're going to stick with the constitution over the orange maniac. And I think those are two big wins. All right, so losses for me are FIFA and sick of Fenty.

No, I think this is a big loss for him. And I think weirdly, you know, and sadly, I think he's, I think he's hurt the game.

“And I think it sucks because the world cup to me is about togetherness.”

And when you want to love people and you want to love the world, I think of the world cup. I'm like, all right, a little of these people, you know, the happiness and the sadness is based on a sporting event. It's not based on a war.

I love the whole environment. I love the whole carnival of it. And I just think the notion that this guy poisoned that to, is like he won't stop at anything. Yeah, he won't stop at anything.

So those are the wins and those are the loss. That sort of goes into my fail is the continued sucking up of people like Bessant and others about like, yes, there's plenty of people behind me. The, the, the cultism is so strange and it's so, at some point, when are you going to say the emperor has no clothes?

That kind of which I don't want to see Donald Trump naked necessarily, but

Have you ever thought about it though? Never like these murders imagine the person is an average just going to the brain?

I have a sense of what it looks like and in the whole like it's like an open spam can like you just open to spam can and there he is There you thought of open spam can For the penis, which is which a bent penis. Well, you don't know. Yeah, we haven't confirmed it the night that it just could be an open spam. I believe this I believe porn stars is what I do But the sick of and see is just astonishing and Douglas Bergam in particular let with the whole thing around the reflecting pool

That was hysterical

“But he was going on and on about these cuts and without any proof and then when the why are you meeting people?”

Why don't you just accept this and they're like cuz you're a liar Doug Bergam like to me

seem to be even though he's an obvious suck-up obvious suck-up but the level of suck-up hurry is really and I'm like you're not stupid And you're sucking up and that to me was Really a fail. I thought that I just can't believe it's going to continue I just don't know when it's going to stop and I'm sort of waiting for the moment where somebody points to him and says

You're naked essentially my win is so over the holiday

I went to say super girl because everyone didn't want to see it right because it's you know it's a big disaster for Warner And people aren't going to see it and I have to tell you it's a pretty good movie. It's a pretty good movie I know it's not going to win. I see the numbers You can see why it would be hard to get a man to go to it. It's pretty woman focused. There's there's just sex trafficking Thematic it's dark, but I do think this actor who's in it Millie

I think it's Alcock

“Is amazing was amazing and I think it's a lovely I think it's a good. It's a really solid it wouldn't that there's been some bad”

Movies in this genre and the superhero genre and lots of bad ones. This is not one of them and I'm sorry It's not doing better. I bet it has a life outside of this time later. It'll become a cult favorite. I think because it's really Interesting and strange movie. Oh, I'll definitely go see look at a big Superman efficient auto and I love super girl Yeah, she's really interesting and stark. It's but it's dark and I can see why people wouldn't necessarily go to it So I got it again. I got it anyway and of course the biggest one of the weakest Taylor Swift congratulations with you and Travis getting married

It's just nice. I mean two crazy kids YouTube crazy kids. I hope for the best. I hope you can make it both of you

“It's great, but you know if guys I would like to be if you're probably not going to have another wedding”

But if there's an anniversary part party. Yeah, and I would like to invite it because we will see you you may have invited me to this But I may have just missed it in the mail, but I you know, I would like to be great. We will be there for you anyway Anthony, I really appreciate it. We just for people know we want to hear from you sent us your questions about business Tech or whatever's on your mind go to nmymag.com/pivot submit a question for the show or call eight five five five one pivot

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