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I decided to record a little early ahead of the long weekend long week for me. I'm heading to Maine for vacation to see if I can get some of those Harris Collins voters back on side. You know you pod boys saying nice things about platinum. I'm just going to try to go to Maine and get it done myself, you know.

If there's any group we have a lot of sway with, it is older women, Susan Collins voters in Maine. I mean, I'm telling you, I'm going to wear around going, that is the place. So I, I know I, I know it's been on the ground for weeks. I know, I know, I know I'm bringing in reinforcements. What are you guys up to for the fourth, you stay in it, sticking around?

We're sticking around, we're having a much people over, we're a very chill fourth. You're not gonna, you're a patriotic, but you know fourth. You're not gonna check out the California exhibit at the Great State Fair in DC and listen to Trump's speech. We are going to listen to Trump's speech. We're going to gather around the TV, we're going to watch it together as a family

as one, as anyone who loves America would do. Perfect, perfect.

Those kids will always remember how they spent their two, the America's 250,

with their half-century old dad.

“I mean, I heard that, I heard that, I heard that's what your kids are calling you.”

That's what my, that's what Kylie keeps saying to me. She's like, Dad, you're, you're now a half-century old. That is brutal, that hit me hard. Mainly, mainly because I'm only a couple years away, but well, I, trust me, I will make sure that you're children who call you that century, and five years of liberty.

Yeah, you could probably get Charlie going on that now. All right, we got some news to cover before we take off for the break. Trump making $2 billion since taking office, the right wing freak out over birthright citizenship, more progressive primary wins in Colorado, and you and I are going to nerd the hell out over some brand new New York Times polls on all the biggest Senate races.

Fun. But first, let's talk about how our president is celebrating America's 250th birthday

by jumping on his brand new, Cotari Palace in the sky, formerly known as Air Force One, which touched down in the decoders for the opening of Teddy Roosevelt's presidential library, and a firework show at Mount Rushmore, even though people there were worried it might start a wild fire. Vipiest thing ever. Trump then jets back to DC for what he's calling, quote, the most spectacular Trump rally of the mall, which will reportedly include over 800,000 fireworks in an attempt to set

the Guinness World record. Trump seems to be going for another record as well. He said quote, "It's going to be approximately 107 degrees out, and I'm going to make a really long speech, just to show that I can do anything." Yeah. That is the American spirit. That is the American spirit. This is apparently why the fireworks aren't starting until after 11 p.m. Eastern. Very cool, very considerate. Trump's really been on one this week. Here he is talking about

and two Teddy Roosevelt at the opening of the museum this week. Theodore Roosevelt, he had great passion. The Colonel, they called him, was an American man. He was really a great human. They say it was 40 pounds of mustard and I have the hell that happened.

do they? In fact, they actually take away the muscle. That's not good. The sun was breaded. It's genetics.

It's like the resource there. The only father and son pair to receive our nations highest military award for courage above and beyond. Now as I see my two beautiful

“sons sitting there, I think I'm going to give one to myself, one to them, and we'll have a three”

seven. I even had a conversation with Theodore Roosevelt. I said, "What did you think about the Panama Canal? You considered that you greatest achievement? How do you feel about the fact that the Democrats gave the Panama Canal away to Panama for $1. I know you knew that even the sun. But I appreciate those words, those words are fantastic. I just want to say it's another room with you today. We are making a little bit of a tour.

There he is. There he is. Jack, AI, Teddy Roosevelt. All muscle. He and his son, big winners, and maybe Trump and his son can also be winners and have a three-sum. What do you think? It just doesn't seems to me like Trump fully understands what's happening in the conversation. The AI, Teddy Roosevelt? No, I don't know. Does he think he's talking to Teddy Roosevelt? Does he understand how an AI chatbot, hologram works? Yeah, I'm sure. Should we be doing more of

this? Should Democrats have an AI run on Reagan at our convention to talk about how Trump is not a Republican? There are all kinds of things you do. Yeah, Trump was deep in the weeds on the executive order to lift the export controls on Fable and mythos. He was deep in the ways there because he has a lot of thoughts on those models. I'm sure he was speaking of the AI. Did you see this morning that Open AI offered the US government a 5% stake in the company? Yes,

“you know that's also an idea on the left, by the way. That some have proposed. I believe Roe,”

Conna has proposed that. It is now the challenge is, and Bernie has proposed that too. The idea is the government gets a stake of it and then the government distributes on the upside of these AI companies that have the government distributes that to people as like like an oil royalty for for our age. Of course, the challenge is what happens when Donald Trump is in charge or another Donald Trump is in charge, right? Like you'd want to have that kind of power in the hands of a

president who's into redistribution. Well, you'd have to write a law. Yeah. Like the oil royalties in Alaska. Yeah. Yeah, that's all that's near their hand or they are. Trump's talking to AI Teddy Roosevelt, talking about three Sims with his kids. Do you think you thought, do you think he caught that? Do you think afterwards someone was like, hey, people are laughing because you did talk up because the word three Sims usually doesn't just mean you and your son's

having medals. Yeah. I mean, I suspect that Trump as someone who's lived the life he's lived is very familiar with three Sims. Do you think he's that generous? Maybe he maybe. I don't know.

“I, I do not. I think that I think three, three of the Trump is a sign of a sign of selfishness.”

It's my guess. Also, we're poor barren. I know. Didn't, didn't, didn't make the familiar three Sims. Yeah, I could kind of lucky break, I guess. Um, larger question for you. How do you think all these Trump organized America to 50 events are landing with people who aren't mega fans or whiny, American hating lives like us. You know, most people are seeing all this. I kind of presume they're not seeing it. It's just, it's not, it's not really breaking through

in any way, shape or form. None of it's exciting. None of it's interesting. People are pretty busy.

They have a million options for how this meant their limited attention. To the extent they hear

anything, Trump is, Trump has made it all political. And so there's a whole group of people, I guess, we either make fun of it or ignore it. And then the people who don't really care about politics or actively avoid politics, we immediately turn it, turn away from, like you can see a world potentially where a different president does something different that is more in the theoretical spirit of America that is more bipartisan. You know, you could see a world where a democratic

president or even a different Republican president who comes from a different Republican party in total turn to universe has on stage. The Obama's, the Biden's, the Clinton's, the Bush is,

and we're, you know, basically you have a library opening, but, you know, I just, I went back and

looked a lot like what happened in 1976. And so much of it, it happened in an election year, which is notable. But also just so much of the attention to it. Also, it'll lots to do with the fact

you couldn't, it just, it was like beamed into the brains of the American people. People didn't

“get kind of involved. Like I saw a whole thing about how people decorated all their painted”

all the fire hydrants, red white and blue. Some of them turned into like very funny, like, able to get in fire hydrants and things like that. But just in this day and age, it's like, it's hard to get people attention like that. And Trump is not trying to actually do that. Just trying to make it about himself. And that was due to fail. Yeah, the attention of the country

is pretty much world, world cup is amazing. Yeah, that's like the 250 celebration was last night

in the World Cup game where everyone came together and now wants to throw T in the pool of the referee who gave us the red card. He asked me the appropriate colonial response. But I just fool, just dump it with dump it, dump it, dump some T in it. Yeah, no, I've been really into some of like the, you know, opinion pieces on this. I was like watching that that Netflix has a good doc, the American experiment that I was even watching that. I was watching that. I'm a sucker

for like revolutionary war history. Um, and, uh, but then I was, and I was like thinking about it a lot. And I thought I was maybe going to write something about it. I'm like, really? This is just a, a small circle of people talking to each other who already talked to each other on sub-stack and other places. Anyway, don't, do not knock that. Do not knock a small circle of people talking to each other. There are various places for readers and New York Times readers. And you know,

I guess, I'm like, it is, you know, the people trying to get most of the country to pay attention to the 250th anniversary, uh, seems like a, a tall order when Donald Trump is president and everything else is going on. I just want to caution you that if your new logic is, it's only going to reach a small group of people talking to each other, you're going to stop doing all things. Well, I would talk to people about other issues. Okay. Fair enough. Like, what am I trying to

convince people of that it's that, that this is what America's really about? Yeah, I like that's we're all on board. All right. A few other Trump items to discuss, uh, less you think he's trying to make this anniversary all about himself. Trump is reportedly considering

“an idea described as 250 pardons for 250 years. That's how a person close to the White House”

described it to the Atlantic, uh, in an effort to quote, reinforce an image he has long sought to cultivate, Trump the merciful. Yeah. That's that he's really been working hard on that. I don't know how much progress he's made. The piece goes on to say, quote, the prospect of a mass pardon has set off an international frenzy of lobbying in dealmaking in which even slight proximity to the president can be monetized. No shit. Uh, and speaking of monetizing the

presidency, Trump's 2025 financial disclosure just came out and shows that the president of the

United States raked in at least $2.2 billion last year, while in office, with at least $1.4 billion

of that coming from his family's cryptocurrency business slash Ponzi scheme. What better way for president to celebrate America's 250th than by using his office to make $2 billion off of Ponzi scheme and, uh, and then also pardon all of his rich criminal friends. Um, I must have missed the announcement from the Republican Congress that they will be launching impeachment hearings over this. Did you catch it? No, I must have missed it too. I was so busy, uh, taking in the

sights of the great American state fair that I might have missed this. Um, the, the, the two 50 parties thing is so funny because there's a line in the story, which says, I'm going to read it here. One advisor said there had been polling that suggested a mass pardon could benefit the president. And I caught that. I caught that. Where were you? No, how do you think that was best? Yes, you knew commission that poll a bunch of criminals or a bunch of people making money off the

criminals. Like that's who commission that poll. There is no poll that suggests a mass pardon of frankly, anyone like partens can be good, commuting people's sentences you were have unfair

drug sentences, all the way. Like there, there's good use of the porn power. Even that is never

popular. A mass pardon is not popular. It's an insane thing. It's something that someone told Trump

“in order to get him to pardon people that it has hired this advisor to do. I was honestly trying”

to think of how the question would be worded to get a good result. And it would be like, do you think the president, um, should, uh, reduce the sentences of people who've been unfairly in prison, by a weaponized, just wrongly convict. Yes, if the, are you, are you, would you approve or disapproval the president releasing people innocent people from prison like that? Yes, that is probably, yeah, that probably shows that he was going to give him a little boost.

Now, on the corruption thing, it is, I mean, the about a money Trump's made is truly unbelievable. And the thing that is makes it so much worse than it could possibly be and it's hard to imagine it could be worse than that is it's not like Trump just picked a bunch of smart stocks or even got inside information on, or inside access to some IPO that took off or even did some sweetheart real estate deals, which he was trying to say yesterday when asked about it, he was like, well,

everyone's profiting because the S&P is up. It's like, no, that's not what happened. Yeah, no, that's not exactly what happened there. In most of his money is not in the, he does do a lot of

Ponzi scheme run against his most loyal supporters. He took money, he, he, he weaponized their

“adoration for him and they're trust in him, got them to buy bogus crypto coins, essentially pull”

the rug out from underneath them and sold a chunk of the company to, uh, the, to an emirati fund, perhaps in exchange for selling America's most valuable technology to the emirates. The story about this in the times, uh, as you said, yeah, the, uh, the cryptocurrency coin created by world liberty financial has sunk to less than six cents, a more than 80% drop from its peak, generating enormous losses for investors who bought it at a higher price. And Trump made money on

all, it's not just the value of the coin, he also was making money off the sale of all the coins, as well. Yeah, just a total graft. I mean, what do you think about this? Like, it's, I, I mentioned the Republican Congress because, uh, you know, we're going to talk about this in a bit with the polls, but it's like, uh, yeah, people think that Trump is corrupt, uh, message delivered. And, uh, but we're not trying to beat Trump in the midterms. We are trying to, uh, beat the Republican

Congress. And these people could do something about it. They could be like, hey, the, the president is profiting off a Ponzi scheme while in office. There's all this kinds of corrupt dealings going on. There's all kinds of foreign entanglements, as you mentioned, and potentially foreign corruption, foreign influence that he's working on. Nothing. Yeah, I mean, Tom and I talked about this a

“little bit and only friends yesterday, but I think the, the corruption stuff is already, it's already”

priced into the baseline here. In two ways, one, people think Trump always believe Trump was

corrupt and so much of a form. And they also think most politicians are corrupt. Trump just dips his peak a little deeper than everyone else. But he, he is suffering from the full weight of all of these things. I mean, he's a privilege of 37%. Like, how much lower do we expect it to go? And is it just because of the corruption? No. Is there one more piece of corruption going to come out that's going to drive in the 32? No. But the way I think about all these things is they are all affordability

related. This is just all the shit he's doing that's not helping you. And that stuff hit different when prices were low and it hit, and it's much worse for Trump when prices are high. And so people do care, maybe not as much as we want them to care, but it does hurt him politically. It absolutely does. And we, and it's already seeing that in the polls. No, my, my point is that we got to get some of that stink on the Republican Congress. Yeah, I mean, they're, yes, yes, you see that in,

because you're right. Look, no, I, I completely agree with everything you said like we can't, like we, we did it. People know that he's a bad president. You look poll after poll after poll, like he is losing that argument, but he is also a lame duck president who is not on the ballot. Uh, this November. Yeah, and there's a question about whether that is putting the stink, we'll talk about this in the next section, whether that's putting the stink on the Republicans,

or taking the stink off the Democrats is the best route to doing that. Right. Plenty of or more likely combination of the two. Plenty of stink to go around should say that hiring also slowed to 57,000 jobs added last month. The jobs numbers came out way below expectations. And the last two months that they were celebrating, of course, uh, have been revised down. So, um, not a great economy, uh, unless you're Donald Trump, and you have a crypto scheme that you're

profiting enough of. Even though Wall Street Journal, by the way, just either is a Wall Street Journal editorial. No, I just, how did I miss this? About Donald Trump's corruption, which is notable, because I know you and Tommy talked about the New York Post, uh, did an editorial, uh, just criticizing Trump's corruption, and now Wall Street Journal. So, all the Murdoch properties, except for Fox, they even said Yousers, Yousers, the Washington, the Wall Street Journal said, uh, the main

difference between Hunter Biden's foreign dealings and the Trump projects is that the Trumps are brazenly open about theirs, but there will be political costs for Republicans. If Democrats take back the House or Senate, they will have a field day probing the Trump family deals. Chargers of GOP corruption will resound through 2028. This will feed the left's class warfare

“and narrative that billionaire oligarchs are getting rich off government. Will it feed that narrative?”

I wonder why, probably because it's a true narrative. Yes. Would it tell people what's happening? Yes, that's all that happened. Anyway, that's uh, that's from your liberal friends at the Wall Street Journal. So... Potsative America is brought you by quents when summer finally arrives. You don't want to spend precious time agonizing over what to wear. You want to have great comfortable clothes to wear in the

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Supreme Court's decision to affirm the right to citizenship that comes with being born in the United States as granted by the 14th Amendment to the Constitution after slavery was abolished more

than 150 years ago. The court struck down Trump's effort to end birth rights citizenship via

executive order, but the President's reaction to this was pretty mild compared to Trump allies like the Daily Wires Matt Walsh, who said that America's committing suicide and the fact that his children are having their birthright destroyed quote fills me with rage so deep I can't describe it. Sean Davis co-founder of the Federalist tweeted out some potential remedies that include denying entry to the U.S. to all female foreigners, all pregnant women, and requiring sterilization

“of all foreign visitors prior to entry. And you know who says he's looking into these ideas?”

Stephen Miller, who has been absolutely hysterical about this. He's saying cock-talking about national suicide, national self-obliteration, and quote a deep knife wound in the heart of the American Republic. All right, what do you make of the reaction? And specifically, what do you make of Stephen Miller and other White House officials considering this crackdown on pregnant women entering the country? Can't believe I'd say those words. And these people are just disgusting, opportunistic,

delusional ghouls. Like it is, it's so, it's just so stupid and it is so, like just think of the thing about this, right? In 2018, Republic, like there is some political in their, I'd try to like someone's try to put myself in their heads, pretend that they are quasi-rational political actors. Like I think Stephen Miller is doing this from a just purely sincere, deeply held racial

“animus. 100%. I think other people in the Maga world are looking at this, while they certainly”

share some of that racial animus, they are also looking this politically in their mind. I think Sean Davis and Matt Wallsher are absolutely genuine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. But I, you know, I think they look at this and say, we're getting killed on all the, on affordability, all these other issues. What is the one issue where Trump is not 20,000 leagues under water? And that is border security. And so, can we move the conversation back to border security?

Now, the flaw in this plan is that in 2018, when Republicans were getting ready to lose the midterms, they concocted a fake story about a caravan of MS-13 members marching to America. And the 20, 26 version of that is a bunch of pregnant tourists. It's just so fucking, it's, it's the, it's the grossest thing. Yeah, it's just so, it's just so, it's also so stupid. Like you really, it means it's so painfully dumb. And, and gross, it's all dumb and gross,

which I guess is kind of the theme of the entire area in which we're living, but the Center for Immigration Studies, which is the far-right immigration organization.

birth tourism, right? That, that people are coming here illegally, and then they're having kids,

“so they can be American citizens, and then, you know, I guess, then the whole country falls apart.”

But even they say that this is, they, they put birth tourism at roughly 20,000 cases a year.

There were, there were about 3.61 million births in the United States every year,

so that is well under 1%. And that number, the 20,000 is contested by just about everyone, because this is a right-wing organization, so people think it's far, far less, like a couple thousand. But even if you go by their arguments, it is like, it is just, again, much like their voter fraud shit, completely made up argument. It is, the danger, like, it seems absurd to us, the danger of it is you take the most egregious, outlandish, rarest, if possibly not

exists in example, and you use it to take down an entire system. Like, this is Ronald Reagan and the welfare queens all over again, where this is a way to try to undo birth rights citizenship, which as you and I talked about on YouTube after the hearing, you know, you have a potential Supreme Court majority or near majority at this point, who would suggest that that can be done statutorily. And so you had to understand the short-term political argument there.

The longer term thing is to try to make people think this is something that's really happening, when it's not actually happening. Yeah, and then the flip side of that from picking the,

most egregious example, is basically what John Roberts argued about the dissent in this case,

which was the dissent was like, well, the word domicile should mean where the parents have allegiance to. And if the parents were born in some other country and have allegiance to that country and owe something to that country, then, you know, then we shouldn't, then the child shouldn't be a U.S. citizen. And Roberts was like, okay, well, what about foreign nationals who are legal permanent residents in this country? And if you're a foreign national,

if you have dual citizenship or even if you just have a, you know, a, your legal permanent resident in this country and you're still a citizen of another country, you do have some allegiance to that other country and you are still to pay some taxes to that other countries. So now we're saying that all foreign-born people in this country who have children here,

“those children are American citizens and then at that point, who gets to decide who's a citizen?”

Trump, Trump gets to Trump and Steven Miller gets to decide who's a citizen. They get that power. The government gets to decide. That's the argument. And that is the, and I think that is the argument that most people in this country would not get behind that your citizenship is determined, not by your birth, not by where your parents are from, but by Donald Trump and Steven Miller. Yeah, that's right. All right. Let's talk about what's happening with the people who are trying

to bounce these jokers out of office on Tuesday, Colorado, held its primaries. And once again,

progressive candidates won the day in the first district, which is basically the heart of Metro

Denver, 29-year-old immigrant-turned lawyer, turned, insurgent DSA candidate, Milatt Kuros, be Diana DeGet, a 15-term incumbent by about 10 points. Kuros is a PhD student who lost her job at a prominent law firm in 2023 after refusing to take down an open letter. She wrote about what she saw as a crackdown on criticism of Israel. How did she manage to beat an entrenched incumbent,

“like Diana DeGet, in part because of exchanges like this from a debate in early June?”

And when we have that opportunity again, we have to pass Medicare for all the canceled momental that and break up big medicine to try that competition in the healthcare industry. If we do that, then whatever sick of fans fills the shoes of Donald Trump in the 232 presidential election, who tries to leave blame what are most vulnerable activities for a ring system. It's a ring hollow to the voters. Because as a party, we can point to what we have accomplished

in achieving healthcare for all and see this is what Democrats achieved for working people. This is how we deliver it. Pretty good. Very good. It's not just policy where Kuros has managed to draw our sharp distinction. Here's a question. She got in a local news interview a week ago about an ad she reposted from a super PAC supporting her. I believe that the ad also suggested that centrist Democrats suck shit as that review as well. Okay.

Just hearing him. Just hearing the interview we would say that was enjoyable. Because of the makeup of the district, Kuros is almost certainly to win the general election. And she has said she won't vote for her keen Jeffries for speaker if he takes corporate PAC money. In the primary for the state's eighth district, Northeast of Denver, progressive state representative Mani Routinel defeated a more moderate Democrat by 28 points. He will take on vulnerable

Republican Gabe Evans, one of the most vulnerable Republicans in the country, a big front line race.

out Senator Michael Bennett by about 12 points. Knowing you and Tommy talked about this on

Pots of America only friends, but what were your thoughts on Colorado and where it fits in with

“the New York results and what's to come. So I think the Kuros racing against to get fits very”

squarely in the narrative coming out of New York. We have a progressive in-surgent candidate running against a long entrenched Democratic establishment figure. And like in New York, the Democrat is not a moderate per se. But I mean, to get to remember the congressional progressive caucus. Now, more moderate than Kuros and maybe more moderate than some of the voters of the districts that come with Harris won by 56 points. And so this district, I know it's in Colorado

and so we think it would definitely. It is just about as Democratic as the three in New York.

Yeah, that's true. That's very important. Harris won one by more than 50 points and all of them. And you know, it speaks to the very real anger that exists within the party towards the Democratic establishment, the status quo, and the system. And we talk about what we talk,

“you know, in the New York, we talk about the New York races just last week. I think talked about”

the ways in which I was in anger and your manifests itself. And Kuros ran a great race. She won by double digits. And so that fits in that narrative. The other two races don't fit exactly in that narrative. What is true, the wise or Bennett race? Like I guess it is fair to say that Wiser is a progressive. But Bennett, but he's not that much more notably progressive than Bennett. And he is not an insurgent. He is the two-term attorney general of the state who

worked for Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. He where he what he did do was he did weaponize that anger against the establishment and one of the elements of it, which is Bennett's been in Washington for a couple decades now, almost two decades. He was appointed in 2009, I believe, to replace consoles are. And but he had attacked him for not fighting hard enough against Trump, be part of a establishment that let Trump win. And then ran on all the things that Wiser had

done as a very good attorney general, fighting back against Trump with lawsuits and other sorts of things. And so, but it's not, he's not remember the DSA. It's different. He also was someone with he as good of name ID and probably more like recent depth of knowledge relationship with the voters than Bennett. Because he's the attorney. He's a high-profile attorney general in the state. And Bennett's been in Washington. And then the Rootnell Shin and Bird Race is interesting and

“kind of speaks to how progressive candidates I think will win in these frontline districts if”

the running is. Rootnell did not run to the left. No, ran to the center. He ran to the center. He even didn't announce a zone for veganism. And he, but he did attack. Unlike Tela Rico, he really, he really was a vegan. Yes, he actually was a vegan. He was a pita activist in one of the top farm districts in the country and has walked away from that. And he sort of, he sort of walked away from Medicare for all also. Yes. And being a DSA member. But where he went after, which is I think

also interesting note. It was when I heard he went after Bird was on ice. Because Bird had a vote or two in the state legislator that was suggested. I think it was like cooperating. It was like state cooperating. Why is cooperation? Yes. Was it like she was endorsing ice or wearing like ice t-shirts. But that was a major issue in the race. And so these are all different. They do speak to the fact that you really don't want to be, particularly in the wiser and curious race.

You really don't want to be a long time democratic establishment figure. Like that. You're a

vulnerable in a way, but you've never been before. And that the the voter anger at the establishment.

And specifically the fact that the establishment has not done enough to improve the lives of working people in this country or enough to beat back Donald Trump and Republicans is probably at least what the primaries are telling us probably even more powerful than anger at Democrats for being too centrist or too moderate. Yes. Yes. I think the internet is race dependent, of course. But clearly in the in the Bennett race, in the root and ill race, in some of the other ones

we're seeing like that is a factor that is a factor that is uniting all of this all of this anti-establishment forever. The ideological thing is hard to parse because it's talked about one way by the pundits analyzing the race and I think it's viewed by voters in a different way. Yeah, like and I think a big issue in a lot of these races is obviously Israel and Gaza. Yes. And it's played itself in different ways. It was obviously a central part of Kyrus's race in her political identity

the issue where there's the greatest distance between the party establishment and the voter and particularly the Democratic primary voter and the most active Democratic primary voters.

“And I think that issue it's ideological what's also a litmus test of sorts in the sense that it”

says if you were unwilling to in the minds of the voters call what is what you would everyone is seeing with their eyes genocide or to react to it in the right way it says something about who you are and who you stand for and so like is it I think it's too easy to say that it's like just people want to say it's all about being more progressive than being not progressive and it's more complicated than being just like who's a fighter like you definitely want to be a

fighter like not being a fighter is bad like like they're on a lot of what they're on a lot of people waving the white flag we're winning these primaries or in elections in general but it

it's just I always find myself struggling with this because it's the conversation

is more complicated and dynamic than the terms in which we generally try to have the talk about it and sort of how votes about it because when people say moderate liberal progressive there's like an umbrella over all the issues and in reality it's issue by issue for different voters and in different parts of the country and in different races right because and these aren't moderates who are losing but the exception of goldman against lander and goldman is particularly not the issue

of goldman's most moderate was Israel but espiot not a moderate not a moderate not a moderate no but been there a while yes there's a generational element to this too coming attractions as you see AOC endorsed Abdul al-Sahad in Michigan so yeah there's the Michigan primary

“where obviously the Senate race is the marquee race I believe there's also like a house race”

there's well shorthand at our uh is a democratic congressman there who's facing a primary challenge there's a few more do you have any do you know the other yeah there's Debbie Wasserman Schultz oh yeah tell us again salasia manly and apparently Luther Campbell formerly of two live crew which I did not realize until ever the New York Times really of it yes then she is not she is running in a district that's not hers because it was redrawn so it's a little bit more like

the algreen and Julie Johnson losses earlier this cycle yeah Steven Lynch and Massachusetts Steven Lynch and Massachusetts and for every and Markey and Massachusetts John Larson and Connecticut Wesley Bell who beat Cory Bush two years ago this is that a generational one this is more of a moderate aggressive one but Cory Bush is now in he won in large part because of apex spending in that race he was at their candidate and so Cory Bush is now running for her seat again

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there in the morning you might as well wake up ready for them. Did you see Steve Bannon's comments in playbook this morning? A.I. Steve Bannon would have said that like I could have told you exactly

what that's going to be. He's basically said that Republicans ignore or mock the election of

DSA candidates and progressive candidates at their peril he said quote they campaign his anti-establishment very smartly they're not really even campaigning on Trump he gets a mention but they're very much like the tea party like old brightbart they're going against the democratic establishment the reason we have a problem is not trumpets the people that should be stopping Trump are actually

“co-opted by him it's very sophisticated and it clearly resonates. What do you think about that?”

I think I mean as I can overly fast-style self-serving I mean basically what he's saying is like how smart these people are they're doing exactly what I did 10 years ago 15 years ago and he's like a populist you know yeah that means sort of yeah well no I think I think with Bannon he's a populist in that in all the wrong ways in all the like xenophobic turboways

but he's also a genuine populist on economic stuff that his he's like always pushed Trump to actually

do populist economic shit and then Trump has never done it in two days. I think he genuinely believes that populism is the best politics yes so they're public and party I that I that I grow through which is why he has been so skeptical of big tech I mean he takes a lot of money from billionaires for a populist but but that he his argument was for a populist for magna to be a populist working class movement and he sees Democrats trying to do something similar

“and being willing to take on their own in order to do it so I think it's it's notable.”

On the subject of DSA momentum I don't know if you saw Axios had a report on Wednesday that Kamala Harris has quietly been reaching out to Zora and Mamdaani AOC and the leaders of the uncommitted movement indicating that she's making plans potentially for 2021 run and and perhaps another ideological reinvention what would you think about that so we are getting more and more evidence that Kamala Harris is seriously thinking about running if you'd ask me six months ago

I would have bet if you're about a money that she was not going to run but she keeps doing things that suggests she's at least seriously thinking about it. You and I have heard lots of rumors of her talking all kinds of different people in the party. I think if she is running and is being smart about it there is no path for her to the nomination that does not involve a massive pivot away from Biden's Israel and Gaza policy and so having some conversations about how you

would do that and how that would be received by people in the in the community particularly when she clearly did not engage with that community enough to fully understand the power of the issue in 2024 is what you would be doing will that work will she be able to pull it off that was going to be

“my next question how much of a credibility do you think she gets I think it would depend on how she”

delivers it and how she if she were to do it she cannot be she cannot head your word she cannot worry about Joe Biden's reaction to her words she cannot worry about whether she's going to anger people in the national security world or the Biden security team she has to do what you know what people around her were saying during the campaign was like this legitimate very real

empathy for the Palestinians and anger at these railways that she was never willing to say

the idea that you couldn't give one slot at the convention to a speaker who would talk about

yeah about what was going on in Gaza is a just seems so crazy now in hindsight so it had to be to put it off it would have to be just as I mean it had to be with a level of authenticity and visceral emotion and legitimate anger at what happened before and that you could not miss it but you can't you can't focus group it you can't have your words you can't

“read about your button I also think two other things you have to own some responsibility around that”

like 100% like it has to be like and not well I was vice president out so I wasn't supposed to say anything like a genuine like I was wrong right made a mistake or I came to this too late like yeah and I think that it had like she has to demonstrate that she actually cares about this and it's actually angered her and she's actually regretful for how it was handled and not that she's doing all the things she needs to do to check the boxes to become the democratic nominee that the

democratic electorate wants right now which is like always my concern about her you know it's like

I want to I want to know if Kamala Harris wants to run again why she wants to run again and why she wants to be president and you can already tell like since she since she lost since the campaign she's like trying out a little like well I'm sort of an outsider I've always been an outsider and it's like yeah there's anti-establishment fervor right now I'm going to jump on that train that looks good like and I'm not saying that this is exactly what she believes because I don't know

but it could very easily come across like that and my advice to her would be what you actually want to run for president what you really believe was really angering you about the last four years talk about that and if people you know if people believe that and people find that persuasive then you'll be the nominee and if not they won't but like you just don't don't look at the the democratic electorate as a I gotta get all the pieces together and this is what I

have to say and do and if I press all the right buttons then suddenly I'll get the nomination you know

“I just that's and I that's goes for any candidate for sure but I think she has a particular”

challenge there okay tell you something that I think's gonna you're gonna find perhaps very disturbing and potentially exciting if we follow by the the calendars of the previous cycles one year from

right about now will be the first democratic primary debate oh that's good no it's yeah usually

happens in the summer of the year priority election oh it's gonna be so bad I'm just telling you I feel like the the opening skirmishes will be with that attitude the opening skirmishes of the great democratic war of 2028 have already begun and so far they haven't been gone well I'm still like I mean we have we have just this this is like the the fucking tip of the iceberg it is gonna get so it's gonna make 2020 look like a fucking field day I don't I'm not sure about that I'm not sure

I'm not saying it's gonna be great I'm not saying it's gonna be great I think the they're obviously

“there have to be points of difference in discussion and debate and those will be painful because a lot of”

times people agree on so much that you really are slicing the slimy so thin to get to that difference I mean as it was with the Obama other than the Iraq War on all the issues with Obama and Clinton like we agreed on a lot of stuff and so like policy stuff like approach of politics was very different but on policy stuff you know you're fighting over the individual mandate was the main point of dispute um pointy on that one um yes and so we'll say it was what we want to talk about it's now you

have a plan to cash okay okay okay okay so we'll keep going we'll keep going uh speaking of the fall elections we are now just four months out um from these these midterm elections forget about the primary debates um and our America 250 gift and was a full round of times sienna senate polls that were released Wednesday morning which show Democrats effectively tied but definitely not ahead uh in the effort to flip Republican held senate seats in Alaska they have Mary Peltole just two

points behind Dan Sullivan you know higher share brown is down three to John Husted and Iowa Josh Turk is two behind Ashley Hinsen in their polls have made a Texas released over the last few days they have Graham Plattener up two points on Susan Collins and James Telereco and Ken Paxton tied the only clear leader is Democrat Roy Cooper and North Carolina they have him up seven on Michael Wattley um there were also new Fox News polls out this week that have Plattener down three to Susan

Collins and Turk up four on Hinsen and Iowa um any big picture thoughts before we get into some of the specific races these polls are a somewhat painful reality check yeah of just how tough the

main we have to win North Carolina we have to win two of Alaska Texas Iowa Ohio these are very Republican states Trump won those four by at least double digits when you look on the insides of the polls majorities in all those states in Democratic Party is two for the left this is

a group of people we think about how much you come up 53 percent 53 percent two for the left

eight percent two for the right 35 percent neither yeah not great you like we talk about how angry people are at Trump his approval rating in these states is all pretty good um like low 40s and most cases in the they Republicans lead the generic ballot in all these states by at least six points they want Republican troll of Senate by at least six points except in Maine except in Maine let's put Maine is a North Carolina yeah let's put yeah that's right we should talk about that because

“Roy Cooper's doing well but the generic ballot in North Carolina is also deplace six I believe”

which is crazy North Carolina is performing like a pretty democratic state in this environment yes deplace six they want Democrats control the Senate it is I mean we're people are talking a lot about great work group are doing he's doing great he's a great candidate but he's actually only overperforming the generic ballot by one point yes and a lot of these candidates in the more Republican states are overperforming the Democratic the the generic ballot by

three day three to eight points in some cases you know and so it's it's the point is we have a shot in all of these races and that is something that you could not have said six day months ago but that it is very hard and it's also other than in Texas Republicans have actually nominated fine candidates actually hints in junk use at our generic Republicans and

dance albums like a maybe a little bit worse than generic public and basically a generic

“Republican we have great candidates but is it going to be enough so this is what I was getting”

at a little earlier is my take my overall take on these these polls and again New York Times polls aren't perfect but they are as close to perfect as we have you know they were off again in 2024 but like again the purpose of a poll is not to nail the exact result you know that's that might sound shocking but it's true it gets you within the ballpark and in terms of within the ballpark no one does it better than New York Times just why we take

these seriously and and dig it on them so my take overall if you set all the candidates aside we have done a great job persuading people even people in red states that Donald Trump is

doing a terrible job as president I know you said like 43 it's 43 percent that's not a great

approval rating in red states like I would have you know that's that's pretty bad and I know now we're getting used to because some of these national polls have been like the high 30s we're getting used to that but like if for any 43's bat it's enough to lose right if he was running in those states we have not done a good job persuading people that the Republicans in Congress are the primary reason the Trump has been able to make their lives worse that's that's my my

larger takeaway because you would think that the Republican I mean and the generic ballot right like if you take the candidates out of it because people want to talk about like this candidates more strong stronger this one's weaker and if you take all the candidates out of it you just look at you know who do you want to control Congress yes that question the voters which they did the generic ballot is just very positive for Republicans and most of these red states even even as

“Donald Trump's approval rating in those same states is well under 50 percent and that's what I”

why do you think that is because people don't like Democrats like these all these candidates are doing great they are they are outperforming that partner well I want to I'll like all the candidates in the four red states yeah yeah okay let's do it we're a Cooper Plattener aside okay great we'll be talking about these for now yeah and I'd actually put Texas aside in a little bit here but in Alaska Iowa in Ohio yeah those are good model those are that's a good group for

the they are these are very Republican states in Iowa in Ohio the hardest part here is these where Trump has lost ground is mostly with younger voters and Latino voters and these are very white very old states you know they are whiteer than the the national average they are older than national average and so there's just less the voters who are leaving Trump and coming to our side just fewer of them and these it's a more static lecture Alaska's more

confusing Alaska's not actually a white state but it is not but is obviously has a very low Latino and black population as a native population which just is a little bit different Texas is interesting because Texas is a majority minority state and has a huge Latino vote which is why Tallahriko is tied in that race so I was surprised in Texas that the generic ballot is still Republican plus six if most of the gains are younger voters and Latino voters because Texas has plenty of

both of those yeah I mean it's it's it's it's six in the state that Trump won by

Trump won by at least 11 11 points right right

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weird different and we're not gonna nerd out on that but the upside is the Alaska result could

“be actually better than it appears here um Iowa and Ohio I think more fit the issue with”

it's just white voters everywhere but I do think what's notable is we have all of our candidates in those states like you said are outrunning the generic ballot so the Democrats are viewed the Democratic candidates are viewed as less extreme than the national party and they're more liked than the than average and the Republican candidates in those states though are also have a higher favorability rating than average so I do think in those three states especially um so it's

Dan Sullivan junk who's dead and um Ashley Henson who's also in Congress should not have Senator but she's a rep I think like there's a lot of you there's a lot of work to be done on pinning the last couple years of Donald Trump on those three incumbents who are in Washington we are in an anti-establishment anti incumbent mood those people have been voting for Trump voting for and helping Trump a hundred percent not stopping them so it feels like there's just a lot

of work to be done there is that would you agree yeah I would say that is it's tricky because what are you moving like in doing that are you like the question is interesting you're trying to find in those in those states in according to this polls there are a bunch of trump disapprovers don't like Donald Trump yeah who are nonetheless inclined to vote for a Republican candidate for

“Senate and I think those are the people that you you want to get yeah I agree with that the thing”

that is the the quite the generic ballot is interesting in this race in these races the question that's more interesting which it kind of lines up the generic ballot but is who do you want to control the Senate right and we're hoping to have a big advantage on that's it's basically akin to the generic ballot it's eleven in Alaska they didn't ask the generic ballot question in Alaska because really one number of Congress so they just asked about that race and then that's not I think

immediately transferable to the political environment because it's a known quantity right in nick baggage there but it you know that that is hard like they're going to make the race be about you vote a vote for Mary Paltolt as a vote to make Chuck Schumer and a bunch of

an MDSA people or whatever in charge of the Senate yeah and so you need a 11 you need 11 percent

of them to say no we will we'll take Mary Paltolt anyway like that's hard I think Ohio is how Ohio is indicative of the larger challenge here which is Sherrod Brown has a plus eight favor rating in a Trump state the Trump one by eleven a majority of Ohioans do not think that Sherrod Brown is too far the left a oh but although a majority of Ohioans think the Democratic party is too far the left if the goals to not be a typical Democrat Sherrod Brown is fucking nailed it

yep he is like he has a relationship with the voters they like him they think he's different than the Democrats they hate and he hasn't moderated his views on anything by the way we feel like he was just that our house doing a fundraiser a couple weeks ago and he sounds exactly the same as he has for the last several decades well now he's down for great thanks for telling everyone that but but what's interesting is if you compare the results of this poll to the exit poll of the

Ohio Senate race in 2024 he is doing exactly the same as he was in that race exact same his percentage

same and he's doing no better than Kamala Harris did essentially nationally with them but he's

“getting thirty six percent I don't know what do we do about that I mean it's this is this is”

why Ohio is such a hard fucking state now can he convince some like there are places where he can make gains he can make gains with black voters in this so you can check up black turnout he can do better with younger like there are places to get there but this is why he's down three and this is why these states are so hard because even though he is well liked he has not extreme people he is not getting more votes than he did four years ago two years ago that's a hard part

about running shared round two years later you're going to need some people who voted for Houston to either stay home or voted for Bernie Moray now over shared round to either change their vote or stay home and that's not that's not super easy he was the difference is and this is one of the reasons these poll sort of brought me back down to earth in a serious way is two years ago he was running in a presidential electorate where which is obviously going to be harder for a

Democrat in a state like Ohio I guess I assumed that a midterm electorate would be better for Democrats

than it is in these polls and I always thought that shared chance and I still do the shared

chance to win this time versus last time is the fact that he's just going to be running in a different electorate where there's fewer non-college educated white voters who turn out to vote in the midterm than there are in the presidential well the problem is Ohio is an older white non-college turnout state and those people voted a higher rate and his net cone point out and his analysis of the polls a lot of the voters who have left Trump don't vote in midterms right and the

end that is going to be more true in a state like Ohio which is just a flag that's interesting Ohio is just a state that because it seems crazy people have only been watching politics for the last couple of presidential elections but prior to that it was the election the state that decided the presidency and basically every election and it has been registered and organized within

an inch of its life and one reason why it was felt hard for Obama was we always felt like we

could do best in states that have large unregistered populations of potential Democrats North Carolina, Florida, Texas, that was a dream about tech and that was a dream about Texas over the years and Ohio just had there were no no no no votes to get yeah young people were leaving and so it is a it's a hard it's a hard state can he still wouldn't absolutely he can

“but it's I think it just speaks to how like why this is hard it's doable it's doable in all these”

states but these are are states and by the way it's why North Carolina and Texas are states that not just this cycle but many cycles into the future Democrats just have to win at some points because you don't run into the same older white voters and no new voters issue in those states because so many people have been moving to them over the last decade that we can be more diverse becoming younger and so on paper they should be states that Democrats have a better chance and then

places like Ohio and Iowa long term long term I am interested in why the generic ballot in North Carolina is so good well it is a thing about this white it's a state that trumped one by two points I think I think two points yeah it was very close he barely only wanted by less than a point in 2020 yeah and so if you think that the generic ballot is plus seven or eight nationally then you kind of get you to a plus sex yeah yeah and so there's and that's Roy Cooper there is just you

know he's just trucking through and not really getting any national attention and the race is kind of quiet and it's benefiting him that's it's probably a state where um getting attention is a bad thing well he doesn't need attention because he has high name ID and voters like him right right so he does not need to be doing TikTok dances and then before we get to Maine because Texas it's a sort of the opposite issue which is I do think in Texas obviously James Hillary goes a strong

candidate we talked about that a lot and there's been a shift in the ballot the generic ballot in Texas but I think it's fair to say that Ken Paxton as the candidate and his his problems and issues

“are our hurting him in these polls yes he people it's a little bit like uh Maine that's why”

that's why yeah it's absolutely hurting him what is interesting is I find this impossible to believe and it may be the fact where that ends linear political television advertising forever which is the Texas primary was the most expensive primary in history ungodly amounts of money were spent by John Corne and Corne and Super Paxne most of that money was spent by Corne and

side telling people about what a corrupt decade can Paxton is an only 38 percent of voters

to that report I'm hearing a lot about it and yet when you go to Maine most voters have heard about Graham Platner stuff nearly nine and ten voters have heard about Graham Platner stuff now part of this is Maine is a smaller state uh much smaller state and I think it's it

there as well for Platner but I think uh it does say something about the uh sort of the gap between when there's a right wing boogie man and a left wing boogie man yeah but it is it's the thing is is that there was the entire republican party infrastructure was spending hundreds of millions of dollars who tell people this about Ken Paxton and people still haven't heard it yeah so maybe they were doing it in the wrong way I think you're right I think it's TV stuff

it's like and online like we weren't talking about all of Ken Paxton's problems until it was you know time to vote but it just didn't it didn't break through in the last year the way that Graham Platner stuff broke through uh let's talk about Maine um so democratic party machineries getting behind Platner uh grudgeonly or otherwise uh the senate focus packed majority

forward is out with their first attack add-on Susan Collins let's take a look and then we'll

talk about the polling there 30 years live in the Washington DC lifestyle changes people getting rich from insider trading should be illegal but Susan Collins doesn't think so Susan Collins is trying to keep it so senators can get rich play in the stock market they're making millions of dollars while we can't even afford groceries and gas we need to tell Susan Collins to stop the congressional stock trading okay uh what do you think

of that add what do you think of that message and then um your take on the polling in Maine

“I want you to do an Oscar style music play me off the stage if you have to look at”

your flight because I honestly could talk about all of the out of these polls for five straight hours I could do a podcast on everyone of the polls I think I'm good I'm good I don't know how

LA access should make it okay all right just don't let me miss your flight uh because I will never

hear the end of it from your wife so um she will know now yes yes she will know um I don't think she listens to this podcast that's right but I want to my talking about yeah my wife my tell her that's right that is true um so the logic of that add because it's always like you look exactly like this ad socks or the message strategy that says bad then you remember they're very smart people with a ton of data that you and I don't have who make these decisions

so I imagine the strategy this ad is to say you have a lot of people who voted for Susan Collins in 2020 and in previous elections like Susan Collins overperformed she won by nine when Biden was winning Maine by almost nine so like a 17 18 point over fourth into this is studying that in 2008 she won by 23 points when Obama was winning Maine by 17 wow she's over performed by 40 points oh my god so you got a lot of people who voted for Susan Collins so one way to do that is

that you want to create a permission structure to them to say I did this thing before she's changed so that's the argument but if you look at the nearer times poll and it's one poll and that's a public poll that seems like a bad strategy because in this poll two thirds of voters think that Susan Collins has good character in morals so it seems hard you're going to convince even a lot of people of a grand plan or things Susan Collins is a good person and so it seems harder you're going to

convince them all the sudden that she is corrupt and it seems to me your better argument is you look at the fact that by a margin if I think 12 points and it's not time ahead Democrats people vote

people in Maine want the Democrats control the Senate and so there should never be an ad run

that is not Susan Collins standing in the overall office holding that mega hat yeah that's that's

“probably the more potent argument right yeah so mega hat also I think that's why in you see”

Platner was doing this in his primary night speech and elsewhere the Brett Kavanaugh vote feels like a potent attack on me because it is a place where she was basically you know I'm doing what Trump wants me to do and it's going to be fine and then it's not fine and that's probably an easier argument than oh this person that has that you think has brought home federal money to the state and has good characters actually a crook yeah in that in the poll in the poll 57% of

independence and the majority of all mayors which I believe is the appropriate term think that Susan Collins will be too supportive of Donald Trump yeah like that that it like there is a there is a world for the Platner campaign that existed a year ago with none of these revelations I think it's happened where it's like we are running a campaign to change American politics to reshape the coalitions this poll suggested those days are over although there are some places where

Platner is doing better than Sarah Gideon did which is why he's winning and she lost by nine points and also why comparing this poll to the 2020 polls of where Sarah Gideon was at this point is not a great idea since those polls were all wrong yeah that that drives me insane that you

“cannot even make home and say that poll was very very of course the what you can the best thing you”

compare it to is the 2020 exit polls because they actually exit pulled this race in 2020 and grand plan if you look at that grand plan there is doing exactly the one point better than Sarah Gideon did with white working class first which in Maine we're 98% of the voters are

in 2024 with white with working class white voters according to catalyst data where he is doing

better which is why he is winning and Sarah Gideon was losing by a lot is he's doing much better with young voters and he's doing better with men yeah the challenge the reason why he's not up by more is pretty simple Susan Collins is getting 10% of Kamala Harris voters although Platner to his credit is getting 4% older white women which is exactly what Ron Brownstein has been saying and said on this pod that his his biggest concern is like I know we all want it like I will stipulate

the grand platinum is being weighed down in some way shape or four by the things that have come out like that that is definitely true he is underperforming all these other Democrats are better over for the generic ballot he is underperforming it by eight points I think yeah because

“that's why it's eleven right it's eleven so nine points he's nine underperforming my”

nine points that is significant now the idea that we're going to be Susan Collins by

ten points or even five points I think is probably was canceled because there is definitely some grand plan or underperformments there is no question I am not just being in there is definitely Susan Collins overperformments too well yeah and also because his his approval is 4550 which isn't great but is not is not horrible right you can win at 45% approval which is just look at Donald Trump and hers is 4851 hers was much yeah I was less surprised actually I thought that his

favorability might be worse after everything and then I thought hers would but I thought hers would be worse 4851 this seems quite good if you're an incumbent in an anti incumbent wave and you've been there forever in yours old Susan Collins like that that's surprisingly there is this misreading of the polls where like they ask people not to compare platinum

“incolons on characters and morals they just ask them if have good characters or good”

moral subscribe to them so Susan Collins has his incredible numbers on

you know in the sixties on character and morals and platinum seems like his numbers are much lower but they're still in the mid 40s yeah so he's getting 48% of the vote so there's like four percent of people who are voting for who don't think platinum is still has great character morals and are voting for him anyway there are 18% of people in some cases who think the Susan Collins is a good person or voting against her anyway yeah I'll also say that both Susan Collins

and Graham Platner are more popular in this poll than Janet Mills yeah this is the this is the other takeaway like is it possible that like a john ball dot to you're a Hannah Pingree if they had run as a generic democrat would be doing better than Graham Platner probably maybe they're maybe even probably maybe even probably um they chose not to they chose not to then some cases were some of these cancer encourage not to by Chuck Schumer for some reports um but the idea that

this poll has a fair amount of evidence that Janet Mills would be doing worse than Graham Platner certainly not better than Graham Platner and the the bigger thing is not just sort of her favorite billiards that's somewhat dragged down by platinum people who don't like her the bigger issue is that eight more than eight and ten main voters think the main economy is bad I know those numbers and when the economy is the number one issue in the election she like she actually would

be someone who was being like it would be as much a referendum on her as opposed to referendum

“on the Trump economy and so that would be a very very tough order yeah no I think look um clearly”

the uh all of the revelations about Platner have heard him and um he has a lot of work to do I don't think anything in this poll shows that like what's happened is fatal I know I'm very concerned of other revelations come out yes yes yes for sure I do think if these because then some people argue well the Republicans haven't even spent all their money yet making sure they're everyone knows about everything that's come out already on that I would say like most of the voters in this poll

what 80% have heard about his problems in his issues so like I don't know that there's much more education to do um on that front I think what what their hope has to be is that there's more stuff coming out on the Republican side that they can they can use the thing that I worry more than the character and um care and stuff and the moral stuff is that Platner is seen as more extreme yeah Susan Collins yeah and and that's where I think that's the answer they

care are more could be more concerning yeah Susan Collins very much will do not think she's extreme right yeah and it's gonna be that's not pushing out an open door on that it is it's it's much easier to say like oh well she's just just look at the record she goes along with Trump and you don't like Trump there you go just a vote for Susan Collins is a vote for Donald Trump Senate it's a vote for Susan Collins is a vote to confirm another Trump Supreme Court of the vote for Susan Collins

is Trump Trump just it's like it's not that complicated it should just be everything and like do not overthink this people yeah like you did a bunch of people who want the Democrats control the Senate to vote for a grand planner that you do that you won't win yeah all right that's our show for today everyone have a happy fourth in a great holiday weekend Tommy and love it we'll be back

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